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[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood38 points39 points40 points 10 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Power is to be used with caution, and never to get ahead of oneself.
I think this is something that isn't talked about enough on TRP.
The amount of info and knowledge that I've gained from books like the 48 laws or stoicism is almost dangerous to myself. You want to go out and share or use all this massive information you've been given. It's like playing chess and seeing your opponents moves 5 steps ahead of him, but it's your own life and those around you. You forget, the people that wrote and taught you these lessons have done so through years of personal experience and exercise. They are masters of their teachings that are so well versed they can verbalize and articulate their life lessons for others. You haven't even got your toes wet yet.
It's like a nuclear engineer spending an hour teaching a kid about his job, then letting the kid loose in a nuclear power plant. It's a recipe for disaster if you don't manager yourself correctly.
TRP has a vast wealth of information to be had, just be mindful of your actual skill level and ability vs your knowledge and understanding. Typically the latter will far surpass the former. Throw a bit of ego into the mix and you'll find yourself quickly destroying your entire life.
[–]Fallio4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So are you recommending that people who are new to TRP and the skills that we learn here take "baby steps" when we are learning to use these tools rather than jumping straight into the deep end? I like what you said a lot and it makes sense. If you could explain it in a more practical way (like what people new to TRP can do to keep themselves in check) then that would be appreciated.
[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately TRP is to vast to generalize when to take it slow or when to go balls deep. Everything is contextual and situational. I could give you perfect advice that would work for you, but may throw someone else to the sharks.
My best advice is to stay humble, don't let this new found knowledge go to your head. Stay introspective to yourself and your abilities vs your knowledge. The more Machiavellian books you read, the more critical you need to be over yourself.
There isn't much risk in reading a book like No More Mr. Nice guy, What Ever Body Is Saying or The Charisma Myth. But if you are reading books like the 48 laws, those teachings will help you invaluably in all aspects of life, but they can also destroy you if used incorrectly.
Basically, the more power a book or teaching gives you, the more careful you need to be when using it. Law 38, Think as you like but Behave like others, is something that i have to remind myself quiet frequently of.
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The second best advice i can do is to fully understand the ramifications and consequences of your actions. Look at TRP like you would gambling or investing in the stock market. Accept every possible outcome and be ready to deal with the results of your actions. If you aren't ready to win big or lose big, don't make big plays. Stoicism is a great philosophy to study and learn when accepted all possible outcomes and outcome independence.
There was a post last week of a guy fucking up his college life because he decided to go out and cold approach like a 100 girls on his campus. Well word quickly got out and within the day campus posted a warning that there is a creepy ass guy harassing women and to watch out for him. He irreparably fucked up his life. Luckily he wasn't actually attending the college, just lived there. The lesson learned though, he didn't think ahead of the possible consequences of his actions. He didn't think of the ramifications nor understand social etiquacy enough to foresee this pitfall, and he lost big time.
Sun Tzu applies here, "Know yourself and know your enemy". In this context enemy is figurative for society, women, social dynamics, etc. Basically his skill far under performed his knowledge that TRP gave him. he thought he knew his enemy(he did to an extent), but he didn't know himself at all. He was using the same canned pickup on every girl, which hopefully speaks to most of you reading on how dumb that is. If that doesn't sound like a horrible idea to you, you need to read a lot more.
When you fuck anywhere in life, it always comes down to you not understanding all the dynamics at play. It's better to understand a lot and use a little than to understand a little and use it all. The ignorant walk blindly. The egotistical think they know everything, then get blindsided by a lack of understanding of themselves or their enemy.
You can dive into the deep end with TRP on some stuff, game can be one of them. Just make sure you know how deep the water is so you don't knock yourself out.
[–]The_48_Laws 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
With power plays in particular, I imagine you can picture how a beta with poor social skills could hurt himself more than help himself.
The good news is that since this sub is so focused on sexual strategy and women, we have a large number of "lab rats" at our disposal compared to someone who reads the 48 laws and then fails miserably at applying them to a more serious area of their life (career, family, etc.).
Many people miss out on the subtlety required to properly apply the knowledge inside of certain books that we champion in this forum. Many people also lack the creativity and balls to use the laws for themselves. These people may understand the situation at hand - they may even understand how to defend against it - but they'll never be able to truly play the game for themselves.
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[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Allegations of misogyny are best dealt with tenacity, as admitting that one despises women just as much as men, speaks of misanthropy instead
Haha i like that. I think Carlin had a similar joke.
"I'm not sexist, I hate you all equally."
Deadpan cynic is something that might fit me well.
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[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I've always found cynicism healthy in careful doses and keeps me grounded.
That's just being called a realist. If cynicism is the extreme end and optimism is the other extreme end, the realist is the one that tells them they are both fucking crazy.
The pessimist complains about the wind;
The optimist expects it to change;
The realist adjusts the sails.
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Or to have negative expectations. Things go bad, you expected it, things go well, then awesome!
It's how I approach any Hollywood movie these days...
[–]NeoreactionSafe16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The real benefit of stoic discipline is you become able to reprogram yourself.
This has just happened to me recently where I suddenly realized a certain strategy I had been employing which had trained my own emotions towards a certain outcome was not going to yield the results I wanted.
Rather than double down on the emotional pattern I realized I must reprogram myself to a new habit of behavior and that would require discipline to cut out certain things and add others.
Most people simply follow their emotions.
Whatever crazy mixed up Blue Pill mythology gets rammed into someone will become the emotional pattern they swear by.
Stoic discipline says:
"I am my own self reprogrammer."
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[–]NeoreactionSafe4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The self defeating thoughts are sometimes built on information that once made sense, but due to new information or a change in conditions no longer make sense.
Often people stick to what they think they know and try to continue in patterns of emotional behavior that worked in the past.
The stoic is reality obsessed.
So if reality has changed... if some external condition is different... you must adapt through reprogramming and create new emotional patterns.
It's like the girlfriend who you decide to "Next" once you realize she it complete shit and not worth your efforts to train (love) so you dump her and erase any emotional patterns associated with her.
Women gain power through male addiction.
Men gain freedom through stoic discipline in reprogramming.
[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Information that once made sense surely, but the very nature of a self-defeating thought calls for it to be ignored. And vehemently too
That's an extremely good point and was the basis of a post I was thinking about which would get into how the Beta who holds Blue Pill emotional patterns (which were rammed into him from the outside) tends to defend his abuse.
Blue Pill Abuses Beta ---> Beta Accepts Abuse ---> Beta then Defends Abuse
...so the stoic discipline breaks that chain.
The stoic reprograms himself based on objective reality to only hold emotions that make sense.
The Beta holds emotional patterns that were purposely rammed into him through the emotional indoctrination process of the Blue Pill that are Abusive towards his own life.
Kill the Beta means emotional reprogramming.
The central concept of Frame is that within yor ego boundry you hold no emotion that undermines it's positive state.
Frame means you literally kill any emotional pattern that is not to your benefit.
The Beta embraces emotional patterns that harm him.
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[–]recon_johnny0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's shit like this, presented like this, using phrases and contextual piece not generally found in regular conversation that make this a good place to come.
Whether I agree with your premises or no, I stop and think about what you say. I believe that to be a good thing.
[–]1StoicCrane3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The soul is dyed by the color of it's thoughts. -Marcus Aurelius
The fundamental aspect of Stoicism lies in reflecting on impermanence. All is rising and passing like the shifting clouds above. By being mindful of how temporal human experience genuinely is one may live an unfettered life free to pursue an existence of perceived value and virtue.
All is what your mind makes it out to be.
[–]ffFanatique2 points 10 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Somehow I doubt you've gone to the end of Meditations, as your advice is vastly different from MA's moral philosophy.
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