Bitterness on Theredpill

replyaccount · 2013-09-22T23:55:02+00:00

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Ididerus · 2013-09-23T00:05:39+00:00

Wouldn't you be bitter if your whole life you've struggled in vain to find meaningful companionship, while being taunted with images of the loving, caring wife who does not seem to exist.

Moreover, we are constantly reminded to be a good man by following flawed and self-deprecating advice. Told to "man up" when the going gets tough, falsely accused of rape and treated as second class citizen. Alluded to being a pedophile and a danger to society.

Instead of complaining that someone is bitter and calling them names, maybe you ought to find out why they are bitter. Or you can just go around agreeing with whatever feminists tell you and white-knight for them, whilst they laugh behind your back, sucker.

As far as trying to "find many girls, and have much sex with as many as possible", how is that a criticism? "Oh no, don't try and be successful, you're devaluing women". No, those women devalue themselves. It takes two to tango, remember.

iseeyou1312 · 2013-09-23T03:08:52+00:00

Search bitterness in the sidebar, this topic has been covered before - called "Possible answer to: why are there so many bitter TRPs?".

This post is pretty much concern trolling.

2013-09-22T23:39:35+00:00

I personally think there should be a r/theredpillfamily where we talk about how family should work with the red pill theory. We talk a little too much about spinning plates here and not enough about the idea of when should a couple marry if ever and when if ever should they start a family. I am a guy btw. I'm not op either.

2013-09-23T00:23:01+00:00

"How does this make us different from all the shallow, decadent girls who went around having sex with alphas during our youths??? It's like we all here look at their attitudes and see that they were wrong, and but many here then turn around and take the same attitude they did."

On the contrary, A LOT of people here don't see what these women do as wrong. Now I don't either but the difference is I don't claim to accept them for what they are AND love them at the same time. I also don't claim they're doing it to save the damn species for God's sake!!!

And yea, a lot of dudes, all they want is to have sex with as many girls as possible. They can't do this by being shallow like those women who slut it up for "alphas" are and that's where I disagree with you. It's the other "ladder theory" of dating - a man "has" to fuck fat/old/ugly chicks before moving up to bang higher quality women.

batfish55 · 2013-09-23T03:13:50+00:00

If everything you were told about society and how things are supposed to work turned out to be a big fat lie that left you heartbroken and wondering what you did wrong.....who wouldn't go bitter? Seriously. THAT'S the red pill: opening your eyes, questioning what you've been told, and realizing it's bullshit.

I recognize the contradiction: if women are wrong for sleeping around, why does TRP condone it? I don't know how to respond. Part of me wants to say something like "it's them or us", part of me wants to say "I'm a dude, I really like to fuck". But my track record shows that, yea, for a while I screwed around A LOT, until I found a girl I thought was worthwhile, and I got off my carosel. Then I got comfortable, got lazy with the alpha, and she split. If part of being alpha is being promiscuous and keeping worthwhile women around, well, do we really have any other choice?

peopleofthepine · 2013-09-23T01:04:23+00:00

It wasn't bitter for me because I had went through the bitter stage years ago. At first I thought I kept getting into abusive relationships or that they had some personality disorder.

Then I thought I was the problem and worked on being the best I could be.

Then I did the casual thing with as many plates as I could. That was the most fun since they all knew I had several directions I could go with my life and that I didn't want a relationship. They were open, honest and nice. They would tell me about other guys and I'd tell them about other girls.

After awhile I decided to really look for the classiest lady I could find. Marriage material. Found her and dated for a few years. It took longer to come out but it still did. I'm thinking abusive or personality disorder all over again.

Finally I believed that all women were like this and I went through the bitter stage. I started my research on this and after a year it led me to The Red Pill. At first what stuck out was the bitter subscribers. But as I learned, it all fit. It was a breath of fresh air, a new dawn. The nail in the coffin was when I tried it and it worked.

Now if I could just go back and beat this knowledge into my younger self I would. However, I can't. So I do the next best thing and try to help others avoid those dark and confusing times I went through.

euneaux · 2013-09-23T01:07:37+00:00

One more thing.

Not everybody is, or can be an Alpha leader. Society would collapse or fail if everyone was an "Alpha." On every team there is only space enough for one leader, and there is no dishonor being a follower on a winning team. Indeed that might actually be better than being a "leader" of a losing team. Furthermore, being the boss is an awful lot of responsibility and stress that's not for everyone. That's ok too.

2013-09-23T04:11:36+00:00

Part of the Red Pill is doing what is best for you and not giving a fuck about anything else. It doesn't mean you have to be an alpha who pumps and dumps every chick in his town, you can marry one good woman and be a beta provider IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. If you do, Red Pill will help you identify a woman who is LTR material, and keep your marriage and family intact with you as the leader.

Another part is that men are psychologically different from women due to evolutionary psychology - a man fucking a lot of women doesn't have the same psychological effect the reverse situation has. Double standards naturally offend our sense of fairness, but part of Red Pill is accepting facts that are not fair, but are true.

So I think that's what you're missing in your evaluation.

euneaux · 2013-09-23T01:04:33+00:00

The Red-Pill philosophy isn't a prescription about how to live life. It doesn't aspire to that.

It merely very accurately describes many aspects about life * Everybody's natural animal impulses and instincts * How social status is determined * How society evolved * How to negotiate inside all this

The Red-Pill philosophy regrettably isn't a recipe for the meaning of life and it doesn't give you the secret way to personal fulfillment and satisfaction.

I'm hoping to discuss these in more detail later, and working on an essay / inquiry on how to live and how to choose values to strive for once one has accepted the naturalistic reality that the Red-Pill philosophy implies.

One of the dangerous aspects that I recognize from my own experience is that I often crave the darkest anecdotes of the suffering of other men. This gives me a psychological cover, an excuse if you will, for not acting and deciding and working to realize my own goals. It works, because the more darkness and misery I read about, the better I am able to convince myself that people are so fundamentally broken and selfish that it's not even worth trying to associate with them to build and invest in something better. There are some things about this community that are dangerous, indeed a seductive darkness that encourages resignation and cynicism more than hope and life.

I'm trying to discover another path, one that accepts the tough skepticism that the Red-Pill reality implies, but also one in which hope and vitality propel me towards something more.

Hope to see all of your ideas about what values are driving you.

I don't want to denigrate either the pickup artist lifestyle and aspirations or the MGTOW path, but if scientific evolution is the programming that is so essential to the conclusions that Red-Pill philosophy reaches, there should be some role for actual fulfillment through family and reproduction. I may not find PUA or MGTOW as personally fulfilling or satisfying and I won't try to convince these folks to change their chosen path, but I hope there are some other fellows in this community who don't mind sharing what they are doing and in which other directions they are working.

2013-09-23T02:58:00+00:00

TRP attracts bitter men simply because it serves to help men who are beta and have problems with women. TRP in itself and the majority of the community are not bitter, the bitter people are just the new users who are still pissed about their last breakup IMO.

alfredosauce · 2013-09-23T04:56:23+00:00

You fucking concern troll. Red pill is about seeing what's really there. Then using what is there to better yourself. Reality isn't fair, pretty or nice. Any bitterness you'll find here is the result of peoples delusions dying.

VPAristotle · 2013-09-22T23:21:22+00:00

Yep. 60% of this subreddit is exactly that. Show me what women a dude goes for and I'll tell who the dude is.

Title	Bitterness on Theredpill
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Date	September 22, 2013 11:14 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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