Clarification regarding the idea that TRP men "enjoy" abusing/degrading women.

JP_Whoregan · 2014-07-27T00:05:02+00:00

TRP does not "enjoy degrading women". It is obvious to anyone who has read the sidebar that the TRP believes that women are, indeed, human beings just like men, and are therefore also fallible and capable of dishonesty, deception, and manipulation. Feminist society has trained us from birth that women are these fragile, special little snowflakes who are not capable of fault in any circumstance. Refer to /r/pussypass to confirm this. Women are often given absurdly light sentences for crimes that men get the book thrown at them for.

Basically speaking, when we talk about "maintaining frame", "passing shit tests", etc, what we're really saying is to have some damn self respect, and don't put up with shit from a woman just because she is a woman. See, that's the crux of the problem; women grow up in an insulated bubble of kid gloves and special treatment, and come to find out that they can get away with basically anything by the time they become adults.

They can slap a man in the face, kick him in the balls, rant and rave and embarrass him in public, insult him if he hits on her, say emasculating comments, break things, kick a BF/husband out of his own bed over a fight, refuse to learn how to cook because she's "empowered", and never get called out on her shit or suffer any consequence. And all because "oh, come on dude, she's a woman".

We call bullshit on this notion. They want all of the benefits of equality with none of the responsibility. The want to be able to slough off their femininity but expect men to remain "chivalrous". And when the rare instance occurs where a man comes along who doesn't conform to these bullshit constraints, she's titillated as all hell, because there must be something about this guy that allows him to deflect her bullshit, what is it about him that enables him to have a "no fucks given" attitude about my hot looks and sassy attitude?

This is a man demonstrating POWER. And EVERYBODY is attracted to POWER, men and women alike. As a man, would you rather hang out with bums or with a CEO? The bum will likely kiss your ass, complement you, be friendly, all in the hopes of getting something from you, but you will just find it pathetic and forced. The CEO might call you on your bullshit, your embellished stories, and playfully smirk at your wife, but you're still drinking champagne in the boardroom with a man you want to be like.

barmaleo · 2014-07-27T00:10:46+00:00

I'd disagree on treating them like children. It sounds degrading, but it is not anything like it sounds in real life. And it takes effort to do, at least for me.
In fact treating girls like children helped me a lot at work. 75% of personel there are women, from 18 to 50+. From reception to company moneymakers. I'm not their boss, I'm a support guy. If shit happens it would be me to go if boss had to choose. When I joined the company it was hell sometimes becuse of bitching, arguing, little snowflake demands etc. To make things worse whenever I put my foot down in some cases my dep. boss would play a nice guy and destroy my work.
What I learned from RP and personal experience and also what I think "treating girl like chils" is:
1. stfu
2. do not argue
3. ignore bitching
4. ignore crazy demands
5. never show emotions
6. be playful 7. be somewhat an asshole
8. don't ask - tell, then offer choices
9. never get offended

There's nothing degrading about it. Nothing. In fact same list can be applied to men and in its own way it will work too. Except you don't want do be playful with men probaly. Also, there's no disrespect, no harrasment, no sexism. Because there's no need for it. As a result, my colleagues go around complaining that someone's a bitch, someone's this and that and I get all the good things and see those girls in a different light because they treat me differently. What's important, is that I do get the same amount of shit as the other guys, but when girls see it doesn't work they calm down their mood and behaviour gets better. So while guys complain, I somewhat fancy all the girls in the office and think that they are quite alright.
What's interesting, the only other guy who treats girls in a same way is the boss of the company. He's an old guy, former athlete, who made a great career and one of the few people that I regard as an alfa.

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[deleted] · 2014-07-26T23:45:44+00:00

Anyone who reads TRP long enough comes to the realization that a big part of this community is focused on giving women what they actually want from a man. It's the reason why TRP is so successful for guys. TRP isn't forcing women to be anything they don't want to be, it simply gives them what they respond positively to.

We have men that have fixed their marriages, and guys who want strategies on having successful long term relationships, not just dudes wanting to have sex. (Not that anything is wrong with that in this day and age! Feminists would agree with this.) Even MGTOWs consider themselves redpillers and they aren't taking adanvatage of women. They simply don't want anything to do with women at all.

TRP is more open ended than people think and the discussion ultimately leads to conclusive, effective ideologies about gender dynamics. Take the anger of the men here with a grain of salt. They will get over it. Remember, even expert feminists will admit that first wave feminism was brought about by the anger of women towards men.

Learning TRP is just like learning any other social skill and the perspective that comes from having it. It can be used for good or evil and everyone interprets it differently. TRP isn't absolute and there certainly holes in the beliefs of both the individuals and the theory; however, it is effective in what it seeks to do: lead men to happiness through self improvement and possibly increase their sexual and romantic success.

That's all we want. We want to be happy. There are many paths towards happiness, and for many of us here taking the red pill is the best path we've found so far.

HurricanSam · 2014-07-27T04:12:59+00:00

This sounds a lot like putting the blame for your behaviour onto others rather than yourself.

Saying that "women enjoy it" and then enforcing that behaviour by disregarding ("nexting") women who don't respond to it just amplifies the problem of not being able to treat women like adults.

Social interactions should be fluid and flexible, not based on some ridiculous rules that you follow to the T.

SmellyJelly22 · 2014-07-27T02:49:25+00:00

Here is the thing: women like dominant men. Men like being dominant over women. Period. If done right, it causes happiness and good times for both parties.

But ... a lot of men (even RedPillers) abuse that dominance and use their power to abuse, degrade, humiliate, control, insult, etc... They get jealous, angry, arrogant, etc... Most women who consider themselves "feminists" have either been in a relationship like that or their studies have taught them to focus on those kinds of relationships.

So good dominance is good and bad dominance is bad. And yes, some RedPillers have bad dominance in mind. We shouldn't try to sugar coat the movement and act like every single RedPiller is a pillar of virtue. They're not. Each side has shitheads. Let's try to do a better job than feminists of weeding out our shitheads.

Title	Clarification regarding the idea that TRP men "enjoy" abusing/degrading women.
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Date	July 26, 2014 10:48 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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