Thank you for the positive feedback on my previous post. Since I've gotten a few requests to elaborate and provide more examples, I will do so here.

Let's start by reviewing some of my personal stats. When I first started out with Tinder, I logged my bangs in a spreadsheet. I know it sounds creepy, and maybe it is, but for data-minded people like myself it helps to know what's working and what isn't. A few interesting figures regarding my first twenty dating app lays:

-Age range of girls: 18-29

-Average age of girls: ~22: Younger girls just want to hook up and have fun. They don't "date." To them, casual fucking = dating.

-50% messaged me first (this includes Bumble): Girls don't usually message first. When they do, it's a good sign. Escalate quickly.

-25% suggested meeting before I did: The takeaway here is that no matter how interested she is, you still need to escalate to logistics and actually meeting up. The onus is on the man to make sex happen.

-25% were girls that I picked up while traveling: It's a lot easier to get laid while traveling. You're more valuable just by virtue of the fact that you're a limited time offer. Plus, it's a guarantee that no one in her social circle will ever find out.

-20% were girls traveling in my city: Same as above.

-25% were girls that I Superliked (for Tinder): Superlikes work. However, it all depends on how she perceives you. Superlikes work best on girls that are at or slightly below your own SMV. Superliking an HB9 is a waste. As Rollo says, a compliment from a Beta is worthless, but a compliment from a (perceived) Alpha is like being handed a hundred dollar bill, so use them wisely. The extra Superlikes are the main reason I pay for Tinder Plus.

-75% I met the same day that we matched

-19/20 were first date lays

The last two stats belie the reality that you need to move quickly. This is true whether you're looking for a direct-to-home lay or to meet out somewhere. Whoever coined the phrase "you snooze you lose" probably lost a lot of lays.

Hookups vs. Dating

For the purposes of this post, I will define a hookup as meeting at the location where sex will happen, whether that's a home or a hotel room. This would also include picking her up in your car and driving back to your place. It's a direct-to-home lay. A date is defined as meeting at a neutral location, even if it's brief. This includes a drink, a walk in the park, etc.

With dating, you will have more opportunities, but a lower bang rate. With hooking up, you will have fewer opportunities, but a higher (virtually 100%) bang rate.

The main con about a "date" is that girls will meet you for reasons that have nothing to do with sex (boredom, attention, looking for a Beta Bucks). Anyone who claims a 1:1 date-bang ratio is full of shit, because no one bats 1000.

The hookup method is obviously very polarizing. You're forcing her to make a decision: do you want to fuck me, or not? Most of the time, the answer is going to be no. But for the girl that does invite you over, she's already made up her mind to bang you. You pretty much can't lose.

The one downside about a straight hookup is that you're likely to be ghosted afterward. Direct-to-home communicates to her that you're a fuck boy, so she better not get emotionally invested. Later in life, you'll be one of those lays that "didn't count" because it was "meaningless."

Let me be crystal clear: not every girl is going to be down for you to come straight to her place and fuck her. The method that you choose is a value judgement.

Hookup Method

I already covered this in my previous post, but it suffices to say that you need to move quickly...as in, you match at 6 PM and you're at her place by 9. Don't dither. If she's terse, it generally means that she wants you to get to the point already. Took me a long time to figure this out, but it's been smooth sailing once I recognized the obvious signals. Here's another example. As you can see, it's pretty much the same conversation as the one I provided in my prior post.

Start time 9 PM

Her: Hey

Me: Whaddup

Her: idk just chilling

Me: Looking for some company?

Her: Oh fuck yeah

Me: Got wine?

Her: I could

Me: What part of [city] are you in?

Her: [Area]

Me: Nice I'm already there

Her: I'm in [different area] now but I can head out...

Me: Do it

Her: You coming over to mine?

Me: Yeah when will you be back

her: Give me 20 min. [her address], bring wine.

Me: Aight see you

End time 9:40 PM

The medium is the message here. As you can see, there's no hesitancy. This girl wanted my D (for real, clothes came off within minutes of my arrival). Getting a hookup shouldn't be like pulling teeth. If there's too much hesitancy, then terminate the interaction.

The Date Method

The principles aren't much different. You still need to move quickly. Whenever I see some guy on askTRP start off his post with "I've been talking to this girl on Tinder for a few days..." I already know he's totally lost. You should be talking date logistics within 24 hours of matching. If the conversation is taking much longer than that, then she probably isn't very interested.

Make sure the date is set no more than 72 hours in advance, or she's likely to flake. Ideally it's the same night that you match, but of course that isn't always possible. If you can't set up the date within 72 hours, then get her number and text her closer to when you're available. The idea is to keep things as spontaneous as possible.

As far as the conversation goes, you want to keep things light. Don't be weird or lewd. Here's an example of that from own experience.

Her: Fun fact is during the French and Indian war supposedly the British used cannon balls to soften their bread when it went stale

Me: Wow those crafty Brits, I like that. Unfortunately your own bio is a little over my head haha

Her: Haha it’s a computer science thing, most people seem to be confused about that

Me: I used to have “economists do it with models” in my bio, I thought that was pretty clever but not many people seemed to get it. You study comp sci?

Her: Haha I like that! And yes I do

Me: Oh cool, so where are you from?

Her: I’m from [location], you?

Me: [State] native here. How are you liking [city]?

Her: Word, where in [state]? [city] has been great, I haven’t done anything too crazy lately though since school has been pretty intense lately

Me: I grew up in [town] and live in [city] now. All work and no play huh? You should take a study break and get a drink with me sometime

Her: I’d be down.

Me: Great to hear, we can figure something out. What’s your number?

Her: Sounds good to me – it’s (XXX) XXX-XXXX

As you can see, she opened with line based on my profile (it had something to do with fun facts). It would have been inappropriate at this point for me to respond with "Need some company?" like my other examples. The tone is much different than the hookup playbook. You have to read the room, or at least do your best based on her pictures and the overall vibe of her messaging/profile.

I used some very light innuendo (economists do it with models) and also asked a few innocuous questions. Then I quickly pivoted toward meeting up. This whole exchange took place over the course of an hour. I texted her the next day (Wed) for logistics only and set up the date for Friday. We met for a drink, went back to my place, and banged. She became a regular plate/FB for a few months.

Your Mileage May Vary

If there's one basic truism about tactics in general, it's that YMMV. Whenever I do Tinder posts, I always get comments like "This is wrong, I do XYZ and that works 95% of the time."

And you know what? Great. I mean that with all sincerity. If messaging her with some cutesy shit and then asking her out for a coffee works for you, then don't let me stop you. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But daytime dates aren't my style, and I don't really have time to think of a cute pickup line if I get 10-20 hot matches a day (forgive the flex).

A lot, I think, depends on the vibes that you give off in your profile. A fast escalation works better if you have an exciting profile and a shirtless picture, for obvious reasons. If you have pictures with your grandma and look like a happy nice guy, then you're communicating something totally different.

Frequent Comments

You must be Chad/Top 1%: I can assure you that I am not. I started off getting no matches at all. Literally zero. You won't see me in a Calvin Klein ad, that I can tell you.

That said, yes, of course I'm handsome. Yes, I'm in good enough shape to go shirtless, although I'm not particularly lean/shredded. Yes, I have good pictures...I worked hard on my profile.

What separates me from everyone else is that I understand the game. While other guys are dither, I take quick and decisive action. That's why I get laid, and an actual Chad doesn't. As someone wisely wrote on my prior article, your perception of the barrier to entry is much higher than reality.

You must be fucking land whales: I don't message anyone with >20-25% body fat. I'm not picky about race, but I do require nice clear skin and low body fat at minimum. Don't fuck girls with gross piercings/hair/tattoos or any political/feminist crap in their profiles. I'd say most of my bangs are around HB6-7 with the occasional 8 (okay, there's been a few in there that I'm not too proud of...what can I say)

Profile tips? This has already been discussed by other guys on this sub. You can easily search that out yourself. Look up mallardcove's guides. And please don't DM me asking for help.

You should be vetting these girls: Thanks for the tip, mom. I suppose it's possible that I get robbed or whatever by one of the many college chicks that I've nailed, but that worries me about as much as dying in a plane crash (read: not at all).

Girls that invite guys over for sex are trashy: And? What's your point? At this stage of my life, I'd much rather bang the hot fun stripper than the low n-count nerdy chick (ask me how I know...).