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Foreign Woman & Pre-nump = Fail

ss_camaro
October 19, 2013
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[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro[S] 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Simps & prenumps:

I forgot the icing on the cake. I had a prenuptial agreement. The judge (female judge, what a coincidence) threw it out. While I had her "boyfriend" try to testify about 3 times, on my side. One time the judge said she had a doctor appointment and had to leave in the early afternoon. So it's over, you all have to leave without testifying. I had 3 witnesses, 2 of them out of state who made 4 hour long trips. My lawyer said, can this guy testify for like 5 minutes, and you be done with it, so we don't have to subpoena him out of state again? The answer was "no". The contempt is incredible.

[–]3trplurker0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

he mentions later that how the prenump is signed is whats important. The most common mistake is the woman doesnt have a lawyer prior to signing it.

[–]alt3031334 points35 points36 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"You know what happens, whether you chose somebody from eastern Europe or Philippines or any other non-man hating culture, they very quickly learn how they game is played here and adapt and become just like the locals. This was the part that I totally miscalculated. So the immigrants become totally different from the culture where they came from. Takes about 5 years" AWALT

[–]replyaccount6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Anyone still deluding themselves into thinking marriage is a good idea should go watch Intolerable Cruelty right now.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Watched it last night. The typical fairy tale Hollywood ending killed what could have been a valuable takeaway for male viewers.

[–]replyaccount0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree the ending kind of ruined it, but there are still many lessons that can be learned from it.

[–]theVet23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This pisses me off beyond belief. My mother pulled the same shit on my dad when she wanted a divorce. Everything was fair game to her, lying to the police, the court, the neighbors, friends of the family and she was even trying to manipulate us kids into telling the court he hit us. Some women are just pure fucking filth who will treat you not just as if you weren't human but as your mortal enemy. It has been fifteen years and she still tries to fire shots at my dad who after ending up with nothing after the divorce did his best to build himself up again and still put whatever little money he could make that didn't end up in her pocket on us kids.

I can't comprehend how ANYONE can be such a vile, wrong and hateful person even YEARS later.

Watch your back men cause nobody else will.

[–]rodStewart9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Weird question but does your mom know that you see everything this way? If so has that shamed her at all?

[–]theVet4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah us kids told her when we were older and cut off all contact with her.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well sad to say but women will only understand they've done something wrong when they get hit directly in the feels.

Women are emotional creatures and ruled by their emotions. The only way they'll realize frivorce is wrong is when their kids grow up and never want to speak to them again. Sadly this does not happen nearly enough because the mother has years and years to brainwash the kids against the father, week after week with maybe a couple hours of visitation just enough so they can see the guy and remember his face but not enough to undo all her badmouthing during the week.

[–]Endorsed Contributor3030303030303013 points14 points15 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah we praise eastern european or asian girls here but they are no different. Women are the same everywhere, they just begin on different level of cuntiness and entitlement, depending on how widely feminism spread locally. Roosh begins his Polish venture from banging a polish girl pulled off with her boyfriend at the club, same night. Same whore as anywhere else.

If you are beta woman will take full advantage of you because she will push as hard as you allow her.

[–]Trumpstah13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God dammit that hurt to read. Utterly disgusting

[–]McDoogleSnatch 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These stories scare the shit out of me. When it comes to men and the courts, it can easily become this Kafka-esque nightmare.

[–]Costafarian9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

This shit makes me sad. I want to have a family one day, but it seems more and more stories like this just keep popping up all over the place.

At first I was told foreign women are better. Now if you bring them here, they turn against you and rip out your balls through your wallet? WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!!

Not to mention I would have to LEAVE MY OWN FUCKING COUNTRY just to have a somewhat stable marriage with a somewhat decent woman. And even that seems like a 50/50 chance now!

The only good thing I can get out of this, is this quote. Which I can say to people when they question whether I hate women or not:

"I don't hate women. I don't hate snakes, either. I just realize that they are dangerous and don't want one in my house. Same with women."

[–]CurveballSI12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I will be using that quote as well. It's fucking genius and pretty much spot on with my beliefs.

Marriage isn't worth it anymore. People ask me all the time, "Aren't you afraid of dying alone?" Which is bullshit. We're both going to die alone. Difference is I get to die with all my shit while you'll die with half of yours. Fuck that.

Men WANTING/SEEKING a LTR/Marriage: Do yourself a fucking favor and go do something with your life. Not just a hobby, do something that takes up vast amounts of time. Like working. Starting up your own business. Do something you can be proud of.

Because at the end of the day, if the only accomplishment you feel truly proud of in life is, "Hey, this chick likes me so much she let me buy her an expensive ring and a house," then what the fuck have you really accomplished?

The sooner these pussies stop fawning and worshipping the idea of a "loving wife" and all that bullshit, the sooner women will step in line and give men in general the modicum of fucking respect we deserve.

[–]mo_dingo7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Remember, these stories are from men who got fucked by women, women whom these men chose. They were blind to their true nature. They didn't swallow the redpill before they got into the relationship, nor did they assert a redpill lifestyle from the beginning of the relationship.

These are stories of bitter, jaded men, who chose the worse women and got fucked.

There is a lesson to be learned here though. If you do marry & have kids, you need to closely examine the woman and her family.

Warning signs:

1) Her parents are divorced

2) She is not vehemently opposed to frivolous divorce (or doesn't intensely fear divorce)

3) She is highly motivated (aka career woman)

4) She is dominant in any way

5) Her brothers and sisters have created broken homes

6) She is of a liberal/democratic mindset, or cares about politics too much (Unless her politics are strongly towards a family first attitude)

7) She doesn't acknowledge specific gender roles

8) Most importantly, she doesn't see it as her wifely duty to give you sexual pleasure whenever you need it.

8 is critical. It shows so much about a woman's perspective in life. Is she willing to set aside her needs in order to please her man? If the answer is no, forget it.

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/interviewing-a-prospective-wife-part-ii/

The above link is crucial, IMO. Memorize all of these questions and ask them on first dates. My favorite technique is to ask them to tell you a time when a certain thing happened to them, and how they handled it.

e.g. Tell me about a time when one of your previous boyfriends wanted to have sex but you didn't feel like it.

It will be harder for her to lie, she will naturally come up with an example from her past and see this as her M.O. throughout your entire relationship. Do you find her behavior acceptable?

[–]test_ost6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They didn't swallow the redpill before they got into the relationship

None of that will save you if you get married, have kids, or live together.

There are plenty of cases where the woman doesn't pursue anything but the state does.

And if you're a man with a busy life, you're betting your "conditioning" of her for a very small part of the time against society's conditioning which is active 24-7. Including other, nasty women who will be constantly buzzing in her ear.

1) Never, EVER let them live with you, so this can't happen:

First thing that she did was file a false Protective Order. This is Maryland and the county gives them out like candy during Halloween. I was shocked to discover that when you a file a PO, you need no evidence, no witnesses, no photos, nothing. You can put any unsubstantiated, even absurd claim on paper and they the Law will come to your residence, usually after 10:30PM and give you 10 minutes to get your stuff.

You don't need to be married OR have kids for this to apply. "Our" legal residence is actually HER legal residence. That's the law. Doesn't matter who pays for it.

And lest people think this story is an exception:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/06/rotating-polyandry-and-its-enforcers-part-2/

A man comes home one day to find his house empty. On the table is a note from his wife saying she has taken the children to live with her sister or parents or boyfriend, or to a “battered women’s shelter.” Soon after comes a knock on the door. He is summoned to appear [at] a family court within a few hours. In a hearing that lasts a few minutes his children are legally removed from his care . . . and he is ordered to stay away from them most or all of the time. He is also ordered to begin making child support payments, an order is entered to garnish his wages, and his name is placed on a federal government data­base for monitoring “delinquents.” If he tries to see his children outside the authorized time, or fails to make the payments, he can be arrested. Without being permitted to speak, he is told the hearing is over.

The man may be accused of domestic violence or child sexual abuse, in which case there may be no hearing at all . . . but the police will simply come to the door and order him to leave his home within hours, or minutes, even if no evidence has been presented against him. . . . The man may also be ordered to pay alimony and the fees of lawyers he has not hired and threatened with arrest if he refuses or is unable. . . . If he refuses to hire a lawyer he will be ordered to pay his spouse’s lawyer. Either way, he will pay $50,000–$150,000 and possibly much more. . . . If he refuses to answer questions or pay he can be jailed without a trial. . . . If he objects, he can be ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation.

The book is from 2007, and you know how long it takes government to do anything new; the incredible efficiency of family courts in perpetrating grand larceny against men means that there have been a vast number of guinea pigs, in order for the process to have become so streamlined. That means THIS IS COMMON.

All it takes is for her to get mad ONCE and set the wheels in motion. Once you're in the grinder, it doesn't stop regardless of if she changes her mind.

Mandatory child support varies by state. For example, New York and Wisconsin are among 17 states that calculate it as follows:

The percentage of income formula is used in about 17 jurisdictions. The amount of the child support obligation is calculated based on the income of the noncustodial parent, using a percentage based on the same considerations as in income shares. The award amount for one child is 17% of noncustodial parent gross income, 25% for two children, 29% for three children, 31% for four children, and 34% for five or more children.

http://futureofchildren.org/publications/journals/article/index.xml?journalid=63&articleid=412&sectionid=2811

TRP had a story not too long ago about a guy in med school who was desperate and started dating this post-wall chick, might have been a single mom. She "accidentally" got pregnant by him and now 17% of his gross income will go to her for the next 18 years. (Sometimes FICA is excluded.) While he's working to pay off his student loans. Oh yeah, and he's not a doctor yet, so whatever his scraping-by used to be, it's about to be 17% LESS.

It doesn't matter what arrangement you make with the mother, the state won't honor it. There were stories on here or /r/mensrights about guys who paid child support, but years later the state came after them because if it wasn't paid through the official program then it didn't count. So you are suddenly in violation and YEARS in arrears on support you actually paid, but LEGALLY didn't, and have to pay it again. Or go to jail. Even though you already paid. That all counts as a "gift" and doesn't fulfill the legal obligation.

There is no way to RedPill yourself into the clear by trying to "game" them. It only takes ONE INCIDENT for them to file something official and then you're sucked into the belly of the beast. You can be perfect for 17 years, get sick, she feels you're weak, files something official, and now you owe 17 years in arrears. OR she might just be upset that the gravy train is coming to an end, and file before the 18 years runs out to get it again. So then you end up supporting her to bribe her not to turn you into the system. But that doesn't relieve you of the legal obligation should it ever come to the attention of the state.

That's why I said if you want your own biological kids, the only way to legally protect yourself is to get an anonymous egg donor and a separate surrogate and be the ONLY parent. Get a nanny but don't let your girlfriend ever adopt.

Being the only CUSTODIAL parent doesn't even free you from child support obligations:

John Cryer has to pay $8,000 a month to his ex-wife for CHILD SUPPORT even though HE has custody.

Why? So when the kid visits her one day a month, she isn't in an alley.

It's not alimony because she got remarried -- she lost custody of kids she had with her new AND old husbands for being an unfit parent.

Why isn't SHE ordered to pay support and thrown in jail for not doing it? Pussy pass.

Also, I wouldn't put it past the courts to grant some kind of rights to egg donors or surrogate mothers. After all, they're women.

And even if that doesn't happen, or you adopt, and have sole custody -- hello, CPS!

You are automatically a creep for being a man with a kid.

From the first link again:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/06/rotating-polyandry-and-its-enforcers-part-2/

At his “trial,” he will be interrogated about the most intimate details of his family life.

And no answer is correct. If he works long hours, he is a careerist who ne­glects his children. If he cares for his children, he is failing to earn as much income for them as he might. If he disciplines his children, he is controlling or even abusive. If he does not, he is neglectful. If he does not bathe them, he is neglecting them. If he does, he may be molesting them.

So you would pretty much have to raise them in another country as well.

Any man in close proximity to any child is suspected of being a pederast. Even in full public view on an airplane:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuagans/2012/08/14/who-can-sit-next-to-children-on-flights/

Add that to parks, libraries, schools, lost children, children wandering in the road, and everywhere else.

You essentially HAVE to have a woman with you in order to be near a child. It's pretty devious, like a jobs program for vaginas. The point of our species is raising children and women have made sure that even if we don't need them for that, they've manipulated the situation into automatic make-work and a paycheck just for their presence.

[–]mo_dingo0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

your post is full of examples, examples that show the power of the state and that of women.

but again, you overlook the entire picture. many states are not as bad as others. I live in Arizona, I can have all the guns I could ever want, also the child support system is tame compared to other states. I know of multiple fathers who continue to not pay child support and not face any legal consequences.

secondly, your assumption about these women in these examples does not apply to all women. if you choose correctly, if your radar is highly tuned to feminist bullshit, you can avoid all of these traps. there are women out there that would be completely ashamed if they ever got divorced. They marry once, and never marry again.

the way to do this is to stop looking at women with your dick, and use your mind. conservative, submissive, supplicant and very feminine women do exist.

I have made the example before, there are plenty of Hispanic women who follow this tradition. it is ingrained in their psyche, at birth and continues throughout the entire adolescence. they ignore all their friends, because they see the destructive that these women bring upon themselves.

the government sucks, it will always suck and will not get any better. In fact it will always get worse. so you can do one of two things, you can live your life, despite the government or you can cry in a hole and never find love, children or the beauty that is having a loving family.

the choice is yours, I leave it to everyone to decide for themselves.

[–]test_ost4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the way to do this is to stop looking at women with your dick, and use your mind.

That's a great way to find women that your dick isn't interested in.

In which case, what are they doing for you?

Sure, it's probably a safer bet to marry a 50 year old librarian with cats. She won't divorce you, because she lacks options.

if you choose correctly, if your radar is highly tuned to feminist bullshit, you can avoid all of these traps.

You're making a choice in the present, but the consequences of marriage or children will affect the rest of your life.

You can't even control how YOU will feel about her, a year from now. You really think you can control how SHE feels about YOU?

I have made the example before, there are plenty of Hispanic women who follow this tradition.

Only when they don't have options. Latinas below the poverty line, with multiple children at a young age, and "mom" bodies are in one type of environment. Contrast that with Latinas who come from wealthier backgrounds, especially when they date men who are of a different ethnicity.

Women with options make use of their options. Just like men.

or you can cry in a hole and never find love

Women do not love the way that men do.

They also act like they're in love even when they've decided to dump you, right up until they do.

A man can think they love him, but that's him projecting.

So let's leave "love" out of it; the important part is how she treats you, and what your options are if she stops treating you the way you like.

children or the beauty that is having a loving family.

Sure... for a while. It doesn't last.

What happens when YOU stop being attracted to her? Or you're still attracted, but you start being attracted to other women more...

It's not something you consciously decide. You can choose not to act on it (and inevitably feel like you are missing something), but you can't choose not to feel it.

I live in Arizona, I can have all the guns I could ever want, also the child support system is tame compared to other states.

Keep in mind that child support is determined by the location of the custodial parent, not who's paying. If she has custody and moves to another state, that state will have jurisdiction over the children who reside in it.

Same reason companies go venue-shopping when they want to sue; file an action in a state with laws that favor them, or one that creates a hardship on the defendant due to travel distance.

Even if they stay in AZ, you're banking on the state not changing its child support polices to be worse for men for the next 20 years.

submissive, supplicant

Also keep in mind that a woman who is submissive is vulnerable to dominant game GENERALLY. The same tactics that worked for you will also work for another guy.

Unless you lock her in a basement 24-7, she'll go to parties or bars or clubs or weddings or other venues at some point, where there's alcohol and predatory men.

The more submissive a woman is, the harder it is for her to say NO. Remember, she is accustomed not to deciding what she wants and sticking to her guns, but to doing what a dominant male is directing her to do.

If girls were that hard to get, guys would never get them. Luckily, they are responsive to quite a wide range of men.

the choice is yours, I leave it to everyone to decide for themselves.

You can definitely CHOOSE TO MARRY a woman.

What you cannot CHOOSE is to stay attracted, and neither can she.

[–]vaker0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't ask these questions on a first date. But you should definitely find out the answers before any kind of LTR.

[–]mo_dingo1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I ask some of these questions on first dates, because I am looking for a long term relationship that leads to marriage. I'm not going to waste my time with women who don't fit into my plans for the future.

you can ask some subtle questions that help filter, but eventually you have to get down to the nitty gritty.

don't fear their reaction, if they're hostile, it's probably a great sign that they are not ltr material.

[–]TRP Vanguardss_camaro[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage: Not Even Once.

[–]no_game_player0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey now, not all snakes are like that.

[–]vaker-4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think if you want a decent, traditional marriage you need to move outside of westernized societies. I'm pretty familiar with Central/Eastern Europe and it gets worse there every year too.

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I was talking to a good friend of mine on the phone the other day, me and him don't take shit from people (women especially) and "understand the game" better than 99% of the other men in society. He was saying to me how basically men like me and him are the few men left who have a opportunity to try and keep things going and try and actually reproduce rather than drop out, or otherwise, in his opinion in like 50-100 years humanity will be so fucked. Feminist bullshit will be more extreme, more globalised, logic will be even less common, and absurdity/chaos will just push humanity to the brink despite it's current technological progress (his words.)

My words: We're always developing in technology but post world war 2 the world has regressed socially via the destruction of the family unit and the feminisation of man. Humanity is really doomed if it continues on this trajectory of giving preference to feelings over facts.

[–]vaker0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It certainly looks that way.

My hope is that civilization/evolution works in oscillations. On historical timescales the pendulum swings back pretty much every time when things go to an extreme and become unsustainable.

I think western-style, gynocratic societies are doomed. Something else will come and sweep them away when there are no more (real) men left to protect and sustain them.

The daughters of these women may end up wearing a burqa or something.

[–]UnpluggedMaestro0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a reason why civilizations fall. Like Rome, like Babylonian Empire, like the Western colonies, like Genghis' kingdom. Maybe all of them had different reasons, but they were all "corrected" one way or another.

[–]no_game_player-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

doomed if it continues on this trajectory of giving preference to feelings over facts.

So on a concern troll tangent, what's your opinion then of the group in this sub that consider civility vitally important? Is this not a preference for feelings over facts? Or is putting feelings on par with facts okay?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

consider civility vitally important

Civility is soft manipulation/diplomacy and a result of a society where enough people have their basic needs met and thus are not in a state of savagery. It's important for human progress, without basic needs we don't go forwards, we stagnate or go backwards, back to a time where fighting and pillaging is commonplace because everybody needs to eat, watch how quickly humans revert to violence and cunning once their basic needs are not met, they become animalistic, our social fabric hangs by a thin thread as the "haves" push the inequality gap between themselves and the "have nots." Those gated communities will get mobbed and looted quicker than you can say "quantitative easing."

Is this not a preference for feelings over facts?

No it isn't.

Or is putting feelings on par with facts okay?

No, feelings are too easily manipulated, hormones, your diet, the weather, your fitness level etc. Logic is in a state of constance because of it's third person objectivity. Feelings can fuel logic, they're not completely separate, there is and can be a cohesive relationship between emotions and logic, however with the gender differences we often see the conflictual element of it, a man trying to apply logic to a woman's actions which are inherently emotionally driven. Facts themselves aren't so valuable as the decision making process behind a rational mind. Facts are the building blocks of logic, you can't have logic without being factual, to reduce logic to mere facts is to discredit it's actual utility and how it manifests.

The people who hate logic the most, generally, are the ones who suck at wielding it, they hate what they don't understand because it scares them. Plus with women, they really are addicted to emotions and drama, logic basically starves them of that so they'll say shit like "fuck logic" "can you stop trying to be smart for once and just listen to what I have to say!" and blah blah "being smart for once" means "being rational and reasonable." It's this predisposition and preference for emotive thinking and reasoning that makes women (and some men) absolutely fucking crazy, these people don't even understand themselves, they have no grounding.

[–]no_game_player1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wait a sec, let me see if I'm understanding your position on the part I'm interested in correctly: you advocate logic/facts over feelings but you also consider civility vitally important. Is that fair to say?

It's a somewhat surprising position to me because I consider the requirement for civility in online discourse closely tied to a preference for feelings being given at least equal importance, which you explicitly reject.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh you mean civility in online discourse. I was talking about civility in the macro, as in, you walk down the road and people don't attack you or try to rob you for your possessions.

I consider the requirement for civility in online discourse closely tied to a preference for feelings being given at least equal importance

I'm an advocate of tough love, I'll say mean shit if it logically gets your attention and invigorates you to act (check my post history), hence a disregard for one's sensibilities. The invigoration element here is an example of what I mean about emotions and logic working in tandem. I don't really care about offending people who don't have power over me.

Read this: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-19-know-who-youre-dealing-with-do.html

Addendum: Ego is also emotional and it plays a big part in any discussion online or otherwise, sometimes people are too egotistically restricted to drop a compliment, that's the inverse of civility for the sake of making someone feel good, it's being incapable of acknowledging someone's talent because it would make you feel uncomfortable to do so.

[–]no_game_player0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, sorry I didn't make that clear. Yeah, I was trying to sound out your opinion about civility in TRP because I was annoyed with some who considered it critical here.

Yes, I agree that IRL a basic level of "don't have fights breaking out" is quite critical.

I'm an advocate of tough love, I'll say mean shit if it logically gets your attention and invigorates you to act (check my post history), hence a disregard for one's sensibilities.

Yes, I've seen you around here; thus why I asked you. ;-)

Thanks for your perspective. Good to know there's a little bit of sanity left here.

FWIW, I hope you continue to refuse to put being real above being inoffensive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Our grandfathers ran up Normandy beach against a black wind of machine gun bullets, and today's men don't even question complete enslavement. Disgusting.

[–]Thai_Hammer0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to start self-harming now

Don't you think you're taking this a little too seriously? If these are really major problems that men face in current society, why aren't you doing more activism or pushing more legislation that would improve society?

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[–]Savun1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

umm

[–]DrMungMung2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4YJHvzo2io

[–]keyboard_mash5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This guy was against vaccinating his kid; sorry, I don't think he's gonna be a fit parent from that.

[–]frequentlywrong8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No she was against but told the case worker or whoever that he was against.

[–]LordGud14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Actually ex was also against vaccines, like me", but she made it look like he was the only one against in the court I guess.

[–]PostGradWarrior0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's stories like these that make think I will be better off with low T. If my sex drive disappears, I'm completely fine with it. Until then I'm going to game. I don't think anything other than a STR is worth it, eventually I'm sure I will just decide that's not even worth the effort. That and I live in a small town where I sometimes go a month or more without seeing a new woman I want to have sex with.

[–]TRP VanguardYouDislikeMyOpinion0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How short of an STR are you talking about?

[–]PostGradWarrior0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No more than 3 months.

Just to clarify I meant anything other than an STR in terms of relationships, ONS are fine.

[–]lono120 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What picture is that in the preview

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