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[–]NeoreactionSafe7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
The core of the Red Pill emerges from the sidebar book The Manipulated Man.
Be sure to read that.
You seem kind of blind to the core idea here.
The way to "Kill the Beta" is to realize the criminal nature of women.
What you are focused on "too much" is trying to please what you know women desire which is an Alpha male.
But most Alpha males are psychopaths with excellent Game.
Just realize there is an entirely different dimension to the Red Pill you might be missing.
See the crimes... then figure out your sexual strategy to make you have a positive masculine identity.
Don't chase after celebrity... I still sense you are after that.
[–]natetheproducer-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
"Don't chase after celebrity... I still sense you are after that."
That's a very interesting point I think your on to something there.
It's also true that I probably give women a little more credit than others here. I think I've seen enough supportive wives in shitty situations to give me hope that there are good ones out there. The majority are the way this sub describes them but I still hold on to nawalt.
[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Oh boy you do sound like you are going to be in deep trouble.
Still wanting to be a "big guy" and willing to work hard to gain the perception, but no knowledge of Game which is the true Alpha signifier.
Plus you are open to Unicorn worship, so after years of struggle to become a Beta Bucks some girl is going to ride you hard then Divorce Rape you hard up the ass.
You better read The Manipulated Man now.
Maybe read it twice... just so it sinks in....
[–]natetheproducer-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn't call it unicorn worship. I'm open to the possibility of a healthy and supportive marriage though. I figure it's a slim chance but still.
[–]NeoreactionSafe2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
All I'm saying is you are mentally setting yourself up for being raped.
Divorce Rape.
[–]natetheproducer-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Going through this sub you'd think that 100% of marriages end in divorce. Have you guys never met a healthy couple before?
[–]NeoreactionSafe2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Something like 25% of the population is married.
50% end in divorce in five years.
Both of my brothers ended up divorced because the women bascally "lost feelz" after a decade of marriage.
Both paid child support, but didn't have to pay alimony.
[–]natetheproducer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I think the majority of divorces happen within the first five years anyway. I know a bunch of happy old couples but could that just be because the culture was different back then?
[–]NeoreactionSafe2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The successful marriage usually is because the husband is Red Pill aware.
He Games his wife every day.
[–]natetheproducer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Lmao I honestly don't know what to think anymore. It's either cultural or biological. These dudes that are 60-70 years can't all be "gaming" their wives. I encounter a lot of middle aged to older couples at work and a lot of the husbands are definitely not red pilled. They're just genuinely nice to each other and not trying to manipulate each other. I think it's less biological and more cultural than people in this sub think. Young women today are a nightmare but I think they were pretty chill back in the day and I think a lot of their husbands would be considered beta today. Maybe if I get burned by a girl really badly I'll change my views but I haven't let that happen yet.
[–]NeoreactionSafe3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
All I know is my father (who died when I was 14) and later my stepfather (20 years later) were both skilled at Game manipulation.
The stepfather died too... my mother never was divorced. She's in her 80's now.
In the old days the beta male was more rare.
As time when forward (I'm 56) the percentage of beta (slave thinking, Game unaware) men increased.
But the heavy shift towards the Blue Pill mythology began after 1900.
Think of masculinity as slowly being manipulated out of existence by the Globalist Tyranny who desire to consolidate power.
It's Dumbing Down.
Honestly it's funny I even have to explain it.
The control system is so effective it's scary.
If you have five hours
https://youtu.be/LlCMRB0IWgA
Burning Man is fake.
[–]natetheproducer0 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't have time now but I'll check it and watch it in small chunks when I can. Thanks for not coming at me like some of the others. I realize I didn't provide too much advice or insight, I wanted to write a vulnerable post and see what the general reaction was. If anybody wants a fight with me in real life or on the internet I almost always give it to them but women are making guys on this sub wayyyyyyy too angry. If people here can't handle me saying I'm going work harder and accomplish what I say I'm going to accomplish then I'm going to stop lurking here. There's no way to verify that what people post here about their plates and submissive wives is true. Yet every single "I fuck 4 girls a week and they do what I say" gets eaten up as instant truth. I hang out with a lot of those guys and none of them are on reddit. I'm the only one out of like 15 guys that browses reddit and knows what red pill even is and I get less girls than all of them. This sub is full of larpers.
And the secret is that the Red Pill is supposed to awaken you to manipulation itself.
Women are the "training wheels" where you discover that the entire system is corrupt with crimes occuring everywhere.
Once you understand Game (manipulation) then you are able to "see".
Like Jesus we "make the blind see".
[–]Triadis3 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link
Keep talking about what you're going to do is really the first step.
Fuck.
Shut up and get to work.
Until then it's just talk. Write it in your diary.
Nobody here cares what you're "going to do".
Acta non Verba.
[+]natetheproducer-7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
"Keep talking about what you're going to do is really the first step."
? That sentence doesn't make sense.
And you act as if I'm stroking my own ego with this post or something. Frankly this is embarrassing for me to share it's nothing I feel good about. I understand talking and acting are two mutually exclusive things, it's not really a profound concept. I wrote this post to force honesty in myself. A few weeks ago I couldn't say this shit to myself let alone the internet. I honestly don't understand why you're offended by this.
[–]Triadis3 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The first sentence was SARCASM, bud.
I'm offended because this adds no value, has nothing redeeming.
What would you think of me writing a post over on the personal finance sub about how I'm finally planning on becoming a billionaire?
I'm not there yet, and haven't really started my journey because, well, I thought I was ok financially, but I really really mean it guys, I'm gonna become a billionaire, just you wait and see!!!
Save it. Talk is cheap. Post when you become a fucking bazillionaire, how you did it, the changes, whatever.
Anything else is just self-serving lip service. Not red pill at all.
[–]natetheproducer-5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
"I'm offended because this adds no value, has nothing redeeming."
That really offended you? Lol Looking at your comment history it clearly doesn't take much to offend you.
After briefly looking through your comment history all I can say wow.... I feel bad for your wife and I feel bad for you. Truly. No self respecting women would agree to that kind of marriage. You're married to someone you don't care about, what's the point? She took you back because you mind fucked her, the same way prostitutes come running back to their pimps.
You're not red pill your angry and controlling. Fucking plates isn't enough for you, you want a timid and scared wife back at home because she feeds your power complex.
Why on earth would I take advice from you?
[–]TheDivinePenis 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This guy's a fedora, man. He doesn't understand positivity haha, this much is obvious. This sub likes edgelords like this who think mean = alpha. Let it go. He's totally right in that work is what it's about though, probably!!
[–]natetheproducer-3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And then he dragged me right into his negativity too. Your right I should let it go. Positivity is something I need to work on apparently.
[–]Triadis3 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You guys should meet up so you can braid your tampon strings together! BFF!
There. That was positive.
Sweetness and unicorns and ponies!!! Thats what becoming a man is ALL about.
[–]derailluer2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Op, I hope there's a burn unit in your hospital.
Grow up.
[–]Triadis3 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're Absolutely right...someone like you should not take advice from someone like me.
I'm insanely happy, I take whatever the hell I want out of life, fuck my wife any way I want (she's submissive, not a doormat - BIG difference, i.e. she'd rip your balls off in a heartbeat ..but you absolutely wouldn't understand that), fuck other women with her blessing, have fuck you money, am in the best shape of my life at 47, and am killing it in all aspects of my life.
Since this sub has helped me, maybe, just maybe I'm trying to help others. I'm sorry if my rough language hurt your little feelings.
You're obviously more content jerking yourself off on the internet.
Good luck with all that.
Look bud. Nothing on this website really offends me. It simply doesn't matter. Just like your post. If you want to go digging through my history, have at it. I am absolutely unapologetic in all I do. You should try it.
[+]natetheproducer-6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmfao you're wife is a the textbook definition of a doormat.
The fuck you money explains a lot actually.
Who's jerking themselves off? Lmao 😂😂😂
YOU ARE!!! You just bragged for an entire paragraph and then said I'M the one who's jerking myself off in the internet lmao. Then you said nothing on this site really offends you lol Jesus Christ dude. You say you're insanely happy and have money but you bash people on reddit 😆🤣😂 you are a living contradiction. I can see how my post about self honesty and delusion hit a sore spot with you. You are a lunatic and your wife is a victim. Whether you making shit up or not you're a narcissist either way.
I work with dementia patients at a hospital and trust me when I say that when people like you get sick, their friends and family bail on them. And more often than not it's people with a lot of money. If anything happens to your health when your older you will die alone. Your "wife" left you after that motorcycle accident and she'll damn sure leave your ass again the minute you get Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, cancer, dementia or whatever it is that will inevitably kill you. And when your crying alone in your hospital room, the psych tech aka me will be the last person you have to talk to. I'll tolerate your horrible attitude in your altered state cuz it's my job and then you'll eventually die alone. You are sacrificing relationships for a certain lifestyle and you are gonna regret it soooo much one fateful day.
[–]simagule5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
You don't need to preach from the hill tops that your going to change. Stop trying to win brownie points. This is not the new cool club for you to join. Words are cheap, speak through your actions.
[–]natetheproducer-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I didn't need to preach from the hill tops but I did it anyway. I'm hoping other people in similar situations can find some inspiration from this post.
Brownie points? What? What are even talking about? The new cool club? You don't know me well enough to make those accusations.
[–]simagule4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Inspiration to do what? Write aload about what they are going to do differently going forwards.
You wanted to start being brutally honest for with your self. Yet at the first chance for that to happen you get all defensive and start to bitch.
You are right i don't know you, but i can see enough from your post and your reply that most of what you wrote is empty words.
I am prepared to be wrong. But i don't think you are prepared to put the work in and speak through your actions.
[–]natetheproducer-3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
At the first chance? Lmao You made multiple assumption about me and then insulted my motives that you supposedly know and you call that an opportunity for improvement? 😂
Who got defensive first? It was actually you buddy. I defended myself cuz you were wrong about me. You can see that what I wrote was empty words? Some people on this seem to think if you are going to do something you can't talk about it. Like this post is somehow evidence that I don't actually mean what I said. Like this is me pretending to make a change whilst I actually do nothing.
A lot of times assumptions are a form of projection.
[–]simagule4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Give an update in 6 months - 1 year
[–]natetheproducer-3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Dude I could give you an update next week and just make shit up. Wouldn't prove anything. The only person who benefits/suffers from my actions is me. When I finally accomplish what I want the last thing I'll do is brag about it on the internet.
[–]wiredtobeweird1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You couldn't even stop yourself from bragging about what you are going to do....
[–]natetheproducer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"Well I'm ready to join the club now. I'm ready to hit the gym with real conviction and pursue my goals with real ambition. I'm ready to try and fail and try and fail until I finally fucking get what I want. Now when a girl rejects me I'm not gonna blame her for it I'm just gonna analyze myself and make improvements."
You really call that bragging?
[–]wiredtobeweird2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. It's mental masturbation at its finest.
[–]Thy_Nomad1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"The last thing I'll do is brag about it on the Internet"
Weren't you just telling us about how you were going to get your life together and what you were gonna do and how it was gonna be great? Aren't you already sucking your own dick over this?
Also, there can be many other people suffer from your actions. You're not the only one in the world bud.
[–]natetheproducer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get my life together? Tell you how it was gonna be great? Lmao don't put words in my mouth. I started the post saying I was loser and you think I'm sucking my own dick?
[–]DentyneWhite 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I love the couldn't have done it without you guys
Bro, you haven't done anything but waste my time
[–]Cool_Mob 1 points1 points1 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ree. And he got defensive like a triggered cunt on period.
[–]natetheproducer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
When I get attacked I get defensive. Should I take the insult instead?
Stop responding to everything that hurts your ego and maybe people will lay off a bit.
Well if I wanted people to lay off then that's what I would do. I'm responding to insults and accusations in a defensive manner and I've responded to the one piece of constructive criticism in a positive manner.
[–]TheDivinePenis 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think this should be on the sidebar. I actually, really think this should be on the sidebar.
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Filed under "How to talk about doing things that are cool"?
[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
All feelings, no work.
Yup, pure Soy
[–]natetheproducer-3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
No work? Why do so many people here think they have me figured out? You guys really love your assumptions don't you?
I also specifically said that there's no room for feelings in this game and you reply with "all feelings." People on this sub are salty as shit.
[–]Rian_Stone2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
I'm in my mid twenties now and things haven't changed for me like I thought they would. Still no girlfriend. I haven't progressed in my musical interests like I thought I would. I have a decent job but it's not a long term option and certainly not a career. I feel like I've just been in limbo my whole life. No mans land. Things haven't been great but they haven't been terrible either and that has lulled me into a dangerous complacency. It made me mentally and emotionally weak. It also made me arrogant and delusional. I used my social surroundings as validation while ignoring the internal shitstorm that's been brewing inside of me. I'm a beta who can blend into the alpha crowd when I need to and it tricked me into thinking I wasn't a beta.
I read what you wrote.
I've seen these before. It's a pep talk, you're convincing yourself that you're gonna do it this time. Like an alcoholic, who promises never to drink again, or a girl who promises she won't jump on a random dick again.
It clearly hit home, you've instantly gone on ego defense mode from 7 words that broke your frame.
I'm not shitting on you for fun, you need to shed you're stupid ego, he's not your friend.
Don't lie to yourself, don't be me.
It's the only true statement in your whole post.
Well I'm ready to join the club now. I'm ready to hit the gym with real conviction and pursue my goals with real ambition. I'm ready to try and fail and try and fail until I finally fucking get what I want. Now when a girl rejects me I'm not gonna blame her for it I'm just gonna analyze myself and make improvements.
And since I'm already beating a dead horse. There's a reason New years resolutions don't work. Turns out the body gives dopamene in accordance with achieving goals. It also turns out that talking about a goal gives the same response as actually doing the goal. By sitting here and preaching about you being better serves the purpose of ensuring that you will never do any of what you bullshitted yourself about.
What any normal man understand, is that you have 0 chance of achieving any of what you wrote, because we've seen it so many times before.
Best thing for you to do, stop talking and thinking about shit, go buy a gym membership and go in there for 6 months... never tell anyone. Even if you're fucking around, you'll be in there.
Then post about what you've done, not about what you're going to do
[–]natetheproducer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Defending myself when people attack me is not breaking frame. Insulting a random poster cuz the content was too "soft" for you is breaking frame. I don't take shit from people unlike a lot of other posters who delete their post after the first insult.
"You need to shed your stupid ego."
That's what I said in the post dude I recognize that. Should I bend over and take it when people make assumptions about me? Is that red pill?
"By sitting here and preaching about you being better serves the purpose of ensuring that you will never do any of what you bullshitted yourself about."
How could know such a thing. It doesn't ensure anything? Are you suggesting that not one single successful person in history has said they were going to before they did it? When Conor Mcgregor said he would be a world champion before he fought a single professional fight was he "breaking frame?" Did he ensure in that moment that he would never accomplish his goals? That's what you're saying. That is a huge sweeping generalization and you're stating it likes its fact.
"Best thing for you to do, stop talking and thinking about shit, go buy a gym membership and go in there for 6 months... never tell anyone. Even if you're fucking around, you'll be in there."
Do you even know me? Lmao you have no idea what I've done in my life. I have hit the gym without telling a soul and for longer than six months.
I was so skinny my bench started at 85 fucking pounds and I brought that shit up to 170 without telling a damn soul. I didn't make a single redpill post bragging about what I had accomplished and I was extremely proud of myself. I felt like I had conquered the world just getting my bench up to 170. And I did it all with arthritis from when I broke my sternum in highschool. It was agonizing some days but I pushed through.
Then I had double jaw surgery, had my mouth wired shut for over a month, lost all the weight I had gained and went back at it and gained it back again. I didn't write some arrogant post about that either cuz it was simply something that I had to do. I didn't consider myself some work ethic master because of it.
The comments here have been very eye opening for me.
For one, a lot of people on this sub think that they have everybody figured out. You guys definitely think you've got me figured out and assume that I'm weak because I didn't brag about my accomplishments in my post.
Second, a lot of people on this sub have a superiority complex. I started my post saying I'm a loser and you guys just pounced at the first smell of blood. Not even constructive criticism just people telling me to shut up and that I wasted their time and that I'll never accomplish what I set out to accomplish. Then when I defend myself I get accused of "going on ego defense mode."
Your goddamn right I'm gonna defend myself. When someone attacks me for zero reason and acts like they know me I will defend myself every time. That's not breaking frame it's called standing up for yourself.
And don't talk to me about dopamine. I have ADHD and am prescribed dopamine reuptake inhibitors because my brain doesn't make enough of it. You can't even spell dopamine. I barely passed highschool, went to community college and did well enough to transfer to a school with a 35% acceptance rate. I didn't make some bullshit post about that either.
I'll say it one more time. You guys do not know me. I'm not some hopeless loser who can't take action, I'm just disappointed that I haven't met my expectations of myself, which are apparently higher than you guys assume they are. The insecurity in this sub is unreal.
[–]Thy_Nomad2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"I was so skinny my bench started at 85 fucking pounds and I brought that shit up to 170 without telling a damn soul."
You just told us, Jethro.
"Your goddamn right I'm gonna defend myself. When someone attacks me for zero reason and acts like they know me I will defend myself every time. That's not breaking frame it's called standing up for yourself."
We aren't "attacking" you, we're giving you a reality check for your situation. And since your living in your own wonderland over there, we thought we'd save you from it before someone got hurt.
I told you because someone told me I didn't lol they told to hit the gym like I e never done it before. I didn't bring it up till someone else did.
Ok so what's the reality check? That I won't accomplish what I said I would?
[–]Rian_Stone3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I only know what you wrote.
I also know you are DEERing yourself again, which is a fear based response to hiding or deflecting 'bad behaviour'
Oh, strongly suggest reading "No more Mr Nice Guy" I guarantee you'll find value in it.
[–]natetheproducer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
That's right you only know what I wrote. But that didn't stop you from thinking you knew what I didn't write too. Your not some wise sage you can't figure somebody out from reading one post. Don't suggest any books to me either. I completely destroyed your analysis of me and you don't have a single thing to say about it. You as well as others people commenting here are perfect examples of the cancer that exists in this sub. You didn't want to give me real advice you wanted to pounce on the self professed "loser." You are the loser.
There's a great book you should read it's called "shut the fuck up you don't know everything" written by a guy named Getover Yourself.
[–]Thy_Nomad2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Dude, you were just telling us we were attacking you and telling you to shut up and how your opinions didn't matter.
Now your telling us we need to "shut the fuck up and get over yourself". All we were doing is telling you to get over your inflated ego, you are just being a giant hypocrite.
Yes that's how I respond when people tell me to shut up and that my opinions don't matter. Over inflated ego? Why cuz I said I was gonna make a change and accomplish my goals?
[–]Thy_Nomad2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell me where anyone says your opinion doesn't matter.
They probably just said your opinion is stupid.
(Still matters, like everyone's opinion, it's just stupid.)
[–]Thy_Nomad2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Also, you finally removed the post, thank you.
I didn't delete it. Can the mods do that without me getting a notification?
[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You wrote what you deemed important.
Words reflect thought.
[–]derailluer 1 points1 points1 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm ready to admit that I'm an arrogant, delusional prick and finally move on with my life.
So much for that.
[–]natetheproducer-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Refer to my other comments.
annnnd...... He Deleted.
Guess he wasn't as determined as he said. Not that it surprised anyone.
Dude. OP. Drop your ego.We WANT you to succeed. Really. You just have to be honest.With us and yourself. Try. It's SO worth it.
Ok not arguing, serious question. Where is the ego in my post? I thought I was saying that I was ready to start my redpill journey and admit I'm not where I want to be. What am I not being honest about?
Edit: I didn't remove the post must've been the mods. Yet another assumption.
I give up. You're an asshole.
Have the life you deserve.
? That was an honest question. I actually didn't delete the post but you said I did and wasn't as determined as I though i was.
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