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[–]Primary__Account 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I used to be a big lurker on here. I've noticed that all the redpilled men on here have their own beliefs. Some are extreme and others not so much, but everyone in this sub have their separate opinions. I've noticed many handle situations very differently, there aren't just a group of redpilled men. There's redpilled men and each has their own views and thoughts but many agree with certain things as well.
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True, trp isnt so much a single organism as a complex ecosystem of varying beliefs, backgrounds and experiences brought together by the study of attraction. There are likely many many more points of view than the two i pointed out here in my post. My remarks are merely an exasperated observation of one particular groups obvious inconsistency in their pronounced conceptions.
[–]SLMC1 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
confused, cock hungry, fatherless sluts that they seek out
It's not my fault if these girls are the most fun.
could hope to know (or sleep with) a real, stable woman.
That's the secret. There are no real, stable women. Every woman is crazy. Women themselves admit this and experience bears it out.
Women are fucking nuts--find one with features you enjoy and train her to please you. That's really all there is to it.
[–]1033421 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
None of the men who judge an entire sex by its worst component (feminists) or its youngest most unstable component (young damaged sluts) could hope to know (or sleep with) a real, stable woman.
This sounds ridiculous to me, honestly...
Please tell me where the fuck are these "stable women" you talk about? I have a gigantic circle of friends, and these legendariy "stable women" are nowhere to be seen. Maybe some of them are already married by the age 23 with their first boyfriend.
Let me be real with you here, the situation of the dating market is bleak for men that want a stable relationship. I am one of those. The quality of women has plummeted, I could bet you that this real woman you talk about has a myriad of red-flags that you are naively overlooking.
I'm just not like that, never was and never will be. I refuse to lower my standards, if I get married is with a full blown unicorn, otherwise I'm ready to live by myself.
I understand how you feel, but you have to realize that the world today is different from any other point in time. The psycho element would have you believe it is all womens fault, but thats just scapegoating. The truth is we went through two world wars and a major war in vietnam which killed off a huge percentage of the the worlds Alpha males, particularly America's. This meant that three generations were essentially raised by women, who had no idea how to teach their sons how to be men. Then birth control was invented, which threw off the entire dynamic of sex and reproduction. Now we have all these people talking about "following nature's laws of reproduction" without really reproducing at all. They're used car salesmen bragging about how a Ferrari drives but they never leave the showroom to see what the road of reproduction is really like. Its a crazy confusing world, where old belief structures and physical limitations that once held people's values and actions in check are quickly crumbling to be replaced with... nothing.
[–]1Yakatonker1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
The moment you inject morality and ethics into reproduction and ignore the obvious self interest of man you are essentially sliding back into that shit hole called Liberal "Utopian" socialism, ideals and feels before reality.
Feminists are a (small but loud) minority of women. Sluts are psychologically traumatized girls. None of the men who judge an entire sex by its worst component (feminists) or its youngest most unstable component (young damaged sluts) could hope to know (or sleep with) a real, stable woman.
Women are AWALT, this is not a negotiable mechanic(Briffault's Law), nor does it change the outcomes of this biological self interest inherent in women. Not only are women inferior to men in almost all modes of social economic production, not only do they not deserve voting rights because they clearly do not contribute or are even held to the same standard of accountability or disposability, they are even entitled to the majority of the wealth of a nation for nothing but a vagina and their ability to cork retarded betas under the guise of establishment social engineering(Feminism). All of them are feminists, why would anyone be so stupid and ignore the obvious power in accordance to their sex specific self interest.
What you mistake as "psychopathy" is in reality the real world, I suggest you reread the side bar again before you bitch about it.
[–]Omnibrad1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
"Feminists are a small minority of women"
Such delusions. Women complain about anything that bothers them, yet they never complain about feminism. Nope they are perfectly happy reaping all the benefits, while pretending they are not feminists, and voting for politicians that are.
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Correction: spoiled, confused, fatherless women complain about anything. Happy women, women who are raised by confident strong fathers and courted by real Alpha males, are respectable and dont complain about everything. besides, by your logic of "lots of women are crazy and complain" then the same should follow for men since most men are blue pilled and spineless. Blanket statements and majority opinion only reflect the state of the culture you are in, not the nature of women or men as a whole. The fact is technology and catastrophe have produced this phenomenon of out of control women and painfully tamed men
[–]Omnibrad0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You are weak of mind and need to read the sidebar. Again. You cannot even properly read my post.
You are the one calling women crazy. Do not project.
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ah, and so the insults begin. to quote Socrates "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." Also you were responding to my response to Yakatonker, so I assumed you shared his values.
[–]Omnibrad0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You fool, there was never any debate.
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course there is. The fact you respond to me at all is evidence if that. The irony here being that my post is about the men of trp and their varying points of view. Yet you seem to think this is about women. Why is that?
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Modern society and the advent of birth control has spoiled the inheritance of modern day man. You talk a lot about reproduction and self interest, yet from what I can tell, what you really mean is ejaculation and pleasure. If you really meant the things you say about reproduction, you would be far more concerned with what it means to be a father and with how you should raise your children to be functional human beings. At any point before the past 80 years, the women you slept with would be liable to get pregnant and birth a child.
If youre response to this is to say "Too bad not my problem" well, that says a lot about you. The unstable women of today were raised without fathers, or their fathers were raised without fathers, thus making them weak beta males. Children need Men to raise them. Sex creates children. Most of what I see the psycho element posting about is just ways to ejaculate in the most damaged girls and escape from the REAL reproductive responsibility of actually raising their offspring into Alpha males and stable women. And yes, stable women do exist, its just our society has become so saturated with fatherless sluts or hopeless girls raised by fatherless beta males that they are few and far between.
I dont think you are actually a psychopath, so I wont worry too much about you. However if you knew what a real psychopath was you would be more hesitant to admire such a deplorable state of mind.
[–]wantonton 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
So...you come to a group which, to a large degree, espouses, "We will no longer be shamed, we will instead apply logic to determine what is most beneficial," and immediately try to shame them without once backing up your position with logic or even any attempt to show how applying an alternative world view could possibly be beneficial.
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I think Primary__Account said it best when he said that TRP is a diverse group with many different ideologies. I dont disagree with TRP, I whole heartedly believe in the laws of attraction. However there is a subgroup here who thinks being psychotic, by the definition of psychopathy, is the same thing as being an Alpha male, which I disagree with. There is also an element that uses "reproduction" as an excuse for their behavior to discredit the value of women and exalt their own debauchery while at the same time never reproducing at all. If you read my posts again you'll see there is an abundance of logic. Children need fathers. Sex creates children. The laws of attraction create sex. If you insist on capitalizing on sex without thinking about being a father, you arent an Alpha male, youre just a playboy. I know, the truth hurts.
[–]wantonton 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Except, absentee fathers is a hugely successful mating strategy used widely, if not predominately, across the entire animal kingdom. Look at the inner cities of any western nation. Almost no fathers acting as fathers and yet there is a population explosion. And those cities are creating cultures than the pacified westerns are assuming in whole. There are more art galleries, concert venues and even University classes dedicated to what is coming out of those cities than are coming out of suburbs or the country. Those same cities are accumulating huge quantities of resources and power. Many die violent, gruesome horrible deaths, but in under 100 years that population explosion will have changed America from a white western country with western values into a colored 3rd world country with 3rd world country values. It may not be a world in which you want to live, but it will be the world which was dominant and productive enough to absolutely kill the world you want and are a product of. Moreover, the resulting males will be wholly more masculine, in a strictly animalistic way, than the men inhabiting America now.
Your example is speculation and composition arguments. The fact is that children need fathers in order to have stable role models and to grow up to be functioning Alpha males. The existence of art galleries and university classes has no bearing on the development of a child's Alpha characteristics; many professors and artists are weak beta males. As an example, a 2009 study followed the children of fathers who were away from home due to incarceration. the children had more mental issues, less sociability, were more likely to commit crimes and less likely to perform well in social and work settings (ie, rise in the dominance hierarchy). Basically, youre wrong, sorry. Children need strong fathers if they want to have a good chance at growing up to become strong men.
[–]wantonton -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the only valuable characteristic you had was your supposed intelligence coupled by your self perceived moralistic supremacy. I understand why you have to advocate for a world that prizes those attributes above all others--otherwise you'll never get laid and never have kids.
But, look on the bright side, you can criticize my kids all you want safe and secure in the knowledge that you'll never have any that I can criticize.
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I already said this to Omnibrad, but its too amusing that you both defaulted at the same time so Ill share this with you as well. To quote Socrates: "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."
You can attack me personally all you want, but it does nothing for your argument, and certainly does nothing for your aforementioned children. I'm not coming from any sort of self righteous position. This is all relevant to the philosophy of TRP
[–]wantonton 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No it's all relativistic moralizing. At no point have you offered anything to support any or your positions.
You start with an end point that YOU believe is superior, with no no support for it's superiority. You then extol the only way to achieve that end goal, without support that that will even achieve it, let alone that it is the only way to achieve it, all still without convincing me it ought to be achieved. And rather than attempt to build a cogent argument you lead by slandering a large part TRP (so you may read Socrates, but you sure as hell don't understand him--to paraphrase A Fish Called Wanda).
Finally, I'm not making an argument, I'm making a criticism of your argument. You would know that, except that if you were twice as smart as you really are you still wouldn't be half as smart as you believe you are.
And I'm expanding my criticism to include the fact that you believe people are ignorant because they are unaware of the positions you aren't putting forth until after they've criticized you for having no positional support. For example, for several replies now you've been trying to fall back on the necessity for children to have fathers, but no where in your original post to do you make any mention of fathers, children or child development. The entirety of your post was an attempt to shame men for acting contrary to your values.
You are either incredibly stupid or a troll. Either way you should be banned.
Youre still resorting to blatant attacks on my character, which in itself is reason enough for me to ignore your response as little more than spiteful. Also I have provided examples, literally two comments ago to you personally. Not to mention, you do know this is a thread right? Maybe you should see where the rest of the discussion has gone with other posters, since I address some of your concerns elsewhere in the discussion. Not to mention if you go back and read the main post I actually DO mention fathers. (See "fatherless sluts"). So I dont really know what you want. You ask me to defend my original posts views on women, so i talk about the necessity for fathers to produce stable women and how men who advocate psychopathic behavior as the paramount of TRP philosophy are contradicting the very reproduction based argument that they use to exalt themselves.
Frankly you seem very insecure and hostile over a simple discussion and while I enjoy discussing these things, if the backbone of your next post is "you dumb me smart" then Ill assume it is you who are the troll and will ignore you.
[–]Phoenixtorment0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
However there is a subgroup here who thinks being psychotic, by the definition of psychopathy, is the same thing as being an Alpha male, which I disagree with.
You keep talking about this subgroup, where are they? I don't see them.
Show some examples. If there are , they will be a vast minority. Not relevant.
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Are you asking me to name specific users? Because I can, and the things I mention about them are almost quoted from their posts. Tbh though I find it hard to believe you havent encountered any of them, unless you just arent looking, since there are more than just a few of them. Even some of the other posters in this thread at least sympathize with their viewpoints. Youre non sequitur isnt really contributing anything to this thread.
[–]3whatsthisgarg0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
However there is a subgroup here who thinks being psychotic, by the definition of psychopathy, is the same thing as being an Alpha male, which I disagree with. You keep talking about this subgroup, where are they? I don't see them. Show some examples. If there are , they will be a vast minority. Not Are you asking me to name specific users? Because I can, and the things I mention about them are almost quoted from their posts
However there is a subgroup here who thinks being psychotic, by the definition of psychopathy, is the same thing as being an Alpha male, which I disagree with. You keep talking about this subgroup, where are they? I don't see them. Show some examples. If there are , they will be a vast minority. Not
Show some examples. If there are , they will be a vast minority. Not
Are you asking me to name specific users? Because I can, and the things I mention about them are almost quoted from their posts
Let's have it then. And not ALMOST quoted, let's have quoted.
[–]Phoenixtorment0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you have to look for them they aren't many.
It seems you are just blowing it out of proportion, I lurk here a lot and I don't see ppl advocating to be a psychopath.
Maybe you consider psychopathy where there isn't any?
[–]Kosms_Labyrinth0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
By "look for them" i really mean "pay attention". And no I wouldnt even mention it if there wasnt a fair number of posters who carry these ideas
[–]blackedoutfast0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
a real, stable woman.
gtfo with this pedestalizing garbage. there are no unicorns and you sound like a faggot
how is "stable" the same as "pedestalizing"? Youre ganna cut yourself with that chip on your shoulder.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not interested in your concern trolling.
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