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Marriage is not the problem

soccerplusaviation

December 17, 2014
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Title Marriage is not the problem
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soccerplusaviation

Upvotes 1
Comments 41
Date December 17, 2014 3:18 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I can tell this kid really understands women. Good luck to him.

[–]MagicGainbow3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His main assumption is that women only cheat for rational/thought out reasons...this is not true, i've seen women sleep with randomers because they didn't get to the cinema that night or women leaving their husbands and traveling half way across the country to leave with a wow loser in his moms basement (i've seen this one a good few times, online gaming man).

[–]TheAssh0le1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Realizing that our decision making paradigms are fundamentally different was about the most significant epiphany I've had since unplugging. Pieces just fell into place after that.

[–]MagicGainbow3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

Being aloha is not guarantee if you are at your 'alpha limits' and she finds someone better, hell, look at relationships, we have wives leaving their husbands for absolute losers.

[–]1User-31f64a4e3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She doesn't even have to find someone better. She just has to run across someone, into who she can project her desires for someone better. By the time she realizes her mistake, you're already divorce-raped by the state.

[–]soccerplusaviation[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Your both right, it's not a 100% guarantee. Like all things in life, there is always someone better than you. At the same time, it's always better to keep going up instead of being complacent or falling. And that's my main point. Keep going up, keep getting better and the pool of guys she will leave you for will decrease.

[–]MagicGainbow2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

And that's my main point. Keep going up, keep getting better and the pool of guys she will leave you for will decrease.

Did you read my post? self improvement is no guarantee of anything and it has no guarantee of decreasing such a pool.

Marriage isn't worth it and you saying otherwise with your shit examples and wishful thinking isn't going to convince anybody.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

I hear you. There's a lot of reasons not to climb Mt. Everest too. Better to stay where it's comfortable.

[–]MagicGainbow4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

Mt. Everest is a challenge, marriage is a shit show, these two things are not alike.

[–]TheAssh0le 3 points3 points3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Climbing Mt. Everest is challenging and rewarding. There is no reward for marriage for men. No upside, no pros, no redeeming factors at all. It's not even a matter of the challenge being greater than the reward, it's a matter of there not being any reward at all.

[–]MagicGainbow2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes! thank you! plus Everest has an end, marriage technically should end at death, so the equivalent is climbing an infinite mountain where halting = death.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It sounds like a really difficult endeavour that is its own reward. Who wants something like that. Who wants a lifelong change? Certainly no one here...

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Dude, they're both a shitstorm and a challenge. You can make all the excuses you want. You're just not up to the challenge. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Medium mode is just as impressive as hard.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Nice throwaway OP, you can be up to the challenge and still fail when she impulsively decides to 'have it all'.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

OMG A THROWAWAY LOLZERS!

Anyway, make all the excuses you care to. If you genuinely don't want to get married, then fine. But if you someday want kids and a family, and want to live in the same house as them, you're not giving yourself what you want. And why? Because some guy on reddit scared you. It's really alpha to let random Internet dude make your decisions by scaring you.

Like I said, better just to stay home.

[–]MagicGainbow-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

It's really alpha to let random Internet dude make your decisions by scaring you.

Is it any more alpha to listen to your shit, or even to sit about wondering what is and what isn't alpha?

Get back to me when your wife takes your kids to move halfway across the country to be with some world of warcraft gamer she met on a raid.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

because everything is a worst case scenario...and that's not also your fear talking.

and you're right. don't listen to me about marriage any more than any other idiot here. this is about living life AS YOU WANT not by a set of do and don'ts.

as much as you're trying to somehow insult me, you get it. don't listen to people and make your own damn decisions.

in other words, be a man.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This IS trp, AWALT for example isn't an absolute but it's smart to assume that it is until proven otherwise.

I'm not trying to insult you, just pointing out hopping over here and trying to shame guys into going against one of the key points of trp is retarded.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That's not what I'm doing. I'm saying they're letting fear make the decision for them. As I said before (perhaps you read it, perhaps not) that if you genuinely don't want a family and kids and to live with them, that's fine. If you do want that, don't let fear deny you that. Marriage isn't "anti RP" it's RP on hard mode.

Don't let the difficulty level scare you off.

[–]MagicGainbow1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That's not what I'm doing.

I'm saying they're letting fear make the decision for them.

don't let fear deny you that.

Don't let the difficulty level scare you off.

Yes you are, you keep bringing up fear, I don't fear marriage I sensibly avoid it as unwinnable.

Snakes for instance, I have zero fear of them but i'm still wary because a venomous one could kill me.

And saying marriage isn't anti-rp does not make it so, it goes against/cancels out many trp teachings, for instance the ability to walk away.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Paint it how you want. You avoid it because you're scared of losing. There's no shame in that.

Using feminist tactics trying to paint me as something I'm not because you don't like what I'm saying, that's a different story...

[–]MagicGainbow0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Paint it how you want.

Nah, just calling it as I see it. I'm pointing out that in this day winning is almost impossible no matter how 'alpha' you are.

Using feminist tactics trying to paint me as something I'm not because you don't like what I'm saying, that's a different story...

It's exactly what you are doing, using shaming tactics and implying fear, you may as well slap on caps lock and start yelling CHICKEN! at anyone that has a sensible opinion about marriage.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Now you're just turning around what I say. How clever.

We're done here. Do some learning.

[–]MagicGainbow1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Now you're just turning around what I say. How clever.

Not really just pointing out, you are the only one shaming,

We're done here. Do some learning.

but yeah quit while you are behind.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The only thing you've pointed out is your inability to comprehend the written word. Everything I've said can be summed up with "Don't let fear make your decisions". All you've done is bitch that you don't like the message and marriage is hard. You're arguing everything but the point like a good white knight. Doing it for dudes though? That's even worse than white knighting for women.

If you want to cave yourself up inside fear and make decisions that way, it doesn't bother me. As long as fear is making your decisions and you're living life by a set of do and don't instead of how YOU want, you're just a pretender. A wannabe who doesn't know well enough to learn before speaking. I've said what I've said, I think you read 1/4 and decided to argue because you didn't like the language. Get over it.

Now run along little boy, the men are talking.

Good day.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The only thing you've pointed out is your inability to comprehend the written word.

Nope, your over use of the words fear and scared get your dumb message across quite qell.

You keep trying to hammer your point home but nobody is listening, it's badly made and it's take more tahn the badly written words of some brah on the internet to change trps views on marriage, for example actual changes in the law.

Not sure where you got white knight from, but you are the one that can't seem to actually understand that marriage can be unwinnable no matter how good at trp you are, as i've said before sensibility does not equal fear, I don't drive out on a rainy road with poor visibility because i'm scared but because it makes sense.

I can want kids/a wife and not want marriage(those things are no longer exclusive)

you're just a pretender. A wannabe who doesn't know well enough to learn before speaking. I've said what I've said, I think you read 1/4 and decided to argue because you didn't like the language.

Again with the shaming language(so like a feminist), I never mentioned the language, just pointed out OPs(you?) post is in no way trp

Now run along little boy, the men are talking.

Agreed, now fuck off back to askmen or bluepill and take your marriage bullshit with you as i've yet to see anyone pipe up in agreement with you(I wonder why!?)

One of the main tenants of tp is being able to walk way when you want, this cannot be done in a marriage, and you lose several freedoms because of marriage.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Did that jerkoff session feel good? I said we're done here. Show some maturity. Jesus.

[–]MagicGainbow1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Speak for yourself, you are basically hopping over and going ''awww you don't think marriage is a good idea? you scared?''(which has been your only argument so far).

And the only jerkoff here is you, are you going to keep edging yourself to thought of your own superiority and enlightened thoughts on marriage(which are both nothing new and completely against trp)or are you going to keep going?

And yes we are done here as you've yet to come up with any compelling reasons or counters to what anyone(including one actually married guy) has said on here, buh-bye faggot.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Aww, he has a friend. How cute.

If you're denying yourself a family because marriage is hard, you don't understand trp. Again, no judgement. Those not capable of climbing Mt. Everest should stay off it.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You are the one demonstrating that you don't understand trp, ask anyone on here and they'll agree that marriage can be unwinnable, and stop comparing marriage to climbing a mountain because as me and others have pointed out those things are not alike.

And I notice you STILL have not countered my arguments apart from implying that anyone that doesn't want it can't hack it. I don't want to run a marathon, doesn't mean I can't just that I see no personal reward in it.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Jesus you just refuse to get it.

Head on over to r/marriedredpill and try telling everyone that. People like you are why trp is splitting into separate factions. Strength in divisiveness? Good call.

Anyway, like I said twice, and you apparently never cared to fucking read, if you want a family and want to live with them but deny yourself because "the trp sub told me so" then you took no red pill. You simply changed the colour of the blue. You're still living by someone else's decisions, which means you're really living life for them. Why would you do such a thing?

Fear. You're afraid to lose. If you want to stay at the penny slots go ahead (since you deliberately misunderstood the other analogy...what other group likes to deliberately misunderstand to further their own arguments? Hmm?). If you're scared of losing you're shirt, that's the section of the casino for you.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Head on over to r/marriedredpill and try telling everyone that.

As I said earlier, it's too late for them, my push is that trp doesn't recommend it, and as for caring what trp thinks ultimately? I don't i'm more purple pill than anything(no absolutes for me).

If you want to push marriage, MAKE AN ACTUAL CASE! instead of implying that every guy that's looked and assessed the risks and said no is 'scared'. You can have a family and not get married(it's very coomon over here in Europe even the feminists say no to marriage as a shit show).

Fear. You're afraid to lose.

So you keep saying over and over and over, i'm saying you can't win so why play? there are no benefits to marriage that can't be got outside of it today easily, trp is great for married guys no doubt but ask most of them and I bet they say if they could do it all again they'd just not get married.

Also your analogies are terrible. As always waiting for an actual argument beyond your scared/it's a challenge, list me some tangible benefits to marriage that can't be got without it?

Theres a thread over at purplepill debate where even the bpers are agreeing that there are more cons to pros in marriage now.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You still think I'm pushing marriage. You obviously haven't read a goddamned thing I've said, nor do you intend to. You don't like what's being said so you attack everything but the actual point made. That's on you. I've said it many, many times. You choose to argue other points.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I've seen your point and you have yet to justify it in any capacity, still not seeing any actual rebuttal beyond ''you're scared''.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No. You think I'm pushing marriage. That means you haven't got a clue what was said. Like I said, let me know when you read what's said and want to discus the reality of it, not whatever the hell your own preconceived ideas are. You're a feminist arguing the opposite point. I'm done. There's no reasoning with you.

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Oh, and there are more cons to pros. A lot of the best business and war decisions have been made going against the numbers.

But if you're scared because of a reddit sub, it's probably best for all involved (I couldn't give two shits) it's best to play it safe. Those penny slots do pay out occasionally...

[–][deleted]0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You still think I'm telling you to get married even if you don't want. You're but hurt because you think something I'm saying relates to you. If you don't want a family, I'm not talking to you. Or are you offended on someone else's behalf?

Seriously go back and look at what I've said. When you understand it then you can talk to me. Until then, stop nipping at my ankles like and femtwat bitch. It's more sad than anything.

[–]soccerplusaviation[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't need to give to give examples, there are plenty of posts on this thread where men have reported a shift to more masculine behaviours has improved their relationships.

And you my friend cannot read. Im not trying to sell marriage and you shouldn't be advocating that marriage is a waste of time. But there is a lot of people who want to get married. Your clearly don't, I don't care this post isn't for you then.

And I don't need you to tell me that self improvement is no guarantee. I was well on my to the MLS league until I got 3 of 4 ligaments torn in my right knee.

[–]MagicGainbow1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't need to give to give examples, there are plenty of posts on this thread where men have reported a shift to more masculine behaviours has improved their relationships.

For these guys it is too late, they can divorce or work with what they have.

you shouldn't be advocating that marriage is a waste of time.

Why not? it's an accepted position, even askmen mostly agree that marriage now is a shit show.

But there is a lot of people who want to get married. Your clearly don't, I don't care this post isn't for you then.

True, but you will not find them here, this is trp which is about the unpleasant and uncomfortable truth, personally I'd love to get married but it's just as big a shit show in my country.

I'm just pointing out that your advice is unrealistic wishful thinking.

[–]BeautyQuark2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Disclosure: I have been married for 15 years, I am my wife's only, we were high school sweethearts.

Don't get married, it is simply not worth it. On the off chance you decide the risk is worth it, cash out towards the end of your peak like women. Honestly, why on earth would you wish to limit your options, unless you could marry a chaste virgin. Even that is no guarantee of a happy life.

(Field Report) I have passed on HB8-9's for my wife who is a HB7-8, I am an 8-10 depending on my weight. However, my wife still forgot reality even though I made her aware of my options. She still ended up in a solipsistic world of non-reality. She did not cheat but damn near destroyed our lives with drinking. I attribute non-cheating 100% to the fact that she was a virgin and I have always placed the divorce line on cheating. I would almost guarantee she would have cheated if she were not a virgin when we married.

I have had to get in better shape and am back up to a 8.5-9 while she is around a 7.5. I am working on getting as close to a 10 as I can. Right now, I get eye-fucked in front of her by 17-20 year old HB8/9's. I get stared at by women like I am a desert in front of her. They laugh and flirt anytime I talk to them while she is right by me. Over the years she has grown accustomed to this passive flirting from women. She has taken me for granted by disrespecting me, and is only sort of waking up to the fact I am just about done.

The ONLY thing that is repairing our marriage is pure unadulterated dread. I am having to actively flirt in front of her, and tell her I am planning on leaving her within months unless I approve of her progress.

This is not to say she is a bad wife. Most guys would be screaming from the roof tops with praise. Minus the drinking, and her selfishness she is a good wife. Sex is not an issue, she does damn near 100% of the housework, takes care of the kids day to day, and generally is a good person. However, she dresses up for others and dresses down for me. She lied openly on her drinking, and effectively nuked our lives because of it. Lies about spending money. Agrees to commitments without talking to me. Passively flirts without knowing it. Will not compromise on damn near anything. She has stayed home all 15 years and does not have a career. She places others' priorities ahead of me, even acquaintances. Overall, it is just a lack of respect. Honestly, that is my only issue with her, no fucking respect.

I am staying with her for my kids, and to fix my f'ups in my mental state. I have always been direct, and would describe my attitude as Alpha 80% Beta 20%. However, I never would have left her because of my kids, and the fact I could not see her suffer; my Beta was the BAD Beta. I have called out her crap 95%+ of the time, hence her need for lying. I have always caught the lying eventually(damn near photographic memory). She took advantage of long work hours, and drank because of childhood trauma. She would elevate anything she did not feel was correct and we would have a verbal war. I would end up losing because I would call her names, or walk away because I was feeling violent. I then would have to apologize and she would win.

We finally separated and I have my anger in check now. She is currently complaining about all of the things I was trying to prevent when we were fighting to the point of WW3. She Nuked our damn lives, I tried to stop it, and she kicked me out. I am now picking up all the pieces, and had to re-frame this shit into my frame. Read that again, I had to re-frame her kicking me out, into my frame. AWALT

How did I get my anger under control? Dread, Dread, Dread, and more Dread. I will walk out on her. I will hit on women. I tell her that shit is changing now, or I am gone. I felt hopeless because I would not leave her, and she knew this. I was pissed because she had the power. She knew this and abused the living shit out of it. It was pretty much my one fucking weakness. She exploited the crap out of it, she only had two boyfriends before me and I was her first. She is damn near a Porn Star/Joan Cleaver minus the cooking. That crap is not enough to overcome her being a spoiled brat that is disrespectful. She has always found a way to beat me down, and I have always had to re-frame. Dread has put her back in her place, and now she is starting to treat me almost perfectly. Which is the way I have always tried to treat her. So I ask, are you really wanting to run Dread on your wife for your entire marriage?

(RedPill Message) Have your fun enjoy life, and consider marrying in your late 40's early 50's (George Clooney has it right). Find a hot 20 something girl with a low n count. Make it clear you want a family with kids and she can have half your money. Iron clad pre-nup and straight-up contractual relationship. Make her aware every kid will be paternity tested, and divorce will follow any failures. This is a pure Dread, risk and reward setup. Quit bitching about hypergamy, and embrace the fuck out of it. Honestly, most men do not enjoy kids until their 50's, and that is as a grandparent. Why on earth would you not enjoy your Alpha Fucks, and then enjoy Beta Fucks with a nice contractual wife who has an incentive(Dread) to stay loyal for your Bucks.

[–]alreadyredschool0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You want to give away the power to walk away for free and say that is no problem?

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