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Moar Women in IT Security, stat!!!

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November 7, 2013
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Title Moar Women in IT Security, stat!!!
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Date November 7, 2013 12:55 PM UTC
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[–][deleted] 12 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

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[–]JohnPeel 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I cannot believe in a field such as infosec we have people saying, with seriousness, that technical skill isn't the most important thing.

The hackers that they come up against do not have great people and teamwork skills. What they do have is excellent hacking skills, which is why there is a problem. And they are making more money stealing credit card details than working in IT.

[–]1whatsazipper 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to the problem of political correctness and social justice.

Excellent technical skills == [white/asian] male privilege

Thus, women and "underrepresented" minorities should be recruited over them, and more funds should be diverted to educating women and minorities.

Go fuck yourself if you disagree <- generally what the responses seem to indicate

[–]thethirdcoast 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This trend is becoming a huge problem in the associated fields of engineering as well. It is sad to see because almost everyone loses.

[–]1whatsazipper 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The only way I see it slowing, halting, or reversing, is if this trend causes businesses to lose money and productivity.

Otherwise, no one can touch it without being labeled a racist or misogynist.

Meanwhile, I think the bigots are the people suggesting that I have some sort of privilege. Fuck me. I just put in all the work, and someone's going to call that privilege. How about you shut the fuck up and crack open a book instead.

[–]thethirdcoast 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can tell you from personal experience that productivity is going down the sewer while the bottom line is okay or even improving. This is mainly due to the competent employees ability to up the slack from the deadweight. This compensation can probably continue a bit longer, but not much.

[–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I sincerely hope they're aggressively negotiating for compensation if they're picking up someone else's slack.

[–]alt30313 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Its funny because beyond facebook, snapchat and twitter have all lacked diversity. Twitter upset all the bloggers when they only appointed two women to the board and executive positions (1 for PR and a female lawyer). The self-righteous woman that was whining to me couldn't give me a good reason women didn't get involved in the VC when it was a startup or they couldn't start the companies themselves.

[–]IdleGod 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We know why. Women find something new to be too nerdy, and ignore it. Once it becomes cool, or a big money maker, they then jump on board. They don't have the same risk assessment profile that men do, and therefor, demand that they be compensated.

[–]RedPillScare 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...and ruin it.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Well then, maybe these women should go and get skilled up then apply for these jobs.

slow nodding

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

no doubt... I can't stand seeing articles like this. Not to mention ones written by a MAN. Wtf?!?!?!

We need more women in X field simply because they are better at socializing? How fucking retarded is that?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They could get those jobs if they wanted to. They obviously dont want to. Its typical of them to make it sound like an issue though.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

tucks genitals between legs and sits on them

NO, you patriarch. Those women are being oppressed by a corrupt system which is preventing women from getting jobs in IT. And weve just proven that with this study, as you can see..

Man up and give women the opportunities they deserve.

^ the above should have you reaching for your liquor :P

[–]ReturnThroughAether 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you serious? Surely you don't expect me, a (hypothetical) woman to take action about something. I DESERVE it, it should just be given to me. Because female.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

pushes groin back between legs

Men have oppressed women for years! This is the least they can do >_>

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, no! Ive got a better one!

clears throat
shoves groin between legs
YOU POOR OPPRESSED WOMAN! WHAT CAN I GIVE YOU TO MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER?

[–]echosofverture 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your right, please send me your address so I can mail you a 100k check.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know what, fuck it. Let them in. Let all of them in lets get gender equality in IT security. Then the predominantly male Russian and Chinese hackers will rape their 'communication skills' firewall.

[–]MockingDead 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We need to have a round table with the hackers. We need to build their self esteem.

[–]JimmyTheIntern 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We need more women in X

Translation: We need to lower salaries in X by increasing the number of people in the field.

Businesses don't want more women in STEM fields because of gender equality or some other idealistic nonsense. They want more women because they are a relatively untapped source of labor. More qualified applicants for a position means less negotiation leverage for workers, and businesses can pay people less to do the same work.

The whole scheme is so transparent I saw through it even before taking the red pill.

[–]billnye_theRPguy 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Translation: We need to lower salaries in X by increasing the number of people in the field.

Hah, no doubt. There was a time where a mans salary could support an entire family. Now if you're retarded enough to get married and have kids, now both parents have to work to support a family. The IT industry is one of the last bastions of relatively stable and high wages, so it's no mystery why they want to eliminate it.

[–]thethirdcoast 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. It's amazing how certain trends like women in the workplace, illegal immigration, and outsourcing are all ultimately about furthering the commoditization of the individual worker.

[–]SarahC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So fucking true!

[–]BeatYourBunssss 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny you posted this. I read this article on LinkedIn yesterday. Pure bluepill hogwash. It's the systems fault they don't study STEM fields, not their own!

In other news, the fashion industry is failing men. Give me a fucking break.

[–]billnye_theRPguy 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The talent in IT is guys who have an interest and have been dedicated with technology since they were young.

What girl do you see that prefers a night of writing code to riding dick?

This isn't the fault of schools. There's a few girls that try out IT programs all the time, and then immediately drop out when they realize that writing status updates to facebook isn't the same as debugging shitty code.

[–]vaker 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

STEM fields require significant dedication&effort to master and there is an obvious yes/no criteria on success.

No amount of excuses make up for the fact that the bridge has collapsed due to incompetent design. You can't shame a computer into running a faulty program. This environment is 'hostile' to females and their 'strengths' !!!1!

[–]RejectionEquality12 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

I once dated a ballet dancer for a year that claimed to want to learn how to code. She was an "avid reader" and even used Firefox, which had me pretty excited.

I gave her a copy of this book.

To her credit, she read the first chapter.

Then (despite my genuine encouragement), she went back to reading Harry Potter fan fiction.

I kept gently pushing her to read and got blown off Every. Single. Time.

And here's the best part: her mother was working on a Ph.D. in Women's Studies at the time and is a "very smart cookie," according to her daughter.

I don't think her sunny disposition and positive thinking will take her very far in life.

[–]IdleGod 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is my field. I'll give some insight.

There are some smart women in security and hacker fields. Lady Ada, for example. But they are fewer, and further between.

There were two girls in my pre-undergrad program (long winding educational story...). One was just flat out dumb. Quiet, but dumb. She didn't pass many courses. She had a project that was to take an entire semester, so she stored it on a flash drive. It got broken off while in the lab computer one day; she didn't have any backups of it or any old copies. This was 2 weeks before the deadline. She failed.

The other girl wasn't exactly bright either. But, she was "sassy" and "bubbly" (code word for total self centered cunt). Bluepill beta bitch me fawned after her. She was fugly too, so I am doubly ashamed by this bad behavior. While others were having trouble finding a job, she had no problem finding many jobs that paid a lot higher, all because she was a woman.

We had almost all male professors, except for one female prof. She taught, you guessed it, a completely non-technical course. (I'm told she taught basic programming for another group, but was abhorrent at it). She started the semester off with the old puzzle "a father and son get in a car accident; doctor says, I can't work on the boy, he is my son". The answer is that the doctor is a woman, and everyone is sexist for not thinking women can be doctors (despite someone imediately answering her question with the correct answer). (the other answer is the driver is a priest). "The doctor is a woman"... one guy pipes up "not bloody likely!". That pissed her off. Fuck her. Her exams were all "written" (no multiple choice). I always got several extra marks for correcting her. "Whats a hyperlink", I answered with the true history, she wanted "a link on a web page". Dumb. I found documentation proving the history. I still can't believe she was a professor.

The best example from that female prof comes at the end of the semester. We had another final exam from a course, worth far more credits, get moved to clash with her exam. The other prof couldn't do anything (lab resources shared amongst many exam takers), so we asked her to move the exam. "Nope, never". After some serious prodding, even talking to the other prof about it, she finally agreed and moved it to the spot that was vacated by the other exam. Two days later, the big exam gets moved back to the original spot. We ask her to move it back. "Nope", and she won't budge. We're all sitting around, pondering what to do. One guy suggests sending one person to talk to her. He suggests a kind of squirrelly beta boy to play on some sympathy. I respond "No, send dumb sassy cunt". They all just look at me and go "Yea!". Everyone knew she was a sexist cunt. Sure enough, the exam got moved almost immediately. Old boys club? Talk about a girls club. Jesus christ feminists piss me off.

I've seen it before with other women in the field. Companies hire every woman they can get their hands on, and offer them more money, because they want the woman to work there. They don't see men and women as equals, because they want to make it more equal for women. They need to hit that checkbox and say "we have women". It's supply and demand. When there is a void in the workforce of a specific type of employee, that type of employee becomes very valuable, and you pay them more. Because they see women as a commodity to fill the gap, they are considered rare and therefor, worth more. The issue isn't in hiring, the issue is in women not wanting to go into the field. But that doesn't fit their narrative.

[–]FAwhy 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Old boys club? Talk about a girls club. Jesus christ feminists piss me off.

I've seen it before with other women in the field. Companies hire every woman they can get their hands on, and offer them more money, because they want the woman to work there. They don't see men and women as equals, because they want to make it more equal for women. They need to hit that checkbox and say "we have women".

Not in IT but had an interview recently that basically was just like you described. Everyone at that office was female. All positions there were held by women, even most of the other people interviewing the same day as me were women. I could sense the hatred towards me the minute I walked into that door. It was a girl's club and I wasn't invited. Sad thing is this is a government office/job. Fuck diversity, they don't care about it. Only they can be oppressed and discriminated against.

[–]IdleGod 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Diversity" is only helpful until they get some power, then its all about women's empowerment. Creationists had a term for it, they call it the wedge strategy. They use powerful, loaded language to get in the door, then keep pushing for wider and wider acceptance.

Some actually believe that women cannot be malicious, as thats a male-only trait. They believe women are the better solution to everything. We know women can be just as exclusionary as men.

[–]1whatsazipper 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I would argue that women are more exclusionary than men. Women in female dominated fields are hostile to men entering, and will shame them. Occupational therapy is notoriously like this. It's pretty much an all girls club and if you're a man, there must be something wrong with you, according to the women.

Women don't "white knight" on behalf of men. r

Want to enter education as a man? Why would you work with children? You must be a pedo.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]RejectionEquality0 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Maybe but she was transparent to me. I don't think anyone ever told her "no," which is why we went our separate ways. She couldn't handle me.

[–]3x100 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ballet is dope and requires as much discipline as a professional sport. it would be cool to be able to say my girl is a pro ballerina.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So women want to talk instead of doing the hard work and become knowledgable about target matter? Well I for one am shocked.

I love how the author is all "Diversity is good! You know why? Because it's diverse!"

[–]vaker 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate it when I hear the 'diversity is good' mantra. There was no diversity in groups achieving mankind's greatest successes. No 50% females on Columbus' ships. No 50% females among astronauts and NASA scientists at the time of the moonshot. No 50% at history's greatest construction projects. No 50% among the pioneers of science and medicine. No 50% among the founders of great businesses. I could go on forever.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

“In comparison to representative labor statistics—women in 2012 accounted for 46.9% of the United States total labor force and 51.5% of United States management, professional, and related positions—it is clearly evident that women, at just 11% of the Information-Security profession, are greatly under represented.”

Strictly speaking when women are under-represented in some fields... This means they are OVER-represented in other fields. Lets see the demands for gender equality in teaching and HR which are usually stocked full of women. I would include nurses in this but lately I've noticed a larger number of men taking on those types of jobs (I personally know about 4-5 male nurses among the friends I play video games with)

[–]the_letter_P 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Alternatively why don't we see this sort of attention being brought to less glamorous male dominated fields? all we ever hear is how the evil patriarchy is oppressing these women from entering the nice clean, well paying world of IT.

Why do we not see this demand for equality in the world of ditch digging, or sewer workers or manual labourers? strangely quiet on that front it seems.

[–]1whatsazipper 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm. I wonder why they're so quiet about those fields and female dominated fields (why aren't they recruiting men?). So puzzling.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because they're easy and free money for women.

I think I seen someone posting about how only women are able to get into positions where they care for kids. Like airlines will only put unaccompanied minors next to women and stuff like it's a jobs program for vaginas.

[–]1whatsazipper 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

jobs program for vaginas

Essentially what it all comes down to. My question wasn't serious. It's apparent that they want money without having to compete for it. Unfortunately, this strategy is not being met with enough opposition. Plenty of manginas in engineering pushing for it too.

[–]1whatsazipper 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look, you just don't understand your fucking white male* privilege. HIRE ALL THE UNQUALIFIED WOMEN AND MINORITIES AND JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY BECAUSE THEY NEED HIGH PAYING JOBS TOO!!!

*Or asian male. But that isn't as fun for us social justice warriors to say.

[–]x7CR7x 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At this point, I feel like they're TRYING to elicit a reaction out of me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/10/government-is-magic.html

Our technocracy is detached from competence. It's not the technocracy of engineers, but of "thinkers" who read Malcolm Gladwell and Thomas Friedman and watch TED talks and savor the flavor of competence, without ever imbibing its substance.

These are the people who love Freakonomics, who enjoy all sorts of mental puzzles, who like to see an idea turned on its head, but who couldn't fix a toaster.

... Competence is the real modernity and it has very little to do with the empty trappings of design that surround it. In some ways the America of a few generations ago was a far more modern place because it was a more competent place. For all our nice toys, we look like primitive savages compared to men who could build skyscrapers and fleets within a year... and build them well.

... Our modernity is style rather than substance. It's Obama grinning. It's the right font. It's the right joke. It's that sense that X knows what he's doing because he presents it the right way. There's nothing particularly modern about that. In most cultures, the illusion of competence trumps the real thing. It's why so many countries are so badly broken because they go by appearances, rather than by results.

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