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Red Pill Relationship Game is Flawed: Why we don't need unicorns.

abcd_z

January 5, 2014
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Title Red Pill Relationship Game is Flawed: Why we don't need unicorns.
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abcd_z

Upvotes 0
Comments 15
Date January 5, 2014 10:13 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]JohnGalt3162 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

i'm not looking for a unicorn

i'm going to marry the girl who earns it by being honest, trustworthy, supportive, and kind

do you see the key difference? don't commit to someone you THINK has those qualities. let them PROVE they have those qualities by demonstrating them and then commit.

[–]abcd_z[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I am in complete agreement with you. To me, the most important aspect of a woman is how she treats you.

The problem is that a unicorn is often defined, at least in part, as a non-hypergamous woman who hasn't slept with many men. That's what I'm arguing against when I say "unicorns are unnecessary".

[–]JohnGalt3162 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

wrong

past indicators are important as well. you should be looking at her past actions as well as her actions towards you.

someone who has been honest, trustworthy, supportive, and kind her whole life is wifey material. a woman who slutted up her 20s, who "has changed" is doing so because she isn't attractive enough to get away with it anymore. these women should be avoided.

[–]abcd_z[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The premise of looking for a woman who hasn't had many men is flawed, because women can lie and there's always the chance that you won't be able to tell.

It makes much more sense to me to develop a relationship strategy that doesn't require her to be virginal in order give you the most happiness and the least unhappiness.

[–]JohnGalt3160 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

are you a woman?

you argue like a woman. you haven't read anything i wrote and you just reply by restating your opinion over and over.

i never put virginity as a requirement not did i ever say to trust a woman on her numbers.

[–]abcd_z[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you haven't read anything i wrote and you just reply by restating your opinion over and over.

You haven't said anything that disproves my argument, which is why I keep coming back to it.

i never put virginity as a requirement

Hyperbole on my part. I only meant "a non-slutty woman".

not did i ever say to trust a woman on her numbers.

Weird. I feel like I've had this conversation about half a year ago in this same subreddit.

Anyhow, if not relying on her numbers then how do you decide if a woman is "slutty" or not?

[–]XCowboyLowkesx1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I like your post. I think it's well thought out and a rather interesting topic. It's true girls deceive men and make themselves look higher value then they are. Lying about their sexual history and putting on extensive makeup to make themselves look more attractive.

But you cease to realize that before women hit the wall, and even after that, game and PUA let men do the EXACT SAME THING. Negging, cockiness, and frame control are all aspects of high status males. You can be the most punk ass bitch, with no ambition and status, but if you display these attributes you can achieve and pull hot ass bitches.

When they find out that instead of some hot, strong, badass they thought they had sex with, you were just some faggot ass scrub that part times at Exxon gas station, they're less then ecstatic.

You act like women are the only people that have that advantage, but in truth, we have MORE of an advantage, since we don't have to rely on, which women are almost 100% dependent on.

But as a man, we all have to choose our own path. It is perfectly acceptable to not dedicate any time to a wife or LTR. like myself and others on TRP, some have decided to not commit until we find the unicorn and have ourselves in a stable financial situation. But by that time, hotter bitches will have come. And that is a guaranteed trend to continue.

But that doesn't mean everyone has to go the same way. Just like women, its OUR problem to see through THEIR bullshit, and vice versa. And TRP helps men see through this bullshit. Problems, indicators and other red flags that you can see become obvious.

There is no "right" way to lead a red pill Lifestyle. TRP is a resource, not a checklist.

[–]abcd_z[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

And TRP helps men see through this bullshit. Problems, indicators and other red flags that you can see become obvious.

My problem is when people look for (unreliable) indicators of that rare woman who is non-hypergamous and hasn't had many sexual partners, then use those indicators to justify settling down with her.

Instead of "most women aren't like this, so look for the vanishingly rare ones that are", it would make more sense and lead to happier relationships to say "most women aren't like this, so develop a relationship style that works with how most women actually are."

That would allow men to be happy in any relationship in which they're treated well, instead of holding out for a mythical unicorn.

[–]3trplurker1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You don't yet really understand trp. All women are hypergamous, no exceptions. Its a core part of their sex drive and as such is 100% subconscious. Most women don't even know its there, just one day she ceases being attracted to her current mate and starts fantasizes about another. This is why you can't remove it or rationalize with it. Just accept its existence and have your own strategy and backup plan.

[–]abcd_z[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We're in agreement, then. My concern is only for the guys who say "yes, most women are hypergamous, but this woman is Not Like The OthersTM, so I'm going to settle down with her."

[–]3trplurker1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It takes a special kind of game to keep a women these days. The old ways used social pressure and potential destitution to restrict her hypergamy. Women still felt it but didn't publicly act on it out of fear for the consequences. So in order to restrict her hypergamy a man needs to create the feeling that if she so much as sniffs in the wrong direction he will happily leave her ass for a younger and hotter girl. Massive dread game, social proof and displays of actual power. That's not easy and its why we recommend new guys to not get oneitis or do commitments.

Finially unicorns aren't born they are trained. Behavioral modification and really learning how to get into someone's head and fuck with it. Absolutely not for the faint of heart or anyone still struggling with their own moral compass.

[–]abcd_z[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yyyyeahhhh...

Or you could just practice Pickup Artist Polyamory. It seems much easier to me, and it requires much less mental and emotional investment: let her do her own thing, sleep with whoever you want, and have as many emotionally-fulfilling relationships as you want, with zero drama whatsoever.

[–]abcd_z[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So in order to restrict her hypergamy a man needs to create the feeling that if she so much as sniffs in the wrong direction he will happily leave her ass for a younger and hotter girl.

That doesn't necessarily mean she won't cheat on you, it just means that she would be discreet about it if she did cheat.

[–]kzwrp0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no one. 'nuff said.

[–]abcd_z[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never claimed there was a "soulmate", and I agree that oneitis is a bad thing to be guarded against wherever possible.

These are my questions:

  • What would your relationships with women be like if you stopped holding out for a unicorn?
  • How could you forge that into something that gives you the happiest possible life?
  • What beliefs would you have to give up to do so?
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