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[–]CombatEffective 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
This is why looks matter more than game. A female subconsciously needs her son to also be alpha, and the most reliable way to get a son who will have lots of sex to give the mother lots of grandchildren is to get the genetic material from a very good looking guy rather than one who can provide or act confidently because social status and aggression merely ensure that the child will grow into adulthood because of the abundance of resources secured by alpha behavior, but not that that child will then also himself manage to reproduce. Looks are the most important thing you can change. Beautify yourself as much as possible, scrape every little bit you can get off the bottom of the barrel, then work on game and confidence.
[–]Uedukai 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
scrape every little bit you can get off the bottom of the barrel, then work on game and confidence
I did the opposite:
Way back when, I used to be a swimmer. My body looked great, and I had dashing looks, but my personality was pretty lame and beta. I still got great pussy. When I stopped swimming, got out of highschool and started working a (very shitty and stressful) par-time job, I gained a bit of weight (just a bit), and lost almost all my muscle mass (about 32-35lbs). I then found that with my lame personality and altered looks, It wasn't as easy for me. So I built on my personality for some years until I became confident no matter my appearance, didn't give shits anymore about what people thought, learned to value my own opinions, and would talk girls up all the time. I eventually started getting somewhat near to the amount of pussy I did before. This is when my physical game was lacking. Somewhere after that, I began working out again, and perfecting my skin, hair, etc. I thought to myself, "If I can achieve all of this with my new and improved personality, and 'alright' physique, imagine my new and improved personality/game AND my old looks."
It was pretty much what I imagined too. Pre-selection is easy street, and you can't knock my game no matter how bad my hair day is, or how intimidating anything, or anyone is. Mad pussy brothers. Now I'm working on new job, money, house, car, etc. Building up, step by step.
As I say... playing life on hard mode gives you the best results, and the brightest future; Just my two cents. Building my personality without the physical appearance helping me that much gave me a clearer view of what I needed to improve. Otherwise women may overlook where you dropped the ball game-wise because of your physical appearance, and it becomes harder the improve that particular aspect.
I know everyone reads through stories wondering about height, because it can play a factor, so I'll let you know that I'm not (but somewhat close-to) six feet. I'm 5'10".
Note: Wrote this at almost 12am back from work, so if something doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll fix/clarify.
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm 6'2... guys get irrationally intimidated. It doesn't magically get you pussy like so many of these tiny guys imagine. Height is more intimidating than it is seductive, believe that shit.
Edit: perhaps from a 50 shades of grey perspective its seductive.
[–]Uedukai 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Depends on how you carry it. I know a giant dude that's 6'8" for example that has no problem getting tons of women. He's alpha, but carries his masculinity in a softer manner (always a bit of a smile on him, moves slower, always adds a hint of humor in what he says) to weaken the intimidation (he is that 'big bear' type of guy that every woman knows and dotes over).
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Haha, I can read body language like a girl can tell if you're a bitch or not, and believe that 15 seconds in any guys presence smaller than me (pretty much 99% of guys on this planet) there's a high chance he's feeling awkward because one: I'm fucking tall two: he doesn't know me and his animal brain is telling him to be hyper aware just in case. It is what it is. He can't help but feel that way. It's actually incredibly interesting to observe. People expect you to be something when you're very tall, they assume you're a cunt and you will kick their ass, they feel genuine animal fear. Height is like skin colour or attractiveness... you get stereotyped. People who don't know me are always almost awkward in my presence and I'm not in the business of making people feel comfortable because my couple of inches closer to the sky activates their limbic system and has them feeling awkward. Other tall guys will vouch for me, people are irrationally awkward around you when they don't know you. Small guys fucking hate your guts. Everyone else fears you unless you do shit to comfort them. Its fucked up but what the fuck isnt.
[–]Uedukai 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's funny you should mention this. The way I got my brain to think through time, is that if something is going to randomly happen, it's going to happen (i.e. I don't bother worrying about anything that probably is never going to happen anyway). I dunno If most guys do the same though. It's a great way to live... I think. I actually don't fear death, and I'm dead serious about that. I've also been through a lot of shit in my life which probably contributed to that.
[–]nillotampoco 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This should be something to learn when becoming a man, learning not to fear your fellow man, it adds anxiety to your world when your worried about getting beat up constantly.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I grew up ugly as fuck, and as a result, I developed amazing game. I still wasn't pulling girls much hotter than I was - I was just very efficient at closing with girls that were into me.
Now, I'm getting gradually better looking and getting more muscular. I am so excited for what will happen as my looks improve.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Cool story but why that last paragraph? U insecure, bro?
[–]Uedukai 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just pointing out what I know quite a few lurkers around here are wondering about.
People talk about height a lot on here, if you're new.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This.
huh?
[–]we_r_legun1993 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I thought this was a widely accepted truth among people who have swallowed the pill. Is anyone even disputing this anymore?
[–]windycityman 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The great thing about that like you said is pretty much any dude can get to at least a 7 on a 10 scale if he works at it.
Hell just hitting the gym puts you ahead of 70% of guys. Most dudes I see are either skinny or fat. Most of my friends are skinny as fuck, if they just worked out and lost the nerd glasses they could be getting pussy all the time. Then they whine to me about how bitches won't give them attention.
For example one guy I know is 6'2. That's a pretty good starting point. But he's also 140 pounds with glasses and wears these dorky Nintendo t-shirts to the bar. He could be crushing it if he just worked out, got some contacts, and threw on a real shirt. Instant 2 point bump right there by doing those three things.
How hard is that?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah bro, it seems like at least 50% of 18-25 guys lift now.
[–]sniperhiding 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Keep in mind looks includes more than just facial features. It also includes body fat, muscle build, hair, facial hair, teeth, dress.
[–]redkudu1980 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
what if she has a girl? Is there a sexy whore hypothesis too?
[–]outercourse 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All the genetic mate-selection theory is covered in The Red Queen by Matt Ridley.
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[–]AwwYissMane 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's.....actually a really good point that I hadn't considered before. Evolutionary biology may not make much of a difference in this area, seeing as how women really had little choice in sexual partners until recently. Or maybe it still matters, I don't know.
Does anybody have any more information about this? I'm really curious about hagen's point.
[–]Rockleezombie 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You also have to take in consideration that just because a woman was married in these past few centuries, it doesn't always mean that her offspring were from her husband. The true miracle is that we now have genetic testing to confirm.
[–]AwwYissMane 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is true, but I wonder exactly how often that occurred, since there was so much more at stake for women personally if they were caught in adultery. There have been (and still are a few) cultures in which women were killed for cheating on their husbands, or jailed or whatever. But now, there really aren't any serious punitive consequences for cheating. Even in marriage, a cheating spouse doesn't guarantee a windfall in divorce proceedings anymore, whereas it was once a for sure alimony setup at the very least.
Is there any numbers that give us an idea of how frequently adultery occurs now, versus 300 years ago? Or even 100 years ago? There are few consequences for adultery in marriage today, so in my mind it seems to happen more frequently. But maybe it has always happened a lot, and nobody ever talked about it openly until now..
That would be a hard number to gauge though, since people aren't exactly honest about being cheating bitches/bastards. So the numbers might not even be helpful.
[–]E-o_o-3 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hunter gatherer women (who make up the bulk of our evolutionary history) have free choice.
[–]riverraider69 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Neh. Rape may have been more likely in the evolutionary past, it still doesn't make it even close to the rule. If it were, we'd see it both in great apes and in present time hunter gatherer societies. And we don't.
Well, that's not exactly true, because great apes have different mating systems. Ape females in heat are a lot less discriminate, and so they have little reason to avoid having sex and even less so with powerful males. And even so btw they have plenty of ways to make sure their preferred mates get a considerable advantage. Rape, as a traumatic event for the woman probably arose at the same time as hidden ovulation and monogamous relationships.
[–]carrotplanter 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
These observations have led to the conclusion that infidelity is a natural occurrence in females, and evolutionarily advantageous, on the grounds that it will enable them to secure both the best genes and the best caregiver for their offspring.
Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks!
[–]__ROOSTER__ 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women need high value offspring, male and female. The female child of a high value man has high value mating options, which in turn means and extended network of options to take care of the mother in her old age.
A high value make child needs no explanation.
Women's biological imperative is for high value children so she will be taken care of when she's old.
Men don't plan on living after they are useful. Once our physical use is worthless we hope to have knowledge of use to trade to the tribe to keep us alive. Once we have nothing of use, we plan to cease to exist.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't buy it. I think that good looking faces are the average of the population (with maybe the exception of lips which are sexual sensory organs, so larger, the greater sexual sensation). Anything too far outside the average face carries a sickly stigma. After that all 'sexy' traits are connected to ability to protect and provide: Tall, broad shoulders, muscles. Same can be said of signs of age: baldness, grey hair, wrinkles imply a diminished ability to provide and protect, because you're old and weak.
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