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Update: A more contemporary ('06) research paper on mistaken paternity [1.7% if confident, 30% if unsure]

phx-au

August 21, 2013
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Title Update: A more contemporary ('06) research paper on mistaken paternity [1.7% if confident, 30% if unsure]
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Date August 21, 2013 5:46 AM UTC
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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This paints a fairer picture of the situation, and teaches a very important lesson: Don't ignore things you find suspicious.

[–]Party_Liquor 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I still think that paternity testing at birth should be madated by law. There is no downside to this policy.

In fact, the only argument against this policy would be to allow women the option to continue surreptitiously "gene shopping." So naturally, most women are highly offended at the mere suggestion of this policy and often respond with, "Don't you trust me?" Of course, if women know that any child they bear is going to be paternity tested then they know they'll be caught if they gene shop and, therefore, will be far less likely to try it.

Any woman who argues against this policy should be viewed as highly suspect because the only logical explanation is that she wants to keep her options open. I mean really, what is the harm if your husband/SO really is the dad...right?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Paternity testing should be the default.

I understand that some men might have privacy concerns – founded or unfounded – about having their DNA taken. If those concerns outweigh their concerns about paternity fraud, they should be obviously be allowed to opt-out.

Otherwise, it should be a routine blood draw.

[–]roe_4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...not to mention hospitals spend millions of dollars on procedures that make sure mothers don't take home the wrong baby. Paternity testing would simply be the male equivalent.

[–]sulopejur-2 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Has anyone explained why countries like France have banned paternity tests yet?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You know why.

[–]sulopejur-2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What reason did they give. What the real secret reason was I can bs about myself.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The French government keeps this ban in place arguing that not allowing men to find out whether their wives cuckolded them or not preserves the peace within French families.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/france-upholds-the-ban-on-paternity-tests/

[–]thegman843 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article was published in 2006, but it's actually a review of 67 previous publications. The problem is some of those publications are quite old. Table 1: Non-paternity Rates When Paternity Confidence is Relatively High

For example, 96% of the data sampled from the United States is more than 30 years old. In fact the non-paternity figure for the United States includes data published as far back as 1949!

This is absolutely NOT contemporary data.

I think it's safe to say that promiscuity rates have increased since 1949. Simultaneously, the availability of contraception has dramatically improved which I suspect would drive down non-paternity rates.

As your article notes, there have not been any random studies of the issue and so I don't think there is any way to estimate the actual rate.


More importantly.....

Paternity cheek swap mail-in test kits are available for less than $20 at Walgreens. Lab fees are around $130.

If you have even a shred of doubt, you might as well do a test.

[–]timdesuyo9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't like the term mistaken paternity... wouldn't paternity fraud be a better term?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

"Mistaken paternity" is a better term.

"Paternity fraud" is loaded and misleading, because it implies the mother is doing something wrong.

Other acceptable terms include "gifted paternity", "paternity mix-up", and "paternity oopsie".

[–]timdesuyo1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With the exceptions for times when the father knows the mother was having sex with many people... it's fraud.

[–]amatorfati1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How is telling someone that a child is theirs, when it is in fact not, not doing something wrong?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was being sarcastic. "Gifted paternity"?

[–]amatorfati1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...I'm facepalming so hard. My bad. I didn't read your comment closely enough, the sarcasm should have been obvious. Pretty funny, actually!

[–]timdesuyo1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I, also had to have it explained to me, and shall facepalm with you.

[–]Nutz760 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course it's paternity fraud. The only way it's "mistaken" if if she "oops, I forgot I banged that other dude." It's fraud if she doesn't make it known there are other possible guys who fathered the child. Deception by omission, if you will.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

Honestly, what a man should do when faced with dealing with kids that aren't his own is to apply the law in reverse. Fraud by law is defined as extracting money out of someone by false pretenses. Well lying about a kid to get child support or what not would count by the legal definition. Maybe if more mothers trying to take their husbands to court to support children that arent his faced that sort of a penalty they'd stop.

[–][deleted] 7 points7 points7 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My friends girlfriend was in a situation like this. She was not her "father's" kid. Her sister was though. He must have known on some level because he always treated her sister far better than her, supposedly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually I'd be surprised if 1.7% wasn't under the true rate. No doubt there is some self-selection bias in the 'confident' sample as well.

Also beta providers can be pretty decent father figures as well. It's commonly accepted here that having any father figure, even a beta father figure is better than having no father figure at all.

[–]Nutz760 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The real figure is between the extremes. I'd put the ballpark average at around 10%.

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