I thoroughly appreciate any theoretical debate. Especially when it comes to everyday applicable scenarios. I've enjoyed my time here lurking and reading the often good advice and occasional pipe dream of a reality that doesn't exist outside of a man's self-delusion. But I've concluded one thing at the end of the day from all of this with my own experience in application. We all want to get laid. That's a fact. And there's plenty of methods here to achieve that with your average woman. But I what I've learned and emphasize here is that any woman that's actually worth a damn this shit doesn't even matter and often backfires in detriment to the interaction with her. This advice is for whores, sluts, and legitimately dumb, uninteresting women. The more I moved up in my confidence and started to obtain dates with women that were actually interesting the more I was matched with ability on their end to not put up with this game we play as 'educated' men. And let's be honest, we can call it what we want, we can even make it about our own self improvement with ourselves, but at the end of the day it's a method that we've tried to implement to get laid. Hence a game. I'm not a hater. Far from it. This shit can and does work. I just want to point out that at some point, if and when you actually want a LTR with an equal this shit is all worthless outside of the first couple dates. If you have to do it beyond that then that girl was never worth it in the first place. Just some food for thought from a guy who has a girl that I fuck every day. A blowjob whenever I want. Will try literally anything I want to do inside and outside the bedroom. Cooks, cleans, and always looks her best. Most importantly is actually interesting. Don't get sucked into this too much fellas unless you want to be that 40 year old still at the bar still wearing Ed Hardy shirts and dressing like he's in his twenties. Just my two cents...