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Why does the tech media feel like we NEED more women writing code?

angry--napkin

August 5, 2014
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Title Why does the tech media feel like we NEED more women writing code?
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Upvotes 51
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Date August 5, 2014 9:02 AM UTC
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[–]Rpillacc 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

The agenda nowadays seems to be to achieve this dream goal of 50/50 gender split in every job, sport, etc.

The basis for this agenda is that men and woman do not have innate differences (everything is cultural). This is of course bullshit, therefore the agenda is bullshit.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The agenda nowadays seems to be to achieve this dream goal of 50/50 gender split in every job, sport, etc.

Except coal miners, garbage collectors, soldiers, etc.

But CEOs, doctors, members of congress, lawyers, software engineers? Absolutely.

[–]Rpillacc 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Idk about soldiers. Women are allowed in the infantry now. I give it a few years before they massively lower the fitness standards to 'accommodate' them and the US military's combat effectiveness plummets.

[–]dpape39 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women in the military generally is a bad idea, and that's not even because of physical differences but because of psychological effects on men. Here's a nice article about that.

[–]A_Roasted_Peanut5 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And yet whenever anyone intelligent comments on the far greater physical superiority of men, or men's natural tendency to protect women due to millions of years of evolution, it's "sexist".

You only have to look at the differences between male and female athletes to see the gaping advantages men have, and I'd expect it would be very similar in the military. This is before you consider the effect of women on unit cohesion, men possibly being more resilient psychologically to the stresses of combat, and so on.

[–]trialByException 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's already going on.This all comes down from Defense Secretary Panetta. Thanks obama.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mentioned soldiers because, as most of you know, women don't have to register for Selective Service System (i.e. conscription) in the USA. In some countries like Israel, they have to enter the service just like men.

[–]InflatableRaft 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Miners are well remunerated in Australia, so naturally there is a push to get more women into the mining industry too.

[–]angry--napkin[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fascinating. So if there's money involved, women want in?

[–]InflatableRaft 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True. As a woman, if you don't need a Beta to get your bucks, you can just chase Alphas ad decrepitus. It's also heavily encouraged by business in order to drive down the cost of labour.

[–]DrGmorkian 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just finished working on a mining camp. Probably 25% women in total but in the 2 years that i was there I only saw one woman on an underground crew.

[–]MrKnot 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Except coal miners, garbage collectors, soldiers, etc.

Yup. There are actually places in the world where feminsts campaign to let women be coal miners, but they are places where being a coal miner is a very well paying job compared to what else is available.

[–]Knight_of_autumn 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In many places, mining is a very well paying job. Mine sites tend to be in very remote areas and, despite the advancements in safety technology, are still extremely dangerous. There are mines below the arctic circle in Canada where people make in three months what I make in a year.

[–]skoobled 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Man you make an incredible point about underprivileged kids. Wtf with that? Goes to show western feminists only care about the needs of white middle class women

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]angry--napkin[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't upvote this enough times. Everything I was feeling wrapped up eloquently. Have a gold!

[–]A_Roasted_Peanut16 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

In the world of feminists, men can't ever be at a disadvantage. A black boy from a broken home is going to be considered to have the advantage over a white girl from an upper middle class family.

And even if they do admit it, it's also the men's fault.

[–]A_Roasted_Peanut 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I had a friend who wanted to learn how to code. After 3 months, he got paid employment doing just that.

How? Because instead of bitching, he took some courses to improve his skills. He busted his ass to learn and practice those skills working long hours each day. He had the drive and determination to achieve something, and then set about doing it.

Nothing stops these women from learning how to code, or write PHP, or learn networking themselves. I know this because I've done it myself, and I've seen plenty of others do it. You can learn a lot by yourself with all the resources online these days.

So what stops them? Simple, they're either too lazy or unwilling to do it. Meanwhile, the 16 year old teenager who got off his ass to learn PHP and web development in his spare time is considered a "loser". Yet a few years later, the same people deriding his efforts are bitching about a lack of women, and handing over money to the women who didn't give a fuck before.

You're a woman and want to get into the tech industry? Go and pick up a fucking textbook and learn, instead of whining for a cheque and complaining about how unfair it is.

[–]ForgotMyNameGG 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It IS unfair for women who want to actually succeed with their own merits.

Because of this whole affirmative action in the industry, can you imagine getting hired just because you're a female and not because of your skills. And then all the other females in the industry are happily riding on their positions that they got because they have a vagina.

Not all women are useless whiners, but too bad most of them are. The few that is silently busting their ass off will never escape the stigma imposed on them BECAUSE of other women. That shit just isn't fair.

[–]moosik85 33 points34 points35 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Its a ploy by big tech companies to drop/stagnate wages under the guise of equality etc. same principal as feminism in the 70s

More available workers = more power to employers.

[–]MrKnot 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its a ploy by big tech companies to drop/stagnate wages under the guise of equality etc. same principal as feminism in the 70s

Same shit with their lobbying for tech visas. Companies have been trying for a while to figure out a way to cut wages; for a few years the trend has been to import people from abroad who'd do the job for less and be more indebted to the company (on whose goodwill their visa also depends). Now they see an opportunity in creating a movement for women to be encouraged into STEM fields, increasing the available workforce through a mix of private investment and most importantly public programs target at them.

There are also the PR gains to be had with certain segments of society when you show you've helped women 'progress'.

Frankly, it's a good short-term business strategy. Long term I'm not so sure it's such a brilliant idea to push people who don't want a certan career into it, but of course only time will tell.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely right. The feel-good fem-sparkle brand halo effect will offset some of the costs (as a marketing expenditure) but I'd be really curious to see what their real underpinning ROI model is, and if it accounts for the long-term true costs and consequences. For example, from a shareholder's perspective, off-shoring does have it's place but it certainly didn't turn out to be the panacea it was once held to become - hard and expensive lessons had to be learnt.

[–]averageredpill 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Men tend to negotiate more and in this industry if you are unhappy you either will join a rival or start your own company very easily. Competition at its best. In this field (and probably any other for that matters) if you insert a woman into a project the males will change their behavior from competition to cooperation. And women settle for less than men, so it will drive wages down in the name of equality.

[–]PolishDistiller 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true, it's simple supply and demand. Ill add why we see this in tech instead of others.

Here are some reasons why you see this in tech compared to an other male dominated field like construction. (I work in the tech industry)

  1. (Betas) Tech industry is way more beta then lets say the construction industry. All those white knights give them a foot hold.

  2. (Pandering) There buyers market is half women, while in construction it is other men. Men build companies.

  3. (Mental Intelligence) It is obvious that men are superior in muscle mass then to women, hence a man can do more per hour then a women in psychical jobs. But tech is mental, so feminism sees the difference in gender hiring only being there due to discrimination. True or Not, they will fight and ignore math scores and/or visual spatial IQ discrepancies that are prominent mostly in higher intelligent males.

  4. (Social Media) They own this. All major sites cater to them due to there enormous CTR rate on adverts compared to men. Might ask who clicks on adverts, middle aged white women who have time to waste and money to burn. Same b-model as teleshopping.

[–]BoyMeetsHarem 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well sure, if you buy half of your oats after they've already been through the horse you're going to save a lot of money. Doesn't mean you're going to be pleased with the quality.

[–]Tarkleigh 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists somehow got fixated on IT/nerd culture in general and are now looking for any signs of sexism they can find there (probably because they ran out of other things to complain about). The number of female programmers is just one of the things they fixated on. And this "problem" is here to stay since women just aren't as interested in programming as men are, so the number will likely never be 50/50 and they will keep bitching.

Imo the real fault lies within the men of the Industry (which I am a part of though I do not live in the US). They drank the Kool-Aid the feminists have supplied and became their accessories in a move that could seriously damage the industry. If they had fought back and told the femnists to stop bullshitting (or just ignored them), the whole thing wouldn't be an issue just like nobody cares about the other male-dominated industries. By acknowleding it as a problem, they have placed themself in their mercy and if the past is any indication, their new overlords will never be satisfied. It is pathetic, but there is not much we can do. We can only hope it won't do too much damage.

[–]trialByException 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists somehow got fixated on IT/nerd culture in general and are now looking for any signs of sexism they can find their

It's just them indulging in hating and ridiculing stereotypically beta men. The feminist and political critiques are always found after the fact, they will find the stupidest, pettiest, most-hastily-justified PC excuses for why they hate nerds so much it doesn't matter to them because any excuse is good enough.

It's also about hamstering in their mind that not only do they deserve an IT beta bux boyfriend, but that they are

  1. infinitely morally superior to them, so the beta bux should constantly be whimpering in gratefulness.

  2. owed the beta bux boyfriend's money because of the sexism of the IT industry. this is the most important part. They don't really want to work in IT, maybe like 0.5% of those complaining do. It's all about coming up with an excuse about why they're owed 30% of your paycheck once they get into a relationship with you because of "discrimination" and how they haven't had the same opportunities afforded and they just had to major in sociology and then get a laid back administrative assistant job etc. etc.

[–]angry--napkin[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can honestly say I experience a very real sense of fear on a day-to-day basis. What if one of the females I manage hits me with a harassment charge for not kneeling to her demands? Even if I make it out of the proverbial he-said-she-said shit storm, my reputation won't solely due to the fact that the witch hunt in tech is on -- exactly how you described.

[–]skoobled 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

...and another point: I'm senior on the project I'm currently working on and had a hell of a time with the junior guy I'm working with. Basically he couldn't deal with (objective, non personal) critique in code reviews without taking it personally and getting upset. Basically reacting like an emotional women when my only goal was maximising the quality of his work. Goddam, if I was actually overseeing a real women... Shudder

[–]angry--napkin[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I've led 3 code reviews in the last 10 days. 2 were women -- 1 takes it for the unattached and non-objective critique it is, the other literally approaches me with 3 other women in tow later that same day to defend her work.

What.

[–]skoobled 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Basically had the latter problem, but with a guy :(

I can appreciate it's awkward and I've been in his position. But unless you are saying FUCK YOU SUCK HOW DID YOU GET THIS JOB? then it's for the receiver to receive professionally

[–]angry--napkin[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd advise you to inform him to take it like a man, but then you'd be sued and plastered all over Nancy Grace.

[–]skoobled 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The irony is the boss (also massive beta) took his side and decided to cut short my involvement in the project (not that I care, can walk into another job). Then the other guys gets offered another unrelated job and quits with a week's notice! Now he's backtracking whilst I'm on second interview for an attractive position

Dear, oh dear

Should make a post about the challenges of being rp in tech...

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[–]angry--napkin[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those were great reads. As a black male that was medicated with Ritalin for being a boy in Elementary school at the URGING of my teachers and school (I can't in good consciousness blame my parents, ADD was the bogeyman of the 90's) I know firsthand what it's like to be singled out. The war on boys is a thing and all of these completely ineffective and self-serving Twitter hashtags do nothing to belay that admission.

I can best summarize this behavior as childish. I have a toy you were not interested in. Perhaps you even made fun of me a bit for having the toy. Now that the toy is cool, you're going to emotionally and mentally manipulate me into feeling guilty for ever wanting the toy and make me feel ashamed accordingly. It's your toy now.

Once the toy isn't cool again, you'll give it back but won't apologize for tearing down my confidence or self-worth.

[–]ForgotMyNameGG 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This whole affirmative action with females in technology is completely bullshit. I have a female friend who graduated ECE with decent grades, hell better grades than I did (in CE), and even though she slaved away in undergrad just like the rest of us, she gets no fucking respect.

Many of her colleagues and even alumni constantly make jokes about how she got to where she is using her sex, which is completely bullshit. There are few women I respect, and seeing one of my best mates (literally the ONLY girl in ECE out of a class of 60+) get treated as a joke because of other women that climb up using their sex is just awful to watch.

What's going on right now with the pseudo-inflation of women in tech is essentially

  1. denying equal opportunity to males

  2. giving positions to females who aren't as qualified

  3. denying the opportunity to advance for females who actually want to succeed with their own merits

People honestly give way too much fucks about gender equality. I honestly don't know why these insecure betas in tech can't just focus on improving themselves instead of constantly knotting their panties about the fact that some women are actually capable. Now we get all this tangled gender bullshit in the industry that hurts both the male AND the females who are actually capable. Hurray.

[–]JasperPants 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure go for it. But insist on more male representation in K-12 education first.

Agree and amplify.

[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Removed. This belongs in /r/TRPOffTopic

[–]throw8way0 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

bsutansalt, this is throw8way0. Enjoy the orangered. It makes a nice change to the red.

[–]fatmoocow -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't it be nice to have some pussy mixed in with your neckbeard coworkers?

Seriously though the worst professor I had in college was a female who got a huge grant to study why women don't take technology jobs.

[–]MrKnot 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wouldn't it be nice to have some pussy mixed in with your neckbeard coworkers?

Nice for what? dating or even fucking coworkers is almost guaranteed to generate workplace drama, especially if there is a substantial amount of women in the office. And even assuming that all women in tech will be 10/10 models with voracious sex drives just looking to fuck one of their colleagues, not even that is worth additional workplace drama.

[–]skoobled 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

See my comments for thoughts on this

[–]angry--napkin[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The majority of them are capable, just like the majority of guys I work with are capable, so that's all I care about. Hell, the hot ones are a short walk upstairs in marketing and sales anyway. I don't need them writing shit code that I have to fix later on just because they were hired to fill a quota.

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