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Caught Mum Gaslighting (again)

IntoTheFade5

December 29, 2014
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Title Caught Mum Gaslighting (again)
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IntoTheFade5

Upvotes 0
Comments 12
Date December 29, 2014 8:07 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
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[–]Accountsofshame 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What's NPD, HPD and BPD? Google was less than helpful.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Histrionic Personality Disorder

Borderline Personality Disorder

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Dealing with crazy really is a whole kind of different level. The thing is, that even if you always stay calm, and don't engage in the drama, they'll come up with even bigger shit, until you crack.

There's a reason why we preach to stay away from them, which admittedly is difficult in your case.

I don't understand why my biological mother is trying to mindfuck me. What is her purpose?? What could she possibly gain from this?!

She's trying to bind you more to her by that.

It's like the classical gaslighting, where you constantly cannot find your keys and somehow your partner always manages to find them for you. "What would you do without me?"

It arises out of the fear of loosing you. Unfortunatly it might even get worse the older you get, because chances are rising, that you will leave soon.

How old are you? Any chances of getting out soon?

[–]IntoTheFade5[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No chance of getting out soon. Our culture doesn't really allow for that until a 2-5 year gap after.

What's the fastest and most effective way to unwind twisted logic?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

With women? With crazy women? With that parricular woman having the leverage of power in your relationship, as your mother?

I'd really advise stoicism in this case. Learn to ignore it, without turning your blind side to it. Be aware when she's fucking with you, but I personally wouldn't even bother calling her out.

I don't see how you can possibly win this battle right now. The only way seems to be by not playing the game.

As you know, woman like drama, and people with those disorder nees it in particular. It's their way of forming bondings.

I beleive that you can only try to get through as fast as possible, move out, and cut contact to a minimum.

I'll try to summon /u/illimitableman, since he is much more well-informed, at least when it comes to narcissism.

I am curious to know, which culture you are living in.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've chimed in.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No chance of getting out soon. Our culture doesn't really allow for that until a 2-5 year gap after.

Are you legally able to get out? Then fuck your culture, get out. This shit is poisonous.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What could she possibly gain from this?!

Control issues. Possibly abandonment. Can't say for certain. Narcs view their kids as their property, and as their genetic legacy, an extension of their ego. Also: you may have to just put it down to shitty genetics (and hope you haven't inherited them from her) some people are crazy purely for the fuck of it and have no rational reasoning for their lunacy. They either suffered a traumatic event, or they are simply loopy due to shitty genetics.

What's the fastest and most effective way to unwind twisted logic?

I wouldn't bother. Just agree with her in words, but do the opposite in action. When she points it out, gaslight back. "Remember you said X mum, not Y!" when she disagrees, give her a little kiss or something, tell her you love her (she is probably insecure as fuck) and then do what you need to do in spite of her protests. Placate her, but don't fall into her bullshit reality for a second. When you can get out, do.

[–]Accountsofshame 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If these braces are being paid for by your mom then she may not be too keen on you getting them. If you are paying, then she may be confusing the issue for any number of reasons.

[–]IntoTheFade5[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am sorry, but it is not that simple. She has gaslighted me many times before, more than enough for me to realize that it is not simply a memory defect but a deliberate attempt to reconstruct her own memory. I've already gotten involved with several cluster B personalities (some diagnosed, some undiagnosed) because I am inherently drawn to personalities similar to her. It is NOT confusion.

[–]Redrog10 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Clinical narcissists and other borderline personalities are crazy. They ultimately have their reasons to do what they do but its both so retarded and complicated that is not worth loosing sleep over it. Your mother is malicious to you, that's enough for you to know.

When someone is gas lighting you the best answer is to treat them like a child that is trying a stupid lie on you. Calmly and politely acknowledge what she said (don't agree just acknowledge you hear her) and proceed to ignore it. When she asks a follow up, just state what you are going to do anyways. Don't discuss her objections. Repeat variations that you have hear her but you have decided to do X.

Its very important that you understand her only objective is to hurt you and try to not go into rage. Train your brain to acknowledge that's all your mother can offer you and raging will only please her.

This is something hard to realize. These personalities get off from getting you moody. They are so miserable that they feel powerful by fucking with people that trust them to some degree. So in the last exchange, believe it or not, she won. She got you to discuss, justify yourself, etc... She felt powerful over you. Sure, you held your ground and opposed it, denying her part of her joy. But getting you rattled is good enough for her. I understand its a process and not backing up was a good first step, but understand that you need to go further and learn how not to rage to her. She enjoys it.

With time you'll come to realize you can not trust anything she says. Because when she says the truth she just gets you to lower your defenses to get to you later on. And you don't have time or energy to fact check everything she says. So best policy is to assume everything she said is potentially malicious.

I know you don't want to have this type of relationship with your mother, your child instincts are telling you that if you do more for her she will love you and she has her reasons. But if she really has a borderline personality that goes out of the window. Her crazy comes before her mother instincts and she will abuse your trust and hurt you for her pleasure. You need to adapt to your reality.

[–]IntoTheFade5[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

After thinking it through I believe it's not just a sense of power but also inherent laziness at play. In the past I've seen her neglect memory and her repeated excuses have been 'it's not worth the trouble'.

Indeed, why is it even worth the trouble to remember something accurately if you can invent your own version and people pander to you because of your position as a woman?

Is there any way to beat her at her game? There is no way I can just deal with acknowledging her only because repeated exposure will pull me back under (it's done so before), and I am unable to leave the house at this present moment. What's the fastest and most effective way to unwind twisted logic?

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