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How do you gain discipline?

silver_nuke13 · 2015-11-02T08:51:40+00:00

I feel like trying to control thoughts with thoughts is like trying to lift myself by the bootstraps. How do i gain emotional discipline, since my suprarenals...

silver_nuke13

November 2, 2015

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Title	How do you gain discipline?
Author	silver_nuke13
Upvotes	2
Comments	10
Date	November 2, 2015 8:51 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askTRP
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[–]RacialRealism0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Martial Arts is the best source for self discipline.

I find that I am pushed harder and more to my limits in martial arts then lifting. When I lift I can get to what I think is my last possible rep and be like nice I did a good job.

In martial arts your training partner doesn't give a fuck if you're on your "last breath" you still have to keep fighting or get beat. Then you look over at the clock and realise you have another 15 minutes of this shit, despite thinking you hit your failing point 5 minutes ago.

I do martial arts Aikido and once a year they hold a hajime class (which just translates to 'go') which is a class based around the type of martial arts people would train back in the 1950's in Japan. Only back then it was everyday.

My personal best for pushups in a row was 100. After I did that class I was forced to do 500. That only took 15 minutes and the class goes for 2.5 hours. I was seeing stars about to pass out. Other things we did where "duck walks". Duck walk, squat into the lowest possible position so your ass is 1inch off the ground, know walk about 200m this way. Holy fuck my legs. That and just endless, endless amounts of technique throwing. Some years he makes people sit in seiza (sit on your knees) for 30 minutes, this doesn't even have anything to do with martial arts it just hurts like a fucking bitch like your leg is about to snap in half.

Afterwards I couldn't stand up for 15 minutes with cramps not allowing my legs to straighten.

Yup, in my opinion the best way to gain emotional discipline is through the mastery of physical pain. After that it's like rejection? failure? awkwardness? studying 10hrs a day for 2 weeks straight? I've had worse. Personally I couldn't achieve this with lifting because I am too easy on myself generally but in a dojo you really have no choice, I mean the attitude is if you take a break or are getting tired, you simply need to be hit harder to wake you up! Sometimes you yawn from low blood sugar or whatever and then they just smash you more like "yea that will wake you up!". Push your body to the limits and your mind will follow.

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[–]RacialRealism0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There are many types of Aikido and I will readily admit that a lot of them are not combat effective. Ai Ki is probably the worst culprit, being closer to tai chi then a martial art seeing as uke never actually touches.

I do yoshinkan Aikido which was created by gozo shioda. It is considered 'military' style of Aikido because it uses regimented drills and hard training. All tokyo riot police are required to have a black belt in yoshinkan aikido.

Aikido is very regimented and you will never officially spar with any one on the mats. It's all regimented drills. However many times we would "play" fight which essentially comes down to a black belt saying "try and hit me" and then without using any kind of techniques or tricks you just try and punch them in the head but I never did anything other then get my face mushed into the mats.

It's hard to explain but the fake-looking regimented techniques are trying to teach your body how to move, muscle memory type stuff. The theory being in the real world the only thing you can rely on is muscle memory, so when someone goes to strike you, you instinctively go into the strike and block / defuse the force. Then you just do a dirty version of the first technique that comes to mind, but most will break bones if you try hard enough.

That being said I don't do martial arts to learn how to fight.

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[–]RacialRealism0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Confidence and calmness is kind of wrapped up into discipline. The term they use is budo.

"The modern budō has no external enemy, only the internal enemy, one's ego that must be fought"

Budo essentially means mastery of the self and ones ego. Living with a budo philosophy means you are constantly analysing your weaknesses in order to elimanate them.

A very rough example is at the end of the class, you line up with another member of the dojo and stare each other in the eyes while sitting in seiza. This lasts about 30 seconds, and you can not make any kind of facial expression.

Many people who first join the dojo cannot look you in the eye because they feel as if a mirror is being reflected on them and they feel ashamed of themselves, or self-concious. This is usually the first thing students master in that you allow someone else to take you in for what you are, without looking away.

Most budo training is subtle and it is actively practised in the dojo with the assumption it will be taken elsewhere. Someone cuts you off in traffic, someone is disagreeing with you on something you know is right, even stuff like getting up early. If you acknowledge budo then you make it your responsibility to analyse your own actions and how to improve them.