This is about kino and maintaining attraction.

I was under the impression that kino is always a good thing, as long as she's receptive to it. However, I've had a few dates recently where I initiated kino and escalated, and they were very receptive to it. But later on after the date, they decide that it was too much, or I was too forward, and I end up never seeing them again.

I should say I'm not necessarily trying to hook up with these girls on the first date, as I'm currently more interested in getting repeat dates and building attraction, and I don't usually get those from an ONS.

Obviously, this post was spawned from a recent date, where she was receptive, we got along great, made out, 2nd base, etc. But when I tried setting up the next, she told me that I was just too physically forward with her.

So my question is: What is the right amount of Kino, what types, how fast do you guys escalate, and how long does it take to go from 1st to 2nd to 3rd base, or butt, etc. when you're on a 1st date, trying to get more?

Or how far should you escalate on a first date when you actually want more of them?