I've been lurking here for a while and decided I would comment my first question. Part of the red pill in my mind is not apologizing for your actions and being forceful with your word and body language. A month ago I went on a date with a 17 year old. I'm 19 btw. We had dinner, then decided to see a movie. In the movie I made a move. She completely rejected me. I heard from her friends that she said I went way to fast, and it made things awkward. Fast forward to now. I went out with a girl who was a bit more open sexually. I met her at a bar and we made out for a least a half an hour. I invited her back to my room and she said she couldn't be she was with her friends. So the next day I invited her to dinner. She accepted. After dinner I grabbed her hand and started walking back to my room. She stopped me and said that she wanted to go back to her room.

I'm curious about speed. Is making a move too early a huge turnoff for woman. I kept thinking that if I was dominant that she would be into it. I also kept thinking that all girls want to fuck, because AWALT. Do you have to diagnose the girl first. How do you know when she is ready?