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[–]Bland-Username 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I didnt read much of this, but I think I get where OP is getting at.
Don't be a troll. This is just annoying as shit to people. Be you, and nobody else.
Outcome independence is good, but don't use it as an excuse to be a dick to others.
[–]phot0zs[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I think I should add some examples. Nothing you do should come off as "annoying as shit to people", you may annoy people, but they dont think that YOU are the source of that annoyance. See what I mean? They are uncomfortable but they dont apply the blame to you personally, if you are a good enough troll.
A troll just makes people think, you want people to have a pause....and think....reaction.
If you are met with any agression you did it wrong.
Pause. Think. And then they keep engaging with you, they are facinated with you and have no clue why.
[–]Colonel_McKernel 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm honestly quite tipsy right now, but I'm still sure this guy is talking nonsense, right?
[–]IWriteForGroupies 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are correct.
[–]phot0zs[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The point is that you are in the drivers seat. Not anyone else. So you dictate what you are doing and saying and you dont care what peoples reactions are.
The specific word troll is I guess a horrible choice of word because I have been on the internet forever and trolls werent always defined the same way.
[–]IWriteForGroupies 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Be an internet troll.
A hobby of mine is blocking trolls or destroying their social media life. You have to be skilled troll to survive on the internet and even more skilled to survive in real life.
Walk into that room full of people and pretend they are users on reddit.
I treat my brothers and sisters from reddit real good. They help me pass time when I am bored.
Here is how to be a successful troll in real life:
I don't want to be a troll.
Awkwardness is an uncomfortable situation that no one knows how to respond to.
This is a common technique used in manipulation. It is often used to break a person's thought pattern or behavior.
Always have an excuse, an escape.
This is starting to sound a lot like manipulation, but I am no expert.
They are naïve, vulnerable.
I think you been reading some interesting stuff. Underestimating your opponent or target is not always a good thing.
I found this internet troll mindset to be a more effective way to have outcome independence.
If you say so.
Ignore social rules, but take social cues. Don't be a complete weirdo with this advice.
Are you sure you understand trolling?
What you want to do is subtlely exert power over people. Subtle. You are invoking reactions out of people. Manipulating them.
This is something that a lot of cults do. I don't think your advice is meant for this subreddit.
You will feel more natural talking to any stranger anywhere if you picture them as some victim on the internet you are about to troll.
You just used the word victim. Think about this. Its like people are prey. I no longer know if you are playing with a full deck.
What you can do now is take that confidence you get from trolling men and women, and switching to focus on women you want to fuck.
You gone get some dumb redditer sent to jail.
Nothing else matters more than self improvement.
Sometime what people call self improvement is the opposite.
Please people, do not follow the instructions from this troll
[–]phot0zs[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I get what you are saying, but you are defining troll incorrectly.
You are imagining the RELENTLESS ALWAYS NEGATIVE troll of the current year. Back in the old days before the internet was mainstream, trolls were social engineers. Not annoying forces of negativity.
[–]IWriteForGroupies 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Have you read what you have typed? Its just a watered down version of manipulating people to get a certain outcome.
[–]phot0zs[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Not exactly, you want to create awkward situations and observe what happens. You notice patterns if you do it enough and that cause and effect is just as good as direct manipulation. Its just not starting off as manipulative until you purposely decide to invoke certain reactions.
It's like owning a gun and only using it at the shooting range.
[–]IWriteForGroupies 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You might want to work on your wording. I have read over 50 books on manipulation and you are coming very close to the line of manipulation. Either way I understand what you are saying.
[–]phot0zs[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Agreed it is an attempt at summarizing some of my recent expiriences. I went out to bars and when there were awkward silences, I just starred. Didn't do anything to break the awkward silence, just let it be awkward.
I started to like how it made me feel more comfortable around people so I extrapolated and very carefully introduced awkward situations by calmly asking questions about obvious insecurities, and helping people get through their awkwardness by putting them into this awkward conversation topic, and letting it be awkward. Usually people have a much stronger memory of you when you invoke a large emotional roller coaster like talking about an insecurity.
The excuse or plausible deniability is your confidence. Your face doesnt give away anything to suggest you are being "mean" or malicious.
You are still a troll for brining up obvious insecurities...
[–]IWriteForGroupies 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't remember if it was Toastmasters or speech class that taught me everything you are speaking of. Either way what you are doing is not trolling.
The first thing you are doing is an ice breaker. It is not trolling, it something that a lot of people do in common communication.
[–]futmut 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To do what your telling us you have to be extremely capable first, reading cues saying certain things expecting their responses and having the right answer means you have to be extremely skilled which then kills the purpose of this troll thing since your already good and dont need to do this stupid troll move..
[–]Lead ModeratorThrowawayPUA 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Outcome independence" is not a valid excuse for antisocial behavior.
Outcome independence means you have tried your best, there is nothing more you could have done to improve the outcome, the rest is up to other people, so you have no regrets about the outcome.
It most definitely does NOT mean you are entitled to treat people like shit because it amuses you.
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