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[–]BestSC86 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don't find relationship material girls at clubs....
Unless you happen up on a unicorn who just happens to have stumbled into the club for one night with some of her girls....but then that girl isn't likely to be making out with a random dude in a booth at the club.
That is why all the PUA guys stress pushing the interaction as far as possible that night....because by Monday or Tuesday when they have recovered from the weekend...their focus is already on the next weekend at the clubs and the score of new, interesting dudes who they might meet....not on the retreads from the previous weekend. About as much as you can hope to gain is if you see her out again the next Friday it might make the Fuck close a little easier since she has some sort of comfort in knowing that you are not some stalker newbie who would take a kiss\fuck at the club as a marriage proposal.
Club girls are notoriously flaky.
[–]BlackPyro 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I game on Friday's or Saturday's. Sometimes both sometimes one day or not at all.
Keep being consistent, and go out even when you don't feel like it. Pickup is like muscle, the ore you train your skills, the easier it will get.
I usually get a make out if i even bother opening girls.
This is a good sign. My theory is that you're doing well enough in the attraction phase to get makeouts, but you should be looking to escalate further. As counterintuitive as it sounds, sometimes it's better to hold off on the makeout. By doing this, you prevent her from fulfilling any sexual desires she may momentarily have in the midst of the BT spike. Sometimes girls just want to get their rocks of by making out with a random guy at the bar/club. Your objective is to play around with spiking her buying temp so that you entice her to want more than a makeout. She's the cat, and you are the string. My advice would be to sprinkle in some rapport building for next time. Share some conversation in between attraction building so that you build comfort with her, which will make a potential pull, or atleast a solid number close easier.
But after that make out, I was very happy until the day I texted her and she didn't reply back. That applies to 80 percent of the girls I make out with. They just flake. They may grab your dick or whatever but they just dont reply. And that sucks big time. All this hope that a girl gives you, that she might actually be your girlfriend and you are about to settle for a while, is gone the next day.
But after that make out, I was very happy until the day I texted her and she didn't reply back. That applies to 80 percent of the girls I make out with. They just flake. They may grab your dick or whatever but they just dont reply. And that sucks big time.
All this hope that a girl gives you, that she might actually be your girlfriend and you are about to settle for a while, is gone the next day.
Flakes come with the territory, my friend. Expect a good number of interactions to end in flakes. Like I said before, many girls can get their rocks off just simply making out with a rando on Friday night,so keep your chin up. As for the girlfriend thing, let's take baby steps here. Rome wasn't built in a day, and it's going to take time for your skills to improve. You got the attraction phase down, you can get makeouts, now let's see if you can get a lay. Optimistically a same night lay, but a Day 2 isn't the end of the world either.
Build rapport and put a life behind that face. Make conversation, move around the venue or just change venues if her friends allow it.
If the set is going good and you guys are vibing, a makeout here and there won't hurt to raise the BT, but always remember to stay on objective: pulling for the f-close.
Good luck
[–]throwawaylilbastard 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Detailed answer. Even I needed to know. Thank you.
But what is rapport? And how do I build it?
[–]BlackPyro 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rapport is what will get her comfortable enough with you in order to build an emotional connection. If she gets the vibe that you are someone who sees her for who she really is, then you’ll disarm a lot of her ASD.
You can build it in a multitude of ways.
Mirroring of body language is a useful trick; people in deep rapport tend to mirror one another's postures, e.g. leaning against a wall, drinking with hands on the same side of the table, at the same time. This is also a good time to throw in some light kino as well.
You can start asking her about herself, in a way that sounds like you're seeing how many ticks she's getting on your check-list. The 20 questions game in perfect for this, as you guys can go back and forth with it to reveal bits and pieces of each other's lives.
Revelations of vulnerability is also good, but do so in a way so that you still display high value; stories are good for this, like if there was a time you were in a car crash or some other dangerous situation but you ended up resolving the conflict by your own means.
You can talk about past relationships sometimes, hell even ask what's the best sex they've ever had if you feel daring and the vibe has been going going good for a while. Thats always a fun topic, it gets them back to that point in time and gets them all excited, which will help with reinforcing you into a sexual frame.
Another tie-in to the previously stated point could be future projections. Basically, you share a fantasy about anything exciting: taking a trip, going on an adventure, getting married, you name it. Have fun with it and be extravagant. Women tend to feel emotions stronger than we do, so if you can get her really imagining this wonderful future with you, she’ll get the emotional kick as if it really happened. Be light and fun with it.
The methods are various, but the main objective is putting a personality and life behind the face she's making out with. By doing that you are more than just a makeout machine for her to get her rocks off with.
Keep sarging on and bring us some lay reports.
[–]domino1995 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lots will flake naturally. You haven't made more than a physical connection, you need to connect on an emotional and mentally stimulating level. I'd try and stay away from the dance floor more
[–]JYandeau 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They flake because they were hammered at the time & only liked you in that current moment. Chances are when they wake up they won’t remember who the fuck you are anyways.
Like they other guy said, don’t get numbers, bring them back to your place, hit it then quit it.
[–]AwsmJstn 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a guy who has the opposite issue of talking to one chick for far too long at the club, but who get the replies/dates, spend the time to make the connection.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The issue is that you're trying to look for a girlfriend in a club -- just to be frank, women usually don't go to clubs to enter a long-term relationship.
What you have to ask yourself is what your idea woman is who'd be interested in a long-term relationship, and where they would go. So maybe they'd go to an art gallery because you like artistic women, so you go to that. Or maybe you like women who are fit, so you could meet them at a yoga place or a gym.
So these aren't going to be women that'll makeout with you several minutes after talking with. The issue is that there's an incongruency here -- you're going to the club to find a girlfriend, while women (in general) go to clubs to have fun and let loose without any further responsibilities.
IF you haven't yet, read "Models" by Mark Manson. Also understand that only gaming in clubs, while it might get you one-night stands, probably won't get you a long-term relationship.
[–]PNRisTheWayToPlay 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you have to be 10/10 in every facet for a girl that you actually like to talk to you after that night. i wouldn't sweat it. club game is pretty lame, just have fun regardless.
most people date within friends.
[–]node202fighter 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Isn't this related to not building enough comfort like mystery have said several times? How long did you talk to her and what did you guys talk about? Did you bounce her and took her to another venue/isolate her from her friend?
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Carrying this attitude into a club, is going to repulse a lot of girls.
Even the ones that might ultimately be down for a relationship, are going to a club for FUN. Not seriousness.
But if you go in with fear and desperation at all, they'll almost smell it on you.
If you can't go to the club simply to enjoy dancing and hanging with your friends, you ought to consider different ways to meet people.
And there are so many options:
Hash runs. Trail running + beer + fit people = win
Couchsurfing meets. Hang with travelers and people who like to be around travelers.
Social partner dancing. Salsa, Tango, Lindy hop, West coast swing, etc. You really can't go wrong. Learn something fun and have an excuse to be close to a girl in a fun and non-threatening way.
Download the Meet-up app. Scan for groups near you that you share an interest with.
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