First dates are an under discussed topics on seduction forums, whether you get a first date with a particular girl is largely out of your control; no matter how good your game is, other factors largely decide if a girl is going to agree to go on, and actually show up for a date. But once she shows up your actions and behaviors are by far the biggest determinants of success. In other words if you approach a girl in a bar, or a coffee shop, or tinder and get rejected, there's a very high chance that there's nothing you could have done to get her interested in you, HOWEVER if you're constantly getting rejected after dates YOUR BEHAVIOUR is likely the problem.

And for most girls, to sleep with them you're going to have to go on at least one date.

So how do you not fuck it up? Well...

Logistics

Logistics are everything, and once you know what you're doing gamewise, bad logistics are going to be the easiest thing to get in your way. Ideally you should set your dates between Sunday-Thursdays night between 7-830. Weekend dates should be avoided as they suggest you don't have anything better to do, and girls are much likelier to flake on weekends. You can do weekend dates if a girl suggest the time, and she has recently moved to the city, although I'd still make backup plans. The only good thing about weekend dates is that since both of you likely don't have work in the morning, it'll be easier to bring her back.

The venue should be a bar that you guys can sit side by side, it should be as close to your house as possible. The music should be quiet enough that you can easily have a conversation.

Around 3-5 on the day of the date, text her asking to push back the time of the date 15-30 minutes because you're running late. This will flush out any flakes and sometimes make girls less likely to flake as they are already likely feeling rushed.

Conversation

Once she arrives, order your first round of drinks, giving her recommendations if you're familiar with the menu, lead her to you designated sitting area were you will sit side by side. Do not sit too close to her at this stage.

The goal of conversation should be the talk about yourself as little as possible. 20/80 is the ideal ratio of you to her talking. Only time you need to speak if to ask a question, make a comment, or inject humor. If she asks you questions, quickly answer them with as little details as possible and move the conversation back to her.

While doing this your body language should be stoic, smirk but don't smile, limit movements in general and keep strong eye contact when talking to her.

Questions that you'll ask her should first be informational(What do you do?), and then be emotional(Why do you do X?). Every answer gives you more information about what type of person she is, or at least she wants to portray she is. And with that you can ask another question. Inject humor to keep the mood light.

Make sure that you don't interrupt her answers, a lot of men are terrible at this. If you think she's done talking, count to 3 mississippi, before saying anything. Let her fill the silences.

*Physical Escalation

Around 1 hour to 1:30 into the date you need to begin physically escalating. The physical escalation should match the emotional escalation of the discussion, there's plenty of information on kino on this forum but the important thing is you show some form of interest. I'd recommend putting your arm around her as a starting point. It's more important that you do it than it be smooth.

You should apply the sister test to your date: If by the end of the date you haven't done anything to her physically you wouldn't do to your sister you've failed. Women need some physical escalation to feel the "spark" of sexual attraction.

To Kiss or Not to Kiss? I've heard various viewpoints on this, but if I do kiss a girl in public it likely be very light.

When you get good at this you'll notice a lot(maybe 1 out of 4) of women will kiss you first on the first date, especially if you have your arm around her.

In anycase heavy makeout sessions are not a good idea because some women will feel like they've gotten all of the validation they need and it spikes ASD making it harder to bring them back. Not to mention it can look sloppy.

The Close

Around hour two, you should decide where you want this date to end up, if you have the chance the bring her back, I'd go for it. If she mentions she doesn't have to get up early tomorrow, has consumed 2 or more alcoholic drinks, asks "where are we going next", or generally seems eager in any other way, I'd absolutely go for it, those are as forward as you can expect most girls to get, and if some girls put themselves out there and you don't close the deal, they'll feel slighted and not give a second chance even if they were attracted to you.

To bring her home, come up with some non-sexual excuse to go back to your place that gives them plausible deniability. If you don't want to bring her back, let her know you had a good night, and nothing more than that. Don't try to plan the second date or mention the possibility of any future hangout during the first date, including the end, unless she suggest it, in which case you should agree to it.

That's it. A lot of guys fuck up first dates, but the keys to success are simple.

  • Simple/cheap dates that are low investment and let you get to know her in an environment where escalation is easy.

  • Keep her emotions the center of the conversation, 20/80 is the ideal talking ratio. Insert humor to keep light hearted. Guide the conversation but speak as little as possible. Don't interrupt.

  • Physical escalation in necessary, but it must be preceded by her emotionally opening up.

  • If she puts herself out there by kissing you, kinoing you, suggesting you hangout afterwards, or suggesting a second date, reciprocate/accept her offer. It's a big deal for girls to put themselves out there so let her know that when she does, she'll be rewarded.

Remember, with first dates LESS IS MORE.