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[–]makechangegreatagain 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women have been "liberated" for only a very small section of time in the vast history of humans. For most of history, women were oppressed and therefore had to keep urges like this hidden in order to avoid punishment.
When men find out the secret that women aren't all wonderful.. They lose motivation to get shit done. Society operates better when they wear this "good girl" mask and men are more leader-like and dominant.
Look at the religious texts from ancient times.. The bible has the notion "nature of the beast" it refers to human's state when they do not live up to the expectations of the religious order. For the record, I'm not religious at all, but I think to deny millennia of wisdom for a few mistakes here and there (it was written by man after all) is foolish. Anyway, nature of the beast is the savage state where humans pretty much just act on their natural impulses at all times and have no religious or moral direction to "set them straight". Religion's sole purpose is to better the lives of humans and refine their direction from this "nature of the beast" state.
Real life is not a cute cartoon kid's story. Real life can be pretty shitty, unfair, and unforgiving. But guess what? No one cares. So learn to cope, deal with it, and be happy with what you have or aspire to work harder for more even when the odds are stacked against you.
Men get friend zoned because they reject their masculine nature and duties to lead. They act "nice" and talk in this feminine kind of way subconsciously reflecting the woman's behavior and thus demonstrating she's leading the interaction. They're looking for a relationship with a mother-like figure rather than a girlfriend. Women want a man who leads them. A man who doesn't cave in to her shit testing (or as I like to think of it "fitness testing / authenticity). This isn't a bad thing, it's just a simple way for her to screen and make sure you're not some fake ass loser. Also, this gets way easier if you get into good athletic shape, and gain some confidence through general achievements with your life.
By the way, you should be screening women yourself if you want an actual healthy relationship and not just a piece of arm candy to say "I hit that pussy bro" to your friends. Most of the guys who get fucked over and emotionally wrecked are the ones who don't screen women before they give them LTR status. They're desperate. They treat these vapid women like queens just because they look good and think they're not reinforcing her shitty behaviors. You should be more frustrated with guys like this than the vapid woman because he's the leader and he's teaching her that it's okay to act that way.
That being said, this shit really destroys a lot of men and it's bullshit that we end up feeling like we're to blame and ending up all alone with that pain.
This is just victim mindset. The guy gets destroyed because he was thinking too much with his dick instead of his brain. Robbing a bank will destroy your freedom if you get caught but that's the robber's fault for doing it in the first place.
[–]makechangegreatagain 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]Fuzzybutt142 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Yea, I've been to the red pill subreddit too. It's black and white thinking at it's most dangerous. You have no empathy for men anymore, none of you over there do, and it's actually because you're rejecting the side of yourself that had this done to you. An inverse of master/slave morality. You're completely rejecting the person you were that got enslaved by a woman, and in doing so you're also rejecting the good aspects of that person. You're not enlightened, you've just switched teams. And you're projecting the weak guy that got used (yourself in the past), who's still inside of you, onto others. You're lack of empathy and disgust is a deflection to prevent you from turning these feelings on yourself. It's not your fault because after you got fucked over, society probably offered you no empathy and then told you it was your fault for being too nice, so it's logical a dude would assume women didn't like kindness anymore after that. But you're in danger of developing narcissism. You got wounded and now you've invented a false self (based on societal expectations) to cover up your true wounded self, and you're projecting those wounds onto other men, which is making them do the same.
Women want someone who holds as many good attributes as possible, it's simple. They like confidence, they like dominance (not all the time), they like kindness , they like honesty, they like vulnerability (but also the ability to be stoic when needed), they like playfulness, they like toughness, sometimes they like to lead, sometimes they like to follow...they LIKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AND CONFLICTING THINGS. I like all types of women, submissive ones, dominant ones, playful ones, uptight ones. Women are no different.
This red pill shit is bordering on cult status. Seriously wonder if men get traumatized because some girls uses them so hard and they fuckin dissociate and cling to some half-assed theory that other heartbroken dudes are offering.
[–]makechangegreatagain 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You have no empathy for men anymore, none of you over there do, and it's actually because you're rejecting the side of yourself that had this done to you.
Oh, is that why TRP actively promotes men working on themselves to be better and achieve what they want in life? If they had no empathy for men the subreddit wouldn't exist to begin with. It was founded on the idea that there's a large portion of "lost boys" in our world today that need direction.
You're completely rejecting the person you were that got enslaved by a woman, and in doing so you're also rejecting the good aspects of that person.
"Enslaved by a woman"? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound right now? And people like you call TRP "misogynistic"..
The only thing guys who get sucked into this stuff are a slave to are their penis, a sexy body, and happy endings. Maybe I was a bit harsh saying "it's his own damn fault" to quote the great Jimmy Buffet, but at the end of the day these experiences can be good for you because it teaches you how to vet people and make sure they're not bullshit artists.
The good aspects of the man who got sucked in by a vapid woman? Or the vapid woman herself? Why even care about her "good aspects" if she makes you unhappy? Just break up and let it be.
Women want someone who holds as many good attributes as possible, it's simple. They like confidence, they like dominance (not all the time), they like kindness (but also the ability to be stoic when needed), they like honesty, they like vulnerability, they like playfulness, they like toughness, they LIKE A LOT OF DIFFERENT AND CONFLICTING THINGS.
Huh.. Sounds like you might have visited the red pill.. Because that's generally what they talk about.
Look.. I don't hate women, I'm not a neck beard and I'm doing pretty well with my life right now. I don't think all women are evil narcissistic creatures either. I have female friends who I don't sleep with and I don't think they owe me sex I genuinely enjoy hanging out with them.
The friend zone is a complete myth and mindset of men who think and act like victims. Men who need to learn to take hold of the reins of their own life who probably never had any kind of descent masculine direction.
I'm not here to defend or argue the rules of TRP.. I don't really care to. All I'm saying is, you can keep living in la-la-land and obsessing over "the friend zone" if you want. Or you can come to terms with the fact that it's a thing that's totally manufactured out of a mix of desperation and being simply unattractive (looks and personality) in a general sense and do something about it.
[–]Fuzzybutt142 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Empathy is the ability to feel someone elses emotions and walk in their shoes. To feel someone elses hurt. What you're talking about is advice. General advice based on generalizations with no personal sacrifice involved. That's not empatyh. Empathy is talking to a friend about their depression. Empathy is feeling your friend's depression. Empathy is crying over someone elses pain
Enslavement was hyperbole but not far from the truth honestly. It's perfectly socially acceptable to demonize a man controlling a woman for sex, yet unthinkable for a man to accuse a woman of using him for feelings. People attack when you bring this up, mostly women, but men who have surrendered everything they are in order to be what women say they want (which is not what they actually want) are also guilty of this. I wonder why we reject it so hard? Couldn't be because we repressed these thoughts to keep our schemas intact?
And about the friend zone. If you've never interacted with a narcissistic of sociopathic woman, then you wouldn't have ever seen the behavior that causes this in it's harshest form. Look up; triangulation, love-bombing, idealization, devaluation, silent-treatment, managing down relationship, somatic narcissism as a start for how these women operate. In doing so, you'll notice that all people do these things in relationships and you'll understand that the difference between the friend-zone and a pathological need to control and lead on men lies in the woman's circumstances, as in manipulation comes from a need to adapt which only happens if someones circumstances get really bad. I have seen women act in ways you can't even imagine. Amazingly manipulative and subtle and I know these women have fucked over a lot of men. 2% of the population is NPD or ASPD (sociopathy, psychopatyh), which means 340 million people worldwide who take sadistic pleasure in causing distress to people they don't like. Combine that with the internet. And you have a bunch of of vulnerable, heartbroken men getting strung along and destroyed by the modern equivalent of a succubus. And then being told it was their fault for being too weak. They say Hitler got rejected by a jewish woman in his youth and I honestly wonder sometimes if he wasn't toyed with by some sociopath and the part of his compulsive need for power was basically a need to overcompensate for his wounded mascuinity. Some of the things this sociopathic woman said to me still ring around my head to this day. You don't know what you're talking about and you've lost your individuality by buying into group think. You don't think it's group think because it's the inverse of the standard male group think, but it's still group think. Please leave me alone.
[–]TheXXL 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she would compelled to have every man want her, but this trait being repressed in all but amoral social circles
It's not, and has never been, aside from exceptions like the Muslim world. It shows by make up, dressing Sexy, taking so much more time to look good than men, red lipstick (which funny enough, is there to mimic her vagina) and so on. Women get indoctrinated at very early ages to look Sexy.
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