Hey, I'm new to this forum but I'm basically at an intermediate/maybe advanced level of game and I came here looking for some possible answers.

This might sound silly, so bear with me. Is anyone else at the intermediate/advanced level and does well in bars and clubs but has trouble gaming hired guns in strip clubs either alone or with a wing?

I don't know why I'm so determined to do this, but I've had inconsistent success in this area and it's bugging me. I've taken home 9s and 10s from the strip clubs (the higher-end strip clubs at that), and I love hooking up with dancers. But it doesn't happen as often as I'd like.

Like 90% of it is overcoming the "customer" frame and establishing yourself as "the type of guy who she would date."

With some dancers I can make it happen right away, but with others it feels like a constant struggle to stay out of the customer frame.

Here are some things that have helped me avoid the customer frame

  • Approaching her on the floor by gently grabbing her hand as she's walking by (like no guys there approach them) with solid eye contact and initiating/leading the conversation.

  • If they start to approach me, I make sure and initiate the conversation and say "Hi, what's your name" first.

  • When she tells me her stage name, I make fun of her for that because it's how she interacts with her customers, not people she knows personally. So an interaction might look like this: ME: Hi. What's your name. HER: I'm Aroura, what's your name? ME: (Sarcastically) Hi Aroura. I'm Stardust. Nice to meet you.

I've ripped on them even further for having a stupid stage name by pretending we're on a children's show, and that "Aroura and Stardust" are going to visit the "Gumdrop Forest" or something like that. Joking around like this gets them out of the money-making outcome-dependent mindset. Probably only do it if it's congruent with your personality though, lol.

  • When she calls me "Honey," "sweetie," or "baby" I punish that behavior because that's the customer frame again. I'll say something like, "Don't call me baby, Bro" with a smirk, or I'll just ignore it, OR if she responds really well to the teasing, I'll go the other direction and say "Okay sugar honey bunches!"

  • I'll ask her if she’s made back her club charges and house fees yet today. (Most dancers work as independent contractors and have to pay these fees in order to work in the club. It is assumed they will make the money back, but if it’s a slow night it doesn’t always happen.) Asking her if she’s made back her fees yet accomplishes three things:

  1. It shows her you have the “insider scoop” on how this stuff works, so you must have known dancers personally before.
  2. It tells you how much time leeway she has to chat with you or if she really needs to put a priority on utilizing her time so she doesn’t lose money.
  3. It gets her talking about things she talks about with her PEERS to you, treating you like a peer (and not a customer), which also buys you time to drop more DHVs, push-pull statements, emotional spikes, etc.
  • If we've done some chatting/connecting and I've bypassed the customer frame, she'll usually have to leave after a certain point to get back to work, and I'll stand up and say "It was nice to meet you. What's your name again?" and shake her hand. When she tells me her stage name I pull her hand in closer, solid eye contact, and say "What's your REAL name?" I've done this about 20 times now and there was only one time when a dancer didn't give me her real name. It's a great technique for getting compliance to lead to the number close.

So my two sticking points in strip club game as of now are:

  1. With some dancers, I'm getting genuine (not fake) IOIs but they won't drop the fucking customer frame with me. They keep asking me if I want a dance, telling me they want to "have fun" with me while rubbing my knee, things like that. This is most likely because they're working and they think that that is what they're supposed to do whether they're attracted to me or not. How do I get those girls to drop that frame?

  2. With some dancers I'll get them to the point where I know their real names when they don't even tell some of the other dancers their real names. I know they trust me. But for some reason they feel uncomfortable giving me their contact info/meeting up later. I understand these girls have a lot of stalkers and have to protect themselves, but I'm certain that they don't think that of me at this point. Could it be that some of them just have preconceived notions that they don't give out their number at work? It's frustrating to get to get so close then fuck up the close.

Anyway, if you can answer my questions please do, and also let me know why you're interested (or aren't interested) in gaming strippers, what your sticking points are, etc. I may be able to help.

Thanks guys.