I'll try to play nice, but here goes:

Many of you are likely looking for help seducing women. Makes sense.

However, some of us are here because we either find the topic fascinating (aka are addicted), have been in your shoes before and feel empathy, are looking to go from from top tier to the highest, or simply want to read success stories.

If you try to find flaws in people trying to help, not only will they no longer want to help, but you are making your own inexperience at this very obvious. If there are people here posting F close FRs that are full of shit, well I have no idea. But taking it upon yourself to feel better about your failures by attempting to find theirs is really missing the point.

Here's where things get interesting: No matter how shit or good you are, there are people better at it than you, that are willing to show you how to improve. This clearly reflects a much broader topic than seduction. This can be said for literally anything.

I've made a comment or 2 in some threads on how to get laid or on the subject cause it was brought up (in and out of seddit). Random encounters to Apoc S+A success rate to shit that I can't even recall right now (sleeping with an employee's mom comes to mind but I don't even think I've told that one here). Most are met with "prove it". Ya know what? If you were any good at seduction, you would know that I don't need to, because of the facts presented in the stories.

You guys are short on some info that you won't believe when I tell you it in a second, but will worship IF you ever get to this point. Feel free to hate on it all you want. It actually shows that you know nothing.

First: Women are usually hornier and more adventurous than men. And society allows them to be in a "make out with another girl" way, but not in a "number" way.

You seriously need to realize that when someone complains about a male friend saying "don't worry, I won't tell your BF", it's Darwin at work. Secrecy will allow you to get away with sexual murder. You are fulfilling their fantasies while keeping them within the laws of what is socially acceptable.

Second: Women go the the bar looking for a one night stand more often than you do. It would be really helpful to read some textsfromlastnight. Fantastic way to attempt to understand just how badly that you have no clue. And if you think those posts are BS...it shows how ineffective you likely are in the real world.

Third: Confidence. Gets repeated a lot right? Know why? It's an indicator to the women of how good you are in bed. Do you want to fuck a starfish? Well neither do they. You want to stop short of bragging about sexual conquests, but if you attract women and don't need them, she wants a piece too. This is why female wings work. This is why hitting on her friends works. Social proof's main point (besides actual social power). This is why having the nuts to grab her and kiss her, TELL her to give you her number, slam her against a wall, anything, works. She wants a MAN. Someone that knows what he's doing and will take control. More women have rape fantasies than you can comprehend. It's kind of 2 points here, but they want the confidence because they assume it's acquired from experience (good lay), and because they want you to be in charge, even if they claim otherwise.

Fourth: Just ask/tell her. That title may sound uber gray, but it isn't. "How do I know if she's single? Well my number one FIRST line with a woman is "Are you single?". Yes I've picked up women in relationships of varying degrees. Unless you have a fixation on that (revenge for having been cheated on yourself?), don't waste your time. It isn't a waste of time for the "impossible" reason, far from it. But it's less likely to go somewhere, less likely that she will be faithful to you, and asking if she's single not only cuts to the chase in an efficient method, but actually shows confidence (you cut to the chase, and she knows it), but also leaves you less vulnerable, if you care about that sort of thing. If she says yes, play it off like it was asking what she does for a living, because that's literally how casually you should have asked it. We're here to play the percentages. Positive ROI right? When you want a challenge, giv'er. Until then, play the winning hand.

We're happy to help on the baby steps. But don't think we're full of shit because we say something that is way above your pay grade. Telling girls to come fuck you does work. But getting there requires experience. This subreddit is frustrating because of the knowledge gap. Advanced people try to help, and novices question their merits, and it goes back and forth. This post is (clearly) an example of that. If you don't have the confidence to confidently (being intentionally repetitive) ask if a girl fucking likes you, start by walking up to every possible MALE in a bar/on campus and saying "hi I'm so and so what's your name?", because you have a long ways to go. And it will happen quickly if you put in effort, but don't sit there and call BS on us. It only makes you look bad, and us less likely to help.

PS bonus thought: Know how Mystery is just a commercial success story? Well the "do you want to kiss me right now?" routine works. One hundred fucking percent of the time. If it didn't for you, you fucked up the basics. PLEASE stop questioning the advanced moves without any foundation, then insulting the guys that try to teach you them because you asked. It's getting old.