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[–]BestOfPUA 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
DONT!
I learned about PUA 10 years ago. I kep coming back to it after each breakup from LTR. I keep coming back. Over the years, I met more than 20-30 people who took bootcamps.
1st of all, it is not the magic pill you that you think it is. Even the best bootcamp I heard did not improve the skills of students that much. There some reviews for bootcamps in reddit. I like this guys review on 5-6 bootcamps that he took : https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/6rhaos/review_rsd_las_vegas_immersionbootcamp_with_rsd/
From what I heard, RSD is the worst in the business. Their clients had the least improvement. I saw 2 RSD instructors in the field, if anything their game was non-existent. I know 3 guys that took a bootcamp with RSD Tyler. They all gave very bad reviews. One guy told me that, Tyler was so bad at game, he could not stay in any of his sets for more than 5 minutes.
I heard good things about Mark Manson, Todd Valentine, Love Systems, Joe Ducard, and Mystery himself (Believe it or not, mystery actually had great reviews). Ever since Todd Valentine broke up with his previous company, he started doing bootcamps for real cheap. I think he has a week long one for 1400$? That is steal given the good reviews he had.
[–]Aeon199 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
One guy told me that, Tyler was so bad at game, he could not stay in any of his sets for more than 5 minutes.
They say he gets women all the time, though. He seems to provide a lot of proof of that in videos, as well. You're saying it's fake and made-up? What evidence do you have?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
essentially he isn't adaptable, he has somethings right but he isn't that skilled really. he thinks he knows a lot but he really is not good at all compared to other guys like laruina and janka. Sure he has success, but if you want to do well with really good looking girls who actually have self confidence, you need to not act like him, but like someone who has self confidence, unlike tyler, that is why he is such a dick to his students, he has an inferiority complex for sure. He could never write a book as nuanced as laruina and others. He has a few ploys but is not very versatile. The videos I've seen of him he acts like a retard and only gets girls with really low self esteem, shame guys think he's good. Just a good marketer probably.
[–]BestOfPUA 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Tyler lives in Los Angeles, and he is always wearing clothes from brands that are worth 1000$ to 8000$... He does not need a game in LA to get laid with those clothing, his mansion, and his connections. I am sure he bangs lots of chicks thanks to those reasons. But, his PUA skills are not good. I heard he showed extreme lack of social calibration. He went all of his sets with out of proportion energy, and girls asked him to leave many times.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
makes sense, he's a false prophet, all the pua guys a pathological sociopaths but this guy does it just ugly and the other guys do it with a heart and love for women. This guy pledges his love to his hand shiiiiiit hes dumb. The other guys like laruina seem more in tune with their inner temptations and combine that beautiful urge with a well rounded personality and a genuine self love. I don't get that from this guy. I get that he likes deceiving. He stole one guys girl that was sitting next to the guy thats cold. He doesn't rely on people noticing he has a genuine interest in them and good heart, just desperation and a lot of touching. Hard to explain but you know he just doesn't seem like enough of a person to me. You are supposed to be a bit vulnerable. And when someone tells you to fuck off that's a criticism you should consider not ignore.
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Well from this conversation, the takeaway here is "money and status" if you don't have social skills; after that "be normal with confidence and social skills."
Not a whole lot of room for a guy with social difficulties and no ability to make money (I'm not high functioning like Tyler) to make inroads.
Maybe I take things too literally.. you tell me. What's the takeaway here?
You guys are saying Tyler gets women while socially awkward, because of his money, connections, mansion etc. You're saying the other guys rely on confidence and social skills.
Doesn't look like anything I could learn from, since I can't have money, and I can't have social fluency (I will never be smooth, I'm autistic for fucks sake.)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
hmm- maybe watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJ2M8gsCXY&t=2s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-Sehh-yD-c and try to immitate them ( skinny guy in second video is kinda awkward in the beginning. I don't know the limitations of what autism is. But I used to think I was fucking disabled or something but realized I just needed to learn and practice social shit. It took me a while to develope a sense of personality and humor (was recently wrecked [see post history]) there is no shame in immitating I did it for years before I felt comfortable going out and being unique in general. Tyler is the epitome of self-serving. he doesn't get enjoyment out of knowing the other person honestly enjoys the interaction. Makes me think autism is a lack of awareness and willingness to learn. I have not looked into if autism is real or just something made up my pharma to promote drugs. Don't take offense and know that is how I think of things because of how much corruption of the american mind there has been in regards to fabricating "mental health issues" by making up things like chemical imbalance.
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[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Tyler is the epitome of self-serving. he doesn't get enjoyment out of knowing the other person honestly enjoys the interaction. Makes me think autism is a lack of awareness and willingness to learn.
I am afraid you are more correct than you think, even. Autism is characterized as a general disconnect from other people. If you cannot connect to others, you cannot enjoy the interaction.. which quite removes motivation to socialize and leads to atrophy of social skills (in my case, especially.)
I must admit that it's very hard for me to enjoy socializing in general. Which makes things very hard indeed. How do you get laid if you don't enjoy socializing?
Autism is not made up, either.. far from it.
Anyway, there is not very much I can take from the videos, other than just the fact that these guys had courage to talk to women and some interactions went okay. Still, the content of the conversation appeared to be centered on work and other such things... I wouldn't be able to give a good answer, because I don't have a good answer for that. I don't function well enough in life to have the things expected of men in general, especially adjusted for age.
How would a guy get laid if he can't discuss his job and life prospects, etc? The only answer I can come to is that it's not possible. Because getting laid requires a date and proving societal/social worth, which requires demonstrating career prospects, social proof, and other things which prove that you're a normal guy--which I am not. Far from it.
A lot of guys just downplay it and say "you don't need a job to get laid" or "that discussion can be avoided" or something. But I doubt that. How can you be a subnormal guy, and get laid, essentially? I'm not into escorts, before it gets there (as it always does, in these conversations.)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think that autism is just missed lessons on how to do certain things which is twisted into an illness. Yes there are people who are behind is developments but I think it's not a disease. Has that been proven-may be wrong. When people say that you can avoid the topic of job, they mean your overall self confidence and manly confidence make up for stuff. Are you out of shape because that can make it nearly impossible? Like can you do a plank for 60 sec. leg lift ten times and do fifty situps? In my opinion working on copying those who are good socially and fake till you make it will lead to normalization. I used to think I was autistic but I just needed to find the right people and put in a lot of effort before I connected. I am very disconnected in a good way though as a personality masculentity trait/ defence tactic. Please ask me more questions if you want about this. I also recommend watching a lot fo youtube interviews of people and listening to fighter and the kid and delia's podcast to help. I honestly believe you can teach yourself. I may be wrong but believing in yourself is big af. Also establishing an edge slash inner detirmination with something can help develope character and the ability to feel in my opinion.
[–]Aeon199 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Are you out of shape because that can make it nearly impossible?
I'm quite thin. Thin is technically in shape. The only place being thin as a man, is out of shape--and this is literally true--is America. Which is actually disturbing when you think about it.
I guess I should get lifting harder--I've planned to do this for years, but still can't lift a finger to do anything differently, I have no motivation for anything anymore--but then I'm also not interested in gaining much weight. It depends on whether the kind of gains I want can be done--and visible--without massive caloric intake.
When people say that you can avoid the topic of job, they mean your overall self confidence and manly confidence make up for stuff.
I have once had it explained that job and money matter when women don't like you or are not interested in you. It's a kind of "what else can he offer" thing, when you fail the first test, but then it also means women who need to know your "career prospects" before they find you attractive.. are the WRONG women to talk to.
I think this take on it, may be correct, unfortunately.
The silver lining may be that if I look good enough and talk well enough, shitty prospects/no status won't ruin my chances. Lemme know if it sounds right.
But then that flips back onto manly confidence and looks, and I have no confidence, and merely average looks.. :/
yea you seem to be right. I agree being thin is shamed for no reason except maybe people are jealous it happened to me. I recommend eating a lot of pasta after doing an after noon workout which you can do at home. Anyway I think you can teach yourself a new personality with enough time. Good luck.
[–]GuyFromDaStore 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Expensive and about as useful as any lecture seminar...worthless.
What are you having trouble applying from what you’ve read so far?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Take that money, buy a pair of shoes that make you smile, eat a nice a lunch/lunches and go and approach and escalate on women
Has your suggestion ever yielded good results, for you, mate?
Never ever
[–]Aeon199 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If it's not working for you, then I find it a little dishonest to make the suggestion.. at least if you're not new to the game.
"Just approach" is what I see most of the time here... from men who still haven't gotten a woman into bed, etc.
My message was love yourself and then go and meet women
[–]TheRastafarian 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The programs can be much more useful.
[–]TruthSFree -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Bootcamps are the best thing you can do with your game. Especially mine. Cheers! https://www.truthrelationshipmanagement.com/reviews/
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[–]TruthSFree -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm black, African and my roommate is Jewish. Does that help?
[–]WIA20XX -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They're much more useful if you've been good at going out regularly, than a total newb who's never been consistent with going out and approaching.
If you're trading money to get someone to fix your approach anxiety or escalation anxiety, it might just be weekend fix.
But if you've got technical sticking points, bootcamps can be helpful. Body language, approach angles, "squaring up", speaking, having someone demonstrate an approach, someone critiquing your approach, etc.
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