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| 1 | How do I ask random men out in passing?Kinda random. Anyway, I know you can't realize it now, but severe hair loss shouldn't be a dealbreaker (even if he's also way thin.) For me the worst of that happened practically overnight; if it can happen to me, it can happen to any guy. Just kinda a reminder, if he's thin and looks strange with just 3 locks of hair left on top... doesn't mean he has to be written off altogether, right? Maybe this was low-key pathetic, but it's something to remember? Could you do that at least? The way this ha… | /r/seduction | 13/06/26 05:54 AM |
| -5 | IVE HAD ENOUGH! Can someone please teach me how to Text better?!You really don't get it. This is poor advice, bro | /r/seduction | 13/06/26 05:48 AM |
| 1 | How the hell do you flirt and date as a lazy introvert?I'm the guy from before this last one, for context. I just don't really agree with a lot of this stuff, or at least not some of the Big names, who have lots of so-called "in-field" videos of successful approach. We can't really know what the outcomes of those snippets were. Was some of it staged? What exactly was edited out? Don't forget endless conflicts of interest. Tyler RSD I think is more of a conman than whatever else he claimed to be. I'm not saying approach doesn't work, though, certainl… | /r/seduction | 01/11/25 05:36 AM |
| 1 | How the hell do you flirt and date as a lazy introvert?Yes, but for a certain percentage, only... (cue infamous number line) I may be wrong, but then... anecdotes? (Provided you're not a witty extrovert or a standout in some other way) | /r/seduction | 30/10/25 05:20 AM |
| 2 | I’m giving up on flirting and being seductive"Can you improve your profession/career somehow? Can you create a fun environment with your loved ones? Are you able to get information from strangers? Are you able to create fun frames with strangers?" No to most of that, but that don't mean it's all 'done gone', as they say. Trust me on that. | /r/seduction | 30/10/25 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Is cold approach worth it?Fair enough in principle, if you're actually serious that it works for you. Pretty much every time I've asked about cold approach in the past, the guys saying it works go on to explain it's like 1 in 400+ or something. But even if it does work, they're still just looking for a 'winner' of sorts... and that's pretty much a very high bar to meet for many of us. If you know of any genuine outcast or 'in a halfway house, unemployed' types who still manage to find someone, etc, lemme know | /r/seduction | 02/07/25 09:13 AM |
| 1 | Is cold approach worth it?I agree it's best to do things that way--if one can. But then, in my case, things like being socially outcast and unable to change that, on the spectrum, quite a bit older, in legit poor health, and with effectively no future... well not only does it make that kind of thing impractical, it quite makes it impossible. There is no social circle for me, because frankly I am not sought by anyone, nor can I 'get out there' anymore; for that and many other reasons, I relate to exactly no one even remot… | /r/seduction | 02/07/25 09:05 AM |
| 1 | How come women are allowed to have standards but men are not?In all honesty I think something like this, https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/xvvgiz/how_come_women_are_allowed_to_have_standards_but/ir3fg8y/ Is both in poor-taste, and has little to say about real life. This whole "women are gatekeepers of X, while men are gatekeepers of Y" is more incel nonsense. True sometimes, not true others. How's that? I think a lot of folks in this thread need to touch grass. This is all a bunch of self-loathing/generalized hatred from folks who barely know an… | /r/seduction | 05/10/22 05:11 AM |
| 1 | How do you guys deal with the depression of being an older virgin?One of the reasons I'm so averse to take a leap on this is I know what's waiting. I'm profoundly sensitive to what others will think or say, even things that have been said behind my back--and then come back to me, through back-channels. I don't know how to shrug it off, man. Call me either paranoid, or Rejection Sensitive, you decide. But here's my reason for "why" this is. I know people can often be manipulative jerks. And I can't even read social situations properly--the only thing you can do… | /r/seduction | 02/10/22 04:48 AM |
| 1 | How do you guys deal with the depression of being an older virgin?But asocial/antisocial women are not always going to connect with highly social men, correct? It's not as if "very social men" are higher status by default, either. I'm sure you have anecdotes/examples of asocial guys that still had fling, or something, right. but what you’re doing right now is clearly not working. This is true. But I did not mean to say "literally exactly the same way" rather I was trying to suggest, "a few tweaks here and there." Small compromises, but no full overnight leap. … | /r/seduction | 02/10/22 04:32 AM |
| 1 | How do you guys deal with the depression of being an older virgin?I'm still saying that "socially motivated" is a different thing here, which I never understood--I never had it. You seem to have it in spades. Certainly, while less common, some autistic men are like that. I have known a few guys on spectrum who insisted on being social, no matter what--but despite being resilient, they were nonetheless excluded or bullied for years. They were longterm depressed because of it. To me, I have a fundamental disagreement with that very approach. I still believe it's… | /r/seduction | 01/10/22 05:09 AM |
| 1 | How do you guys deal with the depression of being an older virgin?Well I mean, you may or may not have met someone like me before. You have to tailor your advice properly because despite being on spectrum, your origins and motivations (you appear to have a very 'social' drive, while my motivations are undeniably asocial/antisocial, by nature) are very different. Looking at what you wrote just now, I'm not even imagining a way in which more than 10% of that is doable. Autism (especially with ADHD comorbid, and not treatable with meds) does have a large range of… | /r/seduction | 30/09/22 05:08 AM |
| 1 | How do you guys deal with the depression of being an older virgin?Maybe you get it to an extent? I don't know. The thing is, though, it don't look like you gave up on life. I must admit, that's what I've done, and it was long ago when it started... still haven't gotten up even at this late stage. But anyhoo, I'm guessing you eventually found some success with women because you climbed a few social ladders, something like that? Maybe you were shy, but autistic I'm guessing you ain't. You see, that's the deal here. There are some folks for which this angle canno… | /r/seduction | 30/09/22 04:51 AM |
| 1 | How do you guys deal with the depression of being an older virgin?You don't get it. "Be social and meet people." It works for extraverts or normal introverts. Myself? I'm not normal, and can't really pretend to be. I didn't get those cards. I don't function well enough for that. I can only play the hand I was dealt. Okay, so if I can't be 1/10th as social as the next guy, what then? | /r/seduction | 29/09/22 05:45 AM |
| 0 | How do you guys deal with the depression of being an older virgin?You just don't get it. It's not about 'gaining the maturity to allow yourself to grow' as some like to tell me. I'm socially awkward and autistic, myself. There is no type of group setting where I could even feel comfortable, in the first place. It's not just lacking maturity. Can you imagine a social pariah, like me, joining the types of groups you suggest? I know a decent guy who did all that, and more, but nothing came of it in terms of women. My friend does the "sports groups." In about 15 y… | /r/seduction | 29/09/22 05:41 AM |
| 1 | I feel like I have missed the boat when it comes to dating. And once that ship has sailed, it is never coming back. What advice do you have?Not 1 single friend and I only smashed 1 overweight woman last year from tinder. Not proud of it at all and never again will I settle 🤮 No success online. Honestly I'm kinda interested in this tidbit here. What makes you say "y'know I regret that" in such a pronounced way. I think (but not sure) you could provide more detail without heading into controversial or embarrassing territory. I'd like that, man. Regarding cold approach, since you say you've done this a lot with no genuine success thus … | /r/seduction | 26/09/22 04:17 AM |
| 1 | I feel like I have missed the boat when it comes to dating. And once that ship has sailed, it is never coming back. What advice do you have?Social circle game, then? What about online? Discuss what else you've done with a little detail, if possible. | /r/seduction | 25/09/22 05:30 AM |
| 1 | I feel like I have missed the boat when it comes to dating. And once that ship has sailed, it is never coming back. What advice do you have?How many approaches have you made thus far? | /r/seduction | 24/09/22 05:06 AM |
| 1 | I feel like I have missed the boat when it comes to dating. And once that ship has sailed, it is never coming back. What advice do you have?Yes but you can't just keep approaching. There's things like reputation to think about. | /r/seduction | 21/09/22 05:10 AM |
| 1 | I feel like I have missed the boat when it comes to dating. And once that ship has sailed, it is never coming back. What advice do you have?Okay, but why make the suggestion if it ain't working, then? No disrespect, but while it's better than nothing, it doesn't look like success, to me. | /r/seduction | 21/09/22 04:09 AM |
| 1 | I feel like I have missed the boat when it comes to dating. And once that ship has sailed, it is never coming back. What advice do you have?Out of curiosity, have you gotten any decent results from approaching yet? | /r/seduction | 20/09/22 05:14 AM |
| 1 | I feel like I have missed the boat when it comes to dating. And once that ship has sailed, it is never coming back. What advice do you have?Meetups and group events can be demoralizing for 'ne'er-do-well' guys past 30. I decided it's better for me to avoid it. I'm an autistic guy with a very abnormal life (too late to fix most of it)... can you imagine the way I'd feel, if I joined X or Y group to find they're all college-educated, career-driven, married, witty, and I'm there, with none of that? How would that help someone like me? I've been given this suggestion every time I post in a sub like this... "meetups" or "join groups"... … | /r/seduction | 20/09/22 05:10 AM |
| 1 | Should I Join A Church Group Just For The Purpose Of Meeting Women?Something about this rings false, sorry... | /r/seduction | 20/09/22 04:43 AM |
| 1 | What to do when a girl looks at you?Alright, but could I be myself, though? I don't know that I can realistically emulate extroversion. I'm not just introverted, I'm also on the spectrum. There's too much distance between my core traits and "extroverted" traits to seem believable, without giving it away, without seeming "try hard" and thus creepy. I hardly even know how to do "social" anything, in a sense, anymore. I've lost a lot of that over time due to avoidance. They aren't really even skills I care to resurrect that much, mos… | /r/seduction | 19/09/22 04:34 AM |
| 1 | Fat guy looking for PRETTY girlsYou have good advice here, yes, but are you genuine? Perhaps if I might also ask, are there hacks--like good weed, or something, that one might add to their game? Good way to focus and relax more, in social situations? | /r/seduction | 17/09/22 04:58 AM |
| 1 | What to do when a girl looks at you?I mean the irony is, you're probably not too far-off from my view on it there, the main difference being you think cold approach could work if a guy isn't above average in looks. But what you got between the lines ain't much better. You probably mean, "Approach could still work if you don't have the looks or musculature. But then you'd have to offer the good status/money. And that's what gives you the green light, in that position. They have a lot of options, if you're not a winner in looks, you… | /r/seduction | 17/09/22 04:40 AM |
| 1 | What to do when a girl looks at you?Well it's a lot of things that led me to this conclusion. It's realizing that pick-up 'coaches' including RSD Tyler all have a massive problem. They are all routinely debunked by folks who use critical thinking, frankly. Can't remember the name of this guy, but one very sagacious YouTuber explained why half of it is all nonsense, with carefully tailored and edited "in-field" videos, to raise the hopes for autistic or otherwise awkward men... who have all but zero chance of going up to someone th… | /r/seduction | 17/09/22 04:23 AM |
| 1 | Fat guy looking for PRETTY girlsOf all the comments in this thread, yours is one of very few positives. Good on you. Now I'm the opposite physical shape of the OP guy, and don't describe myself like he does--I take small pride in my appearance, despite looking thin and kinda 'weak'--but I would describe my actual life in similar terms to his. I'm an autistic guy and cannot relate to others, and therefore gave up on socializing, for a long time. I have dropped out of society, largely. I wonder if it's all over. What do you thin… | /r/seduction | 15/09/22 05:59 AM |
| 1 | The number one thing you must do from here on out if you are serious about changing your luck with women.I don't think a guy needs to have his stuff together to find someone, at least for a fling, though? I mean it doesn't always begin with the assumption that you're "provider material" and then soon as she learns you ain't, it's over with? If that's true, it would mean I'm wrong about this. I hope it ain't true. I've heard homeless guys and dependent losers have gotten it done, man. Right? | /r/seduction | 15/09/22 05:19 AM |
| -1 | What to do when a girl looks at you?I'm sorry but approaching doesn't work, they have to know you well enough beforehand... what I'm saying is, it's either you're approaching as part of your social circle game, or it's a no-go. The "true" approach or cold approach, as described here? This has been largely debunked as a myth, and sold by unscrupulous snake-oil artists like RSD among others. One exception I'll grant? If you're legit attractive and conventional, then sure, you will find cold approach sometimes works. But that's hardl… | /r/seduction | 15/09/22 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Chasing older women on Tinder?I think a lot of it comes down to, I don't want to be the one they laugh at. But if I go on this journey of "trying to meet women" it is a certainty that such things will happen, when you've led a life like mine. There's a lot of "for granted" expectations they have for men, past a certain age. I imagine to a vast majority, a guy who lacks those things is either a loser, creepy, or both. I'm on the spectrum and that could explain the pattern of delay I've long shown, maladaptive tendencies--howe… | /r/seduction | 12/09/22 04:54 AM |
| 1 | A new problem with approaching that happening to often this days, how do you guys manage your way around itIt makes sense on paper, but you're not seeing this from the point of view of an autistic guy. Social groups and common interest groups have hierarchies, which is problem for those (like me) who aren't quite high-functioning on society's terms. (While I am technically high-functioning, my life is the opposite.) As I've come to understand, when they keep up with Jones, an autistic guy has a point of entry in social groups. He has something to show for his life, which happens to be an unwritten ru… | /r/seduction | 11/09/22 05:41 AM |
| 1 | I’m giving up on dating and women and just focusing on myselfI'm looking for outliers. Not always inspiring when you swap out one of the major categories (looks and height) for an inversely high amount of the other (social skills and success.) That's the same narrative as usual. Too familiar, "Be attractive, if not, be the high-status guy." I want outliers. Some of us end up in a situation where there just ain't much you can do socially, without bringing agonizing emotional distress and loathing into your life. Those aren't growing pains, it's the way soc… | /r/seduction | 11/09/22 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Chasing older women on Tinder?I mean if the deal is, there ain't no half-decent types who might accept one who's lived an outcast/avoidant life for a longass time--if that specter has to be carried and everyone has to know--then it would seem like i have the answer already. It would seem to be over, in that vein. I'll grant you there is no true finality, but then there's the "high likelihood" of it. Tell me about a guy who's got mental issues and doesn't pull his own weight, at least 30+, and he can still get it done. That w… | /r/seduction | 11/09/22 05:01 AM |
| 1 | "Hey you have beautiful eyes" to my first phone number.Well the thing is, if one is not "pro-social", you seem to be suggesting there will be hints of an agenda no matter what? I'm not pro-social and it's not going to change much. I don't see why this should mean it's done-gone, because there are many "unusual/undesirable qualities" that men learn to own. Why couldn't I own it? Anyhoo, if that's your belief as I think it is, back up your words a bit. Of those men you know who are deeply introverted or antisocial in some way, are you saying they're a… | /r/seduction | 11/09/22 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Chasing older women on Tinder?I have a friend who's just as charming as you describe yourself. Makes friends at the drop of a dime. Is clearly the guy who everyone wants to be friends and hang around with Funny, confident, super chill vibe but has exact same issue as you. He's 32 and Virgin AF. Haven't even kissed a girl. Ever. Man that's scary like hell. In this thread I am the biggest loser by far--and the least social. All wrapped in one. But still want to cling to hope. And yet, seeing things like that--guys with all the… | /r/seduction | 09/09/22 06:00 AM |
| 2 | A new problem with approaching that happening to often this days, how do you guys manage your way around itDon't dissuade folks from this, what other avenue does he have? I guess they always say "social circle game" and this or that, but those things don't always work. Social circle game is for the fast-wit, it doesn't work for the introvert or autistic person. | /r/seduction | 09/09/22 05:56 AM |
| 1 | "Hey you have beautiful eyes" to my first phone number.Yeah but I can't realistically do things like the OP. It's not as if a struggling guy can "man up" and transform into a well-dressed and pro-social type--I know the whole "you don't have to be who you were 5 minutes ago" meme, but it doesn't really work like that. I mean if you're broken and defective esp. in a social way, you don't get a "social reboot" after living a life where misanthropy is the norm. I can work within my framework, but how? Anyone likes introversion and lack of social drive?… | /r/seduction | 09/09/22 05:47 AM |
| 1 | "Hey you have beautiful eyes" to my first phone number.How much have you approached, then? And I'm just telling you I don't believe myself capable of your style in this--which means the "great dress," the "relaxed pro-social attitude" and not even the gyming, would be something I'd be capable of. I don't know what else a guy could do, but hopefully being myself as I am now, minus the self-loathing, could be enough? Not even making it up, I'm on the spectrum and have a strange relationship with clothes--it can only be loose and comfortable, or not ha… | /r/seduction | 09/09/22 05:38 AM |
| 1 | I’m giving up on dating and women and just focusing on myselfIf that guy you're talking about wasn't outgoing and/or lacked good prospects, he'd be in my situation (in other words, impossible.) | /r/seduction | 09/09/22 05:19 AM |
| 2 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itWell, there's a couple of interesting thoughts you offered there, I hadn't often seen it that way before. Too often, I see it as more of a genetic lottery, almost deterministic, even. Certainly that's not what I believe on my better days, but on the worse days, sure. (Yes this is to make clear, I still deal with a lot of comparison and envy.) The "worse days"--and I have a lot--I'm noticing just some guy on the street, with attractive woman. And, pathetic as it sounds, I'm feeling inferior just … | /r/seduction | 10/08/22 05:17 AM |
| 2 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itWell, to try and "cut to the chase" now that I've come back to this post... Confidence only comes when you truly accept who you are, what you can and can’t achieve, and then choosing to live peacefully with yourself knowing that you are who you will live as for the rest of your life. It is true that I've never fully accepted who I am, what I can and cannot achieve, and so on. As a result, there has been a lot of insecurity, self-loathing and addiction (which tends to cause a shifting "polarity" … | /r/seduction | 08/08/22 05:38 AM |
| 2 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itThanks for the response. I intend to reply to this later, when I have the mental space to allocate. Right now I can't get to it (I'm also very slow with this stuff.) | /r/seduction | 02/08/22 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itYeah I can see the argument for "being a decent person" can compensate even in the face of "low status" or abnormal life, etc. That may be true sometimes, but let me explain why it's so uncommon for some guys to have this "poise" you speak of. Being on the spectrum, along with natural tendency for introversion... given enough time, it makes one hardened, cynical, and very self-serving as a natural coping mechanism that stems from not being appreciated socially or in other important ways. The com… | /r/seduction | 02/08/22 05:25 AM |
| 2 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itif you're saying it's not as bad as we're led to believe by this place (which generally comes down to "be 6 foot tall, 6 figures, or social swagger") then can you tell me how a guy who has none of those things, and never will--I'm an autistic guy, only 5'9", thin and unable to gain bulk, poor credentials, etc--can find someone half-decent? I wouldn't be concerned whether it's a fling, or longer term, the idea here is, I don't want to go the entirety of a life being a dateless virgin. I really do… | /r/seduction | 30/07/22 05:57 AM |
| 1 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itI don't agree job is "bare minimum" because I've seen stone-cold losers, still get it done. | /r/seduction | 30/07/22 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itBut I'd say a stable career and strong education is above average and you're just underestimating how much those things count... You don't put stock in how many times you got a "yes" just because you had those things. Guys here downplay their advantages. What about the guy who has no/few gifts? What then? I'm autistic and learning challenged. So, it means, it's just over? | /r/seduction | 30/07/22 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Most women don't realize how hard average guys have itBut are you aware that any guy who is perceived as "lower value" has no shot, whatsoever? Tell me about some lower-value guy, 30+, below 6 foot, mediocre looks, crap job (or no job) that even got with a decent woman once. I'm saying you won't have anyone to mention, because they don't exist. And that makes me depressed. Because that's me and I know it's done gone. | /r/seduction | 30/07/22 05:45 AM |
| 2 | Book Summary: The Book of PookI prefer to agree with this. Try and fail, get a little seasoned, and then, with a bit of luck, good woman will be there; maybe a fling or something more. As redundant as it sounds, that's the idea anyway. After all let's be honest with ourselves, we have some inbuilt desire that (barring unusual cases) cannot be reliably ignored without undue consequence. For a complete absence of intimacy or 'validation' so to speak, will tend to result in harmful loneliness longterm. Better to have found even… | /r/seduction | 27/03/22 04:47 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Try approaching with a better attitude, you mean? Try "fixing life to become normal, first" unfortunately I'm aware that ship has sailed. Trying to "fix a few small things, to become more focused and more centered, more passionate, more inspired" yes I'm always trying to do this, but it is also very hard. Even if I did my best here, though, I'd still be thoroughly abnormal. At my age without any kind of certificate on the wall, utter crap work history, no social circle, and so on... it is what i… | /r/seduction | 17/03/22 04:44 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Well I mean I really am the "bargain bin" type, if I may be blunt. But maybe some eccentric type would be into that, provided I could give a good surface impression, maybe with the right type of look for her? This assuming it's more for something 'less-serious,' etc. I don't have the higher education because I just never got into that, it required a lot of socializing due to group work and I'm on the spectrum--which means I'm an anxious mess and can't deal with those group dynamics. In fact ther… | /r/seduction | 13/03/22 06:21 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"Pure self-sufficiency and conventional life direction--"moving up, etc."--required for less-serious things, too? If that's how it is for you, are some other good women able to look past a lack of normality for a more friendly/casual arrangement One thing that can help is social interactions that have an organizing principle - for example, a hackathon or a board game meetup. Having a structure that the event is organize around can remove some of the anxiety and provide an anchor to come back to i… | /r/seduction | 27/02/22 06:59 AM |
| 2 | Here's everything I've learned about women, dating, sex, PUA, and seduction in my decades of life.Well, whatever the case may be. Do you think there's any chance for a real loser, given in to autistic rigidity and avoidance, not even young anymore, to find decent fling? In that case is it about "look within your league"... I've had a lot of brash suggestions that I'd need to expand my empathic range and look for the "clearly lesser-abled" and in some cases, folks tell me to find those who are chronically overlooked, etc. I'm trying to put this in polite terms, and still wondering if it comes… | /r/seduction | 27/02/22 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Here's everything I've learned about women, dating, sex, PUA, and seduction in my decades of life.How did you even find this comment? I don't mind, but I wrote this over 2 years ago to someone else... | /r/seduction | 19/02/22 05:00 AM |
| 1 | Book Summary: The Book of PookFair enough, but are you also trying to suggest I cannot afford to have any standards besides that of personality and attitude? It's a noble concept, but I cannot lie to myself that the kind of person who would seem to be available, is not often my type. You tell me if that sounds shallow or hypocritical, given what I've disclosed about myself (somewhat lesser-abled, low status, etc.) You also seem to have a relationship-centric angle--again, nothing wrong with it, but I happen to be the type th… | /r/seduction | 12/02/22 05:52 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"I would say you answered the question adequately. However I'm not sure you addressed things like higher education/career and whether you required a 'base minimum' there to be interested (even if you weren't looking for LTR at the time.) Like I said the tendency for dating in general, but online dating in particular, is they require the same level of education or more, the same upward mobility, etc. That goes for serious relationships, as well as more casual arrangements, as the data shows. I was… | /r/seduction | 27/01/22 06:38 AM |
| 1 | I am really scared of cold approaching womenLet me ask again, have you seen what "many" or even "most" women on Reddit, have said about this? How is it possible to discount their opinion. It's possible they're a small and vocal "minority" overall, but something tells me that's too convenient; an easy way to dodge this point, in other words. | /r/seduction | 22/01/22 05:35 AM |
| 1 | I am really scared of cold approaching womenAppreciate the reply. I'm sorry I don't have much to offer, given your very long comment. Yeah, your story while inspiring in general, is not too inspiring to me specifically. You had success with women while young, and you were married for countless years. Of course the fact that you had a normal trajectory with women, along with being a highly functional person, explains a lot of your recent success. You see, I still have zero experience with women (don't want to pay either.) I'm definitely yo… | /r/seduction | 22/01/22 05:25 AM |
| 2 | I am really scared of cold approaching womenI find some of this hard to believe, but no disrespect. You may be honest about this. But then I noticed your account (sorry for glancing) is brand new. The claim that you began your journey at 48 and got some success--while nice to hear for this "not young" guy who wasted his life--is a little bit more of a stretch, because of that. | /r/seduction | 18/01/22 05:33 AM |
| 2 | I am really scared of cold approaching womenBut there's a lot of women who will not be receptive, and especially if the guy is not her type. Are you aware some guys have almost run into trouble, just because of a basic cold approach? If you don't believe me, put up a thread asking if women don't mind being approached. Or just go to the subreddits where they are majority user, and look for it. Most seem to claim it's unwanted at best. I mean, don't you think it's worth considering the consensus opinion on this? | /r/seduction | 18/01/22 05:29 AM |
| 1 | An Approach Doesn’t Have to be an ApproachI understand "looks help and all"... the point is you said you're not great looking but still done fairly well with women. I was asking since you said you don't offer the great looks, maybe you have the good money instead. I'm still asking that question now. If you don't want to answer that, understood, but maybe you could make that clear. | /r/seduction | 18/01/22 05:00 AM |
| 1 | An Approach Doesn’t Have to be an ApproachBig money, then? Life is cynical, so what's the deal. It always comes back to either looks, or finance | /r/seduction | 17/01/22 05:25 AM |
| 1 | What if attraction is way more esoteric than we thought?Well I'm going to ask some questions, and I would like you to answer them quickly. No real angle here, as yet (maybe I will determine the angle later) First is, do you think women who are "9 and above" would only be interested in guys with a great education, great job, and/or great money? Second is, have you heard of Narcissistic Personality? Not saying you have the full blown disorder--it's apparently pretty rare. But showing signs of grandiosity tends to align with narcissism, as I understand.… | /r/seduction | 14/01/22 06:21 AM |
| 1 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidYou're not seeing my point, exactly. I also take a different view. (Some of this is also my fault for not clarifying the intended meaning, properly.) One of the things I tried to communicate in the last comment was, I am not looking for traditional LTR--I understand that you are, or you were, only looking for this expressly. While my implication was, for various reasons, I'm looking more for the light and breezy, rather than the longterm deal. I don't feel I should lie about it, but at the same … | /r/seduction | 14/01/22 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidYou haven't said anything about your functionality relative to mine, though. I personally don't take the same angle you have about that 'bigger problem'--but don't call this out for "shallowness", I take the view it's hard to see this much differently if one has been fully deprived. I could also simply be a bit dishonest and say something like "I never had that because I didn't want it, instead choosing to wait however long it would take, to find an honorable relationship first" but to me... say… | /r/seduction | 14/01/22 05:34 AM |
| 1 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidLet's ask this, how rough do you have it, man? Because I have the same thing; I myself have autism with severe (inattentive) ADHD. But you claim to have been with many women, genuine relationships, and starting pretty young at that. While I'm not young and literally still a dateless virgin. This may suggest not simply a better attitude, but perhaps much greater functionality. My executive function (not to "brag in reverse", though) is so poor it can barely even be measured. This means if I want … | /r/seduction | 13/01/22 06:47 AM |
| 1 | What every woman wantsAfter reading this the other night, I felt it was possibly an indirect dig, or perhaps, "inspired" by your (even short-lived) correspondence. Whatever it might be, I feel this is callous, at best. Even if it was not about that at all, what you've written is quite galling, in terms of arrogance and hypocrisy. Regarding the latter, you've written guides for "atypical men" who--regardless of current status--are the same type who've dealt with a lot of othering in their own life. A lot of insecurity… | /r/seduction | 13/01/22 05:21 AM |
| 1 | I wish I could forget all the negativity, dating woes, and EvoPsych stuff I ever readMan it's so bleak. I wish I had never learned or exposed myself to so much of this--of course, now I know a lot more than I did before, I'm not a complete idiot anymore on this topic. That's the upside. But consider the downside. I also learned that, seemingly, my value is in the bargain bin. And I lack pretty much most of the ability, as well as the drive, to improve in most suggested ways. This is a depressing realization already. It goes on after this. Consider what we expose ourselves to her… | /r/seduction | 13/01/22 05:05 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]If you have a conflict of interest in this, it would follow that you say things that are a bit over-optimistic, in order to offer hope and attract clients in this way. Although the other guy in your other thread, I would say goes way off in the other direction (EvoPsych and Alpha-Male nonsense) so if I had to choose which to believe, I'd still take 57 pickup's opinion over that. Very tangential to anyone seeing this, but for the last time, "women need a protector and a provider..." it's a total … | /r/seduction | 12/01/22 06:02 AM |
| 1 | How to actually enjoy yourself at night club?I know guys who aren't smart, witty, or jacked and get it done. Not sure if they did in a club, but it's happened. Yes there is some EvoPsych truth, but then there is binary thinking. You haven't even considered that some of the same deficits of my own which I mention are generalized; the vision of oneself we often have is not the one everyone else, including women, will always see. You apparently took everything I said at face value and rubbed it in, while not considering your own binary, black… | /r/seduction | 12/01/22 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidCan't do those things, not functional enough. No offense but I'm not able to handle even 1/4th of that. But there are autistic guys lower functioning than me, who have a partner. So to me it looks like there are "outside the box" ways to do this, which aren't being mentioned here. | /r/seduction | 12/01/22 05:23 AM |
| 0 | How to actually enjoy yourself at night club?"Women want good genes and social protection," Again, wrong thing to say. EvoPsych is damaging to all guys except those who have the innate qualities. However "true" it may be, it has no place here. This is how you increase self-loathing--look at how it worked out for a large subset of men, many of whom still post here. All of them saying "I got bad genetics and it's over" If we stopped talking about this stuff, it's a much better way to promote growth. "Be the protector" just more harmful EvoPs… | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 07:06 AM |
| 1 | How to actually enjoy yourself at night club?Nonsense, because for autistic people, group dynamics is toxic. One of the worst things for their self-esteem, is to participate in these fake social games. The only autist who benefits from these things is purely extroverted, which does happen but it's rare. | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 07:02 AM |
| 1 | How to actually enjoy yourself at night club?What if you're not smart, or not witty. A lot of autistic guys (who may actually be smart) report being slow in conversation and being, if anything, the opposite of witty. Certainly I'm on the spectrum, and I can tell you for a fact I am not resourceful nor am I witty. Half of everything you've said goes against the "real-time reality" of being socially different in a fundamental way. | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 07:00 AM |
| 2 | How to actually enjoy yourself at night club?Don't give him misinformation. Women don't commonly like to be approached, man. You can go anywhere on Reddit, in fact any place online where there's a majority of women, and they'll say "I can't do anything outside the house anymore, without being bothered by men..." as the gist of it. Most women in general echo this sentiment, to some extent. Don't you think it's only fair to consider their point of view? | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:55 AM |
| 2 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidWrong place to agree with EvoPsych. Some good women like unconventional guys (not tall, no money, etc.), too. Sounds like a paradox, but it is one that happens. Needs more inspiration | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidCan autistic guys who don't have a normal life... far from being a winner... could they do the same? But I'd guess you have/had some big advantages if you did so well starting from a young age. So you're the wrong person to ask | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:26 AM |
| 2 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidOnline doesn't work, pickup doesn't work, socializing doesn't work... well, but for the tall attractive guy... or maybe the high earner... or, barring that, the guy with a very active/busy life. But if you're not any of that and you cannot be... I mean, what's the point? I'm not even willing to see someone who will pretend to show interest... because I don't believe in that. I wouldn't pay someone to "pretend to be my friend" either. | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:23 AM |
| 0 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidThe reality is that most girls go on Tinder either looking for quick dick, So long as he's 6'2", strong arms, and good status. No one else. If you're not that guy, you're now automatically "relationship option" and then they ask about the job to check for money/prospects. If you can't win at that game, what then? | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:16 AM |
| 0 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidNot interested in many things. You just don't get it, man! | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:12 AM |
| 0 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidWhat autistic guy would do any of this, without first hating the world? I can't do the dance thing, the online thing, the social network thing, and folks tell me not to do the daygame thing ("you're probably awkward and will come across oddly")... what am I supposed to do, then? "Money and career"... yeah, don't function well enough for that either. "Social status"... see above. And yet folks suggest I can get it done. But how | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:12 AM |
| 1 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidHe seemed to be saying there's nothing he can do, because he doesn't have the same innate social drive that the rest of society takes for granted. | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:09 AM |
| 2 | Men...this is the main reason you aren't getting laidI'm a wallflower who can't stand social events in general. The "group dynamics" thing ruins everything... I'm always seen as "low value" because I don't have the wit and resourcefulness in group conversation. Is there any way to meet women (but not online) that's more 1-1 and perhaps better for introverts? | /r/seduction | 11/01/22 06:06 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"No disrespect, but in the interest of "sharing inner thoughts" a bit more, this is an example of the type of thing that rubs me a bit wrong: I came to the profession by way of clinical sexology (I am a certified sex coach, my training cumulatively is over 1000 hours) and sociology (I have a master's in sociology, I wrote my thesis about pickup artists), so it's not like I woke up one day and just thought - huh, why don't I do this. Of course, it's fully understandable that if asked about your "b… | /r/seduction | 09/01/22 06:15 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"How would I say this without being disrespectful. I'm aware some folks online are offering services of some kind, and that means it's necessary to advertise. There's nothing wrong with this. However in a forum like this, where the topic at hand is also part-and-parcel to the business of a member... I'm just saying it can be an issue. Because then it becomes "was this an attempt to attract a client." It may be possible you are entirely genuine. But it's also possible there is "false hope" going o… | /r/seduction | 08/01/22 05:18 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"Hope you're doing better. So, it be good. I can't say there's anything problematic about what you said here. But you haven't provided much in the way of guidelines to find what I'm looking for. Before it goes there, I would have to remark that most online things seem impractical--the competition is too high for a guy like me if we're being honest. Look at the demand for example, most women in those places are very clear they only want serious relationships. And contrary to what some would think,… | /r/seduction | 07/01/22 05:51 AM |
| 1 | Appreciation for "The book of pook".Appreciation for BOP is to me not unlike appreciating Red/Pill. The principles are sound enough, but it does not have to be done that way. BOP is fairly zero-sum, "be better than the next guy" mentality. Offer resources, be a winner, type of thing. That's not one-size-fits-all, man. Honestly the more you agree with those things, the more cynical and even bitter, you will become. If you can't have that kind of conventional value, what then? The unfortunate effect is self-loathing and eventually d… | /r/seduction | 04/01/22 06:03 AM |
| 2 | Bursting the pussy bubbleSo I guess you're not that guy. Fair enough. Still, I am more than 10 years older than you. If you think most of the stuff you said before is still applicable, I would be open to learning. Perhaps I would want to ask a question or two. You're only 5'10" and you believe you're autistic, I would ask how you find dames. Is it all about the "musician" thing...? I mean obviously that helps--you are probably very independent, too--but I don't have such things myself. One of the many issues that are ti… | /r/seduction | 03/01/22 05:50 AM |
| 2 | Bursting the pussy bubbleIf you're honest, it's an odd coincidence. He had a very similar angle. Might you divulge your age, or age-range at least? | /r/seduction | 02/01/22 05:12 AM |
| 1 | Bursting the pussy bubbleThe other guy's account was literally "RachmaninoffFan" and so I am wondering if you are his other account, since some folks use two or more different accounts. I talked to this guy last about one month ago. You can just tell me if you're the same guy or not, just admit it. I don't mind. He claimed to be a precocious pianist on the spectrum. Not too dissimilar to you (though you say you're in a band, while he did not specify that.) | /r/seduction | 01/01/22 05:27 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?Eh well I'm 5'8-5'9" so I don't know if that's technically short. I think online it would be, certainly. It's borderline. If you were me, would you wear thick-soled shoes? (I'm definitely not wearing lifts, it just ain't right.) As far as, "not much you can do about it [but put in massive effort and get tons of rejections]" There's that, and then the fact that most women are in a position where they can get validation at any time, and string guys along with no consequence, simply just choose fro… | /r/seduction | 30/12/21 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Bursting the pussy bubbleI wonder if we have crossed paths before... are you that same guy I talked to on here a while ago, who likes Rachmaninoff? Certainly you may not be him, but there are similarities. He had a similar angle, mentioning Elon Musk of all people, as a kind of figure to "emulate" with a singular mission... assuming any given autistic guy comes with a high-level skill. That's not true for me, I also have the ADD with learning quirks, so it means the intellect breaks down fast, doesn't work reliably, etc… | /r/seduction | 30/12/21 06:13 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?I don't think that guy even does approaches--but let's shift the focus off of him for a moment. You say you don't have to be tall to find dames, it's more about overall marketing as the main thing--fair enough. May I ask if this implies a compensatory measure--for the guys who ain't tall--with job position and/or money? For instance if a given guy doesn't have a decent job, what then? I am also wondering if spin or even lying, to an extent, could cover that. I suppose my tone here carries a bit … | /r/seduction | 30/12/21 06:02 AM |
| 1 | Bursting the pussy bubbleA bit of an angry rant ahead, fair warning. About "it's great that you're only going for the real thing." But I'd say it's only great for you because you have the height, status, and money. Probably you're not autistic either. What about those of us who don't have these things--and are on the spectrum, to boot? Every day I resort to blaming genetics at some point. One side of the family has the strange (lifelong virgin) uncle, but the other side they are pretty successful. Lots of aptitude on th… | /r/seduction | 29/12/21 07:02 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?If you are not trolling here (some of your rhetoric comes across "oddly") discuss how daygame works for you. Where do you tend to meet these women, etc. How you deal with rejection, and maintaining self-esteem in the wake of it | /r/seduction | 29/12/21 06:35 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?How about some empathy on your part? Jesus... He's also autistic (as am I), and so it turns out many guys like this feel "unwanted" as a general rule. He's even much higher functioning than I am apparently. Your critique is not very inspiring toward my own journey, here. | /r/seduction | 29/12/21 06:30 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?Another guy in this thread put it a different way, which I fear is far more reflective of current reality, than your simple explanation. Here's the quote: Sadly, if your not super tall, or super paid the dating game most time is useless. Women nowadays would even prefer to date each other over an average man. You might as well say what's incorrect, there. Everything I've seen confirms it, man... (Maybe that last bit is hyperbolic, but the first statement is too true.) | /r/seduction | 29/12/21 06:26 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?What if he can't be 15-20%? You act as if "anyone could" with some effort. He's an autistic guy who's only 5'8" and apparently lacks the capacity to hold a more prestigious job title. Especially with autism, it's not always about effort, there are real limitations. Normal folk are often able to "adapt" to harsh societal conditions or even convincingly fake the symbols of status, but this is not a quality that most spectrumites really have. | /r/seduction | 29/12/21 06:20 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?But it's not as if a 5'8" autistic guy would, in theory, have that much of a better chance if he went old-fashioned. It's also clear from his words, he has rejection sensitivity and a shaky self-image. Consider that in real life, rejection is often harsher than the online variety. Not saying the guy "should not try at all" but I'm saying in this case, what else could be done? The odds are very low, apparently, no matter what. It doesn't justify the kind of effort needed, with the magnitude of re… | /r/seduction | 29/12/21 06:15 AM |
| 1 | This guy's take on dating. Agree/disagree?I mean, certainly it all makes sense, but don't forget, not everyone can have the advantages which led to your own relative success. It's an issue here because man, you're 6'2". This will markedly improve results (even if you may consider your own results "not great" relative to others.) But the other guy, whose story I quoted, is 5'8"... I myself, am also that height. Is the idea to "compensate with money/status" then? Personally, it's not a compensation I can make. If you know some exceptions … | /r/seduction | 29/12/21 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Any older female virgins (>25)? How do you get over it?You know, you sound hella cool. I wonder you never had this compliment before? | /r/seduction | 27/12/21 06:28 AM |
| 1 | Okay - I’m going to start cold approachingMaybe it's an odd question, but can you be a "low value" guy and pull this off? Let's say this low value guy (autistic, few prospects, etc.) somehow has a rare moment of confidence on that given day at the bar, or the park (daygame), etc. Could this be done? Or if it goes well, is it always going to reach quickly the point where they ask what I do and then compare it to "median guy" in my age group; in other words, the "normality" checks. If I was to be honest, it's hard to fathom how I could pa… | /r/seduction | 25/12/21 06:28 AM |
| 2 | Okay - I’m going to start cold approachingIt's weird to go out alone and try to chat up women you don't know. Do you know anyone who had success with this, other than Shad? Shad can get away with it. But no one else, usually. | /r/seduction | 25/12/21 06:23 AM |
| 1 | Okay - I’m going to start cold approachingBut after those 2 things, don't you also need social status, good career, and college degree if past 25? I mean maybe not to attract in general, but to meetup later, all of that has to be signaled or shown somehow, for the woman to actually meet. | /r/seduction | 25/12/21 06:21 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"It's hard for me to answer some of those things, dunno, it just feels embarrassing. The dissonance makes it look ironic, and the irony makes it look laughable. To me, anyway. I have been judged on this site or treated as a joke, at times, when being more forthcoming about what I want. It usually happens in a scenario where I give details about myself (some of which you've seen in this conversation) and then say I'm not really seeking a conventional relationship, the interest is more about a part… | /r/seduction | 24/12/21 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Honestly, Im tired of pretending to be someone im not just to get laidWell the implication there may be "you can't quite be yourself" if you want to get some action. I disagree there. I think this pursuit does not require looking one very specific way (high tone fitness, etc.) or otherwise improving status markedly--and of course many will beg to differ, but that's just wrong. Guys you would call "losers"--perhaps even because they are themselves, without putting on airs--are getting it done. Yes I mean even these guys find good casual, and they can do so without … | /r/seduction | 23/12/21 06:23 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"Sorry I can only get to parts of this. In the future I'd like a little more brevity, I'm not too "swift" as they say. Please clarify what you mean by this: But, if what you try to optimize is a turd, then all you'll have at the end is an over-engineered turd. Indeed it makes one wonder if that's your "tacit agreement" that conventional low value guy--which is, admittedly, me--would need to "level up" first before finding good woman. In other words, he has to stop living abnormally first, gain th… | /r/seduction | 22/12/21 06:26 AM |
| 2 | A Dating Guide for the Introverted Analytical ManBut not every introverted analytical man (I am one, to almost an extreme) is gifted and highly educated. I mention this because one or the other quality, looks to be implicit in your description. What am I to do, then? I have the tendencies you speak of, but not the qualifications; that's largely done gone. I'll add, some of what you said is interesting, but it's a shame that it seems like you're leaving the autistic or "challenged" guy, out of this. Like you're talking about NT introverts with … | /r/seduction | 19/12/21 06:30 AM |
| 0 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"The consensus answer seems to be like the first comment here, though: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/rj07ja/how_do_you_feel_about_all_these_women_on_social/hp0onij/ | /r/seduction | 19/12/21 06:13 AM |
| 0 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"SO yeah, can one help an autistic loser guy--who don't have much hope to stop being one--find good woman? No disrespect, but this guy is pretty crappy, he's like in the bargain bin. Or perhaps, is that already a paradox. You can see in this post and any other, how guys who claim they're 6 foot tall, social, good career, etc, are complaining how they can't get a decent woman's interest online. I don't know how much the rigged online game translates to real life, but I would imagine in any venue/c… | /r/seduction | 19/12/21 06:05 AM |
| 2 | My weird unexpected strategy to get girls to approachWell before you said bringing a book while (presumably) being by yourself, often works well enough. But now you provided an amendment that makes it look like one also needs "social energy"... this I don't have. I'm not one for group dynamics, either. One other thing I would ask on a whim, does it seem that the more "forward" women tend to be more trouble than its worth? I keep hearing from many different sources--not just this forum, but even real-life examples--that this "type" has ulterior mot… | /r/seduction | 19/12/21 05:44 AM |
| 1 | "Just get off the apps and go out and meet people bro"You're talking about the guy, not me, though. If I was talking about myself, I would say I'm more about "like for like", to an extent, but it seems the more I try to clarify what this means to me, the more I get accused of hypocrisy. It's nearly impossible to discuss this without accusations/walking on eggshells, so I don't do it anymore. I can tell you I definitely don't feel the way that guy does. I'll concede much of that comment was Mr. devil's advocacy. | /r/seduction | 19/12/21 05:29 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel about all these women on social media saying "don't approach us, it's creepy"That was basically what I meant, but I chose to delete the comment now because I got 26 downvotes, I wish I could understand why. I even clarified my position in what I felt was a fair way. I wasn't looking for "political correctness" points either in saying that "low quality" shouldn't be about looks, I do tend to wonder now if people were mostly reacting to that. I am about as far from a "White Knight" type as possible! | /r/seduction | 19/12/21 05:23 AM |
| 2 | My weird unexpected strategy to get girls to approachBut you still need to have status and money for this to work. They don't approach otherwise, man. | /r/seduction | 18/12/21 05:46 AM |
| 3 | My weird unexpected strategy to get girls to approachYeah but that unattractive guy is usually rich and knows everyone in town. Ain't no other way | /r/seduction | 18/12/21 05:44 AM |
| 1 | "Just get off the apps and go out and meet people bro"But doesn't this guy (following quote) who wrote this here, understand the game better than you? Apps and dating websites were meant for ultra wealthy men looking for gorgeous women and vice versa. Anything outside of that category within online apps are weirdos. Going to social gatherings, coffee shops, and the night life are pretty much where the rest of normal people make friends. Personally, me, it's the gym. I've never been intimidated by any man or hot woman in any gym because I'm the hots… | /r/seduction | 18/12/21 05:41 AM |
| 1 | "Just get off the apps and go out and meet people bro"Although, there's this https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/ri9htz/just_get_off_the_apps_and_go_out_and_meet_people/how5633/ Yeah, so what can we do, now? | /r/seduction | 18/12/21 05:32 AM |
| 2 | [deleted by user]So it's not a good idea to try and meet women 1-1? I'd think it could work at the store, or at the park, presuming you don't get bad vibes from her ahead of time. | /r/seduction | 18/12/21 05:26 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Agree that daygame is better, and you don't need the status and money thing, usually. But the problem is some of the women you meet will think you are strange/creepy for making the approach. Six of one; half a dozen of the other? | /r/seduction | 17/12/21 06:24 AM |
| 1 | Success Story - Cold Approaching WorksYeah but it wouldn't have happened if you didn't have the height, status, and money... hate to be that guy, but that's how it works. Today's game is only for the high-value guy. (Anyone who don't believe me, join a dating app, and you shall then be convinced.) | /r/seduction | 17/12/21 06:19 AM |
| 6 | "Just get off the apps and go out and meet people bro"Shouldn't he try daygame, then? I don't think daygame is only a young man's thing, right | /r/seduction | 17/12/21 06:15 AM |
| 2 | Shoot. Your. Shot.Only option is to pay? There is no benefits? Short-term? Etc.? Are you thinking such an option is only for the 5%? If so, I would say, that's not making a lot of sense. If you're just morally against it--please mention this. I think honesty is a big thing. I thought your point of view--"longterm or forget it"--is what you find in the relationship and dating advice reddit. It isn't often found here. I don't get your angle. All things considered, it's a common opinion to have, but certainly unusua… | /r/seduction | 13/12/21 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Shoot. Your. Shot.There's that, true. But I mean, is it too late for fun and excitement? Is it unacceptable for a man past a certain age to prefer to keep things light? I know you're against the more overt forms of hookup-culture--and believe it or not, so am I. It's just too shallow and objective at that level. But at the same time, I'm not one for a traditional relationship and all those implications. Perhaps "normal" or otherwise "extroverted" folks can accept all of that without complaint--as the rites of a r… | /r/seduction | 07/12/21 05:16 AM |
| 1 | What actually helped you overcome Approach Anxiety?What if you can't be exactly great at anything, though? | /r/seduction | 05/12/21 06:49 AM |
| 5 | Shoot. Your. Shot.Meh, doesn't matter if you have great looks and/or good money, it's much easier for you and non-applicable to most. I suspect that's the more important part of the story, which you left out, anyway. How should a less-fortunate guy approach the game? There's no option here to "become a winner," man. If you don't have a cynical answer, I'm all ears. | /r/seduction | 05/12/21 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Approach Us!!!What about it seems wrong, to you? | /r/seduction | 05/12/21 06:40 AM |
| 1 | Approach Us!!!Don't believe that you need "dat good career, high status" to have a chance in this game. In itself, those thought processes (while validated as partly true, by society) show you are making this into a difficult game, like a rat-race, where you can only have a chance if you're better than the next guy. If homeless guys can (even if rarely) get it done, so can you. But they don't believe they are "insufficient value, compared to the rest" so stop with that nonsense. It's holding you back. | /r/seduction | 05/12/21 06:38 AM |
| 1 | Does the concept of Friends With Benefits exist anymore?You must have money/good career, then? Or some other significant advantage. I always thought a guy didn't have to bring that much to the table, other than a belief in himself, some confidence, etc. Hopefully I'm not wrong... | /r/seduction | 05/12/21 06:33 AM |
| 2 | Women want a man with an edge and some balls. Looks and status aren’t enoughBut how is that working out for you? Honestly. Not even trying to prove you wrong, either. | /r/seduction | 05/12/21 06:22 AM |
| 5 | Women want a man with an edge and some balls. Looks and status aren’t enoughAgree. That's why I say you could be average looking, average height, no status, and still do well with women. You mostly just have to be your own person, and own it. This is true, and folks who are drawn to binary thinking won't believe it, but it happens often. Dating is not black-and-white; it is grey. Ya'll are letting RP-types hold sway in this place, and for what reason? Because "it's just the truth." Really? Where is your proof. If all you can use is "dating site stats," you ain't bringin… | /r/seduction | 05/12/21 06:19 AM |
| 1 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsIf you weren't military I suspect they wouldn't have gone for it, but I guess it's more that you had to be muscular, though. (I'm not that, either.) But if we're on the "positive side" I'd like to say, maybe something like that would be possible for me if only I'd put myself out there. Of all the ethnic "types" it is South Asian I've had the most interest from, unless they're just 'primed' to be unusually friendly in the West, in any event I've had a lot of indicators of interest before. But I t… | /r/seduction | 03/12/21 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsDo you need status or money to catch their interest, though? I hope not, for my sake... | /r/seduction | 02/12/21 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsAgain you don't need "status or money" you don't need to be together either. Certainly you need some game, but that's most of it. | /r/seduction | 02/12/21 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsIt's not about the bread. Nor is it a case where if you don't have height, you need money. Or if you don't have money, you need high social status. Ya'll are cynical if you're believing that. You can be an autistic guy, thin, not young, no career, still get good women. Might just be a fling, but I've seen it happen. Ya'll are very bleak in this thread. This is the most RedPilled thread I've seen in a while. | /r/seduction | 02/12/21 05:02 AM |
| 1 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsWouldn't have happened without your higher education and good income, though. Why is it I have nothing they want, man? Are some guys just "earmarked" as defective loser from the starting gate? | /r/seduction | 02/12/21 04:58 AM |
| 1 | The biggest Red Flags to be aware of when you meet someone. Don’t let looks cloud your judgment of her characterThe problem that occurs is like this: Any who feel like they have "options" inevitably becomes like that, or has a checklist of elite requirements, basically. I don't want to mention the implications of this, and how it works, and so on, but it does seem if they're in that age group and feel like they have options, inevitably they all require a guy to prove there's bread, higher education, social circle cred; barring any one of those, they will not talk to him, it's "next" etc. I'm an autistic g… | /r/seduction | 02/12/21 04:52 AM |
| 1 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsBut I mean you don't need to be tall athletic guy that makes money, to have good women, though. Don't need to have any of that, in fact. If that's what you think, RP reddit endorses that belief system, also "genetic determinism" is a big one over there. And from there, you get nihilism, too. Guys that don't try to meet women at all, because they're not tall and lack specific qualities endorsed in a materialist society. "Some have to win, others have to lose. Sometimes you have all the bad traits… | /r/seduction | 02/12/21 04:41 AM |
| 5 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsWell there's that, but I don't usually care about the education or job; it's the personality that matters. If she doesn't do anything professionally because she's ADHD/autistic, doesn't matter to me, provided she's got intense focus elsewhere--art, music, copywriting, etc. | /r/seduction | 01/12/21 05:37 AM |
| 1 | Let’s talk about Racial Preferences - based on statisticsDo you need to have high value to get decent fling, though? I guess another way to put that is, you can't have any significant deficit unless it is compensated (if autistic, be STEM material; if short, be well-educated; and so on.) Is it true | /r/seduction | 01/12/21 05:33 AM |
| 0 | The biggest Red Flags to be aware of when you meet someone. Don’t let looks cloud your judgment of her characterTell me what he's wrong about, though. I've found it always comes down to the lack of bread, or given skill/aptitude I don't have, simply because I'm on the spectrum. And they tend to be very prideful to the point of deliberate exclusion, elitism even. His whole list sums it up. Have found few-to-no exceptions, you see. | /r/seduction | 01/12/21 05:28 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]No but I mean, more for a "short term" thing. I'm one who believes that particular thing doesn't always affect what might catch your interest in the short-term, at least. I need this to be true, at any rate, I'm autistic and not able to have a normal life. I need to believe that it won't be a barrier for "less serious" things, as any kind of intimacy, even fleeting, is better than an entire life with nothing at all. Hopefully it's not like, "no decent woman is interested in that, but you can alw… | /r/seduction | 30/11/21 05:28 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Yeah, so does a guy need to fit a certain narrative as a "breadwinner" to have decent chance in the game? Could one be the opposite of this, and rely more on other qualities, passionate interests, etc? | /r/seduction | 29/11/21 06:05 AM |
| 2 | Here's everything I've learned about women, dating, sex, PUA, and seduction in my decades of life.But you did say you had something more inspiring... I wouldn't say this new comment just now, fits that bill. Not to be snide, though. | /r/seduction | 28/11/21 05:19 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Very interesting. It's a good explanation, and I hope you don't mind but I was "halfway" playing devil's advocate there. Which certainly doesn't mean your response is null and void, it just means you provided a better explanation than you would've otherwise. Most women here in this sub and elsewhere, will just say it's all unwanted attention, they prefer to be left to their own devices (don't approach them at the store, for example.) It was good to see a different take. It makes me curious, thou… | /r/seduction | 28/11/21 05:12 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]I'm just going by what most of ya'll say. They don't like to be approached in general, and especially not at the gym. There are exceptions, of course, but I'm talking about the standard modality. Have you been to the women-centric reddits, where they discuss these things? Am I to discount the consensus view on this? | /r/seduction | 27/11/21 06:09 AM |
| 0 | [deleted by user]I wonder if you be fooling or something, as most women will say guys should not approach at the gym. Further up here, in fact, there are comments that explain if they ask a guy for help, it's because he's the least intimidating, it has probably nothing to do with attraction. | /r/seduction | 27/11/21 05:07 AM |
| 2 | [deleted by user]I think she's totally into him. What do you think? I'd say, he should approach. | /r/seduction | 26/11/21 05:33 AM |
| 3 | Here's everything I've learned about women, dating, sex, PUA, and seduction in my decades of life.Well I appreciate reply although you are not the OP nor the person I replied to. I'm still curious how you found this old comment and why you would reply to it...? Also everything I said there is still true, with my life even worse for the wear now (burgeoning health issues, the same inflexible routines, worsening depression due to multiple factors, but especially a sick family member)... I'm not sure it's remotely possible to make gains on a situation that, 2 years ago, was already painfully lo… | /r/seduction | 25/11/21 06:07 AM |
| 2 | You can't logically convince someone to find you attractive.You went into DMs, but I prefer here, if you don't mind. So I've been doing the meditation and certainly it is helpful in many ways, but I've found with my practice that it does not help social anxiety. In fact I've found that it can increase apathy and depressive-thinking, even if slightly, and I believe this happens because it "blocks out" stimuli. What happens is you react less, but that has the side effect of lowering energy and inspiration. There's no will to "push through" and get things d… | /r/seduction | 25/11/21 05:47 AM |
| 2 | You can't logically convince someone to find you attractive.It's true I don't often like myself, but society won't give me a reason to like myself. It's hard to turn off society's metrics and think I'm "high value" regardless of lacking the trappings of a normal life. On top of this I don't even have the height. It's like I've got nothing they want. It is hard to like oneself, given these circumstances; it's like there's no choice but to accept being dateless virgin for good. | /r/seduction | 22/11/21 07:15 AM |
| 1 | You can't logically convince someone to find you attractive.I like to be optimistic sometimes, too. But are you even genuine in this? Your advice sounds too flippant. Although it's hard to know what to believe anymore. Lately I'm finding things like guys saying they're 6'2", hits the gym, good college degree, good money, but can't find anyone. At best it's like confusing, at worst it makes one think the dystopia is here. You have to be the "best of the best" to have chance. Or something. It's concerning, bro... | /r/seduction | 22/11/21 07:11 AM |
| 1 | You can't logically convince someone to find you attractive.You can still be a skinny geek who isn't jacked, and find good woman, though. I don't see why ya'll ain't mentioning this. For this, he'll need a lot of approaches and effort toward improving game. | /r/seduction | 22/11/21 07:07 AM |
| 2 | Dating apps; girls keep talking to me but are hesitant of grabbing a drink with meWell I mean spectrumites don't always have STEM cred, but I think some might be interesting? There's novelty value there even if he don't compensate that lack of social pizzazz with academic cred. They're not the type to put on airs. It's different, at least. | /r/seduction | 18/11/21 07:53 AM |
| 1 | Message for the guys that feel like giving up95% of every comment in this thread disagrees with the OP (and by extension, I guess also what you said here?) I'd love to believe you are honest and it works for you. And also (you have not specified) that the times you were successful, didn't also coincide with great looks or high status. If nothing else, why do you think so many guys here are saying the OP's wrong and maybe it's time give up? Are negative voices not to be taken seriously, simply because they aren't optimistic? | /r/seduction | 18/11/21 07:46 AM |
| 1 | This is everywhere here. Is it true?But do you have a different opinion now, after reading this: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qtjps6/this_is_everywhere_here_is_it_true/hkn9fz6/ Quite literally it's the explanation from the same guy who wrote that quote. He says he is socially adept in addition to all the other things. Given that, what am I supposed to believe? Would it be best to believe he is honest? Now I wouldn't assume much based on what this one guy or any other says, but if you add all the data and all testimo… | /r/seduction | 18/11/21 07:13 AM |
| 1 | This is everywhere here. Is it true?Thanks for that. But if you can, please describe the aspect of my post that speaks to you. Is it... you're feeling it's more of a dystopian situation every day, because of the testimony of so many guys, online and off, how the Game seems so rigged? Hard to want to try, given the presumed top 5% men be all they want? And the concern... what if that's right? "Certainly it would mean there's nothing out there for me besides rejection and even humiliation." Those types of thoughts? If not, tell me w… | /r/seduction | 18/11/21 07:00 AM |
| 1 | This is everywhere here. Is it true?I'm sorry to react with a bit of skepticism, but you are generally talking about Night Game and social circle game. I've accepted those things aren't really going to work for me, though... my reason (even if it's not an excuse) is I'm an autistic guy. Nor do I have motivation enough to fine tune everything so that I could minimize the impact of sensory stimulation (as a hypersensitive), which is a problem with Night game. Regarding social circle, if you can't really maintain one (I can't stand b… | /r/seduction | 18/11/21 06:41 AM |
| 1 | This is everywhere here. Is it true?First question I guess is, are you for real with this. I don't always want to check history, so I'll leave it to your answer if you reply. I assume you are legitimate based on the way you communicate here, though. Second question, would be about this: "Some people feel a 6'+ white handsome white guy is the standard that they need to live up to." I would think some of us who ain't 6' foot and don't really compensate with social swagger nor career/money, they tend to be unwanted or at least feel l… | /r/seduction | 18/11/21 06:12 AM |
| 3 | I don’t go out to bars much because I really don’t drink much and I hate dating apps - what do I do? How do I meet women? (28M).Women in those places are usually taken or otherwise aware many guys are there for that. It only works if you have great social skills or very attractive; if you can't check either box, you won't have any success there. Not to say one shouldn't join their interest group, but if you want to find anyone, you need to be high value, man. | /r/seduction | 14/11/21 07:15 AM |
| 1 | The Absolute WORST ADVICE that I have EVER HEARD (and that you are told everyday)But that doesn't have to be status, money and social circle nonsense. Conventionally low-value autistic men (few prospects, wonky social skills, highly aloof) can improve their value in unconventional ways. There are intangibles after that, too. | /r/seduction | 14/11/21 07:07 AM |
| 1 | M, 23. kiss-less Virgin NO MORE!But what if he's below 6 foot, autistic, has few prospects for a normal life, etc... not a great deal he could change there. Sure he could change his mindset, but would that be enough? | /r/seduction | 14/11/21 07:00 AM |
| 1 | Do girls really like being approached in public?I agree. I guess you would be surprised to find out the author is a man, then. I'm not asking you to judge this individual, though. Just wondering if you are surprised that it's a guy who wrote that? About this part, though: "Setting matters. There's a difference between approaching women at an outdoor food festival, as that's a place women go to be social," You then appear to say that such a venue is a place where women are in "ultra selection" mode. But I'm not sure a festival, local fair, chu… | /r/seduction | 06/11/21 04:40 AM |
| 1 | Do girls really like being approached in public?Well here's a quick extension... if you happen to be what might be called a "loser" (but otherwise assuming he looks adequate, dressed modestly well, etc.) by society, does it mean you should not approach given the odds of success are too low to justify the effort? Because if any given woman finds out more about this guy, if he is honest, he will be instantly disqualified. Although, what if he couldn't even fix the low-status thing... | /r/seduction | 06/11/21 04:17 AM |
| 1 | Step by step guide : Get a SexFriend in less than a monthFair enough, all I can say is that in the past, it has sometimes been the case that some Redditors that have disliked my presence or had heated words... will continue to follow my account and/or occasionally leave "mocking" comments randomly, well after I stopped replying to them. It wasn't always enough to block these individuals, given there has been a large number of suspicious comments from little-used accounts, popping up at times. I would briefly check the history of those accounts, most o… | /r/seduction | 06/11/21 04:13 AM |
| 1 | Do girls really like being approached in public?Looks like some folks still think you are joking or not quite genuine in what you say, though? If nothing else, answer this: Should I approach, or not? | /r/seduction | 01/11/21 04:27 AM |
| 1 | Step by step guide : Get a SexFriend in less than a monthGood advice, but I do wonder why you'd make this your first comment in Seddit, seeing as you haven't posted here before. (Apologies for glancing at post history.) I always wonder what's going on when someone kinda comes in from nowhere. It happens with good intentions I'm sure, but I often think it might even be someone "fooling around" haha | /r/seduction | 01/11/21 04:21 AM |
| 2 | Do girls really like being approached in public?Tell us what the other 90% should do, then... and "online dating" or "social networking" be the wrong answers. Many of us--myself included--be autistic and at a much bigger disadvantage in those scenes, than they are with organic approaches. Another one I don't like hearing is, "In that case, money. Because then they'll come to you, whether or not you're awkward." Honestly man, not just any autistic guy can be STEM material, statistically in fact, most ain't. So let's hear what else is left. Hon… | /r/seduction | 31/10/21 05:04 AM |
| 2 | Do girls really like being approached in public?Then in that case, I guess you don't agree with this? https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/qj5m00/do_girls_really_like_being_approached_in_public/hinyj7x/ In all honesty, I would welcome to hear (even if it's succinct) what you disagree with, there. I can say for certain, at least 90% of women who write about this on reddit (or anywhere online, really) will say they are entirely against it, not only that, but that they never met a guy that way, and so on and so forth. I am not sure what t… | /r/seduction | 31/10/21 04:58 AM |
| 2 | Step by step guide : Get a SexFriend in less than a monthCan apply for autistic, low-value guys, though? You know, no status, has an abnormal life, no social proof, and so on. Maybe there are some decent types out there who would look past all that, at least for a short-term thing? Anyone with a relatively serious (but not particularly gloomy) answer is free to reply. | /r/seduction | 26/10/21 06:01 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Being older is also a bitch, and if you're at that point the best way to abuse autism is in Elon Musk-esque way (if he is really autistic, and I'm not even the biggest fan).. Certainly bringing up that guy doesn't inspire more faith in what you have to say, nor the assumptions (even if you're exaggerating) that come with it. Maybe you didn't get the point about functional level, then? You're either misinformed about this stuff or have the idea that anyone who is autistic can do you what you can.… | /r/seduction | 26/10/21 04:47 AM |
| -2 | Don’t ever sweat the low body count.It’s not hard to have a high body count nowadays with OLD and the shift in societal viewpoints about casual sex and hooking up. yes but only with height, social status, or at least good money. Many men don't apply for any one of those. Autistic men who don't have one of those qualities (most will not) tend to be dateless virgins for life. So I would think there's a lack of reasoning in your "it's not hard to do this" remark. It invalidates the fact that it's impossible for a guy like me, to even… | /r/seduction | 17/10/21 04:59 AM |
| 2 | Don’t ever sweat the low body count.Yeah, but when that happens it's usually just about the bread, or the status. What if you're not young, you're autistic, got few prospects or money, you hate yourself (got a pretty crappy genetic card, so what's to like?), what then? Not even talking about becoming a guy with a few notches, maybe just "one" so I don't have to be a dateless virgin for my entire life, the one caveat it can't be paid or with someone who's more unhinged than me. | /r/seduction | 17/10/21 04:52 AM |
| 6 | Don’t ever sweat the low body count.You didn't even like them... so why put in that effort? Why put up with the useless drama, comparison games, bitterness, rejection, all for someone you're not even into? What are you aiming to do here? The more I read about it the more I want nothing to do with any of it, in the first place. | /r/seduction | 17/10/21 04:49 AM |
| 6 | Most people are looking for someone who isn’t youIf you're an autistic guy who cannot have a career, there will still be decent women for you, hopefully is the correct thing to say, here? And for said guy, it won't be like finding a needle in the haystack, there are a lot of decent women who would like this guy--even it only for a short dalliance--he just needs to put a little effort in. It's not always about leagues, it's also about intangibles, provided he looks relatively okay at least. | /r/seduction | 17/10/21 04:44 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Appreciate the long reply in the link but I don't have the focus tonight to really absorb it and get back to you. I'm going to gloss over it for now and come back and tell you what I think, sometime soon, though. For now a bit more background info tho... I still think you're miles ahead of me when I was your age, and this is likely down to your being either gifted or higher functioning, some combination maybe. A social family environment may have helped--I never had that. Anyhoo, what you sugges… | /r/seduction | 17/10/21 04:25 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]I agree entirely, but I'm still a highly abnormal loser, y'know. Also probably cannot do much to change that now, after all this time and basically social atrophy. So it's like--what good is the advice, in this particular endeavor of finding good woman. It's "better living" advice for me, the kind of thing I'm aware I need more of... but that's not much help to find woman, given who I am, and their expectations. It sounds like you're a bright/gifted young guy who was either forced to conform, or… | /r/seduction | 14/10/21 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Is tinder a scam?If the only answer is "good status" or "good money" then I just cannot come to terms with that. I don't subscribe to the "hyperrealist's view" of this, perhaps out of necessity, let's concede that anyway. A lot of hyperrealists are cynical and rigid anyway. But anyway if that's how you think a man must be, to have a chance for literally anything--even a simple hangout/date, whatever--then there's nothing to discuss, since I cannot be that guy. It is also not my way to think of socioeconomic stat… | /r/seduction | 14/10/21 05:06 AM |
| 1 | 35+ and living on the fringe, etc.That guy is not a seasoned veteran. If you looked at his comments on that thread, people offer him basic advice like suggesting to go outside and interact with people in the real world, and he reacts with negativity and dismissiveness to everything. Why? Because he, on some level, would rather stew in his own pessimism then lift a finger to do anything to improve his situation. Did you read the same long comment I linked to? By "WillgoWaggins"? I checked the rest of his comments in the thread. H… | /r/seduction | 28/09/21 06:32 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]You're being a jerk, with that last sentence there. YES I understand literally everything you said and have understood these simple guides (which probably work often enough, for the guys who really put in the effort) for years. Although I could try and be brutally honest with myself and agree to your "you may not be intelligent enough" comment in a roundabout way, because I am autistic and far from STEM caliber--so in a sense your comment works. Because many autistic men often report feeling "so… | /r/seduction | 28/09/21 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Is tinder a scam?It has a lot to do with it, kinda. Tinder as well as real life "scenes" are rife with all kinds of needless hoops to jump through, if you're a man. That kind of exclusionism is a very difficult thing to accept. A man should be seen as an individual to be respected in all contexts. Once you change the context to romantic/sensual sphere, this is the problem... this is where men don't just find themselves thoroughly unwanted, but even treated with derision... certainly not limited to just the alter… | /r/seduction | 28/09/21 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Is tinder a scam?Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/pw41p9/is_tinder_a_scam/hefe74d/ Is that guy making things up about the elitism of Swinger Clubs, or what? It's really bleak and depressing, to read that. He makes it sound dystopian; as if a man himself is entirely disposable until he carves a social footprint so deep, the local mayor knows him by name. What this man says about joining an alternative community with their reputation for open-mindedness--it's so dark, I shudder to think what … | /r/seduction | 27/09/21 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Is tinder a scam?The silver lining is, a guy doesn't need status and money to find good woman, and that's the truth. | /r/seduction | 27/09/21 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Is tinder a scam?And if alternative lifestyle game--like this--is our alternative: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/pw41p9/is_tinder_a_scam/hefe74d/ Why try at all? | /r/seduction | 27/09/21 04:41 AM |
| 1 | What do you do when a girl stares at you?Are you serious that you actually confirmed some of those women found you attractive or were interested, after approaching? Has anything "good" happened subsequently, if I may also ask? | /r/seduction | 27/09/21 04:32 AM |
| -1 | [deleted by user]To play Devil's Advocate here... is this how you actually look at things? You know this "objective" attitude tends to be quite off-putting and a lot of women don't like to be approached by guys they haven't previously met, or when they're out running errands, etc. I am however NOT saying men should not approach--really I be wondering how far a guy can get, if he has an objective attitude like this. I have trouble with the whole dichotomy, myself. And don't like to cause needless discomfort to ot… | /r/seduction | 27/09/21 04:25 AM |
| 2 | [deleted by user]I have trouble believing you actually believe the things you profess. Have you much experience with women or...? A lot of your comments are contradictory, self-congratulatory, and I could stop there and assume you are embellishing a lot. But there's also another thing I've observed over time: your angle is thoroughly self-centered. Having been told that I possess this trait myself (I'm a very "self interested" person who thinks in desires/goals, but rarely the social/empathic aspect) if I might … | /r/seduction | 27/09/21 04:13 AM |
| 2 | Seduction vs Escorts?It's pretty much over for me no matter what though, given my age added to my circumstances, it's just very undesirable in all manner of ways. At a certain point in life, and this is especially common for autistic men, the only option left is avoidance. Attempting to socialize in order to find romantic/sensual encounter, at this juncture, begins to be laughable and rejection can feel extra harsh for a man like this. With little foundation of value established, it means every negative assessment f… | /r/seduction | 26/09/21 04:13 AM |
| 1 | Seduction vs Escorts?Well top 10% could be interpreted literally, while it's more of a scale where money and status come into sharp consideration if you're not great lookswise; if pressed, you would likely confirm the point, since you claim you had some success there. As an autistic guy who's beaten down in life and with little to offer, I don't have access to your path for many reasons; but surely effort and a bit of luck ("at least one decent woman be interested, eventually") is all one needs? | /r/seduction | 09/09/21 04:18 AM |
| 1 | Seduction vs Escorts?To find half-decent woman these days, a guy has to be top 10%. Just going by very simple probability, most of us will not be able to enter that bracket. So I mean, what else can be done man | /r/seduction | 05/09/21 05:55 AM |
| 0 | Seduction vs Escorts?Didn't they just say you have to be top 10% guy to seduce, though? Otherwise, maybe go with escorts. What else should be said? I think even to get with "average woman" these days, whether that's for a night, or something more serious, you basically need to be top 10% anyway. Women generally have endless options, so it turns out even if they are nothing special, they still have way more options than you'd expect. What happens is, maybe you can be top 50% guy and find partner but the rub is, you p… | /r/seduction | 05/09/21 05:51 AM |
| 1 | Why can’t women just say they are not interested rantIt should be said, though... all those positive signals are not a guarantee there won't be future crappy behavior. I suppose what's even worse is I can hardly remember the last time I got them, given the way looks inevitably decline and I'm just not half what I used to be. It's only now in hindsight that I realized I would have had a decent chance back then, had I tried a bit. Washed up now and with so little to offer, I suspect one has to accept the unacceptable (dateless virgin) for good. | /r/seduction | 05/09/21 05:11 AM |
| 1 | A Five Minute Conversation Is All You Need To Get LaidOkay then. But in that case, if you're honest, have you corresponded here before? Something about this rings a bell, but it's not as if I can go back and check. Anyhoo, sure I'd like to believe your comment holds some truth in it. I mean dude it's like I've been de Iron Man (not the comics guy, but the one from Black Sabbath) for many years and painfully aware of it. By this I mean "he just stares at the wall" as he's metallic and rigid. I'm saying my life has been kinda like that for too long, … | /r/seduction | 05/09/21 05:04 AM |
| 0 | A Five Minute Conversation Is All You Need To Get LaidFirst question: This thread and my comment in it are from 4 months ago. How/why did you decide to reply to this? My guess is you found my account and checked the post history (which I would think is acceptable, usually) but even then, why reply to that comment in particular? I do tend to wonder if there's some kind of trolling here And secondly, do you even stand by that statement? Since you post in RP, I would think (again) you may be disingenuous. | /r/seduction | 01/09/21 04:03 AM |
| 1 | Why can’t women just say they are not interested rantYeah, and how would you do that? You don't get to screen woman you meet randomly like that, bro... | /r/seduction | 01/09/21 03:50 AM |
| 1 | Today, for like, the first time in my life, I, a 29 year old male, talked to a random woman in publicMay I ask if you've had any relationship/dating experience, prior to this? Pretty much I'm the lowest rung in this place, which means my advice or contributions are rarely valuable, but I felt you had an interesting anecdote. Maybe have something slight to offer, if you confirm (as I suspect) that you have a lot of social delay/anxiety and no real experience prior to this. (I don't judge either way, and remember I'm a complete fifth-wheel anyway, so I'd have to be a fool to judge.) | /r/seduction | 26/08/21 05:56 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]I'll say it's hard to not make things awkward in general, if you happen to be like a fork, in a world of soup... | /r/seduction | 26/08/21 05:47 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]You know what I don't like, it's the fact that Shad doesn't have to deal with rejection. (Well I mean he does, but his likelihood for getting a yes is 500% higher than most guys, so he doesn't have to care, just keep going.) That's simply unacceptable, when you think about it. While the autistic/low-value guys not only cannot expect anything if we're realistic, the rejections are much worse and often harsh, and the flaking be constant. Shad barely deals with that, if at all. Anyone else really m… | /r/seduction | 26/08/21 05:45 AM |
| 1 | [deleted by user]Okay, but listen. If you ask women (and especially dating advice/relationship reddits) whether a guy should approach, quite universally they will say it's creepy and uncomfortable for them; they'll go on to say guys should "only approach in places like bars and clubs, where it's expected." What am I to think? Certainly I can't do social circle game (I'm on the spectrum) and I can't do online dating (again, I'm an autistic loser), nor can I do night game (can't stand those environments) so if I t… | /r/seduction | 26/08/21 05:41 AM |
| 2 | Why can’t women just say they are not interested rantBut it's not acceptable that some strange guy the girl was with, should tell this other guy off. That is very immature behavior, and unacceptable! | /r/seduction | 26/08/21 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Daygame NIGHTMARE! (My daygame experience and story)Social circle game doesn't often work for autistic guys, so I don't agree there. Social circle game requires group dynamics--which is a very taxing obligation for one who is dysfunctional as a rule, hence why most autistics tend to be introverted or solitary. Autistic guys can't do nightgame either (noisy, crowded environment, leads to poor vibes and anxiety)... they can't do online dating (too competitive)... the only thing left is daygame. I would think 'complaints' or whatever is very rare, a… | /r/seduction | 14/08/21 05:20 AM |
| 2 | 9/10 girl who is very engaged in convo frequently disappears. Need suggestions. (Includes screenshots) [Serious]It's not Zero-Sum, don't tell him that. Too depressing and not even true at that. You can be a guy with little to offer and still find good woman. It's not about that degree or career, just about being yourself without self-loathing. That's most of it. | /r/seduction | 14/08/21 05:12 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Sorry it took a month to reply and I also will have little of anything "good" to offer, but it is what it is You said before you think you're possibly "on spectrum." Well, I dunno, man. You apparently don't relate to my unique challenges. Are you even aware that socializing can be literal pain? Certainly you could say that to many folks and they would not agree, but spectrumites understand. What gets me here is you don't get that concept. Which implies you didn't go through it. Now let's look mo… | /r/seduction | 14/08/21 04:57 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.To "become social" is the only way? Surely, there has to be something else. I'll bet there are unsocials or antisocials who get it done (I am a mix of both, neither fully one nor the other. I'm both anxiously avoidant, as well as highly rebellious in a hidden, but wickedly angry way.) While one does need to admit that socializing is a requirement to this, you are acting like a "metamorphosis" needs to happen. But certainly, this is not one-size-fits-all! Some of us cannot be, and should not atte… | /r/seduction | 10/07/21 05:30 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Ah, well, that's interesting about the name. But names aside, for a moment... How could one like me, an unorthodox screw-up, find someone half-decent who might be interested? And let me also admit, I'm not specifically wanting a relationship only, I'm looking more for other aspects. In my case, that may decrease already low odds, even more. Let me explain for a moment. I tend to think the casual stuff can work for the very physically attractive guy, or maybe the "very social" guy with a bit of s… | /r/seduction | 06/07/21 05:23 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Interesting. About the name thing... do you mean "Ian" or literally "Aeon." My username is meant to rhyme with the real name "Ian." It turns out the most common pronunciation of "aeon" sounds exactly like "Ian" and so that's why I chose it. | /r/seduction | 29/06/21 05:50 AM |
| 1 | I love this subreddit, but i hate most of you.If we're being honest, though... can we deny the element of "determinism" in game? Much as I'd love to deny it (and believe me, on a good day, I will say game is more about effort)... I keep seeing the same guys in real life, doing well with women. Y'know the tall, attractive, typically extroverted... or maybe the bright guy with a well-paid career... and not so much the guys who don't fit neatly in any of those categories. Similar thing here. I'll notice some guy on here trying to give advice o… | /r/seduction | 29/06/21 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Leverage social proof while going out alone:Okay, if you'd rather cut to the chase, then. Are you talking progress as in "first fix broken life, contribute in society like a normal person, and only then approach/use online dating prolifically" or progress as in, "even if you can't have a normal life, if you approach a lot and socialize, you might still have chance to find good results eventually." I will also add that this thing with notch counts of 200-1000+... or teenagers here, talking about their escapades... it makes one very envious… | /r/seduction | 29/06/21 04:19 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.This may sound odd, but I have a habit of sometimes checking recent post history. I find yours to be interesting, in some ways though, I am not sure if your experience could translate to my (potential) experience. Do you have any "outsider" cred, yourself? Do you have any guy friends who are past 30, "losers" etc... who still meet women, etc.? In the first case, I think there are a lot of ways in society to be an outsider. And if you're a man who happens to be one, it usually means "dating" is g… | /r/seduction | 26/06/21 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Leverage social proof while going out alone:Yes, negativity. But equally (understandable) fear that something like this is true: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/o48og3/reminder_not_to_rely_too_much_on_dating_advice/h2j6g46/ I don't need to bore you with the details behind the context, but sometimes I will portray a bit of Devil's Advocacy or exaggerate my own cynicism in hopes I can ferret out some good counterpoints. Instead, that guy just confirmed everything I said. Doesn't mean he (or the RPill) owns the whole truth, but I… | /r/seduction | 26/06/21 04:58 AM |
| 3 | Unpopular dating opinions I've gathered over the yearsI disagree, because a guy could be an autistic loser who don't have a career, and still do well with women. At least, it's in your best interest not to say that's false. I still need to hold onto the last bastion of hope, y'see. I need to have faith a few good women are more "organic" and won't quickly assess status on a pass/fail basis. That they're willing to try novel things including giving a true outlier a chance even just for a day. Has to exist, right man | /r/seduction | 21/06/21 06:28 AM |
| 3 | Unpopular dating opinions I've gathered over the yearsYeah. And ain't no one want the guy who don't bring home good bread or isn't hyper-independent with a busy life. It makes me very depressed to think about it. Are there any decent women who think differently? | /r/seduction | 21/06/21 06:24 AM |
| 4 | Reminder not to rely too much on dating advice from the opposite sex...I'm a guy, so my advice is valid, is it not? I can say what works is being either very attractive or extroverted, first. If you fail that check, the next thing that works is having a high status life making great money. Barring those things, nothing else will work, in my opinion trying to "find good woman" with those circumstances you're looking at astronomically poor odds. Basically men are not desired unless they have a few select shiny qualities. Sorry but in my opinion, it's hard to justify … | /r/seduction | 21/06/21 06:15 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.You kinda "half-answered" this, maybe you could be a bit more forthcoming? I wonder if it was also a case where you couldn't get a "yes" from those you were interested in, and so had to accept others otherwise you wouldn't have met anyone. I mean I'd like to know if that was the deal, or if perhaps, that's just how it works indefinitely for "guys like this" provided they don't have status to compensate I know it's a very thorny issue, of course. Very seldom talked about in a way that sounds resp… | /r/seduction | 20/06/21 04:56 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.I found it helpful to work on building up my confidence by adjusting my standards and expectations and going out with people with who I didn’t have any intension getting serious with. Perhaps this is a bit of a side-winder, but does any of this mean you weren't exactly attracted to these folks, but you went with it because you needed the experience anyway? And--given this was online dating--I wonder if it was also a case where you couldn't get a "yes" from those you were interested in, and so ha… | /r/seduction | 16/06/21 05:27 AM |
| 1 | How I Solved My Failing Situation With Pretty Women And Trying To Find Someone Who Has Done The SameDefine some of the things that comprise a guy who gives himself value. Y'know, what most women want is generally a guy who has "more to offer than the next guy" and for that you need to have a few "markers of status" to prove it, which I don't have and generally lack realistic access to. If I had the looks and/or height, probably it wouldn't matter if I had the status, money, or not... but as it turns out, I'm merely 5'9" and average looking on the good days. And with my thin frame, it's a real … | /r/seduction | 15/06/21 05:00 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Fair enough. But then, at least say if the following post about the "dating scene" for men is right, or some totally bitter (and nearly delusional) blackpill crap: https://www.reddit.com/r/aspergers/comments/nztj7g/who_else_has_never_been_in_a_relationship/h1snovu/ Especially this quote from it: So as a man to be seen as attractive, anything that is a strike against attractiveness -- like you're short, you're not fit, you have a high pitched voice, you don't have a good income, or you have a dis… | /r/seduction | 15/06/21 04:31 AM |
| 8 | How I Solved My Failing Situation With Pretty Women And Trying To Find Someone Who Has Done The SameIt's clear he means higher education, stable career, and decent money. But that's not an answer for many guys. It cannot be the answer for me, as an autistic man who's not able to have a traditional career. Anything decently well-paid is generally out of my grasp, for a litany of reasons that come down to either socializing, capacity, unmatched interest level, etc. So I have to look for what else might work. If anyone replies, cynical answers ("in that case, pay for it") will not be read. | /r/seduction | 13/06/21 04:34 AM |
| 2 | Thoughts on gaming as a fat guy.I don't think he needs to be congruent there. If he's open to that, sure, but if he's not... to me, it does not always mean hypocrisy by default. He should go for what he's attracted to, within reason. I've seen plenty of "fat" guys with more "classically attractive" types, myself. So it's not that unusual | /r/seduction | 13/06/21 04:29 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Reminder? | /r/seduction | 13/06/21 04:05 AM |
| 0 | “Do women like muscles?”When you're saying you like "skinny lean guys" you're probably not including those that have thin wrists or forearms though. No matter what happens, much as this sounds pathetic, I am always left out. It's almost like being invisible, bro | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 06:01 AM |
| 2 | “Do women like muscles?”While apparently none are opting for the skinny autistic guy who can't direct his own life, though. Not even for 5 minutes. Apparently if a guy is average looking or thin, it then becomes all about the status/money thing. Like a binary if-then statement. And that just brings me down. I don't get no respect! Apparently a guy like this is seen as "subhuman" and undeserving, etc. | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 05:57 AM |
| 5 | “Do women like muscles?”No disrespect, but why are you here if you have almost every genetic advantage and dated "100s of women" as you say? You're just making the unfortunate guys feel envy. That ain't very inspiring, man Personally, I want to hear about the ultimate underdog type, who has virtually none of your advantages, doing well in this endeavor. That's where it's at... | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 05:51 AM |
| 3 | “Do women like muscles?”I contend being thin even without muscles is "in shape" and should be treated as such. For 99% of human history at least, generally speaking, everyone was what would be called "thin" today. In a sense, it is the default state, and a signifier of health. It's either a travesty that naturally-thin guys are typically seen as "low value", or it is not true. I'd prefer it to be the second one... | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 05:49 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Then why don't you show me how you do it, then. Give direct example. If you can help me to find one single "hangout" even, regardless of anything else, you win | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 05:28 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Enough that lack of "tallness", status, and money wouldn't matter? | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 05:22 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.That's why men with autism/ADHD start to hate the world, because of folks breaking it down into an if-then statement like, "if not attractive, then gain status/money" and such. As if the second one is attainable just because given guy lacks the first. You forget that when you're saying "just climb society's ladder" about 80% of that is either socializing or executive functions... in both conditions, social skills AND executive functions are shown to be impaired. I got the mild autism with ADD co… | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 05:16 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Where's the example of guys "less valuable than you" who do well with women, though? You gotta have some good news there, man | /r/seduction | 12/06/21 04:44 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.If you're getting dates at 5'3" you obviously compensate with great credentials or job/money. Ain't no other way, bruh | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 05:47 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Why would it make anyone feel better to learn that a tall, good looking, and accomplished guy is getting stood-up by 80% including humiliating rejections, and also that a guy who's lacking in ANY way at all would be hard-pressed to attract as you imply "mediocre/average" types these days? I don't see that it's helpful exactly. I mean if you said "my shorter, autistic friend who never had a real career, seems to attract some of the same women I'd be interested in" then you'd have something to off… | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 05:41 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.What exactly is the OP doing wrong? Sometimes you cannot choose to "not feel" the burning effects of rejection. As an autistic guy, I have the harsher thing yet, I have Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria so that even online rejection feels brutal for me. With all the other factors going against me, also, I think there's likely no choice to but to accept being dateless virgin for life. What else could be done? I think you know about my drastically low value, bro, from before. It ain't gonna happen g… | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 05:33 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Some guys cannot get a great life or work, even for just themselves. What then? Don't make it so binary, bro. You know that some losers past 30 are still seen with decent women. It's not impossible. | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 05:29 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.And if you don't have looks nor money, you can get rejected permanently. Provide anecdote of autistic or otherwise loser guy, past 30, without great looks or money who does well with women. If you want to prove me wrong. | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 05:27 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.You don't need good currency to get decent women, though. It's not "either good looks, or good currency" to have a chance in the game. As if you're average looking and have a crap job or no job, it must be over until you're on the way up in life? Is that how you think? It's just wrong, man. | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 05:23 AM |
| 2 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.You could be running your own harem in six months no matter who you are. "No matter who you are" is either proof that this is sarcasm or you're making it up for some reason, or some very misguided belief. Provide anecdotes of utter losers past 30, etc, who actually succeeded at this, and I'll perk up at least. But where I live in the world, you have to be tall or legit good looking, if not either of those, then a genius or very well-paid. A lot of guys aren't exactly any of that (most will be "a… | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 05:07 AM |
| 1 | If you're not a traditionally good looking guy, be prepared to face A LOT of rejection and by LOT I mean A LOT of rejection. This is guaranteed so make sure you have the emotional ability to deal with it and stay in the path for longer duration.Don't tell me that an autistic loser, not tall, not exactly attractive anymore, past his prime, can barely do shit in life, is in basically 1 in 15,000 territory? Say it ain't so, right? I've had a lot of folks even after realizing I'm "bottom drawer," they'd still tell me it's usually not even as bad as 1 in 1000 approaches. Which I would not even do, either, I'm in a small town and don't like to travel... I could never even get close to that number. Nor am I a "only wants a meaningful relation… | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Just fucking go out.I'm not really looking for longterm relationships, though O.o | /r/seduction | 11/06/21 04:43 AM |
| 1 | I wanted to share a small victoryJust so long as you're Shad you can succeed in this. Yes there are exceptions, you could be the opposite of Shad but then you'd need to have a great answer for "what do you do" because that one answer will determine everything that happens next. Shad might be asked where he works but his answer doesn't matter at all in 90% of cases. Opposite of Shad depends entirely on the answer, whether the girl will be interested. So a crap job or no job it's over already. And I hate that it's like this. Are … | /r/seduction | 10/06/21 05:38 AM |
| 3 | Just fucking go out.I think you could do a lot of this without the "being very social" part. Or at least I'd like to believe so, as I'm an autistic guy past his prime, I have to believe there's a way. (Well, so long as it doesn't require good credentials or a fancy title as a way to gain acceptance without having to socialize much, that's the caveat there.) | /r/seduction | 10/06/21 05:32 AM |
| 0 | Just fucking go out.Doesn't matter whether they would be into geeky stuff themselves or not, it's just that it has to be with Shad or if not traditional Shad, you can be a polymath making 6 figures on the side, etc. I'm so tired of this rigged game and equally the folks saying it's not like that. Yes it is like that, I'm afraid. The evidence is there for all to see. It's like a formula that never deviates, man. Ain't no one gonna give the time of day to some 5'9" guy with mild autism and few prospects. Since I don'… | /r/seduction | 10/06/21 05:25 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsHmm for what reason? Personally I don't have any impetus to go through the oldies | /r/seduction | 06/06/21 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsSure there's that. But, the timing of your reply is very interesting. How did you even find this? This is something I wrote 3 months ago to another user. | /r/seduction | 05/06/21 04:36 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective: Empathy in DatingWell if you don't support the idea of my stated interest... I am not sure what advice you would have, or perhaps, what impetus you would even have to correspond? I always appreciate empathy or the concept of support, but I'm afraid I'm also looking for solutions, answers, help toward this specific thing. While your interest is in longterm arrangements, also your morals are aligned that way... I don't see what is to be gained here. You don't believe in, and would not encourage what I'm looking fo… | /r/seduction | 10/05/21 05:51 AM |
| 2 | If this is true, what is the use?Women (real women, not hoes and gold diggers) don't want tall guys with perfect abs or a ton of money - they want the guy who has discipline and motivation to get ripped, intelligence and work ethic to earn a lot of money, confidence to own any situation despite his physical shortcomings and ability to discuss emotional issues calmly and truthfully instead of fighting and being abusive. Don't really have much, if any, of that... though. But I think there's discipline and motivation in staying th… | /r/seduction | 09/05/21 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective: Empathy in DatingI appreciate that you took a while to respond in depth. Unless you are very fast? In any event, I tend to be--on average--a very slow writer, due to a variety of reasons, in particular dealing with mental fog routinely along with a natural tendency to either misconstrue others or misstate my own intended point. So it takes a lot of thinking, often some rewriting/editing, to get things somewhere in the neighborhood of accurate--and even then, I'm still off in some way, too often. I'm afraid the m… | /r/seduction | 09/05/21 04:45 AM |
| 1 | Men in your mid-30s or older, where are you meeting single women?Maybe I could get myself to even approach in the first place, after getting a fabled "brain transplant"... hopefully such a procedure exists? Do they give those, anywhere? Cuz after all this time I still cannot find any justifiable reason; for there's nothing I have that they want. Not masculinity, not financial security, not swagger... just nothing here | /r/seduction | 09/05/21 04:04 AM |
| 1 | Men in your mid-30s or older, where are you meeting single women?It's because of money and status, then. What to do if you don't have any of this? | /r/seduction | 07/05/21 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Men in your mid-30s or older, where are you meeting single women?Can you be an autistic loser type, though, and still find cool woman that's interested? | /r/seduction | 07/05/21 05:25 AM |
| 1 | If this is true, what is the use?How could he create better "perceived value," then? | /r/seduction | 07/05/21 05:15 AM |
| 2 | If this is true, what is the use?Social expectation at this age is to have your life together and even succeed in some areas. And that he did. Is there an unspoken comment from you, that he may "need to be even more successful yet, given the implication is, he's only hitting the minimum bar"? If you're actually saying that, you already proved your own main claim wrong; you are thus saying he should be above the curve... i.e. more status than the next guy. I don't really care how you wish to break this down semantically; if that… | /r/seduction | 07/05/21 05:11 AM |
| 1 | If this is true, what is the use?The problem turns out to be that a vast majority will only give you a chance if you fulfill a standardized checklist first. I don't have the main items checked... nor even quite a few things that would be considered "basics." | /r/seduction | 07/05/21 04:53 AM |
| 2 | If you think a woman is 'Out Of Your League'Nah it's not really the confidence, although that helps, most assessment is surface-level. So you touch on this yourself, basically... the problem is, no decent woman has any reason to even consider a guy without great looks or great status; you'll need one or the other to even be a blip on her radar, as I've found. Much of this is caused by Social Media Effect as you mentioned there. What's happened is, a man just becomes another applicant, while the attention keeps getting piled on. They don't… | /r/seduction | 07/05/21 04:39 AM |
| 1 | A bit of a reality checkNah I've found it's quite different; it's almost always just about that longterm relationship for them. Which means if a guy doesn't have the qualities becoming of a relationship, he doesn't get to experience anything, in general. Not a date, fling, short or longterm... nothing, basically. Quite deflating when you happen to be a guy who lives a stigmatized life, cannot provide, etc. I expect to live the entirety of a life without this experience even once, because of my limitation. And it quite … | /r/seduction | 05/05/21 06:18 AM |
| 1 | A bit of a reality checkWell, no disrespect, but I'm not sure I believe you. Maybe some more context? | /r/seduction | 05/05/21 06:14 AM |
| 1 | If you think a woman is 'Out Of Your League'Not too happy, in all honesty I would think average guys would say that, though, because it is true?! | /r/seduction | 05/05/21 05:42 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective: Empathy in DatingWell, first understand, one of my deficits is not always being able to assess if someone be genuine or not. I mean I'm tempted to check your post history and wouldn't be surprised if I see you writing threads on "how to get a high value male" and trying to encourage women to focus their time "only on breadwinners", or whatever. A lot of times I've seen self-proclaimed empaths discuss ways "to weed out the losers, quickly" in other places. They just don't include that stuff in Seduction or other … | /r/seduction | 05/05/21 05:30 AM |
| 1 | A bit of a reality checkSorry for checking post history briefly. But you yourself have implied--I did say "imply", since I am looking between lines there--in some of your other comments that because you have "strong achievements" yourself, you can only accept guys who are at least your equal, if not your better. Now... this is what I'm seeing veiled between the words, because it's not PC to say those things out in the open and lots of folks are aware of that fact. I'm running on the fact that women are more selective a… | /r/seduction | 05/05/21 05:14 AM |
| 1 | I'm an Eminently Average Looking Guy And Here Are 3 Things That I've Learned From My Experience.Normally I might agree in some way. But it might just have my number, at this point. I cannot accept the thought of being mocked for things I cannot control, any longer. Just tonight on my other account, where I post occasional "ads" in r4r reddits (not the lascivious kind, either), someone checked my post history and copied my ad word for word into another unrelated forum. (The catalyst was my writing a sarcastic comment aimed for some fun and games, but they thought I was serious, apparently.)… | /r/seduction | 05/05/21 05:04 AM |
| 8 | A bit of a reality checkYou don't need Game or PUA tricks maybe, but a guy will need either good looks or good credentials. If you don't have one, you need the other. Lacking both there is virtually no chance, that's the other "reality check" I guess | /r/seduction | 04/05/21 06:10 AM |
| 1 | If you think a woman is 'Out Of Your League'If you see that, it's usually because of the dough... Not exactly inspiring | /r/seduction | 04/05/21 06:06 AM |
| 1 | How To Get Women To Invest In YouNah it still doesn't work unless you're very attractive or otherwise have a great job/money, etc. | /r/seduction | 04/05/21 06:03 AM |
| 3 | Female Perspective: Empathy in DatingI guess this is a tangent, but you should have empathy for guys on the spectrum who cannot compete in the way you expect. Can't count the number of times I wasn't even acknowledged as an existent entity, because I lacked a "good job" or a certain social finesse... these are things I can't do a whole lot about. | /r/seduction | 04/05/21 05:57 AM |
| 1 | I'm an Eminently Average Looking Guy And Here Are 3 Things That I've Learned From My Experience.But what if you're like this--average looks on your best day--but have autism and cannot have a normal life? | /r/seduction | 04/05/21 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Question for the bros out there with a hidden physical deformityHave you gotten dates or intimacy, relationship, any of that yet? Just wondering | /r/seduction | 03/05/21 04:46 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingI don't think you can draw a direct line between those categories and I've said this dozens of times over the years. Hypocrisy is everywhere I'm afraid even those who say they aren't, often turn out to be later. There's no reason to make comparisons between screening for bread vs. screening for looks, and which of these "groups" is more hypocritical. Again, personally it does bother me greatly that I can't get a reply without a 6 figure job... but please check your assumptions. I mean is it to b… | /r/seduction | 03/05/21 04:41 AM |
| 1 | Identify yourself with your potential, not your possessionsA cynical/realist type could read your comment and think, autistic men have such low odds in the Game, it may invalidate the effort? Most certainly they don't have emotional maturity (rejection sensitivity is rampant) nor even the emotional intelligence. Sorry but what you've said is the opposite of inspiring, to these tired eyes... | /r/seduction | 02/05/21 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Question for the bros out there with a hidden physical deformityCurious how your condition has affected your game? I don't have that, but I have other problems beneath the hood. I have attentional and social deficits, also a lemon, not young anymore, so it just compounds and I figure it's not worth trying. it doesn't help that the only talk I see from women on this, be like "He has to be 6 foot+ and socially smooth and have a good job, at minimum" and yet here I am, with none of that... | /r/seduction | 02/05/21 06:11 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingFair enough, although the guy whining was myself... xD | /r/seduction | 02/05/21 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingIt could be implied from some of the turns of phrase, you follow? With online dating you can ask the other person all kinds of questions without it being unnatural or awkward to weed out the people you’re compatible with. You wrote that, and then concluded your comment by saying you need some kind of "further confirmation" that a guy is worth dating besides attraction and chemistry. Not hard to think that these "other qualities" includes status/mobility, what else would you be referring to? In y… | /r/seduction | 02/05/21 05:12 AM |
| 0 | Female Perspective On Online DatingCertainly not, but the problem is most women think like that. What's a guy to do? Seemingly there's no way to win unless you're tall and attractive, or make good money. I just don't tick any of the boxes for the most sought-after traits. | /r/seduction | 02/05/21 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingYou appeared to be saying as much, with this, though: And guys, if you're not killing it in the working world... | /r/seduction | 02/05/21 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Where would you go if you were a 35m who has never been in a relationship, has no close datable friends, and suffers from crippling approach anxiety?I'm not OP but have some similarities, if you hadn't realized. About myself, I'm thin and average looking at best. Define well-put together, because I'm almost certainly not it. So yeah I'm pretty much one of these older basement-dweller types, although the one upside is few would guess that I am based on optics alone. In actuality however, it is what I am, my status is not simply zero... it is negative 50 points. I mean a great catch means decent job and social status right? So yeah I'm the opp… | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingShe also wrote this: Of course character matters. Because women are looking for security. So if a guy is treating you badly... no security. I do hear your point about like 'Give people a chance and discover....' But not the way the world works. Let me give you an analogy. My Uncle is a prof at a fairly prestigious university and he says when they are hiring the first thing they look at is where the applicant got their doctorate from. If it's not a top 30 institution, it gets tossed. The person i… | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingI don't think the women in this thread represent the majority. I've known plenty of losers in their 30s, no job, even homeless at times, who have been with "quality" women even though it wasn't a serious relationship. I mean, you're telling me if you told any of them you have ADHD, Asperger's and/or couldn't work, they would automatically want nothing to do with you? I don't believe the world is just THAT cold. | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:42 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingBecause she's an attractive woman, she can afford to look for job status and prospects (can he provide a lot?) and expect to find the top-tier. We don't want a work in progress, we want the guy at the finish line. All of our friends going back to college always got the best, and we don't suffer fools gladly, that's how the world works and I'm blunt about it. I'm sure men do things in the same way, it's not like it's much easier for us, it balances out | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:36 AM |
| 0 | Female Perspective On Online DatingSo a guy needs "good money" at least? That's what I'm seeing between your lines there, and it's quite disappointing | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:32 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingThere's that, but just look at what the other women in this thread are saying. I've long suspected there's no hope for me, but now it's just cemented. Y'all have these terrible expectations and I don't want to get into that "let's turn the tables" debate, it's not even close. Just looking for a little companionship/intimacy is all a lot of us want at the end of the day, for both genders... sure you can have some standards as to be expected, but why not also "feel it out" instead of planning all … | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingMultiple doctorates is a stretch, unless they were child prodigies? Either way, it's an unfair advantage, | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:15 AM |
| 2 | Female Perspective On Online DatingYou don't need good job to get some action, man. That's RP stuff. | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingWell then how did you even get with them, in the first place, if they are that selective? | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingYou make me depressed, as you're not looking at the reasons WHY some guys would become like that. Until you've done that, you're going to keep having this toxic attitude, which will cause undue difficulty | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 04:53 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingShe also wrote this: Hey trying to respond to as many of these as possible. So I think we have to be honest. A guy whose not meeting the attractiveness threshold or the good job threshold is unlikely to get a reply even if his first message is brilliant. Very telling, you agree? I'd even venture that "quality" guys wouldn't give this woman much of a chance, and no matter how good the optics are. The silver-lining here is, women like OP and her friend will more often that not be left alone, simpl… | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingI can play those cards, but what of the odds? Did you see this: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/n057n9/female_perspective_on_online_dating/gw5jpru/ It's from some random woman apparently. It did not feel particularly good to read that. They decided to pile it on because less-fortunate men deserve to feel more excluded I guess. Seems to maybe represent the way the "average woman" thinks about men in today's world, though... Or FDS is leaking, maybe? One can only hope... | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingI'm definitely no fan of black pill. But I think it's a problem when the woman in the OP and multiple others here who claim to be... clearly are. Seems to blunt the optimism this place tends to have about attracting, without materialist trappings... when the objective itself, says they need all that bread or you ain't getting a second glance. | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 04:28 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingBut it's not like guys who don't have themselves together can't get action. Clearly this woman in the OP and multiple others in this thread subscribe to the FDS school of hyper-selection. On the upside, I don't even think guys who are "winners" generally enjoy being around those women, they may tolerate them, though, which is still a shame. The entire attitude is toxic. Thankfully, there are plenty of decent types who don't have a long-ass checklist. | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 04:24 AM |
| 1 | Female Perspective On Online DatingAlthough, there's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/n057n9/female_perspective_on_online_dating/gw5jpru/ Why try at all? | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 04:13 AM |
| 2 | Where would you go if you were a 35m who has never been in a relationship, has no close datable friends, and suffers from crippling approach anxiety?Perhaps not "the mall" but I would think a lot of women you may call introverts are on hiking trails, they go to parks, and so on and so forth. They are not ashamed to do things by themselves, unlike your stereotypical social "mainstream" type. I said what I said because if the OP wants to go through the "social circle" route, he needs to be equipped naturally (to an extent) with standard presentation. If he's a wallflower, the bar/club scene is not going to work for this particular goal, and ha… | /r/seduction | 01/05/21 04:11 AM |
| 19 | Female Perspective On Online DatingYou're saying that... while you used to tell me before, as a 35+ autistic guy with no life and few prospects, there's hope so long as I go out and try, etc. Hard to look at this, and believe you're honest... | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 06:16 AM |
| 8 | Female Perspective On Online Datingjobless or in a low-paying career (she cares about this a lot whether you think girls should or shouldn't, most do) Because men with ADHD, mild autism or anything along those lines just don't matter and should all just give up entirely, is that it...? You realize there's often a reason for the low achievement, it's because society likes to exclude guys who lack a certain fluency in social manner, or cognitive tone. It's always unsettling to see this confirmation firsthand, not that I wasn't expe… | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 06:11 AM |
| 1 | Where would you go if you were a 35m who has never been in a relationship, has no close datable friends, and suffers from crippling approach anxiety?Do you need good status and money, though? | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 05:48 AM |
| 3 | Women will respect your courageCaffeine/coffee may help with courage, even as it sounds strange to say this here, that can be an occasional shortcut for social blockades... | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Women will respect your courageI'm not a very independent man, but I would think some independent women wouldn't mind... perhaps, especially if I make that first move with tact and respect xD | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 05:18 AM |
| 1 | how do i bounce women within first 45 minutes to my place?I wonder if your success is partly due to having the "validation" of a LTR, which depending on how you navigate this, may impinge on my (and others) ethical codes. But, regardless of what anyone may think, it's proven to be an advantage if the women know that you're taken; they like something that is "hard to get." Would you be even half as successful in this, if you weren't taken or never had been in a relationship before? Let's go there first. As for the other thing I wanted to say, I contend … | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 05:17 AM |
| 1 | Where would you go if you were a 35m who has never been in a relationship, has no close datable friends, and suffers from crippling approach anxiety?Don't condescend, mate. If you're actually serious, I could answer, though | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 05:06 AM |
| 1 | how do i bounce women within first 45 minutes to my place?But if he did have those qualities, even without "great looks", it could certainly be done. That's my point. | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 05:04 AM |
| 1 | how do i bounce women within first 45 minutes to my place?Ridiculous. I'll say a guy may not need to be hot, but he has to be at least average looking for casual relations. But then that average looking guy also needs to have social skills, a career, full independence, etc. Put another way, the less attractive a guy is, the more he needs to compensate with social skills, money, and personal agency. The "very attractive guys" mostly won't be screened for anything else, not even game. Doesn't need anything else, just that he looks great. Game is probably… | /r/seduction | 28/04/21 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Women will respect your courageWhat about Brazil, though? | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Women will respect your courageWhat if you're not handsome, then? | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 05:34 AM |
| 1 | Women will respect your courageDefine "not creepy." I suppose it's kinda politically incorrect to talk about it, but can a guy be creepy just from his looks, for instance? I've become more insecure about my looks over time, I could specify more if you want | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 05:29 AM |
| 3 | Unpopular opinion a girl would only hook up or date you if she thinks you’re HIGHER value than her.As a bartender, I see a lot of “low value” men dating primo women. I'd like to agree with this, since it would be healthy to have some optimism for a change (I'm "super low value" and like to believe there's a chance), but I imagine what you're talking about is highly social extroverts, who maybe don't look great or have a great job. It's not like I can rely on my social skills to make up for what I lack in other (in fact, all) areas, since I'm autistic. My genetic fortune was shit, man. I wish … | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Where would you go if you were a 35m who has never been in a relationship, has no close datable friends, and suffers from crippling approach anxiety?Well I'm in your age group and similar with social limitations, and still a virgin, minimal experience with women, etc. What I've found is it's super-difficult to even find the "average" type who wants that, though... lack of status notwithstanding, being 35+ limits things a lot by itself. Speaking for myself now: I know it's a lost cause, I just won't admit it to myself, I hold on to hope with this because to say "it will never happen" has caused depression I cannot cope with. I choose the more… | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Where would you go if you were a 35m who has never been in a relationship, has no close datable friends, and suffers from crippling approach anxiety?This guy sounds like he may be on spectrum though. The "potential for good results with women" through intensive socializing and all the responsibilities it carries (to "always be on, know what to say, and how to say it") is too low to justify the effort. I cannot say for sure whether OP is on the spectrum, but I can say as a guy who is, this is 100% the case with me. "Getting to know folks" and having a social circle in the scenario you speak of, would be the last thing I'd want. I could not ha… | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 04:59 AM |
| 1 | how do i bounce women within first 45 minutes to my place?It can happen for guys who are mediocre looking, though. I don't see why the negativity. Mostly, all a guy needs is some confidence and optimism here. | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 04:55 AM |
| 3 | how do i bounce women within first 45 minutes to my place?When I pitch the date I say I'm not looking for anything too serious, and that's how I screen. But the problem with that is, most lose interest instantly after you say that... and I tend to think it's a point of great discomfort for them... after all, everyone knows, it's all about getting a relationship for women. What we think is "casual" is merely, for them, an attempt to seed interest for a traditional relationship down the road. The whole dynamic is terribly imbalanced, and to me, almost no… | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 04:53 AM |
| 1 | Everytime i see a hot women it feels like something in my heart brakes or dies. Does anyone else have that?Some of us are not worth knowing anyway. Saying this as a guy who once was (but no longer is) handsome. Because I was a defective loser then, as now... Just saying there's a good chance you haven't missed much. | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 04:45 AM |
| 1 | A Five Minute Conversation Is All You Need To Get LaidIs my other comment here, more accurate, then? | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 04:35 AM |
| 1 | A Five Minute Conversation Is All You Need To Get LaidOnly if you're in your 20s, though. I don't have that luxury anymore | /r/seduction | 27/04/21 04:28 AM |
| 1 | A Five Minute Conversation Is All You Need To Get LaidAlong with being legit attractive, along with a steady career and a social circle, is that what you meant there? Maybe it's a bit quippy/snide, I'll give you that, but I'm saying the problem is... it's not always about the work of improving game... it's also about have and have-not. And certainly being on the spectrum, means "have not" with a relative few lucky exceptions (I am not one, obviously.) | /r/seduction | 25/04/21 04:52 AM |
| 1 | If there is one thing that would attract you the most about a woman, what would it be?That is the wrong answer, mate... | /r/seduction | 25/04/21 04:46 AM |
| 2 | If there is one thing that would attract you the most about a woman, what would it be?I agree, and a good example of this happens online. The number of women who don't simply list their 3 college degrees and 6 figure job, but go on to write exhaustively about their social circle and 30 hobbies and whatever... thinking it ups their value greatly? They're completely mistaken, in fact that's one of the most off-putting things... to see that. Pride is acceptable to a degree, but above a certain fuzzy-threshold, I'm looking for the exit sign... you agree? Honestly, the only time I'm i… | /r/seduction | 25/04/21 04:44 AM |
| 2 | Some girls just flat-out suckBut what if you know you're low value, you contribute little or nothing to society, and you cannot really improve much because you're on the spectrum and lost your chance in life (inaction and avoidance.) it would seem in a case like this, every negative judgment from others (especially in the tougher context of rejection) is simply the truth. So how would you approach pick-up, if these circumstances were yours? | /r/seduction | 25/04/21 04:11 AM |
| 1 | Resources or groups to help connect single guys wanting to go out and meet single women?Referencing the comment from further up where the guy says "check FDS subreddit to see what women require," I think it's a concern. Apparently, men have to be minimum 6 foot height and if past 30, at least 6 figures income, according to what they say? Why even bother... | /r/seduction | 25/04/21 04:07 AM |
| 2 | Resources or groups to help connect single guys wanting to go out and meet single women?But a lot of guys I know are shorter than 6 feet, said it worked well for them. So I think this "top 10% only" stuff is a myth | /r/seduction | 24/04/21 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Everyone is taken!With all the strange precautions and isolation, couldn't it also mean they have more desire than usual, though...? So the idea being, it may even be easier for the OP, provided he keeps trying. (Dunno about this, but some folks here said it seemed to be the case) | /r/seduction | 24/04/21 05:37 AM |
| 1 | Is this a group anyone can join or jus males?I'm sorry, but the argument doesn't work for me. Yes, it does seem like there is often a lot of work women put into their appearance, and it's not something to take for granted. But most of the rest there... you're talking about standards women set for each other. That's "women's social code" level stuff. Men don't care, in fact the less conventional you are (to an extent), the more interest you will have. Men are less likely to approach if you're presenting on the level of the "higher social sp… | /r/seduction | 24/04/21 04:29 AM |
| 1 | Always approach girls no matter whatMight be easy for you to say, mate... | /r/seduction | 22/04/21 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Always approach girls no matter whatAlthough, ain't no one who likes the guy who ain't a provider. And it really gets one down... to think about it | /r/seduction | 22/04/21 06:17 AM |
| 1 | Anyone from IndiaThink of the guy you wanna be and start working towards being him. That's inner game. Applicable in more ways than one. The subset of girls that like this guy will come. But first you must be him. That's what game is. Being. But I cannot be even half-normal, any longer. That ship has come and gone. You need help. So either get it or remain where you are. Both are choices. Choose the path that you won't regret taking 5 or 10 years later. In a sense, the "exit sign" looks more appealing than being… | /r/seduction | 22/04/21 05:53 AM |
| 2 | Is this a group anyone can join or jus males?Except autistic outliers can be high quality, too, though... | /r/seduction | 22/04/21 05:42 AM |
| 1 | Is this a group anyone can join or jus males?Come on man... just look around, or something | /r/seduction | 22/04/21 05:40 AM |
| 2 | Is this a group anyone can join or jus males?Asking a specific person out, if that's what you mean, it can be difficult for both genders. However, even then, the following explanation has a large bearing on how these things play out between genders. Speaking generally, the difference is, they don't really have to do all that much to be seen as desirable. For men, there tends to be a lot of boxes they need to tick first, before anything else happens... certain height, has a social circle, not particularly awkward or shy, college educated, d… | /r/seduction | 22/04/21 05:32 AM |
| 1 | Is this a group anyone can join or jus males?A lot older than you and just starting out, as well as profoundly scatterbrained and uninterested in the grand plan, I can state (hopefully without being judged) for me it's more about the moment. Take that as you will; it could be a very bad look for a guy at my age to not only be starting out, but to be honest that he does not exactly want a traditional relationship. I guess that sets me up for scorn, or accusations that I want "an object, not a person" or something. Folks don't understand, I'… | /r/seduction | 22/04/21 05:26 AM |
| 13 | Is this a group anyone can join or jus males?Not to sound like a buzzkill, but this is not often a resource they need, etc. With guys it's generally like playing from behind, -50 points from the starting gate, although some factors can and will make up for it... for most guys, it's always an uphill battle. So just a simple analogy to explain why it be this way | /r/seduction | 20/04/21 06:28 AM |
| 1 | First cold approach in months, rejected but worth itI think it's the FDS/Femcel type that deserves that scorn more. I'm not sure if this person has those characteristics? Maybe some of them, but does it tip into such territory? To me it's a murky thing, whether the whole FDS thing originates from too much privilege (target demographic, relative affluence, etc.), and then becomes about expecting the best due to narrative expectations, while the "best" is never good enough. I think every guy knows who this "woman" is, we've all dealt with that, the… | /r/seduction | 20/04/21 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Anyone from IndiaThat's quite the low bar. Although low bars are good because they set you up for being blown away whereas high bars set you up for disappointment. For a starting point yes perhaps that's a good bar but trust me, the sky is the limit. I've seen guys say they had 300 approaches to get one date/hangout, however you call it. And they'd tell me it went no further, even. That's kind of... disenfranchising. Hence, the whole reason I'd say "a couple of dates" is a success... although this presumes you d… | /r/seduction | 20/04/21 05:19 AM |
| 1 | HOW TO MEET PEOPLE WITHOUT COLD APPROACH OR ONLINE DATINGThey're still all taken, though, or at least that's what I've heard. Ain't no way to win... | /r/seduction | 19/04/21 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Anyone from IndiaDepends on how you define success. At least a couple of hangouts, even if it didn't lead to anything more? That'd be a decent starting point anyway. On the other hand, if you got several humiliating rejections or got in trouble (one guy from India, in another thread here, claimed a woman called security because he "smiled and nodded"... ridiculous, but he said it happened) I would see it as a bad omen, at best, and probably cease to approach. I don't have the composure to handle that, man. Hell … | /r/seduction | 19/04/21 05:37 AM |
| 1 | First cold approach in months, rejected but worth itI think I would get some matches, if I tried the OP's approach... Well, hopefully? | /r/seduction | 19/04/21 05:29 AM |
| 1 | First cold approach in months, rejected but worth itWell, normally I'd like to support those who think along the same lines... but I think that's taking it a bit far maybe? Unless you meant arrogance/personality disorder? | /r/seduction | 19/04/21 05:26 AM |
| 2 | First cold approach in months, rejected but worth itThe woman above you there, knows what's up. I suspect it may be more of the "standard" response on this topic, all things considered. As I see it, anyway, the game is about being open-minded and enjoying compliments (after all, who doesn't?) I don't know where you're getting all this negativity from! | /r/seduction | 19/04/21 05:16 AM |
| 1 | Made a tiny move todayDon't listen to that guy. 1 Sounds like a troll trying to start controversy over nothing. This is literally the first time I've heard of something like that happening, over several years of reading this place. On principle, it is ridiculous, anyway. 2 If he's being honest, he comes from a conservative country that tends to put certain kinds of social interactions into a "gray area", unlike the West. So I wouldn't put much weight on it, if it doesn't apply to your locale. | /r/seduction | 19/04/21 05:11 AM |
| 15 | First cold approach in months, rejected but worth itThere are multiple women in this thread who claim this guy's approach is either objectifying ("this guy has a quota") or off-putting, as if it's unacceptable to talk to random women this way in public. I take no stance either way; what's fascinating to me is just how different y'all seem to think about this. Many will say one thing (against it); others, it's almost the complete opposite. | /r/seduction | 18/04/21 06:07 AM |
| 2 | Made a tiny move todayI don't remotely understand how about 20 comments in this thread are all saying "this is creepy" and one guy claims he got in trouble, for making a little eye contact and nodding? Back when I was out and about more this same thing would happen all the time, very often it was the girl who would nod at me first, then I would return the nod. I personally think it's more friendly than an indicator of interest, but who knows? Not once have I been perceived in some "bad way" for a little eye contact a… | /r/seduction | 18/04/21 06:01 AM |
| 1 | Anyone from IndiaOkay, I will admit some of what I wrote is a little bit deceptive, since I'm not exactly forthright, in a sense... I'm not from India, but I had been assuming a lot of what I said is correct. Believe me I've seen plenty of Indian guys all across the internet, mentioning how hard it is, how the whole Arranged Marriage thing is so toxic, how the culture itself lacks the openness to accept approaching (which is a "western thing" according to them.) It just sounds like a very tough situation because… | /r/seduction | 18/04/21 05:17 AM |
| 1 | This Is Why You Should've Approached That Cute Girl You Saw (Real-life example)Well I'm sure you've known some autistic loser guys who improved with women? Tell me how they handled it. Maybe it's just rejection sensitivity (which causes dysphoria) that I need to overcome, then the wonky voice and other things don't matter as much. Ever seen Hamilton Morris on VICE channel? (You can look him up and see how he acts.) Dude looks and sounds autistic as hell. I'm sure he could still get decent women even so, without divulging his celebrity status or strong education. That is, a… | /r/seduction | 17/04/21 04:45 AM |
| 1 | Anyone from IndiaYou must be from a more liberal part of India, then? You know as well as I, it's all about pre-selection there, and a lot of that is tied to money and status. "It's all about the bread, in India" is what they say, and it's too often true. This is all due to the roots of the Caste, Arranged Marriage, along with a still very conservative culture that enforces specific gender roles, along with a few other factors. There is no approach game in India, beyond being high value enough that they'll come … | /r/seduction | 17/04/21 04:39 AM |
| 4 | This Is Why You Should've Approached That Cute Girl You Saw (Real-life example)Whoever this guy is, they have a masculine, neurotypical voice. A real advantage on its own--and another one I lack. I'm afraid approaching is less successful for guys who aren't neurotypical and thus don't have that kind of effortless masculine fluency in their words. Hard to even want to bother with approaching, considering there's another dozen deficits in addition. It's not just my voice, it's also the posture, the shit life, the lack of interest in social mores, etc. Those of you who aren't… | /r/seduction | 16/04/21 06:29 AM |
| 1 | Anyone from IndiaAre you from India, though? it's a much different ballgame there. | /r/seduction | 16/04/21 05:48 AM |
| 1 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?Alright, thanks man. The examples help. I do have things I'm passionate about but it's kinda difficult to achieve at the level I seek, with those things, because my ADD is a real cluster-fuck, and I cannot treat it, due to various issues. So I'm sorta like one of these "good for nothing" types on average, except very occasionally I can impress myself, it is hard to reach that point. If I could ask one more thing, I would ask if you're into a specific "type" of woman, do you have any standards or… | /r/seduction | 16/04/21 05:45 AM |
| 1 | The Main Reasons of Why You're still single or NOT good with the ladies - 3 Brutally Honest Truths.Well, this is a case where I'm not quite sure what to say. There's a few different things I want to say, but not all of them seem right or fully fleshed-out. I would first say, I'm sorry to hear that you've had that experience in your past. I suppose it comes across as very "token" but I don't know how to express these things, y'know. I'm going to illuminate one of these points, but I may not have the capacity for it right now. I'm afraid of coming across hypocritical or perhaps a bit cold and a… | /r/seduction | 16/04/21 05:31 AM |
| 2 | The Main Reasons of Why You're still single or NOT good with the ladies - 3 Brutally Honest Truths.Are you for real on this? If so, what would you think about a guy on the spectrum? | /r/seduction | 15/04/21 06:19 AM |
| 1 | The Main Reasons of Why You're still single or NOT good with the ladies - 3 Brutally Honest Truths.He's a black-piller trying to prove a point, probably going back to his BlackPill den to say how many agreed/how many converts he got. Don't listen to this guy. Because even autistic losers still get decent women... provided they like themselves. That's really the most important thing. Usually the folks that don't like themselves, are stuck on BP/RP. | /r/seduction | 15/04/21 06:17 AM |
| 1 | Anyone from IndiaWhat you're saying is kinda in the vein of Caste system values, Arranged-Marriage values (all about the "bread"), and so on. Very unsettling for the Indian guy who wants to believe he can find good women outside of those old, degrading systems that need to be put away. The Indian man wants to be considered as an individual, but finds he can only be a commodity, first. I've never seen guys in so much pain about all of this as Indian men. They always say it's all about money, more than any other c… | /r/seduction | 15/04/21 06:06 AM |
| 1 | How many are easily swayed by the "cynical" angle?How do I like what? Quite literally I have little clue of what you're referring to. It looks like you're trying to be The Snark, though. I'd rather have constructive advice, personal testimony, or something of that ilk, instead | /r/seduction | 14/04/21 04:52 AM |
| 1 | How I learned to stop loathing and actually do something about myselfI'm not always good at concision, true, but it doesn't mean I'm a bad writer. If the only criticism you have is about a lack of concision skill, what's the use, from my point of view? If you have a problem with the message or something else to add, I could see that as good justification to reply. It is not clear that you did not like what I was saying--as, judging from your summary of my post, it looks like you are ambivalent on the point. So basically you only commented to mention I wasn't succ… | /r/seduction | 14/04/21 04:47 AM |
| 2 | I give up.It's not very inspiring. With my odds being almost certainly worse than yours, I'd be looking for something positive. Hopefully you don't try and be all "hyper-realist" and say it ain't happenin', or whatever. Maybe you had some success before when you did actually try? I'd like to hear about that. | /r/seduction | 12/04/21 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Why do you approach women ?If you're average looking or even a bit below (on my worst days I rate myself a 3, on my very best I'd rate myself a 6)... could online dating work in the first place? Would it be worth putting in effort to "improve photos" in this case? | /r/seduction | 12/04/21 06:13 AM |
| -1 | How I learned to stop loathing and actually do something about myselfWell, the more natural, the better. Big Pharma wants you think their synthetic formulations are normalized, accepted, and established--and they succeed, although much of it is propaganda. You see, there be natural things out there, like cannabis, kratom, and potentially even amino acids/nutraceuticals can help (theanine, taurine, magnesium.) All of these things can help with anxiety. A lot of the Big Pharma stuff, whilst the most studied and consistent, is designed to keep you hooked indefinitel… | /r/seduction | 12/04/21 06:03 AM |
| 1 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?I never thought about the harsh word theory of autism. Though Aspurgers May not be associated with it. I'm also "Asperger's level" and I can tell you current research does not separate Asperger's from autism. So yes, the "harsh world theory" applies to any proverbial case of Asperger/autism, although just a theory, it is one of the best accepted. I do hate to tell you this but this method does come with extremely high levels of rejection so if that isn’t something you can deal with I’m afraid th… | /r/seduction | 12/04/21 05:49 AM |
| 1 | How many are easily swayed by the "cynical" angle?Well you may have a point there, but you haven't addressed the second part of that argument, that being if you're a 30+ guy, you need to have "good money" to get anywhere. Personally, it's like I don't have a leg to stand on, anywhere. I'm just about everything they don't want/need, man! | /r/seduction | 11/04/21 05:27 AM |
| 1 | How many are easily swayed by the "cynical" angle?The problem is, as always, who am I to believe? Which side "gets closest to the truth" basically. It would be good to know where some of these RP/BP doomers are coming from. Most of them are also very eloquent, which seems to add weight to their arguments, if anything. Then you have a few guys here and there, including in this forum, which say they basically have none of the "surface value" that "all women require" according to the hard-line guys. They say they're on the spectrum, not exactly ta… | /r/seduction | 11/04/21 05:22 AM |
| 2 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?Well to me this is very intriguing, but also (yeah, there goes that cynicism/wariness) slightly hard to believe at times. I do not like to judge anyone, and I'm certainly not judging you, but you paint a picture of someone with a social skills deficit, along with some other surface-level obstacles. I'm trying to tread very carefully as I point this out, so it doesn't seem like I'm trying to put you on the spot, or seem callous, etc. I'm just saying it would seem the odds are very much against yo… | /r/seduction | 11/04/21 05:06 AM |
| 1 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?Two questions. Have you approached a lot and had any kind of success, however small it may be? (Lack of success I would say is "zero dates/hangouts" and/or "humiliating rejection") Do you also have ADHD? | /r/seduction | 10/04/21 04:46 AM |
| 2 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?Don't believe what this person says, because most of it is BS. Anyone could say they are 'perfect' and not bitter, "just saying this because it's the right thing to say" but this is clearly not one of those cases! And I know this from experience, too. You with me on this, bruh? | /r/seduction | 10/04/21 04:41 AM |
| 1 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?Yeah those are the same exact concerns I have... approaching "en masse" seems beyond foolish for the sensitivity issue, but equally because of how it could affect reputation. And then having to remember the rejection and humiliation for many years, on top of it. No amount of talk therapy has or will ever help this issue with me, nor any of my other serious issues... and I can confirm from experience. I've determined it either must come from myself, or possibly psychedelic therapy. The first opti… | /r/seduction | 10/04/21 04:35 AM |
| 1 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?Well I mean should he approach in the mall, on the street, etc.? There's a person up here in this thread saying it's creepy for a man to do those things--they said "grown man should not approach" and "listen to what women say about that, all women agree they don't like strangers to approach." This seems to imply that they believe approaching is a "younger man's game" but that OP at the age of 30, and anyone above that age, should not approach women because it's creepy. In a sense that's a bitch … | /r/seduction | 09/04/21 05:12 AM |
| 2 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?And people can say "just move on to the next", but I wouldn't even have a chance to get better, nobody wants to be the one "saving" the reject, they'd reject me on principle, because, dare I say it? We live in a society of crabs in a bucket. "Go back to the back of the bus you fucking nerd", as they say. If this is true, then tell me how these guys who say they had to approach 200+ to reach a desired outcome, are/were able to do it. I assure you some of them said they were either awkward or auti… | /r/seduction | 09/04/21 04:57 AM |
| 1 | Unless you are especially handsome, there is no reason for someone to find you attractive prior to you interacting with them. The majority of attraction is created via your actions and behaviors within an interaction. In many cases, the interaction comes prior to attraction, not vice versa.Indeed I'm able to hear myself, and virtually none of it strikes me as incorrect. Show how I'm wrong, then | /r/seduction | 09/04/21 04:53 AM |
| 3 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?You might have to explain that better, because it reads to some folks (hence downvotes) and myself, that you are saying if he isn't screwed right now, he might be in the near future. Doesn't bode well for me either. Very soon I shall reach a certain highly stigmatized position unless somehow I get super lucky... | /r/seduction | 08/04/21 05:01 AM |
| 2 | I am nearly 30 years old, have autism, and never been on a date. Women block me when they learn about my inexperience. What can I do to improve my dating chances?There's that, but let me point out that one or two guys in this thread say it's all about money and status, but this guy (the OP) seems to lack access to these 2 things indefinitely. Is it over, in that case? Does OP need to have a good job/money to have a fair chance? | /r/seduction | 08/04/21 04:56 AM |
| 7 | Unless you are especially handsome, there is no reason for someone to find you attractive prior to you interacting with them. The majority of attraction is created via your actions and behaviors within an interaction. In many cases, the interaction comes prior to attraction, not vice versa.How do you know he's depressed? Couldn't it be he's also telling the truth. I mean after all, for example in my case, I'm a 5'9" guy who's quite thin. My forearms are like twigs. But I can't really gain muscle mass because I'm unable to lift heavy weights without triggering my chronic pain (I don't make this up, by the way.) I mean basically everything I've found shows women don't accept some 5'9" thin guy. Maybe if I had a great job/money, but I don't have that either (and lack access to it, ho… | /r/seduction | 08/04/21 04:46 AM |
| 2 | Unless you are especially handsome, there is no reason for someone to find you attractive prior to you interacting with them. The majority of attraction is created via your actions and behaviors within an interaction. In many cases, the interaction comes prior to attraction, not vice versa.Dude they seem to have good reasons though. A lot of the time you don't see decent women with a guy who isn't 6+ inches taller, or otherwise has smooth physical features. I mean, where do you see unattractive and/or short guys with good woman? Show me this place, I'd like to see it for myself, to believe. Certainly no one doubts that some guys can compensate for lackluster features with charm/charisma, but it would seem to be very rare, y'know? | /r/seduction | 08/04/21 04:43 AM |
| 0 | I feel very weird approaching in the mall butWhat about the thin guys (depends if you consider that "out of shape") with no life stability, certainly you won't see any of them with good woman. And that fact, for me, causes no end of bitterness. In my case those are things I cannot change. | /r/seduction | 04/04/21 05:07 AM |
| 1 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?Nah man if you didn't realize what I was saying there, I was saying I'm not able to do either one, even if I got started on one or the other, I would not finish (lack the focus and motivation.) I'm basically out of range on those things given my relatively advanced age, so it's either I'm a very pathetic case, or a good example of an autistic guy who never had the right support. But I still think some decent women could be into me, even as a total dead-weight. Right? | /r/seduction | 04/04/21 04:59 AM |
| 1 | I feel very weird approaching in the mall butKnow any low-value guys who have flings or relationships with attractive women? Your answer to that is all the proof you need. | /r/seduction | 04/04/21 04:54 AM |
| 1 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?Has your friend with all those deficits, been able to find intimacy, etc? I don't think even if not it's unimpressive, but in the end, there is usually a certain desired outcome. I will say if you knew a bit more about me, my age, and so on, it's possible even you would admit to "yeah, in that case, just pay someone" etc. I think some stone cold outcasts/losers at a later age have gotten it done, but it's very rare. | /r/seduction | 04/04/21 04:52 AM |
| 1 | I feel very weird approaching in the mall butAttractive women only want top 5%... it's not so much your age. Studies show a man has to be top 5% to get a date with a conventionally desired woman. | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 06:30 AM |
| 1 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?Nah it doesn't tend to get better. It's all about the pecking-order, which is rather cruel when you stop to think about it. To think I either need to climb to be worthy of any attention, or act the part (which is quite deceptive and manipulative), it's a bitch. I'm already playing from behind in 7 of 10 different categories, what use is it to even try in this case? | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 05:38 AM |
| 2 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?If you didn't work or go to school full-time, you could still get quality women. This whole status thing is a myth, unless you want to settle down, wherein those things start to matter. My work AND my school is grappling with the endless dark night of the soul... I have enough on my plate just from being here, since I'm autistic I need to put in massive amounts of effort just to keep the ball rolling, in the first place. If you're working and schooling full-time you're either a genius, or suffer… | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 05:33 AM |
| 1 | Leverage social proof while going out alone:Well you were a social guy in college, so it's like you were starting out with a silver-platter. The fact that you had that silver-platter and still had to put in reams of work to get anywhere, that's what scares the bejesus out of me. And I'm a lot older than you, I'm half as attractive as I was in my 20s now, still thin, not able to lift because of health conditions (chronic pain), I mean, where to start... | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 05:19 AM |
| 1 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?2 in 3 are perpetually taken. That other 1 in 3 has the kind of issues you're better off avoiding. Also, most only want laid if there's a "winner" they can invest in, in hopes they can get him to commit for a relationship. They don't want sex because of pure desire, it's a real pickle to deal with this fact, so basically for men there are 2 choices: there's "be a winner who looks like he could offer a relationship" or exist as dateless virgin for good. It's hardly worth trying if you're not gene… | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 05:04 AM |
| 1 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?What do you think about this? The way you're framing this is good for the soul, but it doesn't work. There's no way to turn endless rejection and indifference into gold. Or this: (Isaac Newton was also an alchemist, but even he couldn't do it.) | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 04:52 AM |
| 1 | Went downtown by myself!!! Had a blastIt gets even worse. I'm only 5'9" and also thin, bro. Ain't no way I could possibly attract anyone, now that I'm thinking about it. The fact that you said a 6'6" guy being thin could reduce his chances so much (even though you try to justify it with "proportion" being on the shorter guy's side) suggests it's the long-shot from hell, you see... | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Forget everything you read and just be humanI'll give you that. If you remember from before, I have a lot of "swings" in the way I think about this. You caught me on the downswing there, although it appears I might still be there... I think if I was going to do it your way though, I'd have to say "needs GABAergic" but it can't be alcohol since I overplayed that years ago. Now I'm intolerant to the point that even just 2 drinks gives me hangover for the whole next day and depression for the next 3 days, eliminating all possible utility. (A… | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 04:45 AM |
| 1 | Forget everything you read and just be humanI can hardly be convinced that women want laid, anymore. A lot of the perceptible evidence around this topic shows that most women that may have sex early, or even those who "hook-up," are more about framing it as a way to get investment from the guy, for a relationship. I'm saying they don't usually want to get laid the way guys do, instead the idea for them is to find a "high value" guy--status, money, etc.--and try to keep him around this way. For proof of this, you can literally read about t… | /r/seduction | 01/04/21 04:38 AM |
| 2 | Went downtown by myself!!! Had a blastStopped reading when you said 6'6" and good money. Whether you succeed is not even important, you are playing on a field that most guys cannot even approach. Sorry, but there's virtually nothing for me to take from this. | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:42 AM |
| 1 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?Most average guys can get a ONS. What are you thinking a guy needs to be 6'3" and attractive, to pull that off? More like you just need to be a guy and not dislike yourself. That's mostly all you need. | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:39 AM |
| 2 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?You don't need a degree or "good money" to get decent women, man. Please, hold the familiar narrative. It's something that comes in a cereal box. Folks need to think broader than that. | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:36 AM |
| 0 | How do you make dating and approaching women fun or at least less painful?Hard to think positively if you're rejected or shown indifference dozens of times in a row, or flaked on 5 times in a row, or going many years without getting action, etc. The way you're framing this is good for the soul, but it doesn't work. There's no way to turn endless rejection and indifference into gold. (Isaac Newton was also an alchemist, but even he couldn't do it.) Equally, no reason to think if you're a perennially "low value guy" who's continually shown the door, it will change simpl… | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:32 AM |
| 1 | A feminine manErm, no, it is all women. Big guy, or big wallet, if not then then "big manly personality." Folks tend to forget, some guys won't have any of the three. What then | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:23 AM |
| 2 | Leverage social proof while going out alone:I don't believe your number there, I defer to "guys exaggerate" or otherwise you are leaving something out. You wouldn't be on this sub if it was just that easy for you. In any event it makes me envious as hell. There's no silver lining in it for me, if you're for real. Just another reminder that I have to be virgin for life or pay someone, one or the other. (For real I'd still take the first, over the second) | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:17 AM |
| 1 | Forget everything you read and just be humanDude you're better than that. He basically said "be shredded" and "act overly confident." So what to do if you're thin, can't get buff, and you're autistic--anxious as hell? What then? Is it over... (oh I get it, it then becomes "be a lawyer" or otherwise "have big wallet to provide bigness in compensation for small arms") Then I have to mention I don't have that either. So i guess in my case, it really is over then | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Forget everything you read and just be humanIs it possible for a guy to do this without being in good shape? I mean I'm thin, but essentially not able to put on muscle mass, because I'm just that way... also, chronic pain prevents heavy lifting for me, it's just a fact, no arguing with it anymore. So yeah I'm a thin guy, 5'9", can't get buff... while you say women want dominant sexy men. I am the opposite... so then, it wouldn't work? Suppose you did not get jacked or whatever. Would you estimate that your success would not have happened,… | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 05:08 AM |
| 0 | Should I still approach?For starters, as hard as it is to say it, I have a little trouble believing you had success in Game in that state. Keep in mind, I don't judge anyone though. However the thing is, I feel like you are leaving something important out, or perhaps your success is not my version of it. Perhaps define your success, and/or how you were able to work around what would seem to be a big stumbling block. In my case I don't have much of the surface level obstacle (unless you count thinning hair) but I have e… | /r/seduction | 30/03/21 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsMate, I'm on the spectrum and somewhat lesser-abled. I don't get a status path or even a looks path (5'9" height, mediocre looks.) Is there another way? | /r/seduction | 20/03/21 04:25 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsNot sure what you're saying here, man... | /r/seduction | 19/03/21 04:00 AM |
| 1 | Book Summary: The Book of PookDude, I don't really want to post my history on the Internet, but trust me...holy shit was I exactly the kind of guy you are talking about. Zero women interested in me growing up. Not like "hahaha, none of the women I like, like me back"...no no no. It's much worse than that. I didn't even kiss any girl or do anything growing up and was so socially awkward that I didn't even understand other people and honestly felt like an alien (or maybe a robot is more accurate). I just simply didn't get it a… | /r/seduction | 15/03/21 05:34 AM |
| 1 | How is balding affecting your game!Well, about actual seduction, now. The thing is I also have some mental shit, can't really have a career, but I would think this would be less of an issue if I just wanted to pick-up, vs. a relationship? | /r/seduction | 15/03/21 05:05 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsEver seen the video of that guy (recently reposted on Reddit's main page) throwing a fit in the store, about how women were condescending to him presumably because of his height? The guy was apparently around 5'0" - 5'2" tall, not particularly young, average looking I guess... anyway this guy was saying "Why do I have to accept going on dating sites and being told I'm worthless from women, because of my height?" Honestly if you've never seen that video, you should. (I haven't saved the link, tho… | /r/seduction | 15/03/21 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsI used to do this stuff, and honestly it’s more worth my time to actually pay for escorts. Oh come on man, that's just disenfranchising. By saying that, it's almost like you're indirectly suggesting it wouldn't be worth trying unless a guy is some tall modelesque type, or maybe well-paid, or something. Most of us don't have any such advantage, but we don't want to believe "it ain't worth it with the odds, so better to just pay" | /r/seduction | 11/03/21 07:46 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 months500 approaches for one time is not the worth the rejection and possible humiliation. At that point we are now concerned about reputation, what onlookers may think or say, etc. I think for me at best, it would be once out of 1000 approaches. I don't know for sure, obviously, but with all the disadvantages I have... well... what can we say | /r/seduction | 11/03/21 07:39 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsOnce per every 100 approaches, I would think? | /r/seduction | 11/03/21 07:35 AM |
| 1 | Book Summary: The Book of PookAlright man, I'll back-pedal a little bit for ya, but I ain't going the whole way. I did legitimately look over a lot of the "BoP" a couple of years ago and was turned off by some of it. Let's face it... there's a lot of RedPillish stuff in there. I remember the gist of the quote you had there, and other stuff, they talked about having an attractive lifestyle and talking about status (good career, prestige, etc.) being the main way to attract "desirable women" or whatever. Sorry if there's some … | /r/seduction | 11/03/21 07:32 AM |
| 1 | How is balding affecting your game!Dude I understand the point, it's just very hard to put this into practice for me. Also, I would ask a bit more about your own hair... it seemed like in your first comment you said you still have some hair, you just stopped being insecure over it. Which is a good thing. But in this new comment I can't tell if you actually did get the shave and you're suggesting it, or not. I happen to be a guy who has the wrong face/head for that particular look, and it's not exactly neurotic, I'm just a believe… | /r/seduction | 11/03/21 07:10 AM |
| 1 | Sharing my daygame stats in the last 4 monthsAre you sure it's great if he's done 20+ approaches per week over several months, says he's way above average on the looks scale, and has such little success after the fact? I mean, what would that say for most of us... it's depressing, really | /r/seduction | 06/03/21 06:26 AM |
| -1 | Book Summary: The Book of PookNot sure why anyone would need to save something that boils down to, "status and money." There are whole paragraphs in this book that say, "Most women would rather share a guy who has status and money, than spend a moment with a guy who doesn't." Is this the narrative guys need to hear more of? I mean these are the kinds of things that make a man bitter, really. Most are here because they lack access to the "status" path. And they're seeking a different one, because surely there is another way..… | /r/seduction | 06/03/21 06:23 AM |
| 1 | You will never get a beautiful girlfriend. Even if you get one she will cheat on you or will ghost you.I'm glad to see another take, but can you point out how exactly he is wrong? Do you have anecdotes from real life that suggest his premise is terribly flawed? You can't really gain much from "studies" in this area--if there are any--but believable testimony can be effective, still. Basically anything that goes against the whole "they're all status and money hungry, will cheat if they feel like it" narrative he is pushing, would be better, more inspiring. In your comment, all you're saying is tha… | /r/seduction | 06/03/21 06:11 AM |
| 1 | How is balding affecting your game!I guess you see some things my way, although you've been able to fight the depression stemming from it. Well I'm another guy at the halfway point of the hair-loss journey, and depressed as hell about it. And I've never agreed with the whole "be like Statham, bro"... the simple reason so many guys hang onto the hair is because shaving is not attractive for them. Any time a dude says "Statham" to me they are ignorant, and don't understand the concept of aesthetics. So I guess that means I'm in you… | /r/seduction | 06/03/21 06:01 AM |
| 1 | PSA for Young Guys getting into pickupIt comes down to how you make them feel (altho there will be some who have set dealbreakers on your career and wealth and stuff) Are there "decent" and/or "attractive" women out there who don't have instant dealbreakers on career and status? Because I haven't seen much of this. A lot of guys try to level with me and say "go for those women who lack options with men" while occasionally I've had some be very blunt and say "a low status guy only has access to less-attractive women" and quite callou… | /r/seduction | 05/03/21 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Stop Putting Sex On A PetastalSorry I took all this time to get back to you. At a glance, it's possible your answer is evidence against the mainstream (and sound) approach to how things work; that being it is a transaction, where the women prioritize relationships above all else; therefore it means "men who have the qualities becoming of a relationship" are wanted above all others; in a sense it all comes down to "societal ranking" being used as shorthand to determine whether a man is relationship material. Even women open t… | /r/seduction | 05/03/21 05:36 AM |
| 1 | PSA for Young Guys getting into pickupSo you have to still convey an energy that you're interested and open to meeting people in my opinion. But you don't need to have a good age-appropriate job, education, and so on. So the OP (and possibly yourself) are off the mark there. Seriously, guys don't always need status to get cool women. I stand by the point. | /r/seduction | 26/02/21 07:03 AM |
| 1 | PSA for Young Guys getting into pickupYou think a jacked guy making 90k a year with tons of friends has trouble talking to girls? If you cannot be jacked, cannot make even 1/3rd of that, and don't have a social circle... because you're on the spectrum... then kinda everything you say falls apart, because these limitations are quite rigid in my case. If there's any chance you have a better answer though, other than a callous suggestion, I'd like to hear it. | /r/seduction | 26/02/21 07:00 AM |
| 1 | Stop Putting Sex On A PetastalThe problem is quite universally, women do not want sex unless as a bargaining chip for a potential longterm relationship. In other words if any guy is not relationship material (tall modelesque guy who has no life, being rare exception) he will not find any partner. "Relationship material" meaning... decent career, social circle, practical and able to be stretched thin across multiple responsibilities. Without most of that, any guy who isn't great looking to compensate, has to expect he won't b… | /r/seduction | 26/02/21 06:51 AM |
| 2 | Let's be honest, the game is rigged. But recognizing that can be incredibly helpful.Well it's fine to be low-value man and find cool partner, though? Especially for just a fling. But how should one go about it? I would think I don't need to offer relationship value (the tenets of capitalism and social capital) to have good fling, but a lot of others tell me it's how it works; relationship-value is the same test used for casual, since women only want relationships anyway. I can only hope that's wrong, cuz I'd have no chance then. Ain't gonna have my shit together at any point in… | /r/seduction | 26/02/21 06:35 AM |
| 1 | Let's be honest, the game is rigged. But recognizing that can be incredibly helpful.What if you're around that age, not great looking, and unsuccessful? Some folks have said that guy could still get partner, provided he tries. So I don't like the cynicism that points in the other direction, "be top 20% first" I see here lately. It ain't true. | /r/seduction | 26/02/21 06:28 AM |
| 1 | Y'all are making it too complicated again. Improve yourself and approach, that's all there is to it.Ah, so you're one of those "status, money or bust" types. Can't believe this kinda stuff be here. That kind of cynicism is what makes a man very bitter. | /r/seduction | 26/02/21 06:20 AM |
| 2 | Y'all are making it too complicated again. Improve yourself and approach, that's all there is to it.Does this apply to older autistic losers, too... provided they approach a lot? I mean if it's a "yes, but only within your own league" then it gets hard to talk about. I feel the suggestion is an oxymoron, because once a guy is in a low enough league, he's not going to be attracted to those in it; and vice versa. Very cynical, but too true. So I'm looking for the optimism. I'm thinking you're one of those blue-pill types who believe in the optimistic things, "approach anyway, and you'll get ther… | /r/seduction | 26/02/21 06:18 AM |
| 1 | If you don't seek serious relationship? Man...Never listen to what a woman says, watch her actions. I don't know what that would mean in real life, if I'm meeting a woman 1-1. But as for online, it's not possible to tell. According to what most say (and especially in dating profiles) they are "serious" and only want "serious guys" and very often say things like, "casual is degrading, I'm done with it, don't contact me if you're not seeking a relationship." I mean what am I supposed to do with that? Even if I accept I cannot be honest in all… | /r/seduction | 04/01/21 05:50 AM |
| 1 | If you don't seek serious relationship? Man...In the beginning it annoyed me cause I disliked having to "audition" for women but overtime I just shrugged cause I understood these were the "rules" of the game and you cant argue against results. Are you suggesting there that a guy needs to portray himself as "looking for a serious relationship" even if he does not want that? I'm assuming that is what you mean. If that is the case, have you tried the more often suggested "be honest about what you're really looking for"? Or (just now while musi… | /r/seduction | 29/12/20 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Girls that approach first or drop huge hints are the golden apples.I certainly don't think it's complicated, overall. But it could be harder to justify "going through it" for me, because of a high propensity for shame and rejection sensitivity somewhat "off the charts." Not that anyone enjoys rejection, I'm saying it's another level of pain and self-loathing that goes on when you have social challenges. You might have to be one, to know one. | /r/seduction | 29/12/20 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Do men care about a women's social value?I'm not a woman, I was saying that as a man to someone (you, in this case) who was implying a man needs "degrees, good income, all kinds of social connections, etc." to get a quality woman. As if women are all elitists, or something. And so I disagreed with that, basically saying it's incel speak (I mean it's bordering on it, for instance, incels like to say, "if you're over 30, have 6 figures or forget it" for an edgy example of it.) So I'm saying you have it wrong. Even decent women (those who… | /r/seduction | 29/12/20 05:24 AM |
| 0 | Do men care about a women's social value?We don’t care about your accomplishments, degrees, income, friends, connections, none of that. Neither do most women. This is incel-speak; oh how unfair it is. "Men must have 9 out 10 things to a high level, to get a date" is what you're saying, essentially. Rather you only need 1 out of 10: self-acceptance. Well, at least, that's most of it right there. Don't listen to incels. If you're basing this claim on online dating, actually try instead of being there for 2 weeks and complaining you got n… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:56 AM |
| 1 | Girls that approach first or drop huge hints are the golden apples.You're obviously made that calculation. If so you need to accept that a life without a relationship and find something to replace it. On that note, any chance you could take a look at my new post? https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/kkyyj3/if_you_dont_seek_serious_relationship_man/ However you cant get there if you cant even get past "humiliation" It is tough to get past. Some anecdotes from your earlier days, where you felt humiliated? How did you get past it man. in any event, thanks f… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:43 AM |
| 2 | If you don't seek serious relationship? Man...I'm not sure whether to take your words seriously or not. I mean your style of writing is peculiar, and familiar. I've talked to an autistic guy here before who said he "made lots of money with bitcoin" and he has a distinctive writing style, with a few similarities to yours. But the guy clearly had dozens of accounts and lots of strange comments, so I just stopped listening to him. Are you sure you are not that guy? You kinda have this serious tone, that kinda breaks all of a sudden into absurd… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:33 AM |
| 2 | If you don't seek serious relationship? Man...Be very honest from the start, and don't even start talking to girls whose profile says they're looking for serious stuff. Unfortunately I think that is pretty much "vast majority" at least. As for those who don't include that clause, virtually all of them are a lot younger than me now, and so I imagine not available. Unfortunately, as an autistic guy and an avoidant introvert, I am coming to all of this stuff incredibly late. But that also means I can't just "look for serious relationship" righ… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:21 AM |
| 1 | If you don't seek serious relationship? Man...I'm the one who wrote the post and I'm not sure exactly what you mean by saying the "manipulative nature of the first few dates" although on a literal level it's obvious, I'm not sure if you include something more specific between the lines. Let me know. Also, for things like this, how to respond here benefits from knowing your gender. From your comment I'm left in the dark, there. Not a judgment against you, though. | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:09 AM |
| 1 | A word of advice for all of you ProcrastidatersThanks for your appreciation. I hope this guy will take something good from my comment, and take some action. Otherwise he's just going to waste more time. Suppose he gets a job but then feels it's "not good enough"... it's just more of the same. This is the attitude that leads one to an entire life of inaction with women. Better to try as a stone-cold "loser" (I suppose exceptionally poor health, if it's fixable, would be an exception) than to wait to get good enough. Most of the time guys like… | /r/seduction | 28/12/20 06:00 AM |
| 1 | JUST BE HONEST!Nothing works except being honest? What about this here, said by a guy further up in this thread: If you're honest that you only want hookups on dating apps, you will barely get matches. If you're honest that you have had no relationship at over 30, you'll be let down because most people don't want to be a training wheel. So, dude, I agree with him. I'm not so sure about honesty, or at least not for certain things. I'll admit I'm more self-centered and want to find cool experience--rather than l… | /r/seduction | 25/12/20 06:24 AM |
| 2 | Everyone is unhappy, but hey, there is a better way .So according to your insight, socially-challenged guys would have no hope? You have to be "valuable guy who contributes to society" or don't bother? I mean dude, that's not right. And it's also true that losers do well with women, provided they don't give up. Don't forget you also have 6-figure men who can't get any. So basically take that negativity elsewhere. Money and status--come on man, you can do better. If that's your mantra, pack that up, and take it to another place. Cuz it ain't even t… | /r/seduction | 25/12/20 06:17 AM |
| 1 | A word of advice for all of you ProcrastidatersWhat's wrong with what anyJose said? He basically said average guy needs to approach at least 100 women to have desired result once, while ladies man basically doesn't have to do anything by relative comparison, in fact he can turn women down frequently. And then if you're like some autistic guy with average looks and you've had a pathetic life for decades, I imagine it's like 1000-1500 approaches for 1 time intimacy. I have that guy's life, but I don't approach, because those odds are just ridi… | /r/seduction | 25/12/20 06:12 AM |
| 1 | A word of advice for all of you ProcrastidatersGuys without a college degree as well unemployed, while you wouldn't say they're "very desirable" as a whole, there are endless exceptions to the rule. Even guys in their 30s and beyond like that, have done well. Generally guys like this learn to stop having shame and they learn to talk to women, though. Two qualities you don't have right now. The point I'm making is, if you learned how to talk to women better, you could actually do pretty well even if everything else in your life was the same. … | /r/seduction | 25/12/20 06:05 AM |
| 1 | Girls that approach first or drop huge hints are the golden apples.Again that's a you problem you're gonna have to sort out. For a long time I had no desire to approach or start but starvation has a habit of forcing you into things. I have the same stereotypical desire as most guys have on these things, and of course, the starvation. However the risk of humiliation, for me, seems worse than the starvation. And that is due to my social condition, mate. Even if that weren't a problem, the hurdles are too many. Having to present myself as "relationship material" s… | /r/seduction | 23/12/20 06:32 AM |
| 1 | A new perspective on approaching woman?Great comment, man. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, and also, I can't even reply much to this tonight. But I will get back to it, when I can. Reading and replying takes a while for me naturally. | /r/seduction | 23/12/20 06:11 AM |
| 4 | Confirmation Bias alert: some woman on Reddit telling you she hates being cold approached doesn't mean all women hate cold approach. In fact, many women LOVE it and appreciate you for it. You cannot control how others react, you can only control how YOU act.(If you were just being satirical, then maybe I read you wrong, and my comment may sound redundant. But if not...) Don't know about you but when you say high status and attractive, that doesn't sound like it has much to do with "game"... the first sounds like career or social success, the second is mostly just innate as it is. Now if you want to argue that actual game can compensate for lack of career or social success whilst having average looks... then I'll stand up and listen. | /r/seduction | 12/12/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | How To Use Your Insecurities To Make You More Attractive To WomenWell I'm going to counter and say there's no way you're a "dolphin" unless you're at the very highest functioning end of the spectrum. And if that be the case, I envy you. Thing is as long as you realize you're a blue whale hoping to mate with dolphins of a pod. There are blue whales about there, you just need find ways to connect with other blue whales who share your values. Your dating pool is naturally reduced, but not empty. Any ideas as to who these whales are, and where I might find them? … | /r/seduction | 10/12/20 05:08 AM |
| 2 | A new perspective on approaching woman?But the thing is I'm not just focused on social interactions. I think if we're all going to be bluntly honest, while a lot of guys look at the process, we're a bit more about the desired result. Certainly, that doesn't mean automatically that women become mere objects in a hunt, or something. I'm just saying socializing itself is not usually the desired end-point with this. I think extroverted men will sometimes claim it's all about the social process, anything else is a bonus; personally I find… | /r/seduction | 10/12/20 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Excuses & beliefs that rob you of your personal power and make you self-sabotage in datingHey man if you're one of those guys who says "you are already enough" I would ask you to take a look at this guy's post below, who strongly disagrees with you: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/k7fmoj/excuses_beliefs_that_rob_you_of_your_personal/gf2qe51/ If you're true to your word, you should reply and tell him that he's wrong. Otherwise your words are empty, and you know it. | /r/seduction | 09/12/20 06:00 AM |
| 1 | Excuses & beliefs that rob you of your personal power and make you self-sabotage in datingAre you really implying his low status as it is right now, is not a good enough excuse to avoid meeting women? In that case, nonsense. What gives, man. Ain't no woman who likes a guy who don't compete in society. I mean suppose I told you my story and my deficiencies, coupled with my age. I think even you would cop to, "Yeah, forget about it, and if you still need it, you can always pay." Not what I like to hear, but it's the only reality that exists for me now. I really think autistic guys like… | /r/seduction | 09/12/20 05:57 AM |
| 2 | Girls that approach first or drop huge hints are the golden apples.I'm sorry but why would you turn away any girl who approached you? You get the green light (or something close to it) right off the bat, in that circumstance. I'm curious dude. If you turn that kind of thing away it means you're going to have to do 200 approaches for each one of those women who approached you, to get the same signal of genuine interest. Or I would assume as much. That is unless you're some great looking guy or big status, and can afford to turn some away. In that case i'm enviou… | /r/seduction | 09/12/20 05:35 AM |
| 1 | How To Use Your Insecurities To Make You More Attractive To WomenThat's a good reply. But I dunno man. For the first part of it, all I can say is I'm too much of an "antisocial introvert" at core to want to commit to those things--the whole "what's wrong with my own natural way" comes to mind. Although, a very rigid dislike for change, may explain this tendency better. Or perhaps both aspects. I'm not a very social creature, not a leader of any kind, nor do I really have any desire to be those things (apart from unrealistic idealizing) because that's not who … | /r/seduction | 30/11/20 05:42 AM |
| 1 | A new perspective on approaching woman?How do you define your own success with approaching women in the past? I'm just curious what's behind your definition there. Do you mean "approaching went well" but actually there wasn't anything more to it besides the social interaction? Or do you mean it led to good time and/or some kind of relationship? just curious | /r/seduction | 28/11/20 06:27 AM |
| 1 | Make careers plan and work on your life before actively search for a partnerWell I'd contend that unemployed losers can still get quality women, even if it's not for the long-term, though. | /r/seduction | 28/11/20 06:25 AM |
| 1 | How To Use Your Insecurities To Make You More Attractive To WomenTen years to get a first date, to get a first sensual encounter, to your first "good relationship" or...? Spell it out a bit more. What autistic tendencies do you try to overcome? Have you considered that there's a popular saying in the autistic community, "willing but not able vs. able but not willing"? I myself have seen what the first position did to me... it drove me to massive self-destruction that I've never truly recovered from. "Aim to meet societal expectations" is what you suggest, obv… | /r/seduction | 28/11/20 06:10 AM |
| 0 | Non-brilliant autistic guys, your story with women?They see a guy with no job, no muscle, bad social skills, no cash like a guy sees an ass, tits, personality and face. You are somewhat incorrect as these categories are mismatched. You're comparing status/behavior to looks, which is not exactly proper. In some ways it makes sense, in other ways, it's too reductive. The "no muscle" thing also would not matter to a woman who isn't particularly visual or just wants a guy to "look healthy"; as I understand "thin" is a barometer of health compared to… | /r/seduction | 28/11/20 06:03 AM |
| 0 | The HIGHEST Level Of Attracting WomenBut if all they can see is lack of pro-social attitude (it's not me, and never will be... since I'm on spectrum) and lack of career (I can't work in public), then it's like they're discarding the entirety of myself without even giving one single chance. Just because I'm not interested in having a footprint in my social community, or I can't provide them with "longterm prospects," it means I cannot exist? What kind of justice is that? Either or both qualities in a woman would not decrease interes… | /r/seduction | 28/11/20 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Non-brilliant autistic guys, your story with women?Well I mean, do I have to be "winner" to find good woman? Is there truly no chance of an autistic guy who lacks a career, to even just entertain a breezy relationship, with adventurous woman who's not entirely vain? I'm going to contend, also, that if I'm a guy who doesn't have big arms, I don't need a big wallet to compensate. So I take back what I said before. What do you think | /r/seduction | 21/11/20 05:41 AM |
| 1 | How To Use Your Insecurities To Make You More Attractive To WomenNo offense, but I don't see how this translates much to my plight. Women with autism deal with an entirely different set of rules than for autistic men regarding dating. I've learned this and seen this so many times online, that at this point when an autistic woman says "yes autistics get dates, I do very well, here's what you should do" I stop reading instantly. You may have to canvass this topic a lot more to understand what I mean better. I suppose I get your point overall, but you appear to … | /r/seduction | 21/11/20 05:23 AM |
| 1 | Hi! My name is Bill. I just found this sub and feel that I have some information to offerBeing low status is a mindset, not a destination. It's not a mindset if there are objective reasons to be low-status. Often those factors cause the negative mindset you refer to, bro. So if a guy is not particularly good looking and does not compensate with social chutzpah nor career prospects, he will be seen as low-status, almost universally, on the dating/hook-up scene. What happens with guys like this is, there are no attractive women interested (this is kinda rough, but true...) full stop. … | /r/seduction | 20/11/20 06:00 AM |
| 1 | How To Get Serious About Game: Endure Pain and SufferingAlthough some will point out that a guy having success in game may have a big advantage from his good job, and yet said person will deny it... am I right on that? | /r/seduction | 20/11/20 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Non-brilliant autistic guys, your story with women?PLUS a lot of people are suffering from BPD, sociopathy/pychopaths, having unusual human parts (no limbs or too many limbs, or deformed body parts), etc. and if they can do it, why cant the moderate autistic person succeed? This is an interesting question, but in my opinion, I would probably excise the portion about those guys who have drastic physical disadvantages--it can be inspiring, but their plight is still too different from the "just autistic" or "just with a mental difference" type of t… | /r/seduction | 20/11/20 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Non-brilliant autistic guys, your story with women?Can tell you getting jacked has made it easier with women. If only, man. I'm a thin guy (small forearms, just innately) and seem to have terrible problems with lifting heavy weights or even doing any kind of resistance exercise. I mean I get terrible back pain from it, and it's just not something I can accept, as the gains from lifting are so slight anyway--and truly I have no interest in gaining much weight. I like my frame as it is, it's who I am. Is there really no one out there who won't say… | /r/seduction | 20/11/20 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Female online dating experienceBut it can work for short-term relations, if nothing else | /r/seduction | 20/11/20 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Female online dating experienceOh believe me I'm a passionate person with interests, and I care about a lot more than just TV, etc. But the only thing women can see is that I'm socially awkward and unable to provide, apparently. Nothing else counts given those circumstances. | /r/seduction | 20/11/20 05:06 AM |
| 2 | Hi! My name is Bill. I just found this sub and feel that I have some information to offerWell if a guy happens to be awkward, low-status, or not masculine enough, he needs to be everyone's type. Tough, but true. One can't afford to be selective in that circumstance, do you follow? If you look at this guy's posts, he claims to be all of those things. Not all of them are fixable. Women want what they want, you see? If you're not what they want, it's not something you can always fix, even with mighty effort. | /r/seduction | 16/11/20 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Female online dating experienceWorked in a fitness equipment as a salesman for 8 years (no ambitions). How is that no ambition if he liked what he was doing? Do you expect some double-major who only cares about his amazing job, or something? Suppose a guy doesn't want to move somewhere else. What's the big deal? | /r/seduction | 16/11/20 05:57 AM |
| 12 | 12 Ridiculously simple hacks that you can start using today that will make women more attracted to you with minimal effortHey man, did you see this guy "LSmartestCharacter" in this thread, dissect your points and say they don't work for him? Since you seem to know what you're talking about, I think it would be a good sign of your character to actually listen to what a naysayer (who seems depressed) says, and offer targeted advice for him. Serious too, bro Peace | /r/seduction | 16/11/20 05:54 AM |
| 1 | I’m doneWhy do you want to agree with someone negative like me, then? I was actually hoping you would disagree and claim the guy I was replying to was correct, that it's all about confidence and how you see yourself. I may say negative things, but I'd rather not actually believe them, you see? I need hope, man. | /r/seduction | 16/11/20 05:17 AM |
| 1 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?Hm, I'm sorry that therapy hasn't worked for you in the past. I'm wondering if another sort of professional might be able to help you in terms of your dating life...maybe a life coach or a dating coach, specifically? They'd likely be more qualified than those of us on Reddit and might have seen people like you too. I've seen people who turned to life coaches end up getting themselves out of a rut. Could be useful for you. Speaking generally here, not specific to just dating. What you said there … | /r/seduction | 15/11/20 05:33 AM |
| 1 | How To Win In Game: Don't just rely on techniques, have a sexual mindset (aka demeanor)Thanks for your reply, man. There are a few interesting things in here that you've said, but I'm kinda foggy tonight, I will get back to it later. cheers | /r/seduction | 15/11/20 04:47 AM |
| 2 | I’m doneNo it's not true. For instance, an autistic guy in his 30s, with few credentials, no job, or whatever, can accept himself all he wants. Still, no woman will be interested... do you understand? | /r/seduction | 15/11/20 04:42 AM |
| 0 | The HIGHEST Level Of Attracting WomenHe means you have to know a lot of folks in town, keep up with the next guy (career, education, ambition), act as if you're interested in folks even if you aren't; in terms of women, act as if you want to help them improve socially and vocationally, be an emotional "safeguard" and a rock to hold onto. Note those are all the things most guys want nothing to do with; the irony being, many such guys still find good woman. They're just not pro-social leader types. That's a very rare kind of man the … | /r/seduction | 14/11/20 06:03 AM |
| 1 | The HIGHEST Level Of Attracting WomenWhat if you're introverted, autistic and disinterested in social mores... and therefore couldn't lead yourself out of a paper bag? is it over, in that case? I'm not someone who takes the lead; never have been, never had the interest. I'm just entirely aloof, inscrutable, and want to do things my own way. And no other. At least there's congruence and honesty about it. I have nothing to give but my own neurotic self. | /r/seduction | 14/11/20 05:57 AM |
| -1 | How To Use Your Insecurities To Make You More Attractive To WomenYou just said to "be honest" as the last point there, but you also said honesty in the face of "intractable deficiency" is the least attractive thing. Maybe I'm dense now, but that's confusing. Are you suggesting there's no way for an autistic man (can't have a career, for instance) to be attractive? | /r/seduction | 14/11/20 05:51 AM |
| 1 | As an average guy, when did you finally start getting girls you considered out of your leauge, and what did you do to achieve that? (Part 2)Some of what you say is honorable and maybe even correct, but equally, some of it is a kind of "positive spin." And I do wonder if you're maybe looking to get your foot in the "dating coach" arena, or something like that. I don't judge so long as one has decent intentions, but the problem is, wouldn't it be a bit dishonest to turn a blind eye to the real effect of status/leagues in today's game? Look at the effect that social media and dating sites have had on the average man's dating prospects.… | /r/seduction | 13/11/20 06:37 AM |
| 1 | As an average guy, when did you finally start getting girls you considered out of your leauge, and what did you do to achieve that? (Part 2)Great looks does not mean unobtainable. But it does tend to mean "only obtainable" if you're a standout in either looks, career, or both. I mean if you've seen some autistic-like guy who has few prospects in life, with some cool woman--even if it was just a fleeting thing--I'd be interested to hear. But the point is, those things don't happen, really. | /r/seduction | 13/11/20 06:28 AM |
| 1 | How To Win In Game: Don't just rely on techniques, have a sexual mindset (aka demeanor)In regards toward your second question: Yes, I work as a self-taught software engineer. It took me two years to learn everything myself, but when I got the job my entire focus shifted on game Well what I'm saying is, before you got this (presumably) well-paying job, were you still trying to meet women? If not, then my question is, suppose you currently had no job or had a menial low-paid job. Do you think you would still have a chance to get good women? I'm trying to figure out if your present c… | /r/seduction | 13/11/20 06:24 AM |
| 2 | How To Win In Game: Don't just rely on techniques, have a sexual mindset (aka demeanor)I'm glad you see things similarly, man. The one thing that makes me cringe a bit is that part you mention about your ethnicity. That's a very thorny issue, it's like walking on eggshells to even discuss it at all. I'll say that just ain't right, and I'm genuine with that. The fact that I would "technically" be in the standard demographic, I can say it has not provided any tangible boost with women. (But perhaps there are a lot of other advantages that I basically take for granted, admittedly.) N… | /r/seduction | 13/11/20 06:15 AM |
| 1 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?You're so against therapy; why? Have you tried it? If you have and it didn't work, maybe you weren't with the right therapist. I'd understand a bit more if you've tried it before, I was in therapy for many years, and it mostly did not work for me. I don't think I have to say anything else. I don't lie about that. I had a few different therapists, also. You missed a very important point. The problem of negative mindset is one thing (which does have ripple effects on many things, but it's still a … | /r/seduction | 13/11/20 06:00 AM |
| 1 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?Well you have a good message (which I prefer to agree with) but I'm going to take a different angle than you'd expect, in answering this question. Sorry in advance, if I'm still stuck on the more superficial aspects of the game, but I feel there's a reality to the game that should be addressed. It's hard to talk about, but I feel like it's not talked about enough, it's not out in the open. I prefer to be very forthright, myself, but also tactfully. My take is, I'm afraid that for a guy who is bo… | /r/seduction | 13/11/20 05:17 AM |
| 2 | How To Win In Game: Don't just rely on techniques, have a sexual mindset (aka demeanor)Dude, if you're very ambitious and all that, good for you... I'm just saying a guy doesn't need to tie his value in game, to what he does or what he studies. There are some guys who hardly do anything (sometimes, due to disability or mental difficulties) and still get good woman. I'm just feeling bad for you, that you have to tie both your societal as well as "value to women" to your credentials. This is really not the way it should be, but the thing is, like I've said, sometimes it isn't. Somet… | /r/seduction | 10/11/20 06:10 AM |
| 1 | How To Win In Game: Don't just rely on techniques, have a sexual mindset (aka demeanor)First question, are you for real that you've done pretty well with your game? May I ask how many approaches since you've started? Second question, do you have a "good career/education" which is likely to have added to your success, substantially? These are just honest questions, I'm not trying to criticize, or anything. | /r/seduction | 10/11/20 06:02 AM |
| 0 | Online First Dates - Are Guys Disadvantaged on the First Date ItselfMy friend who is a poor earner and has a crappy life, does a lot better with women than this guy does. Just saying you can discard that RP narrative once in a while, relax, and realize that sometimes... the intangibles count for something, also. | /r/seduction | 10/11/20 05:52 AM |
| 2 | Online First Dates - Are Guys Disadvantaged on the First Date ItselfHis comment is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read here, honestly I would not believe one word of what he says, even if he comes back here to say "it's all true." Something is just off about this, and it's not worth anyone's time to take it seriously, nor to deconstruct.. for real, too | /r/seduction | 10/11/20 05:49 AM |
| 1 | As an average guy, when did you finally start getting girls you considered out of your leauge, and what did you do to achieve that? (Part 2)and developing a healthier viewpoint of yourself (i.e. confidence, self-esteem). The only problem with that--while it is, always, a good suggestion--is that men face the dilemma that such qualities are married to his ability to compete in society. If you're able to socialize well enough, you're allowed to have some "confidence and self-esteem"; if you can ALSO demonstrate a path of upward mobility, you're allotted more of that same thing. What basically happens, when you find the guys who don't … | /r/seduction | 10/11/20 05:44 AM |
| 2 | As an average guy, when did you finally start getting girls you considered out of your leauge, and what did you do to achieve that? (Part 2)Instead of being bitter/jealous towards those other guys (athletes, social guys) that get lots of attention from girls, focus on making yourself more like them. And if you cannot be like these guys? What then? I'm autistic, naturally thin, only 5'9" height. Not young either. So I don't have the innate capacity for the social man's game (I'm also very introverted), and I don't have the "athletic genes" either. And instead of having the benefit of a booksmart intellect (which most believe 'comes w… | /r/seduction | 10/11/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?As you mentioned, we have been through this before. I don’t feel the need to explain myself again. The problem I'm having with your tone is complicated, and the way you resolved it each time I mentioned the contradictions, felt kinda glib or just N/A to my situation. But it may be that memory fails again, because it's just not what it used to be, and I admit it. Maybe you did resolve it in acceptable way before, and I just can't recall right now. But I think, probably, this is not something I'm … | /r/seduction | 09/11/20 06:25 AM |
| 1 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?There are guys without any degree, greasy looks, small and stupid with multiple girlfriends just because they are charismatic. If only I could cultivate this kinda thing, with some manner of congruence. Not saying it's any kind of guarantee, but when the other options fail--I'm not resourceful, no wealth, no status, looks have faded a bit over time--one has to look for other avenues. The rub is, I'm on the spectrum (not too high functioning, though, kinda in the middle.) I've heard of autistic g… | /r/seduction | 05/11/20 06:24 AM |
| 1 | Guys, I know that many of you are tired of not being replied, to have no matches, this is the explanation why probably this is happening, this is the other sideYo, XXL! Where you been!? It's been a long time since I seen you around. I think, with your no-nonsense approach, you might be a good candidate to provide a realistic answer to my new thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/jmi3zg/question_for_guys_about_choice_on_todays_scene/ I just wanted to know what you think. In the meantime, since we last spoke, I've grown some (meditation is now a regular part of my life, and it does help) but also declined a bit more (haven't taken life by t… | /r/seduction | 05/11/20 06:16 AM |
| 0 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?You also just said in a recent comment a lot of average or below average looking guys you know, had women interested in them, experience, or whatever. So I don't know what's the deal bruh | /r/seduction | 05/11/20 05:58 AM |
| 1 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?I hope you won't find this intrusive, but do note that you said you like to keep an open-mind with "dating-related things," in conversations with me before. And yet, you did recently say this, on a post in another subreddit: I'm not sure what you're referring to by status, but sure, I look for someone with a stable job, good career trajectory, and ambition because those are things I will be bringing to the table as well and I'd like to have an equal partner. I'm not sure if you mean they "have t… | /r/seduction | 05/11/20 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Question for guys about "choice" on today's scene!?Where is the shorter autistic man with less education and fewer job prospects will equally have few choices in the matters of love. And? That's not the same as no choice, nor does it even imply that the available choices will be "unattractive" by default. I mean, if you think that's what it means, you might as well say so. But personally, that's my take on it. I don't agree with pessimism anymore, the real world can only be so cynical before the underdog gets a chance, right? And besides there a… | /r/seduction | 05/11/20 05:39 AM |
| 2 | A woman who sees you as a high value male will not friendzone you.The thing is I just want to be myself. I'm interested in very few things that mainstream types (men and women) are. I have very little desire to change that. I don't see why I should have to be relegated to low value because of a lack of upward mobility (as well lack of interest in it.) I don't want to climb a social ladder (no interest) and mostly don't want to go to social activities or travel, and so on. I just want to keep to my own devices and pursue passionate interests on my own. My inter… | /r/seduction | 05/11/20 05:33 AM |
| 1 | A woman who sees you as a high value male will not friendzone you.But if he has a good reason for the lack of career/education... say he's on the spectrum, and the struggle with social anxiety/flexibility is a very real thing for him... could that get his foot in the door? I was being devil's advocate in the first comment, as I'm actually a guy myself with multiple deficits along these lines. It's like I almost got you to prove my point, which is a bit disappointing, but there it is. Sorry to be a bit sneaky and underhanded, but I felt it would be a more direc… | /r/seduction | 05/11/20 05:29 AM |
| 1 | A woman who sees you as a high value male will not friendzone you.Quick question: is there anything a low-value guy can do to attract good woman, other than become high-value? Not all of us can be well-educated types who have interest in surfing and traveling the world, etc. I'm on the spectrum and don't really have a future, prospects are poor, etc. I mean where's the silver-lining here? | /r/seduction | 03/11/20 05:19 AM |
| 3 | A woman who sees you as a high value male will not friendzone you.For me they need a college degree and a strong vocation. Are you the same? The guys who don't have those things are like accessories, or something. Not saying they're "lower value" but they fall short of "social approval", which is important for me. A guy should be normal y'know | /r/seduction | 03/11/20 05:17 AM |
| 1 | If you are not getting results, this may be the reason why...Women often say they don't even want to be approached, though. 9 out of 10 women online that I've asked, has said that to me. | /r/seduction | 02/11/20 05:29 AM |
| 1 | Women KNOW, Before You Even Say "Hi," Whether They Will Be Attracted To You Or Not... Here's HowAlright so what can I do, then? Where do I find the type that is attracted to me, etc | /r/seduction | 02/11/20 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Gym and dietI don't much care for income or mainstream passions. And if you think of someone you want purely in terms of what they want from you and then conform to that, you're going to attract that demographic - a money loving, shallow person. Then you're going to think women suck, because the women you come into contact with reflect what you were trying to sell them. Do you know of any demographic that doesn't require status, masculine features (typically height), and such things? I've never seen this de… | /r/seduction | 01/11/20 05:14 AM |
| 0 | Women KNOW, Before You Even Say "Hi," Whether They Will Be Attracted To You Or Not... Here's HowBut I don't have academic, math, or problem-solving ability. That, along with social difficulties, has led to a life path of utter failure... and it is too late to fix this to any reasonable degree. | /r/seduction | 01/11/20 04:02 AM |
| 5 | Women KNOW, Before You Even Say "Hi," Whether They Will Be Attracted To You Or Not... Here's HowGuess autistic guys shouldn't bother, that's the takeaway I got from this. Guys like us can't hide our insecurity, nor can they deny we're a creature of desire... and not really looking to be some kind of social "empath" with everything else just as a bonus. A lot of this stuff is paradoxical, in fact. It seems non-autistic guys can run with all the paradoxes or even act interested in altruistic ways, whereas awkward/autistic types are more focused on results. Very little guys like us can do, is… | /r/seduction | 29/10/20 05:19 AM |
| 1 | A Simple, but effective TestI don't look good in a fitted T-shirt (I'm thin and my posture is stiff/rigid), and I don't sound masculine. But I'm not really able to fix these things because of this worthless Asperger's I have... causing all manner of tension (which leads to poor posture), and idiosyncratic language (I have mild vocal disfluency), and these things are very hard to improve. Is there no way a guy like me could attract good woman? What if I just told myself, "this is how I am" and went out and approached anyway… | /r/seduction | 29/10/20 05:14 AM |
| 2 | Gym and dietUnderstood, but the thing is my looks are average and I don't have money or even most things guys my age are supposed to have. I have some passions, but not the kind that translate to "mainstream value" you see | /r/seduction | 29/10/20 04:18 AM |
| 2 | Gym and dietThin guys included, then? I can't really do much about wiry forearms and wrists. But I do have good lower body, that much is true xD | /r/seduction | 26/10/20 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Gym and dietEven if a guy has none of this stuff... great looks, money, or social network... it doesn't mean there's literally no chance he can find a good woman. I'm sure everyone here knows some 5'9" guy in his 30s, no degree, no career, not a "socialite" but he does okay with women. Because he doesn't hate himself (paradoxical confidence is attractive) and he tries. That's how it works. Please do not make this all about the binary "looks OR status, take your pick" thing. Sorry if I came across confrontat… | /r/seduction | 26/10/20 05:02 AM |
| 1 | Gym and dietThe women who want you solely based on your looks are not keepers, Are there good women who don't want a guy solely based on looks OR money? I don't quite have either one, unfortunately | /r/seduction | 26/10/20 04:59 AM |
| 0 | Shy woman wanting to approach guyWell the thing is, the thin wrists and 'little forearms' thing never bothered me. I've talked to a lot of those guys and they're insecure about it--trying to "gym it up" to fix the problem, because they say women reject them over that one trait--but these guys are going up against innate physique. You can't make a wrist "bigger." I think it's unfair, almost, the way the insecurity gets to them. Am I the only one who finds "thin forearms" to not be a problem? It's not unattractive for me. It's ev… | /r/seduction | 26/10/20 04:46 AM |
| -1 | Shy woman wanting to approach guyUnpopular opinion, I guess, but I think thin guys are more mysterious than the gym rats, and mysterious is a good thing, is it not? | /r/seduction | 24/10/20 06:03 AM |
| 1 | You guys got it all wrongWhat hard work do I need to do, then? Accepting my limitations, as opposed to self-loathing, would seem to be possible for me--and that IS hard work. I'm not sure if I could be "attractive to women" even with self-acceptance, though (you might offer your thoughts on that.) In this scenario, I'd be the low-status guy who can't contribute to society in meaningful ways, but I'd stop judging myself for it, stop caring if anyone "puts me down" for it, I'd socialize a bit more and be a little more con… | /r/seduction | 24/10/20 05:45 AM |
| 0 | [24M] - Aspergers virgin with no ideaAnd non-functional Asperger (without gifted intellect) is a super disadvantage. But you could make my day if you have anecdotes of autistic guys who weren't college material, but still had a dating life (I've about lost all hope) | /r/seduction | 22/10/20 05:01 AM |
| -1 | You guys got it all wrongvilifying I never said you were vilifying them, I said you were implying a guy needs to have some modicum of money/status to have a chance to get decent women. Your words are indirect, but anyone reading between your lines can find it. And I was going to say I can't have either one because I'm autistic and lost my chances because of avoidance/inaction. Liking myself regardless, would be helpful overall, but if you assert that to like yourself "even if you cannot have conventional value" is the k… | /r/seduction | 22/10/20 04:56 AM |
| 5 | You guys got it all wrongWhat is "personal power" if it's not status and money, then? You try to give a good message and then just revert back to saying--without actually saying--"move up the ladder in life, keep up with Jones, and so on." Why say anything at all if you're just going to depress so many of us autistic guys, who don't have no personal power. Do you know any losers (who don't compensate with looks/height) who do well with women? Maybe give us some examples. | /r/seduction | 21/10/20 05:17 AM |
| 1 | You guys got it all wrongI need to be successful in order to feel good about myself/have worth as a human being. But it could be implied from some of your words that social status and conventional value--things that society values, such as good education, career, prospects--are necessary components of a "strong, attractive guy." So you have a mixed message going on, there. | /r/seduction | 21/10/20 05:12 AM |
| 1 | I’m doneIf a guy is below 6 foot in this day and age, they're not going to hit him up first, though | /r/seduction | 21/10/20 05:06 AM |
| 2 | I’m doneWell then what are you going to do, just whine about it and give up since you don't look like the Shad on your burner? If it's that unfair, why try at all? I mean look where you're going with that logic and your experiments. Everyone knows folks like a "shiny" man or woman, but if it's not you, then it doesn't pay to "wish" you could have their share... it only makes you envious and bitter. Stop comparing and get out there, dude. If you can't get them to approach you like a Shad, you have to tak… | /r/seduction | 21/10/20 04:48 AM |
| 3 | I’m doneLatin women may like short dudes, but they also require said dude to be "highly social, extroverted" dude otherwise they think the guy is strange or second-rate. I guess it's a cultural thing | /r/seduction | 21/10/20 04:44 AM |
| 1 | I’m doneBut they don't exist. They only want the height or the bread, etc. | /r/seduction | 21/10/20 04:43 AM |
| 6 | I’m doneAnd what does all that mean, in the face of what he said? He put up 2 profiles of Model-type guys acting depressed, autistic, no career, and got attention left and right. Whereas with his profile he acted "as himself" (in other words, following the advice you gave there, 'be yourself and comfortable as oneself') and got nothing at all besides rejection. So this comment of yours doesn't ring true. A very short guy is probably not going to get any attention unless he's very well-paid or has high-s… | /r/seduction | 21/10/20 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Cold approach has changed my life in every way possibleYou're missing an important part of this equation. You're right the status and money did not do the work of talking to women for this guy, but his credentials are likely the reason they eventually said yes. A lawyer is an easy "yes" for a woman, when it comes to this. I don't think they'd have chosen to have relations with a guy who's a burrito engineer, unemployed, etc. Harsh but true. Currently I can't even get the respect that a Burrito Engineer would have, and I'm a fully grown man. "Lesser-… | /r/seduction | 11/10/20 04:59 AM |
| 3 | Both incels and PUAs are wrong: You must accept harsh truths but can't let them ruin you.I think you can get decent women while being an autistic loser who can't do shit in life... and also, I definitely do not think this belief is out of touch. Such a guy is not offering social finesse or status symbols, but guys who lack social finesse, money, and status symbols can still get decent women. I'm saying I agree, I guess. The harsh truths hold sway much of the time, but not all of the time. There's quality women who like low-value guys, ironic as it may sound, and I stand by this beli… | /r/seduction | 11/10/20 04:21 AM |
| 1 | Seduction: A Reality of AttractionNot to underplay your condition, but don't you have your priorities in the wrong place? "A late 30s autistic guy, who can't do shit in life" - this mentality of yours doesn't necessarily allow for enough wiggle room to "hope to find decent woman." But surely cool woman, would be into a guy like me? I'm valuable, you see But I know nothing, I personally do not have autism, however, even in tragedy there exists opportunity. Passion, if not that, interest - surely you have one, that past the constr… | /r/seduction | 09/10/20 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Seduction: A Reality of AttractionAutism leads to a fractured identity, so there is no way to find a self if that self is broken by default, you follow? Would you tell a late 30s autistic guy, who can't do shit in life, to have hope to find decent woman? I'd guess that you wouldn't. Anyway, I'm angry at the world for denying all possible experience in the romantic/sensual realm... but it is what it is. Brave is the man who can admit defeat, and braver yet is the man who knows that bullshit society is the reason... not so much hi… | /r/seduction | 07/10/20 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?I wrote a relatively long reply to this and apparently hit the wrong button and lost the entire thing. To recap what I said, basically I said a man cannot get away with lacking the ideals projected by society... while many/most women can. It's not stopping you from getting dates/flings with men you find at least somewhat attractive. With a man, it means you'll be a dateless virgin indefinitely, perhaps for an entire life. And I said you still did not appear to fully grasp this difference, which … | /r/seduction | 06/10/20 04:55 AM |
| 1 | How idealism and daydreams can destroy your dating gameBut is the only way to resolve low-status insecurity, through making oneself "higher status" ? Does a man in his 30s need to be put-together or can he exist on the fringe, and still find a non-fringe woman | /r/seduction | 05/10/20 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Confidence is sexyAlthough, why didn't this girl reply to this very true fact, if that's the case...? | /r/seduction | 02/10/20 06:13 AM |
| -1 | What if you’re a social trainwreck?If you're an autistic guy, though, women will not be interested. That's just how it works. | /r/seduction | 02/10/20 06:12 AM |
| 2 | How idealism and daydreams can destroy your dating gameWhat do you suggest, instead? | /r/seduction | 02/10/20 06:08 AM |
| 1 | How idealism and daydreams can destroy your dating gameWe're now almost thirty and despite him being a very objectively attraction man in all departments, being on a good track, having an alright social network, excellent history, great personality, loyalty, humor, intelligence, fantastic lifestyle and all the other things most people deem important- he is an idealist. A guy doesn't need to be on a good track, have a good social network, great history, great lifestyle, career... to get with decent women. Or at least to have decent partners for "sexy… | /r/seduction | 02/10/20 06:02 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?don't listen to what other people are telling you, In this case, if you also imply in this conversation, it's because some of your advice does not translate--you're a different age group to begin with. That does not mean you're wrong on everything... for you ARE also correct about some things, you're right that maybe there is a place for me "somewhere" but equally, I feel you don't take my doubts seriously. And those doubts are based in the way society perceives a valuable man, and the objective… | /r/seduction | 02/10/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | [Rant] Get this into your headWhat else would I need, then? | /r/seduction | 02/10/20 04:54 AM |
| 1 | [Rant] Get this into your headIf I feel better, is that enough to have a good chance? | /r/seduction | 29/09/20 06:23 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?Are you genuine in your stance on this? I'm willing to answer some of your inquiries if you're for real. I've had to deal with my fair share of troll accounts (folks I've stopped replying to, blocked.. and came back later as a new account, just to get leverage for more insults.) | /r/seduction | 29/09/20 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?If I wanted a FWB or hook up, no, since those are solely based off of sex; however he should be able to somewhat talk to me because I don't just sleep with every dude I see. I have 100% had FWBs and hook ups with painfully shy guys that I either met over online apps or approached myself at parties and took the lead with social interaction. It is, I guess, the answer I like to hear if you are honest about it. When I've asked about this before in a few different places, usually I would get somethi… | /r/seduction | 29/09/20 06:13 AM |
| 1 | Just a post for the ladies of r/seductionMate, I feel for you but you must be a special kind of stupid to keep this up. It's more effort than just trying. Not sure if you're more in the vein of "your insistence on being cynical at all times, and making no changes" kind of stupid, or more of a general label, if the latter then it is a low blow. I had someone on this subreddit a while back bring out the R-card, because I kept posting similar questions without taking action. I don't take kindly to such things. I'd think this is "foolish" … | /r/seduction | 29/09/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | For guys losing hair but not shaving it off yet... your experience?let's try to go without the "pro-shave" bias and just tell it straight. Are those guys you know with hair "in between"... are they basically enduring a "shut-out" among women... no looks, no attention, no dates...? I would find it hard to believe that's the truth. I can't fathom the answers I receive about this online... everyone telling me "guys with hair loss are profoundly unattractive... if they would just shave their head, on the other hand, women would be into them!" And I've seen comments… | /r/seduction | 29/09/20 05:30 AM |
| 2 | For guys losing hair but not shaving it off yet... your experience?Yes I have thought about hair transplant, however I'm not sure exactly if I'm quite at that level of desperation yet... but it may be soon. That's not even considering the process itself, and the price... and whatever else... At the end of the day there are girls who care about your hair and a bunch who don't, In that case I'd be looking for the ones who don't mind if I've got some loss going on. My hair was by far my best feature when I had it, you see... such a part of my identity and pride; a… | /r/seduction | 29/09/20 05:20 AM |
| 2 | [Rant] Get this into your headBut if I'm never going to be enough (you've seen my posts before and know I'm everything women don't want) what's the point of having any hope for my chances with women and therefore, taking any action, at all? | /r/seduction | 24/09/20 04:02 AM |
| 2 | [Rant] Get this into your headAm I still a boss, even if I'm an autistic loser, almost past his prime, and still has no experience with women? Would you be able to "not compare yourself to others" if you were in this situation? Would you still have a chance to respect yourself and find cool woman if you were in these shoes? Let's be realistic. You write optimistically, but the cold truth--the world is harsh after all--would suggest I will be dateless virgin for the entirety of a life. (If you're going to suggest "payment opt… | /r/seduction | 24/09/20 03:56 AM |
| 1 | For genuine nice guys and noobies2) Being "nice" by itself doesn't generate attraction. A lot of guys think being nice is a substitute for doing all the other steps involved in getting a girl, and it's not. Simple as that. I agree, but money, social network, success etc. are not necessarily among those other steps. Simply being a man who does not need women could comprise the rest of those unsaid steps (which is not easy, by the way, but can still be done without money/status, etc.) Having a mission of your own, even if not som… | /r/seduction | 24/09/20 03:50 AM |
| 1 | For genuine nice guys and noobiesThe whole "nice guys" thing tends to arise from negative preconceived beliefs like this, though: Additionally, I'd suggest to beware of the guy who proposes low effort cheap walks in the parc or quick coffees, instead of the dinner+movie, or dinner+concert or whatever fun activity, because he only is going to offer you anything if he thinks he will get sex in return, it's all transactional for him, nothing humane in this and a major red flag. And then this guy claims women are goldiggers when he… | /r/seduction | 24/09/20 03:43 AM |
| 1 | Just approach them.What do you think about this? Additionally, I'd suggest to beware of the guy who proposes low effort cheap walks in the parc or quick coffees, instead of the dinner+movie, or dinner+concert or whatever fun activity, because he only is going to offer you anything if he thinks he will get sex in return, it's all transactional for him, nothing humane in this and a major red flag. And then this guy claims women are goldiggers when he in the first place is the one thinking only about his money and pr… | /r/seduction | 24/09/20 03:39 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?For the most part, fairly attractive physically, but utter disasters emotionally. Care to elaborate on the disastrousness? In the few cases where I got some interest online (and was possibly interested myself) there were some hints, and in some cases, actual admissions of a self-harm disorder. There were a few other cases where I was not exactly interested, but the person who was interested exhibited clear signs of borderline pd or other severe emotional issues. I'm not judging, though... but it… | /r/seduction | 21/09/20 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Just a post for the ladies of r/seductionAnother, more recently, was an extreme case of self-doubt. He assumed he wasn't good enough for girls, so he just didn't bother. Nice guy, earned good money. Nearly 30 at the time. He gave up looking after himself and didn't do many social hobbies. To him, this reaffirmed his belief that he was worthless to women, but this was his own doing. After getting him a haircut, a new shirt, and downloading tinder, I was able to coach him into talking to plenty of girls. Some of whom, I can assure you, h… | /r/seduction | 21/09/20 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?That being said, I learned I need someone more empathetic than my ex was and someone more extroverted to blend better with my personality. These are not huge things to ask imo, and if someone can't provide them, then we likely aren't a good match and shouldn't force it. They deserve someone who matches them, as do I. I'm not going to assume too much about what you're looking for, but assume a guy you were "half-interested" in at a glance, turned out (once you knew him better) to be painfully shy… | /r/seduction | 21/09/20 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Just a post for the ladies of r/seductionIt makes no sense. If you have low odds at something, you should DO IT MORE. Whatever "odds" you have are multiplied by each attempt. Even 0.1% * 1 approach is an improvement over 99% * 0 approaches. I agree that yours makes more sense, but only on paper. The lower the "market value" of the guy who wants to find partner, the greater the likelihood for rejection, which means the greater the likelihood for embarrassment, as well risks to self-esteem. Already fragile self-esteem can't sustain too m… | /r/seduction | 18/09/20 04:47 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?Are you serious man? You really did not make this up? Although, you said you studied engineering... which suggests you may have passed the "status/ambition" test based on that. Were you also a polymath? That could be one way for a guy like my description to compensate. But I don't have even have that compensation... far from it. Let me ask this, how did you meet this girl? | /r/seduction | 18/09/20 04:35 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?What kind of "unhealthy" relationships have you had, then? I'm interested to hear about it. With me, if we're going based on online experience, what I've found is the only types interested in me are... well, let's say... it's hard to talk about it. It could make me look like a hypocrite, or something. Although I've had zero relationships. So... | /r/seduction | 18/09/20 04:32 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone ever seen "low-value" guy with cool woman?My first boyfriend was someone you could consider "low-value." He wasn't very social/extroverted (didn't have a ton of friends/was usually the quiet one in the corner and didn't pick up social cues very well), didn't fit the societal definition of attractive (not super tall, not super fit), had very nerdy/geeky interests, had a more-logical/rational-and-not-feeling personality, and we were both in school together, so he hadn't made any sort of career for himself at that point. I appreciate your … | /r/seduction | 18/09/20 04:24 AM |
| 1 | Cannot accept the modern dating, oneitis, worst pain of my life.Would just appreciate if she was honest and not tell me she prefers long term relationships. Which is obviously not the case. 90% of all women who say "only longterm relationships, and never anything else" is either omitting something, or spinning the truth there. You will very rarely get an honest answer about this, it's just the way this is, and it will not change. Doesn't matter who you ask, or even if they know the woman very well. The point is, about this one specific topic, they cannot be … | /r/seduction | 16/09/20 04:06 AM |
| -1 | Just a post for the ladies of r/seductionIt's called reality. | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 04:47 AM |
| 1 | Just a post for the ladies of r/seductionAnd yet, what about being 5'9" with thin wrists? I happen to like being my height as well as being thin, FWIW. And yet, this "build" is apparently reverse-catnip among women. Probably the only thing they see is the weak forearms and twiggy wrists, in addition to my being a modest/basic height. There is no element of "manly" in my entire being, and I ain't gonna delude myself... that's just how it is. And since I'm autistic with ADD, I've no career, monetary, or social value to compensate with. I… | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 04:11 AM |
| -1 | Just a post for the ladies of r/seductionEasier for Shad, you mean? | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 04:02 AM |
| 2 | Just a post for the ladies of r/seductionBut low-value guys probably should not approach, since they have very low odds. That's the problem here. Some of us can't be anything besides low-value--I'm sure you get the concept, it's just hard to acknowledge. All I have to do is look in the mirror, bruh... | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 04:00 AM |
| 1 | Create value and be arrogantCould I make that stuff up, though? To be honest, I don't have much to say for myself--I've never been a "doer" in life. | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 03:54 AM |
| 1 | Create value and be arrogantGreatness can be defined by yourself, though; even if you're just a homebody who likes to paint, draw, or write by yourself. If you feel you're doing great work by your own standards--even if it's not contributing social or societal value--this should still count. I feel every guy here thinks "high value" only means one of these things, "great social status, strong education, good career" or whatever. They couldn't be further from the truth, honestly. | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 03:53 AM |
| -1 | Girls have gotta take their shot more often, and handle rejection like WOMEN.And those that don't develop into strong men still get decent women, even if it's less common. So don't rain on the parade, please | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 03:50 AM |
| 0 | Girls have gotta take their shot more often, and handle rejection like WOMEN.Why don't they approach me, then? | /r/seduction | 15/09/20 03:48 AM |
| 1 | Genuinely curious, why is seduction so important to you?Well if by effort you mean putting yourself out there, learning good conversation ability, showing some intent, and the like... I agree. If you mean have a good career and a social network, well I don't think you always need that to get decent women. I cannot believe the emphasis you're putting on "bigger, taller, stronger... more money" that's just high-school level talk there, bruh. Women just need you to be confident and self-assured. Forget credentials, height, money. Very helpful, but not n… | /r/seduction | 09/09/20 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Red flags to take serious at all timesMan you must've been MVP then? | /r/seduction | 07/09/20 05:02 AM |
| 1 | Attractive lifestyle not needed; self-assurance IS more importantWell the "standard metrics" I was addressing in this post were things like social status and career. There are other standard metrics of course, as you point out. Of course, looks and physical health. Looks will matter, obviously--but that is not what I'm addressing here, it's a very thorny thing to discuss, anyway. Physical health is something folks will have a lot more control over, and it's not simply about looks but about one's habits, exercise, diet and the like. Improving these things will… | /r/seduction | 07/09/20 04:36 AM |
| 3 | Is randomly approaching girls something a lot of guys do or is it not that common?Most women will say they don't like it And many of those are not being entirely honest. It's the highly uncalibrated approach they don't like, or those guys that approach at the wrong time/wrong place. Otherwise most women like the attention, at very least. | /r/seduction | 04/09/20 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Is randomly approaching girls something a lot of guys do or is it not that common?May I ask, why do you want to know? | /r/seduction | 04/09/20 05:12 AM |
| 3 | How exciting of a life do I really need for a girl to want to date me?That's pretty cynical I know plenty of 6-figure guys who can't get no woman, honestly, too. I suppose "good for the OP" if medicine is what he wants to do, but it's not as if 6 figure guys have a monopoly on all decent women. Plenty of zero-to-5 figure guys seem to get quality women too, mate. | /r/seduction | 03/09/20 05:06 AM |
| 2 | How exciting of a life do I really need for a girl to want to date me?What if a guy is past 30 and doesn't have career or money, etc... I mean I'm autistic, for example. I know the OP studying medicine is going to do very well with women... if not now, then later... but obviously I won't have the materialist or breadwinner aspect to rely on, given I'm not functional enough for a career. Is it over for me? Or could I still find good woman, at least for casual arrangement, etc? | /r/seduction | 03/09/20 05:05 AM |
| 1 | How much exactly does height matter in dating?"Well then those below 6 foot are compensating with social status and money. Which is still not very encouraging for those of us who are average height and disadvantaged in social arenas of life (hint: it's a lot of guys who are like this)" | /r/seduction | 01/09/20 04:25 AM |
| 1 | How much exactly does height matter in dating?Don't use the older quote (which I will admit, was about hyperbole for the effect)... use the newer one. I'm afraid to say, it really is accurate... and that's a problem. | /r/seduction | 31/08/20 04:14 AM |
| 1 | MEN, ITS OK TO HAVE STANDARDSQuite literally it seems to be everyone here includes "thin" as something a guy shouldn't be, if he wants to be seen as masculine and therefore attractive. So I felt you included that clause, between the lines there... | /r/seduction | 31/08/20 04:13 AM |
| 2 | The Law of Attraction and SeductionA lot of it's true, but you definitely don't have to be a high value guy if you're fine with "average-ish" types of women, you could even be below-average yourself so long as you have a good attitude, it's possible to get "half-decent" women that way alone. I've never believed this whole Blackpill statement that's repeated even in this sub: "any average woman can get a Chad, any day they want, for an insta-date or something more." Or something like that. It's not true. A lot of average-ish women… | /r/seduction | 30/08/20 06:20 AM |
| 1 | MEN, ITS OK TO HAVE STANDARDSThin guys can still clean-up, though. Even if they don't have money and status. So I don't see why you're saying all this, bruh. "Thin" is still healthy. | /r/seduction | 30/08/20 05:39 AM |
| 2 | Based on some posts and comments I've seen here, as well as my own experiences, I feel like this is tangentially relatable and relevant for people.In that case, what would inspire someone to engage in this idiotic "stalking"... what purpose does having a "mission" of provoking specific individuals over the long haul, serve for him? Seems kinda sadistic, actually! | /r/seduction | 30/08/20 05:32 AM |
| 1 | How much exactly does height matter in dating?Well then those below 6 foot are compensating with social status and money. Which is still not very encouraging for those of us who are average height and disadvantaged in social arenas of life (hint: it's a lot of guys who are like this) | /r/seduction | 30/08/20 05:27 AM |
| 1 | MEN, ITS OK TO HAVE STANDARDSWell, it's a multilayered thing. I'm talking more about being true to oneself enough to know when to fold. Understood, you are talking about a slightly different concept this time around. I suppose you might say, I still felt I had some beef with what you said last time around... and jumped back in to the fray, here, to mention it. Maybe that was a bit "underhanded" of me... in that case, all I can do is apologize. But the vibe is much more important because it's what drives the interaction and … | /r/seduction | 30/08/20 05:20 AM |
| 1 | Based on some posts and comments I've seen here, as well as my own experiences, I feel like this is tangentially relatable and relevant for people.Read the comments in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/iig3nr/men_its_ok_to_have_standards/ And tell me how I would believe in myself, if women have unlimited choice and therefore only choose to "weed out" guys like me. | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 05:28 AM |
| 3 | MEN, ITS OK TO HAVE STANDARDSI don't want to be a thorn in your side. But you're the same one who suggested some guys should "greatly lower standards" because you yourself had done so before. It's just another way to put the whole "standards scale" thing... a pertinent example would be, "if you're autistic and not 'shiny' in conventional ways, you have to lower standards to those who may be interested in you" The idea is sensible and sound, but do you know how this actually works out, in the real world? If we go by online d… | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 04:50 AM |
| 2 | Based on some posts and comments I've seen here, as well as my own experiences, I feel like this is tangentially relatable and relevant for people.This may sound strange, but do you think Thots would be attainable for guys like us? I seem to be very interested in getting Thots, lately. I don't want to be "Thotless" anymore, as they say... "Thotful" would be the ideal. But even one experience would be good for me. They certainly don't HAVE to be a Thot, but ain't gonna lie, that's the type that catches my eye the most, usually. (I'm actually half-serious with this) | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 04:47 AM |
| 1 | Based on some posts and comments I've seen here, as well as my own experiences, I feel like this is tangentially relatable and relevant for people.Say what? Actually, hope is real. You seem to paint it as an enemy that only offers gleeful deception, when you put it like that... | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Based on some posts and comments I've seen here, as well as my own experiences, I feel like this is tangentially relatable and relevant for people.And why would this be? Did you read my post? Obviously they don't want someone who's lived a life of avoidance, someone who lacks practical skills, and can barely tolerate socializing, etc. | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Getting closer...i can feel itObviously you know not to assume interest from a paid employee, man! Granted, maybe her attention is legit if you happen to be Shad (6'0" or taller, attractive, socially fluent) but otherwise the only rational response is to assume she's paid to be that way. If you're wrong? Well, you you could get in trouble, and/or it may be embarrassing to go to that store again. Reputation. Not worth it. Don't tell me you don't know this, bruh | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 04:34 AM |
| 2 | Based on some posts and comments I've seen here, as well as my own experiences, I feel like this is tangentially relatable and relevant for people.Now I'm interested in this other guy and what he has been doing. I have had a few trolls following my account as well, they just make new accounts once in a while and so it's hard to stop. How exactly does your troll operate? I'm trying to figure this out myself | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 04:28 AM |
| 1 | How much exactly does height matter in dating?They only want 6 foot or better, alright? | /r/seduction | 29/08/20 04:24 AM |
| 7 | Based on some posts and comments I've seen here, as well as my own experiences, I feel like this is tangentially relatable and relevant for people.Well if one is damaged, they still may be able to make a good life, but probably not one where they can find cool woman, hook-up, or things along those lines. Although, don't let me speak for all others, on that... At least in my case, to find woman, it's likely to remain closed for good. I've lost countless years to mild autism, social anxiety, and avoidance (the golden triad.) Throw some addiction into the mix there, too. Recovered mostly, but still scarred (low motivation to fix my issues.) O… | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 06:27 AM |
| 1 | How to approach WITHOUT FEAR but instead with masculinity and authenticity.LOL I have a chiseled jawline and would lose my good looks if I covered it up. But no matter, since it never got me anywhere, in the first place. | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 06:21 AM |
| 2 | Finally approached a girl at my job todayI'll try to be a bit more optimistic this time and say, I hope it goes well for you Please follow up on the texts, though... if she replies and so on.. cuz i'm curious | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 06:20 AM |
| 1 | Never chase womenYou're aware he clearly has no idea what he's saying. Can't even string a sentence together right... | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 06:17 AM |
| 1 | Getting closer...i can feel itBut she's on the clock, so she is paid to be friendly, right? So it's probably not a sign of interest. I mean, would you have taken your shot? These things don't always turn out well, since they're supposed to be friendly you're aware | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 06:14 AM |
| 3 | Being Sexy Is Not About Looks But About This..⬇️⬇️Actually asking on a lark... but do you think "Otis" from WWE could clean up, if he didn't have his status as a "pro-athlete" to rely on? He's certainly an unattractive guy, to be blunt. But I contend he could clean up even if he wasn't a pro, so long as he had the same positive attitude about him. I'll concede to the other poster, I do think there are certain limits where very little can be done (if you happen to be a super-unlucky guy, with legit abnormal looks, etc.) however if a relatively "… | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 06:09 AM |
| 1 | How much exactly does height matter in dating?But did you see what the other guy in this thread said? Here's an example: I don’t really try unless the girl shows interest first ..... the numbers I used are just for examples..... odds are she left you for a “10” the guy had really good genes “height” and probably had a higher status “better job” he cheated on her which means other girls wanted him too “high value” .... | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 05:22 AM |
| 1 | Does sex with hot, new women ever get old?It doesn't really make sense, despite being a good story. It does not really explain why you're not afraid of rejection at all, or maybe I'm dense? | /r/seduction | 28/08/20 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Does sex with hot, new women ever get old?That and I’m not afraid of rejection whatsoever. I assume that was something you had to learn, then? I just want to know how you learned to be that way. I'm the extreme opposite and take everything personally, consumed by envy... haven't figured out yet how to make that budge. Although your posts suggest you got a lot of validation early on, in your 20s... which always helps. I never had that validation. Never "went to parties." Never did the college thing. (Had I even gone to college, I never w… | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 07:01 AM |
| 1 | Does sex with hot, new women ever get old?My bad, I was thinking you're that other guy here, who said he's been with "literally hundreds of women"... that dude told me he's highly attractive and in a PhD program. I told him "of course you're going to slay, like that"... I told him he got great gifts and he's lucky. Of course, I'm envious. | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 06:21 AM |
| 1 | How do hookups/friends with benefits happen between people?If you happen to be 6 foot tall+, attractive, and so on, yes. Otherwise, nope. | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 06:16 AM |
| 1 | How do hookups/friends with benefits happen between people?You should download dating apps - a large variety of them - Tinder, Bumble, Hinge - and specify you’re looking for something casual. You have to be Shad for that. The word "casual" today belongs just to Shad, y'know. Every other guy has to compensate with job and money, to get a relationship (even if the shoe don't fit) I wish it wasn't this way, and honestly everyone would be a lot better off, if this wasn't such a fixed rule. If only there was even slight flexibility in that. But it's what we'… | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 06:14 AM |
| 0 | How much exactly does height matter in dating?I disagree, this guy above said it best, really: I don’t really try unless the girl shows interest first ..... the numbers I used are just for examples..... odds are she left you for a “10” the guy had really good genes “height” and probably had a higher status “better job” he cheated on her which means other girls wanted him too “high value” .... That's the reality of the game. Height and status determine a lot... So I don't believe 5'8" guys can get decent women, unless he is wealthy or maybe … | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 06:05 AM |
| 1 | How much exactly does height matter in dating?If those are the odds we're looking at, then dude, that looks impossible. BUT, maybe you exaggerated there. Has to be. Because the game isn't THAT merciless and cruel. Can't be. Otherwise no short guys would ever be with decent woman, unless said short guy was rich or a genius (like people of all heights, very few will be rich or a genius.) | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 06:03 AM |
| 1 | Does sex with hot, new women ever get old?Are you the same guy who said "being attractive and being highly accomplished"--because you're "smart and in a doctoral program"--was the way for you to get with all these women? I mean you're just so full of BS with that, man. You said you were with "hundreds of women" and presumably because of your genetic gifts. You're aware your gifts, in that combination, are just lucky... given you merely won the roll of the dice? How many of us can have the gift of looks also with intellect? Very few, is … | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 05:28 AM |
| 1 | You really need status and money to have any chance past 30?Perfection can be overrated, sometimes it’s more attractive to be interesting and different. Interesting and different could be me, depending on how you look at it. I would say "different" can be good, but some kinds of "different" are undeniably bad, at least for the pursuit of women. Perhaps this may sound cold, but as an example, take a guy who's super-unattractive in the physical sense. The word "different" would apply to such a man, and perhaps such a guy would make for an interesting figur… | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 04:43 AM |
| 1 | You really need status and money to have any chance past 30?Thanks for replying, and glad to see you back! Some people just want someone in their corner when they take on the world. Could I ask, then, what would generally be sought from a guy who's in their corner when they "take on the world"? Although maybe it would help if you would qualify the kind of arrangement you're speaking of; it seems you're talking more about a more serious relationship, if i'm not wrong | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 04:32 AM |
| 1 | How do you get with thots?Yeah man, that's how I see it. But I think Thots would still be hard for me to get, because I'm on the spectrum. On the other hand, they're usually not the kind of woman to look at the guy's wallet-size or job, and judge mostly on that, so I might have a chance (I'm certainly not a "breadwinner" you see.) If I wanted to seek Thots anyway--despite still having low odds--where would I look for them? Again, I don't want to be "thotless"... | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 04:18 AM |
| 1 | Be confident and you'll attract womenI did not write this thread. My comment was only aimed at you. I was talking to you man (the same guy who said "never seen a woman with a shorter guy" which I took to mean, you think you're "too short" right?)... just to show you it's not always what you think. Short guys still have a decent chance. Like I said before, I've seen it | /r/seduction | 26/08/20 04:15 AM |
| 1 | Fear is just really a state of the mind.Why try so hard when Shad, 6'2" and the band leader in college, doesn't have to do anything and he still has women clamoring for his attention? You're telling me I have to put in 20x the effort that guy does, just to get one date ? What gives... that just can't be right Those of us who are the Opposite of Shad? What can we do? Since we're not able to have the masculine looks, the social status, nor the money... seems like approaching wouldn't accomplish much other than tons of rejection and mayb… | /r/seduction | 25/08/20 04:48 AM |
| 1 | Does sex with hot, new women ever get old?You don't need money, status, and social circles to get decent women, though. Can't a guy be an autistic loser and still do well with chicks--let's say "average" women then--right? I'm an autistic low-value guy, not young either, but I believe I still have a chance to get with Thot. Anyway, how do you get Thots? | /r/seduction | 25/08/20 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Be confident and you'll attract womenI definitely have, but I will admit, it is uncommon. But I HAVE seen this before and in most of these cases, it was clear that the woman he was with was a partner and whatnot. | /r/seduction | 25/08/20 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Cold approach has changed my life in every way possibleGirls on there are super picky. But I haven't known many that would swipe left on a guy who lists "lawyer" so, again, this is hard to believe unless you put almost no effort into your pictures. That would be the only other thing that could keep a guy of your caliber from "cleaning up" so to speak. | /r/seduction | 25/08/20 04:24 AM |
| 1 | How do you get with thots?I honestly believed (until now, I guess?) Thots were not particularly shallow... I've had one guy describe them as, "They're in it for the love of the game." Which means they're alert to the game and if you play it well (by having some Game) you don't need the money/status stuff. You seem to equate the thot with gold-diggers; but my understanding is that's not who they are. Gold diggers want the money and the status more than anything; Thots love the game, they're a bit more aggressive themselve… | /r/seduction | 25/08/20 04:21 AM |
| 1 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidNot all world-views will align; not sure what the point is. Having more flexibility is always a good thing, but this does not mean I ought to "take the path someone else suggests" just because they're certain of it... so I'm not sure what it is you mean. Having conviction in one's own world-view can be an attractive quality, even. | /r/seduction | 24/08/20 04:58 AM |
| 1 | Why is intamacy declining among young dudes?Expound | /r/seduction | 24/08/20 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Why is intamacy declining among young dudes?I don't require myself to be a good seducer/player but just someone who can maybe find decent woman once in a long while. Would I still need "high value" for that? Is it possible to have "value" without being active participant in society | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 06:08 AM |
| 1 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidIf all you're going to say is "find an escort" I mean what gives, I said what I said. You apparently lack respect for someone who merely thinks differently from you, to me that's not the sign of someone who really knows what's up | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 06:06 AM |
| 1 | The cold approach attempt #1Look at this guy's account, he is a complete troll with a bit of contradictory "intelligent" comments, muddying the waters there... Maybe "half troll" is the word? | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 05:49 AM |
| 1 | The cold approach attempt #1Why don't you approach thin or shy/awkward guys, then? Believe me, it would make their day. | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 05:45 AM |
| 10 | Girls don’t expect you to be perfect.This suggests otherwise, though: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/iet0np/why_is_intamacy_declining_among_young_dudes/ Read the comments there, and the statistics. Seems to be all about jobs and money, when you get down to it. So I disagree, you do have to be "high value" or otherwise you won't find anyone. They have no reason to accept a guy who isn't able to move up the career/status ladder, and it's really depressing, to think about it... but it is the facts. Since women have unlimi… | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 05:42 AM |
| 3 | Why is intamacy declining among young dudes?-Increased expectations by women Not all of us can match those expectations, you see. So I suggest, if you don't have the "good job or good money" you can spin some half-truth or make it up, what else could be done anyway. It's believed by many that an infamous "politician" sitting in a position he does not deserve, achieved much of his success by cheating and lying, as well having no conscience... Not to say one should emulate the unscrupulous, etc, but one has to do what needs to be done, some… | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 05:38 AM |
| 2 | Why is intamacy declining among young dudes?I disagree, because deadbeats are still getting action. | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Why is intamacy declining among young dudes?How do you know approaching would work if you're not high status, though? | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 05:35 AM |
| 1 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidWell then what's the answer, then? "Stop being so fixated on this" would seem to be what you are saying. However, if you basically are denied access or you're a longterm virgin 30+, it is nearly impossible to bring that interest-level down to healthy/acceptable grounds. Not sure what is to be suggested in these cases. I'm late 30s and still a virgin (not interested in escorts, before we go there)... for me every day I'm aware the clock is ticking ever louder and this "lack" seems to be getting m… | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?It's not something I can just put in a comment and you got it. I've helped guys in the past but not everybody can do it. How do you expect this to work, then? | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Cold approach has changed my life in every way possibleI hope you're right about this, man. I can tell you for a fact if I listed the job position or salary you have on dating sites, I would be getting far more messages than otherwise. So I mean, when you say things like that, it's kind-of hard to believe. Certainly if we go by the metrics that online dating uses, a guy of your "ilk" is basically the "winner category" most guys wish they inhabited. Would be hard to think a guy of your caliber wouldn't clean up in real life, also. All I have to do is… | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidNot the example I was looking for | /r/seduction | 23/08/20 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidBut I mean were these guys "deadbeats" in general, though? | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 05:58 AM |
| 1 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidAny way a non-charismatic loser, can somehow become a charismatic loser, though? I think it's my only chance. But the problem with autism is you often get 2 deficits for the price of one: 1) Autism is accompanied with various learning challenges which, if you're unlucky, seriously detract from book-learning and practical skills (I'm unlucky, to say the least) keeping anything remotely white-collar/well-paid far out of reach for me. In fact I can barely be employed at all. It's not really a defic… | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 05:38 AM |
| 2 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidIt would seem that the first choice you list there does not work, though... xD But if you happened to be forthright on it, do you actually know any guy like that (a dead-weight, etc.) who gets good woman? | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 05:34 AM |
| 1 | Have A Bigger Purpose Than Women And Getting LaidIf you're trying to get a raise or promoted at your job, when you are not trying to hit on your cute co-workers, but focusing on moving up and making more money, women will take notice. Is it implied that your advice would not work for the "more challenged" guy who can't have a career? I mean the kind of guy--and all of us know someone like this--who can't really pull his own weight? Man, you based all your "bigger purpose" stuff around jobs and money, basically. Is it to be implied that, withou… | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 05:30 AM |
| 1 | Cold approach has changed my life in every way possibleIt's more the status and money that does it for him. You could work very hard in life but if you can't succeed in society anywhere near this guy's level, you won't be getting the results he gets. Very, very few can be a lawyer like he is or have top 5% salary. We need advice that works not just for the successful guy, but the majority of us who are on the lower-end, or even lesser-abled, like myself. While his advice might be sound overall, for him to link "getting attractive women" with just wi… | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Cold approach has changed my life in every way possibleThe reason you're getting these "attractive women" is because of the job status/money. Part of this is indeed a brag post, and it's predicated on circumstances that don't fit for the vast majority of us here. The fact that you're getting attractive women is mostly because of your worldly success, man. The fact that you don't acknowledge that is almost hypocritical. Such a shame, to see this here... this lack of awareness... this "if I can do it, you can too" without admitting if you didn't have … | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Cold approach has changed my life in every way possibleand I’m still in the top 5% in terms of salary there. Stopped reading after that. Do you have something that works for the autistic guy with no career or perhaps a low-wage job? | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?No, I've never in my entire life met a women via the Internet. So you are not that guy I thought you might be, who had a bidding war going on for him some years ago, in a traditional forum site? Just to make sure anyway. That guy was... not pleasant. Or you could say, very 2-faced; if you happened to say the wrong thing by accident, he'd come out with the most horrific insults. I thought it could be you because the style of writing is similar, one specific phrase that guy used all the time you a… | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Can you still look masculine with skinny wrists and forearms?I've had casual encounters with "vanilla" sex a lot of times. Hard to believe. Why would you be putting up many personal ads in niche categories, if that was the case? I don't know how to put this delicately, but my impression of what I see there, is of someone who probably doesn't meet the kind of woman I'm talking about. Many times I have been told (and have noticed a trend myself) where guys who don't do well in the "typical" scene, turn to alternative scenes and do a lot better there because… | /r/seduction | 22/08/20 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?Like today. I went for a walk. A pretty woman looked at me and gave me a very broad smile as if she wanted me to start a conversation. But, she's not my type and I don't date women who have dogs. Out of sheer curiosity, why is it you don't date women who have dogs? A couple of times before I had others on Reddit tell me to avoid women who have dogs--one guy literally said "they can be psycho"--but I don't know if that's applicable to this. Most men don't know how to communicate on the sexual lev… | /r/seduction | 21/08/20 04:36 AM |
| 1 | Can you still look masculine with skinny wrists and forearms?Look at the kind of posts you are writing. It has the mark of someone who doesn't go through the usual channels. If it works for you, though, then more power to ya. I don't judge anyone for their preferences, however your preference is not mine. I'm "not into that" is what I would say. What kind of "dating experience" have you had, outside of the niche categories? My impression is the "alternative scene" doesn't often demand as much from men; the deal with me is I'm just very vanilla, and not in… | /r/seduction | 21/08/20 04:24 AM |
| 1 | Sexual Desire and ObjectificationIf a man is also objectified equally, what happens to those guys who don't have the status, height and/or money? | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:58 AM |
| 1 | Learning Experience: She approached me, then ditched meDon't go for women who have no thoughts of their own, apart from those shared by her own social circle. In my opinion this "type" be shallow and backwards. Needing "social approval" for everything they do. The level of conformity, at that point, is just toxic. | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:52 AM |
| 1 | How to I increase my value as a man ?!He means attractive-types only want guys with manly forearms, typically 6' foot or taller, status and/or money... and if you lack those things, you won't be getting together with them. Better not to hear it or think about it, and just assume/hope there are many exceptions. That's what he meant. | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:47 AM |
| 2 | How to I increase my value as a man ?!You don't need those things to find cool woman, though. Maybe for a relationship. Otherwise I don't think it's strictly necessary | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:45 AM |
| 1 | Romantic to Friendzone to FWB. Give me your experience!Guy must follow rules 1 and 2, along with social skills/money, to achieve what he did there. It's not right, I tells ya | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:42 AM |
| 3 | Can you still look masculine with skinny wrists and forearms?Have you had that sensation when you're around women or even just in social situations, it's like you're seen as "lesser" or "weak" or something? I tend to think the lack of masculine wrists/forearms is an additive feature. It wouldn't matter much if I was confident anyway... but since I'm not, it "adds up" and contributes to getting further disrespected. | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?Yes. Look, nobody gets everything they want. They may get the girls you want. But, there will be women who will not be interested in that guy. Apples to oranges. If securing the particular relationship he wants is the problem for Shad--as opposed to a complete lack of interest from women--to me, that problem is barely even relevant to this discussion. A relationship problem is still a real problem; a lack of interest and lifetime lack of experience, is pretty much in a different league. That's w… | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:32 AM |
| 1 | Can you still look masculine with skinny wrists and forearms?You mean well, man, but I would be more willing believe what you said here, if you had any success meeting women yourself. Hope you don't mind but i peeked at your post history. It appears to me you haven't had any success; therefore your words seem a bit hollow | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:13 AM |
| 0 | Can you still look masculine with skinny wrists and forearms?You mean well, man, but I would be more willing believe what you said here, if you had any success meeting women yourself. Hope you don't mind but i peeked at your post history. It appears to me you haven't had any success; therefore your words seem hollow | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:13 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.If you claim you read from my post history, how is it you don't know? | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Guys, how to be confident In yourself when you’re balding & hairline receeding?First of all, Adam Driver looks just fine with a (photoshopped - source - but you get the gist) shaved head. Dude, you must be joking. Anyway, even if you think he looks good that way (I happen to think he looks awful) you ought to see what that looks like from straight-on. For an example of that, you ever seen NBA commissioner Adam Silver? Guy just doesn't look good. Disregard the height and status since it's irrelevant, I'm not him, anyway. You're telling me that guy looks good? I wouldn't eve… | /r/seduction | 20/08/20 05:04 AM |
| 2 | Can you still look masculine with skinny wrists and forearms?LOL every time I do push ups I get the worst back pain and headaches from it, I basically can't do any resistance exercise anymore now. I'm just like screwed, man. I believe there's a subset of women who are literally repulsed by thin guys with little forearms, I guess I'm also a bit awkward so it "adds up." Once when I was in the presence of very social/attractive women at a clothing store, they treated me as if I belonged to another "caste"... they were trying hard not to look at me. Makes you… | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 06:14 AM |
| 1 | Guys, how to be confident In yourself when you’re balding & hairline receeding?Did you see my comments here? Shaving or buzzing doesn't work for guys with a certain kind of head/face. And the fact that you don't know this, is depressing. "just be like Jason Statham" bruh And I can't even get muscular because I cannot lift. Is it all over | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Guys, how to be confident In yourself when you’re balding & hairline receeding?I'm losing the hair pretty badly now, but shaving/buzzing looks even worse. And I can't lift weights or get jacked (health/back problems.) Am I screwed or what? | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Guys, how to be confident In yourself when you’re balding & hairline receeding?try a somewhat longer (#5) buzz cut! A buzz cut suits nearly every guy Not if you happen to look like Adam Driver, though. That kind of face needs the hair, no other way to say it, there's no debate to be had. I have the Adam Driver type of face. And losing hair. Can't get rid of it, I would look much worse than I do right now. Can't buzz it, same thing. | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 06:01 AM |
| 2 | I approach my first girl in over three years, it's a start for now...Well if she's out of your league you already know the answer. Life be like a pecking-order, as they say! It sucks, but it just means we have to "know our crowd" really. Aim for someone who doesn't require you to be Shad, basically. | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?First of all, his attitude is very negative. I understand the frustration, I've been rejected more times than I could count. Rejection is just part of the game - there's no way around it. "No way around it"... well, that depends. Can you answer this question, without relying on sophistry: Is rejection really a part of the game for the 6'2" Shad? The answer tends to give the lie to your own statement. And even if Shad is rejected sometimes, it rarely stings, because there's always options. Can't … | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 05:34 AM |
| 2 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.You may be correct on a lot of things. It’s about making yourself your biggest priority and keeping your mind in your own head. But dude I'm not able to live as other men do. I don't quite have that functionality; if I had to "force it" I guess maybe it could work for a while, until I completely break down again. That's just not living. That's what things are like when you have an invisible disability that causes you to "manually process social interaction." It is a complicated problem, very oft… | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 05:11 AM |
| 1 | How do you not get jealous hearing about guys your age who are way more successful with women?Well, I have seen enough of the people he surrounds himself with to see that people he hangs out (regardless of their sex) with aren't appealing at all (at best), which ties into the fact that "like attracts like". So on the whole, there's not really that big of a loss for me. I don't think a socially-challenged/autistic guy is "by default" only able to find "unattractive types", though? If that's your thinking there, it says a lot about you, mate. You're comparing folks, everyone has to be "abo… | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 04:56 AM |
| 2 | How do I win a guy? Every guy I talk too fizzles out after 1 mo. My friends say I should just “enjoy a guys attn” while it’s on me and have fun instead of looking for a BF. Do I need to play those “texting games”?Spot on. This is clearly the kind of person who does things "according to what their social circle prescribes" or perhaps is torn on whether they can go their own way (and risk going against the grain) or if they should follow the herd (and still maintain social acceptance.) Sometimes folks have to make a difficult choice to find what they really want. Make that choice, don't dither. You don't get to have it both ways. | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 04:49 AM |
| 1 | How do I win a guy? Every guy I talk too fizzles out after 1 mo. My friends say I should just “enjoy a guys attn” while it’s on me and have fun instead of looking for a BF. Do I need to play those “texting games”?Equally useful for showing one's real-self, with all the elitist/entitled overtones that entails. One does not get to have a high-quality relationship "because they're ready." Or "because their friends have one." I don't blame you for not appreciating these facts, but at the same time I don't think I'm being a jerk for mentioning it. It's something commonly missed. Quite frankly, this "lack of entitlement" is very often a trait you will see with women who have the same relationship you covet. Th… | /r/seduction | 18/08/20 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Please don’t approach girls who are alone, especially without people around.Fair enough. But if it rarely worked for you, though... I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 07:00 AM |
| 1 | ''Just work on yourself''It is a guarantee, in my opinion. But only if you're confident. The OP clearly lacks confidence | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 06:58 AM |
| 2 | ''Just work on yourself''You work out a lot but your arms and legs are very skinny - if you do not like this you should work on it. If you don't know how to, read books on bodybuilding and book a session with a personal trainer. Skinny forearms and wrists are not this guy's problem, I hate seeing how folks passively seem to agree with it and suggest "fix that with the gym." In any case you cannot fix skinny forearms and wrists, that's mostly about bone structure, which is innate. | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 06:56 AM |
| 3 | How do I win a guy? Every guy I talk too fizzles out after 1 mo. My friends say I should just “enjoy a guys attn” while it’s on me and have fun instead of looking for a BF. Do I need to play those “texting games”?I agree. But also, a "relationship" is not a prize to be won. A woman does not get to have a "relationship check-list" and order the man who checks them all to be in a LTR with her. It's either that's the problem here, as it is always, with these women... or they're troll posts, as the accounts are all new. Kinda iffy IMO (Note this person's account is also new) | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 06:51 AM |
| 1 | How do you not get jealous hearing about guys your age who are way more successful with women?Heck, I even have a socially retarded friend and HE gets to have females in his life. In what sense does he get to have women in his life, then? Platonic friends are good, but personally (as socially-challenged loser guy myself) I would aspire to more than that. Just provide more detail about this guy | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 06:44 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.All that shit is just getting in the way of you learning about you. That you can’t be put in a box or be copied. Once it’s strong, that authenticity and trust in ones own judgement and choices is like a drug for most women. Could it work to be in a very low position (based on societal standards) but somehow "own it" and approach women anyway? Just maybe the chutzpah could help? Or is that just delusional/pipe-dream ideology... Hard to think any half-decent woman would have a reason to accept som… | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 06:12 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?He does the right things, he's self-aware and analytical, knows what he should not do and stands by it. Now he deleted his initial post so I can't comment on the rest, though. You said you'd reciprocate man | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 06:00 AM |
| 1 | You really need status and money to have any chance past 30?But dude I'm half-disabled, I have a social difficulty (mild autism with ADHD) and few credentials, no career. Unfortunately this is all tied in with (a point you also touched on) a long dalliance with drugs and alcohol in my 20s, which has taken a big toll on my life overall--I wasn't an "extreme case" but neither a moderate case either. I got back up, but only just. All the problems that were present already--avoidance, amotivation, self-sabotage--were made worse and somewhat entrenched by the… | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 05:53 AM |
| 1 | You really need status and money to have any chance past 30?Does it have to be one or the other like he said? Either have status or money for a relationship; or be younger (or fit) for casual activity? | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 05:33 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?Yeah man I'm looking for the highly empathic type of woman who doesn't always use a rigid check-list when looking for a man, you know? Hopefully if I put myself out there, I'll catch their eye | /r/seduction | 16/08/20 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?Why not tell me what he's doing wrong, instead? | /r/seduction | 14/08/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?I don't see why you downvoted and disagreed with what I said. I said a guy doesn't need money and status. It's true, you see | /r/seduction | 14/08/20 05:44 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.You have no idea what you are talking about. I may have limited social experience overall, I'll grant you that. But you don't have to be brilliant guy to observe what's going on out there. The whole online dating/social media thing has given women endless options, especially if they want something more on the "casual side." They've literally no need to accept anyone who isn't top 10% at least. This is just how supply-and-demand works. Perhaps you could say they need sex, but since they only want… | /r/seduction | 14/08/20 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?I get that you have to use shorthand for a lot of these "less flattering" topics in game, and maybe it's my fault for broaching the topic already. But the whole "high SMV value" and top 50% versus bottom 50%, it hits a bit hard for me in this moment. I wonder if you might've approached this a bit more delicately if you knew you're talking to a real bottom-tier guy? Those few situations where I had "decent women" online show a bit of interest and willingness to communicate, I guess my looks were … | /r/seduction | 14/08/20 05:25 AM |
| 1 | How do you guys approach someone and go from stranger to intimate?Why couldn't you just be honest, dude. | /r/seduction | 14/08/20 05:04 AM |
| 1 | losing virginity to a random girl I found on tinderHow do you define higher-functioning side of it, personally Is it about practical skills and ability to hold a job and independence, or more about the way you come across? I would be low-functioning if we used the former definition, but pretty darn high-functioning if the latter (just seen as anxious, shy, and so on.) Now I still have trouble making conversation very often, but it can be hit-or-miss, good some days while slow/crappy the others. Another thing is posture, I can be a bit stiff and … | /r/seduction | 14/08/20 05:03 AM |
| 5 | How do you guys approach someone and go from stranger to intimate?But have you gotten the desired results, though? I haven't read every word of your post and don't feel like it right now, but you don't really end with anything conclusive | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 06:13 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?Erm... what does it say about him? To me it sounds like he has the fundamentals down. | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Why is this so hard?but my online results would paint a very different picture. This comment is about online game. Why is it I've been rejected terribly by women I wasn't even interested in (I went with it to see what would happen), but then there were times decent women (I was interested) said I was attractive and gave number, etc. Not that any of this amounted to anything, and it was a long time ago, but I never understood this. Do those women I was not interested in, expect to find Shad (hint: they never will) ?… | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 06:02 AM |
| 1 | What’s your opinion on approaching girls at the gym?If you've been approached you must be following rules 1 and 2, then Not all of us can. I'm just 5'9" and average, can't really get buff, don't have the underlying structure for it. Besides lifting causes all sorts of back pain for me. I'd like it if they would approach, anywhere, even. But it just don't happen to me as far as I can tell | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Do girls find dancing men hot?This is tangential, but man, I don't get why you don't reply to my comments. I've written a few things recently and you had nothing to offer, wondering why anyway | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.Some not-hot guys cannot compensate by getting buff, if they don't have the innate physical structure for it. Take me for instance, 5'9", thin-build, can't get buff, I even have the thin wrists. Would it be impossible for a guy like that to have casual, then? | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 05:26 AM |
| 1 | I’m a 27 years old virgin guy who is successful in every other part of life except dating. What should I do? Is it too late?Just don't base your worth on perceived career status (good OR bad) or other things external to yourself. Appreciate yourself without conditions dependent on what others, or "society", may think. As I said before, it seems your self-worth is completely tied to your perception of what society values in a man. This is a "flimsy front." Think of it like this, if you lost your job or had a low-wage one, would you dislike yourself much more than you do now? Seems like you would. This is the problem y… | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 05:23 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.If you can get something at any time, from any guy you want (mostly Shad, since there's no reason to choose anyone "lesser") it would be hard to call that a "need." So you could say the real need women have is for quality longterm relationships, that's where they have scarcity. But to have sex, without the premise of a relationship? No scarcity, it's the opposite. All they have to do is find a high quality guy on a dating app or whatever, and that's all. Half the time I'm talking to a woman on h… | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 05:13 AM |
| 2 | losing virginity to a random girl I found on tinderHmm, thanks for that. Do you have Asperger's, then? | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Is there any way to find out my SMV (Sexual Market Value)?You mean well, but I'm afraid it would be very hard to utilize much from the examples you provide. The core issue I've got going is mild autism with ADD. Barring some kind of profound "social awakening" or a permanent cure to apathy/anhedonia, I would not be able to develop a persona that fits with the "countercultural artist" thing you exemplify. It's true that I'm something of a visual artist/creative writer, but not a paid one. Because of autism I don't really get to conventionalize things; i… | /r/seduction | 13/08/20 04:58 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.You need to have a relationship if you want that, though. There isn't much demand for that outside of relationships, that's the point. | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 06:27 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.I don't understand what's so wrong about being a guy with desire, but low social-desire. (Which is many, but this is very common for autistic men.) You say you don't like those who have such an outlook, though, if I understand right? You want only "relationship-centric" type who accept the social mores and standards associated with that. But at the same time, you also have high desire. The deal with men is, not all of us are able/willing to compete in the cutthroat world of "traditional relation… | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 06:15 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.But it seems they only want relationships or they want to think you'll be some "serious committed guy" down the line, at least. I can't do either one of those. So would it be dishonest to date at all, under these circumstances? Is the casual thing for Shad only? I guess that's the rub... | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 06:04 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.Well the thing is they all want the "wine and dine" thing and I'm not even looking for something "serious and committed" to begin with. It seems like Ashera is one of those "only wants serious guy looking for longterm" but I'm not one of them. | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 06:02 AM |
| 3 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.How should awkward guys approach the game, though? I'm getting up there in years and lost so much time, and quite envious and frustrated of those guys who've done well (or, had any decent experiences with this, at all.) So I have to take the bull by the horns, then. They're not going to approach for me. But how should it be done? | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 05:59 AM |
| 1 | REMINDER: It is natural to want and to have sex.But none of them "need" that because of supply/demand. Besides if they want/need it, there's always Shad | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 05:54 AM |
| 2 | A real man shows love to everybodyA real man who isn't like that naturally, wouldn't need to change to fit someone else's vision of what a 'real man who attracts women' is. A "real man" is someone who is secure in how he is. If introverted and not interested in social circle games, then a "real man" would accept that, with the important caveat that he would not feel inferior for being that way. He wouldn't think he has to change to become a people-pleaser and have a large social network just because someone like yourself (or any… | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | losing virginity to a random girl I found on tinderAll of the quality poon I've been with in my life has been through cold-approaches. If you do cold approaches, though, do you still need money or social status to have a good chance? | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | losing virginity to a random girl I found on tinderIf you're not Shad, that's the only choice you have, though. What else? | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 05:35 AM |
| 1 | losing virginity to a random girl I found on tinderWhy would this make him autistic? | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 05:33 AM |
| 1 | I’m a 27 years old virgin guy who is successful in every other part of life except dating. What should I do? Is it too late?Confidence not strictly based on career, money, and status is what you should aim for. Somehow learn to separate societal value from actual value. Perhaps you believe your "societal value" is good or getting better, but are you using that to discern your actual value? Sounds like you are to me. It doesn't translate as well as we'd like. What I'm saying is you lack true confidence. That's probably why you're not successful with women thus far. | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Is there any way to find out my SMV (Sexual Market Value)?Well at least a guy 30+ will need a damn good job or high social status at least, otherwise he won't have access to decent women, just how it works man. Women can throw a rock and find guys with those things, they have no reason to accept one with anything less. Younger chicks may make exceptions, but that privilege does not extend to 30+ men. Do you know any 30+ loser guys, who can still pick-up or otherwise in a solid relationship? | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Is 28 too late to start hooking up more?I don't get how folks can act like being attractive, intelligent and accomplished isn't an unfair advantage. Look at what I got. Average looks, average height, mild autism with learning issues on the side. I don't know what deficits your own disorder causes for you, but I imagine being left behind and on the sidelines essentially skipped-over for all things social and "romantic", may not be one of them? I was greatly embittered by reading your first comment there, while I have to accept likely b… | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 04:54 AM |
| 1 | I feel inferior to other guys in dating. There are always bigger, more handsome, richer etc. dudes and I feel insecure. How should I overcome this feeling?Well is it true the casual side is only for 6'2" Shad, and the relationship side is only for "guy with steady job and stability"? Some of us kinda fall in-between, without really having either one of those, you see. | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 04:45 AM |
| 1 | I feel inferior to other guys in dating. There are always bigger, more handsome, richer etc. dudes and I feel insecure. How should I overcome this feeling?Then what do you want ? I don't want to be judged for being awkward or having less than the next guy. If I'm assured of this to some extent, I'd be alright going out there. Otherwise, not so much. Because if you dont want anything social then I guess you dont want to date a girl? It's not that I don't want anything social. I just don't want to deal with the problems caused by group dynamics, social circles, infighting, competition. Because I can't deal with all that crap. You're telling me you c… | /r/seduction | 12/08/20 04:39 AM |
| 1 | Is 28 too late to start hooking up more?What if you lack any college degree and cannot have a career because of autism? Would that mean it's over? Don't tell me women are just that shallow. | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Is 28 too late to start hooking up more?What's an autistic loser to do, then? I just want to do things my own way and not worry about "societal expectations" which is basically everything you have there (have a good job, be able to converse with anyone, be worldly, have practical skills.) I probably can't have any of that you see. My way--myself, rather--does not desire most of that. Much of what you suggest goes against my inner tendency. The only thing I want to do, mostly, is to observe. To act... to do... it's not me. Never has be… | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:44 AM |
| 1 | I feel inferior to other guys in dating. There are always bigger, more handsome, richer etc. dudes and I feel insecure. How should I overcome this feeling?Nah man I don't believe a lack of arbitrary things like a "good career" or a "wide social circle" means you can't get quality women. | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:40 AM |
| 1 | I feel inferior to other guys in dating. There are always bigger, more handsome, richer etc. dudes and I feel insecure. How should I overcome this feeling?Yeah but what if you mostly just don't want to do anything social, don't want a social circle, etc. In this case I am being myself... I legitimately do not want the things that women "prize" ! Not to mention I'm 30+ and can't have a career because I'm autistic. I'm not socially motivated, and not to mention I fall below the minimum bar in most metrics. Apparently this is not good enough? I don't get it. I thought a guy like this would do well with women. Since I'm being myself... everyone says "… | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:38 AM |
| 1 | You are responsible for your own happinessregarding your body, job, health, social and other important life areas that would keep your confidence high, What if you're lesser-abled due to some condition, like social anxiety or developmental issues, and cannot have a career and can't have a social circle? What would that guy do, then, to have confidence? | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:33 AM |
| 1 | Is there any way to find out my SMV (Sexual Market Value)?SMV is identical to wallet-size, though. | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:29 AM |
| 1 | I’m a 27 years old virgin guy who is successful in every other part of life except dating. What should I do? Is it too late?I think you made that up. Not surprising given you're a coach, though. I'm older loser but I want to find those women attractive inside and out. Hopefully I won't need status and money. | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:27 AM |
| 1 | I’m a 27 years old virgin guy who is successful in every other part of life except dating. What should I do? Is it too late?Nah man you don't need money and status to get quality women, | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:26 AM |
| 1 | I’m a 27 years old virgin guy who is successful in every other part of life except dating. What should I do? Is it too late?I want the attractive inside and out type, but hopefully they're not with Shad | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:25 AM |
| 1 | I’m a 27 years old virgin guy who is successful in every other part of life except dating. What should I do? Is it too late?The main reason this is more problematic for men is because women expect men to be leaders I guess that means socially-deficient guys are pretty much screwed, and once such guys are past 30, it truly is over. Never seen an awkward virgin guy on here past 30 claim to find a good woman, and it's quite depressing. That's the kind of hope I need and I'm not finding it. I think the only rare cases I found that it's when those 30+ guys really moved up some social/career ladder and the prestige did the… | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Interesting post from /r/datingoverthirty that gives a little bit of insight into the female perspectiveYeah man, although sometimes bottom-drawer guys can find a good woman, provided she's open-minded type. | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 06:17 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?Sorry if it sounds taboo, man, but I checked a bit of your recent post history. It sounds as if you became a club promoter at some point and you found this position really opened things up a bit--not particularly surprising, "good for you" and all, but realize this kind of thing or its equivalent is not attainable for just anyone. It seems you've pivoted away from suggesting "approaches" to social circle game, and the like. I'm just saying, I'm not sure if you're really aware of the limitations … | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 05:10 AM |
| 1 | What can a loser when it comes to girls do, to change it?I'm just saying a guy doesn't need to have status, money, good prospects, etc, to find quality women. It helps a lot, but it's not required. | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 04:40 AM |
| 1 | Women like when you have hoesWhat's a waste of time is not chasing them and losing any opportunity, assuming given deficits have a high likelihood of being there in the future. In the case of autism (even mild), having your shit together is no guarantee that you'll find anyone, either. So you have to try anyway. What about this are you disagreeing with? Are you one to tell guys who have disadvantages "don't bother" or something? | /r/seduction | 09/08/20 04:38 AM |
| 1 | If you plan to spend the next few years getting ripped or getting rich or reading books before you start approaching women, you don’t have a plan; you have an obstacle.I'm that "great big loser" type who's replied to you a few times before. I told myself this was going to be my year for approaching (despite still lacking most of the ingredients of a "normal man" in society) and now this lockdown and general disinclination for folks to converse/meet others, has occurred. Should one even approach during these times? | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 06:15 AM |
| 1 | If you plan to spend the next few years getting ripped or getting rich or reading books before you start approaching women, you don’t have a plan; you have an obstacle.Can you be a loser with few prospects for anything, and still get decent woman, though? Don't tell me that all decent women only want the guy with status or great social skills or money. That's something I can't stomach anymore, I'm too old for that and with dwindling chances, one has to hold onto any shred of optimism he can find... Yes, I'm one of life's "ultimate losers," everyone knows that guy who just disappeared, he's on zero social media, you can't find him but the irony is, he's just be… | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 06:02 AM |
| 2 | What can a loser when it comes to girls do, to change it?You don't need status, career, money... the "greatness" thing is a lie and destructive. It's not one-size-fits-all, either. | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Women like when you have hoesIf he knows he's likely going to have those problems in the longterm anyway, wouldn't it be better to keep trying as it is? I mean, let's say his issues are stubborn. And so now he's 30 with the same problems. And then 35. And so on. Some of us will have serious problems indefinitely, perhaps for life. Does it mean all such guys should just remain virgins or "pay escorts" until problems are resolved? Come on now... There are autistic guys in their 30s who aren't able to have a career. Should the… | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 05:45 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?Well, I thought I've described myself pretty well? | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?Fair enough, then. | /r/seduction | 08/08/20 05:30 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?You are quick to point out that I just don't get it, I haven't lived it, I'm not capable of understanding it because i'm not in the shoes, but what you've forgotten is that you aren't the totality of autism. By your own admission, you are living a sheltered life. You expose yourself to no risk. You take no time to understand people. You don't even try to move outside of your comfort zone. The fact is, that it's nothing to do with autism, because it's your choice to do that. You're missing the fa… | /r/seduction | 06/08/20 05:47 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?If you have no confidence and nothing going for you then theres more work involved. However it can be done So... how's your ability in "mentorship"? You may have interested client... | /r/seduction | 06/08/20 05:02 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.I'm not precisely sure what you're trying to say there, man. I understand much of it, but maybe not the whole. What I've said was, a number of chicks showed interest and I was only interested in one of them. In fact, now that I think about it, I would put that number at about 7 women who showed interest... so I guess it looks even worse. Are you trying to suggest my lack of interest back then, was because I was still a "mental calculator" or relying on learned rules? If so, I'm going to say that… | /r/seduction | 06/08/20 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?The way you make such a value judgement of autistic people is very telling. Spend less time making judgements of other people and maybe you'll feel less judged. You misunderstand, I'm not making any value judgments. It's mostly normal/NT folks that make those, within this context. I don't want to be someone that "normal folks" ridicule, I think you would only say the same for yourself. Or perhaps you could look at it this way. Autistic person (anyone, but in this case, myself) does not want to b… | /r/seduction | 04/08/20 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.Some good points, but I was also hoping you would address what's going on with other blackpillers and how many "points" do they actually have. Is Blackpill just another bunch of angry literalists (mostly autistic) similar to the whole "incel" thing? Could they also have "socially normal" guys with less-fortunate traits in other ways, among their ranks? I've seen some extremely vocal guys around who claim to have crappy looks, claim they can't improve looks or "they're in good shape but their fac… | /r/seduction | 04/08/20 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.I've never been with someone I explicitly didn't like. They all had some merit and shone in some way to me in the moment. Most have been a thing of the moment, someone I just meet and then stuff just clicks. And in three notable cases, I was the one who rejected the girl or did nothing due to insecurity, due to "not feeling good enough". These are the only experiences I regret, and the only ones I'd sell my soul to go back and fix them. In this case, then, is it possible that you may have "lower… | /r/seduction | 04/08/20 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.My biggest fear is not rejection or loneliness. It's to regress into a blackpiller. I saw this one guy's comments in a thread where you called him out as a Blackpiller... he wrote all this stuff about "what women require from men" and I had a LOT of the bad traits he listed there. He said a guy can't have thin wrists, he can't be below 5'9" (I'm on the cusp), can't be autistic, can't be losing his hair (unless he has the head shape of Jason Statham; I'm losing my hair but have the wrong head for… | /r/seduction | 03/08/20 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.I'm being honest that I set a limited time to reply on Reddit on this account per night, and I'm past that now. So I can only offer this bit, which may not be optimistic, but there it is. It seems like you have many of the qualities that would not be considered desirable to women, going by what you wrote there yourself. It would be hard to believe that you've had success if you're honest about that. Forgive a bit more of the skepticism, but how many times have you been with someone you were also… | /r/seduction | 03/08/20 05:17 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.You don't even need that second part if you're just looking for a lay. To just not be bitter and envious to this high degree... maybe could allow a chance in this arena. I'm still stuck on how life made me the opposite of Shad and 95% of all women act like princesses these days (irrespective of any factor, I keep finding, too... that's the slap in the face)... it's like how in Rod's name could I ever have a chance. Maybe if I stopped being so bitter, I'd have a faint glimmer of a chance. But onl… | /r/seduction | 03/08/20 04:58 AM |
| 1 | Highly attractive Introverted awkward female. I suck at dating. Need advice 29 FWill leave this here for you, from this same thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/i26aap/highly_attractive_introverted_awkward_female_i/g04n9q8/ It's like I said, there is only ONE problem here, with all of these posts. It's that they want the "perfect guy that all my girlfriends get" or whatever claptrap that is. They want that Shad they feel entitled to, and this type of woman actively disdains anyone who isn't like that. They're the type that make "dating" hell, for you and me,… | /r/seduction | 03/08/20 04:43 AM |
| -1 | Highly attractive Introverted awkward female. I suck at dating. Need advice 29 FJust curious, man. but why even reply to this post? Have you seen the version of this post on social media and your local OKC dating site? Kinda tends to leave everyone out, on purpose, doesn't it? You're aware of what's written behind the lines there. Yes I hate to resort to explanations simply based on a difference in gender, but in this case, it's too applicable. Over-selectivity is likely behind posts as these. Have you any clue as to the Checklist that is implied here, the kind of distortio… | /r/seduction | 02/08/20 06:34 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.If your comment wasn't just a biscuit, well I can theoretically provide "some type of good time" but absent will be any implication that I'm a "worthy guy, above the others vying for your attention." That's the thing autistic guys can't really give, for there's always going to be a lack of competition when it comes to social mores. Just what happens with this "cognitive set-up" and it's hard to fake it. They don't get to conform, so to speak, it's not even a choice. What can be done? My time is … | /r/seduction | 02/08/20 05:59 AM |
| 2 | Don’t blow your opportunities.Shad doesn't fail constantly with women, and that's for real. Ever been to a college campus? If so, you know the type I'm talking about. But I'll grant you this, it's true that Most Normal Men still fail all the time, but when you compare that to "Non-normal men" we're usually talking about a sharp divide there, bruh. A place where failure is the only thing that can be expected, you see. Hard to want to seek out more of that reality, do you understand? Or even to begin exploring the game, when y… | /r/seduction | 02/08/20 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.Explain to me how you were blackpilled. In theory "PUA books" would point away from the whole "looks and status will matter the most" stuff. I understand the blackpill advocates for highly objective measures and cynicism ruling game ("all women are like that") with virtually no real exceptions. PUA is more about pushing limits and approaching and analysis-based improvement. Unless I understand this wrong, in which case please correct me. If you are autistic for real (I'm taking your word for it,… | /r/seduction | 02/08/20 05:32 AM |
| 1 | Don’t blow your opportunities.Take me out, make me a nice dinner, show me a good time, tell me about yourself and what you do. These are all the things an autistic guy cannot do. So what's your advice for guys like that? "What do you do" the actual answer is I'm lesser-abled and cannot do much because of the anxiety tied to this worthless condition I have, so I can't even do that part of it. That answer would not be acceptable to them. | /r/seduction | 01/08/20 05:54 AM |
| 2 | Don’t blow your opportunities.While I understand because I have some fucking empathy, let's analyze that: normal people get rejected all the time, so why does that never happen to them? Explained above. This is about a difference in social-skills, with "normal people" having normal social skills, even if they get rejected, it will not cause harm. It can cause disproportionate harm if the guy is awkward, though. | /r/seduction | 01/08/20 05:51 AM |
| 3 | Don’t blow your opportunities.Um, it could also be true. Suppose you're an awkward guy who has to be awkward (if any given guy is on the spectrum, I'm afraid this is just going to be "who you are" without much likelihood of fixing it.) Guys on the spectrum have to pull the bull by the horns. These guys are not naturally inviting; women will not approach or show interest. But when they take initiative, they are also the ones most likely to be branded as creepy and whatnot. | /r/seduction | 01/08/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?If she perceives you as a loser then she's not fucking you. Other men can perceive you as a loser but she cannot if you wish to attract her. Then "to be a loser" but skew their perception away from that. Is possible? | /r/seduction | 01/08/20 05:39 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?People don't stop having sex at 35. Its called your dirty thirties for a reason. You need to abandon your obsession with sex and work on yourself. Get a job, a hobby, and go out and do things. Anything is more healthy than being inert. Social anxiety, learning challenges related to autism and ADD, and so on, does not equate to a 40+ hr per week public job (which usually requires the social skills and overall stability, that I lack.) Yes there are more disabled folks than me in the workforce, peo… | /r/seduction | 01/08/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?Sorry it took a while to get back to this. Start by accepting the truth, warts and all. Which means accepting the BAD with the GOOD. Which does exist. Then look to do something constructive each day. Because it's not about grand changes, it's about consistently making small amendments. One year of making subtle positive changes is beyond profound. Well at least I have acquired a habit of meditation in the last 2+ months, which appears to be a "slow and steady" help but not the panacea I expected… | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 06:34 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?Eh, some of your post is a bit contradictory, but granted I'm sure you didn't want to take time to make edits/corrections; I myself can be the same way. For awhile I only noticed the people that had it easy, but as I've been working on myself I have been noticing that more people than we are aware of have it pretty hard. With this, just as a thought experiment, I often wonder if the Shads we see all around--they're the tall masculine guys always with a chick on their arm, they're the ones who ge… | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 06:11 AM |
| 2 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?Hey man, it was 6 days ago now, but if you're okay coming back to this, let me know what you had in mind there! | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?Erm, would be it okay to ask for some details of these guys who improved? | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?The one thing I can't cut myself off from is reality, and reality is more often than not negative. Define the "negative" aspects of reality you're dealing with. In the context of game, I imagine what you mean is the competitive aspects, which may lead to cynicism, envy, and bitterness, in that order. Now the "brutality of competition" is just a fact, but if you see yourself in the subsequent description--the "reaction to it"--it means you have much work to do. You may not be able change the comp… | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?I used to frequent subs like Virgin, Incelswithouthate , ForeverAlone,etc and thought I was pathetic and am going to be a virgin forever. Then I started self improvement and cut of all these kinds of things from my life . Yes, this is what I meant. I suppose we could phrase it like this: did cutting out the negative/depressive media which essentially reinforced your own doubts, help in any way with your Game? Whether that be indirect, from motivating you to self-improve, or the more direct "less… | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone benefited from Quitting Pessismism?These days I'm drug free, love to exercise and maintain a pure diet. I prioritize my health and wellness and live a self-improvement lifestyle. I'm glad to hear this kind of thing helps in your case. I will admit I still have some of those damaging behaviors you mention, but I've also taken up meditation, and it's intriguing at least. I suppose the real question is this, though: this 'purging of negativity,' has it helped to relieve fear of rejection? Has it helped your game in any objective way… | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 05:38 AM |
| 1 | The more attractive the girl, the less she’ll care about how attractive you arethey want to sleep with men who can make them feel attracted, connected, and feminine. Another way of explaining that is, they want guys who know the "right things to say," guys who act interested in their own endeavors even if they aren't truly interested, guys who are fixated on conventional or "mainstream" values, guys who are socially-connected. Basically, all things that guys with social limitations or mild autism, don't have... I don't buy that ALL women think 90% of men are unattractive. … | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 05:25 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?So I was last here 6 days ago. (Forgive me if I'm very lagged/inconsistent, I pushed myself to limit time on this account because I've dealt with a lot of negativity from it before, etc.) and they lowkey know once we get sex we leave because girls are no longer socialized and taught how to keep a guy. If I may then ask, what are they being taught these days? I've inferred that whatever is being "commonly taught", traits like humility and open-mindedness (a willingness to decide for oneself, as o… | /r/seduction | 20/07/20 05:13 AM |
| 1 | From pitiable “incel” to success with high quality women. My story + 5 suggestions for others. [Long post]4) Be busy. You have lots of constructive stuff you need to attend to in your life: work (and this could be its own long post about having stability), hobbies, volunteering at animal shelter, projects, family time, etc etc. That means that time you dedicate to her is valuable which reinforces your self-worth and makes her feel special. And when you’re with her, by the way, you’re 100% focused on her. What if you're autistic and can't do most of this stuff, can't have a career (since you're lesse… | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Is it really possible to succeed with women if you’re not attractive?Become their friend. That has to be another joke right there | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 05:14 AM |
| 2 | The more attractive the girl, the less she’ll care about how attractive you areYou hella cool! | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 05:12 AM |
| 1 | The more attractive the girl, the less she’ll care about how attractive you areYou say a lack of understanding. But does this comment right here, show lack of understanding: The dating ‘marketplace’ is full of men who want sex, and a lower number of women who want sex and who tend to think 90% of said men are unattractive. This isn’t an opinion; it’s a statistical reality. It’s not equal and simple. You need to have very high value or some kind of vigorous strategy... If you propose sex with even someone you get along with, there is a very high chance that they will not on… | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 05:07 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?Just out of curiosity, what do you think of this: The dating ‘marketplace’ is full of men who want sex, and a lower number of women who want sex and who tend to think 90% of said men are unattractive. This isn’t an opinion; it’s a statistical reality. It’s not equal and simple. It’s not like wanting to play a sport, and then just stumbling upon leagues of other people who like playing that sport. You need to have very high value or some kind of vigorous strategy. You can’t just walk around askin… | /r/seduction | 13/07/20 04:35 AM |
| 1 | You Will Get Nowhere If You Only Work On Game Without Working On Social CalibrationsThe most interesting thing here is that you're first point is 100% right. It is more about actual spoken language. Everyone likes to say autism is a disorder of "the wrong body language" or "missing body language signals in the other person." I say that's half-bollocks. Autism is more and more being seen as a deficit in language. It's a deficit in listening to others (auditory processing delays), a deficit in interpreting (difficulty with pragmatics), even a deficit in reading comprehension. Ver… | /r/seduction | 11/07/20 04:27 AM |
| 3 | You Will Get Nowhere If You Only Work On Game Without Working On Social CalibrationsAspergers or Autism. They seemingly do all the right things: high paying career, What if you're an autistic guy who can't have a high-paying career, is it over then? Dude don't speak about things you don't know about. Many if not most autistic guys are either in shit jobs or have no job. Don't be taking away our hopes, mate. | /r/seduction | 08/07/20 06:48 AM |
| 1 | How would you like to be propositioned by a woman?Does the guy have to be 6 foot tall+ and modelesque? If not (genuinely) then go for it. But if so, you don't have my respect and I can't support you in this endeavor. | /r/seduction | 08/07/20 06:46 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?What a thorough reply. And you make things very clear this time--so, props. Social wits are mandatory. It's simply unavoidable, even introverts need to be able to recognize social cues despite not partaking. Define social wits, then. I don't need a novel, but just what the concept means to you. Did you have to learn or was it more inherent, for you? Presently yes you have zero ability to attract them but you need to start to do the work to do it. However you have a inner monologue that tells you… | /r/seduction | 08/07/20 05:18 AM |
| 1 | What to actually do if you have a "type" but women of that background are not receptive to men like you.I mean more like this story, about a kid who was so upset that girls didn't like him and blamed it all on them that it took him to an extreme where he ended up killing people. Granted, these are really extreme cases but if you're not mentally in a good place then remaining in victim mode can lead you somewhere dark. Yes, I knew you were going to link to that infamous story. Maybe this is a tangent, but every time this is brought up, I like to say: "But what could he have done better, to find wom… | /r/seduction | 05/07/20 05:39 AM |
| 1 | Learning game when I have ASD (Austism Spectrum Disorder)?Well you give a very thorough reply but it is undercut somewhat by what you said below in this thread, that you're tall and good-looking. Such things will allow you to "get women" anyway even as you admit it's not a common/easy thing. I'm 5'9" in height, naturally thin-boned (I cannot make my arms look manly, no matter what, in other words), and average-looking. I used to be what they call an "interesting/good-looking guy" but now because of aging, it's no longer the case. Now I'm average at bes… | /r/seduction | 05/07/20 05:28 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?Well you offer a lot of detail but I feel our wires got crossed in some places. I'm very literalist and you have me confused on some things; you have to be more specific about what you're talking about, going forward, but no disrespect. Now we started off as talking about attractive women often found in yoga pants (which I called, half-seriously, "yuppies" because it's a stereotype.) I was saying if you are able to "get" this type of chick, probably you're a guy with relatively "high status" bec… | /r/seduction | 05/07/20 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsInteresting. I checked your profile if you don't mind. You seem to post in Schizoid (which is similar to Asperger's in some ways, and may be comorbid in some cases.) And of course you say here you have mild Asperger's also. May I ask, what--to you--is classic Schizoid behavior regarding the pursuit of social and/or romantic encounter? For me all these things are tied together by a similar problem. I literally detest getting involved in environments where I must accept being judged or otherwise r… | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:56 AM |
| 1 | Learning game when I have ASD (Austism Spectrum Disorder)?Had any success along the way, though? For Christ's sake dude, don't tell me it's just this harsh out there. | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:46 AM |
| 2 | What to actually do if you have a "type" but women of that background are not receptive to men like you.Victim mentality is dangerous mainly because you stop taking responsibility for your life and focus too much on external things that are affecting you. In that case I've had this to a "significant degree" for well over 10 years. I think it's done so much damage, that the inaction and lack of responsibility added up and now I'm permanently screwed; will probably be virgin for life. I'm late 30s now dude, hate to say it, but I ain't gonna lie. The worst cases of victim mentality is when it turns i… | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:42 AM |
| 1 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsAre you honest and forthright on this? That said, I do believe personality is very important... but I'm lacking in it, and a lot of that comes from the social deficiency. I'm painfully shy, introverted, as well as self-loathing and insecure. The most important thing for me, when I'm out and about, is to minimize social interaction as much as possible and avoidance is the key word... | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:38 AM |
| 1 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsDon't know about that, brother. You may mean well. But look at what the women in r/dating or r/relationships say about what they need to be attracted, and come back to me. Or read even some of the less extreme posts in r/femaledatingstrategy and come back to me. And then tell me I don't need to be a normal guy climbing the career and social ladder on par with the rest in my age group, to have any chance. You won't be able to do so, with a straight face, methinks. | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:34 AM |
| 1 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsThey were smart, funny and confident. Obviously no one here is saying great credentials, great jobs, and money/status don't work in the absence of looks. If you told me one of these guys lacked a college degree and/or lacked a "mature grown-up job", and wasn't socially smooth, then I'll perk up. I have autism and have virtually none of these advantages, you see. | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:29 AM |
| 1 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsConfidence is key in my experience. Not sure if "confidence" is even his trick; if his confidence was formed on being an attractive tall guy that a model says "you're hot" to his face, it's not necessarily actionable confidence then. This guy is unaware of his own advantage. If he has confidence because he's tall and attractive, it's not a perk that someone without those advantages can have. I'd want to listen to an average-looking guy who's autistic or something and gained confidence. Now THAT … | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:26 AM |
| 1 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughts"Be a high value person" as in status, career, money? No thanks sir, and the reason I say "no thanks" is because it cannot be me, I'm autistic and lesser-abled and not going to lie about that. If you mean high-value in other ways, then please describe, I'll listen. | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:23 AM |
| 2 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsBut you have all these guys here pointing out how you are--according to what you yourself said, both tall (6'0") and good-looking. You also clearly said multiple women told you you're hot, directly to your face. How much stock should I take in your words, given these facts? But when you’re enjoying the life you have, no matter where you are, that’s probably where my own confidence comes from. Might be true in some ways, but the tall good-looking guy gets to be himself and benefit from that with … | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:20 AM |
| 2 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsBut what if you're the "authentic self" and you still get rejected mercilessly? It could rob you of all the self-esteem you ever had. What to do bruh | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:16 AM |
| 1 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsNor do they want someone insecure and totally passive that they can’t manage their own life. That’s anyone. Does that fact change what you would say to me--the autistic loser who can't do shit in life, and also in his 30s? Maybe the other guy you are debating with is right. You just aren't honest enough here. | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 06:13 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?I operate under the existing rules not what I'd like them to be. You're not wrong but for me I just shrug. Well then do you have to be 'symmetrical' to get these chicks? Do you also compete ruthlessly (the "next guy" is your enemy, you have to "be better" than), do you show-off with your presentation, do you exclude "low value" human beings, and pretend you are elitist with 'great credentials' and whatnot? If so, you don't get my respect. You'd only be contributing to the same problem that creat… | /r/seduction | 02/07/20 05:53 AM |
| 2 | If every girl I talk to or am interested in has a BF am I doing something wrong?How the heck could ADHD ever be an advantage in this game? The overlap with autistic spectrum disorder, in all ways (both rates of co-occurence, and symptoms themselves) is so marked that if you look at ADHD communities you find the whole "incel" thing is nearly as bad as it is in autistic communities. ADHD robs the capacity to focus and execute tasks, it distorts the sense of life priority (ADHD wants the moment, it hates plans and long steps/progression), it typically even impairs social skill… | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 05:17 AM |
| 18 | Live with 2 attractive bartenders, here are my thoughtsI know a guy that’s literally 5 ft nothing, works retail, and has a beautiful blonde wife. How? It’s not all about looks, for those of you wondering. There are things that naturally attract people to one another and some of those things can be stacked against one another. Why’d she choose him? He made her feel loved without any games. I'll say it's hard to believe. But in any case, where's the silver-lining for an autistic loser like me? I'm 5'9" in height so I'm at least "not short" but I don't… | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 05:12 AM |
| 0 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?Don't try this on high-value guys. Why not look for autistic or shy guys? They're underrated in my experience. | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 05:01 AM |
| 1 | What do guys like a lot when being seduced by a woman?She already had me with her yoga pants. This may sound a bit strange, but give me a chance to swing a cat around, if you will? If they wear yoga pants, there's a good chance the chick is a Yuppie. They're the high achievers who need to be perfect in everything, they work out constantly and if you're a guy you have to be perfect "just like them," to have any chance. If you're able to get that type, what can I say, I envy you, those women are attractive... ain't gonna lie. But the values they repr… | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 05:00 AM |
| 1 | Learning game when I have ASD (Austism Spectrum Disorder)?A lot of the courses are for intelligent successful people that have struggles socially. LOL, you just described everyone but autistic guys. Even some of the best and brightest tend to drop out of college at high rates and some of them can't even hold onto basic, banal jobs. If I want to think about intelligent successful guys who may be awkward, I'm thinking Normal (NT) guys who have introversion. Don't paint autistic people as successful geniuses who get through college without studying; peopl… | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 04:52 AM |
| 3 | Learning game when I have ASD (Austism Spectrum Disorder)?1) This is the number 1 rule of game. There are no excuses for hitting on that hot chick in those nice gym shorts. You could be in a wheelchair, have no limbs, have a speech impediment, be short and still get girls. If you don't believe me watch this simple pickup video where they pick up girls in wheel chairs ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUZuNPv-FTY ). As far as autism goes, RSD tyler had autism (not sure what type) and wasn't able to read social cues; he's now a social savant. (Note: I'm … | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 04:40 AM |
| 1 | I (21F) want to start approaching men, to what kind of places should I go?Well the thing is, many guys don't want anything serious. I don't want anything serious, for example. | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 04:25 AM |
| 2 | What to actually do if you have a "type" but women of that background are not receptive to men like you.Thanks for the advice man, I think it is sound, actually. Having a victim mentality is very dangerous, if unchecked it can fuck you up. I wanted to ask about this, though. In what way is victim mentality dangerous? And if you know any guy in your real life who has victim mentality, could you describe the way it affects them and their outlook on women, etc? | /r/seduction | 30/06/20 04:16 AM |
| 0 | I (21F) want to start approaching men, to what kind of places should I go?Not saying you shouldn't approach, but what's your deal? Just saying the "high value guys" I assume you want, they're usually unavailable. You should talk to autistic guys, in my opinion. They're highly underrated | /r/seduction | 28/06/20 05:21 AM |
| 1 | What to actually do if you have a "type" but women of that background are not receptive to men like you.Are you for real on that, bruh? | /r/seduction | 28/06/20 04:54 AM |
| 1 | Life lessons I learned going from sexless loser to sleeping with over 50 different women.You say that, which is interesting, but I notice you're also the same woman who wrote this: Women fall in love with a man of integrity. We don’t want an adult son. We are attracted to many of these intelligent traits that you wrote above because we are wired to care for children. And children are the future so we want the highest evolved qualities in our children also. This is how we’re wired. Men are wired to conquer and tackle challenges. Very different intent. Did you read my prior comment, i… | /r/seduction | 28/06/20 04:27 AM |
| 0 | Cold approach from a girl's perspectiveDo you have any advice for autistic or low-value awkward guys, especially if we can't hit the benchmark for "typical guy going places in life"? Will such guys always get rejected no matter what until they get "teh steady career"... or can they succeed on occasion, using their difference as an item of novelty? | /r/seduction | 26/06/20 05:31 AM |
| 3 | Life lessons I learned going from sexless loser to sleeping with over 50 different women.I still think if a guy is autistic and cannot have a career, he's dependent on the state or someone else, etc, it doesn't mean he can't find good woman or at least have fling, or something. How would you prove me wrong? Telling me guys that still live at home with no job will not do well with women... you don't own the answer to this. Your answer is not The Only Truth. I don't care how many studies, statistics, Jordan Peterson quotes you can provide in defense of your premise, it won't change my… | /r/seduction | 26/06/20 05:17 AM |
| 2 | What to actually do if you have a "type" but women of that background are not receptive to men like you.That’s not true, I’m Latin and I’ve known tons of girls who have slept with middle eastern people. But have you known any Latin girls or really, "any girls" who have been with autistic low-value people (in my case, Caucasian, average looks, 5'9" height) ? I've just about lost all hope. I'm late 30s and still have no experience. I just wish I could find someone who actually cared but most women... just don't care about anyone else. They only want winner. To them, seeing a struggling awkward guy i… | /r/seduction | 26/06/20 05:06 AM |
| 1 | My first experience getting seduced as a man, eye-fuckingCouldn't it also just be they like the attention or perhaps, validation? | /r/seduction | 25/06/20 04:35 AM |
| 1 | My first experience getting seduced as a man, eye-fuckingSo then if I told you I'm an autistic guy who tends to be awkward, you'd say these women who gave me attention are just doing it for practice? If your theory is that the persona is what matters most, then of course since I'm on the spectrum it follows that I have weak unattractive persona. But couldn't it also be that they liked my looks enough that they didn't mind the tense/rigid body language and modest dress? | /r/seduction | 25/06/20 04:31 AM |
| 1 | My first experience getting seduced as a man, eye-fuckingAre there any telltale signs of attention/validation seeking though, to be seen on the point of performance? "greater differential in looks" points toward it, or..? I've had a few times where I found the woman eyeing me up and down, and this woman is like some conventional attractive type, who likely would never be interested in someone like me. I wonder about that... | /r/seduction | 24/06/20 05:17 AM |
| 2 | My first experience getting seduced as a man, eye-fuckingbut i wont fall for that shit anymore lol. What's the use, then... is that your deal? Just don't bother to reciprocate in those rare few times when gril gives you attention? And waste good opportunities? That's demotivating. Any any better ideas ? | /r/seduction | 24/06/20 05:04 AM |
| 2 | My first experience getting seduced as a man, eye-fuckingShe's indicating she wants you to seduce her. How do you know? Couldn't she just be trolling for attention, instead? Not to say you're wrong, just had to be devil's advocate ! | /r/seduction | 24/06/20 05:02 AM |
| 1 | Tinder time wastersWhat I'd be looking for--in all honesty--is the decent (self-aware, down-to-earth, polite) woman who isn't high-achieving or successful. Does that exist.. and can it be found on OLD sites? I doubt that high-achieving types would be interested in one like me, given I'm somewhat lesser-abled (autistic) but then what do I know. I had someone once tell me high achievers/career women may be more interested in autistic types like me, given they already have their own status and don't need a guy to "lo… | /r/seduction | 24/06/20 04:50 AM |
| 1 | I don’t think it takes that long to get good at game/seductionthanks man, i needed that. Just wish I could find something to keep me level-headed all the time... it's a shame they don't bottle it | /r/seduction | 24/06/20 04:46 AM |
| 1 | I don’t think it takes that long to get good at game/seductionI'm sure a socially awkward loser guy could occasionally get lucky in his first 10-100 approaches, though? Pray tell it's not just that merciless out there... | /r/seduction | 23/06/20 04:27 AM |
| 1 | I don’t think it takes that long to get good at game/seductionDo you support such things, then? Cuz you can't really blame a guy. It's like... what else are us guys supposed to do. I guess "be great looking" or have a fat wallet will pay dividends with minimal effort but vast majority of guys will have neither one. (The first and even the second, are greatly dependent on luck.) The other thing guys can do is putz around on dating sites and lose every time for not being "high value." This is just demoralizing and a waste. The last option is really just to a… | /r/seduction | 23/06/20 04:24 AM |
| 1 | I don’t think it takes that long to get good at game/seductionI'm an autistic guy and most people (regardless of gender) are insufferable to me, I hate all the bullshit. So I don't do social circle or status game. What approach should I use to meet women, then? I always think the fact that I'm an autistic guy with no social circle makes me automatically strange/creepy to all women--but maybe I ought to rethink that? | /r/seduction | 23/06/20 04:17 AM |
| 1 | I don’t think it takes that long to get good at game/seductionBut do you need a decent job to find woman, in the first place? I'm autistic and can't have a career, for example. What am I supposed to think bruh | /r/seduction | 23/06/20 04:14 AM |
| 0 | Tinder time wastersWell if you've met some like that, you must be Shad or got money, or something | /r/seduction | 23/06/20 04:07 AM |
| 1 | Tinder time wastersFocus on girls who are actually trying to meet up. Hate to be reductionist about it, but what girl on Tinder is trying to meet up? Women have endless options in real-life the same way they do online... there would no need to meet up from online, unless this woman is terribly maladjusted (extremely high standards or something) and therefore not worth meeting anyway. Let me put it this way: Dude have you ever met any "decent" woman from Tinder or other dating site? By that I mean down to earth, no… | /r/seduction | 23/06/20 04:01 AM |
| 1 | Top 10% guys take everything; these guys ruined it for youI hope you're forthright on this. I wrote this thread 2 months ago and somehow you just found it today and decided to reply? I have had things like that happen before--sometimes legit, other times suspicious because it's a common tactic of trolls who will follow a specific account, etc. I like your message though. I just hope you're not some ulterior motivation | /r/seduction | 22/06/20 05:06 AM |
| 1 | NEEDY/Creepy vibe with GIRLS?Fair enough, but your point would be better served if you didn't imply much of the reason these "less attractive guys" got women was because they had strong employment/money, etc. It wouldn't be far-fetched to say your message is another one of these, "Guys who lack the looks, can get chicks if they compensate with money" things. Not gonna say there ain't some truth in it, but it's not the kind of anecdote I hoped to see, personally. | /r/seduction | 22/06/20 04:58 AM |
| 3 | NEEDY/Creepy vibe with GIRLS?Rock-bottom loser guys could still find woman though, if only they would stop the self-loathing, envy and blame. (And I'm honestly saying that devoid of sarcasm) | /r/seduction | 20/06/20 05:05 AM |
| -4 | NEEDY/Creepy vibe with GIRLS?Erm, but how many physically unattractive guys--confident or not--have you known who did well? (Would almost want to say "gotcha" there, but it would be immature, even for me) | /r/seduction | 20/06/20 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaIf you're for real, then you get some props. But then, what's your secret? Do you have high social status? | /r/seduction | 15/06/20 05:33 AM |
| 1 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceFair enough. Now the "better life" thing is on me of course, but as for now and the foreseeable future, I won't be having one. I'll only be having a low and pathetic life, but it's not like that fact makes my desire go away, right I guess my question then is, how would I spin inquiries of "what do you do" or deflect the kinds of things women will do/look for, to assess a guy's status. If we take online dating, for instance... if a guy chooses to omit his work and income categories--even if there… | /r/seduction | 15/06/20 05:29 AM |
| 1 | Late 30s guys who don't want to become "that guy".. or, earnest non-cynical advice pleaseFair enough. But first I must ask, did you actually read my post? I'm in a very low and pathetic situation, to put it mildly. To your question now, am I taking any form of action to meet girls? The answer is mostly a hard "no." Mostly no as in, I do not take any action to meet women in real life and pretty much never have done so... I used to get IOIs, used to be a half-decent looking guy who attracted a bit of attention here and there, although now I'm older and my looks have declined a bit. At… | /r/seduction | 15/06/20 05:22 AM |
| 1 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?And some of them are decent women who would be thrilled with an autistic/awkward guy, past 30 years old, who has only a few things to offer but mostly can't direct his own life... correct? | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:37 AM |
| 1 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceAutistic guys who can't pull their weight in life... can these guys find good woman, though? Everyone seems to suggest a guy like that is a loser and women don't want loser, for any reason. Typical comments in this place goes like, "status and money are the most important things" | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:32 AM |
| 0 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceOnce again you do not need money or good career to find decent woman. How many times do I have to say it? | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:29 AM |
| 1 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceI always thought that if a guy can only offer that one thing, he can still find woman, though? I'm autistic and don't function too well, not young either. Someone here once said "they don't want you, because you can only offer yourself" but I disagree. Isn't autistic guy with few prospects, still attractive? | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:28 AM |
| 2 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceDoes it work for you, though? Seriously | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:26 AM |
| 1 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceYeah but for a guy to have value, he doesn't need "high social status" or "a good job" or "good money" though. | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:26 AM |
| 1 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceI thought the OP's post was saying "social status, career, money" and so on. But suppose a guy is 30+, autistic, and doesn't have any of those things? | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:20 AM |
| 1 | If all you have to offer is sex to a woman you have no chanceBut the OP's post said you need to "keep up with the next guy" regarding your career, education, social circle, and so on, did he not? You say a guy does not need all that? For real? (Let's say, I hope, for my sake, that your message is true) | /r/seduction | 13/06/20 05:19 AM |
| 1 | Late 30s guys who don't want to become "that guy".. or, earnest non-cynical advice pleaseWell, do you have advice besides stability and money? I see you bigly support those things but not every guy can have that, and some of us don't have any of it. I'm looking for other angles to take even if odds will be less | /r/seduction | 11/06/20 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Late 30s guys who don't want to become "that guy".. or, earnest non-cynical advice pleaseYour feeling of depression/frustration is probably less causally connected to your issues with women than you think. So would you prefer to think of it as "status anxiety" or factually low status, then, and that's why all these women online stop talking (because they can see the signs of that) ? If that's the case, for me, such an angle is far less healthy for me to believe. It's not "inspiring because I know I can level up" it's very deflating, puts women in a bad light (as materialists), and i… | /r/seduction | 11/06/20 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Late 30s guys who don't want to become "that guy".. or, earnest non-cynical advice pleaseHow you will get women, though, if you don't try? | /r/seduction | 11/06/20 04:35 AM |
| 1 | My first cold approach today!Most women say they don't want to be approached, though | /r/seduction | 08/06/20 05:45 AM |
| 2 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaI should correct this to say that the first part of your comment was very deflating; the second part is fair enough I guess. I suspect that you may never learn why there is so much bitterness and frustration among men about this until you ask "average" or "unexceptional" guys about their online experience. And in fact I wouldn't just keep it about the online stuff (which you may have guessed, I think is demoralizing for most men) I think all of this stuff is just an absolute bitch for those guys… | /r/seduction | 08/06/20 05:42 AM |
| 1 | How to deal with being a loser?Yes it makes a lot of sense, and thanks for explaining it all. If that's your take on it, though... I hope not to find you posting on RP or writing stuff that contradicts what you've said. I tend to agree with you, but also echo the thought that this stuff is really hard work. This "become your own man; stop caring what others think" stuff. But now, that leads into another question. The question I would have in this case is why this appears to be so easy for other guys; and from my point of view… | /r/seduction | 08/06/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | LEARN SOCIAL SKILLSI'm autistic and have nothing to add to most conversations. Autism is also a learning disability which narrows the range of topics the afflicted person can talk about. So it don't look good, don't it | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 05:13 AM |
| 2 | LEARN SOCIAL SKILLSYou don't need money or status though. I'm 30+ and don't have any of those things; is there an implication that someone like me, has no chance? | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaCould you be autistic/low-status and do the same, though? | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaI see it as being more of a 6+ foot height, 6 figures amazing guy, otherwise they don't have a reason (just being honest) it's wrong, but that's just how it works | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaWell you just made my day a lot worse. | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaHow am I supposed to stop being envious of the rich, tall, "alpha" guys though who dominate every online platform (even if it's not their "fault" per se)? I suppose that envy is also a problem in real life, noticing other guys who seriously lucked out with genetics (height, looks) and also have social swagger. In any case I need to find a solution to this envy and the bitterness that results from it--and so do many, many other guys. In fact I wish THIS particular issue was discussed far more fre… | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 05:05 AM |
| 0 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaMaybe it's because you listed a damn good job or maybe you're 6 foot+ height..? Life works on cynicism y'know Certainly a 5'9", average looking autistic guy like me, who has every disadvantage in the book, satisfies NO cynical requirements. Ain't finding a reason to keep trying, I know they're not going to be interested | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 04:59 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaBut the guys above say you need to be rich or otherwise pretend to be rich by showing yourself "traveling; have pics of attractive women around you; skydiving; jet-skiing." What's a guy who doesn't have a life to do? Especially if you're a loser. I'm autistic guy and cannot do much in life. All I'm seeing here, it's making me very upset... I just can't have any of these things. I have massive disadvantages in life, can't "pretend to be rich/outgoing" nor provide a stable life. How am I supposed … | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 04:57 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaSuppose you're autistic guy and cannot have cool lifestyle. What then? | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 04:52 AM |
| 1 | Do NOT waste time getting girls on social mediaBut they only want Shad. 6 foot+ lists a good job, "demonstrates bullshit social status" What's an autistic guy to do? Just give up and essentially learn to assume the worst about women? because these guys know, no decent woman will ever want the least thing to do with them? I'm at my wits end, bruh | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 04:51 AM |
| 1 | My first cold approach today!Well do you like being approached? | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 04:22 AM |
| 2 | How to deal with being a loser?Because in reality...the only reality that matters; They haven’t done shit. Sure, but it's that last line that you haven't fully explained. Look I ought to admit I'm dense as shit--with all my brain fog and related issues going on--so if you expect me to have common sense here, I'm afraid I may fail that test. But I'll try and assume your meaning here and go with it I'm assuming you mean that despite "improving status", they haven't gained genuine confidence in themselves, they're still "inauthe… | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 04:21 AM |
| 1 | My first cold approach today!But tell me why should us guys want to keep trying if that's the only thing they hear? And even worse, constant flakes. I've talked to some guys on here who had 20 literal flakes in a row. Twenty! No joke. What's the use of doing anything? "Just be Shad" is the only thing that works really | /r/seduction | 07/06/20 04:12 AM |
| 1 | How many are virgins for life and how do you deal with it?You know who is Shad. The high value guy all women want, and they won't settle for anything less. Dude tell me you're aware of that, otherwise how is it you're here on this sub | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:20 AM |
| 1 | My first cold approach today!Then if you want guys to try this more, stop telling them you have a BF and so on. The only thing I ever hear is that line and the embarrassment I get after that... why should us guys keep trying? And then if it's a good reaction and a number grab, they just flake. Nothing but that happens. And you want to know why most guys won't do this SMH | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:19 AM |
| 1 | How many are virgins for life and how do you deal with it?Any silver-lining for me, though? I'm not the guy you were talking to who left those insults below. I'm the OP. Where's my inspiration. I've just about lost all hope. I'm older, somewhat autistic and can't pull my own weight. | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:16 AM |
| 1 | How many are virgins for life and how do you deal with it?Fair enough. But is there truly nothing in between "zero" and "serious relationship"? Hopefully you won't come back to say that the answer is "escorts." I know there's "sugar" also, but I don't want anything to do with that. I was thinking a guy like me could still find a partner in crime, even if I have a shitty life and low status. I find it hard to think the only good outcome that could be had is a genuine relationship; as if you're implying that "fooling around" is only for guys in their 20s… | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:09 AM |
| 1 | How many are virgins for life and how do you deal with it?Fair enough, but why is it you're not able to use a period and write an actual sentence? I can barely read this. | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:06 AM |
| 1 | How many are virgins for life and how do you deal with it?I do think at least one guy is a ‘mentalcel’. Can you explain what that is. One guy admits to being jealous and does sort of try (with no success) to get girls. How is it he tries, and why isn't it working for him, in your opinion? | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:05 AM |
| 1 | How many are virgins for life and how do you deal with it?Some autistic folks can't work in a public job. It's not usually about intellect in these cases; it's hard to explain this. But dude I'm telling you with the anxiety of my condition, I can't be employed at a normal job anymore. Still don't you think I could relate to women, even if I don't contribute to society in normal ways? | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:04 AM |
| 1 | How many are virgins for life and how do you deal with it?I just want to know, what is it that Shad has, that I don't? And what did Shad ever do to deserve the privilege of attraction; and vice versa. What have I done to deserve virginity for life? All while Shad often coasts on looks and height, maybe a bit of social charm. But not often on "legitimate worth" to be honest. A lot of Shads I've seen are jerks who take everything for granted, not too many are decent human beings. But I'm valuable, I deserve the attention. But instead they want Shad. What… | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 06:00 AM |
| 1 | How to deal with being a loser?Well what I thought I saw with your answer was the typical implication in this place and others... you just used careful veiled-words for it... that being "improve societal standing and you'll stop being a loser. Such improvement requires you do what's expected of you, climb various ladders, such as education, work, income," that's what I thought you had there. And I'm saying it's a good idea, but not something you should base self-esteem on. And then when it comes to women, if you have this att… | /r/seduction | 05/06/20 05:45 AM |
| 1 | How to get a shy guy to introduce himself/make a move?Just one word of wisdom, even if cynical: Just because he's shy doesn't automatically mean they want a serious "LTR" type of arrangement. That's a stereotype; sometimes true, sometimes not. I used to pretend I was some kind of "shy romantic guy" the only thing I proved to myself was I'm the first, but not (at all) the second. I'm an autistic guy, it turned out... for me all the social mores and rituals involved in a relationship are the last thing on my mind, I'm only about the moment, and not a… | /r/seduction | 31/05/20 07:02 AM |
| 1 | Why does RDS Tyler say that it'd be better to look homeless and have dreads for pickup?If you're trying to fuck that night it helps to have a more edgy, less refined persona precisely for the reasons you mentioned. Still works if you're autistic and not particularly tall/attractive, though? ;-) A guy can only hope... | /r/seduction | 31/05/20 06:57 AM |
| 2 | You Can't Force Someone to Like YouI would think one could be an autistic loser who can't pull his own weight, and still find women, though... | /r/seduction | 31/05/20 06:34 AM |
| 0 | You Can't Force Someone to Like YouWhat do you think about this: the reality is that maybe you’re not cut out for this game. Not all males are made out to be men. It’s harsh but you might just not have it in you. Does this mean some guys cannot get women and should not bother with the game, because low-quality genetics is just not desirable? What I mean is, those guys who cannot have good credentials, a good job or good money--and not "tall and attractive" to make up for it--does this mean that such guys should cut their losses a… | /r/seduction | 31/05/20 06:32 AM |
| 1 | How to deal with being a loser?I can't believe you could be so cynical. I see losers and guys who make little money with women (decent women) all the time--for real. These guys are not "strong men" but they still find what they're looking for. You're looking at this the wrong way. | /r/seduction | 31/05/20 06:29 AM |
| -1 | What's it like going after women?Not worth it. That's the most realistic answer, at least in my opinion. I've had limited life experience to be sure, but maybe a dozen times I've talked to guys who "did well" and they told me it is not worth the aggravation. Some of these guys I knew in real life (true story) | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 06:34 AM |
| 1 | The ultimate goal to confidence is not being able to give a fuck. No matter how many rejections you get, no many how times you get turned down you do not let it determine you. Because results comes when you stop giving a fuck and getting outside of your comfort zone.How did it turn out well if you basically confirmed she was just looking for attention (as you had suspected) and/or "to help her get over her ex"? Unless I read you wrong or your comment was poorly worded, it seems like you just confirmed what you thought! Not something I would say is good. Rather, I see it as, it's the kind of thing that makes a guy quite jaded and bitter the more it happens. I'm afraid for every guy who is "not amazing" (most of us), this is the kind of thing that happens hun… | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 06:30 AM |
| 0 | The ultimate goal to confidence is not being able to give a fuck. No matter how many rejections you get, no many how times you get turned down you do not let it determine you. Because results comes when you stop giving a fuck and getting outside of your comfort zone.Well if you got lotsa lays, you had to be very attractive or high-status I'm sure. Those are advantages a lot of us, myself included, don't have and won't be having. What would happen if you take your average looking guy, mildly autistic, no status/money and still somehow "DGAF"? Endless rejection and a lot of embarrassment, I'd imagine Hate to be cynical, but someone had to point this out right? | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 06:27 AM |
| 1 | I need help badly.Today I read that social anxiety may be a result of Low Dopamine. This does not mean you should go out of your way to medicate it with anything and everything. It DOES however make sense for me. I'm extremely inattentive and have the worst social anxiety ever. When I get exercise, or take coffee (or other dopamine-increasing compound), the ability to socialize opens up a little. So, while it hasn't proven anything, there's some anecdotal evidence for it right there. I'm not even sure if the stat… | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 06:20 AM |
| 1 | How To Be An Attractive Man (4 Key Tips)Okay, but what about this: Suppose you're socially-challenged guy, not exactly bright either, not going anywhere in life. I mean, this guy could still find good woman, right? People tell me the 80/20 rule (80% of women only want top 20% of men) is absolutely false. So if that rule is false, I imagine this guy I mention there, has a good chance to find decent woman? | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Guys remember, after quarantine girls are going to be extra hornyOn a lark... Is it possible to get date with those attractive, "lively" type of women you always see jogging around the neighborhood, etc? LOL stated both as a curious observation--literally 90% of the women jogging I see around, are that type--and also because, well, I'd "be interested" you might say Are those women always out of everyone's league, except for high-value Shad? | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 05:45 AM |
| 1 | Guys remember, after quarantine girls are going to be extra hornyI did not say you were wrong, per se. I asked if you dropped the chip on your shoulder or found approaching, daygame, or whatever works better over time... or something else positive you could share. Have you gotten rid of more of the envy/negativity or let it harm you even more? If the latter, perhaps I don't need to hear your answer, in that case, as it will not help me. As a counterpoint: a lot of the more enlightened folks in the world aren't regretting a commitment to celibacy--see the Dala… | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 05:40 AM |
| 1 | Improving yourself as a man (A community project)Well the thing is, it's an unsustainable system. Women (because of gender) having endless choices and men (because of gender) having extremely limited options. Both of these points have many exceptions, but the general rules hold still. Is there anything that could be done now, or in the future, to push toward "slightly greater equality" between genders in this category? | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 05:30 AM |
| 1 | Change this guy's mind, and you winThere are people who are better than you and me in this life. People who in my opinion do not deserve it but nonetheless, they are better than us. Indeed you say the honest thing there. Still, why is it some guy who's 6'5" height, solid looks and grew up in a competitive/social family... all things that come down to luck... is "vastly more deserving of women" than someone like me? What have they done to deserve that privilege? The answer is... not too much. They "got those things" that's most of… | /r/seduction | 24/05/20 05:23 AM |
| 0 | How To Be An Attractive Man (4 Key Tips)But do you need to have a good income to get decent women? I'm not talking about a life partner, I mean simply being able to attract half-decent women within reason. Suppose you're socially-challenged guy, not exactly bright either, not going anywhere in life. I mean, this guy could still find good woman, right? | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 06:41 AM |
| 3 | Improving yourself as a man (A community project)I agree on what you've proposed, the problem (as always) remains that some guys, no matter what, will have drastically low chances to find any woman they're interested in. Guys with social challenges come to mind. You mention the Incel community, I've taken a look before (I've never joined) and it's 95% guys on the spectrum. Some of them say things like this, "since I'm not gifted enough to be in STEM or have good credentials, I have nothing to offer." I mean, while such a guy is bitter, does it… | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Guys remember, after quarantine girls are going to be extra hornyI've been seeing you here in this subreddit for a couple years at least. Have you lost the cynicism/chip on your shoulder about "game being impossible" and "Shad takes all" yet? I'm just looking for a silver-lining even if, in all realism, I have to accept at this point it's over due to inaction (and being a permanent loser.) | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 06:28 AM |
| 1 | People complaining about dating and PUA tactics as manipulative has failed to see the pointHonestly, why would someone even try to take on the responsibility of managing a relationship when they haven't even sorted themselves out? You're at a point where social interaction is challenging. The priority is definitely not to try and ""charm"" women into sex, or to get into a relationship. Some autistic folks cannot sort themselves out, but if you have even a shred of empathy/understanding, you understand that a lack of ability to direct one's own life (and, let's be honest, this includes… | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 05:52 AM |
| 1 | No status, wealth, or exceptional looks? No chance, they sayBut the guy I'm talking about is autistic and a loser. So... | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 05:40 AM |
| 1 | No status, wealth, or exceptional looks? No chance, they sayNo I was asking about an average looking guy with nothing else (this guy is autistic and can't do much in life, and not young either.) People have told me I can still get decent women so long as I put myself out there, though. Hopefully you won't come back to tell me they're lying to me. All throughout the time I've been here, I have outlined these facts: Not young Socially challenged with ADHD Few prospects, no status And they tell me so long as I try, approach women, and so on, I can still fin… | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 05:37 AM |
| 1 | No status, wealth, or exceptional looks? No chance, they sayBut you don't need some of this stuff (status and wealth) if you just want to hook up, though. I mean you can be an autistic loser and find good woman, for short-term reasons (even if you won't get a LTR) | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 05:34 AM |
| 1 | What's helped you?I bet there's a lot of things you are better or you can be better at than anyone else. Well you're wrong. The only thing autism (with ADHD) is, for me, is a curse that took everything away and gave nothing back. | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Guys who were late bloomers, how did you change it around?"I'm autistic" What a lame excuse. Is it really a lame excuse? Ever been to r/Aspergers or other sites where socially awkward men talk about these things? What are you going to tell me, "I see success stories there. These guys are in STEM and married and so on. You could be like that, too!" All you "coaches" know nothing about what social disability really is. It's multi-pronged, most guys on the spectrum also have some learning challenges. Hence, moi. A guy like me has virtually nothing to work… | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 05:21 AM |
| 1 | How do I find FwB as a guy?Well if you're some "coach" selling a product, of course you'll be saying these things and making up stories alongside it. You were probably waiting for some guys to come along, read your comment and ask, "Could it work for me, too?" and then link them to your site. | /r/seduction | 17/05/20 05:17 AM |
| 1 | What's helped you?Looks and height, probably. If not that, I'm assuming you have status or good money. I'm socially challenged and average-looking, so I have none of the above. "Things happen" sure, but not if you're below the curve like me. TL;DR It's not possible to find woman, provided I can't be a functional member of society | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 06:07 AM |
| 1 | What's helped you?What if you lack any of the skills to succeed at all, make money, or even be financially independent? Am on the spectrum, for reference | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 05:56 AM |
| 0 | Guys who were late bloomers, how did you change it around?Well I'm in my 30s and can't direct my own life and have nothing to offer. Much of it because I'm autistic. So how do I attract anyone, then? | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 05:44 AM |
| 0 | Guys who were late bloomers, how did you change it around?The problem is most of the short girls only want 6 feet tall and I typically see 5'2" women with guys who are 6'0" or even taller. You can't win in this game. | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 05:42 AM |
| 0 | How do I find FwB as a guy?Tinder as well as online in general, is only for 6 feet tall and above. Maybe if you're not tall, having a great job and/or well-paid profession is the second avenue. Nothing else works I'm afraid. I don't see why anyone at this point says "online is easy for something casual." Sure if you happen to be in the categories with the highest demand--most of us will not be, it's always been that way. | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 05:38 AM |
| 1 | People complaining about dating and PUA tactics as manipulative has failed to see the pointWell then, honest question: can anything be done for autistic losers who have no chance of success in life? I thought I would add (if you haven't noticed this yourself) autism tends to be involved with extreme sensitivity of sensation and emotion, and rejection tends to be magnified 10x over the norm, for these guys. So I mean, I tend to wonder (unless autistic guy is lucky genius with three Master degrees, a house, and big job) if it's a lost cause for these guys already. You're starting with d… | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 05:21 AM |
| 1 | People complaining about dating and PUA tactics as manipulative has failed to see the pointSome guys need this stuff, because they can't naturally attract with social capacity, nor achievement/money. Let's look at the plight of the autistic guy. The average autistic guy is not social and also has a learning disability, so you could say, "he's not a people person AND he's not going places in life." So, he has to do something else, if he can't rely on wits or success. So this would be someone who really does need all manner of tactics, conscious thinking, much intentional effort and so … | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 05:09 AM |
| 1 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?Yeah but they don't exist. No one wants a guy who doesn't have his life together. No money, no status, etc. I mean, would any decent woman accept that? | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Top 10% guys take everything; these guys ruined it for youAll you did was move the goalposts. You said it's not about looks, sure... but then you said that guy compensated with money. It's the wrong message to send! | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 04:46 AM |
| 1 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?This is not a rant. It is a fact. Read this again: I mean if you're Not Shad, it don't matter where you are, what venue. You're going to be rejected endlessly, flaked on, possibly humiliated and made to feel disposable. It's just how it is. Is that something a guy should sign up for? Is it remotely acceptable that it should be this way? | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 04:45 AM |
| 1 | Below 6 feet tall and average looking. How many say "worth trying" how many say "forget it"?Well if you remember my post from 9 days ago, I'm willing to answer your comment here. First of all, I want to suggest that this post (even if I haven't said so) was more about online game than real-life interaction. There, I'm afraid this is where my points are extremely accurate. You can experiment for me with your girlfriends and ask how many would--online only--match or reply with guys who list a height below 6 feet. That'll give you an idea of what I'm talking about. For the rest of your po… | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 04:41 AM |
| 1 | Below 6 feet tall and average looking. How many say "worth trying" how many say "forget it"?But I'm autistic, not young, and lesser-abled in some ways (can't contribute to society.) Other than that I'm "normal enough" I'm 5'9" and average looking I guess, have had some women tell me I'm attractive before. But in a few key ways I'm severely abnormal and that puts me in the "forced virgin for life category" already. To crawl out of that (excluding payment) is about facing hundreds or even thousand+ rejections with high likelihood of no acceptance at all... since no one wants a charity ca… | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 04:37 AM |
| 1 | Top 10% guys take everything; these guys ruined it for youCan't answer any questions? Did you read this: You're telling me you'd work 30x as hard to get 1/30th the results? It's a slap in the face already, to even want to put up with that, while Shad does nothing and still gets what he wants. You're going to tell me that's anything remotely in the universe of just, right, proper? "Men who aren't Shad" should go ahead and work 30 times as hard, to get 1/30th the results? Answer the question man. | /r/seduction | 07/05/20 04:28 AM |
| 1 | Top 10% guys take everything; these guys ruined it for youYou just made an even worse moral of the story, man. "If you don't have looks, have money." That's the last thing I need to hear. I'm autistic, lesser-abled, and can't even have a career. Going by your system, neither having "great looks" nor "good money" would mean I have drastically low odds. That can't be true--say it ain't so | /r/seduction | 27/04/20 05:49 AM |
| 1 | Top 10% guys take everything; these guys ruined it for youThe unfairness of all this--pathetic as it may sound--still gets to me. If you're not Shad, you basically have to go through a hundred+ rejections for every ten rejections that Shad will get. It is just ridiculous. And mostly just for being average looking and below 6 feet tall, as a man. While an average looking woman does even better than most Shads. An average looking man (assuming below 6 foot in height) has to put in 30x the effort of the average woman, at least, to get 1/30th of the result… | /r/seduction | 27/04/20 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Top 10% guys take everything; these guys ruined it for youAre you aware that many if not most women in our age group get attention by doing virtually nothing? I'm sure you're aware the 10% Shad doesn't need to put in the effort, and still gets woman he wants. But guys like me... we can put in great effort on this and still expect hundreds if not thousands of rejections (if you count a major online effort) before even one date happens... the numbers are astronomical at this point. Man consider what I just said there. It is probably accurate given the nu… | /r/seduction | 27/04/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?What you are doing is already thinking for the girl. And you can't do that. You simply don't know. Rubbish. Have you tried online dating as an average looking guy, below 6 foot tall? You already know the answer... you're going to get rejected hundreds of times (thousands, if you're a masochist) and not going on any dates. At least online, "average guy" knows what's going to happen ahead of time, so there's no point to bother. And I don't know about you, but for me, it's hard to think women would… | /r/seduction | 27/04/20 05:29 AM |
| 1 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?Well I mean if you're a guy who's a 3/10 in looks you need to be 7/10 (at least) in money and probably 7/10 in achievement. If you're a guy who's 9/10 in looks you can be 0/10 in money and 3/10 in achievement. If you're an autistic guy who's a 5/10 in looks, you need to be 9/10 in money and 9/10 in achievement. It really is combination of looks, money, status. Nothing else matters if you're a guy. | /r/seduction | 27/04/20 05:21 AM |
| 0 | Are some girls / guys really out of your league?I would say autistic losers who don't have their shit together, average looking too, can still get decent women... even if not for a longterm relationship. I don't understand why a lot of folks say, "If he isn't great looking, he needs money and intelligence," etc. I would think you could be average looking guy with no money and uneven intelligence, and still get decent women. But it seems folks suggest a guy like that is "low value" and therefore has no options. But could it not be that some wo… | /r/seduction | 27/04/20 05:16 AM |
| 1 | The 5 pillars that made me full-filledAnd if you need good money to get decent women, they're neither decent nor worth pursuing to begin with, am I right? | /r/seduction | 27/04/20 04:48 AM |
| 0 | Top 10% guys take everything; these guys ruined it for youBut everyone tells me woman gets attention all day and night from men, so why would the "top 10% or bust" thing be incorrect? If any given person gets flooded with attention, wouldn't they be hyper-selective and only choose the best one in the category of looks, status, or money? So, that's why you have to be top 10% in one of those categories. I don't see the silver-lining you offer. What reason would a woman be into me enough for intimacy, if I can't offer her security, finances, "great looks"… | /r/seduction | 10/04/20 05:47 AM |
| -2 | The 5 pillars that made me full-filledYou don't need money to get decent women. | /r/seduction | 10/04/20 05:40 AM |
| 2 | I game but not with hot womenYou don't get it. Only top 5% guy can get beautiful women in bed. The way to do that is have actor/model looks (that puts you at 5%, probably... 1 in 20 guys are lucky enough to be "very attractive")... or a shit load of money/status. Not once have I seen a guy who wasn't either one of those, with a beautiful woman. It does not happen. "The cake is a lie" once said a brilliant philosopher. You sir, offer the cake. | /r/seduction | 10/04/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | How to be quick and witty with women in your conversations.Better living through chemistry? ;) | /r/seduction | 10/04/20 05:10 AM |
| 1 | How to be quick and witty with women in your conversations.Although a nervous guy tends to be seen as low-value or beta, that's the problem... | /r/seduction | 10/04/20 04:37 AM |
| 0 | I understand the whole "don't put pussy on a pedestal" idea, but, how do you actually put that idea into action?In other words don't be an awkward guy who's lesser-abled and not able to be with any woman as a result. Gotcha. Your advice can work for those whom words are intended; the NT or Neurotypical guy who fits into society because he can, not for those on whom words don't work--the autistic guy, who doesn't assimilate language well because the disorder is being seen more as a deficiency of Language Processing. Weird and tangential as hell... but anyway, if more folks could understand what causes auti… | /r/seduction | 09/04/20 06:31 AM |
| 2 | How to be quick and witty with women in your conversations.What if naturally awkward, though? | /r/seduction | 09/04/20 06:25 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?I just want to know if you would have any advice for this guy, who wrote a very long post: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/fo8gqx/common_traits_in_guys_who_suck_with_women/flkamiw/ It's one of the longest NiceGuy comments I've ever seen. If nothing else, does this guy sound like he's more right than he's wrong? Is it a case of "yeah, that's how it is... but your job as a man is tough it out and accept all of that, or otherwise stay bitter and never find anyone." | /r/seduction | 09/04/20 05:23 AM |
| 1 | Common traits in guys who suck with womenIn other posts you claim you have had relations with women, but after reading this it is clear you are one of those very angry "nice guys"... I've been around a while and most of those guys are still dateless virgins. No offense, but with your terrible attitude, how is it you were able to find anyone interested? I've been like this a lot myself (even though it contradicts some of the things I write) and I can tell you it is absolute destruction, it ensures (so long as I have all this anger) that… | /r/seduction | 09/04/20 05:16 AM |
| 3 | Common traits in guys who suck with womenI hope you have some male friends who are autistic and still had some success? BEcause I need some inspiration. I'm lesser-abled because of the social difficulty I have... and despondent, desperate like you wouldn't believe. Time is running out... no joke | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 06:05 AM |
| -3 | Common traits in guys who suck with womenOn the contrary, what I've seen is the only demand is for relationships... it does unfortunately seem like if women want something without strings, usually they can get that so easily and quickly, from guys much higher in value. It's not really something they need. So yes, "horny," but only for a very few guys top 5% Unless you're Shad, no point in escalating. You need a relationship first, before you can get that... is the point to learn there. That's just the harsh truth. Pick-up isn't a thing… | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 06:02 AM |
| 1 | Try to fit into a "scene" if you can, you'll have a lot more success.You don't have to be a very social person to get women, man. So I disagree. | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Are you seducing for sex or for love?Do you ever not do sugar-dating? What gives. I was told women like guys who don't have money. | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Got ghosted online dating constantly?You have a horrible toxic attitude. Be Genuine Be Honest Be Vulnerable approach her in real life. Has that worked for you? You're clearly a cynical angry person yourself if you talk about women in that way. Can't imagine you'd find anyone interested, online or off, while you have that disrespect, anger, and bitterness underneath (but it's there, for everyone to see...!) | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Got ghosted online dating constantly?A chic may be on there just to chat and feel good, and unless you're way above her league paying and perfect, what can you offer her that 10x men aren't already trying to offer her? Did you know cynicism is the least healthy trait you can possibly have? Ever consider that? Look, you want to find women--does it help for you to have no respect for what it is you want? "They're all a bunch of gold-diggers who only want Shad, and no one else." Maybe you can tell me how this belief system helps you a… | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:40 AM |
| 1 | Got ghosted online dating constantly?And about these 5% they're chasing, they're still human beings... just a mountain of atoms... at the end of the day. I don't care if there are attractive men with three degrees, practices law and travels the globe... that guy is no better than a loser in his 30s who can't direct his own life. And both guys can still get attractive women. As a man, at least one has the privilege to "make shit up" and cultivate value without needing to have a good job, education, whatever. Don't think that since t… | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Got ghosted online dating constantly?Online everyone is (typically) single, so you have way more competition. What about your profile and your text messaging makes you a better catch than a 6’4” professional engineer/doctor/lawyer who has traveled the globe, has a cool blog/YT/insta, can bench press a truck and run a 7 minute mile, can cook, volunteers regularly in the community, has a couple of hobbies, and on top of it all has a handsome smile/chiseled jawline/great hair/excellent sense of style? Because those dudes exist within … | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:32 AM |
| 1 | Got ghosted online dating constantly?How do you know it's always "someone better came along" or whatever. It's a bit dehumanizing to always assume such a thing, don't you think? Couldn't it be, she changed her mind and doesn't want to look for anyone--at all. Or something terrible happened in her life, she doesn't have the time, doesn't feel like telling you neither. Or whatever. Don't make it always into some competition where--because demand among men is so high, and so low (selective), for women--"you always get beaten by Shad."… | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Got ghosted online dating constantly?But then if you can't go with day game, or online game.. it's only social circle game that's left. But what if you're autistic, and can't do social circle game? What then? | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:24 AM |
| 2 | How do you get girls who are your "type" especially when you don't naturally attract them. Anyone been there?You can raise value without raising job prospects, money, or education... y'know. Maybe bettering game and dressing better could be good ways to raise value, actually? | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:20 AM |
| 1 | How do you get girls who are your "type" especially when you don't naturally attract them. Anyone been there?It's not a status-for-looks exchange, mate, and if that's what you believe... go ahead and try to succeed while being cynical. It doesn't happen. Did you know that Conan O'Brien once said, "Cynicism is the worst trait anyone could have" ? "High value" this, that, or the other thing. It's not as if a politician can get any woman he wants, while a deliveryman cannot. And if you want to challenge that statement--claiming as if you know better, because "status is everything, in a man"--you're just p… | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:17 AM |
| 2 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?No doctor ever said I cannot be social. I'm saying it's way too stressful for me to even attempt. I would need to devote my entire life to exercise, meditation, and several different cycles of anti-anxiety drugs to have a chance AND to skip past rejection sensitivity. This is what real autism is like; maybe your friends don't have that kind of thing I mean you're not just looking at "normal guy who happens to be autistic here" you're looking at someone who's also at the bottom of the food chain … | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 05:00 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?Mystery is an autistic narcissistic lunatic. I heard he's also a quick-witted guy who can work sets in bars, and so on. Not something I imagine that could apply to most autistic guys, at least not myself. Let me explain this to you concisely, so you understand what's going on with guys who are autistic: it all breaks down at the point of performance. Put a different way, the problem is with not much besides except spoken language. But that is a huge, gigantic problem. Women "require talking" the… | /r/seduction | 25/03/20 04:54 AM |
| 1 | The hard, cold truth of cold approaching.Cold approach you're looking at, something like, 500 approaches for one casual encounter. (Unless you're Shad, it's different for you... more on that later) Reasons are numerous, first you have the 80/20 rule. After that, vast majority are already taken. Another thing (unless you want a serious relationship) most want you to invest before anything else happens. Also consider that it's very easy for many women to get casual relations, so it's not something that's in-demand (unless you're very goo… | /r/seduction | 04/03/20 05:18 AM |
| 1 | I've definitely been guilty of this...Most women don't want to be approached when they're out and about in the day, trying to get somewhere. Daygame doesn't work, man, and I'm sure you know that... Nightgame gives you an out, a reason to hit on them. Daygame you're interrupting them. Do you understand? I'm willing to bet you haven't had any of the desired outcomes from daygame, also. | /r/seduction | 04/03/20 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Your job as a man is to approach.I'm well into my 30s and most certainly bottom 5%, possibly bottom 1%. Don't assume I'm anything like you, because I'm not. | /r/seduction | 04/03/20 04:30 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?Maybe I could get decent women since I'm young enough... around the age when you began. I think I can pull it off, what do you think? | /r/seduction | 04/03/20 04:27 AM |
| 1 | 100 approaches in a month - end of the monthBut dude you don't get it, I'm an autistic guy who can't participate very much in life, I'm not even close to normal in many respects. I have to try even in this state, don't you think? It's true I'm not even 1/20th of the person you are--you can hold your own in life--but does that mean I must be a dateless virgin for the entirety of a life? (Or pay?) You sure no one would be interested in a guy like me, unless I can pay an hourly fee? | /r/seduction | 03/03/20 06:07 AM |
| 1 | Giving up?"The older you get, the higher your stock goes, but ONLY in direct proportion to money and credentials... which has nothing to do with the person you actually are, but only in your demonstrated ability to win in a zero-sum world" Fixed that for you. | /r/seduction | 03/03/20 05:32 AM |
| 0 | Why Looks Don't Matter That Much (Infield)Well then you must be model-esque, which is still possible for being below 6-foot tall albeit less prevalent. If not, you're coasting on something, some stand-out quality. Basically if you've looked around (at the average guy), listened, observed, you know that today, men are the cheapest possible commodity which means that you need to tick a lot of boxes to even be considered. You say you're able to meet/hook-up and so on. Let me tell you, women need that like they need another compliment; it's… | /r/seduction | 03/03/20 05:26 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?I'm incredibly disconnected. In my 30s though... | /r/seduction | 03/03/20 04:52 AM |
| 2 | Your job as a man is to approach.You don't even know me. | /r/seduction | 03/03/20 04:50 AM |
| 3 | Why Looks Don't Matter That Much (Infield)Have you ever known any gargoyle men who got decent women? And I'll add the condition that said gargoyle must not be rich, either. | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 06:48 AM |
| 1 | Why Looks Don't Matter That Much (Infield)Seems like being below 6 foot tall already makes online dating not even worth it. I guess Pimped Out Social Status or Six Figures is like makeup for guys below 6 feet tall--but if you don't have those things, you can't use them as cover. Am I right, or...? | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 06:47 AM |
| 1 | Rejection does not make you any less of a man.If you got rejected a ton and haven't got any positive results (is that the case?) then.. well, I'll say if that was the case for me, personally it would be hard to continue. No reason to damage my self-esteem more. Anyway, if you're getting rejected a lot, you must be doing something wrong--have you looked into this? | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Rejection does not make you any less of a man.Hey man, I'll try to keep the grim cynicism--my trademark--to a minimum here, and keep it straight. I'm also in my 30s and an extreme hardcase, to say the least. I'm just wanting to share I know your issue with your looks. It used to be, before I started noticeably aging, I was mostly secure in my looks. But then it happened that I starting losing my hair gradually, it's been a slow-decline at least, but the fact is I'm not just getting rid of it or trying a buzz-cut (and the reason for that is,… | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Your job as a man is to approach.But if one happens to be an autistic loser past his prime, and unable to do much better, you might as well make it your job because there's no possibility of success. Evolution has never favored the losers, and especially not the bottom 5% guy (which I likely am.) There's just no point. It's always going to be "no," I don't have to ask and get that confirmed. In some cases, you just have to be realistic. | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 06:25 AM |
| -5 | This has been working in getting me to approach. Hopefully, this will help some of you.I hate to put it this way, but has it led to any "good results".. or at least "promising outcomes," for you? And are you aware that 80% of women only want the top 20% of men? It's hard to even want to compete when that rule holds so much sway. | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 06:19 AM |
| 1 | 100 approaches in a month - end of the monthNow you say they were friendly, but do you think that would change if you told them you had a low-skill job or were unemployed, etc? This is what I'm up against. I'm a stone-cold loser who can't do any better. It's no longer a case of "I can afford to wait 2-3 years to fix my life, and THEN approach" it's approach now or turn 40 as a virgin and that's going to happen pretty soon... it's not too far away I'll add I don't need to hear the token "you can always pay someone" line | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?How could i be a prize? I'm in my late 30s with nothing. I have nothing to offer. I mean that literally. So I think "lesser abled" is accurate. No one who was "fully abled" would choose to live much of their life as an avoidant--this is not something I've ever seen, in my entire life, of those who are naturally social. They don't retreat... there's no reason to do so. Few would choose to have this status. I had no choice though, because my social experiences showed, time and time again, I was no… | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?So it's over, then? I thought this sub was for support. You're saying something that's just wrong. | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 05:46 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?It is in fact good shit. He's so full of it--has no idea what he is talking about--I had a good time reading it. | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?I'm not a social animal. But you don't need to be a social animal, to have success with this, right? Now, if it were up to me, a lack of desire to be a social animal would neatly lead to a lack of sensual desire. Unfortunately, I was not that lucky. It's true that I've learned that I cannot be accepted in any social group, starting at the age of 15 onward... it's also true that I have literally the same level of desire as the average guy. Think about that right now--the kind of hell I have to en… | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?All of them forever alone virgins like me, probably. You don't impress with this. What you just talked about in that long post is not even possible for most autistics. Maybe there's a functional cut-off dependent on actual functioning and social anxiety. I'm mid-functioning (e.g. very far from your STEM college grad) and very high levels of social anxiety, not helped by meds very much. What you suggest there is not possible. "Build a social network" is not possible for me, at least. Are you tryi… | /r/seduction | 02/03/20 05:23 AM |
| 2 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?You don't need money and a good job to get decent women, man. | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 07:20 AM |
| 8 | Guys who are highly successful with women, was it always that way for you?Well I'm an autistic guy, so I can't really fix much of that. Are you sure that no decent woman will accept a lesser-abled guy? I was hoping they would. | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 07:19 AM |
| 1 | 100 approaches in a month - end of the monthNot sure that amount of rejection, along with all the blind alleys and flakes that presumably came with it, is what I'd call "friendly" but then everyone tells me I should be less cynical | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 07:16 AM |
| 1 | 100 approaches in a month - end of the monthAre you sure? He hasn't been with any of his approaches yet. | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 07:13 AM |
| 1 | 100 approaches in a month - end of the monthHopefully some women like "older guys" without the stability, "good job" and "good money"? Otherwise I'm screwed. | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 07:13 AM |
| 1 | If world population is close to equal, why are there more lonely men out there than there are women?I think the comments here are very close to RP ideology; not good Anyway ya'll are wrong. Just bringing it down to status and money. You could have zero status and little money and still find decent women, so I don't know where you're getting this. Stone-hearted cynics... | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Talking to a woman on the phone is not as bad as you think!A lot of us here--including myself--are on the spectrum and tend to read a lot of things literally, just so you know! Y'all would make this place run smoother, if you took a moment to clarify open-ended sentences more! (Just saying, not trying to be snide, honestly) | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 06:32 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyMost of those experiences were due to simply being in the right place at the right time. Weed and booze played a huge factor in getting rid of some inhibition at the time so if you’re not into either of those I don’t know if my way to being even mildly successful would apply to you. I can't use weed or booze, anymore. Are you sure, in your case, that if you couldn't have them, nothing would work? | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 05:50 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyIf Rsd tyler can get laid anyone can He's gifted, established, and wealthy, so I'd wonder if that helps a bit? I've heard about his "journey before RSD" as well, but even then, he was moving along with the motions of life, on pace with the next guy. I never had that... I'm not that, basically. In my case, you're dealing with an autistic man who has few of the gifts that "supposedly" come with the condition. I got screwed with learning issues on top of all the rest. I'm 5'9" and average looking. … | /r/seduction | 04/02/20 05:48 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyWell I hope you don't mind that I looked at your post history a bit. You claim to have had a fair amount of experience in this area before, so right now I'm going to take a moment to ask how you were able to "have those experiences." It's embarrassing but I'm still a virgin, and all. You say you're an oversharer so I wonder if you're the quasi-extrovert type of Asperger's. I'm the opposite of that, cold, aloof, closed-off and non-trusting. Let me know how you did it, man. It would help if you ha… | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 07:03 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyWell the "lost chance" thing may not be true for you... hopefully it isn't. But I'm that age, and I think it is definitely true for me. I assume you've probably improved your lot in life, while mostly all I've done was avoid everything that was difficult for me. Along with that (and resulting from it), I don't function at even 1/10th the level of a normal person, so I offer nothing of what is expected of a guy at this age. I used to have "unusually youthful looks" also, but at this point even th… | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 06:38 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyCan't believe you're saying this stuff with a straight face if you already admitted you have the looks/height advantage yourself. I've had many of these types tell me "you're already enough" and then they tell me they're 6'3" and one guy was taller than that. Both of them claimed to be autistic, like me. Both claimed they did well with women. Much of the answer for those guys is not hard to deduce. Respectively, it was 6'3" and 6'5" and one of these guys got defensive when I told him that. I thi… | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 06:25 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Height shouldn't be a deal breaker unless you're a legal dwarf. Most women demand 6 foot, though. Now I'm 5'9" which is not horrible, but it's not good enough, especially not on dating sites. So it's already a massive uphill battle based on that one factor alone. I mean if you're a guy below 6 foot on any dating site, don't bother unless you can make up for it with a great/well-paid job... which I cannot. So I guess online won't work for me. But would real-life approaching offer "better odds"? | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 06:16 AM |
| 1 | Fashion is really underrated in pickupGreen sweatshirt for the win, then? I like the way I look in green. And sweatshirts are comfortable. Could work? | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 05:37 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Very well, I'll try and skip most of the victimization this time, but you're gonna have to accept that in its place, Ima bring up something that could be a bit cynical/skeptical. You've said that you were like me for a very long time, but eventually figured some things out, you improved, and managed to meet women. The idea being, if I could put in some kind of similar effort, I could see results. But let's check that a bit, now. Not to interrogate you, but when was the last time you were with a … | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 05:33 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyReversing a bit from the previous statement, now. If you hadn't given up, you could have had some of the same "decent women" that your NT peers have had. You may have lost most of your chance by now, but it's never too late. And it's not as if "autistic man tries" automatically equals, "massive effort for no results, OR finds women he's not into" and if you see it that way, you've fallen prey to your own tendency for black-and-white thinking. Try again, it's much easier than you think. You have … | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 05:15 AM |
| 1 | How to Keep a Girl Interested in You (Casual or Serious)Fortunately, most guys have shit game... Not true, considering most guys are NT (neurotypical.) I'm autistic, I'm at a disadvantage to anyone who isn't autistic (vast majority of men.) So if you're autistic you can't have game. | /r/seduction | 01/02/20 05:10 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Not very helpful here. Not saying you're wrong, but keep in mind you're talking to a guy with significant disadvantages. The better idea is to suggest some kind of alternative, even if that's "oh, you're average looking without money or status, why not make yourself SEEM above average by improving dress, posture, musculature," and things of that nature. In a sense I'm the autistic guy who can't do much, 5'9" height, average looking, and thin. But then there's a lot of guys shorter than me, less … | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 06:09 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Do you know who I am, then? | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 06:03 AM |
| 2 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Well I'm a guy on the spectrum who's trying to fight against a life long lived in inaction--being autistic is already a full-time job--and it's just not a battle you can win overnight. At my age the typical guy has accomplished probably fifty times or more than me, but at least, to my credit, I never gave up 100%. And the kicker is this all invisible, with health problems on top of that too. I'm looking for decent woman who might be interested to get together, but I can't find that if they're go… | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 06:01 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Your objective should be to do the opposite, and embrace the "fuckboy frame", where the only value she can get on you is sexual gratification. If she see you as just some fuckboy cashier with good pipe, she's hella less likely to try to hold sex over your head to get resoueces from you. Fair enough, you might be on the right track there, but I'm not sure if there's a time limit for that kind of thing. Can you be 30+ and a guy who just ain't serious? Not sure about the looks/height working enough… | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 05:50 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?Are you suggesting a guy like me, autistic and lesser-abled, might be able to find decent women? Or not. (I'd also be a very late-starter, so I might be screwed already.) | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 05:45 AM |
| 1 | What do women think of guys with lousy job, low prospects, etc.?When it comes to hook-ups of course looks and body matter the most. Then I guess maybe it's game on for me, since I'm 5'9" and thin? It's a lot better than being 5'6" and overweight, at least, so I figure I have a decent shot? Obviously I can't offer money or security, I'm on the spectrum. But I would think "short-term game" could be my thing, so long as I put myself out there! | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 05:40 AM |
| 2 | Having a tough time actually meeting single women IRL, need adviceIt seems like you're a woman, from your other posts. Just so you know and for the benefit of those you advise in the future, the experience of vast majority of men with online dating is the polar opposite of what most women experience. I don't minimize other problems including poor behavior from guys. Rather I'm saying guys do not get attention on dating sites to begin with, it's often a long and very demoralizing slog to even have a chance to meet one person after months or years. Getting just … | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 05:35 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyIf all they want is Shad, I'm afraid it is impossible, full stop. Even autistic women only want that type of guy. What else can we say. Nothing can be said. The entitlement on the other side of the aisle is more damaging than anyone is willing to acknowledge, while if they see the complaints, then it's , "boys complain, men overcome." Not sure that statement is going to help anyone, though | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 05:20 AM |
| 1 | How to meet women if you are shyYeah man, modern dating has made autistic guys almost irrelevant. How do you cope? | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 05:15 AM |
| 1 | How to Keep a Girl Interested in You (Casual or Serious)Texting and communication skills on point, then? I think--at least with online stuff--that's where I have a roadblock. But then again, the main problem I have isn't just that I have shaky communication skill or that I'm still "low value" at an advanced age. The starting-problem is that there isn't a real need on the other side--using veiled terms now--for sexy times, to begin with. Or, let's put this way, when there's so much abundance of choice out there for them... the odds of a guy who doesn'… | /r/seduction | 28/01/20 05:11 AM |
| 4 | How to meet women if you are shyThere's a heck of a lot more to it than that. And also, they don't want awkward or autistic guys to say hello, and so on.. .and so forth. It's impossible. | /r/seduction | 27/01/20 07:04 AM |
| 2 | How to meet women if you are shyBut I can't take action if it means I have to act like some smooth, witty guy who's in charge. Because that's not the cards I was dealt. I'm an autistic guy. I have to accept it means I'm always 1-7 steps slow, socially. Maybe at my best I'm like 2 steps slow. The only thing you can be, when you're like this, is reserved. And you can't be at ease in groups. Is it weakness, or how I was wired? It's the second one. | /r/seduction | 27/01/20 07:03 AM |
| 0 | How to Keep a Girl Interested in You (Casual or Serious)Can be done without social status or money, though? Because I would think guys without good credentials can do this too | /r/seduction | 27/01/20 07:00 AM |
| 3 | Having a tough time actually meeting single women IRL, need adviceThe first bit of advice there is okay. Don't listen to the second part of the advice. You're going to lose your self-esteem if you join any dating site, and it will happen very fast. Unless your credentials are spectacular, IMHO, don't join any of those sites. | /r/seduction | 27/01/20 06:55 AM |
| -1 | Having a tough time actually meeting single women IRL, need advicebut the potential dating pool is very [competitive] Man, what planet are you living on? I fixed that for you. My buddy has tried Match and eHarmony and bombed out of it because his job wasn't impressive enough. He told me the only thing that mattered was job and income, and you had to be "well-off, at least" to meet anyone, regardless of any factor at all. I don't agree with giving false hope, anymore. YMMV, though | /r/seduction | 27/01/20 06:49 AM |
| 1 | Feel so worthlessI honestly can't be sure of the gender of this person, the post was confusing...? The first paragraph suggests they are woman, but after that it looks ambiguous... :-/ | /r/seduction | 27/01/20 06:47 AM |
| 1 | r/femaledatingstrategy really showed me how some women view men, and I am scared as fuck. Are gay men welcomed in r/mensrights? I am finally starting to see it your way.How does a lesser-abled guy, let's say a guy with Asperger's, get the time of day in the current dating scene? Would it even be possible for said guy to find anyone, if he's not a career guy/boffin type making good dough? | /r/MensRights | 27/01/20 05:57 AM |
| 2 | I need to stop being so insecureyou have to be offering some kind of value as a man. And that value does not have to be a good job. Don't let capitalism define your self-worth. The media is basically programmed into making you feel insecure based on your achievements, as this is a great deal of what creates profits for advertising agencies. "Since you need to get better, here's a carrot-on-a-stick so that you feel inadequate on each step of the journey, until you reach the very top (which you probably won't.)" That's how econo… | /r/seduction | 27/01/20 05:31 AM |
| 1 | I need to stop being so insecureYou're right, dude, I need a crapload of help in confidence. I wish you knew the extent of the "triggers" I deal with, for instance just reading a news blurb about some 12-year-old polymath, or today literally reading about a brilliant medical specialist who also writes best-selling fiction novels on the side (widely acclaimed.) Dude what the heck... he's got an extremely difficult job that very few could even hope to do, and he's writing long-ass novels that win awards? I can't help but compare… | /r/seduction | 25/01/20 05:14 AM |
| 2 | I need to stop being so insecureDon't tie your "dating market value" directly to your academic achievements or job prospects. And besides, I don't think you'd want to be with women who require you to be in grad school before a certain age, or making a minimum of 70k, or something like that. You want the women who don't care about this "Keep Up with the Jones" stuff. And not those who make a contest out of life, with an entitlement for "winners only" because they're so egotistical they deserve the best, automatically. It's a ve… | /r/seduction | 24/01/20 06:24 AM |
| 1 | I need to stop being so insecureBut you shouldn't need to have a "good" job to have true confidence, though. Looking further down, you seem to equate confidence almost entirely with career trajectory. I'm not trying to say guys shouldn't push to improve, I am trying to say the job market with the capitalist "climb the ladder" thing is not one-size-fits-all, and unfortunately that's not going to change any time soon. There's a good reason many guys in their 30s or beyond are working low-wage jobs, or they're out of the job mark… | /r/seduction | 24/01/20 06:14 AM |
| 2 | I need to stop being so insecureIf you think women are that shallow, write in "Burrito Engineer" in your description online. I guarantee you'll still get replies at the same rate you were getting them, before. It's just not true that all decent women literally require a guy to have a good job to be interested. | /r/seduction | 24/01/20 05:19 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone used "dating" places here? Disturbing pattern foundIt's a way to be seen as "more desirable" if you don't want to list your actual job position. It seems as if listing nothing about work-related matters is one of the common strands linking the downvoted posts. (If you have the time to explore trivial things like this, you can have a look at the men's posts in R4R and VirginityExchange and confirm seeing the same pattern.) | /r/seduction | 24/01/20 05:14 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone used "dating" places here? Disturbing pattern foundI'd like to know why a woman can write anything they want or omit biographical details entirely, and still have tons of interest? WHILE the only thing a man can say to get interest online is list a prestigious degree, a "well-paid" or "dangerous/exciting" job, or 6 foot tall+. The question of looks is obviously an important one, BUT please consider I'm more talking about Reddit or non-picture formats so in this case, (initially) it really IS more about what you write down. On Tinder and "officia… | /r/seduction | 24/01/20 05:02 AM |
| 1 | I need to stop being so insecureYou're either sarcastic or missed the context cues. Whatever the case it's rather annoying to see that here, in a place catering to a significant portion of men who can't get any matches at all, or replies, or anything. I guess I'm humorless, but you ought to take the time to ask an average/typical guy what this is really like, before you make such comments... You make it sound like an entitlement. | /r/seduction | 22/01/20 05:56 AM |
| 2 | I need to stop being so insecureI like to think the "needs a better job" stuff is overdone. Can't a guy be a Burrito Engineer or even out of the job market, and still get decent women? | /r/seduction | 22/01/20 05:52 AM |
| 1 | How would a introverted Guy with autism and social anxiety be able to get laid?(primarily, being successful), Autism also carries many components of learning disabilities, and if you get a certain combination of that (which I did) it will prevent you from having any kind of success. I had difficulty in a crappy college that anyone could attend, for example. I'm not college material, not social material, not "practical skills" material or anything else. I have no prospects and can't do shit. So I guess it is over, especially at my advanced age. | /r/seduction | 22/01/20 05:01 AM |
| 1 | How would a introverted Guy with autism and social anxiety be able to get laid?To answer your question directly, it's not so hard for an introverted/autistic guy to "get laid." Seems like the most common answer given to autistic guys is one of these: "pay for it, travel to Southeast Asia, go to kink clubs" and so on. The implication is quite troubling to me, it's as if basically no one wants these guys outside of a few fringe parameters, yet no one says it outright. I want to know why when a so-called "normal" guy asks what can be done, those answers aren't given? Riddle m… | /r/seduction | 21/01/20 07:08 AM |
| 1 | How would a introverted Guy with autism and social anxiety be able to get laid?For me, the worst aspect of dating while autistic Actually the worst part is those two things don't go together at all. It's not possible. (Or perhaps, maybe it's the best thing about it? Just forget all that mind-fuckery and destroyed self-esteem, right?) Think of all the ways you're screwed. Lack of emotional insight making every communication a guessing game. Over-analysis. Lack of connection with others resulting in constant feeling of "scarcity" and neediness. One of the worst things is see… | /r/seduction | 21/01/20 07:04 AM |
| 1 | Even as an attractive guy Tinder is a waste of timeI'm aware I was away for a long-ass time, but if you're still around. How long has it been for you | /r/seduction | 15/01/20 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Why you self sabotageIt's not as if "self-centered" falls to one side entirely in every conversation with me; it does seem to be a human tendency had by all at times, and not one that's left out by default, by the other party, simply because I'm more self-centered than most (and admitting it, by the way.) You missed mentioning an important point I made about the social difficulties and how that led me to this. If you don't acknowledge the difficulties that leads any given person to the complex(es) they developed, at… | /r/seduction | 15/01/20 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Even as an attractive guy Tinder is a waste of timeSorry if I peeked at your post history, but it seems like those very difficult first 20 years of your life didn't stop you from having girlfriend in your teens, though? I might also mention I'm still a virgin well into my 30s, with no prospects for anything in life... | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 07:07 AM |
| 1 | Best response to "I have a boyfriend"?Wow... it's not very often we have women here in this sub. It may be random, but do you think it's possible that autistic guy with few skills, no social status, and so on, could meet someone? | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 06:19 AM |
| 1 | Does masturbation have an affect on approaching/getting girlsWorking on my art during those 3 years--even if I don't really get paid--surely counts for something, though? And besides, it's mind over matter. If I think I'm high value (even if, in actuality, my life is more pathetic than the average peasant) I can still get decent women. So long as I believe I'm high-value, I can find what I'm looking for. | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 06:16 AM |
| 1 | Cold Approach VS Online Game - The Best Way Meet WomenYou don't need high social status to get chicks, though. Even autistic losers can find someone, right? (Or at least, I hope, because otherwise I'd have no chance.) | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Why you self sabotageSorry, but your post is kind of drivel, so I can't really say you've made a good counter point. Also, we've spoken like ten times now and you're still a negative Nancy. So it's obvious to me why you're still unattractive, ya know? I'm negative for any one of a hundred reasons, the foremost one is the stark difference in the way these things operate, between the genders. I'd say the most recent bugbear is, with the one place I actually use as a kind of "online dating" it continues to leave me wit… | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 05:44 AM |
| 0 | Even as an attractive guy Tinder is a waste of timeas long as your body language is on point. That's ironic you would suggest that, given you're aware I'm on the spectrum, and even moreso given you claim to be. I must then be lower-functioning than you, if I can at a glance infer from recent posts that you're able to converse/present fluently; I'm saying I've always had terrible body language and it's likely not fixable. My version of autism is heavy on "sensory distress"--I'm just tense and uncomfortable, no matter what. It doesn't go away. Eve… | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 05:10 AM |
| 1 | Even as an attractive guy Tinder is a waste of timeWhat about him? | /r/seduction | 12/12/19 05:03 AM |
| 1 | Even as an attractive guy Tinder is a waste of timeHow would you be doing if your body was a 5 and your face was a 6-7? I mean, including real life. I think that's me. Just wondering how I should approach things. Am also socially-challenged, on top of that. So hopefully most women don't care that I have no status and so on | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 07:51 AM |
| -4 | Even as an attractive guy Tinder is a waste of timeNo game works for guys below 6 foot and without money, though. Doesn't matter if it's online, night or day, it doesn't work. | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 07:46 AM |
| 5 | The truth about dating women - A woman’s perspectiveWhat's a guy with no social status to do, then? It's not as if you can just "climb up" since I'm socially-challenged to begin with, and not suited for the "fast-lane" type of life, in the least bit, either. | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 07:45 AM |
| 4 | Cold Approach VS Online Game - The Best Way Meet WomenYour statement is nonsense because the saturation rate online is far greater than what it was 10 years ago, for instance. The bar for men has risen drastically. The conclusion you reach from that is simple, if you're a man, you have to "Be Shad." That's it. If you're "Not Shad" = online is punishing and destructive for ego and well-being, not worth it. It's that simple. If that worked for you, you must be "high quality" anyway, so the advice will not be applicable for most. "Shad" being shorthan… | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 07:29 AM |
| 1 | Why you self sabotageFrom a psychology standpoint, I think all of this is good stuff. But does not an honest human being, observe actual patterns and draw conclusions from them, however unpleasant? Look man, I've been around the block. When you start to notice that the "6 foot, 6 figures" stuff... this whole generalized but legitimate phenomenon we call "Shads" or in other words, socially outspoken men with cliched masculinity... when you see what's happened online, especially... and how the net effect is, once you … | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 07:18 AM |
| 1 | I finally did it!!You can only suggest that if you tried it, which I very much doubt xD | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 07:07 AM |
| 1 | Does masturbation have an affect on approaching/getting girlsand not thinking this is the reason why you’re not getting girls. Can you "go out there and look for women" and skip the part about being a 30+ autistic guy who can't pull his own weight and has virtually no life skills, in my case? I'd actually go forward with it, if I felt the argument was convincing enough. I have literally nothing expected of a man at this age because of the disability, you see. | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 07:00 AM |
| 1 | How much does a broken/disabled life affect your game?Okay, this part I can agree with. It has been interesting to learn that a little bit of meditation has helped to learn these lessons better. | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 05:54 AM |
| 1 | How much does a broken/disabled life affect your game?Doesn't matter if we learn the rules. We can't play by them. You cannot beat NTs at their own game. It's a game designed to exclude everyone who isn't perfectly attuned, you can't gloss over that fact, man. | /r/seduction | 06/12/19 05:51 AM |
| 1 | Did 2 cold approaches today, 1 rejection and 1 phone number...here to report back to anxious fucks like meFirst of all, while I agree that you may have it a lot harder than NT men to get attraction from women, I dont think that it is entirely impossible for you. I would say that there are tastes for everything; there are even people that call themself as "bugchasers", these people seek for sex with people that have HIV. I'm aware there are those women who have unorthodox tastes, I suppose that's the idea, then. (And if you have read even a few things in my post history, you know I'm an outlier in ma… | /r/seduction | 04/11/19 05:10 AM |
| 1 | Approached by a girl on a night outGet some therapy. What you said is patently false, and basically sick. And in saying such things, you paint women as a "data set" that only behaves in one way, with no exceptions. How would you like it if someone said you're not a person who has a mind of his own; you are instead a robot, a slave to determinism. You're basically a "sheep." Obviously, you would find that offensive, right? So don't say that about others. Which is exactly what you're doing. Women are neither robots, nor objects for… | /r/seduction | 03/11/19 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Approached by a girl on a night outYour thinking is terribly messed up. Maybe get some therapy. If you really think that way, I'll tell you, there used to be a place on Reddit where this kind of belief was seen as normal and endorsed, until it was taken down (correctly.) But there are other similar groups still around, if you need an echo-chamber. Seduction doesn't believe in this crap, that much is certain. At very least, your last statement is ridiculous. Obviously I've met tons of "average" and even "below average" looking guy… | /r/seduction | 03/11/19 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Approached by a girl on a night outThat's foolish, making assumptions like that. There's a 5-letter word for that kind of thinking. And besides, if a woman is 5'0" to 5'2", a guy at 5'9" is more than tall enough for her. Think a little bit, alright? | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 05:36 AM |
| 1 | Approached by a girl on a night outThat's not true. And it's not even true the conventional knowledge of "most women having infinite options" while only very few men relatively have the same level of choice, etc. All of that is false. Women don't "just have to look a little bit cute" and have access to any guy they want. Where did you get that? It's not true. If you guys are thinking objectively, using "hard data" as you claim--with that bullshit OKCupid study, for instance--you're forgetting the human element. Women can't "summo… | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 05:34 AM |
| 0 | According this video, all you need to do to get laid is forget about getting laid and instead focus on pursuing your passions.How is it you had all those advantages and didn't get anything from it? What could be said about the lesser-abled autistic guys like myself, in his 30s, with none of your advantages? I can't even become muscular, I have a super-thin build; I'm only 5'9" height; I can't socialize in groups, while you led a band. No real career, because I can't work in public. So I mean... if a guy like you didn't do well... what can we say? At any rate, I can't take this loneliness any longer. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 05:11 AM |
| 2 | Did 2 cold approaches today, 1 rejection and 1 phone number...here to report back to anxious fucks like meI don't want to think about that "person" anymore. She basically replied to me saying she's with a "9/10 guy" and so on. It is disturbing to think about, while I sit here expecting to be a virgin for my entire life. The privilege going on there, the 'for-granted' attitude... not healthy to think about. | /r/seduction | 02/11/19 04:13 AM |
| 1 | Hopefully it's all overrated?But she was just out of a relationship Oh man... were you the rebound? Branching off from that as well the related points we've made--and with my own conflicts and hypocrisies acknowledged, by necessity--is there anything within the world of romantic/sensual relationships that isn't governed by cynicism? Where is the "genuineness" I always thought was there... but, with the onset of time, seems like more of a myth? Dude I cannot accept yet that there are rigid equations that predict what can/wil… | /r/seduction | 31/10/19 04:29 AM |
| 2 | Did 2 cold approaches today, 1 rejection and 1 phone number...here to report back to anxious fucks like meI agree with you, and you agree with me. I'd like to say "we good" but... how is it you found this little comment of mine, well after a month that it was posted? Just curious. Now, I've seen endless examples of what I said there. As an autistic man who has only been treated with disrespect and indifference, I've had to sit back and watch as this debacle continues. In other words, I can only sit back and watch as this imbalanced dynamic between the genders gets worse all the time. It would be har… | /r/seduction | 31/10/19 04:14 AM |
| 1 | Being forward on TinderIt's a great post, man. I'm going to go ahead and say I'm sure some of these women are straightforward and want an established relationship before anything else. And I mean including other places, like OKCupid, Reddit, and so on. I suppose the other question is if 30+ would be into that, or if that's more the "relationship-only" crowd. I'm a 30+ guy with mild autism, somewhat disabled by it, and so it's like I'm living 15 years behind everyone else. Only now gotten to the point where in theory, … | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 05:05 AM |
| 1 | Hopefully it's all overrated?I'd like it if you could examine this quote from my post, and help me figure out what's going on there: I've also seen plenty of this "I had sex a couple times and regret all of it, it was terrible, and now I don't care, don't want it anymore" -- while I wonder, what exactly is that all about. I've seen this very often from other guys with social disadvantages. I'm trying to figure out what is the common link, there, if any. Maybe it's just random. I dunno man. And I've spent a week travelling w… | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 04:57 AM |
| 1 | Need to get laid ASAPGuys with Asperger's have a lot of trouble here, unfortunately. It doesn't mean you can't, but it does mean it's that much more difficult for you. So, lower all expectations and standards. This is me without the usual filter, so it may come across rudely or too blunt. But then, I have Asperger's too, so you know why I'm like this. I mean, look at it this way. If you could have a guy with swagger, sharp wit, leadership quality... any day of the week. Why would you pass that up? Those are the guys… | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Hopefully it's all overrated?What is not shown in porn and is the center piece of sex, is the connection between two human beings. During sex, you're deeply yourself. It's the connection, when it happens, that is beautiful. And often regrets come when there was not that emotional link between them. Maybe that's been shown, and it maybe hasn't. I just realized that some of these amateur videos I've seen many times appear to show a lot of chemistry between the couple. And look, I can't lie... it's just very intoxicating to se… | /r/seduction | 28/10/19 04:35 AM |
| 1 | Traits that make you attractive to womenCan a guy be past 30 and an autistic loser, and have any chance in the game? It's maybe a redundant, silly question. But there's got to be an entrance for that guy, somewhere. | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Being forward on TinderErm, let me ask you this. What about the many who say things like "no hook-ups, this is ONLY about relationships for me." And then some who go further into this: "I only want a connection, tragic as that may sound. Don't think I'm playing hard to get. I'm done with casual, I'm over that." The question is how to determine what should be taken face-value, and what is more shades of grey. | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 06:07 AM |
| 1 | Getting over insecurities about invisible health problemsCan a guy with average looks and no charisma, learn charisma? Although I'm a guy with a social disability. I guess that means it's not possible... | /r/seduction | 27/10/19 06:02 AM |
| 1 | How much does a broken/disabled life affect your game?I appreciate all the advice. For right now, though, I would like to ask how you deal with the envy and frustration of missing out, which tends to be common for a lot of guys generally (in terms of relationships or sensuality)... but even worse for guys with genuine difficulties, like autism in this case. I'm starting to even avoid places where other folks congregate because I can't stand to notice those patterns which really get to me. To put it simply, "Shad" gets all the attention. And watchin… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 05:06 AM |
| 2 | If you can't go without porn/fap for 90 days, you have an addictionCan you tell me more about your disability? You should check out Stephen Hawking, he was married twice! I would have no trouble telling you more. But judging by your second statement, to me it seems as if you don't grasp the ramifications of an invisible disability. For guys like me, I'm afraid there is no empathy or understanding to be found, the assumption is that the low value behavior is a choice... which is often wrong. I end up in a kind of "middle ground," or no-man's land, where there re… | /r/seduction | 26/10/19 04:33 AM |
| 1 | No experience = no confidence, and no confidence = no experienceI disagree that the idea, when joining activities, is "just" to improve social skills. He could be going there to pick-up chicks, in a manner of speaking. I mean, why not? It's very possible that one could join these clubs/activities and find a partner there. Now, it's true that women these days (especially in "meetups") are aware that many guys are there with a "conflicted interest"; but at the same time, it doesn't mean that they would automatically turn down a quality guy, you see? (And you d… | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 05:11 AM |
| 1 | No experience = no confidence, and no confidence = no experienceYou become what you think you are. You also become what you know you are. In my case, a genetic loser because of autism and other factors. I can't compete in life, in ANY capacity at all. I can't ever offer a relationship; there's also "flings" as they call it, but that kind of deal happens for Shad only who can coast on looks or social finesse. The rest of us have to be "ambitious" provider-types with emotional intelligence. If you're neither, and cannot be either... what's left? Nothing. It's … | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 05:00 AM |
| 1 | If you can't go without porn/fap for 90 days, you have an addictionI think its an addiction when you'd always rather watch porn than go pickup. If you're a guy who cannot expect to participate in anything related to "pick-up," what option do you have? Although you might have to define "pick-up" as it's a bit open-ended. I don't think approaching is realistic for me (see further on.) In theory I could attend hobby clubs but I'm certain I would not find anyone there interested, nor in any other venue--I mean I'm a disabled autistic guy in his 30s. Bars and clubs … | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 04:48 AM |
| 3 | If you can't go without porn/fap for 90 days, you have an addictionThe less i watch porn, the less i want sex. Kinda weird, it's just as if my mind would just move onto something else like work or stuff. I've noticed the same exact thing. These days I'm being extremely careful to limit "consumption" of these things, as well the implied activity. Because I've found that porn can have noticeable destructive effects, it can lead to more objectification than usual, more "desperation" for the real thing. The activity itself compounds these effects, along with lessen… | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 04:38 AM |
| 2 | No experience = no confidence, and no confidence = no experienceYou can also date quiet cute chicks who appreciate a chill fling, though. They're around. | /r/seduction | 24/10/19 04:15 AM |
| 1 | No experience = no confidence, and no confidence = no experienceOkay, so then I assume you've been with Thots. May I ask, what is your general approach (other than "being a man") to attracting Thots? You're not specific enough. | /r/seduction | 23/10/19 05:32 AM |
| 1 | No experience = no confidence, and no confidence = no experienceI mean, someone above suggested that this guy should "practice on women he finds unattractive." I'm looking at that and saying to myself, it's not only offensive, it is simply wrong. Because you are essentially "using someone" for your needs without even being interested. The deception behind that, as well as the likelihood of a poor experience... not sure about that. As for escorts, personally I find that to be like "standing still" because the other person has a conflict of interest. Mutual in… | /r/seduction | 23/10/19 05:28 AM |
| 1 | No experience = no confidence, and no confidence = no experienceI read what you wrote with envy, like some of the others here. Now I read your explanation, I'm not sure what to think. I think you must be socially advanced by default, which is a huge advantage. Some of us, though--are generally "regressed" in most ways. My reason is I always led a sheltered life, but even beyond that, I am autistic with multiple deficits related to that. So I'm in my upper 30s with no experience with women. And I cannot work in the public sphere. I can only work for myself an… | /r/seduction | 23/10/19 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Almost two weeks ago, I got broken up with. But I’m working to get him backI think you missed an important subtext here. And to be honest, I'm not sure why this is even posted here... no judgment, but... it's very unorthodox | /r/seduction | 23/10/19 05:14 AM |
| 1 | How do people get girls they meet online to fly over to meet them is beyond me."Treat with respect" sounds like White-Knight stuff, to me. Not saying you are one, but I actually got a white knight once, privately, to admit that he knew exactly what he was doing, and that he did not literally believe all of it. He told me, "it's what they like to hear." I hate the dishonesty behind it, but... what can we say | /r/seduction | 23/10/19 04:29 AM |
| 1 | GO OUT THERE AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN!I recently did my 3rd IQ test earlier this year and to do those they do need a psychologist present. I did speak to him about results and what not and he said I was perfectly cognizant. I scored relatively high on my IQ test and I've never had any other of my doctors talk to me about autism or Aspergers at all. An IQ test on its own is not nearly sufficient to diagnose mild autism. Being perfectly cognizant or a "good score" does not rule it out, in the least bit. A lack of any doctors talking t… | /r/seduction | 23/10/19 04:14 AM |
| 1 | GO OUT THERE AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN!I've had compliments from men but I've never had any compliments from women though. Which is the ironic part. Do you remember a user by the name of "saucy-awesome"? That person is a woman I know on another forum. She told me that you looked good and you would be dateable in her eyes. So, you're wrong about that. Well my doctors say that I'm not on the spectrum or anything like that. I only asked them because my little cousin is and someone on this sub asked me as well so I thought I'd ask my doc… | /r/seduction | 22/10/19 04:33 AM |
| 1 | No Porn, No Masturbation, and No Orgasm Will Increase Your Success With WomenI've got to be honest here. The more I read from this guy, the stranger it gets. Nothing makes sense about this guy. That's the point I'm making here. He is a complete enigma to me. Nothing against him, but I'm puzzled... | /r/seduction | 22/10/19 04:11 AM |
| 1 | How to tell if a girl wants to talk to you after you approach.I think you get it. Now let's help spread the word. RP and EvoPsych schools of thought cause self-loathing and even hatred, in some cases. Younger men especially can be vulnerable to this and it's an impossible trap to get out of, once you're caught in its icy grip. And the principles don't even apply in practice, half the time. | /r/seduction | 22/10/19 04:04 AM |
| 1 | What are the best pickup bootcamps out there?I've just seen too many men that are ugly, fat, 39 year old virgins, you name it learn how to get success with women Just came across this post accidentally. I'm not the first two there, but I am approaching that age and still a virgin. If you were literal enough, I would welcome your advice (if it's not escorts.) My difficulty is I cannot pull my own weight, due to autism and the related issues (anxiety, attention problems, inertia) I'd like to think--given my looks haven't aged terribly, despi… | /r/seduction | 21/10/19 06:56 AM |
| 1 | How to tell if a girl wants to talk to you after you approach.I still don’t know what your point is in this post, trying to prove RSD wrong, or asking a question. What are you trying to tell us specifically? I think the problem is he's mostly about the "LMS" school of thought. He appears to hint toward that. But that has long since been debunked. You don't need status or money to have a realistic chance in the game. The RP will say otherwise, of course, but don't listen to them. Those guys have no understanding of the grey-scale aspects of game. They'd rat… | /r/seduction | 21/10/19 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Has anyone here lost a sexual drive after series of disappointed dates, and felt like giving on dating for good?I'm mostly about money. You don't need the one, to get the other. That's a slippery slope into EvoPsych territory--partly right at best, nonsense at worst--if that's what you're thinking there. For your own security and well-being, sure. But don't expect it will give you access to a "higher class" of women. And if it does, there's a good chance they wouldn't be there for you, but for the extra paper. | /r/seduction | 21/10/19 06:06 AM |
| 1 | GO OUT THERE AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN!Well I can tell you that it's not about your looks. I know you claim your looks are the entire problem with you, but many others have seen your picture to say you look good (men, and women.) So I'm taking their word for that. I know this advice may sound strange given I'm older than you and have fewer prospects in all possible ways, so the advice could sound hollow, but what I've seen from you is almost what I saw from myself 10 years ago. Your problem is this: There's a drastic lack of insight … | /r/seduction | 21/10/19 05:45 AM |
| 0 | Guys I fucked up so hard todayFrankly, I don't think he even had to be that transparent, but he was, and it still worked out for him. He just briefly explained in a confident, 'I don't really care either way' / amused tone, and then asked her out on the spot. This guy was probably full of advantages, and you may have conveniently omitted that part. Would it have worked if the guy talking to her was 5'9", average looks, somewhat autistic, a loser who cannot socialize much because of his difficulty? And so on? Let us acknowled… | /r/seduction | 19/10/19 05:17 AM |
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