This might be a reach, but it is something I have been pondering for a long time. I believe it directly relates to MGTOW. Feel free to tear apart the arguments, or agree with certain areas. Let me know what you think, TI1492.
Can you perceive it? Can you meditate on it? Most importantly, can you converse about it? Here we stand, again, on the cusps of another substantial spiritual transformation. In the progressive evolution of mankind, we often face growing pains in the forms of extreme malevolence and pure benevolence. Mankind does not have to contemplate long about our recent history to see that our species is capable of such extreme atrocities, while also possessing the propensity for true altruism, or rather magnificent displays of the human spirit. But in the struggle to move forward into ever expanding and abstract domains of reality, we often disregard what has kept us anchored to our humanity. It is disheartened to see that we, as a society, have to once again contend with the ideas of Capitalism and Communism. Have we changed so much as a society in the past three decades that our predecessor’s experiments mean so little in the debate of societal structure for the future? The ideological skirmishes of the previous century should have taught Western Society outright that Cultural Marxism is economically and morally unjust. If you want to discuss a real, concrete miracle, the human race surviving the 20th century is a prime illustration. Just because the predominance of global nuclear annihilation has been put to bed, does not mean this ideological conflict is over or lacks the ability to trigger new apocalyptic challenges.
So, what exactly brought us back to this point? How have we become so divided in political discourse? How have Westerners become so radicalized? I’m not entirely sure, but I truly believe it has to do with our interconnectedness through information technology. This novel and extreme level of interdependence through the internet, has transformed us into completely different beings. Organisms that have entirely different perceptions of the aggregate world. As Elon Musk has said before, “We’re already Cyborgs”, our smartphones are a direct extension of ourselves, with the capability to access the entire digital archive of human knowledge… And each other. The realms we occupy are no longer limited to physical and spiritual, but also digital. If we think about it, we’ve registered a digital spirit of ourselves online through the form of social media, messages, and everything else we do online. If you’ve navigated and interacted with this structure long enough, your very essence is lingering around this global system of interconnected computer networks.
Computer networks, which were initially used for strictly computational means, are now serving increasingly abstract and complex means. Take religion for example, there are many reasons why the religious teachings such as Christianity are no longer held in such high esteem universally. One of which I would say is our technological interconnectedness. Why seek a religious assembly, when you can consult a collective form of humanity? One that includes perspective from all forms of spirituality reaching from Christianity to Satanism to Buddhism? The answers are often more illuminating and enlightening (not to mention faster), due to a range of unique and authentic experiences. So, what does this have to do with Communism? Well, when discussing online, especially in anonymity, does our gender particularly matter? Does our social status matter? Quality counsel comes in many forms. Well, what exactly does matter online? Especially with questions relating to the self? I’d say the ability to substantiate abstractions to your readers, matter most. However, there is a significant problem with consulting the collective, it has to be distributed and free. If the internet remains to provide quality insight from all walks of life, I believe in full form, that it is the new collective conscious, it is to be the technological form. It must be protected and preserved, for the symphony of the technological collective conscious cannot ring true without full expression of each segment.
The tension in Western Society is rising between Capitalism and Communism because we’ve reached a pivotal moment as a society, this is the moment where we define the gender of the human spirit. Is it Androgynist or Masculine and Feminine? If we are truly equal, our spirit must be equal? Right? It seems that the battle between Capitalism and Communism has been masked under the guise of Androgynist against the Masculine/Feminine. You don’t have to dig very deep into our movies, media, and music to see that this idea has been subconsciously pushed our way for a long time. A population who is increasingly similar would definitely be an easier populous to influence, especially if you had controls placed on the internet. Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your perspective, we are not all created equal in a biological and spiritual sense. Our bodies and minds have different reproductive and intellectual limitations, respectively. To push people towards equality by pushing them to become more Androgynistic, will cause irrevocable damage to all people. Men are not women. Women are not men. Our spirits are different and unique, never to be melded, but to be complemented.
I don’t think this forum or any conversation in the manosphere has to deal exclusively with sexual dynamics, but the dramatic change we see in gender subtleties and social stratification. How can an individual male or female en mass, enrage so quickly over a simple topic such as MGTOW? It’s because it represents the epitome of choice. More than that, it represents freedom of speech and assembly. If certain ideas of the internet are banned, blocked, or simply hidden - our choices are limited, as we do not know hidden options (MGTOW), our speech is compelled (as we were never taught how to think properly), and our assembly destroyed (as there is no place to meet). The worst part of it all, is that concepts such as this can be removed or hidden without any knowledge to the communal group whatsoever, that way, the collective is deliberately influenced in a particular direction. Seems to be that we have already reached that point to an extent, especially when we hear about the wage gap, the tyrannical nature of men, and how the future is female. If we truly wanted to protect our minds, we would protect our speech and assembly, which, now, clearly extends into the digital realm – because without deliberate speech and thought, we are nothing more than slaves.
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You're talking about a very, very small fraction of the population now. And that number gets smaller with every passing year. The amount of people who do not use some sort of smartphone, computer, tablet, or similar tech will be small enough to count as margin of error in a few more years. At least in the west.
OP's concerns and points are valid -this conversation is worth having, and people would be wise to have it.
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I think they are seen by the system as a non-threat. The powers that be know they are a dying breed, and nothing they do will realistically gain any traction.
You can't promote ideas any longer without the use of a screen. You can't build allies. You can't resist anything. So they realistically pose no threat.
Sure, they might make some noise here and there, but they will largely be ignored as harmless, because they will fade into obscurity with due time.
They are seen as irrelevant and incapable of enacting any sort of change, because that's largely true.
So what happens to them? They continue to exist their quiet, peaceful lives, mostly unaware of what's truly happening in the world. They won't really be targeted for eradication, because they'll just die off on their own pretty soon.
The marxist/communist 2.0 system cares not for them in one way or another.
Those people might still be subjected to the overall outcome, and effected in numerous ways, but nothing will happen to them specifically for ghosting technology. They might lose out on a job, because identity politics changed the rules. They might have to pay 3x their wage in child support, because a gynocentric system demands it. Hell, they might even get angry about this -but they will not cause any measurable harm to the apparatus, so they'll just be left in the dusty pages of some re-written history.
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Yep, pretty much. Ghosting it all is becoming a little bit of a fad, but ultimately I don't think it will have any lasting impact on society as a whole.
Far too many people are plugged into the system, that millions could go off to live an actual life and not do any damage to the machine.
You'll see things like "homesteaders" becoming a niche trend. The people who are practicing self-sufficiency as a hobby are, I think, mostly doing it as a way to escape the modern "civilized world". Some MGTOW are part of that niche.
I think even then, some of them still have at least some small presence in the connected world.
Hell, I like to think I'm one of them. I still visit reddit (specifically this sub, and a small handfuls of others). Got off social media a few years ago, though. Only use my smartphone for work related things. I don't understand half of the gadgets and gizmos that are out now (things like home automation devices).
Overall, I live a pretty simple life. I cut trees with my chainsaw for firewood. I haul the wood home in my pickup and split it by hand. I don't have television. I still read the occasional newspaper. My coffee is made in a tin percolator that belonged to my grandfather, instead of being ordered up through some app for pickup at starcucks. When I come home, I sit on my laptop and write. Often I end up here.
When I'm not writing, I'm reading a book. If I'm not at home in my free time, I'm typically in the forest or in my canoe. I hunt, fish, and grow a garden. I can much of my food to last me through the lean winter months. I do not require fancy "things", and my home is largely utilitarian and minimal.
That said -I am still far, far from being in what I consider to be a "safe" spot. It's incredibly difficult to unplug completely from the things that are fucking us up. Even if you try your best, there's often at least one or two things you'll still use. A couple of devices or services you'll hop onto.
I actually envy the fuck out of people who have "ghosted technology" completely, because they have been able to figure out how to live through conventional means, and likely were raised in that setting. Anyone who is part of "normal" culture, and was born sometime in the last 50 years, more specifically the last two generations, has essentially been raised with technology and has not been taught the necessary skills required to survive without it.
You can teach yourself most of those skills, but you're starting at a disadvantage and might not even truly master any of them. And even then, if you grew up with technology, you'll still have a difficult time completely getting rid of it.
I wish I could get on the level of people who have successfully ghosted the screens, and often strive for it -but at the end of the day, I'm happy and content with finding a balance. I'm okay with admitting I use technology and some forms of interconnected services, because I also know that I limit it and can recognize the patterns of dependence.
At some point in the distant future, though, your last link is likely to be a reality.
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