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James Behan, spokesperson for men’s rights group Men’s Voices Ireland, talks about discrimination against men in family law courts, education and wider society. But are his points undermined by a group making false claims about the level of false rape accusations?

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July 25, 2016
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http://blog.hereshow.ie/2016/07/heres-how-44-james-behan-of-mens-voices-ireland/?ref=reddit
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Title James Behan, spokesperson for men’s rights group Men’s Voices Ireland, talks about discrimination against men in family law courts, education and wider society. But are his points undermined by a group making false claims about the level of false rape accusations?
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Date July 25, 2016 8:34 AM UTC
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[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Analysis of Campbell Article, Part 1

Archive of OP's linked article: http://archive.is/OJojU

TLDR: OP's article (authored by a certain Campbell) erroneously implies an Irish MRA, Behan, and an (Irish?) MR website, MensVoices2016, use false data.

Campbell is wrong.

Campbell appeared to intially blame Behan (later clarified as not responsible) for the MensVoices2016.com site's "claim that 90 per cent of rape allegations in Spain are false".

There are a considerable number of studies showing false rape claims to be in the 40% to 50% range, and at least one other study has shown 90% (Stewart). Thus the Spanish study cited by the site is not "false", but its inordinately high number bears as close examination as those claiming the inordinately low number of "2% to 10%".

The most common error among the low estimates is the mistake of taking the typical 10% provably false for the actual false figure, when it is simply a lower bound; that is, at least 10% of accusations are false.

When the criterion is likely (rather than provably) false, the number rises considerably, including:

  • multiple McDowell Studies finding the clearly false figure to be 27% and the likely false figure to be 52%
  • two Kanin studies finding 40% and 50% false respectively
  • former Colorado prosecutor Silverman's estimate of 35% (sometimes cited as 45%) false.
  • former NY prosecutor Fairstein's admission of 50% false.
  • fBI figures that 25-36% of DNA samples submitted to it by police do not match.

Campbell attempts to substitute the figures of 0.6%, 2%-2.5%, and 8% as the number of false complaints, when instead they represent (and even under-estmate) those provably false.

Campbell also includes - as if Behan's fault - an assertion that the MensVoices2016 website lied in claiming that, in Ireland, "at least nine per cent of rape cases are provably false". But the very study to which Campbell links states clearly, in its section on Ireland, on p. 78:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.473.8230&rep=rep1&type=pdf

A high proportion, compared to other countries, were designated false reports (9%).

In fact, in the section on Ireland beginning on p. 71, the report states:

Over three quarters of suspects were identified and the majority were interviewed. However, despite fairly low case attrition at the early stages of the legal process, only 18 suspects were charged, with 16 referred for trial. Among the 51 cases which were discontinued between the stages of suspect interview and charge were 13 (25%) where the victim had a mental health problem, which is a little higher than in the Irish sample as a whole (18%). In 45 cases (88% of 51), discontinued at this point, the victim had consumed alcohol, which is again slightly higher than in the sample overall (78%), and in 41 (80%) the suspect had consumed alcohol, which is also a higher proportion than among suspects in the whole sample (60%). In the majority (61%, n=31) the reason for not proceeding was insufficient evidence, and in most of the remainder (25%, n=13) it was the victim’s decision to retract, withdraw co-operation or decline to complete initial processes.

In other words, in Ireland, accusations discontinued before charge had a heavy component of "insufficient evidence" and various forms of retraction, indicating MensVoices2016 correct in taking the 9% figure to represent a minimum false figure.

Similar figures (9% deemed provably false, 34% "victim" withdrawal, 34% insufficient evidence) are also given in the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre's summary:
http://www.drcc.ie/2009/04/new-comparative-research-of-11-european-countries-including-ireland-highlights-the-low-levels-of-rape-cases-proceeding-to-court/.

So, Campbell is wrong in implying Behan or the MensVoices2016 website falsified their reports of the data.

Thus Campbell is either dishonest or incompetent and is certainly a male feminist of no consequence. Nobody should be demonised or called a liar for citing any study, rather than simply criticising the faulty methodology of the study itself. Nor should anyone be demonised just because the critic cannot read. Campbell's article chose to misrepresent Behan and MensVoices2016 rather than examine the data carefully.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Analysis of Campbell Article, Part 2

Indeed, the extent of Campbell's incompetence is shown by the fact that just now it took me only a few seconds to confirm the valid origin of the MensVoices2016 90% claim.

Campbell erroneously asserts a MensVoices2016 "claim that 90 per cent of rape allegations in Spain are false".

But MensVoices2016 correctly states that "up to 90%" of abuse (DV/IPV) complaints under the Spanish Law on Gender may be false.
www.mensvoices2016.com/false-allegations-of-child-abuse-and-rape.html

Contrary to Campbell, MensVoices2016 does not state these are rape claims; MensVoices2016 correctly states that they are abuse claims under the infamous Spanish Law on Gender. Even Spanish advocacy groups admit that data from the Spanish Government itself confirm the 90% figure to represent the percentage of abuse claims with no signs of violence.

Here is documentation in English:
http://justiciadegenero.com/en/analysis-of-8-years-of-gender-violence-law-in-spain/

ANALYSIS OF THE FIRST 8-YEARS OF THE SPANISH LAW OF “GENDER VIOLENCE”. 2004 – 2012
Antonia M. Carrasco, President GenMad (Asociación de Víctimas de la Ley de Violencia de Género Madrid) and Marisa Culebras, President Feminist Association for Equality (FEMII).

Actual statistics: In the seven years since the law was implemented, the Women’s Courts have processed 963,471 criminal cases against men, of which just 10% (101,900) related to cases where signs of violence could be seen."

In Spanish, one source (Domingo González Alonso) states his study's conclusion that 80% of accusations under the law are outrightly false:
http://www.larazon.es/historico/900-espana-en-el-punto-de-mira-de-europa-por-las-falsas-denuncias-de-malos-tratos-MLLA_RAZON_307941

Para Domingo González Alonso, portavoz de la Asociación Ambos, organización que trabaja por la igualdad de género, la realidad es cristalina. Según los datos de su último estudio, «cerca de un 80 por ciento de las denuncias por violencia de género son falsas».

Campbell needed simply Google:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ley+genero+denuncias+falsas

Feminists will deliberately cite the figure of .006% convictions as representing all false abuse accusations under the Spanish law:
http://www.abogacia.es/2015/11/25/violencia-sobre-la-mujer-por-razon-de-genero-versus-denuncias-falsas/

Of course, what goes around, comes around: The Spanish minister responsible for the infamous law once said false accusations were a tolerable cost of the law. He has since been hoist on his own pétard - accused of domestic abuse of his ex-wife:
http://noticias.lainformacion.com/espana/el-ministro-que-impulso-la-ley-de-violencia-de-genero-victima-de-una-denuncia-falsa-por-malos-tratos_rpW5v4GFSSQYZm5BI6B6X/
http://www.islandconnections.eu/1000003/1000003/0/45246/canary-islands-article.html

Campbell mis-quotes the FBI and Crown Prosecution similarly:

  • He cites Crown prosecutions of false rape accusations as if the figure for actual false accusations.
  • He cites the FBI Uniform Crime Reports of 8% "cleared as unfounded", as if the figure for actual false accusations. This ignores the substantial number of likely false accusations among the remaining 92% cleared by exception and cleared by arrest.

Every criticism by Campbell of Behan and MensVoices figures turned out to have been wrong. Every figure claimed by Campbell turned out to have been wrongly represented.

Campbell's mis-representation, whether arising from dishonesty or from incompetence, make him ill-placed either to demonise Behan and MensVoices2016 or to present himself as a reliable or impartial analyst of gender issues.

[–]GJGGJGGJG[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be clear, I challenged James on the statement on their website that in Ireland "at least nine per cent of rape cases are provably false", emphasis in the original, and the website gave its source as a newspaper snippet which referred to a particular academic study.

The bottom line is that neither the newspaper nor the study support the quote that was on their website, since removed, although it was still there at the time the interview was done.

This was the prominent claim in one of the group's six policies. It would have been ludicrous not to challenge them on it.

If you had actually listened to the podcast you would have heard that I also discussed several of their other policies uncontentiously, because I had researched their claims and found them substantially true.

[–]Mens-Advocate -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

There were no false claims. The citation simply reported a study whose methodology needs analysis. Other studies have also reported high rates of false rape allegations, from 40% to 90%:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

Campbell is obviously a gelded white knight attempting not only to deny the ubiquity of false rape accusations but to advance ludicrously low numbers for false rape accusations and also to shut up and demonise any MRAs with whom he disagrees.

[–]GJGGJGGJG[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Their website references approvingly an unsourced Youtube video that claims that 90 per cent of rape allegations in Spain are false. You may think that is credible; I'll leave that for the readers to decide. http://blog.hereshow.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/mens_voices_website.png

The claim that in Ireland "at least nine per cent of rape cases are provably false" was not supported in the link to the newspaper snippet given, or in the academic study it reported.

James Behan has been in touch to clarify that he was not responsible for putting these claims on the MVI website and to distance himself from them.

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