If you support forcefully cutting up a defenseless kid's dick, then you support cutting up a defenseless adult's dick. This is a Man's Rights issue!

myhandleonreddit · 2008-11-24T07:43:38+00:00

I think I hate this subreddit more and more every day.

bustlinSlug · 2008-11-24T03:38:21+00:00

I don't want my kid(s) to be circumsised either. But if I wanted to be told what to do, I'd join the 'tell me what to do' club. Get the fuck off my reddit Mr. Foreskin.

MrForeskin · 2008-11-24T01:50:46+00:00

If you're circumcised or have circumcised boys, you shouldn't just support it blindly. Please open your mind and do some reading. There is a lot more to the foreskin than this comment provides.

Virtually all men in the world are intact (not circumcised), including animals. The foreskin is not an anomaly that must be removed. Anybody (male or female) that is circumcised is abnormal in all but a handful of countries that still perpetuate this backward, barbaric, irrational practice.

Millions of years of evolution no doubt resulted in the selection of the sexual mechanism that maximizes sexual pleasure. Hence, it is understandable that circumcision (genital mutilation) increases the risk of sexual dysfunction.

It is without doubt that circumcision increases the risk of psychological sexual dysfunction. A man, who is unhappy with his foreskin, can elect to undergo a circumcision. A man, who was forcefully circumcised as a child, has no physical recourse.

Physically, the foreskin doesn't just provide more sensitivity----it provides enhanced sensitivity. The foreskin provides the brain with more information, giving the man better control (reducing premature ejaculation) and a more satisfying sexual experience. Moreover, there are more opportunities for sexual play when a foreskin is present (many circumcised men have no mobile shaft skin). To remove the foreskin is to rob a man of a significant portion of his sexual experience and it changes the very mechanics of sex, because skin is no longer mobile along the penis.

Moreover, 8 out 10 women prefer coitus with an uncircumcised penis, so you are robbing women too.

But don't you have reduced risk of infection from certain STDs and penile cancer?

Why not remove one breast from each baby girl in order to reduce the risk of breast cancer? After all, breast cancer is more prevalent than any of the problems wrongly blamed on the foreskin.

Besides, you are suggesting that circumcision allows---maybe even compels--people to engage in unsafe sexual practices; would not many circumcised men take offense that you have prejudged their actions?

Circumcision is so common in the U.S. though. Surely, it's not so dramatic.

Oh, it is quite dramatic, especially psychologically. Many men feel betrayed by their parents and they suffer a sense of loss---or worse, they suffer physical complications such as skin bridges/tunnels, skin that's so tight it breaks and/or bends the erect penis, and even death. Many men must push through these thoughts and comlications in order to find joy in their sexual relationships. I imagine it would be better for these men never to find out what happened to them; but, how is this solution moral?

What is the function of the male foreskin?

from mgmbill.org: The male foreskin performs a number of functions. First, it directly enhances sexual pleasure via specialized erogenous nerve endings such as the frenulum, the ridged band, and stretch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. The foreskin also serves to protect the moist, mucous membrane of the glans (the "head" of the penis) and the inner foreskin from outside elements, similar to the way the female foreskin protects the clitoris. When the foreskin is removed, the penis is transformed from an internal organ into an external one, initiating a desensitizing process known as keratinization. Keratin is a tough, skin-like substance similar to a callus that forms on top of the nerve endings of the glans, resulting in significant loss of sexual sensitivity. The foreskin also provides a gliding mechanism during sexual intercourse that reduces friction and locks in moisture, acting as a natural lubricant. The foreskin provides a number of other important functions as well.

No one's complained to me yet, at least.

Do colorblind people know to complain? They only recognize their deficiency when they come across people who can enjoy more colors---and the earlier the circumcision, the greater the loss of 'perception' due to lifelong keratinization and the excision of still-developing tissue.

Being circumcised has never bothered me; I have a pretty good orgasm.

It never bothered you, because you haven't suffered the complications of a needless, elective surgery; think of those, who are less fortunate.

Also, it's never bothered you, because you haven't really known that it should; a colorblind individual isn't bothered until he fully realizes he is deficient---of course, some may still not care. Spend some time researching the subject, and your attitude is likely to change.

In any case, it's not the orgasm itself that is directly affected---it is the entire sex act. Circumcision changes the mechanics of sex (with or without a partner) and removes a 'layer' of pleasure.

The simple fact is not under debate: Men enjoy their foreskins---If you don't have one, you can't enjoy it.

I was circumcised at age 25 - sex was awesome before, sex is still awesome now.

When the penis is circumcised as an infant, still-developing tissue is removed, so it's not really a fair comparison.

Also, the glans (head of the penis) dries out and hardens to protect itself even more so, so the comparison is even more invalid.

Also, how were you circumcised, tightly or do you still have skin that is somewhat mobile? Have you developed skin bridges or tunnels or hair on the shaft?

The fact of the matter is, men enjoy their foreskins---they enjoy the various sexual acts that are only possible with a foreskin, and they enjoy the way it feels to play with it. There is no need for a scientific study to prove this, because there is nothing to debate. Men enjoy their foreskins. If you don't have a foreskin, you don't get to enjoy it.

The skin on the circumcised penis is still mobile.

Not always! Many men have tighter circumcisions---something that is completely up to the discretion of the circumciser. The mechanics of the penis can be very much changed by circumcision.

If you are circumcised and your shaft skin is still fairly mobile, you're probably luckier, because your circumicision was less damaging than it could have been.

Why can't men be convinced of the facts?

otakucode:

The people who say those things are people who do not have the ability to regard their personal experience as anything but the universal unfettered truth. They know that they have SOME sexual pleasure, so they conclude that guys with intact foreskins must not be able to have any more. They know guys who are circumsized who enjoy sex, so they conclude that the foreskin must be useless. When they hear that the foreskin has more nerve endings and that circumcision results in desensitization of the glans, instead of rejecting their personal ideas and deferring to science as they SHOULD, they just ignore it and hold even more militantly to their ideas, claiming that science is bunk. It's yet another symptom of the widespread and rampant anti-intellectualism that has gripped the globe for the past several decades.

piorelle:

This is terrible. I had no idea my genitals had been mutilated as a youth...Of course I have never seen a difference in my quality of life without the foreskin, cause it is all I know.

Show me proof of these things!

hopeless_case:

I have also noticed that in circumcision debates any attempt to claim that uncircumcised men enjoy a fuller sexual experience are met with the challenge to prove that that is true. When it is pointed out that the foreskin is endowed with a much higher density of specialized nerve endings not found in normal skin, the response then becomes: prove that those nerve endings actually contribute to a fuller sexual experience.

I have thought of the following reply.

I believe it is well known that a significant fraction of uncircumcised men enjoy the manipulation of their foreskin by their partners. By circumcising an infant, you are denying the adult they will mature into a category of stimulation that a significant number of men find arousing and enjoyable.

That a significant number of men, even a majority, might not find that category of experience interesting or even ever discover it during their sex lives still gives no one the right to deny a man the right to decide for themselves, as adults, which types of sexual experience they will value.

I'm a mother and I had my child circumcised, so I can't support leaving the penis intact.

Just because you had your son circumcised doesn't mean that you must blindly support the procedure; it is ok to make mistakes. Use this knowledge to inform other mothers-to-be.

Provide your husband with information, because both your husband and son are humans and deserve to know the truth.

What, are you trying to persecute Jews and Muslims?

NO! The goal is to protect children from needless elective surgery that removes useful tissue.

In particular, Islam doesn't require circumcision, and some interpretations of Judaism allow for the Bris Shalom ceremony that welcomes our boys into the world with Love instead of pain, fear, and later frustration.

Why does it bother you what other people decide to do?

You're missing the point. Somebody decided for someone else.

You're endorsing a mentality that jeopardizes your own rights, regardless of whether you have an intact penis.

Title	If you support forcefully cutting up a defenseless kid's dick, then you support cutting up a defenseless adult's dick. This is a Man's Rights issue!
Author	MrForeskin
Upvotes	7
Comments	7
Date	November 24, 2008 1:48 AM UTC (17 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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