Who needs "rape culture" ?

overcontrol · 2012-04-14T08:19:58+00:00

The idea of rape culture is just another way for feminists to make us feel guilty for crimes we have never committed or encouraged.

Embogenous · 2012-04-14T09:30:55+00:00

People do not care about smoking weed. Huge numbers of people do it, they don't go to absurd lengths to hide it.. it's widely accepted. Despite being illegal, of course. This is because people tend to not care about it, or don't see it as an issue (I'm for legalization, btw). When you discuss smoking in a way that implies it's not a problem; talking about how much you smoke it, or making jokes or whatever, then the social acceptability of it becomes greater. If nobody ever mentioned marijuana except to say how bad it is, then it's most likely the number of smokers would be fewer.

Now, let's apply the same logic to rape. The kind of rape where a girl is forcibly held down, the rapist knows he's a rapist; that isn't included here (though I'll mention it later). It's much more ambiguous settings that will be affected. When a girl really isn't into it but the guy keeps pushing; think of that stereotypical situation in movies, where they're in the car together and the guy won't get off. In those cases, the guy doesn't see himself as a rapist. Now, there are indeed many cases where the guy has done absolutely nothing wrong, or when the girl was enthusiastic at the time and regretted it the next day, but I'm not talking about those. These "going too far" situations are quite normalized, because they often aren't seen as rape; they aren't "real" rape, or they aren't expected to have any negative consequences. Changing social attitudes could cut down on these situations, because the mindset of the perpetrators would hopefully go from "it's just a bit of fun" to "holy shit I am currently raping somebody, I am a rapist".

Then there are slightly less ambiguous situations, where the perpetrator feels his actions are less important because of the circumstances. Because the girl is drunk (but non-consenting), she was flirting with him, she's dressed revealingly; none of these things make the rape any less serious, but some people feel they do, or feel that it wasn't really rape because she was asking for it/should have expected it. I have no idea how comon this attitude is and I'm sure feminists seriously overestimate the frequency, but it definitely exists.

In regards to non-ambiguous situations, I disagree with it. I think that rape is totally hated on, just like all other serious crimes. I hear jokes about murder a hell of a lot more than rape, but I never hear people talking about murder culture (which is probably because feminists view rape as a gendered issue where women are disproportionately the victims). I don't think that making a rape joke actually fosters an environment where people think that rape is okay, just like "dead baby" jokes don't make people feel better about killing their infants.

slurpeeme · 2012-04-14T09:00:00+00:00

Who needs rape culture? Rapists, duh.

Title	Who needs "rape culture" ?
Author	johntheother
Upvotes	11
Comments	13
Date	April 14, 2012 5:31 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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