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BBC article claims that female fertility falls later and slower than commonly accepted here. Is this hamstering?

Nemester

September 19, 2013
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Title BBC article claims that female fertility falls later and slower than commonly accepted here. Is this hamstering?
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Nemester

Upvotes 5
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Date September 19, 2013 7:07 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Nemester[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy crap. That is nuclear hamstering and far worse than I was actually going to guess. They excluded the infertile? I mean, women do gradually become infertile with age. Excluding this part of the sample is extremely misleading.

[–]DasWood -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I was wondering how the fuck the article and link to the report made any sense. According to the article 82% get pregnant, but breeding on the optimal day of ovulation every month for a year would be over 98% getting pregnant. Not only does that not make sense but over 2% of women are infertile by that time so it made even less sense.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

1) Just because you can freeze your eggs and deliver a kid when your 65 years old does not make it a good idea.

2) All recent studies point to an increased chance of complications for women 30+ as well as increased chance of birth defects (Cerebral Palsy, Autism, etc...). Why deal with a 40 year old cock carousel rider for creating your offspring when you can get a 25 year old hottie who probably wont deliver a kid with 'TEH STUPID'

3) Maybe 300 year old statistics are right in general? I'd say the odds are fertility rates have dropped across the board. This means that the choice between a 20 year old and a 40 year old for having kids is still a no brainer after 300 years.

Evolution cued us into seeking indicators of youth and fertility for 3+ million years. You think some bullshit from some woman who's hamstering is going to change what human males are evolutionary predisposed to?

[–]souriez 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not sure where the 3 million years number is coming from. Anatomically modern humans have only been around for 150,000-200,000 years.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really, I thought I read somewhere that humans were around on the planet for 2.5-3 million years. Even if it is only 150,000-200,000 years that's still a long time and honestly, our simian ancestors (chimpanzees or ape or what have you) had the same predisposition to youth and fertility for mating purposes

[–]Nemester[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that signs of fertility (youth) would have been attractive in pre-human ancestors. Much further back than 3 mill years. Of course, what traits showed that would have been wildly different in our rat like ancestors.

[–]FortunateBum -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Of course it's hamstering.

We have plenty of data on female fertility. Here a graph from the linked paper: http://imgur.com/0D3Yv6K

I've read lot of literature on this subject, and if you'd really like to know, well...

Female fertility peaks around 16. That's right six-fucking-teen. (Coincidence that this is the age of marriage?) It's all downhill from there. After age 35, the decline is steep. Menopause starts at around 35 as well. Some women can be fertile into their 40s, but post 35 you're risking a much greater risk of genetic defects.

I would say, just looking at the data, age 16-25 is a woman's sexual/health/fertility peak. But don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. Just so you know, however, this data is difficult to find sometimes because women obviously don't want it to exist.

Another data point, in the modeling world, 12 - 20 is the peak. So that's just after puberty.

[–]Nemester[S] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

16? Most things I have seen suggest ~25 for peak fertility.

Another factor to consider would be risk of miscarriage. I have read that very young girls are more likely to loose the baby even if they can get pregnant.

[–]FortunateBum -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

16? Most things I have seen suggest ~25 for peak fertility.

Just look at the graph. Obviously 25 is not peak fertility. Yes, I too have read this "25 is peak fertility" bullshit. It's not true according to any objective data

Another factor to consider would be risk of miscarriage. I have read that very young girls are more likely to loose the baby even if they can get pregnant.

Yes, that is something people frequently bring up. But the reason this is statistically true is because a good number of teen girls hide their pregnancies. When you control for irresponsible behavior, teen girls don't miscarry at higher rates, in fact, they have healthier babies. Look up the studies yourself, many have been done. I believe they will miscarry at lower rates as well when you control for irresponsible behaviors. Truth is, it's mostly lower class women having babies as teens. That creates a number of problems.

[–]Nemester[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I see an uncited graph.... Doesn't really have much impact in my mind about fertility rates.

Your proposition about irresponsible behavior and not age causing miscarriage seems entirely reasonable.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Nemester[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because brigading is only against the rules for us I think.

[–]Nemester[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Also, what is with the change to link/text post submission. I don't get the change to the wording. This pirate lingo confuses me.

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