Off-topic : this may be a good kind of post in /r/seduction. Cultural differences may not be that important, depending on where you live. But I can tell from reading your FRs and chatting with my americans fellow that in paris, it's a little bit different.

A little background on where I sarge

I and my wing (an American dude) went to saint germain, oberkampf and la bastille. In saint germain there are a lot of students, around 20. Oberkampf is for student too, but less bobos. La bastille was a sausage fest, nothing to see there. So night game in bars. We are starting to work together really well.

The types of sets

  • the party dudes (rare) : large sets, no girls, just partying together
  • the typical group of friends (lots!) : girls and dudes, all right
  • the 2 girl best friends (at least one per bar) : 2 girls going out, usually really close friends

Needless to say, we usually go for the 2 girls :)

** What needs to be adapted **

Kino. Unless in a club setting (where we grind like you guys), kino will come as too strong. It has to be fucking natural. You should not touch, for instance, her forearm when you make a joke or something. To prove that specific point:

  • 2nd date with HB7. She is smiling and extraverted all over the place. Not shy at all. For science, I try a fucking light kino on the hand. My excuse? "Your ring is funny, it looks like a watch" (It did). I sensed a bit of reluctance. Few minutes after, I touch her forearm that was in the middle of the table. She immediately went kind of scared, really light but I saw it in her eyes. Like "what is he doing". And it was or 2nd date. She's high quality, works a lot. If you wasn't interested, she wouldn't have agreed for a date right?

  • Two girls are waving at us from the balcony. We go upstairs. We laugh and all is good. I make a joke an again, for science, touch the forearm of HB8. Whilst she didn't say anything, for a second the kind of freezed and her eyes told me "wtf are you doing?".

The ladder is different... The first step is the shoulders and the legs. It feels natural if you walk side by side. If you sit side by side, like in a park, which happened to me dozen of time (take beers and go roots), your legs will touch and this little warm coming out of it will create comfort and it will work. So what I think is skin-to-skin touch is the last kino step. In my experience, if you are 1/ both comfortable touching each other skin (face, hands) and 2/ not in a clubbing setting (that's void here) => you might get laid. In any case that's fucking positive.

** What works better here **

I'd say, but take it with a bit of salt ... that negging and push/pull is actually good here. It's a big aspect of my natural game. It works for me because it filters the princess girls and/or gold diggers.

For instance I met HB9 lawyer student:

Me: "So what do you do?”

Her : "Lawyer blabla"

Me: "Lawyers are the evil! I would never date one" (grin)

Her: laughs. "Why?»

Me : "Corporate greed blabla... but the slutty business clothes are hot as hell." and light touch on shoulder.

This is still in the field, and needs to be tested.

** The game, here in Paris **

Few men have game. Lots of girls have game.

Girls here are smart (not saying there are not in the us... but the neighborhood we go to is hq), it's usually students in brilliant studies and whatnot. Guys are either with their friends chilling, in a huge set with their gf, or just creeping out girls.