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| – | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.Haha fair enough, and yeah that is a good attitude to have, I should do the same. It just gets exhausting day after day to see the same hateful dehumanizing shit wrapped up in moral self aggrandizement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 06:27 PM |
| – | I'm tired of the lying and the Gaslighting. Women approaching men has MORE advantages then if a guy approaches women.First time reading posts from feminists talking about men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/26 06:13 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Thank you. Unfortunately you and I are a minority in society, but hey, the more we talk about this, the faster we can get to actual equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 10:20 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I just think that this particular factor is NOT animalistic/reptile brain; it is logical and cortical. In the exact same way that it is logical and cortical for men to want women who are beautiful yes. And it's fair that you never said women aren't superficial, aodeyt hat wasn't aimed at you in particular, just the general belief out there in society. The faster we as a society can recognize that women and men are equally logical and equally superficial, we will all get along better. Again didn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 09:22 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean mention that because it's a scientifically proven fact that women care significantly more about wealth than men do. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X "We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women." It's not to say that wea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/26 08:23 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Completely agree with you. All those other values and personal quirks and other traits on top are both extremely important and need to be recognized and acknowledged too. It just doesn't erase the fact that we are basically evolved monkeys and the parts of our brain that lights up and make us aroused when seeing people of the sex/gender we desire, lights up for basal, animalistic, evolution-based reasons. We can and should care more about the emotional connection. But we can't pretend like what … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:22 PM |
| – | Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date?Look, I'm not saying rape doesn't happen to women. I'm not saying rape isn't horriffic. What I am saying is that rape happens to men TOO and men are ALSO victims of rape, but male victims of rape get constantly and consistently erased and dismissed. A lot of men do not report because they don't understand that they can be raped by women. And they are afraid no one will believe them. Or they get told to get over it because men can't get raped by women. And it'S traumatic for them to sit and tell … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:19 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I agree the formula can't fully explain it, but to say the formula can't explain anything at all is just flat out wrong. The formula can explain a lot of attraction, the question is whether the formula explains 25% or 75% of attraction or wahtever. Women often claim the formula explains 10%, when the reality shows us it's much closer to 60%. Most of what people (both men and women) say they like in a partner doesn’t automatically translate in a relationship with a person with those attributes. T… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Women are Not Entitled to Men's Credulity towards their "Lived Experiences" and Self-Reports Regarding Dating, Men, etc.The only place I find women not listening to men is this subreddit because they make sweeping statements such as women do not listen to them Feel free to ask the men in your life if they feel listened to by women at large when it concerns men's issues and women understanding what men are going through. Seriously? We listen but sometimes it is just too much. But see if a man says it's just too much, he's a sexist and misogynist and not trying hard enough. While if men say women don't listen enoug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/26 07:07 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Well yea, that's competence. Because a competent partner can ensure you and your kids will be fed and protected. AKA "My reptilian brain finds this male to be a suitable mate for reproduction due to his physical (and behavioural) qualities but my frontal lobe cannot allow me to know that because my self-concept depends on me thinking of myself as a rational, loving person above animalistic urges." I added the behavioural bit in there. Women are attracted to height, income, strength, status (soci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 07:17 AM |
| -6 | CMV: The non-red pills have the more inconsistent and incoherent views of gender because they don't understand the difference between positive rights and negative rightsChild support doesnt have to do with being a woman. You can get custody if you want and not pay child support. In theory, yes. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. In the US, fathers do not have equal rights to have access to their own children as mothers do, in 44 out of 50 states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shared_parenting_legislation | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 07:12 AM |
| 0 | Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date?I agree. Unfortunately men are less likely to recognize that they have been raped by women, are less likely to report being raped by a woman than women are likely to report being raped by a man, and men reporting being raped by women are less likely to be believed by the police and more likely to be re-traumatized. Men absolutely should report female rapists and abusers, and as a society we are failing male victims horribly. Unfortunately the single largest obstacle standing in the way of recogn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 04:06 AM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Yeah that was my bad, I meant Ted Bundy, not Jeffrey Dahmer, oops! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:46 AM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I am laser focused on a particular segment of women that seems to be growing and becoming a larger and larger majority. I'm happy to hear that's not your experience in dating, but that doesn't mean that something isn't happening just because it isn't happening to you. Our of curiosity what has your experience been like, what age group, and where? I think it's generally better in Europe than N America, and not as bad in Canada (where I am) than the US, but it's still rather bad up here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:45 AM |
| 0 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?It's surprising how many patriarchal gender norms feminists are more than happy with when it benefits women. I agree that it is toxic and that men don't have to pursue or settle for women like that, but unfortunately feminism seems to actively be pushing that kind of message, saying stuff like women don't need men and women are strong and independent now and men have to do better and step up their game. If you are not a toxic feminist like that I am happy to hear, but unfortunately it seems you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:44 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?That was my bad haha, I said Jeffrey Dahmer but I meant Ted Bundy, my bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:39 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Honestly, it's kind of hilarious often I see women try and disprove a point, and then prove that point in their very attempt to disprove it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:23 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?How would you know? You're not talking about behavior, you are talking about my inner thoughts, feelings and motivations, things you have no ability to know unless you're God or whatever. So thanks for proving my point for me lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:22 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I don't have to be a helicopter pilot to know that, if I see a helicopter stuck in a tree, something has gone wrong. Per how would I know, how would I know about what? That women use different values to judge men? Because they say so and demonstrate so. How would I know that men are more willing to lotically argue? Because most women so frequently fall back on as Kevin Samuels calls it the SIGN language, Shame, Insult, Guilt, and Need to be Right, that it's almost comical. Just like you're doing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:21 AM |
| 1 | Q4W: How would you vet another woman if you were looking for one to date?Unfortunately she can rape and abuse men and women, and still not get a criminal history. Because women aren't rapists or abusers you see. I wish this was sarcasm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:18 AM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean I agree that moral judgement isn't limited to one gender, the point is that there will be judgement in life whether it's valid judgements or invalid judgements, but trying to avoid judgement through lying and deception just muddies the waters, it benefits those who want to avoid judgement and accountability but makes it worse for everyone else. Women are just as judgemental as men, but for some reason as a society we accept women judging men and saying quite a lot of harsh things about me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/26 03:16 AM |
| -1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean I agree, but the spread of what women find attractive is generally much narrower than the spread of what men find attractive. There are men who find taller women, shorter women, slimmer women, fatter women, muscular women, and everything in between attractive. There are very very few women who find shorter men attractive. I also agree that not every woman's attraction works the same for sure, but again, on the whole, what women like and are attracted to in nen is generally narrower physic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Well yes, attractive men tend to be more confident because being attractive means more success and less rejection, which directly leads to more confidence. Confidence is a result of success, not the cause of it. Women look at the confidence and pretend its not the attractiveness. Confident but ugly men get frequently told they're arrogant not confident. Confidence is only "valued" when women judge he's deserving of that confidence, either because of his success, status, or looks. I do agree that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:55 PM |
| 4 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?That is truthful for sure, and certainly more truthful than trying to downplay the importance of looks. It's also kind of ironic because if more men knew what women found attractive then men would make more of an effort to look more attractive to women. The end result would be that women would see even more attractive men, so women should be in favour of telling men what they find attractive. Instead men are basically bombarded with constantly contradictory messages and have no idea what women w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:33 PM |
| 3 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Unfortunately I think many women in fact do. Surely we can recognize that if there is racism and people treat racial minorities worse due to stereotypes, then we can tpretend that the constant portrayal of men as murdered and rapists and evil in society, won't have an effect on how women treat men. It might not be an explicit blaming all men for the actions of a few, but it is absolutely more like women treating men they don't know like potential murderers until and unless proven otherwise. It's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:31 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?First I want to point out I actually made a mistake, u/PositionStandard6089 pointed out I was actually talking about Ted Bundy, not Jeffrey Dahmer, I had gotten the name wrong. See, I'm being rational and reasonable, admitting I made a mistake and owning up to it, not delusional at all. So yeah some of the miscommunication is definitely my fault because I got the name wrong, Ted Bundy was considered attractive and charismatic which is how he got so many women to lower their defences around him, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:25 PM |
| 3 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?From the wiki page Bundy was regarded as handsome and charismatic, traits he exploited to win the confidence of his victims and the people around him in his daily life.[121][335][336][337] "Ted lured females," Michaud wrote, "the way a lifeless silk flower can dupe a honey bee."[338] He would sometimes approach females pretending to be an authority figure or firefighter. So he was considered attractive and charismatic. We don't get to go "well he was an evil person so clearly he wasn't attractiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:20 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I am genuinely and honestly happy to hear you are in favour of a system that holds women equally accountable. It is so rare and refreshing honestly. Now we just have to convince the other 95% of women. That said, while women certainly CAN be as violent and predatory as men, I think most violent crime is perpetrated by males. The average is different. This is true, but it's a factor of a few different things, largely that men do tend to be physically stronger, and that women tend to express their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:16 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?When communicating, it is the responsibility of the sender to make sure the message is well received and understood. Women don't get to go "well it's your own fault for not understanding what I clearly meant to say but didn't actually say" when it is clear and obvious that men are not in fact understanding the message women are sending. When people ask women what women want. Be physically attractive to us, should be understood. And when men point it out women go "absolutely not it's all about vi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 06:12 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I mean yes, attractive men tend to be more confident, but attractiveness means more success and compliments and support, and less failure and insults and neglect, so of course more attractive men will be more confident as a result. Same goes for women. And there are many women who will positive tear down an ugly but confident man by saying he has jo reason to be that confident, that he must be arrogant instead. So confidence when an attractive man does it is confidence, but when an ugly man does… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:58 PM |
| 0 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Don't worry, women do it to men all the time too. It would just be nice if we could actually treat equality like we are all equally vain and superficial, and stop with the "women are pure nice innocent angels" stuff. Treating equality like women only get the good parts of equality but none of the bad parts isn't equality at all. If we want society to truly treat women as equal, then we have to recognize women can be just as kind, just as vile, just as caring, just as violent, just as smart, and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:55 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Oh shit you're right, total brain fart moment, sorry about that! Yes I did mean Ted Bundy, my bad! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:51 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Women don't deny their attraction to physically attractive men, they just pretend like it's a bunch of other qualities that makes them attracted to the attractive men. And then men see how the other men, who are not as attractive but have all the qualities women claim to find so attractive, struggle severely in dating, and we see how the attractiveness is what mattered all along. I agree it's not the ONLY factor, but it's a damn huge one, and one that women constantly and consistently downplay, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:50 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?And yet he frequently and easily charmed women. I guess he was just so good looking that women fell for him despite him being emotionally flat, struggling to make friends, and couldn't hold eye contact. Pointing out how he was socially awkward but attractive, is proving my point about how attractiveneas matters more than almost everything else, and that women are just as superficial as men. Thanks for proving my point for me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:47 PM |
| 0 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Right, so "anything I disagree with" ="delusional incel babble", got it. Nothing I can say will ever change your mind because you're going to dismiss anything I say out of hand. Per Jeffrey Dahmer, it's funny because women on here constelry say men are rapists and incels are mass murderers, literally choosing exceptions and applying it to everyone, but if I do the same thing back then all of a sudden I'm the problem. My counter point was exactly that, a counter point. Bitching about it an moanin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:45 PM |
| 1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?No, some things absolutely can and do fit loosely, you can't have a rigid formula for sense of humour or how closely values match, or quirks and personality traits. They all play a role. But to pretend NOTHING can be explained by a formula is simply wrong. And most women don't like to admit how much of that formula shows that women are just as vain and superficial as men, just that women judge men by different standards that aren't necessarily better. People don't date others based on hotness al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:38 PM |
| -2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Oh no it's absolutely a refusal to acknowledge that women are just as vain and superficial as men are, just that women use different values to judge men by. Per "delusional incel babble" I mean it sure is easy, you never have to engage with or debate anything if you just classify anything you don't like or don't agree with as "delusional incel babble". Most men seem to be far more willing to logically argue the nitty gritty details than women are. Most women just want to coast on vibes and enjoy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:14 PM |
| 3 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?And for many women getting along and enjoying each other's company must mean he is good, because how could she enjoy the company of a bad man? Her enjoyment if it must be proof he's not bad, and if she is wrong down the line then it must be because the man was hiding it and manipulating her, not that her judgement was mistaken. Per women dating mid men, I mean yeah, there aren't enough top 20% men to go around so women can't all get their first pick of the ideal partner. Per the femme lesbian an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:12 PM |
| -1 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I agree, and the constant refusal for women to acknowledge this is incredibly frustrating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 05:03 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?I'm just saying, if we go by vibes and very little else, it's not really a good guide for finding good partners. Not saying men are immune to this, far from it, but men tend to acknowledge and accept this far more than men, and understand what that they find attractive may not be good. But women tend to just go "vibes", and that if he makes her feel good then he must be good, with very little understanding or desire to understand what exactly gives her good vibes. And lots of guys who don’t have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:23 PM |
| 4 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Haha fair enough, there is a lack of introspection, but you are right, it's because they don't WANT to know and don't want men to know either. They don't want general truths figured out or even thought much bout. Or even a lot of specific truths. Just be IN the game, not analyzing the game. Treat each woman as a unique thing to be discovered, and enjoy her contradictions--don't fucking point them out. Yep. Which is great for someone who is in the game and is the prize of the game and most of the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:10 PM |
| 2 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?We don’t lie about it. We figure it’s implied. A lie of omission is still a lie. Of course you need to find the person physically attractive enough. Why do we need to say that part? Because that's part of honest truthful discussion. If you want dishonest discussions where women imply things but never admit to them all in order to paint themselves in a better light and deflect any judgement from themselves, that's fair, but then you can't really expect men to think women are honest and truthful, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:05 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Generally men don't pretend this isn't the case and don't lie about what they find attractive though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 04:00 PM |
| 7 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?To all the "it's a whole package thing" responses. Yes. We know. The thing is, men can drill down and pinpoint much of what those multiple answers in the whole package are. Women seem to be largely unaware of how their own attraction works, uninterested in finding out, and quite content to entirely and solely blame men if the man doesn't do it for her, while being completely oblivious to the fact that sometimes what we're attracted to is not in fact good. Seems to me there's a huge lack of intro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 9 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?Yes physical attractiveness is important. It’s the first obstacle. You have to be physically attractive enough. Then your personality and character and how you interact with the world matter. Exactly. If you're a shitty but attractive man, your personality reduces your attractiveness. If you're not an attractive man, your personality doesn't matter because they won't stick around long enough to care about it. Having the right personality traits can be a “turn on.” But only after you're attractiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 03:55 PM |
| 9 | How do women know what about personality turns them on?The problem is that Jeffrey Dahmer had mad vibes, and so do most of the bad boys. EDIT: I was wrong, u/PositionStandard6089 corrected me, I meant Ted Bundy not Jeffrty Dahmer, my bad! We can also mathematically look at what correlates with vibes, and there's a very frequent correlation between vibes and height, attractiveness, status, and income. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/26 03:53 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemYeah it is, isn't it. There can still be good conversations to be had with people who reply to it, but yeah the OP is all over the place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/26 01:58 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of Trusthttps://ifstudies.org/blog/women-still-marry-up-but-the-income-gap-is-narrowing 2/3rds of men made more money than the woman who married him. This is not a surprise. It has been known for decades and continues to be true. Men and women marry within the same socioeconomic status generally, you don't find minimum wage women marrying billionnaire men, but within the same socioeconomic status women tend to marry men who make more money than she does. This is marrying up. You're kind of asking for pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/26 04:20 AM |
| 1 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustHaha it's all good, enjoy your night, there's no hurry! What's your poison btw? I love me red/amber ales, wheat beers, rum, and whiskey generally, what are your faves? Important points that are helped by forming solid friendships with girls and eventually women from a young age. Absolutely I can agree with this! Would be interesting to note if your tall good looking friends had female friends when they were young too. Certainly having female friends as a kid would help young boys and young men t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 09:35 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustI mean to be fair, women tend to be more sociable than men in general, but also society in general is far kinder and more welcoming to women than to men. It's a lot easier to be sociable when everyone else accepts and wants your presence, as opposed to men being constantly considered with a low level of suspicion, like men are possibly violent assholes by default until and unless they prove otherwise. Western society in general also kinda emotionally starves, neglects, and emotionally cripples b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of Trust29 to I'm assuming early 20s is not that large an age gap, I wasn't terribly worried per se, just trying to understand the dynamics. If it works and you're both happy then I am genuinely glad for you! I am curious to know how your tall fit friends struggle in dating, when you say mindset is it that like they're socially awkward or don't know how to date? Because yeah height income looks and status does not make for an automatic win, so a man can have all that and stroll struggle, but he's still … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 08:54 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustWell, yes, males are generally larger and stronger than females, what is your point? Yes, but you can statistically see if there is a random pairing, with some % of women marrying men shorter or poorer than them. The stats show a STRONG preference in the other direction, as in you find SIGNIFICANTLY LESS pairing with men shorter and poorer than women than you would expect to see if it was random. Source please? Most women marry within their socioeconomic class, meaning similar income and educati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 08:43 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustI mean I didn't want to automatically assume she was some kind of cougar, but it seems to be heading that way? I also completely agree that a man who has nothing beyond height or income can be a terrible partner and suck at dating. It's just that men who are shorter, less attractive and have less money have significantly harder time dating than men who have those three. Looks, money, height, and status don't automatically make a man a great match, but a man lacking in those is going to be having… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 08:38 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustFirst off congratulations, and I hope it all goes well! I am curious to know how old you both are though I kinda assumed when you said poor college student you were in the below 25 age range, and generally most people don't become successful lawyers before that age. So I don't know if she's way older than you, or you're an older student, etc. Also, exceptions do not disprove the rule. I'm not going to tell you you can't win a lottery ticket because the odds are low, if you are a cfually holding … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 06:39 PM |
| 1 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustIf you're dating other poor studebts the yrah you're having the time of your life because nobody expects students to be rich, you're in a school setting where you're surrounded by women your age, and there are more women than men on campuses so you've got the upper hand. I'm glad you are having a great time, but the college campus and college age is a small fraction of the entire dating world. For what it's worth I would encourage you to find someone you'd like to marry and work to build somethi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 06:23 PM |
| 3 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustYes, but you can statistically see if there is a random pairing, with some % of women marrying men shorter or poorer than them. The stats show a STRONG preference in the other direction, as in you find SIGNIFICANTLY LESS pairing with men shorter and poorer than women than you would expect to see if it was random. And again, height and income have absolutely no correlation with forming romantic relationships. Women en masse just do not want shorter or poorer men. Men have shallow superficial appe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 05:54 PM |
| 2 | The core of our problems might be a matter of TrustAnd yet the vast majority of women choose to make a romantic bond with men who are stronger than her taller than her, makes more money than her, and has the same or higher education than her. None of these traits are in any way a predictor if a romantic bond. Women are just as shallow and superficial as men are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 05:29 PM |
| 20 | Women are Not Entitled to Men's Credulity towards their "Lived Experiences" and Self-Reports Regarding Dating, Men, etc.I mean that's kinda what men face already, so you can't really "threaten" men with something that is already and currently being done to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 07:18 AM |
| 5 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?And sex is one form of love, specifically eros. Then there's philia (love as friends), storge (love as family) , agape (selfless love), and more. Neither men nor women have a monopoly on deciding what is or isn't love, but generally actively misrepresenting what the other side is saying, or painting it in the worst light, doesn't really help people understand one another. I agree with you that a subset of men just want sex from women and that's it. There are however a ton of men who also want de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 06:05 AM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Love means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Women don't have a monopoly on deciding what is or isn't love, and neither do men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/26 04:07 AM |
| 3 | Men need to display invulnerability rathert's not about not displaying "a chink in the armor." It's about not showing that the armor is fake. The problem is when you display the armor is not fake, there's a 50/50 chance you'll get dumped because she got the ick. Many women demand vulnerability, but they demand a very particular kind of vulnerability that makes her feel good about herself and good about her trust in you. Those women don't want actual real vulnerability, they want an emotional performance to make her feel safe and secure … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 11:24 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?"love and desire" =/= "wanting to have sexual access to". You're doing the exact same thing as the incel who posts that women don't love men, they just love what men can do for them and treat men like ATMs and utilities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 11:13 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Sorry again and thanks for understanding! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:26 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Well shit, somehow my eye skipped over the "lame" word completely in the OP lol, my bad. So yeah can't blame you for using that word when OP did, sorry about that! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:21 PM |
| -4 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I'm happy to hear you were raised that way, because unfortunately the way you were raised and the messages you grew up around seems to be slowly going extinct. I'm not happy about it, I don't want it to go like that, but that seems to be what is happening, that women are just inherently deserving of the best men have to offer simply for being women, and men aren't entitled to anything, not even sympathy or empathy, from women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:18 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I mean I agree that men and women show love differently, but a poll in the UK finds that there are twice as many women under 30 who hate men, than there are men under 30 who hate women. Feminism has basically spent the last 50 years trying to paint men as basically psychopathic remorseless brutes. I don't think there's ever been a point where men ever said they didn't desire and want women, but there's plenty of open discourse in society about how women hate men, don't need men, don't want men, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:17 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You deserve better, and you owe it to yourself to find a healthy way to be happy. I won't agree to disagree on this. You deserve to have a happy life free from hatred and free from harm. Nobody can hate their way into a happy life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Men need to display invulnerability ratherI mean you're not wrong, but as a society we are currently encouraging and supporting the misandrist , while throwing under the bus the men who stand up to the misandrist. Feminism is largely first in line both supporting misandry and throwing men under the bus, and any standing up to misandry means standing up to feminism, and that never ends well for men. If you want more men to have the courage to stand up to ick women, we have to change social attitudes about it rather than expect men to jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:11 PM |
| 1 | Men need to display invulnerability ratherSo you want the man to put in a fake performance of vulnerability, without actually revealing weaknesses, so you can feel attracted to him. Do you see how asking for a performance of fake vulnerability for your benefit, and at great risk to himself, isn't really all that attractive a proposition to men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:09 PM |
| 2 | Men need to display invulnerability ratherThe real problem is that women unilaterally reserve the right to decide which is which, no matter what the man says or does. Vulnerability is inherently, showing your weakness to someone. If you have no weaknesses, you can't really be vulnerable. Women demanding men show vulnerability without being weak, and then dumping men who do show their weakness to show vulnerability, is akin to asking men show scars without ever having been hurt. Well you can't get scars without getting hurt, but they'll … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:03 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Could be, but I find that sad. She's unlikely to find happiness with an attitude like that, and the world is better off with more happy loving people in it, not miserable hateful people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 09:01 PM |
| -3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I completely agree with you. Unfortunately it seems men love women in general much more than women love men in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:56 PM |
| 4 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You'd be ausprised just how many women believe precisely that and expect men to value them while they don't have to do shit or go out of their way for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:54 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?I mean you didn't specify who is lame, and the conversation is about men, so when you say "men are lame" and compare men to furniture, your words strongly imply you're talking about half the people on the planet. Do you care if I am sexist? Because if you don't care either way I mean that's logically fine, but I don't think it's a good world where people go "I don't care how prejudiced and bigoted other people are", generally that doesn't lead to happier societies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:51 PM |
| 3 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Well there you go, there's your problem right there. There are plenty of guys who don't hate you. They can't hate you if they don't even know you exist. It's not healthy to love with an attitude of either "everyone is shit because they all hate me" or "I deserve to be hated therefore everyone hates me." That's no way to live. You deserve better, and you owe it to yourself to find a healthy way to be happy. I don't hate you. Heck, I don't know you and even if we butted heads and had arguments on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:48 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Why are you talking to a guy who hates you when there's a million more out there who don't? If you go around specifically looking for men who hate you and try to talk to them, the problem is not that men are shit, the problem is that the men YOU pick are shit. There was a comment that perfectly encapsulates this, one sister was complaining to another about how she always attracts shitty men, the other sister replied that the first one attracts ALL men, she just picks the shitty ones. Women liter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:39 PM |
| 4 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You're reducing half the people on the planet to basically being furniture, just because of the gender they're born into. Isn't that insanely sexist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?You're reducing half the people on the planet to basically being furniture, just because of the gender they're born into. Isn't that insanely sexist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 2 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Aka the bottom 80% of men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:35 PM |
| 12 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I sincerely wish you the best in finding a compatible guy who also wants the same with and from you, and for the two of you to live happily ever after :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Women used to rely on men to protect them, since women are physically weaker than men. We have now outsourced that to the police. Women used to earn less money that men for a variety of reasons (not saying this is good). As a society we have largely addressed and solved that problem in the West, with women earning as much (or more, in the case of younger women) as most men their age. Women used to have to make themselves attractive to the men around her to get the best partner from her area she … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:31 PM |
| 6 | Women don’t actually need men anymore. So what incentive is left for commitment?Women used to rely on men to protect them, since women are physically weaker than men. We have now outsourced that to the police. Women used to earn less money that men for a variety of reasons (not saying this is good). As a society we have largely addressed and solved that problem in the West, with women earning as much (or more, in the case of younger women) as most men their age. Women used to have to make themselves attractive to the men around her to get the best partner from her area she … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 08:31 PM |
| 3 | Women care about personality but only if they know you for some timeWell yes, but women also rate 80% of men as "below average" so how much of that is factually men being less attractive, and how much of that is just women plain not finding men as attractive? There's a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 05:53 AM |
| 3 | Women care about personality but only if they know you for some timeThe personality generally only matters once the man passes the looks threshold though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 05:52 AM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "To be fair I meant it more that 95% of women DON'T think it is entitledment if she wants men to pay for at least the first date. It's less than 90% of women around me who expect men to pay, maybe closer to 60% or so. I'm in a more liberal city thankfully, but even most liberal women still have many patriarchal expectations towards men, while not wanting any patriarchal expectations on themselves. My problem is more just the inability to even get any matches or dates at all in the first place, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 02:57 AM |
| 2 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "No many people date in order to get to know someone that they feel they can care about and want to know better. Many people date because they are looking for a life partner. And they all want to have sex with their life partner eventually, so women DO want sex too, just not as early and/or not as much as men. And no it is not equal, men want women more than women want men. Sorry if that hurts some feelings but it is true. The current stats out say that by the year 2030 45 plus percent of women b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 02:05 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemNo one things bad women don'T exist, but feminism has spent a century painting women as the innocent oppressed victims who couldn't possibly harm men. Hell, there are feminists in this very subreddit who believe it is litearlly impossible for men to be raped by women. It's not that people think bad women don't exist, it's that people think bad women make up less than 10% of all bad people, instead of women being actually equal to men and being equally as bad as men. But women are by every object… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 01:15 AM |
| 1 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.This is the Office for National Statistics in the UK, right? Because in the UK it is legally impossible for women to rape men. So there's that. 87% of perpetrators against male victims are male. This also from the ONS? Because in the US they have something similar with the CDC where if a woman forces a man to have sex that's rape, but if a woman forces a man to have sex that's called "made to penetrate" and is specifically and deliberately excluded from rape statistics. So of course when you del… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 01:09 AM |
| 5 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I'm glad we agree The problem is now we have to convince the other 95% of women as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/26 12:31 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Men going Dutch via alternating is better than going Dutch via people paying 50% or for themselves, because it usually has plausible deniability that it's just trad if it's cut off at the first dateYou mean like how women demand men pay for her on first dates? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 05:51 PM |
| -2 | Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt.I'd take the rape culture thing more seriously if rape culture didn't try to constantly and consistently erase the lawyers that near half of all rape victims are men. I'm all for addressing rape culture and sexual assault, but pretending like it only ever affects women and that women couldn't possibly rape men at similar levels helps nobody. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemNot sure if you're talking about my reply or about sodacube's post | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:31 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks?I mean, the extreme prejudice problem has been ongoing for the last 50+ years, soooo..... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 04:29 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemNo yeah absolutely true, there's conflating "sexual assault" like catcalling and saying it's equivalent to rape to insanely inflate numbers, and a bunch of other semantic games and bad statistics, completely agree with you. Thanks for adding more info! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:35 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingAnd in this conversation I'm not telling you I'm imagining things that never happened, I'm telling you directly of talks and discussions I've had with feminists, and it was interacting with feminists that has turned me away from feminism, not the red pill. | /r/MensRights | 27/07/26 02:34 AM |
| 4 | Even men think men are the problemMen’s desire to make women seem as violent, rapey, and dangerous as them in insane Men do not desire to make women SEEM as violent, rapey, and dangerous as men. Men simply desire that we do recognize when some women are in fact violent, rapey, and dangerous, and to stop pretending like women are innocent angels who can do no wrong. If we want true equality, then that means women are just as good, just as violent, just as smart, just as evil, just as kind, and just as abusive as men. Welcome to e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/26 02:24 AM |
| 4 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled ""Entitlement: belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges" Is it not a privilege to not have to pay for food? Entitlement is about the attitude, not about whether or not other people comply with the entitled person's attitude. People need to get over the idea that they have a right to dictate how others choose to live their lives. Totally fair, but do women want equality, or do they want special privileges? Because equality means women are not in fact entitled to have their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:15 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemAaah gotcha thanks! The other person might not see it though, might be good to reply to them instead of me, but thanks! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 05:20 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemOh I agree that it is wishful thinking, unfortunately. Things need to change, and if we want them to change we have to fight for it. I'm looking forward to seeing how the feminist discourse will change when people start hitting back and more and more female rapists start being convicted. I wonder if feminism will remain on its gung-ho crusader attitude when women start being on the receiving end of that. That won't happen until and unless we fight to change the laws however, which means it's jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 04:58 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemI'm not sure why you're replying to me? I don't really disagree with the points you made, but they don't have much of anything to do with the points I made? Per rape vs made to penetrate in crime reports that is very true, the problem is that men are significantly less likely to recognize they have been raped, significantly less likely to report rape, and significantly less likely to be believed about being raped, than women. So official rape statistics, which the definition of varies state by s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 04:08 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemThat's not quite how that works. If 66% of rapists account for 90% of rapes, then that means that for every 100 rapes, 90 of those will come from the same 66 rapists. So out of 100 rapes we could estimate say 76 rapists, or about 3/4 as many rapists as there are rape victims. So if there are 20% of women who have experienced completed or attempted rape, out of 175 million women in the USA, then that's 35 million women raped in total. So if there are 3/4 as many rapists as there are rapes, that w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:46 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemRight, so you have a one-track mind and you are obsessed with only ever portraying men as violent, rapey, dishonest, and dangerous. I mean this sincerely and with the kindest of intentions, please do go speak to a therapist about that. It's not healthy to hold onto that level of negative feelings. That being said as well, I completely agree with you that victim blaming is wrong and as a society we need to do more to address it. Nobody should get raped ever, and everyone who rapes someone else ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:35 AM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "The only reason that men here harp on this is because most of them are only dating to try and get sex. I mean, yes? Do you know a lot of people who go dating and DON'T want to have any sex, ever? Generally we'd call those people asexual and they're a tiny minority of everyone. The vast majority of people who date, want to have sex, men and women both. So if he pays and she doesn't put out then they see that as lost money. Which is only a problem if he is expected to pay every time, over and over… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemI didn't mean to imply that you said all men are rapists, sorry, it was more about "if we treat all men like all men are all potential rapists, that causes problems". So clearly, the solution is not to treat all men like they're all potentially murderers or rapists, and we have to specifically target the rare few men who are rapists and murderers, and leave the vast majority of innocent men alone. so after a year passes a rapist suddenly isn’t a rapist anymore? why are you using per year numbers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemThey are absolutely a class, a class is simply a classification of people. Ok fair it's a class, but it's attributing to an entire class of people traits that have very little to do with the actual class. It's like if I said that most murderers are right-handed, therefore we should treat all right handed people like potential murderers. There is no statistical causation between being right-handed and murder, and drawing such an inappropriate correlation causes far more harm than good. for exampl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemAgain, you're painting it all about men being perpetrators, men being violent, rapey, dishonest, and dangerous, and completely ignoring and dismissing the fact that 1) the vast majority of men are NOT like that, and 2) half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims are men, at the hands of female perpetrators. Now I can't stop you from having a bigoted and sexist perspective where you blame the vast majority of innocent people in a group for the actions of a small minority of peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemAI is not a source, I can't go look into your picture to see where that data comes from. If you ask AI how many women rape men in the UK it will likely tell you 0, because it is legally impossible for women to rape men in the UK. That doesn't mean there are no women who have ever raped men in the UK though, now does it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:01 AM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "if somebody WANTS to give something to you/do something with you then you’re not exactly entitled? Or, you can be entitled, and the person feels pressured into giving the thing anyways. It doesn't make the one person less entitled, it just means the other person was pressured into going along with the entitlement. entitlement usually refers to wanting special treatment or thinking you deserve something you don’t deserve See, I agree! Therefore this has nothing to do with a person's attractivenes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 03:00 AM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "if whatever woman he’s asking wants to have sex with him then not really? Ah so it's not about how attractive he is, it's about whether the other person says yes. So when women ask for something and men say no, then she's entitled, regardless of how attractive she is. why are you acting as if i’m the one who invented looks biases ? i’m just describing how it is The thing is, you're conflating looks biases with entitlement. The former is a bias, the latter is a belief that one is deserving of or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problembut YOU are the one who said the vast overwhelming majority of men aren’t a threat, so why can’t you define threat? I can easily define it if you want. Let's go with murder. The overwhelming majority of men have not and will never murder women. Boom, men aren't a threat to women. A tiny minority of murderous men are a threat to women, but then the threat is murderers, not men. Because if we treat all men like they're all potential murderers, then we're going to have a ton of false positives and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:26 AM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "you asked if women are entitled when they asked to be paid for. so i told you they’re called entitled if they aren’t considered good looking enough So if men demand to have sex with women, but those men are good looking enough, then they're not entitled? It's a strange metric, to judge the actions of a person not by their virtue, their morals, or their consequences, but based solely on how attractive the person committing those actions is. I don't think I'd want to live in a society like that. S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:11 AM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemAnd the truth you are inserting is a very carefully polished truth that constantly and exclusively paints all men as abusers and perpetrators, while erasing both innocent men, and erasing that men can be and are half the domestic abuse victims. Because you don't care about any of that, you only care about solely and exclusively painting men as violent abusive murderers. That is why people fear them and not women Should people fear Muslims because Muslims are suicide bombers? Or should we recogni… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:08 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingWhat do you mean no one is doing that? I've had those conversations and I have seen it happen directly. Do you not trust my lived experiences? | /r/MensRights | 26/07/26 02:06 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemA tiny minority of men, is still many more men then women, so when we break down populations, a correct statement is "men as a class hold more power then women I agree, but see the problem is men aren't a class, any more than "blue-eyed people are a class" or "black-haired people are a class". You can't just group people together willy-nilly according to a feature and just assume that because something is true of some members of people in that "class", it must be true of all members of that clas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 02:05 AM |
| 6 | Even men think men are the problemOhey thanks for asking, I went looking and actually found one from 2024! https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386189016_Bidirectional_and_Unidirectional_Intimate_Partner_Violence_A_Comprehensive_Review "Our review indicates that bidirectional violence remains prevalent among all sample types. The average amount of reported IPV that was bidirectional in nature was 52.8% (ranging from 44.8% among middle or high school students to almost 60% among clinical and university student samples). Our f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 01:27 AM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemMen own 80% of the wealth in the world and hold 80-85% of elected or promoted positions of power both politically and in corporate settings globally. Not quite. A tiny minority of men own wealth and elected positions. Elon musk being a billionnaire does not in any way shape or form help the 80% of homeless people who are men. You treat men like men are a class who all look after one another, help one another, and benefit one another, but that is not how it works. Men are not a class. Men holding… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/26 01:04 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingI don't know what you're trying to say, but again, the conclusions I have come to, I have come to as a result of talking with feminists and seeing how they act vs what they say. I don't like red pill spaces or echo chamber spaces. I want to have discussions where I am challenged and forced to think about the issues. But every time I try and challenge feminists I get with basically a flat out denial that half the men could be domestic abuse victims, the conversations get shut down, and you get ba… | /r/MensRights | 25/07/26 10:31 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemAnd yet in a conversation about how men are half the rape victims and half the domestic abuse victims, you constantly and continually try and bring the point exclusively to how those who face the most severe harm and most often are murdered are women, and constantly try and bring the conversation away from male victims. Sounds like denial and erasure to me. Do you acknowledge that men are near half of all rape victims and half of all domestic abuse victims? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:29 PM |
| 1 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "men are not victims in terms of the way they get treated differently based on looks. you guys do the same shit to women So if men are not victims because they get treated differently due to the way they look, neither are women victims them. Why asre you saying men aren'T victims? Is it just that men cannot be victims, simply because they're born into the wrong gender? The half of all victims of domestic abuse who are men, are not victims, because they're men? The near half of all rape victims wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:28 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemSources are kinda pointless until we define "threat". So what kind of threat exactly are we looking for, to find sources specific to that threat? why are you asking me what’s considered a threat when you are the one who said “the vast overwhelming majority of men are not a threat to women” ? Because they aren't. 80% of men will never rape, abuse, murder, or assault women. Why are you blaming the vast majority of innocent men for the crimes of a tiny minority? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 10:25 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemwomen get blamed for stuff a minority of women do all the time And so do men, but for some reason it's seen as a problem and wrong when done to women, but totally fine and acceptable when done to men. can you give any data showing that the amount of men who are a threat to women is as small as you think it is? I mean first we'd have to define what we mean by "threat" exactly. We can look at murder statistics to see how many women get murdered. Are we talking more threat as in sexual assault? Dom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:18 PM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemI never said women are as strong and deadly as men, and women don't need to be as strong and deadly as men to commit half of all domestic abuse. Maybe women should fear women more, because the highest rates of domestic abuse happen in lesbian couples while the lowest rate happens in gay couples. Either way, fear is irrelevant when we are talking facts, and the facts are that yes, the small minority of DV incidents that result in serious harm and death is largely male on female, and the facts are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Even men think men are the problemA comparison is erasure or denial when you're focusing on the less than 5% of men who murder women, specifically in order to detract the conversation and turn it away from the fact that 50% of abusers are women who abuse men. I'm not pretending like a beat down from a man and a slap from a woman is equivalent, you're pretending like a man murdering his partner means the woman abusing a man doesn't matter and is irrelevant. By all means we should talk about the less than 5% of domestic abuse case… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Even men think men are the problemWomen who are caution or afraid of men don't need to talk about men who are abused at the same time, but the point is relevant when it's a talk about domestic abuse victims, because men are half the domestic abuse victims. As for "Whether you feel like you're being blamed or not doesn't change the fact you ARE being blamed when people say stuff like men rape women or men abuse women", you're just asserting something without backing it up at all. If I say "Germans are responsible for the holocaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 07:07 PM |
| -2 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "When you say men aren't victims, are you referring to men in dating circles? Or are you saying that the half of all victims of domestic abuse who are male, and the almost half of all rape victims who are male, are not victims at all? If we're talking within a dating context, it's also really inappropriate to pick the behaviour of some of the worst men, and then use that as a basis to judge all men. Some men act the way you say they do, but they're not the majority, so why should the innocent maj… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:51 PM |
| 3 | Even men think men are the problemBut you want to erase and dismiss the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims. How are half the domestic abuse victims who are male, supposed to get help and support, if the male half of all domestic abuse victims gets dismissed and ignored? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:31 PM |
| 11 | Even men think men are the problemComparisons are erasure when the point is to erase the male victims and focus solely and exclusively on female victims. Next time, start by acknowledging that men are half the domestic abuse victims and that women are half the domestic abusers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:30 PM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I don't go spying on people's profiles, I just let them come as they are and interact with me based on what they say. Completely agree with you on the entitled hypocritical shrodinger's feminists in the US (And Canada, I'm up here). I hear feminists are much less insane in Europe generally, though there are still pockets where they're trying hard to one-up the American ones. Australia also has its own brand of crazy feminists, but I'm not going to blame all feminists for the actions of any one o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:29 PM |
| 6 | Even men think men are the problemThank you. I very much appreciate the honesty. I am not saying women don't face issues, women do and they do deserve help. It'S just that men face serious issues too and men also deserve the same help that women would get. It just infuriates me so much that feminism works so hard to dismiss, invalidate, and ignore all the male victims, because it doesn't fit the feminist narrative of male violent oppressors and female innocent oppressed victims. ALL victims deserve help, regardless of their gend… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:12 PM |
| 5 | Even men think men are the problemDoes it mean if a man gets abused, he should be denied help and resources just because he's the wrong gender? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:09 PM |
| 14 | Even men think men are the problemSeverity of violence and frequency of murder doesn't change the fact half the domestic abuse victims are men, that half the domestic abuse is reciprocal, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male violence. Obsessing over the less than 5% of cases where DV leads to murder doesn't change the metrics, it just means you're willing to ignore half the domestic abuse victims because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to see where women are always the mosetest oppressedest victi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:09 PM |
| 7 | Even men think men are the problemHaha thanks, I try. I have a folder with bookmarks on my browser, it's got 300+ citations like this in it. It really infuriates me because feminism funds studies to account precisely for the most obscure and least impactful ways that women are being oppressed by men, but when men are LITEARLLY HALF THE DOMESTIC ABUSE VICTIMS AS TRACKED BY DOZENS OF STUDIES IN THE LAST FEW DECADES all of a sudden feminism doesn't care and can't be bothered to recognize any of that. So I'm forced to do feminists' … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 06:07 PM |
| 15 | Even men think men are the problemOverwhelmingly, women. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. The survey found that men and women had a similar prevalence of nonconsensual sex in the previous 12 months (1.270 million women and 1.267 million men).5 This remarkable finding challenges stereotypical assu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 05:17 PM |
| 12 | Even men think men are the problemThat isn't saying men cant be hurt by women, just that on average it happens to women from men a lot more than the other way around. Except that men are half the DV victims and near half the rape vcictims. It'S not that it happens a lot more that men hurt women than the other way around. It's that as a society we only pay attention when men harm women, and actively dismiss and discount when women harm men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:55 PM |
| 4 | Even men think men are the problemGot to say man, I've never felt like I'm being blamed or held accountable for the bad men (except on rare occasions, but those are specific instances and not a larger pattern). Whether you feel like you're being blamed or not doesn't change the fact you ARE being blamed when people say stuff like men rape women or men abuse women. That it does not affect you does not mean it won't affect others, and you not being affected is not a reason to let that kind of bigoted language go unchallenged. The … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:54 PM |
| 5 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "I'm glad we agree. Now if only society could actually recognize and call out entitlement from women, instead of completely ignoring it, and blaming everything men might do or want as entitlement, even if it's not entitlement at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:36 PM |
| 3 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "And that's the way it should be! But unfortunately in N America you are part of the minority of women who think like this it seems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:36 PM |
| 7 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "They want this from all men, whether the man wants to or not, and justify it by saying "whoever asks the other one out should pay". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:22 PM |
| 20 | A man who can effortlessly get sex is exalted. A man who desires to have sex but is unsuccessful is seen as "entitled "Are women entitled because they want men to pay for dates? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:14 PM |
| 14 | Even men think men are the problemAlso important to note that the vast overwhelming majority of men are not a threat to women. It's a small minority of men causing the vast majority of the damage, but for some reason all men catch flack for that and are held responsible for something they didn't do. As a society we recognize it's wrong to judge an entire group of people by the worst few examples among that group. It's wrong to blame all people of a certain race, religion, or sexual identity, according to the worst few members of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:09 PM |
| – | It is not true that consenting homemakers are considered "valid" by feminism.If men really wanted to be stay at home dads and saw it as a privilege, they would be trying like hell to make that happen. The problem is that there are far more men willing to be stay at home dads, than there are women willing to support stay at home dads. You're kinda missing half the picture here. No, they have always left that to women because they know in most cases it’s a bad deal. Then why are there more men willing to be stay at home dads than there are women willing to support them? If… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/26 04:06 PM |
| 2 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingHappy cake day! And per everything that is said, that's the thing. I pay attention to what is said, but I also pay attention to what is done. If I call myself a pacifist, but I punch in the mouth anyone who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? Because while the words of feminism are good, as the saying goes, talk is cheap, and you have to put your money where your mouth is. And over and over and over again, as much as feminism talks about equality, in practice feminism tre… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/26 04:01 PM |
| 1 | What do you think women bring to the table and what do you want them to add?Meanwhile many women basically want slaves that voluntarily enslave themselves for her benefit, and this they call empowerment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 08:32 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:And one mentally deranged man with a gun does not a mass shooting crisis make either. I don’t think any of this is leading male victims to be taken less seriously as much as men’s advocates refusing to do anything aside from spending all their time on the internet. I mean male advocates would love to do more but male advocates get constantly blocked, opposed, and dismissed by feminists, in the exact same way you are doing to every single male issue I have raised. The message is always and foreve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:55 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:And yet, whether men care or not, when feminism constantly attacks men, increases hostility against men, devalues men, and vilifies men, it does make men's lives worse. Whether or not men care, the fact feminism constantly and consistently erases the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims, means that half of all rape and abuse victims don't get the help they need simply because they're the wrong gender. And you don't see anything wrong with that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Aah gotcha, I can kinda agree but I don't think I'd call that a death cult, it makes it sound much more murder-y or suicide related. Misandrist anti male anti family cult? Sure. Death cult? Not so much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:03 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:I will say what I want but it's difficult to have a coversation with someone who apparently chooses the most dishonest interpretation every time. Job loss deaths of despair and guns are killing men, and memes that dehumanize men and vilify men are making it worse. If we can recognize it's a problem when men make problems worse for women, why do you so constantly and consistently refuse to acknowledge that women and feminists can also make problems worse for men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:No because they’re not about male victims. They’re male perpetrators. Right, because according to feminism men can't be victims anywhere near the scale women are, and men must always be perpetrators. Do you not realize that constantly erasing male victims, and constantly putting the focus on male perpetrators, would cause issues? If anything dehumanizes male victims it’s rape jokes at their expense and jokes about them not being able to defend themselves against a woman. These are mostly jokes m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:I mostly agree, except for the death cult bit. I don't know what you mean by that, can you expand on that a bit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:I do y think mêmes are causing harm. I also don't think notallmenbutalwaysaman is just a meme. I think it's a misandrist tool to blame men and act like all men are guilty and at fault, simply because they are men. You don’t think women are going to kill all men. So what? I think that the mêmes dehumanizing men and saying that in essence men deserve to die, leads to increased harm done to men and a complete lack of care for male victims because then people think men deserved being hurt or killed,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:23 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You're right, it's not unrelated, feminism criticizing and demonizing men is directly linked to male suicide and male disposability. The manosphere fuels mass shootings. That’s the difference. The manosphere fuels mass shootings as much as feminism fuels male suicide. I'm it saying they should be censored, I'm saying if they use free speech to be hateful and hypocritical, then they better be ready to he called out for being hateful and hypocritial. Ironically enough feminism is all about free sp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Why does feminism treat memeing about women as though it is patriarchal and sexist and oppressive though? Isn't that a big double standard? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:The difference is when men meme, they're not doing it from a position of claiming to be all about gender equality. I'm not offended by free speech, I'm offended by the double standards, hypocrisy, and lack of intellectual integrity. I'm not saying it's bad because a woman is doing it, I'm saying it's bad when a feminist says it's bad when men do things that go against gender equality, and then feminist themselves turn around and do the exact same thing, posting memes and messages that go against… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:05 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You're the one who brought up mass shootings first. Why are you allowed to bring up random unrelated problems but I'm not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:59 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Someone saying mean things on the internet does not make you a victim. And the fact that you need to pretend trust it does just goes to show how frivolous internet “men’s issues” are. Ironic that men doing rape jokes on the internet and saying mean things on the internet is taken as a sign of patriarchy and how men are the problem, but when women and feminists do it it's totally fine and men just need to man up and stop bitching. Gotta love those double standards. No. You don’t think it is. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:57 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:What about the fact men are 80% of suicide victims, half the domestic abuse victims, and near half the rape victims? Does none of that matter? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:45 PM |
| 5 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:If you don't critically evaluate feminism how can you know if it is good or if it made a mistake? And if you don't critically evaluate feminism, then you can't know who is understanding or misunderstanding it. It's basically taking a faith based approach of "I know feminism is right and everyone saying otherwise is wrong, because I just believe it." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:08 PM |
| 5 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You appear to use critical thinking against anyone who is critical of feminism, and then turn around and throw critical thinking out the window when you yourself have to critically evaluate feminism. You're not calling out people who aren't using critical thinking, you're calling out people who criticize feminism while you yourself completely refuse to critically examine feminism. Huge double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:01 PM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:No, I'm saying it IS a cause for concern, but you don't care about men and men's issues and you think your own personal feelings should be taken more seriously and be considered more important than the issues men face. It's called psychological projection. You don't give a damn about men, so you think that I must think the same and I must not give a damn about women. Sorry, but I actually care about all victims, not just those of my own gender and I also care about moral and intellectual integri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:59 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:They're issues when it happens to women and memes when it happens to men. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Sorry, but it's not hypocritical to go after feminists by pointing out how feminism itself is being hyoocritical. I'm not saying it because I'm personally offended, I'm pointing out how hypocritical and intellectually bankrupt feminism is. It's not about my personal feelings, it's about the moral and intellectual failure of feminism as a movement. If feminism is morally and intellectually bankrupt we either need to stop listening to it, or feminism needs to do better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:55 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:You don't get to just use context as a get out of jail free card whenever you want, and decide others can't do the same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 03:53 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:It's funny that the two choices are either that feminists can say whatever they want and it must never be interpreted in a bad light while they can take the worst interpretation of whatever anyone else is saying, or we need to end all meme culture. Funny that the choices are either double standards in favour of feminism, or shut up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:42 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Are you seriously falling back on shaming men and implying men are weak and afraid, using dishonest emotional manipulation tactics instead of making proper arguments like a mature adult? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:41 PM |
| 4 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:"Feminism is for men too!" "Yeah no we don't give a damn about any of the issues men face, women's problems are always the priority". Gotta love that trickle down equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 01:39 PM |
| 3 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Ok cool, I've seen the context and nuance of feminists using notallmenbutalwaysaman as a slogan. Now what? Feminism isn't some thing with a clear leader. What one feminist does isn't a representation of all feminists. I agree. But when a ton of feminists all come out with the exact same kind of abhorrent misandrist nonsense like this, and none of the other feminists disagree with them or call them out on it, that's a problem. If feminism isn't condemning the blatant misandry, it is condoning it.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 06:41 AM |
| 2 | I'm starting to think men don't consider women they're not attracted to to be womenI mean, you're not wrong, but it's largely because women seem to feel entitled to commitment from men, without them having to work particularly hard to deserve commitment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:54 AM |
| 1 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Right, but who gets to decide what is and isn't the appropriate context? After all you say #notallmenbutalwaysaman is in the context of a joke not meant to be taken seriously. I say the context is having seen and heard feminists directly and actively use it to support their arguments. So who gets to decide which is the appropriate context? I'd consider a slogan of the Me Too Movement. Which isn't feminism either. Potayto potahto. It's a distinction without a difference. Feminism isn't some nebul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:44 AM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:Oh cool so I guess #believewomen is not a feminist slogan either and we don't need to take it seriously. Nobody likes it when someone says something offensive on purpose, then tries to pass it off as a harmless joke if people don't like it. This is what feminism has become, the equivalent of a frat bro making offensive remarks and then going "its just a prank bro don't take it seriously". And then feminism wonders why men don't take it seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:32 AM |
| 7 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:They're just sarcastic comments and jokes. Stop taking rape jokes so damn literally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 05:29 AM |
| 2 | Feminists In Practice Believe in the Absolute, near Invariant Moral Perfection of Women. It is a Highly Dangerous View:We'd love to, as soon as feminism stops using those slogans so pervasively and starts actually taking a stand against them, instead of encouraging them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/26 04:15 AM |
| 1 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Fam, I literally have only heard of men being dismissed by men FROM MEN THEMSELVES. Ok cool but the plural of anecdote is not data. I've never seen racism with my own two eyes, does it mean racism doesn'T exist? I’ve had male victims tell me that they don’t feel safe confiding in OTHER MEN. I did not hear this from women, but from MEN. Yeah, this is indeed a problem. Men as a group are so traumatized, so emotionally neglected, and have received so little empathy, help, or support, that they cann… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:43 PM |
| 3 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Fam, everyone including feminists shouldn’t downplay the abuse men face. And yet, many feminists do, just like you do here and you did in the other reply. So what do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? That doesn’t require attacking feminism at its core unless that’s just a cover for you to the feminism. And yet feminism at its core constantly attacks men and constantly and consistently erases and dismisses male victims of rape and domestic abuse. So… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 11:10 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Ok, and what do you have to say to men that belittle and mock male survivors of SA and rape? We say that these men are victims of a system that tells them that they are inherently worthless and valueless until and unless they get to have sex with women, which is why they mock male survivors of SA and rape because they're saying essentially "why are you complaining about gaining value/prestige". But these men are VICTIMS of a system that devalues men. And feminism and feminists, every single time… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 10:57 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?It's fighting against feminism because every time men try to talk about men's issues, feminism fights back, and tries to dismiss, invalidate, deny, or erase the issues men face. Feminism started the Duluth movement and actively opposes recognition that men are half the domestic abuse victims. Feminists like Mary Koss instructed the CDC to specifically and deliberately erase male rape victims of female rapists from rape statistics. Those people should be called out, but they don't, they get defen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 07:29 PM |
| 7 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?I do not. And yet every time men fight for men's issues, feminists are first in line to dismiss and invalidate male victims and men's issues. So what do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 05:49 PM |
| 2 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?Remember that if one of your male relatives gets raped or abused, he doesn't deserve help, support or empathy from you because men are violent and he's a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 05:23 PM |
| 7 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?The problem is men inflict more damage. You can't argue this. It's not like there's hidden male murder victims and secret female killers. That's too cospiracy. So because less than 10% of men cause damage, the other innocent men who are raped and abused don't deserve any help or support? Is that really the argument you want to be making? Thank you for proving my point for me, that you don't give a damn about male victims. Remember that if one of your male relatives gets raped or abused, he doesn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:48 PM |
| 7 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?You say this, and yet it is feminism that consistently and constantly downplay men's issues and male victims of rape and domestic abuse. In theory you are completely correct, in practice it is the complete opposite Every single time I bring up data about how men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims, feminists have basically alway reacted by dismissing, invalidating, or trying to poke holes in the data. Virtually none of them care that there could be a HUGE amount of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:37 PM |
| 5 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?You say this, and yet it is feminism that consistently and constantly downplay men's issues and male victims of rape and domestic abuse. In theory you are completely correct, in practice it is the complete opposite but what usually happens is that many men's rights activists are misogynists who take the opportunity to shit on women, and then act like victims. And yet every single time data comes up showing men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half of all rape victims, feminists are t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 03:10 PM |
| 9 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?What do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 4 | Why don't men speak up more about male rights?when people say "fight for social issues" it means exactly that. You speak up, people don't like it, and you instead of acting offended you fight back until you convince everyone you are right. What do you think happens when fighting for men's issues means fighting against feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 1 | There are similar patterns in men anticipating sex, and women anticipating commitmentI agree, but for some reason as a society we seem to think that women are entitled to getting the outcomes they desire, while men get told nobody gives a fuck about their desired outcomes and they're entitled misogynistic pieces of shit if they dare ask for anything. There's a bit of a double standard going on in society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/26 06:16 AM |
| 8 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Unfortunately it is a radical idea to the majority of women here. I am happy to see you are the exception, but you are the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 02:22 PM |
| 7 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Given the definition of radical feminism is believing in the patriarchy and that 90%+ of feminists believe the patriarchy exists and needs to be fought against, it's a distinction without a difference. The 10% of feminists who don't believe in the patriarchy are a tiny and powerless exception. The feminism that is in power, that affects social programs, politics, and public health measures, is radical feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 04:37 AM |
| 3 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Women are definitely capable of being psycho and crazy too. Would be nice if this was acknowledged instead of constantly dismissed, ignored, and that anyone who points it out gets called a misogynistic woman hating incel. The issue is, that men do the vast majority of violent crimes. It would also be nice if they could acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of men have not, do not, and would not ever commit violent crimes, and that they are blaming the vast majority of innocent men for the a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:51 AM |
| 6 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.There are feminists in this very sub who think it's impossible for women to rape men. And they don't get called out by the other women and feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:33 AM |
| 3 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.I don’t stay friends with a woman who puts down men as a whole. It’s about being a human being. You do realize feminism puts down men as a whole constantly and treats men as basically subhuman, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 13 | Women Sometimes Do Bad and Anti-Social Things towards Men and Boys. This is a Radical Idea to Women Here.Please speak up on behalf of the boys, because nobody will listen to either the boys or the men. Thank you for caring and treating boys with basic human dignity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/26 03:29 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Course it doesn't matter. Because you don't like the numbers. And the only numbers you like, are the numbers that dismiss, ignore, and invalidate male domestic abuse victims. The problem is not that I want to believe it. The problem is you refuse to believe anything you don't want to. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I believe this may be the last time I'll interact with you because I see it'S simply pointless to try and discuss with you something you absolutely refuse… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.And while some articles on researchgate might be false, not ALL of them are. That's why we can look into the citations, the data, and the methodology to see where they got their data from, how they evaluated it, and how they came to the conclusions they came to. Instead you dismiss it as fake, corrupted, and a product of misogynistic woman-hating incels, just because you don't like the conclusion the paper comes to. If men don’t report it, you can’t push imagery numbers. That's not how any of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.No dude, it’s fake because it’s a corrupted website so anyone could have posted anything. Right, so just like anyone can post anything on reddit therefore everything on reddit must be fake. The only thing I posted in regards to female victims, was to counter your argument that more men in Canada were victims rather than women, a quick Google search showed the modern numbers dint agree with this. And those are different numbers, because they rely on self-reporting (and men are significantly less … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 08:13 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Because that's your standard, if they don't agree with feminist publications then it must be fake and corrupted and from woman-hating misogynistic incels. Feminists didn’t make up these numbers, they publish them to get help for women. Why can’t men do the same thing without using fake numbers to help male victims? They don't make up numbers about female victims no, but they dismiss, ignore, and invalidate male victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism By determining that the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.The non fake corrupted websites publish the real numbers and ways in which victims are finding themselves in. That’s how you help them. Yes, the non fake corrupted websites with the totally real numbers that totally count for all female victims and totally don't forget or ignore male victims. Those totally non fake corrupted websites that only ever entirely agree with feminism, because feminism could never possibly be wrong about anything and anyone talking about male victims being erased or dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 07:38 PM |
| 3 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doAnd I find it incredibly ironic that the exact same feminism that is basically hyper vigilant against the tiniest microscopic speck of misogyny, is not only completely blind to the rampant misandry in their own movement, but is often as not actively encouraging misogyny in their eternal crusade against the ever present and all powerful patriarchy. It's like, "remove the Empire State Building out of your own eye before you ask men to remove the speck in their eye." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 05:38 PM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I do. You guys conflate listen to with "agree and pity". Funny, because it's generally women who conflate "listen to" with "agree and pity", not men. And if you do listen, clearly you simply don't care about anything that contradicts what you already want to believe, so it's selective listening at best. That's the typical guy that brings up Male Loneliness Epidemic, as mentioned by the guys in those tiktoks. Also, I did a post here and plenty of men implied that men will get hostile with society… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:51 PM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Christian Grey is a hot rich CEO that stalks a random reporter chick. AND WOMEN FOUND THAT SO HOT THEY MADR THE BOOK AN INTERNATIONAL BEST SELLER. Stop blaming men for women's choices. Do you reply think women are like weak children incapable kd making their own choices? Isn't that pretty damn sexist of you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, because the only non fake non corrupt websites are the ones that do erase and dismiss male victims. So clearly we can stop the erasure and dismiss la of male domestic abuse victims, by only using websites that do erase and dismiss male domestic abuse victims. Great plan. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:31 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.No but constantly erasing, dismissing, and invalidating male domestic abuse victims does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 08:35 AM |
| 1 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doSee I agree, I just find it interesting that you automatically paint it that women lying must be lying to save themselves from danger, while men lying must be lying to force women to have sex with them, which is coercion, which is rape. Women can and do lie just as much as men do, they just tend to lie to get different things from men, because while men desire sex more than women, there are other things women want from men. Conflating lies with coercion only muddies the water, and assuming the b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 06:45 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.No I think it’s more like the 2014 paper was written by a women hating incels and now this document has just passed about on websites like that other fake one. Right, everything you disagree with must be written by women-hating incels. Stats Canada had woman-hating incels write their 2014 report too. A Google searched proved you were wrong. I actually agree with you that lots of male victims don’t report abuse, but it’s still not nearly as much as female victims And how do we know that, when we … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 06:36 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.And I'm going to say that due to the constant erasure of male victims, men are significantly less likely to recognize they are being abuse, report they are being abused, or come forwards to the police to claim abuse. So basically you're looking at data that cherry-picks what you want to see while completely ignoring how it erases male victims. Do you think that a bunch of women all decided to be super abusive towards men in 2014 and then all of a sudden stopped? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 04:46 AM |
| – | what preferences are women allowed to have?Women are allowed to have whatever preferences they want. They're just not entitled to not being judged a shallow and superficial, if they have shallow and superficial preferences, that's all. Women can have whatever preferences they want, they just have to accept the judgement that comes with their preferences. Don't want to be judged as shallow and superficial? Don't have shallow and superficial preferences. It's that simple. woman has a preference for a man who’s rich or just financially stab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 03:04 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.For the 3rd time. It’s fake because it’s from a website that anyone can post anything. That's not how science works. It's like saying that everything on reddit is fake because anyone can post anything here. So no, you can’t take these numbers seriously. The fact you keep pushing this and have become just shows you know it but you have your own agenda as usual No, it's just because you don't want to take those numbers seriously. After all, if even Statistics Canada says the same thing, and cites … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:10 AM |
| 3 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doThe original point I was trying to get at was that while lying can be used as a means of coercion, there's still a world of difference between just lying and coercion. Not all lies are coercive, and it is possible to be coercive without lying. Conflating lies and coercion just muddies the water and makes it more difficult to actually arrive at the truth of the matter and more difficult to actually address the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussGood question, why should I care about women? See I care because it may come as a surprise to some, but men are human beings with feelings as well, and men are just as deserving of basic human empathy and compassion as women. And just like we ought to address the issues women face so women have a better life in society, so too should we address the issues men face so men also have a better life in society. Bro just focus on your own dating / sex life and stop worrying about what other people are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:06 AM |
| 2 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussI get worked up about this stuff because I hate how male victims get dismissed and invalidated, usually by the exact same people who want people to care more about female victims who go through the exact same thing. I also get worked up about double standards, hypocrisy, and lying just to paint the other in a worse light to prop oneself up. I find that especially galling when it comes from people who claim to care about equality, then treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 02:03 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.It’s not that you want people to listen to men, is that you want people to listen to the men that agrees with you. Ironic, when you don't want to listen to the men who disagree with you either. You find the men who are an outlier, an extreme, and pretend like this outlier and extreme group is the average normal man. And then you tell men they are wrong when men tell you their own lived experiences. Bit of the pot calling the kettle black there, isn't it? And as for incels, multiple governments, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:49 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.So women didn’t lie to men, it’s you guys lying to each other. Right, women can do no wrong and it's always the fault of men. Remember, it wasn't men who wrote 50 Shades of Grey or made it an international best seller. You talked about the average man, most men don’t bitch about these things. The average man isn’t going around blaming women for a belief from FICTION MADE BY MEN. I don't think you have a clue what the average man actually thinks. I'm sure you think you do, but I'm equally sure yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/26 01:46 AM |
| 4 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doIf she does not answer, is that also a lie and therefore coercion? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 07:50 AM |
| 5 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doNot necessarily, some makeup looks natural so many men can't tell that she is wearing makeup even when she is. Talking isn't the only way to lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:57 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doSo do you think women coerce men when they lie about their looks with makeup? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:54 AM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussDo you really need it written black on white for a woman to say "yeah I falsely accused this guy because I thought he was ugly"??? You do realize that's basically never going to happen right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:41 AM |
| 6 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doIt must be a hard life you live, that you get coerced all the time every time someone tells you a white lie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:23 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doI mean you're not wrong, but there are feminists in this very subreddit who believe that it is impossible for women to rape men, since men are stronger and can just push the women off. I agree we need more education, but as OP's link demonstrates, victim blaming and rape apologia against women has decreased, while victim blaming and rape apologia against men has increased. Something very wrong is happening there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 1 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doYou need to add prison rapes Factually correct, when we count prison rape men are in fact the majority of rape victims. but the bigger question is who is the one raping the man? Overwhelmingly, women. Including female prison guards. Female prison guards and male prisoners might have consented, but due to the power differential it is still counted as rape (as it should). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:20 AM |
| 11 | Debate: Women engage in rape apologia of male victims more than men doWhen women call this whataboutism, it's usually because you're bringing up male victims in response to women talking about women being raped, rather than starting a discussion about male victims on its own. And when a discussion about male victims gets started on its own men get told women are the primary and main victims so we should talk about and address women being raped more and first. Also, a large portion of male rape victims are victimized in prison. Almost but not quite true actually. h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 06:18 AM |
| 3 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussOne is women being treated like a pure innocent angels who can do no wrong by default, being seen as kinder, more moral, and more virtuous. In contrast men tend to be treated like potentially violent murderous rapists by default until or unless proven otherwise. Equality means women are just as smart, just as terrible, just as kind, just as superficial, just as selfless, and just as abusive as men, so we ought to combat that unfair female privilege of being seen as more virtuous, in the same way… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussI mean it's a fine distinction, but it is an important one. Without that fine distinction, we completely erase and gloss over the blatant entitlement, and it's that blatant entitlement that is basically the source of 90% of the problems here. Women are totally allowed to act upon their attraction, the problem is that for some reason it's seen as a problem when men do the same and act upon their attraction. Either it should be ok for both gender, or not ok for either gender, to act on their attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:49 AM |
| 1 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.You can always find exceptions to everything. The question is then, are the experiences of the men you liked, representative of the experiences of the average man? And the answer is, no, they're not. You can keep picking all the exceptions you like, that still doesn't invalidate the majority. You can name literally all the black people who live in Canada one by one, that still won't change the fact that most people who live in Canada are white-skinned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_origin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:42 AM |
| 2 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I mean yeah that's asshole behaviour, but as much as that was an asshole way to go about it, he did signal his preference. They just fuck it up because they’re assholes. And yet for some reason it's the assholes who have the least trouble finding women to be with. Funny how that works out. Guys here swear that women told them being nice would get them laid, and I’m still waiting for that evidence. You mean the overwhelming evidence everywhere in society where every single story about love is bas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:39 AM |
| 6 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discusshttps://www.dailymail.com/news/article-6244083/High-school-clique-mean-girls-sued-targeting-boy-false-allegations-sexual-assault.html "A clique of five girls falsely accused a teenage boy of sexual assault in Pittsburgh. The unnamed boy was fired from his job and served time in juvenile detention. The girls later admitted to making up the allegations because they 'don't like him'" Good enough? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:33 AM |
| 1 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Oh yeah fair enough, I wasn't disagreeing with you either, just kinda adding on/rambling on :p | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussThat's not a double standard. Everyone is entitled to baseline standard of civility and politeness. No one is entitled to attention or attraction. The double standard lies in the contradiction between what they SAY they are attracted to, and what they actually RESPOND to. If I call myself a pacifist, and I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? And women cannot say they are attracted to kind caring smart men, and respond exclusively to tall str… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/26 03:26 AM |
| 10 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discusshttps://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1uxsnpw/i_was_almost_framed_for_rape_in_2019/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/duke-lacrosse-rape-falsely-accused-crystal-mangum https://abcnews.com/Politics/student-falsely-accused-sexual-harassment-denied-due-process/story?id=58592962 The stories are out there. There are hundreds of them. Nobody cares and they get called fake, because the feminist narrative is that there's no way women could ever do bad things to men, and anyways bette… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:38 PM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussMen get offended when mid women are attracted to men who are much more attractive than them. They think these women are being delusional at their chances of actually attracting these men beyond anything that is sexual. Men don't get offended when mid women are attracted to highly attractive men. Men get offended when mid women believe that they are entitled to relationships with men who are much more attractive than them. Men get offended when these delusional mid women believe themselves entitl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:33 PM |
| 12 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussGenerally I agree, the double standards creep in when society sees it as discriminatory and unacceptable when men do it to women, but totally fine and justified when women do it to men. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:27 PM |
| 5 | Fellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? DiscussFellas, is it discriminatory for women to experience attraction? Discuss I mean that depends. Are we going to call it discriminatory when men experience attraction? I don’t get why men act like women experiencing attraction and treating guys differently based on whether they’re attractive to them is so cruel and terrible and some sort of double standard? Oh no women are absolutely allowed to treat men with massive double standards depending on whether they find him attractive or not. They just h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:24 PM |
| 3 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.It's less that men are less to blame, and more that women often want to paint themselves as victims of horrible men, while completely ignoring and denying any responsibility they have for their own situation. Men iterallt have a saying, "don't stick your dick in crazy" that inherently tells men they are responsible and accountable for their own choices, and if they stuck their dick in crazy, it's their own fault. There is no such saying for women, on the women's side all the blame is completely … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 09:15 PM |
| 4 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I don't know why you think men almost never acknowledge that. Most men absolutely do acknowledge that, and would condemn the man for doing something bad. What men don't like is women blaming all the other innocent men, for the actions of that one bad man. Some women do like bad boys, some women are attracted to traits that are close to bad traits, like mistaking arrogance and confidence, and women generally preferring benevolent sexism even if it's often associated with actual hostile sexism, in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 08:26 PM |
| 3 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.No one is stuck in a relationship but let's not pretend like solitude and loneliness aren't painful, and let's not pretend like breaking bonds isn't also painful. People are not unemotional robots, we all have attachments and create bonds with one another. Pretending it isn't so and evaluating the situation like we're all emotionless robots is not useful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, it's all fake and made up because you don't like what it says, therefore none of it could ever be true. I can prove where it came from, I literally posted the link, quoted their paper, and the authors cited their sources. They all point to previous scientific publications as proof. The fact you are blatantly ignoring it and apparently fundamentally have no idea how science works, is not an argument against the scientific publication. But I know that you can't convince a delusional person … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:50 PM |
| 5 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.I mean I have no idea if the woman was rude to him first and the guy was rude in return, or if he was just an asshole and the other guys who see nothing wrong are also assholes, I don't know. But you making the jump from "well I showed this video to guys online" to"therefore men have tons of options on dating" is just completely wrong. You're basing your entire reasoning about men in general off of one anecdote. Look, do you want men to listen to women's lived experiences, yes or no? Because if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:48 PM |
| 6 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.Of course, everyone is responsible for who they choose to date. But if people ask "why are people telling women to choose better and not men", well, this is why. When women have 20x the choices men have, they have many more good partners to pick from, they're not stuck with whatever crappy hand they happen to be dealt with like most men. Everyone can complain for sure, but women complaining that they can't get good men, while men largely can't get dates at all, is like someone complaining that n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, and you determine it must be fake because it doesn't agree with what you want to believe, while completely ignoring the science and methodology. Very impartial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:40 PM |
| 11 | There’s no point in women freely give away sexual attention when men dont appreciate it.That's because women overwhelmingly have massively more choice than men do. Women on dating apps on average have 20x more matches than men do. Women approaching men IRL have SIGNIFICANTLY higher chances of actually getting a date and not getting rejected. Men do not have that luxury. Men and women are basically playing completely different games when it comes to dating with different rules. Women have the luxury of basically choosing whoever they want, while men largely have to do the best they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 04:00 PM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.And yet, this "fake website" has the same conclusion as the link I shared from statistics Canada, that also concludes that half the domestic abuse victims are men. Just because there add some fake research articles on that website, does not mean they are all fake, and does not mean you get to call them fake just because you don't like the conclusion they come to. I assume you don't support trump, but you seem to enjoy using the same "fake news" tactics as he does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 03:44 PM |
| 1 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.At this point I don't know what to tell you, I am literally quoting the paper where they themselves explain their methodology. That's how science works. The paper goes "we added it up and 2+2=4" and you go "no that's wrong". You don't bother to make any arguments, you don't try and quote anything, just flat out complete denial and refusal to acknowledge or address anything. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it hate. But at least we can agree, if feminism is for women, then it is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 08:38 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'm quoting the literal study. The literal study says their selection criteria is Both reviews had three inclusion criteria. First, studies were included where they presented empirical data regarding the prevalence of physical IPV perpetration (from the perspective of the victim in the victimization review). Second, the IPV must have occurred within a heterosexual relationship. Third, articles were excluded where they sampled from either (a) an identified victim population, such as within a shel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:30 AM |
| 2 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'm quoting a literal study that I cited at the top of my comment. I don't hate women, I hate how feminism lies about domestic abuse. I'm sorry you believe that any numbers you don't like are "made up". I sincerely hope no boys or men in your family get abused, because you clearly won't be of any help to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/26 07:05 AM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I agree that anything fake or made up shouldn't be used as fact. I'm well aware of the feminist lies that constantly dismiss, erase, invalidate, and discredit male abuse victims at the hands of women. It is close to female victims, and it is in fact overwhelmingly done by women, not other men. There's no way half the domestic abuse victims can be men, and they'd all be abused by other men, when gay men make up 10% of all men. It's both incredibly homophobic to blame gay men for domestic abuse, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:23 PM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I'Ve been using real facts all along. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they stop being real. The original post was based on this source https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388675702_Rates_of_Male_and_Female_Physical_Victimization_and_Perpetration_in_Intimate_Relationships_A_Comprehensive_Review "Rates of Male and Female Physical Victimization and Perpetration in Intimate Relationships: A Comprehensive Review" Which states: "Across studies, approximately one in seven women (14.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Thanks, I'll use that to quote at feminists too, bookmarked that study! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 11:12 PM |
| 7 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.I guess you also think statistics Canada is lying https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303-eng.pdf?st=G3YeIgkV "In 2014, slightly more men (4.2%) than women (3.5%) reported being victims of spousal violence during the preceding 5 years. This translated into about 342,000 women and 418,000 men across the provinces. " And this study must be fake news as well. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_P… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:29 AM |
| 3 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.Right, anything that goes against what feminism says MUST be fake and MUST be because we hate women. It can't possibly because we actually care about male abuse victims. Have you ever heard of the terms "confirmation bias" and "persecution complex" before? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 08:23 AM |
| 10 | Women are right: It's not all men, but it's always a man.You do realize men are half the domestic abuse victims, women are half the abusers, and 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male, right? https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/26 05:26 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingIt frustrates me when people say women are less aggressive because it's just not true. Women are people just like men, and they are just as aggressive, they just express it differently. Certainly doesn't help thwt feminism eagerly repars that lie as often as possible to paint men in the worst possible light and women in the best possible light. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 07:12 PM |
| 2 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingbut they’re just trying to make their lives better You mean like how feminists constantly and consistently deny and erase the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims? https://thetinmen.blog/50-of-intimate-partner-violence-was-bilateral-with-both-part/ Or like how feminism constantly and consistently denies that men are near half the rape victims? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/ Or like how it is legally impo… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 06:36 AM |
| 1 | I wish the feminists would at least be open about hating us rather than resorting to all of the denialism and victim blamingIt'S less physically aggressive, but it is just as if not more socially and emotionally aggressive. Just because it's not physical, doesn't mean it's not aggressive. | /r/MensRights | 14/07/26 06:34 AM |
| 2 | How feminism maintains unfalsifiability (which is bad for any framework)In as much as there are egalitarian theories they are not feminist, and in as much as there are feminist theories they are not egalitarian. It's a bit like saying we're making a square/circle shape. The two are not compatible. The "feminist egalitarian" theories that try to break free from traditional sexism, which can benefit men and women, is still largely fine with sexism that benefits women and largely silent on sexism that harms men. If they did address both equally, they'd be egalitarian, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/26 09:01 PM |
| 0 | How feminism maintains unfalsifiability (which is bad for any framework)The problem is the misandric bias, not necessarily the feminist/egalitarian theories themselves. That's a distinction without a difference. Feminism is inherently misandrist and anti egalitarian. You can't NOT have misandry when feminism sees men as the violent oppressors by default and women as the innocent oppressed victims by default. The midandric bias is baked in as a core part of feminism. That's not a bug, that's a feature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/26 06:02 PM |
| 6 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notOppression always sucked, the new thing is not that oppression sucks, the new thing is that apparently only women are ever allowed to be oppressed and men aren't allowed to be oppressed or face serious issues. I'm just calling out the double standards. Have your descendants get back to mine in 4026. Then we will call it even. You do realize that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind right? You gonna advocate to poke out a innocent baby boys eyes today because some woman's eyes were poke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/26 03:17 AM |
| 15 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notGood question, if you blame them for past sins, you gonna give them the past credit too? Or you gonna blame them for past sins then tell them they didn't do anything to deserve past credit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 06:57 PM |
| 18 | Women who choose to remain single are viewed as empowered, men are notDoes the oppression of women in the past, justify oppressing innocent men in the future who had absolutely nothing to do with the oppression of women? Are individual innocent men to be held guilty for the sins of all other men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:46 PM |
| – | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.If by "save time" you mean "save time by not having dates at all" I agree. When you've only got the one potential date a month, and you're filtering out more than half of them, you're damn close to just giving up on dating completely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/26 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Society only "appreciates" men if they get married or get some kind of approval from women.Very true, and yet when this exact same kind of pressure and lack of approval is directed at women it is capped patriarchal and controlling and oppressive, whether or not the woman is unaffected by society's lack of approval. Odd double standard isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?First of all, that is still greedy and overly demanding No, that is your interpretation. Second of all, you didn’t specify the beginning of the relationship. You specified commitment, which usually is a conversation after a few months. That's fair, I probably should have specified that, but no, women generally expect commitment and signals of commitment from men pretty much right from the beginning, if they're not looking for one night stands. Third of all, you are attempting to detail the conve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 03:42 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?I meant more to say that women in the early stages of relationships tend to demand far more from men than they are willing to give to men. Later on in the relationship that might change but that's how it is early on, regardless of the fact women largely refuse to admit this. I don't hate women, if anything I hate dishonesty and manipulation and hypocrisy. Surely we'd all be better off if all dishonesty, manipulation, and hypocrisy was called out in both women and men, right? None of these words … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 03:21 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?If you don’t intend to describe women as greedy and overly demanding by saying women want way more than men and women just want money and gifts and unrealistic stuff, then spell out what you mean. I did. I spelled out exactly what I meant. I am not responsible for your interpretation of what I write. Men love to backtrack out of their bigotry towards women when called out. And women do the same. It's a trait of bad people, and that happens to women and men both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/26 03:08 AM |
| 4 | What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of?As a man, no that is not what we are told to do. Please stop ignoring and dismissing lens loved experiences. You want men to take women at their word for women's lived experiences? Then women have to take men at their word for men's lived experiences. Rules for thee but not for me is incompatible with equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 07:03 PM |
| 4 | What Aspects of Men's dating life do you have find yourself getting jealous of?He is a lucky man, because most women don't seem to love taking care of their man at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpI'm not sure what you mean here, can you elaborate? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 01:18 PM |
| 1 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?GREEDY OVERLY DEMANDING THAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT I SAID. I didn't say that. Thank you for proving my point. And when women don’t grovel in response, men call it misandry. That is your interpretation of what I said. I didn't say that. Thank you for proving my point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 12:37 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?No that is what you think I said. That is your interpretation of what I said. I said men massively agree that paying a high price in commitment for a mediocre prize is not worth it, which is why they don't want to commit. If women made it worth it for men to commit, then men wouldn't hesitate. But women don't want to do that. So men don't commit, because it's not worth it for men. Women are not owed commitment from men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/26 12:02 AM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?You describe women as greedy, lazy, overly demanding, opportunistic, sadistic, unloving, undeserving of commitment, and worthless for anything besides sex. I never said that, that's your interpretation of what I said. I am only responsible for what I say, I am not responsible for what you understand. Even if you deny it, the shit you said is hate for women. And what I said is not even 10% as heinous as what women said with the man vs bear nonsense. Most men think the way you do. Good, then those… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 11:41 PM |
| 2 | Why don't women just use a chore chart in the home?Hey there, I didn't reply to this at first because I wasn't quite ready to, and then while I did save the tab to reply, it kinda got buried and I forgot about it for a while, sorry about that. Thank you for the thoughtful response in return. I can definitely feel the authenticity and genuineness in what you say, and I am sorry you have gone through much of your life not liking who you were as a person. My journey on improving my mental health has continued, and improving the physical health is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:33 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpYep. Unfortunately so are half the feminists out there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?It's mainstream. Hating men is mainstream. Men simply respond, and women call it hate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 10:01 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Yeah no it is most definitely not mainstream. The blue pill and feminism are mainstream, and hating men is accepted in mainstream feminism, if you dress up the misandry in flowery enough language. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 08:05 PM |
| 4 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Most men don't either. I simply repeat what men say about men in men’s spaces. Sure you do. If I repeated all the horrible things women say about other women in women's spaces I'm sure you'd tell me I'm misogynistic and taking it out of context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Right, if men say sociopathic stuff about women then women are justified in hating men. If women say sociopathic stuff about men, and they do, does this mean men are justified in hating women? When men describe women as greedy, money hungry, undeserving of commitment overly demanding, and worthless beyond sex, it’s no wonder we done want to grovel and beg. And when women say men are psychopathic violent uncaring unfeeling brutes, worthless except for what they can provide, it's no wonder men don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 07:12 PM |
| 2 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?The price of commitment that women pay is to not just fuck other dudes? I disagree with that but if that's your perspective then sure. I mean there is a time commitment for sure, but the guy is committing his time as well so it's even. If I am wrong and there is more that you believe men expect from women as commitment, by all means do share, if I am wrong I would like to know it. By that logic I can say that women aren't scum if they're gold diggers and use men like ATMs. After all men's bad be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 06:36 PM |
| 4 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Funny you should say that because 7% of UK men under 30 have a negative opinion of women, while 21% of women have a negative opinion of men. It seems women truly and utterly despise men more than the other way around. You describe. Women as greedy, money hungry, undeserving of commitment, overly demanding, and worthless beyond sex. No, you interpreted my comment as meaning this and making a judgement. I am merely pointing out reality from a man's lived experience and perspective. I am not making… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 06:25 PM |
| 3 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Fair, and yeah poor guys, they're going to have to break it off :/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 04:07 PM |
| 5 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Just to know, what makes it a situationships? He wants more commitment, and she doesn't want to be in a relationship, but she sticks around enjoying the benefits? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Largely it's because a man's idea of commitment is that they spend time together and are exclusive to one another, while women's idea of commitment is that they spend time together and are exclusive to one another, but also that he invests a ton of time and money and effort into her and into the relationship in ways that benefits her, while she doesn't have to do anything or invest anything in return if she doesn't feel like it. Women demand a high price from men in commitment, while largely men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:44 PM |
| 8 | Why do women keep getting into situationships?Being honest? Most of women have been told that men hate commitment and that it's so uncool to want a label. Seems to me this is a thing women tell other women about men, because that's not how any guy i know would describe it. From what I've seen it's almost universally and uniquely a woman thing to want to avoid labels, most guys would love to have the girlfriend/boyfriend label, and the commitment, with someone who is worth it. Men are not afraid of commitment. Men are afraid of the price of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:37 PM |
| 3 | If women put more effort into their apps, maybe theyd see more success too.Totally agree. The double standards is that, as a society when women complain we validate them and tell them men are horrible and need to do better, but when men complain we tell them to man up, do better, and they're not entitled to anything from women. And it is perfectly valid to be frustrated about this obvious double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 03:04 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenMen have faced, and continue to face historical oppression, but those axis of oppression are not a consequence of their manhood, so much as their subordinate status in some other hierarchy. See this is the argument that keeps being asserted, and that I do not agree with. Men face more severe risks of homelessness because they are men. Men face more severe risks of suicide because they are men. Men face more severe risks of being murdered because they are men. Men face more severe risks of being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenOk that's a fair point, I suppose I should say there is a difference between peacetime and wartime, and when a country loses the war then all bets are off completely and there are no rules, it is vae victus, woe to the vanquished. The thing is though there are many countries without the draft, it is not always necessary, and when men got the right to vote in the UK they only got it with the draft as a condition. If we're going to recognize the issues that historically oppressed women, we have to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/26 01:23 AM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenyou default to the same vapid interpretation of a worldview that you don't share. Well yeah, because I am asking for the justification for thinking that worldview and interpretation is correct. I understand how the worldview is internally consistent, once we accept the premises, the question is why should I accept those premises as being true in the first place. Can you name a marital tradition wherein the mother gives away her son when walking down the aisle? I don't need to, I simply need to p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 11:59 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThey were never traded away between families to secure alliances, So were men. Marriages as alliance between families used both sons and daughters to make that alliance work. or purchased using dowry If your boss purchases your time when you work for him, does it mean your boss owns you as property? taken as spoils in war? I mean when it comes to war the rules change because it's a conflict between societies. Women could be taken as spoils, or have their throats slit along with the men and boys,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 11:34 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWomen have been slaves just as much as men have been slaves. That was due to slavery, not due to their gender. "People who are property" are slaves. The vast majority of women in western history were not property, because being property means being a slave, and the vast majority of women were not slaves. You're saying women were 2nd class citizens because they were treated as property. They were not. People who are treated as property are slaves, and women are not slaves. So the metric by which … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 11:16 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenPeople who are property are slaves. Women were not slaves. So if women were not property and were not slaves, what metric did we use to determine that they are 2nd class citizens? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:56 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWell hold on now, if part of men's patriarchal duties is to protect women and die to protect women as needed, how did we determine that women must be 2nd class citizens? I'd agree with you in situations where men could vote but women couldn't, but that's an incredibly tiny slice of history since for the past 2000 years the overwhelming majority of men couldn't vote either. So what metric did we use to determine that women are in fact 2nd class citizens, and how do we know those metrics don't als… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:31 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenRight, but then can't we also turn around and say women are privileged by the patriarchy, provided women can uphold the patriarchal standard for women, and that the oppression women face is a direct consequence of failing to do so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:08 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenMen under patriarchy are oppressed by the system of patriarchy itself. Well hold on a minute, earlier you said men benefited from the patriarchy and were not oppressed by it. So which is it? Are men oppressed by the patriarchy or do men benefit from the patriarchy? Would it be better to split "men" into smaller groups to more accurately describe which men are oppressed by the patriarchy and which men benefit from the patriarchy? The LBJ quote I'm referring to is, if memory serves "if you can con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 10:03 PM |
| 1 | Women are not more emotionally intelligent, Men just complain lessI mean women on here love to femsplain men's lived experiences at men all the time, welcome to equality I guess? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 09:46 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe men harmed by patriarchy aren't being ignored. They're willfully buying into the system harming them. No I mean you and feminism are ignoring them. You are saying they are buying into the ayatem, so the harm done to them doesn't matter, doesn't count as oppression, and doesn't even need to be looked at or taken into account. The harm men go through at the hands of the patriarchy gets almost completely ignored and dismissed. If we actually fully quantified and took into account the amount tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIt's impossible for any but a select few to reach the top, but depending on how well you uphold the allied hierarchical systems, it will be relatively simple to take a rung above the people who can't. And if that is true, why do we say the patriarchy is a system that benefits men, when most people who get stepped on and who are at the bottom rung of society, are men? This is not a rare case, this is not an accident, this is not an outlier. It is the norm that in the patriarchal system we live in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 09:19 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantI don't see men as incapable. I just recognize that half the time, men aren't the problem, and so men canot fix what they aren't causing and aren't responsible for. Men ought to fox what men are responsible for and women ought to fix what women are responsible for, it's just nobody, and especially not feminism, wants to ever recognize or acknowledge that women cause problems and are the problem just as often as men are. Thanks for the condescension, I appreciate you showing how little women care… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:43 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenStill committing the apex fallacy, you're looking at the 10 men who succeed and ignoring the 10,000 men who failed. Again, patriarchy is shit for everybody, but mechanically it is elevating a specific kind of people. Yes, a tiny fraction of men, at the expense of most men and women. So if the patriarchy elevated a tiny minority of men at the expense of most men, how can it benefit men? We describe hierarchies by who's at the top, not who's involved in maintaining it, or punished for failure. We … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:36 PM |
| 4 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFeminism believes men can be victims of the patriarchy, but since men set up and enforce the patriarchy, its basically a roundabout way to say men are hurting themselves, so it doesn't count as oppression, and men don't deserve help because they're hurting themselves. It's an elaborate form of victim blaming and erasing male victims to focus on men being perpetrators, to better fit with the feminist dichotomy of men being oppressive perpetrators and never victims, and women are always oppressed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:27 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenBecause disproportionately, most people at the top are men too. But, again, there are far more men at the bottom than at the top. So why do we say the game favours men when the vast majority of losers are men, and the majority of men lose out, while the majority of women might not win but enjoy a comfortable and safe middle? That's why it's a commonly held academic standard that patriarchy hurts everyone. It just affords higher ceilings to men, and lower floors to failed men. Higher ceilings, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 08:13 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFair, I should have been more clear and say feminism doesn't believe that men as a group can be victims of any systematic oppression. Most people can recognize individual men can be victims, it's just feminists refuse to acknowledge when men are victims of issues because they are a man. Per being victim of the rp and mansophere, oh no, how dare men fall victims to groups that actually listen to them and validate their problems, instead of leftists and feminists who tell men they never face any s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:59 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe patriarchal bargain is giving up autonomy in order to obtain security within a system that doesn't value Women as equal people, but as social capital or free domestic labor. And in your opinion, what does the patriarchal system view men as? Because it seems if women can so easily leverage what they have to avoid falling to the bottom of the pyramid, and that most people who fall to the bottom of the pyramid are men, then this system seems to give significantly more privileges and benefits to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWomen are viewed as beauty objects, men as success objects. Both are equally dehumanizing, but of course you only care about the women because of the feminist blinders you have on that day women must always be the bigger victims. Remember, trophy wives largely chose to be that way, nobody forced them. Do you want to treat women as equals who are equally responsible and equally accountable for their own choices, or do you want to infantilize women, claim they are not equal to men, and cannot be h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:49 PM |
| 2 | For the most part, the idea of "unpaid domestic labor" either doesn't exist or isn't relevantFrom your own source The wage gap is calculated by comparing the median earnings for all women working full-time year-round compared to that of all men working full-time year-round, says Vasu Reddy, director of state policy for workplace justice at the National Women’s Law Center. This is why the wage gap is debunked. It doesn't take into account career, experience, training, or hours worked, it just adds up all the money women make and all the money men make, and then declares that since women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:09 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenHow does the patriarchal bargain explain that the vast majority of people at the bottom are men, and that 80% of suicide victims, murder victims, and homeless people are men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:20 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIf you equalize parties across race and class, the largest disparity in outcomes comes from gender. Well yes, because we've equalized everything else, but the disparity is not consistently and solely in favour of women and stacked consistently and solely in men's favour. Because if that were true we wouldn't see that near 80% of suicidal people, homeless people, and murdered people were men. Most of the people at the top are men, but so are most people at the bottom men too, and there are millio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 05:33 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenMy premise is not that women are always the victim. And yet that is literally the first conclusion you seem to jump to in every single situation, so how can you end up at "women are always the victim" all the time in every situation if it's not in the core premises somewhere? Feminism has little to say on issues of race or class, and we have already covered this point. For a group that claims to have little to say on the issues of race or class it sure talks a lot about it. Also funny how in dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:17 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI'm fully aware of what a reductio ad absurdum is, the irony is that it's not a fallacy, it's a legitimate way to make an argument. From the wiki In logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin for "reduction to absurdity"), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity"), apagogical argument, or proof by contradiction, is the form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that following the logic of a contrary proposition or argument would lead to absurdity or con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:10 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenExcept it's not. It's to accommodate human endurance, because nobody can work for 4 weeks straight, but people can work in 8 hour shifts with 3 shifts per day in a factory to keep the factory running 24/7. This has nothing to do with hormonal cycles. If anything it is dehumanizing and sees people as machines, unthinking parts in a chain used to extract labour and value out of them, regardless of what gender the workers are. But we can't see it that way, because we have to frame everything from t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 04:04 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIt's designed around a 24 hour work shift at a factory to keep it constantly running. This is not some kind of secret conspiracy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 03:57 PM |
| 1 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menWhen I look at a system designed to benefit a class, I don't look at who's buried under the gears, I look to who's pulling them. But we don't know who the system is designed to benefit from. We're just looking at the consequences of the system. How could you assume that the class that benefits from the system, is the exact dame class that gets buried under the gears? Billionaires, Business moguls, War profiteers and governors, all predominantly men. And all a tiny mi uscule fraction of men. All … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:47 AM |
| 1 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menWell yes. Imagine for a moment that women are not always the most oppressed and are not always the biggest victims. Imagine for a moment that we are observing reality for what it is, without imposing our judgement or pre-conceived notions on it. Imagine for a moment that we evaluate systems by the consequences it has. Imagine this system results on 80% of suicide victims being men, 80% of murder victims being men, 75%+ of the homeless being men, 95% of workplace fatalities being men, that men do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 07:18 AM |
| 0 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menSo basically you've got your blinders firmly screwed on, and you refuse to take them off, refuse to make thought experiments, and refuse to acknowledge the existence of those blinders. And you think you can have honest good faith discussions like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:56 AM |
| 4 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menI am terribly sorry to hear. I've been through an abusive relationship that lasted 7 years, feels like I'm kinda barely out of teenage years myself despite turning 34. I hope you'll take the time to heal and make your own life better, and that you will find someone with whom you can feel comfortable and happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:53 AM |
| 8 | Men are not a monolith, but women are (according to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis). 🔵BP constantly conflates the experiences and capabilities of High value vs. Low value menI find it crazy that men here think there is no difference in the experiences of beautiful women vs. ugly women, or high value women vs. low value women. Apparently data shows that attractiveness has a huge impact on whether a man can find a partner, but lack of attractiveness doesn't really decrease a woman's ability to get a partner, just the calibre of partner she can get. Basically, getting a partner is not guaranteed for women, but it's a hell of a lot more certain than for men. So there is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 06:52 AM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThat "sweeping generalization" is directly the result of interacting with the average feminist. The ones that don't read a book of theory, the ones that don't take their time to examine issues systemically or their position within the system. It's the feminism discussed in internet forums or legacy media outlets. It's the propagandized, watered down theory that isn't grounded in any structural understanding of capital, patriarchy, or white supremacy. Well yes, that's the average feminist and the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 01:41 AM |
| – | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You know, this is so incredibly tiring, that every time there is a discussion about men's issues and how men need help, it always gets blamed back on men. For some reason it's never appropriate to victim blame women, but victim blaming men is literally the default option whenever men's issues get raised. I agree that male on male emotional connection is hugely important and we need more of it. I can agree with this and still recognize that as a society, we have failed men. I can still recognize … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Thanks for the apology, and it's all good. Wasn't trying to blame you or anything, just wanted to try and clear up that misunderstanding. Because women aren't on dating apps. They flee them en masse. There are up to 9 men for 1 woman on some apps so it's likely your profile hasn't even been shown to many women at all. One exception is Bumble, and it's the only dating app on which women get to make the first move. So I disagree with your premise that this is something they don't like. I mean you'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/26 01:14 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenYou seem to have conflated the idea of "the biggest victim" with "disproportionately harmed in all cases." That's the thing though. Women are not "dispropoirtionayely harmed in all cases". I'm pointing out there are a significant number of cases where it is in fact men who are disproportionately harmed, but because this doesn't fit into the "male oppressor female oppressed" narrative feminism wants to push, then those instances where men are being disproportionately harmed gets constantly and co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 11:49 PM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI also don't know what to tell you dawg. I keep quoting you facts, citing feminists, demonstrating what I mean with my points, and every time you just ignore it and move on to something else, like I didn't just disprove the other 10 points you brought up previously and ignored. but I haven't seen a feminist ever say that gender is the primary axis of oppression in all circumstances. Where have you been the last 100 years? Feminism has ALWAYS treated gender oppression as the single largest axis o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 11:32 PM |
| – | “Would you love me if I was (sic) a worm?” is the single most valid concern/insecurity women have and men should be ashamed for mocking them over itNo, she's supposed to act like an adult. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?You're welcome and have a nice day as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?I am genuinely happy for you, and the world needs more relationships like yours. Unfortunately most are not, and society doesn't seem to care about making relationships more equal and better for both partners, than it cares about making relationships better for women. I agree we have to do what is best for ourselves, but we also have to be aware of wider social issues, we can't just pretend they don't exist. Find what you want and leave everyone else tf alone. That would be better if as a societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 08:42 PM |
| 0 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?Spontaneous, romantic things are chores for everyone. Spontaneous, romantic things are chores for everyone, but somehow men end up doing that chore far far far more than women. If people want to have an actual egalitarian relationship, rather than the old kind of patriarchal relationship, then either women need to do more romantic things for men, expect less from men, or at the very least be more appreciative rather than considering men doing romantic things for her the bare minimum. You want so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 07:38 PM |
| 0 | Has your past/current female partners wanted more or less sex than you?I mean you're not wrong. It would just be nice if women in general could also understand that making spontaneous romantic things is a chore for men, and it's a chore well do despite the fact we don't like, because we would like to have sex. Women in general seem to act as though they want sex but would never do anything they don't like or consider a chore to get sex. I'm not saying women have to do more for men necessarily, but it would be nice if women could appreciate more the things men do fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThat is not evidence for what the majority of feminists believe. It's evidence that you've found examples that support your conclusion. I mean fair, Mary Koss and the Duluth model are not proof that the majority of feminists believe this. The fact the vast majority of feminists implicitly agree with and condone both however, is an indication that the vast majority of feminists agree with and condone the work of Mary Koss and of the Duluth model. So it's effectively a distinction without a differ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/26 12:52 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenthen immediately follow it with "at its core feminism believes..." That's still a sweeping generalisation. Is that core generalization wrong? You're taking examples you dislike and declaring they represent the essence of an entire movement. No, I'm pointing out significant cases where feminism has not acted in favour of equality, feminism has acted in favour of INEQUALITY, wherever it benefits women, even if it harms men. That's kind of a big deal for a movement that claims to be all about equal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?People can also choose to call out double standards and unfair social expectations. Feminism is literally doing this on behalf of women. We can do the same for men too. Don’t hang or talk to the women and men that don’t help. That’s the other thing people can do. This is also totally fair. You have a good night too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:24 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?Damn bro, I love my fiancé too much to do him dirty like this to a bunch of strangers. I mean that shows you are one of the good ones, but the vast majority of people who go on the internet and disparage their significant other, are not men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:23 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I'd much prefer if men weren't the main reason to need protection in the first place. Men are not the main reason to need protection in the first place. A tiny minority of men are. The "men protect" argument always sounds like one of those mafia goons telling someone about how their store is nice and it would be a shame if something happened to it. You know you can just say you hate men. You get no gold stars for offering protection when you're the reason why it's needed to begin with You're pai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:22 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?And here in lies the problem, not you or I know every man or woman, so we don’t know what the majority of anyone does. Crazy how that works. Well see we can look at what is happening in society in general and broader trends. We're not limited to having information only about the people immediately around us. So that's not really a problem at all. Like I said, everyone should everyone, period. And if you don’t want to, continue being a jerk, and good people will know to stay away from those. I ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:19 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I'm not saying no men help anyone, ironically enough men are told to help everyone, while women largely only help people they know and care about. So men start doing the same and only hep people they know and care about. And all of a sudden it's a problem when men do the exact same thing most women are already doing. Because the problem is the "rules for thee but not for me" mentality, where men are expected to do things to help women out, while women declare that not only do they have no obliga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 04:00 AM |
| 1 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI'm not saying that this is ALL of what feminism is. I'm simply saying that at its core, feminism treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit. I'm glad you agree that some feminist ideas and policies deserve criticism. The problem is that most feminist criticism has to do with implementing ideas better according to feminism, and has virtually no criticism whatsoever for how male victims are erased, dismissed, or ignored. That's kind of the problem. Where is the outrage t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:52 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?You can only control yourself and those in your inner circle, but if you are trying to push for wider social changes (like getting everyone to help everyone else more) then you also have to understand the realities of the wider social situation you are trying to change. And the reality of the wider social situation is that largely women do not want to help men and will not help men, but demand that men help women. And that kind of one-sided equality exclusively to women's benefit is everywhere i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:45 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I mean they are, but good luck getting the 75% of women who are wrong, to change their mind. The gender gap in empathy is real. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/202004/the-gender-gap-in-empathy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:39 AM |
| – | Do women feel entitled to men's bodies?I mean I agree with you that everyone should help. Most women have made it clear they don't care about men and don't want to help men though. So everyone should help, but the axis of who will actually end up being expected to help is largely going to be not women. And any effort to try and change that is going to be strenuously opposed by feminists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/26 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Look, you can identify a speck of red sand on a black sand beach, but what you're doing is looking at all the red sand and ignoring the black sand, and saying "see it's all red". Well of course what you see is all red, you picked out the red and ignored the black sand. If I wasn’t bored with this interaction I’d ask if you would like to discuss male patterns of behaviour but it would likely just hurt your feelings and make you go “but women” again? I actually wouldn't mind having this kind of di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️And also yes you’re getting it most men are not stoic they just claim to be (my point). But you can't know that since you only look at the men who aren't being stoic while you completely ignore the men who ARE being stoic. I’d go further and suggest most men have never even read into the philosophy of stoicism. I mean I agree with you, but most people just don't read into philosophy, period. Without even looking into data on male patterns of behaviour you can just take a population sample of PPD… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You used the word failures buddy. You know that's kinda fair, I meant failure as in the opposite of success, as in the opposite of surviving, when I'm pointing out how you do the opposite of the survivorship bias. I didn't mean to say that men are failures, I was pointing out the men who fail to be stoic according to you. And it’s funny that you prove the point that men see being stoic as an identity claim rather than actually being stoic. Not sure what you mean here. Actually being stoic is ass… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 02:54 PM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Where did you glean hate from my observations that’s very testerical. When you said "I don’t and have never observed men to be stoic and actually bottling shit up. They walk around like a dark cloud and expect people to tolerate it. Then when they have tantrums it’s a crisis and everyone else’s problem." and when I pointed out how you ignore all the successfully stoic men, and you're only looking at the men who you call failures. Women aren’t the ones doing logical gender ™ and then going home r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 05:05 AM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Happy to hear you are happily married! And struggling but still trying is absolutely better than not trying, struggling is a sign there is a will to improve :) May you and your husband live long and prosper :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You are a rare breed of woman indeed then because most women do not like bi guys at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You are not interested in men either, you are just interested in hating men. I do know most men are failures by way of observation. Funny, if I said I know all women are whores by way of observation, will you agree with me? You’re unreliable narrators. Right, but you and other women are not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 01:34 AM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You can't know that most men are failures, because you aren't even looking at most men, you are exclusively looking at the men who failed and ignoring the men who succeeded. It would be like if I went and looked exclusively at hookers, and then concluded that all women are whores. The narrative just allows very OPEN emotional behaviour to be excused, ignored or accepted when coming from a man. And you have no idea how much more restricted the narrative is for men, compared to the wide variety of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/26 12:00 AM |
| 3 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Totally fair on the screaming at you, threatening you, banging or throwing things, those are all completely unacceptable. It's childish temper tantrum behaviour and unacceptable. I am sorry to hear you had to deal with that with your ex, nobody deserves to be afraid from their partner in a healthy relationship. I am happy you found a better guy and it sounds like he is lucky to have you as well. Unfortunately it seems somewhere around more than 50% of women have a very hard time tolerating their… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Ah then yeah that guy in particular is behaving like an emotionally mature kid. Sorry you had to go through that, but that's just the one guy, it has little to no relevance about men in general. Feel free to say how that guy was a jerk, but again, it has nothing to do with the other 99.99% of men. When I told him “you need to get over it or stop coming over” I was the bad guy Yeah that's a common reaction from people who have poor emotional control, they blame everyone else as bad because others… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:49 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️And I'm saying if men suffer in silence, how will you know they're suffering? You won't, because they're suffering in silence. What you're describing is quite literally the opposite of survivorship bias. You are looking at the failures, because of course the men who are successfully stoic, are being silent, and thus you do not see their suffering. Your entire point is literally built on a sampling bias. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Feel free to explain how, your reply is so unrelated to what I said I'm half convinced you replied to the wrong comment by accident. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:24 PM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️I mean that's totally fair, but how do you define what kind of anger men can express that doesn't scare you? Because there are women who will find ANY kind of anger whatsoever from a man scary. If you can truly handle however men open up without demands and they can be themselves completely, then congratulations you are a rare breed of woman. Whoever you are with will be lucky to be with you. Unfortunately, 75%+ of women are not like you and cannot or will not tolerate men opening up in any way … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:23 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Well see the problem is if he opens up he likely won't get help, and he would be pushing that shit down and holding frame, except now he can't because he's at his limit. You're telling him basically to man up or open up, except odds are everyone he's opened up to has used that to hurt him back in some way. And if you behaved the same you'd expect him to have compassion and understanding for you, but you don't seem to have much for him, which points to why it would be a bad idea for him to open u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:18 PM |
| 2 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️I don’t and have never observed men to be stoic and actually bottling shit up. T Well of course you haven't. Because if men are stoic and actually bottle shit up, you won't see it. It's like saying "I've never seen any invisible ghosts". Well of course, if I had seen those ghosts, they wouldn't be invisible at all now would they? They walk around like a dark cloud and expect people to tolerate it. Then when they have tantrums it’s a crisis and everyone else’s problem. I mean you're not wrong but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️You know you are right, it is not all women. Unfortunately you are the exception that confirms the rule. It's only 75%+ of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:05 PM |
| 4 | Men are told to open up more. The only thing they open up about is women not fucking them. And then wonder why it's backfiring 🤦♂️Right, so you want him to open up to you, but only in a way that you feel comfortable about and never makes you feel u comfortable. So you want him to put up an emotional performance for your benefit. You don't want him to open up A man expressing anger sometimes makes me feel afraid and unsafe, that's the difference. Congrats, life makes us feel afraid and unsafe, and it's your responsibility to deal with your own feelings, not demand everyone else accommodates your feelings because you can't h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIf a white woman screamed at a cookout that a black man attacked her, is she the biggest victim when the police get involved? Of course, she is a woman, therefore she must be believed (#believewomen) and she is the biggest victim by default. If she made a mistake, it was an honest mistake, and you can't hold her accountable because women get constantly attacked and abused and it is only right women defend themselves. And women would never be racist or make false allegations ever, anyone who impl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 06:22 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenSee I want to read her as well, "The will to change" has been on my reading list for a while. The problem is that every single time bell hooks is brought up, it's basically as a dismissal to say "see feminism cares about men, bell hooks wrote a book about it 20 years ago, now shut up". The problem is that, if absolutely nothing has happened since in those last 20 years then it clearly shows that caring about men is pretty damn close to dead last in terms of priorities for feminism. These are con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 06:00 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenBecause you're right in the sense that there is a two-tiered system at play, and you're correct that men are penalized under patriarchy, but I'm not sure why it is so important for you to use the same language in order to describe two separate states of oppression? Because the double standard lies precisely in the assumption that women must always be oppressed while men cannot be oppressed, which leads to the two-tiered system. It's not that reality has a two-tiered system of oppression, it's th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 05:40 AM |
| 1 | Women Aren't the great Communicators They Think They AreI am curious if it is really that you cannot find a person like that, or you behave in ways that induce this kind of response. Like, if you are demeaning to your partner, she will get angry. But who actually started a drama here - you or her? Great question. Are men truly assholes, or are women assholes to men, and when men respond in kind, women then act like they've being victimized? How about we stop trying to pin the blame on people depending on what's in their pants, and start holding peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 04:42 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIt's not that it's not worth an academic discussion, it's that it's not allowed as a discussion at all, period, and any attempt to point out the huge double standards and anti-male bias gets painted as misogynistic and anti-feminist, and therefore not even worth recognizing as a serious discussion. And sweeping problems under the rug doesn't make those problems disappear, it just makes them fester and spread. Speaking from purely material consequences, the patriarchy hurts everyone, it's just th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 04:36 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenbut when discussing systemic issues, it's important to have a framework for what consistently generates outcomes. That's how coherence is established. I mean I agree with you here, the part I disagree with us the feminist framework that consistently generate the coherent outcomes that women are always the most oppressed victims in history, that masculinity and maleness is never oppressed or cause for oppression, and that there are never any benefits or privileges to being a woman or femininity. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/26 02:35 AM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenSure, my understanding might be lacking, and if so feel free to point out how and where. Per feminists and the Titanic it kind of depends, if they're actually egalitarian they'd probably say children first, then men and women evenly, but odds are most feminists will be pro women and children first and will use some kind of egalitarian sounding rationalization to justify benefiting from the privileges of chivalry. Do you believe they wouldn't recognize the devaluation of men in that context as an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 11:26 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI mean I agree that gender impacts people in society, I just disagree with the feminist position that being a woman is always a disadvantage in every single situation and always lacking in power compared to men, while being a man is always a benefit and a privilege no matter what. It's kind of funny too because feminism is completely colour blind to the issues men face and their wilful ignorance of men's issues actively entrenches men's issues further. So you're kind of blaming me for the very t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 09:45 PM |
| 2 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe oppressed rich wife is living a better life than the richest coal miner because she's rich. Precisely, her class is a better indicator of the struggles she faces than her gender. If a coalminer dies, his wife is damned to follow soon after because of her financial dependence on her husband, but if she dies, her husband can still work and sustain himself. And it'd a good thing that historically and to this day 95% of workplace fatalities are men. The woman whose husband died could remarry and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 07:23 PM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI mean I do, but the problem is that I don't treat the economic outcomes like a one way street to only consider women's issues while ignoring men's issues. The wage gap has been debunked, and 99.5% of the wage gap is explained by the personal choices people make. It wasn't always like that, but as a society we recognized that was a problem and fixed it, and now that problem no longer exists. Despite that feminism constantly brings up the wage gap, pooling all women vs all men and completely igno… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 05:04 PM |
| 2 | There are some fundamental social differences between men and women which cause relationship building friction.You've just been socialized that it is unsafe (by each other) Nope. Men are not socialized that sharing feelings is unsafe. Men are actively punished for showing feelings from a young age, often from their own mother, and then from other women in their lives. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ Brenée brown, leading expert on vulnerability, also has a bit on that. https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 08:18 AM |
| 2 | There are some fundamental social differences between men and women which cause relationship building friction.Men are not taught that feelings are bad. Men are punished for showing feelings from a young age, often from their own mother, and then from other women in their lives. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ Brenée brown, leading expert on vulnerability, also has a bit on that. https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_listening_to_shame?nolanguage=en For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 08:12 AM |
| 7 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenDo you know of any egalitarian social theories? Secular humanism. Feminism was established in an attempt to push against an already existing power imbalance, an imbalance which still persists today. Well yes because it just flat-out assumes that there is always and always will be a power imbalance against women, which is why it constantly and relentlessly pushes for always more for women. Equality means you have to go up to the half-way line to where things are equal, and then you stop. If you j… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 06:58 AM |
| 3 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenGender and class are not incompatible points of comparison, but they are not equivalent and interchangeable. You can absolutely compare gender and class, but they are not the same and cannot be treated the same. The scope of experiences of people within the same class is much more similar and people behave more the same and have the same experiences, than trying to pool half the people on the planet together based solely on their genitals. The poor coal miner and the poor coalminer's wife have f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 05:42 AM |
| 6 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI'll do you one better, wikipedia puts both definitions side by side. The term patriarchy is used both in anthropology to describe a family or clan controlled by the father or eldest male or group of males, and in feminist theory to describe a broader social structure in which men as a group dominate society. Sociology denotes that a patriarchy is due to the patriarch having the power, and the patriarch is a single man who is at the head of the household. This means that inherently most men do n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 12:47 AM |
| 4 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenIsn't gauging what people think and believe a faith based analysis? No we quite literally have scientific domains for that, called psychology and sociology. It shouldn't really come as a surprise that feminism also runs afoul of both of those scientific fields. In as much as sociology uses the term "patriarchy" it has nothing to do with how feminism uses the word, and in as much as feminism uses the term "patriarchy" it is unfalsifiable and unscientific and has basically nothing to do with the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 12:31 AM |
| 13 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenAlmost. They define manhood as opposition to femininity, but they didn't bother to ask men how men defined masculinity, women defined masculinity for men, and defined femininity with the most bad faith interpretation of how they thought men saw femininity. So they have a gross caricature of both masculinity and femininity, claim that this is how men see things and this is the justification men have used to build society and oppress women. Whenever men disagree with the gross caricature feminism … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/26 12:14 AM |
| 12 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThere's plenty of feminist history where black feminists have been consistently left in the lurch once the majority of an organization's demands have been met. Very true, and I find it funny that they blame "white feminism" for the black feminists being left hanging, and then blame it on whiteness and white men, when it was white WOMEN who failed black feminists. But it's funny that if you ever call it white WOMEN feminism, to point out how it's the mostly white female feminism who used to be ra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 11:47 PM |
| 10 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenWhy yes, intersectionality means we have to consider every possible axis of oppression in all circumstances, while keeping in mind that whiteness, maleness, being cis, and heterosexuality, is always a privilege no matter what, and being female is always a huge axis of oppression no matter what. The anti-oppressive context is that cis het white men and everything they built is the main axis of oppression, and that women are the main victims in just about every circumstance. So it's basically more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 10:54 PM |
| 11 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenThe problem is that feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. Feminism is literally rebranded Marxism, except it replaces the oppression of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, with the oppression of women by men and seizing the means of reproduction. Feminism treats gender like a class, which is completely inappropriate, and the entire ideology is based on the unscientific and unfounded principle that the patriarchy is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:54 PM |
| 14 | Fair feminists exist and they get hate from both men and many feminist womenI believe women identifying as feminists deserve benefit of doubt and presumption of being egalitarian not cakist or misandrist. If 95% of feminists are cakists or misandrist or both, why does the 5% deserve the benefit of the doubt? If they're a tiny minority (and they are) wouldn't it be on them to show that they are different from the overwhelming majority of people who also use the feminist label? Community that she leads always shunned misandry. In particular she debunked vulgar understandi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 2 | Women Love Objectification, When It Benefits ThemMen would hate objectification too if it usually came with harassment, poor treatment, and being turned into a pariah while not being able to do anything about it. I mean that's kinda the male lived experience in dating anyways. Just ask Norah Vincent. But since men don't receive those consequences, they don't understand that other people do receive those consequences. And similarly, there are a ton of issues problems and consequences that men face that women don't, and so women don't understand… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:40 PM |
| 1 | I don’t want to give him “that satisfaction” is one of the most overlooked power dynamics in dating.“I don’t want to give him the satisfaction” is usually said towards someone she's already in some sort of relationship with, not a stranger Could be true, but it's still about keeping power and keeping an upper hand. This is not the mentality of someone who cooperates with their partner, this is the mentality of someone who ants power over their partner. It's kinda funny how it's said that men have the power and men want power, and there are a TON of social power games women constantly play on m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 09:37 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpMy request has been very valid. This is a preventative procedure. So I want to see the stats on prevention. This is a preventative procedure being claimed to cause damage. I want to see the stats on damage. I do not currently accept the anecdotal remarks of a single man who is already mentally unwell and also DID NOT KILL HIMSELF OR HE COULD NOT HAVE GIVEN THE REMARK as strong evidence a preventative program meant to prevent the murder of women and children should be done away with. Let's try it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 02:14 AM |
| 8 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpWell of course you don't see harm, the harm done to men gets constantly erased and dismissed. 35%+ of the victims of "violence against women" in the UK are men. Male rape victims in the US get completely erased from rape statistics because it gets called "made to penetrate" instead. Feminist domestic abuse "experts" constantly and consistently underplay and dismiss male domestic abuse victims. The Commission on Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women in Canada found that indigenous women were sign… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/26 01:32 AM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpA big part of my job is keeping people from ending up there, and that means following the evidence without bias. Right, and this means following the evidence without bias that less than 1 in 100 suicidal men are a danger to anyone but themselves, right? It also means making the jobs of first responders as safe as possible. You can’t ignore the evidence that suicidal men are frequently violent towards others just because it hurts feelings. One in ten is a risk that needs to mitigated. Except it's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 11:32 PM |
| 2 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.But way too many men are overly pushy and/or manipulative trying to get laid. This is true. It is also true that there are way too many manipulative women who want to dodge responsibility and accountability and blame men for everything. Both genders have failings. We should be able to recognize that and acknowledge that, without blaming everything on either gender and pretending like the other is blameless. Unfortunatley that is EXACTLY what feminism tries to do, to paint everything as men's fau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpOh for sure. Absolutely no accountability for women and everything bad must always be men's fault, because men are the oppressors while women are oppressed, and men set up the patriarchy to benefit men at women's expense, don'tcha know. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 10:42 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpCompletely agree. As they say, actions speak louder than words. I like to tell feminists that if I call myself a pacifist, but I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, would they agree with my words or my actions? So when they say feminism claims to be about equality, and you see feminism's actions constantly and consistently erasing male victims, do they believe feminism's words or feminism's actions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 10:41 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThere's a difference between treating all suicidal victims as potentially dangerous for the sake of first respondent safety, and explicitly treating male suicide victims (and only male suicide victims) as a loaded weapon. You also didn't explain what the point of bringing up a conspiracy nut into the discussion about male suicide victims. I can only assume it is because you truly and genuinely have so little sympathy for male suicide victims and are fine with painting male suicide victims (and o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 09:55 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpGreat, so now we're treating suicidal men like they are loaded weapons. Totally not dehumanizing and problematic at all to label victims (and only male victims) as loaded weapons. Per Desi freeman, I don't see how a conspiracy nut on the run compares to suicidal men. Are you really so devoid of empathy for anyone born with a penis that you are willing to paint all suicidal men in the worst light possible? And they say women are the more empathetic sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 08:49 PM |
| 9 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpEverything feminists say and do comes from the basic ideological commitment to the idea that men are the violent oppressors and women are the innocent victims. It's basically Marxism rebranded, replacing the oppression of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, with the oppression of women by men and seizing the means of reproduction. Anything that doesn't confirm to that faith-based ideological position must be dismissed, ignored, invalidated, erased, or discredi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 08:03 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpSo if the policy informed by serial killers is that most serial killers are men, does they mean we ought to treat ALL men as possible serial killers? Or should we recognize that even though most serial killers are men, the overwhelming majority of men are NOT serial killers, and treating all men like serial killers would do far more harm than good? If violent, family killing men are less offensive to you than men being screened for signs of this, then you really need to touch grass. And if treat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 06:09 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpHaha thanks. I also love how it short circuits some people who think that feminism must be egalitarian, so how can I be anti feminist but also egalitarian. Definitely agree with you we need more egalitarianism and less feminism. Feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to women's benefit, and that's not equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 06:01 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThose feminists say they are egalitarian, but how many of them are aware that men make up half the domestic abuse victims, that male rape victims get systematically erased from rape data due to the CDC calling it "made to penetrate", that fathers do not have the same right to see their own children as mothers do in 44 out of 50 states, and that men have no reproductive rights whatsoever, so that a man who is raped by a woman can get sued by his rapist for child support if she impregnated herself… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:49 PM |
| 3 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpFunnily enough it was feminists whom I heard this from first, and red pillers saying that if men are willing to lie to women about how he's into astrology, reishi, new age Woo, and other nonsense to get into her pants, of course some men would lie about feminism to get into women's pants. And then the feminists doubled down on how all men must be suspected of supporting feminism just to get sex and that no man could possibly support feminism because they care about women. The red pill pointed ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:31 PM |
| 14 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpWhat about the fact that domestic abuse is gender neutral, since half the domestic abuse is bidirectional and 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male? https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:27 PM |
| 4 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThe thing is, "radical feminists" is by definition any feminist who believes in the patriarchy. Therefore, the overwhelming majority of feminists, are radical feminists by definition. When you refuse to concede an inch in any argument, you undermine your credibility. That's what we see in radical feminists: a pathological inability to consider any aspect of life where they might not be oppressed victims. I mean you're not wrong but it's a core tenet of feminism that women are always and forever … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 05:09 PM |
| 2 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThanks for the link, I'd been looking for a concise article debunking the bullshit UK violence against women nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:58 PM |
| 7 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpYou apparently don't seem to care about how many suicidal men have been harmed by this policy. Given its 125 to 1, it's a LOT of suicidal men you're willing to throw under the bus to MAYBE prevent one incident. And they say women are the more empathetic sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:54 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpAnd yet it is perfectly in line with the feminist belief that men intrinsically hate women and/or want to oppress women and that men can only be redeemed or reformed if they support feminism, but even then feminist men must still constantly be kept under scrutiny to make sure they don't back slide into their brutish male ways, or make sure the feminist men aren't just faking it to have sex with women. I didn't write the book on how feminism considers men to be forever tainted by the sin of being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:53 PM |
| 9 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpThe correlation of men who ideate about suicide, and men who perpetrate family violence, is a known connection. Not all suicidal men, mind you, but there's a connection. By that same standard, there's a correlation between violence and having a penis. Should we pre emptively put every man in jail ahead of time to prevent crimes? Or can we recognize these a gross violation of I tellectual honesty here because we don't give a damn how many innocent men are harmed and the only thing that matters is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:50 PM |
| 6 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpI make sure to quote Mary Koss' atrocious statements whenever I can, with a handy link to the wiki page on her career. I also link how the Duluth model is pseudo scientific garbage cooked up by feminists based on feminists principle AS QUOTED BY THE FOUNDER OF THE PROGRAM, also on the wiki page for the Duluth model, and that nobody had ever apologized or taken accountability for the incredible harm Koss and the Duluth model have caused and continues to harm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:43 PM |
| 5 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpResearch estimates that approximately 60% to 80% of family annihilators are suicidal men who intend to die, or do die, by suicide following the murders. And research indicates the majority of serial killers are men, that doesn't mean all men should be treated as serial killers by default. Most familily annihilators might be suicidal men, but if family annihilators are less than 5% of al suicidal men then why would we treat the other 95% of suicidal men like family annihilators? It makes no sense… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:39 PM |
| 6 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpOP: Australian feminist legislation unfairly portrays suicidal men as perpetrators using dodgy data to push the feminist narrative that erases make victims and wants to only ever paint men as perpetrators. You: The cop asked if anyone was at risk, which is a huge step up from the usual doing nothing and wringing hands after a family annihilator does his annihilating. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how often I see women proving the very point they are arguing against, with their own attempt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:34 PM |
| 19 | Asking men to support feminism is peak audacity: Feminists in Australia lobbied to have suicidal men insta-flagged as potential woman abusers when they reach out to authorities for helpBad science and disregarding domestic abuse commited by women isn't good for anyone. I mean you are completely right, but bad science and disregarding domestic abuse committed by women has been the feminist modus operandi for the past 50+ years. It is the same with the Duluth model, it is the same with abused UK men being victims of "violence against women", it was the same with Erin Pizzey being driven out of England by feminists for daring to open up a shelter for male victims despite she was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 03:28 PM |
| 2 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedHaha thanks, I try! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 2 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedThat's totally fair and I would normally agree haha, but the amount of people who see these comments is usually so low that it's not really worth it, and it's taking way too much time and energy from my life that I should spend on improving myself and my own life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 7 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?But at the end of the day though is he still treated like human? No, he's treated like a plot device for her benefit. You didn’t even deny that women aren’t treated as human in the story or a valid character, you just “but women’s stories also…” Well yeah, I'm not denying it, because there are a lot of wish fulfilment fantasies men write that are genuinely awful. I don't deny that. You seem to deny that women do the exact same thing though, and that's the difference. It's the literal epitome of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:24 AM |
| 4 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?Yeah no, women imagine that's just "men treating them well", when it's actually objectifying him to turn him into a validation machine. Women judge that men wanting women to serve them is seen as wrong and immoral and sexist and misogynistic. But many men fantasize of serving women as well, and somehow that's seen as moral and fair and right. You can't just look at the best from women and ignore the worst, and look at the worst from men and ignore the best, and pretend like that's an accurate re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:23 AM |
| – | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.Clown world isn't it. In many ways it's just pandering to women's feelings and fear mongering, while ignoring actual statistics showing women are often safer than they fear, and that men are significantly LESS safe than what women believe. But of course anything that goes against what women want to believe must be wrong and misogynistic, and everything must be men's fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:18 AM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI know feminism assumes that men cannot be victims simply because men are born with a penis. Do you think that a man who gets raped and abused by a woman, is not a victim, because he is born with a penis? According to feminist Mary Koss, he was not raped, he was "made to penetrate". According to the UK, the man was a victim of "violence against women". So do you think this man who was raped and abused by a woman, is not a victim, just because he was born with a penis? Or do you have more ethical… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:11 AM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedIf feminism doesn't demonise men despite feminism calls men the oppressors, despite not stand against the "man vs bear" thing, despite not call out the #notallmenbutalwaysaman bullshit, despite feminism actively erasing the fact that half the domestic abuse victims are men and near half the rape victims are men, then I shudder to imagine what it would look like if feminism DID demonize men. Actively lynching men in the streets? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:10 AM |
| – | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIs that really the only thing you got from my comment? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/26 02:06 AM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedYou are hyerfocusing on the outliers to justify hatred of the whole. Well no, because Ellen Pence was the co-founder of the Domestic Abuse Intervention Program, which started the Duluth program, the world's largest police training program on domestic abuse. She said By determining that the need or desire for power was the motivating force behind battering, we created a conceptual framework that, in fact, did not fit the lived experience of many of the men and women we were working with. The DAIP… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 06:52 PM |
| 8 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?Here’s the difference, in even dark romance, male lead characters are humanized, not objectified Disagree. Men are objectified as success objects, and many of those male lead characters have very little beyond what's needed to serve as a means to an end for the female character. Just because men are objectified differently from women, does not mean men are not objectified. They have their own backstory. There is reasoning. Well yes, but more often than not it's either a tragic backstory for her … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 06:45 PM |
| 3 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI don't like to read people's comment history, I try and give everyone a chance, but for every hundred convos there are one or two where I can actually change people'sminds. I spent too much time here, trying to get rid of that addiction but it's not easy :p | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 06:40 PM |
| 1 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedMaybe if feminism stopped demonizing men and started considering men like actual human beings deserving of empathy and sympathy it would have better luck getting men in board. I'm not the one turning helping people into a zero sum game, feminism is. There are feminist abuse shelters who said that if the state spent money on shelters for male victims, that would be less money for women, and that's bad. The Spanish minister for equality said spending money on a male rape crisis centre would be a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:43 PM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.That's kind of the funny thing, feminism doesn't really try and define what power men have, because every attempt to define power would very quickly show that all the power "men" have usually boils down to either rich and powerful men having all the power while the vast majority of men who are no rich have none, or it boils down to "power" in a relational setting where they completely and deliberately ignore any and all soft power the women have. So either way it's just a by fiat baseless assert… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:39 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedI mean I also agree there are many double standards that affect women negatively. The difference is there is a multi billion dollar international political organization called feminism already calling those out. I agree with them in the cases they point out double standards that negatively affect women, there's already a legion of people doing that work. In contrast it seems nobody cares when double standards negatively affects men, and ironically enough least of all feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:33 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?It is for equality by ending the subjugation of the oppressed class (women). Are women really oppressed though? Or are we just defining it by fiat, looking for proof, and ignoring any and all proof that men could be oppressed? Men are already advantaged and from an equality perspective they don't need even more unearned help. Is this true or is this assumed? I'd think the fact men are 75% of the homeless, 80% of the suicide victims, 95% of workplace fatalities, that boys are being failed by the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedActually, you saying it's not fine when anyone does it acrually answers my question pretty well. I agree it's not fine when anyone does it. Hopefully we can eventually g et society to stop being fine when feminism does it too. You perceive your problems to be worse because they're yours. That doesn't invalidate the problems others experience. I mean generally I agree, but when men talk about their problems they're told they're exaggerating and their problems can be that bad, but any man saying t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:20 PM |
| 7 | How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom?I mean I agree with you that the logic is flawed. But for some reason when there are romance fantasy books for men, that's a sign that men are patriarchal and misogynistic. But women's romance novels with 50 shades is complete fantasy and is in no way shape or form an indication of what women are actually like. There's an odd double standard there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:10 PM |
| 5 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.Completely agree and I wish more people saw it that way. I didn't read your flair, I thought you were a woman, and was really surprised to see you agreeing with me there haha. Let's all agree to fight and call put stupid generalizations! Just a shame that feminism is kinda heavily pushing for more stupid generalization of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 04:00 PM |
| 0 | Real issues get dismissed as hate because people are biasedThe second you even hint that your problems are "worse" than any other group, you're forcing people to reckon with your ego, not the topic at hand. But when women and feminists do it, that's fine? You could have very easily discussed the issues men face without bringing women into the conversation at all. But when women and feminists do it, it's fine? The comparison is where you ruined your own argument. Why? Comparing lived experiences is how we discover if something is not equal. Have we not b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:46 PM |
| 8 | Women detest men who “just want to have sex” yet live exactly like that from age 18 to 32 or so.I mean we're still generalizing all men, so it seems to be fair. The vast majority of men aren't rapists or abusers, and yet most men still get treated like they potentially might be rapists or abusers until or unless proven otherwise. Bit of an odd double standard isn't it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/26 03:40 PM |
| 3 | Most women have someone.Everyone has power over their own choices and actions. Pretending otherwise is actively disempowering oneself. I agree with you that there's significantly less power to chance society as a whole, but for some reason we refuse to acknowledge that in society most men have just as little power as most women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I expect feminism to be about helping men because feminism claims to be about equality and claims to help men. I'm just holding feminism accountable to its own word. If feminism wants to ditch equality and say they're a female supremacist movement I'd be totally fine with that, but they can't treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and then turn around and say they're for equality. Women already help men plenty and bend over backwards making sacrifices for men. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 03:15 PM |
| 4 | Most women have someone.Men lament this phenomenon of women constantly getting attention and dates and having their lifestyles funded, even if they are awful people. Which tbh is overblowing it a little. But I’ll concede that there are a lot more desperate men than desperate women. Honestly, just being able to recognize this and assess the situation fairly is better than most people can do, so kudos to you for that. I generally agree. Blaming women for men giving them attention and dating them no matter what is silly a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 04:57 AM |
| 1 | Most women have someone.I mean there's nothing wrong about casually talking to a potential romantic interest, just gotta remember that that potential romantic interest is a human being with feelings too. So long as we remember that and don't treat other people as a means to an end (they're a "potential romantic interest" more than a person worthy of respect and dignity) then it's all good. And this applies to men and women! Whatever "power" women have over men has been willingly given so it's actually infantalizing men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 02:01 AM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.Should we not blame the women for their own shitty behaviour? It sounds kinda victim-blamey to say "it's your own fault for being a doormat, the women did nothing wrong, we're only holding men accountable because men choose to endure the shitty behaviour". With great power comes great responsibility. Should we not hold women equally accountable for how they choose to use their power, the exact same way we should hold men accountable for how men choose to use their power? Or should we infantilize… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:19 AM |
| 7 | Most women have someone.Blame men for putting up with shitty behavior in the name of not being alone Should we not blame the women for their own shitty behaviour? It sounds kinda victim-blamey to say "it's your own fault you tolerate shitty behaviour, they did nothing wrong, we're only holding you accountable because you chose to endure the shitty behaviour". With great power comes great responsibility. Should we not hold women equally accountable for how they choose to use their power, the exact same way we should hol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:18 AM |
| 4 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamGosh “Women” doing a lot of the heavy lifting there when I assume you are referring to women on Reddit? Unless you truly mean all women which is a bold claim. I mean it's not just the women on reddit who complain about being constantly approached by men, I think it's fair to say that's a general claim that comes from women in general, yes. I am not asking why men aren’t approaching because I truly don’t care. Ok cool then this doesn't really apply to you. You act as if women don’t equally experi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:13 AM |
| 3 | Most women have someone.To act responsibly with their power and privilege, in the exact same way we tell men to use their power and privilege responsibly. I was replying to the other guy who was blaming men for women's power and privilege. Regardless of how someone got power or privilege, it is still their responsibility to use it well. Deflecting all responsibility and laying it all solely at men's feet is infantilizing women and pretending like women can never be held accountable or responsible for their actions and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 01:03 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I mean men and women do help each other for sure, we just need more of it. It's also a shame that feminism basically constantly demands men help women more, while refusing to help men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 12:44 AM |
| 2 | Most women have someone.I mean if women claim that men are better and stronger and that women say women shouldn't have had the right to vote, does that make it ok because the behaviour comes from women? And if a stranger gives me 100$ and I choose to blow that money on drugs, is it the fault of the stranger who gave me that money? We can hold women accountable for not using responsibly the power and privilege they are given. We do the same for men. Welcome to equality. Men are responsible for their behaviour and women … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/26 12:24 AM |
| 6 | "I hate men!" (...but not that man)And the moment men try and say anything about how women speak, it's tone policing and it's misogynistic and controlling. But women are apparently entitled to control what men say and think at all times. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/26 07:21 PM |
| 3 | "I hate men!" (...but not that man)But somehow men have to constantly be on guard and constantly be ready to counteract locker room talk and it's men's collective fault that this problem wasn't solved yesterday. Gotta love how they treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/06/26 07:20 PM |
| 5 | Most women have someone.In this case I was replying to the guy blaming men rather than holding women accountable to their privilege. Surely if we hold men accountable to be aware of and combat their privilege, we should hold women to that exact same standard no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:51 PM |
| 7 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamIt is a shitty situation, but that's the reality men have to face, specifically due to women complaining, and most women completely and adamandlty refuse to recognize the consequences that men have to face. It's like women complained about men approaching, so a literal mine field was built to keep men away from women at women's requests, and then when men stop approaching, women ask men why, but women also completely refuse to acknowledge the literal minefield built at the behest of women that m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:46 PM |
| 3 | The idea that men shouldn’t approach women is dying out in the mainstreamIt is, but that's the reality men have to face, specifically due to women complaining, and most women completely and adamandlty refuse to recognize the consequences that men have to face. It's like women complained about men approaching, so a literal mine field was built to keep men away from women at women's requests, and then when men stop approaching, women ask men why, but women also completely refuse to acknowledge the literal minefield built at the behest of women that men now have to walk… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:43 PM |
| 21 | Most women have someone.Right, the important thing to remember is to always blame men and never blame women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 06:35 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You said women are at risk of being murdered if they make men feel insecure about their appearance. At any point you could have clarified and meant it was a tiny minority of men, or that you didn't express properly. Instead you doubled down on how that is "a fact". I doubt you'd accept the "fact" that men are at risk of being falsely accused of rape by women if they make women upset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:47 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I didn’t feel the need to mention that most men don’t end up killing women, a Of course you didn't, but you did make a comment as though the average woman is at risk of being murdered by men if she makes men feel insecure. And that's the dishonest part. I never blamed all men for the behavior of all men. But you did make a comment saying that any random woman might get murdered by any random man if she makes him feel insecure. It's painting it as possible without mentioning how INCREDIBLY UNLIKE… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 02:27 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You’re getting pissy that I’m pointing out that men are the same as women. Except men are not the same in women in pretending that it is virtue signalling. Women are significantly more picky than men for appearance. That is a fact and that is fine, it is not virtue signalling. Women themselves say they find few men attractive, while men say they find most women attractive to some degree. It's not virtue signalling, it is a fact that this is a difference between men and women. Men and women both … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI mean you're not wrong but that seems to completely ignore a bunch of social issues. When women faced those issues we didn't tell women to just pretend those problems didn't exist and focus on their own happiness, we told society to bend over backwards to address those issues. Treating equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit isn't equality at all. If we had society bend over backwards to address women's issues, when will it be time to have society do the exact same thing f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:06 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?News flash: saying “most people who kill women are men” isn’t the same as “every man should be blamed for a man killing a woman”. And yet you repeatedly and carelessly equate men with violence. You state the fact that most people who kill women are men, but you apparently don't care to state the fact that 99% of men do not and will not kill women. I read your quotes very carefully, which is why I am frustrated at the inherent dishonesty in those quotes that unfairly blame men in general for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.Don't be attracted to whoever and don't date someone you don't want to date, it's a really simple solution. It's a simple solution because it completely ignores the social issues going on. It's not wrong per se, just simplistic and reductive. The issue lies when men down women they're not attracted to, don't date them sure, but insulting them is a different story and is very much misogynistic.. I mean you're not wrong, but in the last few decades men have been and are being insulted a hell of a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:03 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Yeah that's a failing on men's side for sure, we still believe a bunch of myths with regards to size and the pleasure of sex. There's a ton of confusion still, which you'd think that having the internet should have helped clarify that, but apparently not haha. We do need to come together to help one another rather than going at each other's throats, but unfortunately with the whole gender war thing going on, I fear it's going to be a long time before that happens, unfortunately. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/26 01:01 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?most people who kill women are men and most violent attacks against women are done by men. women making men feel insecure about their appearance can be dangerous & life threatening. You're not blaming some men or a minority of men, you're blaming men in general, which means all men. That might not have been what you meant to say, but that is what you actually said. Try and be more careful with your words next time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 11:54 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?The dishonest part is you blame ALL men for the actions of a tiny minority of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 10:10 PM |
| 3 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?I am saying it is your portrayal of the facts that is dishonest. We can blame men, or we can solve the problem, but we can't do both. And you clearly have no interest in solving the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 07:36 PM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?women making men feel insecure about their appearance can be dangerous & life threatening. That's dishonest. It's just as dishonest as if I said men talking to women can get men falsely accused of rape. It's connecting a random common thing (making men insecure about appearance) and tying it to an extreme, extremely rare, and extremely negative outcome (woman being murdered by a man). Pretty sure that equating men to psycho murdrers who would kill women for making him insecure about his appearan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Not sure it's sacrasm and more facetiousness, but yeah. Tone is difficult to read with just text online. Either way, have a good one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 02:12 AM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)I'm genuinely happy for you. Love feels so rare and hard to find these days, by all means treasure the love you have and be happy together for the rest of your days. The world needs more love. However, that still means nothing compared to broader trends because exceptions do not invalidate the rule, and the plural of anecdote is not data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Well yes, but when Lenovo asked what's the point of having a discussion about the increasing number of people not being able to form romantic couples, we both know it's not women who mostly have trouble forming romantic couples. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:59 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Oh no I have read your comments, but when a dishonest person can't see their own dishonesty it's because they either believe their own lies or are so deluded they can't recognize they are lies. Concluding that I have a “hatred of men” and see men as “sub human” based off me stating facts and giving published & peer reviewed evidence is wild. So if I said that it is factually true that women are weaker, stupider, and more emotional than men, as well as being significantly better with kids than me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:48 AM |
| 2 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Look I could argue with you but you're just going to refuse to believe everything I say and you're going to tell me, a man, what you think men think, based on what your thoughts are as a woman. Every single argument you've made basically boils down to "no u", "men are actually terrible" and "women would never do any of those horrible things men do". I've seen the song and dance and I know there's literally nothing I can say that will convince you otherwise. So I'll stop wasting both our time and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/26 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?And there are women who have murdered men and falsely accused men, so it can happen, but I'm sure you'd agree it is extremely dishonest to say "men are at risk of murdered or falsely accused of rape whenever they're near women". The fsct you can't even see the obvious dishonesty in what you say shows me you have truly internalized your hatred of men and see men as truly sub human. By your logic, any conclusions drawn by psychologists throughout history can only be applied to that specific situat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?You said making men feel I secure about their appearance is life threatening to women. Meaning men will kill women if women make them feel insecure. That's psychopathic behaviour. You are treating men like they are psychopaths that must be appeased or else they will murder women. That might not be what you MEANT to say, but that is the consequence of what you ACTUALLY said. Next time try and be a bit more careful with your words. Men lie more than women. Denying that is just denying reality. Men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 08:42 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?Remember that half of all domestic violence is reciprocal, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ Men punching walls is actually refraining from being violent, much better than punching a person. Per men punching each other and road rage, women also have cat fights where they slap and tear at each other. Ignoring how women are violent and pretending like women don't cause … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 08:08 PM |
| 4 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Right let's call men insecure and violent, and paint women like they're saints for dealing with the violent psychopathic brutes that men are. Totally accurate representation of reality that isn't hypocritical or self serving at all. Also, men definitely act like assholes and lie more than women 😂😂 To you, yes, because you are a woman. That's your lived experience. Pull a Norah Vincent and try to pass as a man for a month and you'll see the complete opposite. Welcome to equality, women are just a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?It is pretty funny you say this in a sub where there are men frequently virtue signaling that they fine 90+% of all women attractive. No, you interpret it as virtue signaling. The majority of men find the majority of women attractive to some degree. That's a simple fact. The majority of women find something like 80% of men to be below average in looks. It's not completely accurate, but women are SIGNIFICANTLY less attracted to men than the other way around. Pointing out this fact is not virtue s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:57 PM |
| 4 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)For some reason I see a ton more women reading something, having an emotions reaction to what they read, and then responding on the basis of their emotional reaction rather than reacting based on the words that were actually written. Men do this too, but it seems to be overwhelming mankoett of people who react this way are women. It would make communication so much easier if one responded to what was actually said, rather than responding to how one feels about what was being said. And yet someho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:53 PM |
| 0 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Men dodge accountability for what exactly, being victims of suicide because society constantly ignores, dismisses, and belittles men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Ah I think I see the misunderstanding. Women can simultaneously want men to approach less, AND still want the man to take all the first steps. I agree that women tell men to stop approaching and stay away, but when the men those women want stop approaching them, those women get confused and upset that they don't get approached anymore, because the vast majority of women don't approach men. We're kinda talking past each other here and confusing two similar but distinct things. Women want to be ap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:27 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)The fact that some women repeat lies, makes women seem like unreliable narrators at best and actively dishonest at worst. The fact you double down on actively dishonest discourse with emotional manipulation to get people to agree with you instead of actually engaging with the argument, and that you repeat the problematic behaviour you got called out on, means you are actively making women seem even less reliable and more dishonest in the eyes of men. I don’t hate men. I specifically said that wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:17 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)It's not the overwhelming majority of women. It is. Sending signals that she wants him to approach, is not her taking the first step, it's her signaling she wants him to take the first step. And also, just don't. Stop making the first steps. The overwhelming majority of men who do this will never be approached in their life and will die single. So you know, that kind of sucks, given the overwhelming majority of women refuse to approach men. And finally, yes there are many women who approach the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 04:00 PM |
| 4 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menI believe there are many feminists who are far more moral and far more egalitarian than their feminist ideology would allow, kinda like the difference between the kind Christians and the hell fire and brimstone christians. If you ask those feminist women who are kind, and drill down on the feminist beliefs, it basically boils down to things being men's fault directly, or boils down to blaming the patriarchy or internalized misogyny, which is blaming men with extra steps. Those good feminists no … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:57 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?It allows them to say that hormones are no excuse and that it is therefore either the fault of men, or the fault of the patriarchy, which is just blaming men with more steps since they never hold women accountable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:54 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?Fair, how about areas where there is equivalent violence from both men and women? Like in safe affluent neighborhoods and social circles? For some reason when we remove the need for violence, and have a culture that disapproves of violence, all of a sudden men stop being violent. So clearly biologically men are about as violent as women, and therefore the source of men being more violent than women can't be biology. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)The other guy was being sarcastic. I'm not sure you caught that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Not wishing death on him, just pointing out the severe risks men face that women and society completely ignore, neglect, and don't give a fuck about. So thank you for proving my point by completely ignoring, neglecting, and dismissing the risks your cousin might be facing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:45 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Right, so you don't care about facts, logic, or reality, you're just trying to shame men into agreeing with you. You were never going to listen to women anyway because you hate women. And you are never going to listen to men anyway because you hate men. We keep telling you how many women basically lie, don't care about the truth, and want to manipulate people emotionally into agreeing with them, and every time we point it out, you keep doing more of the exact same problematic behaviour we are ca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:44 PM |
| 0 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Because men are human beings inherently deserving of human decency and their issues are worth talking about at least as much as sexist air conditioning? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:41 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)I mean those women exist for sure, but for some reason when men point out the overwhelming majority of women are not good women out there who are looking for companionship and able to offer it, men get told to stop complaining and lower their standards. And then women turn around and complain that the overwhelming majosrt of men are not good, aren't looking for companionship, aren't able to offer it (emotionally unavailable or whatever), women then say they refuse to lower their standards and me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:35 PM |
| 5 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)but I argue it's a minority and they're either conservative (and expect men to do all the first steps), either too shy (and in this case I'd say, learn to approach the cute guys) Well see the problem is that the overwhelming majority of women want men to make all the first steps, regardless of their political leaning, and the overwhelming majority of women refuse to approach men, regardless of their political leaning. So you're kind of completely ignoring the half of the problem that men complai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)And then she immediately proves you right by doubling down on the very kind of problematic behaviour you caller her out on. Can't make this shit up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:30 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You do realize that when men point out a general rule and women constantly and continually point to exceptions as though exceptions invalidate the rule, this kinda proves to men why they shouldn't listen to what women say? You're not doing yourselves a favour really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:30 PM |
| 4 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)men that believe in actual equality and respect will thrive. The problem is that largely society, feminism, and women treat "actual" equality and respect like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and when men object to the blatant hypocrisy and double standards, those men are told they are the problem. Its a lovely combination of no true Scotsman, motte and bailey, victim blaming, and hypocritical self righteousness. Feminist men are desired. Demonstrably false. Entitled Women h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)You know what they say, the plural of anecdotes is not data. I hope for your cousin that he's not going to be part of the 50% of marriages that end in divorce, because then his suicide odds will go from 4x higher than women's suicide, to 9x higher than women's. And I'm sure none of that matters because you know one example that is the exception. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Prediction: More and more men will opt out of pursuing LTRs with women because it's not worth it (unless you want kids and a family)Whoosh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:24 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?I'm all with you on people before pills, but if we want to look at who is more violent, we have to acknowledge that half the domestic abuse victims are men, and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. That puts a pretty big hole in the "men are more aggressive" theory. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:20 PM |
| – | What is the actual evidence that the gender difference in violence/aggression is social and not biological?the violence you find everywhere is biological, So, by this logic, since there are areas with 0 violence from men with the same socio-economic background, this means that since we can find areas that have 0 male violence, therefore you can't find violence everywhere, therefore the cause of violence is 0% biological and 100% cultural. And since women are just as responsible for culture as men are, that means women are just as responsible for the cultural cause of violence as men are. I don't thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:14 PM |
| 5 | Men are blamed first before any rationality is considered because women will never choose a stance against each other if they can blame menKnee jerk reaction? Blame men for everything and women for nothing is basically feminism 101. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 03:11 PM |
| 17 | Are you sure size doesn't matter?Idk why some people on here are acting like it doesn’t at all. Because women seem to think that admitting to superficial preferences makes women look bad, and it is forbidden to ever admit anything that could make women look bad for some reason. This is kind of why men have a hard time trusting what women say. Not saying men are completely honest either, but it would be nice if we could all admit that being an asshole and lying are things men and women both do in equal measures, if at different … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:59 PM |
| 2 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.I'm assuming she is debating the idea of what she believes other people believe, rather than responding to the words that are actually written. That level of mother of all strawmen tells me it's just not worth wasting my time there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 05:29 AM |
| 2 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.I have no idea how to even start addressing everything you've said, so I'll simply say have a good one, and I wish you the best. We definitely don't agree, but I still wish you good luck and happiness. Have a good one! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:23 AM |
| 7 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.First of all, men generally don’t bitch about paying. Are you serious? You're everywhere in this sub, and you seriously think men don't bitch about paying on dates??? So getting little to know, matches has never been the problem. You are clearly on this subreddit and reading words with your eyeballs, but I'n not sure your brain is comprehending what the men are writing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 02:12 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenHappens all the time, basically any time a guy gets called an incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/26 12:41 AM |
| 3 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?True that, and it's important to remember all this is men's fault and men just gotta step up more! /s | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 10:40 PM |
| 15 | The "problem" with paying is that men here don't like the types of women willing to pay for themselves on dates.Then why dont men simply write on their dating profile they wont pay for dates? What’s the problem? Because men generally don't want to completely sabotage their odds of dating at all. You do realize if men do this, they will get basically absolutely no matches at all, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 08:33 PM |
| 2 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?Better yet "this benefits me so just man up and deal with it." Contrasts wonderfully with the "women want men who are emotional and vulnerable" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 07:55 PM |
| 2 | when women say they're attracted to confidence, what do they mean?That's called the motte and bailey fallacy. Great way to make outrageous claims then pretend one wasn't doing exactly that by playing with the definition of words, in order to dodge accountability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy Once you start paying attention to it you will see this fallacy pop up ALL THE TIME whenever the discussion turns to women's standards and preferences. It's all about saying things that sound nice and make them look good, even if that's not actual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYes yes, here we go with Maslow, sorry that I care about actual science and treat men like actual human beings worthy of inherent human dignity instead of treating men like a disposable means to an end. ou will not die if you don’t date and fall in love. If you take away food, water, and shelter, you WILL die. Just stop with this ridiculous argument. I certainly do not recognize dating as a need. Ok cool, so you think if we lock someone in a tiny concrete box with water and food they'll be fine … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:59 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Oh there are a ton of people on here saying women can't possibly be as shitty as men. I'm happy if you're not one of them, but let's not pretend like the women are wonderful effect, benevolent sexism, and flat old misandry isn't rampant in this sub and feminist circles in general. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect So again I'm glad if you don't think women aren't as shitty as men, but as a woman if you think women are just as shitty as men, you are in a very small and unpo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:36 AM |
| 1 | The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative.this was a reality barely 30-40 years ago where a woman that refused to have kids was a failure as a woman. Or a woman who refused to wear certain clothes or make up was not considered a woman. "cross your legs or no man will find you attractive" "shave your legs" "you'll end up a spinster" "don't be argumentative, men don't like that" my grandma (and society) used to say Ok so if we as a society recognized that these issues were real and deserved to be addressed, why are we now saying that when… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:32 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.we twit the bear thing into women saying men are worse overall. I mean how else are we supposed to interpret women saying that men are worse than literal wild animals? It's like the men who end up here are either allergic to listening to what women actually say or they twist it on purpose to have something to be mad about. Kinda funny because that's a common complaint men have about women. But when men get mad about women calling men literally worse than wild animals, and women saying #yesallmen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 03:10 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Fair enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 01:13 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Yall have turned a blog post into a virtual cult of misinformation about an entire gender being your enemy in dating. Y I mean it's not men saying that women are worse than literal bears. If someone treated an entire gender as being the enemy in dating, it wasn't men who started it. You derail conversations because you don't understand context, not to add context. Agree to disagree but fair enough. I do spend too much time on PPD, I need to get out of here and spend more time having a life IRL l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 01:13 AM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?Oh I agree, but it's not even about punching up against the oppressor, it's just defining men as the oppressor regardless of how false or inaccurate and using that as an excuse to punch men while telling men they're not allowed to punch back. Women are punching up, laterally, and down, and like you say, they're not only getting away with it, they're arguing they should get away with it MORE. Treating equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit isn't equality at all, and sooner … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Just pick someone else is silly.I didn't say only 20% of men get access to women, I said women chase only 20% of men. That's a very big difference. Yes getting dates as a man is harder. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that, but this conversation you are commenting on never said otherwise. You say that but basically every single time it's like pulling teeth to get people to acknowledge it without immediately going that either it is completely and totally men's fault and women have nothing to do with it, or that men can't forc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?Yeah I typed that fast on my cellphone and my big fat fingers missing a few letter and autocorrect auto-co-wrecking abunch of stuff didn't help, sorry haha. First and foremost why do you assume that most men would ever want to stop performing gender essentialism? The whole reason why gender essentialism exists in the first place is the give men leverage. Boy, from this and the rest, I feel like there is a very fundamental difference here we need to address first. You say men want gender essentia… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:23 AM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.Well the first solution would be to stop ignoring and denying that men face issues in dating, and to have a minimum of empathy for men as though men are human beings inherently deserving of human dignity as well. For some reason most women can't seem to hear about women's issues without immediately going "WELL YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO DATE MEN I DON'T WANT TO/CANT FORCE ME TO HAVE SEX", so the first step would be NOT doing that. The 2nd step would be to actually start trying to understand the situa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:13 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agree culture is doing some of the work in defining what exactly counts as weakness. It is biology that makes women disgusted by weakness in men, however weakness is defined. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Just pick someone else is silly.See that's actually a good question! We should actually ask that question with a good natured attempt to explore the issue instead of trying to ask the question in a bad faith attempt to paint men as though men want to force women to do things women don't. So, the first thing that should happen is that we should recognize that this is in fact an issue that men face, instead of constantly dismissing it, belittling it, or ignoring it. This requires literally no effort from women, just a tiny bit o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/26 12:05 AM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementBuying a home is in no way, shape, or form the same as dating. Shelter is a need; dating is not. I mean dating and relationship plays into many incredibly important aspects of mental health. By Maslow's hierarchy of needs daring and romantic connections are absolutely needs. They're not essential needs like food, water, and shelter, but anyone who doesn't have anything more than a concrete box, water, and gruel, can survive, but they'll still be pretty freaking miserable. We can recognize that d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:41 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAs someone who can have adult conversations my dating pool is limited to those who also can have adult conversations. Hahaha fair enough and that is a very valid attitude to have lol. Just gotta remember that as a woman, your daring pool even limited to those who can have adult conversations, is at least 10x bigger than men's daring pool limited to those who can have adult conversations. Sorry to hear about the severe AHDH and congrats to you for working hard and improving! The problem most men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI mean yes 90% of the self help and self care industry is by and for women, and therapy and psychology are dominated by women with services catered to women. Psychology also frequently treats men like they are emotionally defective women, so it's not that surprising men have a hard time with a female dominated industry that doesn't seem to be equipped to deal with men's issues nor care about men's issues. Meanwhile a segment of men online complain that women won't make them feel.better about the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYou’re way too worried about what other people think. I'm actually just paying attention to what other people say and how they apply double standards. I would think that we can all agree that double standards and sexism are generally bad and we should address them. Well, if women apparently don't care about double standards and sexism against men, how can women expect men to care about or do anything about double standards and sexism against women? If you’re in a relationship and unhappy and the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:25 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementNo, we call you misogynistic woman hating incels if that’s what you act like. And what that act looks like, is largely saying anything women don't like or behaving in ways women don't like, so that even a married man with kids gets called an incel if a woman doesn't like what he has to say. That's just how the word incel has been so overused and the meaning so diluted over time. You know, how do you react when a woman rejects you screams volumes about who you are. And, surprise! Women can be shi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 11:14 PM |
| 2 | Just pick someone else is silly.But in this context its more like a person with a low paying job complaining about not being able to afford the house they want and people saying pick a better job then if you want a better possibility of someday owning a house like that. I agree. The difference is that a woman with a 40k job can afford to buy a house while a man with a 150k salary would struggle to buy a house, simply because the woman gets more offers due to being a woman, and then somehow we pretend like it's fair. If women l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 10:25 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?The more I read and see stuff like this the more I feel a ton of things women blame men for is projection. They believe men think similarly to women, so men must do the same things that women do, but worse. Some women talk about sexual encounters in extreme details, so men must too, but worse, because they're men. That's locker room talk. Some women judge other women very harshly for their looks and appearance, so men must too, but worse because they're men. That's imposing beauty standards. Wom… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 09:27 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?That's fair, but most women's "high sex drive" for the men they love, is still lower than the average man's sex drive for the average woman, let alone the woman he loves. where as it seems men think “that random woman is attractive, how can I sleep with her"? It's less thinking that and more like an instinctive want, like a kind of semi constant hunger. When you are hungry you don't stop by a restaurant and think "I believe I am hungry, it would satisfy my hunger to eat a good meal, how can I go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:58 PM |
| – | Why is there such a massive asymmetry in how men pursue women vs. how women pursue men?Because it goes completely against the feminist narrative that men and women are identical blank slates at birth and all differences are social constructs imposed on them, and also that if we blame it on testosterone as a drug then we can't blame men as evil violent oppressors, especially if they want to use the excuse that women have such hard lives to deal with because of their own hormones. So they can't give men that excuse because it means either they can't blame men for men's own hormone i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:53 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWomen are NOT told women are assholes if you don’t fix them. Where do you dream this shit up? I think there might have been a misunderstanding here, I meant to say that women are told they can leave whenever they want for whatever reason they want, which I kind of agree with, and that men aren't entitled to women helping them and fixing them, which is fair. But then men get told that men are assholes if they leave for reasons women consider to be bad, and that men are assholes if they leave wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlement10x more options is ridiculous. Nope it's reality. Feel free to make one dating profile as a woman, and one dating profile as a man, see which one gets flooded by matches and which one faces a desert. You don’t need to “play by rules” at all. Just be a decent person - and be honest. Cut down on the dramatics. I mean I actually agree. Still doesn't change the fact women have 10x more options than men, easily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementSir, hardly anyone has “an endless list of candidates” 🤦🏽♀️ Compared to men, most women do. Do you acknowledge and understand that women EASILY have 10x more options than men do, at a bare minimum? Not saying those options are great, I'm just pointing out that as bad as they are, women have MASSIVELY more options than men do in online dating and dating irl overall. You get to decide who is in your life. You are not a victim. Ugh. Funnily enough if I tell that to women, then I'm being misogynist… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:57 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYall aren’t worth the headache. If you can’t bring value to our lives, why would we want you? That's a great question! And funnily enough when men say the same thing they get called misogynistic woman hating incels. But for some reason its totally fine doe women to make that comment about men. You can keep your standards, settle, or opt out just like women. Well yes. Except for the part that dating for men is completely different than it is for women and to pretend like there's no different is n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementShe’ll find someone who does or adjust her standards. Except for the part where society as a whole tells women to always raise their standards higher and never settle, while also telling men they're misogynistic and oppressive if they dare to have any standards of their own. That's kind of a huge double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:10 PM |
| 0 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAnd, no, your partner should not have to heal you. Fix yourself and don’t burden someone else with that. I mean generally I agree but for some reason men are told they need to fix themselves, while women are told men are assholes if they don't help her or support her while she fixes herself. Pretty big double standard there, telling men they are unworthy of love unless they're basically perfect and telling women they're always worthy of love and it's men's fault if they don't love her enough. Wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI agree you don't have to tolerate anything you don't want to. That doesn't address the fsct men and women don't face the same situation and the same problems. A homeless person can't always "just buy a home". That's not a solution that works for the vast majority of homeless people. So if we tell men they don't have to tolerate anything they don't want to, while completely ignoring all the other issues men face, it's the equivalent of saying "sucks to be you, nothing we can do, you'll die alone… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 07:04 PM |
| 2 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?I mean the problem is that a signing blame to men and painting men as the active actors and women as the passive victims, is itself gender essrnsialidt behaviour. It's male hyoeragency and female hypoagency. In effect anyone who blames men and demands men do more, while excusing women and not advocating that women need to do more as well, is playing into gender essrntialism. And that kind of gender essrntialism of male hyoeragency and female hyooqgency is rampant in feminism. It provides a conve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:47 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Right, we can pit the evolutionary "women disgusted by weakness" hypothesis against the "women are blank slates and they are only disgusted by weakness because the patriarchy tells them so". I agree that what counts as weakness is shaped by culture. And yet, regardless of the culture, women by and late are not attracted, and tend to be actively repulsed by, weakness. And this regardless of how patriarchal or colonial the culture. It really shouldn't be controversial to say women want the winners… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:28 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementPm the one hand I want to disagree, but technically "most" means more than 50%. I do agree that more than 50% of adults can have an adult conversation, but I feel it's not much better than that. George Carlin had a point when he said "think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that". "Being able to hold an adult conversation" seems to unforrtunately become a more and more rare skill, especially when it's so much easier to declare that one is offended and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementRight, my bad, I think I completely misread that at first. Went back and you Saud "you think feminists want men and women paid the same for doing different jobs" and I misread that as feminists wanting women paid the same for doing the same job. Sorry I caused so much confusion there. So to be clear, I am saying men and women are ALREADY being paid the same for the same job, and the whole gender pay gap thing is nonsense 99% of the time. So if men and women are already paid the same, but feminis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:06 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agree that social norms can influence people's reactions. I'm not saying that innate reaction is wholly unaffected by culture, but if it is affected by culture, it seems to be largely driven by women, not men. It is mothers who have a boys don't cry bias after all, and it is women who react far more negatively and with borderline hostility when men cry. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ But for some reason as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 06:04 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI'm honestly kinda stumped on how to reply to this lol it is so refreshing and so different to see a woman who has her own opinions and isn't part of the liberal hive mind lol. Either way thanks for the chat and I wish you the best haha! Hopefully more and more people will come to see how feminism is worse than useless and is actively harmful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThere's a saying about how we get hurt in relationships but also that we heal in relationships. Seems to me like trying to break gender relationships further apart, instead of trying to get people to come together and help one another, would only make things worse, not better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:50 PM |
| 0 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementSo, why would you care if a woman you’re obviously not compatible with cancelled a date? Isn’t that a good thing? No more wasted time, no spending money. Move on to the next. That's very easy to say when you have an endless list of other possible candidates. Saying "who cares men should just go for the next woman" is very "if you're homeless just buy a house", it means you largely don't understand the male loved experience. Women deal with all kinds of double standards yet, as I’ve interacted wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI mean I agree with you that it is stupid but that's the reality men find themselves in. Most women want men to do a ton for her before she's willing to give even an ounce back in return. And the irony is that when these kinds of systematic social frictions happen to literally any other group we say it's sexist or racist or homophobic and we can't let that stand but when it happens to men? Totally fine, who cares. We don't say "the bakery doesn't want to make gay wedding cakes, who cares go find… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIt's a bit of a stretched analogy, but if we want there to be a functioning country people have certain things they need to keep doing, like following laws, paying taxes, and having children. If we stop doing all those in any serious amount, the country collapses and everyone is worse off. For some reason men are constantly expected to do their part and more to support others, but aren't entitled to ever being helped or supported themselves, while women seem to want to be able to enjoy all the b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:37 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?No, feminism wants men to find all women beautiful and intrinsically worthy of adoration and devotion, and that while women are totally entitled to having any preferences they want, men's preferences lie somewhere between "not important" and "actively harmful to women". I agree that it wouldn't be a good outcome for the woman whom a man would date after lowering his standards. That's why feminism wants men to basically eliminate all his standards and simply be eternally grateful that a woman wou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:24 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?Caring about an idea of whatever a woman suppose to be in your mind based on nothing but her gender, and caring about an actual living breathing woman with her own flaws, ideas and personality is nowhere near the same thing. Ironically enough, most women also fail at this. Like you say, it's a human failing, not a male failing. The difference is that this failing gets called out in men and excused in women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:21 PM |
| 3 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?I wasn't sure if you put that there as a joke making fun of the people who pick the bear, or as a joke that you pick the bear to taunt/troll the people who are upset at the man vs bear argument. Maybe I understood you wrong, what do you mean when you wrote it? Because if I misread you then yeah there I am totally wrong. There are unfortunately a ton of women who are proud about choosing the bear, and then they will unironically say finding a good man is hard. That's what I meant about jokes writ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?I mean I agree with you. It's just the overwhelming majority of feminists who disagree with us both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:12 PM |
| -3 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?No. But somehow it's misogynistic for men to dare to have preferences about women's appearance in the exact same way women have demands about men's appearance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Why are women so interested in fictional romance while being blatantly adverse to most real life romance?"I adopted the bear" The joke kinda writes itself there. I hear you that unrealistic devotion is, well, unrealistic. Men caring about women is kinda easy to find. Men caring about women in the specific way women want to be cared about is certainly harder. Men caring about women as much as women wished men cared about women, that's the unrealistic devotion part, and most women seem completely unwilling to give anything back to men until and unless he shows that unrealistic devotion first. So yeah… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 05:00 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Now that you know that Nazis literally used the same kind of arguments as the M&M argument to dehumanize, demonize, and cause prejudice against the Jews, are you going to keep using the same Nazi logic with M&M's to dehumanize, demonize, and cause prejudice against men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 03:32 PM |
| 0 | Just pick someone else is silly."Just pick someone else" is the dating equivalent of "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's technically not wrong, it just completely ignores all the issues and difficulties men face in dating and more often than not is used to dismiss and invalidate those issues men face in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:25 PM |
| 5 | Just pick someone else is silly."Just pick someone else" is the dating equivalent of "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's technically not wrong, it just completely ignored all the issues and difficulties men face in dating and more often than not is used to dismiss and invalidate those issues men face in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:24 PM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementNo I'm saying feminists think women should be paid more than men for doing the same job. Because women today are paid the same as men for the same job, but according to feminism there is still a gender pay gap and women need to be paid more. So if men and women are paid the same currently, and feminists think women need to be paid more, then they believe women need to be paid more than the men who do the same job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:28 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenNo, you keep ignoring everything I say to keep repeating that absurd lie. You do know that repeating a lie doesn't make it true, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:27 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?he number of false claims is FAR fewer than the number of men who commit sexual and physical assault and see no consequences for it. We can't know that because we don't count the number of false claims. False claims don't need to be reported to the police to cause incredible damage. . But sure if that's something you're worried about, by all means avoiding situations where that could happen. You just going to completely ignore the part where you think literal Nazi antisemitic logic is fine if it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:27 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThis makes sense, and I can understand the confusion of men when they listen to women who say they want equality but only picking and choosing the equality they want. Women need to pick a lane. Honestly I'm really surprised to hear a woman say that lol, usually the vast majority of women all close ranks with other women against men lol. Nice to see a woman who can actually recognize this problem, it is so incredibly rare, so thank you for that haha. Women have had access to higher education sinc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 01:26 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?By using pattern recognition properly, instead of just blaming all men as violent due to the actions of a small minority of men. It may be a small minority of men who commit crimes but it's a vast majority of women who have been subjected to those assaults. Do you think that more women being hurt, justifies blaming innocent men more? I always use the analogy of skittles. If someone handed you a bowl of 100 skittles and said 5 of them are poison but they all look the same, are you going to eat a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:45 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Thanks for copying the argument here, I sincerely do appreciate it! Men are taught emotional vulnerability makes them less desirable. Yes, when they are emotionally vulnerable with women, and those women lose respect for them, stop having sex with them, and break up with them. You're kinda leaving out who is teaching men this and why. Women are taught to see emotional vulnerability in men as less desirable. No, most women don't need to be taught this. Most women need to be taught NOT to see emot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:41 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenDo I have to repeat the same line to you a third time? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:35 AM |
| 2 | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAnd not once in my life have I seen women being horrifically abused the way feminism describes it, but I recognize bad things can happen even if I am not seeing them. Per what I am describing, which part exactly do we disagree on? Do you think women are not paid the same as men for doing the same job? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:34 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?It totally does. Feminism thinks that men are the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of domestic abuse and constantly and consistently erases the fact that men are half the domestic abuse victims, overwhelmingly at the hands of female abusers. You don't have to take my word for it, Ellen Pence, co-founder of the Domestic Abuse Intervention Program, who helped create the Duluth model of domestic abuse, said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism "By determining that the need or d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:33 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWe’ve established I think equality is a myth, so I also don’t care about double standards. Ah fair enough, sorry about that. It's really rare to meet people who think like that, I had completely forgotten, my bad. A problem men are creating for themselves by wanting to go 50/50. Well men are creating that problem because they're listening to the women who say they want equality, so really it's men causing the problem for themselves because they listen to women. It's just that men not listening t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:21 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I'm sorry to hear there were no flags. And yeah unfortunately there seems to be some kind of thing where people who are more abusive or sociopathic either suck at manipulation, or become really good at it, so it's very hard to tell. I'm sorry you went through that. Per lesbians and man hating, sorry I thought you meant more tensions between straight women and straight men, not about bad sex specifically, I misunderstood that. To be fair though we hear the most about the people who don't have goo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:18 AM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementOf course I'm describing it differently, I'm taking into account hours worked, education, experience, degrees, training, overtime, and career title. feminists just lump all women together and all men together, and go "men paid more than women, this is discrimination!" nobody’s saying men and women should be paid the same for different jobs. Feminists are. Because by and large, women are ALREADY paid the same for the same jobs, but feminists want to pretend like that's not true and want to push f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/26 12:01 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Ok but you made a lot of comments in this thread and I want to make sure I'm not picking the wrong argument. What was your argument that "the female sex drive" is the wrong answer, because I don't see your argument anywhere? You said "the patriarchy" teaches men to hide their feelings, not men. You just assumed it by fiat and didn't defend it. When you asked "What do we call a system that teaches men they’re weak if they’re emotional and teaches women that emotional men are unattractive?" I repl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 11:55 PM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenTry and respond to the words people say instead of responding to what you believe other people believe, you'll probably be incorrect less often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 11:52 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIts not punishment. He learns what kind of woman he is dealing with. Right, and I'm sure it's not punishment if the woman learns the man she was dating is abusive and she didn't have a means to verify beforehand. If dating is not about mutual interest but is instead a negotiation based on value extraction, what self respecting man would participate? I mean you're not wrong but you're kinda forgetting the point that the overwhelming majority of women treat dating like a negotiation based on value… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 11:50 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAnd you apparently think women discriminating against men foe whatever reason women want is totally find, and just shows how little you care about equality when it's not to your personal benefit. The fact is I'm not bitter that women have the right to refuse me, the fact is you apparently don't have the capacity to care about men, but you feel entitled to men caring about women's issues and things that would impact you directly. Try and respond to the words people say instead of responding to wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:57 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementThese are the men that have a higher chance of success with women that prefer men to pay. Right, those men who are following the sexist social standard that is imposed on men by women, tend to have a higher change of success by following that sexist social standard that women impose on men. I completely agree with you. And for some reason when there was a sexist social standard imposed on women, it was seen as wrong and sexist and in need of being changed, no matter how successful were the women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:24 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAnd managers exercising the autonomy to not hire women because women tend to take more sick leave, take maternity leave, and tend not to go back to work after they've had a child, is not punishment either. So I'm sorry that I won't take the opinion of someone who can't stop framing things in a dishonest manner, keeps jumping from non-argument to non-argument, and who apparently isn't interested at all in moral or intellectual integrity, to be a reliable judge of what is or isn't punishment. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:18 PM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Christ I am sorry you had those experiences with those men, and yeah that is 100% unacceptable. There were no signs ahead of time that they were that despicable? If your experiences were with straight cis feminists, I'm going to point back to my theory that straight people just have bad sex. I don't think that has anything to do with socio political ideology. I mean yeah but lesbian feminists are also famously man-hating, and I haven't noticed bisexual feminists being any less man-hating than th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.And why not both options? Some preferences are shallow and need to be re-examined while others are legitimate compatibility issues. See I agree with this. The problem is that as a society we've decided that all of women's preferences are always legitimate and valid no matter how shallow, and that men's preferences are never legitimate no matter what if it limits or negatively impacts women in any way shape or form. I agree with you, but the standards for deciding what is shallow or needs to be r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 10:05 PM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Well see the thing is that men have an extremely hard time getting ANY matches at all. I agree that the point of a date is not to force a match, but the point of the argument is that women generally expect and demand more effort from the man than women are willing to give in. And if we care about equality and about addressing gender-based social attitudes, that's a pretty big one to address. But for some reason, every time there are any of these kinds of attitudes that pop up, whenever it affect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:59 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally a bullshit notion used to try and paint women as victims of an unfair society, when 99% of the pay gap is entirely due to women's own choices. There was a pay gap, but then we passed laws banning companies from paying women less, and we worked hard to address hiring discrimination. The pay gap has basically been solved for decades now, but it's too useful a tool to give up completely, so feminism keeps trotting out the debunked old argument over and over again to rally the troops, beca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenSince when have men ever cared about women’s issues? Literally since forever. You do realize it was men who voted to give women the right to vote, and that men have been half the feminists since the very beginning, right? I grew up in the ‘80s and ‘90s and got all the messaging about how hilarious that woman were going to be childless cat ladies if we had careers Do you think it's therefore ok to blame and punish all men, for something a minority of men did and said? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:49 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from women"Men have to give up their privilege in the name of equality!" "What, we have to give up privileges too? But women don't have privileges, we're unequal, we're only supposed to benefit and have more and better, I don't wanna give anything up!" Gotta love those buffet feminists. Shame they're basically 80% of feminists now and that the vast majority of feminists couldn't recognize equality if it hit them in the face. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:47 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean there are a ton of things women see that men don't, because it happens to women and not to men. This is one of those things that happen to men. If you're a woman, it's not unreasonable to think this just isn't part of your lived experience, because you are a woman, not a man. What part of the internet are you seeing that in because we must frequent different corners. Usually feminist and pro-women spaces, which is usually most of the internet except for a few small bubbles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:45 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Let's pretend I'm stupid and I missed it, could you repeat it for me here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:44 PM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Out of the handful of straight guys I've been with only one was a decent lover willing to learn and listen. The rest were selfish and inconsiderate at best, abusive and cruel at worst. What do you mean by abusive and cruel just to know? FWIW I am terribly sorry to hear that has happened to you, it shouldn't happen to anyone. I also can't help but feel that it seems the common element among all those men is that they're men you chose to be with. I hope you dumped the bad guys immediately after se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?Completely agree that there are so many uncompassionate people in the world. There are far too many women who believe women to be way more compassionate than women are, because there's a ton of women who don't give a shit and actively despise men. Meanwhile there are also a ton of men who are judged to not be compassionate because they're not expressing their compassion the way women want or would recognize, but they are bleeding heart compassionate anyways. I'm a true egalitarian, I believe men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:40 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenHaha thanks. I can't believe we're at a point where we have to point out what equality means and that if we care about equality, then women are equally responsible for accountability and morals and values as men are. Should be FUCKING OBVIOUS, but apparently it's not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:32 PM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.I hear you. And yeah, feminism may have had a basis in equality, but it's been a long time since, and feminism now basically treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women. It is frustrating and infuriating to see something that SHOULD be for the good of all and that CLAIMS to be for the good of all, then turn around and perpetuate the exact same kinds of issues they should have been fighting against. It's a shame how far feminism has fallen, and the worst part is that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI'm glad you think you don't have to play the game of equality and accountability. Don't complain whenever there are issues women face and men don't care and don't help. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:28 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYes, he’s punished unless he’s asking a woman that’s actually okay with 50/50 and it works for both of them. And for the woman who wants either 50/50 or that the man pays, she wins on both sides. Meanwhile, men who prefer to pay for the date, are still subribing to a sexist societal standard that puts a burden on men. And men who want 50/50 get punished whenever they match with a woman who may not feel like paying for her half on that particular day. So it's still an unequal double standard and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:26 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally being called cheap, broke, and having the date cancelled on you. The consequence is the unfair double standards, stigma, loss of social opportunity, and increased rejection. It's funny because whenever those happen to women it is always seen as a problem that needs to be addressed, but whenever it happens to men, the exact same women who basically demand endless empathy and sympathy from men, are the first in line to say men aren't entitled to an ounce of sympathy or empathy from women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:16 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is Entitlementmen paying for dates and pursuing women has nothing to do with feminism. Of course it does. Feminism claims to be about equality, gender norms, and gendered behaviour. Men paying for dates is a gendered behaviour that is distinctly unequal. Either feminism is actually about equality and therefore should care about equality for men, or feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, in which case feminism isn't about equality at all. So which is it? it’s just t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:10 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementOh definitely. I'm always amazed about how men tend to try and deal with reality as it is, and to change reality, while women tend to deal with perception of reality and to change people's perception of reality and feelings about reality, rather than dealing with reality itself. Not all the time and not everyone of course, but that's definitely a big difference between the genders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 09:06 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementFunny that, when men don't want to pay for dates and don't want to be endlessly emotionally supportive and don't want to do all the things for women that women feel entitled to, that's a problem. But women are free to refuse men anything and everything they want to, and women are totally justified in giving back even an once of empathy or sympathy to men, while demanding endless empathy and sympathy from men. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 07:56 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementAnd I never said you could, but that doesn't mean women should get away with self serving hypocrisy either. Do you want women to be treated like equal adults with equal agency and equal moral responsibility? Or do you want women to be treated like hypocritical self serving children who can't help themselves and can't be held accountable? Because you can't have it both ways. So which do you want? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 07:52 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementYou do realize this is a prime example of self serving hypocrisy right? Apparently values and good morals matter and everyone should be nice and help others, right up until it's something where women can profit off of men's efforts and then it's totally fine and good. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:51 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementI love how men should show more empathy and sympathy for women, and in return women often reply with "fuck you I got mine, I'll sink us both unless I get my way". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:50 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementDoesn't mean we can't call out the obviously self serving hypocrisy though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:49 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementFunny that when there is a cultural issue affecting women everyone needs to bend over backwards as a society to address it, but when there is a cultural issue men can unfuck themselves on their own and they're not entitled to even an ounce of empathy or sympathy from women. Odd double standard that. Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all, now is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:48 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementWell of course, because there is a similar cultural issue (heavily reinforced by feminism) where women overall are always the victims and men overall can never be victims. Whether it is men or women reinforcing that biased and unequal notion doesn't matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:47 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementBecause it's only a good match when it benefits the woman, and who gives a damn how much it disadvantages the man. Gotta love modern equality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:41 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementGenerally when one person pays for an expensive order, it's usually not the man ordering something outrageously expensive. You're not wrong at all, it's just your argument applies about 10x more to men than to women. And yet for some reason it's fine for women to ask for everyone paying for their own meal, but men face social consequences from women for saying the exact same thing. There are lots of double standards in society but for some reason society only cares about the double standards tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:37 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementIt's not weird for women to say that. It's weird for men to say it and men face the consequences of it. Just because women don't have that issue, doesn't mean men don't either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:35 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementSo 80% of people of both sexes shouldn't be dating then. Doesn't sound like a useful metric. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:34 PM |
| – | Expecting Men to Pay for First Dates Is EntitlementRight, so the man is punished if he asks 50/50 before the date, and he's punished if he asks for 50/50 during or after the date. Meanwhile women can just pick whichever option she prefers at any time without any risks or consequences with plausible deniwbility, while the man has to face all the risks and consequences. Great game kf "heads she wins, tails he loses." it's treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women, which is not equality at all. And then women wonde… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/26 03:33 PM |
| 3 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Well yeah, and some guys swear that men getting raped by women is a good thing. Those guys are wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:19 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Somewhere between 2 and 20%. It's not like it's all women, but to pretend it's none of the women is equally disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 05:10 AM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean it's fair that they don't expect their partners to be pro, but on the other hand as a woman yourself you wouldn't really be the target of the expectations that women put on men. Not sure what you mean that only one straight dude was like that out of more than one, only one porn brained dude? It's kind of funny too because if women describe men as porn brained, then the male equivalent would be describing women as romance-brained, that women read too much romance and have very high expecta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 03:46 AM |
| 3 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I'll add it to my list! I am happy to hear women seem receptive to feedback when approached compassionately, I can only hope they will approach men with half as much compassion as they expect to receive, because there's a significant and severe lack of compassion for men from women apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:36 AM |
| 2 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?And overwhelmingly the response when men complain is that they must be bad lovers and it's their own fault and they're misogynistic for daring to complain about women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:35 AM |
| 3 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?There's a whole host of them, from the constant demonization of men, the erasure of male victims as though men CANNOT be victims of anything, there's the male loneliness epidemic, there's how men are systematically emotionally neglected in society, there's the male suicide epidemic, the issue that schools systematically grade boys worse than girls despite giving the same answer, there's the issue of universities being 60% women and there still being more efforts to bring in more women in univers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:33 AM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.We call it patriarchy. Patriarchy was the answer we were looking for. We have some lovely consolation prizes for you. Fair enough I should have said condescension and belittling instead of shaming and guilt tripping. Either way, you have any arguments to make? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:30 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenFair then maybe it would be more accurate to say that women understand men favour youth, they just don't like it, criticize it, and wish it wasn't so. If we’re criticizing something, by definition we’re not denying it exists or calling people who say it exists liars. I mean there are many people who can and do argue in bad faith, who can verbally deny something exists while they believe it does, but I get your point. So, either women don't understand that men like younger women and they're calli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh absolutely. They claim to be against sexism, while being massively sexist themselves, because they believe women are so much better and more moral than men. They treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and get mad when you call them out on it. It's a clown world out there. Cannot make this shit up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:22 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?What words did I twist? Be specific. These ones when all we did was gain independence and start deciding men aren’t worth the headache. When the topic had absolutely nothing to do with independence or about how men aren't worth the headache. It's basically just a more subtle version of for example me asking you when you stopped abusing your partner. It's baking in an assumption into the statement and running with it, without ever justifying it or defending it. I will blame men, Cool, so I know y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:20 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.I agree that the internet messes with our perception of reality, the problem is that many people have built their entire personality around those flawed perceptions. I'm talking specifically the women and feminists who are terrified there's a male rapist behind every street corner, who believe they are entirely justified in their paranoia, who then turn around and tell men who are falsely accused of rape that those men are delusional and paranoid and clearly the internet has rotted their brain. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:13 AM |
| 1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?pretty much any post online about women who have bad sex lives in committed relationships starts with "i have tried talking to him repeatedly and nothing changes" Well if she has tried talking to him and he doesn't change, then yeah that absolutely sucks and he is at fault. I do wish to understand exactly what was said and how, because unfortunately communication between men and women is spotty at best, and both men and women can be convinced they communicated a message clearly and be completely… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I can agree that it is partly his fault, but for some reason it is never partly women's fault for being socialized the way they were and we can never hold women accountable for being socialized the way they were. I'm all for agreeing people are partly responsible, but we have to do it for both genders. but it's very common to see young men who had a casual group of friends through school related to school activities act gobsmacked when their friends drift away when they're no longer shari… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.TThe point about making observations isn't to "win men over" or "gain allies" in the first place. Not sure why you think that's the point of anything I said. Oh no see that was sarcasm to point out how you are going to be actively alienating half the people on the planet, and how those people who could have been allies and who could have helped you, will instead feel attacked for something they didn't do, and they will become apathetic to you or actively hostile to you, because of your own choic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:51 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Generally, the exact same thing women expect and demand from men. Women want men to listen to, hear, and acknowledge women's lived experiences. Well, it would help men a ton for women to do exactly that to men, to understand the issues men face, the struggles men face, and understand how men are different from women and think differently from women, but that it doesn't mean that men face no issues. Men don't face the issues women face, but there are a ton of issues men face that women don't eith… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:46 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Haha thanks, I try. Have my upvote! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:42 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.Oh I agree that it gets framed that way. And it gets framed that way by women specifically to make men look bad and make women look good. When Hinge allowed a height filter, the vast majority of women on it immediately set the height filter to 6' and above. There has never been a weight filter on any of the dating apps. Women are just as if not more superficial than men, but they want to control the narrative to make women look good and make men look worse in comparison. I agree that it is stupi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:42 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAccountability for women framing situations in a dishonest way to absolve themselves of any and all responsibility and laying all the blame squarely at the feet of men. See I care about equality, and equality means recognizing that men and women are equally shitty, but also that men and women can and should help each other equally. Unfortunately feminism treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and that's not equality at all now is it. So you have a choice. You … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:32 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?I mean you'd say that, but it's already being said and has been said for the past 20+ years. But in all those years for some reason it's still basically verboten to ever blame women or hold women responsible for their own pleasure or for educating their partner. There are many men who are glad to to teach their partners how to have sex, basically. I have no idea why but many women seem to be incredibly resistant to the idea of teaching men anything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/26 01:29 AM |
| 2 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.I mean I don't disagree that the internet is a tool, but we can't argue that online isn't real life, when online is ispired by, leaks into, and coexists with, real life. It's absolutely true that niche corners of the internet are not representative of reality as a whole, but we can't just dismiss all niches as though none of them are relevant, useful, or accurate. It does take nuance, and the internet absolutely can be used for good and bad things. It's just that for some reason the internet bei… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:20 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I love how it’s women to blame when all we did was gain independence and start deciding men aren’t worth the headache. I love how women twist the meaning of words and paint arguments in an extremely dishonest and bad faith interpretation of what was said without actually ever engaging with the argument, and this this somehow makes them smart or win the argument. Just reading these responses is enough to show that women made the right choice by choosing the bear. You go do that. Just don't blame … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:17 PM |
| -1 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?oh yeah fair and that applies to men just as much. But I still find it really strange how that kind of fear of men and treating men like they're potentially violent psychopaths until or unless proven otherwise, can coexist with genuine desire for some man. Like, the desire for a man shouldn't erase the fear that he might be a psycho, but it does, somehow? Because again people are weird and can hold mutually contradictory ideas if they rationalize it hard enough, and arousal is anything but ratio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Good on you for doing that serious reflection, acknowledging one's flaws and changing oneself is very difficult. Per people putting up with it, there's that good quote from Mr Nobody, about how there are so many assholes because people let them get away with it. It's seen as impolite to contradict or call people out, so they let them get away with it and silently judge instead. My problem tends to lie in the other direction, of being too accommodating and not having strong enough boundaries. Kin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:14 PM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWell yes I'm being combative against dishonest framing of a situation and refusal to acknowlegde reality in order to try and absolve women of accountability and try and paint men in a bad light. I think that's fairly reasonable grounds for not being passive. I'd rather recognize the truth. If I'm wrong I would also like to know. I absolutely can deal with vulnerability, so I don't know why you're throwing that in there out of the blue. Can you explain to me what vulnerability here has to do with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:58 PM |
| 0 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.It also doesn't make it immediately wrong. Feel free to use arguments and logic instead of shaming and guilt tripping. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:42 PM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I know patriarchy is the answer "we" were looking for. The problem is I like to give answers that are correct instead of just lying to people to tell them what they want to hear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:39 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?almost entirely due to a lack of care or effort on the male partner's part. women usually can't get off from penetration alone and require foreplay type elements for the big O. When a guy decides he doesn't care about that, then you end up with the orgasm gap women complain about. And apparently women seem incapable of explaining what they need to men, incapable of teaching it to men, incapable of explaining they'd want to have sex with him more if she had more orgasms, and/or incapable of leavi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:35 AM |
| 0 | How would you feel about a "reverse orgasm gap*?It is kind of weird though because female sexuality is highly contingent on feeling a man's urgent desire, but men's urgent desire gets constantly painted as something that is wrong and violent and undesireable. People are weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:32 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean you started it with the "well men are violent against women" as a "get out of jail free" card. I'd love to debate, but you are right that there is no debate possible when the first recourse is to immediately turns to "well men are violent thugs" to win the argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:30 AM |
| 1 | Chivalry is a submissive act.Why you want to harm your own mental health by imagining insults that don’t exist I have no idea. It's called feminism and it's an incredibly profitable business to sell women narratives of things that don't exist for them to get mad at men over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:27 AM |
| 5 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.And this is called "moving the goalposts." A woman sharing her frustrations about being harassed gets a ton of women supporting her because they've overwhelmingly experienced harassment too. You clearly agree that these women are correct and right in sharing their overwhelmingly experienced harassment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:22 AM |
| – | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Immediately narrowing it to "viral online posts" is clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative. Oh the irony! The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them. clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:21 AM |
| – | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Dude's entire schtick on here is to take the most bad faith interpretation of any argument that is critical of women, and then calling out any reply as a fallacy. Half the time he's just wrong and it's not a fallacy, he's just interpreting the reply in a bad faith way to make it sound like a fallacy, and the other half of the time it's technically true but it's pendantry about the definition of words. It can be kinda fun trying to argue with Solo and try to paint him into a corner, but most of t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:20 AM |
| 6 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them. The only stories you pay attention to because it confirms your biases =/= the only common stories among the manosphere. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make reality go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:18 AM |
| 3 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Online isn’t real life. Oh cool then the red pill, the manosphere, and incels aren't real life either and we can tell women to stop bitching about those, neat! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:16 AM |
| 1 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Do you believe a ot of women at least passively support the subjugation of men because of the chivalrous ideals of men freely helping women just because they are women, that so many women want to return to? Even women who identify as feminists often believe that they're owed a fantastic male partner who will do everything for them the way they want it, and resent men for not making that fantasy a reality. You're kinda taking the most bad faith interpretation possible to really push an agenda rea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:14 AM |
| -5 | The rise of semi-segregated online spaces and their consequences have been a disaster for gender relations.Based on the bias of your post and this really curious blindness, it's pretty evident to me that you don't really think that the disaster is in knowledge of these ideas. It's in men finally having to take even a fraction of what they've been giving. Right, nothing ever helped foster peace, goodwill and people helping one another than to say "fuck you, you oppressed mine for hundreds of years in the past, now you who is innocent of ever doing any of that, will suffer the exact same fate my people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 08:10 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Because men have a history of violence against women Oh boo hoo anything there's anything sightly inconvenient the old "but men used to beat up and murder women" excuse gets trotted out. 80% of victims of violent men, were other men. You don't see men be utterly terrified of existing out in public though. The more women keep using that bullshit "I win because men murder women" card, the less men will take it seriously and the less men will care. This is why comparing men's expression of frustrat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:48 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Thanks haha, I'm trying to cut down my time in here, but it's kind of addicting. I try and do good in the rest of my life and there's nothing I can really get all that mad about out IRL, but this is one space where I can kinda cut loose and let my anger out at the blatantly hypocritical and bullshit takes. But it's not good for me because it primes my brain to seek out that kind of bullshit and primes my brain to react with anger at the bullshit. I gotta stop but arguing with idiots on this sub … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:35 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIf a man is a 6/10, and women who are 4/10 refuse to date anything less than a 7/10, is the man dating out of his league if he can't get a 4/10? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 07:03 AM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Yes, I do type all that out every time. I try and be understood, and kinda get carried away typing too much and trying to explain myself too deeply, sorry. you have a remarkably active imagination and capacity for anguish! You can spin a diatribe of persecution from almost literally nothing! Yeah, I've been talking with feminists too long, it's starting to rub off on me. Why don't you try writing fiction instead of wasting your precious time on earth and carpal tunnel strength on the manosphere?… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 06:20 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Then why are men complaining about the women that chase criminals (who are definitely drama) when they say they want peace? Why do they care? Because those same women who complain about where all the good men have gone, then pick the bad boys, and complain that all men including the good ones ain't shit. They kinda care because the men face consequences from the constant insulting and demonization of men. Why should women care if men call women hoes and whores, right? Well, if women are allowed … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 06:19 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I agree that you need to have a certain understanding to communicate thoughts properly. The issue is not so much linguistics and the different meaning of words, because "patriarchy" is a single word that should have a rather more singular or at least unified definition, instead of referring to 10 different things, some of which are contradictory to one another. Generally if you ask 10 physicists to define gravity, or 10 doctors to define cancer, you're not going to get wildly inconsistent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 05:12 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that there is a bit of a problem with the same word different understanding thing. I also agree it's not a unisex problem, both men and women do it in different ways. The one with men wanting sex but not going to sex workers is indeed a problem, and it's actually indicative of a broader problem in society that basically denies men their humanity. See men also want to be touched, desired, held, loved, appreciated, and the vast majority of men are both chronically emotionally neglected and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I am happy to hear that you found medication that helped! It does indeed take years and years and constant work to be better. It's kind of exhausting to try and be mentally and physically healthy, and life fucks all of us up in so many different ways. We all do need to have more empathy for one another and compassion for the suffering we all go through. It's a shame there's so much hate in the world. Agree with you that behavioural health care and mental health in general are so stigmatized, but… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:56 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Many women report falling for guys they were not initially attracted to. You know that's fair, there are some women like that. They don't seem to be the majority, but they do exist. I spoke too hastily there. But also, do men pursue people they aren't attracted to? Women only dating men they find attractive is not some gotcha. People in general don't want to date people they aren't attracted to. I mean the difference is that men generally consider 50% of women attractive, while women seem to con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:53 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenHe was on his own and it worked on his first try? Damn, lucky bastard! Ok BRB gonna run after women in the park to get conversations started! ;) For real though how exactly did it go from a random man approaching you to you two going out together? If you can write a book that successfully helps men know how to approach women and date you might just become a multi-millionaire overnight! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:45 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that even people who are good at spotting red flags can miss some, generally we can spot the obvious red flags, and there are some smaller red flags that are easier to miss and harder to catch. And absolutely, someone who has never been in a relationship with someone who had red flags, generally won't get better at spotting them. We get better with red flags because we didn't see them and got "bit" by them, so we're better the next time around. kinda funny that because /u/ouishi was kind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:43 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean I think it can be the fault of both of them, in some situations it's more the man's fault, in some sitations more the woman's fault, but I agree with you that society, purity culture, patriarchy, and feminism throwing the baby out with the bathwater by condemning all the old ways of doing things without really providing an alternative, and a metric ton of other things, that makes it all massively complicated. It really is a shame that there are so many rifts and disconnects between men an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:32 AM |
| 2 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.I agree that knowingly entering a relationship after identifying an incompatibility is setting oneself up for failure. The problem is that people can't always spot that incompatibility, or they think the incompatibility is not in fact an incompatibility. It's not always black or white ;) There is always an optin even if it's not one you want. I mean yeah but men are significantly more willing to take those options than women are. Women seem to want to either take the absolute best choice, or hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:29 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenThat doesn’t make sense, since men being looks and youth focused is a common female complaint, as is actresses being way younger than their male counterparts, older men are always hitting on teenagers and twenty somethings (hello, age gap relationships!) and the pressure to look like young women I don't know what you think doesn't make sense. Men say they find younger women to be most beautiful, and despite all the evidence pointing that way, somehow women still don't believe men. I don't know w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:25 AM |
| 0 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean, generally I think people should try to have moral integrity and intellectual honesty. Those seem like good values to have, no? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:07 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenA lot more than 20% of men date, but just because they date doesn't mean it was easy for them to date, or that the women didn't "settle" for him because they couldn't get something better. how are you being expected to date down? What does dating down look like for you? I'm saying the women who are as fat as me and make as much money as I do, generally believe they deserve someone better than me, who is both fitter and richer than me. So if the women who are fitter than me and richer than me obv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I disagree. What makes one a good partner has nothing to do with experience. I mean experience doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make someone a better partner, you can't just have lots of partners, do nothing while in a relationship, and become automatically better, you have to actually work to improve and get better while in a relationship. But experience absolutely plays a role, because we learn a ton about ourselves through experience in a relationship, and that's just not something you can experience an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:50 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Yes, being in relationships with men who were very emotionally stunted gave me insight into why and how they turned out that way. It wasn’t really their fault, That must have been difficult and I am sorry you went through that, but on the other hand it is fantastic that you did get those insights. Most women don't care about the insights and don't care to understand why, and just care to blame men into getting better. but at the same time they were unwilling to do anything about it even as it wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Not sure what you mean there, I'm assuming that's for the last question about the loving husbands. The loving husbands are part of the problem and work for solutions, but get shut down? I mean if they're working for the solutions but get shut down, it sounds like they're not part of the problem. Sounds like it's the wife who is the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:33 AM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I agree that not everyone is ready to change. Changing oneself is a very hard thing haha, and it is indeed impossible to force someone to change. As much as we would like to, to have that kind of control over others, we simply do not, and we cannot force others to change. We can only open the door, they have to go through it themselves, and if they are not willing, there's nothing we can do. I won't say that people are not willing to accept help due to their own trauma. I'd say more that their t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:32 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean sure, lonely sexless men give bad advice for dating, but that's kind of obvious, so why point that out? I can say that people who are born blind don't give good fashion advice, but like, sure? So what? I am of the belief that in order to be able to give good advice on any topic, generally speaking, you need to have experience with that topic. Well, yes. The problem is that there are many men who have a lot of experience dating women and give good advice on how to date women, and women don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:26 AM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI don't know what you mean by "being asked" to consider women who are fat or poor. I'm saying the women who are as fat as me and make as much money as I do, generally believe they deserve someone better than me, who is both fitter and richer than me. So if the women who are fitter than me and richer than me obviously don't want me, and the women who are as fat as me and as rich as men don't want me, who exactly do you think I'm left with? Incidentally, this weird incel math and aggrieved entitle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:08 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean when men say they find young women attractive, women say they're lying and they just want women who are easier to control, or say men are lying and they're actually pedophiles. That happens all the time. Women for some reason refuse to believe that men think that female beauty peaks at like 21. Virtually all men regardless of age think the most attractive age for women is 21. In contrast women think the most attractive men are a few years older than her, until women hit 30 then they think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:05 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenLol. I wish I could see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes on my comments, so I'd see if it's just one or two disgruntled people, or if it's like -52 to +49 or something. Lots of angry NPC points going on in this sub for sure. Lots of "I agree" upvotes as well, which kinda defeats the purpose of upvotes as "this comment adds to the conversation", but most conversations on here are kinda shit anyways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 03:00 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I don't mind a bit of facetiousness and sass, I enjoy some good humour and good-natured ribbing. Unfortunately there are way too many women on this sub who do straight up hate men and would 100% genuinely say that, while being completely oblivious to the hypocrisy that they would never accept it if it was a man telling her to choose better. but the reality is that sometimes you’re gonna learn lessons about what you don’t want in a relationship the hard way. Absolutely. We can read up all we want… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:58 AM |
| 5 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.It's not that they fail to understand the statement. It's that they don't want to acknowledge it and will interpret anything in any way that never contradits what they want to believe about women. They want to see that women are kind and caring and moral and that men are these violent horrible brutes, and they're willing to twist words and reinterpret anything said to try and maintain the beliefs they want to hold, reality and truth be damned. I spent way too long on this subreddit arguing with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:51 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.From my perspective, the only ones who are actively working on promoting a point of view that men’s emotions are valid and matter and that men have a right to express those emotions, are those quarter or so of feminists that you mentioned. That's totally fair, it's just a shame that less than 1/4 of feminists are completely drowned out by the other 3/4 and that most of their efforts get completely cancelled out. There are a ton of men who are actively working on promoting a point of view that me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:47 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean many women are in fact liars. So are men. It's called being human. I don't pretend like one gender is morally superior to the other simply because of the gender they're born into, that's generally what feminists do. Besides, being called a liar is pretty harmless compared to being judged as predatory and selfish just because of one's gender. Per dating advice, I'm not sure what exactly you are asking for here. Dating advice that works and that women won't believe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:27 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAnd if all the women are chasing very few men, then that would suggest that the rest of them have no chance at all Well, yes. Women judge 80% of men as "below average". On dating apps, women swipe right 10% of the time, and get a match on 6 of the 10 swipes they make, for a 60% match rate. Men swipe right 50% of the time, and get a match on less than 5 of the 50 swipes they make, for a less than 10% match rate. IRL, it is overwhelmingly men who do the approaching and overwhelmingmy men who get r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenIf women will only date Chad and you’re not Chad, then how are you being asked to date down? Because if I ask the woman on my level, she sees me as below her. So I have to ask a woman "below my level", because she will look up at me and think I'm on her level. Basically, say I make 75K a year. Women who make 75K a year want men who make 100k a year. Therefore women who make the same income I do, won't date me, and so to find someone who will date me, I have to pick a date from women who earn les… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:21 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenAh fair enough. I'm honestly kinda surprised honestly, it's a rare woman who acknowledges that the term incel has now become meaningless. And per lonely sexless men, how would you know that? You say it's just the facts at hand, but how do you know? Are you assuming they're lonely and sexless just because of the advice they give? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:08 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I don't care how his wife looked at my age. I don't care about any of that. I care that he was inadvertently insulting his wife to compliment me. Therefore trying to force me to engage in competition with his wife. Which disgusts me. I cut clients off for that. No, you are assuming that he was insulting his wife. That's your interpretation of what you believe he was saying. He might have been thinking that he was complimenting you, because his wife was beautiful 20 years ago and you are just as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:07 AM |
| 2 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenright because lonely sexless men are experts on what women want and how to get them. You basically said incel without saying incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:03 AM |
| 3 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.See the problem is that the vast majority of women want men to plan the date. So it's nice for the 20% of guys who get a woman who don't expect the man to plan dates, but what are the other 80% of men supposed to do? You're not wrong, but your solution to men's dating issue is basically "if you're homeless just buy a house". It's nice for women that they can metaphorically "just buy a house" for themselves, but the overwhelming majority of men simply do not have that option. So what then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenOh yeah telling men to talk to strangers in public would absolutely get a shitshow started, both with the women who claim that men daring to talk to women in public is harrassment, and with men saying that talking to women in public is the fast way to getting falsely accused of rape lol. I actually agree with you that talking to people in person and in public is a good idea (in areas where people are friendly, pick your neighborhood and all that), the problem is that there's still a HUGE gap bet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 02:00 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenLol, you missed it, /u/Downtown_Cat_1745 already told me that women are not prey. It's a good thing women are such good communicators that they can understand metaphors so well. There's probably a ton more who thought that and didn't reply either, going by the downvotes I received. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:57 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Honstly I am rather surprised and very glad to hear that you are in agreement. Something like 90% of women on here would refuse to acknowledge that there ever could be any kind of wide scale systemic problem with how women treat men, as though there's no way women could be anything less than moral angels who can do no wrong. I agree that it is hard to be in a relationship with someone who is emotionally stunted or closed off. The flip side of that would e that it is hard to be in a relationship … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Hey, the fact you can say "I'm sorry for you" is already pretty fantastic, that makes you better than 90% of the women on this sub. Most of them can't even acknowledge that this is a thing men experience and that they ought to feel sorry for what men go through. Most women on here just refuse to acknowledge that men can be and are victims or victimized, so you're doing fantastic in comparison! I uh, I i think women overall just want men to have more balanced selves.. dbt is a good way to do that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:47 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen don't believe men when men describe how dating is brutal for men. Women don't believe men when men say that men are half the domestic abuse victims, or that men frequently get hit and insulted by women. Women don't believe men when men point out they don't experience all the female privileges women enjoy without realizing. Women don't believe men when men try to explain the gender empathy gap, or explain that men don't get helped if they cry. Women don't believe men when men say that when … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:35 AM |
| 8 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenA person who dates you selects you back. And the person who selects back basically has to do no effort beyond saying yes. Hence it puts all the burden on men, which is why men have to figure out how to approach women, date women, ask women out, and all that, and basically have to ask the fisherman how to do the job, because the woman's job is more often than not just sitting back and saying yes. Again, I'd agree with you that women are "not prey" if women would approach men and would ask men out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:34 AM |
| 2 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Oh I agree with you that the whole dynamic has changed beyond all recognition. The dating scene is completely fucked, because not only has the bar scene changed a lot, but the "traditional script" for how to date, how to signal interest, and the acceptable script to communicate that interest, has all been thrown out the window, with absolutely nothing to replace it. They threw the baby out with the bathwater, set the washbasin on fire, shot anyone who approached, and then wondered why men don't … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:29 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.True that! I shouldn't forget how virulent homophobia comes out so frequently and so easily from the mouths of women who claim to be progressive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:26 AM |
| 1 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.How is the "burden placed on men" exactly? If the potential relationship didn't work out for either of them isn't that equal? The burden is placed on men because while if the relationship fails it does fail for both of them, but "if one person is a great communicator" puts the burden on whoever that greater communicator will be, and more often than not it's not the woman. So if the man is not a great communicator, the relationship fails, because often women are not great communicators and seemin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:24 AM |
| 3 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen are not prey. I mean on the one hand no they're not, but on the other hand if women don't want to be prey then they ought to actively participate in dating and chase men down themselves instead of waiting for men to chase them. It’s more like you’re asking how to get a job from people who don’t have jobs instead of asking interviewers No, it's asking how to get a job from people who have had many jobs, while half the interviewers are saying that the best way to get a job is to ask for the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWomen don't call men liars, they just don't believe what men say if women don't like what they hear. Women often do believe that men are in fact liars or mistaken, they just don't say it out loud. It's basically a distinction without a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:16 AM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Emotional vulnerability is not weakness, it is proof of strength. Except for the near majority of women who treat it as weakness when they see it in men. I kind of agree with you, but the problem is that women apparently decided that they are the sole arbiters of what counts as emotional vunlerability and how men should show emotional vulnerability, and women elected themselves as the sole arbiters of whether it counts as emotional vulnerability or as weakness that gives them the ick. Especially… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:14 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Well yes, because there's very little correlation between feminism and being open to men expressing vulnerability. The good feminists certainly try to care about men's issues and helping men, but the good feminists are somewhere less than 1/4 of all feminists out there, so yeah, no correlation between feminism and caring about men's emotions. Which is part of why I am in fact an anti-feminist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:08 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Funnily enough when men say that to women the men are accused of being misogynistic and hateful. I actually agree with you that choosing better solves A LOT of problems, but for some reason that's one of many things men apparently aren't allowed to tell women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Totally fair, and to be fair if you are not a "typical" woman or a "typical" guy, that kinda lands one in the non-average kind of friend circles, where the mainstream nonsense is less likely to happen. At the end of the day, so long as you are happy and living a good life, and happy with the friends you are making, then that's really all that matters :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 01:05 AM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean that's fair, but asking women about their experiences with men, and asking men about their experiences with other men, is still not the same as asking men about their experiences with women. Not saying your boyfriend didn't have bad experiences, I have some gay friends and they're also disillusioned with how so many gay men just want sex. But there is a specific flavour of awfulness that men experience at the hands of women, and for some reason nobody wants to acknowledge that. The only m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:57 AM |
| 0 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Right. You learn. And you try to assume what the woman wants, because you learn that when you ask women what they want, they turn you down and you get rejected. So you learn to not ask because asking leads to failure. What then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 4 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenNo but see even a married man with children giving advice about how to attract women, gets called an incel the moment he gives advice women don't like. Therefore despite being a married man with children, since his advice makes him an incel, he automatically becomes a lonely sexless man, and his loneliness, sexlessness, and hatred of women is clearly the reason he's giving advice women don't like. So "men being lonely and sexless can't give good advice" isn't really a useful parameter, because a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/26 12:13 AM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.To be fair there's also a "what I get for myself intrinsically from a relationship, that doesn't require it being given to me from others". I like to help people and make people happy for example, and that's just something I enjoy that doesn't require anyone to give me anything. But yeah everyone needs to take a good long look at the give vs take to make sure their relationships are worth it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 11:56 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.No like her pussy dried up ever since she saw him crying about his dying cat, and therefore he's not getting any pussy anymore. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.If by "men" you mean "a tiny minority of men" then sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Good for that client, he's not going to be stuck with someone who interprets everything he says in the worst light possible. You ever thought he might have meant that you look like how his wife looked like 20 years ago? And if he thought his wife looked good then, that you do too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Millennial women are pretty awesome to other millennial women. 21% of women under 30 in the UK say they have a very negative view of men, compared to 7% of men under 30 who have a very negative view of women. Millennial women can be awesome to millennial men like they can be horrible to millennial men. As a millennial woman you don't have to walk through that minefield. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:12 PM |
| 5 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.But if a man opens up, and what opening up reveals is that he doesn't have the emotional maturity one might reasonably expect of a sixth grader, of course she's going to be horrified. Then she's going to be horrified to find out that society basically systematically emotionally neglects and emotionally abuses men, and apparently nobody cares enough to do something about it rather than telling men to do better, man up, and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, while completely ignoring the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:07 PM |
| 3 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Yall date some heartless women lol Well yeah, there's a fuck ton of women who are heartless to men out there. That's kinda what feminism has been preaching the last few decades, where have you been? Ime most women are perfectly okay with a man showing emotion over big life moments like a loved one dying. Provided that these things are actually big life moments, and not daily dramas Yes, but usually only if the man has enough "manliness credits" to get away with it. The more manly she perceived h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 10:01 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Men are also very happy to say they will gladly teach that virgin the knowledge. In contrast many women want men who have experience and confidence and knows what he's doing, but virtually no woman is willing to teach that to men, men are just supposed to gain that knowledge and confidence from the aether apparently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:57 PM |
| 1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Congratulations, you are the exception to the rule and your partner will be a lucky man. The other 98% of men likely won't find women who tolerate what they will perceive as emotional weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:55 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Feel free to ask men about their lived experiences with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:54 PM |
| -1 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Congratulations, you are the exception to the rule and your boyfriend is lucky. The other 98% of men likely won't find women who tolerate what they perceive as emotional weakness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:53 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.The problem is that both woman A and woman B say they like thing X, but what woman A means when she says she likes X is radically different from what woman B means when she says she likes X. And both are adamant they like the same thing and it's men's fault for not understanding them. It's like asking 10 feminists to define what the patriarchy is, and getting 12 different and often contradictory answers, but they're all adamant they're talking about the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:53 PM |
| 2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.Right, so if she wants everything and the opposite, and no man is ever good enough for her and she simply wants perfection, what then? At some point people need to accept that they CAN'T have it all, and living life means making concessions and compromises. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:51 PM |
| 0 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.I mean you're not wrong but the process of vetting is SIGNIFICANTLY easier for women. Most men can't get dates at all, so how are you supposed to vet for a partner when you can barely even GET a partner. I absolutely understand the "it's important to find a restaurant you like that serves food you enioy, because you don't want to go every week to the same place and hate it", but that advice is kind of useless when women can go to restaurants once a week and men only once every 6 months. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:50 PM |
| -2 | Men don't understand what women want because women have been sending mixed signals, not because men have poor understanding.The problem is that both woman A and woman B say they like thing X, but what woman A means when she says she likes X is radically different from what woman B means when she says she likes X. And both are adamant they like the same thing and it's men's fault for not understanding them. It's like asking 10 feminists to define what the patriarchy is, and getting 12 different and often contradictory answers, but they're all adamant they're talking about the same thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:48 PM |
| -1 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI mean you're not wrong, but there's a saying about asking the fisherman how to fish, not asking the fish themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:45 PM |
| 7 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenFunnily enough women do the exact same thing when they don't like what men tell them. It's almost like it's a human problem, not a male problem. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be called out, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking women aren't just as guilty of this as men are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 5 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenI'm actually curious to hear what that change was that could have started a shit show lol. I understand if you don't want to share and don't want to deal with the potential shit show, but if you are willing to DM me, again, I'm rather curious to know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:43 PM |
| 10 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWell yeah but didn't you know, even married men with kids suddenly become incels the moment they say something women don't like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:42 PM |
| 10 | Men should not be seeking dating advice from womenWhat do women find attractive?" Women: "Confidence, compatibility, humor, shared values, emotional intelligence, physical attraction, and a hundred other factors." Men: "No, you actually only care about height." At that point why ask women at all? You've already decided the answer. I mean it's not wrong, when those women want men who have confidence, compatibility, humor, shared values, emotional intelligence, physical attraction, and a hundred other factors and who are 6' tall. It's kind of dis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 09:38 PM |
| 3 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.If one person is a great communicator with clear goals that's usually enough. Well yes but then why is the burden placed on men again? Women can afford to be bad communicators and afford to not have clear goals, and it's fine because they guy will pick up the slack. Isn't that kind of implicitly admitting that men are better communicators? If we truly want equality, why are we infantilizing women, excusing poor behaviour in women, not holding women accountable, and saying it's fine if women aren… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 08:33 PM |
| 9 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Many women do do that. Significantly less than half of all women, but many women do indeed do that. Now we just have to convince more women to use their words, and maybe one day we'll reach a point where more than half of all women use their words like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:21 AM |
| 14 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.Imagine a woman telling a man what she prefer, using her words and asking rather than letting him guess where she wants to eat or making him guess whether she wants to be validated or she wants actual solutions. Imagine women are able to use their words and communicating like an equal adult rather than putting the entire burden on the man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:11 AM |
| 14 | If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it.How are you supposed to know when you can't tell ahead of time? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 04:10 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.See I agree that emotions are a good way to connect, and it is hurtful to want a connection and be denied it. It is hurtful to women when they try to make an emotional bid for cnnection and are met with a wall, and it is equally painful when men try to make an emotional bid for connection and are met with a wall. So many of these walls are due to the fact that men and women generally don't feel and express their emotions the same way. That doesn't mean women are wrong for doing it the way they d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 03:16 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Is there a particular video or particular point about any one of those videos you'd like to discuss? I'm sure there are some good points in those videos I would agree with, but I'm not really willing to watch 9 videos of 20+ minutes each. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:51 AM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.Fair enough. I don't know how exactly you would define "ugly people", there were a bunch of people some 5-10 years ago who looked at Jason Mamoa with a bit of a belly and called that a dad-bod, completely ignoring the fact Jason Mamoa was at the top 5% of men in shape at that time. So when you say "ugly" I don't know if you mean the man was genuinely a 3/10 ugly, or ugly because he wasn't an 8/10. Despite all that there are indeed some ugly people who do get into relationships, but that still do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:49 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I mean it benefits women in the short term and comes with trade offs, but women can just blame men for all of those trade offs and completely ignore their own responsibility and accountability for the consequences of their own choices and actions. It's really wonderful when nothing can ever be your fault! Per women and genuine options, they have access to the same number of genuine options as they've ever had. The problem is women don't want the genuine options, they want the top options. So the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:47 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I've literally been called a misogynist for sharing the stats that men and women both commit, and are victimized by domestic violence at similar rates. Well of course, you dared to say something negative about women, clearly the only reason anyone would ever say anything negative about women is because they're a misogynistic woman-hating incel you see! Meanwhile any woman who says anything hateful about men is totally justified because of her lived experience and women being oppressed by the pat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:43 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Funny how "women are always wrong" is sexist and misogynistic and hate speech, but "women are always right" is totaly correct and fine and good. So many double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:39 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.Why do you think most women are utterly unwilling to show empathy to men? Serious question, because I genuinely don’t think that’s true. Largely because of the gender empathy gap, and cultural conditioning where women believe themselves to be more fragile, more emotional, more deserving of protection, while the man needs to be strong and bold and assertive and the protector. People literally believe that when a man and a woman go through the exact same experience, that men suffer less. https://w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:38 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.but I think it's unrealistic for women to expect such drastic change from someone. I mean I agree, but apparently feminism and society in general believes that women are enetitled to demanding whatever they want from men, no matter how drastic the change, while men aren't entitled to demanding anything at all from women. Instead of encouraging people to understand one another, come to a middle ground, and figure things out, feminism just encourages women to flat out make demands and refuse to gi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:25 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I would ask of women the exact same thing they ask of men. To listen to men's lived experiences, to acknowledge and understand the issues men go through, and also to not immediately dismiss all of men's issues by saying essentially "well I'm not going to pity fuck men so I don't care and men can go fuck themselves". Meanwhile those women who don't care about men's issues or men's suicide or men being half the domestic abuse or men falling behind in education, DEMAND that men care about abortion,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/26 12:21 AM |
| – | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I mean I agree that men not receiving enough empathy is an argument for showing men more empathy. The problem is most women are utterly unwilling to show any empathy to men. So women should show more empathy, but they don't, while women constantly demand more empathy from men than women are ever willing to give TO men. So in response men give back to women he exact same amount of empathy they get from women, and all of a sudden that's a problem. I agree that showing less empathy is adding more t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 09:33 PM |
| 16 | If there is no obligations and nobody owes anyone anything. We should go fully, not picking and choosing. Men particularly, Need to simply be selfish and self serving, alot more.I would say that men should care about women’s problems AND women should care about men’s. Absolutely. The problem is, what happens when women don't care, but demand that men care? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 10:04 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.You haven't said men need to fix the patriarchy, but it is still the overwhelming message present in society. You also apparently ignored how I pointed out that women don't believe men's lived experiences, while simultaneously demanding men believe women's lived experiences. I would like everyone to meaningfully shun abusers. Not have them to family dinners, not hire them, speak up when you have information that can keep more people from getting hurt. I agree, that would be fantastic. The proble… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 06:02 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Oh yeah the problem is not the M&Ms, it's basically calling men toxic by using M&Ms that's the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 04:07 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.Just to know, how long ago was that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 04:06 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.I mean I agree that most women don't think men are actively lying about their reported experiences, but they still don't believe men. It's not even about being responsible to fix anything, it's just that when men report their own experiences, women basically think "there's no way men's lives are actually like that, that doesn't agree at all with what I believe men's lives are like". The "it's not my reponsibility to fix men's issues" is also often just a deflection away from actually thinking ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 03:31 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?But I think it can be easier to stay chill and calm and step outside heightened emotions a bit when talking about M&Ms or roller skates or whatever to analyze a dynamic, because it puts a little bit of distance between us and the analogy. I mean on the one hand yeah, but on the other hand the M&M analogy is pretty much saying "men are toxic, if you are a man you are toxic", so that one kinda breaks down a bit. I agree that it helps to have analogies if those analogies aren't immediately hateful … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:56 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.It is a stat for OLD, but more than half of all relationships start with OLD nowadays. If you see ugly and bald dudes in relationships, did they get into the relationship looking like that or did they become bald or ugly after being in a relationship? Starting relationships for guys has gotten tremendously more difficult since covid, so relationships that are 10+ years old kinda "don't count" as much. There's also the fact that just because a man finally got into a relationship, doesn't mean he … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:54 AM |
| 4 | Women are larping loneliness.Where I disagree is that even a man with nothing often thinks he should have some level of control over a woman. I mean I agree that this is wrong, but there are just as many women who think she should have some level of control over a man. Women just phrase it differently, but women are just as guilty of this as men are. It's called being human, but for some reason as a society we exclusively focus on men doing this, as though it's something most men are guilty of and that women are never guilt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:51 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You know that's fair, I probably read into your arguments something that wasn't there, sorry about that. I've been seeing far too many people make dishonest comments implying things without outright stating them that I read those into your comment too. Saying social norms influence behaviour isn’t the same thing as saying nobody is responsible for their behaviour. I agree, but for some reason the blame practically always falls at men's feet and practically never at women's feet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:37 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you but I guess my initial reaction is what preferences are you referencing that are considered toxic and misogynistic. Fair, and there's an easy way to tell, according to feminism and society. If a woman has preferences, it doesn't matter what they are, they're never toxic or misandrist. If a man has preferences, if any of those preferences in any way shape or form limit or affect women, then they're toxic and misogynistic by default. They don't phrase it th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:35 AM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean I agree with you, but I don't really understand how your comment relates to mine? It's nice that you see it that way, and I agree with you, but when a man does that and focuses on solving problems, feminism and feminists often somehow seen as the wrong way to do it or the wrong thing to focus on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:26 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.For example, the white women who voted for trump are recieving the same amount of heat if not more compared to the men who made the same decision. Could be but I'm not really seeing it. All I'm seeing are feminists constantly blaming men for electing Trump while completely ignoring and downplaying the fact that 44% of the people who voted for Trump are women. When I point out those statistics to the feminists who loudly blame men for electing Trump, all of a sudden they go silent, like either th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:25 AM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Haha well not every single one of them, but thanks, I try haha! Been arguing in these spaces for way too long honestly, I've seen just about every permutation of those arguments and how they weasel their way around logic, so I try and hit them hard and nail it by calling out those double standards and the lack of logic. For some reason, trying to be logically consistent and having moral integrity appears to be patriarchal and misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:05 AM |
| 1 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh I agree, but see the thing with men vs women is that generally when men communicate they try and convey information, and it is important for words to retain their meaning to allow effective communication. When women communicate it is often less about conveying information and is more about changing people's perception and feelings. It doesn't matter if words lose their weight and lose their meaning, because you can always come up with a new buzzword, a new comparison, a new expression. Langua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 02:02 AM |
| 3 | Women are larping loneliness.Well yes, men wish women hadn't such absurdly high superficial standards that they excluded 80% of the male population for something men can't control, like their height or looks. Because, as I said, if men did the same to women, that would be taken as proof of oppressive beauty standards and would be seen as misogynistic. That is the double standard. Men do wish women were less superficial, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:59 AM |
| 7 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?It's honestly amazing how many times I've seen women prove arguments about women right, in their very attempts to prove those arguments wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:56 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?. In a recent case, 4 boys were suspended from school for systematically rating the girls in their school. Now, find an example where girls systematically rated boys to degrade them like that. I don't see why 4 boys should be suspended for expressing their preferences about the girls in their school. Why are you dishonestly framing it like where it's boys doing it on purpose to degrade women? Pretty bad faith of you to frame it in the worst possible light like that. In contrast, here you go, a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:56 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?You are right that people aggressively don't care about the dating problems of men. There's a lot of attention being brought to the dating problems of women, as though women are uniquely penalized by it and that it's all men's fault. Men who struggle with dating tend to care about men's dating problems. Most other people just don't care at all. Well yeah, but there's still a huge difference in how society in general cares about women vs men. It's the gender empathy gap. https://www.psychologytod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:44 AM |
| 8 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I agree that comparing people to objects is kinda inherently dehumanizing, but there are ways to do it that are less distasteful than others. If it's done equally to both sides without being excessively harsh on one or the other, then it's more okay than just "men are like a bowl of skittles, some of them are poisoned, so it's better to throw them all in the trash" kind of thing, or even the whole "man vs bear" thing that happened. Funny how the equivalent for women would never have been tolerat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:43 AM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The problem is also that men generally spend a lot of their lives facing constant criticism and insults and grow a tougher skin for it. There's a joke that women compliment each other but don't mean it, while men insult each other but don't mean it. And there are a ton of women who come across something even just mildly critical or mildly negative, and take it extremely personally, and perceive it as hatred. Men generally face just as much hatred as women, it's just that most men are used to it,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:40 AM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.On the one hand it's naturally clear that women just aren't attracted to most men. But for some reason when it,s naturally clear that men are attracted to certain traits in women, that's toxic and misogynistic and imposing oppressive beauty standards. See I'm all for people pairing up with who they want, but we can't as a society constantly demonize men's preferences, and then turn around and say women's preferences are totally fine and good. Treating equality like a one-way street exclusively t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:38 AM |
| 10 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?When men harm women, they generally actually harm them And when women harm men, they generally actually harm men too. Women do it in a different way, doesn't mean they don't do it. For example, there are the high school girls who falsely accused a boy of rape just because they didn't like him. Women tend to use violence by proxy (getting others to attack for them) and reputation destruction. https://reason.com/2018/10/17/seneca-valley-mean-girls-false-sexual/ Women are just as strong and just as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/26 01:36 AM |
| 9 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Yes I do realize he is a man making that comparison, and I don't need to call out his misogyny because there's an army of feminists waiting and ready to jump down any man's throat who dares to say or think anything wrong. There doesn't need to be one more to speak up against misogyny because there's a legion already. In contrast there's nobody to stand up and point out misandry. Feminism is not entitled to infinite help, support, time, and effort from men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:59 PM |
| 6 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?I mean I'm not asking you to change anything and I agree that everyone ought to find the best partner (ie the most compatible person) that they can. What I'm pointing out are the double standards that exist in society. Mating has been and always will be competitive, but the double standard is that when the losers of that competition are men they're seen as acceptable casualties, but when the losers of that competition are women society sees that as misogynistic and unacceptable and a problem men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:57 PM |
| 16 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Thank you for the comment, I try and show a different perspective. Unfortunately, double standards and misandry positively abound in society and nobody cares because it is seen as perfectly acceptable. Misogyny was and is a problem and deserves to be addressed for sure, but by that exact same standard so does misandry. And yet the people who scream the loudest about how misogyny is a huge problem, are often the first in line to deny, erase, invalidate, and dismiss how misandry is a problem too. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 06:54 PM |
| 43 | Does anyone care that dating is better now for women?Now imagine the cries of "misogyny" you'd hear if men compared women to a sub optimal meal. For some reason as a society we see it as a problem if men choose a self serving option that harms women as an accidental by-product, but as a society we are totally fine if women choose a self serving option that harms men as an accidental by-product. It's a hugely hypocritical double standard. Either its fine for either gender to pick the selfish option even if it accidentally harms the other gender, or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/26 03:59 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.What do men think women don't understand? That there are far more men who lead absolutely shitty lives, worse than most average women, and that the men at the top they complain about represents a minuscule fraction of all men. Most people at the top of the social pyramid are men, but so are most people at the bottom, and there are far far far more people at the bottom of the pyramid than the top. Most women don't understand that the average man's lived experiences has far less privileges than th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:51 PM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.1) it is SIGNIFICANTLY safer for women than for men, because it is the socially acceptable and accepted norm for women to be emotional and weak and vulnerable. It's not perfectly and always safe for women, that is true, but women largely don't get dumped because they cry from something that happened to them. There are hundreds of stories of men opening up about their vulnerabilities and trauma and getting immediately dumped. You can't just hand-wave it away by saying "this happens to women too" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:37 PM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agreed with one part of your point, and then I pointed out you stopped just shy of the actual answer. You said patriarchy is responsible for enforcing gender roles. Except that the patriarchy is either made by and for men, in which case patriarchy is just blaming men, or the patriarchy is reinforced by women, but those women who reinforce the patriarchy have internalized misogyny, but those women have internalized misogyny because of men, so either way blaming the patriarchy is just blaming me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 11:23 PM |
| 2 | Women are larping loneliness.Ok cool but "this problem doesn't affect me so I'll treat it like it's not a problem at all for anyone" isn't a valid solution for any of women's problems or problems about racism, why should it be a valid solution to men's problems? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 10:00 PM |
| -2 | Women are larping loneliness.Do you have a source on those studies? Because if they don't define loneliness and just go by self reporting, then it would be the equivalent of someone who hasn't eaten in 10 hours and someone who hasn't eaten in 10 days both reporting that they feel "hungry", but clearly there is an important difference there. Self-reporting is not enough. It being coined as a male loneliness epidemic vs a general loneliness epidemic is just how society views men's feelings and loneliness as more important tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:54 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.They are though. Not all those insults and not every single time, but men absolutely get told there's something wrong with them if they think 80% of women are below average in terms of appearance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:07 PM |
| 1 | Women are larping loneliness.I mean you're not wrong, but how often do men get kicked in the balls versus women getting ovarian cysts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:06 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.A failure of imagination or empathy does not mean a thing doesn't exist. I mean I completely agree with this right here, but see Yeah, it's weird the amount of people here that are like "You are lying... because I can't imagine your problem is real." What you describe here happens all the time to men whenever they try to explain their issues and problems to the vast majority of women, because the vast majority of women don't have a cue what the average man's lived experience is like. As a societ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:04 PM |
| -3 | Women are larping loneliness.Yall don't believe we women can be lonely and expect us to listen to yall and have empathy. Of course women can be lonely. It's just there are far fewer lonely women than men and generally have far better social support nets. It's like saying someone is hungry, but are we talking "haven't eaten in 1p hours" hungry or are we talking "haven't eaten in 3 days" hungry? Because the overwhelming majority of people at the extreme end of the loneliness spectrum are all men. If you're not only refusing t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 06:05 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.Thank you for caring about and making efforts to understand men and men's issues. It is so incredibly rare, and it is always incredible to see it happen. As someone who is ACTUALLY a feminist it’s very frustrating cause it’s gotten to a point where whenever a woman tells me she’s a feminist I think “‘Okay, are you a dismantle the patriarchy kinda feminist? ‘Or a ‘I just want women to be the patriarchs kinda feminist’” Unfortunately, you are part of the small minority of "good" feminists, the oth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:57 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.Very true. And still true that it is still easier for women to find a good relationship, than it is for a man to find a bad relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:54 PM |
| – | Women are larping loneliness.But for some reason if men say they're not attracted to 80% of women they're called misogynistic, porn-brained, and that the oppressive male gaze is imposing unrealistic beauty standards. Odd double standard in society isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:53 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.And I "love" how somehow it's men's fault for actually responding to what they say rather than responding to what they meant to say, and then they say they don't expect men to be mind readers. And somehow all this is men's fault lol, and pointing out how women are bad communicators means men must be sexist and misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 05:47 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The pay gap disappears when you take into consideration experience, training, job title, overtime, and more. It is literally illegal to pay women less for the same work. But feminism keeps peddling the debunked pay gap because no matter how wrong it is, or how bad their statistics are by just pooling all women regardless of education, hours worked, experience, and comparing all women vs all men, they keep trotting out the same debunked statistics because it preserves the narrative of female oppr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 03:27 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.There's a difference between women and feminism. Women indeed do not care enough about men, largely while demanding men care endlessly about them. It's hypocritical and self serving but at least it's a kind of honest double standard based only in selfishness and indifference. Feminism on the other hand quite maliciously twists words, facts, and data to suit their needs in order to deliberately portray men in a horrible light, and twist words to attack, denigrate, insult, and/or blame men. Femini… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:24 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The thing is that today in the Western world there isn't a single right men have that women don't, and several rights and privileges that women do enjoy that men don't. So if in the Western world women have equal or better rights than men, why do we still need feminism? Why isn't feminism instead focusing entirely on the middle East and Africa and areas where women do not have the same rights? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:14 PM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Yes, feminism treats men as though men are defective women. Men don't express their emotions the way women do, so men are wrong. Men don't have the same feelings towards women as women do, so men are wrong. That's not what they explicitly say, but most of their actions are completely in line with the above. They treat men as though being a man and reacting like a man are defects that need to be fixed. They'd positively lose their shit if and when men have the same attitude towards women, saying … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 02:11 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I would expect a movement that claims to be about equality, to not treat equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. That's not equality, that's female supremacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/26 07:29 AM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Maybe there are some feminists out there that blame the patriarchy on men, and that is a simplistic view. Whether it is a simplistic view or not, it is the logical conclusion of most feminists out there who believe in internalized misogyny, even if they don't realize it. I think most feminist scholars would argue that the patriarchy is a system of oppression that benefits very few people I mean sure but that's not how 98% of all the other feminists use the term, and it's not the academics passin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 11:52 PM |
| 3 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Oh yeah then I agree lol. Gotta love how they say something, but what they mean is the opposite of what the words mean. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 10:34 PM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean emotional intelligence is a real thing, but just like emotional labour and clinical terms, feminism uses, abuses, and misuses those terms to weaponize the words against men for sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 06:29 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I agree that n'en being emotionally available is more of a better point, but the problem ia that according to feminism, "men being more emotionally available" means "men feeling and expressing their emotions exactly like women do any anything else is wrong and the fault of the patriarchy". This is how feminism treats men like emotionally defective women, instead of recognizing that men are not women and it is totally fine and good for men to be different from women. Feminism has a fantastic PR. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:16 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.The problem is when men do that, women say men are being sexist and misogynistic. Because women actively want to keep the parts of the patriarchy that benefits women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:14 PM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean I am trying not to be too realistic here, if I am they'll never believe us ;) And it's kinda worse, feminism gives a shit about men's emotions only in so far as it benefits women, so it will gladly manipulate men's emotions to men's detriment if it gives women even a minor benefit. Feminism not giving a shit about men's emotions would actually be an improvement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:12 PM |
| 2 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I hear you it is bleak, but there is more and more recognition that men aren't ok, so yeah it will take time but in say 10 years we should see some big changes in attitudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 05:07 PM |
| 4 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Ouch haha you and me both! I do have some hope, we are seeing things slowly shift and change, but it'll likely take another decade at least. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:35 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean it's feminism that started the oppression Olympics game, we're just paying by their rules. Not our fault if men can beat feminism at its own game. Explain to me how society protected these women. When it beat, tortured, arrested, and mocked them? Simple. The overwhelming majority of women were not beaten, torture, arrested, and mocked, and the overwhelming majority of all the people who were beaten, tortured, arrested, and mocked, were men. I agree that some some absolutely were beaten, t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:34 AM |
| 5 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You asked me why I asked if patriarchy was to blame for men being stronger. I gave you the reason. I am happy to hear that you don't think men and women are identical blank slates until socialization differentiates them, but if you recognize and acknowledge there are very real differences between men and women that are not due to socialization, why are you constantly and consistently ignoring that one reason that women don't like emotional vulnerability in men might be due to biology? I said exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:23 AM |
| 7 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.And men are valued as work horses, and if a work horse does not work it is worthless. In contrast a cow is seen as having inherent value since it can give both veals and milk, and so a cow is almost always seen as more valuable than a workhorse that cannot work. Women were treated as commodities just as much as men were. Would you rather be a coal miners who died of black lung, or a pregnant woman staying at home to care care of her kids? Neither were easy but all men didn't have lives of luxury… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:23 AM |
| 14 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I think feminists make a huge mistake talking about patriarchy as something people built or doing the "who created that system?" thing. Patriarchy developed as society developed, as we started passing down assets. There wasn't a plan or a secret meeting. I mean feminism took the Marxist class war of proletariat vs bourgeoisie and seizing the means of production, and recast it as though you can swap gender and class, and instead feminism has the gender war of women vs men and seizing the means of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 03:02 AM |
| 8 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I donate specifically to causes that help men and then one that help women. This is absolutely a good thing and I commend you for it! The problem is you are the exception, not the rule. Most women donate more to women's causes than men's causes and also demand men donate more to women's causes than men's causes. You are doing great and if more women in society were like you it would help immensely! The problem is that most women aren't like you. I know women's issues often involve children and I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:52 AM |
| 10 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Now we just need to say it loud and often enough to get the other 95% of women to recognize this. I am glad you are willing to stand up for men, hopefully this is the start of the change we need to see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:36 AM |
| 9 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Therapy is a field dominated by women perhaps, but psychology is not. lol https://www.statista.com/statistics/963476/percentage-of-women-among-psychologists-us/ Women make up 70% of psychologists in the US, and outnumber men in psychology in every country in Europe. Have you been broken up with for crying? I’d like to hear that story. I haven't but there are plenty of other stories out there. I broke up with my ex after a 7 year relationship that turned controlling, toxic, and abusive, except I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:34 AM |
| 12 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Because women and men are not identical blank slates until and unless society imposes gender roles on them, there are very relevant an very significant biological differences between the sexes, and we can't just pretend those very real biological differences don't exist or font matter. Asking if patriarchy is to blame for men being stronger than women points out how "the patriarchy" can't be blamed for obvious and real physical differences between the sexes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:11 AM |
| 10 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.No, men are the ones obsessed with women’s virtue. You’re just describing male ideas about femininity. It’s wrong, but it’s not an idea that came from women, it’s the patriarchal traditional expectation. I mean except for the fact feminism treats women like women are inherently more moral and emotionally more competent than men, while treating men like emotionally defective women who need to be fixed. It's a patriarchal traditional expectation, but feminism is quite glad to keep whichever of tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 02:07 AM |
| 13 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.This is not true. Women beg and plead for men to be emotional, act considerately, be honest and affectionate. And then when men DO open up there's a 50% chance they get dumped. That's kind of a big problem you're completely ignoring there. They drag them to therapy and social gatherings and romantic comedies and try so hard to get any emotional engagement from the men in their lives at all. Therapy based on female psyche and in a field dominated by women that often as not treats men like emotion… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:27 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Society didn't protect or help those women. It very much did. Privilege is invisible to those who benefit from it, and protection from harm is absolutely a privilege women enjoy far far more than men. I'm not saying women never faced any issues. I'm just saying whatever issues you believe that women faced, and they did, men faced 10x worse. It's not that women always had easy lives. It's just that as hard as women's lives were, men's lives were generally worse, because men were generally seen as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:23 AM |
| 9 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Do you think the patriarchy is to blame for the notion that men are physically stronger than women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:17 AM |
| 21 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I mean it would be nice if we could tell feminism that, because feminism absolutely sees it as wrong that men refuse to cry and focus on problem solving. Would be nice if we could get feminism to stop treating men like men are defective women that need to be fixed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:16 AM |
| 11 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Do you think the patriarchy is also to blame for the notion that men are physically stronger than women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:15 AM |
| 18 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.What do we call a system that teaches men they’re weak if they’re emotional and teaches women that emotional men are unattractive? We call that system "the female sex drive". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:12 AM |
| 31 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.Women are taught to see emotional vulnerability in men as less desirable. Remove "are taught to" and you nailed it. As a society we are busy telling men to open up emotionally to women without ever bothering to make it SAFE for men to open up and make themselves emotionally vulnerable with women. The people who punish emotional vulnerability in men the most are women, not men. And even if we blame "the patriarchy" for this, feminism is in no hurry to try and change this and tell women to do bett… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:10 AM |
| 20 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.I think you've listened to too many internet feminists to boil down patriarchy to "men". That's literally the logical consequence of the feminist beliefs, no matter how much flowery language they wrap it up in. Either the patriarchy was built by men or by women, and why would women ever build a system that oppresses them? Therefore the patriarchy is ultimately the fault of men, or the fault of the men who brainwashed women to work against their own best interests (internalized misogyny). It's no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 01:02 AM |
| 14 | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.So men are too busy but women won't help you with your problems? Correct. A few individual women who know the man and care about him might, but the overwhelming majority of women don't give a damn about men or men's issues, while demanding men care about the overwhelming majority of women and care about women's issues. Women are not too busy? We are ... just not willing to help? Correct. Women will say men face issues, but women face more issues, more serious issues, and more pressing issues, so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 12:59 AM |
| – | The "patriarchy" didn't teach men to hide their feelings. Life did.You're not wrong, but you missed the part where society cares 10x more about protecting and helping women than men. You're showing a perfect example of the lack of empathy endemic in how society views men. "Feminists went through all that suffering, so man up and go through the exact same suffering without any help, support, or empathy". You are proving OP right and your attitude is part of the problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/26 12:50 AM |
| 2 | Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not)Feminist are not the ruling power in any country. And yet feminism has a stranglehold on politics on the left. You cannot be a leftist politician and not be pro feminist it is literally political suicide to not be pro-feminism on the left. Feminism is very much the ruling power in the left in most countries. Men are not the ruling power. Some men have ruling power, but the most people who have no power at all are men. If men were the ones in power, men wouldn't be75% of the homeless people and 7… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/26 12:25 AM |
| 2 | Men and women do not live the same lifeYou know I think I completely misunderstood you, sorry about that! You wrote that the problem is that what is being described is not the experience of the average man. I misread that as "the problem is caused by the average man", as though the man is the problem, and is not the victim. Sorry about that! I can agree with you that what is described is not the experience of 50%+ of men, and is something that happens significantly more to below average men than to average men. I think the point was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Men and women do not live the same lifeEDIT: I has completely misread this comment, and read it as "the average man is the problem" and not "you are not describing the average man" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 03:58 PM |
| 6 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"The problem is that generally, "romantic love" is beautiful and wonderful for the woman, but it is a performance and an expense for men. Romance is almost entirely unidirectional in the woman's benefit, so why should we expect men to endlessly give of their time, money and effort and get very little in return? If romance provided some kind of benefit to men I'm sure men would love to be romantic a lot more, but as it stands romance is treated like it is and should be entirely to women's benefit … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:08 PM |
| 7 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"See it's not that we can't give each other what the other truly desires in an honest way. I think we absolutely can do that in an honest way. We can't get it perfectly right and we can't all get exactly what we want in precisely the perfect way we want it, but we can and should honestly make an effort to make one another happy. I disagree with the "women should give men sex as much as he wants, it's her duty no matter what", but the above is the exact same attitude but gender flipped, it's "men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/26 01:01 PM |
| 26 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"Women care about the behavior they aren’t splitting hairs over a man who acts chivalrous and a man who feels chivalrous. So those women don't care how those men feel so long as the woman gets the behaviour she wants out of him. And somehow this is good??? If you want women to do an action( sex whatever) despite how they are feeling then say that And when men say that they're called misogynistic women hating incels and they're not entitled to women's bodies, if they want women to have sex then th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 06:16 PM |
| 27 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"I mean sure men don't desire to be romantic like that. They just don't. So what do women want men to do? Do women want men to pretend to be romantic and act chivalrous anyways? Is this just an unrealistic expectation women have? It's an odd double standard in society, that we believe women are perfect as they are and they don't need to do anything for men, but that men constantly need to improve and do better for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 12:30 PM |
| 16 | Is an average woman dating an average man considered "settling?"Men are just not very resilient and they have a victim mentality. Can you imagine a man saying this about women who write that they want to kill themselves, that women are just not very resilient and that women have a victim mentality? The lack of empathy is staggering. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/26 12:27 PM |
| 3 | You can't effectively fight feminism without harming interests of womenSo essentially, if you want to fight against feminism, you need to make them more trouble then they are worth for women. You had me right up until this bit So you need to fight directly against women's rights. Like abortion, birth control etc. in retaliation for feminists working against mens interests. And then you lost me. It does not follow that you need to fight against women's rights. You shouldn't fight against women's rights. It's a losing proposition. It's not even necessary. You can jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/26 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Why are other Male Subs so Misogynistic?The study you cited doesn't say men are half of all rape victims. Fair, it says men were half of all rape victims in 2011. So either a bunch of women all decided to go out and rape a bunch of men in 2011 and then suddenly stopped the year after, or there are far more male rape victims than most people are comfortable recognizing. an estimated 19.3% of women (or >23 million women) have been raped during their lifetimes (Table 1 Lifetime data is kind of unreliable, because it relies on the long te… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/06/26 02:01 AM |
| 15 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.I literally said men who go their own way as such “claim” to be incels That's not what incel means. Incel is litearlly "involuntary celibate", if someone is going their own way it is voluntary. If anything they would claim to be volcels, not incels. because they cannot get sex thus are forced to MGTOW I mean there are men who go MGTOW as a way to basically say "you can't fire me I quit" but there are quite a few men who also quit BECAUSE they have been with a lot of women, and most of those wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 11:01 PM |
| 19 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Funny that because when men do go their own way they're called misogynistic and toxic and sexist and they need to be shut down. Odd game of "heads she wins, tails he loses", men can't win no matter what they do, except the only way for men to win is to do what women tell men to do. Funny that the reverse would never be accepted in society, but having women tell men what to do is not just acepted but heavily encouraged. Odd double standard. We are telling these men we do not want them and yet the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 10:59 PM |
| 8 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.I, in fact, earned more than my husband, by a significant amount our entire marriage (35+ years), in fact he did a SAHD gig, twice; pragmatically, it made more sense for him to stay at home while I went back to work in 2 out of my 4 pregnancies less than a week after giving birth. Also he retired early, at 56, 7 years ago. I retired early, at 57, 2 years ago. He is also only, as he jokes, "5’ 8" in high heels". I am 5’6" for reference. And that is a valid data point in a way. Studies show that w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 10:56 PM |
| 7 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Women is my orbit do not speak about money/provider/height and the myriad of other projections from men. How many of them are partnered with men who are poorer, shorter, and have less prestigious/ambitious jobs or jobs that have a lower career growth? It's easy to talk the talk, that's why you have to watch what people do, not what they say. And overwhelmingly, women find men who are taller and richer to be more attractive than men who are shorter and poorer, all else being equal. Don't blame me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 09:12 PM |
| 11 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.Most modern working men I know are ALSO working full time jobs (and far more men than women wkek overtime and travel longer distances to work) to support their wives with the ever increasing cost of living, while juggling domestic work and having/raising children as well. Welcome to equality. This is what women asked for. For some reason you seem to be looking at all the efforts women do as a herculean task, while completely ignoring and dismissing all the efforts men do. Treating equality like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 09:07 PM |
| 18 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.So you're saying men have to do all these things to now "earn" women's love. What do women have to do in return for the man? How come women get all the benefits and don't have to change one bit, while men have to do all the work and change for women but receive no benefits? Surely you can see how that's a horribly one-sided deal? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 08:58 PM |
| 16 | If we are going to save modern dating, men need to experience an ego death in mass.And yet women basically use it as an insult to dismiss men and get them to shut up. For example, by calling a married man with kids an incel simply because she doesn't like or agree with what he's saying. Incel used to be more of a self identifying thing, now it's an insult thrown around by women so easily and frequently it just basically becomes "I'll call anyone who I disagree with an incel as a way to shake and dismiss them and what they say". That's not men's fault. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/26 08:56 PM |
| 5 | I noticed that many people are performative progressivesThat said, if you want my queer woman perspective, the “tomboys” men say they have no problem dating aren’t really masc at all—they have long/feminine hair, high voices, feminine mannerisms, shave in all the “woman” places, and wear exclusively women’s clothes. Theyre just regular feminine women with “boy” interests, Well yeah? When guys want to date tomboys, they don't want to date another guy. If they did they'd be gay. A tomboy is pretty much a woman (preferably attractive because duh) who sh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/26 05:51 AM |
| 2 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.I mean I understand that, and dating apps are based on pretty much looks above all else, but even finding a guy who is witty, kind, intelligent, and humorous is still top 40%. And what you find witty and kind may be completely different from what another woman might find witty and kind. The other problem is that for men, asking women out is difficult and risky, courting women is time consuming and expensive, and more often than not it leads to not having a match. If men are supposed to front loa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/26 01:37 AM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I was being a bit cheeky and matching your energy ;) I do enjoy some good banter haha. FWIW you have changed my mind about who I thought you were, there are a lot of women on here who genuinely are hateful of men and don't want to think or engage beyond just hating men. You did engage in conversation and showed far more than what I had seen at first, and have shown a willingness and ability to engage in good conversation. I wouldn't hate it if we happened to poke fun at each other once in a whil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 02:56 AM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I'mnot saying I know everything, I'm just saying that what you choose to say does reflect on what you believe and who you are to a degree. What you say is up to you. Per matching the energy of men, I have no problem if you match energy with the men who do say "men are lonely, women should be forced to fuck me" by all means go off on them. Just don't go off on other unrelated men who aren't complaining about not having enough sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 02:32 AM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I'm happy to hear you are a shoulder to cry on for the men in your life, but I kinda doubt that because I haven't seen you display anything like that on here, and seen you frequently display the complete opposite of the "shoulder to cry on" attitude. What do I do? Listen to the men in my life. Donate to causes that support men's mental health, men on death row, and affordable housing causes. Vote for candidates that support access to mental health, affordable housing, and prison reform. All thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 01:36 AM |
| 2 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalThank you for calling out other feminists. You're among the less than 5% of feminists I've talked to who admit to doing that. Agree you're not in charge, but neither are men in charge of locker room talk ;) We can't fix it all, but if we all try and make our little corner of the world better, it would help out. Completely agree that there will always be a small minority who take it to extremes. The problem is that this small minority has kinda taken over a lot of feminism and is pulling hard on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/26 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I don't see where you asked for examples of problems, was it long ago in past messages or are you confusing this reply with someone else? I'd gladly give you some examples if you want. One problem is that men's issues get constantly dismissed and ignored. Not just lack of sex, but lack of friendship, lack of emotional and physical intimacy, how society is in general hostile to men, how men's feelings are still largely I validated an seen as not serious and not worth addressing, and how there are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 08:26 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”And you bring up dating and sex when it is not relevant, to dismiss and derail other actually serious issues and conversations. You are more interested in dismissing dating and sex struggles than caring about men. That's my point, and thanks for proving it for me. You don't see my actions. You see comments this sub, a debate sub about dating & gender dynamics. I see your actions here on this sub and the choices you make, like bringing up sex and dating issues put of context to derail and dismiss… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”You say while you dismiss men's issues and insult men on here. Actions speak louder than words. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 06:58 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Well see it's clear to you from my comments, because you don't agree with me, so you think I must be wrong. You don't seem to care to engage with any of my arguments, instead of just pretending none of men's issues matter while demanding men care more about women's issues. It's clear to you because you don't care about the truth, you just care to have men agree with what you feel. Yes, I can describe those problems, and I can do you one better. I can give women the solution that will eliminate t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh no I very much do. Just because I don't agree with everything you say, doesn't mean I don't understand. You telling me I don't understand feminism feels a bit like a creationist telling me I don't understand evolution, or else I would be a creationist like them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:04 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”So, you either agree with us and understand how scary men are and thus are by default a feminist Well that's fallacious right off the bad, I don't need to be a feminist by default, one can be egalitarian without being feminist. So given your first sentence is kinda fallacious at best or manipulative at worst, we're not off to a great start. Or you don't agree we have the right to find men who are strangers scary and thus shouldn't have any issues standing up against men. I have no issues with wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 04:31 PM |
| 5 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I literally gender flipped your words and repeated them back at you. I know you don't believe that at all, I'm just pointing out how crazy you sound. I'm just holding up a mirror. If you don't like what you see in it that's not my fault. You're the one who started with fanfiction, don't get upset when I call you out on it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 04:21 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Y'all act like women don't have agency. Why on earth should women care or help men who aren't having sex as frequently as those men wish? Why is that women's problem to solve? Never said anything about sex, why do you keep ignoring all the other valid problems and keep bringing it back to sex? Do you understand what feminism is? Because it doesn't sound like it. If I call myself a pacifist, but I punch everyone in the face who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? I see the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:45 PM |
| 6 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Right, saying men ain't shit, men are rapists and abusers, and constantly erasing and dismissing male rape victims and male abuse victims, isn't throwing men under the bus. You keep telling yourself that. Y'all at just making up stories and expecting us to believe nonsense. Ohey look at that when men say women are making up stories and women expect men to believe nonsense, men are told to #believewomen and to believe women's lived experiences. But the moment women say men are making up stories a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:41 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Well see if we agree that it is right to be afraid of men who are strangers, then feminists have no right to demand men face that risk when women won't. So either women don't need to be terrified of strange men and the risk is far lower than they believe it to be, or they are right to be afraid and the risk is really that high, and they have no right to demand men be their protectors and providers and fulfill traditional gender roles to benefit women. So which is it? Can't have it both ways. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:38 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”How did you jump to "men have no agency"? I have no idea how you got there. And yes, women will largely refuse to date or have sex with a man she's not interested in. And women will also apparently refuse to care about, have any empathy or sympathy for, or help men, while demanding men have endless empathy and sympathy for women and endlessly bend over backwards to help women. Not asking women to fuck random men, but you do understand that treating equality like a one way adtreet exclusively to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:06 PM |
| 5 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Right, so what do you think is a more reasonable number of men we're willing to throw under the bus to get at the one problematic dude? 10? 50? 100? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”That's because standing up to other men poses a risk to the man. It's asking a man puts himself in danger for the sake of women, while completely ignoring the danger that man faces, and telling him he's not entitled to any recognition or reward for facing those risks, because it is simply "the right thing to do". I am being hugely hyperbolic here or course, but imagine telling men that they should go to war because its the right thing to do, but that they're not entitled to any extra pay, recogn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I don't think intersectionaliry was bastardized. Intersectionaliry is inherently based on a hierarchy of axes of oppression, and intersectionaliry inherently assumes that being male, white, and straight can never be an axis of oppression and must always be seen as a privilege. When the SJW's grabbed the term and ran with it, they just fully explored the logical conclusions that were inherently baked into the premises of intersectionaliry. Academics isn't devoid of these problems they are the sou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:51 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Standing up for yourself as a man means standing up to feminism, and standing up to feminism means you must be a misogynist by default. Standing up against men isn't misogynistic if it's standing up against men for the benefit of women, but the moment a man stands up for himself and for other men in any way feminism doesn't approve of that is immediately reinforcing the patriarchy or toxic masculinity or a half dozen other labels feminism has for men who don't toe the line. It's funny how men st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:31 PM |
| 4 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Should I ask you to name every single man who has ever been sexist to you, and if you can't name them then it must mean sexism isn't a problem? I can't give you the names and academic credentials of every feminist I have talked to, but I can give you some problematic quotes and examples from important feminist figures and feminists in charge of important programs. There is Clementine Ford who said covid isn't killing men fast enough. There is Sally Miller Gearhart saying men must be reduced to 1… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:25 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”I mean the "men as a class" meme needs to die in the first place because men are NOT a class. It's basically feminism copying Marxism, but substituting the class struggle of the bourgeoisie vs the proletariat and seizing the means of production, with the gender struggle of women vs men and seizing the means of REproduction. Sounds neat, but treating gender as a class fails and falls apart under any close scrutiny and yet feminism has been propping up that Frankensteinesque concept for decades. B… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh yeah completely agree, it is violence by proxy. It's kind of funny how feminism and women who claim to be so afraid of violence and who claim to dislike violence so much, are so eager to turn to violence by proxy and get men to be violent on their behalf and get men to deal with and solve women and feminists problems for them. And then when men ask for women's help to deal with men's problems, the same way women demand men help women with women's problem, then the women turn around and say th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:47 PM |
| 2 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”My issue is this. If these people are really that much of a danger to you and other men, why wouldn't yall stand up for yourselves as well? Because men standing up for themselves is seen as sexist and misogynistic and oppressing women. So you don't stand up for yourself and you get endless shit from feminism for being part of the problem and not doing enough, and if you do stand up for yourself you're proof of toxic masculinity and you're sexist and misogynistic and you're not doing enough to he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:22 PM |
| 6 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Oh I completely agree, throwing 200 men under the bus to get at the one problematic guy is totally acceptable, because male victims don't real you see, men have all the power and privilege anyways so it doesn't really hurt men, and if a man feels hurt by this then clearly it's his fault and he must be part of the problem, and men have oppressed women for thousands of years so payback is justified anyways. It's funny how closely that mentality matches up with the narcissists prayer. That didn't h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:16 PM |
| 3 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Blame the feminists, I came to these conclusions by talking with them and looking at the difference between their words and their actions. If I call myself a pacifist but I punch in the face everyone who disagrees with me, will you believe my words or my actions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:10 PM |
| 4 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”You tell me then, who set up the patriarchy? I have talked to people. I saw the difference between how they define the patriarchy, vs how the term is actually used. It's like saying I call myself a pacifist, but that I punch in the face anyone who disagrees with me. Will you believe my words or my actions? You're too online. The pipeline already has it claws in you. Ironically that pipeline came about from talking with feminists. It's like when the left calls it the alt right pipeline that is su… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:09 PM |
| 9 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”The problem with the patriarchy is that it is unfalsifiable, it is everywhere and nowhere, it is responsible for everything and it's opposite, and we can never truly know when we've left it behind, precisely because it can never be defined. In as much as feminism uses the term patriarchy it is unscientific and unfalsifiable, and in as much as sociology uses the term patriarchy it has nothing to do with the feminist concept of it. Saying that men are hurt by the patriarchy is problematic, because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:40 AM |
| 7 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”Funny you should say that because men are significantly less likely to hit random women than to hit random men, so random men are far more at risk of violence from other random men. And yet somehow that's never taken into account when women demand men put themselves in danger to the benefit of women, while women largely refuse to do anything for the benefit of men. Bit of a double standard isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:30 AM |
| 8 | Progressives/feminists are more than happy to wield the toxic parts of patriarchy when telling “good men” to stand up to “locker room talk”For some reason women demand and expect men to bend over backwards to make the world a better place for women, but the moment men ask for help, women turn around and say men aren't entitled to an ounce of empathy, sympathy, or help from women. I'm all for equality and making the world a better place. The problem is most women and feminism seem to treat equality like a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women, and often at the expense of men. There's doing the right thing, and then ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 05:29 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalOh shoot sorry, I didn't notice! They do, of course, but so do all other people at some point. Tribalism is like that. That’s why we are supposed to use our big wrinkly brains to compensate for our baser inclinations. Completely agree. There's a huge tribalism problem within feminism, with people actively encouraged to post shit like "white people start genocides" and that kind of shit does not get called out from within feminist circles. Agree we ned to use our big wrinkly brains to compensate … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 02:55 AM |
| 3 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalIf you control for the variables of poverty and discrimination, denial of education, denial of basic human rights, a legacy of violence and the systematic destruction of culture, (all of which are the legacy of the slave trade and attempts to destroy First Nations peoples), the statistics magically even out. Weird, huh? Cool, so statistically it evens out, so statistically if black people were in the same position as white people, they'd likely have done the same thing. So it has nothing to do w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:17 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalWomen aren’t voting to actively castrate men, And men aren't voting to castrate or sterilize women either, I'm glad we agree! it’s a handful of morons on social media. The problem is that this handful of morons are in fact heads of academia who claim that "Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:15 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalYou're the one who blamed white people by saying white people started genocide after genocide. The newborn baby is a white person, so by your own logic and your own statements the newborn white baby is also responsible for starting genocide after genocide. Exploiting that privilege and continuing to perpetuate it at the expense of others once he is an adult and responsible for his own choices does make him complicit. Ah cool, so now we have gone from "white people are guilty by association simpl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 01:07 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalBlack people commit crimes AS WELL AS* white people. You make it sound like all crimes are caused by black people. The thing you are ignoring is that black people in America are committing disproportionately more crimes than white people. We can talk about why that is, whether it's poverty or oppression or whatever, but you can't argue against the fsct that black people commit significantly more crimes than white people proportionally. Also no black person has ordered the annihilation of people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/26 12:48 AM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalEeh, when the group members "sin" they get excommunicated and get called "not a real feminist", retroactively erasing their past membership and retroactively removing the in group protection. Feminists generally don't judge feminists on their in group, they cast them into the out group first to justify the judgement. Much as they like to complain about men, women tend to be far more tribalistic than men in this sense, and once someone in the in group has sinned and is part of the out group, then… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 10:42 PM |
| – | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalDid the baby boy born last week commit crimes? Is the week old baby boy guilty and morally responsive for genocides and world wars? I'm just pointing out the conclusion of your own logic to you. I'm just holding up a mirror. It's not my fault you don't like what you see in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 10:38 PM |
| 14 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalSo you think that a baby boy born last week is guilty and morally responsible for genocides and world wars, just because he's white and male? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 05:54 PM |
| 5 | "Liberal feminism" subsidizes extremism, claiming that feminism wants equality is fraudulent, and if you associate all men with violence, you are hypocriticalThey don't forget it, they only apply it against the groups they don't like or aren't a part of. When it's bad apples within their own group all of a sudden its not a problem and they use the exact same excuses they claim are invalid when the other groups use them. If all cops are basterds because a few are rotten, then so are all feminists hypocrites because a few are. The answer should always be "yes we need to call out and hold accountable the people who do wrong" but tribalism gets in the wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 05:53 PM |
| 3 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.It's been my experience that half the leftist women have deconstructed it, and the other half have used leftist ideas to rationalize the gender roles they want to impose on men and reinforce it. How many feminists agreed with the notion that men profited from women for so long that its only right men pay for dates? That men earn more so they should pay? That it's akin to reparations? It's certainly not all leftist women, but that kind of double standard is absolutely rampant in leftist circles a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 03:52 PM |
| 0 | Women have ruined cold approachingYou've misrepresented the statistic first. You went from a general fear of women getting murdered, to applying it to a specific situation of women getting murdered because they stand up to a man who cold approached her. I went from a general notion that men are 4x more likely to get murdered than women, to applying it to the specific situation where the man who cold approached her is 4x more likely to get murdered than the woman he cold approaches. If the latter is a misrepresentation of statist… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 07:04 AM |
| 10 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.Fair, top 30%. So what are the other 70% supposed to do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 07:02 AM |
| 5 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.Any woman who uses the word “provision” when talking about a man is conservative The problem is that many women don't use that word specifically but absolutely have conservative expectations for men's role, while refusing to fulfill conservative expectations for women's role. A ton of feminists still expect men to pay on dates for example. conservative women usually don’t really like men. They think of men as spiritually and morally beneath them, like dogs Ironically, in my experience that descr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 07:00 AM |
| 10 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.I mean yes but what are the other 90% of men supposed to do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 06:56 AM |
| 1 | If women treat sex as a reward, men should treat his money as a reward.No he's saying that his money should be the reward for her good behaviour, so if she's not behaving well she's not entitled to his money, the same way if he's not behaving well he's not entitled to sex. It's not hiring a mommy as in paying for a service, it's that if she doesn't provide the service and act "right" then she's not deserving of any of his money. Kinda funny that you recognize it's a fucked up standard if men were to apply it to women, but you seem totally fine with women applying t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 06:56 AM |
| 0 | Women have ruined cold approachingWell yes, but that doesn't mean it's invalid. After all, if you think it's general statistics that women get killed by men, then you're making the same mistake by applying general population statistics to one specific situation and saying a woman might get murdered for debating or rejecting a man who cold approaches her. So either it is valid in both cases, or it isn't valid for either of us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 06:53 AM |
| 1 | Women have ruined cold approachingWhich part is not true, that men are 4x more likely to get murdered? Not true that fearmongering doesn't help? Not true that people who want you to be afraid are not your friends? I mean I can't stop you from clinging to your fear and clinging to a delusion of persecution, but that's not really healthy and you should probably stop doing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 06:42 AM |
| 2 | Women have ruined cold approachingAnd yet as a woman you are 4x less likely to get murdered than the man who is cold approaching you. We have to stop this catastrophizing and fear-mongering. Making women terrified of being murdered for daring to stand up to a man in public helps nobody. It's just as unrealistic as men being terrified of being falsely accused of rape. People who want you to be afraid are not your friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 04:26 AM |
| 2 | Women have ruined cold approachingI mean you can but debating them doesn't mean they'll do what you want. I do agree that cold approaching where someone can't walk away is not a cool move at all. Per being annoying and not wanting to escalate the situation, I mean you can be annoying to the guy, he earned it, and you can escalate it or just tell him to fuck off and ignore him completely. I absolutely agree that it's certainly not cool and it absolutely should change. But changing the problem means we need to understand it and ta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 12:21 AM |
| 4 | Women have ruined cold approachingI actually kind of enjoy debating them and seeing how quickly I can throw them off the script. I used to argue religion and philosophy in university. I also frequently get basically evangelical feminist emails at my work email. In contrast I hope you will be able to empathize with people whose opinion differs from yours. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/26 12:00 AM |
| 2 | Women have ruined cold approachingIt's called existing in public. Nobody is entitled to having nobody approach them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/26 05:31 PM |
| – | I genuinely think men’s preferences and standards are shamedBut to simply say "I want other people to change so I don't have to and I'm upset about it" that's whining. Very fair, but why does "where have all the good men gone" whining get applauded and validated, while "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" gets shouted down and dismissed? I hear you on whining VS venting, but again, women whining about men gets significant support while men whining about women gets called misogynistic and gets shut down. I understand and agree with your definition but that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/26 01:03 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI mean I agree, false equivalencies does make everyone less sympathetic because it's inherently dishonest and manipulative. I don't think I've made a single false equivalency, while pointing out many false equivalencies made against men by feminism. Often it's those falsequivalencies made by feminism against men that makes people far less sympathetic to men, due to dishonest manipulation. A popular feminist false equivalency is the one of the one in ten poisoned M&M's for example, implying both … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/26 01:15 AM |
| – | Men and Women Often Fear Opposite Forms of RejectionNot just that they don't get access, but that women then get upset at him and demand that he makes it up to her and even if he does he s still not "rewarded" with any of the benefits of friendship, it's a "make it up to me, always and forever, or else you lose the chance that maybe potentially in the future you might get something that you want". Demanding he does everything for her wants and desires and appease her, while his wants and desires are not only unfulfilled but get deemed unimportant… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/26 05:57 PM |
| – | Men and Women Often Fear Opposite Forms of RejectionI agree with you. The problem is women often punish the men who are honest with her. If we want men to be honest and open and vulnerable, then women have to be accepting of men being honest and open and vulnerable. We can't expect men to be honest and open and vulnerable with women, then for women to punish men for being open, honest, and vulnerable, and expect those men to continue being open and honest and vulnerable despite the continuous punishment. There's an odd double standard where women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/26 03:53 PM |
| 3 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolHere is what an objective machine had to say about your arguments. For the record AI is only as objective as the data it was trained on. As the IT saying goes, garbage in, garbage out. This does mean that if a machine was trained on pro-feminist anti-male material, then that bias in the training data is going to come through in biased output as well. Just saying. You also don't need to address all of the arguments I make below one by one, feel free to only address the ones you want or the genera… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 03:19 AM |
| 4 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI mean I can take a chill pill, all I'm asking for is recognition that men face serious issues, often just as much as women do, and that male victims also deserve help and support just as much as female victims. I don't see how that is a circular argument. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:53 AM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI agree with you that it is hard for people to empathize with experiences they haven,t had. For some reason society expects men to try and succeed and give endless empathy to women's lived experiences, but most women don't care to give empathy to men's lived experiences, and that is when women are not actively hostile to men's lived experiences that go against women's preconceived notions of what men's lived experiences are "supposed" to be like, according to feminism. I am very sorry to hear th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:46 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolFeminism came about because women didn't have the right to vote, or even have their own bank account. Fair enough, but now women have both, and yet feminism is still around constantly pushing for more for women, while constantly erasing, invalidating, and dismissing men's issues and male victims. Feminism may have started with the best of intentions, but as it now stands, feminism treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit, and that's not really equality at all now is i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:29 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWell yeah, but that doesn't help when there's a ton of people who are determined to dump a cesspool around you, no matter where you go, just because you happened to be born a man. You can ignore them and walk away from them, but they'll keep dumping a cesspool on your head, while calling you toxic and misogynistic and violent for daring to speak back at them while they dump a cesspool on you. So then what? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:13 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI've been in these kinds of debates for too long, it helps to be able to spot the double standards and hypocrisy that pops up over and over and over again, no matter how well camouflaged it is with bullshit language. It's so tiring to see the same bullshit over and over and over again, I'm just going to bluntly call it out and point it out now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:11 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolIt's really sad that disrespect and cruelty have become wildly normalized, especially online. Unfortunately disrespect and cruelty towards men has kind of been part of feminism since the very beginning. Erin Pizzey opened the first ever shelter for women victim of domestic abuse in London in 1971, and was rightfully praised as a champion for it. The problem is that a few years later she rightfully asserted that much of domestic abuse was reciprocal, and that women were just as likely to be viole… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 02:10 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolAnd hey it sounds like you have great friends. They continue to dare and give men chances, the men they choose. Most women don't wish to hurt men in general, just don't care about men in general. My lived experience is that women generally have no idea what men's issues are and generally aren't receptive to learning, because it goes against the constant feminist narrative that women have all the issues and men have none. If women did care about men's issues half as much as they cared about women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 01:59 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThanks, I try! And yeah I don't wish the backswing to hit reasonable women either, but that's kind of the thing with these wide-sweeping changes, innocent people get caught up in it when they're part of the group that has benefited from the privilege for so long. If they don't want to get hit by the backswing they have to get out of the way of it by distancing themselves from the unreasonable women who have earned that backswing, but most women won't because they don't even know they have to, an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 01:56 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWhat do you think might be driving those statistics and attitudes? Could it be that those women have been harmed emotionally or sexually by men, sometimes by respected elders, even their own fathers. Right, the 7% of men under 30 in the UK who have a very negative view of women are generalizing and blaming innocent women for the few bad apples, every one of those women-hating men are horrible misogynistic woman-hating incels. On the other hand the 21% of women under 30 in the UK who have a very … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 01:41 AM |
| – | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWomen don't want to make things worse for the men they know and care about. The other 90% of men? Most women don't give a shit. After all, men are rapists and abusers and have all the power and privilege right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/26 12:27 AM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolDepends on the workplace you are right, construction fields wouldn't work like that, but I doubt yelling would be tolerated in white collar jobs and offices. I agree there is no protection against co-workers being assholes, but there is legal protection against harassment. Its just the definition of harassment does not include or look at the more female coded social isolation and reputation destruction kind of harassment. Doing so would help both men and women against female harrassers who use s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolTypically more overt and physically obvious ones, aimed directly at the person they're mad at. Anything from yelling, insults, pushing, etc, directed at the person they're mad at. Female expressions of anger can I coude yelling and insults, but more often than not does not involve directly confronting the person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolFair maybe I shouldn't have meant prosecution, but there definitely are consequences for sexist and racist behaviour in the workplace. We have criminalized/punished excessive male expressions of aggression, why shouldn't we do the same with female expressions of aggression? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThe thing with laws is that we can change them to make them better. Something not being currently legally enforceable isn't really much of an argument. The difficulty lies in proving that this is happening. After all as a society we are already making lots of efforts against sexism and racism and how excluding people is bad. Now we just need to expand that definition just a bit, and recognizing that maliciously excluding someone isn't less wrong just because it's not done due to racism or sexism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 04:45 PM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThere's a difference between choosing to personally not associate with someone, and making it so the entire group excludes one person behind that person's back. The former is fine, the latter is not. So if a group of coworkers goes out to lunch is that a violation on its own if they don't invite everyone? Are workplace friendships no longer allowed? Are they trying to make it so that other people also specifically exclude one person so that this person finds themselves isolated and alienated fro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 03:58 PM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolGood question on how to police social exclusion, but surely research into it and raising awareness of it will certainly help better than just ignoring it and pretending it isn't a problem. If men are socially excluding other men is that harassment too? Yes but men are generally more direct, while women tend to turn to social exclusion and reputation destruction rather than direct confrontation. Not saying its not harassment when men do social exclusion but men won't be the majority of perpetrato… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 03:32 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWe should take harassment of everyone equally seriously, and to get there that does mean taking harassment of men more seriously than it currently is. It also means not just looking at how women get harassed and ignoring harassment men face, so we have to look into the ways men might be harassed that women aren't, rather than just assuming the only methods of harassment are the ones that affect women. Some example of male harassment by women might look more like social exclusion, social sabotage… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 02:56 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolNo, I am not saying that. I generally try to mean what I say and say what I mean. It is not only men that commit sexual harassment, but that does not change the fact that feminism largely has a stranglehold on he departments, and that HR departments tend to take offences against women more seriously than offences against men, largely because female victims are taken far more seriously in society and are more likely to win lawsuits alleging sexual harassment than men suing for sexual harassment. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 02:33 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWell yes, but the part that is annoyed by men's behaviour largely has control of HR departments, has a stranglehold on virtually all universities in the West, has a stranglehold on half the politicians in the West and arguably most of the politicians in Europe, and has an office in the UN dedicated to listening to and addressing that part of society annoyed by men's behaviour. Meanwhile the part that dislikes women's behaviour is largely disorganized, does not hand a multi billion dollar interna… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 01:28 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWould be, if society wasn't so hell-bent on telling men they're horrible misogynistic woman-hating incels for daring to ask women out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 05:37 AM |
| 1 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI agree that it's not hate to not want to be bothered by strangers. The problem is that it isn't a right either. If someone doesn't want to be bothered by strangers, then one ought to stay home and never go out in public spaces. If one goes out in public spaces, then one might be bothered by strangers whether one likes it or not. Often it's anxiety of not feeling comfortable saying no so you prefer they never approach to begin with. And that's the problem of the anxious person, it's not everyone… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/26 02:12 AM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolIt's not that wanting to not be approached by men is hate. It's that men do something women don't like it is hate and a problem and society needs to bend over backwards to fix the issue, but when it's that women do something men don't like then men just gotta grow a tougher skin and deal with it. It's a pretty big double standard. When people approach you in the street asking for something and you don't say yes does that mean you hate them? No, but for some reason men not approaching women, not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 11:35 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolHalf the time, as in young women are asking young men out as often as the other way around? Are you in Europe by any chance? even my teenager expects to put equal effort into date planning with her young man Certainly a good and healthy attitude to have! The young professionals seem to all spend a fair bit of time talking up eachother's ideas, in a mixed gender group. I mean I don't go out with them to watch it happen, but as they speak to eachother the assumptions are not how this is being repr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:29 PM |
| 22 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolThe irony is that women clearly recognize and understand that it is a problem when men are apathetic to or hostile to women. They know it's a problem. But when women do the same to men all of a sudden there's a billion excuses for why it's different or it doesn't matter. The sad reality is still that men simp for the average women far more than the other way around, so most women are still shielded from the consequences of their active hostility and hatred of men. It's really funny too, a survey… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?I know it’s not, lol. I don't know if you were being deliberately obtuse, but just in case, let me spell it out for you. As a white man I largely won't experience racism, so saying I don't see racism doesn't in any way mean racism has stopped. As a woman you largely won't experience the issues men face, so as a woman saying you don't face the issues men face doesn't in any way mean the issues men face don't exist. Likewise Right, I'm so privileged because in pointing out how bad your arguments a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:10 PM |
| 7 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI just don't see this in real life. Neat, I'm a white man and I don't see racism in real life, problem solved! Or hang back with a wink and let the woman suggest a date. And how often do the women suggest a date? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 08:06 PM |
| 17 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolFunny how women fight like hell against any gender roles society imposes on them, and then women are happy to turn around and slam those self same gender roles on men whenever it's convenient for women. Gotta love those double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:17 PM |
| 19 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolOp is just pointing out how women are shooting themselves in the foot. And then blaming men for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:15 PM |
| 28 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolYou are entirely correct. The problem is most women don't give a fuck about making things worse for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:13 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI wonder where all that attitude was when it comes to misogyny. When it affects women it's wrong and evil and society needs to fix this, when it happens to men it's man up and take it on the chin and pull yourself up harder by your own bootstraps you pussy. Gotta love the double standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:13 PM |
| 0 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?Ah well see as a white men j never experience racism, so it's not a problem for me lol. I don't think you understand just how privileged and hypocritical you sound. I date men and women, women are very easy to date. I have no idea why y’all have so much trouble. You have no idea probably because you don't care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?And you don't ask men out at all, so you effectively force men to pay. Do you understand you continue to prove his point about how women have different standards for men than for women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:09 PM |
| 0 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?Before you ask, NO - I do not ask men out. Do you understand you kinda proved his point about how women have different standards for men than for women? "I treat men and women the same. Except if they're men I don't ask them out and therefore I expect men to pay but not women." Both sentences cannot be true at the same time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:19 PM |
| 1 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?My point remains - women are easy to date. Not too much trouble at all. According to women. And that's kinda the problem isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:17 PM |
| 2 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?It kinda reads very much as "well fine I didn't care about you anyways/you can't fire me I quit". Most women don't seem to see how the two are logically contradictory, because emotionally those two situations are different. Where are all the good men = men are bad and failing and reinforces the narrative of female victimhood that gives women power, and Men find women too much work = men are bad and failing and low value, and women know their worth and won't settle for low value males, reinforcin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:16 PM |
| 1 | Woman of Reddit. What is your usual response or reaction when you hear guys say "Women are too much work"?So from the male side it can feel like, “they see the frustration but have no incentive to care.” That is usually where the resentment comes from. Women also generally demand that men care endlesslly about any and all of women's issues, while women themselves absolve themselves completely of ever having to care about any of men's issues and say men aren't entitled to an ounce of help empathy or sympathy from women. Gotta love to see how so many women gladly treat equality like a one way street e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:11 PM |
| 2 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolYou kinda made my argument better than I could haha. People who hate stuff one uses or enjoys will have an impact on one's life. We can ignore the haters, but the consequences of the hater's actions will affect us regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 04:41 PM |
| 8 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolWell yes, and "people I'm attracted to = good" is a moral conclusion. That's kind of the problem. It's an erroneous conclusion because attractive people can be horrible, and unattractive people can be kind and generous. These mistaken moral conclusions about moral worth of attractive people causes real harm, and ignoring it won't make it go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 07:23 AM |
| 9 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolI mean it is vapid and hollow, but that's kinda like saying "just ignore the people who actively advocate for the worst political candidates". You can ignore the people, but that just kinda lets the problem perpetuate itself. You should take as much stock in women moralizing attraction as you should take stock in the statement "bread is evil" I mean people who think bread is evil generally don't generate hate speech and try and pass laws against men... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/26 05:51 AM |
| 16 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolOh completely agree. It's just kinda funny and frustrating to see someone lying to themselves, catch them in their lie, point out how they are lying to themselves, and then they go and deny it anyways. Those kinds of people are not worth engaging with for sure, it's just surprising and frustrating how many of them there are, especially in feminist circles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 11:41 PM |
| 29 | Women have unintentionally made the decent men leave the dating poolDon't moralize attraction. It's often times irrelevant. You're not wrong but women frequently moralize attraction enormously. Not all women, not all the time, but it's certainly fair game to point out the double standards and hypocrisy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/26 11:11 PM |
| – | Women don't have life "Easier" than menStatistically speaking do those medical issues counteract the fact you'd be 4x more likely to get murdered and 4x more likely to kill yourself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 09:00 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?And everyone should care about gold digging women because anyone who cares about a man knows that man has a chance of being financially abused by a gold digger. You changed the argument a bit, so I can change it here too. You went from "they're not equivalent" to "everyone should care if they have a chance of becoming a victim". For the record I largely agree with you, everyone should care, it's just that 9 times out of 10 that turns into "well women are the main victims so we should care more a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 04:14 AM |
| 6 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.Right, then which men exactly are doing the oppressing, and why are we saying it is "men" doing the oppressing, rather than rich and powerful men? Why are we blaming all of men for something a minority of men are doing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 04:00 AM |
| 2 | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Ok cool and I say they are equivalent. X person shouldn't care about Y issue if they can avoid the people who cause issue Y. Men shouldn't care about gold digging women if they can avoid the women who are gold diggers. Women shouldn't care about rape and domestic abuse if they can avoid the men who are rapists and abusers. Same logical structure. Logically equivalent. Now it's up to you to make an argument for why they're not logically equivalent despite having the same logical structure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 03:56 AM |
| 5 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.Because it's not the truth. You think a disabled PTSD homeless vet is oppressing Kamala Harris? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 03:53 AM |
| 1 | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?No you just implied it's a false equivalency. You didn't make an actual argument,you just basically said "that's crazy". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/26 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Crazy that I use logic to point out how flawed reasoning is flawed and that irrational thinking is irrational. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 11:45 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?I'm saying youre complaining about something that hasnt even affected you. Why do you care if some women are golddiggers when you can be with a girl who doesnt care about money? I guess women should just stop caring about bad men and stop caring about rape and domestic abuse, and just stick with good men. You havent because you look at ragebait instead of what good women actually say. I understand there are good women. There are a lot of bad women too. And if we complain about bad men and try to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 11:08 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Red pill pretend women behave like men, by pointing out how women do not behave like men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 10:44 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Did the women that you went out with complain about it? Why would this matter at all? I see plenty of men online complaining about small boobs but the guys i dated seemed to be fine about it. And there's also plenty of guys online saying they like small boobs, or saying that the boobs they prefer, big or small, are the boobs they can actually touch, so they'll be happy with what they can get. I don't see any woman saying they're happy with cheap dates or impressed by how much money he saved or d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 08:52 PM |
| 2 | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?It's coming from the fact that a bunch of women are complaining that men take them on coffee dates, and that they want to be taken on expensive dates. If we take men complaining about stuff as a valid source of complain, even if I personally am not complaining about that, then surely we can take other women complaining about stuff as a valid source of complaint, even if you or my ex were not complaining about that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 08:36 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Oh sorry I understood like dates with different people. No I took her out on multiple dates, inexpensive as they were because we were both broke students. I still overall was the one to take her on dates and pay for stuff for her, though she did give gifts in exchange since gift giving was her love language. The thing is though women are freely encouraged to feel entitled to be taken on dates and expensive dates, while men are told they're not entitled to anything from women, not even gifts in r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 08:03 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?3, but part of that was also because I got in a 7 year relationship that turned controlling, toxic, and abusive, and I'm still trying to fix the damage from that years later. The thing I love though is that it's not just my personal experience, it's the lived experience of men. Men talk about this stuff all the time, it's not hidden or secret. Do you accept that men's lived experiences are just as valid and valuable as women's lived experiences? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:51 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?And you don't think women are whiny? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:49 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?The entire premise of red pill is that women DO NOT think like men, and that women do not think like how mainstream society and blue pill portray it. If red pill thought women thought like men then red pill wouldn't say that she's not yours it's just your turn. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:46 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Now imagine being dumped constantly without even having the pleasure of being pumped first. That's the male experience. That's why pumped and dumped is a step above being dumped. The male equivalent to being pumped and dumped is putting all the effort for dates, spending a ton of money and time and effort and then being dumped anyways. And women largely don't experience that because women don't have nearly the same pressure to perform on dates, aren't expected to pay and are largely the ones dum… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:45 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?Just want to chime in and say I think you are completely correct. The problem is that as a society we have decided the male equivalent of all those fantasies and desires is evil and cruel and immoral, while all the female fantasies are good and innocent and harmless and men are the problem if men don't like it. I agree with you on those fantasies and understand how and why women appreciate those fantasies. But for some reason we have decided they men projecting male fantasies on women is horribl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:42 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?When you can't breathe air is the only thing that matters. When you're dying of thirst water is the only thing that matters. When you can get most of your social needs met, even if poorly, but can't get any romance or sex, then romance or sex are the only thing that matters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:33 PM |
| – | Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough?If you think men are whiny AF, wait until you start trying to date women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 07:24 PM |
| 8 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.I agree. Now go tell feminism to stop framing everything as men vs women, stop saying men oppress women, and stop saying everything is men's fault. Good luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 12:13 PM |
| 6 | Men are hugely responsible for "hoeflation."And then it's called projection. Women do this, and they think men would act he same way women do, so women blame men and complain about men doing the thing women think men would do if men thought and acted like women. But men don't think or act like women, and then men wonder what the fuck women are on about blaming men for something men don't do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 12:01 PM |
| – | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.I agree. Now go tell feminism to stop framing everything as men vs women, stop saying men oppress women, and stop saying everything is men's fault. Good luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 11:58 AM |
| 3 | Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship?I don’t understand why these men seek empathy from women specifically. Largely because women constantly demand empathy from men, and women claim to be kind and caring and empathetic. So men play into it and most don't see the massive double standards until it smacks them in the face. Then those men complain, and women turn around and say that men aren't entitled to relationships or empathy from women, when men are complaining as a result of the massive double standards and hypocrisy. Wouldn’t ot… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 04:04 AM |
| 5 | We need to stop the men vs women framing. It's toxic and pointless.Did you never hear feminists say how men oppress women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/05/26 03:51 AM |
| 2 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?Hahaha that's totally fair, by all means prioritize what helps you in life, you don't owe it to an internet stranger like me to learn all the stuff I learned about ;) I again absolutely hear you and agree on jobs and education and bank accounts and all that. It is all absolutely great. And if you don't have the time and mental energy left over to learn about or argue about modern feminism that's totally fair, but you might be in the wrong subreddit then ;) On my side I came here because I went t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 11:21 PM |
| 6 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?Shots fired indeed haha, I'm just calling it like it is. Agree with you that fighting against that constant moral superiority and moral condescension is exhausting as a man. I am absolutely with you on equality and having equal access to stuff, but feminism doesn't have a monopoly on equality. One can want equality and yet also be against feminism, it's just feminism treats any disagreement with feminism like it's the moral equivalent of being a myaogtniatic woman hating incel. There is no agree… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 09:49 PM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedhttps://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. The survey found that men and women had a similar prevalence of nonconsensual sex in the previous 12 months (1.270 million women an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 09:24 PM |
| 11 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?Oh yeah that is absolutely true, it's just feminists like to pretend that they aren't just as lying and hypocritical as everyone else. Most feminists treat feminism like Christians treat Christianity, as though being a feminist or Christian automatically makes you a better and more moral person than others by default, and that real feminists/Christians would never do all the immoral stuff they call out in others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 09:17 PM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedNope. I care about actual equality. Feminism treats equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women. Therefore if someone cares about actual equality, they can't really be a feminist. Feminism has spent decades erasing, dismissing, and invalidating male victims of rape and of domestic abuse, because it completely contradicts the feminist narrative of "male violent horrible oppressor, women innocent oppressed victim". Hence why feminism is so desperate to bury the fact half the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 06:55 PM |
| 7 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?See even if people don't fall for that feminists can twist it around in that "I didn't say that so clearly you must be a misogynistic woman hating incel if you twist my words like that". It's less about successful deception of others as much as it is gaslighting and self deception, for feminists to continue to tell themselves that they don't hate men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 06:53 PM |
| 11 | why do your responses to men's statements sometimes not match what was actually said?But they can still claim that's not what they said. It maintains plausible deniability. I agree with you that the yes is obvious, those feminists just don't want to acknowledge it because saying so makes them look bad and would expose the inherent hypocrisy and double standards they openly use and abuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/26 06:46 PM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI'm glad you aren't saying it doesn't happen, there are unfortunately far too many women in this subreddit who do. There was one feminist on here who was adamant that women could not rape men, so it could not happen. Thankfully most feminists aren't that extreme, but the fact it exists at all is appalling. Per feminism ideology, fair enough, I was mostly just backing my assertion that feminist leftist circles kinda explicitly and deliberately erase male victims. I was specifically talking about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 02:26 AM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedAnd while many of those changes do make it more accurate to find female victims, it also simultaneously makes it less accurate for male victims. It did not account for homeless men or men in prison and jail, the sample size for men was not large enough to accurately report the 12 month prevalence of sexual violence against men. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1qun6cz/new_national_intimate_partner_and_sexual_violence/ And every NSVIS until the most recent one found similar rates of vic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 02:01 AM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedSex and race are not interchangeable social categories no matter how badly people online want every discussion to be perfectly symmetrical. I'd argue actually that CLASS and gender are not interchangeable so the whole schtick of male as the oppressor class and women as the oppressed class is invalid in the first place, but if we are going to grand that, you're going to have to explain why sex and class are interchangeable but sex and race are not. Would you want your girlfriend accepting rides f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/26 01:12 AM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipFirst off the study you linked has very little impact on what I had said, in that mother's can react to crying in their sons while still propagating negative attitudes like "boys don't cry". If we want to address this issue, this is a real factor we need to be aware of and take into consideration. My intention was co punter the "women-are-wonderful" effect, and to point out that women aren't nearly as morally superior to men as many women believe themselves to be. Women are human just like men, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 05:30 PM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipGenerally men and women are equally bad, it's just that usually men are worse than women at certain things, and women are worse than men when it comes to certain other behaviours. I hear you that constant goal post moving can be very frustrating for sure though. Usually I try to be as accurate and correct as I can, and I do want to know if I am wrong, so I don't mind being called out on errors and do appreciate others who also care about accuracy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 05:01 PM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedExcept that if people specifically and deliberately take precautions around one specific racial group, and spread negative messages and stereotypes about that one specific racial groups, and call exceptions to the negative messages and stereotypes "some of the good ones", we'd instantly recognize how bigoted and prejudiced that would be. But for some reason when we use the exact same reasoning against men, then all of a sudden it's totally fine and not prejudiced and not bigoted at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 12:53 PM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipMore often than not means more than 50% of the time. It does not mean it is only women who are unwilling to communicate honestly, just that on average if someone is communicating dishonestly, there are greater odds they are a woman than a man. Doesn't mean men don't do it, just that most people who do it aren't men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 11:45 AM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipCool, so we can agree that there are many women who do it. It's a non-zero amount. And there is a huge number of women who actively shame men for expressing their emotions yes. Funnily enough for example it is mothers, not fathers, who perpetuate the "boys don't cry" thing. https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/article/boys-dont-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 11:42 AM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedHaha fair sorry about that, I'll try. And true you didn't say men can't suffer, etc, but when we see groups of people being abused, victimized, etc, as a society we clearly and evidently see the systemic causes that include bigoted logic and prejudice against those groups. But when those exact same issues happen to men all of a sudden it's not bigoted logic and not prejudice, it's "just statistics". Surely you can see the double standard here. Per lived experiences and patterns from personal exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 11:24 AM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedSee if a man wanted to attack me, he wouldn't come at me in a fair fight and give me a chance. I'd get jumped by multiple men or men with weapons. I'd have 0 chance to defend myself as well. The thing is though, if I just give up and say there's no chance, then I am sabotaging my own chances of escaping. I can either sit and cry and complain that the world is unsafe and unfair, or I can try and keep myself in shape, do martial arts for self defence, and actually try and improve my own odds. So a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:39 AM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipI am only responsible for what I write, I am not responsible for what you read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:31 AM |
| 1 | You are not entitled to a relationshipI said women can and frequently do dehumanize men, I didn't say that all women always believe that all men have no emotions whatsoever. Do you want to try and engage with the topic rationally, or do you want to try to continue to victim-blame men and erase male victims and male issues? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:30 AM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI'm not flattening everything into all generalizations are identical, I'm flattening it into "as a society we recognize these generalizations are bigoted and prejudicial, EXCEPT when it comes to men, then we can make as many bigoted and prejudicial generalizations as we want and it's totally fine, because it doesn't count when it's done to men". It's a pretty massive double standard isn't it? Notice there is basically never any scale, history, or power dynamic used when talking about men, it's a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:29 AM |
| 0 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI mean I can say I've never seen any women being harassed or assaulted, just because "we run in different groups" doesn't suddenly erase the statistics. You'd be surprised how often some academic groups are just as or more biased. After all, the feminist academic groups explicitly ignored and denied evidence of male victimhood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model#Criticism Ellen Pence, co-founder of the DAIP, writes: "By determining that the need or desire for power was the motivating for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 10:19 AM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI was aware there was one more, and that they changed how they collect data and explicitly said not to compare that one to older ones. Didn't know there was amother newer one no. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/26 08:34 AM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedQuestion, because I generally have found you to be reasonable and rational in your debates here, and I think you would have sources on this Oh damn that is high praise haha! Thank you very much for this! do we have even moderately good data regarding what percentage of men offend when considering the broad range of sexual crimes and/or misbehaviors that fall short of criminality -- sexual assault, harassment, groping, spiking drinks, coerced consent, not stopping sex when consent is revoked, etc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 10:14 PM |
| 6 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI agree, but see, the question of how many men will take advantage if they can get away with it is... Exactly as many women will take advantage if they can get away with it. Reminder too that women are half the domestic abusers and near half of all rapists. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:27 PM |
| 8 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI mean, men should be more wary of other men more than women, because, statistically speaking, men are astronomically more likely to be violently assulted by another man than a women. It's just statistics. Very true, but for some reason all those male victims get constantly erased and dismissed and told that it is in fact women who are the bigger victims. If 80% of murder victims are men and men are vastly more likely to be harmed by other men, then why do we care so much about female victims wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:24 PM |
| 5 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedWhy would you assume that people who are physicaly stronger and that you have no chance to fight off would want to do you harm? Do you think that men ought to live in fear of female MMA champions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:16 PM |
| 5 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedThis only sounds comparable if you strip away all context, nuance, history, power dynamics, and lived experience until everything becomes the same blob of “people making generalizations.” Right, so this becomes "it's wrong when they do it but fine when we do it". Never heard that one before either. Women talking about patterns tied to harassment, violence, intimidation, safety concerns, etc is not remotely the same thing as racist ideology rooted in superiority, dehumanization, and prejudice. Ex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 05:15 PM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedwhy would I mention the good men do? this is a debate about the bad lol And a debate about blaming all men for the bad things a small minority of men do. If it was just about the bad men I'd agree with you that that small minority of men is bad and we definitely need to work on being able to identify and stay away from that small minority of bad men. the “good” men do isn’t enough for us women to feel safe, to be able to go for a walk at night, go to the club and leave our drink unprotected, go … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 04:21 PM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI did say you're allowed to make errors, but those errors have a cost. We should discourage those errors from happening, but feminism is more than happy to encourage those errors because the cost of those errors only harms men and they don't care about not harming men. Violence definition is “intentional use of physical force or power” That is one definition of violence yes, but we also recognize that verbal and emotional violence are things too. You can cause injury, death, and psychological ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 04:14 PM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedHow do we decide what the statistics being great enough? One in a hundred? One in a millin? One in a trillion? What is the precise cutoff point? I just don’t want to be assaulted by one, hence my and a majority of other women’s caution. Thanks Totally fine but remember to thank the 90%+ of men who are police officers who will defend you against being assaulted by other men, and to thank the other good men around you in your life who will protect you from being assaulted by other men. If you can … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:57 PM |
| 3 | You are not entitled to a relationshipThere's a grain of truth in that. Just like there's a grain of truth in how women say that men are stupid and can't pick up hints. There are differences between men and women, and we should recognize that women having hormones and emotional swings when they menstruate, especially since many women themselves openly admit to this. Men can also be emotional in other ways that don't make sense to women due to male socialization and social pressures and expectations on men. Both genders have emotions… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:54 PM |
| 2 | You are not entitled to a relationshipI'm not even saying that. The picture you posted is literally feminism. I'm arguing for actual equality. I'm saying both teams do the same aount of total bad things, and it's just as bad to blame all men for the actions of a small minority of men as it is to blame all women for the actions of a small minority of women. But for some reason holding women equality accountable as men is extremely unpopular. Most people don't seem to actually want equality, least of all the people who scream the most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:49 PM |
| 7 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI keep saying >90% of violent crimes are by men. That’s what I mean. Gets a bit repetitive. That is what you mean to say but it is not what you actually say all the time. That's why I pointed out when you literally said ">90% of men commit violent crimes". That's not what you may have MEANT to say but that is what you ACTUALLY said. If it's repetitive when I keep calling you out on those mistakes, stop making those mistakes. Verbally and social abuse ≠ violence btw Why not? We are obviously, as … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:44 PM |
| 8 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedokay, sure. but >90% of men commit violent crimes as opposed to 10% of women. so therefore the implication is that the 90% (men) is more violent than the 10% (women). See, you slipped there again. You said 90% of men commit violent crimes. You didn't say "90% of the people who commit violent crimes are men". On the one hand that could be a Freudian slip, but I'll go on assuming you made an honest mistake, and that you slandering and being prejudiced against all men there was just an accident you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:37 PM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedFair, but I mean I didn't ignore anything ihatesmelly said? So not sure why you replied to me there? I'm just confused. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:33 PM |
| 7 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedOk cool, so what you're saying is that it is okay to generalize people based on their biological and physical characteristics. So since by your own standards women are naturally smaller and weaker than men, then women should be protected and shouldn't go out without a man to escort them? Should we say that since women have menstruations, and that it makes their emotions go wild, that they shouldn't be allowed to vote? You don't get to turn to biological and physical charactersitics when it's con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:13 PM |
| 4 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedYou might be replying to the wrong person, I made a detailed comment and ihatesmelly completely ignored everything I said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:05 PM |
| 11 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedSee the thing is if 13% commits 50% of the crime, then the implication is that the 13% is 6x more violent than the other 87%. Does that mean we should treat ALL people who are part of that 13% as though they are ALL by default 6x more violent, simply because they are part of that group? To take it away from race, let's say that women are 10x more likely to be whores or prostitutes than men. Not all women but always a woman as it were. Does that mean we should treat all women like they're potenti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:05 PM |
| 14 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedNow say the same thing about literally any other group of people. Women should treat any Muslim man they don’t know or trust as if they have the potential to be violent. Women should treat any Jewish man they don’t know or trust as if they have the potential to be violent. Women should treat any Black man they don’t know or trust as if they have the potential to be violent. So you see that it is clearly bigoted and wrong to generalize an entire group based on only a small minority of members of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 03:00 PM |
| 14 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI'm not daft, I'm pointing out how "but always a man" DOES in fact blame all men, or at the very least says you should treat all men like they're potentially violent. You know how they say that when someone apologizes but they don't mean anything that comes before the "but"? What do you think happens with "not all men BUT always a man"? It's the exact same thing. It’s saying that the people who do commit the violent crimes are largely, by a majority, men. Not that a majority of men commit crimes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:56 PM |
| 11 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedHave you never heard the 13% of black population committing 50% of crimes statistics? Whereas there’s plenty stating >90% of violent crimes are committed by men. In the case of domestic abuse that's just factually wrong, given women are half of all domestic abusers and that 75% of unidirectional domestic abuse is female on male. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ Still doesn't justify blaming all men, as the "but always a man" clear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:56 PM |
| 6 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedRight back atcha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:54 PM |
| 1 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedI'm not daft, I'm pointing out how "but always a man" DOES in fact blame all men, or at the very least says you should treat all men like they're potentially violent. You know how they say that when someone apologizes but they don't mean anything that comes before the "but"? What do you think happens with "not all men BUT always a man"? It's the exact same thing. It’s saying that the people who do commit the violent crimes are largely, by a majority, men. Not that a majority of men commit crimes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:53 PM |
| 4 | You are not entitled to a relationshipNot according to most women, no, men don't. Kinda funny how women can and frequently do dehumanize men and are totally fine with it, and then turn around and complain how it's horrible when men do it to them. I'm all for equality, but most women don't seem to like it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:43 PM |
| 1 | You are not entitled to a relationshipBut can we at least agree that stringing someone along is a cousin to ghosting someone, in that they both involve an unwillingness to honestly communicate? Completely agree. The problem is that more often than not the people who are unwilling to honestly communicate are not men. Really the question is: do you as a human being have a moral obligation to but truthful and communicate with others clearly? Ideally, yes. This becomes a prisonner's dilemma though because anyone who is truthful and comm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:42 PM |
| 5 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedSee I agree with the former, but "not all men but always a man" is basically saying that "it doesn't matter how small the % of men, treat ALL men like they're potentially violent". And therein lies the problem, because "not all men but always a man" completely eclipses and erases the fact that 90% of men are not violent criminals, and encourages people to treat the average man like he could be a violent crimina. Imagine if the saying was "not all Muslim men but always a Muslim man" or "not all J… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:36 PM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedSee it's only bad when it's done to everyone else, except men ;) The brainwashing is insane. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:30 PM |
| 7 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedExcept there is no other group, apart from men, in statistics that remains this bad across the board regardless of country, socioeconomic status and culture/religion. Except you're ignoring the fact that 90% of men DO NOT commit these crimes. So you're looking at the tiny minority of men who do, and blaming the vast majority of men, even though the vast majority of men are innocent. It's literally stereotyping and generalizing in a way you would never find acceptable if it was done to literally … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:29 PM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedThat was a direct quote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:28 PM |
| 3 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedYou intentionally misrepresented what I said to try and make a point I never made. Oh the irony | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:27 PM |
| 2 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedno good faith reading If you don't like the taste of your own medicine my guy you shouldn't be dishing it out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:27 PM |
| 16 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuanced"Not all black men but mostly black men". Is that not racist as fuck? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:27 PM |
| 6 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedYou can’t say “most men don’t rape”, because that’s not related to the topic That is LITERALLY the topic. It’s not about how many men do or don’t do xyz. It’s about the statistics in DV, murder, physical and verbal assault being led by men in most cases >80%. That’s not saying most men do it - it’s saying that most people that DO do it are men. While completely forgetting and erasing the fact that most men don't rape or abuse. As /u/Mela_ninja points out, it's extrapolating from a small minority… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:25 PM |
| 14 | When a man say “not all men” he’s seen as complicit and dismissive. When a woman says it, she’s being nuancedNewsflash the overwhelming majority of men are not murderers or sexual abusers, so no it's not mostly men, it's a tiny minority of men. The problem is that it is mostly men AMONG THE SMALL MINORITY OF ALL OFFENDERS, but the "not all men but always a man" completely ignores the "among the small minority of all offenders" and blames all men as a collective, and that's just completely flat-out wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/26 02:21 PM |
| 0 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?That source is for women in relationships, not just dating, and men are half the domestic abuse victims in relationships, so I doubt that the majority of violence in dating is male on female violence. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/en/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303-eng.pdf?st=G3YeIgkV https://np.reddit.com/r/TheTinMen/comments/1ooxfm9/an_advanced_guide_to_intimate_partner_violence/ Unless of course we're willing to say that men are more violent in dating, but once the couple are in a relati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/26 05:00 AM |
| 3 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?One form of violence by proxy is by paying someone to be violent for you. Another form of violence by proxy is by encouraging bystanders to be violent for you. Which do you think is more likely, that a crowd of bystanders be violent in service to a man, or violent in service to a woman? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 05:35 PM |
| 4 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?I think if we want to have a more equal society then we ought to treat everyone equally and treat all victims with the same level of help, empathy, and respect. For some reason a lot of people on the left seem opposed to that the moment it applies to men as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?A man reports to the police he's been raped by a woman. A woman reports to the police she's been raped by a man. Who do you think gets taken more seriously? And before you go off on statistics, reminder that men are near half the rape victims in the US. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4062022/ "For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 03:40 PM |
| -4 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?Source? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 03:00 PM |
| -1 | Do you think biological realities playing into heterosexuality is a topic that leftists/feminists are ready to discuss?In the dating world women are most vulnerable because of men. In life outside of dating men are more vulnerable because of other men What about violence by proxy? Person A is stronger than person B. Say person B happens to be a physically weaker but richer person, who can tell their bodyguards to beat up person A. Now translate that to mob justice instead of purely economic means. Which do you think is more likely, a man saying the woman across from him tried to rape him, and people around beati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/26 03:00 PM |
| 4 | The Changing Room Gender Paradox.It feels like they’re trying to look inclusive on paper, but in reality, they’ve just made it a huge hassle for guys to even try on a shirt. Why not just make the whole place "Any Gender" and stop with the weird tiered system that doesn't actually work for anyone? Well see the thing is they are trying to look inclusive. It's just that nowadays inclusivity means including everyone except men. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/26 03:32 AM |
| 9 | Guys, honest answers onlyYou know, I think this is the closest I've ever seen you to just flat out admitting double standards. You're not even trying to explain away or justify it, just flat out "yeah double standards, that's it". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/26 09:40 AM |
| 2 | Many "intersectional feminists" have a very shallow understanding of intersectionalitySee the thing is you believe that intersectionality not recognizing the issues men face is a bug. It's not. It's a feature. Intersectionality is built on the same feminist principles that masculinity can only ever be a privilege and can never be cause for oppression, while femininity can only ever be a source or oppression and can never be a privilege. And then, when this faulty and bigoted logic collides with reality, feminism doesn't even bother calling reality wrong, it just calls racist and … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/26 07:36 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menFair enough I can try and be more distinct between "men deserve empathy" and "society doesn't care about men" and "feminism doesn't care about men". They are three separate but closely related issues. Male victims deserving support is not controversial. You'd think so but every time you hear "yeah but men are murdered by other men" that's a denial of support and help. I can do the same thing in reverse all day with men dismissing women’s issues. That doesn’t mean “men don’t care about women.” It… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/26 02:01 AM |
| 3 | Women not needing men is a good thingThat statistic u fortunately ignores the fact that for years post divorce, men's odds of suicide goes from 4x higher than women's suicide, to 9x higher than women's suicide. Those divorced and suicided men are counted in the "single" category. It also ignores that women generally won't pair with a man who has significant issues, so the men who have a shorter lifespan whether due to medical reasons or bad choices, are also less likely to find partners. The statistics aren't wrong per se but it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesOof now you're ignoring your own words? Embarrassing. Alexa, add "emotional, illogical, and petty" to the list of female traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 03:22 PM |
| 0 | Men love and respect pick meswomen simply aren’t shallow mmm nope, not remotely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menFair enough, and for what it's worth I don't wish you ill will. The world is a rough place for a lot of people, and we can all do with a bit more sympathy and help. You take care of yourself yeah? :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 03:08 PM |
| 0 | Men love and respect pick mesRight, and men are always perfect gentlemen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:47 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesYou keep telling yourself that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:46 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesBeing shallow IS a flaw. women simply aren’t shallow Nope, sorry, women are just as shallow as men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:35 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mes<lmao yall want to be women so bad. No idea why you're saying this, I do not see the connection at all. men do not have beauty standards Where have you been the last 50 years? Society has spent the last half century telling men their beauty standards for women were patriarchal, oppressive, and body shaming. I guess you do prefer the hypocritical lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 07:34 AM |
| 0 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesExcept for all the men who see women frequently using the definition of pickme you don't agree with. "I don't like it" =/= "it's not true". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:55 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesYou were so close, right up until the last 5 words. This describes people, men and women both. Get of your high horse, women are just as shallow, superficial, and vain as men are. Welcome to equality, women are no longer made of sugar and spice and everything nice, they're flawed people just like men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesOn the one hand, men are honest about it. On the other hand women claim up and down they're not shallow and then often have far more restrictive beauty standards they impose on men. So you prefer the straightforward honesty or the hypocritical lying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:50 AM |
| 4 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:50 AM |
| -1 | Men love and respect pick mesPlease womansplain men's lived experiences to men harder. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:49 AM |
| 0 | Men love and respect pick mesThere are 2 definitions of pickme, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect, or decency, gets called a pickme by all the other women because that first woman dares go against the "men are trash we hate men" hivemind mentality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Men love and respect pick mespleasant, loves being around him Behaviour What you're describing is a nice attractive woman. Appearance, nothing to do with behaviour. They are not the same. An attractive woman can be extremely unpleasant to be around and she can hate men. That makes her significantly less attractive in men's eyes. Per pick me there are also 2 definitions, the original one of a woman who puts other women down to appeal to men, and the 2nd definition where any woman who dares to treat men with kindness, respect… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 05:47 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI was less implying you yourself are a sore loser, and more implying that the wider trend of going "women always have it worse than men" turning into "well actually both sides face difficulties" whenever it's shown that men do in fact have it worse than women in a specific situation, is akin to a sore loser who doesn't want to admit they lost. Again, not saying it's you specifically, I meant more to say this is a consistent pattern I've noticed crop up basically every time the "women have it wor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/26 12:34 AM |
| 1 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI mean yes but see when women have it harder it's clear that women have it harder, but when men have it harder suddenly it's "both have it harder but in different ways" and "it's not a competition". Sounds an awful lot like a sore loser refusing to admit defeat. Why is it so hard for you to admit full stop that men can and do have it worse than women sometimes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 04:38 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menWell I'm glad you think male victims deserve empathy full stop, we're on the same page. The problem is that society isn't, and feminism especially isn't, given feminism constantly and consistently invalidates, dismisses, ignored, and belittles male victims. And for some reason recognizing the problem that feminism doesn't give a flying fuck about male victims, is somehow misogynistic. Saying “men matter too” isn’t the problem. Turning every issue into “and this is women’s fault” is. But what hap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 04:37 PM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menIf anything almost all comments on articles with male rape victims where the rapist is a woman tends to be teeming with men saying how they wish they were the victim. Yes, because those men are the victims of a system that constantly erases and invalidates male victims. Kinda funny how we can recognize this with women who have internalized misogyny, but the moment something similar happens to men we immediately jump to "well obviously men ARE the problem". Funny how that works out. Great way for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 04:55 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menOne time I was walking back home with my roommate, and a woman ahead of us crossed the street to avoid walking by us. If we were of a certain racial minority, it would have immediately been recognized as a microaggression. I get plenty of hatred from women online. I see hatred of men from women every time there's a slogan like "teach boys not to rape". I see hatred from women every time there are dozens of things for International women's day, and either nothing for International Men's day, or s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 04:35 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menHow exactly is it to demand agreement with a framing to point out that men are half the domestic abuse victims and near half the rape victims, and that male victims deserve just as much empathy as female victims? Like, I'm trying to frame it that men matter too and we should be empathetic to male victims, and somehow that's a bad thing? Men have issues. No one serious is denying that. Oh you'd be surprised, there are plenty of feminists in this very subreddit who will deny up and down all day lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 04:28 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI said more women than ever asking men out. Still much less than men asking men out. I mean sure, an increase from 1% of women asking men out to 2% of women asking men out is more than ever, fair enough, but come on. Also noticed how u didn't dismiss that the men also confirm that women ask men out. I don't know what you mean here, because my experiences and the experiences of the vast majority of the men I see and talk to, is that no, women do not in fact ask men out more. It would be absurd to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 03:08 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menYou are very welcome, and thank you for your kindness as well. Very wise of you, to quote the words of the serenity prayer, "God grant me serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference". I hope you take more time to make sure you recover fully. The stuff I talked about are heavy and difficult topics for sure, and frankly your priority ought to be your own mental and emotional well being, before you go back out there to try and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 02:45 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menI'd be all for feminism if wanting to make things fair was the only thing feminism was aiming for. I call myself an egalitarian because I do care about equality, I just don't see that feminism at large actually cares for equality, and that it instead treats equality like a one-way street exclusively to women's benefit. That I can't support. Completely agree that things were far from fair in the past, there has never been a time in history when things were fair, but thankfully we are at least mov… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 02:16 AM |
| 2 | Modern women overrate their value way more than menLooks like it went through! Turns out reddit hates the one particular link with a source for Mary Koss' comments that men can't be rape victims for some reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/26 02:06 AM |
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