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Do you not understand percentages? The way they gave the numbers, besides being badly written (you can't have a chance >100%), is less informative than the raw numbers. Maybe the "normal" chance is 1% and the chance in a 30 years gap is 2.7%, or maybe it's 10% and 27%. It's possibly an interesting argument, if you can show that the age gap factor overweighs the virginity/n-count factor, but in any case it's weird to write such a broad title about rp in general when your post is only about age ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:50 PM
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A 30-year age difference means a whopping 172% chance of divorce Wow, so it's a guaranteed divorce, and then it's gonna make you remarry and divorce again! ... What they meant was that the chance increases by 172%. They should have given the raw numbers imo. To make your point efficiently, you should also give the numbers for the influence on divorce of virginity/n-count, and show that age gap matters more. But anyway it's a light argument for a title like "redpillers cherry-pick and ignore what…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:43 PM
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That's basic red pill philosophy: things are what they are, adapt, take what you can and enjoy the decline. If you had written that 15 years ago, it would have been insightful. For something posted today on purple pill debate, I would find it more interesting to discuss what society could do about our natures, how we can organize our collective behaviors around them. Keep in mind that saying "being the best man you can" is misleading: for a lot of interpretations of "best man", that would mean l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:43 AM
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4) US Passport Bros will increase. When you combine the destruction of third world economies with the reemergence of a US manufacturing base, you’ll have an even more extreme disparity between 1st world and 3rd world countries. That's wishful thinking. The third world economies are being built not destructed, and the disparity will shrink not grow. The USA are particularly bad at sharing their wealth inside the country so your US passport might soon become less attractive than a Cuban one, at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:04 AM
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Using that same logic anyone could have done something similar to Babbage one day. That's what I said. Honestly I don’t really know what you’re trying to say I just want people to stop saying things like "without Ada Lovelace, robotics as we know it today would not exist". It's vastly exaggerated and nobody would say that if she had been a man. She was a pioneer, she was a very smart woman, her insight was admirable, there's no need to twist history and make her more than she was. because it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:14 PM
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It reminds me of another difference, possibly related: psychological conformity. The data about gender difference in conformity is chaotic, it depends on the way the experiment is done, the age of the subjects and even the gender of the experimenter, but overall it seems clear that women conform more. However the impression I got from looking at articles about this was that people were more interested in finding ways to say that there's no big difference than in investigating the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:16 AM
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A woman literally invented the computer algorithm. A man created the first computer ("analytical engine") and the first person to write an algorithm using this machine was a woman. (The machine didn't even exist at the time btw, it was just a feasible project) Circular saw. That's been invented thousands of time since unrecorded history. Aquarium Again, how would you know who was the first person to put living things inside a box filled with water? Dishwasher According to wikipedia, "The first m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 07:53 AM
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On a philosophical level, of course it's true, and it's a bit silly to boast about men's value, I suppose people say that because they're tired of the general misandry. On a practical level, men are usually thanked and rewarded for their contribution, which is normal, but I see no reason to thank or reward anyone because they brought more people into this world. Have babies if you want to, it's your choice, but unless you made them with me, you're not entitled to anything from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 07:36 AM
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Ada Lovelace wasn't very critical. Babbage did more and even him wasn't irreplaceable, without him or her someone else would have done something similar some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 07:29 AM
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There's a lot of truth in that, and yet it's not so simple. You have to balance your balls with your brain and your heart. Much of the red pill is about letting go of a social conditioning that was ingrained in you but that's detrimental to your dating: stop believing that women are wonderful, that your lust is shameful, that your niceness and providership can instill attraction, etc. But that's not enough, we live in complex societies where dating is constrained by social norms. Naturally, we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 11:22 PM
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Men developed laws and social paradigms that forced women into positions where without men they would struggle to make enough money to survive on their own. They didn't force without reason, the systems they developed stemmed from to the realities of life. In any pre-industrial-revolution setting, women need men to provide for them, especially when children come into the equation. That's biology, not sociology. Sociologically, their independence was indeed inferior, but their value as individual…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 01:10 PM
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No women maybe. For men it's very possible: "I found this gizminator for almost nothing at a clearance auction, I'm so lucky". (Of course for their sexual choices they all want hourglass waist and firm tits, if they could find one that nobody else wanted it would be great but that never happens)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 03:15 AM
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The word "masculinity" can be misleading: some things are statistically more masculine but they're not the right kind of masculinity, like video games or autism. Usually what we mean by masculinity is the traits that are correlated with success on the SMP (we could call it alphaness maybe?). Obviously women are the main arbiters of it, but it's not entirely in their control: the successful "alpha" men have to be extroverted manipulative assholes, almost by definition. If they weren't extroverted…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 02:40 AM
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In RP spaces women are often blamed for the fact that much fewer males reproduced successfully than females did in the past. I haven't seen much of that. This stat is more mentioned to counter the idea that men were privileged. Women are blamed for the modern situation though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:44 AM
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Not necessarily. Here are some examples. Everyone gets married and every couple has 4 children, but 3/4 of the children of the poor couples die, while all the rich children survive. A rich guy has 5 wives and 5 children while 5 poor guys share one whore and only one of them is the father of her child - in this case you could say it's also sexual success, but it's possible that the poor guys actually have a lot of sex, the whore is getting fucked all day long (and nights too). Sexual and reproduc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 06:40 AM
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I think that most women just want a partner that’s close to matching the partners of their friends in their social groups. Similar levels - looks wise, career wise, personality wise. The problem is that the partners of their friends are hard to match, because they share the same highly attractive and successful guys (either simultaneously in situationships, or serially). On top of that, a lot of the "high value" of these guys is kinda phony, or at least very subjective. An honest single guy can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 02:05 AM
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The advancements that freed women were technological, and the past situation wasn't more unnatural than today.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:47 AM
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The SMP doesn't adjust itself via supply and demand, because neediness is unattractive. The balance is achieved when men on the edge are so attractive that they can still be attractive while being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:38 AM
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In a theoretical post-scarcity world where nobody works and wealth is shared equally between everyone, and without any social control of sexuality, how would mate selection look like? I don't know, but I think it would be very unequal, about the same as today or worse. There's the basic fact that some men are innately more attractive, and then there's preselection, and the life dynamic of sexually successful men being more happy, less stressful, more conducive to improvement, ... Incidentally, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:29 AM
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But women select violent men. If women stopped choosing and couples were assigned randomly by some lottery, there would be less conjugal violence on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:09 AM
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If you enjoy makeup then why would you blame your usage of it on someone else. Being able to blame someone else doubles the pleasure, that's basic women psychology! (More seriously, I agree with most of the replies: makeup shouldn't be demanded or even expected. (And while we're at it, men shouldn't have to wear ties))
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 10:10 PM
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It's more a negotiating tactic. Women want promises, commitment, a man that takes responsibility for the relationship. They won't get any of that if they offer themselves for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 07:04 AM
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The same goes for men. Not really: lukewarm men would usually find simping more attractive than repulsive. It might not be enough to make him attracted to the girl, but it's a positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 04:37 AM
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They got those stats by asking, so you have to multiply women's numbers by 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:31 AM
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Your point is that kindness isn't real kindness if the guy isn't first confident and attractive, and false kindness is unattractive but real kindness is attractive. You're just theory-crafting a way to explain that nice guys finish last but it's all very moral. In the real world, there's plenty of kindness coming from people whose heart isn't overflowing but who still share the meager heartflow they have with their neighbors.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 03:57 AM
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A society where people are only kind to others when their own heart is full would have much less kindness than what we've promoted for centuries. I guess we're heading there, enjoy the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 02:29 AM
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Displays of kindness are only attractive when they come from superiority, when they're directed at exploited people. Using public transportation is unattractive, unless you're some CEO or politician who exploits the world, then it's attractive. An alpha male gorilla who lets a subordinate have a banana is attractive. A subordinate gorilla who surrenders his banana to the alpha is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 02:26 AM
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That's your choice, you want "being impressive" as a mate selection criteria. It seems very common in females, not so much in males. (When a man decides to commit for life to one woman, she's de facto impressive in his eyes, but it doesn't imply that she would impress anyone else, he doesn't care much if the rest of the world sees her as just a woman that exists. (Although usually he would prefer a pretty one, so unless he has weird taste the rest of the world would also see her as a pretty woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 02:19 AM
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That's what I assumed too. The vid is just beautiful, as I said I don't even want to know the details.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:09 PM
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UA pov: Russian soldier waves goodbye to a Ukrainian drone and walks away I love this vid. May all the wars have as many as possible of these scenes. War always propagates from the power to the people, let peace propagate from the people to the power. Glory to the deserters! (I don't know if this guy is a deserter, I don't even want to know the details, and to be clear I encourage every Ukrainian soldier to do the same.) Edit: by the same I meant the same as the Russian soldier
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 11:53 AM
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Some women need to do a better job at realizing that brevity is nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:43 AM
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Let's say we socialize men and women to divide the overall burdens of a relationship 50/50 Then a lonely nerdy guy says "hey, I'm willing to do 60% - I love my job anyway, and I don't mind cooking, really the only thing missing in my life is a girlfriend that I could take care of". The girls say "Eww, so needy, what a doormat" and aren't interested. Chad says "my current girl hosts me and makes me sandwiches, what do you offer?". Girls say "I'm better than her, I'll host you and make you sandwic…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 10:11 PM
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The FSM is important, yes, but generally there isn't any undisputed alpha ruler, it's more diffuse. And it's not so much about being approved as a good mate that will make a girl happy, it's more that girls are competing to seduce the most in-demand men. If a man has no options, he stays single, because every girl knows that any girl can have him, there's zero status in seducing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 01:45 AM
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I think studies showed that preselection is indeed stronger when the "preselector female" is higher value, for humans as well as various other species. Sorry I'm too lazy and busy to google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 02:24 AM
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Men tolerate being deceived much less. For women, there's often the idea that at least he made an effort, they can even genuinely prefer it to someone who just had boring ugly pictures. It's linked to their general preference for plausible deniability. And anyway, when women experience a bad date, they are less likely to make a scene, state explicitly what they didn't like and get out, they prefer to stay polite, say good bye and ghost. Apparently in this experiment they were "open for more date…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:02 AM
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If I understand correctly you're saying that the nazis had left wing economics? They didn't. They violently suppressed unions, they were supported by the ultra-rich of the time, their archenemies were the communists, etc. Let me remind you of that description by Niemöller: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:40 AM
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The window was 2nd-4th date 20 years ago, today it's texting-2nd date. That's how Chad does it, if you can't do it she doesn't want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:28 PM
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You said that everyone would be nice to each other and share everything, I asked how you're gonna share when there's a plague, people are dying, you can help them survive but there's not enough for all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:21 PM
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I'm saying that your population is as affected by sickness as other populations of that time and place, no more no less. You're not allowed to teach them modern medical techniques, that's cheating. Otherwise you could also teach them how to make gunpowder, build a telegraph, refine aluminium, ... The idea is to imagine a different social organization, it's not supposed to be a time travel scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 10:34 PM
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But in what you say in these discussions, does it ever come back to something women did wrong? There are almost no constructive discussions in this sub, it's only debate, and the worst kind of debate. Everyone defends their arguments tooth and nail, never giving an inch otherwise the other side is gonna flaunt it forever like "you even admitted yourself that I'm right and you're wrong". And it's not even just in this sub. Your side holds the mainstream discourse and they've pushed the Duluth mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:58 PM
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You're arguing over details, confident poor men are more like a niche, and anyway as you say yourself it's hard to be confident if you're unsuccessful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:42 PM
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You don't know that. They didn't keep medical records.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:40 PM
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You don't "catch a cold" by being chilly or out in the rain. In practice you do. The exact scientific explanation is unknown to them and doesn't matter. You're not gonna have the only tribe in Italy who's immune to sickness. Women are perfectly capable of setting fires at night at attackers' villages if retaliation was needed. They can do it, but men can do it better, faster, further. The slinger counts in historical battles are far below 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 07:30 PM
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Your title says leftist perspective, you question asks for actionable non misogynistic advice. There's a hidden assumption here that the left can't be misogynistic, that misogyny is in the portfolio of the right. It's not wrong, just oversimplified. (Even having one left/right axis is oversimplified anyway). And a strong part of the association between leftism and feminism came from the idea that men were more privileged, which is becoming more contested. That being said, I think any actionable …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 11:52 PM
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Quiet stoicism doesn't scream at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 06:00 PM
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Everyone can call alpha whatever they want, just remember that humility doesn't make girls wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 11:08 AM
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RP describes how the SMP works, it doesn't propose a consistent social model that would work if everyone agreed to it. Men in their 40s can pull girls in their 20s, and average men in their 20s find it hard to get any sex. Both are true, so you'd better integrate both in your worldview, otherwise you're not viewing the true world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 07:14 AM
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I only listened to the part just before the first girl leaves. It's a weird shit show. Saying that women aren't 100% in control of their n-count because there's sexual assault was weird and dumb, he should have just replied "ok, not 100%, let's say 95% or whatever" and moved on. Instead he started a weird vindicative rant on how rape culture is a myth like he said in a previous podcast. I might agree with some of his rant, rape comes from nature not culture, it's just not the topic. Then a girl …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 05:14 AM
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I don't know if it deserves to be called sexism. Some comment said that sexism is "the outward expression of our biological differences", that's an interesting perspective. I have no insightful opinion on this myself, so don't ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 06:38 AM
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A newborn definitely prefers their mother to anything else in the world. In fact they barely register anything else, and don't even realize that they now have their own body. So mothers start with an advantage. Things then change progressively.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:39 AM
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without taking it from the other
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 12:33 AM
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That's the neat part, they don't. (Sorry, couldn't resist).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 11:16 AM
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Ok there was no syphilis in ancient Italy, but there was herpes, gonorrhea, probably other things. You can't say "not in my population", your population isn't better than the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:57 AM
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Winter is still cold in Italy. Technically, "some hills in Italy" can be high hills in Piemont with 1m of snow every winter. If you go South and/or downwards to sea level it's milder, snow in Rome is very rare. My example with 50% sick was harsh, but I hope you get the general idea: you can't save everyone. Dying from catching a cold was a real thing for every tribe, yours isn't immune. Historically, in most societies, women worked in the fields when there was something for them to do there, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 01:54 AM
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Also, with omni-orgies once per year (and presumably free sex all the time?), all your population has syphilis.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:48 AM
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There was only one other communal proposition. The same replies I did apply to yours: when you're dealing with death and danger all the time, relying on the power of friendship to make people help everyone else is weak. Winter comes, 50% of your population gets sick, they all need rest and warmth and good meals with meat and honey and purpleberry tea and fireleaf ointments. There's not enough of all that for everyone. How do you decides who gets what? Also, women spend most of their lives either…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 12:30 AM
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Marriage would be similar as before, yes. Historically the bride could officially have a say or not; in all christian land they did, very explicitly, in some other cultures they didn't but usually it probably wasn't a massive difference on the scale of a society. Parents rarely forced their own daughters to marry someone she hated, and the men looking for a wife naturally preferred to court the one who smiled at them while adjusting her hair than the one who frowned at them and smiled at another…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:14 PM
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Mothers would be the official guardians of their children, and would be arranging their marriages, and just like in the real world they would do it taking the children's interest into account, although for nobility the amount of capital involved might overwhelm the child's libido-involved preferences. Having daughters being officially the mother's legacy with her name rather than the father's might indeed be less motivating for men, but I'm not sure it would be a big difference. I assume most me…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 10:04 AM
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Communism is generally understood to have collective ownership of the means of production, but with still some personal stuff. Marxism explicitly distinguishes between private and personal property: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property#Personal_versus_private_property. Items intended for personal use can be personal. What you're describing clearly fits with communism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 09:31 AM
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Good points. I was thinking of just patching the succession lineages, I didn't have any particular idea about all else, so there would still be mainly monogamous marriage, maybe with some polygyny if too many men die, like in real world societies. So in theory each women would still be "assigned" to one man and supposed to faithful, and people shall not covet their neighbor's partner. For the case of a woman cheating, I'd say she would get a fine, to recreate the disincentive of a husband disinh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 09:14 AM
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I don't quite understand your question. Men have various incentives and instincts, among which fathering and raising children is predominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:11 AM
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Hey, participation is slow, would it entice you to participate if I dismiss the benevolence condition? Maybe you'd have some Boschesque vision to share?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 07:16 AM
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Btw, "plagues happen" is an understatement: plague is omnipresent. You can literally die from catching a cold. I think you'd have to vote every winter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:54 AM
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Glory to the Golden Lord, and Bounties for the Boar God!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:42 AM
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Again, that sounds utopian. The value of cooperation you instill has to compete with basic human desires. People inherently like doing things, but they also inherently like not doing things, and the things we're talking about involve hammering iron near a furnace with mercury fumes and stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 06:24 AM
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What? That's asking way too much, men would leave! :) More seriously, ok, maybe, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:47 AM
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In the last sentence you say less
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:42 AM
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Your description reminds me of the mongols under Gengis Khan. I vaguely remember reading that their women had a lot of autonomy and influence, if only for the fact that their men were always out conquering - starting with Borte, the khan's first wife, who might have had a considerable authority over the empire in his absence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:41 AM
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That's very utopian. On a practical level, by having all your children learn to read and write, you lose a lot of useful labor compared to learning more immediately useful skills. Keep in mind that a lot of them will die before ten. But more generally, "be kind and productive and never take more than you need" sounds too ambitious and fragile to counter human laziness and greed, especially in these difficult times. Even if need is just defined as vital need like food, there will be years when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:30 AM
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Anyway in actual history, anyone who doesn't go for the "kill and enslave all around" option will soon get assimilated by a close neighbor who does, it's all just a dream. By the way, you said that men are more likely to die, that implies active wars, a lot of women die in childbirth. And I believe your "mandatory sexual service" would be enough to make it a worse deal for women, in spite of the supposed majority of leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:04 AM
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The leisure time? Did they find out if the authors of the survey had an explanation and how did they count family calls? Btw your comment is weird at the end it's men have more free time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:50 AM
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That's like just the study I linked... :) I also wonder why. Do women spend more time applying make up? Choosing shoes? How are family calls counted? The text even mentions this gap explicitly but doesn't extrapolate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 04:42 AM
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Answering my own question: I think I would at least have matriarchal lineages, i.e. possessions would passed from mother to (first) daughter, instead of from father to (first) son. Paternity is always more doubtful, so this seems like an improvement, hopefully it would lead to a better cohesion of extended families. The "blood feuds" and other wars of succession would be different, I don't see why they would be better or worse overall for society, but they'd have different modalities, probably m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:51 AM
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The implicit goal was to provide something better for women. Can you elaborate on how this would? On a more general level, does this mean more anarchy (less organized hierarchies), wouldn't this mean more chaos and asocial behaviors, and how would you deal with emerging sub-groups trying to impose their hierarchies?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:38 AM
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In Europe, not really. Maybe for nobility, but generally the daughter's preferences were definitely taken into account. And btw usually the mother was more involved in the arranging than the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:21 AM
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Why the "yet"? Maybe they have more of these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:15 AM
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But given a choice between one man who works 42 hours in his job and does 1 hour of chores, and another who works 35 hours and does 8 hours of chores, women overwhelmingly choose the first. You get what you fuck. And on average, men contribute equal "useful time" than women (slightly more), counting paid work, housework and childcare: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2013/03/14/chapter-6-time-in-work-and-leisure-patterns-by-gender-and-family-structure/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:04 AM
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Whenever there's a way to punish abusive men we do it. If we can put them in jail we do it. But as long as they find some woman to fuck and abuse they'll continue, the only efficient thing to do would be to make women stop coming back to them. And abusive men have more success with women than nice guys so your last paragraph doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:32 AM
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And the more you stay, the harder it becomes. Which is why it's particularly important to leave as early and as definitely as possible, the best being of course to not even fall in that situation in the first place - which means choosing better. Women choosing wrong can be very costly for society, even creating multi-generational dysfunctions. Men also but not as much. In pretty much all of human history, women's partner choices were heavily regulated, but today they're free. If we can't even te…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 09:12 AM
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In practice, this amounts to saying that women who stay with an abusive partner are a special case for which we should abandon common sense and keep funneling money and energy to the abuser through the victim. 7 times. This doesn't happen with men. They get mistreated once, we help them a bit and tell them "poor you, hope you'll get over it", but if they put themselves in the same situation again we tell them to stop being dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:28 AM
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Imagine your brother has a friend (let's say just a friend, not a gf) who treats him badly, takes money from him, insults him etc. Wouldn't you tell him to stop considering this guy as a friend? Would you keep telling him "ow, poor you, sure I can give you another 100 if you need"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 08:05 AM
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It takes an average of 7 tries for a woman to fully leave an abusive partner. [...] it’s always a case of “well she chose to be with him while ignoring all the guys that would have treated her well” If you see a man coming back 6 times with the same woman while saying she's a bad person and he's a victim, you're very welcome to tell him to just leave and stop whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 07:41 AM
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Historically, a big part of human masculinity was granted by the tribe. And the men of the tribe were united against the other tribes, so cooperation and honor were a big part of masculinity. Making this work in the 20th century with giant industrial nations was already a stretch, and atomic weapons were the final bell signaling the end of this way of life. Today we're all in a rat race against everyone else, and each man has to be masculine by himself. Join a union and eat the rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:15 PM
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I think women's social intuition is indeed slightly better than men's, i.e. they are more skilled at detecting men who are dangerous, masking their personality, etc. But there's a lot of confusion between their risk-avoidance intuition and their drama-seeking sexual arousal. And since the first is much more socially acceptable than the second, you have safe men rejected allegedly because of risk avoidance, which doesn't make any sense. If you want to make sense of women, don't listen to them, re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:49 PM
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So apparently there are more men in relationships with several women. There can be other reasons too: iirc the stat had an age bracket so maybe women are with older men, and it was just declarative so maybe there are "couples" in which the man considers himself single and not the woman. Whatever the reasons, there seems to be plenty of single men to choose from, and not as many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 08:44 AM
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If some men are in a relationship with 2 or more women, more men will be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:02 AM
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Haven't you heard the stat? 60% of men are single, vs 30% of women. So there's a much greater pool for choosing a single man than a single woman. Furthermore, if you compare the chosen men to the single ones, you'll find that women seem to choose worse than random for most of the things they complain about (pump and dump, domestic chores, DV, ...). This is the essence of the "choose better" criticism. If I have to choose between 3 laptops and I take the only one of the three that doesn't have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:58 AM
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Nice trolling. But I'm not interested in a pointless discussion with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 04:35 AM
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There's morality and morality. There's the "golden rule" morality: treat others as you'd like to be treated, which leads to don't kill, don't steal etc. And there's the "chattel management" morality, where society coaxes us to behave as good boys and girls with things like be prude, don't do drugs, brush your teeth, etc. There's some link between both, because the goal of the second is to make society work better overall. Everyone should want everyone else to brush their teeth and stay healthy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 04:23 AM
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That's constructive criticism, not madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:14 AM
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Why did you need to bring the manosphere in your post? You could have just said that AF/BB is a good strategy, who cares if the manosphere is mad or hates it? And btw they don't, in general. What's driving them mad is that women keep saying that it's all wrong and they must be misogynists for having such ideas about women. If you want an argument against AF/BB, on a long term macro level it doesn't work well. Enjoy the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 12:45 AM
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I don't like the term n-count. It's redundant. It should be either n or count, not both. Why not n-tally-s-number-count while we're at it? Would you like that? No, it's dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:12 AM
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If you're not willing to question what you believe and take into account that the experience of most men, as well as formal research on the topic, show preselection as very widespread, then yes, going back to the kitchen would be neat, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 10:50 AM
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What you're saying is that some weird women make moves on taken men too directly, too obviously. Normal women don't do that indeed, but they're still noticeably different towards preselected men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 08:25 AM
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It's not just a few weird cases. It's called mate choice copying by ethologists, it's been seen in plenty of animal species. So, in a way, if you don't do have it, you're the weird one. You can also ask men (except incels or Chads who've only experienced one side), it's really noticeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:55 AM
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People are rarely motivated to make a deficit... Capitalism is more defined by positive interest on capital, and private ownership of the means of production.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:56 PM
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And the worse is that all this grind achieves nothing. A few more people become billionaires, the ecosystem gets more polluted and depleted, and the middle class keeps becoming poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:50 PM
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Huzza, society is saved! Just be confident and charismatic, nice guy bros! Do you have a source for that btw? I'm curious to see the objective and methodology of measuring success with women while "controlling for confidence and charisma".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 05:36 AM
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If women had more children with beta nice guys, we could compare value of children vs lots of non-reproductive sex, but they don't, hot dangerous gangbangers have more children. For men, low academic achievement, low FTO, high DT traits, criminal record, being or having been a bully or a gang member, etc. are correlated with higher fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:41 AM
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That was a funny read, but a bit scary too. It makes me wonder if you could actually do these kind of things in real life, and if there's a significant proportion of people who could do it: live with someone, sleep with them, love them maybe, while at the same time planning power plays over decades. PS: in this case it probably wouldn't work because he'd be much more comfortable with austerity than you. Men love caravan park holidays, and a wife who mends clothes instead of buying new ones is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:17 AM
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You also need to count children born before the marriage. In the US 40% of children are born out of marriage, and according to this, "stepfather families comprise about 8.4% of U.S. married couples of childbearing age". Overall, no, beta nice guys aren't siring the next generation. As for getting women's resources and commitment, the other way around is more common. PS: "less than 5%" is awfully high for something as serious as paternity fraud. Imagine something like "sometimes surgeons perform …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 12:34 AM
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There are limits to what we can do with social norms: masculinity will always be characterized by competition and ambition because that's a direct consequence of the biological male role. So you can't really "prioritize vulnerability". But it can be very cooperative too, although usually this requires a common enemy. And you can't really transform masculinity without transforming women too. If the prevailing message about femininity is "women are wonderful, you're free to live your femininity ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:19 PM
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One more thing: women are more social and conforming. If everyone considers something to be true, women will consider it true, because they don't want to be ostracized and don't want their friends to lose face. Men are more likely to challenge the collective and investigate things by themselves. Since crowds are often more emotional and less logical than individuals, women are too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 08:10 AM
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Biologically, men are more simple. They want to spread their seed, the more they spread the better. Younger and fertile looking partners are betters, etc. Their sexual organs are simple too: balls produce sperm, dick ejects it. Having sex is always good, pure pleasure all the time. Their sexual desire might be intense and irrational, but they learn to live with it, it's just one parameter. Women, in comparison, have a whole lot of complex psychological conundrums. It's more about balance, compro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 03:17 AM
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Well, if that matters, I have 10", but it's unwieldy, it might be more comfortable for surfing but in the end it stays in my bag most of the time and use my simple 5" more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:06 AM
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On that topic, note that even for the covid vaccine, the WHO explicitly said that even though mass vaccination would be super useful, it should not be imposed, it still must be a personal choice. Then the governments everywhere circumvented the issue by making life impossible without a proof of vaccination, coercing everyone to make the choice. The health sector played along too easily in my opinion, I'm afraid this whole ethics thing is eroding, nowadays the financial perspective gets its way e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 07:12 AM
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It's not really a leftist thing. It's how the medical sector wants things to be. Ethics are an integral part of medicine, it has always been, even from Hippocrates 2000 years ago. Trust is paramount: the whole medical field rigorously makes sure that every medical act is in the interest of the patient not the community, and with their consent (whenever possible). The relation between medical professionals and patients is special and intimate, a bit like between a priest and a confessee. So, when…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:13 AM
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Well, when I said "I'd like to see a Black Mirror episode with this", it doesn't mean "I want this"... It's a tough social problem, procreation is a basic biological phenomenon that occurs within one's body, so it's beyond the scope of the law. But as you said, the contrast with how everything else is regulated is uncanny. You could add that you need a licence to breed koalas, or any exotic species, even though a koala is much less consequential than a human baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 02:57 AM
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Women giving their babies for adoption aren't willingly offering 18 years of payment. Maybe it's because the system isn't made for it, we could make something like a checkbox "Sign up for monthly payment (best for your child)" and see how many would use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:55 AM
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New federal law: abortion is banned for whites, recommended for blacks...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 01:50 AM
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In practice, women would either abort or leave the baby somewhere anonymously, maybe even kill it and burn it so the DNA can't be traced. It would be weird to willingly submit yourself to 18 years of payment for a baby you've given away.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:48 AM
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I'd like to see a Black Mirror episode where abortion is the standard medical procedure for pregnancies. You could opt out and keep the baby if you really want to, but they'd make you go through various counselings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:43 AM
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You could and should. With just that difference, there would be nothing to criticize in your analysis. (People might still criticize, but they'd be wrong).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:24 AM
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That's a recurring topic on ppd... As I already said, I think men shouldn't be forced to pay by default, but there should be a relationship contract much lighter than marriage, just a registration, which would make child support mandatory in case of pregnancy. So, if a woman doesn't want to risk being pregnant without support, she needs to make the guy register before fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 11:12 AM
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As other people said, the description of the analysis is misleading. The article says: "The GSS variable used was NUMWOMEN which asks how many unique female sexual partners a respondent has had since the age of 18." You don't need anything more to get a ratio between the number of partners of the 20% and the number of partners of the 80%, which is an interesting number, but it's not exactly the proportion of unique female sexual partners, it's unique pairings. The difference might be meaningful.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:00 AM
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Why is circumcision still allowed and why do men have a shorter life expectancy? Look, I just replied to "men have exerted control", I'm not gonna expand the debate further, you're way too annoying. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:42 AM
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When there was social control, sexually active men weren't praised, it was a sin. Today, sexually active men are praised and incels are shamed, because that's how women see things so men adapted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:13 AM
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Social control isn't oppressing women, and women did it about as much as men. Women didn't tell their daughters that it was ok to have fun with anyone they fancied. It's a luxury you can have today because of medicine, birth control, and a welfare state to finance you and educate your children if you end up pregnant and poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 12:57 AM
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Men have exerted control over female sexuality via social pressures for 2,000 years. It was society, not "men". It wasn't a machiavelian scheme from the evil patriarchy for the benefit of men, it was a way to build a more successful society than an uncontrolled one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 11:32 PM
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Good luck convincing a court that “If you don’t have sex with me, I’ll tell everyone we’ve been having an affair” is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:16 AM
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If there's no threat there's no legal coercion, lass.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 05:01 AM
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Legally, yes, unironically. The context needs to be taken into account, and it can matter that you said no at first, but if there was no threat it can't be rape. Otherwise anyone could say "I was forced to buy this product because I saw the ad 501 times, this is theft".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 04:08 AM
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Sir, Andrew Tate is the Manosphere. Before him there was Jordan Peterson, but he was bullied so much he fell into drugs, so now you get a cynical kickboxer who feeds from his bullying. Anyway, neither of them are the manosphere, they're just a part of it that happened to get noticed by the mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 08:08 PM
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Asking women is pointless, look at what they do. Women don't pick men anyway, they are picked by men, which requires game and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 05:36 PM
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how does a hate space against women help It's an uncomfortable thought, but I believe it does help by shifting the overton window. A book like Of Boys and Men couldn't have been written 10 years ago, no one would have published it and its author would have been cancelled. (I don't believe that manosphere is generally a hate space, I'm just answering your question)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 06:43 AM
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Let's take one example from the list he linked: Their entitlement to their husbands support even extended to the tax burden on their property and income--property and income their husbands were legally prohibited from touching. There were men sent to prison in the UK for tax evasion for being unable to pay the taxes owing on the property/income of their wealthier wives. One suffragette, Dr. Elizabeth Wilks even refused (as was her right under the law) to provide her husband with the necessary do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 06:37 AM
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I think globalism is a major disturbance compared to our past. Before, men were building each other, because the tribe was in competition with other tribes. Today, we're all in competition with each other - the closer you are to someone, the more intense the competition. Many men don't have even one real friend, someone who'd stay friendly when a woman enters the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 01:06 AM
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It's more than politeness, there's a strong part of either gaslighting or lack of self-awareness (i.e. gaslighting with preliminary step). For example, if you ask women about preselection, they'll downplay it a lot compared to how they behave for real. And more generally, women don't want to "give the answers to the test": their whole communication about their sexual behavior is much more secretive and often even misleading than men's. If a man want you to tickle their nipple in a clockwise moti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 12:34 AM
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Ideally, I think men should stop working in corporate jobs (leave that to women) and focus on doing real stuff. Like building a chicken coop, 3D printing a toy for the kids, changing the tyres of the car, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 01:57 PM
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Or was it 3 years ago? "Clinical, unjudging, open-minded curiosity" sounds a lot like autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:55 PM
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On this topic, note that we didn't send second sons to monasteries because their genes weren't as good as the first sons. We didn't send proles under cannon fire as a test of their gene quality. The excess guys that we, let's say, outleted weren't necessarily the "low value" ones by any meaningful measure, and nobody cared about their loss. I don't think it's radically different today: women don't care that much if the high value - low value hierarchy is meaningful and fair, if their choices are…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 07:58 AM
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I think Chad will have more consensual threesomes and less manipulative rotations. The Chad profile will be more varied: women will diversify their choices beyond tall DT "redpill-efficient" men, but the distribution of relationships will keep getting more unequal. It's hard to say what will happen within a few decades, because the socio-ecological crisis will become really acute (the price of energy and natural resources will keep going higher); there will probably be some return to more "provi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:05 AM
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biologically speaking, male sexlessness is normal and even a good thing, in regards to the gene pool. It's beyond good or bad: it works. It happens, and keeps happening. But keep in mind that "biologically speaking", murder, rape, infanticide, plagues and droughts are also normal. In nature (for apes) access to females is mostly determined by fighting. Sexless apes have a simple way up: they need to fight better. I reckon we'd like to organize our society in more sophisticated ways. Personally I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:37 AM
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Women probably dimly know in the back of their mind that approaching doesn't directly correlate with interest, but "he must not be interested" is a simpler and more pc thing to think and say than describing the socio-psychological reasons that make them prefer to sit back and wait for approaches. It's a bit like "nobody wants to work anymore": blaming a lack of motivation by the other party is always easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:27 AM
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A corollary of that is that psychopathy is a big advantage for men in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 10:36 PM
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What do you mean? In my imaginary situation there are. (Actually only 4 different mothers, just to have the same number of men and women). Do you want to say that these numbers aren't accurate for the real world? Of course not, I'm just illustrating a concept, the reality is more blurred. Actually I was curious so I just looked. Here are some numbers, from 2002: https://childtrends.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/2006-10MultiplePartnerFertility.pdf Eight Percent of All Men Aged 15-44 in 2002 Have…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 10:35 AM
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I do wonder why so many men seem to be able to walk away from children they create. You don't necessarily need a huge proportion of men walking away to have many fatherless children. Imagine the following situation: 90% of men don't want to walk away. Among them, 60% have 2 children, and among these 60% a third (20%) divorce, with the children going with the mother. The other 10% of men are serial fuckboys who have 5 children and always walk away. So, for 100 men, you have 40 families with fathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:47 AM
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People's autonomy over what food they choose to eat is more important than a nutritionist's opinion, you can't force feed people. But we can discuss on a macro level how to promote healthy eating and sustainable agricultural practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:06 PM
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The first one doesn't say anything about women giving sex to anyone. The second is about "voluntarily having sex with someone you're not attracted to". It kinda maybe fits my question, I should have mentioned "forced".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:50 PM
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Yeah, I keep hoping that one day we'll reach a stage where we can discuss if something can be done, but it's been years and we're still stuck with anyone trying to discuss the issue branded as an entitled incel who wants state-mandated girlfriends. Of the top of my head, here are some things that have been suggested: Lowering male births (encouraging ivfs to be female, encouraging abortion for male fetuses). Forcing immigration to be gender neutral (otherwise more male immigrants come in). Lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:34 PM
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Idk, my own response would be that social change doesn't work like that because the state has a monopoly on violence and they have the higher ground, which is overall a very good thing. I just find it funny that this topic is efficient at bringing out a contradiction in normies' discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:11 PM
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It's funny how on the topic of "violent incel insurrection", the reactions are divided between "It's so sad that you even want to do that, no wonder people don't like you", and "Bring it on, the men who have sex are better at violence, that's how we select them".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:58 PM
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Which entitled sex starved men are you referring to? Can you link 3 examples of posts or comments where someone describes sex as a resource that women should give away to people they don't want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:51 PM
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But you shouldn't believe women when they agree with you, you should disregard everything equally. I guess you're a woman? You seem to think like a woman: it seems automatic to you that when some argument is useful to you you're gonna use it, its legitimacy isn't even an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:58 AM
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I think it's more prosperity leading to more women rights than the other way. For your question about rebuttal to morality, you'd need to be more specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:47 AM
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And what is threatening others with shooting on plain sight because they want to stop working so much for your benefit worthy of? Strawmanning doesn't help the discussion, which I suppose is fine for you because you don't want this topic to be discussed. That's lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:26 AM
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Actually, nowadays on aggregate men are more productive than women. It's hard to measure, not entirely meaningful: what's the productivity of a financial manager, a teacher, a football player, a sugar baby? And of course the main difference is that women bear children and spend more time and energy domestically than professionally. Anyway, my point is that today single men are not only taking care of themselves but also taking care of others, in the sense that their net contribution to society i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 03:19 AM
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If you're fat, no. Otherwise yes. (Possible, not easy).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 03:06 AM
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This strawmanning doesn't help the discussion. It's a biological fact that men, in general, can't be happy without sex. So naturally they won't want to maintain a situation in which they don't have sex. When the poor have nothing to lose but their chains, they rebel. When men have nothing to gain but blue balls, they don't work. If that makes you misandrist, so be it, but it's still how things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 02:06 AM
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Don't play dumb, you know what I meant. Most men aren't politicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 01:35 AM
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You can't make people cooperate without coercion with a system that doesn't help them. Either society will deteriorate or there will be more coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:10 AM
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Men aren't considered the leaders in society. Politicians who get enough votes are elected and owners nominate managers to their capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:05 AM
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The USA is already takes in a greater number of immigrants annually than any other country on the planet. In absolute probably, but in proportion, USA is ordinary, well below countries like Singapore or Switzerland (nobody tops the Vatican with 100%, though). Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 11:54 PM
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It's one factor. But even if you take away the variability, if the below/above average percentages were equal, women would still all want the same men. I think the simplest way to see it is that women want to be chosen by a man who had as many options as she had (or more). Since men are much thirstier, this can only happen with a small minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 11:45 PM
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One more thing: when seeing women's "sex distribution" as a reward for some types of behavior, I think, if you take away the superficial orthogonal things, it mainly reinforces what's already rewarded. Take the example of Apple, which was founded by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. Wozniak is imo a better, more useful human being, but Jobs was more successful and high status. It would seem silly to criticize women for fucking people like Jobs more often than people like Wozniak. When society reward…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:58 PM
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I agree, but otoh "societal contribution" in the modern western society is undesirable. The whole capitalist system has to go - it had to go decades ago, we're retarded. Personally I'd be ok with women fucking men who help change the world according to the woman's values, whatever they are. I'm afraid they don't even do that, they just go for popular rich guys with good game.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 09:25 PM
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It seems to make sense, at least it seems that on average monogamy did help civilizations become more prosperous and successful. In my opinion, the problem isn't really the number of unpaired men, but the nature of the pairing process. If you have hordes of unpaired men, but you're in a situation where you can tell them "help society and you'll be paired", there's no problem. Unfortunately, women prefer takers than helpers, and when you have hordes of unpaired men competing to be the faster take…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 02:30 AM
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I don't think Robespierre was DT. He seems to have been very strictly dedicated to his convictions, with a high sense of honor etc. So like the opposite of DT. And btw, I suppose you're saying that because he's associated with the terror, but it's more complicated. The terror wasn't his choice, and continued after his death. It's been particularly associated with him because it was a convenient way for the bourgeoisie to discredit him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 02:20 AM
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Things were different at the time, relations outside marriage were not as common. I don't know about Lafayette, Robespierre apparently had a few liaisons but not a lot. His personality probably didn't help, he was all incorruptible, kinda religious in a way (not Christian).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 02:13 AM
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Rules and regulations aren't so relevant imo. If the trend is to ignore a rule, women are more likely to follow the trend than the rule. People who "die on a hill" to uphold a rule are usually men, women follow the crowd. (It's deeper than just being afraid of conflict, they automatically think like the crowd.) Of course women still follow rules more than men because usually the trend is to follow rules, but the "trendiness" is the relevant factor. About famous women saying wacky things impulsiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 03:48 AM
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Men are indeed in competition with each other, more intensely than women. It's rare for men to have friends who will stay friendly when a woman enters the equation, who will compete honorably and not use every edge they have on you. And women want a man who supports them, not a man they have to support. (A man who puts her down instead of supporting her also works, as long as he's "above" her).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 10:02 PM
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It's a vast question, but I'll give a short answer: men who would be good fathers. (Not necessarily rich, nowadays it doesn't take much to raise and educate healthy children). (And yes, I wish women would do this even for hookups with condoms. It's a philosophical stance, not a practical solution.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:52 PM
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I haven't read the book, but the idea you described is misleading. Being confident and straightforward only works if you're already romantically successful, and the preselection is the real source of attraction. If no other girl wants you, your confidence is absurd and your straightforwardness is unwelcome. It's like saying that having an expensive car is attractive: it just shows your wealth, which is the real source of attraction. If you're poor, renting an expensive car won't make you attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:47 PM
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Often they don't care that much. When reality catches up, they'll switch to another story-teller. They share the rewards more than the risks. Also, you probably notice the times when they failed to detect more easily than the bazillion times where they rejected a faker. About 110% of men overpromise and underdeliver.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 07:54 AM
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The weird thing is that the red pill as it was can't be mainstream. Even its name implies it: it's an inoculation of potent knowledge that's hard to swallow but will free you from the mainstream lies. Its philosophy relied on improving yourself above the mass of clueless frustrated chumps. When everyone's redpilled, no one is...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:56 AM
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The 80/20 is driven in a good part by the way women vet and rank men. Preselection, "needy is unattractive", conforming to the FSM, are all very female things. Men don't work like this. I don't know if they're more virtuous, but their vices are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:05 AM
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If I had 5 women, I'd look at them all and make my choice independently of what other men would choose. By definition the one I pick would be my top one, not my bottom one. I wouldn't make stupid vetting games aiming to disqualify any of them who appears needy. I wouldn't be impressed if one of them has already been married to many men and divorced them, and can get married again easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 12:24 AM
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Why would either one be a bad father? A 23 year old without resources still has potential to support his child and family. Absolutely. Resources are overrated imo. I don't know why either one would be a bad father, but as it happens women seem to find bad fathers all the time - including absent fathers. Why would she [take a real look at the bottom 80%] when she has the option to choose well from the top 20% that top 20% includes older men ready to settle down. Because she should question the cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 12:03 AM
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Are older men not creating a skewed dynamic by using their resources to outcompete? Are they not throwing a wrench in this natural order? Let's say a PPD angel sits a 27 year old man down and tells him he can either compete with as many resources as he can muster, or he can stay lonely and everyone will avoid him and treat him as worthless and disregard anything he says because he's an incel... My conclusion is PPD angels created the hell that is the current SMP. Anyway, pointing fingers at who …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 04:37 PM
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If you can talk about it on a forum full of strangers, you should be able to talk about it with the only person actually involved. It doesn't matter that much if you're the needy one or he's the lazy one, it's not supposed to be a trial, you're not supposed to compare his behaviors with a minimum set by some social convention. You're supposed to try to please each other and to meet each other's expectations, whether they're normal or peculiar.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:23 PM
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It's sad how women can dump their boyfriend for a trivial thing, that he could fix if asked, but that they absolutely don't want to ask - even though they have no problem describing it to strangers on internet. How can you trust someone enough to let him into your life and your body, but refuse to communicate with him? Why don't you at least try to make your relationship work? I suppose it's because as soon as you ask, it becomes a deal, something he can bargain with? You want someone who does e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:00 PM
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If you mean the full deal with a picket fence and a proper wife officially accepting that you have side chicks, yes it's rare. But there are plenty of less rare situations: a rotation of plates, several baby mommies with benefits, the main being aware but not "officially accepting" (she keeps plausible deniability), ... For this you don't need to be in the top 1%, on the contrary it's common in the lumpenproletariat.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:01 AM
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None of the parties involved are generally admired, but at some point you have to wonder why we're so intent on shaming two consenting adults for doing whatever they want behind closed doors. Besides, demanding resources for sex is rather common (it's the oldest trade in the world), and there's a whole spectrum, it's hard to decide where it becomes shameful. Should we shame every woman who wants her husband to have a good job? Who counts "having a nice car" as a bonus when choosing a boyfriend? …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 11:06 AM
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I think you have a biased view of a normal social human being. There are plenty of "normal" well-adjusted guys who stay single because they didn't develop the specific skill of flirting with women. Unskilled normality is boring and unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:50 AM
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You're simplifying the frustration of most men. The problem isn't simply that women want 666 men. They prefer antisocial (DT) men, they rely on preselection too much, they gaslight everyone about everything, they become single mothers by millions and don't see any problem in asking millions of taxpaying single men to pay for them... Things are getting worse for everyone and it's impossible to discuss how to make a change. Their only mantra is "men must do better" - while literally reproducing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:29 PM
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How are safe-haven laws a last resort to save the life of the existing child? Are you saying that women could just kill their baby? Men could also, but anyone who does that would be condemned for infanticide. Safe-haven laws exist because as a society we understand that some people's situation can be hard and we consider that it's more important to help than to judge, especially when a baby is involved, so we offer the option to let the baby be taken care of by the state. However, we only have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:55 PM
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Are you against safe-haven laws then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:52 AM
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That's a nice opinion on what people should do. But the real question is "in what circumstances will the state use his monopoly on violence to force a man to pay for a child?". Personally I think "a woman got pregnant" isn't enough. (Assuming abortions are legal, otherwise there's indeed no legal way out for anyone). Also, as I said in another post, I think there should be some government-approved relationship declaration, lighter than marriage, about as simple as changing a facebook status. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 12:46 AM
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It supposes that the lanes are fixed, and alphafing a beta can't work. I disagree with that: it's not binary, and people can change their behavior. Especially since men start from a situation where they have been betafied by society, so it's more about unlearning than learning. Actually it's not even exactly about learning, more about renouncing your hopes of a nice world, relinquishing the moral high ground. There's quite a lot of men who would do better with women if they did that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 10:11 AM
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Men already do better: statistically, the average man is better at not being violent and raising children than the men with whom women get into relationships and have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 06:56 AM
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It's the women's fault because the men are used to act like arseholes because that's all that have experienced because women pushed the healthy male role models away because they seemed wrong. It doesn't matter much which gender's fault it is. What we should discuss is what we can to change things: could we make healthy male role models popular so that women would select them. Unfortunately, the "femosphere" keeps assimilating any such discussion to bitter incels dreaming of state-mandated girlf…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 05:36 AM
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It's hard to say if evil men are more successful with women because women genuinely prefer them, or because their actions are more conducive to success. Many women say it's only the second. I think it's a bit of both (apparently some studies have shown a genuine attraction). But even accepting women's point of view that evil men are just more efficient and that it's not women's fault, I find their way of dismissing the problem too irresponsible. The only solution they seem to propose is that men…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 05:24 AM
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women don't actually have a choice, because men spent 10 thousand years selectively breeding them into tolerating and perpetuating patriarchal order. And of course in this view, men do have a choice, they haven't been selectively bred... It's annoying how feminism often aligns with a "men must do better!" philosophy, beyond reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:22 AM
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"People aren't like that naturally" isn't a logical consequence of the rest of what you say. Even the most alpha gorilla can groom his subordinates and share his fruits with them, and he has absolutely nothing to fear. As an evolutionary strategy, niceness is choosing cooperation in an iterated prisoner's dilemma, which is the optimal one at the group level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 12:17 AM
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You think nobody can just feel like being nice, they always have to be shamed into it? All niceness is performative and hiding the darker truer self?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:45 PM
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It's scientific if you do it in a scientific way, why couldn't it? If you want a lengthier reply, you can watch this: Are Evolutionary Psychology Hypotheses Unfalsifiable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:41 PM
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I think a lot of women's sexual choices can be explained by imagining that infanticide was common in early humans. Whether that's true or not is up for debate, but anyway child mortality was around 50% until recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:22 PM
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Stop spreading baseless slander about a scientific field, the real issue here is that you don't want people to apply the scientific method to study the innate parts of human psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:14 PM
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You can be a nice guy proud of what you are and not trying to hide, as long as you give space to others in a cooperative way you'll appear as hiding and ashamed compared to someone putting himself in front of others in a competitive way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:08 PM
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defending the downtrodden is a healthy trait but it is inherently masculine to do so, to prey on them and antagonise the weak is non-masculine. That's your subjective view of masculinity. Generally, people who help the downtrodden are considered less masculine than people who oppress them, and are less desired by women. It's easy to mistake kindness for weakness. In fact, kindness is, to some degree, a weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 08:01 PM
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There are incels who want a committed monogamous relationship, I suppose you want them to leave you alone? Do you want to have only men who can have sex with other women approaching you, and only for a committed monogamous relationship? And I suppose you want the commitment to last as long as you want and no more than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:45 PM
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Whatever "should" be doesn't matter. It's a free for all market, of course everyone tries to have their cake and eat it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:06 AM
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Women are the ones making men incels, and then treating them according to how they think incels should be treated, when they are the ones who created them in the first place. In general, people don't do what's right, they do what's in their interest, what they feel like doing. With today's dating environment, the incentives for each individual are to act in ways that make things worse for everyone as a whole. Such games "need" to stop, but they won't. Enjoy the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:01 AM
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Yes that's how it works, and men don't care about what sluts think they should do, just like women don't care about what incels think they should do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 09:49 PM
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Women are picky on some specific criteria that only fuckboys will pass, like a picky eater who eats only peanut butter and jam sandwiches. Then a lot of men can't find any girl to be with them unless they turn themselves into peanut and jam sandwiches, and inevitably we hear about it on PPD, how could we not? Virginity has generally been found attractive by most men in most cultures. After the birth control pill and the sexual revolution, things have been changing a lot for some decades, and tod…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 09:41 PM
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They have to push for it from date 1, otherwise women will break off (saying there was no chemistry). But "pressure and pester"... maybe you're not meeting the right men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 08:49 PM
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Exactly. Adapt, drop your preconceptions and watch what works. Btw, did you have other tagline jingles?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:58 AM
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I honestly think it could be in TRP's sidebar. It certainly would be in my ideal version of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:44 AM
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You could make another version of this post about men who have paid prostitutes. If the past doesn't matter, women shouldn't care. People can evolve and want different things at different times of their life. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 08:06 PM
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Women do go for less respectful guys. You're probably not mentally prepared to see it, but if you keep insulting people without working on yourself you're gonna look dumb trying to argue on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:08 PM
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Thanks! It's not a golden proof because it was mostly done for show, but it comforts my opinion: most men don't intervene when things stay low, but do when it gets serious. I wonder if it might be different in "sketchy dive bars and yacht parties" - in the places where the other commenter hangs out. I suspect that if men had the same level of reactivity in these places, they would quickly become arenas with men constantly fighting for women. And probably the main factor is that whenever there's …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:22 AM
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Mate choice copying is a common behavior, found in many species. It's supposed to have evolutionary benefits - choosing a mate is a complex task and if you can get a good one chosen for you it makes things easier. It would certainly be a good strategy for primitive humans living in the wild as apes. Today, those few men don't really have to provide more or fulfill more, the dating market just tends toward this automatically. If it's done smartly they should at least be better choices, but it's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:52 AM
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What some weirdos say on a weird internet forum isn't an accurate description of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:17 AM
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I remain sceptical. I'd like to see a hidden camera experiment. In a normal street or public park, one man and one woman act as if they're arguing, and the man slaps the woman. How do other men around react? Swap the experiment, with the woman slapping the man, what reactions do you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:52 AM
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The main reason that makes the dating market so broken is preselection. Women instinctively create a situation in which few men get all the pussies. That's what they're comfortable with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:41 AM
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That's weird, usually men are protective of women around them. And if a woman raises her voice or reacts, most men will side with her. Maybe as long as the situation stays low, men don't want to intervene because if they do it will inevitably escalate. Whereas women can be quicker to react to anything. I'd be interested to see some real experiments on this. (Because, to tell it frankly, I'm sceptical of your description).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:25 AM
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Some studies have shown that misogynist men have more partners. Buy maybe they don't radiate the vibe, idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 01:47 AM
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Can you link some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 06:14 AM
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Will it happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:19 AM
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They don't directly compete as much, but they often still approach dating as a competitive exercise in which they have to prove their value by seducing the most desired men. It's a component of preselection: the FSM status that comes with being a man's girlfriend is part of what makes him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 07:14 PM
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So how did these narcissists attain power in the first place? Men. Are you so sure of that? It seems more to me that they're only admired by men because women fuck them and if women had never fucked them in the first place, they'd be unknown. And most men don't "worship" them, only a minority of losers do, the rest don't even like them. Better examples of men liked and admired by men would be Lionel Messi, Elon Musk, Steve Irwin, Hayao Miyazaki, ... People who are seen (rightfully or not) as hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:58 PM
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People are never entirely free to be with who they want, and love isn't just a magical butterfly that appears or not, it's also a decision, and something you build. Today, the main influences on women's sexual choices are preselection and the FSM, you'd be very welcome to make women more free and less controlled by society, it would make their choices more egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 09:38 PM
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I'd prefer if it was allowed. But we should have a relationship contract lighter than marriage but still imposing paternity obligations. A kind of governmental facebook where you can declare yourself as in and out of a relationship at the touch of a button. If a man hasn't done that, the state won't force him to do anything for a child. Btw, this governmental facebook should also serve as a public parental registry, listing who has children with whom (along with custody and child support status)…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:13 PM
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That sounds plausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:33 AM
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Not all incels. Some see themselves as supreme gentlemen. It doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 12:23 AM
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Not exactly to like yourself, but to have the kind of sexual confidence that you're talking about. There are more than 1 or 2 out of ten men who like themselves, even incels often do in some way, but if it's not backed up by sexual options, it's not really usable to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 12:15 AM
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In other words, RP men are, by their own logic alone, heartless arseholes and creeps. Yet this makes them good husband material?!?! It's not their fault if women want to marry heartless arseholes. If they didn't fuck around, they'd be doormats who don't know what they want and don't they have their life together, and therefore bad husband material. Enjoy the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:28 PM
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The funny thing is that it's not really feasible for a man to have this personality without having a lot of sexual options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:18 PM
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This discussion hinges on different experiences so we can't progress, but yes I'm right. One more thing: even if we agree that men do want more emotional support etc., your attitude of "do it on your own between men, women have no reason to help you" is rather sad. Imagine if we lived in a primitive world where pterodactyls roam around. They're deadly against one person, but a group of ~5 trained fit men can fend them off safely enough. So in this world, any trip longer than 100 meters or at nig…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 10:18 PM
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It's more likely imo that she was irresponsible, but he knew what he was doing. I'm probably a bit harsher than most on this, I don't even like the whole concept of serial monogamy, and this is a good example why: assuming she hoped to stay with him, he deceived her for 10 years, and the end result is that he's in a better situation than before while she's in a worse situation than before. (Maybe she didn't hope to build anything with him, but it seems unlikely: she could have partied with Chads…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:18 PM
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This conversation is going in circles. In my experience men don't complain much about lack of emotional support etc. And it might not be "sympathetic" to women that men only want affection from women and not from other men, but it is so all the same. Maybe it's "their own choosing", maybe it's biology. Anyway if it was different, it still wouldn't be much different: men would still want affection from at least one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:51 PM
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But the cultural left has exclusive conception of what a "Man" is. You mean no exclusive conception?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:09 AM
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Men tend to have an overly optimistic opinion of themselves, RP men perhaps even more (they try to act confident). But your guy seems to push that very far... Honestly, from your description, I find it sad that a guy like him had a girlfriend for 10 years, and then a relationship with you, while other worthy men get nothing, it makes me want to urge you to dump him as enthusiastically as the FDS harpies would. At the same time, I know I shouldn't judge a guy's life by what his disappointed gf te…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:33 AM
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You should watch "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind". (It's not about the social consequences of doing this on a large scale, it's just a nice poetic movie with this theme).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:19 AM
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Yes, I'm saying a romantic partner is the only way most cis men want to get affection. (Or their children, which presupposes a romantic partner in the past). I also think that men don't miss affection as much as women do, but if men around you complain about it, idk. Generally I have the impression that the way you describe the mix of things that people enjoy from their friends is a female way. Men have different friendships, and maybe they provide each other more than you realize, because they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:14 AM
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Oh, I didn't want to say that only girls bully girls, I just happened to want to focus on that. Violence by men on women is comparatively more known and understood. I think you can't really compare your experience to what makes men incels. The defining point for them is many years without sex. They can even have some good friends during all these years, that's not really the point. And men's libido is incomparably stronger. But I do think that men are more primed to handle bullying, although it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:04 AM
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I didn't say "they can't because they think it's gay", I said "usually men don't want much affection from other men". And no one cares that you claim they need to stop complaining. Men are free to desire and complain if they feel like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:07 PM
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I know it's gonna sound misogynist but I really think we should discuss more the abuse/cruelty between women. It scares me to think of the effects of the kind of bullying you suffered. I don't mean the effects on one individual (that makes me compassionate, I'm sorry for you, but not particularly scared), but the effect of the threat on the population. As you say, it’s not easy for anyone to be alone, we aren’t supposed to be anti-social, and it's probably worse for women: they're biologically m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 10:07 AM
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You hear men complaining that they can't rely on other men for warmth and affection? That's unusual, most men don't want much of it from other men. (You're free to think it's homophobic). For intimacy it's mixed, but for support, they should indeed be able to and it's a problem if they don't. About not being themselves around each other, I'm not so sure that it's more common in men groups than in women's. (And btw, it seems more common in groups of sexually successful men, which supports what ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:52 AM
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the first thing any decent human being would do is seek alternative routes for human existence. Not stew in a paradigm that can literally only be of use to 1% of all men. I wish people thought like this, it would make it easier to progress past capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 05:31 PM
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I actually think so too - and from what I read it seems to work well in Finland where they do it. I was just pointing out that it necessarily goes beyond helping women in abusive relationships. And when you add the question of undocumented immigrants it becomes even more ambitious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 04:59 PM
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If you want people to be able to leave abusers, the way to do that is by providing judgment free resources for them to do so. I'd like to live in a society that does that, but it implies giving free resources to everyone. Nobody in the street anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:36 AM
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Maybe because casual sex tends to have a terrible effect on society? Reminder: TRP's advice is "enjoy the decline", not "complain about sluts".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:26 AM
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The rest is more geared to be successful for casual sex than for marriage. Anyway mothers-sons communication isn't particularly relevant for this topic, my point is that 20 years ago the whole messaging to boys was different. But I think mothers are more likely to encourage their sons to lift today if that's what you were asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:03 AM
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Any man that is against women testing their partner, especially if he considers himself a redpiller, is dumb. That's like saying any woman that dislike short men is dumb. Many men just don't like being tested by their partner. Especially not in a "shit-test way". A lot would be more ok with their partner saying things like "prove me you're strong by opening this jar", or even "don't contact me for the next 3 days if you want our relationship to proceed to the next level". They're neither right n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 09:09 AM
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I'm not sure that the gender difference is the most relevant here, age certainly matters much more. (I.e. you could also ask your mother or other older female relatives).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 08:56 AM
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Mothers haven't been telling their sons "lift, make bank, hone your social skills, and you'll have a lot of enjoyable casual sex". The old BP philosophy, against which TRP appeared, was more like "be nice, be honest, treat women as equals, and someday you'll find the right woman for you". (Today, BP messaging integrates the possibility of casual sex or at least serial monogamy, but is there really still a BP? Things are different now, the whole metaphor isn't very meaningful anymore).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 08:44 AM
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That's a very interesting post, thanks. A big part of the question is what kind of communication we're talking about: men don't seem to be bad at writing a scientific article, or doing a financial presentation, or even directing a movie. But even in the context of a romantic relationship, are men really bad communicators? Actually many men similarly say that women are bad communicators: they expect you to read their mind, they're needlessly conflictual, ... And similarly, when the women want to,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 08:27 AM
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explain to me why men also markedly fare worse at this in their platonic and familial bonds with other men But what is "this" exactly? Men de facto have interpersonal relationships, how do you judge they're not good at it? What's the metric to measure? The number of phone calls? Providing a safe freeing supportive loving affectionate space? Men generally don't ask all that from other men. They ask for other things though: getting things done, providing new ideas, being useful, being inspiring, .…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 07:25 AM
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Nobody cares about your life, mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 01:02 PM
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Sexually successful men can't hang out with sexually unsuccessful ones because it would lower their value by association. Otherwise, at equal SMV, I think it's true that men tend to have more diverse friends than women. Jocks can be friends with musicians, nerds can be friends with goths, ... I think what happens is that women are more gregarious, more conformist. It's easier for a man to bring a weird friend who "doesn't fit" to an otherwise homogeneous group, because he doesn't care too much w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:28 AM
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The same could be said anytime anyone says that something is masculine or feminine. For example, it annoys me when people consider extraverted men to be more masculine (especially since extraversion is statistically more feminine). If you stretch your argument, you could even say that a low hip/waist ratio doesn't define feminity and a woman who doesn't have it isn't less feminine. Or the same with height for men. Ultimately, people don't have to justify their sexual preferences, and often genui…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 10:18 AM
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You should be more precise in what you want to say; "sociable" isn't the opposite of introverted. You can be extraverted and antisocial. And "social personality" doesn't have a very clear meaning. I don't know if a "perfectly balanced" society would be possible or even definable, but I also think that our current western society leans a lot towards outgoing/extraverted personalities. As the situationists said, we live in a spectacle society. On top of that the main form of spectacle today is mov…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:00 AM
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Yeah, for normies (and particularly women), it's all power plays all the way down. Btw, it's also worth noting that women are more interested in things and people as relative to each other, vs as intrinsic entities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 09:31 AM
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I don't know what scare has to do with it and it's not about me. Men don't value abstract emotional connexion with each other as much as women do. They "connect" more by working together on a shared goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:19 AM
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If you mean relief that a strike is averted, it's not sure yet. The unions representatives have accepted the deal, but it also has to be voted by workers, and they could very well refuse. There are problems with sick days for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 02:43 AM
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Well, imo it only shows that there should be more men. I think part of the issue is that blue collar "male jobs" have seen a drastic decline in union membership, stronger than other industries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 02:22 AM
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It doesn't matter. It's still a support group / social connection, and it's a better one for men than a group where they would talk about nothing and pat each other on the back.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 01:46 AM
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It's also internet, the nichification of things, the SMP making competition more intense, ... And a lot of young men have close friends, it's weird to say they're not social beings. There's plenty of ways to be social: a mmo, smoking weed with your buddies, posting on social media, are all very social activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:56 AM
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Men don't want to connect emotionally and sexually to each other, they want to work together to achieve material improvements to their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:42 AM
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CMV: the best support group / social connection for men is a union
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:02 AM
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Why? It seems very irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:02 PM
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Congratulations to the railroad workers! 11k average per person bonus immediately, further pay rises for 5 years, and better working conditions in several ways. That's how it's done, y'all. If you stand together, they'll pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 04:50 PM
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I wonder if such a contract would even hold. Would a judge agree that if there's a signed contract saying that the inseminated will absolve the inseminator of child support obligations in case of pregnancy, then he indeed doesn't have to pay?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:54 PM
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That's wild. A fair monetary compensation for the suffering of an abortion would be at most 1k$, of which half should be paid by the man since the responsibility is shared.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:46 PM
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Are you saying that the justification for making men who don't want to be fathers pay child support for 18 years is that an abortion would be too traumatizing for the woman, because of hormones?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:27 PM
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Nobody in the clip said that this issue would have to be solved by unpaid individual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:15 AM
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Do you think we should stop all assistance programs for single parents? DV shelters? Education grants? The people who benefit from them aren't your family, so they're not your problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 02:06 AM
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Try to get a purpose. If what gets you apathetic is that the future doesn't look good, the most normal would be to make the future better. Get into politics, join the fight to help mankind move past capitalism and save the planet. It's not very likely to help you much with girls, though. Other possibilities: be self-employed, and try to become rich and employ people. Travel the world. Write a book. Reach 2000 Elo in chess. Become an AI-art composer (I mean the AI produces the art but you're the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:19 PM
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The fashion industry and the FSM's values changed a lot, men's tastes probably changed too but not as much as you'd think. A lot of 90's men liked big butts, and the semi-anorexic models fad was always a weird artsy thing that didn't appeal much to most cis men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 10:56 AM
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But that's how nature works: males want sexual access to females, and try to disrupt any situation in which they don't have it. We shouldn't censor that from the discussion. It's however just a tendency, it's actually not the first thing men try, and the main threat today is them checking out, not becoming destructive. The real issue is that if we can't harness this "compulsion to try" in prosocial ways, we're gonna be outclassed as a society by others who do (China probably does that better for…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 09:17 AM
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WW2 killed about 3% of the world's population. The USSR/Eastern Europe (up to Germany) have the deadliest stats. For the USA it's only 0.3%.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:44 AM
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mateless males just do the bare minimum on their own to survive, away from the pack. Usually, they actively try to take down the mateful males.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:31 AM
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Society also changed in a way that women are more apt to overcome adversity. To put it shortly: women are better at dealing with people, men are better at acting on things, and today everything that matters is social, things are managed by machines in the background.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 08:27 AM
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One possible explanation for why women don't acknowledge it much is that preselection isn't as specific to dating as we think: women are generally more likely to be influenced by other women, for everything. I think there's research showing that they do it more for dating, but this study: Human mate-choice copying is domain-general social learning found an influence as strong when judging men's faces as when judging abstract art. So, to women, the concept of preselection might seem weird because…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 07:01 AM
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Yes, it's a higher proportion than non-criminal men. I don't remember anything about out of wedlock in particular, but criminality is correlated with more children, more sexual partners, ... I'm sorry I don't have any link right now, try to google it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 08:32 PM
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Well actually, the sexually successful men are are more likely to be dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:27 PM
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Maybe, but there's more than that, preselection has been observed in many other species. (Ethologists call it mate choice copying, not preselection).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:23 PM
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Taking what you want without consideration for the consequences on others is indeed being a jerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:33 AM
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Plausibility matters more than truth to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:55 AM
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It sounds nice until you realize that the dna that gets disproportionately replicated is actually worse. (For men, DT traits, low fto, criminal history, lower education are all correlated to higher number of children).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 11:37 AM
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You were suppose to understand all right away, if you have to learn you are not a real deal. All social skills are learned. From shaking hands and tying your shoes all the way down to talking and walking. For some, childhood/teenagehood put them on the right tracks to obtain sex from women, others have to learn later, which as op says is much harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:27 AM
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I read what you wrote, which was entirely one-sided. Even your title is. I could've been more descriptive on male problems Yes, you could, and you didn't. Like almost all mainstream speech, you focused only on male guilt and female problems. Go on, make a post titled "I understand the hate towards women" with 5 points. Then you can tell people that we all should look at both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 09:22 AM
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Women HAVE been oppressed for centuries. Men too, and the past is past. Suicide stuff Men commit suicide much more than women Pay gap According to wikipedia, the adjusted pay gap "taking into account differences in hours worked, occupations chosen, education and job experience" is 95%. The remaining 5% might not be any injustice and could be explained by men being better at whatever they choose to do because they're more ambitious, stronger (it still matters in some jobs), more focused, etc. Jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 09:00 AM
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Be careful about the affirmative consent stuff. It can be crippling if your son doesn't have just the right way to do it / the right situation for it. Most girls love plausible deniability and expect boys to lead and take risks, including the risk of being labelled a creep.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:30 AM
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Going from "child-looking girls receive more tips" to "they are more sexualized" is a big assumption. For all we know, the difference could come from women with motherly instincts, or from men who want to reward the waitresses with a blander look because they don't want to be distracted from their dinner. If wearing pigtails unfailingly triggered extra male lust, more women would wear pigtails. That being said, sexual instincts can indeed be very immoral (women's ones too). It's what we do about…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 10:01 AM
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I'm with the other guy on this: why mad max fury road? Are you saying that Max is sexualized yet domesticated? Within a few hours of meeting Furiosa he beats her in a not even fair fight and takes control of her truck... All without any noticeable sexual tension, despite a bunch of prime breeder slaves around...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:42 AM
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Guys who are dark triad don't worry about being rejected and go for it when many of you don't so they get in relationships more. Doesn't mean women want them more at partners. That's actually debatable. There's even a study already posted on this same page that found the contrary: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245. Anyway, even taking what you say at face value, I think women need to better realize that today they are entirely responsible for their sexual ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:29 AM
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Their preferences will always change to ensure that a tiny minority are the most attractive men. They don't need to change their preferences, preselection achieves this automatically. It's a builtin feature of women's selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:41 AM
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I do recommend it. The science fiction themes shouldn't be too overwhelming (it's not about space lasers and alien telepaths), and the depiction of an anarchist society is done rather well in my opinion (not just mine, many critics agree). I can't think of any other book to recommend about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:27 PM
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I think they're kinda starting but it's hard for men to organize about men's rights, any man who tries looks like a misogynist whiner, no woman will fuck him anymore. Imagine if 5 years ago a celebrity tried to advocate that: it would have been career-breaking. Today, perhaps less, hopefully it's slowly becoming possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 02:04 AM
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Imagine if a maternity hospital has some troubles keeping track of babies and sometimes swaps them between mothers, and then says "oh, just stop caring about it, grow up".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:45 AM
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You can’t get rid of possessive pronouns without restructuring language. Fun fact: it's one the themes in The Dispossessed, by Ursula Le Guin, an interesting novel about an anarchistic lunar society - in which they tend to say "the friend, the mother, the husband".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:43 AM
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I've never, literally never, heard of a paternity dispute where there were zero problems in the relationship (i.e. red flags). It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, only that it stays silent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:32 AM
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Preselection makes a huge difference. When women know you're accustomed to getting laid, they'll do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:25 AM
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If sexual selection was done in a useful way, I wouldn't be far from agreeing with you, but it's not. Preselection/confidence makes things very chaotic. Extraversion and height are overrated. DT traits are even worse. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:05 AM
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The fact I bring up the top 20% thing as an issue implies I disagree with it of course. Are close to 80% of men miserable and those who aren’t are exceptions? I don’t think they are. That's the only question that matters. You should make a post about it if you want to discuss it. What I think is that 80% isn't an iron rule, but there's truth in the general idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 11:57 PM
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And the fact that you use a snarky remark as an explanation about the life of thousands of people shows that you're just focused on the narrative you want to push.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 11:51 PM
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And yet most parents always advised their daughters to marry. Do you think people in the past didn't love their daughters?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:36 PM
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Isn't getting dates by bargaining pardons to prisoners more creepy than refusing to do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:30 PM
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And what if it does? The real question is whether the 10-20% thing is true or not. TRP tries to explain the world to men who didn't understand it before, what they do when they believe the explanations is up to them. They can become bitter and even commit suicide if they want, it's their choice. (But then it's called black pill, TRP advises to lift and improve).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:19 PM
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Nature's way is that men are diverse and women choose. You can't remove traits from the whole population of men, there will always be all kinds of things in there. The only thing you can do is to put men with the traits you want in your life, and put their genes in the next generation. Regarding the main issues to you, it doesn't seem that women are doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 11:18 PM
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The problem is that these issues can't be seen in a one-sided way, there needs to be a balance, it's easy to go too far to one side. And if the "pro-male" arguments can't even be articulated because the social penalty is too high, you won't know if we've already gone too far or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:40 AM
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If the other option has a chance of sex without dick-cutting, then it's probably better. But if you present things like this, then autistic women can also try their 100% at having non-abusive relationships - failure doesn't have to mean they get abused, just that they stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 07:26 AM
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Some topics involve women. For example family law, paternity fraud, affirmative action in favor of women, ...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 07:16 AM
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Generally, and on this topic even more, what women like or dislike isn't as important as people think in dating. When a man performs the mating dance correctly, the woman lets him fuck her, even if she doesn't like it (I'm exaggerating, of course). The most relevant factor is that autistic people can't perform the mating dance, not that women dislike them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 07:07 AM
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Being single and safe is better then easily date and getting abused. You don't have to date, you can always choose not to. Having a choice can't be worse than having no choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:58 AM
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In what way would you want to hold men accountable? We are already shaming the men who abused women, and legally condemning them when we can. We spend public money on advertisements campaigns about respecting women. We try to promote a white knight mentality in all boys, through social messaging, movies, etc. Blaming women for not picking better men is also part of this effort. You have one biological job: choosing the genes of the next generation (ok, there's a second one too, nurturing the chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 08:22 AM
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Why never c? Well, imagine a group of people of both genders chatting about life and things and relationships, and one man says a (lift). What happens? He might seem a bit like a douche but overall it's ok. Imagine he says b (find your purpose). It's generally very well received. However, if he says c (hit everyone, live with an abundance mindset, females want males that other females find sexy), he'll be shunned. He'll probably never sleep with any of the girls who heard him. That's why people …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:35 PM
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If he had to do something and he failed, he would be disliked, but he doesn't. What men have to do to pass women's vetting is tied to a particular society, and our society puts a strong emphasis on social skills. In other societies they don't matter as much, indian women might appreciate it as a bonus but they don't demand it, they have other things to care about. (Some could conceivably even be a disadvantage: a funny extroverted guy might look too much like a fool, someone who'd make a nice fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 03:22 AM
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Your basic description is rather obvious, I don't see how anyone could argue against that, but you're overstating it. A lizard brain can't directly by itself judge someone's sense of humor, for example, because lizards don't laugh. They don't talk neither. The modern emphasis on social aptitude is tied to our modern context: some men that are rejected as too socially awkward with "maladaptive energy" could be accepted in a different culture (imagine some stereotypical indian tribe where men just…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 01:44 AM
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In the service of a cult of drug facilitated ego deaths. It would be glorious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 05:24 PM
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By "like the Bene Gesserit", I mean they don't yield the full political power, they are an influential religion that tries to sift people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 05:15 PM
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That escalated quickly, op only asked for scientific experiments! I like your vision, not in a way that I would want it to become true but more as a science-fictional universe. But I'd prefer it with a prevalence of neurotypism in the population high enough to keep things chaotic, either because the autistic overlords never took full power, they're only like the Bene Gesserit in Dune, or because they consider the neurotypicals as part of the environment and try to rescue/preserve them too. It wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:49 PM
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I'm not sure if it fits your question because it's not very extreme, but I'd like reliable data on paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 06:46 AM
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It's funny how women say that men are a drain who need too much support and that single men are single because they're worse than others. But by definition single men survive on their own without support...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:38 AM
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That's debatable. You could also say that people don't require much from strangers, while the position of partner comes with a package of duties and high standards of behavior. If an acquaintance doesn't know your birthday it doesn't matter, for your partner it's different. If a stranger deliberately insults you, you usually care much less than if it's your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 11:25 AM
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men or RP men just want “women to acknowledge that dating is stacked against men”, but this does nothing to change their plight. Yes, it does. It's the truth of their situation, a situation they have to deal with (hopefully by solving it, otherwise coping with it). Knowing the truth helps them, hiding the truth from them hurts them. (Some nitpicking: dating is stacked against some men, not all. And RP doesn't have much to do with this theme). If we say that no one “deserves” a partner, if that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:19 AM
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At least those guys had the decency to pretend to love me for a little bit. But that's worse. That's machiavelian, and arguably much less decent than being honest about not loving you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:52 AM
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Female Social Matrix. You know how women like these TV shows where people build alliances, bitch about others behind their back, use underhanded compliments to make social challenges, and communally enforce what each of them can or can't do? That's like a made-for-tv, high-contrast, high-saturation, high-speed representation of what the FSM is in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:58 AM
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The difference between the male and female photos doesn't matter, unless we're discussing the importance of preselection by men. There are other studies if you want (there would probably be much more if it wasn't something that puts women in a bad light), and it's also something that a lot of men know by experience. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26181063/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25622338/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24907050/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:55 PM
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I think it's more likely that most of the replies are sincere, but on each question the sample of women who reply is restricted to the ones for which the truth is socially correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:44 PM
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Yes, there is preselection. The more scientific term is mate choice copying, it's been shown in humans and plenty of animals too. Here's one study for example: https://archive.nytimes.com/tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/do-single-women-seek-attached-men/ When the man was described as unattached, 59 percent of the single women were interested in pursuing him. When that same man was described as being in a committed relationship, 90 percent were interested
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:41 PM
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With the way this question is framed, the most socially correct answer is to say no, so you have most replies saying no. This post: What if your partner can't do any better than you but still loves you for you? asked a similar question in a slightly more interesting way, but anyway asking doesn't work for this. Preselection and the FSM are more important than what women say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:11 AM
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You certainly had men interested in you, but they didn't show it. And maybe they would only have been interested in sex. What do you want? Many men interested in you and showing it? One man marrying you? A few dates leading to nothing? Without knowing, my advice would be to make a profile on a sugar baby site and see how men are not only interested in you, they'll pay for your company. You could even sell your virginity for cash if you want some compensation for your years of loneliness. There's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 01:23 AM
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And I've found women to be more likely to make things up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:51 PM
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That's easily explainable: outliers are always more bullied. I would also suspect that they might consider as bullying some behaviors that men consider as normal among colleagues. (Unfortunately studies about bullying often use self-reported measures, which imo is problematic.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:25 PM
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Arranged marriages were the dominant method until recently This doesn't mean that the daughter's preferences weren't taken into account. Liz Bennett's marriage in Pride and Prejudice is an arranged one, it's still a love story.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:33 AM
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We don't know exactly about hunter gatherers, but if you look at apes, the most successful males are the most beefed up ones. Intra-male competition is often more important for males than environmental pressure (being healthy).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:26 AM
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Afaik, studies tend to show that if women are more bullied (if, it's not clear at all), it is by other women, while men bully equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:17 AM
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No, men help women coworkers more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:17 AM
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TRP is basically teaching clueless men the reality of female attraction and sexuality, and that women are not men with vaginas. I don't understand what you're referring to when you say that people here want women to act like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:15 AM
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First, what you mean by "treat better" is fuzzy. If you mean being confident, communicating well and having good clothes, then by definition unattractive men are unlikely to treat women well. You could do the same with money: if good treatment is inviting her on luxurious dates, then poor people can't do that. But all this doesn't say anything about the intent to make her happy, only the capacity. Then there's the concept that niceness is unattractive while DT traits are attractive. You might di…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:12 AM
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Fwiw, I think today we do it much more on men's side than on women's side. And when things like TRP tell men that they don't have to comply, it's seen as very destabilizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:21 AM
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women as a class being dependent on marriage to survive was a structure of oppression. But this was never the case. They could also be prostitutes for example. Their parents could feed them. What happened was that before the industrial revolution, almost all lower class jobs required a lot of strength and stamina, and even men working at them didn't earn much more than the strict minimum to survive, so that wasn't an option for women. Upper class jobs were often somewhat more restricted for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:08 AM
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Interesting question. I don't have any answer. I think it's worth pointing out that women's interests can differ from women's natural inclinations. It is in everyone's interest to brush their teeth regularly, but people wouldn't do it without a strong training about it during childhood. In the same way, it could be in women's interest to associate with men (because it brings balance, children need a father, etc), while not being what they would do naturally without social coercion/conditioning. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:30 AM
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That's not so simple, it's actually a philosophical puzzle. Imagine some guy who's basically a saint, he goes through incredible hardships and mistreatments but keeps being a saint. But then some day he's starving worse than ever, he's gonna die if he keeps behaving like this, so he stops having morals and steals food. Was he "never an actual ethically sound person to start with?" Does his behavior make you sick too? Or is it acceptable because the threshold above which he stopped was high enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:06 AM
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You can assign different meanings (more like connotations) to each if you want, it's not wrong but it's still mostly mental gymnastics to avoid the real discussion. Now we'll have to restart the question by asking "is kindness attractive". The answer is no. A guy who takes public transport because he wants to save the planet is less attractive than a guy who burns whatever he feels like, no matter how you name that. Niceness/kindness is too correlated with low social status (in ape societies, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:58 AM
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This dating coach seems to agree with you. She says among other things: Now that you are clear about what qualities you have deemed unacceptable in the past, embrace the fact that the man you will love will have at least one of these qualities. Nature has a sense of humour about this. Give every man two dates, whether you like him or not Of the happily married women I talked to, half admitted not liking their husbands on first meeting. But for some reason they gave them another chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:40 PM
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Of course most replies choose Dario, what's the point of asking? OP, you need to watch what women do, not listen to what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:51 AM
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I think your experience is representative of a lot of men, but not all. If you had confidence, preselection and a social circle containing other sexually successful men, you'd have a very different experience. There's an awful vicious circle about this: if you're among the ones who have it easy, it's really easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:47 AM
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Lying for men is a bit like makeup for women. They say they don't like it, but it still makes you much more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 09:39 AM
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Some day we should make a monument to celebrate the unknown autist. The guy for whom "netflix and chill" means netflix and chill. Without his sacrifice, we would be doomed to a constant euphemism runaway, which would prevent any linguistic stability and ultimately destroy our ability to communicate. God bless you, unknown autist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 09:36 AM
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Reason can be applied to analyze everything, even dating. Ethology/evopsych are real sciences. If aliens decided to come discuss with us on ppd, they could have interesting things to say. we all have something loosely resembling logic, which is a small structure in the middle of a swamp of fee-fees. Is that how you see yourself? That's not how I see myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:07 AM
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I’ve had to break so many friendships with men because I’ve seen how they talk about, treat, game and trick other women. There's a selection bias here: men who don't game and trick women can't even reach their social circle, because they're in competition with the men who do. Even women game and trick other women all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:57 PM
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You could frame this in the symmetrically opposite way: when the only solution that people can conceive to fix a problem is unpalatable, they refuse to even acknowledge the problem. And this is a bad mental habit, you should always look at the world with open eyes. The more you understand something, the better chances you have of conceiving ways to fix it. And even if nothing can be done, at least you have the intellectual "closure" of knowing why it's so, which helps to cope with it. There are …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 12:33 PM
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I'm curious what people would argue the reasons are that governments shouldn't do this. Governments are controlled by the owner class, who wants more productive taxpayers to profit from, they don't care about making people happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:54 AM
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It might be "sex and culture", by J.D. Unwin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:03 AM
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Confidence is neutral. And success in business can be detrimental, with the way we're doing business today. Bitcoin mining burns energy for rigorously no value - and that's just an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:55 AM
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That's actually quite a deep issue: there are no other societies anymore. We live in the post-atomic era, global humanism is the only society. In the past men's competition was us against the other tribes/nations, and some experiments show that men tend to be particularly cooperative when their group is in competition with another (for ex. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17362372/). Today it's each one for himself, so this doesn't work anymore. Anyway if there were other societies, then what wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:49 AM
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Talk with your friends about wingmanning, then go hunt girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 04:30 AM
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I agree with most of your comment, but "men need to actively DO things to show it off" isn't quite accurate: it sounds like the purpose of your doing is to reveal some aspects of your self, but, especially when dating for STR, it's not about you, it's about her. In a way, the less you reveal about you, the better. You should really see it as a set of buttons to push to get results, not matter how much women claim you shouldn't. If someone goes fishing and doesn't get enough fish, you might tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 01:48 AM
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Well akshually... the lyrics mention "otechestvo", which means "fatherland". Might be because they wanted people to identify the country with Stalin. It's also possible that Russians use motherland to emphasize the concept of the natural land, with an affectionate personal relationship, and fatherland when it's about the people, the government, the official entity. And since this version is actually the hymn of the USSR, not of Russia, motherland wouldn't work because the personal relationship w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 07:59 AM
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If you're referring to my comment, I wasn't describing myself. Yes I get your point, but breaking the circle can be a whole quest, "just fix your self-esteem issues bro" is easier said than done. It's like saying "domestic violence only happens to you if you let yourself be a victim, just change your mindset". It's true, and it's always a good thing to say to each individual, but if you want to look at the problem on a social scale, it's not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 02:15 AM
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Desperate doesn't imply self-esteem issues. It also doesn't imply that you aren't genuinely interested in people and don't value connection. Anyway of course you can break the circle if you work on yourself and do the right things in the right way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 10:27 PM
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She did say "Call out other guys that make women uncomfortable", i.e. step up. And as I mentioned these behaviors come from a minority of men, so this is actually the essence of her message. She isn't talking to the minority of men who behave like that, she's talking to all the others and telling them to police their own ranks and clean up the social environment to make sure it is comfortable for her. And by the way, as a general principle, asking men to do less is naive, because they're the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 03:54 PM
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Imagine a non-confident man who, for some reason, believes she's interested in him. Maybe she acted interested before, maybe he was told by someone, maybe he just has that deep intuition that the world wouldn't make sense if she didn't. Then she acts like this, but he's not confident and/or socially skilled enough to overcome it. Now he wonders if he did something wrong, if he was lied to, if the world makes sense. Saying he's "hurt" is debatable, but it will mess his brain. It'll probably leave…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 03:34 PM
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But if you're a single loner desperate for conversation, you don't get many opportunities to meet and mingle with other people. You're not invited. Which makes you more desperate. A kind of vicious circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 01:03 PM
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Call out other guys that make women uncomfortable. We do that a lot. I think all the examples you listed are seen as bad behavior by most men and only a minority will do it. Otoh, women can make men uncomfortable as much as they want. Just a few posts above, there's a woman telling how she enjoys messing up with men's brains by "making him wonder why I’m being so nice to all of his friends besides him". Nobody cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 12:33 PM
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Reproduction is what defines life, so sex can pretty much always be seen as the root motivation behind anything. For war, especially the ones that occurred a long time ago, it's often more obvious than for, say, agriculture or science. But it's just hard to disintricate the percentage of sexual motivation behind anything in a meaningful way. Take the example of a roman citizen enlisting in the legions and going to conquer some barbarian lands. If this didn't bring more sex in his life than stayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 09:31 AM
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There's a kind of vicious circle with this. When relationships evolve naturally it works, and when it doesn't it's hard to make it work, both on a micro and macro level. Single needy men will get softly repelled from a group containing romantically successful people, and women will tend to avoid groups containing too many of them. And when flirting opportunities consciously become a strong motivation for unsuccessful men to join a group, it exacerbates the problem even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 08:14 AM
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Not sure neither, I was drunk. I guess the idea is that if as long as there are more male politicians than female, women are gonna say nothing is their fault, take what they can and give nothing back, then men should just forget about trying to convince anyone to change and just make things change by force. I don't totally agree, but I do think that more men should realize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 10:45 PM
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Basically you're saying "women will just keep fucking the men in power, if you want a revolution, do it yourself". I totally agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:25 PM
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Now that women can provide for themselves Can they? Aren't men net tax payers? Isn't there a lot of jobs where men do the bulk of the work? The current situation relies on extracting a lot from unsatisfied single men. This doesn't happen in nature and is inherently a form or coercion. And this is the problem for "men that don’t want to step up their looks". Their natural incentive is to work against this system, not for it. And on top of that you add insult to injury with these kinds of posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 05:16 PM
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I don't see how why being manipulative would be incompatible with humanity? Men are horny beasts, they're still humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 07:51 PM
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Wait, are you surprised that they aren't around you, or are you explaining that they have no place there?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 07:44 PM
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For real, it's not so easy for below average dudes to even reach the social circle of average gals. They're often relegated to sausage fest environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:53 PM
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You can see it as shyness but I think it's more general, women sometimes seem to enjoy being more distant than normal when they expect (and want) a guy to make a move. A kind of negotiation tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:30 PM
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Maybe. You also have an ok minimum wage, which attracts quite a lot of immigrants. Anyway the potential foreign sugar babies don't care that some Australian are poor, or that the wealth is attenuated by the cost of living, they only care about the wealth. It means our rich are rich Technically, it means your medians are rich (compared to the medians of other countries).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:04 AM
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Certainly not all. One factor to consider is that the men who wouldn't are less likely to be in a relationship in the first place, because this type of willpower/lack of impulsivity is unattractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:55 AM
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Of course we can control our urges if we need to. But when the deal is solid and the favor doable, why would we?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:34 AM
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I don't care too much that there are haves and have-nots, that wasn't my criticism. And a meritocracy sounds nice, but capitalism isn't, especially if you define merit as doing what's useful for humanity (we need sobriety more than growth today).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:20 AM
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Sorry I wasn't precise enough: by richest, I meant highest median wealth per person. Australia is second, behind Luxembourg. (Data here)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:10 AM
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How much your friend likes his girlfriend should also be in the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:58 AM
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Your mom
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:24 PM
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It would be interesting to know how many of the women are Australian and how many are foreigners. Australia is one of the richest countries on earth, maybe second after Switzerland or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:52 PM
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Maybe you would stop touching too if you lived with this dog.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:39 PM
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What a bunch of pussies. Real men don't need no emotional stuff, they just bottle up and deal with the storm. (/s)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:36 PM
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A lot of American women also say they don't see any of the RP theories being true in the USA. If you ask the men, it's different. There's even an Australian youtuber, Alexander Grace who makes videos about RP theories. I would be very surprised if preselection/abundance mentality isn't a factor in Australia, if AF/BB doesn't happen, if game doesn't work, if women don't do shit tests. I could imagine that lifting might not be so important due to cultural differences (it might even have become les…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:19 PM
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What would you think if supermarkets asked black people to pay an entrance fee because they have a bad reputation as thieves?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:39 PM
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Fwiw, I found this post more interesting than most of what I read on ppd. I can easily believe that it doesn't turn women on, but it's far from boring. Your comment, otoh, I find boring. Condescending, off topic, just an empty social posturing. (In case anyone wonders, this doesn't mean that I agree with OP. Disagreeing is part of what makes it interesting).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:15 PM
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Capitalism doesn't mean "let's recognize that it takes work to make things", it means that capital receives more capital. It means that rich people get a share of the next guy's work because he didn't have capital. Today, it also means free rides for the rich, in the form of less taxes, government subsidies and convenient legislation through lobbying. And the world being destroyed is worse than a formula for disaster: it's a disaster, happening right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:49 AM
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It's hard to say if it's most or less than most, and not very meaningful anyway. But apart from this quantifying issue I think what bikerbats says is basically right. Managing to not appear desperate/needy is one of the biggest challenge in dating for single men, and failing can easily lead to being discarded for no apparent reason like you describe (fundamentally, the reason is empty: you're unattractive to her because you're unattractive to others).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:17 AM
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Seriously, even when you see the world being destroyed, lobbies corrupting governments, the dream of mankind reaching space being squatted for a dick contest by tax-avoiding billionaires, healthcare turned into an industry like any other - if anything better than others because clients have no choice but to pay... you just think that leftists are divorced from reality? I think you're in an abusive relationship with capitalism. You need to realize that we need a divorce from it, not from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:38 AM
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One example would be the memo guy from Google.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:24 AM
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I've read that tiktok is even worse for this (mostly I think because their algorithm is more inescapable, youtubers can always get some clicks by themselves). Some lesbians are calling themselves "le dollar bean", which comes from a funny automatic pronunciation of "le$bian". I'm not sure if they do it for fun or to avoid the shadowbanning or both. I'm even doubtful that any of this works to avoid shadowbanning because it seems trivial for the algo's masters to add some new terms every week. Any…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:21 AM
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It's not impossible for men, it's just rarer, it comes less naturally, it doesn't work in the same way. Men have more competition with each other. It doesn't prevent cooperation, but it makes it hard to share your vulnerabilities. If you take a group of single men who are initially friendly with each other and you introduce a single woman, competition can easily take precedence over friendship. I know there's competition between women too, but it's really not the same. (Btw, men are also much le…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:14 AM
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Typical AITA post: "I (M) said something disagreeable to my wife (F). AITA?" - "You're an absolute asshole, and the fact that you have to ask is proof that you're irredeemable." I think it's hard to judge on something like this: according to him, she's too lazy, but we can't know if his perception is justified. For the one event that he described (sleeping while the baby cried), her behavior wasn't exemplar, then him losing his temper was stupid but forgivable (I assume he loves his baby), and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 07:05 AM
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Prostitution/SB Selective abortion of men. (Not all men of course, just tuning the gender balance to something that works better). Or alternatively, producing a wide supply of fake low value male robots. They would act as NPC, to satiate women's left-swiping instincts, so that choosing any of the real men would feel like a strong selection. More drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 02:07 AM
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But you can do all that for people who depend on you! You just have to do it for other people's children. The only thing you can't have is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:03 AM
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Thanks for posting that. I often find the discussions on PPD depressingly dumb, it's nice to be reminded how worse it is elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:44 PM
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So you're saying that if a man is trying to assault my sister I should let him because he's a man and I must not hurt a man to benefit a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 07:03 AM
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You said "he kinda got me with the paragraph he sent" Anyway I don't know about your situation in particular but it's very common for men to act in public like "yo I'm a tough heartbreaker, bitches don't mean shit to me" and all lovey dovey in private with one or several girls. It works. It makes them feel special.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:59 AM
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It's impressive how women can find this double-faced tricks attractive even when they know about it. It seems so unmasculine to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 01:43 AM
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Anyone with 150$ or a gun. It was exceptionally cheap because it was anecdotal, if it had spread the price would have gone up. You can't be bro to all men, for the simple reason that some men aren't bro to you and will throw you under the bus. The natural balance is that your bros should throw them under the next bus in retaliation. I wasn't particularly talking about hurting some men to benefit women, more to benefit other men. But as it happens I would also hurt some men to benefit women (I li…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 11:20 PM
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Ok, I saw your example. It's anecdotal. If you make it a whole system to sell women to the highest bidder, then rich men buy harems, quite a lot of poor men are single so they'll become violent so the system becomes more repressive to the point of slavery. (That's not conjecture, that's history). There's no Team Man, masculinity isn't a team it's a competition. I don't think it makes much sense to say that men shouldn't "accidentally hunt" DT men. DT men are the first to "accidentally hunt" othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 10:57 PM
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Would men be sexless losers in a society run by DT men? Yes, except the rulers. If you sell out other men, maybe you deserve to be rejected by women. Where have you seen women rejecting someone because he sold out other men? Where have you seen someone being rejected because he "deserved" it? And how am I selling out other men? Because I said that DT men would suffer hunting accidents?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 10:14 PM
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they are the kinds of guys who ALWAYS had very difficult times with normal women That's a shaky assumption. First, betabuxing used to be more valued. And also, women's preferences can be influenced by society. For example, how do you know if spectrum-like behavior was always as handicapping as today? Our modern gynocentric hypermediatic society could very well make it particularly despised. And would violent abusers make women wet all the same if there was no domestic protection services and no …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 11:10 AM
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Because they want to be around people. They can't think by themselves very efficiently, they need to see how people behave and copy it. Particularly how people behave towards their man, but also how they dress, what they talk about, ... They also want to be seen and admired, they enjoy the validation. (You can see it as a preparation for branch-swinging, but it's more primal than that: if they're perfectly happy in their relationship, they'll want to be admired as a couple, because what's the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 05:15 AM
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We don't really know, they didn't write so all we know about them comes from descriptions by the Romans. They were probably more "dueling" and less "line holding", but it seems they had at least some bows and a lot of slings and javelins.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:33 AM
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Not as much as you'd think. There isn't weight categories in fencing sports. Anyway ancient warfare wasn't a sum of duels, it was long battle lines of people with spears and shields, plus archers, strategy, logistics, morale, ... Roman legions didn't conquer the world because their soldiers were stronger and more aggressive but because they were more numerous, more disciplined, more organized, ... They were able to do stuff like build a double wall to protect from both inside and outside in a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:20 AM
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And anyone with autism gets that you're not replying to what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 11:01 AM
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In this post: When is explicit(verbal) consent ever given by women you have basically a lot of women saying "it's very common, I like it a lot" and a lot of men saying "it's the surest way to kill the potential relationship". There was also a post some time ago about preselection, where a man asked if being seen with another girl was beneficial for dating, and it was the same: most women saying "no, I lose attraction if a guy is already taken" and most men saying "of course, it's the surest way …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:23 AM
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I'm not a well studied historian but keep in mind that there were several crusades, that the people who participated in each one were diverse, that every small fiefdom in Europe was practically an independent state with its own rules, that we don't have a lot of reliable documents from this time, that people tend to record the unusual more than the usual (if you see a "man bites dog" news article from the past, it doesn't mean that everyone used to bite their dogs), ... All in all, it's certainl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:11 AM
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It's more that DT is attractive in itself, in a way a good game can overcome a lack of DT. But a strong component of game is showing that you're able to lie. And it also helps if you can show that you're not too respectful of things that would hold you back, that you're generally enjoying life, that you're able to shut down your sympathy for the weak. Think of it that way: women have to be subservient to their partner and devoted to their children. So it seems only fair to them that in exchange …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 05:37 AM
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Exactly. Imagine if all network admins started saying that all their on-call hours need to be accounted and properly compensated because it messes up their family life...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 03:03 AM
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Actually, it's all a plot to make sure that the nerds aren't distracted by a family. They're too important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:46 AM
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Still funny. And if someone takes a beer in your fridge without asking that's literally theft. And I'm not your guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:44 AM
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You're funny
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:37 AM
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You can choose to stop being nerdy though. It's hard, and it's sad to have to do it just to please girls, but it's often the best choice anyway. Some boys realize this when they are 5 and stay away from nerdiness, some realize it when they are 20, which makes it harder, but it's never too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:17 AM
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No, awalt
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:55 AM
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Fat is entirely my interpretation (if she wasn't fat she would have been with someone else), and I turned "ongoing sexual relationship with living arrangement" into "he hosted". Full story here if you are interested. (Warning: it's very cringe).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:44 AM
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I don't understand how people say that the antiwork mod is a serial rapist. I've read the facebook stuff where he said that once he had sex with a drunk girl who later regretted it, and once he put a girl's hand on his penis. I haven't found anything about any rape? (The second is a sadly funny story btw. If I understand correctly (there might be some interpretation on my part), he hosted a fat crazy bitch who quickly stopped fucking him once she was in the house, so he started masturbating but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:22 AM
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Reminder: when they speak about "men" they mean "tall confident men with a good career that isn't in IT". Others don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 01:10 AM
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You can go further and assume that everything men do is either to get into some woman's pants or to support their children. It's not totally true, they also play video games, but it's a helpful assumption. So in this case you should have known indeed, especially since apparently that's what PPD told you. And I suspect that you did know, and that you purposefully kept the mood during the trip unromantic so you wouldn't have to hear anything about it, to keep plausible deniability. Which led him t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 11:48 PM
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I think it's a good idea and 80k might be too high. The dad owes basic support, and should want to share his wealth with his children, but it should be his choice. I wonder if it would automatically make all rich men less attractive: hoes wouldn't see them as a guaranteed wealth provider. It might be a reason why the system is like this: laws are made by rich men who want to let women know that fucking them is a sure investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:22 PM
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It's not simply regulation though it's technology Yes, and they go hand in hand anyway. There's a stronger need for regulations about nuclear power plants and ogms than about windmills and crop rotation. to be a successful business you need 100's of people, each with highly specialized roles And again, both technology and regulation amplify this. You need an accountant using expensive software, your IT manager needs to be aware of consumer privacy laws, ... That being said, there's a trend of "o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 01:52 AM
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That's an interesting point, and you can extrapolate it a lot. Today, everything is complex and controlled. You can't fix stuff, because everything is specifically designed to be unfixable. You can't build anything worthwhile, because you'd need a permit, for which you'd need training, during which you'd learn that the best ways to do it require specific expensive equipment. You can't go fishing, because all the fish are dead or toxic, you need to buy your fish at the supermarket from controlled…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 11:35 PM
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I know would much much much rather have a average guy who treats me super well Ok, but how would you treat him? Maybe you'd actually treat him right, but you're unusual. Generally, simping isn't a good strategy for average men. Hoes ain't loyal, they'll just take from you without reciprocating. if you’re struggling to date because of average looks or whatever reason , showing you’re really dedicated and loving is a great way to set yourself apart. It’s a delicate art [...] It is indeed very deli…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 07:54 PM
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Even after a test shows that they aren't the biological father, men are still mandated to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 01:54 AM
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I would say that the absence of protection against paternity fraud, with men still mandated to pay child support, is on the level of women's suffrage. Otherwise, if you care enough to support equality at least in theory and in what you teach to your children, that's good enough for me :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:50 AM
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With this mentality, men could setup a handmaid's tale society and say "you get what you fight for, if you want rights, fight for them". White people could enslave blacks and say "it's because we formed a successful political movement for white supremacy, you just have to do the same". If, when you see an unfair inequality, all you can say is "they didn't fight hard enough", you'll get a very belligerent society. In this case, I think you mostly say that because you know that it's harder for a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 11:37 PM
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Some men say very nice things about women to their friends and encourage good behavior. There used to be more, but they didn't get much sex, so they got rarer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 08:45 PM
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I think it's worth noting that inflicting suffering on others does indeed make most people feel unwell. It's for example an issue for people who work in slaughterhouses. It's also a basic principle of buddhist philosophy. FDS, as usual, frames the topic in a stupid way, but the topic could be interesting. Women's biological role makes them subservient towards dominant men and compassionless towards oppressed males, which can be tricky to reconcile with any ethical philosophy. In a way, this touc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 11:10 AM
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The way society treats paternity fraud is a sharp reminder that problems that affect only men are negligible. If there was stories of malpractices in maternities where babies would be switched between families, nobody would criticize mothers for being upset about it. Nobody would say "it's such a retrogade view of parenthood, genes shouldn't matter". It reminds me of the last James Bond, where his daughter might not be his, and it's supposed to not matter. He even says "she's perfect because she…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:50 AM
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As a guy, if you can’t present to me as someone likable and that I might like to buy a beer, I highly doubt you can pick up all that many women. Maybe you think like a woman? I'd totally buy beers to many men whose personality would be found unattractive by women. In fact the confident funny kinda assholish type that has the most success with women is pretty much the ones to which I would be least likely to buy a beer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 08:13 AM
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Ok, but people don't care about what you value in your head, and I still don't see where's the projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 06:16 AM
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And as I already said, no projection is required. Men care about what women reward, not what women wish to encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 05:34 AM
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That doesn't answer the question, especially if you take into account the context in which I said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 04:58 AM
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I kinda agree, but it isn't for men's benefit, it's for society's benefit. Most men prefer a hard truth to an easy lie. That's why the red pill spreads so fast. (It's also not entirely a perverse deception, it can be explained as just a delay in adjusting to the switch from monogamic enforcement to contraception and female agency).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:24 AM
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How did I project what men value onto women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:55 AM
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If you ask a random man to choose between being the disposable one and the marriage one, he'll choose disposable. If you ask a random woman to choose one for a random relationship, she'll choose the disposable because he has preselection and he's more happy and confident. If there's an argument between both men, the marriage one will be called a loser and the discussion will be a victory by ad hominem for the disposable. It also answers your question about how it's problematic: the incentive for…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:41 AM
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On an individual level, I can easily believe that you can live your life without facing a lot of negative consequences from the paradox. It's still a paradox, and on a societal level, it's more problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:21 AM
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Your value is determined by others, though...not yourself. I don't get what you mean by that. It doesn't contradict what I said? On the contrary, it acknowledges that what determine the value of men is how people treat them, i.e. disposable men have higher value. And someone giving you what you want doesn't mean they value you. They might not value you in the feelings in their head. It doesn't matter much, you still get what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:15 AM
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You can take away reproduction matters if you wish, it's not enough to remove the paradox.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:06 AM
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The marriage guys bring more value to your life, but you bring more value to the disposable guys' life. No projection is required. As they say in Batman, you will be judged on how you act on the world, not on how you feel inside your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:04 AM
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I don't know, but it would be smart of you to factor relevant things in when making decisions in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 01:51 AM
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Manosphere men acknowledge the aversion more than socially correct men, but the aversion is universal. It's called the cinderella effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:48 AM
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It's not symmetrical, being used for sex is more advantageous to men than to women. There are biological reasons like STDs and pregnancy, and they are magnified by social norms: a man being used for sex by many women is biologically successful and socially praised, a woman being used for sex by many men is biologically unsuccessful and socially shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:39 AM
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Intelligence isn't sexy. It's a beta quality that losers need to cope while winners are out there enjoying life. It turns you into a hopeless risk-avoider who sees the world as it really is. It makes you decide to not have children because there's no rational reason to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 12:23 AM
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Saying that they "crave" it sounds extreme but it's an interesting topic. A man lying is a bit like a woman using makeup; at least he made the effort of presenting a facade that she could desire. And women are much more appreciative of social skills than men: being able to manipulate people with bluffs and half-truths, to navigate tricky social situations without losing face, is something that men despise but women genuinely admire. And, as glarkin said, they want plausible deniability: they pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 06:28 AM
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Okay, can we agree that you're not even trying to listen? Just re-read my previous message and re-reply in your head "ridiculous, women don't have to have sex with you", we don't need to write more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 10:57 PM
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You mean that for pragmatic reasons, it is in the best interest of society to make sure that people are fed, because hungry people "taking charge" of their feeding would be problematic? What if we had ways to make sure that starving people can't possibly make any trouble? Let's say the police is super efficient and every shop is protected by metal doors; hungry people can charge all they want, they'll just be tazed and die. In that situation, we wouldn't owe food to anyone? Whatever mix of pragm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 03:22 AM
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People will die if they don't eat Why does it make such a difference? You seem to assume that we owe other people what they need to survive, but we could also let them die.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 01:44 AM
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teaching young boys about the prevalence of paternity fraud First we'd need to know the prevalence of paternity fraud, and we don't. I think general human ethology should be more researched, and indeed more taught. But probably not in the general curriculum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 11:00 AM
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To be clear, I would also be betting on two ops against one fencer, what I was saying is that it wouldn't require extreme outsider odds to make me switch, and that whether the fencer is male or female doesn't make a huge difference. If you think it's easy to close the distance and turn the fight into a wrestle, you should try it. Go to any fencing school or hema group and ask for a duel. A sword will always move faster than you, and they've spent countless hours practicing the art of keeping it …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 12:24 PM
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I repeat: when women spar with men the result isn't entirely one-sided. It's not an estimation, it's an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 11:19 AM
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Yes, seriously. There are no weight categories in fencing sports, because size and strength don't matter too much. There are usually gender categories, but when women spar with men the result isn't entirely one-sided. And a real no-rules fight wouldn't be entirely different, it's quite hard to grapple someone who's waving a sword or a spear at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:48 AM
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Soldiers aren't taught to "take out two SF operators in a melee fight with bladed weapons that aren't knives" because this situation is an oddity in a war (even before firearms, battles weren't duels). But the question was whether a woman could do it, and yes, if she has trained for this type of fight and they haven't (even if they have trained in wrestling), it's totally possible, and being a woman would only be a mild disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:43 AM
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Staying alive is indeed the most important. But if your instructors expected you to fight with bladed weapons often, they would have had much more extensive skills to teach you (and then you'd wear armor, and probably use a shield). You can go to any kind of fencing school, kendo dojo or hema group, you'll see people who have trained for years and keep training. It clearly makes a difference, and I assume that some of them would be expected to win - and stay alive - against two beginners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 08:00 AM
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Knives are probably different, but with other bladed weapons skill means quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 07:28 AM
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You shouldn't group hth and melee for this question, blades make things drastically different. Skill matters a lot more, being a woman is only a mild disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 02:24 AM
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I like how one of the comments say "the more involved in planning you are, the more likely it is that he'll ask you to go 50/50". It's a refreshingly candid description of women's avoidant behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 03:10 PM
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Yes, this path has problems, and I assume that many men who choose it would have chosen differently if society was setup differently. But today, the path of marriage and children is even more problematic. First, if you aim for it without abundance mentality, you'll be seen as needy, some other guy will make children with your sweetheart, you'll stay single and pay for them through your taxes. If you do manage to find someone to marry, you risk a deadbedroom and divorce. We can't even be bothered…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:54 AM
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Redpillers are supposed to define their goal themselves. Some choose an LTR. It's not very common, or not very celebrated, partly I guess because the group has some bias, but also because fucking as many girls as possible does less damage to men than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 02:39 AM
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"Being into them" is vague, they might not know exactly what your intentions are - you probably don't know them yourself neither, you have no real intentions at this point. If you're just into being taken for dinner, it would be a waste of their time and money. If they make a move but make it badly, there can be social consequences for them. Basically, you have a passive role which is relatively easy, they have an active role which is comparatively risky and costly, so it's inevitable that you'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 02:43 AM
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It was probably more true when he was a boy 50 years ago, but even then, analyzing it as an artificial misogyny that perverted society is short-sighted. First there's a good deal of natural angst about it (girls have cooties). There's some necessary conditioning to help the boy grow into a sexually successful man (behaving like a girl will get you nowhere, you need to lead them or they'll reject you). And there's also a conditioning made to turn the boy into a man who's useful for society (we to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 02:10 AM
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Can you clarify your question? It doesn't seem to make much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 01:11 AM
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Not all, but most of the ones who have sex, yes. The ones who don't will obviously be less successful in dating, and every success or failure is compounded by preselection, confidence, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 11:23 PM
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Sure, but in a dream society where we would all be angels singing the song of creation in perfect pitch and harmony, there will be no shame
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 08:01 AM
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That's a weird idea, every thing humans do is subject to shame, judgement and pressure. But we could probably tend towards less of them. It seems like a good thing to tend to in theory, and in practice, in the current environment, I'm clearly in favor of it since it would reduce preselection and hypergamy. (Women receive more shame from sleeping with a beta than with a Chad). I kinda get a feeling that what you mean is that men shouldn't shame/judge/pressure women, but that you have no objection…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:43 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "over". Do you mean a q4m like "would you prefer to have a free use of random women's pussy but you never see her (it's a kind of gloryhole) or to have a loving wife but you never have sex with her?" I suppose most men would say they prefer the second, but if they actually tried it, after some time most of them would breakup and go for the first. If you don't believe me, don't ask ordinary men, ask incels, or any man who has had very long dry spells. Lack of sex tur…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:25 AM
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1 (just keeping them all) sounds like a good deal for me. When I watched 7 sisters I found it weirdly arousing to see 7 versions of the same woman. I'd have to work only part-time because of all the sex I'd be having. Unfortunately I'm too nice so I'd probably try 4 (reusing the machine).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:52 PM
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This is why we can't have good debates. There are questions you don't even want to hear, and if somebody asks them you immediately turn to ad incelem. (I don't know OP and I haven't read the whole page too much, it could be that you're actually right, but his initial question and the way he wrote it don't justify such judgement).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 03:24 AM
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Does the "mental gymnastic" story make sense? If yes, the ordinary question makes sense too - it's just less relevant, diluted by other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:46 AM
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The other women don't speak his language, they can't find him charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:43 AM
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Maybe there are women in the world who could want him, but he doesn't manage to find them. In his country women didn't want him because he's from a lower caste and poor. His only chance was to get glory in war, and instead now he's semi deserter so his prospects are very bleak. In your country, women can't talk with him and they don't like him. They might find him physically handsome, if they actually looked at him and saw what's under his soldier's clothes. But it won't happen, and he's gonna l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:42 AM
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I just described a scenario where he isn't disgusting but no other woman wants him, but apparently you don't want to discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:05 PM
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Do you mean that there can be no attraction without preselection? Imagine that you live in some isolated country, a foreign army has just been passing by and one of the soldiers was left for some reason. He's seen almost as an enemy - although your country isn't technically at war with his, the army was just passing -, he barely speaks the language, his presence is tolerated but nobody wants him in their home. He's hot and charming, he ticks all your boxes, and you happen to speak his language.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:04 PM
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The ones who have issues with dating are just labelled as not emotionally mature. (With some reason, although maturity might not be the most accurate word).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:51 PM
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I don't know the racial or income distribution of incels-tm. Generally today social prestige isn't directly linked to race or money (which sounds rather a good thing), but disrespect for the lower men is still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:39 PM
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The problem is larger than what people usually call "simping". Even TRP teaches men to dance to women's tune, and if other men do it, you have to do it too. To what degree it's a problem is another question. If everyone lifts, it seems the world would be better, but what if everyone takes steroids...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:31 PM
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the promotion of self sacrifice for the interests of those who see men as expendable tools This is weaker than before, but it's still the norm. If you replace "those" by "women" you have BP. I'd like to add on this point that hopefully we can keep promoting self sacrifice and altruism, but to be honest, without out-groups to counterbalance, it doesn't seem to work very well. disrespect and unequal treatment of women, and in a larger paradigm, of men lower on the social hierarchy Treatment of wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:17 PM
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I wait until the next full moon, and catch my spouse while she's in werewolf form :) Or, if the ponds looks nice, I'd ask the empress to turn me into a frog too. No more taxes and worries, a fun jumpy life... At least until humans decide to turn the park into a parking lot. If you're still wondering if there are other subs to post these questions, maybe r/writingprompts would be happy to see them. But it's not supposed to be question/answers, it's idea/short novels. And I hope you'll keep postin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:24 PM
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A robot frog would be fun. Bonus points if you make it able to swim too. Super bonus points if it can transform into a prince when you kiss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 10:42 AM
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Do you really collect frogs?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 10:03 AM
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Love is more important than fairness. If the situation was reversed, I'd understand that my wife would look for the twin. And she lied to me for 30 years, so maybe it's all fair, it was her karmic fate all along. I don't know what the twin would think, she'd probably be married to someone else. It's worth a try.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 09:41 AM
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I'd first go check if by any chance my wife's twin is still alive
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 09:02 AM
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I've been thinking that a characteristic of the SMP is that contrary to normal economic markets, it doesn't regulate itself through supply and demand, because needy men are unattractive. In an ordinary market, being needy means you'll accept less and/or pay more, which stabilizes the market, but on the SMP this doesn't work because the more needy you are, the less you have to offer. To illustrate, let's use a fixed-sexual-ranking (FSR), defined by ordering the population: the worst 10% have a FS…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 07:40 AM
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they literally FORCE women not to consider a mans money for a relationship lol I don't think this word means what you think it means
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:50 AM
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I don't see why the Yanomami particularly support your claim? Yanomami women aren't captives. [They need protection and food]. You don’t have to chain them up to get them to stay Well that's exactly what Jax was saying? Given the circumstances in which they live, women choose this arrangement of being companions for some men (40% of men, according to the stat).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 01:26 AM
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It reminds me of the GoT quote: "A man can own a woman or a man can own a knife, but no man can own both." It helps that it's a fictional setting where presumably a woman could get away with (or after) killing a man, in real societies she might get burned at the stake... But it's not entirely wrong in the real world neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 01:20 AM
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I barely read, is there any reason to think it's not a larp?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 01:13 AM
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Can't believe people are still saying this in 2021. Ffs, the red flag was the flag of the soviet union, not Russia! Russia's flag is white/blue/red, horizontal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 07:15 PM
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What do you mean? The "wall" is at 35. Actually, don't reply. You're too young to have discussions about your sexuality on a public forum. Lurk if you want, but you should only talk irl, with good friends, after a few glasses of wine. Edit: sorry, not wine, orange juice...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:36 PM
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Then it's probably indeed a good idea to abstain. If you're 16, you can afford to take your time to find a role that works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:22 PM
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One thing that I've often read, and with which I agree, is that it becomes subjective at the higher levels. So in practice you can have an objective scale up to 8, after that it's just 8+: someone's 10 will be an 8 for someone else. I suppose that this theory could be proved or disproved by a statistical study (we should see consistent ratings below 8, while the ratings above 8 would be spread between 8 and 10).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 11:24 AM
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I haven't read your rant too seriously, but this caught my attention: make "engaged fatherhood" hot How could men do that? Men don't decide what women find hot. Not even women decide what women find hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:52 AM
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The fact that women fuck shitty redpill guys proves the redpill true. Maybe they like their BP orbiters more, but who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:50 AM
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An average man who enters a relationship instantly becomes above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:00 AM
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I was half joking, of course the ghostly dread of Rebecca isn't the dread that TRP talks about. But I was also half not-joking, they aren't so different. I could imagine TRP saying "give her an inferiority complex".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:48 AM
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Isn't there some negging in the initial chapters? (It's a genuine question, I haven't read a lot of them).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:29 AM
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Interesting points. I think the essential difference is that the storylines of TRP and romance novels branch out after the attraction is established: plating vs marriage. But if you only focus on the part of the story before they fuck, a lot of the differences vanish. For example, there is usually some dread, she has to conquer him over other girls. PS: in a way, Rebecca is entirely about dread :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:28 AM
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Are you referring to this one? https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/r47clv/psychopaths_narcissists_neurotypicals_and_autism/ Where do you see praise? It even says "fucked up dude" and "failed human being"...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 04:17 AM
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When you guys say stuff like this you out yourselves as lower class. I’m just saying. Does it matter? I think you outed yourself as black, right? I'm just asking. But upper class men can totally be worried about lower class women letting themselves be knocked up by thugs, including out of self-interest (men don't care much about class, as long as she's hot).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 03:42 AM
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Close family doesn't trigger arousal, that's an exception. We don't know exactly how it works, it's some kind of acquired neurological inhibition. (You can read about the Westermarck effect Otherwise of course men already wanted to fuck every woman they see before porn existed. Every male ape does.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 01:39 PM
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[Funny] How modern women see marriage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1ukdQT8_E
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 11:33 AM
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No. (Maybe some children viewers).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 11:25 AM
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Does your opinion also apply to the people who complain about anime waifus looking like 12 yo girls, stepsister-stuck porn or rape scenes in GoT?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:55 AM
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I know men who genuinely are good people and have problems finding women. Of course you can always say "no, they're just masking it very very well", that's unfalsifiable. I know them enough to trust that (most of) their goodness is genuine. Nobody's perfectly good anyway, and if you look deep enough, the difference between being good and masking your bad is a philosophical puzzle. Anyway, as far as I know, the data (from population surveys etc) shows that goodness is less successful than thuggis…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:14 AM
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You shouldn't assume that I'm from the US. And the situation isn't so much better elsewhere (although I agree that the healthcare thing is really wild). And for full disclosure, I am among the activists who might, in some discussions, use the word coercion as part of my militant rhetoric when talking about the labor market. I maintain that it's an extreme way to talk. Most people, inside or outside the US, wouldn't use that word. And if you meet a stranger from a country you don't know, and they…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 01:16 AM
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Forced labor implies direct use of force. The only forced labor in America is penal labor - and it's debatable if the term really applies because according to wikipedia the only punishment is solitary confinement. For non-jailed Americans, the labor situation is indeed seriously fucked up. But people still wouldn't say that Americans are coerced into jobs they don't want. Some activists might use these words, and technically they're not clearly wrong, but it's militant rhetoric. Like conservativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 12:02 AM
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There's no hard border between coercion and limited choice, but it's an extreme way to talk. When discussing the job market, we don't say that proles are coerced into jobs they don't want, this would suggest a forced labor situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 10:02 PM
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I don't have time to dive into histories and discuss what is equal and if the playing field is even. Does anyone have one of those level tools with a bubble to check? In any case you might say that he wants to slant the playing field to make women want more men, which isn't quite the same as coercing them into relationships they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 09:08 PM
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Some of it sounds a bit convoluted, like she's deliberately trying to see things in one way. But rather than debate each point, my main objection is this: assuming that women are 5% better, it should be possible to match the worst women with the 95th percentile of men, the 95th percentile of women with the 90th percentile of men, etc. Only 5% of men would be unchosen. And second objection: most men wouldn't trade their male friends for female friends, they only enter relationships with women bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 08:58 PM
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In abstract theory, maybe all you say is true. But in practice, today wars aren't fought with soldiers. In fact wars aren't fought at all, because we have atomic weapons. In your hypothetical scenario of a large number of men starting a civil war, the side most likely to win would be the one with the better tanks and drones, not the one with the most men. And women aren't stupid, they fuck the powerful men first. The ones who own the tanks. And if any sexually frustrated man owned a tank, he wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:34 PM
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I see only one other reply? From cautionTomorrow555. And he didn't suggest to coerce women into having sex with men they don't want. Even though he clearly blames women, he even said that the idea of state mandated girlfriends is idiotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 10:56 AM
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most posters here seem to be fine with [coercing women into relationships they don't want] That's not how it looks to me. That's certainly not what the op was about, and yet you immediately decided to preemptively say that nothing could be done and sympathy wasn't needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 09:59 AM
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You know that that puts her in an extreme minority. No. I don't know how every social group of the western world talks about money, and more importantly I wasn't there during their conversation. That being said, I just re-read the post, and I have to admit that "based on the words she put down", she sounds a bit unhinged and there's a real possibility that the guy was sincere and she absolutely wants to describe him as lying. I just don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 09:50 AM
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Usually, whether they like the girl a lot or just a little, men would very much like to fuck her, and it wouldn't make much sense to weaken their standard dating moves just because they're lazy that day and the girl isn't great. So, I think there's much more difference between one man and another than between one date and another for the same man. When there's a difference for the same man, it's more likely to be related to sex optimization and to a perceived expectation from the woman than to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 08:31 AM
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Probably both. He has a BP mentality and thinks being nice is attractive. He's happy to show that your company is worth some investment in time and money for him. He'll treat the conversation during the car trip as a kind of first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 07:22 AM
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Ha, so now we're agreeing that there is a solution to fix the issue, it's just a matter of being more or less costly compared to children's care. As I said in the beginning, I think it's premature to propose detailed solutions, or to measure how many collateral issues the solutions would create. For now, it would be nice to just be able to discuss the problem without being silenced. To help people realize that it is indeed a problem. I don't like entering this discussion in terms of "fuck more m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 05:27 AM
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I think so too. That's an interesting consideration. It reminds me of an okcupid question which asks "do you prefer if good things happen, or interesting things?" I don't know the stats but I would assume that women answer good and men answer interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 04:45 AM
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There's no way to "prove" that his situation is torment. He tells it, and that's all there is to it. He says it's major. Why do you all need to start saying "akshually, it could have been worse because you had food" or "oh but people who have relationships and breakups can be sad too" or "lol you're just mentally deranged you shouldn't be so horny" ? If you spend some time speaking with men in similar situations, you'll see the same feelings: it is indeed major, for many many men. Believe all in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 04:29 AM
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I don't quite understand what you're talking about. If we gave money to single men, I suppose we should give the same to single women, how could we not? But I was just talking about lowering taxes for the childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 04:17 AM
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It's not very relevant. My point is that all those burdens you mentioned, poverty, illness, war, are not clearly worse than romantic torments, so it's not clear that he should consider himself lucky. I find it rather petty to say that his complaint is invalid because he phrased it too much about horniness and not enough about sentimentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 04:10 AM
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It's not so clear. In Persepolis, Marjane Satrapi tells about her life through war, immigration, dictatorship... She's from an upper class family so not as unfortunate as many, but still, you could say she had a burdened life. But the one thing that really put her into depression was when her boyfriend cheated on her. Love is really, really important in everyone's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 03:25 AM
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First, society won't break down if we stop having children. If we have no children at all from now, it will only start becoming a "society breaking down" situation in about 60 years - and by that point everyone will be at least 60 years old, so it won't matter much. Second, people won't stop having children. It is remarkably resource-insensitive today, we could make it more resource-intensive and people would still do it. But, more importantly, let's imagine that lowering taxes for people withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 02:42 AM
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Apparently, not for getting a girlfriend :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 02:17 AM
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So what's wrong with lower taxes for people without children? It would bring us closer to a situation where men are working for themselves to get their basic needs of food shelter and clean water satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 01:43 AM
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Without labor producing income we wouldnt have it to spend. Sort of a non starter. Well then, that makes it important to make sure that our citizens are incentivized to offer their labor. For men, that means a chance of sexual relationships. Otherwise their natural incentive is to either check out or rebel against society. It's the way the world works, there's no changing the tune of reality. So what do we supplement them for? Good question. Seems hard. For now, the op's question was merely abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 01:10 AM
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Apparently some people use net salary, including her. Did he really never realize that there might have been a misunderstanding? It seems important to her, so it's slightly surprising that no opportunity to clear it happened for several months. It's possible that he tried to avoid any such opportunity. We don't know, we weren't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:58 AM
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I'm close to agreeing with FDS here. If he lied about something that's important to her, leaving is justified (although maybe giving him a second chance after a serious talk is possible). But in that case we don't really know how much of a lie it was. She says he wasn't supposed to use the gross figure, but that's what she says. It's possible that he was sincere and didn't realize the misunderstanding. This case also shows a problem with the strategy of dumping men who disappoint: it doesn't mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:30 AM
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Labor is a resource we need Yes, but a wise girl once said that true progress is when people become more independent, and that people aren't resources, or something similar. So maybe it's something we could consider. I think a sense of community would go a lot further That sounds like a good idea too. Our societies are becoming very atomized, everyone for himself, any solidarity is imposed by force. It's worrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 11:15 PM
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all stuff is things that moved towards free will and independence That's debatable, modern life is very constraining. we move towards a world where there is less of a chance woman will be coerced into having to be with men they don't want to be with. It depends on what you mean by coercion. I don't see why social influences on women's sexual choices would be bound to only diminish. Personally I even think that women's choices are always very social, even today, and that a purely personal choice …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 10:46 PM
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We could give them money, being rich helps to seduce girls. We could give them free guitar lessons. The question right now isn't what we could do, but what's the situation, should we even try to do something, and why do people like you keep bashing the people that we're wondering if we should help.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:36 PM
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That's a very bleak description. Sure, marriages were much more practical, and love was more seen as something that arises from marriage than vice-versa, but medieval humans were humans. There was some flirting, courting, and choice. The common peasants didn't even have any political intrigues or inherited wealth to worry about, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:19 PM
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I'm not OP, but I find that a very sensible reply to his question, so thank you. However I want to say that I disagree with your evaluation. I see guys whose personality flaws aren't major, and who try to go out socially and/or match online, without success. I see it enough that it worries me about the state and the evolution of our society. But maybe even if you saw the same guys you'd find it normal. It's a fuzzy and subjective issue: nobody's perfect, it's hard to decide at what point being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 11:17 AM
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We change the tune of reality in many ways. The abolition of slavery changed it, the discovery of antibiotics changed it, welfare and affirmative action changes it. The way the world works isn't an inescapable straight line, it's shaped by collective decisions. Now, if there is indeed no feasible way to reduce the "incel ratio", so be it, but is there? Can we at least ask this question, collect data on it, analyze the situation, without being told every minute that it's dumb and that lonely men …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 09:32 AM
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Before the industrial revolution, society didn't need to setup much to encourage women to marry, women were naturally significantly less productive, especially if they wanted to have children. After the industrial revolution, any discrimination was limited by the rationality of the labor market and by the social understanding of human rights. There's been some discrimination in the past, sure, but describing past societies as fundamentally geared to oppress women is dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 09:09 AM
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I just never lost that empathy for the other guys who are struggling Doesn't that hinder you with the ladies?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:58 PM
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I'm a good friend of god, I can confirm that they saw through the prayer deal thing - it wasn't very covert to begin with. But they didn't mind. By the way, god identifies as non-binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 11:32 AM
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Thank you! Here's a bonus one: A drug that cures everything doesn't exist, but an existence that does every drug is deadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 04:49 AM
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A mouth that has many teeth is healthy, but a tooth that has many cavities is sick. A politician who has millions of voters is a successful politician, but a voter who votes twice needs to be investigated for election fraud. A tree that has many leaves is a normal tree, but a leaf that has many branches might actually be a camouflaged insect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 04:20 AM
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For shy / non-confident men, it goes more like this: If he wants to but you act like you don't want to, even slightly, he won't. It's only when he wants to and he thinks that you also want to that nothing will keep him away. What’s better being the one who plays it cool or being the one who always reaches out? If you're always reaching out and he never does, you should probably stop. Otherwise, maybe the best is to reach out while playing it cool? To flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 10:35 PM
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There's no proof, and obviously that was an exaggeration, but as far as I know that's the general trend experienced by men today. Sex without commitment isn't necessarily hookup, there's a whole spectrum, and I'd be wary of trusting what women admit. Watch what they do... By the way what men mean by commitment isn't necessarily marriage, we shouldn't trust too much what men promise neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 09:24 PM
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Often the guys asking would be willing to offer commitment, but they still get bad advice. Anyway nowadays men who aren't able to obtain pussy without commitment don't get anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 01:16 PM
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There's some hypocrisy in how they claim to be looking for a fulfilling relationship, but they only talk about what strategy is optimal for them. A happy relationship is about making two people happy. And usually these two people have some flaws. They're also way too focused on material stuff: he needs to be so rich that he won't mind paying expensive dates to a girl who might ghost him at any moment. That's not a good way to vet for someone who will be a good father to your children, that's jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:08 AM
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We also teach women to walk away from a man at the FIRST red flag, forever. That's something on which I strongly disagree with FDS. If you're serious about looking for a life partner, what matters is long term potential. The men who manage to date without showing any single red flag have most likely shaped themselves specifically for that, i.e. they're fuckboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:44 AM
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That makes sense. Who knows. Anyway the border between rape and consensual sex was more fuzzy in the past. Women could hardly survive without marrying, and the concept of marital rape wasn't invented. And if you look all the way back at apes, it's even more fuzzy. Rape is only one part of the statistic, male mortality/slavery was also much more prevalent. (But again, is it so different today? How free are we?)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:10 PM
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You don't really need to diagnose what was on their mind, it's just culture war. A battle without honor or humanity. (Btw, I think Beatrix Kiddo hasn't been mentioned on this page yet? She's another good example of action heroine)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 01:16 PM
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It's weird how so many replies are saying that women had no choice in it and implying that otherwise they wouldn't have been satisfied with this dreadful inequality. But when women's sexual choices are free, they choose soft harems. They openly say that they're only attracted to men with options and that needy men are repulsive. Today we also have men with multiple children from multiple wives while others are single, is the statistic actually different? And in the past, what were the exact prop…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:43 AM
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What defines "your room"? If it's a tent, does it work? Because then we might start to lose a lot of male workforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 11:18 AM
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It makes sense for evo psych reasons: since men have to compete, society wants to make them compete honorably.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 07:45 AM
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Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was rather good. It has the advantage of starting with the wide suspension of disbelief of a world where superfighters exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 03:28 AM
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I disagree. I think pursuing isn't very relevant, if anything a guy willing to pursue when the girl doesn't reciprocate his enthusiasm might actually be slightly less likely to commit for long term. I think the essence of the problem is that trying to not be stuck as a forever girlfriend is at odds with trying to get an attractive partner. Here's an example: before starting a relationship, ask the man his n-count and ask why he didn't stay with any of them. If it's too high without good reasons,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 01:31 AM
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Fuckboys pursue and invest, they can afford it because they know that they'll get a good sex return on their investment. Beta guys looking for a wife to have children with don't pursue and invest, because what they're trying to exchange for sex is their commitment, not their money or conversation. It's ok to like being pursued, you don't have to pretend that your reasons for liking it are compatible with 19th century morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 12:36 AM
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It depends a bit on what you mean by realistically. If you want to be historically accurate, women warriors have always been a rare exception. Physiologically, as long as combat is done with weapons (even just swords or anything with a blade), it's not implausible: a skilled woman can be a better fencer than many men, the disadvantage of being weaker isn't huge. So the issue is also to make it sociologically plausible, to have a motivation for these women characters to be involved in combat situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 11:03 PM
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I think if you want to write "action/adventure" it's gonna be skewed towards male characters. You can still manage to have a female main character - you can even have a hobbit if you do it well - but since women are naturally less skilled at action, the story might be less heroic. However you could also write "intrigue/adventure", "crime/adventure", "exploration/adventure", "strategy/adventure", ... In Game of Thrones, Cersei and Daenarys are much more interesting characters than Brienne and Ary…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 08:57 PM
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I think the main thing that makes people side with the woman is the title: "Husband gets mad at wife". Otherwise, I find the way he wrote the story rather neutral. That same text written by a woman in a lesbian couple and presented with a neutral title wouldn't trigger so much vitriol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 03:20 AM
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I mostly agree with you, but the redditers who comment in the post don't say "it's hard to judge", they jump to the conclusion that the man is wrong and insult him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 03:04 AM
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It's impressive how you'll fight tooth and nails to avoid admitting that the post shows a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 02:59 AM
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We're talking about academic quality, not IQ. Anyway, believe what you want, bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 02:29 AM
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Well, try to read the post again (here's the link again: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/r0n83w/husband_gets_mad_at_wife_for_writing_book_and/ ) and imagine people insulting the wife in the same way. That would never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 02:20 AM
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Identifying a potential cause doesn't alter the fact that the planet with the most sexually successful men would have an inferior academic quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 02:00 AM
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I'm pretty sure that the reactions wouldn't be equally hostile to the wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 01:50 AM
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So in my example, if the wife complained that her pro gamer husband could have been home an hour earlier and that he was tired and grumpy, you would think that she's just assuming these things and side with the husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 01:41 AM
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Eh, I think they are trashing him a bit too hard but I don't really think he's in the right. Personally I'm undecided. I have the same reservations as you, it's mindboggling that she didn't talk. Especially for writing a book, it's something that can easily creep in your brain even if you try not to devote any time to it, and also something you should be happy to discuss with your partner. If I had to write an answer to the husband, I'd be compassionate but slightly critical. Reddit, however, is…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 01:34 AM
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No, he said "she could have been home an hour earlier" and "she's been tired and grumpy". He might be wrong, but that's what he said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 01:27 AM
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But you didn't ask "did the wife write the book solely on her lunch break, and was home more as promised?".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 01:21 AM
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Let's say a husband has a job and is also a pro gamer. When a baby arrives, the couple agrees that he's gonna keep his job but stop gaming so he can spend more time at home. Then one year later he tells his wife "actually I've been gaming this whole time during my lunch break, I just won 100k". Would you similarly side with the man and say the wife is delusional about lunch breaks?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 01:09 AM
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Here's yet another example of redditers siding with women: https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/r0n83w/husband_gets_mad_at_wife_for_writing_book_and/ Most of the comments say the guy is wrong, in various insulting ways. Nobody seems to care the the wife acted behind her husband's back and that the problem here is lack of trust. He's the man, so he's wrong. (the story might be fake, but that doesn't matter much)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 12:37 AM
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The most sexually successful men are the ones who have more partners and more children. It doesn't matter if it's due to their impulsivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 10:23 PM
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There are various studies which have shown a negative correlation between education and number of sexual partners, or number of children. You can also just look at the world with your own eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 08:37 AM
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In many animal species, most of sexuality happens despite females trying to avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 07:19 PM
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what I object to is its being considered evidence that due to evolution, women are psychologically similar to hypnotized chickens. I'm sure that women are perfectly able to discard the preselection effect if they have any good reason. But it doesn't seem like they have much reason in the current SMP. The trend since the 60s seems to have been that any social influence on women's sexual desires is misogynistic oppression. That would say that men are basically harmful and/or women don't like sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 10:42 AM
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This is more a general advice - and more aimed at all women than just you: you shouldn't desire paper perfection, in a way it's unambitious. Instead of someone who has a good job and a good car, try to fall in love with someone who has beautiful dreams and interesting friends. Instead of someone shiny, someone whose life is missing someone like you to start shining. In "the family man", Nicholas Cage and Tea Leoni each have a "perfect" life apart in the real world, but this perfection doesn't he…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 09:27 AM
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womanisers are also succesful in things like business, politics, academia etc. Not academia. I mean, some are, of course, and success in anything is always attractive. But if you took all the most sexually successful men of the world and sent them to another planet, the academic quality of that planet would be inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 08:37 PM
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Wow, some guys in history did conquering or exploration or for a few of them creative stuff and were successful with women. What a revelation! Look, if you think people should be more creative, you can just say it directly. You don't have to call it alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 08:16 PM
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I hadn't actually read the study before posting it, I just read a little very quickly now. Apparently women are affected by other women's choices at the same amount for judging a male face or for judging hands or abstract art? Ok, maybe. They're still affected, and from the point of view of a guy trying to be attractive it's all that matters. And it's just one study, we shouldn't take everything they say at face value (pun intended). What I understood from what you said before was that the proce…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 12:07 PM
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Generally, selection of females by males is much less meaningful, there might not be much to study for most animals. And if there's any similar effect on men, it's probably much less potent, they tend to prefer vulnerable isolated virgins. I vaguely remember reading about studies on preselection for humans on ppd. With a quick google search I found only one: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-19770-8 But if you ask pretty much any man, he'll tell you that it works like a charm. As soon a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 11:29 AM
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The closest concept used by ethologists is mate choice copying (it even has a wikipedia page. Anyway, the basic idea of everyone in a specific group having similar tastes and standards makes the most sense to me. Preselection is more than that. It doesn't need to be a specific group. It's for example the reason why a dating profile that includes pics where the guy is among attractive girls will receive more likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 02:42 AM
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In the context of this post, an alpha is a strong man who uses his strength to keep any access to the females for himself. He doesn't need to be charismatic etc. But apart from restlessness, none of these traits make a man creative, on the contrary men like this tend to be uncreative. And they can make good leaders for an exploration if they have any interest in it, but they're not particularly exploratory by themselves. Who's alpha? A researcher in a lab, or a ceo? Marty and Doc, or Biff? Isaac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 12:02 AM
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I don't know if women's liberation will cause the downfall of civilization as some say, but if it does, this thread will be a good example for historians to show how it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 04:18 PM
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A lot of men are indeed out there committing crimes to get girls. There would be probably be more if women didn't pretend it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 04:11 PM
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Only after we find cheap alternatives. Until then, we'll keep our eyes closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 02:17 PM
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Funny how this post saying that girls shouldn't play hard-to-get-games is prefaced with "Doesn't apply to me personally". Anyone complaining about the way women date is sure to receive a barrage of ad hominems. You have to say "it's for a friend, I'm doing well with women myself".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 12:24 PM
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I might if you ask nicely and with a properly formulated question. But I'm not gonna bother getting into a discussion that starts like this, I'm tired of that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 11:51 AM
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They can [...] be a leader. As the other guy said, there's an inherent mathematical dilemma here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 11:19 AM
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The definition of Chad is that he's more attractive to women, but there's no definition for what superior genes are. If I believe that short humans are superior because they consume less resources, then Chad's genes are inferior. Or if I don't like DT traits. Personally I find that Chads are on average less interesting, less creative, less honest and less useful to society - often even detrimental to society instead of useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 06:58 AM
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Alphas aren't exploratory or creative, these are beta qualities. Only losers have any need for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 12:43 AM
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That's nothing. I saw a girl reject a guy because his ancestor retreated at the battle of Gelderland in 1361.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 06:51 AM
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It's weird, sure. It's certainly nice too. Whether you find it creepy or not is your choice. You should at least tell him that you find this weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 04:22 AM
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This whole discussion would be more interesting if the USA didn't use the world liberal to talk about leftism. Socialism isn't liberalism. Take gun laws for example. How can discussions make sense when the liberal party is the one that wants to restrict the right to own guns?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 11:58 PM
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As a man, you should always expect any woman to be like all the other women. It's not only likely to be true, it's what she wants: she doesn't want you to expect her to be exceptional. She doesn't want you to make her lose status in the FSM.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 08:10 PM
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All is fair in love and war. We can't judge the relationships of others and decide if they're fair or not, because it's not our business. Imagine if all men suddenly decided to marry drug-addicted gold-diggers who give anal and blowjobs at will but don't do anything besides that, while plenty of normal hard-working girls would stay single because they refuse to do anal. Would you say that the gold diggers should do more and stop taking drugs? No, because it's not our business. If women don't pri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 03:24 AM
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There's something that annoys me, somewhat related to evolutionary psychology: the way women claim that their "gut feeling" is so great for choosing men. It's literally saying that there can't be anything wrong in behaving like a primitive ape. Men at least tend to say "yeah, I know about the red flags but I can't help it, I do what my dick wants". Not "you don't know her like I do, I know she's the right one because my dick tells me so and my dick is just great at choosing women".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 06:58 AM
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Our species never prioritised most all the qualities the Redpill seems to venerate to survive. Why do you have to twist your sentence to include some hostility towards RP? Leave RP out of this discussion, they don't even venerate strength. But to answer your question, agriculture, writing and all modern civilization appeared in the blink of an eye in evolutionary time. Language is maybe about 100,000 years old, which isn't that much. The use of fire is probably 1 million years old. Bipedalism st…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 12:25 AM
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Some people don't have private bedrooms. Some have parents who mind. Some live in places that don't accept guests. It's much less drastic, but it still exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:58 PM
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He might, but we don't know that. He didn't really try to be a wingman, and he was useless. Maybe he still would have been useless if he had tried, maybe not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:56 PM
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You go on a date with a woman that initially doesn't want to fuck you, hoping that she'll want to fuck you after the date. During the date, your behavior is geared to make that hope become reality. That's what dating is for normal men. You're free to say that it shouldn't be called "convincing", anyway I don't care what you think and I'm gonna stop talking with you. You never genuinely wanted to ask if you're the asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:05 PM
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Dating absolutely does not exist? Ok... Whatever, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:48 PM
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Convincing women to like someone they don't like is what every man on a date does, for himself in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:30 PM
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If the best you can do at a task is to not be there, you're bad at it. The most basic thing that comes to everyone's mind when they think of a wingman is laughing at the guy's jokes. He "looked at the floor". He just wasn't in this mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:23 PM
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If you don't even believe in wingmanning, don't try.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:09 PM
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I guess it all depends on how much less sex you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 06:56 PM
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You were acting like you always do. I rest my case. And yes, if the guy wingmans well enough it's exceedingly rare that the girl will choose him. It's not nonsense, it's actually rather easy to make girls not choose you. Girls don't chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 06:55 PM
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You could for example just say "he bought her a drink". Doing nothing and saying that by doing nothing you were "letting him" is clearly not the attitude of a good wingman. To begin with, if you wanted to be a wingman you shouldn't have spoken with her without him for 10 minutes. And then, if a girl tells you you're cute within 10 minutes, it's very probably because you were acting charming. When you're acting wingmanny, it's unlikely that a girl would take the initiative to say that. And it's e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 06:41 PM
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You "let him get her a drink"... Even in the way you write about it, you sound like you always thought he didn't deserve her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 06:22 PM
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I don't know if you're an asshole but you're definitely a shitty wingman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:46 PM
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I guess there's also some longing for pre-2010 SMP, that's true. But we were talking about lord Byron's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:29 PM
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if you're not interested in the discussion, you're welcome to not participate. (Btw, my question was more about the past of the west than the present of the non-west, that might not have been very clear).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:29 PM
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It was an if question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 04:09 PM
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Ok, but the average difference wouldn't be great. If you love your daughter and you live in a pre-modern world, you won't tell her "go date whoever you want, trust your gut feeling about men and have fun".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 03:41 PM
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All of them think they would be Lord Byron back in those days I don't know where you got that impression. The only "longing for the past" that I see from men is about the difficulty of getting a stable marriage today.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 01:15 PM
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I think women's attraction to the city is even a fundamental trend, linked to human nature. Thousands of years ago, there was probably already pastoral women who dreamt of a new life in Babylon and became tavern wenches.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:43 PM
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Well, if they're in jail, they aren't meeting any woman, so it doesn't work. But let's say you take a representative sample of all the men in jail, you take them out of jail and you compare them with a representative sample of all the men. I think women will indeed find the first group more sexually attractive than the second. (I'm not quite sure, I'd be open to read any opposite argumentation).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:11 PM
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No, I never talked about socialization of pussy, it's definitely your words. It's ok, you can talk about it. PPD is here to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:31 AM
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You seem to want to talk about socialization of pussy. Is it something about which you think often? How many times per week do these ideas come to your mind? Are they always related to ISIS, or do you also envision other contexts?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:20 AM
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You listed things that make women less likely to consent. I don't know much about Nepal, I suppose that it falls under "not allowed to consent without parents' consent", and that in practice most Nepalese girls don't want to have sex with someone that their parents disapprove. The material difficulty of having a private room is technically different from a consent issue - and it also exists in the West, by the way, it's just much less drastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:13 AM
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And yet I just compared it. You can compare things that have differences - that's actually a necessary condition for a comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:02 AM
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Why do you think parents said that? Would you have behaved differently if you had been the parent of a daughter in these times? Anyway, my point is that technically, if the woman was willing to disobey her parents, you could sleep with her, there was no law against it. (Even if there was, society just can't prevent two consenting adults from doing whatever they want in their homes). The difference is that the consent was harder to get, not that the consent wasn't enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:45 AM
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in the modern west all you need is consent from the woman you want Technically, that's almost always all you need. In some cultures women can't consent without their parents' consent, but in practice it rarely makes much difference, the woman and their parents are usually in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 09:46 AM
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But the more anger over some mythical “Chad” having sex with 25 women a week I think it’s just they’re mad they aren’t this guy using and discarding women. Yes and no, a lot are also annoyed by the fact that the SMP is like it is. Swallowing the red pill is hard for a lot of guys because "plating" looks like a poor situation for women and they don't want to deal with the guilt of causing it. It's similar with the left and billionaires. Poor people are certainly bitter that they have to struggle …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 03:22 AM
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No you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 08:47 AM
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both frameworks are viable individually and may work when kept separate The viability of the modern framework is actually debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:12 AM
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If it's any consolation, there are quite a lot of relationships that follow the same paradigm, it's just common to take longer (months or years) before the guy moves on. Are you sure that this isn't what you actually wanted? If you could go back in time and make the first guy stay, would you do it, or do you think it's better to have had 3 fun relationships than just one?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 05:01 AM
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Sorry I missed the "new". Anyway, nevermind, you're welcome to tell people to improve, good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 11:56 AM
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I’m different than TRP Not really. TRP isn’t some new guideline. TRP clearly includes guidelines. Anyone with sense grew up observing this stuff. And yet people have been saying it's all crazy delusion for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 11:35 AM
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There's nothing in what you say that TRP doesn't say. It doesn't work for the depressed and malsocialized because nothing works for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 09:55 AM
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Good idea. And maybe men could setup a subreddit where they discuss how to do all these things in the most effective way? It could have a sidebar, field reports, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:50 PM
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Some of the research you cite was made by asking women, which on this topic doesn't work, you need to watch what they do. Some introduces a correlation with another factor as explanation (like dressing well). This might be interesting but in many cases doesn't fundamentally change the diagnostic. That being said, I think there's an important point to make, which your post alludes to but doesn't spell out clearly: the success of DT men isn't necessarily caused by women's preferences but by these …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 04:46 AM
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Nice doesn't mean holding your shit together. It's closer to the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 04:15 AM
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I believe that it's not entirely wrong and that as a man you should better make your peace with that idea. But if you're average there's still some hope. 80/20 is a broad concept, it's not binary, it's more like the level of attraction diminishes sharply after the first 20% (personally I believe 50% is a more relevant threshold). Since awalt isn't 100% true, there's some variation on who's in any girl's 20%. You can also be hot at some time in some context and receive some ephemeral attraction b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 07:01 AM
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From the point of view of someone who believes that these concepts (AF/BB, 80/20, AWALT) are true and are indeed how women operate, you're the one who sounds like you hate women, while TRP tells men to love them as they are. (Personally, I don't think they're 100% true, but they're true enough).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 04:30 AM
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A lot of people have lowkey hate for people who live better lives, it's just turned up to 11 with incels. Anyway, I still don't see why that would be more disadvantageous in a struggling economy than in a 1st world economy. Btw, I don't know of any school shooting by an incel in a 3rd world country? Don't you think it shows that 3rd world incels bear their situation better than 1st world ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 02:20 AM
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The reason is many incels here have fantasized about how they would do well when society breaks down. And because they have fantasized it, then it must be false? People who can't get along with others die. Most incels get along well with others. A lot of them are nice guys. The defining characteristic of incels is to be unable to seduce girls, I don't see why being able to seduce girls would confer more advantage in a struggling economy than in a first world economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 01:56 AM
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Our incels would not last long in a struggling economy. Why do you have to add some incel-bashing to your post? What makes you think that incels wouldn't last long but non-incels would last long?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 11:58 PM
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I wouldn't quite call it "using money", it's just being rich. Any normal guy "uses money": if he was abnormally poor, he'd be less attractive. I don't think so many guys "refuse to acknowledge that money has anything to do with it", but you should also consider that it's not always all there is to it. A citizenship potential goes a bit further than just money. Being exotic with a cute accent and a whole other culture to talk about makes you more exciting. Race/height can matter too. In many thir…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 02:01 PM
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Being rich is important for most women - in any country - so what's the point of saying "the only difference is that you're richer"? It's a pretty big difference. Would you say that if you change your haircut, the only difference would be your hair, which can be attractive in and of itself? What if you get another job, or go out with a good wingman, or become a rock star? Female attraction depends on a lot of contextual things, not on the pure essence of the man. Since already having a girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 06:50 AM
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Men temper their biological desires very heavily, mostly by necessity but not only.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 12:00 PM
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Tinder and bars aren't natural things neither. Civilization isn't nature. Men know very well that it's necessary to temper their biological sexual desires, but that's off-topic anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 11:50 AM
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For the same reason your parents told you to eat broccolis and not candies: your instincts are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 05:18 AM
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Sharia doesn't make sense to women because most women don't understand men's sexuality. You see, when men see a beautiful woman, they desire her. Desire. So putting a burka over them is the best way to keep each woman private to her husband. It's just a cruel trick of nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 09:14 AM
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Alcohol and blowjob then. More seriously (although I was kinda serious), you should decide if you want start your relationship in a non-romantic way or a romantic one. In the first case you'd probably be pretending, and both of you being awkward+pretending can be hard to handle. It might be better to be bold and tell him straight "ask me on a date". Or slightly less bold and ask if he's single and why and if he sometimes asks girls on dates and if he'd like to ask you for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 04:09 AM
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Sex him, then do pillow talk. Otherwise, maybe alcohol. Combine for optimal results.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 03:30 AM
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Here's a funny anecdote: this post, titled Why do men take such interest in avoiding child support, but so little interest in avoiding pregnancy? almost frames the issue of the absence of male-side contraception as a flaw of men. Men are asked to justify why they don't do more, why they leave the burden to women. Now, imagine if for some reason scientists had discovered a male pill but not a female pill. Bluepillers would then complain that it's so unfair, that it is due to the misogyny of patri…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 02:53 AM
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I've never once heard a man complain about his lack of options for avoiding getting someone pregnant. What would it accomplish? They'd be labelled as whiners and risk-avoiders, that's all. But if you ask men, a lot would tell you that they'd be very interested in a "man-pill", if it existed. It doesn't, because it happens to be easier to disrupt some of the various complex processes that happen in women's bodies than to prevent testicles from producing sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:05 AM
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Being attractive to the other gender is even more important in women's lives and psyche than in men's (or more precisely, men become attractive by focusing their lives on doing things, while women have to focus directly on being attractive). And intellectualism isn't attractive. Sexuality is shallow hedonism. Having children is irrational. Thinking about problems and how to solve them is something that bitter losers do, winners just act and enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 04:04 AM
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At what percentage of single mothers are we allowed to start asking if there's something that could be done to change the trend?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 01:38 AM
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It would be hard to have any evidence but I think it makes sense. It's like committing a thoughtcrime. The FSM is watching them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 01:28 AM
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The opinions of the type "women are weak and I use them" are attractive. The ones of the type "women are evil and they oppress me" are unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 03:23 PM
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That's an interesting remark, there's some overlap. There's also some differences. If Chad says he's an activist for legal parental surrender, less affirmative action for women, more shelters for men, mandatory paternity testing, the prohibition of circumcision, etc., usually it won't go well. Btw, manospherian isn't the same as "depraved misogynist"...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 02:21 PM
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In my experience/estimation, men don't do it quite as much but blackpillers still do it a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 11:47 AM
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I get downvoted more than anyone here. You have no idea how much others are downvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 11:41 AM
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I don't want to hear that men just can't fight for their rights because they will be "canceled". Then why do you ask? if men as a collective wanted to fight for their rights, nobody would stop them. But if a portion of men fights against gynocentry, they're shut down and demonized and their example is used against men's rights. Anyway, I already told you: powerful men don't care about other men because men compete, and it's changing. You shouldn't be inciting men to violence. If you're not open …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 11:00 AM
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You can read this for an example of how it doesn't work: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-debate-female-vp-women-trump-primaries-a9404661.html If Bezos said he'll give a few millions for male causes, people would boycott Amazon the next day. If an actor spoke about misandry, he'd be cancelled. If a Chad showed any manosphere opinions on a date, he'd have to move to another town to keep his Chad status. It's probably starting to change, though. As I said recently, I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 10:04 AM
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Yes, sorry, I got the letters wrong, I wanted to say the opposite (I edited my comment).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 01:03 PM
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But all women are attracted to bad boys more than to boring guys. I think society moves the r/K index towards K and sexual desire moves it towards r, for both men and women. Edit: swapped letters
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:53 PM
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So you're saying that the provisions of the agreement are signing some checks? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 04:21 AM
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The regulation of gambling is probably more related to keeping money laundering under control than to protect innocent citizens. I think you could take the example of selling drugs: if someone has some opium and I want to buy it and we're both consenting adults, it's still illegal. The thing is that sex is just impossible to regulate. Even just forbidding physical rape is too hard, because it's all "she said, he said". We still try to forbid it, but many rapes go unpunished, and many false rape …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 03:34 AM
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You notice men behaving like that because men who don't behave like that are losers who don't reach your vicinity. You don't notice women behaving like that because they're smart enough to keep it hidden, and because people don't want to use things against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 03:04 PM
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The abstract thing you call morality, is it independent of humans? Kind of like freedom or honesty, i.e. as far as we know, we're the only ones who try to define it. I feel you have some implicit values like equality, empathy that you have assumed to be objectively right without questioning it. I talked about the "golden rule" to try to shorten the discussion, what I personally believe or question isn't very relevant. (But if you want to know, I do value equality and empathy. I guess I'd define …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 02:48 PM
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Men do a lot of what RP calls "hamstering". And when confronted with something that would force them to acknowledge their cognitive dissonance, they can even become aggressive. Here's an example. A group is gonna leave a bar for another. Someone says "let's wait for John who has left to smoke a cigarette". But Jack doesn't want John to join, because they're rivals and John is more handsome. Jack won't say "fuck John, let's go now", because that would reveal him as dishonorable, he'll say "John p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 12:44 PM
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That sounds like a reasonable summary. I do think of morality as more fundamental, and what you call morality I'd call it social contract, which is shaped by both the aggregation of personal values and by the abstract concept of morality. For your example of sharia law, I don't know it well enough, but I think there are some things in it that would sound like a far stretch from morality to me: women are inferior and not treated the way men would wish to be treated. I suppose the people who find …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 12:14 PM
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Let's say the mugger has a wife and 2 kids and 50$ in his pockets. He sees another guy just like him walking down the road, who also has a wife and two kids and 50$ in his pockets. The mugger knows that mugging the other guy will bring precisely 100 points of happiness for him and his family, while taking 200 points of happiness away from the other guy and his family. He still does it, because he puts himself before others. When you want to translate the abstract concept of morality into practic…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 09:33 AM
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Most muggers don't care about doing more good than harm, they're not robin-hoods justifying their behavior by some loophole. They just put themselves first and the others below. That's what makes their behavior immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:42 AM
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What if a person mugs you and steals your wallet and disagrees that it's immoral because he values the benefits of your money more than he values public safety? The morality I'm thinking of is the one described by the golden rule "treat others as you'd like to be treated". It's not supposed to be an aggregation of individual value systems, it's a behavior imposed on the individuals by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:11 AM
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RP isn't much of an ideology, it's a mix of knowledge about the world (that's where it gets its name from) and praxeology based on this knowledge. It's not morally prescriptive and it doesn't try to manage the virginity pool for the greater good. On the contrary, it tells you that the SMP isn't managed at all, and that any moral prescriptions you might have heard are empty, or even worse, they're shit-tests: instead of being rewarded for your moral behavior, you'll be penalized. "From a mathemat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 07:56 AM
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Once you establish a value hierarchy, it is moral to act in a way such that you pursue more valuable things. No, the value is to the individual, while morality involves at least the others, or even something intangible that goes beyond the material world. Pursuing more valuable things for yourself at the expense of others isn't moral. Having a private jet is very valuable, but very immoral when the ecology is collapsing from too much burning.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 06:55 AM
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Women's sexual preferences are highly contextual, so it's more about instanciating them in a modern context. And I think focusing on "standards" isn't very accurate: it's not entirely about the intrinsic characteristics of a man, how society treats him and how he treats her are important. The exact same guy can be attractive if he has a girlfriend and he's confident, unattractive if he's single and needy. It's also a basic RP principle that the most efficient way to seduce a girl is to make sure…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 05:41 AM
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Traditional masculinity relied on having to compete against out-groups. Rites of masculinity were the society / in-group asserting that the boy was part of the team, with all the duties and privileges that went with it. If there's no out-group to compete against, teaching boys to be competitive men is zero-sum, so it has been replaced by shit-tests (which are indeed fuzzy, accidental or sniggeringly conspiratorial). I really should make that post about globalization, the end of war, and how the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:31 PM
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Dominant is even more relative than powerful. And all else being equal, the least respectful honorable and humble men are the ones who appear the most powerful confident and dominant to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:11 PM
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You need to spend enough money to look rich. Have an expensive car for example. That's not humble. Spending on one girl upfront is debatable, but FDS for example says that they only consider men who take them to expensive dates. Plenty of men with efficient game get called creepy from time to time, if you don't take this risk you miss out on many opportunities. I specifically said filling the conversation works in a group, not on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:58 PM
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You can be whatever and still do well with girls. Anything is possible. But overall, you'll get more success if you spend your money lavishly than if people don't even know that you're actually rich. If you don't mind stringing women along than if you make sure they don't get any false hope. If you don't care about being called a creep than if you take any no for a definitive no. If you talk loudly and fill the conversation with any dumb thing out of your brain than if you ask questions and say …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:26 PM
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Maybe it would become 75/25, idk. But women aren't gonna write on social media "men are so great, I love them all, there are so many good ones to choose from".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:11 PM
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"To the right women". They're very rare outside of male movies. And mostly what happens is that when you're powerful enough, you can afford to be respectful etc and still be attractive in spite of that, but in most cases, for ordinary people, you'd have more success if you weren't. And powerful is mostly defined relatively to other men, not in absolute, so there is a fixed amount of power to share among men, you can't change society to make all men more powerful (unless at the expense of women).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:09 PM
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The trend right now is that there is PLENTY of beautiful women and not nearly enough high value men to go around, just look on YouTube. That trend is unavoidable. If all men suddenly got better jobs and better haircuts, women would just raise their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:15 PM
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If you describe masculinity as "good masculinity", then masculinity is good, sure. But we can't raise boys to be good men anymore, given the current state of the SMP. If you're respectful, honorable and humble, you'll stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:08 PM
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I don't think they do it only for attractive guys. Being desired by people they don't desire back is also fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 07:31 AM
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I don't think paramedics who have worked on OF before have much risk of being fired. If it happened if was probably in some religious clinic or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 01:10 PM
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Or more. Or less, if you count the average of the population. (I think multiple partner fertility is more common with single parents and especially men.)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 12:39 PM
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For the women who struggle financially, onlyfans or sugaring are more profitable than sharing rent with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 06:24 AM
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The idea that sexual reproduction is beneficial for the species because males are an "evolution catalyst" isn't a new thing discovered by one study, it has pretty much always been the consensus. So why is it that in species such as ours there are as many males as there are females? Because of the Fisher's principle. If a species had 40% of males, any mutation that produces more males would have a reproductive advantage and spread. males are supposed to get filtered out until only the most well-a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 09:47 PM
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The concept of SMP/SMV is a nice shortcut that allows abstract discussions, but there's no guarantee that it holds much meaning if you overthink it. To begin with, there's not really one unified market. If you're living in a small town where everyone knows each other and you can't get any date, do you have no value? If you later move to a big city and you start dating, did it reveal your value or did you build it by moving? What about changing from changing your peasant coat for a stylish jacket…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 09:16 AM
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Yes, it actually goes beyond the gender war: society is becoming ruthless in all kinds of ways. Everyone for themself, everything that's not punishable by law is allowed. I think it goes with globalization and the end of war. I'd like to make a post about it some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 12:59 PM
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I think peak feminism is passed. In this post about a guy who didn't want to leave his seat to a pregnant woman on a bus because her pregnancy was her choice, plenty of comments say he's right. https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/pcii7t/what_did_he_say/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 11:15 AM
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Vibe doesn't mean anything. What she said is that you're too thoughtful. Next time, think less, act more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 11:08 AM
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It's not binary. When you match on a dating site, you're officially declared as liking each other: it's just the start of all the complexity of dating. If you're a man, you shouldn't focus too much on being liked, it's not very meaningful for what you want. Which situation is better between a girl telling you "you're so nice, I like you", or "you're such an asshole"? The answer is that it depends (on how she tells it, what you want from her, what you can do from there), but a priori the men in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 02:41 AM
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If you stop strawmaning and try to look at the issue in good faith, you should easily see that competition makes friendship harder. Just look at male-male relationships in animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 05:39 AM
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You mean you haven't talked at all? Because he blocked you, or because you didn't try? If a guy fucked up, was really hurtful to you, and then patiently waited for a chance to see you without saying anything, you wouldn't be very inclined to take him back, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 09:18 AM
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Maybe if they could be truly useless it would be a progress, since humanity is destructive. The top 10% of men can't impregnate 100% of women. No babies=extinction. That's a very bizarre way to fear a collapse...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 03:27 AM
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That's not being contrary. In a way, it's the opposite, if you measure simplicity/complexity. At 0 complexity (man), you want what you want, no care for the world. At 1 complexity (balanced), you integrate what the world wants into what you want. At 2 complexity (woman) you integrate the contrary of what the world wants into what you want. But then you don't do what you want, you do what the world wants, but you don't want it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 07:10 PM
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Because its contrary That nicely sums up women's psychology :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 06:31 PM
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No, you don't have to do anything illegal. Except maybe in very rare cases, in which you'd do better to fail the test. Although crazies can be hot in bed, so idk, better is subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:59 PM
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It's very common to have to pass over at least one shit-testing push-back, for plausible deniability insurance. It might not be a clear no, but it's tuned to be a "creep-calling grounds if taken literally", and the guy is supposed to either understand that it shouldn't be taken literally, or not care about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:37 PM
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That's not how I use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 01:18 PM
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The original definition of SMV is how easily you get sex. It's your value on the SMP. It's not just looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 12:50 PM
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The feeling might be amplified, idk, but the distribution is unequal no matter how people feel about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:56 AM
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I don't get what you mean. TRPers are a fringe group, whatever they do can't shape the whole distribution of sex and relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:50 AM
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It's an interesting counterpoint to the Chad concept, or even to the concept of SMP, but the fact remains that the distribution of sex and relationships is very unequal for men, much more than for women. The exact mechanisms that lead to this outcome in spite of women having more diverse individual tastes don't matter much. (Men basically take all they can so their preferences don't matter, aggregating a diversity can make a concentration, preselection, the difference between saying "I like this…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:38 AM
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Who are we to tell a couple how they should organize their domestic chores? Whatever they choose is their choice. Why do you believe most women don't book the restaurant when dining out? Why don't most women mow the lawn? Because their couple works like this. If their couple doesn't work, they can see a couple therapist, the solution isn't to try a top-down social reshaping of a whole gender on a specific issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:24 AM
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It's funny how women say at the same time that men are manchildren who couldn't survive without their partner, and that the men who stay single are not chosen because they're worse than the others. But then how do they survive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:27 AM
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Uhhhh love isn't great tbh, Ohhhh love is better. I prefer Yhhhh love, because I'm kinky.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:59 AM
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There's nothing in my synopsis that relates to your description. Do you mean that I should have mentioned that even though it was written by a woman, it isn't chick lit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:43 AM
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Men are drawn to women they perceive other men wanting Not much. This scene is a clear example. More generally, men often like vulnerability / easy targets. And they will always treat you better when courting you than in marriage/LTR. Not always. Again, this guy is an example, it's hard to see him providing much fun as a courter, but as a husband he'd be at least dutiful. He's a fictional and somewhat idealized character, but his type of personality isn't so rare. Today a nerdy introverted guy d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:27 AM
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being a wealthy widow was a pretty good deal That should make the guys who wish for a return of these social norms think twice... Would you really want to have all your meals prepared by someone whose life would be much improved if you died? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:08 AM
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That's not at all what The Devil's Pool is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:05 AM
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According to wikipedia, blacks were 20% in 1750, and around 10% in 1900 and after. But I guess they didn't have much influence on stability since they were slaves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Historical_data_for_all_races_and_for_Hispanic_origin_(1610%E2%80%932020)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 10:37 AM
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Maybe it would make more sense if I had the time to read the whole work. Not much, her character isn't developed. She's more like an archetype. But yeah, I feel like it wouldn't be super normal for women to just do this stuff for laughs and thoughtlessness. Yes, if something like this happened to this degree in real life, I might start wondering if maybe the suitors are gay and courting each other, or maybe she gives them handjobs when her father isn't looking, who knows. But it's not entirely a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:17 AM
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I actually think that it's far from representative of the lifestyle of French countryside widows in the 19th century. But probably not extremely far, I assume that it didn't require a wild suspension of disbelief for a 19th century audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:55 AM
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She has three suitors who are visiting her at her father's home, not only dancing with her at public parties. Presumably they believe they have a chance to marry her, although the father says they don't. Germain declined to become a fourth one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:40 AM
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I think what Germain means is that she should let only one man at a time court her, that if she's entertaining the idea of marriage with one man she should send every other man away.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:15 AM
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There's not much more about the widow. (Just the dinner they all had the night before. The scene, described through Germain's thoughts, was also unfavorable to her). Edit: it was breakfast before mass, not dinner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 05:10 AM
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Human universal... what? Good question. Something about courtship, I guess. In another comment, you definitely seemed to negatively compared the widowed woman to the younger woman. I wanted to express that George Sand makes us feel disdain for this woman and love for the other, like her protagonist feels. While you also provided bo defense for the widow. It seemed too hard, but really, I appreciate that you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:53 AM
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There could also be some interested dudes who aren't sure if they'll be able to do the trip every Sunday and wonder if they would still have a chance if they only come every other week, and plenty of other situations. The guy in the story is indeed not interested - he's actually just fallen in love with another.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:42 AM
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Thanks for your comment, it's nice to have someone arguing for her side. It's a tough job, because as I said in other comments, the nature of the plot and the talent of George Sand work against her; I appreciate your 'fighting spirit' for not letting her down in spite of that. I'm not sure why you imply that I hate her, maybe you're conflating other comments, or you don't like that I compared her to the NATO empire. Personally I don't judge her because she's not a real person. I just enjoyed thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 04:28 AM
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But in the real world, widows who enjoy being courted don't show these traits, or not so strongly, not in the same way - at least the vast majority of them. NATO's generals also don't force-choke people who disappoint them, and don't blow planets to test their new weapons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:37 AM
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The line can be blurry, but most arranged marriages aren't forced marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:53 AM
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That doesn't contradict what I said. The empire in Star Wars has a lot of "red flags" too. But even though you can draw a parallel to the "US empire" (I think "NATO empire" would be more accurate), which also does a lot of awful things, in the real world blowing a military base might do more harm than good, even if you manage to do it without getting killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 11:56 PM
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It's also apex fallacy/survivor bias: the stories of the guys who emigrate and don't find happiness aren't told.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:46 PM
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And you could easily fall in love with the other girl if you read the rest of the novel. George Sand is a very talented writer. It doesn't mean that widows who enjoy being courted are always bad, just like Star Wars doesn't mean that we should always be rebels.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:17 PM
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In season 2, Frankenstein's monster will use his perfect frame to protect Germain from Casanova, and Marie will have to give subtly dosed IOIs to the vampire count of Orleans to prevent a zombie outbreak at the harvest festival!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 12:48 PM
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Well, it's a novel and she's a kind of antagonist, her whole raison d'être is to provide a contrast to the good-hearted heroine, so it's hard to disagree with you. In the real world, I suppose there would be cases where you could advise a man to try his luck at the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:29 AM
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Maybe, idk. I didn't intend to post this as a scientific discovery amounting to anything, it's just art.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 09:37 AM
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Maybe, but otoh, whatever happened to the world was humanity's doing. We have to own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:31 AM
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I know. That was sarcasm, I don't believe in all these talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 04:42 AM
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You have to remember that the guy had been weighed, he had been measured, and he had been found high value. He was viscerally attractive. It wasn't any external factor, it was all him. Saying that he was able to get his life in order because he had the luck of having a gf is incelthought, he would have done it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 04:07 AM
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I'm afraid that the USA will soon try to find a new place to invade. That's what a bully would do, and the military lobby won't want to just LDAR.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 02:43 AM
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Where ever cultures meet, there can be no stability And the US is a melting pot of natives, europeans, africans, and whoever managed to get a visa...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 02:14 AM
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Pussy-blocking by Stacies should be more studied. If the FSM makes it hard for men to speak out about being cock-blocked by Chad, those poor goblins don't stand a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:46 PM
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Did you try taking a shower?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:03 PM
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Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the explanation!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 09:27 AM
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Mods are weird... An hour ago I reported the post saying that discussing external factors is just noise (this one), because it breaks rule 2 of cmv posts, "You must be open to having your view challenged". Now the post has disappeared from my feed: they gave it a little ban just for me, to keep me happy. That's... cute, I guess... (I'm not particularly disappointed that the post wasn't removed. I didn't really expect it, I just hoped to help the mods realize that what many normies want is a cens…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 08:40 AM
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Low value men, it's all your fault! By decree of the FSM, any attempt to analyze external factors of attraction is banned, and anyone holding that thought will be sentenced to sadness for life. This truth is absolute and this topic shall not be discussed. What about status and money? Preselection?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 12:53 AM
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It's not so different. Feeling inferior forces you to be adaptable, being easygoing means you'll accept to submit if it helps, etc. If someone could have purely one side of agreeableness and not the other, the distinction wouldn't necessarily be obvious to an external viewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 03:37 AM
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Today, the behavior that people are incentivized to adopt isn't the way they would want their children to be treated, that's why we call it a decline. It's mostly natural, but culture should alleviate it much better than it currently does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 02:12 AM
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she would be able to find a good and mature partner that wouldn’t care about those things It's possible. At least it's certainly possible to find one who claims he doesn't care. But mostly they were right, her value decreased. I'm not even gonna try to explain it, I think it's easier to accept it as a fact of life: women love height and status, men love big boobs and virginity. I am the one that keeps the finances in our marriage. That's something for which I disagree with RP myself. Personally …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 05:58 PM
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The problem is, these things are not largely what makes someone a good sexual or romantic partner. Most TRP men just want to have sex, and these things are useful for that. I'm not sure if TRP even addresses how to become a good partner, probably MRP does.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 05:21 PM
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All TRP men have "effeminate pussy" genetics my dude. Plenty of TRP men would put you back into your lane quickly IRL, my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:17 PM
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When males who have undesirable traits are able to disguise them it poses a threat for females and higher tier males. Like when dumb psychopaths like you are able to make people believe that they're smart and nice?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:08 PM
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Neither has an interest in mating with the undesired males, or having the undesirable males mate. Desire isn't very appropriate to talk about animal sexuality. How do you know that the bird chicks have no desire for the males who look like an egg? personality, behavior and physical appearance are genetic. No. Without education, we wouldn't talk or walk. No matter how well you learn to copy or emulate an "alpha," you will never be that. Didn't you say that a belief in alphas/betas is an example o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:05 PM
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Things like a belief in alphas/betas, AWALT, or The Wall are examples of pure ideology. Alpha/beta: if you choose an axis and project a population on it, it's not wrong. At most you could say that it's not relevant. The wall: it's an exaggeration of course. AWALT: women are less diverse than men. No matter what you measure (IQ, wealth, n-count, ...), it's likely that men will tend to be spread along the whole range and women will tend to be clustered around the median. And it works with immeasur…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:50 AM
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I imagine a lot of women could have done digger driving or trucking I think trucking was a physically demanding job before power steering became common. Even today, sometimes you're expected to help with loading/unloading, and there's always a risk of some mechanical issue where strength helps. (Could women work there: https://7plus.com.au/outback-truckers ? :) ) But it's true that male-dominated environments lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy situation which makes it harder for women, for a who…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:53 AM
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There wasn't much SMP before the 90's. (There was some subcultures bubbles were casual sex was common, but not a social-wide SMP). And it only became mainstream in the 0's. So, don't blame your parents too much. I think the evolution of the mainstream's perception of gym/fitness/lifting is particularly revealing. It's already hard to remember how, barely 10 years ago, it didn't have a very positive image. Not quite cringey, but ... I don't know, I can't remember :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:51 AM
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i'm afraid that the higher hurdle may be for men to want to work towards being sexy and alluring, because those traits are denigrated as feminine or gay. decidedly unmasculine. That's a real problem. Women are making men compete on women's terms. Being extraverted, socially acute, mysterious, etc. isn't natural for most men. Imagine if the situation was reversed and women had to be athletic and to adopt a straightforward style of communication or be left out: a lot would also denigrate those tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:18 PM
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Well, that's certainly a powerful incentive to keep the fertility rate above replacement level :) I think the incel rate will keep rising a bit, though maybe not up to 50%. A theoretical "solution" could be to aim for a kind of rotation of the incel set, something like everyone having their 15 minutes of fame. But I don't see how women would fall for that... Anyway, my biggest grievance with the situation isn't the intensity of selection but its nature. Things wouldn't be so bad if we could tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:21 AM
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Technically, the protagonists of Pride and Prejudice don't do labor. That's way beneath them, even suggesting it is inconsiderate of their status and dignity. But yes it's definitely rigged, the plot even relies on the fact that the Bennet daughters have to marry as soon as possible, because, being women, they wouldn't inherit anything if their father died.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 09:58 AM
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Overall, you see a society trying to make the widespread monogamy paradigm work, despite it being at tension with female sexual selectivity. Yes. But more than an impossibility to maintain the tension in a fair society, the main "breaker" of widespread monogamy was the appearance of birth control, which enabled the SMP. And I think "female selectivity" is imperfect to describe the impulse that's shaping the SMP today. In a way, women's instincts are also about experiencing variety, but a variety…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 06:58 AM
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no one seems to be telling the men that they have to evolve The main issue seems rather that they have been given shit tests instead of letting them figure out by themselves how to evolve. For example: to not be controlling and demeaning dicks. to be better partners. to actually like and be likeable to their wives. That doesn't work. You don't bring a girl to your bed by making her like you. You bring her to your bed by bringing her to your bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 06:16 AM
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for a while now widespread monogamy has been facilitated by artificial means. [...] rewarding male labor with a disproportionate amount of resources compared to the effort [...] essentially paying women nothing for their work In short, the question is "how wide was the wage gap, historically"? I read that the average French worker in the 18th century spent half his daily wage on bread. Is that so disproportionate? I don't think that, if women had been been given the fair offer of the same amount…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:41 AM
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In many - probably most - cases, the daughter to be married had a lot of input in the decision. See Pride and Prejudice for example. The mother provides some guidance, the daughter acts her part in the courtship and makes her choice, then some negotiations between parties take place, and then the father signs. And that's for a rich family, the proles were probably much more lax. Anyway it doesn't make much difference for the topic of this post. The "primordial gender bargain" shaped what offers …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:00 AM
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Yeah, the US should really start offering an OnlyFans worker visa. Such a waste of opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:34 AM
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Call me when you have real info about "men fleeing leaving behind their wives and children to get raped, enslaved and killed by the Taliban".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:59 AM
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I don't know. And if they aren't, I don't know if their family is in danger. Apparently you don't know neither? You just assumed that it's probably happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:38 AM
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You're talking about it, but did it happen? Where did you get that information?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:26 AM
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You said you were "watching all the men flee leaving behind their wives and children". Where did you see this? Btw, I'm not an expert but I doubt that the taliban would do anything to a married woman (assuming the marriage is halal).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:07 AM
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How do you know that men are leaving their own wives and children? Do you have a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:57 AM
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You remind me of a quote: "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society". It is also no measure of wisdom to be confident in a disturbing world. If you can't make up your mind about marrying, don't. A lot of couples live together without being married, some finally decide to marry when they're old. If she can't love you with your doubts, she doesn't deserve you decided.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 08:49 PM
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Is it so bad, though? Do these your addictions make you unfit for a relationship? If you were stuck in a spaceship with a woman, would she be happier staying in a separate room and only meeting you for lunch from time to time, or sharing a lot of time with you, doing netflix and chill and chats? Let's assume that it's the second, but that in spite of that you're single in the real world. What could cause this divergence? Well, the main reason is probably that in the real world everyone is stress…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:53 PM
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I'm not TRP-endorsed but I believe the idea behind publishing the story is to say "Don't be like Michael. Adapt your goals and work on your personality." I find it sad that apparently the only thing this story makes you feel is sadistic glee. It's a story - more like a parable - about a misguided and unlucky guy. You could have some compassion. He's not even such an awful person as you make him. He calls tattooed musicians losers? That's not such a huge sin, more like a bigoted opinion. He doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 02:46 PM
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If sexuality is unchecked, what can be checked? We're just bodies around our genes, if some behavior makes us more sexually successful, that behavior will spread, and society be damned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:56 PM
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Your post is a very weird way to introduce this discussion. In fact it's a leading question and will probably be removed. It's a pity because there's some interesting discussion to be had here. Personally, I tend to see women in politics with a favorable eye, because I think men are more drawn to power and benefit more from it, and I want my political leaders to be there out of duty, not motivated by interest. No one should want to be president, it should be a sacrifice you do for others. Someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:56 AM
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I think some of it will be solved progressively as the the inefficient BP education evolves. For example, you list a "general feminizing", and men being more passive because of cannabis. In recent decades, a lot of boys were encouraged to treat women with patience and respect, to try to connect with them intellectually rather than physically or emotionally. You can expect the tiktok generation to be more aware that this doesn't work. Some of it is questionable. (Does porn have any negative effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:45 AM
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Because that's what marriage was designed for. If you don't have any lifelong project together, a lifelong exclusive commitment makes much less sense. It's like asking if there's any benefit in setting up a limited liability company to sell handmade clothes on ebay. Or here's a better analogy: you're thinking of buying a boat in co-ownership with a partner. You know how to read a map and maneuver the sails, she knows how to maintain the motor and do carpentry. If you're planning to go together o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 08:46 AM
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Do you mean "apart from children, is there any benefit of marriage for women?" There can be, you might still enjoy the companionship. Imo marriage does lose a lot of its appeal - for both men and women - and all things considered you might be better alone, so I'm not sure if I would recommend it. I suppose it depends on each one's preferences, it would certainly still be a good choice for many. However, most people - both men and women - do want to build a family, and that's where marriage becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 05:07 AM
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How can children not be relevant? If you don't want to have children, then of course marriage loses a lot of its appeal. If you do, it's foolish to want to have them alone. Your husband won't "validate your looks". When you're 80 you won't have any look anymore, and he might be half-blind anyway. But ideally, he'll still be there for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:38 AM
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That, and someone to have children with. You can't stay 23 forever, you know. Having at least one guy still seeing you as beautiful no matter what is a decent cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:25 AM
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Because when he doesn't want you anymore, you get to keep the house. More seriously, when you decide to marry, you're betting on the dream that love will bind your couple together, in spite of old age and anything else. As incredible as it might sound, sometimes it does happen. Some men are indeed able to love their wife even if she's not the best-looking woman in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:16 AM
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Also a better police to restrain high-t men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:25 AM
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Obviously, prisons are violent and army barracks have a hierarchical structure. All boys boarding schools, afaik, have less bullying than mixed ones. The vatican had corruption that got out of control before being controlled. That's not exceptional compared to other countries. USA, for example, are entirely based on corruption (they call it lobbying).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 10:58 PM
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I think some incels would match this definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 12:14 PM
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My own definition is off-topic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 12:13 PM
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When I asked "how to define masculinity", essentially I wanted to point out that it has no direct equivalence to "what women are attracted to" unless you choose to define it circularly like that. With your proposed paradigm, you now have to introduce various corollary explanations about why women are more attracted to some men than others. I don't disagree much with them and don't want to discuss all of it too deeply, but I'll just reply to one thing: It's not that they get wet for violence and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 06:42 AM
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Within your framework, a bully isn't particularly masculine: he doesn't achieve anything by making someone else suffer. In fact, you could say that he's doing that to show off, which isn't far from seduction. A quiet guy who "studied the blade while others were partying" might be much better at fighting and, if you discard the social effect on women, much smarter at using these skills in the right way to maximize the benefit to his imperatives, so, in your evaluation, he should be more masculine…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 04:28 AM
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Aggression: yes, but controlled. Usually between willing participants. If there's an aggressor and a victim who doesn't fight back, the aggressor would have to stop quickly or be shamed. For example, video games can be very "toxic" but bashing noobs is almost never praised. Status jockeying and hierarchical structures: afaik, much less than in mixed communities. In an all-male mining company or off-shore platform, you won't find a "cool guys table" and a "weirdos table", and the job hierarchy do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 02:26 AM
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How do you define what's masculine? Is playing video games masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 01:47 AM
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In most mammals, sexual selection is nothing more than males bullying each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 10:51 PM
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let’s not pretend lovey dovey choices were being celebrated It doesn't have to be about love, but a marriage does celebrate a promise made in front of witnesses, The bride and the groom are both asked to say "I do" by themselves, you don't ask the bride's father to say "she will". Choice or no choice, civilization doesn’t really hinge on private interactions, only what you can inspire en masse Yes. Legal rights (or lack of them) are more like a boundary condition, and usually not the best to des…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:31 PM
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women never had the right to say no to sex, marriage and babies en masse until now It's not really a matter of "right", women were not that oppressed. Technically, in most cultures the marriage is precisely a big ceremony around her saying "yes" in front of witnesses. You should say that society wasn't structured to give ordinary women any desirable alternative (in Christian countries there were convents but you had to pay to enter, or you could become a witch but you needed to be able to sink u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:16 PM
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That's an interesting and very open question. I'd like to point out that assessing if something is fair is never straightforward. Is it fair to tax rich people more? To prevent strong people from bullying the weak? To give sick people free care? Nature isn't fair, fairness is an artificial and contextual concept. And the nature of sexuality makes sexual desire extremely unbalanced in favor of women. Assuming we take rape out of the equation, if people are free to behave without any norms or rest…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 08:44 AM
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You can get charged with sexual harassment for cracking jokes with your friends that others (unintentionally) hear and don't like That reminds me of the famous case of the big dongle joke. (Nobody got charged for sexual harassment, but a guy did lose his job).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:31 AM
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This is compounded by the fact that nowadays men who keep relying on the "responsible and respectful" strategy instead of adapting by becoming a cool bad boy become prerejected losers and aren't even fit for marriage later. Which makes it an even more a losing strategy, fueling the circle. Sandberg's advice was decades ago, today women prefer to stay single than to marry a semi-incel semi-depressed nice guy. How could they boast about it on their facebook wall? "Even though nobody else wants him…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 01:52 AM
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it's not that hard. Keep your fucking hands to yourselves, keep your fucking dick in your pants, and keep your fucking mouths shut about how we look. It's actually not that easy neither. I know it's a very unpopular opinion, but I think it needs to be said: repressing your sexuality isn't easy. You would have a better chance to train a male chimp to speak or to serve cocktails than to train him not to fuck every female chimp he sees. Sure, unlike chimps, men are able to do that, and it's normal …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 06:03 AM
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A lot of the modern world requires you to just go with the flow, without questioning things. Looking for logic or truth isn't just useless, it's unwelcome: you're supposed to switch off your brain and trust the process. Nobody wants to hear your criticisms about how drinking beers at home would be cheaper and more comfortable than a night club, or how some clause of your employment contract is actually illegal, or how the company's guidelines are impractical and never implemented by anyone, ... …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 02:35 AM
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You can have your preferences about men, but calling them superior or enlightened is weird, and assimilating autistic men with rapists is misleading since afaik they rape less than average. And hitting people with the door is an inferior and endarkened attitude. If unattractive beta men managed to get wives before, it wasn't because society enjoyed making women suffer but because it benefited from these men's labor. A "truly enlightened feminist society" discarding them would have been out-compe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 12:31 AM
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About Asperger: I think it's regrettable that the current dating environment is so unfavorable to them. I think there's some truth in the description of autism as an "extreme male brain", and the world is getting more feminine. Or you can describe it as being less skilled in "theory of mind" abilities, and the world is becoming more social. Or they're too blunt and honest, which works for LTRs but not for serial monogamy. Anyway, I think things could be different; it wasn't like this before and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 12:31 PM
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This question can go as deep as you feel, without any definitive answer. Men and women are socialized differently from childhood, and know that they'll have to behave in specific ways to be successful in dating. (In the case of men, unfortunately what they know is often wrong: some men put a lot of effort in becoming an honest, reliable and respectful guy). If a boy does his math homework seriously while a girl spends her time reading cosmo, is there one who puts more effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 12:11 PM
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The one with the biggest boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:04 AM
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https://gap.hks.harvard.edu/orchestrating-impartiality-impact-“blind”-auditions-female-musicians This one has been heavily criticized and doesn't seem replicable. See https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-05-12-blindauditions/ In general I think this topic is probably exaggerated. There are also some examples of preferential treatment for women, but the climate of social science makes it much more likely to investigate and publish "feminist-leaning" studies. And often on these topics people tend to measure…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:13 AM
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A human tribe living like this would have been quickly enslaved by a patriarchal militaristic nation. (And also I don't really get why the tomcat would take off again. A tomman would stay and keep impregnating everyone everyday.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:51 AM
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Usually, men who have to choose between friends and sex choose the sex. Men are just born with lust. There are male support systems and men are often there for each other, most men don't feel like this is particularly missing in their life. (But certainly more could be done, and it's nice to see feminists encouraging it instead of fighting it).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:43 AM
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That's an interesting theory, I'd even be inclined to think that it has some element of truth, but it's mostly a very contrived comparison. It's kind of like saying that people complain about the price of housing but not about the price of rice because they hate landlords: why couldn't it just be that people have enough rice in their life and don't feel any need to complain about this? It's incomparably easier to find a male friend than a girlfriend, and anyway men don't have any strong need for…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 05:58 AM
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I'm fighting for taxes, and I don't consider what Bezos does better than what I do. I'm gonna stop arguing with you about economics, if you were willing to listen you would easily hear enough everywhere. Like, Marx already described our system pretty accurately 150 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:50 PM
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Sometimes, you have to remember to apply "don't listen to women, watch what they do" fairly. Listening to them online can paint them in a worse light worse than watching them irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:38 PM
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That's listening to Painfulmenstruation, I just quoted her. Your example is weird, because when you're paid 7$/hour and your rent is 700$/months and you see pricks who don't pay taxes go to space for fun, yes you should definitely say that you're financially deprived, and fight for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:31 PM
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I don't quite understand what you're trying to convey. Do you mean that loser beta bux men who look up to fuckboys and try to become one themselves are acting like poor babies, because if they were more adult and reasonable they would just jerk off to porn and be happy with their fate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:12 AM
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It's just the inescapable transition of the world's glory, it's beyond good or bad. But if we're restricting our analysis to the western world, it makes more sense to consider it as bad, and "more people live better lives today than at any prior time" doesn't sound like an appropriate statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:07 AM
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Yes. Unwin's theory has a lot of criticisms anyway (I should note that this isn't the same as criticizing Unwin, he didn't refrain from criticizing it himself, he was merely trying to study it objectively). And I believe we are living in unprecedented times, so whatever we can learn from the past should always be taken with caution.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:58 AM
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There's actually an argument that a change in sexual norms (and specifically an increase in women's freedom) leads to a civilizational decline. It's described in "Sex and Culture" by Unwin.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:10 AM
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Men don’t use red pill because they’re desperate and sexually deprived. They only focus on obtaining sex from women because men are impressed by promiscuity in other males and look up to promiscuous men. No. When men aren't desperate and sexually deprived, they tend to see overly promiscuous men as vain and probably dishonest, they generally don't look up to them. Anyway anything that begins with "men only focus on obtaining sex from women because" can't be true. (Except if what comes after is "…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:04 AM
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More people live better lives today than at any prior time. It seems true to me if you're speaking about the world, but false in "the west, especially the USA" which is the topic of this post. So when you say that things are becoming inclusive, it's actually a crucial evolution. The world becomes one, and one's citizenship is progressively becoming a much less relevant factor for their social status. In other words, while 20 years ago all westerners were part of the aristocracy of the world just…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:52 AM
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Man 1 goes on 10 dates and couples up and marries a woman and isn't seeking anymore. The next year 9 men in a bar, and 9 women in a bar, and suddenly women now only receive 9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 requests, the following year 8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1. This assumes that the 10-asker man pairs first, then 9-asker etc. There's no reason to assume this (we could even imagine the opposite: if introverts do more ltrs, a low-asker's date could be more likely to produce a pairing). Let's redo the math with equal pairi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 02:58 PM
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That's an interesting question. Unfortunately it's hard to formulate meaningfully: if you include every human alive, then the drastic increase in life expectancy might give a weird advantage to our time. Unless the drastic decrease in child mortality might cancel it and more... Maybe something like a frequency per "capita that's between puberty and 60"? Or should we make a continuous age weighting function? Maybe a different function for each gender? Should eunuchs get full points, or are they h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 06:08 PM
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Going from "men in trades have more profiles on Ashley Madison" to "men in trades cheat more" is a big leap. Maybe the tradies are actually single and pretending they're not, maybe they're actually white collar guys pretending to be tradies, maybe Ashley Madison advertised a lot on a radio they listen to, maybe they made 3 profiles because they forgot their password, ... My hypothesis is men in trades have more testosterone, are more aggressive so feel they should have more than 1 woman. Second …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:02 PM
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anyone saying they don’t have no concept of natural looking lashes. Don't be so categorical. Different men have different tastes, and usually "natural looking" is still slightly uncanny (in a good way for many men, maybe even most, but not all).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 02:16 PM
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Lashes and nails aren't exactly about being more attractive; I believe there are more men who dislike them than men who like them. It's like a tattoo or a piercing: something you do because you enjoy it, a fashion statement. If, being the kind of woman who enjoys it, you want a man who appreciates it and who's willing to pay a premium for it, that's a personal choice, there's no reason to make it a cultural norm. For hair, clothes, contact, and skincare, the expectations on men are similar nowad…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:56 PM
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But apparently you're not them, and if you keep doing what you're doing it's not gonna get better but worse; you'll get a job and become older, your life will stay boring, and your lack of preselection will be worse every year. To get out of your catch-22, you have to consider bold actions. What's wrong with taking drugs? Are you afraid of damaging your health? You should be more afraid of wasting your life for no reward, of girls seeing you as meek and insignificant, as someone who'll keep acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:30 AM
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Sucks to be you. If it's more exciting for women to reject you than to fuck you, they'll reject you every time. And don't put too much hope on being an interesting guy able to have deep conversations and looking for an LTR instead of a FWB, it doesn't work. Maybe you should try to take drugs. Another important thing is to get a few good friends so you'll have some social validation: it's not as good as being seen making a cute girl laugh, but much better than nothing. For best results you should…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:55 AM
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It is important, but if you want to know about it you need to ask men, or to watch women. Asking women will get you nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:34 AM
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You mean women can write a tag and other women will see it? That's also something I've thought about. Women care a lot about the opinion of other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:49 AM
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I prefer to think for myself and judge ideas on their truth and worth, not on how fashionable they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:39 AM
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We probably don't disagree much, but when you said "evolution hasn't caught up", it sounds like without the fast pace of civilization sexual selection would work wonderfully. I'm just saying that it would work as all natural things, i.e. it would just be what it is, without aim, as much a consequence as a cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:21 PM
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That's a very female way of thinking: that idea is bad for you, because people won't like you... (I know OP is a man, I'm just saying he argues like a woman)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:36 AM
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Evolution isn't supposed to make optimal choices anyway: there's not even any fundamental measure of what's better for a species to begin with. Nature is as nature does, there's no sense to it. And selection is made by the combination of environmental pressure and sexual selection, so sexual selection itself is even less optimal. Look at the peacocks: brighter and bigger feathers are "better" genes, but what does that mean? (If you want a scientific answer, the handicap theory says that they mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:18 AM
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One reason is that there's a "barrier to entry" in the dating market: even besides being attractive because of given traits like looks, money, status, men need to perform, to approach, to have game, etc., which requires a specific set of skills that today aren't granted to most men. So, for every man trying to become successful on the market, the bar is high, while for every man already successful, the bar is low. Imagine a company whose recruiting process requires applicants to provide 3 expens…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:31 AM
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The main factor that decides if a man will commit or not is the other options he has. But if he doesn't have many options, you probably won't be attracted to him, and if you do he'll start having many options as soon as you start dating... So, it's hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:07 AM
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Being your boyfriend means using you for sex, every man will want sex. So, you want to avoid the men who only want sex. Ok, but you don't mention the things you want on top of this. Money? Exclusivity? Cuddles? Children? Have you even tried just asking him if he would provide them? Have you even asked yourself what you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:53 AM
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I think women see it more as sharing $1000 vs having to pay $100 by yourself: the value of "low value men" is actually negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 03:54 AM
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you’ll weed out all the girls who will hurt you because of it. Not necessarily. They'll hurt you without sleeping with you, that's the main difference. They can use you for free dinners, to make someone jealous, for fun, ...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:30 PM
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Yes. But, if we go back to the example with the guy wearing pajamas: wearing them isn't a guarantee that the relationship will end painlessly for him. Girls don't care at all about hurting the men who don't pass their vetting - they even tend to enjoy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 11:45 AM
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A lot of men today can't find any woman who wants to be loved by them. Often because they're naive nice guys who dream of love just like you described it, but women actually want to be viewed as an object to be conquered.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:54 AM
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Yes of course I'm serious. There might be exceptions, but basically having a girlfriend is like getting a delicious cake to eat everyday. You're sad when it stops, but you're still glad you had it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:51 AM
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they break up, resulting in more pain for both parties than if they hadn’t dated in the first place. That's not at all how it works for men. Being single is almost always more painful than having a girlfriend then losing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:36 AM
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At the end of the day, when we’re all on our deathbeds, I think we will all wish we had loved more and warred less. For a lot of men today, this implies "I wish my game had been better".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 07:30 AM
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They'd have to follow it to an absolute standard, not to their own. Anything that can reasonably be expected to lower happiness is forbidden. No violence (so no rape, and consequently no fear of rape), no lying or deception (no cheating, automatic trust), no unprotected sex if you aren't sure that you're clean and willing to raise a child, no mocking, no unfair discrimination, ... Only niceness everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 11:14 AM
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Everyone will follow the letter of my decrees? So I could just write "be nice", and most problems in the country would disappear at once? (But women would be stuck with only nice guys so maybe I'd have to add "you can be naughty in bed" or something like that).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 05:24 AM
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You could easily bring him up without people defending him if you didn't try to use his case to talk about rape sentencing. Say "a felon was sentenced to 6 months" and nobody will bat an eye. Say "a rapist was sentenced to 3 months" and people will be shocked and react and fall into your stupid trap. This is dumb, and you should argue like an adult instead of doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 02:12 AM
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I don't care, I'm not opening his wikipedia page again, this is tiring. If you think rape sentencing is too light, show real data instead of trying to argue with weird tricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:29 AM
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Sexual assault isn't rape, if you want to say that rape isn't punished severely don't bring up a case of sexual assault. If he had been found guilty of rape it would have been more than 3 months. And btw it was 6 months, he did 3 months in jail because that's how the system works. And the fact that 3 felony conditions were met instead of just one isn't very relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:01 AM
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He was convicted of sexual assault, not rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 09:49 PM
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Part of the explanation is that for casual sex, women choose more muscular men than their "normal" stated preference. Men aim to be chosen for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 11:16 AM
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We don't know if women would have contributed as much as men if there had been no bias against them. Maybe we'll find out with time, but there are good reasons to suppose that they're less likely to be extremely skilled, even in intellectual things. I agree that 100 years is a short time to remove any bias. The fact that men are better than women in math isn't a myth, it's a fact, but there could be a kind of lingering collective nocebo effect that's still affecting them. But this effect could b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 10:37 AM
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The male sex has every ability to create and motivate and provide opportunities for boys like they always have. So for example men should have a bias for men in professional settings? Male cliques in upper management should hang out together and make sure women don't feel welcome? Male teachers should lobby for support groups exclusively for boys? You think it's a pity that these things are disappearing, and we should bring them back "like we always did"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 03:38 AM
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The thing is that after centuries of capitalism, combined with technological innovation, we've arrived at a point where the value of work is too weak compared to the value of capital. If you have capital you're good and if you don't you're screwed. Trying to compete in the rat race is futile, it's not a competition anymore, it's just exploitation. On top of that the ecological collapse weighs on people's minds - unless they're naturally sociopathic - and makes ambition less appealing. So the rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 12:34 PM
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Go tell men to stop tearing down their habitat for palm oil. It's not a gendered thing. I do try to tell people to stop making so many babies so we can have a chance of slowing down the palm oil expansion, but people just deflect the conversation by saying that I don't know the entire lives of women and then they say that I'm trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 06:05 AM
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And women haven’t ever experienced coercion and control around their reproductive labor? In the past, yes. It's nice that we stopped that. You can say you don’t want more babies, but you are directly going to benefit from them whether you want to or not. There's no benefit from more babies. They have a negative value. They kill orang-utans and they demand iphones and videogames. You can disagree of course, but here you just sound like you don't even understand my point of view. (And by the way, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:39 AM
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Yes, that's what the op is about: you don't need any individual man, but you depend on a collectivity of men "playing their part in society". But according to your initial comment, your part is to make babies and receive an iphone, which are both things that you want, while some guys have to make iphones and see their orang-utans neighbors replaced by your babies, both things they don't want. This relies on a systemic coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:01 AM
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Pussy is on the table for some men because women are having babies. You can ask these men to make you iphones, but you have no legitimacy to ask anything from the others, that's all I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:42 AM
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As I said, what the dude cares about first is not being single. Whatever else you offer, it will be hard to sustainably convince a population of single men to keep making iphones for you if pussy is off the table. You can manage it a bit with weed porn and video games but mostly you need systemic coercion. Including cops in your offer is disingenuous, since single men would be the least inconvenienced ones if the rule of law disappeared. About overpopulation: it's not another story and it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 03:07 AM
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That's assuming he becomes a cardiologist and not a gangster or a politician. Besides, single men tend to not care much about cardiology or about anything else than the fact that they're single. And although it's debatable, I'd say that the value of bringing another human to the world today is negative. We have plenty of them already, they're taking the space of elephants and orang-utans
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 02:20 AM
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But all that baby stuff you do is useless to the men who make iphones if you're not having their babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:03 AM
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Waiting about 3 dates would sound right to me, but I'm afraid the current landscape makes it hard. If other girls expect men to escalate to sex on the first date, men have to do that: a man being too bold is forgivable but not bold enough is instant doom. So you'll have to handle dating men who consider not reaching sex as a relationship-ending failure. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 12:55 PM
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That's very surprising. I'm not outright saying that these numbers are wrong, but... Other sources don't agree. For example: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130718142425.htm According to "Marriage: More than a Century of Change," the U.S. marriage rate is 31.1, the lowest it's been in over a century. https://ourworldindata.org/marriages-and-divorces (see the graphs "Marriages per 1,000 people" and "Share of men in England and Wales married by a certain age") Edit: I was so surprise…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 04:40 AM
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financial dependence doesn’t negatively influence people’s freedom to choose. Finances still influence things, even if it's not the simple paradigm from before. It's hard for poor men to be successful on the SMP, and since economic inequalities are growing, it's getting harder. (While their poor women neighbors are turning to onlyfans and sugaring).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 04:25 AM
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1900 40% of men never married Do you have a source for that? Is it in the US, in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 04:13 AM
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That's not quite true, we do feed the world today despite wasting about one third of all food produced because of inefficiencies in the system. However I essentially agree with your point of view: too many humans. We're already on a course to be eating bugs in a few decades, if we took rational collective decisions we would slow down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 03:18 AM
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In all these kinds of discussion I think people tend to overestimate the importance of women's preferences. Women are very passive, how you make her feel and how much she likes you isn't the only thing that determines if you'll fuck her or not: often, what really matters is what you do to bring her to your bed. She can fuck you even if she doesn't feel like it if you do the right moves, and obviously she won't fuck you no matter how she feels if you don't move.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:00 AM
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What don't you get about that? You sound like you're trying to convince me of the exact thing I was saying to you: tingles aren't a sign of "good genes" and being good at dating means almost nothing outside dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 08:54 AM
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Pretty vs ugly: supposedly it signals fitness Slim vs overweight: heavily overweight is unfit, otherwise maybe slim looks more vulnerable and easier to take Big asses and boobs: hard to say, probably just more exciting because more visible Nerds: afaik men don't care if a woman is a nerd, some like them even more What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 08:31 AM
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You're trying to rationalize tingles with bad logic. First, genes giving you a propensity to go wrestling with lions would be totally unfit. Early humans scared lions away with fire, rocks, and friends. Chasing invaders was important however, as was invading others, and generally intimidating other males to appropriate the females. Second, the accountant may very well have "better" genes than the fuckboy. Being good at dating means almost nothing about your ability to do anything outside dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 08:16 AM
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masculinity is mastery of one’s own maleness. I like that, it's well said and it would be nice if it was the generally accepted concept. Unfortunately it's not: "women like masculine men" doesn't mean that they like men with self-control, they prefer the ones with raw maleness (including aggressiveness). Modern society hasn't really defined how modern men should master their maleness, which leaves the concept a bit empty. Part of the problem is that society itself doesn't mean the same as before…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 11:21 PM
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It doesn't need to make sense, it's how they feel like acting. But if you want to try to see the sense, imagine living around swarms of people much stronger than you and completely obsessed by you, to the point of being willing to work for a week for just one night with you (I think that's about the market price?). Any clue about how they can achieve that will be used and overused, anything you say or do might be distorted and exaggerated to manipulate you. Passivity and gaslighting naturally be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 03:39 PM
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Besides what's already been said, another common reason is that they don't want to have to explain that the guy should be more brutal. It's taboo. (And they also feel like if he has to be told it's like cheating: it's not real brutality, it's obedience.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 08:32 AM
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What do you mean? Today women are the ones who decide who's a loser anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 07:00 AM
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Because they have no interest in understanding it. And when they do understand it, they certainly don't talk about it: shitting on loser men is a primal instinct for women, admitting that it's unfair would spoil their fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 05:02 AM
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I said "what I'm trying to argue". Oh, what a devious lie I did: I used the word "argue" instead of just "what I was saying", even though I don't want to extrapolate my argument. Please just don't waste my time again at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 11:34 PM
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Unfortunately that's not enough to make it allowed, since the owner class doesn't benefit from people taking them. But the short-term effect (a sedated workforce) is becoming less important, and the long-term effect (open-minded voters) is too long-term to be taken into account in a crisis-like political setup. So I believe they'll become allowed in around a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 10:16 AM
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I said that "a rich yuppy working in finance and flying in private jets accelerates the destruction of ecosystems". There is enough evidence all around you and it's off-topic here, so I'm not gonna extrapolate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 07:43 AM
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Next time don't ask her to choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 07:26 AM
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You shouldn't get too inflamed about a temporary restraining order. It's normal for the police and justice to play it safe while they investigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 07:17 AM
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Of course you don't have to agree, but I will never be convinced our system isn't a marvel of human achievement that has been a massive net positive for human beings. Ok, but that doesn't mean much. What I'm trying to argue is that rich yuppies have a net negative effect on value added to people's lives and on the survival of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 07:12 AM
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It's not particularly a problem or a challenge but I think the influence of drugs will slowly grow stronger. Cannabis is already a significant part of our culture. Acids are still more "counter-culture" but they're steadily rising. Soon there will be more permissive legislations, LSD or psilocybin might be authorized in some places, ...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 06:32 AM
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Rich yuppies are improving lives I don't think so. Of course they improve some lives (their own, and maybe the lives of the shareholders they work for), but overall I think their net effect is negative. Eat the rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 06:06 AM
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TL,DR: If you are not doing your part to ensure continued human survival, your life has no value. But today, having value (economical and sexual) isn't correlated with ensuring human survival, it's the opposite. A frugal semi-employed nice guy collaborating in open-source projects helps the future of humanity. A rich yuppy working in finance and flying in private jets accelerates the destruction of ecosystems. Only the second one has value.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 12:48 AM
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More or less, yes. the basic RP advice is to get rich and spin plates (not by paying them, just by having a rich lifestyle). You also have to take into account that our discussions here are very western-centric, and the west is losing its supremacy. Everything becomes global now, Chinese elites do sex tourism in Europe and Western elites do sex tourism in China. You're not an elite just because you're western anymore. For the vast majority of western citizens, this is like falling from aristocra…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 09:41 AM
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It's impressive how much this guy gets downvoted. He's saying reasonable things, even explains that there are two sides to the story... But no, for the gynocentric groupthink, only one side is allowed a voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 06:34 AM
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Peoples reproductive behavior evokes different opinions depending on their gender. It's not particularly baffling, and the way you phrased your post doesn't sound like you want to discuss the issue in good faith. (And I don't think you'll find much complete adoration for single fathers on most female-centric subs).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 02:56 AM
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Then the title is badly chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 02:42 AM
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Does it mention any hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 01:55 AM
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When you say there's hatred for single mothers, you mean on PPD? As far as I know, normal society has nothing but praise for single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 01:29 AM
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That's interesting: a social science study that says something unfavorable to women, published in a mainstream media, without even any snarky sentence spinning it as men's fault (or patriarchy's fault).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 03:10 PM
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If the assumption that only men can debate is true, then the rational thing to do would be to ban women on PPD and redirect them to FDS where they'll be in their natural environment, free of debate. Unfortunately, mods are gay and women keep coming. What are you gonna do? Some naive bloops who read the discussion might buy into women's lies, so you kind of have to present a reply. It's like struggling with water, not really debating, but you can do some damage control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 03:13 AM
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Didn't stop me from fantasizing about the guy the stuck up for me. It's likely that he was fantasizing about you too. In fact it's pretty much certain: he was a boy and he saw your 'muff'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 07:16 AM
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Vulnerability is attractive to men, just like power is attractive to women. (But in a much lesser degree; it's negligible compared to hip-waist ratio. And men aren't selective anyway.)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 07:32 PM
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Ok, why do you mention that here? Maybe I wasn't clear: I didn't want to say that we need to stop enjoying the decline because it has bad consequences, only that it would be inconsistent to both say it and dismiss the fact that the new generation is growing in a declining environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 07:23 PM
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Of course, just like if you aren't in the mood to read a story to your kids, you can tell them "not tonight, sorry". You just find a balance. (Or maybe, for some people, you throw balance to the winds because you hear God's word in your head and any resentment is banished by the sacred fire of your devotion. Sounds creepy, but let's not judge, everyone has their kinks).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 06:05 AM
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I agree that this text is creepy, but having some element of duty in your sex drive isn't necessarily so bad, you can love doing your duty. If you have children, you certainly love telling them bedtime stories, even on the days where it also feels like a duty. If your husband prepares a romantic weekend for your anniversary, there are strong chances that organizing it was an annoying chore to him, but it doesn't mean that he'll resent you for putting him through this (if he does, your couple is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 04:38 AM
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Men don't have any problem with female protagonists. Star wars had women in it from the beginning (Leia). If you want other examples: Beatrix Kiddo, Sarah Connor, Ellen Ripley, Scarlet O Hara, Xena, Dorothy (from the wizard of Oz), Nausicaa, Sarah Kerrigan, Samus Aran, ... I've never heard any criticism about their gender. What annoys people is when a character feels forced, when it seems that "showing women empowerment" was artificially added as a design constraint to the story and the writers …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 11:55 PM
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I'd propose a corollary-- young women are no longer coerced to be in LTRs due to financial or religious circumstances causing the societal rate to decline It's surprising that OP didn't include this, I thought it was the most commonly accepted factor on PPD. There's a corollary to it too: men are becoming much less useful because there's less wars and automation replaced all the physical jobs with "people jobs".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 09:41 PM
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men abuse women statistically at MUCH higher rates No. They're stronger, so the abuse has more physical consequences, but the prevailing assessment from social studies is that women abuse their partners about as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:03 PM
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Girls suffer disproportionately... That's the tagline of our times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:00 PM
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Personally I believe that the issue is worth investigating. The tik-tok generation seems to be more, let's say, sexually based. And regarding sex, our animal base isn't far from rape. We can't keep saying "enjoy the decline" and dismiss the effects of the decline on the younger generations. Unfortunately, these kinds of articles aren't studies, they're propaganda. Just read this sentence: Nine out of 10 girls and half the boys who took part in the review said being sent unsolicited explicit pict…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 11:42 AM
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It's more than bribing votes, they have to maintain the political infrastructure in such a way that the owners party is the only choice. For the efforts that go into snuffing any possibility of a Sanders-like nomination, they need a cadre of small owners with a vested interest in maintaining the system in the long term. If too many sons of newspaper columnists, judges or other middlemen are failing, they might want to do something for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:41 AM
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Yeah, you might be right. On the other hand, the elite needs the support of small owners, they can't hold all the whips themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 10:08 AM
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So if the woman hurt the man (physically or psychologically), then the man should have custody? What if the abuse was mutual, should we put the children for adoption?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 07:54 AM
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Yes. If you are looking for an ltr, most participants don’t like fakery and lies. This is actually a strong part of the problem: the traditional advice is for LTRs, but dating has evolved. Today, men want STRs, and even if they want LTRs they need to be successful on the SMP all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:27 AM
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And on the other hand, a lot of male readers got disgusted reading about suiciding orbiters and paternity fraud, which illustrates my point: compared to men, women don't have many strong incentives to be hurtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:21 AM
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That's a weird reply. It just sounds like a big "no, I'm right and you don't understand because you're privileged". But you don't even say how you disagree with me. Whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 04:17 AM
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I think it's just smarter to get the lay of the land, vent/grieve, then use 100% of tools at your disposal (even if you only have the one) and build your best life. Sure, but as Jacquelope says, when everybody does just this society becomes worse. There's a strong collective part in building your best life, for example automatic paternity testing or positive action for women in STEM need to involve the government. It's good to have a place like here to debate, raise awareness and exchange opinio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 03:52 AM
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The government's main role is to maintain and expand the oppression of the working class by the owner class. When it becomes known that the rich aren't paying taxes, its action is to investigate the leak and punish the whistleblowers. So, they'll probably legalize prostitution when the sons of the owner class start having too much trouble on the SMP. Otherwise nobody cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 01:22 AM
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Let's reduce it to being short for simplicity (assume we're in an imaginary universe where women have nothing against about the rest). How many of the men complaining about the dating scene are actually tall enough to date? That's the same as asking if women's height requirements for dating are justified, and the answer is that there's no justification, they just decide it that way. And if some people think that women should lower the bar or raise it higher, there's nothing to reply to them, exc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 12:47 AM
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There's no objective measure of what's a deficiency. A twitcher gamer who's the overlord of his WoW guild and spends his days talking to people and being admired by his peers could be judged by you as having "no social skills". A happy hippy with no career prospect could be in an open threesome and fucking new hotties every week. And if we define deficiencies as the things that lower your "mainstream attractivity", then your question is circular.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 04:59 PM
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Are you sure that liking her would influence the algorithm in a suboptimal way? Showing you fewer 10s that are out of your league and more 7s sounds better for you. Don't you want to stop worrying and love the algorithm?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 03:22 PM
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No the toxics are the ones who wouldn't last. They thrive today because in a civilized urban society we're all strangers to each other but we stay peaceful towards strangers. In a hunter-gatherer world, your survival depends on being liked by the tribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:56 AM
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I'm not responsible for 1. Women responding to sexually relevant mates. Be stronger. It's not about you personally, but why wouldn't women be responsible for their sexual choices? If I understand you, when a woman is in an abusive relationship and keeps coming back to the guy, we shouldn't try to tell her to leave him, we should manage to render the guy unattractive to her? Like having a governmental domestic response squad that comes to beat him with clubs in front of her? Why does it seem so a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 07:46 AM
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In many animal species, males challenge each other for dominance - for example deer doing antler fights. The loser flees and keeps its tail low, the winner mates with the females. They don't fight to the death and they're usually not severely injured: it's semi-codified, it's just a specific physical exercise on which sexual selection is based. Humans are apes, women are still perceptive of the same kind of attitudes, and being nice automatically puts you in the position of the male that keeps i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 07:29 AM
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It seems very variable, both from woman to woman and during the course of pregnancy for each woman. Keep in mind that your friends experiencing higher libido are more likely to report it to you than the ones experiencing lower libido. What pregnant women tell their female friends and how they act with their husbands might be different. Anyway, maybe it wasn't the best example, it doesn't matter much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:17 AM
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Ask them. The fact is that often their libido decreases, especially towards the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:06 AM
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Why? Not everything has to be equal, gender differences are real, and you have no legitimacy to tell people how to live their sexual lives. If they're happy in relationships where the woman gives more blowjobs than the man licks clit, so be it. What if women just don't want to have their clit licked very often, should they reduce their blowing in accordance? So for example nothing during periods or pregnancy? And would you also find it fucked up that men do 70% of restaurant bookings and women o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 04:53 AM
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What gap could exist in a lesbian couple? Between the butch and the femme? Maybe there is, idk. In a hetero couple, it's likely that it's easier for the woman to give orgasms to her man than the opposite, and maybe also that he wants more of them than she does. 70% doesn't seem dysfunctional to me, it's not so wrong to have some element of "sex as a reward for the man" in a functional couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 04:30 AM
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Generally these numbers are reported as around 30% chance of orgasm for casual sex and 70% chance of an orgasm from relationship sex, with men in the 90-100% range for both. For relationship sex: 70% seems ok to me considering biological / evo-psych differences. For casual sex: obviously Chad doesn't care about the girl. Women select him precisely on this trait: if he had showed too much inclination to care about her pleasure during the evening, she wouldn't be in his bed for the night. And it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 04:03 AM
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I agree in some part with what you say. Now you should take the next step in your thinking: if the praxis that men must adopt to get sex make them boring, what does that tell you about women and about modern society? Remember also that a lot of men tend to have some aversion for a lot of the RP philosophy. It's a pill that's hard to swallow. It's called a decline. It's amoral. It's openly described as a gender-flipped version of women's tactics. But in spite of all that, if it's efficient to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 10:25 AM
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"Taking over" sounds very exaggerated at the moment but I believe they're gonna become more common and destigmatized over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:02 AM
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As far as I know, usually prostitution is a set price for just sex and every client is the same, while SBs choose who they want to see and there's more "customization" in what the companionship provides.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:00 AM
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Funny how in 3-5 years the conversation around the red pill shifted from "dangerous misogynistic sect based on lies" to "just common sense, people who didn't get it naturally are weird losers".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 06:16 AM
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Don't you have better things to do than trolling people who write things you don't like with dumb questions? I do, so I won't bother replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:23 PM
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I suppose that's a reply to me? You should have written it as a reply to me then. I don't really get what you're saying, now it seems to me that you have expression issues on top of your perception issues. Anyway, most of these posts are not about saying that the dating realm is more favorable to women, they're about all kinds of things related to dating and gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:20 AM
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Here is the ppd page as it appears to me (sorted by hot). Can you tell me which ones of these posts "are about how the dating realm is more favourable for women"? Are you sure that they're "most of the posts"? Or are you just so triggered by the idea of men complaining that it fills your perception no matter how much space it really takes? Discussion Men develop theories and rules about women’s behavior because that’s the way men understand social situations. CMV The average woman is more attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 10:53 AM
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being agreeable to men doesn’t get you far in life. And being agreeable to women neither. Hence the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:35 AM
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If you're a woman, you're atypical for saying this. Most women say that they would never agree to a harem situation. (If you watch what they do, some of them tend to accept soft harem situations, but almost all need to be able to plausibly deny accepting it, ideally by avoiding to even be aware of it). But I agree that, if we could ask apes, the females would probably say that they don't care much about being the unique partner, they just have a strong preference for being the main.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 08:08 AM
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No, that would be removed but the mods. Of course people tend to write about issues about which they personally care, and they're welcome to relate their own experience with the issue, but it must be conducive to a general discussion. Rants and posts asking for personal advice are explicitly not welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 07:50 AM
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Does that surprise you? Maybe you should question what you believe a bit more?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 07:21 AM
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Your post actually implies that men are better at looking at the world and figuring things out. Identifying others’ mental states to respond with an appropriate emotion is less useful for what we do on PPD than inferring the rules that govern non-agentive deterministic systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 04:09 AM
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If you don't agree with a view but you don't have anything to say against it except "that's not how I feel", people will say that you have no insight. Deal with it. Preferably not by saying "but IRL I'm better than you at navigating social situations and figuring people out, so you're the loser".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:59 AM
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But here on PPD we're not figuring people out, we're discussing social issues in a systemic way. And your post has a strong condescending tone, like you want men to apologize for doing that. Imagine that I speak English better than you and you speak Spanish better than me, and on an English-speaking forum you say that the way I express myself seems stilted and ineffective to you, that I'm just doing the best I can with what I have. No, you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:43 AM
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PPD is an internet forum dedicated to analyzing issues in systemic ways. If you think men are more adept at doing that, you should praise them and apologize for the weakness of your gender, not try to frame it as men being inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 03:25 AM
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Humans are apes, we may have very unique features but there's not much reason to believe that we are fundamentally different on the basic stuff. To what extent can female and male apes peacefully coexist while carrying out their own imperatives? Apes just don't peacefully coexist, there's always conflict, and it's true for humans too. To begin with, the male imperative is conflicting itself since each male wants all the females. It might seem off-topic, but it puts things in context: sexual sele…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:33 AM
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I already wrote some reasons: having their own potential for children, and being more social and more attuned (I'd even say more addicted) to modern society. There's also more affirmative action for them. But I think it's mainly the children. It would be interesting to compare single childless women over 50 with single childless men over 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:56 AM
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From what I've read, married men with children are doing rather well. So, the answer seems obvious: men who have no wife and no children have no motivation to put effort into things. Especially since today the correlation between putting efforts and getting sex is very weak: what matters is being tall and handsome, being funny, and being already getting sex. Women have a potential for children in their own bellies, so I guess this doesn't affect them in the same way. And most of them always have…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 04:32 AM
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Having a relationship, even a failed one, often gives men some motivation, drive and happiness. In fact, even paying a prostitute once can help.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:47 AM
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women needed a man’s signature This sounds as if it was legally required, but it was only a common practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:33 AM
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It was only a common practice, and single men also had difficulties getting credits. (I agree that women had less financial opportunities, but don't distort it).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 12:05 AM
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Your link says allowed. If you want to talk about opportunities, that's indeed a very different thing, about which we could argue forever so I won't start.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 02:12 PM
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Yes, all women were allowed to handle money in 1981.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 01:39 PM
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40 years ago, women in general were definitely allowed to handle money. There were women bankers in the 16th century, you know...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 01:20 PM
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Why do you have to make such a strawman? Couldn't you just ask "if you think women shouldn't focus so much on wealth, what should they focus on"? My answer would be moral qualities first, and also all other kinds of qualities. Your children will need a good dad more than they'll need money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 01:14 PM
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Most relationships fail in the end - even a lot of marriages. People still want relationships, and men want a lot of them so "failure" is a necessary step for them, also called "dumping". From your point of view, a relationship that lasts only 3 months is a failure, it didn't "fix" anything in your life. From the point of view of a fuckboy, it's 3 good months, well worth some efforts and a few lies. From the point of view of an incel, it's a dream of paradise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 01:06 PM
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It's vague and they don't discuss it so we don't know if it explains the discrepancy or not. I only read quickly, I didn't even see any use of their separation of jobs into 3 groups according to sex ratio. They did it, then completely left that aspect out of their analysis. I suspect that it's because that aspect didn't support their intended goal of showing a male privilege, but it's just a suspicion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 12:46 AM
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Thanks, that's actually a progress from 10 years ago when disagreeing with this was a thoughtcrime.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 11:48 PM
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And if I don't, it's not cool?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 11:42 PM
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i said it in response to another source that was sent So, off topic. And sure you cant prove that with one study If you agree with my point, it's pretty shitty to ask me to repeat it and say I have no defense when I refuse. The fact that men are on average privileged in our society is well known and I can send more sources if you wish That's what was asked originally (by lemazaki, not me).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 11:37 PM
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I'll resay it then: my point is that in general you can't show that men are privileged with just one study and this study in particular is not reliable because they didn't follow the principles they set out. I only mentioned the ratio of men in a profession in relation to this particular study, and the fact that "professions with more masculine ratios are on average better jobs" is off topic when discussing this study.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 11:23 PM
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I followed some links to get more info, the full study is here, they give supplementary data (link in the Method section). But it's still vague. (Edit:) They sent more applications to "masculine" jobs if that's what you wondered.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 11:20 PM
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If there are a men and a woman with the same education and experience and that work the same amount of hours the men is likely to get more money and have less issues getting hired. You can't know that, it's very hard to measure. And I've read that today childless women under 40 have a better career than men so actually the opposite could be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 10:53 PM
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My point is clearly stated in my comment, and your comment is off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 10:38 PM
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That's just one study, made by people who intended to show male privilege. You can always twist numbers in the way you want them. I just looked at their data. They say: by design, we decided to send applications to an approximately equal number of job openings in each of the 18 types of jobs (occupations) that resulted from multiplying the three levels of education by the three sex ratios by the two decision-making categories in which we divided all job openings. But actually they sent 30% more …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 09:41 PM
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The second can also gives you free energy: if you can lift 100kg up 10km, that's 10MJ. Do it every second, and you're producing 10MW. (See So You've Learned To Teleport for other practical uses).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 12:28 AM
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The weird thing is that for personality, the most attractive men have a mix of traits that actually leans a lot on the female side (extraverted, social, admired, ...). If you took a dating website that has "compatibility questions" (like OkCupid) and ranked people according the closeness of their answers to other men or other women, the most manly men would be unattractive and a lot of the most attractive men would be highly womanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:29 PM
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He's even made to be the target of Jim's pranks - and the audience is supposed to side with Jim. Jim is what women mean when they say they like nice guys: liked by everyone and bullying low value men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 02:54 AM
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Who knows who cares. You seem to know and care when you say "if they didn’t want me, they won’t get me".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:56 PM
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It's being nerdy, effeminate and metrosexual. Do you even lift?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:49 PM
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Don't be so salty. Even the RP caricature of a woman can add to your life, and AF/BB is an abstract concept, reality isn't so binary. And who knows if "they didn't want you"? Your mindset didn't allow you to do the appropriate praxis to start a relationship, and they didn't compensate by being unicorns, but maybe they were secretly dreaming that you'd come ask them out with perfect frame, that everyone would recognize how strong and dateable you were, and that they could start dating you instead…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 09:27 PM
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You're thinking of men having their penis made to enter a vagina against their will? But what about having a penis forcefully entering their asshole? I think that's as traumatizing as for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 05:36 AM
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I saw a screenshot some time ago where maybe someone asked reddit administrators to not shut down some MRA group - I don't remember the details - and the administrators' answer implied that there can't be sexism against men because men are the privileged group. So, do we need to include "don't go on reddit" to your list of things to avoid to not be affected by feminism? Another example: in Spain the laws to protect women from domestic violence have been criticized as unconstitutional, but they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:08 AM
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10 years ago TRP was described as a cesspool of deluded misogynists whose entire philosophy was irremediably wrong and hurtful. You would never read anything positive about it in mainstream media. But you say the "common sense" would actually have agreed with a sample of their ideas. Don't you think there's something akin to "being lied to" at work there?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:59 AM
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10 years ago, if you had showed men between 16 and 35 a sample of RP ideas and asked them "true or false"?, I think most of them would have said false. Today, I'm not sure. The tiktok generation seems to be wiser (while still dumb in their own way of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 01:17 AM
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To be fair, men underestimate the strength of all other men: Onion Report: Average Male 4,000% Less Effective In Fights Than They Imagine
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 01:00 PM
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We don't know if it was last week or 20 years ago, what the event was exactly, why the feminists were angry, ...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 12:33 PM
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I guess that's a good example of modern feminism: it's not about empowering women anymore, that's already been done, it's just about enjoying the sweet taste of male tears.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:57 AM
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That video isn't very instructive. When did this happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 10:54 AM
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Well, reading how you all under this thread talk about OP, that's pretty much the opposite of welcoming. You all seem a bit edgy, you should take your pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:46 PM
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Just in case I wasn't clear myself, I wanted to say explaining it, i.e. not saying "I want something special" but describing what kind of specialty you want. In retrospect you don't actually sound like you want personal advice, but I'll say it anyway: you don't sound easily likable. Just a quick example: you use "RPers" to talk about stuff you dislike, without much consideration for the RP philosophy. I suppose you've been too hurt to keep having much empathy for men, it's sad and I wish you goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 10:08 AM
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If you want personal advice, I'd say you should try to be more clear about the "something special and romantic" that you want. Of course I suppose it's paradoxical because what you want is for him to be the driver of the special thing, but nevertheless, it's the best I can tell you. Maybe you give vibes like you're gonna expect a lot of romancing before opening your legs, and if he doesn't do it just right like you want it you'll drop out, so they prefer not to try. You could try suggesting some…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:11 AM
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It reminds me of the Black Mirror episode "Hang the DJ". You should watch it if you haven't :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 06:15 AM
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There are plenty of men who speak of the unfairness and don't "want" anything, they just speak about it. A few are even happy about it. A lot of the talk is just about exposing it so that men can decide how to deal with it. The ones who do want women to "lower their standards" aren't looking for ways to forcefully redistribute sex, maybe it sounds like it just like working for money to pay your rent sounds like slavery. As an example, creating a dating app where men can upload videos instead of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:36 AM
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We already do that. Irresponsible deadbeat dads are encouraged by culture to become responsible, but there are always some who don't listen. Men, by nature's design, have a lot of variety and tend to be uncompliant and ambitious. Changing the "deadbeat culture" in the black community is a nice idea, I have no problem with that, but it's hard to do because it's a counter-culture, built in opposition to the mainstream culture, and its main appeal is precisely that it encourages individuals to stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:57 PM
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First, TRP talks about casual sex, not fatherhood. But assuming that - with the help of TRP or not - we know what traits make a man have multiple children with multiple women. You'd like to have government employees locating them and sending them to reeducation? It would probably be effective, but I don't think we could do that. I know I said pragmatism not ethics, but within reason. Your other option is a "cultural narrative that will affect Chad". You mean shift cultural values so that father-…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:23 PM
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They could pair to by two and build separate bedrooms in their house.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:03 PM
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Let's say that on country A the boat rescue squad has to make 10 rescues per year and in country B only 5. On average, people from country B are more responsible. If you could isolate irresponsible men and make them become responsible, that would be effective, but that's not how education works. As you said yourself, a man can appear to be empathetic and a good person, yet be a womanizer, so how could you target them? And then how would you make them change? They'd need to be responsible in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:39 PM
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most people don't know how to properly gauge a boat for surprise storms On average, the people who go to sea on frail boats are irresponsible. The responsible ones find a way to get a reasonable guarantee on the quality of their boat, or they don't go to sea. Once again, I'm talking in average, and I don't advocate judging any individual single mother. As you are talking of rations of impregnation the onus is always on the man as they have a biological risk. It's why women are more selective. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:46 PM
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If you go on a frail boat in a storm, your mast breaks, and you need to be rescued, you were irresponsible. Even if after your mast broke you behave all responsibly, it's too late. In the same way, becoming a single mother is irresponsible, even if you try to do it well. (I mean it on average, looking at it as a social issue. You can't judge any one woman on this aspect of her life alone). the relation at the human level is still 1:1 men and women No, the man provides a bit of sperm and the woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:13 PM
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It's both, being careless is irresponsible. I have no problem with the idea of blaming men more, but let's be real, that's inefficient to solve the problem. Women are, by nature's design, the bottleneck of reproduction. You don't control reproduction by controlling the supply of sperm but by controlling which sperm gets admitted inside uteruses.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 06:07 PM
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People seem to misunderstand "confronting" - I mean, they're not wrong, it's just not the right word. Shutting down LVMs is rarely made with overt hostility, it's making fun of him, criticizing him, etc. Kind of how the main characters act towards the "comedic relief guy" in movies. And by the way, this is why men, especially low value ones, can't open up about their vulnerabilities to other men. If you say to a friend that you have a phobia of spiders, there's a good chance that he'll summon a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:23 PM
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Yes, a prioritization of resources, and a general refutation of the whole idea of domestic violence against men. I don't have any example and wouldn't know where to find one, but you can look up the story of Erin Pizzey.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:17 AM
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And like I replied to the previous poster, initiatives for DV shelters for men have been blocked by feminists for decades. It's barely possible to talk about it now because things are starting to change and suddenly you're all "why aren't you doing it already? feminists have nothing against it".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:35 AM
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It's the result of decades of gender war. 5 years ago, anyone starting a GoFundMe’s for men’s domestic violence shelters would have been doxxed and harassed by feminists. The only few who dared say anything for men were the most callous ones who wanted war. It's changing slowly, I hope, but it's still very unsexy to be a MRA. If you start talking about these topics with a random woman, you can bet that you'll never fuck her or any of her friends. And men care about fucking random women much much…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:11 AM
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I don't hate them, but they're a problem. You know the saying: "If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem." Well, if there's one woman who gets pregnant by an irresponsible deadbeat, she's a victim. If there are 10 million of them, society is the victim. First because people must pay for the child, and then because the next generation comes from irresponsible parents. Sex and reproduction are fundamental in shaping our society, bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 06:34 AM
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I was unemployed and underemployed for nearly three years. I depended on my partner and my family for money. It was terrible. If having a partner providing for you is terrible, imagine how it is to not have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:39 AM
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Some men are taken seriously in their workforce because for whatever reasons I also wonder about that. I can believe that there's some bias in "being taken seriously at work", there does seem to be some evidence about it, but if I judge from my experience it can't be much. You can't start opening your mouth at meetings and expect people to be cooperative just because you're a man, you need reputation, allies. And btw it seems that women are taken more seriously when asking for assistance (social…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:34 AM
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What if I called my friends "<n-word> whipper", or "mighty molester", you also wouldn't impose your values as long as me and my bros are all fine with it? Anyway, I'm not imposing anything, I'm just telling you I find it cringy and offensive. And I'll stop now, and sorry for the harsh comparison. I'm not actually that offended, I just started this thread as a 3rd degree fun and got carried in arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:59 PM
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In EVE Online, everyone starts the same. But people who join the game later start with less than people who've already been playing? perfect equality of opportunity results in wealth inequality. And wealth inequality results in imperfect equality of opportunity. What are we gonna do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:33 PM
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If I called my friends "slaver" but I promised you that in the context it's just for confidence, you would have no problem with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:46 PM
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Being a royal isn't about confidence. A queen is a bitch born in privilege, who uses soldiers, police and often clergy to maintain her privilege and perpetuate her oppression of the people. As a leftist and a brother of all proletariat past and present, I am offended that you choose to use this term as anything else than an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 09:32 PM
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Queen? How'd you get that? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. Seriously, I find it very cringy to call your friends queens. It's childish, it's saying you want to be privileged. If men called themselves kings we'd hear endless rants about an entitled patriarchal mentality that confines women to subservience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:57 AM
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Most red pillers are actively participating in coercive manipulation in this subreddit, by in various ways arguing that women HAVE to sleep with them to solve societies problems. That's surprising, saying that women HAVE to sleep sounds like incel content and would probably be removed by the mods. Can you link some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:48 AM
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You can read some things about it, for example in TRP. Here's some advice for autistic dorks: most women want to play a "plausible deniability" scenario. Do not aim for a chain of events in which you both have equal responsibility and none of you could be construed as guilty of anything. You must take initiative, introduce some element of you being so smitten that you stepped out of reasonable behavior. Obviously this has to be balanced with the fact that you still need to be reasonable; ideally…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 04:09 AM
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I generally don't trust media articles about judiciary decisions: they're rarely objective and seem to prefer enraging their audience than explaining how the decision was justified. I also don't trust media articles advocating the women's side in a gendered issue: there's no semblance of equity in this, it's like listening to army propaganda during a war. So, in this case, double mistrust, and I won't bother trying to form an opinion about this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 02:22 AM
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My first thought is that I really don't like calling it "rape by deception". I'd prefer if rape was defined positively by the use of physical force, not by the absence of proper consent. And if we're gonna criminalize deception, is there a good reason to limit it to deceptions made to obtain sex? Nothing about deceiving to obtain commitment? Or about politicians?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 04:45 AM
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1: That's not what I said but it's related, and yes, I believe they do it more than women. 2: For women, a friend is an ear and emotional support. Men don't value that as much. 3: I don't see why having other worries would matter, but I can certainly believe that she wouldn't be particularly pissed off if she ever found out. And 4: you sound very upset. I didn't insult you, I just said that your friendship is more polite that a male friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 01:10 AM
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I don't see a lot of changes. People try to shame Japanese MGTOWs by calling them herbivores, that's all. They're probably much more interested in getting them back to work than back on the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 12:46 AM
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Im being a friend and listening to her, but [...] This reminds me of the post about "real friendship"... As I said, women are more polite: I bet it would be more common for men to speak out the "but" part. (And if a male friend found out that after listening to him quietly you went on internet to speak with strangers, he might be very pissed off).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 12:35 AM
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Then instead of x% incels you'll have a sizeable portion of volcels. As long as a sizeable portion of men don't follow your advice (i.e. always), not much will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 12:19 PM
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People say that men's friendships are more real mostly because women are more likely to have many superficial friends and men are more likely to have a few close friends. Additionally, women tend to be both more polite and more judgmental, so they make more efforts to keep up the appearances of friendship. Men otoh can more easily tolerate all kinds of abuse from each other, which means that the "real strength" of their friendship isn't very visible. But there's no need to turn all this into "wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 09:09 AM
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Detractors argue that it will make pregnancy more dangerous for women in abusive relationships. Lol. What are the possible downsides of a law that forces men to pay? Well, there might be some cases where it could make things harder for women. That's the state of gender discourse in mainstream media.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 05:39 AM
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Western culture has its peculiarities indeed, but I was more referring to a universal tendency, fueled by evo-psych patterns. In short, women have one job: distributing sex and making children. (This is of course much less literally true in a modern civilization.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:46 AM
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First, in everything about sex and romance, we always criticize women more than men, while in everything else we criticize men more than women. This bias isn't as strong as before, but it's still there and it would be hard to remove it entirely. There's also the fact that women's sexual attraction is less "raw" than men's: less physical, more contextual, etc. It does make sense to expect more adaptability from them (although ideally we should rather strive to adapt the context, for example share…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:07 AM
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I'm not sure about that, there's also a lot of hostility towards settling from the "womanosphere". FDS is an example, I've even read women saying that the patriarchy forcing women to settle with betas for centuries polluted our gene pool and that we must now fix this with a period of heavy inceling, or things like that. And conversely, a lot of talk from the manosphere is about criticizing women for not settling enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:40 AM
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I'll trade you multiple orgasms for pissing standing. Come on, you know you want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 12:04 PM
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That's an interesting discussion. What worries me even more than the difficulty of any empathy between genders is the idea that they have antagonistic goals. If being a sexually successful man implies making women unhappy, nice guys can't finish first. If treating men as disposable tools makes women more successful, they'll do it. If empathizing with the other gender is a handicap, only losers will do it, and any middle ground we could have will keep shrinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 07:19 AM
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You said "The mansophere is one big 8m decibel collective whine from men who think they’re entitled to more than they are getting. Once again this that NOTHING to do with a healthy approach to coping with emotions." which is an ad hominem and entirely subjective. Sorry but I have things to do at the moment, and there's obviously no point in trying to reason with you, so I'll stop replying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 12:25 AM
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No, I equate your attitude towards men to racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/21 12:14 AM
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This is just a collective ad hominem and entirely subjective. You could say the same about feminism, black people, white people, asian people, ... It's not an argument, it's trying to silence others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 04:54 PM
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It's also a prisoner's dilemma thing. If two losers take turns wingmanning for each other, they'll both do better in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 02:33 PM
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I mostly agree, but not entirely. Often a part of their problems is also that they don't have strong enough friendships, people that can wingman for them instead of competing with them. When you're low, everyone wants to compete with you. Getting support could potentially be a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 02:24 PM
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But most men who are unsuccessful in dating aren't whining, and yet they're already being criticized as whiners. And criticized for not sharing their emotions too, at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 01:22 PM
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We're on a debate forum. People talk about problems, criticize things. Stop trying to silence others with ad hominems.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:52 PM
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But men also need to share their feelings and stop being so toxic and competitive, right? And also stop putting so many expectations on women? More seriously, if the sky being blue causes people to suffer, you shouldn't be surprised if they complain about it and start looking for ways to turn the sky red.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 09:29 AM
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Answering these whatif questions is the role of the justice, not the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 08:15 AM
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I used the 80's because of the guy from your post ("high school and college in the 1980s").
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:46 AM
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Terminator isn't aimed at kids. Do you mean to say that men should have watched porn to learn about women? Well, in the 80's, porn wasn't easily accessible. More seriously, here is, from wikipedia, a list of the 10 top-grossing films of the 80's: E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial Return of the Jedi The Empire Strikes Back Batman Raiders of the Lost Ark Ghostbusters Beverly Hills Cop Back to the Future Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom In all of this, I don't think …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 12:34 AM
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Princess Bride, Star Wars, Terminator, any Disney cartoon, Back to the future, Ghostbusters, ... It's a weird question, of course I could give you an endless list of things not depicting hookup culture. As I said, specific examples aren't the best way to discuss this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 11:34 PM
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The idea that all women must be innately virtuous took form in the mid-19th century, in the movement towards “True Womanhood,” which historians like Barbara Welter have dubbed “the cult of domesticity. [...] “True Women,” as Welter put it, were known by their domesticity, submissiveness, piety, and purity. [...] Indeed, they were naturally religious and moral. [...] More than 100 years later, this idea of women’s inherent goodness has proven hard to shake.” I find that very related. Imo, what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 11:18 PM
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This article talks more or less about this topic, you might find it interesting: https://electricliterature.com/please-just-let-women-be-villains/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:30 PM
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Just go make your CMV post already. Why are you telling that to me here? (btw I just realized you're not OP, but it doesn't change the fact that this post isn't a CMV). That being said, Decoy isn't the only one because I posted examples too, and finding examples of negative concepts (like "women don't lie") isn't easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:27 PM
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Yes, that's how their site works. But there's also relevant examples (I just checked).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:13 PM
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The question is "can you give examples", and I pointed you to relevant pages on a site specifically made to list these kind of things. Did you want to make a CMV post saying that pop culture didn't actually lie to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 01:03 PM
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The tv trope page you linked also shows tropes were the genders are reversed on some of the stuff you are talking about. Yes, of course, that's how their site works. Is that a problem? Have you ever watched any romcons with main female characters? Because they definitely are put in situations where they have to apologize for their behavior. That's an interesting counterpoint, it does seem to happen more often in media whose primary audience is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 08:01 AM
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Here are a few related pages from tvtropes: Women are wiser All abusers are male The unfair sex One related thing that particularly annoys me is how common it is in romcoms to have the man apologizing to the woman. Of course usually (but not always) they are in a situation where the apology is justified, the problem is that you never see the opposite: a woman doing wrong is semi-taboo. (For an example, the first one that comes to my mind right now is in the Hitman's Bodyguard, the crucial point …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 07:44 AM
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There shouldn't be! When I see women prefering men who'll throw the dryer away and buy a new one I wonder what's wrong with these bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 02:13 AM
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Yeah, well, I'm done taking time out of my day to chat with you, bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 03:04 PM
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You show an excessively high opinion of yourself by saying "the SMP doesn't exist, that's common sense but dumb men can't grasp that", and you're useless in convincing anyone who didn't previously agree that banning women's advantages wouldn't be fair. Btw, pissing me off should be useless to you, enjoying negative feelings is bad for your mental health. But you didn't piss me off that much, I just find you vain and I wanted to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 02:52 PM
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From google: having or showing an excessively high opinion of one's appearance, abilities, or worth. producing no result; useless. Both apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 02:35 PM
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Saying "I'm right because it's common sense and you're dumb" is vain. You might as well not say anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 02:21 PM
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In your all-grasping wisdom, don't you find it a bit vain to come to a forum dedicated to debating gender relations within the RP paradigm, say in cryptic terms that a question is invalid because the SMP doesn't exist, and declare an end of discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 01:45 PM
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Imagine you're alone in a foreign country, you don't speak a word of the language and you don't know the culture. If you're a woman, it all barely matters, you can still fuck the same level of Chad that you would at home, you'll just have to restrict yourself to non-verbal IOIs - but the best IOIs are non-verbal anyway. If you're a man, your value drops drastically. And that example only removes the non-looks parts, but some guys even have negative social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 05:17 AM
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It's conceivable that, all other things being equal, having partied might make you a better parent as you'll be more satisfied with your life, but things aren't equal. A society where men want to be respectable and get a good material situation will be more productive than one where men want to be charismatic and party.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 04:52 AM
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Good-looking men only get a bonus to their SMV, they can still fail if they're deficient in social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 04:36 AM
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I'm not sure if it's wrong overall, but here's an argument for the wrong side: women select men differently for casual sex than for long term relationships, and men shape themselves to become what gets the most sex. Before, men had to show to a girl's parents that they were a respectable man, with a good material situation, able to become a good husband and father. Today, men have to lift and talk loudly in a night club - which is less desirable for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 04:08 AM
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He should get his driver's license, it's something you kinda have to put on your CV. Trying without it doesn't sound like the right way... It's hard for a man to stay motivated to make efforts for anything when you don't get any physical affection, and it seems like he's gonna have a big lot of efforts to make if he wants any chance of getting any. I wish him good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 03:28 AM
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