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With most women judging men most men to be unattractive, the exact opposite of this is true. If anything, women are harsher judges of each other than men are of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 11:22 PM
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Absolutely. But the point of this thread is that men are saying women are full of it when they say "they want someone who is kind" and now women are upset at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 07:12 PM
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You can say and do anything you want. But other people will have a reaction to your behavior and their own opinion. If you say you're an ally of the pride community, but then reject them on a romantic level, people are going to see that as hypocritical. What you're asking is do whatever you want and then also control the reaction to it and other people's opinion, which is a difficult thing to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:31 PM
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No, people are saying it's hypocritical to declare themselves "an ally of the pride community" but then refuse to date bi men. And it is, really. Most people are going to see it that way. But obviously, a person can do anything they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:23 PM
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You're bending over backwards to say that women can say whatever they want and men are fools for taking it seriously. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 04:17 PM
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Yeah, I think you're kind of missing the point. Of course, people have all kinds of desires, no one doubt that at all. But we're responding to what OP wrote. For example, this: “People like agreeable people” somehow becomes “You should become a doormat” The line between what is a doormat and someone who is a nice guy is totally arbitrary. And men are becoming frustrated because women will frequently give this answer... "they want a nice guy", when really they want a guy who is super physically a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 03:14 PM
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Nah. Most women, especially liberal women, will just not be fully honest. If you ask them what they want... they say "kind" or other vague terms. Their answers are really self reflections, in that they're giving an answer which they feel makes them look better. And they do want someone kind, but in the end, they're just like the age old stereotype of wanting someone "tall, dark, handsome, masculine, edgy". They want someone who is all those things, they just aren't fully honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/26 01:13 PM
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Men who struggle with dating listen to what women say and women aren't always fully honest or even aware about what they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 09:29 PM
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Obviously both men and women encourage the cheating culture they complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 11:00 AM
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Do men have the same bonds that women have where they support each other no matter what like this? They don't, not to the same degree. So you can say whatever you want, but it's simply not there. Man you people are outrageously bitter.
/r/MensRights09/08/26 10:49 AM
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This isn't the truth anymore, but women were actually oppressed for a very long time, and because of that developed a supportive bond among them that men simply didn't have to the same degree.
/r/MensRights09/08/26 10:30 AM
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I'm guessing you're one of these people. You can come up with whatever explanation you want, but most people think it's hypocritical. It's akin to someone saying they suppor the idea of public schools, but then sending their kids to private school.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/26 01:08 AM
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Oh they can obviously do whatever they want. I just personally find them dancing in the streets as "any ally of the pride community" and rejecting bisexual men to be outrageously hypocritical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 07:31 PM
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You choose to accept it or not, but the body count thing does matter. If a person is promiscuous in the past, they have a higher chance of doing it again in the future compared to someone who wasn't. If you care about that, it's ok to make decisions based on that. Women don't want you to care about it because they want the freedom to do whatever they want and face no consequences for it later. I'm sorry, but that's the truth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 03:15 PM
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The real reason they don't date bisexual men is because they perceive them as less masculine. Whether they admit that or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 03:13 PM
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Long post, but all of this is true in my experience too. I've met so many women who show up to pride parades but would never date a bi-man. A lot of women are liberal and vote Dems because the Dems fight for women's rights. If they didn't, and for some reason women's rights wasn't associated with a side or happened to be a more conservative thing.... they would not care about other liberal issues like climate change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/26 02:28 PM
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Why would you say men are obtuse about this subject? Because it seems like the opposite is true. Women are underestimating the romantic feelings involved in these friendships and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 01:08 PM
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Obtuse about what? There's no downside for men. They try and if they eventually get rejected, they get rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:49 PM
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A man could meet a woman and ask them on a date in real life. That's how it used to work. It is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:48 PM
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Women love people being nice to them, who wouldn't? But in my experience, they HIGHLY underestimate the percentage of time the real motivation for this friendliness is romance, because let's face it men, it almost always is or the threshold to become sexual at any time is very low.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:47 PM
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At least she's honest and not telling men they simply need to try harder and be more kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:52 AM
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You sound like you had some bad experience with someone comparing you to an ex or something similar. People do it in their minds. It's just part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:46 AM
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Say someone has the possibility of dating multiple people. How do they decide? In your book it sounds like the only thing you can possibly decide on is physical attraction, because you can't compare any other attribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:23 AM
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You can compare them, but the comparison doesn't really make sense, it would be like comparing a fish to a bird. Of course they're different people. That's understood. But you can compare different aspects of one person to another. There's no rule that says you have to assign one person a "5" and another person a "8". You can think about who was kinder, who was funnier, etc. Beyond that, almost everything about a person is multidimensional and interconnected That's true, but that doesn't mean yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:16 AM
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It's pointless even if you do I don't really understand your point? Of course, I do and so does almost everyone. I remember what pervious partners were like and think about it in comparison to my current partner. Now do I act on that? That's a different story. You can't compare people atleast in my opinion Of course you can, that's ridiculous to say you can't. One person is more easy going, one person is smarter, one person is in better shape, one person is more kind, etc. This whole "move on an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:06 AM
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That's an optimistic view, but in my experience, people are doing it. I am a middle aged man with a history of dating many people and 4 or 5 long-term relationships lasting years and of course I still think about the people I was with previously at times. I honestly don't want to be a person who doesn't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:55 AM
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It's impossible not to do this. I think you can make an argument that you should keep this information private and not advertise it, but everyone is doing this if they are honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:52 AM
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Women experience what they experience and then Blue Pill Men who've been married or in a relationship for a long time come on here and endlessly argue otherwise because it doesn't fit what they personally experienced. I had a Blue Pill guy argue with me the other day that texting, instant messaging, and dating apps have had no significant effect on dating the other day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:20 AM
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Do you expect only 2 in 10 of your woman friends to ever be able to marry or find a partner? Because that's essentially what you're saying if the gender roles were reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:15 AM
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This is the answer for equality. It honestly may not be best for society in the long run, but it does give men some sort of equal rights. Predictably, most women I have ever discussed this with hate the idea.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/26 12:39 PM
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Just what you read. In the study there is list of about 50 things they include as "coercion" and that's one of him. "Man asking more than once for sex". The study was obviously designed to have an extremely broad definition of coercion to cause headlines for the authors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 10:28 PM
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My guy, you are trying to claim the downfall of men in dating was caused by autocorrect. You keep writing this stuff and it demonstrates how you have almost no understanding of it and have put limited thought into it. Nothing I write is going to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:26 PM
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This is why Blue Pill is such a ridiculous, immature, and uneducated perspective. "Nothing, has changed, it's all the same." Ok, if that's what you believe, that's what you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 08:20 PM
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Not sure where that came from, but the recent study going around notes men coercing women into sex and includes things like "talking or asking about sex more than once."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/26 07:44 PM
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What an absolutely ludicrous claim Have some humility that you just don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:43 PM
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My guy, we were texting each other well before the existence of the iPhone Hahaha. I absolutely knew you were going to write this and it proves how out of touch you are. If you think today, the days with keyboards, voice to text, predicative text, and AI is the same as the days when you had to hold down a number for 2 seconds to select the letter you want.... you have no idea what dating has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:45 PM
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Well, we know you can't say you're being harassed daily, that's for sure. I would recommend you touch grass and stop living in an internet bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:11 PM
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Victim complex. Living in a delusional world constantly talking about being oppressed when in reality most women born in western countries are born with an advantaged life compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:06 PM
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60 to 70% of men under 30 have no girlfriend or partner. 1/3rd of men under the the age of 30 don't have sex. 45% of men under the age of 25 have never approached a woman romantically. Ever! How is this world of oppression possible? It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:00 PM
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How in the world could I be wrong. I keep citing the stats. You have no answer for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:53 PM
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I don't know you or what your life is like. But let me ask you.... are you going around being harassed every moment of everyday. Are men demanding you be their servant? Is your life being oppressed? Unlikely. It's just some fake online oppression that really has no effect on you in everyday life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:48 PM
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When exactly do you think dating apps, texting, and social media began? iPhone came out in 2007, didn't become ubiquitous until 2010 to 2012. Overtime adoption and use has become mainstream. However I can tell you with 100% certainty that same complaints and bullshit red pill rhetoric that has invaded every dating discussion, whether you personally identify as red pill or not, is identical to the same shit those same kinds of men were saying 15 years ago. You can't, because you're wrong. Again, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:46 PM
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Victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:47 PM
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Answer how this is possible when the majority of men under 30 have not had sexual contact with a woman in the last year and 60 to 70% are unable to get a relationship. How is this world of abuse possible? It's not. Victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:44 PM
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Who knows what that means. The only thing that matters is what translates to real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:05 PM
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I don't have any idea what you're talking about. If you're talking about men literally looking at a social media profile.... ok, who knows. But the idea that it actually translates to real life. That all these men are abusing all these women. That's physically impossible. You need to let yourself be free of the victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:03 PM
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Most of that article is literal opinion. No matter what you want to believe, the facts that most men don't have any success with women totally refutes this idea that all these men are just constantly abusing women. Most men have absolutely no success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:58 PM
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Copying and pasting an article that has the word "Manosphere" in it without even reading it isn't going to help your cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:49 PM
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I'm not sure trying to insist to people that the explosion of dating apps, texting, social media, and instant messaging has no effect on dating whatsoever is convincing strategy. Yes, things have radically changed in the last 15 years, because of what I just mentioned. Most people as they age just assume everything works as it did for them and are not open to change or a different perspective than what they experienced. That's what you're projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:14 PM
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I bet. Your entire argument is.... "this is what I think with no backing evidence whatsoever."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:09 PM
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Mentioning the word "Red Pill" is not a meaningful reply. It's extremely obvious you're out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:08 PM
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I am a bit of an older man and have insight into what dating was like 30 years ago compared to now. I go on dating apps and I get all kinds of matches, matches sometimes every other day even after being on the app for months (not the new rush of matches that can happen when you first join an app). But most of these matches turn into almost nothing. Because every average looking woman is getting so many matches and interest you essentially have to look like a movie star or absolutely kiss their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:03 PM
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You live in an internet bubble not connected to reality. 60 to 70% of men under the age of 30 have no partner and go years between sexual encounters. Yes, these men you're talking about exist. No, the average guy isn't even close to this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:56 PM
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Not saying there aren't downsides, but there certainly are a ton more advantages walking through life having half the population attracted to you than disadvantages. As Blue Pill Man, you're likely a bit older, married, or in a long term relationship, and have little insight into how difficult life has become for young men, especially. Going through life completely ignored is certainly a hell of a lot tougher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:50 PM
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So tough having all these men physically attracted to you. I am not sure how you get by in life with that cross to bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:35 PM
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Yeah, you're right. Often societal opinion takes a while to catch up to reality. For a very long time, women were very disadvantaged. But as of the last two decades, that has flipped. Being born at least an average looking woman in the US or other western countries is a big advantage in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:33 PM
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You can't look at some random group on the internet and decide that's all men. Most men have a very difficult time getting a girlfriend at all so this idea they're all trying to be "players" is totally nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:59 AM
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Most men could easily overpower almost any woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/26 10:50 PM
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They don't. The vast majority of men are simply hoping for a normal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:34 PM
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No, men certainly do not idolize them in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 08:26 PM
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Yeah, I'm sorry, but people aren't changing their dating prefernces based on a prediction of who will do more housework. Dating has become difficult because texting, instant messaging, dating apps, and feminism cultures have completely changed the game. Men pursue women. That's how our species evolved. In the past, the men women had available to them was those in their immediate area. Now, it's anyone they ever met online or in real life, and that person can message them limitlessly. Their optio…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:28 PM
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People do not go to med school to drop out and be stay at home Moms. Does it happen? Of course. But it's rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:05 PM
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I think this is a view from the past. Women have tremendously more options than men today, on average, and the vast majority of relationships I see are being ended by women, in part because they have so many more options. There absolutely are a population of men who "fuck and run", and they are possibly the worst actors in dating these days, but that's only about 5 to 10% of men. That's why things like The Tea appexist, because a lot of women are all chasing the same men. But for the majority of…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:29 PM
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Tom Cruise could easily overcome 6'4, but the normal 5'7 guy might find it impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:36 AM
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Because they have a lot of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:59 PM
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What about you is interesting to a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:24 PM
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Men rarely are interested in woman for friendship only. There's almost always a romantic component to it, no matter whether they admit it or not. You find him boring? He very well maybe. But what would he find exciting about you if there was no romantic interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:37 PM
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I'm pretty sure if someone's attitude is that they can simply never be questioned... They're going to have a life of troubled relationships unless they date people who are absolute doormats.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:08 PM
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Disagreeing with you and thinking your opinion ridiculous is not being hostile, it's just disagreeing with you. Regardless, you'll never be open to looking at the issue any other way, so we'll just recommend men avoid dating women this close minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 07:29 PM
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Definitely can be true. The point isn't that dating success requires height, but it makes the process much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:13 PM
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Hostile is an exagerration. Your opinion is just ridiculous. Insisting a family has to end because of a paternity test is just ridiculous. There's really not much else to say. You know what would happen in the real world if you got a paternity test? Nothing. Nothing would happen. You seem to have all these ideas insisting "this has to work this way" or "something has to be like this". And no, none of it does. You know what could happen? A family could go through a difficult period. People can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 04:23 PM
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Right, that's what's so immature. It's like you've developed entire reason systems in your head about how relationships work based on internet discussion with very little real world experience. Life is complicated. Things happen. Giving up on a relationship or family because someone even suspects infidelity is complete immaturity and inexperience. In the real world, this happens and people solve it. Not all the time of course, but often they do. Essentially every relationship you have is destine…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:37 PM
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"Unless you cheated on him". The reason someone asks for a paternity test is because they suspect cheating. Most people don't tell their partner they cheated. That's why it's called "cheating". Touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:36 PM
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You have this idea that even suggesting a paternity testis so insulting, no matter what the circumstances, that essentially the world ends if it happens. And you're just simply wrong. You've worked yourself up to some extreme conclusion in your mind and are being extremely close minded. You've put very little thought into the issue. People get paternity tests all the time and things wind up fine. You control your own life and reactions. The idea that you must react the way you insist is simply a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:09 PM
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Who knows what you're talking about. You're lost in some kind of internet bubble of extreme conclusions. Believe it or not.... People get paternity tests all the time and it winds up.... Fine. The idea this is some unbelievable insult is just some extreme conclusion you've talked yourself into that's not connected to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:04 PM
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This is a ridiculous conversation because these ideas are too deranged and immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:00 PM
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Right, your ideas are very immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:57 PM
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Obviously I know you're not going to change your mind here. But this idea you have that even broaching the subject requires breakup is so insanely immature, it's difficult to even respond to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:51 PM
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You can replace the words "men" and "women" with "people". Women do the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:48 PM
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No, no one can predict the future. An easier, more practical solution to this is to work on yourself and try to handle the idea of a paternity test more maturely. Right now... Your solution is everyone around you bend over backwards and do everything right at all times to comfort you. Unfortunately, that's not how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:38 PM
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Absolutely not. There's no "unless". By your logic, the woman can never bring up that subject. If they do, the relationship is over. Of course a man isn't going to ask for a paternity test unless there is something suspicious. So if the man can't breach the subject ever, then the woman can't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:32 PM
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Ok, by that logic, you can never ask or approach the subject of the man committing infidelity. If you do, the relationship is over. Such crazy, ridiculous logic of people living in an internet bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:53 AM
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Why would someone want to know the truth and not blow up an entire family? Oh I don't know... Destroying families is not a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:45 AM
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Get this.... You know what happens if a woman gets a paternity test? Nothing. No one knows, the world doesn't collapse, life goes on normally. People get tests every day and you don't know about it. You just get the test and work through the problem. This idea that the relationship has to end the moment a test is suggested is just some extreme conclusion you've come to in your mind that's not connected to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:43 AM
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Yes, what happens is the women gives signs of infidelity. Then men ask. Before there were signs of infidelity.... they don't feel a need for a paternity test. Get it? It's not that complicated. And let's put the shoe on the other foot. Suppose a man has a close woman friend. Recently, he's showed signs of being close to her and his wife wonders if he's cheating. By your own logic... his wife can't ask if he's cheating or do anything to find out the truth. Because if she does, the relationship an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:41 AM
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People ask for paternity tests if they are unsure of fatherhood. People usually don't attempt to have a baby with someone who they feel is cheating or whatever. You're essentially demanding people predict how they will feel in the future based on events that haven't happened yet. It makes no sense. And you're assertion that asking for a paternity test is complete grounds for blowing up a relationship is completely unhinged.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:07 AM
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No, they're not. You need therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:03 AM
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Your reasoning makes zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:19 PM
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If you want to give up on family because of a paternity test, there's something seriously wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 11:19 PM
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This is all so ridiculous. Just get a test and stop acting so offended that you have to blow up a relationship because of a test.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 09:53 PM
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"On par with white men"? We're well past that my friend. You're born in a special class in the US if you're born a white woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/26 04:23 PM
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Feminism has no interest in equality. It is simply a woman's rights/advantage culture.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/26 02:26 PM
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If a woman decides she needs to end a family because a paternity test is done, that family had no chance anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:21 PM
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How about.... You only have sex with one person and you know who the father is? Shocking solution, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 02:19 PM
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No, a person can ask for a paternity test at any time. End of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:27 AM
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Yeah but.... It just simply didn't decline. The US population grew every year during the 1940s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 03:07 PM
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No idea what this example is about. The birth rate in the US during the 1940s was about double what it is now. If anything, you're aguing against yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:31 PM
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No, they didn't boom. Your point seems to be.... Bad stuff happens and humanity goes on. No one is arguing that point. We just don't want the bad stuff to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 02:09 PM
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Interesting perspective. Do you want to go through those things? We're not talking about humanity ending, we're just talking preventing some bad stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:31 PM
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You're quite wrong. They talk about possible economy collapse... because economic collapse is really bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:08 PM
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I don't even know what you're talking about, so ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:07 PM
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Thanks for your deep philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 08:31 AM
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The problem is for mankind, not some persecution specific to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:55 AM
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Victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:29 PM
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Japan's population has been declining for a little over 15 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:27 PM
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As a counter example, Japan has had several decades now of falling working-age population, and is incredibly wealthy with an extremely high quality of life (even though the yen is under pressure currently) Absolutely not. Japan was doing super well. In the past. Now it has a shrinking economy. IT's GDP is falling and it's gone from 2nd in GDP rankings in 1990 (by a wide margin) to 4th or 5th now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:53 PM
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Very difficult to talk about the issues with falling fertility, because they play out over many decades, and historically even centuries. Not even close. The US stays afloat because of immigration. If it continues to be aggressively anti-immigrant the workforce will begin to dramatically shrink by 2030 and beyond.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:49 PM
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I give you simple thought experiments, I gave you real life examples, I give you citations from other authors. You engage on no points other than ignoring all of that evidence and continuing to insist you must be correct. This has become a pointless conversation. Thanks "Chicken little".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:47 PM
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Again, you can't answer. Doing the most basic cursory search will answer this question for you. But since you seem unwilling to accept basic reasoning or do the most basic research, here's one for you: Shrinking US birth rate could cost economy $100 billion - Newsweek
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:29 PM
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They haven't figured it out. That's the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:27 PM
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Women are humans and humans are responsible for the economy. But why do you think someone is saying women alone are responsible for the economy. Where did you get that idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:26 PM
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There’s plenty of educated people that would agree with me No, there's not. Did the US economy collapse when our population was half of what it is now? My friend, I know you think you have all the answers, but this clearly isn't something you've put much thought or research into. First off, saying the economy will collapse, doesn't mean everyone dies and the country no longer exists. It means the economy does really poorly and many of the services and expectations people have for life no longer …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:24 PM
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There's no educated person who's looked into this subject who would agree with you. I just gave you a clear example of what happens and you have no answer. Why do you think so many people and world experts are concerned about this? Because they want to control women's bodies and keep them pregnant? No, because they're worried about what will happen to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:11 PM
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Your reply means you have nothing to say and can't give a rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:08 PM
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There's been no time in human history when it's been this low outside of a natural or human made disaster. Let's just do a thought experiment here. 1) Say a company wants to produce products but can't do that because they can't find workers.... what happens to that company? It fails. 2) Say a government wants to upkeep roads, pay the police and firemen, deal with disasters but they can't do that because there aren't people to collect revenue from. What happens? Do those things keep magically hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:35 PM
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You're writing with absolutely no knowledge of anything. You just assume you're right clearly understanding almost nothing about the subject. Yes.... if there aren't people to actually work.... the economy does shrink, rapidly. Trust me. Trust me. This isn't rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:23 PM
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The controversy about birth rate isn't primarily intended to make women more open minded about who they date. It's because the economy can literally collapse unless it stabilizes or improves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:56 PM
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Men don't have the same emotions about sex that women do. Accept they are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:38 PM
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Question a woman in any way... You must be from the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:14 AM
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No one wrote that. It just is true that men often have a higher sex drive and often just don't care about external validation or peer pressure and are just thinking about sex more often. It's also true that the average man will be more open to a more diverse set of partners than a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:03 PM
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???? What does this have to do with the "manosphere"? Why wouldn't you wonder why a woman, or anyone, was sexually promiscuous and then decides to change that behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:02 PM
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Not really. Are you a woman, which I may assume from the Lotus name? One thing that produces continual frustration in these discussions is the refusal to accept that the opposite sex really does have different emotions and motivations. I can say for men, it usually is because their sex drive is probably higher. Women usually fight that idea because they don't want to accept men are "better" in something, even though having a higher sexual drive isn't necessarily better. Of course there is peer p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:00 PM
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Thank you for this answer. Most answers on the internet are some form of self celebratory behavior, and admitting you were chasing validation shows a ton of maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:55 PM
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Disagree. You dont seem to have an experienced understanding of cities, and it's not as though cities are a new concept. Smart phones, and unlimited, constant messaging is what fundamentally changed dating relationships. In addition to the attitude that you should never settle and always do what pleases you in the moment. A world of unlimited options makes everything unstable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:35 AM
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Oh no, they absolutely still do make more money.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/26 08:33 PM
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That's a ridiculous reply.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/26 12:34 AM
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Never voted Republican in my life. Aren't you allowed to be a liberal and not a feminist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/26 11:07 PM
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No one can manipulate me into shoving a dildo up my ass. I can say no. I'm an adult. The thing is.... you could apply your same reasoning to literally anything in life. If someone gets caught stealing.... can they say "oh well my friends put a lot of social pressure on me, so it doesn't really count." This is clearly something you haven't thought through.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:29 PM
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No, I don't think so. At some point, you seemed to realize that people can be manipulative and can manipulate others into decisions. That is true. But what I am trying to tell you is that there is another level of complexity to this you are not considering. People are manipulated into all kinds of decisions, every day. A person can argue that almost every decision they make could be the result of manipulation in some way. "If this person didn't talk me into this, then I wouldn't have made that d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:43 PM
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That's not my argument. My argument is that you're thinking about consent shallowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:40 PM
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Can a person be an adult and just say no if they mean no???? That's not asking much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:24 PM
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Not at all, I understand it completely. You're just too closed minded and thinking about this issue shallowly. All you consider is your own perspective without thinking through the ramifications of what you are saying. Right now.... we have a society where people are afraid to approach each other. Men, mostly, are always afraid of being accused of something. Our society is facing an incredibly low birth rate. And maybe that's how it should be. But what would happen if what you propose is actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:20 PM
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That's not rape. If you want to make an argument someone is overall manipulating another person? ok. But if they say yes to sex, it's not rape. At some point there has to be some kind of answer. You can't have a functioning society if you require everyone to make the right deeply considerate decisions at every turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:12 PM
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How can you rape someone when they say yes? You can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:09 PM
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This comes off as very ridiculous. Rape is an unbelievably serious thing, but at the same time it can happen during a time of high emotions when things are easily misinterpreted. If you're trying to advertise a view where saying "yes" isn't enough.... I think we're at a hopeless place for society if you're right. You're thinking too deeply about this. You have insight, but you're just taking it way too far without considering the ramifications of your conclusions. You're requiring everyone to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:36 PM
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There are endless posts in this sub with people complaining about the opposite sex with absolutely no awareness of themselves. It's not that their observations are useless, it's that instead of "men" or "women", you should use the term "people".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:34 PM
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Of course I do. But I also the know the odds that those same men are incredibly sensitive, amazing partners is essentially nonexistent. The same instincts that make them rebel against authority makes them not compromise, cheat, become incredibly stubborn, etc. Then women come on here and complain about how horrible men are. Then men say "why did you pick that guy?".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:17 AM
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Exactly, and people don't describe "bad boys" as incredibly sensitive, amazing boyfriends. They describe them as horrible boyfriends. This has been memorialized for ages in literature and film. Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:15 AM
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A woman's idea of what a bad boy is totally irrelevant to men complaining about women selecting bad boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:05 AM
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No, I'm not. We're talking about men complaining about "Bad Boys". Women's definition is totally irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:05 PM
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Men and women are the same. Neither understand themselves or each other. But at least I'm not here telling people they don't mean what they say they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:31 PM
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You don't understand it. And if you're talking about fan fiction.. What you describe is essentially a romance novel and not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 07:02 PM
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It doesn't matter. Some men are complaining about the actual men women are selecting. They're predicting things won't work with those guys in the long run and saying they can see it a mile away. They call these men "bad boys. Just because you use the term to mean something different... doesn't mean what they're complaining about doesn't exist. It's like getting hit by a black car. And someone says... "No, that car was brown." Whatever color you label it.... The car still hit someone! Get it? It …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:17 PM
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It doesn't matter what women mean by "bad boy". Men are doing the complaining.... So what we're discussing is men's definition. A women's definition is only relevant in that she understands what men.are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:03 PM
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Right, but that's what men's complaint is. Women's view of a "bad boy" is completely unrealistic and when they complain things go poorly men say they could see it a mile away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:54 PM
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There are all kinds of people with all kinds of opinions. Using outlier opinions to describe the norm isn't really helpful. It seems women's idea of a "bad boy" is out of a romance novel. Attractive, rugged men who stand up to authority but are still amazingly sensitive, understanding, and perfect. When men are talking about bad boys, they are actually talking about bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:51 PM
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You're definition is out of a romance novel. Unfortunately, that's not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:13 PM
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No, you didn't date "bad boys". You just dated some guys that were nice. For some reason you think in your mind they were "bad boys", but you were young, didn't understand it, and only have the experience you have. Bad boys are actually bad people. That's why people use the word "bad". You're kind of working an uphill battle when you're trying to insist the word "bad" doesn't mean.... "bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:58 PM
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Look, I don't know, it seems like you have some idolized quality of what "bad boy" means and are arguing over semantics. But how many women do you see on this sub or others arguing about how selfish and horrible men are? It's at least half the discourse. And what men are saying is that they can see that many of these men are horrible. But women are ignoring these signs and concentrating on the attractive qualities only.... That's not a radical idea, men do it as well. How many men go after the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:51 PM
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I mean.... you have your definition of whatever. But when men talk about "bad boys", they're actually talking about bad people. Not men who somehow look attractive and masculine and you dream about. The main issue is that these qualities, like "making fun of fat people" are always there, women just ignore them or choose not to see them. Men aren't talking about other men who are great people, leaders, and also physically attractive as bad people. They're literally talking about bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:39 PM
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You're not really talking about actual bad boys. For some reason, you seem to think people who go to the gym are "bad boys". The bad boys that people are talking about actually are making fun of fat people all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:59 PM
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When you're in early 20s or younger, dating people near 30 or older is a huge maturity difference where the older person will often be able to manipulate the younger person. But if they're both 18, it's legal, so it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:04 PM
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I have a friend who works at a major university in the US. One of the biggest in the country. They did a study trying to see the discrimination women faced in being promoted at the UNiversity from Assistant to Associate to Full Professor. What they actually found was that there was a bias to promote women before the men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 02:58 PM
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Redpill is too associated with conservative men who tend to be misogynistic and sexist. These views get mixed together and people too often label anything conservative as redpill. The "pill" analogy came from the Matrix where the red pill was labeled as the truth. And at it's heart, that's what redpill is. Simply being nice (or really a doormat) isn't going to cut it to attract people and have a great relationship. You have to work hard and better yourself. It's more of a self motivation strateg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 11:30 AM
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I didn't write that you did write that, I wrote that you sound like that. And yes, to me, you're sexist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 11:26 AM
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You sound sexist and maybe even a woman who wants complete freedom but whose biases still live in the past.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 10:50 AM
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I also can't stand people throwing around the "a higher percentage of college graduates are women" statistic. That is true, and it's also true college graduates earn more money during a lifetime. But it completely ignores tradesman and the training/journey to become a plumber or electrician, etc. Those jobs are 1/5th of all jobs in the US (for example), earn decent money, and are essentially 95% men because women refuse to do them. They are part of the reason men earn more money. Because women c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 10:04 AM
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I follow him on Instagram and do like a lot of his insight, but I agree in these videos he essentially works off the "women are wonderful" premise. That bias is everywhere. I can't stand the "women have passed men and men need to get it together" trope. Based on what actual data? Men have the same or lower BMI. Men make more money. When you take into account training to be a tradesman, a much greater percentage of men seek post secondary school training. What objective measure are you actually t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 09:53 AM
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I know you may think it's absurd because you want to justify your own feelings, but people do think it's hypocritical. It's like advocating for the rights of minorities or disadvantaged, but choosing to live a life separated ftom them at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:40 AM
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Agree. The threshold for embarrassment I mentioned was particular to dating and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:09 AM
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Oh did you fall in this category? You can do anything you want, just know people will think you're a hypocrite. They just won't say it to your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:41 AM
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Yeah, most of this is true. My favorite is the "LGTBQ Ally" who would never date a bisexual man. But I have a lot of women friends I talk to about relationships and if a man simply tells them he's not romantically attracted to her, she's humiliated and doesn't forget it, while men hear that every other month of their lives. A lot of Reddit and other parts of the internet is liberal focused, which often means dominated by a women's perspective. You will constantly see answers regarding relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:41 AM
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The Patriarchy essentially doesn't exist anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:06 PM
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You misread and misinterpreted the comment. Half of your comment agrees with my premise. Dating apps give women more choices because they are pickier than men, and the simple fact that there just are way more men in dating apps than women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 04:07 PM
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More men are single than ever because women simply have more options, have become pickier with higher standards, and remaining single has become more socially acceptable for them. Yes, perhaps men's social skills have diminished with the development of online culture, but the same can be said of women. The whole thing just boils down to more options stemming from unlimited, easy messaging and dating apps/social media.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:41 PM
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OP's assertions may be exaggerations, but I'm not sure AI quoting Reddit posts is the best counter evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:29 PM
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Great reply that says nothing, because I'm correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:35 PM
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Absolutely none of those studies support what you wrote. You wrote that men's social skills deteriorated and that's why the dating market is so different now. None of those studies showed that. You're just copy and pasted random studies associated with gender differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:32 PM
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Lol, post those studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:56 PM
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Lol, that's the literal definition of anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:00 PM
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That's your opinion. It's based on nothing other than anecdotal evidence. And you're saying that because you don't want most of the responsibility for dating becoming increasingly difficult to fall on women, but the truth is, it mostly falls on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:37 PM
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Men's social skills didn't drastically change.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:17 PM
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Right, so why do you think suddenly men have zero social skills? Or could it be that technology and other factors have changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:19 AM
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You have no idea what it's like now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:18 AM
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Yeah, this is the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:56 PM
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Where are women given hell for having high standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:56 PM
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Unlikely based on your answer. You have little insight into how it works. Dating is completely different than even 15 years ago. An average women can simply create a dating profile in a major metro area an have a thousand men try to date her. Or create a social media profile and simply get tons of messages. So what's more likely.... Men's social skills have evaporated for no reason? Or women have gotten pickier with the enormous amount of options they have compared to 20 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:49 PM
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You don't date currently, you don't know. Blame men is the usual, poorly thought out answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:39 PM
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Truly good looking men can simply live their lives and find romance. But 80 to 90% of men have to put in a tremendous amount of work for romance. Women rarely understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:54 PM
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Yeah, that 15 minutes a day. How are people ever going to make up that travesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:59 PM
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What would be your reaction to a man obsessing over a woman's breasts? That reaction in your mind? Same for a man's height.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:19 PM
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My God... A 1.4 hour deficit. How do people survive with a deficit like that! The horror.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:18 PM
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Reversing the genders doesn't actually work because men don't provide any value to women Cool. "Look at the extra chores, household duties and childcare I miss doing", said no woman ever You seem totally fixated on the idea women do more housework. Studies show that they do. Why? Hard to tell. Maybe tradition, but also likely because they care about having a household standard more than men. There are more single men than ever... but somehow, they all live in apartments and houses fine. I wonder…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:14 AM
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"Unhinged" - man, you lose all credibility writing stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:08 AM
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Most women want partners. Insisting they really want to be single is usually them protecting their ego. They're single because the men they want don't want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:34 PM
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The dating market decides your worth. If you'd like a partner, but are eternally single because the men you want don't want you... you're over judging your worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:27 PM
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You don't present any arguments with evidence, you just give your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:58 PM
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One of my main points is that OP is crazy for thinking women routinely murdered their husbands. You keep replying on support of OP. This what reasonable people infer from your replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:34 AM
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Right, you experienced it, which means at least middle aged to old. Which means you don't understand what it's like for young people today. If you really agree with OP that women routinely murdered their husbands out of dissatisfaction... You're insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:41 AM
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I would say the idea "Men are more respected" is essentially a thing of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:38 PM
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You really just don't get it. 50 years ago... there was no cell phones, no social media, no dating apps, none of this. Yes, there was TV and movies. But all women knew, for the most part, was what was in their immediate environment. And no, you're wrong, hundreds of years ago, in fact for most of human history, carrying extra weight was seen as desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:53 PM
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Counter argument to what? I wrote what Red Pill is. You wrote your opinion saying "no, no, it's this...". Ok. I can't write anything to change your mind. What's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:47 PM
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Yeah, not really. This assumes women's standards haven't changed and they haven't been influenced by social media and dating apps... but they have. And speculating women were routinely murdering their husbands in the past??? Come back to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:35 PM
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I don't know what you want? You want to believe whatever you want. I can't tell you anything to make you believe something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:26 PM
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Look, this conversation is useless. You've obviously spent zero time looking into the issue. You just want to believe whatever you want to believe. It's cool, but there's no facts I am going to tell you that will make you open minded, so this conversation is not worth our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:05 PM
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You just described the majority of women I've ever known.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:17 PM
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Oh definitely not. RP was around long before Tate. You can read your first paragraph and know you've really never bothered to look into it. You have a rudimentary perception of it, which is not based on actual research and mostly based on random famous people, and you want to insist you're right. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:57 PM
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The mistake you're making is just assuming every male, conservative oriented person you don't like is Red Pill. It's akin to assuming every Centrist Democrat in the US would vote and support Bernie Sanders. It's more complicated that that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:13 PM
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RP is a strategy for men to improve themselves based on how the world really is. It becomes intertwined with a lot of misogyny and the people who strongly espouse it can be misogynistic, but mostly, it's a self improvement strategy. A lot of people attach anything they don't like about men or conservative culture to it, like you have here. But, you greatly misunderstand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:26 AM
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I'm a lifelong liberal and I even used to call myself a feminist. I used to laugh and become irritated at people saying things like "feminism destroys families". Sadly, I've learned it's mostly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:33 AM
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Have you ever thought men are sick of women's bs?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:54 PM
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What actual evidence do you have that women don't care about shallow things other than that's just what you want to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:49 PM
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Apparently not since more women than ever are choosing to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:43 PM
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You're trying to convince us women prefer men to be short? ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:41 PM
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Women don't really care about personality and character. In fact, I would say men care about that stuff more simply because they don't want drama. Women care about things like height and how much money a man has, while men could care less. Hard to describe men as more shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:34 PM
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As far as desire for the opposite sex.... men care about less things, that's true. Shallow is not the right word to describe the difference. Maybe even less shallow to be honest. A man will mainly care about a woman's looks. A woman cares about a man's looks, height, career, wealth, etc. Men mostly don't care about any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:25 PM
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Everything you list is your family's preference, or some religion. But families have all kinds of preferences all the time. People have to get jobs early or work on the farm, can't do certain things, etc. And sure perhaps your family treated you differently because you are a woman. That's your families choice but I am going to guess there are all kinds of things males in your family has to do that you didn't. But there are no laws for this or rules that this has to happen. You can live your life…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:33 PM
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Give specific examples of people in first world countries. From your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:21 PM
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Give specific examples. If you're going to talk about some religion ins a third world country, ok. But that's obviously not your life. Give specific examples how you're eternally oppressed. I am going to guess you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:20 PM
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How long have you been married? It's changed drastically in the last 15 years. I mean, it's really become bad. 60% of men under 30 are single now. It's not them, it's that women have unlimited choices now. In the past, a women's choices were limited to the men they were exposed to in their environment. THat's no longer the case. Any man they ever met in person or on social media can message them instantly at any time. Any average looking woman can have 5 to 10 guys texting them at all times if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:19 PM
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Not really in most western, first world countries. It's drilled into women's heads they are victims and they will eternally believe it, just as most religious people become religious from their upbringing and influences. But they will struggle to give you real examples of how they're oppressed and they take for granted all the advantages they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:14 AM
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This is very true. For a long time, women were significantly oppressed due to culture. That has changed to the point where they're mostly advantaged now. People will become I irate that I write that but will struggle to give an example where women don't have the same opportunity as men or are even advantaged. (And when someone brings up abortion, which they always do in this conversation, first tell us what you think about paper abortions for men and the fact that 45% of women vote Republican in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:09 AM
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Totally misinformed. A couple may choose no alimony, which they should because it's based on antiquated laws, but most states have laws for alimony. For marriages under 10 years, it's usually temporary and can often be called something else, like "rehabilitative support".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:26 AM
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Went to a relationship counselor who had this attitude. Suffice to say, she didn't help us. The patriarchy really did exist in 1980 and prior. It doesn't really anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:01 AM
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This is how it is set up right now. In fact its even worse that this. The women doesn't even have to stay home or do the house work. She gets this simply by earning slightly less. Sometimes, she gets it even if she earns more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 08:18 AM
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Well it is simply is true that 99.9999% of a women's interactions with a man will be nonviolent. It's also not true that a women's most likely path to death is domestic violence. That's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:27 PM
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Women support women more than men support men. Additionally, Reddit is largely liberal and liberal spaces tend to mute sympathetic to women and judgmental of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:52 PM
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Right, and I am pointing out that your answer gives an unrealistic view of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:32 PM
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I don't think most men claim women are as violent as men. Our species evolved in a way so that men would be the protectors, and hence violent. Can you find a random man saying contrary to that? Of course you can, but that doesn't represent the majority of men. But men will say that domestic violence caused by women or the fact that men are by far the greater victims of violence compared to women, are usually disregarded as inconvenient facts by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:30 PM
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Absolutely no discussion on the internet ever produced a good outcome that begins with "you do realize".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:27 PM
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Completely untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:25 PM
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It doesn't matter how they rate themselves in a survey, it matters how they rate the opposite sex. They could rate themselves as average all day long, but if they feel most people of the opposite sex are below average, they're view of what they deserve will be distorted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:37 PM
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I don't find these type of arguments.... where people encourage less sympathy/empathy for the opposite sex, to be helpful. And these arguments are always presented with a closed minded perspective, unaware of how the same reasoning could be applied to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:33 PM
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They expect to give subtle hints and have the man do everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:31 PM
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After a lot of self-reflection, I realized that women create their own problems and blaming men is counterproductive and harmful. They should have anticipated any problem they face and if they don't, that's their own problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:28 PM
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At lower incomes, women have an obesity rate of 45% and men 30%, and at higher incomes women have an obesity rate of 29% and men 32%, or something similar. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:14 PM
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I have never seen that before. Post some evidence if you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:23 PM
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None of this is really true. It's just a media narrative not supported by facts. What has really happened is that women have more options than ever because phones and instant messaging has exploded the number of men pursuing any one woman and they have become pickier with that development and the influence of social media. Men are basically the same BMI as women. Men still earn more money than women and a greater percentage of men than women seek pist high school schooling or training. There isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:24 PM
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It's because our species involved in a way where men pursue women. It's not a mystery. And being aware of that doesn't mean it's not frustrating. Difficult things are frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:20 PM
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Yes, everyone knows an informal poll on the internet is the best type of research.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:20 PM
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I've never met a woman who was.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:00 PM
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Do you have any evidence men ages 18 or 21 plus are routinely pursuing 10 year olds? Because that sounds like a exaggeration. And again, why does all the evidence we have of grown women pursuing teenage boys not count in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:44 PM
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Stop believing the internet represents reality. And have you ever noticed the amount of female teachers targeting your teenage boys for sex. There's an endless amount of them. Does that not count to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:31 PM
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Yet you have seen a tall, handsome but awkward guy get no women whatsoever. All these attributes people talk about for men.... height, wealth, being in shape, "game", emotional intelligence.... they all make success more likely to happen but are not 100% sure fire guarantees alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:09 PM
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I don't understand how women can come on this forum and complain that most men are lazy slobs and then sit here and insist men care so much about what people think of them. You're just objecting to the idea because you feel that women caring more about what other women think reflects poorly on women. It is what it is. Some people would say that's a great thing, other people would have a different perspective. But I am not sure you're going to convince people men care about each other more than w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:51 PM
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Women always complain about men's hygiene or they don't "get it together" like woman want or play video games all day. Do you really think those men are super concerned about what other men think of them? You can't really have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:27 PM
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U don't think it's the misogyny that's repelling for many? Not sure what this means. I am not trying to push people to be attracted to Red Pill. I'm just stating what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:24 PM
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Most people don't actually bother to find out what Red Pill recommends. They simply think of it as an anti-woman movement and apply any stereotype they can think of to it. It's more of a pro self improvement movement for men, than anything else. It does dive into misogyny at times, but mostly, women don't like it because it pushes men to do what's best for them, not women, and to try to see what actually matters in life for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:28 PM
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Nothing of what you just wrote disagrees with Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:14 PM
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Women definitely care about what other women think about them much more than men think about what other men think about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:08 PM
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more about being able to communicate, being emotionally open etc. yeah, that's a nice thought, but that won't help you on a dating app or when the majority of women judge you within the first 5 minutes and then move onto to the 5 other guys texting her. Things definitely delve into misogyny in Red Pill at times, but the fundamental conflict women have with Red Pill is that they want people to believe that what they are really judging men on is their kindness and emotional skills. They want peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:06 PM
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yeah, who knows. What am I supposed to say when someone has that reaction to saying something like "try to communicate with your partner". That's pretty much relationships 101. But when someone responds getting that upset at you, you're not exactly going to have a productive conversation with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:58 PM
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No, they definitely don't, but I would agree they matter much less these days in many ways. Women are pickier than ever and influenced so much by social media and dating apps. In the past, women had limited options and simply had to pick someone who was around them. Now anyone they ever met or in a drivable distance is available to them and will try to contact them. So unless you meet a lot of their initial criteria, you're not being considered. The soft skills certainly matter, but Red Pill wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:51 PM
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None of this is based on anything real. It's just an idea of what you think Red Pill is which you have obviously put in very little effort to understand. We can study how women behave on dating apps and other arenas. Acting like things like physical attractiveness or career don't matter is just not based in reality. They do, and likely are the biggest factors influencing women's attraction. Does that mean what you write doesn't have a hint of truth to it? Of course not. But you're falling into t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:35 PM
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A lot of what you write is true, but that's only one part of it. Women are very "standards" based than men. Men are attracted to women, perhaps some part of their physical appearance attracts them more than other parts, etc. But for the most part, they don't care as much what other men are doing. Women care very much what other women are doing and the type of men they are partnering with. Social media and online culture has pushed a lot of women to raise their standards as far as physical appear…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:30 PM
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Yeah. I mean you see writing like that.... which is essentially is "men are terrible and the root of all evil." How are you even supposed to have a conversation or debate with that? Relationships are hard. I am guessing she has been in relationships with men. And then when there are problems in the relationship, she goes to her female friends who also complain about their relationships with men. But there's no self awareness or even intent to look at things objectively. If she was in a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:13 PM
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You're writing things that are angry. I am not making comments about who you are. As far as the list thing.... how am I supposed to know what "make a list" means? That's some phrase in your head that you're assuming everyone knows, but you're not correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:10 PM
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There's nothing personal. You're writing a lot of angry things. I just pointed that out. I don't know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:02 PM
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What is there to address? Your comments essentially are "men are terrible and at fault for everything." You can't really have a productive conversation with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:57 PM
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You sound very angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:49 PM
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What does "From the creator of "make a list" mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:39 PM
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Who knows what that means. I feel like this is some grudge you have from a month ago about something, but I don't know who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:16 PM
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Lillth jumping in with her open minded perspective encouraging good faith debate and encouraging people to try to understand each other instead of creating more strife among the sexes! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:53 PM
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Everyone lives in their own mind, has their own biases, and thinks they are correct... men and women. Relying on your partner to pick up on hints or body language is not a great way to have a successful relationship. Communicate and try to understand your partner's perspective. Thanks for describing men as having "stunted toddler brain" too. I'm sure that observation is based in actual evidence and reason and not you talking to your friends about how terrible men are /s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:44 PM
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The benefit is that it will easily be the biggest decision of your life and giving yourself a trial run is a good idea. Its also not something you simply decide "to do". You have work at it and make sure you're a good fit together. There are all kinds of challenges living together incites that you would never experience otherwise and hence not understand your or your partner's reaction. Instead of trying to find every reason under the sun not to do it, just ask your partner to do the same amount…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:56 PM
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Men are responding to what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:44 PM
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Lol, here's the thing, when someone posts links to the study, you act like you don't see it. It's childish. And trying to insist dating apps are an equal experience for men and women is just outrageously naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:32 PM
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You haven't. Literally just type the question into Google and you will find it quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:16 PM
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It's obvious you've never really looked into this subject, you just believe whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:28 PM
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I literally replied to you in a different thread with evidence. This conversation is useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:00 PM
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What you're writing isn't logical. A few men posting on a reddit subreddit is not research or significant evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:17 PM
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Why don't you post some links to this since all the reputable research opposes what you write, a quick view of that sub doesn't show this and of course.... Like anything on the Internet, the people who are posting about their stats are the ones most likely to be successful. 10% of men is a lot of people, just not nearly as much as 80%.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:08 PM
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While there is certainly truth to what you write... You know the scores of women "choosing to be single". Yeah, they're not choosing. The men they want don't want them. So there is a lot of truth in what you write about men, but it's certainly much more of an issue with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:10 PM
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Feminists are usually pro age gap to a degree. They're usually against anything that puts rules on a women or asserts she can't make decisions for herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:06 AM
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The things you write aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:58 AM
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These people were successful at crime because they were good at manipulating people. Women are people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:18 AM
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Women say this, but there honestly isn't much evidence of it. Most men I know simply don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:51 AM
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Yet another person conflating literally anything they don't like as "Redpill" without bothering to understand it for a second. I may vomit if I have to hear another person talking about men "taking their rights away" regarding abortion and ignoring that 45% of women vote for more restrictive abortion regulations and if even 30% of those women voted in support of abortive rights it would be a landslide in the other direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:15 AM
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Countdown to when you are banned from that sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:01 PM
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This woman is caught in the 1970s and it's amazing a major website like MSN.com would allow this on their site, but thus is where we are today as a society. It will change, but it may happen slowly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:48 PM
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Or.... everyone talks about how dating is difficult, people keep going on dating app to find someone and those apps are heavily favored towards women.... things aren't amazing. I feel like that's what Blue Pill has become. Ignoring evidence and bending over backwards to create some explanation to say it's really all fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 04:44 PM
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60% of men under 30 are single now, so if you assume people want to be in relationships, it can't possibly be true. And fmeinists want you to believe "nothing is wrong", because we live in a world where women simply have more advantages now. That was the start of Redpill that became controversial. Refuting the idea that men always are advantaged and women are always disadvantaged.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 04:04 PM
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Doesn't mean anything. Explain yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 03:47 PM
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Writing those words doesn't accomplish anything, you explain what you mean.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 03:36 PM
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Essentially agreeing to whatever Feminists want them to believe and support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 03:35 PM
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horribly cynical about women's nature Yeah, you may be right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 03:34 PM
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Redpill is always misogynistic, because it’s based on reinforcing the status quo of gender roles No, you just never took the time to understand it. Your understanding of it is what feminists tell you what it is, not what Redpillers actually say. And the reason why it actually works it’s because a lot of women are misogynistic too even if they don’t realize i It works because despite what women say, what they want is a strong man, who looks good, is eager to improve, and has money.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 03:33 PM
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This isn't it really. Yes, Redpill people would say women aren't honest about what they want, but that's really a side point. The guts of Redpill are to implore men to improve by working on themselves: work out and get in better shape, try to get the best job you can, etc. The idea that it's very anti-women is an idea portrayed by women, not Redpill itself. It's more about being "pro man" than anything else and feminists naturally label that as misogynistic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:07 AM
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I brought up the movie as where the term came from. Believe me when I tell you Red Pill men and those who began it are not interested in trans ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 02:21 AM
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Blue Pill is completely ridiculous. Red Pill is the most realistic but becomes too misogynistic at times. Black pill honestly does have some truth to it but is way too nihilistic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 02:20 AM
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We're talking about Redpill, not the matrix movies???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 12:52 AM
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They didn't create the Redpill movement. They made the movies. They're not the same thing. In the movie, "Redpill" is an analogy for the truth, i.e. real world. Men advocates adopted that idea as a reaction to Feminism which had taken over a lot of popular culture to explain reality from their standpoint.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 12:40 AM
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No.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 12:24 AM
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Not sure what the truth is, but my understanding is Redpill is the original pill, as it comes directly from the Matrix movies. Bluepill was a reaction to Redpill, and eventually stuff like Blackpill came along.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 12:01 AM
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Redpill isnt actually what you describe, that's more Blackpill stuff. Many people don't understand that because they just never bother to study exactly what Redpill is and anything opposing Feminist values is portrayed as misogyny. Redpillers can.get misogynistic, for sure, but it's more along the lines of.... When women say they value a "kind man", it's mostly bullshit. To attract women you need to get in shape, earn money, and look.imoressive. It encourages people to do that and ignore what wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 10:58 PM
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Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:33 PM
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We definitely do not know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:33 PM
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Yup, men are never in pain, they just instantly die.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:28 PM
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Yet they somehow live longer... which is usually the best marker of... health?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:25 PM
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Men pursuing women and women have pursuers is the same concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:02 PM
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Our male ancestors were pursuing women who had a handful of choices, at best, where modern men are pursuing women who have unlimited choices and modern culture encourages emotional affairs and a slow erosion of every relationship. Ancient men had it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:42 PM
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There's definitely a larger percentage of Redpill guys in relationships than most other "pills". You're likely conflating it with Blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:26 PM
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Feminists largely support age gap relationships as well. Because they feel you're taking away agency from the woman or controlling her by advocating against her wishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:22 PM
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This is a clueless statement. Most of Redpill is 100% true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:07 PM
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Very difficult to read. Regardless, I am sure most men would say they get very little sympathy from women, especially because women tend to empathize with themselves more than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:01 AM
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What are these feminist issues that we have to address? Because from what I see, other than security, women are the advantaged gender in first world countries now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/26 08:37 AM
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Are you asking if I think this a pointless conversation? I thought your first reply was pointless because there was no way what you wrote was based on any actual real analysis. So of course I think the rest of it is pointless and don't take your answers seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:15 AM
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I bet all that took 10 seconds!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:41 PM
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So here's the problem with your logic. Under no circumstance could you read my entire comment history in 10 seconds. So you must be referring to the fact you you were looking up how to read someone's comment history, which means you wrote the original comment without reading my comment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:49 PM
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Not sure what any of this means. I don't write every post other people write.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:45 PM
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Agree. ChatGPT takes 10 seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:16 PM
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Lol. It absolutely did. Haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:15 PM
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Her answer came from ChatGPT. Is she a moderator? I doubt it, yet that was her first answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:02 PM
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This has really taken off with the introduction of smartphones, social media, and dating apps. In the past... yes, men still pursued, but women's options were limited to their in person social network at any given time. That has changed and the world is still adjusting to it. Humans did not evolve in a world where any man a woman they've ever had contact with off or online could pursue them, and the barrier to communication is almost nothing, like it is now. Reactions will change, but it honestl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:02 AM
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I never said it wasn't true! I'm aware you can go to random sites to try to investigate people's history, it's completely crazy to do that. And the original replyer to me absolutely did not do that because she replied to me too fast. But yeah, it's super creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:45 AM
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You people are just straight up creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:33 AM
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It's unreasonable to write something on the internet, and not expect people to disagree or have a different opinion. People are going to have different opinions. If you don't want to hear a different perspective and just want people to agree with you... don't write it on the internet. Just talk to your friends in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:08 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:55 AM
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Nope, up to 10%, and by nature, it has to be under reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:40 AM
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What exactly is your point? If men write that, they're wrong. There's no double standard. I'm not sure you're helping your point because I doubt you find yourself agreeing with the men in those instances. And if you don't agree with them, why is it ok for you? Not angry about anything. Just having a debate and conversation. I'm not yelling or doing anything crazy. You're the one capitalizing words here. You're simply trying to deflect.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:28 AM
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It's like 10% of all cases! And it's obviously an impossible thing to study to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:24 AM
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I'm not sure what you want me to write. I understand exactly what you wrote. I've repeated it several times, verbatim. But it is a very insulting thing to write. You were the logical choice in your mind alone. He has his own agency and is able to make his own choices and doesn't agree with your logic. You are not the ultimate aribiter of logic. As a man, I can tell you men often just don't care about the characteristics you write. It's akin to insisting a woman is crazy because she didn't pick m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:19 AM
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Yeah, but it seems like most of it is fabricated, so.... And I honestly disagree with your point to begin with. If anything, it could normalize lawsuits initiated by those who are falsely accused, which is by far, men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:14 AM
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Not trying to be hurtful. Trying to point out that arrogantly assuming she was the logical choice is only an assumption, and takes away agency and choice from the man. She's essentially trying to justify "losing" by insisting the man she liked was acting crazy. It's such an insulting thing to write. The guy liked someone else. She just needs to accept that maturely without being insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:04 AM
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Well this entire post is about love not being logical. But she clearly wrote that she should have been picked if it was logical, and I and others are disagreeing with that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:58 AM
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Nice searching through every PPD post, lol. You need to get a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:54 AM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:53 AM
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You can actually debate the issue instead of just insisting you're correct. I'm sorry, but it simply is true that at 99.9999% of sporting events, nothing happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:22 AM
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I bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:19 AM
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Since you can't read my post history that really comes off as dishonest. Not sure you're doing yourself a favor writing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:08 AM
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Except there are likely hundreds of professional, minor, collegiate, and high school games every day and nothing happens 99.999% of the time. Can you find examples of almost anything? Yes. Does that mean it's a significant or sustained problem? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:05 AM
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Misogyny barely exists in the US anymore. People of course will call this crazy but struggle to point out real examples where it's accepted that women can't do something or discrimination against them is accepted . Yes, in places like very rural Americ or the deep south you can find backwards people and yes sometimes there are jokes, but for the most part, it has faded away. I am a liberal myself, so it pains me to say this, but liberals, especially liberal women, are conditioned to believe miso…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:08 AM
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Disagree. Reason to you, not him. What if he simply didn't like several things about you and their importance outweighed everything you think is important?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:30 AM
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You think the more reasonable thing was for him to choose you, but he didn't agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:27 AM
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Emotional intelligence essentially means "agree with me and be understanding" to most people. While I absolutely agree with you that you can't reason your way into a woman's heart, if something is not working, it's natural to ask questions about why something isn't working. You're being too judgemental about these men's reactions. What are they supposed to do... Just accept some vague thing about "emotional intelligence" that gives them no direction whatsoever and barely means anything? Just say…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:26 AM
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I didn't say there were. I think this entire idea is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:38 PM
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So in other words, there are no skills men get credit for that women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:33 PM
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What are the skills that men get so much credit for that women don't do? Because I am pretty sure they don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:31 PM
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Right. I don't enjoy talking to people looking to create endless arguments and avoid actually talking about real issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:30 PM
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If he's obviously incompetent, then those women are just dumber than he is. Look at Danish Deception. Most women wouldn't fall for that scam. Women fall for fake confidence and showy men all day long, it's like catnip to them. Women, in general, are pretty poor judges of it. In the same way men fall all over themselves for a very good looking woman and don't see the other flaws and problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:42 PM
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Yeah, the same thing exists with men. Men watch women fall over themselves for other men with fake confidence all the time. However, in general, women are more supportive of and stand up more for each other than men do. That's what men are referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:39 PM
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Useless harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:29 AM
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You're just trying to create drama and be argumentative. What is the point? Literally, in the first reply you responded to I wrote this isn't possible. But you keep going on and on trying to create a problem. So sad and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:43 AM
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This is the entire problem with this subject. Men just want equality. Women just assume they have significant privilege and any right they give to a man is a gift that has to be earned. Women have the choice to have a baby or not, no matter what the man chooses. Men don't have that choice, but it would be nice if they did. That's it. Another crazy insight you have is a result of your own mind overreacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:04 PM
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I feel like you have to be a mind reader to understand half the posts in this sub because so many posters are living in their own microworld and just assume everyone else understands their meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:01 PM
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Write your thoughts clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:49 PM
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Unfortunately a man can’t decide to have a baby if the mother chooses against it? Right. Are you anti abortion but pro paper abortion? What? Reproductive equality is not the woman has zero input and control over her body while the man and her master can make all decisions for her. You're overreacting and looking for a fight from a comment you didn't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:09 PM
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I wouldn't start over as someone else. I am who I am. But if you're asking me do I think life will be easier for my son or daughter? Absolutely my daughter. Being born a woman in a first world country these days is absolutely an easier life. Studies have shown that for the average person relationships are 50% of someone's happiness and if a woman is born with at least average looks, relationships are on easy mode compared to the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:07 PM
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This is some theoretical idea in your mind that doesn't mean anything. So what happens to a child that's aborted now? Obviously, it gets no rights. You seem to be ok with that, just not when men make that decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:02 PM
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Financial abortion as you want it doesn't make sense because it is defined that a child's mom doesn't have the right to terminate a child's rights to resources from it's father It's difficult to understand the point you're making. "terminate a child's rights to resources from it's father." What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:34 PM
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They might be, but that has nothing to do with what I said. They are. I mean, some of this is evolutionary psychology. Without going too deep into it, the guy women might find sexually attractive and the guy who would make for a good provider and spouse and father to her potential children...often times aren't the same guy. Who knows what you're trying to say here. The reality is you're just listing the qualities you prefer. You allowed to prefer them. But insisting that's what's good for women …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:29 PM
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It makes perfect sense and there’s no reason to pretend otherwise No, it doesn't. The Principle that grants men the rights to a child is the same principle that obliges him responsibility towards that child. You have to pick a default; does a man automatically have rights/responsibilities or does he not Why does this matter? The Father opts in or out. That's it. If the Father does nothing, they are essentially opting in. Why are you guys making this so complicated? Furthermore, there’s no legal …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:49 PM
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How would you define it legally ? Under what right ? What does this mean? It seems you have a lot of ideas in your head you're not flushing out. Currently, it's not the way the law works. But if it changed, a Father could opt in or out of the pregnancy. If they opt out, they have no parental or financial obligations. If they opt in, they do. I feel like you think the law has to adhere to some kind of "rights' or some thing like that. Nothing works like that. The law can simply be changed. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:46 PM
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such things can't be done in legal way just by suggesting that it's unfair for men. You'd have to define that a man doesn't have automatic obligations to a child which would also mean defining that he doesn't have automatic rights to the child either. I just feel like you're making this way too confusing for unneeded reasons. The father opts in or out during a certain timeframe. That's it. It really is not that complicated. your rights would be at her discretion. No. The Father opts in or out. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:04 PM
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the post is for those who think financial abortion is a actual equal position. Right, I understand that, I think it's a position. It means that if men don’t have automatic financial obligations it wouldn’t make sense for them to have any automatic parental rights This doesn't make sense and is overly confusing. The father opts in or out. If they are in, they have financial obligation and parental rights. If they aren't, they have no financial obligation or parental rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:34 PM
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Ok. But if you've never had it... how do you know? Also, if you have a boyfriend, why are you dating another man? Regardless, good luck. I wouldn't tell him why if you decide to cut it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:25 PM
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If you measure, you measure. Just know that the average is actually between 5 and 6 inches and guys will always exaggerate. Women are notoriously bad at being able to judge it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:20 PM
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That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A fetus is conceived. There is a father and mother. Both have a chance to opt out of the pregnancy. If they both agree, the baby is born with two parents in the picture. If the father doesn't want to be involved, but the mother still would like to have the baby, she can, and the father isn't involved. Unfortunately, a man can't decide to have a baby if the mother chooses against it. But that's about as fair as it will ever get.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:17 PM
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I'm a heterosexual man, so I don't have sex with men. But only about 5 to 15% of men have penises 6.5 inches or larger in length. Are you measuring these because men will always exaggerate. And your current date could be exaggerating, or he could be telling the truth and many of your other partners were exaggerating. I would say if you only had a few partners, ok. But if you've had a diverse amount of partners, the chance one of those prior penises was actually smaller than 6.5 is very high.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:12 PM
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It sounds great but this causes a different inequality due to burden of pregnancy. It's not fair on women to expect to share their baby with a man who's only contribution is sperm. What does this mean? Because if the man is only giving their sperm and nothing else, the woman is not sharing the baby. The man is not involved. And now for you to establish a truly equal system you'd have to declare the male's parental rights to be of the mother's choice to give or not**. This can also screw over men…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:08 PM
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I wouldn't tell him. Is his girth ok? Because honestly 4-5 inches is close to average length. I honestly may try it out first if you love everything else about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:47 PM
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Not sure you'll find many guys insisting Only Fans isn't a waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:00 AM
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It's definitely true that the reason women have so much power in the dating market these days compared the average man is because men chase women. That's always been the case, but in the past the chase was limited to men in a women's immediate area. Now with cell phones and instant messaging, she can be chased by anyone she's ever met, and the barrier to chase for the man is lower than ever. Much easier to send a text/message than talk to someone in person. So the amount of men available to a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:25 AM
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i didn't write that. i just wrote that i've seen examples of that on another sub. so, not generalizing Yes, generalizing. What is the point of citing that point if you're not trying to use it as an example of "how men are". I see examples of women all over this sub and everywhere else saying how terrible men are. Do I get to imply women hate men? You don't get to try to generalize and then back away and say.... oh I'm not generalizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:09 AM
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You have a lot of ideas in your head, that you think are related and assume other people think of them the same way you do, but people do not. That doesn't mean writing a post is unwarranted or you shouldn't be able to write out your opinion, you should, just try to be more deliberate in your writing and thoroughly explain things a little more. When multiple people, including women, are asking you... what is "The Movement"... that's a sign the writing may be uneccessarily confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:40 PM
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Agree, it's a mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:24 PM
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Can you write your thesis in 1-2 sentences?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:51 PM
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Try to rewrite this in a much clearer and more succinct way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:39 PM
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There are whole discussions online about a lot of things. I can also point out to you that conservative voters tend to be less and undereducated and I'm not sure that's what appeals to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:35 PM
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I don't think a lot of women would agree with your list. "Hippy-dippy liberal"? Wow. You're just describing your own preferences. Which is fine. But a big jump assuming this is what everyone wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:37 PM
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Agree but most women could care less about any of that when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:40 PM
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Sure... But tell us what that actually means. Because usually it just means some guy I had a relationship problem with it ghosted me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:09 PM
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Lol, just as I predicted. You just play games.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:30 PM
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Let's try this a simpler way.... What does "toxic" mean to you? And please don't answer with something along the line of... "if you don't know how can you debate this." Just tell us what you're actually talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:47 PM
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It is when you use to deflect about the actual topic you're debating or real issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:44 PM
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Yeah, semantic words games and arguing for the sake of arguing, like you are doing now, is not useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:26 PM
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No, I doubt you think about it deeply. I think you essentially mean men disagreeing with you and general relationship problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:24 PM
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Yes, but what that does mean? Because people use words like "toxic" to mean literally anything and mostly it simply means they have disagreements. Yes, domestic abuse happens and it's terrible. But it's not 1830 anymore. We don't live in a world where men keep women as slaves, beat them, and do whatever they want while women quietly take care of the house and the kids. Women essentially do whatever they want, whenever they want, and have a lot of advantages over men these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:05 PM
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Do you have any experience with dating in the last decade? Yes, people and women may talk about toxic masculinity, but you know what they choose and want when dating? Masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:14 AM
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Lol. Total fabrication.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:13 AM
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You didn’t come up with 10 boundaries that are okay to push Right, I am not going to write a 300 word essay because you demand it. I gave you one example. Be reasonable. but you dont really have any examples of what limits are okay to push and what aren’t I literally just gave you an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:54 AM
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Anyone that pressures someone to cross these limits is a diabolical person Yeah, no, that never happened. Your inability to write a good answer to my question coupled with your act of sexual harassment You're simply deflecting because you don't have a good reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:45 AM
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A person can define anything they want as a boundary. It simply is a preference. For instance.... I may say my "boundary" is that I won't tolerate someone who communicates with their exes. Then you may start dating someone who has been friends with an ex for 20 years. And you work out a compromise. This isn't rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:39 AM
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This works for women under the age of 25, maybe, but after that they definitely care about reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:36 AM
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Who knows what you're talking about. People in relationships have disagreements and have to make compromises to make the relationship work. Just because someone says the word "boundary", doesn't mean disagreeing with them is some kind of violation of innate human rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:12 AM
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What exactly do you want me to say? When you essentially write "men love and brag about abusing women"... yes, that's blatant misandry. I've been a man my entire life, have never heard other men talk in that way. Does that mean it doesn't happen? Of course not, but generalizing some anecdotal story into a characterization of an entire class of people is a problem. If instead of "men", you were talking about minorities, that would be called racisim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:10 AM
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You're living in an unrealistic bubble and spreading misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:54 AM
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There are certain limits that certain people don’t ever want to cross. Sure. Anyone that pressures someone to cross these limits is a diabolical person Definitely not. That's a ridiculous statement. If someone is physically abusing you or forcing a sexual act on you, of course. If two people disagree about having friends of the opposite sex or how they will handle finances... those are just called normal relationship problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:47 AM
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"Boundaries" is just internet slang for telling your partner what you want. No relationship will ever survive if people don't make compromises.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:38 PM
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That's definitely a misandrist comment saying men see abusing women as a status symbol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:22 PM
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Relationships are a series of compromises. The internet may tell you you should never make compromises, but that is not compatible with having a successful relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:17 PM
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I tell you why, because you think that many men are good ones partner wise I think that men are basically similar to women. Average BMI? Same. Career and net worth? Men earn more money. There isn't an objective measure you can point to to say that women and men are very different, yet it's just assumed most men are trash. It's simply based on what you want to believe, not anything real. And when you write there are "only 10%" desirable men.... what is someone to say that? I would love to date a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:12 PM
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Men don't believe they're great, they just find dating hard and women to be too picky. It's just a fact that the average woman will have a much greater selection on a dating app than a man will. You know how more and more women are single and choosing to be single these days? That's mostly because the guys they want, don't want them. Eventually more and more men will choose to be single because they don't want to play the game anymore. We're not there yet, but it will gradually change, and it wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:32 PM
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but in reality employer (women) has to wade through piles of crap to find someone who's at least somewhat qualified Very difficult to read someone comparing endless options to people with no options and say "It's really hard to decide". It's super insensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:04 AM
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Things are changing a bit, but it is true in most liberal areas of the internet, like Reddit, they won't tolerate criticism of women or the idea that men have it harder than women. This sub, for example, is a little more tolerant, but there will be posts all day about how terrible men are but it's just less tolerant of the same criticism projected towards women. I just got banned for 3 days for writing that I didn't think someone's answers were well thought out and writing LOL. I never criticize…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:02 AM
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You're completely right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:37 AM
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Endless relationships where it's always the other person's fault. You likely won't be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:54 PM
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What? Difficult to follow your primary point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:32 PM
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It's difficult to read your post. Usually, it takes everyday society years to decades to what's the happening on the ground. Things are radically different than they were in 1980 or even 1990. There simply is not an inherent system that oppresses women anymore. In fact, you could make a strong argument that they botn as the privileged class now. As far as your girlfriend... Yeah, it's tough. It will change as time goes on, but it's difficult to have a relationship with a man whenyoucontinually e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 11:54 AM
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It is a topic of debate. I understand people debate it. Taking that seriously shows how unbelievable biased you are. Step 1 in being unbiased is assuming equality in every situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:07 PM
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I know you’re arguing in bad faith The idea that you would bring up 50/50 custody means you expose yourself to overwhelmingly biased media and speaks to how you approach these gender related subjects. No objective person would ever consider that debatable in any way. Next time.... if you're trying to prove how unbiased you are? Don't bring that one up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:13 PM
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50/50 should be the standard The fact that you think that is something that should be discussed and debated is honestly freightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:06 PM
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I believe in 50/50 custody Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:01 PM
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You're assuming I care enough to play some predictable game. I don't. But I think anyone reading your replies can predict how you will feel about any men's or women's rights issue. It's incredibly obvious. You're just annoyed because you didn't realize how predictable and obvious it is to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:44 PM
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Your answers aren't exactly sophisticated and well thought out, so yes, I do believe I can predict almost every stance you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:41 PM
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There’s no such thing as post birth abortions Has nothing to do with post birth. During the same period a woman has a right to perform an abortion, a man should have the same right to walk away. You don't need to keep replying. You've outed yourself as very biased. We already know every answer you're going to write.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:36 PM
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Has nothing to do with biology, it has to do with laws. Biology doesn't dictate someone has turn over money for the next 18 years for a pregnancy they didn't want. Bet you're not saying "biology isn't fair" when people look at abortion as if it's murder and write restrictive laws about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:25 PM
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Men’s rights about a fetus ends when he is no longer in possession of his sperm Right, you're complaining about a women's rights but don't believe men should have equal rights. What's the point of this conversation? You're opinion is too biased to have an objective, reasoned conversation. We understand you want women to have advantages and men to not have equal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:22 PM
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I would ask yourself what exactly do you want? What is your goal in this discourse? Do you want men to hate you? Do you want men to vote against any priority you have? Because the viewpoint and attitude you use to address these issues advocates for that goal. No one is proposing a political party intervene to help them get dates. They're advocating for you to stop spewing so much hatred to towards them and expecting them to vote for your side.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:18 PM
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Wage gap isn't real. It was 50 years ago, not now. Body autonomy? I would guess you mean abortion, which has restrictive laws because about 40% of women vote for more restrictive laws. Get back to us about that issue when nearly have of the group you're advocating for isn't asking for more restrictive laws. But speaking of abortion.... are you in favor of a paper abortion for men? Where abortion is legal, which it is in most parts of the country up until a certain point, a women has the freedom …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:14 PM
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You didn't write that exactly, but it's the usual.... "that's just life, nothing can be done". Which I will guarantee you did not think in the past about women's issues. And more importantly, your response is just uninformed and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:06 PM
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Keep blaming men, offer them no sympathy, no understanding, look for every reason under the sun not to seek greater understanding... then become upset when they vote against you. Why are people this obtuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:01 PM
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Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:59 PM
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What exactly are you trying to debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:16 PM
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“Women being advantaged in the dating market” is not a thing Hahahaha. You need to come back to reality or find out what has been happening in the last decade. An average looking woman will go on a dating app and get a thousand men to express interest in a major metro area, where the average man may get 1/10th of that. The woman may be unhappy, sure, but that's because she wants more. The man is usually expected to pay for and plan everything while the woman simply presents herself on a dating a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:55 PM
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Not the point. The point is that women lapping men in everything under the sun is just not based on reality. If you want to make a point saying BMI is not completely correct, I understand your concern, but the point remains than women aren't in drastically better shape than men. They're relatively similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:52 PM
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Young men don't have any super strong allegiance to the Right, it's just the only side that will hear their concerns. The Left has traditionally been aligned with disadvantaged classes - working class, immigrants, minorities, etc. And for a long time, women have been disadvantaged. But those times are gone. Women are now advantaged as they have a significant advantage in the dating market and the days of women receiving lower salaries or losing out on promotions simply for being women are long g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:09 PM
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The idea that women "are doing better" is not actually true. Men on average make more money and have slightly lower BMIs. More women have been graduating college but it's close, with 55% of graduates being women. And a big reason that is happening is because men have other realistic options than college - the trades - where women on average do not find it socially acceptable to become a plumber or electrician. So if you look at the percentage of men vs women finishing some kind of post high scho…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:00 PM
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What does "attractive" mean to you? Tall? In amazing shape? Wealthy? The average man is 5'9 with a 40 inch waist and makes 70k a year. If that isn't enough, that means you're looking for an exceptional man in certain ways and to attract that man you need to be an exceptional woman compared to your peers. The other reality is men know that women who are serially single can't make relationships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:05 PM
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I would work on getting other women to agree with you first before blaming else under the sun
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:11 PM
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You're just writing down random things that annoy you with much direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:09 PM
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Men complaining about women divorcing them is fact Agree men complain about women divorcing them. Why wouldn't they complain about making a decision for a lifelong commitment not working out? Abortion being illegal is facts Which happens because women vote for it to happen. Conservatives saying women shouldn’t work is facts No. I am a lifelong liberal and the fact is you can find extreme things said on either side. Trying to paint the other side by it's extremists is dishonest. Regardless, this …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:27 PM
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An abortion ban is a restriction of a woman’s control over her body You can view that way and many people do. The problem is a lot of the people who vote for that to happen are women. If all women voted against it, it wouldn't happen. So, I am not sure how you blame men for that. Therapy. You need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:23 PM
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You're just rambling. What does any of this mean? You live in a very biased, anecdotal world in your own head. You don't seem to be aware that other people experience the world differently than you do. For example, let's take one of the things you write.... "Abortion being illegal is facts". What does that mean? Are you pro-choice or pro-life? You don't explain anything. And if you're pro-choice, you seem to blame men. Why? 40 to 50% of the people who vote for stricter abortion laws are women. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:17 PM
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You write no facts whatsoever. All you write about are feelings and ideas in your head with no backing evidence whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:07 PM
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You need therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:29 PM
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Come back to use when you can write anything more than men want to control everyone and everything like supervillians.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:09 PM
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This is a worthless conversation. You can't get past the idea of thinking of men like they're some kind of supervillain and all your answers demonstrate extremely shallow thinking and analysis on the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:31 PM
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Zero idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:10 PM
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While this is true, this is basically how everything in life works: friends, jobs, experiences, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:14 PM
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Yeah, it's not 1950. You need to break out of the "Women are the Victims and Men are monsters" mentality to see the world how it really is. In past, men had a lot of the advantages and women understandably felt repressed and used. Now, the tables have turned and men are experiencing a part of women experienced in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:38 AM
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Women aren't honest about their preferences because they are more concerned about status and appearances than men and don't want to seem shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:02 AM
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Men don't care about women "needing them". Men care about women treating them like human beings and not play toys they can just use and discard at will.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:59 AM
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Men are welcome to opt out if they think women aren’t worth it. It’s just that clearly they think they are. They definitely will be if current trends continue. And women will then complain how absolutely no men want to commit or invest in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:49 PM
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It is for society as it is proven to be that kids raised in a married household with both parents produce the best outcome. But at the end of the day.... as someone who wants a long-term relationship to work, why get involved if you know there's a high chance the woman is going to leave? Right now women are benefitting from a world where men are still investing in them as if the long-term relationship will work. So women are getting everything they want up front and can leave or give up whenever…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:07 PM
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No, it's a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:47 PM
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No idea what you're talking about. It's not 1950 anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:47 PM
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Doesn't mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:53 PM
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Yeah, but that's an anecdotal story.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:52 PM
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No idea what you're talking about. No one forced anyone to do anything in the past. Women just have more options now and their tastes have been affected by social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:52 PM
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No... The dating is great for older men thing is a myth. More women are single than ever and are choosing to be single. It many ways it is true they have it better than much younger men, but they are still faced with a world where most average looking women have endlessly more options than them and will end relationships at a drop of a hat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:08 PM
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Well, we know drastically less people make it to marriage than 50 years ago. So that's about as objective as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:02 PM
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No, people aren't generally going to think it's great when one side has a gigantic advantage and gets to be pickier compared to the other side. And in general, although we know less people are getting married but won't know how this turns out for another decade, it feels like most relationships don't last as long as in the past, which is a disaster for people looking for long-term, stable relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:03 PM
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Both men and women take their advantages for granted. For men, it can be related to safety and security. For women, at least most average women, it's attention. They will receive attention and ease with normal every activities that they completely take for granted and can't even perceive as an advantage. It's hard for them to understand a world where they're completely ignored like most men are. It is more difficult for unattractive women, but they still will often be at a huge advantage compare…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:16 PM
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Another person who doesn't understand Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:19 AM
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It just simply is much easier for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:18 AM
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Depends on what she looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:47 AM
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It's the complete opposite of what you write here. It's built on observations on how the world actually is and how women actually act rather than what women say aloud.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:59 PM
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Very difficult to understand what the main point of this rant is. Try to simplify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:42 PM
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Women told men over and over that being nice is the way to go. They just weren't being totally honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:13 PM
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You ignore the points and the data. Ok friend, good luck to you and your female victim complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:52 AM
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Female Pay Gap - doesn't exist. At a cursory look at the data you will see men earn more, but when you go into depth it's because men choose careers that pay higher and work longer. There is no gap that essentially pays women less for the same work and experience. What is your response?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:32 AM
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Can't have a real conversation because you don't have real points. You need to actually look at objective facts and stop drowning yourself with the female victime complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:29 AM
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Half your points are nonsense. I don't have to respond everything you write. As soon as someone starts going off about the gender pay gap I know they're living in 1985 and don't bother to actually look at the facts and understand how the world has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:05 AM
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The gender pay gap is still very real. Gender pay gap isn't real. It exists because women choose lower paying careers and take more time off. Women's healthcare has been so under researched Not real Threats to reproductive rights! At least half of women vote for this. Women choose this on their own. Having a discussion with you is like going back in time 3 decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:58 PM
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You're going to have to elaborate on that. In 1980, it was real. Women would apply for jobs and be rejected because they were female or get offered the job at 50% of the male pay rate. But those days are gone. They have all the same equal opportunities men have and more. Creating special programs and advantages for women is socially acceptable where there is much more pushback for men, despite women having all the same opportunities. And as far as dating and relationships, the average women simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:52 PM
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You're writing like you live in 1980. Women are very much the privileged class in comparison to men these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:24 PM
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Men take safety for granted, women take attention for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:55 PM
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This is totally true. All kinds of women advertise themselves as allies of LGTBQ+ people but would never date a bisexual man. And yes, they are free to date who they want.... but it does come off as pretty hypocritical. It's like someone being supportive of the rights of the poor while choosing to live in a separate themselves from the poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:40 PM
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Definitely true, but on average, it's the man getting too excited the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:30 AM
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Lolol, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:41 PM
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There definitely are bisexual men. But really. I mean really... most men are straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:40 PM
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Lolol. Buddy, those arent real psychological terms. It's internet babble.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:07 AM
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I know scores of men who aren't partnered who weren't bullied. Although I do bet there is a correlation between me being unattractive and both being bullied and unsuccessful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:08 AM
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You're giving an anecdotal story my friend. Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:09 PM
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The entire reason this sub exist is essentially because you can't criticize women to the same degree as men in most of reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:47 PM
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It was 30 years ago. Not as much anymore. Women essentially have every opportunity men have these days and more advantages. There is a victim mentality in women's culture that just isn't based on reality anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:02 PM
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His point is that criticism of these women is not allowed in polite society where the same criticism of men is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:00 PM
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Cop out to what? Lol. There's no one or thing you have to answer to. That makes no sense whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:22 AM
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Using the word "boundaries" isn't going to convince people you're not lost in the world of useless therapy speak that gives you little insight. All these words you write basically mean nothing. Here's reality: people in a relationship are in that relationship because they want to be treated a certain way and want their partner to act a certain way. If their partner doesn't... they may leave. That's it. All these words: boundaries, ultimatums, insecurity, etc are mostly useless therapy speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:44 PM
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Who knows what you're talking about. The point stands. The idea that ultimatums don't exist in healthy relationships is uninformed nonsense. It's an idea largely purported by feminists used to getting their way who are trying to impose their desires on everyone else without recourse. And I say that as a lifelong liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:34 PM
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It's example to show how ridiculous your reasoning is. Every relationship has ultimatums. That's how relationships work, unless one of the partners is completely submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:24 AM
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Not really. Almost every relationship has ultimatums. If you kill someone, most people are going to stop dating you. That's an ultimatum. Relationships work on ultimatums. You can't realistically expect to do whatever you want at all times and continue to have a relationship. Honestly, most of this speak about ultimatums and "controlling behavior" is semantics used by feminists to manipulate people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:51 AM
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Useless therapy garbage speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:14 AM
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Who cares about semantics. It's such a worthless use of time. When you're in a relationship, the other person expects you to act a certain way. You can't do whatever you want and demand they stay with you. That's just naive stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:13 AM
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A puppy can feel and even think and has emotion. A fetus, up until abortion is legal, can't. It's a bunch of cells. If people want to treat it the same as a human baby, by all means. But it's certainly not a human baby. at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:59 PM
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Why? It can't feel, sense, think, make decisions, or feel pain. How is that a human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:21 PM
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Agree with a lot or most of this, but Blue Pill is exactly the same, just from the opposite perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 08:53 AM
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My ex (a woman) who was definitely attractive but not a model and actively looking went on 150 in 10 years. Only a handful of several month long relationships during that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:00 PM
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Not attracted to men. For women, most are attractive in some way when they are young, most aren't attractive as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:18 AM
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Incorrect. You're surrounding yourself with the wrong men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:53 PM
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Men are more interested to find romance/sex than women and because of that many women don't need to ever use an app where men may stay on the app indefinitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:24 PM
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Thankfully, this isn't reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:52 PM
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You don't understand what you're saying, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:49 PM
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What you're asking is post anything you want on the internet and demand people agree with you. No one has that, about any subject. That's not how life works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:47 PM
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Not sure what you mean. Are you asking to put your opinion on the Internet and insist people only agree with you? No one can have that, about any subject. Just find some friends in real life to do that with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:32 PM
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Yup. In general, on reddit and most major media sources, a women's only perspective is tolerated to a much greater degree than a male only or male dominant perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:01 PM
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Isn't that what reddit and the general media is? It's dominated by women's perspectives. Everything you write are things we've heard thousands of times. If you're talking about having any random opinion immune to critique.... then yes, you can have that somewhere, but not on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:55 PM
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I am not sure where you get that but I definitely do not think women seriously consider any man they match with. And I wholeheartedly disagree... There are tons of men who literally gave zero options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:02 PM
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I understand your point, I just disagree. My point is not that men never get likes or matches, of course it happens, it's that it has drastically changed from even 10 years ago. You're describing a picture of yourself where it's not easy... Imagine a guy who's in worse shape then you, maybe smaller, with a worse job? How hard do you think it is for him? There really are tons of men who get absolutely zero attention on a dating app where in the past they would have had more of a chance with not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:04 PM
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Things have changed. Dating has never been super easy for average guys. But now it's turned up several notches because women's overall tastes have been affected by dating apps and social media and now it's more socially acceptable than ever to be alone. More people than ever are unpartnered. The marriage rate keeps falling. Absolutely... a lot of guys who say they have no options could settle for something. But it simply is true that so so many men just really don't have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:48 AM
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You're completely out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:07 AM
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You're completely out of touch my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:18 AM
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Again.... Not talking about matches. Talking about likes. Not sure you understand the difference. You seriously have to hiding under a rock, a top tier man who easily gets most women he wants, or simply in a long-term committed relationship not to see things have drastically changed in the last ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:54 AM
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A man can go on a dating app and get likes. We're not talking about matches, likes. How often do you hear men complain about not getting likes? All the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:27 PM
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Absolutely disagree. This was true decades ago. Now so many of those women rather be single because it's more socially acceptable now and women's standards overall have risen. It is true that a lot of men who say they have no options do have some options. But there absolutely a lot of men who literally don't have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:00 PM
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What is real? Explain what you're actually talking about? The idea that men expect women to wait on them hand and foot? Be real. If that's your point people are simply not going to take you seriously. You're living in a fantasy bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:29 PM
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Saying what's not real? What actually are you literally talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:26 PM
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Divorce is overwhelming biased against men in the courts, that's true. But in general, it's also biased against the higher earner, which usually is the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:25 PM
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You need to explain this more. Agree there is culture and status involved, but if anything, that's more important to women. Not sure I understand what you mean by this reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:24 PM
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Who knows what this means. You need to stop living online.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:22 PM
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I am an older man whose lived all over the culture and I would tell you this just isn't real. Are there relationships where one spouse does more work? Definitely. But usually... this is people using anecdotal experiences and generalizations to criticize the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:18 PM
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Which they should. Because the idea that most men expect women to wait on them hand and foot in developed countries is not real. Are there outliers and exceptions? Of course, just like there are for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:30 AM
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Have you actually been married? If not... Maybe sit this one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:28 AM
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They don't. You're not living in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:17 AM
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It's not 1934 anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:06 AM
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Men benefit more from marriage because they seem to prefer married life. There really is no other objective reason men have to benefit more. Most of those studies and opions that you reference do have overwhelming bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:05 AM
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Nice idea, women aren't going to do it. Why would they. If you want this to happen, you need to first convince men to stop pursuing women. Women have all the power with most men because men are pursuing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:56 PM
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What is your point? Why do you keep replying?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:40 AM
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I'm not sure what your point is? Obviously if a woman initiates it will be easier for the man. But we're not discussing that, were discussing what men's preferences are. Women care about so many things... confidence, social status, money, height, etc. For men... at least 75% or more of it, especially when someone is young, is whether they find that women physically attractive. They could care less about all the priorities women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:14 AM
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The scenario you put forth doesn't matter most of the time because the majority of the time men do almost everything's in early courting anyway. Female confidence is just not something high on men's list of preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 11:00 AM
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Women, in general, have a very difficult time understanding or accepting that men are just fundamentally different romantically. There certainly are some men who would be attracted to confidence. But honestly? Most just don't care. In fact.. being more agreeable and less opinionated is a great thing for women in men's eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:54 AM
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Women have been programmed by social media to think everyone they don't like is a narcissist. They are programmed to break up with anyone who is "insecure", and they call any behavior they don't agree with as "dismissive."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:15 AM
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The reason it's noteworthy is because women are very attracted to confidence in dating whereas men kinda barely care in dating circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 10:13 AM
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Ok, you're never going to write anything productive. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:51 AM
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Just reply and write your point in 2 to 3 sentences. Don't write something referring to what other people wrote. Just write your literal point. Otherwise, it's impossible to have a conversation with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:24 AM
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Someday you'll answer and actually write something specific so we know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:37 AM
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Yeah, you need to be more specific. What ideas? What are you actually talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:24 PM
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I have no idea what you're point is. Your answers are all over the map and make no congruent sense. Perhaps it makes sense to you in your mind. I feel like you are operating on so many biases in your head it's hard for other people to follow. If you'd like to discuss your point, try to boil it down to 2-3 sentences and write it clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:51 PM
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Well, we can say "oh everyone be nice to each other" and have world peace according to you, right? But we don't. There's all kinds of conflict and war. Just like people have all kinds of motivations and views in dating. As man, looking at it like "women just want you to be nice to them" is just entirely too simplistic. Most average looking women have a lot options, now so more than ever with online dating and social media. Being nice to them is a way too simple description of how to understand t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:16 PM
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Yeah, you miss the plot entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:50 PM
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There are significant power dynamics in every relationship. Regardless, OP is talking about societal trends and desires in early dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 06:53 PM
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Sure. A woman can get an IUD, take birth control etc. But once both parties go for unprotected sex the woman still has options. The man has none.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 11:44 PM
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Absolutely. Just like women can. But when they both make the choice not to be celebate, women have more choices and freedom than men do. Men essentially have none.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:51 PM
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You're completely overreacting. There's nothing hostile. You called me "dismissive", which is literally the most distrustful thing a person writes these days. It's not hostile when someone disagrees with your opinion. We're adults and have to accept people disagree without becoming emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 08:50 PM
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Cardiovascular disease and cancer are not unique to men. Pregnancy and periods are unique to women Right, but men have higher rates of those things because they have more testosterone. Pregnancy is not a choice. Give us a break. This isn't 1800. Yes, pregnancy is a choice most of the time. A woman can choose to be celibate or use birth control if they don't want to be pregnant. And again, this is the year 2025, most women who get pregnant do not face life changing health consequences. And I can’…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:01 PM
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But we both acknowledge that while both men and women can experience both problems it’s not equal. That was the point of the conversation that men and women face different problems at different rates. Right, men are the victims of more violence in their lives than women. It was the highlight that women faced the problem more than men But they don't, men face more violence in their lives. OK, and in a lot of ways, life is harder for women we get periods every month we have to go through pregnancy…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:23 PM
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You did dismiss my point on that issue. I stand behind that statement. But that's different than calling an entire person dismissive because you can't keep up with counterpoints. Obviously, I have been addressing every point you write, you just don't enjoy that. It is insulting. And yes, these days, as soon as someone starts labeling someone as "dismissive", you know they're being disingenuous and ignorant. It's a dead give away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:58 PM
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So then, why bring it up? Why bring up the fact that “it happens to men too” when you know it’s not equal?? I don't follow this conversation. Perhaps, it's me. The entire point of this exchange is to say that life is actually harder in many ways for men and a lot of things that women take for granted, like easy access to men, will be a shock to them when they are put in men's shoes. So the entire point of my answers is to insist the dating experiences aren't the same. Okay what does that have to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:54 PM
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Are you serious? That’s what YOU just did! No, my point is they're not equivalent. Yes men can also face stalking and harassment but it’s not equal to what women experience. I never said it was equal. In fact, every time I said women face it more. But the reality is that men face more violence overall in life. but at the same time women are stalking and sexually assaulting them all the time?? I never wrote it happens "all the time" as in at every encounter. I wrote it happens. It happens more fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:32 PM
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Not really. It's just pretty insulting to have a conversation with counterpoints and hear someone say "dismissive" as soon as they don't like the outcome of the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:29 PM
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Disagreeing and proving counter points is not "dismissing". That's naive and ignorant feminist language. People talk about issues, disagree, and provide counterpoints. "Dismissing" that your points are completely ignored, or you profess the truth that can't be disagreed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:00 PM
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Men absolutely do not have the right to their own bodies all the time and men also have zero rights in pregnancies yet are forced to be legally held responsible for decision other people make. Totally fine with letting a woman do whatever she wants with a pregnancy. But you can't have that and then force the man to be financially responsible for 18 years. You can't have both. If you want men to be financially responsible, they should have a right to input on what happens to the pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:41 PM
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My arguments are disingenuous? Give me a break. Your entire answer is. You literally said that it would be easier as a woman because dating would be easier. Somebody responded saying that women get harassed, stalked, assaulted and abused by men they date and they have to worry about that and your response is “well that happens to men too.” Yes, men actually get stalked by women. Yes, women commit violence against men. This is real and actually happens. Does it happen to women more frequently? Of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:30 PM
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It's the same fucking thing for men though! Doctors do not want to perform vasectomies on 23 year olds. That's the point! Men experience similar issues and you dismiss it as irrelevant. That's the point of this entire exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:25 PM
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of course men can be harassed and assaulted but acting like that's something men worry about when dating women, to the degree that women have to worry about it when dating men, is disingenuous. like, in terms of violence, we know that men murder both men and women at way higher rates than women murder men and women so, women have to take more precautions for safety when dating. like, having the passing worry that you might get raped and murdered seems like less of a privilege than worrying wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:07 PM
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Quite honestly? It depends on how attractive they are and what types of men they desire. If they are very attractive and/or not too picky on what type of man they date... there will always be another guy if a relationship goes sour and many guys will put up with a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:36 AM
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dating - yes, generally (straight cis) women do not have to do as much of the pursuing. no doubt. but men have the privilege of not worrying to the same degree about sexual harassment, stalking, and safety concerns before setting a date, not worrying about getting pregnant, if you do hook up your body count won't be used to shame you. also, sexual attention might seem like the best thing ever but when the attention is unwanted and/or the pursuer is aggressive (and larger than you because he's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:29 AM
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Dating - You don't have to do much as a woman. Literally just exist or present yourself on social media or dating apps or real life. Men will message you, set up dates, and lead everything early in the relationship and you simply have to decide if you like the man or not. As opposed to the average man who will mostly be ignored unless he puts in significant effort. Academics and Work - Special scholarships and often privileges exist for women. The same thing usually does not exist or is frowned …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:06 PM
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Red Pill says that women are attracted to hot men, not feminist men. Literally exactly what you are saying. The issue becomes a sticky point because most women don't actually say this aloud. They list other qualities, because often are afraid of being judged as shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:10 PM
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Everyone thinks the grass is greener on the other side because they take their own advantages for granted. The story of life. But average looking (or better) women will be shocked at how difficult life became overnight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:58 PM
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40 to 50% of the voters who vote to control your bodies and birth control are women. This is a button you absolutely do not want to press. You have no idea of the privilege most normal looking women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:53 PM
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I've never heard most people in life talk about advanced sociology or psychology topics either, but that doesn't mean they're not real.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:02 PM
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In a way it's been there but social media and dating apps have exaggerated it greatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:00 PM
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You're either deliberately lying or just not in touch with reality these days to have this conversation. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:48 PM
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Most men are taller than most women, so unless she has a height fetish, thats not something to mention I'm not sure where you're living, but it's a pretty universal thing these days that women obsess over height. For example, men over 6ft are significantly more advantaged compared to other men on dating apps because many women filter out men under 6ft. Acting like height is the same as saying a man who has 4 limbs is essentially like living on another planet and completely out of touch with real…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:34 PM
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Its not a puzzle to neurotypical people who dont have a disability when it comes to words Lolol. So ridiculous. If your number one criteria is a man who is tall, for example, it shouldn't be a situation where you only mention that if someone exactly asks you something along the lines of "what height do you require". If someone asks you what you like in a man.... it should be the first thing you mention if it means the most to you. So silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:12 PM
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Who knows what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:38 PM
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You really can't demand anything. You make a post and people reply with their thoughts. You don't control people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:27 PM
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Right, but it you agree it's both genders, then it makes no sense to make an entire post attacking men over it. You could create a post discussing the issue without blaming a specific gender. Which would honestly be better for everyone and save you a lot of criticism that you seem ultra sensitive to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:20 PM
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I really don't get your responses. First off, no one is preventing you from talking about anything. It has nothing to do with "allowing you to talk about a subject." You're demanding that everyone agree with you, which is an unreasonable demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:57 PM
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That's my point. So do women. The point is.... this isn't specific to men. It's just people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:54 PM
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The point is that it's not a male or female centric thing. It's just... people. And if you make a post, you have to appreciate that people are going to reply and disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:44 PM
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I'm not sure you're making the point you think you are by doubling down the on the idea that women don't claim to not be defensive. I mean, in a way, you're essentially doing it right now with your answers to me.... Insisting somehow that men are different than women in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:42 AM
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You don't think women claim not to be defensive? Again, it's not a male or female thing.... people, in general, especially on the internet, are defensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:39 AM
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It's exactly the same response with women. It's how people are, in general, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:34 AM
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You post stuff like this all the time. It shouldn't be some kind of puzzle where someone needs to speak the exact combination of words in the right order to unlock the code. Just be honest and mature. If someone asks you who or what you're attracted to... just be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:31 AM
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I don't think so. Men generally think that women are not honest about who they're attracted to. They think women say things like "I want a kind, intelligent, caring man who is emotionally intelligent." Which women do want, as long they also find them physically hot or they have status or whatever, and the latter is more important. Men absolutely do not think women have secret attraction to all kinds of men that they're simply repressing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:19 AM
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What you write is so vague and unclear. You think men think women want a partner they're not attracted to? I have no idea how you get that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:35 AM
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That's not the perspective you want. You want to just explain yourself clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:28 AM
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I mean this original post. The real motive of this post is essentially to tell men any problem they face is their own fault and they deserve no empathy because of it. Can we just skip this word games and move to simply showing empathy to each other. Women really were a repressed minority for most of history. But not as much anymore. Their concerns were heard and society changed. Can we do the same with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:53 PM
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If you're nice to men, then why do you think the comment is addressed to you? But more specifically, just recognize men are going through a difficult time and be empathetic. Instead of trying to find every reason under the sun not to be empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:44 PM
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No its not. I can guarantee you 75% of people on this sub, at least, have no idea what that means. Instead of writing whatever you want, and demanding people adjust to you, how about just explain it in a simpler and clearer way? How about using some real evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:37 PM
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"Men have an outgroup bias" is a vague statement. All of your arguments are vague, not based on any real evidences and come off as though you're searching for a reason to justify the conclusion you want. You seem to operate from a framework where men walk into this world with a significant power advantage and that simply is not the case anymore. Just be empathetic towards men. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:27 PM
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I would stop trying to create convoluted reasons in your mind why any problem men face is created by men alone and just be nice to men. It's much simpler.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:19 PM
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You need to give up this idea that men think about relationships and women the way women think about men. They simply don't. Men aren't having get togethers with wives if they don't have a wife. All this social cachet stuff you're very concerned about is not something men often care about. Of course some men will, but this on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:28 AM
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I can tell you men definitely do not compare themselves by girlfriends. Having a robot? That's a completely different story, it likely would be embarrassing for some men at first. But this whole idea of men caring about each other's girlfriends is just not a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:36 PM
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I think you might be exaggerating how popular this trend is, but I can definitely tell you men absolutely could not care less about the social currency of having a wife. If a man couldn't have sex with a woman, for the most part, they would never marry or date. Women can sometimes view the man they date as a form of social status, but men just fundamentally do not care about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:28 PM
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I'm sorry... But no. Are you an overweight woman? Is that why you're writing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:41 AM
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Lol, nah, they just look fat
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 11:53 PM
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Yup. Women have the same or higher BMI than men on average and usually earn less money. But you constantly hear the men aren't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:45 PM
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It's not 1980 anymore. In most western, developed countries, women are the privileged class. The idea of women being a repressed minority is an argument that aged out about 20 years ago. It's very difficult to create an argument to tell a story that women are less advantaged. In the dating market, most women of average attractiveness can simply present themselves on social media or dating apps and have countless options compared to an average man and the men will have to do all the work to pursu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 06:50 PM
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It's not designed for a country like India. It developed in the US and reflects that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:57 AM
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Name it. In a first world country.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:42 AM
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This isn't 1985. There is almost no area of life where women are discriminated against and they have every advantage imaginable compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:36 AM
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Too difficult to understand your point. It's 2026. In most western countries, women live a privileged life compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:11 AM
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I'm talking about Feminism not being about equality and mostly being about getting every advantage for women as possible. It's 2026. In most western countries, women live privileged lives compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:10 AM
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Getting every advantage for women as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:08 AM
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That definitely sounds right, but the fact is there are radical extremist feminists who are definitely not about radical equality. Feminism stopped being about equality about 20 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:14 AM
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You're aware of anti discrimination laws, right? Those.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:24 PM
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Oh actually there are a ton a people and laws stopping people from doing it in many places and areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:18 PM
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I can't think of any only men areas other than locker rooms. Apologies to all the Blue Pill men in this sub whose primary goal in life is to please women at all costs, but some men only spaces would be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:53 PM
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Women, and some men, have tremendously more options than they did before because of social media and dating apps. Additionally, most of the message today is about indivuslism which contradicts with the reality that every relationship has problems and it takes sacrifice to make any relationship work long-term. In many ways... easier than ever to meet people, but much harder to make a relationship work long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:21 PM
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I personally am older and can talk to anyone so I don't perceive that myself. However, what I do see, is that women have a lot of options with dating apps, social media, etc and there is an emphasis on individualism in everything, but definitely relationships. "If this doesn't work for you, move on." "I have my boundaries and they are firm." Etc. But the problem with that idea is that every relationship have major issues and you'll never be able to make a long-term relationship work without majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:08 PM
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I was married for a while, then divorced, then back into long-term relationships. It's honestly much harder now than it was in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:18 PM
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Because dating is very hard for them. That's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:42 AM
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People can do literally anything they want. There are no rules. But it's definitely a mistake to assume that men are more stable can actually go through a "hoe" phase. Most average men... just simply can't ever do that in their life. In that they can't just go around having sex with whomever they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:21 PM
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We're discussing the US and most 1st world countries. None of that exists anymore in 1st world countries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 09:09 PM
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Why? How are women discriminated against?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 08:17 PM
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Do you have an evidence of any of this? And you're making comments about the LA fires with no evidence whatsoever but you live in South Korea?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:39 PM
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Depends on how you define romance, but this is definitely not true. I still dream about a crush from 20 years ago, and it's rarely about sex. I agree, in general, men have a much higher sexual appetite. Something women don't realize and don't want to believe, but saying men are not capable of romantic love is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:30 PM
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OP literally did not write never assist an autistic person. It's so weird you're going to die on this hill but that simply isn't what was written. I guess you don't have control of your ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:47 PM
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Interesting because the heterosexual people having casual sex must have some attraction to each other. So not exactly the best analogy. A better analogy would be men having easy sex with a long-term partner that is now boring and not as exciting to them compared to having sex with whatever model they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:17 AM
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I didn't write anything about reading it. I wrote that you expect people to automatically accept it as truth simply because you wrote it. But you're answers are an over reaction. OP writes that many autistic men are coddled endlessly and therefore unprepared for romance in the real world where it's incredibly difficult for the average man right now, let alone someone with autism. But what you read OP is saying "never assist an autistic person at all", which is simply not what OP wrote. You're ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:14 AM
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You write it because you expect to write whatever you want and demand people accept it as truth, which won't happen. You're responding to yourself with a conversation you're having in your own head. You're not writing statements relative to this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:52 AM
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Have to thoroughly disagree with this one. While I absolutely agree more women than ever are ok going childless, I've known so many women desperately doing anything to have babies in their late 30s. I've never seen the same with men. Perhaps because they don't have the same biological clock, but I still think the desire for children and families lies stronger with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:28 PM
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You've written you're a counselor multiple times, what are you going to write it every time you reply? And no, you're not stating facts. You're stating groupthink, but you don't seem to understand the difference. Who knows what you're even writing about? Who wrote anything about "giving no quarter". You're literally having a conversation with yourself in your own mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:13 PM
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You need to look at this issue in a more mature way. You're overreacting. This is exactly OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:53 PM
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No one said anything about not letting an autistic person experience kindness. They're talking about always bending the rules to accommodate them in ways that won't happen as an adult, thus not preparing them for adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:48 PM
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I don't think OP is saying that. What they're saying is that the coddling when they're young is too much to enable them to succeed later in life in something like romance where no one is going to cut them a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:23 PM
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People think about others differently. They often have some kind of ranking in their minds. A number scale is an analogy for it. That's it. You don't need to think about it as deliberately as you do, and most people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:08 PM
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Incorrect. This study shows women are a much harsher judge of men than men are of women. It's very difficult to have an objective standard. Women certainly use more things like makeup to improve their appearance, while men have less options in that area. But men and women usually have the same BMI in every phase of life, with men's BMI being slightly lower. As far as the average guy outcomes... Dating has changed drastically in the last 15 to 20 years and we won't know how that affects outcomes …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:35 AM
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No men and women cheat at a rate within 5 percentage points of each other. It's roughly the same. And I'm not describing a simple minded man. I realize you may care about all kinds of statuses and situations and this kind of man for this situation and another kind of man for another situation. But what you have to realize is that men simply don't care about any of that. Income? Don't care. Education? Don't care. Status? Don't care. Height? Mostly don't care. What do they care about? Am I physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:47 AM
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Very very few men have side chicks. Like maybe 5%. That's mostly an online fantasy world. The most desirable men absolutely do run through many women and women tend to become obsessed with them and only focus on them because they are the most desirable men. But the vast majority of men could never get a side chick. You're continuing to assume men think like women and they simply don't. They don't think about women or dating to anywhere near as complex a way that women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:39 AM
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Men also put different women in different dating categories. Not really. The most desirable men? Maybe 5 to 10%? Will simply date women for sex or a good time. But the vast majority of men just date women they are interested in for a relationship. You're describing a very dishonest stupid man. You need to accept that men and women are different and men just don't care about all these categories and statuses women care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:01 AM
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I'm married, but it simply is how men think. In fact, that's why OP is asking this question. She inherently understands women have different criteria for different situations, but men don't ask questions about that criteria because they are unaware of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:44 PM
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What does that have to do with not asking the questions you actually want to know the answers to? They are asking the questions they want to. What do women want and like. In your mind, you feel it's much more complex, but they don't know that. Most people do. No. As a man, I can tell you, we really don't. That's the cruxt of this problem. Women approach relationships and the opposite sex in a much more complex way than men do. You guys are describing a very stupid person. It has nothing to do wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:32 PM
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Men don't look at women and relationships as nearly as complex as you think they do. Sometimes they're not looking for a relationship, but mostly, the criteria is always the same to them. You're implying women have all kinds of different criteria for different situations... but you're assuming men know that and would know what to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:44 AM
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Who is more likely to be married or have a partner? Someone unemployed or someone with a high income? Since we all know the answer to that, this whole analysis means nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 09:30 PM
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There is... it's called woman's dating advice or feminism. You basically accept what they want and tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:41 PM
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Since most women are overweight or obese you just excluded women from your own criteria. Men just want women's criteria to be realistic. If you're out of shape... expecting men to be in amazing shape is going to be a long road for you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:50 AM
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This is just way too much to read, but I also thoroughly disagree with the premise. It just comes off as you wanting to justify bisexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:04 AM
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I am not really sure what you're talking about. No one said women older than 35 can't get pregnant. What was said, is that older women have a higher change of baby abnormalities and pregnancy problems. Which is completely true. Here's a link to verify that: Advanced Maternal Age: Pregnancy After 35
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:17 PM
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Yeah, you're just factually incorrect and simply making things up. The older the woman, especially older than 35, the higher chance of genetic abnormality. That's likely true for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:57 PM
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Very difficult to follow the significance of your example.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:14 PM
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I didn't imply they didn't. But that doesn't mean that a woman's chance to have a healthy baby doesn't decrease as they age, it certainly does.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:12 PM
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Huh? Definitely not true. Once women are in their 30s, especially after 35, the chance of abnormality goes up and up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:27 AM
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Yet when people divorce... women initiate divorce at much higher rates. Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:46 AM
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Having wealth is not a human right. If you want to argue someone deserves certain food, housing, material related things... I'm not sure why you wouldn't include a partner in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:18 PM
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It seems in general social media and other influences have moved women to not settle and be unsatisfied with their options. Additionally, the limitless messaging between people and side relationships have also made long-term relationships less stable. It will be interesting to see what the data on relationships and long-term relationships is 10 years from now. The marriage rate has plummeted by something like 30 percentage points in the last 50 years, but people were still in partnered relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:58 PM
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This is totally correct for most of Red Pill. Some of it gets really misogynist, but you are correct for the heart of the issue. There are lot of women and male Lefties who simply refuse to really consider the issue honestly and realize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:55 PM
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The overall marriage rate has plummeted in the US. In 1970 it was over 70% and now it's in the 40s. What you write is true, but my point is when a couple divorces it's almost always likely to be the women who initiates, especially if she has a college degree. The divorce rate has fallen overall too, but by a small percentage, and mostly because drastically less people are marrying now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:04 AM
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I have no idea what your point is. Regardless, relationships just are more unstable. Some people love having more options and moving onto something else more easily when things don't work. Some people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:31 AM
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There's nothing to disagree with, we're saying the same thing. I agree, people now often have more options. But that does make them less stable in the long-run, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:57 PM
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Yeah, describe it however you want, but relationships are just much less stable than they were in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:38 PM
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The reality is the reality. 60 to 70% of divorces are initiated by women and that number jumps to nearly 90% when both people in the couple have a college degree. The divorce rate has ticked down slightly, but mostly because drastically less people are getting married than 50 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:28 PM
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This post does take it too far, but he is correct in that most women who are at least average have their cake and eat it too. The dating world has drastically changed in the last 20 years and I am eager to see what the long-term trends will show as far as relationship stability. Finding someone with aim of building a stable, long-term relationship that won't be abandoned the moment things get difficult or something better comes along seems to be becoming rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:14 PM
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This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:58 AM
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Situationships and side relationships are completely out of control these days. I will be interested to see how it affects data for the success of long-term relationships in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:51 PM
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This is a ridiculous conversation. No one would choose to have less options in dating. So dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:37 PM
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It absolutely is. The chances are not equivalent. That is nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:55 PM
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Very hard to understand your point but it seems like you're implying the person with the cup has it easiest because they don't have to sort through as many options but what you're incorrectly assuming is that there has to be a diamond in there. In real life, people just get what they get. They don't have to get a diamond ever presented to them and when you only have a cup, you have a much lower chance of ever finding a diamond.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:17 PM
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Because it's one of the few subs discussing dating and relationships that won't automatically ban you if you present a man's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:36 PM
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We have to stop this trend of accepting the idea that "too many options" is a huge con for women. Like... I'm sorry you have to spend time to go through your options and decide, but the entire reason dating is a much more pleasant experience for women is because they have so many options. If they didn't, they would be all over this sub screaming how unfair dating is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:21 PM
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Oh yeah, most women do absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:16 PM
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That's a small percentage of men. Mosten don't have those options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:39 PM
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Great... back to "you don't understand my point". Such a fruitful conversation and not a complete waste of everyone's time /s. And in your mind somehow it's not ok to discuss women.in general, but your entire post discussed men.in general. Just trying to point out your hypocrisy and lack of self reflection. But I know... You'll tell me I really don't understand your point. Believe us, we all know you will write that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:11 PM
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Do you think women don't defend women with essentially the same explanation? Because.... they do. Or do you think women aren't human beings and the men are to.blame for everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:02 PM
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Instead of replying 5 times with a paragraph each time, wouldn't a more effective use of your time be to try to explain it? Tell me what I am.getting wrong and what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:21 PM
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Well, it's difficult to have a conversation when you can't explain it well and just always say "that's not my point.'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:41 PM
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Yeah, I think the problem is that you're taking generalizations and conflating them with some kind of universal truth. When people make those points, they're talking about what usually is the case. Every individual situation is different and unique things can happen in any situation. But in general, it is true that attraction will motivate men. It's the same for women and that generalization is cited continually in this sub for things women do to men. Men aren't required to be the amazing partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:03 PM
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Then please explain it. Because it sounds to me as though you're saying you're frustrated with the idea men will put effort in when they're motivated enough by attraction. Which is likely true. But there are so many posts in this sub and others with men complaining about how hard dating is for them and the answer from women is always something along the lines of "well, you can't fake attraction." Not sure how that's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:54 AM
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There are endless posts in this sub talking about "women are attracted to who they're attracted to" and "you can't fake attraction for women". I understand this point, but I don't understand why you think it should be different for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:40 AM
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They're good looking or they feel they're hot for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:56 PM
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Mostly. It's definitely true that for most women if a guy hot enough in their mind comes along they will change things in their life for them. However, the issue is that a lot of women can't attract a guy like this. So for the guys they can land... they may not be as attracted to them... and other factors may come into play to make the relationship work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:34 PM
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First off, flat chested women and women with no ass never have problems attracting men. Obese women? You're right, that's a factor. But you're misunderstanding the point. The point isn't criticizing women for caring about height, she was trying to make the point that height isn't relevant. Which is obviously a significant exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:55 PM
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Not sure what that means, but if you're trying to convince us women don't have a strong preference for tall men.... you're basically making an impossible argument to defend. Notice I'm not saying short men never date or are in relationships, I'm saying tall men have a large advantage in dating, which they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:51 PM
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When women start to regularly date short men and show no preference for height, people will stop talking about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:43 PM
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There are a ton of posts in this sub from women complaining about men who show absolutely no self reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:42 PM
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Oh this is definitely true. I just find it ironic that a woman is complaining about men being boring when most of them watch their shows and maybe go the gym. Finding one that reads or has a real hobby can be difficult, although they usually do read more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 10:11 PM
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Any objective woman would agree. I honestly, myself, don't know a woman who was a victim of domestic violence. I'm sure it has happened and they don't talk about it, but it also happens to men all the time as well and that's usually completely ignored. In the US the stats are roughly 1 in 4 women will experience domestic violence in their lifetime but that has also been trending down. And I'm not suggesting men should get any awards or anything of the sort. But it really is true that most men ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:17 PM
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No one's forcing your hand to connect yourself to men. There are definitely bad apples out there and there is no excuse for domestic violence. But almost any man can physically do whatever they want to any woman. That's just the truth. And the fact that doesn't happen endlessly to every woman is a testament that most men are good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:01 PM
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Most women are incredibly boring. I'm not saying men aren't... but I'm not sure why you think women aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:33 AM
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Yeah, that's homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:19 AM
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I know so so many women who are huge "allies of LGTBQ!" that run anytime they hear a man is bisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:18 AM
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Homophobic women aren't dating bisexual men. Most women, period, don't enjoy dating bisexual men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 11:40 PM
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Super common among women. "LGTBQ Ally!" Won't date bi guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:07 PM
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Adorer and the Adored. It works more smoothly when the person who usually has more options (often the woman), is the Adorer in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 02:18 PM
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You don't have to date or do anything with men. Obviously, for the women who do date men, they do think men bring things to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:06 AM
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Deal breaker for what? Dating? I don't think Red Pill only date virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:46 AM
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Not really. There are a population of very desired men who run through women as you describe. They are probably the worst actors in the dating market today. But the majority of men are simply looking for a long-term relationship just like you. But you seem to just be interested in these most desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:34 AM
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And? Can't two people who want to have sex have sex? Are you saying the man essentially has to pay to deserve sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:15 AM
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If she wants to go, she should pay. If he wants to pay for her... that's nice for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:42 PM
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I definitely don't see men promoting age Gap relationships, I often see women selecting older men because they have more resources and are more mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:13 PM
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For men, dating is like finding water in a desert. For women, it's like deciding on healthy food in a grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 10:04 AM
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Unlikely. Most women, at any age, are in a relationship. That percentage is much lower for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:27 PM
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It's a function of that fact that the ratio of men to women on the app is 5:1 and women usually don't have to do anything, the men pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:27 PM
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You just don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:26 PM
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The fact that when an average woman goes on a dating app she literally has hundreds of men to choose from for a match and an average man might have 3 women? Yeah, that advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:26 PM
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Not even close. They'll get 2 that likely turn into nothing. For a man... It's like finding water in a desert. For a woman, it's like searching for health food in a grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:49 PM
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I used think very much along the feminist lines. I was a man who married and everything worked out for me. Then I divorced, went back into the dating market, and saw how radically different it is than 20 years ago. My goodness does the average guy have it very difficult these days in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:15 PM
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An average woman will get hundreds of likes going on a dating app, while an average man will get 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:13 PM
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As a man, it can be very frustrating posting in most subreddits about dating. You essentially have to defer to women's viewpoint at all times or you will get banned because Reddit is so liberal and womens' viewpoint dominates Liberal culture. I am a Liberal myself, and Liberal culture hasn't caught up to the idea of how hard dating has become for men and what advantages the average woman has vs the average man. Or least it doesn't want to admit it because traditionally Liberal cultures favored t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 04:15 PM
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I'm pretty sure this isn't a surprise, this is what everyone thinks. The very top men who are heavily desired get what they want, outside of that most men barely get any attention whatsoever. Men know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:34 PM
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Just make everything work for yourself! That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:47 AM
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No, I didn't. And I suggest you change your media habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:40 PM
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How the hell is that “alpha”? Because he has sex with whomever he wants. This really isn't that difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:01 PM
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This a pointless conversation where you just keep writing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:51 PM
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That’s like saying if a guy who’s throwing more money at the stripper eventually she’s gonna like him. No, this is about a LOT of money. Lifestyle money that enables the guy to select any woman he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:45 PM
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Hard to follow your reasoning. None of this matters. What matters is does the guy get to select the woman he wants. That's pretty much it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:44 PM
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Because it's a hypothetical Right, but anyone can be cheated on. So I am not sure it's super useful. So pinballing between a bunch of trophy women that aren't attracted to him and are using him for resources? That's all alpha? You can literally make this argument about any guy. It's not useful. The way to think about it is does this guy get to select the woman he wants, or is he settled for?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:00 PM
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Why does she have to cheat? What does that have to with it? But yeah, he is. Because he'll just get another trophy wife after her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:50 PM
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Yeah, but you can make that same argument about any characteristic. Height doesn't really translate into anything tangible in the real world, it's just a characteristic that is preferred. So is a ton of money. It's not Beta Bucks because the guy is not a Beta. The guy has so much money he gets the top women. He selects the women he wants, he's not settled for. That's the most important part. How many times have you seen a model with a random super rich guy who looks average. It's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:40 PM
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Very difficult to understand what you mean here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:20 PM
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Men don't intend to date only the top 20%, they're much more open to dating a range of women than women select with men. You also misunderstand the theory. A man can be an Alpha if the make a TON of money. The "Beta Bucks" concept is more of a stable man. Additionally, it doesn't dictate that women can't be attracted to a "Beta Bucks" guy, it's more about what they have heightened carnal desire for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:13 PM
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People change and do what they want. There are no hard and fast rules. Sometimes people look at things with another perspective after a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:36 PM
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It's better to be the married partner without cheating. Most married partners don't cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:15 AM
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"Boundaries" is useless therapy speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:53 AM
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Reading these posts is ridiculous. "Oh it is easier for women to get sex" and "Men don't have to sift through many choices!" Why is it so difficult for people just accept dating is more difficult for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:00 PM
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I feel like women are saying that, not the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:04 PM
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How can you make a premise that men are as picky as women when in the next sentence you admit they have lower standards? Having lower standards doesn't mean they have no standards or aren't picky about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:44 PM
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Me, personally, I am not advocating anything. I am just explaining the reasoning. Dating apps are almost pointless for a normal man though, that is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 10:09 PM
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Because men outnumber women on dating apps 5:1. A normal woman can have hundreds of likes on a dating app, whereas a normal man can often get just one match a year. People advocate a cold approach because dating apps are exceptionally hard for normal men and the chance of success is low. The reverse is true for a normal woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:19 PM
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My friend you are just proving his point. So much of Leftist culture over the last decade takes the attitude that you can't criticize women about their weight but you just openly do it for men? The irony. And I write this as a liberal myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 11:16 AM
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Men don't care. If they really like you, they don't care what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:46 PM
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So no Perhaps no, you can't stop yourself from overusing the term narcissist? You don't need to say it. We all know from the obsession in your writing. Anyone can look up what the definition of narcissistic personality disorder is. I don't need to present a link. And then you'll take one aspect of the definition and try to fit into your label not recognozing that it's describing something much more extreme than what you're describing above. The reality is... there's a low chance you've even met …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:31 PM
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Perhaps someday you'll mature to the idea that you can talk about how people operate in relationships and breakups without overusing the term "narcissist". You can write about all the same ideas without using such an extreme label that is almost assuredly incorrect because prevalence of the disorder is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:24 PM
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Almost nothing you wrote is particular to narcissistic personality disorder. You simply described most people when they talk about their relationships ending and going from relationship to relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:13 PM
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80 million people (I see you've backed off from 800 million, lol) in the WORLD. So yes, no matter how you fucking want to describe it, it's roughly 1 in 100. Most people don't even have 100 people in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:07 PM
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I don’t think there’s anything else I need to say about this conversation. Lol, are you arguing narcissistic personality disorder isn't exceedingly rare? Lol, good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:00 PM
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Don't need a link for facts. The vast majority of people you meet are not narcissists. Everyone has their own perspectives on their relationship and justify their own actions. That's just how the world works. The people who are really aware of themselves and open to different perspectives make relationships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:09 PM
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Because what you described isn't narcissism. People can be selfish, unaware, and self centered. That doesn't mean they're narcissists. Only about 1 in every hundred people you meet will be a narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:54 PM
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Narcissistic personality disorder encompasses about 1% of the population. Too many people label other people as narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:18 PM
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Right my friend, but the problem is... they're more likely to cheat. People don't complain about relationships with slutty people (men or women) simply because they like to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:28 AM
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It really doesn't matter if you use the word "market" or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:49 PM
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This reasoning is frequently used as a rebuttal, but makes no sense. Who doesn't what a kind partner? Does it really need to be said? You could make the same remark about every positive attribute for a human.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:59 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:50 PM
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Doesn't matter what you call it, you still ruined your marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 11:24 AM
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The last 15 to 20 years have radically changed dating and the romance world. Prior to that, you would have to see someone in person or call them on a phone connected to the wall to get in touch with them. It wasn't easy. Now, anyone can fire off a message without barriers, instantly. In general, women benefit from this new world more than men because men pursue women. So women are now accustomed to getting all kinds of attention in the private univereses on their phones and they love it. They do…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 08:39 PM
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This post is so vague it's difficult to have a specific debate. But the complaint from men is that women say they will want a "good, kind man", which they do. But what they really want is an attractive man, in shape, tall or at least taller than them, who has a good potential career.... If he had all that, then they prefer kind. Men complain that women leave out the most important parts to seem less shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:06 PM
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What if dating and having a family makes them happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 01:44 PM
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How exactly do you suggest a man finds that out without actually trying to find that out? Because you know... approaching a woman gives you that answer and it's a hell of a lot easier, faster, and more effective than spending a month around her trying to decipher subtle clues.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 11:49 AM
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This is just a useless conversation. You just want to argue forever about nothing just to argue. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:14 PM
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No, but we're not talking about what they're not attracted to. We're talking about what they are attracted to. And what they're attracted to is a fit man, tall (or at least taller than them), intelligent, confident, funny, with a promising career/future. But they don't say that. They often say "kindness" because they don't want to seem shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:51 PM
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This is too convoluted to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:19 PM
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As I wrote before, there is nothing you've written that is new or insightful in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:12 PM
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You change what you write every sentence, so of course people don't understand it. When it's that difficult to understand... It's on you to explain it more accurately. But what do you think is more likely to be true... Some random guy on Reddit writes some truth about dating that no one has ever considered before and really is revolutionary, or.... These are just some ideas that are new to him and he doesn't really understand how other people view the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:44 PM
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There is absolutely nothing original about anything you've written that I've read. I think "they're new to you" over the years and you've made the common mistake assuming that this is groundbreaking information for everyone when in fact, you're just describing your own journey and not realizing that other people already understand this and it's in fact taken for granted by most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:18 PM
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I'm not reading again. It's very difficult to understand your ideas. When it's difficult to understand, it's on you for communicating it poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:56 PM
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The gist of you ideas is to really try to get to know someone. There's nothing in red pill that says you can't do that. I am not even a red pill person, I just find people on here are over critical of some of the ideology here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:42 PM
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No, it's the exact opposite of what you propose. You insist it has to be a methodology where you make some shallow, extremely brief approach and then move onto the next woman immediately if it doesn't work. That's a bias you have in your mind. It really doesn't advocate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:10 PM
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I honestly don't know what the point of these posts are. The issue Men have with these things is that women aren't honest when they talk about what they want in a man. Instead of talking about what they actually want, they talk about what they want people to think they prioritize. And your answer seems to be... well of course we really want attractive men who are providers. Are you stupid? No, we're not. But we would prefer if women would be more honest and not cryptic. We could say the same abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:51 PM
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Right, but it doesn't advocate that you can't do that. That's some bias you have in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:27 PM
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All this language is semantics and not relevant. You write this as though Red Pill encourages you to not even try with a woman who feels you're a 9. Which is the opposite of what it advocates. It advocates to engage with as many women as possible to increase your chances of success. In other words, inherent in the philosophy is the idea that some woman will view you as a 10 and some might view you as a 2. But you don't know that unless you engage with them. So engage with as many as possible to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:09 PM
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In a way... but that doesn't mean they see people as fungible assets. It means you're not going to be attractive or work with every woman, so widen your chances of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:05 PM
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No I mean... People don't see others as interchangeable fungible answers. Why do you think they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:38 AM
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Why do you think people see other people that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:17 AM
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Why don't you write 1 to 2 sentences to summarize it for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:52 AM
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No, it's not. Your experience and post is the absolute definition of anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:39 AM
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Anything can happen on an individual basis. But much of the red pill rules apply to the majority. Most women prefer men taller than them. Some don't care. If you find one that doesn't care, that doesn't mean that every woman doesn't care and a very short man's lack of success doesn't have to do with his height.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:52 PM
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Why do you believe it was only the men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:55 PM
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Most of those guys are wasting both of our time and effort. That comment had nothing to do with women getting unwanted attention. Ur missing the first step. They were attracted to him and wanted his attention and reciprocated his attention. You're completely joking right? You think women begin this process? If women had to take ownership of the process 75% of women would never date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:07 PM
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Right, but being "kind" isn't even close to the number 1 criteria for most women. Women want a man who they are attracted to. A man they feel they can provide for them or won't at least they won't have to provide for. When a man meets those criteria... then they care about the man being kind. If they don't meet that criteria, they won't even be considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:04 PM
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Because most guys understand that these women are talking about the general population, and most people aren't obese and jobless. And guys also understand they also dont want an obese bum. No, really, they don't. Many actually think that "being kind" is the number one criteria, and it simply isn't. They're just asking women to be honest. It's not that hard. And let's be honest... women don't want to say those things because they don't want to seem shallow. But it causes confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:46 PM
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Right, dating is just a much easier process for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:34 PM
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Your attitude is simply to refute everything and insist your team, "women", are blameless or justified. Not sure what the point of having a conversation like that is. The point isn't that women or men have standards. They're allowed to. The point is that when ask women what they want... they often don't mention any of these standards and just say "they want someone kind and dedicated." Which is frustrating for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:30 PM
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You guys are confusing wants with requirements This doesn't mean anything. Of course it's all a spectrum and very few people get everything they want. Correction: I think what men get frustrated with is the fact that women THEY DESIRE obviously desire some materialistic things like looks and money for relationships. No, so many girls have standards about height, obesity, income, etc and they consider those factors first when dating. If someone is super short or obese or has no career, etc, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:13 PM
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There are a lot of inconsistencies in this post. But in general, I agree women care less about morals and good behavior for sex. But in relationships.... they want the morals and kindness... with someone who is hot and can provide. They just want it all in relationships. I think what men get frustrated with is the fact that women obviously desire some materialistic things like looks and money for relationships but they often don't mention those things when in reality they are the most important …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 04:56 PM
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And the plain women will get much more attentive n than the average man ever will.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:59 PM
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Very few women ever ask a man out. Yet, most women date and enter into relationships. How? They get attention from men, which is more attention than the average man will ever get in his life. Women just take this for granted and complain they don't get attention from the top men they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:57 PM
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They never said it was mind blowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:18 AM
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Right. No one is saying people can't do whatever they want. They're complaining about women having too high standards and nothing working out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:37 PM
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Not sure what the point is. Women can do whatever they want. But what they can't do is have very high standards and then have their complaints be taken seriously if nothing works out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:32 PM
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Women barely care. They kind of.. maybe care... if it's in a guy they're already attracted to. But physically attracting them and being nice to them specifically is 95% of the attraction for women. Women tend to go on and on about Blue Pill stuff when they just left a failed relationship and are looking for qualities to sustain a relationship, but it usually doesn't last, they usually end up prioritizing the physically attractive men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 11:35 AM
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Most of the people commenting have been married or are married. Being married doesn't give you any advanced expertise. It just means you're a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:18 PM
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If I say the sky is blue, you'll spend all day arguing about it. Having a conversation with you is truly a waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:17 PM
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Thinking in black and white is literally a childish mentality Yeah, no one's thinking in black and white. We're just not being children who jump to find reasons to invalidate an entire statistic like you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:27 PM
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Seriously, no one needs a lecture from you on how you can interpret statistics in various ways. Give us a break and spare us your arrogance. No, statistics do mean a lot. If you cite the murder rate in a city... of course that doesn't tell you why or how those murders are happening, but a high murder rate certainly is meaningful, no matter the cause. You need to become an adult, stop lecturing people, and accept the statistic. Stop creating some imaginary argument about men fighting for kids tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:52 PM
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Yeah, the problem with that line of thinking is that most people have very little insight into relationships or emotional intelligence. Things are going to go wrong in every relationship, that's a given. So it can be hard to know if this is something you should destroy a family over or try to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:41 PM
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Yeah, I don't know in the first year, but about 68% eventually remarry. For women, it's about 64%.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:40 PM
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We're not discussing men fighting for custody. Why do feel you need to bring this up? Can you just stick to the topic. Deflecting. I don't know the data on men fighting for custody. And if you say that's the number... ok. We're not discussing that. Why are you bringing that up? We know why. Because it's not an objective conversation about data. It's you defending your team.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:37 PM
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No, the statistics aren't meaningless. They show that women chose to leave marriages at very high rates compared to men. Now do you want to say they have reason to leave? They might, but we don't know. But we do know they choose to leave. You need to accept that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:33 PM
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Right, the men rarely leave, or at least compared to women. The women choose to give up and leave, in general. Of course every case is it's own situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:21 PM
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Lol, have you? Why do you decide the men are at fault? You have no evidence and don't know a thing. You're simply exposing your bias. I'm not making grand inferences here, I'm just stating facts. You don't seem to have the maturity to handle the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:20 PM
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Right, but that's not what happens. Those numbers represent women choosing to leave. 15% of the time men leave, in general. When they're both college educated, the men essentially never leave. It's like 5% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:19 PM
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60 to 70% of divorces are initiated by women now, and if both partners have a college degree, that number is 90%.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:23 PM
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They already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:18 PM
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You can write whatever you want, but it doesn't mean it has any validity to it. You can come up with whatever reason you want to attack OP. But that's not what we're discussing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:23 PM
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Right, women choose to leave marriages at a very high rate. For college educated couples, if they divorce, 90% of the time, the woman will initiate the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:21 PM
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It's deflecting because you're avoiding discussing the actual topic and twisting the argument as a way to attack men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:24 AM
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Yeah there's no fear. It's just objectively true that women leave relationships at a much higher rate than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:24 PM
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Deflecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:50 PM
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This actually isn't correct. Lesbians divorce at a lower rate than heterosexual couples. It's just that divorce rates between gay men is VERY low compared to heterosexual couples, so most divorces among same sex couples are from lesbian marriages. But their rate is lower than heterosexual couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:45 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:59 PM
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Sounds like a single Mother trying to justify why men she dates should step up to act like the Father.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:54 PM
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News alert guys.... Because all humans are genetically very very similar, you shouldn't care if it's actually your child or not! Also.... what you really care about is infidelity, you don't really care that you would be taking care of a child that is not yours. Who knew??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:50 PM
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Shocking that a woman would write a post biased towards a woman's perspective and blaming men. We have truly never seen that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:41 PM
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Lol... as I wrote.... anyone replying with "typical male reaction" isn't going to be taken seriously by educated people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:25 PM
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The moment you reply with "typical male reaction".... most educated people aren't going to take you seriously. You should stop letting yourself get so animated about the gender wars and simply look at the science and facts. Stop looking at the situation like you're rooting for a team.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:43 PM
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"Women have larger in group bias but that doesn't matter, because men have in group bias." If that attitude doesn't describe the current feminist movement... I don't know what does. Faced with scientific evidence and conclude it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:33 PM
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These are all the same arguments that women have been saying for the last 50 years. Men really don't care anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 12:31 PM
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You should write more clearly, it's difficult to understand what you mean. Math? 3x? Are you objecting to the idea that the average woman has many many more sexual partners than the average man? Because if you are.... you are completely out of the loop my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:18 PM
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Yeah, we living in a world where the normal woman has had often three times or more the amount of sexual partners as the normal man. It's just part of life now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:11 PM
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Yeah, you don't live in the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:34 PM
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I don't understand what you're referencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 02:23 PM
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You're not understanding the situation. You're correct in that women have a lot of options and men don't. But that's not what we're discussing. We're discussing how things are perceived in modern culture and it's definitely transitioned into a situation where female infidelity is justified much more than it ever was in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:23 PM
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It's hard to understand what you're discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:10 PM
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You're living in the past and unaware of modern online culture trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:17 AM
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Those are ideas from like 30 years ago. Now the popular opinions justify women cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 01:07 AM
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They don't prefer those things. They just prefer to write them on the internet to feel better about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 01:18 AM
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Ask out a man you like and try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 12:58 AM
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You should definitely be able to argue with women. If you're told you can't, you're surrounding yourself with the wrong women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:06 PM
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You're clueless. Let me guess... extreme feminist? You're too lost in your own selfishness to see the real truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:28 PM
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Honestly, you're just fucking crazy. Seriously. As a man.... let me tell you... for the vast majority of men.... they could care less about degrading and dominating women. They just like fucking, like most people like eating a pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:54 PM
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to read that guys here have admitted that they want validation through sex to feel like they're own the same level as Chad You don't understand what you're writing. Do men sometimes brag to each other about having sex? Yes. Is that the primary reason they are seeking out sex? No. People need transportation, so they get cars. Do people sometimes brag about their car? Of course. Is that the primary reason they have a car? No. But please.... as a woman who is not a man, tell us what men really thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:52 PM
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You're living in fantasy. Validation from who or what? Women? Other men? Trust me, the vast majority f men are seeking out sex.... because they really love fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:42 PM
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This idea of men having sex for validation This comes from your ridiculousness and arrogance insisting that it has to be something more complex than the simpler explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:29 PM
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If it was just about the physical pleasure, masturbation with a good flashlight would be enough It's so nice to hear from a woman why men like sex and tell a man that he has no idea what he's talking about, while contradicting her prior answers in the process (sarcasm). Yes, men do go to prostitutes often. And they go to strip clubs... why do you think those things even exist? Because women aren't going to them at the same rate. Trust me... and I am saying this as a man.... men really do have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 05:09 PM
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No idea what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:54 PM
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No, they absolutely do not have sex for validation. You make the fundamental mistake that many women similar to you make.... assuming men feel and desire sex in the same way you do. They don't. The average man has a much higher sex drive than the average woman. Why does someone eat a cheeseburger? Because they want validation? Or they desire the taste the cheeseburger gives them. Obviously the latter. Men think about sex in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:50 PM
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Not sure what you mean? You posted here for discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:45 PM
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That you hate men? Agree, that is a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:44 PM
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Keep pivoting to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 04:42 PM
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I am saying men claim they want relationship AND sex, but actually they want just sex and tolerate the relationship because that’s the only way they can get sex Men could just go to prostitutes if what you say is true. You just seem to hate men and have an extremely immature and unsophisticated view of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 03:55 PM
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I honestly believe that men think if a woman fucks them They don't, give us a break. Men have a much higher sex drive. They just do. Women don't want to accept that, but it is the truth. Which is why men are willing to both have meaningless sex and feel it's an integral part of a real romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 03:42 PM
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You don't have to have it.... do what you want. Men don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 03:39 PM
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Right, but they don't care about your opinion either. Most sexless relationships fail. That just is the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 03:36 PM
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What is your allergy to the importance of sex? Why do you hate sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:56 PM
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Perhaps people are lonely and sexually frustrated? But usually, there is a level of intimacy with sexual relationships that are not achieved with other relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:48 PM
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Because it’s very clear that you guys just see relationships as exclusive fuck buddies You have a simplistic view of relationships. You're allowed to think the non sexual parts of a relationship and the sexual parts are important. Because they both are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:46 PM
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Your entire post seems to be motivated to invalidate the importance of sex. But if someone brings up sex to talk about the importance of it.... you use that as point of contention to assert that all men want to talk about is sex. Seems like a useless conversation, no? If you want to invalidate the importance of sex, you have to let people actually discuss the topic. Sitting here and declaring "LOVE is all that matters" is a pretty naive statement not based on real world experience, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:39 PM
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Sex seems to be meaningless to you. That's fine. But you have to understand, to most of the world, it's overwhelmingly important. You can't simply declare the rest of the world wrong because of your personal preference. But the point stands that most sexless romantic relationships eventually fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:23 PM
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Right, I don't believe you're correct. Most sexless relationships eventually fail unless people age out of physical intimacy together. But you're welcome to believe what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:07 PM
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You can live however way you want... you don't have to justify it to anyone. But physical intimacy is a big deal, especially to men, and yes, it usually is accompanied by a closeness that can be unavailable otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 01:55 PM
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Come on, you're being ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:56 PM
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Why are you commenting on this post and refuting OP? According to you, it's fine for them to be judgemental.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:50 PM
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Then what are you complaining about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:46 PM
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Ok, then don't complain about it. If you can judge them, then other people can judge you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:57 PM
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Not sure I follow any of your points. You're allowed say black and white people intermarrying is ok. But if you're unwilling to marry or date a black person because of social beliefs... well, a lot of people would call you racist. And even if it's not racist, it's something that aint great.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:36 PM
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Right. So it's ok for a man not to want a bisexual wife, a wife with a lot of former sexual partners, or a wife that doesn't believe in doing all the housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:34 PM
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while i personally have no issues with that, believing that someone has a right to live as they wish and wanting that for myself is two different matters. It's actually very male way to think, like if it's not useful to you, then it shouldn't be. Nah, it's just pretty hypocritical. It's like America pre-civil rights in the 1960s. "Separate but equal". We believe African Americans should have equal rights... we just don't want those rights to integrate with ours.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:57 PM
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This is all true. I've encountered so so many woman who are pro LGBTQ but would never date a bisexual man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:54 PM
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No, but women complain about those things all the time, like you are now, so why is your team the only one that gets to complain?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:15 PM
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Which is what exact point?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:16 PM
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I have, you just argue to argue. Not intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:14 PM
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Who knows what you're saying. It changes based on your response. On one hand you say it can't be joking, and then on another hand you say men don't go around pushing sex with minors. So what are you saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 03:00 PM
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I know that men don't going around pushing sex with minors. But you seem to ignore that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:14 PM
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I'm not ridiculous like you seem to be acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:05 PM
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Right, because only women are against adults having sex with children Those people are joking and not taking it seriously. You may not agree with them, and that's fine. But you're trying purport this idea that most men support sex with children and you're being dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:51 PM
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You seem like a woman the way you are writing this. Yes, men naturally just desire sex a lot. I'm not sure you're going to win any arguments trying to convince people men don't naturally love sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:12 PM
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Yes, "we" are. You may be different, but most men just naturally desire sex a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:43 AM
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You seem like you're close to a situation where a woman chose a man because he plays in a band and it ultimately didn't work out. Just a wild guess. And yes, the novelty of a lot of things eventually wears off.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:32 PM
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Educated adults don't communicate in memes and gifs my friend. They articulate their point in words.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:10 PM
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Are you mad? I'm not. It's just difficult to understand someone's point when they lack basic communication skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:00 PM
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Communicating like an uneducated child.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:37 PM
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Bud, you communicate and understand deep concepts like you're a 13 year old boy. Give us a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:16 PM
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The big difference is that you're doing it for another person that you are trying to impress. Would anyone say making a presentation at work is easy? Most people wouldn't say that. But why not according to your reasoning? You're just talking about the stuff you know and do everyday? If it were so easy... men wouldn't be expected to do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:02 PM
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Posting this stuff isn't going to help you. If you want to communicate... clearly write what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:01 PM
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Vague words don't mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:52 PM
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Have a little more empathy for men might take you a lot further.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:52 PM
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So you're saying you don't do it for dates. Why don't you try? Regardless, you don't need to understand it. Just know men aren't really that interested in women other than for romance. So if there is not going to be romance, why do all that work? It's not that complicated. For some reason you think men should do all this for women just because you exist, even though you don't think you should do it for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:44 PM
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Who knows what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:41 PM
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Until you do it all the time, it's hard to really understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:09 PM
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Most women expect men to pay and plan everything. It's not easy. And most men wouldn't be friends with most women if there was no chance of romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:54 PM
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that society and female nature is against you and lying to/exploiting you Nope, you totally misunderstand it. The "truth" that it's referring to is that fact that women may say they want a kind, good natured guy and they do... but what they don't tell you is they want a kind, good natured guy who is very attractive and has his shit together. So Red Pill tells you to ignore all the false advice women give out and concentrate on the things OP wrote above.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:46 PM
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Who knows what that means, but what he wrote above is exactly what RP started out as.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:25 PM
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It's exactly RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:24 PM
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Just what we need, another "Misandry doesn't exist" post. How imaginative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 02:14 AM
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You're going to need to be a lot more specific than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:34 AM
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They do have their own bank accounts now, you're right. Bank accounts of men available to them on dating apps and social media with constant attention that enables them to be more selective than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:04 PM
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Definitely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:25 AM
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Have you tried the apps? Definitely easier if you're a very good looking man. If you're an average man? Not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:15 AM
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This guy is ridiculously out of touch. Dating has never been harder for the average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:07 AM
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It's not a feminist psy-op, it's just a lot of work they don't won't to always do if it's not going to be fruitful and wonder why there can't be a more equal solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:35 PM
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Dude, your penis is bigger than about 99% of other men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:33 PM
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What is a bicentennial man?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:50 PM
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Lolol, you care waaaaay too much about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:48 PM
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No, it's less than 50 now, and 10 to 15 points lower for first time marriages. It's been falling slightly for decades. But the percentage of people marrying has fallen at a faster rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:57 PM
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Divorce rates are actually declining in the US. But less people get married. Mostly though, birth rates decline in developed nations because women have more options than they did in the past. They are prioritizing education and career, but because they only have a finite window to have children, it leaves less opportunity and time to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:18 PM
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I mean.... they can complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 12:58 AM
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It would give women more empathy towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 07:00 PM
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Not sure anyone is disagreeing with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:21 PM
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This is dead on accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:06 AM
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No, it wouldn't. Most women have a lot of options and are naturally desiring the top the selection pool. If most men suddenly met the standard, the standard they desire would raise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:41 AM
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I think it's not necessarily revenge but more advice to avoid single Moms if possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:45 PM
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No idea what you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:55 PM
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Feminists definitely don't want women treated as equals. That was feminism of 20 years ago. Feminism of today is just about convoluted arguments designed to give women every advantage and thing they want. It blew past equality as a goal a while ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:50 PM
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You don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:08 PM
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Which part did you want me to answer? If you have a group men - one is in good shape, with good careers, tall vs another which is short, bad, fat, with no job.... which group will be more successful with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:56 PM
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It's literally a defined term on this debate sub. The blue pill is people who "agree with society's mainstream view". Debate is pointless if everyone can just make up whatever fantasy definition they want and use it to debate Yes, it's almost like people can actually have their own unique beliefs! Lol. Yes, you can believe whatever you want, but all the people who don't agree with you aren't going to change their mind simply because you say so my friend. You're arguing in a sub that has all thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:55 PM
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Of course you don't answer, because you have no comeback.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:49 PM
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I mean… the more classical definition for BP is just what normies do - ie, romanticism, friendliness, cooperation No, that's a common misinterpretation. You can do that in Rep Pill too. ?? That’s exactly what I said: “Anyone who doesn’t take the Red Pill is “choosing to live in ignorance.” You're right, I looked over the word "doesn't". You’re agreeing that anyone who isn’t RP is BP. Lol, no, please don't tell me what I think. I am neither Blue Pill or Red Pill. I don’t think RP is inherently mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:34 PM
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Sigh. No, dude. The Pills are a Matrix reference - You take the Red Pill to gain “uncomfortable knowledge”, or you take the Blue Pill to reman in “comfortable ignorance You've demonstrated from this conversation you have a very poor knowledge of this subject, which is a typical Blue Pill response. Blue Pill men are often married, liberal men who mostly had things work out for them a decade or decades ago and are really not aware of how these things have changed. Anyone who doesn’t take the Red P…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:42 PM
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?? Bluepill is just anything that’s not red pill Not even close. There are so many varieties of this. Just look at the labels available on this sub. It has nothing to do with feminism. It's completely controlled by feminism, but most of these people just don't know it because they don't have a balanced perspective on these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:30 PM
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Both Blue Pill and Red Pill seem to give their own side the benefit of the doubt. Red Pill, unfortunately, creeps into misogyny but a lot of the advice to attract women is spot on. There's nothing in Red Pill to say you can't go on fun dates about shared interests. You have an exaggerated view of what it is. Blue Pill is just doing whatever feminists want. And I write this as a life long liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:15 PM
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They got married 20 years ago and think nothing has changed, haha. Or they're simply exceedingly good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:13 PM
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You don't say anything. I asked you what your version of Blue Pill is and you don't answer. You just argue about things you don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:27 AM
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You flatly just don't understand any of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:59 AM
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Like did you think it was a big revelation that women find attractive men attractive? Lol, you're labeled as Blue Pill, my friend, but the only things you declare yourself as believing as Red Pill ideas. Why don't you tell us what you believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:43 AM
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Black pill, red pill, magenta pill, candy cane pill, they all believe 95% of the same bullshit. I would refrain from conversations where you admittedly have no idea what you're talking about. Like did you think it was a big revelation that women find attractive men attractive? My friend, that's Red Pill. That women find certain characteristics attractive and select for them when they have a lot of options, which average women usually do. The thing is women will tell you they don't. They'll say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:04 PM
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No, you clearly don't understand it. You're also conflating black pill with red pill. Your understanding of red pill seems to be "Women bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 08:35 PM
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Lol, word games aren't going to help you. I'm directly responding to your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 08:10 PM
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Lol, what are you? 12? So much of what you write is just blatantly false or based on anecdotal assumptions. It just factually is true that women prefer the top 20% of men by certain characteristics online and dating apps. In fact, it's probably less than that. It's been shown over and over. Now does that mean that the bottom 80% of men can never have a relationship? No, but it means they will have tremendously less opportunity and have to adapt their attitudes and dating behavior to their option…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 08:04 PM
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Unfortunately, no, your answers are not exactly grounded in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:55 PM
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You need to touch grass and experience reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 04:23 PM
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You're asking several different questions. But why does the man have to pay? Can't it be split evenly? I personally pay, but I understand if some men don't want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:11 PM
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What??
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:20 AM
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There is literally no chance he would get thousands of matches. Getting a match would be difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 05:29 PM
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Dating is certainly complex and involves many quantifiable and non quantifiable factors like social skills, confidence, humor, ability to deal with conflict, etc. Since dating has come easy to you, I am honestly not sure that you are in the best position to give advice because whatever dating requires... you were born with it. You never had to struggle to understand what you were doing right or wrong, and experiment. And honestly, I know plenty of women who would not prefer the 6'6 guy because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:57 PM
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Who really cares. Debates about handling dating issues and attraction are interesting. These posts trying to assert one sex is better than the other are meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:36 PM
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You were in a 13-year relationship with the wrong type of guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:16 PM
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You're pretty lost in bias when you think it's fine for a woman to end a pregnancy if she desires but men shouldn't have the same right to walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:06 PM
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I mean... it depends on if you are a man and want to attract a woman that you're attracted to. If you want that? Listen to a lot of what Red Pills says because it actually is what women are attracted to, whether they admit it on Reddit or not. Not a lot of hope with Blue Pill unless you are basically already attracting a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:13 PM
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It's difficult on Reddit. It's a very woman focused place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/25 01:38 PM
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Most people don't even know the term misandry exists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/25 11:55 AM
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Many women will answer yes, but the reality in the real world when it comes down to it, many, many women won't. They view it as a stigma and non-masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 02:19 AM
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Lolololol.... What are you even saying? You're in a relationship and you think it's fine for someone to have no boundaries on a relationship with someone else who has romantic feelings for them? God help us all having people like you walking around. In trying to mock me you just demonstrated how ridiculous you're thinking is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 06:38 PM
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Sure you do. You don't want this hypothetical woman to have male friends What is the point of the conversation? I tell you point blank, no that is not the case, we're talking about men and women putting reasonable boundaries of friends of the opposite sex and you come back and say "No, you really think this." What's the result of this? Am I going to say... "oh you're right, I was really lying when I was telling you point blank what my point is." I'm not, but the arrogance of red pill ideology th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:58 PM
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And, again, you are basing your argument on the premise that the only reason this guy's girlfriend hasn't left him is because she doesn't have anyone else lined up. No idea what you're talking about. You have too many delusions and assumptions in your mind. Relationships end for a lot of reasons, I never wrote otherwise. Uhhh no it doesn't. Platonic doesn't mean platonic forever. You can absolutely be friends with someone and date them later. Funny. Talk to you later, this conversation is useles…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:45 PM
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"this hypothetical woman moved on quickly after a relationship and that's bad No, that's not the argument. Most of the Blue Pill theory asserts that all of these friends are essentially totally platonic, there should be no boundaries, and anyone who asserts otherwise is immature. But since people move on quickly to there friends, that proves the friendship wasn't simply platonic. It proves that these relationships are actually more complicated that Blue Pill theory proposes and require boundarie…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:43 PM
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Sorry, who is being simplistic here? You are. I am the one trying to make a point that people shouldn't immediately leave a marriage because they encounter a period of unhappiness. Before this reply, you were advocating the opposite. I honestly don't know what you believe, but you simply kept saying "people don't leave happy marriages". Except now you're trying to say "well uh um of course male friends are ok" Just a total fabrication and lie. No one said opposite sex people can't be friends. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:04 PM
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People leave happy relationships? Again, ignoring the actual point and too simplistic. Relationships have ups and downs. Leaving a relationship because you're not happy at one point isn't necessarily what's best for ones life, often. I didn't misrepresent them at all. In fact, I quoted them directly, just as I am now Oh you definitely didn't quote them directly, but you do misrepresent it but leaving out key points and other parts of the argument. And now you're moving the goalposts (again) to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:10 PM
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Most of your answers are the standard Blue Pill answers and exactly what OP describes. "People don't leave happy relationships", "You can stop your partner from cheating", etc. To anyone who is really honest and has experience with relationships... they know that's just not how the world works. They know that's just not how relationships really work. They're simplistic answers designed to support the idea that people should essentially have pseudo-emotional affairs on the side. Additionally, peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:23 PM
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I have nothing to do with red pill, I'm just a man who realized most of blue pill is complete immaturity designed for the advantage of women. It's a lot of people who think of themselves as more sophisticated, when in fact it's likely the opposite. If you really believe all those "orbiters" who genuinely just want friendship and would never even entertain any other type of relationship, you're just living in a delusion my friend. In fact, you're living in denial because no doubt if you're a pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 04:10 AM
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It's not misleading at all. 20% is 50% greater than 13%. ok. And the limits, boundaries, and rules OP is pushing for (and which you evidently support) is no male friends because they're just a "roster" of "orbiters who are waiting for their shot." Yeah, that's not what he wrote at all. Again, you're being intentionally misleading. He just simply did not say a woman is supposed to have no male friends. It's difficult to believe you're actually a man, since you advocate against the male perspectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:12 AM
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20% is 7 percentage points greater than 13% You're talking about a relative increase, which is misleading. People usually use absolute changes if they are being honest. For example, if there is a 1% risk of getting a side effect from one medication, and a 2% risk from another medication, you could say the original medication has 50% less risk, but it's misleading. Then by this logic a bisexual person would have no friends while in a relationship. Again, you're intentionally being misleading. At …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:22 PM
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5 percentage points does not preclude it being 50% more common. The numbers I'm referencing found a difference of 7% percentage points, but men are still 50% more likely to cheat No, that's not how stats work. Simply having an emotion does not automatically mean it is reasonable or fair to expect someone else to accommodate it. True, but if you're willing to give up on a relationship to continue an affectionate friendship with someone who is a potential sexual partner, then marriage or monogamy …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:58 PM
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Studies have also found that men are 50% more likely to cheat than women, yet men clearly expect women to deal with those odds. They haven't. Recent studies have shown men and women cheat roughly similar amounts, or within 5 percentage points of each other. Regardless, it really doesn't matter who cheats more. Sure, you can talk through your insecurities with your partner, but expecting her to modify her behavior to accommodate your jealousy is not reasonable. Absolutely not. The reason you chos…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:16 PM
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Maybe if men had stronger friendships with other men, they wouldn't see a deep friendship with a woman as an automatic romantic thing since they've got many deep friendships? Men and women approach each other differently. Most men, no matter what they tell you, have thought about having a sexual encounter with the vast majority of women they've met or know in their life. Does that mean they are actively trying to pursue that? No. But it does mean if there were absolutely no consequences at all m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:08 PM
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Well, I would defer to OP's comment because he describes the situation in detail. But I'll add further explanation. Men and women can be friends, that is true. But studies have shown the chances of romantic feelings existing between two friends who are possible romantic partners is high. Additionally, the "insecure obsessed" crowd misses that people are not robots. They are human beings who can't always control their emotions. So sure, someone may want to be loyal in their relationship, but main…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:51 PM
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I am not sure what to say. All you are writing is that something is insecure with little thought out reasoning. This is exactly what OP described and leads to the consequences OP described. You don't counter any of that in detail. You basically just say it's insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:38 PM
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I don't really follow. You seemed to basically go down the "insecure" label with little explanation, which is exactly the phenomenon OP is describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:32 PM
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This response is exactly what OP described.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:09 PM
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This is 100% accurate. I would say every relationship is different with different power dynamics. If it's a relationship where the woman desires the man more than vice versa, this dynamic could not exist or even be reversed. But women themselves have been completely conditioned to believe this. It's a shame, because it prevents many of them from having successful relationships, or at least forces them to go through cycles of having relationships fall apart until they understand this type of thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 06:57 PM
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Depends on which men, most men I know don't think like this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:04 AM
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Yeah, I just don't follow your arguments. I am referring to OP's post.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:06 PM
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How about the entire post? When a man complains about a lack of sex, it is never about the sex itself. OP never mentions that sex and dating is easy for women like you seem to be concentrated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:51 PM
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Yeah, that's not what this post is about. It's about how men handle and think about sex when they fail getting what they want. I personally disagree with OP. I know plenty of men who just don't give a shit and don't look at like it's some kind of failure of their manhood. They may desire women, but they don't look at failing as though they are less of a man like OP is trying to portray here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:33 PM
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I think both men and women lament not having success with the opposite sex (or same sex) when they have desire to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 04:58 PM
0

It absolutely is the case. Reading a lot of your answers, I feel like you're missing some of the bigger picture in dating. Doing well in school and getting a good job does not mean you are a smooth talker or have an attractive personality to women. You're assuming that you need to be socially attractive to succeed in school or wherever and that is absolutely not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:30 PM
4

That's because they're more desirable to the women they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:24 AM
0

This is really long and difficult to read. But doubling down on the premise that improving yourself is not helpful in dating.... is not exactly the most common sense advice. Also, this: something most of the general male population does with ease since their teenage years without ever spending a single thought on 'self-improvement' is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:09 PM
1

Because it won't do you any good. You're too engrossed in it based on that post. It's just fostering anger in you, and at the same time you seem to be unaware of all the problems with women. Focusing on this is a waste of time for your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:06 PM
1

I didn't write anything about myself. I wrote it about your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:55 PM
2

I would stop worrying about this. There is a lot of truth in what you wrote, but a lot of could be applied to women as well. Stop worrying about the manosphere, feminism, social media, influencers, etc. Just find a good person to spend your time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:49 PM
1

Feminism jumped the shark a while ago. It's just the inverse of the extreme men's rights movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/25 03:53 AM
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No, this is just not the case. If a woman is going around having frequent sex with whomever, yes she will get a lot of rejection after the fact if she wants a relationship. However, women who are more deliberate in who they choose are not rejected that often. They will tell you they are because they aren't used to rejection at the rate an average man receives. An average man who plays the game often can get rejected 5 times in a row and be completely used to it, whereas an average woman can be r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 10:51 PM
24

This is most people. Even the most educated people have biases, sometimes extreme biases. Example: The Supreme Court.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 01:13 PM
62

I talk to people online and their explanation for why young men don't vote Democratic is because they're bigots. I just shake my head and think about how we deserve to lose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 12:11 PM
0

Not sure I completely understand your point, but no, women are just status oriented people much more than men. It's naturally who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:41 AM
1

Most times I find that it's just a case of the woman wanting to find a man who earns more or is on the same level because they feel that is the social norm and women are much more attuned to norms and status. Are there men who may have a problem with this? Likely. Are there tons of men who wouldn't have a problem with this? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:40 PM
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People exaggerate on the internet. Both men and women. They write or say what they feel would look good or is the right thing, but don't necessarily follow those ideals in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:06 PM
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With teenagers or people in their early 20s... they're simply not mature enough to have a relationship with a person near 30 or older. That older person will be able to manipulate the relationship and them in most cases. But, it's legal, and people can do whatever they want to do at the end of the day. Once both people are near or older than 30, it doesn't matter much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:58 PM
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It happens to both sexes. And yes, women have a biological clock, they stop ovulating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 08:47 PM
1

Still don't get it. They're divorcing, what are they going to say their husband is amazing? Everybody has a story and convinces themselves they're right. Of course there's always another side to the story too, that they're not going to tell you. Regardless, that's not the point. The point is women leave, regardless of the reason, and men have to be aware of that when they marry. "Til death do us part" is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:45 AM
1

That's not how stats work. You can't pick out certain demographics and tell us it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:57 PM
1

Not sure I understand your reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:52 PM
1

They do, or at least within 5 percentage points of each other depending on the circumstance. It's been looked at over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:51 PM
1

Lol. "It's women in their early 20s, therefore it really doesn't count."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:49 PM
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But you said women were bad for divorcing No, I definitely never wrote that. You're either referring to someone else or you created an entire scenario in your mind. But your reaction is very typical on these subs among women. On one hand they want to encourage women to leave a bad marriage, or if they're unhappy, or if they simply want something better. Which is absolutely their right. But then when you point out that women leave at very high rates and that in turn discourages men from marriage,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 07:19 PM
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What you want is a situation where women do whatever they want whenever. If the marriage is not working? Leave for a better situation. If the man cheats? Leave. If you're not happy? Leave. You absolutely can have that opinion. But you can't have that opinion and then insist women don't leave marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 06:49 PM
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Yeah, you have kinds of thoughts and assumptions in your mind. All I did was just state a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 06:04 PM
1

Yeah. Women leave marriages at a much higher rate than women, which is what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:33 PM
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Whatever you want to say about it. It's a big thing among men now. Men know women leave marriages. It's part of the greater hesitancy for men to marry now compared to the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:03 PM
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What's the point of the question? If a man cheats and a woman leaves, she leaves. If a man doesn't cheat and a woman leaves, she leaves? If men and women cheat at roughly the same rate, what point are you trying to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 04:57 PM
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Men and women cheat at roughly the same rate, or at least within 5 percentage points. In the past men cheated more, but now women tend to cheat more in recent studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 04:51 PM
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No, they don't. I'm sorry, but reality is reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:14 PM
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Right, use whatever word you want, but women end marriages at an astronomically higher rate than men. That just is the truth. Men are aware of that now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:09 PM
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Women leave marriages. About 70% of all divorces are initiated by women, 15% by men, and 15% are truly mutual. Not making a comment on why they do it or if it's justified, but most divorces are initiated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:20 PM
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This is true, but I also don't think it's a widely accepted assumption that autistic men would make great fathers. In fact, the widely accepted assumption might be the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:25 PM
1

I'm not sure I understand YOUR point. Your point is that you just want to argue forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:15 AM
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Any particular reason you are so set on acting like women, or myself, cannot understand the differences in a man? I'm not sure what you want me to say? You're the one supporting the idea the reason men want to have sex with a lot of women is some complex social phenomenon where their really seeking validation from other men or women. And as a man, I am telling you that doesn't happen. They're doing it because they really enjoy having sex. And men have a higher sex drive than women. This isn't ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:52 PM
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I don't think there's been a time in history where one partner didn't care about what the other partner in a relationship looked like, on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:05 PM
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I said the desire for sex doesn't have to be with a new random woman. You said, but for at least some men it does because man brain and women don't go through that as often. Men enjoy having sex. Men who get married usually don't cheat. Does that mean that they wouldn't want to have sex with more women if there were absolutely no strings attached? Is they somehow could magically have sex and "not be cheating"? No, it doesn't. But they are committed to marriage, that is why they don't pursue sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:02 PM
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Is it a higher sex drive in general or a higher sex drive for random new women? You've said both, but they aren't the same thing. No, I haven't. I've said men have a higher sex drive than women. You're making the assumption that married men behave the same as single men, but they don't. Again, you make too many leaps in logic to have a coherent conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:53 PM
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But men definitely seem concerned they'll still be the ones wanting it more Right, because men have higher sex drives than most women. It's really not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:50 PM
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It's definitely not so simple like you say. Yes, it is. What evidence do you have in any that it isn't? You don't have any. Sex feels good, but not because of it being with a new person. Again, don't be so utterly arrogant that you think you understand mens' minds when you are not a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:44 PM
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They're not like those other men because they can easily sleep around, which most men can't. Why jump to such complex conclusions about validation and other similar wacky ideas when you can simply say they are doing it because they like having sex? Men don't go around talking to each other saying... "I slept with 20 women and you slept with 4, therefore I'm better than you.". Are there some men in the world who do it? Sure. But definitely not most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:16 PM
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Nothing to misinterpret, Yes there is. You're making too many jumps in logic. There are obese people in the world, correct? Why are those people obese? Because they really enjoy eating a lot of food. Since we all eat food, does that mean every person is obese? No, it doesn't. And that is fine, but if that's what men wanted This entire debate is about why certain men really sleep around. But not every man, if fact not even most men, sleep around a lot. You're making too many jumps in logic and as…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:51 PM
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As to the point about men's sex drive being higher: that's not how I always saw it. I don't know what to say, they just do. This isn't some kind of revolutionary statement. It's a pretty standard thought among most people. I thought men pursued ungettable women for a chase No, they are pursuing those women because they want to have sex with them. It's just complicated for men. Your inserting how you think about relationships into mens' minds and assuming they work the same way. They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:46 PM
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I am saying if all men openly craved novelty more than monogamy and a lifelong partner Huh? You're making way too many assumptions and jumps in logic. Men are often more sexually oriented than women. Why do some men have sex with a lot of different partners? Because they enjoy having sex. It has nothing to do with validation from other men or even those women. But that doesn't mean men who are married are absolutely going to cheat. Men and women cheat at roughly the same rate, or within 5 percen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:44 PM
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Women think about sex. With men. Invariably in these debates on this sub when the idea that men have a higher sex drive comes up, women reply insisting they like sex. I absolutely believe you and other women enjoy sex. It's just on average, men have a higher sex drive than women. They just do. That's why the entire system works. For the most part, men pursue women... because they have a higher sex drive they are willing to pursue. I can't change my outlook based on men being "wired different." T…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 06:25 PM
2

That doesn't say that prostitutes in general have lower rates of STI than the regular public.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:54 PM
2

Nah dude, the fact that men both pay women for sex No, it's not equivalent. About 75% of all prostitution is from men seeking sex. Yes, women use prostitutes, but not nearly to the same frequency as men. It's well known that sex workers are "cleaner" than most people who have casual You're just completely making this up. No, prostitutes are not cleaner than a random person having casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:45 PM
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Lol, that's plainly untrue given men's attitudes to prostitution Prostitution exists because of men. How many women vs men prostitutes are in the world? I would say you disproved your own point here. Most men won't have sex with a prostitute because they don't want to catch a STI, or they are in a committed relationship and value that. But if there were absolutely no consequences almost all men would be going to prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:05 PM
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Why enjoy sex "with a new person" instead of just freaking enjoying sex?!?! If you have a lot of money and enjoy video games, would you choose to play the same video game the rest of your life, or would you desire to try a lot of different games? Why eat the same food for the rest of your life when you can try different foods? You can use a lot of similar analogies to explain that phenomenon. Sex is a much more animalistic instinct for men compared to women. The mistake women make in thinking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 05:01 PM
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Women do not care about alienating 85% of men because 90% of men are completely invisible to them. She should if she's a politician who wants men to vote for her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 04:55 PM
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For the men that can't and don't stop, the issue is often validation. No, it's not. Men do not think the way women think. They are fundamentally different and validation means infinitely less to them. Of course there are all kinds of personality traits and variations among men, but in general, you would never see a female doctor married to a janitor. But you often see a male doctor married to a woman with no career. Because most men fundamentally do not care about validation when picking a partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:47 PM
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Not really. It's about trying to have sex with as many women you can, like going to a buffet. Women inherently think about status and validation much more than men. For the most part, men don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:27 PM
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It's not about validation. It's about having sex with different women. Imagine you are at a buffet and you want to try a lot of different foods and desserts... that's a good analogy for how they feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 04:25 PM
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Definitely disagree. Men absolutely love having sex. For some guys and certain situations could it be about ego? Sure. But the majority of the time it's because they want to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 02:51 PM
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The AOC stuff and her follow up video was so bad. Ana and Cenk are correct in that it can alienate so many men. She's talking about short kinds and being "spiritually 6ft". You can tell the importance of height in judging a man's worth is ingrained in her, and that's going to alienate a lot of men when 85% of them are below 6ft. I don't always agree with Ana, but she made great points on this one. Height has become an increasingly sore subject for men, especially in regards to dating, and it's s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 02:00 PM
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People on the internet are not honest. They answer idealistically as they see themselves or how they would like to see themselves. Maybe women do it more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 01:28 PM
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Why do you think it's not the same for men? It's the same but probably worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:21 PM
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Should your essay be directed towards women? They control the narrative. If women don't want men to provide, men won't care. Sure, there may always be very conservative enclaves where they seek very traditional roles, but at the end of the day women are usually the gatekeepers of relationships and if they don't want this, men won't care. But in real life, in my experience, this is what feminism has turned into. It's just the inverse of the men's rights movement with one convoluted argument after…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:41 PM
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You don't have much insight into what being a man is really like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:32 AM
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Do you know what friend zoned means? It means you try to pursue a relationship with someone (meaning you put in a lot of work) and then that person just wants to be friends with you and doesn't take any further. So essentially everything I wrote applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 10:16 PM
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I don't know women's experiences, but I do know in 9 out of every 10 couples the man initiated, paid for everything early on , was expected to entertain the woman, and basically expected to initiate everything. Flirting is essentially nothing compared to what is taken for granted the man will do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 09:13 PM
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Not sure you understand what being a man is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:31 PM
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Sure, but it just happens to men more often because men are usually the ones pursuing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 11:07 AM
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Take responsibility for what, exactly? Women and men are responsible for their own actions. Nothing is more feminism than a man trying to tell other men anything women do wrong is the fault of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 09:30 AM
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Most average men have a difficult time dating. Their standard is whatever near average woman they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:03 PM
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What specifically about what I wrote do you disagree with? Do you disagree that in most dating situations the man does all of that? It's a ton of work. And of course as a woman you want the right to reject the man and choose another man you're most happy with. So as the man, you do all of that for nothing. It's not easy. But you seem to take it for granted, which is what this entire post is about
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:38 PM
1

55%
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:02 AM
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Why isn't this a question for men? Why don't you ask men what they mean? A woman doesn't have to do much in dating. She simply presents herself on social media or a dating app and will be chased by men. Men have to ask a woman out, plan dates, are usually expected to pay for everything, be entertaining, etc. And women increasingly are more selective, making things more frustrating for the average guy. Women leave marriages at a much higher rate and seem to be constantly dissatisfied and thinking…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:26 AM
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Yeah, it honestly was a terrible way for her to make her point. She irritated like 75% of the male population.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 03:50 PM
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Why is this about "men"? 45% of all women voted for Trump. It's about Republicans, not "men".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:50 AM
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I came to that conclusion by reading the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:20 AM
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You are assuming that’s why she asked. casual sex is easier for women, but women don’t date for casual sex often. They date for long term relationships It's just too hard to follow your points. You make so so many assumptions in your writing, it's hard to logically follow what you're trying to communicate. The point most men make is that women typically have a ton of options at their disposal, they just have high standards and the men at their disposal do not meet their standards. Which is basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 12:31 AM
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It's very hard to follow you're writing. My point is that most men say dating is much harder for the average guy than the average woman, and the answers on this post very much reinforce that idea. OP seemed like she was hoping to hear the opposite perspective. When she said she just wanted to hear the opinions, I said well there you do, you got them. If anyone is trying to pick a fight, it's clearly you. But you really don't have a leg to stand on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 12:20 AM
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Which conclusions are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:59 PM
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It's really hard to follow your language. Try to be more explicit about your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:29 PM
1

It's hard to follow what you're referencing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:27 PM
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I didn't say it was upsetting me. Quite the opposite. Basically, everything men say is true, is true. What would I be upset about?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:55 PM
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Ok, well you got the perspectives you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:47 PM
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Well, perhaps backfire is a strong word, but from your question you seemed to want to prove that dating is so much harder than what the stereotype is for women, but the stereotypes were proven correct by most answers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:30 PM
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Consensus is most average women can get male attention whenever they want, the men just don't meet up to their standards. Which is essentially the stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:13 PM
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Your question backfired.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:12 PM
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45% of all voting women voted for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:58 AM
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Divorce rates are not increasing. In fact recently, they fell. But having a place where divorce isn't encouraged would be a welcome invention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:57 AM
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Don't need to abolish anything, just don't get married if you don't want to. There are a lot of happy married couples who would disagree with you and why do you want to dictate what they do with their lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:54 AM
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Men, on average, don't actually think about how attractive they are like women do. They just pursue women they are attracted to and over time they learn who they do and don't have a chance with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:51 PM
2

Feminism jumped the shark a while ago and is mostly just the inverse of the extremes of the men's rights movement. Women are mostly the victims of domestic violence and abortion will always be a controversial subject, but otherwise, in most western countries there aren't a lot more barriers for women to climb over. Mostly it's just one convoluted argument after another about why women should get every advantage and do whatever they want in the moment at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:55 PM
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You're getting a little too disconnected from reality with this one. It's not for all service members, it's for those participating in combat.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:30 PM
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What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 12:57 AM
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You don't have a point, you just argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:47 PM
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Whatever, you just want to argue about everything. It's not productive or useful. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:23 PM
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No, you can't. You can't say men want to marry more than they did in the past. Because marriages aren't happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:36 PM
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Right. You can't say 100% what it's due to. But you also can't say that men want to marry more or at the same rate as in previous decades, because that's not happening. Plus, I'm a man, and know that men talk about this constantly. It's much different previous generations. Men know women leave marriages. Some men will still marry because they have their heart set on it. But a large portion of them won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:13 PM
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Men don't care about women's education and jobs. I never wrote that and I have no idea how you're inferring that. But men don't want to risk losing 2/3rds of the net value by marrying. So they're not marrying. Now can you infer that the reason they're not marrying is solely because of that? Definitely not. But you also can't infer that they are marrying, because they're not. Or at least they're marrying at a drastically lower rate than years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:34 PM
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I don't follow. Try to write your thoughts out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:45 PM
2

The marriage rate is drastically lower than it was 30 to 50 years ago. That's just simply an objective fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:49 PM
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It does if men marry or don't get a prenup, but now that is changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:06 PM
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Honestly who cares what they think. Feminism has just turned into the inverse of the extremes of the men's rights movements. It's just one convoluted argument after another about why they should get every advantage and to do whatever they want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/25 05:53 PM
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Men on average don't care about a women's job or education. Not sure why that is controversial.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:42 PM
1

Again, I just don't know what that means. Men say they don't what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:14 PM
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They didn't as much in the past, but they do much more now. Which is one reason why the marriage rate now is something like 60 percentage points lower than the 1970s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:08 PM
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You never explained anything after that reply. Explain it again if you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:39 PM
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Yeah, ok. You could just explain what you meant, but you just want to argue forever. This is a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:55 PM
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Not to that message. I didn't write all of your writing is difficult to read, just that reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:54 PM
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