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I'm so tired of your rhetoric. You have the wrong idea about what I believe. You agree that sex can be degrading, and all I've said is that I think the bulk of pornography use is depraved. Ostensibly, we disagree by degree, but you've really got a bone to pick with this strawman version of my argument. I haven't said that I think all sex is degrading, or that non-monogamous sex is degrading, or that all use of pornography is degrading. But I did speak from personal experience and say that, from …
/r/ExRedPill23/06/26 05:27 PM
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You're trying to escape reality if you don't want to believe that sex is a facticity that defines who we are. 😔
/r/ExRedPill23/06/26 06:04 AM
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I believe that sex can be degrading, and that's really all that I'm trying to get you to acknowledge. Exploitation regarding someone's sexual destiny seems to me to be a particularly grievous tragedy, and I would easily make the trade that if we could stop that exploitation from happening, I think the world would be better without pornography. Anyhow, again, it's really my personal belief that much of porn consumption is depraved. I don't really care if shaming works or doesn't work; but I think…
/r/ExRedPill23/06/26 04:36 AM
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I don't know about you, but when I was in my early twenties, my pornography habit was absolutely depraved and served me great ill. I didn't know any better. You can say that porn is fine, to a degree—much of it isn't "sex positive," but actually very horrible, unhealthy stuff, much of it the product of sex trafficking. Nevertheless, my pornography addiction had much to do with how I was taught to fetishize women. I think it's possible that people can have healthy relationships to pornography, bu…
/r/ExRedPill23/06/26 12:08 AM
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You're just not attracted to men, lol, so you have no idea. While it's probably true that there's an element of men having traits like baldness because women have historically not had the privilege of choosing men, but rather having their reproductive lives exploited by men, that isn't to say that men aren't generally attractive to women. The more pertinent issue is that women simply don't feel safe or comfortable around men, for the aforementioned reason. I would challenge your other assertion,…
/r/ExRedPill22/06/26 05:27 PM
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Yikes. What happened to you retards that made you this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:51 AM
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Damn, you're fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:50 AM
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There are a lot of red flags in what you wrote. That you're young and said when you get in the bedroom you "forget about equality," that you become a misogynist, telling us that you've tried to change and can't, that you feel like you've done something wrong and are worried about karma, and the vindication of your behavior offered up by your partner, and that you're here asking us to reassure you, are all concerns pointing towards this idea that something is wrong here. It's easy to believe that…
/r/RedPillWomen14/02/26 11:26 AM
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Reread what I said. Or don't. I did not say you raped your partner.
/r/RedPillWomen14/02/26 11:10 AM
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Rape is a normal word that describes something that a lot of people, especially women, experience. The word shouldn't be pushed out of public view to make people feel comfortable. It's something we need to confront as a society.
/r/RedPillWomen14/02/26 10:43 AM
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This just seems gross and dangerous to me. I can see a situation where you find yourself in a new relationship and end up raping a woman who is overwhelmed by your domineering behavior. I read a story recently from a girl who this happened to, who was dating men for the first time and wound up badly hurt and violated by a man who behaved much like you. Your partner telling you that this is your primal instinct reinforces this idea that you're not in control of yourself when you absolutely are.
/r/RedPillWomen14/02/26 10:21 AM
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The fact is that this is what life and relationships are like. People form desires, they enter relationships, they learn things about themselves, things change, and life goes on. Life always goes on, whether you've fucked one person or a million. You're three years into a relationship holding onto this idea that she could have been your first, but now you have to realize that if you leave her, whoever comes next will always be your second, even if you find someone else who has never had a first …
/r/ExRedPill31/12/25 12:16 AM
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If you can't trust your man to be friends with women, you're settling, and vice versa, if you can't be friends with men, you have issues to work through.
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/25 06:06 PM
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I don't know why you're getting so much heat. This guy is probably just keeping his long term relationship around hoping that you'll change your mind and date him. He sounds exhausting. Just do you and move on if he's going to behave that way.
/r/RedPillWomen21/12/25 05:51 PM
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There are two reporting periods across the NISVS studies which report that men were Made To Penetrate at the same rate at which women were Raped within the previous year (I use the framing of penetrative sexual assault). In the following reporting periods, 2015, 2016-2017 iirc, the number of men experiencing MTP is roughly half of the number of women being raped within the past year. If you look at their lifelong reporting statistics for those same years though, the number goes from like 1 in 21…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/10/25 02:38 AM
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This is the CDC's NISVS we're talking about, the first source cited by the OP. I believe the reporting years are 2011-2012, 2015, and 2016-2017.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/10/25 02:06 AM
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Regarding only the CDC stats, you're massively cherry picking data from iirc 2011-2012 data for past year reporting only, while the lifetime statistics for those studies are only more disparate compared to the three following studies where past year statistics level out to what we would expect while lifetime statistics tighten up. 2011-2012 it's someone like 1 in 21 men report being MTP during their lifetime and later studies it's like, what? 1 in 11? But the past year statistics show that women…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/10/25 01:03 AM
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Fetus_muncher_7? Lmao.
/r/ExRedPill25/10/25 12:54 PM
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Be patient, bro. You have so much more about life to discover. To think you would find the right one off the bat and that it would be happily ever after is pretty wild. Maybe you haven't been prepared at all for the reality you're going to face as a man. Don't lose sight of yourself. You need to make a life for yourself. A woman isn't going to change that for you. It's tough, but you need to find the motivation to thrive for yourself. If you can do that, finding love will come naturally.
/r/ExRedPill12/09/25 04:24 AM
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Major cap. Women have worked so hard for their independence, while men are stuck in the past living like babies. Women have their shit together and work hard because they know how things used to be. They realize the value of our institutions and of the free labor market. They do what they need to do to pay rent and they keep their places nice. Men, meanwhile, can't get over the power they used to have over women, and continue to pick up misogynist traits and behaviors from their fathers, brother…
/r/ExRedPill16/02/25 01:20 PM
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That's a huge commitment. It sounds like you have to talk to him about how you feel about him and how you feel about your workplace relationships and what your job means to you. I can understand feeling insecure, but he's asking way too much from you instead of sitting you down to talk about his feelings.
/r/RedPillWomen27/01/25 10:42 PM
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No way you feel comfortable enough to quit a good job for a guy who is insecure like that. That doesn't feel like a relationship where you're super comfortable. If you're serious about considering his request, ask if he'll sign a post nuptial agreement so you know you'll be able to walk away and be able to stand on your feet.
/r/RedPillWomen27/01/25 09:56 PM
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You're doing something valuable for yourself by entering the marine corp. Do a good job and train hard and don't worry about losing your femininity. You'll come out of your service with a stronger perspective, ready to take on the challenge of finding someone to love, and your femininity is something that you'll always be able to find again. Don't let all the fuckboys get to you. Trust in your path and you'll find the right man.
/r/RedPillWomen25/12/24 12:24 AM
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Another thing to think about when it comes to this idea in real life is that there are a lot of asshole women out there dating these asshole men.
/r/ExRedPill17/12/24 03:31 AM
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Yeh. MRAs hate the idea that feminists are actually their most likely allies concerning some of their most tangible issues, such as abolishing the draft or ending routine circumcision. They specifically want to focus on issues that feminists have spearheaded, such as automatic child custody, without wanting to have a nuanced or informed conversation about the feminist perspective. Then there is the issue of male domestic violence shelters and the Duluth model which is their main talking point. A…
/r/ExRedPill22/11/24 09:27 PM
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So true, king. Caring incurs a tremendous burden, and it's even harder not to care, when you're someone who really cares.
/r/MenSupportMen11/10/24 06:23 AM
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Don't be a simp, but you should be a nice guy. Like, genuinely a nice guy. Honestly, if you can't be nice with a potential partner, then you're not going to like yourself as a person. Don't let this experience with this person shape your whole world view. You're basically telling us that you want to be an inauthentic person because it could lead to material pleasure. I don't respect that. Any sincere potential partner isn't going to respect that. If you see a future for yourself where you're a s…
/r/MenSupportMen30/09/24 11:31 AM
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Just lmao, dude. This is a good day to mute this stupid sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:03 PM
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At what point were men "on board with feminism"? And now they're abandoning? I don't buy this narrative. Do whatever you want, but don't expect women to give up on feminism when it's the movement that has advocated for them, protected their rights and liberated them from the abuses of men. As long as you're not advocating for harming women, I don't think that feminists will care what you decide to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 08:17 AM
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I have witnessed first-hand girls who previously and a guy badly but completely lost interest in him when they found out he was mean. I'm about to mute this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 08:13 PM
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This is the most likely explanation for why women tend to rate men's appearance with a greater disparity than men do women, in the few limited studies that we have on this topic. Men think that men find most women attractive compared to women, because women put so much more effort into their appearance, and when women judge a man's looks, their taking a keen interest in the way that men and women dress and style themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 06:10 AM
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I think men expect this of men much more than women. Women tend to be more progressive than men in every category.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 07:54 AM
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Not that I think this is necessarily true, it could be or it could not be, but attractive men may come across as less of a risk for the reason that stalking/manipulation might be more represented as a tactic for mate retention among unattractive men (same with sexual assault). You could have at least included that reasoning in your brainstorm. Yes, women truly do experience a significant deal of fear concerning men, whether they're attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:10 AM
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Stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:31 AM
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Well, there are guild navigators and the Bene Tleilax, but I see what you're saying if you come from having only watched Villeneuve movies or read the first book.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/24 06:14 AM
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Frank Herbert talks about not being a slave to ideology in his Dune series.
/r/ExRedPill14/06/24 02:15 AM
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I bet that the makeup/fashion gap probably explains most of this behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 11:04 AM
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Awesome response.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:24 AM
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Oh, the "trust me bro" argument. Great, that can't be possibly prone to bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:47 PM
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Your link was to another one of your posts? Wow, legit, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:40 PM
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Based on only studies conducted from dating websites, or...? Are there any studies that measure whether the application of makeup, hairstyle, or fashion matters? How settled is this subject, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:35 PM
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I'm so curious whether or not you think that the bear question is offensive because it stereotypes men or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:11 PM
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I would say no, it's not sexist. I think it's a perfectly acceptable question to ask. I know that doesn't bode well for the kind of indignation that you're trying to peddle. I think it's a good question, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:08 PM
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You're telling me that you're looking for a woman with a stellar personality, but that you're questioning whether or not you think you should have a good personality, because you don't think it matters? You've lost the plot with these non-sense comparisons. I'm asking you to look at this very simple contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 08:35 AM
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Weird how men seem to have no standards. I think if you want to attract a woman without a personality, then don't bother having one yourself. That's fine, but you're getting what you put into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 04:12 AM
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Nice post, bro. Look at the comments to upvote ratio. You stirred the beehive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:38 PM
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They probably evaluate men differently because they put so much effort into their appearance compared to men and notice the difference. That would be my guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:36 PM
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I imagine that the time that women put into their appearance probably explains the difference in how men and women rate attractiveness. I remember watching this video where this total dud gets a haircut and suddenly he looked posh as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:35 PM
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Dude. I can't believe you brought reason here to the facts over feelings crowd. Awesome post, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:32 PM
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They probably don't trust men on the apps, would be my best guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:28 PM
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Bro, studies consistently show that women are much more likely to believe in splitting the check than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:57 PM
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Oh no! It's not pleasant to hear....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 09:11 PM
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Show us the impact reports.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 08:51 PM
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Your error here is in presuming that Andrew Tate's rhetoric and women saying that men are useless is comparable. I think it's possible for that sentiment to take on more negative connotations, but in terms of how much power the sexes have and when considering the inertia of history, this isn't the same in terms of impact. If women say that men are useless, it probably means in regards to rearing children or doing the chores. When men say that women are useless, there are generally more vile conn…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:12 AM
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Can you cite the research that you've been involved with on this subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:21 PM
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I'll answer the question for you, since it's clear that you don't want to confront the reality of the facts. Women are more than three times as likely to experience fear. Women are more than three times as likely to be concerned for their safety. Women are nearly twice as likely to be injured. Women are twice as likely to experience symptoms of PTSD. Women are nearly three times as likely to need medical care. Women are three times as likely to need help from law enforcement. 16.2% of women expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:45 PM
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That's not at all it, and in fact, the data that we have shows us that men are more likely to employ unique forms of violence against their partner than are statistically irrelevant for women, such as using a gun or knife against a partner, choking or burning them. The higher rate of murder doesn't come down to a strength difference. This isn't a matter of both sexes hitting their partner, but a man's blow is harder than a woman's. Men who murder their partners set out with the intention to murd…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:43 PM
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Okay. Show us the impact reports of domestic violence, men versus women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 02:31 AM
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I think men are going to undergo a massive period of maturation, and that men will overall be much healthier for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 08:44 AM
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I don't deny being called a misandrist when the accusation is being levied against me by such totally unserious people as you guys are, no. I don't see how that accusation, whether it's true or false, adds anything constructive to this discussion at all. It's just virtue signaling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 08:32 AM
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While I think that sex/gender is categorically different from race, you're asking the wrong person, because I think that it's completely normal and rational to have bias based on your personal experiences towards any group of person. I don't think that it's offensive at all for women to talk about the negative experiences that they have with men, and I can't conceive of how it comes across as offensive in this context, of women saying they'd trust a bear over a man in the wild. What would be wil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 08:20 AM
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You are so shallow, dude. Calling me misandrist for laughing at your guys' pity party? I think that's so pathetic. Instead of reflecting on why women say they'd trust a bear over a man in the wild, you guys have to throw a tantrum and play victim. I think there are legitimate men's rights issues--I think this is just stupid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 07:39 AM
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Talk to the mods, bro.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 07:37 AM
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This whole entire forum is an 'us versus them' forum. 90%+ of you guys believe that attacking feminism is the most important thing for the men's rights movement. I don't think that women saying they would trust a bear more than a man in the wild is a legitimate PTSD trigger, so go ahead, accuse me of ableism for using 'triggered' as an insult. I get why you want to do that--if the men's rights movement can adopt the victim complex of the left, it might have as much success in advocating for othe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 07:36 AM
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You guys are so upset that women have a negative perception of men, and rather than being like, okay, yeah, I get it. Women have a lot of negative experiences with men. Instead, you guys are all taking this personally and trying to attack every angle that validates your indignation. I don't know what comments you're talking about concerning women getting offended. Are you talking about when women get offended that men tell them that breast feeding is disgusting? As someone who things that men's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 07:29 AM
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It's wild how loaded of a statement you managed to craft there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 07:22 AM
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Lol, you guys are so triggered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 03:40 AM
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lmao, you've lost the plot, bro
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 09:02 PM
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Yeah, that bothers me about this idea that there is just a massive segment of the population who are humble guys that are 5'11", who make 99k a year, who would gladly be with any woman, but is just down on their luck because they're an inch and a thousand dollars a year short of conforming to women's shallow desires. I'd wager that most guys who think that have no idea what they want, and that if they were put in a relationship with a random woman, they would immediately discover 10 deal breaker…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 06:42 PM
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It's for her video on the Twilight series. Her latest video, I'm sure. It's a tremendous video.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:33 PM
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There's a reality where tons of women are shallow and gullible idiots, sure. There are tons of women who are assholes, too. "Tons of ugly men begging for female attention who think they would treat a woman like a goddess," you should absolutely be skeptical of these guys, too. You don't need to give anyone any sympathy or relate to them in any way if you don't want to. If these relationships aren't benefiting you, end them. There are absolutely more humble and mature women out there. It's not re…
/r/ExRedPill28/04/24 01:05 PM
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Natalie Wynn suggests that women's bodice ripping fantasies come from a purity culture that shames women for having sexual desires. Removing a woman's agency in these stories takes away their choice so they no longer have to bear the shame of having those desires while still managing to fulfill a sexual fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:42 AM
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There was some push among socialist philosophers to consider socialism as a solution to women's challenges in the marketplace. If you consider that children (that grow into adults) are the most valuable commodity, the backbone of our economy, it makes a lot of sense to compensate people for having children. I feel like if you're a traditionalist, you should agree with this. What's absolutely not going to happen, though, is pushing women back into a place of oppression just because men want to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:12 PM
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My guess is that this would be an expectation that men mostly elevate and adhere to, because it continues to give them the impression of having status and power in a relationship. Research consistently shows that women are more progressive in their values, especially in financial matters, and that men actually hold on to traditional gender roles much more tightly than women do. This whole forum, and the entire manosphere space online is all about blaming women for problems and never holding men …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:55 PM
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On the point of men being expected to provide for women and to be chivalrous towards women being attributed to the patriarchy, and the notion that men create these expectations to their benefit, there is some truth to this. From the data that I've studied, women, for example, are much more likely to hold progressive values when it comes to paying for first dates. There is still a big expectation that men pay for the first date, and men play into this more than women, actually, and some researche…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/24 01:11 PM
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If this woman wasn't completely validating your bias you would probably think very poorly of everything they believe and say. That's one person's experience or opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 10:26 PM
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There are plenty of women who facilitate sex trafficking, but I've never heard a story of a bunch of women running trains in anyone in my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 04:57 PM
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The notion that feminism is rebranded traditionalism is nonsense, and the accusation that feminists only care about dissolving traditional gender roles when its convenient for them holds no weight.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/24 08:16 PM
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Good question. You can tell how triggering it is by the frequency of men making despicable comments here, trying to flaunt how flagrant their bigotry can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 04:25 PM
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I think you'd actually find people who disagree, and believe that toxic and entitled men do in fact find themselves in relationships. Entitled people of all kinds find themselves in possession of the object of their desires. This really isn't a far-fetched or outlandish explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:55 PM
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That's completely non-sequitur to the issue at hand. The zeitgeist of most known history has placed male power and male desire at the center of the cosmos. Men today still hold on to this entitlement. It has nothing to do with whether women say that men are entitled or not; but this is the first time in history that male power and the male gaze have really been challenged. What we see today isn't a conservative tradition so much as it is a reactionary outrage from men who no longer have the priv…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 03:38 PM
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So to the women I have a question...do you think for a SECOND that we wanted any of this. To treat you like trash, to manipulate, to harbor misogynistic thoughts and disdain. To go online and bash you, to break your hearts, abuse, beat, and murder. (I'm talking about the common man to the most extreme Incel Killers) (Obviously the Incel killers are the murder part). That's not the intention, but that's often the outcome of living in a world where men feel entitled to women's lives, who think of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 09:09 AM
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You guys have your heads so far up your ass. There are so many awesome people out there, and the fact is, if you're acting like this, posting here, that more than half of the women out there deserve better than you. For whatever reason, it hasn't occurred to you that you're one of the bad ones, and it isn't even that you deserve someone as shallow and stuck up as you are, it's more like you don't deserve anyone at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 05:06 AM
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Tell the dude to move on and to have the maturity to exercise some control over his feelings. Whatever he's feeling for you, it's actually a reflection of his doubts in his present relationship. He's just looking for an escape from commitment. Really tell him to grow up and don't let him get away with that BS.
/r/RedPillWomen03/04/24 08:58 PM
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I don't care what the stated purpose of the model is, and that you are asking me to prove the intentions of 2nd wave feminist era policy reveals you as either a very clueless sincere person or an almost clever bad faith troll. How can you say this, then ask for this: Then it should be trivial to prove it. Where is there any movement to change the definition of domestic violence in criminal law or in academic theory to a definition that makes it impossible for male abusers to exist? Where is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:16 AM
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It's very obvious that a large part of the platform of the contemporary male advocate is involved with the erasure of men's violence. Since an examination of the Duluth model seems to be at the core of your assertion that feminism is trying to excuse women's violence, can you prove that the purpose of the model was to erase male victims and to excuse female violence? You come across as a well-read person, but your grievances seem irrational to me. Do you think that men and women are just as resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 10:37 PM
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Obviously I'm not going to say that's okay. Maybe you expect me to victim blame you for being on the receiving end of what seems like an incredulous and unfair situation. I'm not, but I'm also not going to just concede that alimony must be a broken concept because of your personal experience. Based on the information that you provided, and what I've looked up, it seems like what happened to you is a gross miscarriage of justice, and that every single factor possible must have worked against you …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/24 09:55 PM
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The most damning statistic here, though, is the outstanding prevalence of IPV experienced by bisexual women, and as far as sexuality goes, it seems that while the rate that men and women identify as bisexual or gay is approximately the same, more women tend to identify as bisexual than men do. According to this study, with its small sample size where sexual minorities are concerned, approximately ~54.7% of bisexual women experienced IPV by a male partner. That's like ~85% higher than the rate at…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:38 PM
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all before any attempts to factor in the impact of widespread current day bias to erase women's violence. I don't know where this attitude is coming from. I'm looking at this data, and the results are very damning for men. First of all, we're dealing with a very small sample size. Of the ~9,086 women who responded to this survey, only ~118, or ~1.3% identified as lesbians. According to this study, women in lesbian couples, according to lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalk…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 09:36 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the statistic you're bringing up is contentious for a few issues, one of those being that it doesn't account for the rate at which lesbians experience domestic violence in lesbian relationships, but for the lifetime prevalence that lesbians have experienced domestic violence, and this can be inflated for a variety of reasons, and the other issue being that the instance is this study isn't congruent with the overall body of data that we have on this topic. The fact is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:48 PM
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Frankly, people stereotype people by race in the same way, yes, whether you think that's fair or not. Or by how people dress, so on and so on. I don't know if race stands as a valid comparison to sex-based differences, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:03 PM
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😴 I hate the rhetoric you guys employ. It has such a self-righteous air about it. You guys do a lot of virtue posturing and manufacturing disgust to get your point across. I don't think I've made a strong value judgement about whether stereotyping is good or bad. I think that I've said that it's easy to rationalize why people do it. You really want for me to have said that I think it's good that women think all men are bad because other men do bad things, though. It's as if you've adopted the de…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:02 PM
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I addressed that in my original response. That sometimes translates to how we view individual actors of a group. It's not so much that men are terrible, so we view women as less terrible. It's that the way men act makes us view men more harshly in general. We don't need a relative comparison to create that line of logic. You see men do bad things, and when you see a man do bad things, you think the worst because of your learned experience with men. This happens with women who are "Karens".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:13 PM
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Men display more aggression and are more violent. That is going to affect people's perceptions, whether you think that's fair or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:03 PM
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True to a degree, yes. There are some double standards that are pervasive in society. There's also a pretty easy to understand rationalization, which is that women are less likely to commit violence overall, and when they do, the impacts of it aren't as severe as the effects of men's violence. We view women as less bad because in general, they are. That sometimes translates into how we perceive their individual acts of violence, but in reality, the difference is probably not that significant. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:52 AM
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If you're only looking at who shallow women want to be with, then you can easily confirm this kind of bias. For the most part, women are interested in nice guys who have their shit together.
/r/ExRedPill01/04/24 11:29 AM
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For once, I feel like someone in the RP/MRA manosphere has raised a decent question. Cool question, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 11:06 AM
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Do you not think there are enough considerations that go into the legal process for determining what alimony should be paid? From what I understand, many of these considerations are a part of the legal process. Do you have a significant source of evidence that shows that judges unfairly award spouses receiving alimony, that judges exhibit poor judgement overall, or that the laws governing alimony for most states overall unfairly award the spouse receiving alimony? I think that critically examini…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/24 04:31 PM
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Do you care to elaborate? Why is it outdated, and what should replace it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/24 04:20 PM
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Are you guys honestly against alimony as a core concept? Or is your guys' issue with alimony a matter of specifics? As far as the broader manosphere movement goes, the perception and opposition towards alimony seems almost entirely reactionary in nature, and I doubt that many men have really thought about the concept of alimony in the slightest, and especially don't know about the specifics. So do y'all really think it's okay that a spouse can give up their career to serve at home or to raise ki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/24 06:19 AM
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Folks in this crowd ought consider the puritanism claim as a legit line of argumentation against folks using sexual mores as a means to persecute men. That kind of tactic may be useful for convincing lefties of the problems, may also be something that the righties would have sympathies with too. Can you try to elaborate on this in more succinct or relatable terms? What does this mean? How are men being persecuted for their sexuality? Are you talking about men dating younger women or something?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/24 08:12 AM
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Intactivists do protest. I would want to have a march for men's bodies, that emphasizes men's beauty where men are encouraged to march proudly whether they are bald, short, or fat, and regardless of whatever they want to wear (within reason). I might bring Stavros Halkias' annual calendar to put onto display. What would you want to protest?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 09:53 PM
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Dude, be proactive and save your money. If you're an able-bodied and able-minded adult, and you don't have kids, there's absolutely no reason why you would have to be a wage slave for the rest of your life, unless you weren't trying to increase your station. If you set your mind to something, you can make a living doing practically whatever you want. You could become a well-paid paleontologist if you want to. That's one-hundred percent a choice. Not everything in life has to be about living unde…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 07:53 PM
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So, sorry, I don't buy your argument there.. Your conclusion here seems non-sequitur, or a response to a strawman. Most forms of FGM are obviously much worse than circumcision, but I'm not here to defend circumcision. I think that ending MGM is one of the most hardline men's rights issues that we could possibly address. Also, the majority of Female on Male violence tends to be emotional / psychological rather than physical.. but despite this.. its still violence! It just doesn't leave marks or b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 04:21 AM
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Most of the data that I'm citing comes from the lifetime statistics from the most recent CDC's NISVS: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/datasources/nisvs/summaryreports.html There's a section titled Type of Perpetrator Among Victims of Sexual Violence in the Report on Sexual Violence that doesn't explicitly say that men are 3x more likely to be the perpetrators of sexual violence, but this is a data point that can be aggregated. Many MRAs would prefer to use a few specific data points from …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 04:05 AM
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Instead of focusing on changing the perception that women aren't capable of violence, I think it would be much more pragmatic for men's activists to actually advocate that men themselves become less violent, because the fact of the matter is that men are much more aggressive, and that the harm they inflict is more severe. Most of the data that we have supports these facts. Even when accounting for MTP (made to penetrate), men are three times more likely to be the perpetrator of sexual assault, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 11:23 PM
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See, I really don't have any respect for this opinion. It's spineless, and you say that you don't engage in politics, but here you are framing weak arguments. What are you actually doing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 02:35 AM
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I can't respect your perspective of being so blind to sex-based issues. I see this everywhere in the manosphere, and you're probably a pretty normal, nice guy, but your position on this is a problem and it's reflective of how so many other guys look at the world. "The problem isn't your sex, it's your character." If this is your position, then how do you approach issues where there's a disparity in representation by sex? Are you going to approach the issue of male-dominated violent crime by sugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 11:54 PM
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Dude, this is so stupid. And so is everyone here for believing this bullshit uncritically. All of the data that we have suggests that women are much more progressive than men are when it comes to dating politics, being much less likely to believe that men should pay for their dates, and much more likely to believe that the bill should be split or that whoever invites the other should pay. Some researchers suggest that men prefer to pay for dates because it gives the control or a sense of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 11:47 PM
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lol, bro, wtf are you doing? Go try to stay a safe space and come back when you've failed because you are discriminated against. Trying to inject yourself into a women's safe space is just the most stupid, belligerent thing you could do. That wasn't an interview, you just come across as an asshole
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/24 11:41 PM
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True. I think if we want to see mainstream media change that men first need to express an interest in body positivity before media will begin to adapt.
/r/ExRedPill15/03/24 09:08 PM
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If men want a body positivity movement, then men are going to have to foster and encourage a body positivity movement. I'm one of those men that want body positivity for men, too. I think that there are unfair double standards for men that women do engage in; but on the whole, I think that the biggest offender of body shaming men are other men. This has certainly been my experience as a man, where other men, particularly online, have used my balding to attack me when they disagree with my ideas.…
/r/ExRedPill13/03/24 01:40 PM
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Have you guys actually proved that women are 'only attracted to the top men'? I don't think you guys have actually proved this, and especially not beyond any capacity that men are functionally different. Are you basing this entirely off of studies from dating apps? Men vastly outnumber women in dating apps, and I'm pretty sure that a lot of data that we have suggests that men are more likely to reach out to a smaller proportion of attractive women than women are to men. I remember reading a stud…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 01:29 PM
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While I think that there are women's and feminists perspectives that are bad, I'm disheartened that the focus of left wing male advocates is to strawman and attack feminism, without even bothering to engage critically with actual feminists, feminist perspectives, or feminist ideas on an individual level. It's as if, in your desire to oppose feminism that you have become prone to making all of the same mistakes that you accuse feminists of. I would not be surprised if most of the men here would v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 12:09 AM
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She then acknowledges the issue of mandatory conscription for South-Korean men, but then doesn't acknowledge at all that its feminist movements who abolished any compensation men would get for their conscription as they argued it discriminates against women. How exactly does this behaviour of feminist organisation tie into protecting women's rights, rather than advantaging them over men? Isn't their backlash completely justified then? This caught my interest, so I looked further into it and spen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 12:09 AM
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Those people suck. Don't pay attention to those kinds of people or give what they think any weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 02:30 PM
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There's this guy that hangs out around the cafe sometimes. He always has a stupid joke on his mind, and he'll sit there and stop like every third or fourth person who passes by to open with this joke. I've seen so many people sit there patiently and smile and laugh along with the guy, and I decided, if that guy tries this shit on me, I'm not gonna pander to him, appease him, and sit there and laugh and say, "Oh yeah? Haha, that's funny."--it's bullshit, and his personality is bullshit, and it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 02:27 PM
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From my experience, feminists spend practically no energy attacking the men's rights movement, which is probably why r/mensrights and other subs like it don't have to moderate their forums much at all, whereas the inverse is not true; MRAs and redpill guys are often trying to find angles of attack in feminist spaces. The entirety of the men's rights community is 90% focused on attacking feminism. I think that you're broadly projecting nefarity onto the actions of feminists with a few examples in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/02/24 02:18 PM
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So much of BDSM is based on dehumanization, self-deprecation and humiliation. I understand that there are healthy elements involved in the culture, such as a strong emphasis on consent; but even when you can find catharsis in something like that, I don't think of BDSM as a healthy sexual adaptation. I think it's mostly a mental illness, a response to trauma, indicative of someone's personal confusion or a response to the sickness of the world around them. There are elements of BDSM that I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 05:12 AM
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I think that a person's thought life is 100% indicative of their mental health, and I can't imagine anyone making a thread like this unless they were telling on themselves. It's really weird for you to making an argument like, "a person's ability to imagine doing horrible things can be the only thing preventing them from acting on it, which is why we shouldn't be shaming them"; I agree that shame probably isn't going to be helpfup--but the people that you're describing need help, because they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 11:59 PM
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Are you kidding dude? "They wouldn't be teaching it to us." It's one thing to think that women do this as often as men--I'm sure this is a subject that we don't have data on, although from everything we know we can assume that it's much more like that men do this more often. But to come out and say that you think that men are picking up this behavior from women is just unhinged. That on its own is such a strange perversion, to want to avoid accountability by pinning this on women, with no eviden…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 11:54 PM
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I don't know how you jump from "feminism isn't the enemy" to attacking the premise that "feminism is for men too". Feminists are plainly open about the movement being about advocating for the equal advancement of women. Nobody here thinks that there shouldn't be a movement for men; I just happen to think that the MRA community and its focus on attacking feminism isn't pragmatic or responsible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/24 11:36 PM
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Feminists are bigoted against men the way Nazis are bigoted against Jews? Okay buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:40 AM
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I know y'all don't want to believe this, but women consistently show that they have more progressive values than men in research/studies. They're much more ready to change than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 08:38 PM
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The data is clearly correlative, and not necessarily causative, but I don't get the reluctance to believe that increased female leadership could necessarily be causative of peaceful relations given everything that we know about violence according to gender. Just to say that a militarized government would or should become male dominated is an admission to this. Whether you believe that or is because of biology or socialization, or whatever, it's evident that men are disproportionately much more v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 02:45 PM
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This is a criticism that I have of popular feminist sentiments. I don't think that it's useful to think about patriarchy as a system, so much as I think that it's more useful to think of social attitudes stemming from people themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 06:11 AM
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Read the cited studies. There actually is correlative evidence that as leadership in countries across the world becomes saturated by female leadership that they become more peaceful. It's only when women are elected to an executive position that they are more likely to engage in warfare.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/24 06:08 AM
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I snooze on the virtue signaling. 😴
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 05:03 PM
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Yeah, I don't see much point in continuing to talk myself when you clearly have a problem with acknowledging that men are more violent and dangerous than women. I think personal stories like yours are important to understanding some of the problems that men are facing, and although I'm skeptical of some of the personal stories you may have heard, or how innocent Johnny Depp might be, I am open to changing my view on the Duluth model or gaining a more nuanced understanding of the issue. It especi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 11:23 PM
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This is the key thing that I think you should reconsider, I think: No, I don't think that feminists can do no wrong; but on the flip side of this, I think you should consider what it would look like to view feminist/women's action through a lens of good faith. I think that feminists can do wrong, but I think that whatever wrong feminists tend to do will never be adequately addressed while the MRA community is so driven by bad faith. 1) I think that most feminists agree that routine circumcision …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 05:41 PM
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You legitimately believe that we have to DISMANTLE feminism to advance men's rights. What's so absurd about this is that feminists clearly agree with some of the most concrete men's rights issues, such as routine circumcision and an all-male draft.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 05:00 PM
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What's crazy is how this community does nothing but criticize feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 05:37 AM
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That sounds like a really nice compliment to receive. Personally, I can't think of an experience where I've really appreciated a compliment. I don't think it's really my thing. I usually accept them in stride and just get a little bit of amusement out of letting it get to my head. That's just how I personally enjoy compliments.
/r/MenSupportMen24/02/24 02:05 AM
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Criticizing feminism is fine, but by and large there are so few adequate criticisms of feminism, and that's why it's a non-starter. Take this thread for instance: your idea of criticizing feminism is by taking a few perceived problems of the contemporary world (declining birth rates, men not happy with dating) and foisting them onto feminism. It's true that feminism broadly advocated for and continues to advocate for women's liberties, but broadly speaking, women's liberties is something that ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:50 PM
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The "problem" is that you think that your problems should be women's problems. You're openly embracing a reactionary view towards women's liberties. You would think that the manosphere would be trying to obfuscate their reactionary beliefs, but you came right out and said it, and most of the guys here agree with you--women and their reproductive abilities should belong to you, and belong to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:43 PM
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So you admit it, you think the solution to these perceived problems is to attack women's liberties?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:40 PM
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Not everything can be reduced to class struggle. Patriarchy is absolutely a historical phenomenon, and it does your movement absolutely no favors to deny that historical reality. The Western tradition of coverture is a very clear example of this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 05:36 PM
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One point that dismantles everything that you just said: feminists are probably the single group of people who are MOST LIKELY to OPPOSE an all-male draft. The general population is probably less likely to by orders of magnitude believe that. There are a lot of issues that feminists could find solidarity with a men's rights movement, if MRAs weren't so actively engaged in intellectual dishonesty.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 05:35 PM
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You're absolutely right, and MRAs insistence on framing feminism as the source of all of their problems actively undermines the seriousness of their supposed beliefs and intentions. It's a despicable mark on the MRA cause that they can't own up to. You're absolutely not in the wrong here--the community is self-sabotaging and vain.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 05:33 PM
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Stop trying to blame this on feminism. Feminists are far more likely to treat sexual violence against men seriously than the average person, and if it doesn't seem that way it's because MRAs have engaged with feminist spaces in such bad faith. Don't try to make it seem like this problem is as widespread as sexual violence against women, as MRAs often do. We should be able to acknowledge that the most vocal antagonists of treating sexual violence against boys and men less seriously are in fact ot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 05:28 PM
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Hey, that's a decent article, thanks for sharing. It's neat to see researchers with a more typically feminist slant working to bring awareness to issues of domestic violence against men.
/r/MensRights18/02/24 05:09 PM
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"Before the gender wars started.... When everything was perfect.... Man was in perfect balance with his environment."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 02:00 PM
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I agree that we should support men, but you haven't actually done that here. You've just blamed feminism and the left. In order to support someone, you have to actually engage with their emotions and their life story. By blaming everything else, you're just externalizing their problem. You're treating him like he doesn't exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/24 03:20 PM
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That's what you took from this?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:03 PM
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I don't know if you've actually read that study--it's behind a paywall--or the previous studies by the same author (2017), but why would you try to hold this study up as a litmus for what qualifies as a good study? There are so many reasons to think that this is not a great study to draw the kinds of conclusions that you're trying to, in order to discredit the study that I provided. I was not able to access the 2023 study. If you have a link that you'd like to provide that bypasses the paywall, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 05:50 AM
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That's pretty cool. I hope you're successful in that endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:47 AM
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If you genuinely feel this way, you should just leave the community and find other ways to make use of your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:38 AM
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Yeah, I don't think it's just about being nice. That's obviously the baseline of how you should treat everyone. I think the biggest thing that contributes to success in dating, for anyone, is just exposure and being congenial. Second to that is being occupied with your own life, and not putting all of your self worth and desire into finding a partner who you can project all of your dissatisfaction from life and yourself onto, thinking that a partner is going to solve any of that. It would certai…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:35 AM
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Do conservatives actually talk about men's problems, or are they just trying to galvanize men towards reactionary solutions, even if it means manufacturing problems that don't exist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/24 01:12 AM
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That's your insecurity, not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:39 PM
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Even if we're to assume that men are 20% less likely to honestly report that they think they should pay on the first date, and if women are 20% more likely to believe that men should pay on the first date, that brings both numbers into relative equality. The methodology states that the questionnaire was administered online, and we should assume that participants were not being monitored while giving their answers. Even then, it's not taboo for a woman to state that she thinks men should pay on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:32 PM
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Nobody has to take you seriously when you have really stupid opinions like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:51 PM
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https://www.lendingtree.com/credit-cards/study/dating-money-inflation/#:~:text=Regardless%20of%20whether%20they're%20actively%20dating%2C%2044%25%20of,this%20opinion%20than%20women%2C%20though. More than half (54%) of men say the guy should pay for a first date, compared with 36% of women. Following that, 29% of Americans say the person who asked the other on a date should pay, while 22% say costs should be split. Generally, women are more likely to prefer splitting the cost than men — just over…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:23 PM
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That's your personal perversion of what they're saying, because it plays into the way that you feel society wants you to place them on a pedestal, when it truly means the complete opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:40 PM
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Red pill men don't think of women as being normal people. They've developed a skewed concept of their nature from the variety of studies they try to put together to manufacture a specific narrative about women. It's not uncommon for red pill men to think that women are narcissistic manipulators by nature, or any assortment of other odd ideas about female nature and society. Then they come here, not always under the guise of asking for advice, but veiling their problems with women and dating as c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 04:38 PM
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I found one thread, and one post about this in TwoX. This is the first post that shows up for me: PSA for men: When I say no, its not a test, it's a NO. ​ This post seems to be quite emblematic of TwoX's opinion on the idea of 'shit testing', as it doesn't seem that they really endorse this tactic or inspire each other to apply it, and this is what they perceive 'shit testing' to be: In their minds "shit testing" is when you ask them a "loaded" question on purpose because you know they can't ans…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 06:24 PM
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The OP is taking their perception of an experience with women, drawing assumptions about women's psychology, then extrapolating that to women generally. The character that the OP has created is that of a women who is guarded, and expects men to cater to her comforts to draw her trust, and then she'll start to trust you and open up to the point where it's possible to court her. The evidence for this characterization seems to be that women are stand-offish and disinterested in him. Those are a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 05:33 AM
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Hmm. First time I've heard that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:16 AM
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Absolutely. These guys manufacture the wildest narratives. I appreciate that your response is able to cut through the bullshit. The women they make up and establish as the standard are so absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:47 PM
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You can probably just assume that they're not interested, then. That definitely seems like the only responsible thing to do in that situation; at that point, it's not our problem to micromanage a woman's behavior, under the guide of being concerned for what's in her best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:44 PM
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That doesn't sound like a good way to defend yourself from predators at all. It sounds like you're just describing someone who is very emotionally immature, and seemingly entitled. Your attitude is coming across as super unhinged, too, which leads me to question the validity of your perspective. How much of an issue, or how true is what you're trying to say? You say that women aren't a monolith, but do you think that most women are this irresponsible? And do you think that men are irresponsible …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:42 PM
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That's just such a weird, distorted way of thinking about... social situations? I've never been around a woman and thought, "She's got her guard up. She's not worth my time." I've always just thought of them as regular people, and got on with them as far as we actually click. I don't know how bringing a psychopath from a movie into this topic is helping clarify anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:37 PM
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Totally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:19 PM
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I think the issue is that women shouldn't be beholden to serving a reproductive burden for the sake of society, not the problems with establishing that expectation as a precedent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:16 PM
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Your dad, obv. 🤯
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:17 PM
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It sounds like you really don't know who you are, or don't accept yourself. This shouldn't even be a black or white question; you still don't really know this man and who he would be in a relationship.
/r/RedPillWomen11/02/24 01:29 PM
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Of women, obv.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:51 AM
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I agree that people who are saying that are missing the point, but we can't honestly jump to the conclusion that it's because women are gravitating towards STD riddled Chads. You've got to have more intellectual integrity than that, because the data does not simply support that conclusion. I haven't looked at whatever data is being cited here, but there are a ton of conflating factors. For example, which demographic are we talking about? Is this among the U.S. population? I have a feeling we're …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:47 AM
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Be less envious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:42 AM
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"Typical dishonest bluepiller." Really? Are we actually there in this discourse? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:41 AM
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I think listening to guys like you is detrimental to our species, and to the world at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:36 AM
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Who are these men sleeping around with, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:28 AM
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What's your opposition to what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 05:23 AM
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I think that guys will end up maturing a lot into the end of the decade, coming to terms with a world where women are at liberty and hold a significant amount of economic, social and political power. I think we'll see a lot of this reactionary sentiment start to shed away, as it's becoming very clear just how futile it is to try to reclaim control over women. I have a prediction that MRAs and RP men will start to shift their focus from women towards "men who are simps" this year. Rather than con…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 01:45 AM
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I think the whole direction of this sub is wholly cursed. I don't think it's even productive to focus on feminism as far as men's issues go, but that's 90%+ of what this sub has always been about, and what it's always going to be about for as long as MRAs are around.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 12:43 AM
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I see this sentiment echoed, that women expect men to take on a traditional gender role while lavishing in their own newfound liberty; but is this actually true, outside of your personal experience? https://www.lendingtree.com/credit-cards/study/dating-money-inflation/ As far as first dates go, men are substantially more likely to believe that a man should pay on the first date, while women are substantially more likely to believe that who invites the other should pay, or that the price should b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/24 01:55 AM
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u/country2poplarbeef (I can't reply to your comment in this thread) I think that it's possible to make a strong case that women do not have an equal role in garnering violent behaviors in men. Beyond there being little reason to think this is true, studies show that increased prevalence of women in legislative roles, and the increased prevalence of women's liberties are strongly correlated to more peaceful societies. These studies also show us that women are more likely to advocate for peaceful …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 06:43 AM
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I second this question. Is the perception that women use sex as a weapon against men justified, or is a mask for something else, like envy, or for a lack of men taking responsibility for the ways in which they fetishize women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:37 AM
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u/Cooldude638 (I can't reply to your comment in this thread) Does the idea of this demonization ratio also apply to the way that men's rights and advocacy groups represent feminism, do you think? I've been a part of these communities for a long time, and it seems to me that MRAs are more than willing to let the worst representations of feminism to define the entire movement, while ignoring the vast majority of grounded and rational feminists, most of whom can find solid grounds for solidarity wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 02:04 AM
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Women are not shielded from violence, and I think that your misrepresentations and denial of the problem of masculine violence lends credence to feminist critiques of masculinity and power structures that are male-dominant. Men are three times more likely to be perpetrators of penetrative sexual violence (rape/MTP), and that's about the rate at which women are victimized (3x more often) considering that the dominant target of male perpetrated sexual violence is women, and the dominant target of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/24 07:53 PM
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My answer would be that feminism doesn't have the transformation men into an object of resentment or demonization as its end goal. I think that feminism, often, offers a salient critique of men as a gender group, who predominantly are responsible for perpetuating violent crime, and that it's responsible to be able to acknowledge that; but that it isn't indicative of unreasonable resentment or the demonization of men. Let's say that feminists said, "yes, we resent and demonize men; but if men as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/24 03:25 PM
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What does this have to do with feminism? Why are we blaming feminism in the absence of having a healthy movement for boys and young men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/24 11:59 AM
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Display some leadership and host for a hobby group. Meetup is an amazing place to meet people. Learn a new language or something. Not only will you have a big community of people online and offline who are interested in connecting, but you'll be expanding your travel and career options, too. Get involved with your life and find something that will take you somewhere in life. You could literally get super into pickleball and find some banger potential partners. You might need to move, depending o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 12:04 AM
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This burn is of the utmost sickness!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 08:45 PM
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Based on CDC data that I analyzed, even when accounting for made-to-penetrate statistics, men are still three times more likely to commit penetrative sexual assault. When it comes to the impact reports of sexual violence, the consequences of sexual violence against women is more severe on every level; they experience more harm, are murdered at a higher rate, experience more fear, and contract STD's more frequently. I don't think that people are pretending that women can't be sexually abusive or …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:29 PM
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Maybe you just can't believe how typical it is for men to sexually assault women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:19 AM
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I don't know about reading, but here are a few videos where I think where men respond to relationship stories or give healthy advice: Smosh's Shayne Topp hosts Reddit stories, where relationships are discussed: https://youtu.be/qzY6gh8_XUY?si=7ynh8dyHvrvOx4fh Stavros Halkias and Mateo Lane respond to caller's messages, offering life and relationship advice: https://youtu.be/XDmRdisUMpA?si=yFbiBcZPcdDIRyYG?t=1h2m50s Stavros Halkias on First Date with Lauren Compton: https://youtu.be/JZTv-NmO_Qg?s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:13 PM
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I think kindness is actually one of the big things that women are looking for. On its own, I think it stands as one of the most important traits. Of course, the reality is that kind people are attracted to kind people. It's not just a women thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 12:55 AM
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Nah, bro. I know someone exactly like that. Just a normal person who is congenial. He's just a good guy, really mature and confident in himself, safe and open and he has a really easy time finding friends and community, and a really easy time finding romantic partners despite that he's the complete opposite of the red pill ideal. The fact that he's an actor has nothing to do with his status; it's just a fun thing he does on the side in community. The community could as easily be language learnin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:34 PM
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It has way more to do about how congenial you are. As long as you run in a social circle with people that are generally like you, you'll find women who are DTF and in fact in love with you. The problem is when you don't have that kind of connection or circle of friends naturally, your friend groups are all just guys, you have way higher standards than are realistic for you, or your only hobby is being a bitter, lonely guy online so that you just never meet anyone who has a personality. Let's say…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:21 PM
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It's just not true. There are so many people who are generally just very kind and find very kind and considerate partners that they're happy with, and one day you might run into a girl you think you might vibe with and, oh, yep, it turns out she's been married to the same nice guy for years and years. Listen, nobody is perfect, not women either; but some people actually aren't abusive assholes, and that's not what men or women are looking for--that's what nice people are looking for. Truly whole…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 01:05 PM
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Woah, men who are manipulative, Machiavellian and controlling are able to get into relationships with women and abuse them?! That's crazy! Women must be attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:37 PM
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Yeah, I think it's a little more complicated than that, but I don't think that Mel is motivated by the freedom to have sex with any guy she wants. It's pretty clear that it was always Steven the one who wanted an open relationship so that he had the freedom to have sex with anyone that he wanted. I agree that he often treated her like shit, and I think maybe things would have worked out if he could have given her more attention. He's claimed from the start that his work was a priority to him. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:22 AM
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Sure, you can criticize him for being wrong about the strength of his marriage. Obviously that's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 10:20 PM
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What was his advice? Was it that you should have an open relationship? No, his advice was that an open relationship probably isn't going to work for you, because it doesn't work for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 10:13 PM
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Why would you assume that, just because I know something and am able to more accurately represent his point of view than the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 10:12 PM
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You left out several key details here, or misrepresented his situation. He wasn't upset at her for "sleeping with other guys"; he was upset with her for a combination of reasons, including having a relationship with a manipulative douchebag, and for constantly talking bad about him to her friends. Second of all, yes, Melina did ask him for that money, but after signing a post-nup and paying him back over $100,000. Another thing, Melina does not care about living in the U.S. at all. I'd rather no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 09:59 PM
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This is reactionary and unsubstantiated drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:14 AM
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I think the point of what is being debated is that the woman is the one with the choice to abort the child, though. If she doesn't want to support it, she can make that choice. The father can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 05:34 PM
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I tend to think that the internet has actually made people more connected than ever, especially in regards to the increased exposure that we have to what other kinds of people and ideas exist out in the world. I think, if anything, exposure to more people through the internet has made people more picky about who they hang out with, or that people prefer an online community to an offline community. I'm not sure how deep or meaningful the connections that people used to make really were, when they…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 08:32 PM
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I don't think we can only blame pornography, and say that's the hitch in the otherwise perfect plan. I've been a part of a Christian-based sexual sobriety group, and there were a lot of really great guys that I knew there. I think the fact that they showed up with the desire to change is a testament to their desire for change, for sure. But I'm not sure if I could count a single guy from those groups who I think would have tried harder to change if their wife was bending over backwards to gratif…
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/24 05:34 PM
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I feel like this is going to end up being the experience of a lot of RP women, who give and give sexually, without getting what they give in return. It seems like most people don't want to accept that it was the RP that did this, but frankly, it seems like that's exactly what it's done. How were you supposed to know this is what you would get out of the relationship, after being told that giving everything you have was going to make this better?
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/24 01:28 AM
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I crunched the averages from the 2023 study (https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/) and I got 44.55 hours for men and 48.02 for women. But it looks like you're correct that the study omits other activities defined by the ATUS under other categories other than housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:42 PM
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Wow, bro. From where you started to where you ended up in this discussion is wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:57 PM
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I'm so sick of tapping my screen. If only we could wish these people away.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 04:39 PM
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You guys aren't really advocating for men, here. It's like you're rather encouraging mental illness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/23 12:34 AM
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Lol? Nah, OP was right. Women are gonna live in a utopia with their AI robot boyfriend, meanwhile guys are still seething, insisting that they're going their own way, beating the shit out of their AI sex dolls and going through like ten a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:33 PM
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While it's well accepted that women initiate in DV at the same rate as men, there's absolutely no contest to the data that we have which shows that the impact of male-on-female violence in DV situations is extremely disproportionate to female-on-male. Women by large experience far more severe effects from DV than men, including a much higher rate of being murdered. That's the only reasonable dispute that I'm aware of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/23 07:00 PM
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That's not biology, it's a choice. If it's a choice that you make, just own up to it; but the impression I'm getting is that the OP doesn't have any connection to women outside of fantasizing about them sexually, and as I've said, I think that only serves to alienate him from the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/23 02:06 AM
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You're sitting here spouting the idea that women are utterly callous towards LVMs. You have no concept of how out-of-touch you sound. Work on your health, mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 07:34 PM
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It's difficult to show empathy towards a people that are intent on weaponizing your empathy against you. You start to show empathy and suddenly you're validating their insane theories about how women are succubi that compel men to go to war so they can have sex with the victors. You just don't show these men empathy because they are inauthentic scum bags, masquerading as victims. It's never just about how you feel, it's always couched in harmful ideas about women. Also, the gender class of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:24 PM
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All they could talk about is women lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:20 PM
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Thanks for choosing kind words.... A lot of the men that end up here are in the denial stage of grief. We're hoping that some of them might be about to recover by the end of the decade. :mothertheresagif:
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 04:19 PM
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I see how you could think that, if your idea of being a leftist meant fostering a victim complex, and if you were trying to emulate the worst elements of feminism in the men's rights community.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/23 12:06 PM
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Is it? Where do you get that idea? Where does that come from? From what I understand, positive masculinity is about being emotionally intelligent, treating others with respect, taking responsibility for one's actions, having healthy relationships, being able to express vulnerability, asking for help, practicing self-care, and demonstrating strength through kindness. To me, the idea of positive masculinity is a response to toxic traits that have defined masculinity in the past. I don't know who y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/23 08:29 PM
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I don't know what the authors of that article think, but I absolutely think you should stop imagining women that you see in the real world, or that you know, naked, imagine having sex with them, and especially checking them out. While it doesn't necessarily cause harm to the world, it does reflect the way that you relate to the world, and the act of sexualizing real women alienates you from the world that you're living in. As for checking women out, specifically, though, I think this does cause …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/23 05:47 PM
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Probably because men generally don't care much about positive masculinity, but women feel the repercussions of it and are more vocal about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/23 06:55 PM
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I think this is such BS. I think most older women have simply learned from personal experience that men are perfectly willing to sit on their asses and let women do all of the housework, even mooch on their finances, and don't have much faith in men's "potential". I think a lot of guys are much less willing to settle for an ordinary life, and aren't willing to put in much effort to make a simple life function.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:47 AM
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My advice is to stop worrying about gender politics, and that includes leaving men's rights forums, too, because they typically just foster outrage. If you're looking for a good sub to join, I would suggest bropill, but I think that you would probably be considered radical there. Maybe mensupportingmen would be better for you. There are a lot better ways to spend your time and your energy, I think, than in a constant attempt to validate your indignation over what feminists think or do. I think y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/23 03:43 AM
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Sounds like your boyfriend is pretty awesome. I think that you shouldn't worry about it, and that you probably have a lot more room for personal growth that can change the way that you think about yourself, your life and your future. You certainly don't have to work your whole life, but the opportunities that you have available to you now are an asset in your life that you should be grateful to be able to leverage. The one thing I will say is that I think your sense of personal value is way too …
/r/RedPillWomen14/12/23 01:09 AM
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Counter point: men who say that they can't find a girlfriend just have very high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 01:03 AM
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Like no conception of how societal expectations based on gender and failure to reach them doesn't affect us mentally in-spite of their rallying cry against beauty standards and for body positivity WTF does this mean in any reasonable or practicable terms? Women had a body positivity movement--men can have a body positivity movement, too. I think a big part of the problem with having this "woe is men, we don't get a grief/sympathy movement" attitude is that there are SOOOOOOO many guys, online, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 10:03 PM
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Soy Boys, represent!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/23 07:18 PM
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Lmfao, I know, right? These guys are on some strong shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 05:30 PM
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Dude, it is absurd how far you are reaching. To me, it's evident by the fact that you're willing to make this argument that you are just as passionate about protecting creepy guys as you are about your right to film teenage upskirt videos. Trying to equate these two scenarios is insane; on one hand you have creepy guys who think they can get away with making people uncomfortable and being complete perverts in public, and on the other you have women holding them accountable and trying to make the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:20 PM
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Thanks, I appreciate it. There's only so much of this forum that I can tolerate and put any of my attention towards. I like to think that my perspective is pushing the narrative closer to the truth, and that what I say has some effect on the guys who are reading it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:39 PM
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Has it? Or are a lot of these 'nice guys' actually pretty toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 01:18 AM
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You conduct yourself like an ass. You'll come in here and say something like, "Women vote for men's behavior with their pussy," and then say, "Don't make things personal." It's like you're trying to weaponize social conventions to get away with being "the ick", while trying to hold someone else accountable for violating a well-understood faux-pas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 10:14 PM
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I think you're intentionally misconstruing the intended definition of toxic masculinity because you're afraid to steelman your opposition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/23 06:48 PM
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Or just be a normal, respectful person. Not someone who is demanding or selfish. It's crazy how you interpreted that so poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 06:09 PM
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Seems like you're projecting, to me. I think women probably think that you're ick because of your off-putting personality. A lot of women have probably been attracted to feminine men in the past, just like the person you're responding to alludes to. There are so many example of pop culture icons who have deeply 'feminine' qualities that women clearly found very attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:33 PM
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- If you really want to see this trend, look at how a lot more men are becoming insecure, powerless, and vulnerable to far-right movements. This is due to confusion and displacement because all of the above happened in only a couple of years. If we look back to 2019 even; leggings, long hair, edgy memes, trap music, open misogyny, sports, action-packed superhero movies, and other male-oriented things made up the zeitgeist. I disagree with this notion, which underlines the vibe of your entire pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:27 PM
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Right, exactly. You're trying to say that the analogy is unfair because you believe that women are just as bad as men; but you're totally unwilling to consider that maybe it's not nearly as difficult as you think for men to enter into relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:34 PM
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Crazy how much bias you're willing to give to one side of the analogy. It's like you just want to hold onto your indignation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:16 AM
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Lol? Most guys don't deserve much, either, if you're going to have that attitude. Anyone who expects 'chivalry' is pretty shallow in my book to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 05:06 AM
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lmao, you're being a jackass If you behave like this, you are the punchline of a joke. You're behaving like the guy that every woman complains about, and you literally have no values or morals. This is a troll post 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 06:49 PM
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"Vigilante bills", lol, I'm like, what is this? Your husband shot someone and is paying a racket in the court claiming self-defense?
/r/RedPillWomen25/11/23 04:52 PM
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No, not at all. I think that feminists have faced real, institutional and social oppression. I think that the challenges faced by men in the modern day, by comparison, are mostly suffering from a lack of competency when it comes to adapting to the modern world. But, there are things that men can do, if they want to, that emulate the success that feminists have had in the past--such as creating men's health and advocacy groups, non-profits for men's scholarships, etc, men who advocate for men's c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:53 PM
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Okay bro, have a great day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:58 PM
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Going back to my point, I'm all for creating a community of men that can't express true vulnerability, but I don't think that's what you're doing here, and quite frankly, I don't think this is really the context where that happens. There's bropill, there's menslib--those are good places. But what do you expect? You rightly point out that the problem of male disposability isn't exclusive to women, but how do you think that men are supposed to change that unless we're willing to change that paradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:49 PM
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Please, men treat men like this a hundred times worse and a hundred times more frequently than women do. The reason that there is a culture of vulnerability surrounding women is because women created that culture of vulnerability. Men just have a culture of yelling racist slurs at the top of their lungs over X-Box live.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 02:02 PM
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That would be great. Bearing and raising children is arguably the most productive commodity that has and ever can be provided for the economy. It's just extremely convenient that it happens to be a natural functions of humanity that we've gotten away with not rewarding economically for a very long time. 100k sounds like a super reasonable rate for being a full time parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 03:39 AM
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It's a nightmare, bro. This subreddit is like sand paper for the brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:36 PM
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This is very incomprehensible, in English. I'm assuming this isn't your first language; but do you honestly think that any of this is what feminism has advocated for throughout the years? Because when I think of feminism, what I think of is: Equal rights, equality in the work place, equality in the family, and asking men not to degrade, abuse and assault them. ​ Let's say, though, that women have asked men to be: A) More emotionally available, B) More present in their relationships, C) Less miso…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:09 PM
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Why do you think that women have asked men to change in the past? I'm serious--I want you to think about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:16 PM
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Are you just complaining that women are prudes that don't put out? Or that they're too much of sluts? Or are you accusing them of being systemically or socially oppressive? Because you need to find some way to reconcile the comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:58 PM
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Your happiness is your responsibility, bottom line. For as long as you don't have a partner, this is the only advice that can help you at all--nobody owes you a relationship. We're not going to restructure civilization to artificially make you more attractive to potential partners, or to coerce them to have a relationship with you. What do you expect from people? To sit here and coddle you because you're lonely, despite the sheer absence of your vulnerability, and of the manosphere/male-loneline…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:54 PM
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You're grappling with two things here: your personal desires, and your material needs. I can't say that one is more important than the other--but I can tell you that they're both important, and that anything that you decide without considering the other is doomed to fail eventually. This is my advice, and I think this is the only advice that you need: be honest with the man that you're talking with. The impression that I get is that he won't approve of what you've done or how you feel--but that'…
/r/RedPillWomen21/11/23 05:46 PM
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I don't think that you're remotely approaching the origin of shame surrounding women's sexuality. You're just projecting smooth brain red pill philosophy onto cultural tropes to twist a narrative that furthers the smooth brain ideology. Nobody has ever slut shamed women because it's not an impressive feat for them to have sex with a ton of dudes--that has never ever been the point of slut shaming. I think it's so sick that men come into this sub and try to inject the most irrational level of nua…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:59 AM
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Nah. No shot. Men are socialized by the most absurd forms of pornography. Women are literally socialized by being sexually assaulted and sexually objectified. MTP and female gaze are underrepresented in public discourse, but saying they're just as creepy men is definitely not true. Even if they wanted to be as creepy, they just aren't personally as empowered to be. Every statistic that we have on stalking, sexual abuse, etc, is still dominated by men--especially the impact reports on those stati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:24 PM
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Pretty much what a lot of women are doing, yeah. I'm pretty sure that's what our recent data on dating shows us--it's a "loneliness epidemic" for men, while women casually drop out of the dating space.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:00 PM
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My advice would be, that you don't have to change who you are and how you behave--but I think you should be assertive in making your thoughts clear to guys that you're interested in, and take that initiative yourself. I think for anyone who is interested in other people, whether they're men or women, the most effective thing you can do is to be straightforward about how you feel; standing back and waiting doesn't seem like an effective strategy to me. This is about what you want, and if other pe…
/r/RedPillWomen19/11/23 05:29 PM
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Yeah, well don't let other people define your happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 04:32 PM
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I completely disagree. I tend to think it's more likely that young people know jack shit about love. For me, love is a very conscious thing, so maybe we're just idealizing different things here, but I think most young people in love are just fucking around without giving it any serious thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 04:30 PM
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The woman that every red pill guy imagines is some version of the dark triad girl. She's narcissistic, Machiavellian and psychopathic. That's pretty much the only kind of woman that red pill guys are attracted to, or even think that exist. All of the manosphere spaces think that women are out of their minds and can't help but lying and trying to fuck them over, looking out only for themselves in the most selfish way possible. Also, men have a huge thing for the Megan Fox aesthetic, bad girls, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 06:14 PM
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I think that Steven Universe is a good one. He's like an emotionally vulnerable character where women have an equal stake in things, where violence isn't the ultimate solution to all of his problems. Adventure Time is probably another one that's more about friendship than like Batman, G.I. Joe, etc. We still have those shows, but we've also had shows like Kim Possible and the Powerpuff girls which show women kicking ass, too. Shows that I had growing up were like, Gargoyles, Dennis the Menace, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:26 PM
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I think that's an example that exemplifies the way that boys have been taught how to deal with their emotions and to deal with conflict. It's just a tangible example; but I also see the culture changing on all of these issues. F.E., there are more cartoons these days that teach boys how to express themselves in healthy ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:48 PM
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By today's standards, yeah, there are. Guys have been raised forever with toys and cartoons that teach them that war and violence defines their value as men. They grow up with access to pornography that has catered to the desires of men, made by men for men. For a long time, boys have been raised with the expectation that they would get specialized high-paying jobs to provide for their families. By contrast, girls have been raised with toys and cartoons that teach them that their value is in bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:58 PM
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Super skewed proportion of scale when you're talking about rich guys. If women were the predominant earners of high incomes, there's nothing to indicate that it wouldn't be normal for older women to typically date down. The fact is, with the way that our culture is evolving, it's impossible to dissect nature from the state of civilization in a state of change. There are a ton of young guys who are interested in older women, as well as increasing trends of high earning women dating dead beat guys…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:14 AM
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Omg, why do I even bother reading any of this crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:16 PM
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The one thing I would challenge about your view--from a skim--is that we shouldn't accept the idea that a porn career should ruin your professional career. I think we should challenge that narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:46 PM
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Well, I also think that the military should reinvent its training ethos, so I agree with the person you're responding to. In fact, I believe that people, but men specifically, shouldn't be able to own a firearm until they're 25. I don't think that most guys really start to mature intellectually until they're around 25-30. The military shouldn't have to rely on Jedi mind games to manipulate kids into martyrdom. I think that the military should be an ideologically grounded service.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:45 PM
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Love becomes an aspect of your identity unlike many other things in your life. Being confident in who you are and reconciling the fact that exterior information won't change who you are, or what you feel, is an attractive quality to possess. Life is, for many, not just a matter of gaining greater or more perfect material circumstances; it's an endeavor where you learn to care for and take care of people and things on a personal level. Knowing that you love someone, and that they love you, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:29 PM
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You might as well tell her if it's not too difficult to reach her. That's just the polite thing to do; don't know why everyone thinks you're a drama queen for thinking about telling her. Wouldn't you want someone to tell you if your partner was cheating on you? You don't have to convince her of anything; just put the ball in her court and let her decide how to react. And to the person shaming you and trying to make you believe that your life only gets worse from here? Such a bad look--does that …
/r/RedPillWomen10/11/23 09:37 PM
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Oh, I'm sorry--was there a man who came in here with his own personal story that I'm responding to? I was under the impression that we were talking generally about people. Maybe you can understand how this can be generally true, like it's generally true to say that in the state of things that men are generally more violent than women. If guys are looking for answers as to why women don't want to date them, maybe they should listen to what women are saying--am I way out of line and being insensit…
/r/ExRedPill01/11/23 03:31 PM
55

You've got some great answers, but I'll just add that it's pretty obvious that men aren't listening to women when it comes to what they're looking for in a relationship. Over and over we hear women talking about how their partners are abusive, don't take care of the chores, and aren't concerned with their sexual pleasure. We see these posts every day on TwoX, but based on the redpill, you would think that there would be posts every day asking if women think they can find taller and wealthier par…
/r/ExRedPill01/11/23 04:32 AM
6

You should put some more thought into how you can be a healthier, more functional person, rather than wasting your time figuring out how you can blame women for everything that's wrong with your world.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 06:39 PM
-2

Ugh, this community is so toxic. Y'all are fuggin' crazy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/23 11:13 AM
10

Lol, this is such a paranoid opinion, bro. I'm sure some women might do this, but why the duck are you so hung up on this shit? You have such a perverse concept of women as a gender. If you're upset with the way your partner dresses, then you need to have a conversation with them and be prepared to leave the relationship in order to uphold your boundaries. That would be a much more mature thing to do than to sit here schizo-posting about female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:40 AM
1

I see what you're saying, but I don't think you're focusing on the right things. Feminism has benefitted women because women fought for their rights in a world dominated by men. Still, today, there are a majority of men in political, legal, military and law enforcement positions. Men still have the most money in society. What these men's rights, red pill, etc movements get wrong is that they presume that women have something to do with the problems that men are facing, when more likely, either m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:50 PM
1

Pfffff. You're going through the struggle right now, brother. Alienated, isolated--I think at this point it comes down to chance whether you survive and for how long. I was lucky to have a lot of financial support from my mom when I was at my lowest. It took a long time for me to find any form of stability, and longer to find myself and my maturity. I can see a lot of other ways my life could have gone that would have ended in jail, or in death. Lots of people close to me have died--this is real…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:08 AM
3

That's a big part of it, but I think we can also assume that manipulative, deceptive, and Machiavellian men do end up with women who have succumbed to their perfidy. We see this a lot in TwoX with women talking about men putting on airs for months or years before flipping a switch and showing their true colors--it's kind of the nature of those 'dark triad' traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:05 PM
1

If a woman is mocking your penis size, it probably has more to do with you being an asshole than it is about your actual penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:41 PM
3

Imagine.... Imagine.... If this sub wasn't filled with the stupidest bullshit you could possibly imagine? Imagine if you had a healthy hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 09:40 PM
3

This is dumb as shit, but I give it points for having a colorful Minecraft analogy. I think that women aren't complaining about not being successful in dating--I think their complaint is that most men are shitty partners and are not what they're looking for, sexually, domestically or otherwise. Their advice seems to be really clear--because this is like every TwoX thread ever: We're talking, not being misogynistic, not being jealous of their success, not being controlling, having healthy boundar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:15 PM
1

I don't think that the modern liberal man, existing within the context of an advanced economy and a much expanded social stratum, resembles in any way a man who could be considered 'wealthy' or 'famous' from the 'Upper Paleolithic' era. There's absolutely nothing substantial to qualify the assertions that you're making, and every reasonable shred of evidence seems to blatantly contradict it, so that you have to continuously come up with excuses to justify such a heinous idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:23 AM
8

You're trying to present such a biased and whitewashed perspective on the issue, by suggesting that men don't try because they don't get what they want out of a relationship. But if you actually listen to the complaints coming from women, you mostly see that men do get what they want--a bang maid (who they fail to please sexually, while taking their O)--and the woman leaves their ass because they're so sloppy and inconsiderate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:28 AM
1

Damn, women must be the most rational creatures ever to base their physical attraction off of what they know. ​ That's sarcasm, but seriously, you guys are so ridiculous, and you're in such denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 01:17 AM
1

I have never in my life seen women shame men for their supposed virginess that I can remember; but I can sure as shit remember instances where men have shamed other men for being virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:45 AM
0

I have never in my life seen women shame men for their supposed virginess that I can remember; but I can sure as shit remember instances where men have shamed other men for being virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 12:45 AM
5

You guys are so messed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:28 PM
2

Good. Give up on dating. You're so deluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 05:25 PM
2

Telling you that he misses you is words AF, I'm not making any excuses.
/r/RedPillWomen25/09/23 12:43 AM
1

If that's bothering you, the best way to handle that, I think, is to tell him very straight forward how you feel about him, followed by telling him that he needs to work through his self-confidence issues. Ultimately this is an issue of whether he can trust that you actually like him or not. Simply trying to reassure him isn't going to solve the problem--that's why you have to be straight forward and honest, while making it clear that this is a boundary that you have.
/r/RedPillWomen06/09/23 06:54 AM
7

"It says something that they haven't been cunning enough to overcome subjugation." Wow, people can really just write anything, can't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:50 PM
-1

I'm generalizing MRAs based on my own experiences here. From my perspective, there are so few of you guys that are reasonable to any degree, or are even genuine in your pursuit for men's health; it's almost always about tearing feminism down and not building men up in any way. I don't consider myself a feminist, but my experience with feminists has been a much more positive experience. I'm still critical of them in many ways, but overall they seem much more rational and good faith (at least femi…
/r/MensRights19/06/23 11:04 AM
0

Yeah it does, especially in the context of what they were saying--you guys want to believe that if feminists were in charge they'd be happily sending men off to die for them. If men assuming hegemonic power are sending men off to die, why aren't you guys talking about them the way you talk about feminists? The answer seems pretty obvious--you don't actually care that most men are obstacles in the way of progress, because progress isn't actually the goal here; it's just to vilify feminism.
/r/MensRights19/06/23 10:40 AM
2

What you just said doesn't make any sense. The bad faith arguments that I see on this forum are up voted by the userbase, not down voted.
/r/MensRights19/06/23 10:38 AM
1

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/14cmzp6/why_do_so_many_men_hate_this_sub/jonxe9z?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button This is my follow up response to the other person.
/r/MensRights19/06/23 04:18 AM
-1

Immediately I can point out the skewed statistics cited in the second link where the author claims that men are made to penetrate as often as women are raped. This is taking one statistic, year-of reporting, for one reporting period (granted it is a big sample size) to make this claim. The same study cites lifetime MTP and rape cases and shows that men are perpetrators of sexual assault at, iirc, a rate 4 times of that of women. MRAs try to pass this statistic off by saying that year-of is gener…
/r/MensRights19/06/23 04:14 AM
-2

A few pieces of misinformation from that thread, just from what little I've bothered to sort through--1) Lois Waisbrooker never advocated for the genocide / reduction of the male population in her book A Sex Revolution. (It's true that Sally Miller Gearheart, did), 2) Elizabeth Wilks husband did not die a few months after getting out of jail; they remained happily married for decades afterwards, and it was the suffragettes who were petitioning daily that he be released from jail and who cheered …
/r/MensRights19/06/23 03:43 AM
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That's such a horrible thread full of bad faith and misinformation and is not indicative of how most feminists feel. Go ask r/askfeminists what they think about circumcision. Most of the responses are probably going to tell you that they disagree with it. The last section says, "other examples of feminists being cunts"--you guys can do better than this thread, and you can be more honest with yourself about where your movement is at and how delusional your perceptions of feminists are.
/r/MensRights19/06/23 02:15 AM
-8

Most guys here are deluded about a lot of things and are implicitly bad faith when it comes to feminism. Just a brief overview: MRAs claiming that women sexually assault men at the same rate as men by cherry picking a single statistic while ignoring all of the others. MRAs citing statistics showing that women engage in physical abuse as often as men without ever talking about the impact reports and murder rates in domestic abuse situations. MRAs accusing feminists of hating men citing gender bia…
/r/MensRights19/06/23 12:54 AM
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Hey, I appreciate the response. My opinion is based on a lot of time that I've spent here talking with MRAs. I believe there's an incredibly small minority of MRAs that operate in good faith. I think I have done exactly that, pointing MRAs to where they are wrong, and for it I've probably accumulated more than -5,000 karma. I think there is something seriously wrong with this movement and with most of the men who are active here.
/r/MensRights18/06/23 11:37 PM
-39

I've seen so many bad faith arguments on these forums by nearly the entire user base that I don't put much stock into that response.
/r/MensRights18/06/23 10:42 PM
-49

There's something positive to be said about the moderation here, but you're mistaken to think that the guys here are open-minded. You're calling this propaganda and I have 66 down votes. You guys are so close-minded.
/r/MensRights18/06/23 10:21 PM
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Feminists welcome questions over on r/askfeminists; I've seen a few guys bring up typical MRA talking points over there, and they mostly don't appreciate receiving such strong responses. I think most guys here are afraid of r/askfeminists because having their views challenged their pokes a lot of holes in the delusions they've fostered in their head. One thing you'll see guys say here is, "Women are all for equal rights, but when it comes to war they're more than willing to send men to die." I r…
/r/MensRights18/06/23 05:51 PM
5

Alright! Spend time on it and I'm sure a lot of people will really appreciate your effort!
/r/MensRights16/06/23 04:39 PM
3

I'm glad you help! Do you know when you're presenting?
/r/MensRights16/06/23 04:07 PM
1

"Hey I'm here to talk about men's health--women aren't victims of domestic abuse y'all."
/r/MensRights16/06/23 02:45 PM
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https://www.verywellmind.com/where-do-men-fit-into-the-body-positivity-movement-5496295 Here's something I found about body positivity for men that cites a couple of studies. Body positivity should be something important to touch on, I think. Masculinity, Social Connectedness, and Mental Health: Men’s Diverse Patterns of Practice: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6142169/ I found this paper--this could be great for taking notes and finding further studies. A lot of mental health advi…
/r/MensRights16/06/23 02:40 PM
2

Wow--this is great energy to take to an assembly. I'm sure all the students will have such a great impression of MRAs as they're leaving. Seriously, dude?
/r/MensRights16/06/23 02:09 PM
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Major cope for why you can't be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:07 PM
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Yes, I'm saying that sex isn't necessary to your emotional well-being, and that living without sex is something that you can mature through and be a healthy and functional human-being regardless of. Desire for sex isn't a mental illness; but externalizing all of your problems and blaming the world for not being able to have sex is a mental illness. I'm challenging the notion that sex as a need is an ineffable aspect of our nature that we have no control over, which is a difficult concept to gras…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:27 PM
1

Sure, but a lot of men are clearly misogynist and it isn't helping them up to form relationships with women, and PPD, red pill and other communities are only leaning into unhealthy beliefs and perceptions regarding sex and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:16 PM
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You're getting lazy with the responses. It seems like you weren't able to read my response in context and only had the attention span to latch on to little snippets that caused a disgust reaction in you. Supporting women's liberty to have sex with who they want isn't sex negative--unless you're really going down that route of suggesting that given a choice women won't have sex with men. This isn't sex negative in any capacity and it seems like you're trying to say in a roundabout way that sex is…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:14 PM
3

"All I care about is the ineffable truth that civilization will collapse if women don't give me sex!"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:29 PM
4

You can keep repeating it, but that doesn't make it true. You are the worst and only person to make this argument. I have no doubt that after anyone reads this that they would see you exposed for exactly how I present you, as much as you try to obfuscate with excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:12 PM
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Sex and having a connection with someone are definitely mutually exclusive. Everything requires emotion--that doesn't mean that it has to be healthy emotion; emotions can just as likely be unhealthy. Sex doesn't necessarily bring you any closer to someone. In fact, it can just as likely bring you further apart. Men are utterly split when it comes to the idea of needing to feel connected to anyone. Lots of guys online are saying that men are built to be isolated. I think ultimately men will just …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:10 PM
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"Could it get violent? Yeah. Nobody wants it to get violent! We're just saying women should probably start putting out or else things could start getting bad quick! Facts!"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:51 PM
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Hooo boy, you're coping so hard. I really blew your lid open with this one, didn't I? "It's just a fact! Words aren't dangerous!" First of all, the decision to get violent because of a lack of sex is a personal choice--not a biological imperative; but you want us to believe that it's a biological and historical imperative, because this advances your Jihadist ideology. Along with your divisive language and your insistence on blaming women, it is your hope and your vision of a world where women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:15 PM
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What guys are doing, though, is saying, "It's women's fault that men aren't getting sex, and let me tell you, a repressed male population is very dangerous! Women will regret this one day when young men start to get very violent and take things into their own hands.", which is no different than Tucker Carlson saying, "If America decides to keep this level of Weimar Degeneracy then we're going to end up electing the next Hitler. We've got to clean up our country and stop LGBTQ people from corrupt…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:38 PM
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Want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:29 PM
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A need for love is not equivalent to a need for sex. They're mutually exclusive. If a woman says she needs love and just wants money, then she is saying she needs money, not love. If having a human connection is what you guys meant, then you could have said that; I'd still be skeptical. My thoughts would be that when guys say this, that what they're looking for is a girl who is as equally isolated as they are who they can become codependent and controlling with. That tends to be what young guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:28 PM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:19 PM
1

Yeah, that's a great anecdote. Most of the girls you think represent women overall are social media girls that you see on Fresh & Fit. Also, there are narcissistic and Machiavellian women, too, and they're probably just looking for sex and money, too. At some point you guys should just admit that you're not attracted to most women, just like most of them aren't attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 01:52 AM
2

Alright. I'm editing my post in light of this revelation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:46 PM
1

That makes sense. Would you say that the early twentieth century was the end of the late modern? I was trying to get my time periods right, but I think it's clear I did drop the ball on that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:30 PM
1

That makes sense. Would you say that the early twentieth century was the end of the late modern? I was trying to get my time periods right, but I think it's clear I did drop the ball on that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:30 PM
1

Or maybe, just get this--guys with Dark Triad traits are really good at MANIPULATING and CONTROLLING women--especially women who are struggling, economically disadvantaged, or grew up in unhealthy households. You guys are so shallow!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:26 PM
0

There are definitely things that I can agree with you on, here, but I think the main difference in our point of view is that I place the onus on men to change how women perceive them, and attribute most of men's problems to the way that men represent themselves. Most unhealthy attitudes held by men are upheld by men, not women, and the major theme that I see going on is that women (who may or may not have privileges when it comes to sexual selection) have improved their condition to the point wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:24 PM
2

How are you making the connection that an inability to criticize women for anything is at the heart of men's inability to find sexual partners? You're obfuscating the issue to draw away from the underlying sentiment here, which is that you think women are obligated to have sex with men--everything else is a non-sequitur. Go back to what I said--the problem with men not being able to get casual sex is because A) they don't take on the risks of casual sex that women do, and B) it's mostly men pedd…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:18 PM
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I think they were already terrified of men, but then saying, "If women don't put out, desperate men will seek retribution against them" definitely isn't helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 06:48 PM
1

Ew. What did I just read? Bro--the biggest thing standing in the way between men and women are men and their unhealthy beliefs. Women take on so much risk to engage with men, from getting pregnant to becoming a victim of stalking and violence. All of the messaging that men are sending about women online is so unhealthy--and if men were genuinely interested in being able to have safe, consensual sexual experiences with women, that would be a whole lot more possible if men as a whole could functio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:58 PM
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Why don't you just see a therapist like we've been telling you to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:12 PM
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Coooooooope!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:00 PM
1

That's entirely speculative, and based on the questions asked in the study there's no good reason to think lifetime reporting would be any different than year-of, when the poll was taken in the present (and not however many years ago). I could equally speculate that the reason there are less male responders to these polls is because men take this issue less seriously because they're less impacted by it, thus inflating the number of men in the study who reported being sexually assaulted--it's jus…
/r/MensRights14/06/23 05:32 AM
0

I'm pretty sure I responded to that thread. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to twist the CDCs data to support your claim. Typically MRAs will cite this one reported-in-year statistic to claim that women perpetrate sexual violence more often, as you can see they did in the link you provided, and rationalized this against the lifetime-prevalence statistics, which show that men perpetrate at actually more like 4-to-1 than women, by saying that report-in-year statistics are more accura…
/r/MensRights13/06/23 06:39 PM
-3

Look at the CDC NISVS. Those are the best statistics we have, which show that men are more likely to commit sexual violence with a worse impact on female victims than the other way around. Men are about three times more likely to commit rape than women are to commit rape when combined with made-to-penetratr statistics. I know a lot of guys around here will seeth at those statistics and try to push one particular reported-in-year statistic in an attempt to invalidate the data, but this is the mos…
/r/MensRights13/06/23 02:47 AM
2

Some adaptations are effective through sheer domination. War is absolutely a choice, that any party can employ and it's incumbent on the other to defend themselves. True. True true, true true true true true.
/r/MensRights12/06/23 08:10 AM
-3

Why are you even creating fake accounts to join the group? This is not something I worry about. You would be better spending your time playing the new Street Fighter.
/r/MensRights12/06/23 07:28 AM
0

Psychotic ramblings.
/r/MensRights03/06/23 04:41 PM
-1

You guys should be better than this.
/r/MensRights03/06/23 12:48 PM
0

My first instinct would be to assume that if most women who sympathize with men's rights have an only fans, that it's not for money but because these are women who are coming into constant contact with men who suffer from some form of loneliness or isolation. It's really sad that all of you guys are so bad faith. I think that shaming women for being promiscuous is probably the priority of most men in here who would love to believe that women who have only fans are just 'gold diggers' because tha…
/r/MensRights03/06/23 08:49 AM
-4

Man, what are you talking about the "slavery of gynocentrism"?--you're not anybody's slave. Get ahold of yourself.
/r/MensRights03/06/23 08:45 AM
2

Ugh... UGGGHHHHHH...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:14 AM
-1

I absolutely don't think that's true. You're presenting such a fantastical picture of what you want us to believe this place is like. Feminists who post here are met with absolute derision, and I think ultimately what you're suggesting is that you're willing to continue moving the goal-post by framing feminists as crazy and unreasonable so that they can never truly meet MRAs on common ground, while you can continue blaming them for supposedly being unreasonable without ever needing to self-refle…
/r/MensRights30/05/23 07:37 PM
-2

I think you're hyperbolizing when you say that the men here can be friends with 'reasonable' feminists. I don't think that this forum has displayed a capacity for peace with feminists in any capacity.
/r/MensRights30/05/23 07:14 PM
3

I think it's really hyperbolic to include the element of having people there in the room with you, even if the metaphor adequately expresses having your personal space invaded. I thought there was an actual documentary about this that was made by Riot for female Valorant players in Brazil, but I can't find it.
/r/MensRights26/05/23 06:14 PM
0

I was reading Sex, Time and Power, and the author, Leonard Shlain, suggests that because women were able to sync their menstrual cycle to the moon that they were able to diffuse the competitive male drive to reproduce by overwhelming a given individual man with the burden of reproducing with several women simultaneously. That's an interesting theory, but I can't say I can see how it would work out in practice given that one of the female homosapiens most interesting adaptations is that they give…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:48 AM
1

Most people don't adequately understand that men have been the primary choosers throughout civilization, and it's likely that some aspects of women's behavior have been directly influenced by the selection pressure imposed upon them by men. We take for granted that women are 'choosers' in the mammalian kingdom, but A) lots of female mammals aren't really choosey, so much as that men tend to fight each other off and wear each other down, and B) homosapiens are highly unusual in a lot of ways, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:42 AM
1

Axolotl (ash-A-lote-tɬ) tanks, heh. Did you read Heretics/Chapterhouse?
/r/MensRights26/05/23 03:37 AM
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I really hate hearing men talk about what women experience sexually. A lot of guys love to hear this because they just want to hear that women fantasize about being raped. It's also worth mentioning that women seek porn less often than men, and that we really don't know what motivates anyone to seek out a certain kind of pornography, or how they use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 05:49 PM
-1

I think that's pretty nonsense and that you're drawing a really flimsy comparison. Let's assume for the sake of argument that women don't want sexual attention on the subway but that they want it at the bar--I don't think there's any world where you make a reasonable argument that that is because women are classist against men. If there's a difference between the ways that women present depending on whether they're on the subway or at the bar, it's probably because of the purpose of that place a…
/r/MensRights25/05/23 02:52 AM
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This has nothing to do with men's rights. Anyone who read this and was outraged that women perceive men as being creepy, or who used this as an opportunity to shame women for their 'lack of modesty' have got a personal problem.
/r/MensRights24/05/23 05:38 PM
-8

Liberals hyperbolize patriarchy a lot and often have a pretty poor concept of it, but acknowledging the patriarchal history of Western civ. isn't delusional or demanding in the sense that manosphere accusations against women are, which are by nature reactionary and anti-liberal sentiments that actually seek a return to hegemonic masculinity. Sure, there have been radical feminists who have made blatantly problematic claims, but they don't have anything like the popularity of the manosphere and t…
/r/MensRights22/05/23 04:55 PM
-11

Seeing the discourse online and in the manosphere in particular, I find it completely understandable, and I'd wager if men could mature as a gender group more broadly that we would see that change. Instead we have edgelord teenagers posting about how feminism is causing the decline of the West.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 03:32 PM
-2

It seems like you have a vested interest in the narrative that women's reproductive freedom will result in the collapse of civilization, and that the narrative is especially useful to you as a form of attacking feminism. I'd like to hear you actually qualify what it is that you think is so important about the world that only became possible post the demographic explosion of the 20th century that you think is so important to preserve that you'd rather sacrifice women's liberties on the altar than…
/r/MensRights22/05/23 01:58 PM
-1

I think that the rate that we are going to develop technologically in the 21st century is going to confound absolutely every factor we could have conceived. The projected population growth of the world isn't even set to peak until like 2050-2070; while people are discussing population collapse, they're implying that immigration isn't a valid solution to some of the economic concerns of the West--mostly because of internalized racist sentiments that see the U.S. as a prominently white nation, for…
/r/MensRights22/05/23 01:48 PM
-11

Another day goes by and r/mensrights is becoming another redpill forum.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 12:37 PM
0

Copout.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 12:36 PM
-10

That tracks.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 02:33 AM
-13

She sounds unhinged, but you don't come across as a guy of particular virtue.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 02:18 AM
1

Thanks, I appreciate the effort to address the subject matter directly.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 02:09 AM
-1

What the hell does that mean?
/r/MensRights22/05/23 02:08 AM
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Okay, lmao--you're absolutely telling on yourself here. Obviously this attitude doesn't surprise me. I think a lot of the guys here share your reactionary anti-liberal values, but aren't as open about it, and care less about men's issues as they do about vilifying women through veiled accusations against feminism. Maybe you just haven't put much thought into this, but you're essentially saying that you believe that women shouldn't be allowed access to education or reproductive care because you t…
/r/MensRights21/05/23 02:21 AM
-40

Why do you think that feminism is responsible for declining birth rates, and not women's education and access to reproductive health? Are you opposed to women's education and reproductive choice?
/r/MensRights21/05/23 02:08 AM
-32

Is that the film that allegedly accuses feminism of being responsible for demographic decline?
/r/MensRights21/05/23 01:50 AM
1

That's just not true. Women living in countries where they're oppressed aren't out there finding earnings parity with men--they're more excluded from the market and economically isolated. Women in Iran aren't finding parity in STEM fields because they're oppressed--the reality of the matter is the exact opposite. It's wild the kinds of theories that people will come up with here, and find uncritical support for. What do you gain by trying to frame the earnings gap as a sign of a country's prospe…
/r/MensRights20/05/23 02:23 PM
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Wtf? Why did you think to even bring this up? This isn't even remotely true--you're just trying to justify your lack of responsibility and self-control. This is like the antithesis of men's rights; you're trying to take us backwards. Not to mention your completely unhinged take on feminism.
/r/MensRights20/05/23 02:06 PM
7

The worst she said about you is that you're flaky. Do yourself a favor and forget about it.
/r/MensRights20/05/23 01:48 PM
1

I haven't said anything to my parents about it. I know some guys really resent their parents, but they just didn't know better. They still don't know better, and it would be kind of surprising for them to hear that I think it's bad. My mom has always felt like 'the bad guy' in our relationship, so I probably wouldn't bother to tell her, unless there was some recourse. Same with my dad--he just wouldn't know how to respond. I respect that you were able to share that with your father.
/r/MensRights19/05/23 05:00 AM
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I haven't looked into it, but I'm skeptical. When the pharmaceutical became saturated with women, wages dropped. I generally don't concern myself with the topic.
/r/MensRights18/05/23 05:09 PM
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You should do some serious research and understand that doctors will likely try to pressure your wife, or maybe even make her sign for his circumcision under duress. There are some complications that can come up without circumcision which U.S. doctors are typically unprepared to address with any solution other than circumcision that you should be aware of--you should look into phimosis and what kinds of treatments are recommended in the EU. Also, you should understand that a child's foreskin is …
/r/MensRights16/05/23 06:20 PM
-1

Probably because it's just an anti-feminist forum.
/r/MensRights15/05/23 03:38 AM
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Dude, you're winning the Cope Olympics right now. Feminism doesn't have brainwashing powers. I see leftists sometimes who are afraid that someone's going to listen to a Nazi because they're afraid that Nazis have this spellbinding and irrefutable power that leftists can't contend with. You're acting the same way with your mondo-hyperbole over the manufactured rage you have over your hypothetical strawwoman daughter being indoctrinated by feminism. In this hypothetical situation you were such a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:53 PM
3

Too fuggin' based, my guy. Your updoots are gonna get hardstuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:47 PM
1

Yeah, I was gonna say. This looks like a clear cut example of murder, in the way that women typically do, and it's despicable that a news outlet agreed to interview her like this seeing that she's been accused of credible murder. But it's completely irresponsible to be propping up the word of a "body language expert".
/r/MensRights12/05/23 07:39 PM
-1

Oh, cool, cool. Yeah, I pretty much think men's rights started as and continues to be a reactionary anti-feminist movement--I don't think guys here deny that, they just try to justify it. I would totally be behind men's rights if it presented itself responsibly, but their number one goal is to manufacture anti-feminist outrage, rather than actually advocating for male issues, and I think that makes the movement very obviously actually anti-women, since it's 100% focused on strawmanning feminism …
/r/MensRights12/05/23 03:22 PM
0

You guys take this shit way too seriously.
/r/MensRights12/05/23 07:27 AM
-13

lmao, awesome
/r/MensRights11/05/23 04:57 PM
-1

Being a Men's Rights Activist is as much an ideological group as feminism is, and it sounds to me like you actually want to see feminists holding women accountable. What I want is for the MRA movement to accept accountability, in the sense that we're able to acknowledge the historical reality of patriarchy, and to acknowledge that men both have more power in civilization and perpetuate more violence. (Men, for example, perpetuate sexual violence more than twice as often as women.)I've taken some…
/r/MensRights08/05/23 06:00 PM
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Well, look at what you're doing. MRAs are on here every day trying to prove that women are bad and that men are really good. I don't think the point should be who is bad and who is good--but I don't think it's wrong to acknowledge men's historical and present role in maintaining roles or power and control, or men's propensity for violence. The data is often nuanced, but it's pretty clear that men play an outsized role in perpetuating violence. That's just a reality that we have to live with and …
/r/MensRights08/05/23 05:16 PM
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You should read the paper and the studies cited. Women are less eager to engage in violence ideologically, and including women in policy roles of leadership does result in less conflict and more diplomatic solutions, while women in executive roles are more associated with engaging in conflict. The two people who authored the paper Queens suggest as their hypothesis that female rulers were targeted with aggression more because they were women or they suggest that male consorts of female queens we…
/r/MensRights08/05/23 03:48 PM
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Yes, I think that men taking accountability for ourselves as a gender group, and acknowledging that men abuse at a higher rate, and with a more severe impact, is a boon to the men's rights movement, in contrast to men denying that there's any disparity at all, or when MRAs make claims such as that patriarchy is a myth etc, which only discredit the movement. The CDC data that we have is the best data on the subject that there is, and it clearly shows that women experience victimization more commo…
/r/MensRights06/05/23 01:17 AM
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I don't call myself a "white knight"; I just sympathize with feminists and have my own conflicts with the views that many MRAs hold. Nobody is denying that there are some nasty feminists out there--feminists themselves have had major conflicts with other self-proclaimed feminists. What MRAs don't understand and have never acknowledged is that most feminists don't agree with radical feminists, TERFs, fourth wave women, etc--in fact, most feminists would probably share ideals that have massive ove…
/r/MensRights06/05/23 12:40 AM
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You're using the S.C.U.M. manifesto to justify your bigotry? That makes your argument look really weak when you have to strawman feminism to justify your point of view.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 10:31 PM
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You don't think the manosphere has any responsibility when it espouses ideologies that are opposed to women's freedoms or that seek to define female nature in such a way as to reinforce a negative concept of who women are to their audience?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 09:49 PM
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I absolutely agree. Right now the MRA movement isn't going anywhere because it has one singular goal: to strawman feminism in order to blame feminism for all of men's problems, rather than taking any accountability for themselves and their own gender group. Feminists would likely agree on a whole host of men's issues if they bothered to listen at all--but that's not the point of the MRA movement. It's obvious that the movement is actually a lightly veiled reactionary anti-women's movement that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 09:47 PM
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This is some of the worst fear mongering BS I've seen on this sub... Do you have proof to substantiate any of these claims?
/r/MensRights05/05/23 09:27 PM
2

Body positivity could be really helpful for men.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 04:58 PM
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TERF is a 'trans exclusionary radical feminist' and you'll find a lot of 'fourth wave women' agree with the TERF narrative, which is a movement that many women proscribing a tradcon view of women have rallied behind lately. Feminists as a whole largely reject 'fourth wave women'. Mainstream feminists are actually pretty awesome, and it's a huge shame that so many men on this forum have pulled the wool over their own eyes to strawman feminists in order to lay the blame for all of their problems o…
/r/MensRights05/05/23 03:05 PM
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This is a TERF narrative and it does nothing to support men looking to escape from traditional gender norms and stereotypes. FYI, most feminists fundamentally acknowledge that their feminism is about choice--the choice to "duck like a man", or to dress like a tradcon and be a house wife. Feminism isn't about pressuring women to be "more like men", and you'd be strawmanning feminism to say so.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 03:51 AM
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The Nazis did blame the Jewish people for everything--and in the most irrational ways, too. I'm not blaming men for everything, but there's no denying that men have a significantly larger share of power than women in shaping political affairs. Obviously you can't draw 1-to-1 comparisons with Nazi Germany--especially since men aren't being targeted for genocide (like you could say that transgender people are)--in reality we've seen more pushback against women's rights, as highly motivated conserv…
/r/MensRights04/05/23 09:20 PM
-1

Dude, this is incredibly unhinged.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 07:44 PM
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Oh, yeah. Yes, I think that's pretty objectively recognizable. Men possess the majority of wealth, they occupy the majority of positions of power in public office, in the military, etc, so they're most responsible for world policies. Specifically in terms of men's rights, men are mostly antagonists of anti-circumcision campaigns, they believe most strongly in an all-male military and male draft. They're the harshest proponents of retributive justice for male inmates, and they're the most homopho…
/r/MensRights04/05/23 05:20 PM
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You're literally being a character that they make fun of over at TwoXChromosomes.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 05:03 PM
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Holy shit. 550 upvotes. This movement is garbage. This guy is actually piggy-backing off of Crowder's no-fault divorce rant, and you guys are actually legitimizing this. The rest of this post is full of unsubstantiated fear mongering nonsense. You're listening to an absolute child.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 04:54 PM
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What? I'm not sure if the 6 people that upvoted you have any idea what you're saying. The only line I can draw here to your analogy about the Nazis is to what I said about MRAs blaming feminism for all of their problems.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 04:46 PM
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Almost nobody in law enforcement or actively serving in the government identifies as a feminist, but yeah--we want to believe that feminists represent a monolithic power structure. What's sad is no one wants to admit that women have organically adopted feminism according to their personal experiences and that money has followed an increase in female representation in the economy.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 07:38 AM
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If "men organizing" meant men taking responsibility and challenging harmful gender stereotypes then almost no one would have a problem with it. It's the fact that men are responsible for most of our problems but no matter what MRAs find a way to blame feminism for everything that doesn't appeal to most people.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 07:35 AM
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TikTok actually is actually full of really cool people doing interesting stuff. People hate who hate on TikTok have a very unnatural bias against it.
/r/MensRights03/05/23 01:40 PM
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I appreciate this post, and I hope other members don't take this as an opportunity to blame and put down women, but to advocate for a real change to the gender expectations that we experience as men, and to offer you sincere words of sympathy and encouragement.
/r/MensRights03/05/23 12:27 AM
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There's a pretty interesting series on Prime video called The Wilds where a feminist tries to prove that girls are good and boys are bad by manipulating highly unethical 'stranded on an island' experiments. It's worth a watch, imo.
/r/MensRights03/05/23 12:24 AM
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This is incomprehensible.
/r/MensRights02/05/23 09:29 PM
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First of all, the 2012 (~40,000 respondents, report made in 2017) data year is not the last study available--there are two from 2015 (~10,000 respondents, report made in 2018) and 2016/2017 (~30,000 respondents, report made in 2022) data years. In the 2015 year, for men only 0.7% of men experienced being made to penetrate in the 12 month period prior to the survey, and rape was not recorded (possibly because it was statistically irrelevant), while 1.2% of women experienced rape in that 12 month …
/r/MensRights28/04/23 07:28 PM
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You should actually do your own research on this, because you're acting like your own meme right now. I'm not going to go back to retrieve the stats for you, but out of the three most recent CDC reports, women still report approx. 40% higher prevalence of sexual assault in a twelve month period in at least two of them. I don't have time to fact check the OPs claim, but this is not at all what the CDC reports conclude.
/r/MensRights28/04/23 03:32 AM
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This is so cringe. What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights27/04/23 10:31 AM
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But why would she say that if her husband did, that she would be fine with it? I'm not redpill at all. I think the guys here and the whole entire manosphere is stupid and regressive--but I'm going to criticize women here saying that if their partner expected them to be domestic servants that they would be fine with it as long as they adopted a code of chivalry and behaved like the traditional hegemonic / patriarchal male, especially when other women are agreeing with her. I just think you ought …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:51 PM
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Even if there might be other things couched into the expectation--such as paying for the bills--I think that adding "opening doors for" in there goes far to show the absurdity of what she actually believes. It's as if that code of "chivalry" only matters, or is a fair trade for conforming to the gendered expectation of doing all of the housework, and only in that context does the absurd expectation that a man open doors for her become relevant. Flip this on the head; let's say that a man decided…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:37 PM
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You would just be okay with that trade? Lmao. "If I'm going to do all the housework and raise the kids--you've got to open doors for me."--I don't see how that follows at all; is that what you really want, or are you just conforming to expectations? Would you actually want to date someone who expects that of you? Would you be okay with it, and do you have any sincere desire to be with someone whose code of honor and value in the relationship is defined by their willingness and commitment to open…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 07:20 PM
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I've been mostly body shamed by men. Like more than 90% of the time when someone is insulting me or shaming my appearance--yes--it's a man. Most of the people who justify circumcision in the conversations that I am in, are men. Men can absolutely be supportive of each other in certain contexts; but let's say that you wanted to present femininity in a public space; while there are disgusting women out there who would shame you for it, you're mostly fighting back against men, like Ben Shapiro or M…
/r/MensRights22/04/23 08:52 AM
1

That shit doesn't have anything to do with men's rights.
/r/MensRights22/04/23 08:28 AM
1

Just so everyone here understands this: Having boundaries doesn't mean telling your partner what to do. Having boundaries is about taking personal accountability; if you're willing to set a boundary then you have to be willing to enforce it. What that means is, if you set a boundary and say, "Hey, if you're going to dress like that then I'm not going to renew our lease together. I'm going to start taking steps to separate." Another example of the kinds of boundaries you can set would be, "If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 09:10 AM
1

It's also been the case that when women begin to saturate a workplace that the wages drop--pharmacy. Added that they perform reproductive labor and tend to do most other forms of unpaid labor, too, and it's not far-fetched to say that society simply doesn't respect the kind of work that women are associated with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:26 AM
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I can't believe that you're bringing this shit here, first of all--but it's really pathetic that this sub is courting your bullshit, too. This does not belong in a Men's Rights subreddit--go post this dumb shit in r/purplepilldebate.
/r/MensRights19/04/23 09:10 PM
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What? Dude, get real. The people who are shaming men the most for wearing women's clothing are other men. Stop trying to find ways to blame everything on women--that doesn't make any sense.
/r/MensRights19/04/23 04:33 PM
1

Is that a view that you actually hold? You presented it like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:13 PM
2

... Decisions about whose genes get passed on? What were you thinking when you wrote that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 07:14 PM
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The article is totally lacking in substance and doesn't pose any significant context for why women specifically should fear declining birth rates. This is garbage.
/r/MensRights16/04/23 08:17 AM
2

A minority of rulers who were queens, where the study you source suggests two theories: 1) that women were seen as weak and responded to aggression, and 2) that women were suited to forming marriage alliances and that the consorts of queens were more likely to participate politically and in wartime. One of the sources cited in that study show that women are more likely to have diplomatic beliefs, and that the presence of female legislature decreases military spending and wartime participation, m…
/r/MensRights07/04/23 06:47 AM
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So what you're saying is that, when a father was in charge of finding a husband for his daughter, that he often tried to match her with the highest status man that he could, and that common men were oppressed by a legal system that held a monopoly on violence, which was operated by men. None of what you've said refutes that men were predominantly in control of women, whether that's because they were men of status or because they were physically capable of dominating a woman. This patriarchal fra…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:29 AM
1

I don't accept the premise that men are relegated to polygamous attitudes while women to hypergamous. I don't believe that's inherently a part of human nature, nor do I think that the biological incentives to behave in that way are ultimately relevant while we're inquiring into the nature of love. If there ever was an instinctual aspect of human nature that lent itself to polygamy or hypergamy, I would argue that it is a dichotomy that emerged entirely out of sexual selection imposed upon women …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 07:13 AM
6

I think you should see that student counselor and fight for your right to participate.
/r/MensRights04/04/23 05:57 AM
1

I hope PPD gets the memo.
/r/MensRights02/04/23 02:53 PM
1

Dude, I can't believe this shit is running through your head.
/r/MensRights02/04/23 02:52 PM
1

I think that's cope. Independence and just being yourself and being mature enough to acknowledge other people (women) as individuals creates mystery and invites attraction. The truth is probably more along the lines of that when guys act really congenial and kind, that it's intimidating for bad girls or women who are just looking for something casual. Guys really underestimate just how intimidating they can be as romantic prospects; but, depending on how you present yourself, you might be able t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:53 AM
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Niiiice. Spain is pretty awesome. They've really embraced their liberty in the wake of Franco's regime.
/r/MensRights25/03/23 02:34 AM
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You're absolutely right that there are a lot of people, especially older people, who think that boys would be lucky to get raped by a woman--if they thought she was attractive. If they didn't, they would probably just laugh at the guy and call him a wuss. Unfortunately, most of the people who think this are actually guys themselves. In order to have a successful men's rights movement we've got to take accountability for ourselves as men instead of blaming feminism for all of our problems. Sorry …
/r/MensRights22/03/23 08:54 PM
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Can't believe you buffoons are actually entertaining this bullshit, lmao
/r/MensRights22/03/23 08:48 PM
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lmao, right?
/r/MensRights19/03/23 05:02 AM
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There's nothing wrong with setting boundaries, as long as you accept the conditions of a boundary. A boundary isn't a shackle that your partner wears--it's a line that you have where you say, if this happens, then this is how I will respond. So the trick to setting healthy boundaries is to employ detachment as a tool of emotional survival. Creating a safe environment where your partner knows that if she crosses a boundary of yours, that you won't lash out and try to control or harm her, ensures …
/r/MensRights10/03/23 12:40 AM
0

I totally get you, man. What the hell is it with being attracted to weakness? When women are viewed that way it makes you wonder what's attractive about a woman at all. Be attracted to someone that's weak? Yeah, no thanks. I'd rather be with someone who is strong. Most guys say they'd be attracted to a girl no matter what her status as long as she's pretty. Umm, how about an independent partner who is intelligent and has talents? Someone with a strong vision of the future, and strong ideas about…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 08:18 PM
0

Stavros Halkias. He actually stands for body and sex positivity for men, and you can laugh while seeing his effort to get into shape and turn his health around. There are tons of really cool guys out there, like Vaush or FD Signifier. I've been watching this guy Grubby who can get along with everyone and who has a really positive outlook on life. Xiaomanyc--like, looking around on the internet, how are you NOT finding good role models to look up to? There are so many guys who don't define their …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 07:09 AM
1

It's crazy how messed up your compass is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 04:05 AM
1

If I were born a woman I'm pretty convinced I would be a normie. I would have felt more tethered to my family, and would have probably felt a greater expectation to fit in and learn how to be a working class individual. I don't think I would have struggled as much as I did with feeling demonized because of my body / my sex--although that's entirely plausible. It would have been scary as hell possibly being abducted as a child--I mean, those opportunities presented themselves as a boy, but I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:09 AM
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You're allowed to feel that way for as long as you'd like, mate. Throughout all of life's passions (this is in the Christian or Indian sense of a passion, as in the Passion of the Christ), the question always comes back around to whether you'd like to survive. My intuition tells me that you want to survive. While that can be motivating in a moment of revelation, all motivation is rooted in principle. If you can't identify those principles, then you don't have motivation. Having enduring principl…
/r/MenSupportMen30/01/23 05:09 AM
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Non-sequitur. OP didn't argue that attractive men can't find casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 06:19 PM
2

This topic is really beneath contempt and not worthy of anyone's time--but it might be worth it to confront you just to force you to realize how stupid you actually are. This isn't really a question of empiricism--nor is it about whether this is an effective method or not--really what this is about is a matter of principle. All that you're really engaging with here is the idea of turning yourself into a shallow image of a man in response to a shallow image of women. I think, along with the ficti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:01 PM
1

Lmao, you should probably rethink your whole life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 08:30 AM
1

Also, just to run a light analysis--who actually has power in society? Who is actually influencing public discourse? You've got a majority of lawmakers and politicians who are men. You've got men who are actually in the military or working in prisons. An entire cult emerged around Trump's misogynist and bigoted ideas, as the 45th out of 45 male presidents. Then who are the influencers that people are listening to? Oprah was massively popular before--but who is one famous woman discussing politic…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 01:39 AM
1

Men definitely have all the political and social capital they need to effectively advocate for themselves. That's simply a matter of choice. The difficulty doesn't stem from men's inherent powerlessness in society--because even that is a choice that is based on our perceptions of gender and self. The difficulty only stems from mens unwillingness to change, to embrace a cooperative attitude and to take accountability for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 12:46 AM
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I watched the movie Holy Spider recently. It's a true story about an Iranian man who is dismayed that he didn't die a martyr in the Iran-Iraq war. He turned his focus instead to murdering sex workers because he believed it was God's will to cleanse the streets of corrupt women--nevermind the men who were buying sex. When he was caught he received widespread support from his family, not to mention the public more broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 09:28 PM
1

Because it really only matters what we do as men. Women have so little to do with this issue, but men are wasting all their energy blaming women and never confronting the real issue--which is that we, as men, are standing in the way of our own progress. MRAs, MGTOWs, red pills, etc--NEVER spend their time criticizing men. Instead, actually, many men in these communities spend their time reinforcing our inequality and justifying gender divisions. That's true for military issues, labor issues, sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:47 PM
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I'm just going to say two things here: A) Gender-based inequality cannot be reduced to an issue of class. B) The military class was a unique class that in the past held a lot of power and was seen as a privilege, and men have historically desired to go to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:37 PM
0

No, actually--it's going to be from taking accountability as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:34 PM
1

Nobody has ever denied that. I'm just telling you that from my experience, men have been the far worst culprit of body shaming other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 07:34 PM
2

You too, man. The only way we're gonna make things better is by helping each other out and being on the same team.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 11:32 AM
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That's absurd, dude. In your example you're asking women why they won't date you and they're stating their preference. In my example, men are using my appearance as an ad-hominim to explicitly illustrate my shortcomings as a sexual object, completely unsolicited. Of course there are women out there who say shitty things, but these two examples aren't remotely comparable. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I remember a Korean woman who insulted my appearance, and after talking to her some …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 11:31 AM
6

Men are doing the ridiculing. More men on Twitter have posted my profile picture as an own, or used my picture to play tic-tac-toe on my forehead, or insulted my appearance to discredit my appearance than women ever have. No woman has actually ever insulted my appearance out of the blue--I had to specifically push back on a post of a woman saying that there are no good bald men, to which the woman essentially only reiterated what she said in the first place. You only notice when women talk shit …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 10:58 AM
4

Is that actually true? And furthermore what are the actual impact reports of domestic abuse between the sexes? While it very well is true that women can be assholes too, there are so many men's issues that can't be attributed to or blamed on women that men simply don't have a proper response to. Men are mostly responsible for: No body positivity movement for men Rampant homophobia Widespread apologism for circumcision Promotion of the police state and military that convicts and drafts men Male-v…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 10:45 AM
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This is truly ignoring the ways in which American society and many other societies throughout history truly have been gender-biased by trying to erase gender from the picture. Things are much more equal now and I really wouldn't give someone much consideration if they argued that women still have it unfairly (considering that unfairness didn't exist on a simple spectrum), but what we're seeing now from men is clearly a reactionary effort that despises women's liberty. Sure, women can be jerks--b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 10:35 AM
0

Men don't want to acknowledge that their greatest obstacle to overcoming their problems isn't women or feminism--it's other men. They have all the tools they need to turn their lives around, but instead they're using them to double-down on their derangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 10:25 AM
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This is so pathetic, man. There's nothing anti-male about this--this is just women doing what's good for them, and even finding ways to help the war effort, too. If you wanted to bring up the unfairness of the male draft, that's one thing--but you have nothing to be against these women for, and making it seems like it's so just makes you seem like an apologist for sexual and domestic violence, as if the fact that men are fighting and dying in a war for their country means that women should just …
/r/MensRights10/01/23 08:40 PM
1

As dumb as her perspective is, it's equally despicable for that guy to conclude that of things aren't 100% fair in their relationship then that entitles him to have control over the woman's life. That's incredibly telling about how that man views balance in relationships that personhood is a token to be bargained for.
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 03:55 AM
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This is such a shitty response, dude. We're not here to cultivate hopelessness and a lack of faith in humanity. That's not support.
/r/MensRights05/01/23 04:27 AM
2

I think what we need to talk about is how badly this sub needs to die because there are so many pathetic guys on here making posts like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:23 AM
1

This sub can't become more pathetic... Half of the people who post here should just shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:40 AM
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This is such a dumb response to a hypothetical situation, where you're putting men's utility as the front and center issue to make the petty case that women need men.
/r/MensRights31/12/22 09:00 AM
1

Oh my god. These responses are so cringe.
/r/MensRights27/12/22 10:29 PM
1

Feminists make it pretty clear that while they're for equality, they're not a movement for everyone. They're not a class movement, and they're not a men's movement. All that feminists can tell you is their gender/sex antagonisms, but they expect you to have your own movement for your own liberation issues.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 11:41 PM
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It sounds like she doesn't really care about you, man You can definitely find people who really care about you and don't treat you like you're a project--a project that she doesn't even want to continue, to be honest.
/r/MenSupportMen18/12/22 11:36 PM
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That's a shame. I don't think it's polite to mention people's appearance in relation to their weight like that. Guys have a horrible habit of going around thinking it's normal to express to the world who they think is attractive to their face. It particularly sucks because women with weight on them can be and are incredibly attractive, and there's just one very normalized demographic of men who go around advertising that being skinny makes you attractive, and it's just weird to talk to people ab…
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/22 06:47 AM
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This isn't evidence that women are selective at all--in fact this could be evidence that men are very combative and that women had very little agency when it came to choosing mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:02 AM
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Dude. Wtf are you doing? Why did you feel the need to bring this to Men's Rights? This is just immature.
/r/MensRights13/11/22 01:36 AM
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The "is he wrong though?" argument totally missed the point, which is the way that this talking point is framed to denigrate women. It's very similar to how Western exceptionalism is framed from a racist point of view--"The West built the U.S. and brought the native people out of the stone age. They should thank us." or the way that people will look at Kanye's anti-Semetic comments and say. "Is he wrong though? Maybe we should be having an honest discussion about how the Jews control the media."…
/r/MensRights03/11/22 06:54 AM
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Ugh. I hate this content so much. Men's Rights is more red pill every day. "Men created and maintain civilization."-- such a horrible take. 🤢🤮
/r/MensRights03/11/22 06:00 AM
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This post has zero relevance to men's rights. You've shown nothing to the contrary.
/r/MensRights29/10/22 09:42 AM
0

I'll tell you something different from everything else you're hearing in this thread: I don't think she has any obligation to tell you she's trans. I don't think that you're over-reacting, but I think that an experience like this calls on you to become more mature. I think that having an identity wrapped up around only being attracted to the female sex is silly. You saw her and consented to being with her every step of the way. No one is obligated to divulge their secrets or their past when enga…
/r/MensRights28/10/22 07:46 PM
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No, this is ridiculous. First of all you're supposing that women don't care about being single and childless, and secondly you're clearly supposing without substantive evidence that the decline in marriage and childbearing is caused by legal discrimination against men. Both of these things are absurd. Studies are showing us that women are happier when they're childless and single--so what you're doing is taking the issue of women's liberties and trying to twist this into an issue about what men …
/r/MensRights28/10/22 06:31 PM
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Which belongs in men's rights... Why?
/r/MensRights28/10/22 09:24 AM
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Holy shit, how is this men's rights content? Isn't the point of the movement not to attract attention for casting judgements on how women should behave?
/r/MensRights28/10/22 07:23 AM
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I really like F.D Signifier. His videos are long and tend to center blackness, but he talks about men's issues in a mature and responsible way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/22 06:33 AM
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"pushing an agenda on kids" is a strawman, and a homophobic dog whistle
/r/MensRights20/10/22 06:24 AM
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🤢🤮 Any time anyone says we're "biologically designed" to be leaders / geniuses / attracted to X. Ya know, I don't doubt your experience because I think most people really are pretty shallow, but that's just not how I view the world at all. I think your world view is pretty naïve. My advice is always going to be the same: just be authentic and don't get hung up on people being shitheads. There are guys out there who can think you're the most beautiful woman in the world, even if it's rare. I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:26 AM
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The Homeland Security report on the Manosphere proves to be 100% accurate about the men's rights community. This movement is so cursed.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 08:35 PM
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You just brought a random transgender person up in this conversation to try to show that transgender people are xenophobic.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 08:12 PM
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Don't bring transphobia into this... You may not think this is transphobic, but you're delegitimizing transgenderism by weaponizing it against political correctness. This actually plays into the fourth wave feminists narrative that pushes women to believe that their spaces are being appropriated by transgender women.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 04:22 PM
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You would have to receive legitimacy from the male community to make that a reality and the fact is that most men don't feel like their lives are significantly endangered by their abusive females partners, laugh at the idea of a men's shelter or have the resources to leave their abuser. You have to actually convince men that they would benefit from shelters.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 06:05 AM
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"While some MRAs make legitimate claims about male suicide, homelessness, and incarceration rates, these arguments are then often used to orient supporters toward viewing women as the common root cause of such problems." Super accurate. I wish I could actually appreciate this movement, but most of the guys here really need to work on their health. I don't see this movement going anywhere until it stops being an anti-feminist hate group.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 02:49 AM
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Why would you assume that when men have predominantly used their force to secure mates throughout history? If this idea of evo-psych holds any water then you have to assume that women have been shaped by the selective pressure of men, and what you'd be witnessing, if you were right, would be a positive feedback loop of the consequences of male selectivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:39 PM
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Maybe if it was just genuinely men going their own way, but the movement is typically tied up with guys being pretty spiteful. I haven't seen anything from a MGTOW community in years--I thought it all transferred over to Men's Rights.
/r/MensRights09/10/22 01:40 AM
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I sympathize with feminism, but I'm not comfortable with identifying as a feminist. Feminism is a vanguard for women's rights, and that's okay--and it's my hope that men's rights can be a vanguard for men's rights, without the need to be explicitly anti-feminist. I wager I would have much more success advocating for men's needs coming from a place of sympathizing with the feminist cause.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 07:15 PM
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I think that's a really poor and unfair assumption.
/r/MenSupportMen03/10/22 04:02 PM
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A lot of women have had bad experiences with men and have felt that their lives have been put in danger by men. I find it's best to listen to women when they say that they've had negative experiences with men--some, of course, are at the point where they no longer want anything to do with men. That's fine, we just leave them alone. There will be toxic women who hold unhealthy beliefs about men. They're not worth your time.
/r/MenSupportMen02/10/22 02:52 AM
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Well, I moved into a bigger place recently and I've been concerned about paying rent. So I've been trying captioning out to make some extra money and the pay has been pretty abysmal so far. I haven't written my grandmother for months since she had her stroke at the end of last year. We used to have weekly phone calls and I wish that I could just help take care of her, but there's a lot of logistical complications between me and that goal right now, so I'm hoping that my stock options start doing…
/r/MenSupportMen01/10/22 03:01 AM
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I believe that Jordan Peterson is the kind of man who is capable of growing into a very respectable person. In the past I think he's held a lot of problematic views, and I don't think he's totally there. Like, yesterday's controversy juxtaposes to the public statements he made about that Sport's Illustrated model. I see women having created a wonderful body positivity movement, so when Jordan gets emotional and says that it's difficult for men to go through life without positive affirmations, it…
/r/MensRights30/09/22 06:59 PM
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It's because of their oftentimes blatantly dangerous ideologies. I've frequented incel forums before and they're often tolerating promoting the rape of women. It's one of those cases where you should really admit that the community has earned its bad representation. There are self proclaimed incels attacking women and public figures like Brendio openly making problematic statements about women. This shouldn't be controversial. Maybe some day the incel community will have the opportunity to impro…
/r/MensRights30/09/22 04:39 AM
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Unhealthy concepts of what it means to be a man. Like picking on guys for being gay, saying that real men don't cry and thinking that everything that's bad that happens to you is okay because you're a man, and men deal with everything by being tough. I don't think toxic masculinity isn't a useful idea; I think it's equally viable to define toxic femininity. Women have to deal with women that uphold unhealthy expectations of what it means to be a woman all the time. When a guy is called a bitch i…
/r/MensRights29/09/22 04:39 PM
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I found friends in a lot of unlikely places. One of the best places where I found men who were vulnerable with me was in a Christian men's sexual sobriety group. I'm not Christian, but the bonds that I formed with those men during my time in the group were special. Besides that I've found close friends who I've met at the local cafe, from a meetup group based around game design, etc. I can't be super close with all my friends, but some of them I really can open up and be honest with. I'd say it'…
/r/MenSupportMen29/09/22 06:41 AM
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I'm 33 and have practically given up my sex drive. I'm single and while I consider myself asexual I know that I could develop a libido--I just don't see the value in my sexuality as it is. People at various places and stages of their lives learn how to make sacrifices. My advice for you is to think deeply about what sex means to you and to have a conversation with your wife about how she feels about having lost the ability to experience an orgasm or to enjoy sex. It's entirely possible to enjoy …
/r/MenSupportMen28/09/22 04:24 AM
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Maybe men should take a more active role in promoting body positivity for men. We're constantly blaming the rest of the world and especially women, particularly feminists, for our problems. Let's take responsibility for men's role in this world.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 08:33 PM
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Who's sending men to fight for women's rights? It's not even a fact that these are men protesting for women's rights, rather than for anti-authoritarian reasons more generally, who are just using the protest over women's rights as a blanket for further protests. Nobody is making these men protest, but you're intent on manufacturing this narrative that women are pushing men to fight for their rights and that women haven't taken an active role in protesting for their rights. You want us to believe…
/r/MensRights27/09/22 08:15 PM
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Selection bias. Women have been protesting against the drafting of men in Russia right now. https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1574038425178722305?t=m1L_ntL7xzz4c-Dao3B9aQ&s=19 Iran 1979: https://images.app.goo.gl/fVhiZqnAk3neztN6A You got bad intentions, man.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 06:05 AM
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I just mentioned toxic women, as in toxic femininity. I didn't think this should be an issue, just recognizing that masculinity or femininity can be portrayed in toxic ways.
/r/MensRights23/09/22 07:54 PM
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I agree with this. Feminism has to contend with the same issue--the fact that toxic women perpetuate misogynist culture. If we want to be successful as a movement we have to take accountability for ourselves and recognize when toxic masculinity is obfuscating our message.
/r/MensRights23/09/22 07:44 PM
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I've heard some pretty crazy stories come out of Russia. When I was teenager I read a news article about how a couple of Russian kids on their way home from school abducted an old man and tortured him to death. I listened to Brett Kreischer's "The Machine" story where he was pressured into robbing a bunch of train passengers with basically the KGB, college kids aligned with the police at the time. I was like, woah. That's nuts. It seems like the political consequences of Stalin's regime were abs…
/r/MensRights23/09/22 07:32 PM
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Lmao! I listened to a conversation he had with a Muslim about the nature of the Jihads that took massive swaths of the world under control. From reading history I'd learned that Muhammad had united the loose Arab tribes who went out and conquered the world in the name of Allah. The person Peterson was talking to seemed convinced that the Arabs only partook in wars of retaliation, and I find that difficult to believe. The conversation was okay--part if it revolved around the conception of whether…
/r/MensRights23/09/22 07:26 PM
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I don't like that anti-feminism is baked into this subreddit. Because it makes this sub more about "supporting men" by hating feminism. I feel like a lot of what you're saying is either a strawman or a dog-whistle, like, "feminists just want men to shut up and listen to women"; I'd say that women typically just wanted to be respected in an atmosphere stemming from a patriarchal American history, but I'm guessing most users here don't even believe that patriarchal values ever existed--and because…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/22 05:30 PM
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Sounds like you're reading too much into this situation. We have no idea why she rejected your advance. Up to that point you were laying in her bed with her. Not wanting to kiss or take things further from there isn't necessarily a sign that there's something messed up about you, or that you did something wrong--there's no need for you to compare yourself to other guys. Obviously she liked you enough to let you into her bed, and the best thing you can do for yourself at this point is to chill ou…
/r/MenSupportMen17/09/22 10:25 PM
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The idea that men have historically been these righteous upstanding dudes who have taken on the noble responsibility of taking care of their women--now that's a myth. It's absurd that you would claim that women are too vain and selfish to make sacrifices for the greater good, while attributing this to men, historically. The reality of the situation is rather simple: men are stronger and aren't inhibited by pregnancy. Thus men took control of civilization and built hierarchies of power to consoli…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 03:39 PM
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Women tell each other how beautiful they are on social media. Guys never do that. A successful men's movement really is about taking care of our own.
/r/MensRights15/09/22 06:47 AM
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Yeah. Of course.
/r/MensRights13/09/22 07:24 AM
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Okay, dude. Don't blame hookup culture for why you're unhappy. There's nothing keeping you from being happy--you have so much going for you and you have no idea because you're obsessing over things that are totally beside you. You've got to plan to put yourself in a place where you can achieve a balanced and stable life. You should really be focusing on you, right now. I was once that age and I ended up squandering away nearly half of my life with addictions and trivialities. We live in an age o…
/r/MensRights12/09/22 04:39 PM
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Hey, if you guys care about male victimization you can head over and follow r/maletraumasurvivors. It's pretty dead over there.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 04:05 AM
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This is full of misinformation. What is true is that the Indigenous people of the Great Plains and the East of NA did have many tribes where chiefdom was inherited matrilineally--that is, those were men who were elected to the role of chiefdom. Women were generally considered to hold the domain of domestic affairs, while men held domain over foreign affairs. It is true that the matriarchs of the Iroquois tribes did occasionally call for "Mourning Wars" when they were grieved by the loss of famil…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 12:20 PM
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Not during the modern age, no, but in antiquity, yes. Healthcare has improved significantly. But you can see that even in the modern day many countries are still sharply affected by a high rate of death during childbirth. Women have longer expected lifespans, but that wasn't always so; the general population of women was generally lower than men throughout history. Cancer, malnutrition, and anemia were considered more women's diseases. https://www.nber.org/bah/2018no3/emergence-female-advantage-…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 08:01 AM
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Women, historically, actually had lower lifespans than men, because childbirth was so dangerous. As many men who died in war, women have died in childbirth.
/r/MensRights31/08/22 05:01 PM
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So should men not drink because they might be raped, or are only women in danger of being raped?
/r/MensRights30/08/22 05:25 PM
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Some of the beliefs that are courted here are blatantly bigoted, and the sub courts them anyway as long as they're anti-female or anti-feminist. Sometimes you can't find a consensus here between individuals who believe that the patriarchy is a myth and people who believe that civilization will crumble without a patriarchy.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 05:12 PM
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No one doubts that you can take precautions against danger--you can be blatantly irresponsible when it comes to avoiding danger. That doesn't make being in danger your fault, in the case of having to protect yourself against someone assaulting you. Women do take precautions, but that doesn't make being raped their fault. Most men who are made to penetrate are done so under the influence of alcohol or drugs~~who here would ever think that saying to a man who had been raped by a woman, "man, you s…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 05:08 PM
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We're literally talking about twoX saying that "all men only know anger", and you came back with, "all women never want to take accountability", and then implied that women get raped because they choose to wear certain clothes or drink too much.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 04:54 PM
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It's really sad how we go from "not all men" to saying this. Especially because you're actually using rape apologism.
/r/MensRights30/08/22 04:45 PM
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Now that's reaching. Who the F upvotes this? And are you trying to be as bad as the people you're accusing?
/r/MensRights30/08/22 04:44 PM
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Is there something we can do to vote against deletion? I actually like that page, it represents the facts in a very fair and accurate way. A lot of times you see MRAs pretending like everything is equal and dismissing issues of male perpetration when a really important aspect of men's rights activism actually involves recognizing the actions of men and building a community of accountability--and that's anathema in this community. Understandably this is an example where men's rights activism is b…
/r/MensRights30/08/22 09:04 AM
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It really seems like this administration in Hungary is a perfect analogy for the state of our men's rights community--willing to court the most blatantly bigoted and irresponsible ideas.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 05:22 PM
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Absolutely.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 05:18 PM
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Why aren't we encouraging boys to learn how to cope with the fact that women are a part of the economy now, instead of blaming women for having an equal stake at the table? Boys might get violent? That's like saying, "U.S. is reaching Weimar levels of degeneracy! If we don't tone down this LGBTQ acceptance we might elect the next Hitler!"--take some friggen' emotional responsibility.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 05:17 PM
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They're blatantly the most patriarchal reasons ever, though--like, "women competing with men is bad, boys might get violent!"--instead of encouraging men to adapt to a world where women have an equal stake in the economy.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 05:14 PM
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Men still hold the majority of roles of power, and there are still lingering sentiments from more patriarchal times, yes. (70% government, courts, 80% law enforcement, military; women are still predominantly affected, by sexual violence, stalking, etc. especially in regards to impact reports) Women do have parity when it comes to wealth in the U.S. Lots of men, also, are negatively affected by classically patriarchal beliefs, especially concerning traditional gender roles or attitudes about circ…
/r/MensRights28/08/22 06:41 AM
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Well, if that is true and things are changing, then that's good. I'm too skeptical to take any view of the twelve month statistics because they are so erratic, but we'll see. I haven't done a great deal of research myself. We do know very well that there are more deaths that result from male on female partner violence than the other way around, and statistics also support the fact that sex trafficking and group sexual violence seem to be a more male-related phenomenon. It's okay to be skeptical,…
/r/MensRights27/08/22 04:10 AM
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Okay--here are the stats. 2010: 1/5 women raped, 1/21 men made to penetrate; 1/100 of women experience rape 12 months prior to taking the survey by any perpetrator; 1/20 women and men experienced sexual victimization other than rape 12m prior by any perpetrator, 1/17 and 1/20 men experienced rape, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner 12m prior. 2011: 19.3% of women and 1.7% of men were raped in their lifetime, 43.9% of women and 23.4% of men experience sexual violence other than …
/r/MensRights27/08/22 02:10 AM
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Iirc correctly the 2014 data, which, by the way also recorded that only 1 in 21 men had been made to penetrate throughout their lives, followed by a 2015 study where 1 in 14 had been made to with a similar disparity, to the 2016-2017 data where 1 in 9 men had been made to penetrate, but the deviation with the incidence of reports of made to penetrate in the past year decreased to half of the incidence of women who had been raped in the past year.
/r/MensRights27/08/22 01:09 AM
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According to CDC data that includes 'made to penetrate' statistics, men are more than 3x as likely to be perpetrators of sexual violence than women. What's wrong with acknowledging that committing sexual violence is more of an issue for men than women, and opening up a conversation about that with men so that we can be held accountable? That's what a responsible men's movement would do, rather than pretending that all things are equal between the sexes.
/r/MensRights26/08/22 05:49 PM
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Same thing for guys, who are mostly made to penetrate when drunk. Of course it's your responsibility to not drink and drive--but that's a choice that can lead to killing other people. What's more important here is to frame this from the perspective of consequences and who you're affecting. If two people got drunk and one raped the other, you'd blame the rapist. If you get drunk and get raped, you're the one who was brought injury--so it's pretty fallacious to think, "If someone gets drunk and is…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 03:33 PM
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Most people disagree with feminists shutting down debates, but one poster puts it well by saying: "It concerns me that some men's rights activists have taken to asserting that the social and medical progress (the pill and contraceptives, no-fault divorce, women in the workforce) should be rolled back (reforms that freed men as much as they freed women). They also seem to be calling for a suffocatingly narrow conception of masculinity that is as oppressive to men as it is to women, as the OP (ano…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 07:55 AM
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It's a breath of fresh air to see accountability coming from the men's community. Accountability should be a part of our movement.
/r/MensRights26/08/22 02:43 AM
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A lot of guys here seem to want to enforce nuclear family dynamics. Some of them even think that civilization will disintegrate if we abolish traditional marriage. I definitely see that dynamic emerging from the OP and it definitely ties into red pill rhetoric that seeks to establish double standards that push women towards being traditionally conservative while justifying a desire for men to be with multiple women. I think that it's possible that her husband or her child could be harmed by her …
/r/MensRights26/08/22 01:11 AM
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Dude, you're only sixteen and you're freaking out because you think men are oppressed. If this movement was more focused on men's rights issues instead of Boogeymanning feminism we could probably actually make progress on men's rights issues--but most guys here are only interested in manufacturing outrage and attacking feminism. Actual men's rights issues aren't that sensational and feminists can mostly agree with them. Nobody else here is going to dare to tell you this: this is not a healthy on…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 12:43 AM
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Saying "men do all the work" is a weak argument, because there's no reason why women couldn't adapt.
/r/MensRights24/08/22 04:11 PM
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I tend to think that men are rather close-minded, as it relates to male ego and their propensity for being outspoken. I thought about this today because I said that Neon Vines is revolutionizing live electronic music performance, through sheer use of talent. A lot of guys really resented this sentiment, with an entitled sense of bitterness--like they're the gatekeepers of this kind of thing, saying that there are a lot of people who do this kind of thing; I haven't seen an example where someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:21 AM
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Men literally sound like Claude Frollo, stalking women and begging them to have compassion for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 03:16 AM
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Human nature simply isn't this concrete... No number of psychological theories about male/female nature can ever account for human plasticity. I just disagree with your premise, and this isn't how I perceive women at all, by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 10:20 PM
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Okay, but who is the most vocal antagonist against circumcision? Well--on Twitter, it's men. Women do, of course, come out against it--but by far, the most negative responses you will get are going to come from men, citing hygiene, saying they don't want a turtleneck, saying they were circumcised and their son will be too. Law makers, too, are mostly going to be men, who would be able to change the law. You're going to see this pattern across men's issues. The all-male draft: the most vocal outs…
/r/MensRights16/08/22 06:25 PM
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Male victims could easily be taken seriously if the men's rights movement were able to integrate themselves into intersectional justice with vulnerability and honesty. As it is, men's rights advocates are mostly interested in manufacturing outrage and dismantling feminism, even when the greater antagonists to men's rights are men themselves. I have argued with so many men who believe that we're on the brink of civilizational collapse because women are achieving equality in civic power; they've e…
/r/MensRights16/08/22 01:34 AM
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This isn't an invective against men. Hey, I'm gonna level with you. I really have no interest in reading what you're writing. I hope that you're well, though.
/r/MensRights16/08/22 01:25 AM
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I don't know what should suffice to you, then, if you're unwilling to believe in statistics concerning sexual assault. What I've said might be anecdotal, but I never intended for it to be more than that. I mean, I could bring up some of the guys that I've known, who were used by their babysitter, or seduced by their stepmother--or one man that I know who was forced to watch porn and masturbate with his father, along with being forced to have sex with his mother. The point of what I'm saying isn'…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:51 PM
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The fact remains that, among kings & emperors, among senates and governing bodies, among armies and town watches--nearly all of these roles were filled by men. Almost never were these roles filled by women. The fact that there existed a serfdom where for every one cavalry there required ninety peasants isn't a fact lost on me--but that cavalry was assuredly a man, and he held much power--and he not only held this power but was eager for war where he was promised land and women, among other thing…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:41 PM
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Stronger, yes, but that doesn't preclude women from being able to serve in a law enforcement or military capacity. Meritocracy isn't a necessary idea for a functioning society; doing something well enough is more than sufficient, and weapons have done so much to level the field of warfare. Even as we explain man's affinity for military and police roles (roles of power) historically, we are not debunking the existence of patriarchy, but affirming it, by concluding that men found themselves in the…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 11:23 PM
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Raising children is the most essential labor to society; it's simply not monetizable. Socialist philosophers do talk about rewarding reproductive labor. I think it's pretty cynical to criticize a woman for not taking on her reproductive labor as if it's only a labor of love. Countries like Sweden do subsidize reproductive labor, and the number one reason we haven't achieved that in the U.S. is because conservatives don't want to reward mothers of color.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 09:05 PM
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Men uniquely, nearly ubiquitously, had a role of power, particularly where law, military and the enforcement of law are concerned--and that standard continues into the modern day where women only make up approximately 30% in government offices, as judges, and less than 20% in law enforcement and in the military. Whenever you're talking about the subjugation of people, you must first look at these roles of power--especially the military class as you look back in time, to see who is enforcing the …
/r/MensRights15/08/22 08:35 PM
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I have been interacting with many men across platforms here on Reddit who echo the sentiments of this article--it's a call to return to antiquity under the pretense that we should fear lonely men who can't adapt to a world where women have equal rights, blaming women for violence and demographic decline for choosing to pursue an education and a career. This article also leans into the gender essentialist red pill philosophy of casting women as hypergamous, and the anti-liberal perspective by cit…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 08:00 PM
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He didn't have a legal course of action--and we really have no idea what their sex life was like. That's all just speculation. They already had two kids, and it's really strange to refer to the beginning stages of pregnancy as a milestone. You can wax all you want about the 'opportunity to participate in the family's growth planning' but the wife simply didn't want to be pregnant and have another child. To me it sounded like the OP really didn't accept her legal authority to have an abortion. Th…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 07:43 PM
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I mean, I understand that, man. It's not like we're out of the woods--we're going to be facing climate crisis for the foreseeable future. I don't know if we're gonna see China try to take Taiwan, but I think the prognosis is worse than for Russia to take Ukraine. China relies on imports to function and they're facing a worse demographic decline than Russia by far at this point. Sure, they want Taiwan so they can access the coast, but it seems like an impossibility, from what I've heard. I tend t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:00 PM
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The pretext that I'm reading here, in the OP and in the comments, is that it should be his right. He's saying that she killed his son. And now she's inundating herself with unspiritual feminist propaganda to justify her decision. This isn't just about the lack of communication, which you could assume underscores their entire relationship. Understandably communication is important in a relationship, and understandably you can feel betrayed by a lack of communication. I'm wondering, in this situat…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 06:21 PM
1

What respect did he deserve here, exactly? If the marriage wasn't going to work because they have differing values that's the end of the discussion.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 05:12 PM
1

Right--but the implied notion here seems to be that a man should have legal precedent over a woman's pregnancy because they "share" the child. It's obviously justified for a man to divorce a woman whose values don't align--nobody is saying otherwise.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 05:11 PM
0

Because that's literally what people are talking about.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 05:09 PM
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Yes, exactly. It sounds like she didn't want another child and she didn't want to go through pregnancy again, and that's a choice that you should respect. While she's sitting there watching Oprah, she's able to enjoy her life the way that she wants to. The marriage didn't work out, understandably even for the reason that you disagreed about having another child--that's a very real outcome of marriages that you can be prepared for. I'm not gonna sit here and say that she's a monster or that this …
/r/MensRights15/08/22 05:40 AM
3

A thousand years ago, literacy wasn't necessary for survival. Two thousand years ago the Roman Empire bowed to a popular religion claiming that there is no authority higher than God--and that religion shaped Western Civilization thenceforth. Survival is an evolving paradigm, and we now live in an age with the greatest reach of communication the world has ever known, with the greatest transvergence of language that's ever taken place--and we live in a global marketplace in a world where famine ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:22 AM
3

Fear of angry men who are unable to adapt to a world where women have parity in power, you're saying, is what should guide our civilization. This reminds me of when people like Tucker Carlson say things like, "With all these LGBTQ people we're reaching Weimar levels of degeneracy."--echoed by many conservatives (whose sole desire is to maintain the status of men as a gender class over women) who will say this as if to imply, "Uh oh everyone! We wouldn't want to elect another Hitler! That would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:06 AM
2

Cultural suicide. It's just as good as I imagined it would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:56 AM
0

Omfg, this guy is here --> abagus101 Guy who is stuck in pre-industrial patriarchal politics, everybody. Civilization is gonna collapse, trade routes will shut down, and we'll return to feudalism because women are reaching for parity in power politics. It's the exact guy that the OP is talking about--you know the guy; models his love life after Picasso and Freud, compares the philosophy of Descartes and Kant--and he's one-hundred percent certain that feminist action has resulted in the dissoluti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:42 AM
0

Who gives a shit--it's a red herring anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:31 AM
-8

Like, cleaning up, from the sound of it.
/r/MensRights14/08/22 02:05 AM
1

Patriarchy does still exist institutionally where there are roles of power that are male-dominated; government is closing that gap, and to a lesser degree police, judges and military, for example--but institutions aren't the only form that patriarchy can manifest, as it can also be manifested socially, which is what I think you'll primarily see discussed these days. For example, men previously benefited from being the heirs to civil society, where as women generally served behind their partner a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/22 04:15 AM
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Well said, and I think you're hinting that the feminist space can be a bit that way too, but imo there's no comparison. For one feminist spaces are wary of the manosphere to begin with, so when men's issues come up they often understandably react by rejecting them; and two, manosphere spaces, such as r/mensrights, are vehemently against any form of consolidation into the realm of intersectional social justice--so, from my perspective, for as long as men's spaces continue to embody elements of he…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 05:07 PM
3

I don't know why you chose this obscure logical road to follow when your original post makes it clear that you're in favor of denying trans people their preferred pronouns and even hormone replacement theory. I'm sure that your beliefs are informed by your Marxian views, likely in solidarity with fourth wave feminists and their struggle for the liberation of women as a gender class. You make it very clear that you're a biological realist when it comes to gender--but I find even that absurd. Why …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:23 PM
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How? It's not the gender construct that causes most trans individuals distress--it's being misgendered. How is that not easy enough for you to understand? This isn't a war against gender--it's an acknowledgement of gender perception and expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:57 PM
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That's clearly not true when many if not most trans individuals clearly want to be gendered, and for those who don't have that option of using they/them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:52 PM
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Affirming gender identity is supporting trans people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:44 PM
2

Nobody liked the feminism of the times, bro. The question comes down to whether you think that feminism is a vanguard for women's rights or not. Feminism thus far has elevated women and their station in society substantially; there are all sorts of feminists with differing beliefs, but feminism is a generally accepted identity among women who, for example, share the experiences they've had with men in online spaces. Are you upset by, like, 4th wave feminists who are gender critical? Are you upse…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:30 PM
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Yessss, duh. Obviously bro. You didn't have to ask! They said "Do you support trans people"--and you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:23 PM
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Love this response. It's so wickedly insane how guys constantly try to pass these soft questions like, "why don't you support men's rights? there's nothing wrong with men's rights"--while never, ever, ever addressing the problems in that space and the manosphere in general. "Why you no like men's right? Am just soft wittle rabbit! uwu!"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:22 PM
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Gender essentialism is a shit idea. Especially when you want to present this image of men as gentlemen in the presence of women and killers in the presence of other men; and if you're not suggesting that then to suggest that war is a role that men play. Whatever role war has in the future, it would be an altogether more healthy endeavor to include women within the caste of warriors. Flip the idea on its head and let's say that chivalry belongs to women; when they sit at the table with men they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 09:07 PM
1

I have no problem with anyone using the phrase "gynocentrism" being artificially suppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 05:50 AM
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As you can see, the views of most men here have a position that is rather indistinct from gender critical feminists. I wish that the men's rights community was capable of criticizing its own members and the greater population of men at large. This sub has courted gender essentialist ideas to for quite some time and made its only goal to deconstruct feminism, even when all they're deconstructing is a strawman, to achieve the singular purpose of manufacturing outrage and defining male victimhood, …
/r/MensRights06/08/22 08:38 PM
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Nobody is saying that--but I am saying that we should be honest about what's happened in the world--and the men of this sub can not acknowledge that men have been the greatest antagonists to achieving the goals of men's rights. A lot of the guys who are attracted to this forum continue to court bigotry; I've seen a lot of gender essentialism (women / men want this, behave this way; trans identities aren't valid) being thrown around on this forum--and what does it amount to? There's actually an i…
/r/MensRights06/08/22 06:24 PM
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You turned his right around to being sexist by assuming gender essentialist ideas. Women need to be in a relationship more than men? Men would be fine masturbating to porn for the rest of their life? That's sexist, dude.
/r/MensRights06/08/22 06:00 PM
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Hey. I really appreciate your post. You present your ideas and experiences coherently and with good reason. I respect what you're saying in theory, but my experience with the men's rights sub has been different. There's no doubt in my mind that many if not most of the men there truly care about men's rights on some level, and I think there are a few instances where men supporting the creation of shelters, or intimately discussing their experiences with being falsely accused or facing discriminat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 05:57 PM
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Circumcision, the draft, incarceration. On a lot of issues men are more likely to be outspoken antagonists. Especially on issues like female teachers raping male students. This sub does nothing but pretend that feminists created and perpetuate these issues.
/r/MensRights06/08/22 01:42 AM
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It's true. When you're talking about the historical oppression of men, you have to acknowledge that men did that to themselves. Women, of course, had it much worse. No access to power, little control over their lives, constantly exposed to sexual violence and inhibited by the status of pregnancy, then dealing with high rates of death during pregnancy. Too many guys on this forum deny that. But, what's more is even beyond the historical oppression of men and women, in the modern day men are often…
/r/MensRights06/08/22 12:03 AM
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Most feminists today are just concerned with being treated well like human beings. You on the other hand have made your gender essentialist bigotry very well known. Feminism has served women's interests for a century. Your problem is just with women's interests. The nuclear family? Divorce rates? Decline in family values? Women have adapted beyond you, and your dismissal of feminism is little more than a veil of your interest in returning women to "their place in society".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:53 PM
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I see what you mean--it's surprising that the men's rights community generally doesn't court red pill ideology; I suspect this is mostly because red pill ideas often contradict notions of male victimhood, and emulating female oppression is the primary concern of MRAs. I think that may be changing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 06:11 PM
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I think you have a rosy misconception of the men's rights movement. I've followed their Reddit frequently, because I'd hoped that this could actually be a healthy movement--it's not. The strategy that they've adopted in order to draw as many guys in as possible is to blame feminism for all of their problems, embellish their oppression by positioning examples of every instance where a woman is treated differently, deny the historical and modern oppression of women--and this is the most important …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 05:52 PM
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Number 3 -- you jump straight to gender essentialism -- this is why nobody likes the manosphere -- it's just teaching you to be toxic assholes; and the manosphere is not going to hold men accountable when they abuse women. Your definition of holding men accountable is just blaming men for not getting pussy, and telling them to man up and do a chin-up. The manosphere will never produce a healthy analysis of women's historical condition, a balanced concept of a relationship, nor will it ever addre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 05:34 PM
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This just feels like strawmanning women to me. Who is this woman that always picks shitty guys that we're talking about? You just made up this person to center the conversation around, because, every time the idea of criticizing men for being really crappy people and predatory the response is always, "of course criticize them, but that's not what we're talking about. PPD doesn't exactly have a record for men looking inwards, for analysing women's historical condition and the prevalence of toxic …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 04:26 PM
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I think that feminism is fine. It can be for equality while being a women's movement that emphasizes women's issues. And we can have an equality movement for men, if we do it responsibly. I don't think r/mensrights is that place, or that movement. I don't think this is a place where most of its members come seeking advice, validation and a genuine concern for men and men's rights. I see way too much of men here just seeking to annihilate feminism, deny the historical and modern struggles of wome…
/r/MensRights04/08/22 04:52 PM
1

What if they're the people who are affected saying it's wrong? If we're talking theoretically here, and this is just crazy feminists and wokelords so are saying this, it shouldn't affect us in real life, right? We can get the attention of a lady on a bus and say, "Excuse me, miss? I think that you're so beautiful. I really like your eyes."--and it's nooooo problem, everything works the way that it should in real life; but that's not how it works. Instead the woman feels awkward, feels obligated …
/r/MensRights03/08/22 10:49 PM
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If people don't think it's acceptable, then why are we here trying to argue that it is?
/r/MensRights03/08/22 10:22 PM
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It sounds like you believe in rape apologism, man. Reminds me of the judges who say shit like, "a rape charge would ruin this young man's career". Having consequences for sexual assault isn't alienating men and women--sexual assault is alienating men and women.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 10:04 PM
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You haaaaave to understand how women can get fed up with being catcalled, told that they "should smile more" or even feel entitled to have a chat with you. If a woman doesn't want "nice guys chatting" with her, how should she respond to them? Because from what I read of women's experiences, they really do put up with these situations all the time, even when they say they're married, even when they clearly say that they're not interested--at what point does r/mensrights acknowledge women's experi…
/r/MensRights03/08/22 09:57 PM
1

The U.S. Navy is the reason that we still have free trade routes across the world.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 04:39 AM
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Can we not make this an anti-woman issue? Can we just be against the draft, please?
/r/MensRights03/08/22 04:35 AM
1

I think that it's actually quite a communicable subreddit where women can generally go to find good advice for what they're looking for in a relationship. There are some mild toxic ideologies that circulate there, but overall I think it's a much healthier place than PPD, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 02:26 AM
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This is a mischaracterization of both the science of sex and the socialization of gender. Genetics are agnostic--they do not intend to create "male" and "female" but only facilitate survival, which had created a variety of phenotypical markers which can be expressed with a great deal of variety in individuals. For example, there is a small percentage of individuals who are XX chromosomes who live their lives as men knowing none the wiser, being a Chimaera of different phenotypical expressions. T…
/r/MensRights31/07/22 11:09 PM
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Going by just this subreddit, yeah--it is just a toxic movement that courts intolerance.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 10:46 PM
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That's not true. There have historically been many cultures that have had a variety of gender identities, such at many Northern Native American tribes, who have consolidated the many tribes different traditions into an identity known as "two-spirit", which was very common and often served an important ceremonial function for the tribe. The same can be said for many other cultures, such as in pre-colonial Africa iirc; so to say what you are is fundamentally imposing a Western perspective onto the…
/r/MensRights31/07/22 04:54 AM
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Full stop, you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, what defines the male or female sex? Is it hormones? Bone structure? Chromosomes? Gametogenesis? Genitals? Because all of those things can be different sexed, which happens in intersex individuals--but here's the lesson that you should understand--that you do understand, but refuse to acknowledge, which is that gender is a social construct--and it always has been, and it's always worked for human beings that way; no one ever ba…
/r/MensRights31/07/22 04:49 AM
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Normal people actually really like woke culture. Men's Rights will never be the antidote to wokeness and will only ever be perceived as a hate movement for as long as it rejects intersectional justice.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 04:39 AM
1

I really like Lush's Rentless, Lord of Misrule and Dirty. Very, very nice colognes for a man (they call them perfumes). My favorite happens to be Junk, though--I didn't think I'd like grape so much, but it's a nice, friendly scent. If you had to pick one I'd go with Rentless.
/r/RedPillWomen29/07/22 08:48 PM
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I think abortion should just be legally available for women, lol.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 03:48 AM
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That's not what incels are saying that anyone has a problem with. It's more about the forums where the rhetoric of wishing rape on women is highly tolerated. If men's rights activists focused on their core message they would probably receive a lot more sympathy.
/r/MensRights26/07/22 04:48 PM
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I'm not trans myself, nor am I an expert, but I've seen it suggested a few ways, but I don't think that acknowledging gender as a social construct delegitimizes trans people's claim that they were born trans. I have seen it suggested that trans individuals are biologically trans, and what happens is that the chromosomal expression of different parts of their body wind up being either male or female--so someone with a male body and male hormones could have a female brain. I also don't think that …
/r/MensRights24/07/22 07:30 PM
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The biggest criticism I have of what your wrote is that you make the time-tested mistake of assuming what the nature of male and female are; this can be seen in lines such as, "In women, jealousy is almost synonymous with hatred toward the target of jealousy."--""in women, there is almost no emotional border between jealousy and hatred"--which is very unclear in what this sentiment is trying to express, but in a way that is explicitly gendered. You, for example, regard females uniquely inherent …
/r/MensRights24/07/22 06:58 PM
0

Haha, well played! You've forced me to admit that my response to you was said more in the spirit of contest, to get you to admit that you've embodied the traits of your worst enemy, than from a place of authenticity--but I can say this... I believe in men's rights, but I do not believe that the men who frequent r/mensrights are effectively advocating for men's rights or creating a space where men can be supported--what I believe is that the men here are using men's rights issues as a foil to att…
/r/MensRights24/07/22 05:23 PM
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The idea that men subsidizing women is traditionalist is an obsfucation of the reality of what's happening there; in socialist literature it's well established that welfare for women lends to their independence, which makes up for disparities in gender that exist in an economic marketplace such as reproductive labor. What is traditional is having one specific woman depending on one specific man--not women independently interfacing with a socialist economic system where men subsidize women's inde…
/r/MensRights24/07/22 04:07 PM
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I don't like this sub, as someone who truly believes in men's rights (as men's rights issues, not as merely men's issues: circumcision, male draft, incarceration rates and unfair sentencing, paternity rights) because the men here clearly are incapable of expressing sincere sympathy and desire for the cause, instead choosing to manufacture outrage, and are never content to discuss men's rights, but instead feel the need to strawman feminism like it's men's boogie man, because the men here can't a…
/r/MensRights24/07/22 03:09 PM
0

You're basically the masculine version of a feminist. Don't kid yourself thinking that you're "one of the good ones"--you wouldn't even afford feminists that luxury.
/r/MensRights24/07/22 02:50 PM
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Oh gosh. Here it comes--the red pill is bleeding into r/mensrights. I'm prepared for the apocalypse of value contradictions that are going to result as MRAs try to reconcile their values with TRP, where the only middle ground is a mutual disdain for women.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:50 PM
4

The crushing oppression of gynocentrism.
/r/MensRights23/07/22 05:47 PM
1

Obviously this all comes down to preference--but I think this question is easy enough to answer and it's weird that you feel like you have to ask it: you should be able to reasonably expect that you yourself have some control over your sexuality where as it feels like you're surrending to some perverted notion of human instinct where some guy has to watch girls get choked or his day is just fucked up. If you love someone then obviously you can make changes for them--and that's where I am with my…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:11 AM
1

That feels ridiculous to me, but then again I'm not your target audience. My ideal relationship is one where I carry on with my steady life and she carries on with hers, and we don't do anything performatively, but acknowledge each other's values and grow in trust and knowledge of one another while asking ourselves what love and what a relationship means. Then we can enter into something that we fully understand and are fully a part of, without any pretense or doubt in our minds. I hope that mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:49 PM
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I really don't like framing things this way because it leaves the question open to negotiation, like, "well, if it's not rape if a guy is hard, then it must not be rape if a woman is wet". I think we should just be unequivocal in condemning both without the question of uncertainty, because men for the most part still believe that being raped by a woman makes a man lucky or is a joke and would gladly make that trade.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 02:22 PM
2

Feminism champions equality, but they don't advocate for equality from the male perspective--they believe that it's the responsibility of men to advocate for their own equality. That process is going to go a lot smoother when we stop blaming feminists for all of our problems and begin to address issues responsibly and take accountability for our own movement and for men's involvement in making our rights a reality.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 02:17 PM
6

The crushing oppression of gynocentrism.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 01:23 PM
0

That's such a strawman, dude. Feminism isn't about advocating for men's rights, and feminists are very clear about that. Men have to do that advocacy--and you make it seem like only feminists are against the all-male draft when too often men are behind the decisions that engage men's rights advocates so much. It's on you to make a difference as a man and to present a healthy image for what a men's rights advocate can be. Personally I don't want anything to do with the manufactured outage and tar…
/r/MensRights22/07/22 12:06 PM
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Well, I mean look at men's rights. Y'all are insane. You think you gave a good name? You're just gonna keep playing the victim, while blaming feminists for doing everything that you are.
/r/MensRights22/07/22 11:46 AM
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Don't take r/mensrights too seriously. A lot of guys have shared their legitimate stories of being assaulted, falsely accused and discriminated against, and there's a lesson in that--but most of that people who post here come here to manufacture outrage and to strawman feminists. In a very serious sense they've become their own worst enemy by projecting the worst of values they attribute to feminists themselves. There are tons of wonderful feminists who simply want men to adapt to the challenge …
/r/MensRights22/07/22 03:43 AM
2

Attractive men pose less of a risk to women because of the ease by which they're able to secure new partners, whereas less attractive men are more likely to resort to mating tactics that have historically worked for men, such as rape, manipulation, control, stalking, etc--so yes, women have very good reason to be wary of men, and despite men's best wishes to be perceived as sweet and safe, too many men have embraced hegemonic ideals of masculinity and imposed their biased notions of human nature…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:38 PM
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Yeah--they were all raised with access to the same unhealthy media that informed their opinions on women and relationships, and nearly all engage in relationships in the same unhealthy, selfish way with the same unhealthy expectations and what a woman is and what they are to men. How difficult would it be for me to flick on a show where some hegemonic man wins a woman as a reward for his virtues? Even though times are changing these ideas still dominate the lives of boys as they grow into the ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:32 PM
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This is so unhinged, bro. You gotta get out of that box you call your head and radically change the ideas informing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:23 PM
2

I think it's important to express vulnerability here in a sub that men want to be a place where not only men's rights issues are addressed, but men's issues in general. I think it's sad that most members on this sub are only interested in forming a witch hunt against feminism.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 09:47 PM
3

Hey man. I just want to say that, like, you seem like a really great guy, and I wish I could say that your wife is in a place to recognize what she has. Maybe one day she will--but right now it seems like you have no choice but to just let go of her and leave your fate together as chance. I've read some of your comments, so I understand where you're coming from when you say that you'd like to hope that this works out. I don't believe in God--I'm actually rather outspoken as an atheist; but I've …
/r/MensRights18/07/22 02:21 AM
0

Even without praising Eliot Rodgers--which those communities do tolerate--they still occupy dangerous and unhealthy beliefs. I'm not a stranger of the incel community--they truly are sick and are dangerous. Acknowledging that doesn't prevent us from acknowledging and validating the struggles and personal pain of individuals, but the pain these individuals feel is often exaggerated, conflated with attitudes of entitlement, and are reinforced with false and menacing perceptions of women and of fem…
/r/MensRights17/07/22 10:54 PM
0

My critique of the incel movement isn't rooted in hatred--it's acknowledging the problems and unhealthy beliefs that define the members who identify as and constitute the incel community.
/r/MensRights17/07/22 10:24 PM
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Inceldom is absolutely an ideology, where their beliefs and attitudes are often what repels women the most, or contradictorily prevent incels from pursuing women that are available to them, as men are understandably perceived as dangerous--especially unattractive men who have historically relied more on ownership over women and rape to secure mates compared to attractive men. Incels are obviously threatening individuals with rigid hegemonic beliefs, and to fall back on an appeal to nature fallac…
/r/MensRights17/07/22 09:47 PM
1

That's really not an excuse; you know their ideology isn't intrinsically a part of their radicalization.
/r/MensRights17/07/22 08:38 PM
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I think it's pretty strongly correlated to a particular ideology that promotes misogyny, pigeon-holing nature and denigrating women to a particular role in the human space. I think incel ideology is defined by aggravated entitlement--not fitting into the in-group of their perceived social order (alpha Chad) but while still batting for the social order that seeks to calcify hegemonic masculinity. I don't see how you can deny the strong correlation that exists between incels and far-right fascists…
/r/MensRights17/07/22 03:29 AM
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I dunno man, I don't have a problem with the representation I'm seeing, and I don't have a problem with counter-culture emerging against the entitlements that men have lived with throughout the 20th century. I don't watch T.V. or see new movies, but I just took a look at what's playing in theaters and didn't see anything indicative of the theme you're suggesting; pretty much all of these films have a male protagonist and are clearly marketed to boys or men.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 07:21 PM
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I think Everything Everywhere All At Once was an amazing film that portrayed women in a very dynamic way, centering their interests while allowing them to be both powerful and less than perfect. Also, Ripley.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 07:15 PM
2

I'm opposed to the instinctual argument. I think it's a foil to use nature as a tool to argue for social change. Very little about civilization is natural, and what you personally experience can just as easily be an expectation that was reinforced into you by societal factors--not necessarily indicative of your nature as a man. Humanity has been through this process time after time just to be proven wrong; classifying women and minorites as stupid or soulless, animals as unconscious. In NA Indig…
/r/MensRights16/07/22 12:29 PM
0

Jesus... You're really playing it up.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 06:45 PM
0

Feminists are largely posting about the kind of harassment and assault they experience at the hands of men--and it is because of feminist activism, and increasing female representation that women are safer today--not because men made the world safer for them.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 02:11 AM
0

I don't hate boys--I just think they deserve better role models than r/mensrights. My male gender philosophy revolves around real issues that boys and men face--not around strawmanning feminism and blaming it for men's problems.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 02:09 AM
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Nobody is denying issues that men face here--but to pretend like there aren't lots of men who have been raised with the belief that women are their quarry. It wasn't fifty years ago that a twelve year old Brooke Shields was described as "a sultry mix of all-American virgin and nascent whore" in High Times magazine--this culture of idolizing the sexuality of prepubescent women has taken us to this point today where, thanks to feminists and increasing female representation, men no longer enjoy the…
/r/MensRights14/07/22 07:49 PM
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I think feminists are mostly concerned with dangerous men that continue to threaten their safety. Especially globally; even while women are getting beaten and raped for choosing not to wear a hijab in Iran, women are still fighting for the justice from predatory men, legal authorities and medical discrimination in the U.S. Feminists aren't the ones posting on Vindicta. Everyone wants to believe that they're such hypocrites when they mostly just want to be safe and free. I don't see how the mensr…
/r/MensRights14/07/22 04:08 PM
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🤢🤮 Can you expand upon that? What's a traditional man and what's a non-traditional modern woman?
/r/MensRights14/07/22 03:59 PM
1

Children being able to express sexuality is a completely different issue from sexualizing children, especially as adults that have power over them. The point isn't that children can't express sexuality--it's that we want to have a healthy liberal world where people are free from the molestations and perversions of others, where they can exercise as much choice as possible over themselves and their sexual identity and grow into informed and empowered individuals.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 11:21 PM
1

Oh man. I wonder how many guys here in r/mensrights either agree with you or don't think this is unhealthy for the community.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 11:06 PM
3

Double standards aside--why did you feel that this was okay to say about kindergartners? The moral here shouldn't be, "women unfair"--it should be, don't sexualize children! WTH were you thinking?
/r/MensRights11/07/22 09:05 PM
2

I like your story. Good story. I'd like to see more stories like this on the sub. 😎
/r/MensRights11/07/22 02:17 AM
3

It's not like you don't have access to our history that has only changed in the past century, that you still don't experience elements of it as it continues to linger in the minds of men who were born in a previous era, or like you haven't been subjected to media which has continued to portray both historical gender norms or those leading up to contemporary gender norms. You've been exposed to these and many sentiments which continue to pervade our culture admits the greatest civil change that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:42 PM
13

How do these welfare mothers even become mothers in the first place when you're considering the problem modus operandi? Show us the stats of women becoming pregnant from IVF so they can become welfare queens and ignore betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:49 PM
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Or maybe they see it as misogynistic and patriarchal because the RP and incel men do absolutely espouse a dangerous ideology and it's clear that they're reminiscing over an age where women didn't have the rights and liberties that they have today. It couldn't be more obvious how badly y'all want to turn back the clock, and honestly your attitudes and beliefs are the most unattractive things about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:44 PM
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Looks like you're just gonna have to adapt to a world where women have an equal place at the table. (P.S. they're not all just being funded by the state.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:37 PM
2

I think human nature is far more flexible than we know and that perceived differences between men and women are much more likely to be the product of culture than of male versus female nature. I just abhor the "men and women are different by nature"--mostly because it's full of this kind of BS and lacks substantial reason. I mean, "argumentative, aggressive and unemotional" are turn ons in a man? WTF is this bullshit? That's below contempt it's so dumb. The "male / female" nature is mostly peddl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:24 PM
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Because I would like the community to be a strong and healthy community--I believe that there is a real need for men's rights, I just believe that we need to be clear about what actually constitutes as a right and what is simply a men's issue. Circumcision, for example, is a men's rights issue--but not being seen as a monster for being a man isn't a right, it's a men's issue.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 04:08 PM
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I think the MRA community here largely doesn't focus on men's rights as an issue and hyperbolizes as much as possible to reinforce gender class issues, when in reality the broader community of men does not have these biases. Most guys here don't pay attention to women's communities and won't admit that the problems that women have are real. It's a pretty unhealthy movement, imo, even when members are bringing up salient issues, it tends to be clouded by hyperbole.
/r/MensRights09/07/22 03:55 PM
2

I think if you're uncomfortable about it, which is totally understandable, you should try out new ways to respond to it other than saying thanks. It seems like you're genuinely attracted to your partner and really love him; maybe you should try diverting attention away from your appearance by talking about how much you love him and what you love and him. I really think that if you responded that way, it would mean the world to him. Imagine if one day he could make a Reddit post about how attract…
/r/RedPillWomen06/07/22 04:08 AM
5

The first thing I'm noticing is just how much you're doing to qualify yourself, and I don't think that you've internalized just how valuable you are. It seems to me like you have a very low sense of self confidence and that colors your world view and what you think is possible to find in a partner. You absolutely deserve a partner that can be faithful to you, if that's what you really want, and I think that's something that you can definitely find. I guess I would just ask you to ask yourself, w…
/r/RedPillWomen02/07/22 05:00 PM
1

I forgot to mention that I don't believe in meritocracy. The idea that we can all "compete" on an even playing field doesn't have any persuasion over me; I think that people are generally capable of learning and filling in roles and that at the turn of the 21st century, as we now have access to unprecedented communication technology, it's imperative that we turn our attention towards cooperation over competition, which is, I think, a patriarchal ideal that dominated the twentieth century as espe…
/r/MensRights02/07/22 04:42 PM
1

I meant safe for them as in uninviting and at risk of being assaulted--but I can see why women would be hesitant to start jumping into dangerous fields of work anyway; although it's a fact that jobs like meat packing are among the most high risk for injury by are also saturated by women, mostly immigrants.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 04:34 PM
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I think that gender representation is important in nearly every field. It normalizes gender representation and increases gender socialization, which I believe to be very healthy for the maturation of people in general. It's an important time for gender representation. I think women are mostly concerned that work places in typically male dominant roles are not safe for them, and I think that needs to change. There's been a marked transition in the 20th century that has given women individuality, …
/r/MensRights02/07/22 07:28 AM
2

You're exactly right--a sub titled r/mensissues would be a much better place to approach men's issues in general when they're not related to rights. Most of the content on this sub isn't related to rights at all.
/r/MensRights27/06/22 04:22 PM
2

Exactly. I feel like that omission in the original post here is giving people the wrong impression. Boundaries aren't about enforcing your preferences onto a partner--they're about being able to enforce those boundaries by leaving a relationship, or otherwise protecting yourself, when those boundaries are crossed.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 05:33 AM
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As long as you add that the appropriate measures to maintain boundaries is to distance yourself from the relationship--yes. That is what boundaries look like and you're right to have them. But if you want a partner that acts and dresses a certain way, and you're just telling her to change how she presents herself without having a plan to exit that relationship--those aren't boundaries; that is controlling.
/r/MensRights23/06/22 05:27 AM
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I think as men this is something that we have to bring to the table. Homophobia is by and large upheld by men. We should stop pointing our fingers at feminists, because they're not the root of our problems--we need to acknowledge that men put up the most resistance against our cause.
/r/MensRights22/06/22 04:00 AM
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That part came with a caveat; he used to stop to chat about his work with his peers when he was identifying as a woman--but since transitioning realized that men don't want to talk, and just settle for a head nod.
/r/MensRights21/06/22 05:17 PM
1

Wtf, r/mensrights
/r/MensRights16/06/22 05:46 PM
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Because I care about men's issues--but I'm not here to rattle pitchforks with a mob over completely irrational bullshit.
/r/MensRights15/06/22 12:13 AM
2

Rose colored glasses to think that...
/r/MensRights14/06/22 06:22 AM
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If you don't want that in your marriage then it's not okay--and your reasons are perfectly fine desires to have for what you are looking for from your love life. Maybe you have to acknowledge that, in accordance with your boundaries, that separation is an option, is on the table. Your husband, whatever he's going through, I don't think is responsible enough to even know or be able to express what he feels and what he wants. I imagine that if he knows that separation is in the table, the next thi…
/r/RedPillWomen12/06/22 09:12 AM
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This whole thread is all about attacking a strawman. It assumes a general opinion without being backed up by even an anecdote. In that regard this whole thread is just manufactured outage. All this serves to do is to calcify the followers here's irrational bias, so that--not that it's the world around us that reinforces this sentiment of mind--but that it is a projection, a strawman, invented by our community without any real-world feedback. And further, this community will go further to diagnos…
/r/MensRights07/06/22 09:08 PM
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There isn't even any skepticism or critical thinking on this sub. It's just an echo chamber.
/r/MensRights07/06/22 05:22 PM
2

Here's the issue with this: The only-men draft is absolutely a men's rights issue. That's where the issue ends as an issue of rights. The fact is that it has been men who are sending men to die in wars, for th longest time--but here we are projecting this absolutely non-empirical and totally biased idea that only women are trying to send men into war, that only women think that it's a man's role to fight and die in war, and that women themselves don't want to fight in war. I imagine that if ther…
/r/MensRights06/06/22 05:09 PM
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"feminists will see patriarchy even in a room full of women"--do you have an example of this, or is this just a projection? I've had my own qualms with the use of the word "patriarchy", which typically I've ascribed to institutions where men have typically held power--these can range from the military and police to government, and even academia and medicine; but patriarchalism, I think, can even be interpreted socially by observing the mating strategies of men who symptomatically use deception, …
/r/MensRights05/06/22 11:52 PM
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What do you mean when you say women are being paid millions of dollars to watch TV? And when was the last time that you went to war? Why do people upvote comments like this?
/r/MensRights05/06/22 05:50 PM
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Ugghhhh! Dude, why did you go there? That's the most ridiculous red herring you could have come up with. That's not nature--and that's not a normal. You know what most men are actually going to do? Adapt--like women have been doing in the past century when they've been granted their most significant rights as individuals. Oh my gaaaaahd.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 03:59 AM
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When are men going to address that they've mostly been bad and dangerous partners? Men would be doing all men a real solid if they could start working on socializing themselves differently as a gender-class instead of trying to blame women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 01:55 PM
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She's most definitely living in his head, bro. That's definitely suspect for sure. You seem like such a class act--this is my advice. I know you said you were all jealous and told him not to talk about it, right? Well, if you really like him, and you really think there's a chance for the two of you--you gotta talk to him about this. You've got to make him feel comfortable with talking about this with you. Otherwise you should really take the initiative and leave him, I think. Ask him... "You kno…
/r/RedPillWomen30/04/22 11:57 PM
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Echoing the sentiment of several women in this thread suggesting that invisibility is often an as a perk when considered against creepy male attention: I think this conversation is best framed from the male perspective--because this isn't about blaming women. It's about men wanting to feel desired, and more intently about men being denied the same level of eroticism afforded to women. It's typically men who are fawning over women, sexualizing their bodies, and wishing for intense sexual experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 02:45 PM
1

You don't think that things have improved significantly, that people care just as much about the truth as you, and you don't think you're here to argue that women can't make for effective leaders--or you don't think that women can make for effective leaders..?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 08:58 PM
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The difference between the present and the world just a hundred years ago is night and day, it's so stark. You pointing out that the world isn't perfect in no way invalidates just how far we've come. You choose to believe that you care about the truth, like you're fighting this war all alone? That's so deluded--people are just trying to survive. Of course people care about what's true. I just want to be clear--are you explicitly here to argue that women are unfit to be leaders?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 07:06 PM
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A civilization where women are incorporated into roles of leadership and power is for cert ain a healthier civilization. Modern industry and communication blows holes in every pre-conceived notion of what high-fitness civilization looks like; conservatives are basically dinosaurs at this point, and their only strategy is to try to hold back progress to cling to their failing ideals. We can record and share anything in this day and age--obsolescent ideas stand no chance in the face of a scientifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 01:30 AM
1

You touched on something here. These responses are manic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 01:24 AM
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Well, there might be a chance that you can become a powerful sorcerer and bring the world to its knees in supplication of your will--but that's a very slim chance, so my advice to you would be you get the duck over it, because nobody cares what you think. They get to be whoever they want, and the world wasn't created in your image. Grow up and find a sick masc. woman who does drag and ducks like a god, or die alone, bro. You are a product of the world--not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:27 AM
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Or you could, you know. Be an authentic person and find someone that is down to earth with a normal body to have a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 03:50 PM
1

To be fair, most men have internalized misandry in that they agree with circumcision.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 05:45 AM
1

I think that that if you feel like women's courtship rituals are convoluted and shallow that you aren't compatible with them, and that there are plenty of actually way cooler women out there that you would be more compatible with and able to have a good relationship with, as long as you can overcome your own issues with authenticity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 09:51 AM
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None of this is to deny that women can be toxic unhealthy individuals, or that they haven't been throughout history. None of this is to glorify women and extoll their nature as angels. I'm just not denying the historical subjugation of women. Whether that's biological or environmental, I'm not really concerned with that answer, because it's now possible for men and women to be equal and it's possible for men to be healthy. There's no doubt that there have always been healthy and respectful men, …
/r/MensRights04/04/22 09:42 AM
2

Ghengis Khan's genes exist in something like 8% of all Asian people; men *do* have a prominent history of sexual violence. You can point to a few situations where women were leaders--even tyrants--but men have predominantly been in control throughout history, and that is both a gendered and class issue. It's not sensible to deny the oppression of females throughout a male-dominated history of empires. Even in European peasant towns, men were generally subjecting women to their roles while making…
/r/MensRights03/04/22 08:54 PM
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That's so anecdotal. There are a lot of female cops out there, and you don't need the Juggernaut to threaten someone physically at every call. More often than not mediation is the solution.
/r/MensRights03/04/22 06:02 PM
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I don't naturally assume female incompetency. If anything, I assume female ingenuity.
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:58 PM
2

POWER. Like enforcing the law and wielding weapons. It would be so irrational to think that women joining the police force would result in more cases of men being falsely incriminated for sexual crimes when the your concerns have been facilitated by a nearly entirely all-male police force up to now. I think having more women in the police force would be an incredibly healthy change. That kind of thing gives me hope, as a man who is tired of being cast into the mold of a predator.
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:50 PM
0

We're living in a time that for the first time in human history isn't saturated by patriarchal domination, where territorial militancy was the status quo, where slavery isn't the modus operandi of civilization, and where women legitimately have a place in spaces of power and academics. Rape has been one of man's most prolific methods of reproduction and we are coming from an age where the sexual suppression and exploitation of women was normalized and commonplace. I don't think there's any sense…
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:46 PM
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As a movement, are you really doing any better? Feminists do have legitimate concerns--and my concern is living in a country where roles of power are male-dominated. My only interest here is living in a healthy society--that means one that addresses women's safety issues and provides welfare for families--because I want to be enabled as a healthy guy. The fact that the police force is known for its brutality and is often and engine for racist and sex trafficking doesn't bode well for me. I do th…
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:37 PM
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A terrible cop attacks, threatens and rapes people. There's no comparison between terrible cops and great cops. I don't know how you can say that thinking rationally at all; it just seems like you're expressing misogyny.
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:33 PM
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I have a lot of grievances about feminism and about woke spaces in general, but I also recognize the legitimacy of their concerns. The fact is that I don't really fit in there--and I don't fit in here, either, precisely because of comments like yours; thus I'm doomed to wander forever as an outcast in liminal spaces. I don't think that you're any better than a feminist, honestly.
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:31 PM
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It does, in societal roles of power. Like I said--I'm not comfortable living in a society where all of the power roles are filled by men. That's bad for good men like me.
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:06 PM
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Well, I'll tell ya. As a citizen of the United States, I have a lot of interest in increasing the number of women in law enforcement. Police forces around the country have been a very unhealthy men's club, where some of the most awful crimes are committed and go unpunished. When feminist complain about misogyny and toxic masculinity, law enforcement is one of the places where this has a very real effect. Lots of women end up giving up on law enforcement training because of the sexist & toxic att…
/r/MensRights03/04/22 07:01 AM
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Honestly, I think this is a great idea, and that it's very important that we are more female representation in positions of authority and leadership. If we're talking about actually oppressive power structures that exhibit actual symptoms of patriarchalism--we're talking about the police force. The military. This kind of thing honestly gives me hope for a more equitable future. I get the whole pushback against feminist wokeness going way off the deep end--but in terms of outcomes and men sheddin…
/r/MensRights03/04/22 05:57 AM
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I think my perspective tends to be quite unique here in r/mensrights, and I've had plenty of criticisms here of other men's posts; although, lately I've become very disenfranchised by the left and by social justice / woke sentiments in general. Feminism is something that I've always felt a strong obligation to associate myself with, as well as a sickening feeling like something isn't right--and lately, it seems like the message that I've gotten from the wokesphere online is that I should care ab…
/r/MensRights01/04/22 11:34 PM
1

If my thread was deleted, I'm guessing it's because I included race in the discussion? I've thought that threads disappeared sometimes when they haven't before.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 04:35 PM
1

Interesting, heh! I actually don't shave my head, though! I decided to be proud of the hair I have left.
/r/MensRights28/03/22 04:34 PM
0

Oof. These comments are looking pretty ugly. Your post should be super appreciated here, but I'm feeling like it's being wasted on some pretty vile people right now.
/r/MensRights25/03/22 06:28 PM
1

Personally, I think men's internalized homophobia and lack of body positivity are a bigger barrier to relating to women and making them feel comfortable. Men don't even think that men are attractive. We have all sorts of awful strategies for securing mates--manipulation, threats. For men, their penises are either a joke or a weapon--imagine if men actually got to the point where the consider themselves erotic beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 11:14 PM
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Yeah, breh. I chose Beastmaster as my class and my pets do most of my damage for me. No--come on, man--where's the content of your message? I stated my opinion, you stated yours. I don't see why you have to make this about hate.
/r/MensRights23/03/22 11:04 PM
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Is this not my community? Not your community? I think you're huffing and puffing over nothing. What did you think was going to happen here when you decided to play lord over my comment?
/r/MensRights23/03/22 05:54 AM
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I understand that you don't like what I said--but that was my opinion, speaking from my experience. I don't know who you think that I was speaking on behalf of their experience.
/r/MensRights23/03/22 04:28 AM
1

r/mensrights is an open community where I voiced my opinion on the direction of our community
/r/MensRights23/03/22 12:49 AM
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A big part about this, and something that we as men have control over, is creating a community of body positivity. The unfortunate reality is that men and women are both equally likely to shame you, as a man, for your appearance online. Men typically never deviate from the outside active selfie for their profile picture, whereas women choose well lit indoor settings and are comfortable posting their bodies on the internet. I think that homophobia plays a big role in men's upbringing, particularl…
/r/MensRights22/03/22 11:26 PM
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That guy isn't worth defending, and I can honestly say that one of the only things I'm proud of about the r/mensrights community is that we are not saturated with red pill ideology. I read through that article and many of that guy's comments are deplorable. That's a man in his fifties advising men not to date women in their thirties because, quote, having children is the only thing that can validate a woman, and that single women in their thirties passed up on that to live out their hedonistic l…
/r/MensRights22/03/22 05:16 PM
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Come on guys... Let's talk about Men's Rights in the positive sense. Let's build up our community, instead of trying to tear the other one down.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 04:49 PM
1

Oh my gosh, dude. A lot of women are just looking for a kind guy who they can trust and feel safe around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 06:42 PM
1

Unless she finds the right guy. Maybe clutching at pearls isn't the dream that you think that it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 08:43 AM
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Correlation is not causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 11:38 PM
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You're free to not want to date women who have slept with several partners--and they're free to not date you if you ask that question. But to think that a person's "pair bonding" ability is ruined because they've had several partners is ridiculous--and truth be told, you are probably much more capable of manipulation and control than you are of forming meaningful bonds. I imagine that some of the women with the greatest ability to form long term, meaningful bonds with a partner have had many par…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 09:01 PM
2

"Following your nature" is a narrative that you tell yourself to justify your actions. Evolution and survival pressures are far more complex than you know or are capable of figuring out--you could no more explain what beauty and aesthetic are than to know "your own nature". The red pill isn't science, and you shouldn't be basing your life around the notion that, because you're a guy that you want to sleep with as many women as you can. You have a lot more control over your thoughts and feelings …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 10:54 PM
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Alright--I'll answer this unironically, because there are so many crazy people in this thread. My ideal partner: Has their own goals and can live independently, even if I'm supporting them financially. I myself have big goals. I don't really care if my partner shares my ambitions, but I want to find them interesting. Ideally I would be able to get engrossed in their projects and them in mine, when that passion is there. Lets me have a life of my own. That is, isn't co-dependent and our habits ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 08:15 PM
3

So he's looking for a virgin, but he can take multiple partners--and you're just okay with that. So do you live in a doll house?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 07:53 PM
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Tell your boys that they're beautiful and kind. Read to them and support their interests. As they grow older, let them know that getting anywhere in life requires hard work--and encourage them to take their school studies seriously, and to engage in extracurricular & social activities, and invite them to the library where they can learn more about things they're interested in. Let them know that they can do anything if they have the patience and make the effort. Teach them that everyone deserves…
/r/MensRights17/03/22 10:22 PM
2

I didn't enjoy the article. I thought it was full of hyperbolization, if not blatant anti-factualism.
/r/MensRights17/03/22 04:23 PM
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Yo--maybe there's a line of gay dudes waiting to rail you and you don't even know about it. Sex is out there waiting for you, but you just don't want it--so you don't struggle to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:21 AM
0

How do you get "father's are bad, oligarchs are good" from that post? You're twisting words to arrive at a racist narrative--it's utterly insane and beneath contempt, and despicably sad that so many men are eager to agree with you just to push this irrational philosophy.
/r/MensRights17/03/22 01:03 AM
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That's just way too conspiratorial for me to relate to. Power is inescapably a part of life--how you use it matters. You seem to understand this, or you wouldn't think that there's a white supremacist agenda behind feminism or veganism. I'm not advocating for anyone to be a tyrant--I believe in peace and equality--but that's not a view that's incompatible with survival of the fittest. That's why two of the most revered religious figures in the world are pacifists. That's why Judaism/Christianity…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 11:16 PM
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They are, and you're complaining about it. If you truly believe that all is fair in love and war, then get off of PPD and go learn another language. Bring yourself up to an understanding of calculus. Do something with your life that will give you more power.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:48 PM
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The nature of attraction, aesthetic beauty, etc. in incredibly nebulous on it's own; while you can't discern the survival correlation for why we think that the sun rising over the mountains is beautiful doesn't mean there isn't one--so speculation on how human attraction formed is speculative at best. It's really not a stretch at all to assume that a patriarchal civilization where men exert the most power could have been a selective pressure on female form; that is to say that men played a role …
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:46 PM
0

Also--something like 25% of Chinese people, iirc, have the genes of Ghengis Khan in them. Despite historical class roles, rulers were incredibly prolific.
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:37 PM
0

I think guys need a healthy men's movement to become more responsible and emotionally healthy individuals that are capable of working through their life issues that are holding them back. Instead of playing video games all night, guys could be spending their time learning valuable skills that will make them more likely to meet women (who have been adapting to the twenty-first century brilliantly). Women simply don't feel safe around men because of their pornographic expectations and internalized…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 10:21 PM
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Mary Daly is obviously crazy, and her ideas deserve to be criticized. She does not, however, represent ecofeminism as a whole, nor does she represent all of humanity's concern for ecological issues. I highly doubt that American colleges are unironically teaching as feminist students that the male gene is a walking abortion and that the male population needs to be maintained at 10%. Your concern doesn't even seem anecdotal in nature. Feminism absolutely deserves to be scrutinized, and men's right…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 10:01 PM
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Slaves and peasants--yep--but do you think that women had the power in those roles? No. Medieval European women who manipulated men and wielded esoteric powers (herbalism, midwivery) were branded as witches and burned at the stake. What do you think happened to the prettiest of girls? Feminists first had to argue for the liberation of the role of the house wife--and you can bet there were a lot of women who fought back and said that it was their place to be house wives. You can see the same thin…
/r/MensRights16/03/22 09:54 PM
0

Everywhere I look around me I see non-conforming girls & women who clearly don't fit into red pill stereotypes of women--and it seems pretty clear that the thing that turns them off of men are their violent and misogynist attitudes towards women, and they simply don't feel comfortable or safe around most men, who are typically less motivated, less capable on their own, less willing to accept a woman that doesn't fit into the same category of women they obsess over in pornography, etc. These are …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 08:30 PM
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Historically, men have subjugated women to the role of being pretty for their sake--so I disagree with you on that point. It's more accurate to say that both the expectation for women to be pretty, AND the drive for men to be successful are relics of man's patriarchal order of competition. Unlike with a lot of other animals, particularly birds--humans, along with many other animals, have exhibited rape as one of their most successful mating strategies. This isn't one-hundred percent true in all …
/r/MensRights16/03/22 06:18 PM
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That thread is absolutely reprehensible.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 05:15 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/t34x6q/feminists_dont_hate_men_actually_but_men_sure_as/hysmevn?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 You're right. I'll say something there.
/r/MensRights28/02/22 04:33 PM
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The consequence for men saying that they don't want sex is often having to deal with disappointment, confusion, etc. It's an exaggeration to say that men will always be abused when they say no. The more empowering message that needs to be said here is that men can say no. Don't be afraid to disappoint women, or cause them confusion or to doubt themselves. There's a lesson here, and it's self-confidence. The lesson isn't that women are abusive and that men are oppressed. Our first priority here s…
/r/MensRights28/02/22 04:33 AM
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I used to be addicted to pornography. The thing that I sought after most of all was female sexuality and a sense of self-attraction. I think that homophobic keeps most Western men from being able to explore their bodies and engage in the same healthy autosexuality that women do. I've always idolized the image of a young woman enjoying her own sexuality in privacy, and wasted half of my life thinking that I wasn't attractive enough, or that I couldn't be erotic because I'm a man, while living out…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:39 AM
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Everyone knows him as Strider and he's actually the King.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 05:25 AM
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I think that safety is a concern for women, which factors into expected pleasure. If they think that a man will feel entitled to them, fall in love, etc. they're likely to adjust their expectations where pleasure is concerned--and men who are unattractive are typically those who are most likely to cling to a woman / craft narratives of being in love, etc. because historically, the male dating strategy is to assault sexually, to own through marriage etc--this is one of the main reasons that attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 02:19 AM
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I think this is completely ridiculous.
/r/MensRights06/02/22 02:52 AM
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I'm just acknowledging how toxic men can be in their pursuit of women. I get that there are toxic women out there, like you're alluding to--I don't really recognize there being an uptick in man-demeaning baddies out there; but I figure there a lot of women who are no longer willing to tolerate men who glom on to their day, asking them personal questions and trying to become their friends out of nowhere. Men are sad, lonely beasts. We get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 06:08 AM
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Women are probably just sick of dealing with men and no longer want to tolerate men soliciting them for unwanted attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 04:55 AM
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Most of what is discussed here is not related to men's rights, but are simply men's issues.
/r/MensRights04/02/22 08:40 AM
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Thing is, women do a lot to mitigate that risk. It's not like 100% of date rapists are successful--because women are hyper vigilant when it comes to avoiding them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:49 AM
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Thanks for sharing, dude. I find it believable--but I want to see the evidence; ideally well laid out without indignation and bias. I've read The End of Men by Hanna Rosin, and it's a tremendous book. I'm not equipped to research this topic--so to be convinced, I need someone else to make a good case for this. I don't trust any of the men in this thread are remotely capable of producing any such quality of research or writing. I don't think that offering women only scholarships is actually injus…
/r/MensRights17/01/22 08:15 PM
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Dude, how about you listen? You asked all these questions just to try to debunk her personal experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:42 PM
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Yes, if it was particularly convincing, and generalized and not localized. What I know to be true is that, especially in higher academia, there truly are quotas for inducting men into college, because women have fought so far ahead that higher academia thought that it was necessary to balance the number of male and female applicants. (2012--so things may certainly have changed; I do not actually research this topic.) Don't discount that women truly are simply more driven and disciplined in acade…
/r/MensRights10/01/22 11:36 PM
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Performing well in school isn't a right. This is a men's health issue.
/r/MensRights10/01/22 11:20 PM
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There are reasons why men are failing to adapt to the modern world, yes--but at the beginning of the day, it is up to men to make a change--not to blame their shortcomings on institutional failures, especially when your problems aren't even related to institutional prejudice--which is going to look a lot different from complaining on Reddit as if this were an anti-feminist conspiracy forum. Women are succeeding in the modern world for a variety of reasons--but the biggest reason, aside from the …
/r/MensRights10/01/22 11:18 PM
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You've got it exactly backwards. Women are succeeding in encouraging women to do well in academia--where as here you are, as a man--not finding ways to encourage boys to succeed--but just to demonize women for being so successful and encouraging. So, yes--the answer is emphatically: do better.
/r/MensRights10/01/22 10:55 PM
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This thread is a good example. It's suggesting that the gender imbalance in college performance is indicative of gender prejudice--it's not. Men simply aren't performing as well as women in college; is that a men's rights issue? No--not at all. This thread is about indignation towards falsely perceived injustice. What actually qualifies as men's rights are issues like circumcision.
/r/MensRights10/01/22 10:36 PM
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This thread is actually ridiculous. There is not a gender bias in academia; it's quite the opposite. The fact is that men simply aren't performing as well as women are. That's not endemic to gender bias--it's something that as men we have to own up to. The cards aren't stacked against us, we're simply not up to the challenge. Not every inequality is the result of prejudice.
/r/MensRights10/01/22 10:34 PM
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To suggest that women's success in academic spaces is indicative of prejudice against men is just patently false. If you can overcome your indignation and bias, at some point you have to acknowledge the fact that men simply haven't been performing well in academic places--this isn't endemic to gender bias; whatever the reasons are, it's just plain clear that men aren't adapting well to the modern world.
/r/MensRights10/01/22 10:32 PM
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Be an example--not a contradiction. I'm trying to say that men today have a choice, to waste their time with video games, drugs and T.V., and they have a choice to watch pornography and to build unhealthy sexual expectations. The world may not be fair--but there are a lot of things men can be improving on, in their lives, and in their male communities--even if those choices don't necessarily land them female sexual partners. I don't agree with the notion that men don't have a choice to improve t…
/r/MensRights10/01/22 08:38 PM
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I actually agree with what you're suggesting sarcastically, sincerely. While I'm glad you see a Men's Rights forum here on Reddit, I think that most voices on here are speaking from indignation and falsely assigning blame to women, while fighting for a social narrative that that does not constitute as a right. The biggest obstacle to improving men's lives is not "women", but rather men ourselves, and the traditions and belief systems that lead us to being relatively in incompetent in a changing …
/r/MensRights10/01/22 07:53 PM
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Excuses are the hardest thing to quit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:51 AM
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If craving unmet needs is causing you distress, then start practicing detachment. It might not be easy, but it's a much needed change if you want to enjoy your life, and it's very much doable. People are very plastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:41 AM
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You don't "need" power. Life is optional--the only question is how far you're going to go with the life that you have. There is so much that you could do with your life, and there's only one way to find out what's going to make you happy. By trial.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:33 AM
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There's so much out there that can be learned that can be applied creatively and that can improve your life--not everything can be reduced to charisma. Your limitations are really only defined by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:30 AM
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Getting wasted doesn't make you happy, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:14 AM
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Do something important for YOURSELF.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 07:13 AM
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Get over the mundaneness and do something important. Don't let the tides of life get the better of you; apply yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:59 AM
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Can't argue with that, if it works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:57 AM
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Knowledge is power. If you don't want power, and you'd rather spend your time complaining about women on PPD, there's nothing that can help you. But if you want to change your life, then make something of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:44 AM
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In the twenty first century, where your duties go beyond writing and cleaning. Hell yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:28 AM
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Yeah--that is what I'm gonna say. If your brain is functioning normally, the only thing holding you back is your attitude. There is so much that you can accomplish if you dedicated yourself to the task. Learning just one new language greatly broadens your horizons--it's not that you can't do it or that it takes too much effort--it's that you have to believe in yourself and do it. If you can use the internet, you have access to the most powerful tool ever invented in history. There's not much of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:19 AM
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I don't think this is resignation. It's a suggestion to do something positive with your life, in contrast to complaining on PPD, and hypothesizing about why you're so unsatisfied with women and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:15 AM
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Don't do it for them; do it for yourself. You can either be weak and powerless, or you can make something of yourself. You can only broaden your horizon from here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:13 AM
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Any multitude of other people can have relationships, and humanity will continue; that's not a reason why you should have a relationship. Getting over the idea of having a relationship is much more doable than you're taking for granted. There's a wealth of satisfaction to be found in the pursuit of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:11 AM
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Is that pursuit really bringing you happiness? Or just frustration? How much work do you put into that for how much return? How much better could you do, not only in terms of dating, but for yourself, if you focused on learning new languages and traveling to other countries, and developing an education that can bring in money?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:00 AM
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If you have free time, you have time to learn. You're still concerned about money? No excuses--take your life to the next level. What's holding you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:56 AM
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Keep going. You can do even better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:53 AM
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Don't make excuses. Make something of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:51 AM
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I don't know about your disability--but if you can use the internet and you can get creative, you can figure something out, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:51 AM
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If you're spending your time playing video games or watching T.V., you have no place saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:50 AM
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More or just as often as feeling the threat of physical violence from a woman on man sexual abuse or assault, human beings feel a sense of social paralysis--a drive not to disappoint. "Appeasement"--men are commonly taught to please women, not to displease. For young people, especially, being coerced into sex by the drive for acceptance is critical--and in many scenarios where a woman rapes a man, it is conducted with the use of blackmail. Unless the woman is quite a lot larger, even a fourteen …
/r/MensRights07/12/20 05:10 AM
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If you want to exude femininity from within, stop looking for external ways to express femininity. You'll have to seek authenticity, foremost, and identify your femininity from what emerges--from within. The biggest challenge you might face is overcoming envy, or covetousness; seeing the ways in which other women exude femininity, and the attention they claim for it, has little to do with what defines your femininity--don't concern yourself with what you're not. Be happy with yourself. Be attrac…
/r/RedPillWomen06/12/20 01:34 AM
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Thank you for the response. Really well thought out. I feel as if the people saying that "women stalk too" would probably never say "but men practice hypergamy too" even though both points are clearly true. Red Pill is deluded in the way they skew and obsess over issues. "Nah, I knew this guy Hank that would never date ugly chicks. He was a clear 5/10 but wouldn't date anyone that wasn't a 10/10."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 06:19 PM
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I tend to think poorly of female hypergamy theory, which I intend for this to be a criticism of. The human organism is incredibly complex, history is incredibly complex, civilization is incredibly complex. There are good counterpoints to the female stalker theory, though. Women only have to stalk high priority men--and only under a system of encouraged monogamy, otherwise, according to the Red Pill view, men will mate with just about anyone regardless of their attractiveness. Women are also the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 09:20 PM
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When twice the number of women end up reproducing as men, you have to think that evolution tries to fit in an advantage anywhere that it can. The only thing quelling the male desire to stalk seems to be rules laid in place by the ruling class, akin to the institution of marriage which was designed to apportion women as property to men, and therefor secure paternity. It should make sense, under the theory of female hypergamy, for women to also exhibit stalking behavior to secure higher value men;…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 09:11 PM
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The study that I know about claims that something like over 50% of men admit that they would rape if they could get away with it--and that's just men who admitted to it. Seems like an incredibly plausible theory, and that repercussions are the only thing keeping men from doing so, like so much of the rest of the animal kingdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 09:03 PM
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That's kind of been the narrative, though, right? Women no longer depend on men for money, therefor they've stopped taking mates and have been going for divorces. They once relied on money, and now women are driving the economy in many parts of the U.S. But, according to my theory, it's only unattractive men they need to stay away from to be safe, because attractive men don't have the drive to stalk when they can rely on their attractive features.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 08:56 PM
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I see where you're coming from. It seems like he's growing co-dependent on you, and like he could use some more confidence on his own. I have a feeling the way he feels has less to do with *you* as it has to do with how he's growing and maturing as a person. By creating the space that you need to feel comfortable in the relationship, staying authentic about where your feelings at, you're not giving him the chance to conflate those two things together. I think you' outta spend a lot more time get…
/r/RedPillWomen29/06/20 05:57 PM
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Your love can carry him over troubled waters. I have hope that our culture is changing, and the wounds that men have will heal eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 03:00 PM
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I didn't understand the phrase at first either--as silly as it may seem, the idea is that after you eat the cake, it's gone. Makes a lot of sense right? 🙄 Thing is, if you just have a slice of it, bam. Ate your cake and you still have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 02:18 PM
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ALL of humanity? Not to mention, we largely develop to the scale of conflict. How much of man's inventions are weapons? The modern man, though--how relevant is that to the desires of a partner? We live in an age that wants to embrace the ideals of true love, and yet cannot find it within themselves to justify or believe that true love is possible. Here we are, talking about how man wants to conquer, and how women want to give themselves to conquerers. Yet in the modern day, it's the women who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 10:07 AM
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I think most men simply aren't good partners. If all that men are good for is sex, why not shoot for the moon? Men are giving women the opportunity when all they are looking for is sex, or have all these confidence problems like addiction to pornography, internet misogyny/rape culture, inability to work in social spaces, etc. Because men are gross and dangerous. Women would have a much better time with men if we weren't raised with machismo/unhealthy male gender roles. Be a man, don't be a homo,…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 01:34 AM
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I think it's more that most women want a partner that is capable on their own. If they're stable, then there's room for them to develop emotionally. For most people, dating isn't about being a crutch for someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:28 PM
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These women are almost always the type who are insecure Link to these studies? It could be that most men are only good for sex.
/r/RedPillWomen26/04/20 03:41 PM
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Definitely noticing a trend where men are coming into your thread and asking how many been you've slept with. I think the AWALT idea is dangerous, and it gets under a lot of guys skin because they don't think they can justify looking at women as individuals. As long as "the facts" back up the stereotype, it's hard for them to see the person underneath--especially when envy and jealousy are in the way. Don't be ashamed of your relationship history, just because your boyfriend is facing insecurity…
/r/RedPillWomen26/04/20 03:18 AM
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Psshhh, please. Guys be buxxing on girls these days, and still they pussy begging simps with no job who don't take care of the kids. Girls be getting three degrees, taking care of the house, and tolerating the hell out of Buster because, "we share some laughs".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 09:34 PM
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I tend to agree that a lot of problems that men suffer from is cultural--but I also think that a lot of behavior that is exhibited by women is cultural too. Behavior that we take for granted as female nature, while extending social graces to men, who, their behavior, for all intensive purposes, we could be making just as many biological excuses for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 08:35 PM
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I don't know if I buy this. How many men are actually raising their kids? The issue these days is that the woman has the high paying job, and her husband (if she has one) is a deadbeat with no ambitions who doesn't help with anything around the house. The fact that a young man is more likely to stay out of jail and graduate college if their father stays in prison rather than staying in the house is telling. The whole "boys need a strong father figure thing" sounds great--but it also sounds like …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 06:26 PM
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Do you think you may have created this thread just to affirm that you think that strangling, choking or slapping women during sex is normal? I think that's how this forum tends to want to interpret this issue--by affirming through anecdotes and by validating each other that this is normal behavior (to whatever ends, whether that be ideological perspectives on female nature or to affirm one's one sexual curiosity).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 08:24 AM
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Oh my God. Are you kidding me with this bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 05:00 AM
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I've been working on a hot take for this forum for awhile. It's about how when men become obsessed with one woman, and that woman turns him down, and he seems crushed about it, that's his instincts are actually just driving him towards Machiavellian manipulation and predatory stalking behavior, and the angst that he feels at being let down are his hormones punishing him for not successfully spreading his seed, and are at odds with his conditioning to not sexually abuse a woman. I figure that it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 07:49 PM
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There's a serious discussion to be had about how threats against abusers prevents them from opening up about and expressing the abuse they've perpetuated. It's in survivors best interests that abusers be able to talk about the abuse they've perpetuated, rather than causing abusers to fear opening up for fear of punishment. I hope to see an open forum in the future where abusers and survivors are able to talk with one another, so that we can understand that normal human beings become abusers, and…
/r/MensRights02/03/20 07:20 PM
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The anger phase is a trap where men give up on having a good attitude, thus greatly diminishing their opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 07:08 PM
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An opinion that isn't biased and disparaging of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:53 PM
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Pah. Jesus Christ, dude. You could literally pass anything off as female nature on this forums and you'll have an audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:47 PM
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That's not the point--you're denying that this happens at all, which displays your utter ignorance on the topic of sex trafficking. Listen to survivors of the sex trafficking industry or move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 01:09 PM
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The female equivalent of male disposability is giving birth. Historically birth has a very high fatality rate, and is the primary reason why women have been denied paths to higher education--they're lives are locked up in fertility. To add to that, male predation habits, such as stalking and rape suggest that women were primarily not in control of when and who got them pregnant. Women have been disposable for thousands of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 01:07 PM
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I hear that!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 12:41 PM
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Not true. Sex trafficking is endemic to every major city in the United States. Listening to the stories of sex trafficking victims such as Sara Hunt, this is verifiably true. People understandably have a lot of misconceptions about what sex trafficking or rape should look like, but in truth, sex trafficking victims ARE paraded around in front of a camera, let alone given tickets to fly to Las Vegas to learn to turn tricks. You're very wrong on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 12:39 PM
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We're certainly underestimating how much of porn is not performed by paid sex workers, but rather victims of the sex trafficking industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:32 AM
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Thank you. I think that this is a critical issue facing the health of our boys and ultimately our nation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:24 AM
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I think that's amazing, and I certainly can believe that feminists have been leaders on this topic. Most doctors performing circumcisions are probably men--that's absurd. I've noticed that there is a divide between feminists--on r/feminism they don't even talk about men's issues. For this subreddit I wanted to focus on shifting how men address men's rights issues, try to bring some awareness here and to increase self compassion. I believe that circumcision is an underlying issue of male angst, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:20 AM
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Even though this is sarcasm, it illustrates pointedly how we've taken to treating men's rights issues as anti-women's rights issues. If we genuinely want women to sympathize with us then we need to stop villifying women and addressing men's rights issues with maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:10 AM
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Nobody is talking about circumcision despite that its legitimately a serious men's health issue, and you want to erase cancel this discussion? We've got to mature somehow, and cancelling this discussion won't make us more mature or help elevate men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:08 AM
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This is the experience of a close friend of mine. His head was bashed pretty hard though. He has moments where he thinks deeply about what happened to him and has all these questions that weigh on his mind and he has trouble answering them. He had a bad marriage, and his family betrayed him. He mostly lives in solitude, but we've managed to meet up and do activities together.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:25 AM
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Taha. As someone whose heart has gone racing when getting in heated e-arguments, I totally relate. That's pretty funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 05:08 AM
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To add on to this, the very idea of rationalization/logic has been a tool largely used by white men to manipulate narratives to conform to our hierarchies of power; this is why historically we see white philosophers waxing about the lack of intellectual capabilities of non-whites and women, at times posing them as soulless automatons lacking any capacity to reason. All of this is done in the light of trying to paint men as objective deities, capable of divining truth through sheer logic, where w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 11:28 PM
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inconsiderate behaviors, and also robs of the greatest benefit of a good relationship: the experience of love, trust, and friendship. Brilliant responses, mate. Kudos, really appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 11:18 PM
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Did you not catch the "Champion" part of his name? He's clearly not like the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:41 PM
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Do you also believe that women's nature is hypergamy? It seems like red pill on these forums live with this notion that the vast majority of women practice dual mating strategy / hypergamy, while simultaneously believing that men are somehow above our supposed nature (supported by science/research)--extolling our virtues as good husbands capable of settling for one woman. I don't want to lump you in with the rest of the crowd, but if you hold these two contradictory beliefs I definitely want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:40 PM
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When you get to know people and what they've been through your perspective on the issue changes. The reality of the matter becomes much more clear. Most people don't open up about their sexual trauma without being able to trust and express vulnerability with who they're talking to. I'm praying for you, you'll need help.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:46 AM
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Funny how offended men are at your comment considering the conjecture that usually gets tossed around here. Am I noticing an uptick of men feeling indignant when women say something offense? Nobody around here bats an eyelash when someone says that slut shaming was the only thing keeping Western Civilization from collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:29 AM
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I came across a book titled Strangers Assume my Girlfriend is my Nurse by Shane Burcaw today. How confident are you that you're right, and how is one example of how you're wrong not proof enough? I'm pretty well convinced that having a great attitude and letting women be women instead of telling them who they are and what their nature is, is an effective means to finding a mate. I really think red pill has got it all backwards, and leading men into a bad personality trap, rather that helping us …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 12:14 AM
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People's real lived experiences of being sexual abused are not Feminazi propaganda. I'm not trying to make the case that men are rapists; what I'm trying to make the case for is that all of this red pill philosophy extolling the hypergamous nature of women and using the alpha/beta paradigm is unhealthy and misleading. There will be a future where men the world over will be deradicalized from misogynist angst.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 10:11 PM
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Statistics can not account for the massive number of unreported sexual violence crimes committed, especially against children. If you spend time with people who have experienced sexual violence then you get to know their reasons for not reporting what happened to authorities or talking with anyone about what happened--and your lack of emotional intelligence is the one big reasons why you won't hear from anyone about their history of being sexually abused. Do you see how eager you are to dismiss …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 04:40 PM
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You sent women's suffering, yet you want me to believe that men are suffering? Here's a scenario for you: boy treats girl like a jerk, she breaks up with him and feels fine about it--he can't understand how she can get over him so fast. You are lacking emotional intelligence. There's no way to immediately break down those walls that have been keeping you from being able to feel and practice self compassion; men have been taught to think logically about everything (that's why you think that women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 03:57 PM
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You're wrong. Sexual violence is very common, and has been all throughout human history. It's prevelancy is lessening, but it's pandemic to the whole world. I focus on sexual violence because I engage with people who were sexually violated, and I know that it happens, in all of its many forms, the world over, far more often that you'd like to admit. I'm a part of a men's sexual health group where we've shared our sexual and personal life histories with one another. I know what men endure. This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 03:46 PM
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I am a man. There was a time when I tried to fondle my step sister on vacation. Later in my life I ended up beating my cat. I by no means lived a terrible life, but it came to this by either nature or nurture. Is that any fault of my own? I'm responding to the notion that women are hypergamous by nature; it seems like you yourself have been indoctrinated by this mentality of alpha versus beta. If it's hateful and wrong to suggest that men are violent rapists, then how can we not fathom the possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 03:37 PM
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It's real. It's happening. I do, I know people. I know their stories. The stories are out there if you really want to know. People are sharing their stories online, writing about them in books. I read about it, and it's not a myth. The truth of sexual violence is that it's far more pervasive and egregious than we know or are willing to admit. I get that you're suffering, that men are struggling, but women's struggle with sexual violence at the hands of men is very, very real. You're never going …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:15 AM
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Then what makes a rapist? There are a lot of rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 06:43 AM
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So what are we doing that's keeping our boys from turning out to be violent rapists, or are we all truly violent rapists at heart? Is it just a rare gene? I think you're wrong. Painfully confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 06:04 AM
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There's another side to this conversation that you're not seeing--there's such a thing as female disposability, and women often have just as strong feelings about men. Up until a couple centuries ago, giving birth had an extremely high mortality rate. As many women have died giving birth as men have died fighting in wars (that they were more often than not very eager to fight). For women, especially lower class women, the process of reproduction and giving birth was less in their control as it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:59 AM
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Men are violent rapists. To what degree can that be controlled? Female mating strategy / polygamy has as much to do with how our children are raised. I think that your 'conceding to nature' too easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:46 AM
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It's based on what power, privilege, and influence looks like to men and what men would want I disagree. Power, privilege and influence are things that men had. That doesn't mean that women should embrace powerlessness. If this were a private conversation, the only people here that would be measuring feminism by masculinity is you. Success is not the male-centric view applied to women. That's utterly unfair to say and has no merit--essentially you're saying, again, that women shouldn't desire po…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 05:46 AM
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Thank you. This is a perspective on the topic which we can see the reluctance of the community to approaching. There is misogyny built into the red pilled perspective, and almost no one here is encouraging a more considerate approach to these studies and analysis. There is no curiosity, no desire to seek better methodology to explore the cause of studies which report that "women fantasize about being raped"--for the readers here, this is simply 'proof' that women aren't the angels they've been m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 02:27 AM
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ghly half the women you've been involved with have probably had rape fantasies and if they never told you, it's only because they were too embarrassed to, just like all the That's not an inconsequential group. We should take this idea seriously, because childhood sexual abuse is highly under reported and is egregiously widespread across the globe. People don't understand the scope in which sexual violence happens, particularly to young girls--there are stories of women whose lives are literally …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 02:20 AM
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Why are men so critical of women? Is it because men are afraid to express themselves in a uniquely sexual way? Like, men literally avoid doing anything that would warrant the kind of criticism that they express towards women every single day on the internet. It's as if they do anything they can to avoid doing anything that would define themselves. That, in itself, is deserving of criticism--the fact that men are so afraid to express themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 03:10 AM
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It's futile to compare the modern day to the world more than a millennium ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 07:49 AM
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Except for that part. Yes, biology has everything to do with it, but I'm arguing for behavioral flexibility and the role of gender roles/circumstance in our sexual dynamics. Many people take it for granted that hypergamy exists because of the female brain--which, to a degree, I totally agree with--but to what extent should be a matter of debate, not a given. There are too many unexplored perspectives which are not being represented here on PPD, particularly coming from TRP crowd, and it's a matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 06:00 AM
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I imagine there's a lot of guys out there who care about relationships, and they feel like they need to work on themselves before they're able to have a positive relationship. That definitely is representative of my story--it could take a man until his 30's to really find himself and his confidence, and find out that his confidence is mutually exclusive from his ability or desire to find a sexual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 04:45 AM
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If women had historically been in positions of power, I believe that the role of hypergamy would be reversed. We can see in the modern age that a fantasy does exist where a powerful woman attracts a host of male servants. We have good reason to believe that behavior is malleable, and hardly set into eons old stone of genetic mutation--lab mice pass down learned fear through a single generation. Change the culture, change the dynamic. It's only been two-hundred years since female liberation has b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 06:29 PM
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I think men are more responsible than women for this image. It goes with the whole chivalry thing, and men propping up 'model women'. For ages we, as men, have defined what a 'good woman' is--so, that proper lady that doesn't open doors for herself and never does wrong by her man is the 'model woman'. How much of a role did women really make in creating a reputation of being perfect? It's no surprise that men put women on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 06:02 PM
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You have better things to think about than this. View challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 06:44 PM
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Sex and War, Hayden & Potts
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:33 AM
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Female chimpanzees have a habit of appeasing male members of their tribe by letting them each have sex with her. A female chimpanzee will mate some ungodly number of times a day--if I recall, it can be upwards of a hundred times. But, they have some way of preventing the male chimpanzees sperm from fertilizing her eggs, and after all is said and done, the female chimpanzee will often times retreat to a secluded location with her preferred mate to copulate, and make her eggs accessible to him. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 12:44 AM
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So true, and on the other side of the debate, women have vastly different experiences about what they're looking for in a guy, but when they come here to talk about it they get accused of "about me". As someone who sees this paradigm and wants to change it so that women receive fair representation, I think that it's important to call you out for speaking on "about me"--I can guarantee there isn't one RP man on here who is going to accuse you of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:17 PM
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"Stats can't be accurate", coming from a man on PPD. Tell me how this post is not a "about me"-ism, as women are so disposed to be accused of? Then, if we can accept that the "stats can't be accurate" on this one topic, maybe we can be more open-minded about what women posting here on PPD feel and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 03:08 AM
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I feel like you came up with "de facto retards" for lack of something better to say. It's difficult to follow up on "pussy-begging simps". That's pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 03:28 PM
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Read "The End of Men". It'll change your perspective on the issue. If it's at your library, you only need to take a look at, like, chapter two, and you'll see how women are taking over in the work place and replacing men as the providers in a lot of civil circles. What you'll find is that men are incredibly insecure about their role as provider being replaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 03:26 PM
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I listened to a story of a survivor of sex trafficking whose life was hijacked by a coalition of powerful men and inducted into a life of prostitution through fear and isolation. One of the things told to this woman is, "once a whore always a whore" to instill in her a sense of helplessness and to replace her identity through negative reinforcement. The same thing happened to Michelle Stevens, whose life was hijacked by a serial pedophile. Replacing her name with a title, "the Mooch" was one of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 01:08 AM
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Even if your sex drive has anything to do with past abuse issues, there's no reason to say that you're damaged for it or that you should turn that part of you off. If you enjoy and desire sex, then that's enough to take away, and if at the end of a long road you come to terms with the idea that your sex drive was the result of past abuse, then more power to you--that was a learning experience--but no one can decide that but you. What I feel that your partner needs to hear is that you're only goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 09:21 PM
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From my understanding, women are into beta guys; quiet reservation often speaks of confidence. The less talkative shorter, beautiful man often appeals more than the manly, big jawed guy who stands out cracking jokes and making plans. Doesn't that fit within the alpha/beta paradigm?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 09:14 PM
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Probably for the same reason that nobody on here is talking about circumcision or how we can progress men's rights. TRP posters here are filled with angst indignation, not honest concern. The best reason there is for decriminalization is the security that it provides for victims of sex trafficking. Yes, we should decriminalize prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 09:08 PM
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I thought you might mention that women would find it easier to find partners that are worth their time, because they'll be the guys who aren't paying for sex, but this whole post seems built on the idea that women are only valuable for sex. (That there will be enough women willing to prostitute themselves to satisfy every man in the market, and that women are crazy / horrible partners, and so on.) We definitely need to decriminalize prostitution, because the illegality of it only hinders victims…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 08:59 PM
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No. Wrong way of looking at it, buddy. Risks don't go up. Challenge might go up, but not risks. Own it. Don't run from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 08:51 PM
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Hahahahaha! Vunderful post!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 08:49 PM
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Did you just make a Trump analogy in this thread? Why would you go and do a thing like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 08:44 PM
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In any other conversation, men would be explaining how a woman has no conscious awareness or control over what she's attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 08:40 PM
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This study wasn't measure of how attractive women find a man's personality. Even if what you're saying is true, your post didn't really follow from this logically. You mention how men are trying to win a beautiful princess with their personality alone--aren't we essentially telling women the opposite, which is that they have to be beautiful to win a man, no matter how rockstar their personality? We just take it for granted that men are more attracted to women with large breasts, hips and butts, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 05:51 PM
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Hahaha!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 11:55 AM
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Nobody owes anyone an orgasm. I love that attitude; we can all embrace that attitude. Today I was thinking, I think there are a lot of girls who are interested in pleasing men, with incredible leeway regarding their looks. Like, satisfying poor sexless nerds is their life's passion. I don't think that people give enough credit to humanity's ability to adapt to satisfy everyone's needs. I think there's a lot of truth to sentiments that, for example, men are socially repressed, that men zone each …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 04:48 AM
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Look at all the excuses in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 06:27 PM
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TRP response to the fact that the vast majority of murders and rapes are perpetuated by men is, "not all men are rapists and murderers, you can't stereotype men", but their view of women us very a stereotype. "But rapists and murderers are exactly who women want to date."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/19 08:34 PM
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There are so many skeptical responses here, as if this is really so hard to believe. Sums up the Red Pill experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/19 11:14 PM
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Awesome thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 01:50 AM
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There's a lot about science that we don't understand, but to say that mate selection is strictly bound by genetic determinism, and further to say that genetic determinism only advances in the span of tens of thousands of years, is to ignore evidence before our very eyes. To try to draw a comparison between our need to defecate, and our desire for mates, is an incredibly unrealistic comparison to make. Human beings, for example, are generally afraid of fire, and for good reason, and we do our bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 11:32 PM
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You yourself wish that this were different; I think that the very desire to see things in another way is a testament to our ability to change. If you had asked me if I agreed 1% with the statement that humans are attracted to dogs, I would have agreed with you, but I do not agree with the sentiment that men are only attracted to feminine women and vice versa. The men that women find most attractive from my experience exhibit a host of feminine features; it's always the pretty boys. Women's taste…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 11:25 PM
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Oh I see who you're responding to. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 05:23 PM
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You need to review this comment, because it's borderline absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 05:15 PM
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I disagree. This is a convenient answer, especially among the politically scientific, and yet studies have shown how mice are able to learn fears and pass those fears down through a single generation. Life, and evolution, are a mystery, and behaviors are more prone to changing within a short time span--not tens of thousands of years. We don't need to wait generations for our myths to be dispelled; we can hold an open mind right now. We should appropriately look at environment and men's culture t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 04:51 PM
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It's definitely better to talk your feelings out--the question is if you feel like you can bring this up and if he'll be able to understand you. If you feel like you can talk about this, then do it. But if you can't, then you should be looking for the deeper roots to the communication schism going on between you two.
/r/RedPillWomen04/11/19 10:42 PM
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If you think the 1975 Icelandic women's strike was ridiculous, then what you're saying is totally ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 07:46 PM
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Why is the economy constantly the center of attention surrounding conversations about hypergamy? Shouldn't we be talking about how our society can become more human-centric, rather than considering how we should live our lives to benefit the economy? This is ridiculous--and it's unreasonable to suggest that we won't be able to compete economically if we focus on humanity first--if anything, by focusing on our humanity, the economy will benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 07:39 PM
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This thread highlights a problem in men's thinking here at PPD. The OP makes a point saying that men are not made for monogamy, and every man here ignores this point while going on to make their broad generalizations about women and pretending like every man is the perfect candidate for a monogamous lifelong relationship, while every woman is ready to backstab you and leave you whenever convenient. I'm seeing a pattern where the men here don't have to prove themselves worthy because they've cast…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 03:39 PM
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You're pretending like there isn't a wolf in sheep's clothing here. The premise is that women's rights and sexual liberation is resulting in the decline of Western Civilization, and people are pretending that women would be happier if they were being slut shamed and economically punished for not committing to a husband while they are young. What you're saying is true--women are killing it in America--but saying that a woman would be free in a society where they're pressured into tradcon relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 04:01 PM
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This sub is getting awesome. Preach!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 03:34 PM
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The same can be said about all progress, so what is the point of not picking one form of progress? The very idea of progress is known for being criticized on this very notion of the "perfect and only Heaven". If you're willing to take a fair look at progress, then you can accept that progress can be made on moral grounds from many variable perspectives--for one, by accepting that you value life and that we have many values in common, such as privacy, safety and love of family. By extending your …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 02:46 PM
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What makes you so insecure about a stranger admitting that she's had lots of sexual partners? It's worked for her, but somehow it's not working for you? That's a losing battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 09:43 PM
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I'll tack my comment onto this one here. 1) There is no denying that men are thirstier than women. 2) Men have made the majority of civil progress. 3) Men will drop out of the work place because they can't find sex, and the result will be the economy slowing down. I have some problems with this like of reasoning. First of all, you're placing the development of ideas lumped under the term of civilization over moral progress (thus, moral progress is excluded from the development of civilization, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 05:21 PM
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Silly conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 12:31 AM
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What you're saying is as true as the status quo here; the difference is that you're thinking about the question instead of assuming that it is a given, as the community here is not only keen to do, but enthusiastic to suppose. If we listen to what women truly think is the most attractive, it's usually the prettiest boys. People here have taken a look at the demographics that have the most sex and sexual partners and have flown with that as a measurement for success, classifying that as the epito…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 12:05 AM
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It's not only women in polygamous relationships. My anecdotal experiencea vary wildly from the stereotype. I've found polygamous relationships to be the most accepting and caring of relationships--and yes--those relationships should certainly be protected and accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 11:42 PM
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I doubt this post will age well. This seems more like a nightmare spawned by a well cultured angst than the truth, playing into your insecurities. I think most people would think this is crazy, but who knows. Maybe you're right, and it will manifest as our subconscious desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 08:17 PM
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Taxing unmarried men plays into one of man's most dire griefs here in the States: nobody cares about them, they're just cogs for the economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 08:10 PM
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Awesome motivational quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 03:38 AM
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Yeah, when I turn the news on in the morning we're having a very genuine conversation about the effects that sexual violence has on women. Thank God for the #metoo movement, but it's really only just a start to addressing the issue, for which our silence has enabled abusers to continue hurting women for God knows how long. Thankfully I live somewhere progressive where people are actually willing to talk about sexual violence, if not in a public space. Instead people are drowning out the seriousn…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 03:14 AM
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You're right, and I must admit that it's really just the nature of this sub and the members here that give me the impression of disingenuous concern. The sentiment that I get from this sub is less from real concern, and more from a deep sense of indignation--that, by pointing out the hypocrisy of women that we can find validation as men. If I came here to read people's posts about the seriousness of women's plight to escape sexual violence then I would take a thread like this more seriously--but…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 03:06 AM
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I agree with this. Sexual violence is one of the most pervasive and taboo topics in every culture across the world, and this obsession with false rape accusations is absurd in the face of the age old problem that we've failed to address in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 11:51 PM
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Women are historically oppressed too; do you accept the possibility that your notions of what define female behavior are as subject to whimsy as notions espoused about the black people, such as that they haven't a soul, are unambitious, and don't progress beyond the mind of a child? Women, too, have been subject to these sorts of notions as well--that they have no place in academia, politics or the workplace, and these notions have been since overthrown. It seems incredibly convenient to say tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 06:04 PM
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I've seen a lot of arguments by men here saying something to the effect of, "Obscure point about male/female sexually, hence justified by an unrelated talking point." as in, "Male sexuality is repressed in ways that make women more comfortable, and I think ultimately WOMEN set the rules on how repressed male sexuality is. A handsome man cat calling you wouldn’t be seen as bad as an ugly man doing it." This form of argument is comes across as incredibly lazy and non-sensical; your points don't go…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 05:46 PM
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It's absurd seeing all the men here who are saying that you are generalizing men, when their belief structure is built around generalizing women; somehow, they don't think it's the same. I feel like some guys are being taken to school here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 01:52 PM
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What if I told you that your whole construction of gender is a lie? Don't you think it's quite convenient to believe that there are no behavioral differences between the races? At least it spares you from being labeled as a racism--a far more condemning accusation that being labeled a misogynist, apparently, or at least easier to diagnose. Can it really be said that women's predisposition towards narcissistic, sociopathic qualities is fundamentally different from the Native Americans predisposit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:50 AM
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Yeh, let's follow those studies off a cliff.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:37 AM
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I see this opinion being echoed constantly as a rebuttal from people like yourself claiming that it's not mysogyny if it's true. I'm not counting, but I don't think you're the first to make this claim while wearing a title like, "women are SHIT". If we have learned anything from fascism, extremists and fundamentalists, it's that they like to dress up in a lambs clothing, passing off their violent ideologies around as peaceful, when we know that's not true. A lot of hateful people have thought th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:37 AM
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You know what? It's not silly. These comments are everywhere. There are several people posting with titles in this thread such as, "women are shit". You can't just dismiss this issue and claim that, "there will always those people"--and then you follow up by saying that there will always be a part of the internet that doesn't care what women think, before telling the OP that you don't care what she thinks. This is a problem, and good on the OP for talking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:31 AM
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This is truly an honest and more deeply felt way to look at the issue, which is also much more humanizing. I think they mysogyny is a problem, but trying to shove it into mens faces to get them to see the errors of their way is generally anti-productive. While it's true that the core issue here is emotional trauma, I think most men/(people) are incapable of expressing their concerns through emotional vulnerability and honestly--to no fault of their own. People here have too many enemies, are jud…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:27 AM
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While I think this is true, the same can be said about women and the human experience in general, for which the communities in question foster an unhealthy obsession with generalizing women into a little Venn diagram and calling it "The Womansphere." Everything is a made up term, by the way, and I don't see how the term mysogyny is intended to "belittle everything men have achieved."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 10:15 AM
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Yeah, I agree. Hopefully we're moving towards a more authentic culture; I don't care for this whole idea of, "the mating game"--trying to make yourself as attractive as possible to attract the most attractive mate. I think a lot of people are jaded with this idea, and are just looking for someone who they can be comfortable around. Someone who likes them for who they are, without having to adhere to some ridiculous ideals--especially preconceived ideals about what beauty means. Fashion trends, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 09:37 AM
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I think the same applies for men too, that we react to women differently depending on how attractive we think they are--the big difference is that women don't have a history of sexual violence anywhere near the extreme that men do, so when we're focusing on the double standards that women have, their reactions are exaggerated by the fact that they are dealing with the more dangerous sex. An unattractive girl is hardly threat compared to a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 02:56 AM
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No way! That's really awesome. :D I'm sure your boyfriend thinks you're super awesome!
/r/RedPillWomen24/10/19 06:30 PM
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I think that he probably feels that he definitely agrees with you being a stay at home mom at least some times, but maybe he feels that he doesn't want to live with the expectation that you will always be a stay at home mom. Couples these days are becoming more flexible about who is bringing home the bread and when; I've been reading a little bit of "The End of Men", which talks about how a man might be bringing home the bread in the United States, but for a portion of their time together, the w…
/r/RedPillWomen24/10/19 06:23 PM
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If a woman were to post along the same lines of reasoning, ("I'm a woman and this doesn't apply to me") they would be promptly accused with the typical male-establishment faire of, "You always do this/every woman who posts here does this, you're not responding to the topic, you have to make this about you/you're not being rational" bull crap. Posts like this guy's are on repeat like a broken record, and I haven't seen these same accusations being directed their way. This sub sucks. I hope the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 05:36 PM
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Having faith is difficult. I believe in true love, and I know that nothing can ever take that away.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 09:32 PM
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I think that most girls would prefer to have relationships like the true love narratives in Disney movies, they just don't think that it's possible, and nothing about their reality reinforces those ideals. Given time, we may come to believe that it is more apt to suggest that such a relationship is the "nature" of both men and women. The same might be said of violence in animals, and yet we now have a lot of proof that animals are capable of developing what we call "unlikely friendships" and exh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 04:16 AM
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Did you ever wonder if you were the clown all along for giving a shit what people think about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 02:54 PM
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Well that's just fine. There's an unspoken assumption that all the guys here are just trying to hook up as much as possible. I'm sure there are a lot of guys who are actually looking for someone who cares about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 09:47 PM
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You look great. You look like you're happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 09:33 PM
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You took a photo of yourself in your own room. If your room is an extension of what's inside, then you've got to find yourself and own it. That's the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 09:30 PM
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You look great. My advice is to look of into the distance while you snap a selfie.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 09:25 PM
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God bless, peace be upon you!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 08:19 PM
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I'm actually going for straight up werewolf. I've already got it made with my imaginary girlfriend--so I'm good, thanks. I'm sure that you're a very lovely person and that your parents are wonderful people! Edit: I shouldn't say straight up werewolf, because I actually identify as werewolf / warlock, which aren't mutually exclusive. Any true vampire would immediately be able to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 07:38 PM
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No one told you you had to participate in Purge Week did they? Said with crazy eyes, in a slightly mocking tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 07:06 PM
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This is genuinely the nicest photo of me. I had been up for more than a day at this point. Everyone must be looking through the red pill lens because of the nature of this sub; no need to overthink things. This isn't a beauty contest as far as I'm concerned. Let's go! https://i.imgur.com/ju513X7.jpg That picture is too nice... I've got to ratchet it up a level. https://i.imgur.com/EAA1Oza.jpg I'm keeping the nipples and the cat in my back pocket as a last resort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 06:56 PM
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At least they can delude themselves into thinking they've won.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 06:09 PM
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The extremists are too narrow-minded. I dream of a world where the better nature of humanity prevails and we can put behind us these clumsy myths of the male and female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 02:26 AM
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The problem with all these pills is that they seek to claim universal truth about the nature of men and women in a dynamic and flexible world, effectively following a number of studies off of a proverbial cliff while failing to account for an evolving world people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:02 PM
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I created a short elf character for my Pathfinder campaign recently, inspired by Hiei from Yu Yu Hakasho. Short guys can totally be attractive if you ask me. The fact that Hiei is short is what makes him so tremendously badass. I've never seen him in a relationship, though, so who knows--he's very much a lone wolf.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 08:37 PM
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How much room is there for confounding factors in these studies? For example, most men dress like slobs, men typically put less work into their appearance, perhaps the stresses of labor work disproportionately affect men to a degree where they are typically less attractive--there are a whole host of factors, including how male/female upbringing affects their perspective, which can have an effect on these studies. There are norms and exceptions, of course, but what confounding factors have the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 08:35 PM
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That's a wonderful compliment, thanks! You seem very resourceful.
/r/RedPillWomen11/10/19 08:05 PM
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Men can have a strong desire for independence. You could be the most loving, faithful, awesome girlfriend in the world, but he might not be happy unless he feels like he's in control. I don't think that you can reasonably expect not to get hurt even if you decide to give him a lot of space; he could still bounce back and forth between having feelings for you and desiring other women. perhaps a part of him feels inadequate considering that he was cheating on his previous partner while beginning a…
/r/RedPillWomen11/10/19 02:29 AM
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Shame is not a positive motivator for change, and you are not an authority on how other people should live their lives. Acceptance and compassion are positive motivators for change; rather than changing oneself out of fear or contempt, people are willing to change for themselves, which creates lasting change rooted in love rather than hatred, and creates happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 10:15 PM
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Niiiice, thanks! Now put the two subs together.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:46 AM
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I wish there were a sub where everyone talked like [deleted]--now that would be a fine contrast!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 06:38 AM
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This forum is dominated by men claiming to know women's preferences by backing them up with statistics. I don't have a problem with women coming on here and telling us how they feel about issues like this. I would say that it's pure arrogance to suggest that you know what's wrong with this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 02:31 AM
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Baller ass post. This sub is so incredibly one sided, parroting the same manosphere-centric opinions over and over. I want to see things get flipped on the head here, just to hear another side to the story. Heck yes to this post!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 02:26 AM
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Dude, this thread is super aggro. Shaming people is not an effective tool for societal improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 07:46 PM
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It's clear by your disposition that you look down on the person that you're talking to--presumably a complete stranger--by the way that you have assumed authority over this conversation and a sense of ownership over her. By singling them out, defining them, then telling them what is acceptable. First of all, even if the person agrees they are a "slut", to say that someone is a slut by definition is like saying that a black person is the "n-word" by definition--it's a derogatory term, and, as we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:15 PM
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Dude, that's a fucked up way to talk to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:17 AM
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What if men ARE looking for more engaging, romantic and long term relationships at younger ages, though? I know I for one was never behind the whole, "gotta get rid of my V card, what an embarrassment" camp that was portrayed in movies of my time as a young adult, such as Superbad--despite my father constantly telling me that I outta get laid and start dating chicks, I was always harboring secret thoughts of finding "the one" like in a Disney movie, despite that I was a habitual recluse who, sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 01:11 AM
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You people are way too concerned about this. There are a plethora of other perspectives that we can be taking about, but this one sentiment is echoed constantly. It's like a sounding board for men seeking validation about the fact that we're not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 10:22 PM
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It's a really neat book. I haven't read all of it, but it talks about how successful women are in the modern day, and how many of men's incompetencies derive from our unwillingness to divert from traditional gender norms. I don't think that hitting the "cancel" button on the sexual revolution is a solution to our problems--as men, it is incumbent on us to take pride in our gender by showing how capable we are at adapting, rather than expressing indignation for the way things have become.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 09:49 PM
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Why view this as a failure? Why not a learning experience? Have you read "The End of Men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 08:52 PM
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You wanna know about me? I'm an attractive guy despite my voluminous flaws, including my not incredibly attractive crotch which kind of looks like a vagina, and my heavy balding and very dry hair to name a couple--and that's not the most off-putting thing about me. I'm also incredibly hairy, which I own. Despite my obvious flaws, I've seen a potential suitor in many women, one of whom I had a platonic yet intimate relationship with who told me that whoever she finds to be with, that she hopes he…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 01:49 AM
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I'm glad that women have more authority and control over their lives. It's truly a blessing; look at how many of them are unsatisfied with men. Men are too stubborn to break tradition; traditional gender roles, their idea of what it means to be a man, what they think a woman looks, or how attractive they think they are. What this shows to me is not "how true RP" is, so much as it shows that if men want to attract women, they they need to change. You could look at it from the perspective that, "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/19 10:48 PM
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I agree. If men want to be valued in today's society, they have to adapt to the workplace and in the family, and try something new. There's that adage, insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting it to work--instead of complaining how much better women have it, "woman up" and try something new.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 09:55 PM
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You could hate her for who she is not, or you could love her for who she is. The best thing you can do for your sex life is to improve your relationship with your wife. The best way to improve your relationship with your wife is to improve yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:10 PM
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The question is inherently biased; men owned both wives and slaves. To say that men were treated worse can only be true because men don't fall under the category of wives, who have more rights than slaves and are seen as more valuable property than slaves according to their owner. If you were speaking of a nobleman's charge over his knights, then you would be wrong--the warriors of most any society were treated well in comparison to other castes and reaped the rewards of combat, by way of raping…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 11:12 PM
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Not so. All throughout history there are times, and also today, where women are quite literally bought, sold, and traded, and not necessarily a part of an arranged marriage where the man also has no choice, and not either as the traditional slave caste, but as wives with degrees of rights. Yes, there are disparities in equality across the board and men too are bought and sold, more often for labor than sex, and each gender has a history of slavery--but the points that I'm focusing on are that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 03:17 PM
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Considering that it were true that women have always been treated better than their men in a culture, it is important to understand that whatever institutions have existed whereby men and women were treated were, in all likelihood, a predominantly male orchestrated society; that, the fault in inequality between men and women is institutionally a matter of law written by men. In the sense that men have been oppressed, the reason is due to the nature of a male-dominated society--and as such, there…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 02:21 AM
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Aside from your statement being blatantly false, there are such considerations as usufruct property.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 01:23 AM
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It's not about pretending that women are oppressed, it's about understanding that women have been predominantly considered property for thousands of years. Here on the purple pill debate we hear at lengths about cultural degeneracy at the hands of women's liberation--to overstate that women have only been free for the past forty to two hundred years is to combat this notion that this small interval in history defines free women as degenerates. The truth that isn't being told is that men have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 08:38 PM
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Sure, I think everything you're saying here is legitimate. I appreciate your point of view, thanks for the response.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 07:05 PM
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Thank you, I really appreciate your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 07:03 PM
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There are industries (porn, erotic movies, escorting, stripping, film industry) where women not only willingly enter but succeed by depicting themselves as and identifying as whores, so it isn't as negative as you are making it. It is, actually, because while there is a porn industry, there is a much more lucrative business of sex trafficking; victims of sex trafficking are generally either young girls or transgender youth. A significant percentage of the pornography online is not made by paid a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:32 PM
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Does it matter if women are called losers if they're institutionally oppressed? It's a miracle that women are safer and more powerful than ever before in the modern day, but women typically haven't been a part of the same power struggle that men have, where men are calling each other losers for not succeeding in the same spheres of life. By comparison, female culture is much more tame and accepting of failure as a paradigm of personal growth. For one, we don't think to call women losers because …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:52 PM
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There are clear distinctions between the names that we call men and women. Men, for example, have typically been the gender that have slept around, and yet we have zero names to call men that parallel names like slut. if we are to take a look at how men and women are interpreted when called a bitch, for example, what we see, is that when a man is called a bitch that means that he is weak and unwilling to stand up for himself, whereas when a woman is called a bitch, it means that she has stood up…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 05:45 PM
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Lovely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 04:39 PM
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I think this in large part has to do with how fathers are raising their sons. For one, there's no doubt going to be a final stand against women's rights--we're seeing that now, and there's no doubt that there are incredibly toxic men in power (just look at Trump, Epstein, etc, the case that Ivana dropped) who are fighting for just that--an elite class of hitmen, essentially, intimidating opposition. But this is all men have ever known, and that's what they're teaching their kids: you've got to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 03:56 PM
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I agree--and isn't it interesting that despite historys habit of regulating people's sexual desires that people in the modern day exhibit a wide array of sexual proclivities? So much so, that people are now attracted to things that never before existed? Despite our attempts to stamp out human sexuality, it manages to persist in all of its unique forms? Certainly our predilections exist for a reason--nature has a habit of cycling out useless traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 03:36 PM
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House wives were notoriously unhappy and manic. What your espousing is misogynist myth. Betty Friedman, The Feminine Mystique.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 03:25 PM
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It's the old, "if there were a ray gun that made people oblivious to suffering" question at the fulcrum of the utilitarian debate. What's important is not that we don't suffer, but that we find meaning in our suffering--which is why we respect, so much, people like Jesus and Thích Quảng Đức, or Viktor Frankl. I think that what you're saying is incredibly relevant, because while men have been oppressed by men, women have been oppressed by men, and we're pretending (literally pretending) that West…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 03:21 PM
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Treasure in a tide of white noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 08:39 AM
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From what I've seen, most people espousing tradcon values don't care about women, or equality--they're obsessed with this idea that the West is in decline and that reproduction is too important to be left to individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:27 PM
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What if women typically had higher paying jobs, and the gender expectations of men were changed and it were common for men to express vulnerability; can we imagine a world where it's common for a woman to live with and take care of a man who has mental health problems? And furthermore, shouldn't we be questioning what it is that these women are having mental health crisis about, rather than only focusing on the idea that they typically find more support and stability than men? I think that a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 02:36 AM
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Hey, you're really frustrated, and I'm sorry about that, so I'm hoping the best for you. The fact that you've saved your body for the right person until now is awesome, but I don't think you should be doing that for someone else--if your virginity doesn't mean anything to you, then don't bother holding on to it--but it sounds like something that's important to you, so I hope that you can appreciate that part of yourself because it's what you wanted, not because it's a red pill dating strategy or…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 11:00 PM
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There are genuinely awesome guys out there--maybe there's more of them in some cities than others (I think Portland has a lot of great guys). A lot of them are looking for good, honest relationships, and, while they've had relationships with pornography, find that it's not what they're looking for and have either distanced themselves from their relationship with pornography, or their relationship with it comes and goes. Some of the most grounded, nicest guys that I've met are shameless about hav…
/r/RedPillWomen13/09/19 07:20 PM
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This has been my perspective, I just look around at all of these women that I see and thank, I don't see the red pill in any of them. More to the point, what I see, is an authentic human being. People are so much more complex then the red pill gives him credit for, and to truly wake up from the delusion, one must take the red pill of the red pill. It's not what you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/19 03:16 PM
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Also baked into the concept of the Christian faith and the Western ideology is the idea that the world is basically good and that the greatest good lies in the future. If we are to accept that Christianity is essentially the bedrock of Western Civilization, then we also must accept that Jesus' authority is held the highest. Jesus never declared that every person should be apart of a monogamous relationship, but said that marriage is only "for those whom it is given" and that to divorce one's par…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 08:31 PM
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Carrol Quigley, author of The Evolution of Civilizations posits that a civilization is defined by its Instrument for Expansion, concerning that civilization was enabled by communities with a surplus of time and wealth. By instrument of expansion, Quigley suggest that three things be true: 1) the society must be organized in such a way that it has an incentive to invent new ways of doing things; 2) it must be organized in such a way that somewhere in the society there is accumulation of surplus--…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 09:31 PM
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I think that for a lot of people, sexual liberation, sexual freedom and sexual positivity are very integral concepts to their mental well-being, especially for people that you might not expect. At its core, I think that such concepts represent freedom from dogma for a lot of people--when your desires go one way, but society has told you that you should desire something else, a concept such as sexual positivity can be very empowering. I think that for a lot of trans, homosexual, polygamist people…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 10:20 PM
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As if men haven't been espousing hateful ideology and oppressing women for time immemorial. Just because someone else does it doesn't make it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 12:56 AM
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So what if it did? Doesn't make the shit you're spewing smell any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 12:54 AM
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Thankfully people who maintain the kind of bullshit mentality that you subscribe to are very few in comparison to the rational and compassionate people who embrace women's rights. Your concerns about men's rights would be taken much more seriously without the hateful agenda behind it. See you the fuck later.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 12:52 AM
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A significant portion of pornography that you find online features women from the sex-trafficking industry--I think that feminists typically are much more concerned about egregious human rights violations, such as that of men who coerce and kidnap women into a life of prostitution. The word "whore" is a word that is commonly used to denigrate victims of the sex-trafficking industry, instilling within them a sense of worthlessness and powerlessness, to the point where a well-to-do woman, otherwis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 12:43 AM
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Just throwing this out there, but maybe it has something to do with the radicalization of our young men? How are you supposed to relate with a woman when you inherently believe that feminism is the bane of American culture, or that women want to be raped? For the longest time, men have essentially denigrated and suffocated female opinions--I'd wager that the number one thing that a woman wants is to feel safe; how can you offer that to a woman when you automatically assume a position of entitlem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/19 11:37 PM
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I admire your perspective. From my point of view, this whole discussion seems so totally out of align with reality, as for pigeonholing people into these clockwork rolls, and following this very small handful of studies off of a cliff--studies, for which most of us probably don't understand very well. Despite how people put their faith in the black pill philosophy, what they claim to desire tends to be totally contradictory to the nature that they're portraying in their philosophy, in essence, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 09:11 PM
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What is the point of "enforced monogamy" if it's not what people truly want? You're a guy, right--by following your clockwork logic to its final conclusion, we can conclude that you will be a happier person for having more mates, as that follows from what you desire as a man. If anything, isn't it women who care about pair bonding? Why not just let women be women, without having to talk about punishing them for feeling the way that they do, and wanting the things that they do? This is all just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 08:32 PM
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I look at it in kind of an opposite way--the fact that awful things happen everyday, like police officers raping vulnerable women and fathers raping their daughters for years, it boggles my mind that these people can come out of these experiences, having had their trust in family, institutions, their world view and the world at large shattered, and feasibly experience love and joy--is just a fucking miracle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 01:33 AM
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