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l_____o_____l/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 01:32 PM
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l_____o_____l/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:34 AM
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I'm sorry your life has been so sheltered. There was a massive article from the perspective of the guy in that "both drunk, both initiated sex, guy gets kicked out of college" case just last month. I cant remember the name of it but its the one where the girl snuck back into the guy's room for sex she later claimed was non-consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/15 10:17 AM
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Uh, no, he accepted a plea deal. His (false) admission of guilt was what held up the conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 06:12 PM
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I'm telling you that my stack of peer-reviewed studies that show there is a huge variation in how women react to things that is largely the same span of reactions as how men react to things (so AWALT is false) trumps your bullshit anecdote collection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:12 PM
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Perhaps, but its not a semantic disagreement, I'm just objectively correct and you are wrong. Think about how evolution works. A variation within a population that produces more offspring over multiple generations eventually outcompetes an alternative that doesnt. The only criteria for "winning" is how many descendants (of all generations) the original variation produces. Whichever produces the most the fastest outcompetes. In the modern era very very few children die before reaching childrearin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 02:09 PM
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"Thrive" in an evolutionary context merely means breed and have many descendants. Having 10 poor kids is "thriving" vastly more than 2-3 rich ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:55 PM
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For these purposes it certainly is. It means if you have 10 children the chances of one or more of them dying is around half of one percent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 01:40 PM
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There are plenty (more) who have said wonderful, affirming things about them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:06 AM
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literally every time it makes it to court?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:04 AM
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I cant be bothered to look up that incident but there are no legal courtrooms in america where a claim of rape with no evidence other than the girl's word would hold up to a conviction. There are some fucking dumb college disciplinary boards though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:03 AM
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I don't agree. A cohesive friendship group (if you have one, they arent ubiquitous by any means) is defined by its own set of moral norms. In mine, cheating, gf or bf stealing, deliberately messing up someone's chances with a romantic interest, drunk driving, dating ex's and many other things are completely not ok, and would result in a) widespread callouts from everyone else in the group and b) in extremes (its happened once in 10 years), expulsion. I can see why this kind of group behaviour is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 10:02 AM
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lol @ collected data. One of the most basic axioms of science: "The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 09:54 AM
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Because we arent committed to the ludicrous notion of "AWALT", the fact that our experience directly confounds RP claims proves you are wrong. Even if half of all women acted as RP suggest (they dont, its around 20%, as shown in the many studies of sexual behaviour), RP is still wrong because "AWALT" being at the core of RP views requires at least the vast majority of women to conform to their expectation. To be right I dont need ALL women to act the way I'm describing, just enough that AWALT is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/15 09:53 AM
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I dont believe you. I can believe this was a partial motivation, but I refuse to believe that wanting to right an injustice didnt play even the tiniest role.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 05:00 PM
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Well your claim relies upon every single page view on Tumblr being a different person, each such person being a young woman, and each such young woman not having been exposed to feminism prior to that page view.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:54 PM
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Is this deliberate irony?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:53 PM
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Um, actually there are a tonne of feminist charities supporting women in countries like Saudi Arabia
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:52 PM
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This is so well put its poetic!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:46 PM
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Worse. You realise people arent just lonely and misguided they are actively malevolent and quite a few appear to be bordering on sociopathic (incapable of empathy)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:43 PM
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I'm a feminist and agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:39 PM
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They dont.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:36 PM
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I've looked at and posted to Tumblr a few times. I would show up in those numbers. Tumblr isnt my "first introduction to feminism", nor am I a "young woman". This is my point. Millions of views or even posts /=/ millions of people who are introduced to feminism this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 03:34 PM
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Dude, you've really got to supress that inclination towards empathy or else you'll be demoted from that RP Grand Dragon position you worked so hard to earn. all for selfish and evil reasons all? Not even a little bit because you genuinely thought the mother was wrong to tell her daughter she wasnt capable of succeeding at chess because she was a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:25 PM
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I am unfailing confident and generally dominant in a work context to the point I have to deliberately tone it down and sit back sometimes so that my (ostensibly equal ranked) peers dont feel I'm being overbearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:23 PM
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If you are a decent well-balanced person from a loving family background you wont tend to hang out with these kinds of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:22 PM
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In real life I hand out parking tickets that have been reworked into morality citations. so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:20 PM
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You've counted a million women a) state their age and b) confirm that this is their first introduction to feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:20 PM
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comprehension failure
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:18 PM
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how do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:02 PM
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Is there something wrong with drag shows? Is this at attempt at an insult by someone who assumes everyone else is as homophobic as they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 02:01 PM
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No, the 8% statistic is per rape claim made to the police. The 50% statistic is largely just made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:31 PM
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What would you call 6.7 rapes per 1000 people? Per YEAR
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:26 PM
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it's at 6-7 cases per 1000 people You realise thats per year as an adult right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:21 PM
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Its not that they are wrong, its that they miss the fundamental conclusion drawn from them - that this is a socialised state of affairs and we can and should address it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 01:01 PM
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Its funny that those are your takeaways from an article whose central premise is that the conceptual male/female dominant/supplicant alpha-beta/virgin-whore dichotomy that TRP wholeheartedly supports and believes is inherent in humans is fundamentally wrong, socially conditioned, and worse than that, is the cause of half of the evils that TRP rails against. As with many men, once Eric began disrespecting women on a regular basis, the lines between flirting and harassment, between sex and violati…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:42 PM
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8-12% is on par with false reporting of all other crimes. There are no credible methodology studies that demonstrated anywhere near 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:36 PM
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That is literally what happens. For red pill men AWALT should be AWWPUWMSALT All women who put up with my shit are like that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:35 PM
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"Entitled" in the context BP/feminism uses it means "wrongly feels like a woman owes him sex because of buying her drinks, being nice to her, listening to her feelings etc". Its a transactional view of sex that we reject on moral and consent-based grounds. That guy isnt self-evidently entitled he is just sad and unsuccessful and wont take responsibility for his own failures with women. He is evidently overweight and poorly dressed from the pictures, things he could easily fix. He definitely does…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:05 PM
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Literally: "Why would anyone not want to be a sociopath?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 12:00 PM
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Exactly "acting without regard to morals" is immoral not amoral. Observations of fact may be amoral. Most actions towards other human beings are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:59 AM
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"THE BITCH WANTED IT"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:57 AM
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Agreed there has been some movement but the consensus is still way too far on the "immoral and illegal" side of the "is it rape?" line.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:57 AM
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Rape is pretty common too
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:56 AM
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Maybe you should stop fucking paraletic girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:56 AM
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women deciding something was rape after the fact A vanishingly rare occurance roughly on par with fake robberies or indeed any other crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:55 AM
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The thing is /r/theredpill IS THE MAIN FOCUS OF RED PILL DISCUSSION IN THE WORLD. Tumblr isnt even A focus of feminism, let alone the main one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:53 AM
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Or are more cynically aware of quite how shit out of luck they are likely to be if they go to the police with a rape claim after they kissed consensually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:52 AM
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the UK doesnt have sodomy/buggery laws. Anal rape is rape or sexual assault by penetration (depending on what you use).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:51 AM
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One of my favourite Red Pillisms
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:51 AM
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Speak for yoruself. Not the locker rooms or pocker nights I attend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:50 AM
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And there is a subset of women on whom TRP techniques work fantasticly. Unfortunately this subset of women is p. terrrible. Fortunately so is the subset of men to whom TRP appeals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:48 AM
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Thats some powerful confirmation bias you've got there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:47 AM
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"My anecdotes are hard data, yours are to be sneeringly dismissed"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 11:47 AM
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By the metric of "evolutionary strategies". Evolutionary strategies are merely a measure of how many surviving decendants you have. In the modern world where poverty or crime does not preclude having children (and actually correlates with it), having more kids is always better from an evolutionary strategy perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:45 AM
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We are talking about "going well between you and her until your friend steps in, shows off his alpha chops, and steals her attention". Not "She likes him but I like her so I'm pissed at him".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:44 AM
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Prison isnt relevant to evolutionary advantage. Being in prison for some of your life doesnt preclude having children, if anything I'd guess the opposite correlation. As for premature (defined as prior to having children) death? We are talking a TINY percentage, vastly outweighed by the greater number of children that poor people tend to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/15 09:41 AM
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If people survive and breed who would otherwise have died, then thats a pretty massive impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 05:23 PM
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Not in modern society. The government and/or charity does that for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 03:16 PM
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A single mother of 10 children has a strong "evolutionary strategy" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 12:01 PM
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Research has found settling for Mr Right Now is a better evolutionary strategy than waiting for Mr Right Well no shit. Having 10 children as a single mother on Welfare is a better "evolutionary strategy" than marry well and having 2. "Evolutionary strategy" simply means "maximum number of surviving descendants". Using contraception is a poor evolutionary strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 11:59 AM
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Again, not among actual decent friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 11:55 AM
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engaged, done x 3, done x1, working on it, done, done, done, sorry nop and unlikely to happen as I have all kinds of critical illness insurance and my job is secure, hope I never will have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 10:59 AM
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AMOG implies you are in the same group, its right there in the acronym
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 10:57 AM
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Why would you be hanging out trying to meet women in a group of guys that wasnt your friends
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:27 PM
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Why
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:27 PM
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Normal, well-adjusted people don't have relationship problems. I dont know, I've been in relationships for the last 15 years and the biggest "problems" I have have been things like "how to let this sweet girl down gently now I realise I dont see myself with her for life"...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:26 PM
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Sadly true for most RPers
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 10:22 PM
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I think that people who consistently have this problem should get real friends, because no-one I know would do this to a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:25 PM
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Its redpill with the extraordinary claim (AWALT), so its redpill that needs to evidence it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:23 PM
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OR they are lying and exagerrating their partner's behaviour to make their own seem more reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:22 PM
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100% agree with OP and its something I've been saying from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:21 PM
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But you said: they are concerned about keeping the wealth they create for themselves Which is not the case under ANY communist structure, including Anarcho-communism (which many communists would argue isnt a form of communism at all). No money or private property or indeed "earning" in Anarcho-communism. To quote your own link: Anarchist communists argue that there is no valid way of measuring the value of any one person's economic contributions because all wealth is a collective product of curr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:19 PM
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Communists are not concerned about taking other people's wealth and spending it, they are concerned about keeping the wealth they create for themselves instead of having to give it up to someone else who happen to own their factory and their house. I'm sorry thats not even remotely close to true. Communism is not about "keeping the wealth you create", that's libertarianism, the literal opposite of communism. Communism at its core is about POOLING wealth communally and supporting everyone to an e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 08:03 PM
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I'm genuinely curious how a communist from Sweden could be red pill - which is a right wing libertarian mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 07:40 PM
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SJWs are vapid teenage to twenty-something non-voters, they arent representative of the left nor are they particularly significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 07:23 PM
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How immensely narcissistic and condescending of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 03:36 PM
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I thought "lol BP troll" then realised it was Archwinger and he is serious
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 01:25 PM
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But wait... I thought you said Red Pill was descriptive and objective not moral and subjective...but this looks an awful lot like a subjective moral rant!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 01:00 PM
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I love that "feminist" is now such a far reaching catch-all that you've even included the Disney Dream as a feminist narrative...despite it being the literal opposite of everything feminism stands for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 12:59 PM
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Red pill calls itself objective and descriptive, but 90% of red pill topics are moral. "But its not about morality its about how things are" isn't a claim that stands unsupported, and there isnt much support among posting to /r/theredpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 12:55 PM
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The anger phase is strong in this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 12:53 PM
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I first read this and thought it was someone agreeing with /u/rackmerackryou that /u/Shotss was being an arrogant, ignorant idiot who thought "you have no idea what you are talking about" was an effective rebuttal. Then I realised it was /u/Shotss posting again and my mind was blown. Irony overload?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 12:50 PM
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Promiscuous, damaged women are attracted to dark triad men in the same way that victims of abuse often seek out abusers. Its not a general trait in normal women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/15 12:49 PM
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Sorry but how does the conclusion follow? They are defining "has more kids" is being treated as proof of "ability to face societal challenges" and "functional partnership" and "within pair-cohesiveness" By that measure, trailer trash couples with 7 children are the most functional and cohesive of all!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 04:17 PM
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My default position, and what I think is morally right, is to give both parties the benefit of the doubt. Its perfectly possible to treat her as a rape victim and him as an innocent man, at least until the facts are clear. That said in this case I would say the evidence strongly implies her claims are false.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 04:14 PM
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Yes. Its not their fault necessarily but of course. They are weak as a product of their circumstances and upbringing - they havent developed the resiliance that many take for granted. I dont BLAME them for being weak, but yes, they are weak. tell him that he should kill himself What?? No. No-one should ever kill themselves unless they are terminally ill or critically disabled.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/15 12:29 PM
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Ruthless business plan or negotiating strategy, sure, but not in interpersonal attitude. You work far far far too long hours in far too close quarters for anyone to survive who is an angry wanker who showboats. Everyone is all smiles. Hearing someone so much as raising their voice is exceptionally rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 09:33 PM
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But the whole point of the objection is that by forcing people to demonstrate extreme physical strength before going on to do military jobs that simply do not require it, you are artificially and unfairly and most likely inefficiently excluding women from those jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 09:30 PM
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Actually they arent in transactional work, arbitration and settlements which makes up the vast majority of the highest paid legal jobs (not courtroom brawling). Aggression and dominance are easy ways to alienate the other side and lose negotiations, piss off your client and get chucked off the deal. TV shows are so far off base with this. Source: am an M&A lawyer at the very very top of my field.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 08:03 PM
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Why question anyone about anything, I'm sure the people already doing it know more about it than we do..
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 08:02 PM
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I agree elite units shouldnt comprimise on operational effectiveness. But do you agree that the physical standards should reflect the specific job? Is there a reason that a woman applying to be an intelligence officer needs to complete a extremely difficult strength test?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 08:01 PM
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I dont think you get "Nice Guys" (its capitalised and doesnt mean guys who are nice), and TBP only mocks virgins in the context of virgin foreveralones pretending they know everything there is to know about the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 07:59 PM
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Look higher up the thread, there's scientific reasons why women struggle with pullups in particular that arent "because they are weak".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 07:58 PM
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She points at the 7 cent residual unexplained gap and throws out a few suggestions that might explain it but has no studies to back that up. She also completely misses the point that most people on the left think a wage gap due to high pay requiring inflexible working conditions, aggressive negotiating tactics and so on is itself a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 07:55 PM
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And yet studies have regularly shown that MERELY CHANGING THE NAME on a resume from a man's to a woman's can massively reduce the positive response rate: http://www.jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118a9ef-0771-4777-9c1f-8232fe70a45c http://www.justicetalking.org/ShowPage.aspx?ShowID=604 http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income If this were purely a result of women's "natural aptitude" for high paying jobs being lower...then why is there so much lower a wage gap …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 03:37 PM
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they fear the social consequences then those few resources aren't a choice anyway. If you commit suicide rather than face social consequences.... how are you not weak? Based on what you're saying you expect men to find their own way out anyway, Not just men, EVERYONE. If he just can't find his own way out, what's left to do? Give me some example situations. If theres an obvious answer but he cant find it, doesnt that make him weak?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 03:21 PM
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"suicide as a result of dominance isn't my fault" You were saying to write that in a domestic abuse thread in which a woman has killed herself.....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:47 PM
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What? You were the one that said domestic abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:46 PM
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Although I agree she should be banned, these two things are in absolutely in no way equivalent: a woman who has been directly physically abused by a man killing herself; and a man who lives in a society in which women can also get jobs that he wants killing himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:46 PM
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1 in 4 motorcyclists have a serious accident at some point, and yet people still ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:44 PM
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Women in America are the freest in the world HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:44 PM
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It's what we call a myth. We call it a myth because it doesn't exist. Google "wage gap myth" and you'll get a lot of results from reputable sources on this. Uh no. There has never been a reputable study that has fully statistically accounted for the wage gap by controlling for other factors. The closest things have come is controlling it down to ~8% and then "guessing" some things that "may" account for the remaining 8%, with no actual proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:43 PM
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I dont see that follows in any way. I'm a man and I think its inherently weak to commit suicide. How could it not be? Suicide is an alternative to finding any other way out of your problems. If you cant find or wont accept any other way out (when there always is one), surely you ARE weak. Of course if the only other option is objectively worse than death (not just "hard"), then fair enough. But debilitating terminal illnesses aside, what fits in that category?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:39 PM
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They literally dont. They even say the word in a sarcastic tone: "Oh you are "UNNNHAAAAPPPPPPYYYYYY"? Too bad."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:37 PM
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Blue pill is just "dont agree with red pill". You can lump us all together as an ideology, we all believe totally different thigns
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:33 PM
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But in the best European countries there is a move towards giving men that same 1 year leave, or letting the man and his partner split it between them how they choose. This will undo this issue completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 02:00 PM
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The best countries in Europe are moving towards giving men the same leave as women for childbirth, which will completely fix this problem anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:59 PM
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Strength is why historically men have always dominated. All other "masculine" traits are just aspects of that or are reverred because strong men tend to have them. The natural/manufactured distinction you are trying to draw is a false one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:58 PM
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Its not a conspiricy, its the natural order of thing in a society in which physical strength is the most useful atttribute. We dont live in a society in which physical strength is the most useful atttribute anymore. Its a historic throwback.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:56 PM
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social engineering you mean? We've used it for thousands of years and it works fantastically. Why do you think we are so much more tolerant a society now than we were 300 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:55 PM
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If by manufactured you mean "socially engineered", then YES. The current generally accepted attitudes to racism are all socially engineered. There's nothing inherently wrong with that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:54 PM
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If men and women have equal leave after a child is born, men will still spend less time off work because they won't leave work before having a child, whereas women will due to being extremely pregnant. This is true but that doesnt make the men better workers and the obvious solution is to give both genders equal time off to have kids. Some jobs will simply be harder for a woman than a man, like being a lumberjack or repairing cars. Very few if any of those jobs are super high paid. There's no go…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:52 PM
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Dragging someone and doing a pullup are fundamentally different activities. Why not make the test, oh I dont know, ACTUALLY DRAGGING SOMEONE or a sack of weights equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:38 PM
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How many times do you think soliders on average need to do a pullup in actual live combat over the course of an average combat rotation? Hint: 0. Its part of the fitness test simply because its always been part of classic callisthenics training, not due to a specific operational need. The hand grenade test is quite different, driven by an actual operational need, and should remain.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:37 PM
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This is just a classic straw man. No BP would argue with the following (provided in each case ON AVERAGE is added, some women are stronger, even have more testosterone etc than some men): Men and women have some physical differences Men are stronger than women in the majority of cases There are hormonal differences between men and women Men have much more testosterone, which leads to them being more aggressive and more likely to take risks BP generally accepts the following technically but belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/15 01:35 PM
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I'm not denying male libedo, I'm denying that all men prioritise their libedo as much as red pill assumes they do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 05:28 PM
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The study you are referring to shows conclusively the changes are systemic and the difference between anonymous and "lie detector" for women is low (3.7->4.4). The "face to face" figure is irrelevant because that isnt a methodology used typically anyway, precisely because of the biases it introduces. Also the very fact that you can measure the lying and correct for it PROVES that the data gathered is still useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 03:08 PM
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Spot the guy who is emotionally abusive in every relationship ^ to the point he thinks this is totally normal. That isnt a broad definition in any way. Most relationships dont feature that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 02:48 PM
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The studies show only 20% of women look for casual sex. You can say "BUT WOMENZ ARE LIAAAARS" all you want, but where is the evidence for your own position? There isnt any!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/15 02:46 PM
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"You dont have any evidence" "Ok yes well you have evidence but its not VALID evidence because um... bitches... um ... LIE... and..." "Ok yes countless renowned scientists in the field of Psychology treat this kind of evidence as valid.. but.. .um... Psychology isnt a real science!" "Ok well I admit I quote a lot of different psychology papers and studies if you go back through my posting history but your studies measure things that are so subjective they dont mean anything" etc etc ad nauseum.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 09:31 PM
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Well that's exactly my point: you were broken and fucked up and your responses were unreasonable. Normal well-balanced people dont react like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 09:25 PM
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Not in the left wing press it didnt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 07:58 PM
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In the UK I'm pretty happy with the legal restrictions other than that one. They've just amended the guidelines to require positive consent which was the other big whole. I'd massively up the penalty for deliberately or recklessly having sex with an undisclosed STD but thats about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:59 PM
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Any new criminal law is inherently the criminilatization of previously civil matters, what is your point? It seems to be that "making things which arent currently crimes into crimes makes you a nazi".... Hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:48 PM
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Right but its only entitlement when you feel others OWE you it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:46 PM
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I think people, while remaining honest and open with their partner and, if they have kids, prioritising their happiness, should divorce if they are unhappy and cant resolve it after making reasonable efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 06:00 PM
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Do you understand the word "fundamentally", because by linking to that post, it rather seems like you do not. I can believe men and women differ in an infinite number of ways but do not differ fundemantally. Oh wait I DO believe that. You cant paraphrase that to "men and women are and should act the same". They are FUNDAMENTALLY the same, but there are loads of differences that are not fundamental.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:58 PM
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You cant even understand how a relationship with another person can be anything other than transactional. This is the definition of a "what's in it for me" mindset of someone who fundamentally only cares about themselves. When you actually care about other people you are willing to sacrifice for them for no reward or even acknowledgement if they need it, a more fundamentally un-transactional relationship couldnt exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:56 PM
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Well there you go. moving the goalposts again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:53 PM
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There is almost next to no noise made by Western feminists about the unfairness of Muslim countries to women. Is this a joke or are you retardedly ignorant?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:53 PM
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So then you'd be OK if a woman admitted to lying about being on birth control pills, and used that lie to trap him into a pregnancy he didn't want, right? Um, YES, as I said in the quote tree you replied to! Do you actually read before replying? 3) Immoral and should be illegal - see response 2 So tell me: do you agree that women who lie about being on the pill should be thrown in jail as well if she gets pregnant? Proving it would be tricky, but if she admitted it, why shouldn't it be a crime? …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:52 PM
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See: any country where divorce is precluded by cultural considerations then
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:48 PM
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of anger? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 05:48 PM
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I actually feel sorry for you mate. You are fundamentally a selfish person and cant seem to conceive of the idea that not everyone operates the way you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 04:00 PM
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I think I'm reflecting how I react to life and how the people around me appear to react to life. I dont know anyone who "has a temper" over random acts of chance. Its something I associate with low IQ or the very young. Maybe its a cultural thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:59 PM
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What? A divorce tells us people were unhappy with their marriage, but a LACK of divorce doesnt tell us whether they were unhappy but unwilling to divorce (see: Pakistan) or happy. Thus divorce RATES dont tell us anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:57 PM
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Emotional abuse is stuff like deliberately saying untrue things in fights to make the other person feel as bad as possible. The classic examples are things like "no-one else would ever love you" etc. Basically deliberate attempts to hurt the other person's self esteem. Its distinct from controlling behaviour in this way. I know I am victim blaming here but I almost am to the point where I don't think that emotional abuse is a real thing because it's the only type of abuse that you have to let ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:48 PM
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How is it logically inconsistant? You may not agree but surely you can see the logic. There are almost no wife-driven divorces in Pakistan. Does that prove relationships in Pakistan are happier? I dont think divorce is a good thing, I think it can be good or bad depending on the situation. The divorce of an unhappy marriage is a good thing, as the child of any parents who should have but did not get divorced will be able to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:47 PM
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Because we dont draw false parallels between marriage and happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:45 PM
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If all your partners are aware of each other and you arent lying to them then there is nothing wrong with it I was just being fascetious
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:44 PM
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I dont consider divorce rate as = to happyness. In some cases I think a higher divorce rate could reflect a good thing, if the alternative is an unhappy relationship continuing because one partner is dependant on the other. It doesnt surprise me that more egalitarian societies have higher divorce rates. It certainly doesnt tell us anything about how happy people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:26 PM
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There are an infinite number of insults that cut deeply. Most people grow out of this playground shit when they are 12 or so...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:24 PM
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No, you are both cruel abusive manipulators.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:23 PM
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Lol look at all that chav-tastic trailer park drama. Dude, you and all the people in your story sound like children. Why are you messaging someone you hate on facebook? Grow up and ignore them. Frankly, it's a little unnerving to have this kind of power. Most people grow out of it in middle school
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:22 PM
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TRP treats women like pets basically
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:20 PM
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The irony of "hamstering" is that dismissing someone elses opinion as "hamstering" and therefore not worth refuting is it self "hamstering"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:16 PM
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You dismiss all the relevant evidence as lying or false. We post studies that show the happiest relationships are kind, equal and emotionally open all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:15 PM
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Except not one of us has ever said or implied this. This is the redpill fallacy "men and women are self-evidently different in certain ways therefore this made up list of other ways they are different is also correct"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:13 PM
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Studies based on subject reporting are dismissed as worthless without any counter evidence. "Evolutionary psychology" used as a pseudo-scientific front for plausible-sounding pop-psychology. Lots and lots of "facts" about behaviour and "common sense" explanations that are simply false, not generalisable or dont apply outside of specific subsets of USA population (namely, the tiny segment of people who primarily go to bars to meet the opposite sex)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:11 PM
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Neither disappointment nor frustration with oneself involve anger at others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 03:06 PM
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ONS is larger than the number of women who admit to be the type for ONS I agree with, but even assuming no men exaggerate their sexual conquests we know at most the difference is a few % (and we know for a fact that men do exaggerate, reducing it further)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 02:29 PM
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We are not so far apart in our views, the difference is primarily what we think people want and how we think people will act. You think all women will have ONSs or cheat on their boyfriend if the guy is hot enough, I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 02:14 PM
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RP appeals to men who are misogynist narcissists and women with father-figure issues or women with low skills who are content being trophy wives for the financial comfort it may bring. It isnt a generally applicable creed. If your Gentleman isnt a misogynist narcissist, he wont enjoy having to treat you like a beloved but ultimately non-sapient pet. He can't pretend to be a misogynist narcissist. Its a state of mind. Similarly you cant pretend to have a desperate unfilled hole for a father figur…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 12:19 PM
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4 varies from state to state and in many is legal actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 12:00 PM
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I'd throw a guy in jail for noticing a broken condom and carrying on sex without mentioning it, yes. Proving that would be tricky, but if he admitted it, why shouldnt it be a crime? In termso of risk of harm its pretty much the same as assaulting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 12:00 PM
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You dont agree with the many studies that have been done on this topic? Do you have any evidence beyond your own gut prejudices and anecdotal experience to back that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:58 AM
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Who are you trolling? Thats not a BP view nor a RP one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:57 AM
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I dont know what that means, but if its the sole alternative to treating sex and relationships transactionally then sure
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:56 AM
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Right but entitlement is about feeling owed. owed X and entitled to X are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:55 AM
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The thing is, I've always maintained that red pills view that most women have ONSs isnt true. I believe, and my anecdotal experience supports the view, that a small, (say 20%) number of both sexes have almost all the ONSs and most women dont have ONSs at all. All the studies on this have supported my view, but Red Pill waves them away as "women lying". That's not science though - any evidence, even evidence which in all likelyhood is distorted by reporting biases, should trump "literally no evid…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:55 AM
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Let me guess, you view "trust", "fidelity" and "loyalty" transactionally too? We have a fundamental difference of opinion then. I think its highly ironic that red pill sidebar claims "women are incapable of true friendship". "True friendship" is inherently non-transactional. If it were transactional it would be a form of business relationship not friendship. The "true" part implies being motivated by more than purely selfish reasons. Basically viewing the world exclusively through the transactio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:48 AM
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Thats so weird. Anger at inanimate objects, chance occurances, the world in action etc is just so alien to me. Disappointment isnt anger, at least not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:44 AM
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Angry? Feminists are generally a kinky, well-sexed bunch
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:43 AM
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I dont think its possible at all. Well balanced BP people cant RP. Its a mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:32 AM
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"implied terms" is a legal (contractual) concept. You have no legal right to sex. I think its a reasonable expectation, but not an entitlement, and these two things are VERY DIFFERENT
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 11:08 AM
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feeling entitled TO SEX is wrong because no-one can owe you sex (outside of some grey area situations in prostitution, but even then they could refund you and walk away presumably). feeling entitled to anything you are not entitled to is wrong You've made up a straw man and beaten it, congratulations. As I've said 30 or so times now, no-one is attacking the idea of being entitled to things generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:16 PM
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I simulated anorexia for 6 hours today. It wasnt that bad I dont know what they are complaining about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:14 PM
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Feeling someone owes you sex because you did x y and z for them IS pathological. Its treating them like they dont have agency or a right to make their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:13 PM
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Are we talking about intelligent people here, or low IQ assholes who rage at inanimate objects etc? Anyway the thing about sexual entilement that makes it bad is the sexual context - treating sex as a transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:12 PM
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You dont get angry because things don't meet your expectations. IF it rains on a summer day, do you feel angry? If you thought you were having chicken for supper but instead mom cooked lamb do you get angry? If the person you wave hello to, immeditately opens an umbrella on which the words "HI THERE FRIEND!" are written in massive letters, do you get angry? You werent angry the guy who said "fuck off asshole" didnt meet your expectaiton, you were angry he said "fuck off asshole"...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:10 PM
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Lol, no it isnt, reasonableness of belief is one of the most highly explored and developed legal concepts in common law.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:08 PM
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Not most people. The angry bitter ones are are pretty small minority. ). I just talked with a diverse group of single people this weekend about the condition of their sex/relationship life, and high levels of anger and frustration was apparent from everyone. Anger? Why? Who were these people? Who were they angry at? I've literally never met anyone angry about their sex life outside of red pill groups and other male sympathisers. Sad maybe...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:05 PM
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It really isnt, because the context changes everything. ...unless of course you view sex as a reward to be doled out by women to manipulate men into doing what you want... Oh wait forgot who I was talking to, never mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 10:02 PM
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We are talking about women though. An overweight woman can still easily get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 09:59 PM
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3.A majority of women has had sex with one of the minority guys - moderately likely. Anything to support this? 4.A minority of the guys is desired by the majority of women - very likely. Anything to support this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 09:58 PM
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As long as they lie systemically (which they do) it doesnt matter - the trends still hold even if the numbers are off. PS: Men also lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:47 PM
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That doesnt make studies garbage. The trends remain true because bias is generally systemic. Learn basic stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:47 PM
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No, they have shown that men exaggerate and women underexaggerate sexual frequency. But that doesnt make the numbers garbage, especially as its trivial to correct for this exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:46 PM
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20% of guys AND 20% of the girls have 80% of the sex. The 1/5 of Sluts and "Alpha studs" fuck each other. The plurity of people is largely monogamous and in LTRs, and the final 1/3 of both sexes is celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:45 PM
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OP is full of shit, NBS
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:43 PM
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TALK ABOUT TAKING QUOTES OUT OF CONTEXT! Here is the full quote: that only 20 percent of the men (those considered to have the highest status) are having 80 percent of the sex, with only 20 percent of the women (those with the greatest sexual willingness); the remaining 80 percent, male and female, sit out the hookup dance altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:42 PM
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I've literally just explained that: The thing that makes it so objectionable in the sexual context is it treats sex as a transaction, which no-one outside of fairly fucked up red pill circles and prostitutes does. But I'll expand. Sex isnt transactional for people who aren't sociopaths or prostitutes. Therefore your feeling of being entitled to sex is not based on any actual entitlement. The other person didn't accept your "niceness" as a transactional payment for which they will repay you in "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:40 PM
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NO-ONE, literally NO-ONE, is arguing against the dynamic of feeling owed somethign in a general sense. It is 100% about context.... The thing that makes it so objectionable in the sexual context is it treats sex as a transaction, which no-one outside of fairly fucked up red pill circles and prostitutes does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:35 PM
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Why do you keep saying this? The part of sexual entitlement that is objectionable is the sexual context, not the "idea of feeling owed something". "Switching it up" is changing the subject to something totally irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:33 PM
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Without the body dysmorphia or the concerned family and friends or the social stigma etc etc you arent experiencing anorexia and cant draw any real conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:30 PM
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Most people are not angry at women generally (or rejectors specifically) for their own lack of sex. The guys that are tend to be shitty human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:27 PM
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So you would also agree that no one owes anyone any kind of default respect? What does respect have to do with what we are discussing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:23 PM
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You cant "take it out of the sexual sphere" because it is the very fact that people feel entitled IN THE SEXUAL SPHERE that makes it wrong. No-one is seriously claiming its wrong to feel entitled to anything. How would contracts work? Its feeling entitled to SEX that is wrong. Generally when people shorthand with "you are acting entitled" they mean "you are acting entitled in a context where you are not and could not be entitled."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:20 PM
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Wouldn't having a contract justify your entitlement? You would be entitled because you have a contract. Thats literally what I said. I've spent the last year and a half working part-time for someone without any contract to do so. Half of my jobs in the past have involved no contract. Wrong. You have an unwritten contract with a hell of a lot of implied terms. And I have no idea how "statutory protections" applies here, but it doesn't really matter given that they most often have little to no tee…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:17 PM
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By treating it as a crime in the first place when the woman admitted it was consensual but she didnt realise he was palestinian...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 05:16 PM
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This might be the case for some men, but biologically speaking men are "wired" to be the pursuers and I think they enjoy it. Pffft....standard "cerial box evolutionary biology" pseudo-science. Do a survey of men and you'll see near-universal appreciation of sexual initiation by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 04:45 PM
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Being a fundamentally loving, egalitarian blue couple it doesnt really work to roleplay at red pill for a few days. If my girlfriend says "I'm going to pretend to be a bitch for a few minutes but dont worry I dont mean it", that's hardly going to have the same emotional impact on me as her actually being unpleasant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 04:43 PM
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In this case he would be wholly innocent because he didnt commit the act (non-consensual sex) required for a crime to be found. "Not guilty" as a jury/judge verdict can either mean innocent, not-proven, or subject to a full-defence (except in Scotland where there is a seperate verdict for the latter two, in which case Not guilty === Innocent)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 04:33 PM
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No, it entirely depends on context. It may or may not be a crime. I'm certainly not saying "if you are married you are deemed to have consented". I'm saying "if that kind of thing comes within the behaviours both of you consider acceptable, and you know (or reasonably believe) that, then its fine". For full on sex, usually context requires having at least talked about it before hand ("would you like it if...?"). For oral sex, particularly with a man as the recipient, as its primarily for the rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 04:32 PM
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Or found him innocent because the sex was consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 04:27 PM
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If being depressed indirectly makes you an asshole, deal with your depression first before looking for a relationship. No-one should rely on another person in order for themselves to be a decent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 04:26 PM
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"nerd" is like a hundred different traits. You should probably discard the "poor personal hygeine" and "lacks basic interpersonal skills and empathy" ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:34 PM
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sounds like a really balanced and healthy view of the world. and by that I mean racist, immature and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:27 PM
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Are you a racist? Surely "what you go for" is what you find attractive, and you found her attractive. Why would the genetic basis of her attractive looks impact whether you found her attractive or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:27 PM
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Israel does some seriously fucked up shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:26 PM
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1) Immoral but should not be illegal. If she is fucking you for a specific benefit she should do her due diligence first. If you are pretending to be a specific other person (e.g. her actual boyfriend and its really dark and she is drunk so doesnt see through it), this would be rape though. 2) Immoral and should be illegal. Due to the risk of pregnancy and stds, should basically be treated as a lesser form of sexual assault, not rape. 3) Immoral and should be illegal - see response 2) 4) Immoral…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:24 PM
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BP tend not to see sex as transactional. The idea of "owing" someone sex is suspect, and doing so without that being your express intention is entirely abhorrant. RP tend to think of most women as mobile, self-heating cum recepticles, so its not a huge surprise that you dont understand the objections to a transactional view of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:16 PM
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The reason we dislike entitlement is you cant feel entitled to something FROM another person unless you also feel they OWE you that thing, they are corrolaries. Saying "I did x and y and z for you so you owe me sex" is frankly disgusting. If thats your outlook on sex go use a prostitute where at least you can agree terms up front.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:14 PM
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You've injected the word "owed" there, which makes you now correct, but is not what you originally quoted. "expecting something" and "feeling owed something" are very different. I expect it not to rain tomorrow, I'm not going to be suing anyone if it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:12 PM
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No, you are, because you have a contract of employement and statutory protections. Its only wrong to feel entitled when you are in fact NOT entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:10 PM
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If you want to get "technical", colloquialisms, slang, neologisms etc exist just as much as any other words do, especially if in widespread use. In any case, the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of entitlement matches the way BPers use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:10 PM
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I also don't believe "feeling one deserves" and "feeling entitled to" are the same thing. Most people would agree with the idea "No one is entitled to sex", but who would say "No one deserves sex"? That would be harsh. THis is a false distinction. They are the same thing. IF its purely about being a good person then thats feeling entitled to some level of cosmic fairness, or reciprocal karma. IF its in relation to a specific woman then its the exact kind of entitlement that is a problem. ("inser…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:07 PM
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I've never ever seen a guy say he is entitled to sex Anyone who is angry at a girl, women generally or indeed anyone other than himself as a result of his lack of sex is essentially "saying he is entitled to sex". Why else be angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:07 PM
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Please explain to me a context in which a man feels external anger following rejection of sexual intimacy by a woman which is not caused by entitlement in the man. Genuinely curious, because to me, the only possible cause of that anger (as opposed to disappointment, sadness, indifference, amusement or even internal anger (anger at oneself)) is a belief he deserves (aka is entitled to) sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:05 PM
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If someone does not get X and as a result feels anger, that can only be because that person feels entitled to X, either as a reward for effort put in, because of a belief in cosmic "fairness", or due to some kind of trade. Otherwise why be angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:03 PM
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Entitlement: What the word actually means: The correct usage of the word “entitlement” in context of engendered discussion should be more correctly used to describe a situation in which someone has expended no effort, but expresses a displeased disposition in regards to his or her results, lack there-of, or other people’s behavior towards it. This couldnt be more wrong. There is no amount of "effort" that entitles you to sex with a specific girl. Thinking that entitlement has anything to do with…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:01 PM
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"Just be yourself" is great advice, but it needs to be coupled with "But make sure "yourself" is something worth dating first".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 02:00 PM
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I think 90% of TRPers are foreveralone neckbeards. This has been perfectly supported by the TRPers I've met IRL to date. I call these the "acolytes". 5% appear to be narcissistic but good looking guys from fucked up family backgrounds desperately casting around for a philosophy that rationalises their shallow and self-absorbed lifestyle. I call these the "priests". 5% are not true TRPers, they call themselves TRP but reject half or more of what TRP teaches and pretend TRP is just about the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 12:32 PM
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If you are a doormat who is deeply unhappy, you shouldnt be dating. Work on yourself until "being yourself" doesnt mean "be a fucking loser"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 12:30 PM
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If "yourself" is naturally attractive, evidently you are wrong. "Just be yourself" is great advice for anyone who isnt naturally repellant. Anyone who IS naturally repellent (for example, due to deep ingrained depression, being a fat slob, or being a pathetic loser) shouldnt be dating, but instead focusing on self-improvement. "Just be yourself" is great advice, but it needs to be coupled with "But make sure "yourself" is something worth dating first".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 12:29 PM
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Everything I do is oriented around validation. It's innate to being an extrovert. I dont agree with this at all. Need for external validation is entirely independant of personality type. There are plenty of needy as fuck intoverts. What you are describing is how someone with low inherent self-esteem is wired. Not by nature of being an extrovert, but by nature of not having a genuinely positive opinion of one-self. True self-contentment comes from within. And you still haven't told me what is "wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/15 09:41 AM
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I would be willing to bet cash-money that a large proportion of the claimed plate-spinning red pillers are foreveralone neckbeards
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:41 PM
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Please provide data to support your assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 04:38 PM
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•NLP is not pseudoscience or at least I am not aware of any controversy about it. Lol. Literally 5 minutes with google dude... Saying its not a pseudoscience is like saying red pill is proven to work because going to the gym improves people's romantic success or that Scientology is true because its members feel a sense of belonging.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:23 PM
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We dont ban chemistry, we ban or tightly control the subset of chemistry that involves biological warfare or nuclear weapons research. Similary, this is a TINY subset of genetics, not an entire subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:17 PM
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Basically, you deny the relevance? What about lactose intolerance? Is race irrelevant then? Well yes, because relevance is all about context. In the context of moral questions, questions about how people should be treated or what assumptions we should make about individuals, racial differences are not relevant. There are no areas in which a racial difference in intelligence, if one exists, are relevant to practical concerns in modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 02:16 PM
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Then provide a better source than I did that says what you say. You cant just arbitrarily decide my data is useless when you have NONE of your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:57 AM
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The thing is, all of your differing relationships with sex stem from your teenage years, when your personality got "fixed". At the time, you equated sex with validation, and your lack of sex hurt your self esteem. Those associations dont suddenly disappear when, in your 20s, you suddenly have a lot of sex. Just like how people's relationship with the opposite sex is largely defined by their parent's relationship with each other during their teenage years, the same goes for sex. That shit stays w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:56 AM
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Then they are dumb and have no self-respect. Maybe later should be responded to with "your loss, cya"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:49 AM
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Its funny, in the other thread you say I'm not a SJW and SJW is a narrow field of people with specific views (who I think of as radfems). In this thread you say BP is a subset of SJW.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:49 AM
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But I cannot possible fathom denying existence of race. Do you not understand that just the fact that whites and blacks have different skin is proof of race? Who denys the existence? We deny the RELEVANCE Rational inquiry is done for the sake of rational inquiry. How can such an abstract justification possibly outweigh the potential harm Then the outcome doesn't matter. The outcome doesnt matter to the moral case for or against discrimination. It absolutely does matter in terms of how much discr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:46 AM
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The difference between all of those other subjects for funding and bio truth, is that those other subjects dont have the potential to encourage the worst depths of human behaviour - genocide, racial segregation, apartheid etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:45 AM
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To investigate the problem, there is no need (or benefit) to investigate a specific one of an infinite number of statistical consequences of that problem
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/15 10:44 AM
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Unfortunately 4/10 of the children that "cure" was tested on went on to develop leukemia so they've shelved it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:27 PM
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Because if Person A isn't a spineless loser he would say "thanks, but if we can't date I'll see you later".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:26 PM
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For what possible purpose? Why would it be a good thing to research? What benefit would be gained? It doesnt matter what the outcome is, its not going to change the MORAL case for equal treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:24 PM
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I think this is a convenient no true scotsman. When you disagree with someone, the are a SJW, when you dont, they arent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:19 PM
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No shit, thats the obvious answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:16 PM
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I picked out the juiciest bits, that wasnt a continuous segmant of the article
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:15 PM
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No, its the same point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:14 PM
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Good luck plate spinning in rural bangla :P, but I take your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:14 PM
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The people "investigating" bio truths are rarely proper scientists either to be fair. They are philosophers, political scientists etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:11 PM
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Torture is proven not to be effective, therefore method research is pointless. Again thats irrelevent, imagine torture WAS moderately effective and all the same applies. I mean you can't avoid the topic of racial intelligence differences once the genes are identified that express it. Using race for these purposes isn't at all helpful, because even if race is vaguely related to intelligence, race is made up of literally thousands of different gene expressions the vast majority of which will have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:06 PM
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Ignoring its value judgements for a second, do you think the article misrepresents the neo reaction/manosphere materially?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:03 PM
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Someone who thinks and actively expresses their view that society needs to make radical adjustments currently to resolve structural and internalised unfair discrimination. I.e. these problems are still massive and we arent doing anywhere near enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 02:00 PM
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If you live in a western society (or a city which apes western society, like Singapore or Dubai) and primarily interact with western people you are a westerner regardless of your families origin. If you dont, how is red pill relevant to you? Sometimes when you use BP you mean a specific, narrow group of radical feminists. Sometimes you mean "anyone on the left" and sometime you mean "anyone not RP". I cant keep track of which you mean this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 01:55 PM
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HHL's stated view is that red pill views are an offshoot / development of the bio truth movement. Its not some unconnected wingnuttery
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 01:54 PM
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What is the difference between what you are describing and "being friends". If you liked her as a friend regardless, and didnt want to date her at that time, surely you were just friends, not friendzoned
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 01:52 PM
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Forget biological warfare then, how about research into effective physical torture methods? Same argument, same point, same reaction. Surely there would be some uproar, but at least if you know there's a problem you can look for a genetic solution We are probably 50-100 years away from having a genetic "cure" that works on living adults for anything, let alone a way to amend people's DNA on the hop. Not that anyone would even want to "cure" something like this. Given these facts, your use of thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 01:44 PM
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That's funny, because I am a social justice advocate and I don't believe in calling people out for political correctness, I think the expression "check your privilege" is an unhelpful term that shuts down discussion without engaging, and I'm against cultural determinism conceptually. Do I not exist? It's almost like you cant lump literally all vaguely leftist people into one all-encompassing generalisation....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 01:43 PM
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16 of your last 20 posts in this sub are replies to me, I'm not the one trash-talking
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 01:40 PM
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as did I
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:13 PM
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SJW is just a critical epithet. Of course you dont think of anyone you like as an SJW. Being PC and believing in social justice are two entirely different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:12 PM
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To be fair, both occultists and white power supporters are not irregular commentators on many manosphere blog comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:11 PM
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This is just obsessive semantics. Call it "The Dark Enlightenment", call it whatever term you want, I dont care. Its clearly relevant because /r/theredpill is a significant constituant part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:10 PM
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Yes its ethnocentric, but I'm not apologising for that. Obviously my value judgements only apply to modern western socieities. So do yours. Its the perspective we come from. RP is a reaction to mainstream liberalism in modern western societies, it is also ethnocentric. RP isnt relevant in a traditional conservative society like say, Bangladesh. You are a tiny minority in the sphere of reference to which your views are relevant, and thats all that matters for this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:08 PM
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Research into race realism is like research into biological warfare. It may have some abstract scientific merit but the potential for it to be misused for grossly evil purposes (looking at you, Nazi eugenics programs) is just too great for it to be something that will be widely accepted as legitimate in modern society. Not to mention that a lot (even most) of the people who seem to advocate such research are, entirely independant of that advocacy, self-evidently unpleasant racists with strong ul…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:06 PM
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I'm going to quote myself: "red pill right" means more than just "red pill", in the same way "South park republican" means quite a bit more than "people who watch south park" your point is kinda just semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 12:00 PM
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To your edit: OK. So what? The happiness maximizing number of sexual partner is 1 because nobody knows what to do past 1. Most make it to one after arduous effort. And its problematic to go further. TRP provides alternative to BP sexual strategy as its explicit aim. No, what this is saying is that people who have more than one sexual partner in a year are less happy than those who have just one. Plate spinners are less happy than monog relationshippers. Also, stop using sexual survey results as …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:59 AM
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And sometimes it just get awkward. Like you don't know how to broach the topic, or its not the right time This is just bullshit you tell yourself to excuse your cowardice and dishonesty. If there is a good reason not to ask out someone you are interested in, don't hang out with them until there isnt.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:57 AM
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The red pill side bar includes articles that are nothing to do with sexual strategy so that falls down pretty fast. And you can argue that "red pill right" means more than just "red pill", in the same way "South park republican" means quite a bit more than "people who watch south park"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:52 AM
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The problem is, at this point, "BP" is a label red pill uses to describe EVERYONE who isnt red pill, i.e. almost everyone. If 99% of people think you are a cunt, then you are probably a cunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:51 AM
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There are quite a lot of red pill bio truthers, including HHL, who post in here you realise? The ethnic cleansing part is hyperbole / extremist, but the underlying prejudices are common in red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:14 AM
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They are using "red pill right" to describe the whole manosphere, not just the "red pill sexual strategy". Even you must admit 2/3 of the topics in /r/theredpill do not relate directly to sexual strategy. So your point is kinda just semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:13 AM
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SMV is literally how arousing you are. For most BP people this is a tiny subset of what makes people worthwhile. Perhaps even entirely independent of worth. Friendship with people of both genders (common for most BPers) is not based AT ALL on SMV for BPers (oddly though, it does seem to be for same-sex friendships for RPers and women who live similar lifestyles to RP men). What makes someone worthwhile? I think this is a subjective question and generally will reflect what the answerer values or …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:08 AM
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The thing is, when 90% of the clubs are male only, an assault on 10-15% of them is hardly objectionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:03 AM
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You know Sarah Silverman is a feminist and social justice campaigner right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:02 AM
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There are literally dozens of PPD threads where we pick through the studies on sexual frequency and shown that only about 20% of adult (post-college) men do not have regular sex (and its the same number for women). Use the search function.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 11:01 AM
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You dont get it, they believe the man owns the woman, not mutual ownership.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:55 AM
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The reason friend-zoning as a term is objectionable is it sounds like its something the object of your affections does to you. When in fact its a thing that happens due to your own lack of honesty or lack of self-respect and they are often completely unaware.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:49 AM
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Friendzoning can only come from lack of honesty and/or self-respect on the side of the guy (the person being friendzoned, it actually could be the girl too). Its literally impossible for it to happen to someone who is honest and self-respecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:48 AM
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What does this even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:47 AM
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That 20% number has been shown to be bullshit time and time again and yet you keep bringing it out. Furthermore: Money, Sex, and Happiness: An Empirical Study - David G. Blanchflower, Andrew J. Oswald http://www.nber.org/papers/w10499 The happiness-maximizing number of sexual partners in the previous year is calculated to be 1 The idea that all men want multiple sexual partners and plate spinning is false. Most men do not want that. Red pillers have this horrible characteristic of assuming their…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:43 AM
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So you have CYV then? You accept its NOT the same as emotional plate spinning, because it is unintentional and, most likely, good intentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:43 AM
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Your view is conditional on you not believing in platonic friendships. For anyone who does, your view is laughable. A guy who gets friendzoned is either being dishonest (not expressing his true intentions, ie. romantic) or has no self-respect (has expressed his intentions, been rejected, and not taken the hint and moved on). No-one to blame but himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:42 AM
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Well firstly I dont believe feminism is inherently misandrist, (radfem is. Gender feminism isnt misandrist but results in outcomes unfairly detrimental to men, indirectly. Other forms of feminism, which are closer to egalitarianism, are not at all). Indulging your hypothetical however, the way social movements work is not to move social norms to the norms of the movement, but to influence where the mainstream boundaries end, even while outside that mainstream, by raising questions that the mains…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/15 10:04 AM
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How is posting and then being called out as a troll by a half dozen people a "successful application of trolling skills"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/15 06:22 PM
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If someone commits a crime while drunk its their fault. If someone is a victim while drunk, its still the criminals fault. This is such an incredibly simple distinction I dont even comprehend how anyone with enough brain cells to type can't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:29 PM
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Anyone who sees this case and their first thought is some bullshit about shaming the victim is a shitty person. Objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:28 PM
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What is wrong with you? It says you are blue pill but....
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:16 PM
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Jesus christ. THATS your take away?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:15 PM
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The videos plus her testimony would raise a rebuttable presumption she was unconscious and therefore unconsenting. They would need to rebut this presumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:13 PM
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Feminism's view is that if a woman "consents" to an unequal relationship dynamic with the man as head of the household this simply implies she has internalised misogyny and is being coerced, whether she realises it or not. There is no branch of feminism that thinks a relationship in which the woman is treated as "the most responsible teenager" in the house is a healthy or acceptable dynamic. What you are saying is not a feminist perspective on this topic, mainstream or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:06 PM
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I have a BPD ex, my aunt is NPD and I know a diagnosed sociopath (APD) well. I am a regular contributor on outofthefog.net, which is the internet's leading resource on this topic. But as you were saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:03 PM
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they CAN but most do not, most arent ever diagnosed, detected or aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:02 PM
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A small number do. The vast majority go completely undetected, even to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 05:02 PM
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You dont seem to understand sociopathy at all. Dating a sociopath isnt some "undetectable, certain ruin". If they arent high-functioning you will easily identify them. If its only situational they arent a sociopath, just insensitive and selfish. Dont date selfish people, and break up with people who turn out ot be selfish. If you arent a navel gazing idiot you couldn't go 3 years in a relationship and not notice your partners complete lack of empathy. To miss that your partner is a sociopath, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:55 PM
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When the subset includes the OP and you are using it to illustrate the OPs personal choices are dumb, its not cherry picking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:53 PM
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You are describing sadism. Sociopathy is a lack of empathy, it doesnt meant "enjoys hurting people".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:52 PM
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Most sociopaths are harmless. The vast majority of sociopaths are spottable. IF your SO doesnt show genuine empathy, leave them. If you can't spot this after several years despite knowing what a sociopath is and what the warning signs are ...what is wrong with you? Even then, its not like "dating a sociopath" automatically = death. Also, presumably you dont have any friends of either gender either, on the offchance THEY are sociopaths?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:51 PM
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Please justify traditional gender roles in the home (captain-first officer roles) from a feminist perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:36 PM
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The red pill senior guys tend to describe you that way "Oh they are just young guys in the anger phase... the bitterness passes as you get older". For blue pillers, you guys being OLD and angry actually makes our point, that red pill is more about hatred and anger than it is about self-help, all the more powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:35 PM
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thirded
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/15 12:33 PM
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Where did I say it did? I'm talking about those socially constructed gender differences which DO result in discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:16 PM
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London
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:14 PM
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Which of the statements I quoted does that relate to? That is source for a higher sex drive, not "being better able to cope with celibacy" nor "men's self worth is determined by how he accesses sex" nor "virginal women are highly valued".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:14 PM
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inequality against women is the prevalent form of gender inequality No-one who isn't being faceitious or ignorant genuinely disputes this. Hell, most RPers and even some MRAs would concede this. Feminism would be more aptly named "removal of gender discrimination against women, while increasing gender discrimination against men". I disagree. I dont think Feminism deliberately or directly increases gender discrimination against men and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a mainstream feminist w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 09:12 PM
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Women cope better with involuntary celibacy Citation: [ ] And you have not established what proportion of that 34% of men and women are involuntarily celibate, so any argument on those grounds fails to be proven, automatically. Also, culturally a large portion of a man's self worth is determined by how and if he accesses sex. Source: [ ] I agree this appears true of Red Pillers, poor pathetic bastards, however. virgin women are not, they are valued. They really aren't outside of mega conservativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 01:19 PM
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Your statement is not the opposite of mine. You also dont seem to understand the term "justified". In this context, "justified" simply means "a reasonable course of action given the action's ostensible goals". Feminism's ostensible goal is to eliminate gender inequality, with a focus on the prevalant form of gender inequality, being inequality against women. If unequal gender differences are largely social constructs, and gender inequality is largely at the expense of women, then feminism as soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 01:16 PM
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Other people have explained. If gender differences on which discrimination is based are social constructs, then the feminist movement is justified in seeking to change social norms to remove such constructs and therefore remove such discrimination with the goal of a more egalitarian society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 12:43 PM
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But many of the most important "gender differences" are not inherent, they are socially ingrained, and thus feminism is purposeful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 12:41 PM
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If it is accepted that unqual gender differences are based on social norms, then one can achieve better equality by changing those social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 12:39 PM
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If they are inherent and unchangeable, then some of what modern feminists stand for is pointless. That's as far as you can go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 12:37 PM
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And an equal number of young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/15 12:35 PM
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His statistics are false extrapolations from the raw data. Read it and see.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 07:47 PM
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I dont consider having sex once with 20 average women 20 times better than having sex 20 times with one awesome woman, but stats like this do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 07:46 PM
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I trawled it for the female data, its on page 26 onwards of the attached: http://www.acha-ncha.org/docs/ACHA-NCHA-II_ReferenceGroup_DataReport_Fall2010.pdf Basically the results are close to EXACTLY the same for both sexes, completely undermining the red pill interpretation of this. "Studs" fuck "Sluts" in equal proportions. Also OP's analysis is completely wrong. 34% of males havent had sex in the last 12 months and the same for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 07:43 PM
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What does hypergamy have to do with casual hookups between people not in relationships? Thats not branch swinging its just meaningless sex. For all we know its the same in women too. EDIT: checked the study its IDENTICAL for women And it counts a guy fucking twice a day in a committed relationship as a guy barely getting any sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 07:33 PM
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If they are social then feminism is justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/15 07:28 PM
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I'm pretty sure portrait painters dont make their money from making the wives of wealthy businessmen look ugly. You are clutching at straws here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 07:02 PM
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Comparing an abstract expressionist to a old master portrait painter? seriously? The latter made half their livelihood churning out portrait "photos" for the aristocracy. the grand master painted with 100% realism, it still doesn't necessarily imply different beauty standards It absolutely does and there is heaps and heaps of scientific/historical literature on exactly this point. Maybe the 'great beauty' of the 1400s would be a 5/10 today, but what if the average of the 1400s was a 2/10 today? …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 06:23 PM
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When a grand master paints someone reknowned as one of the greates beauties of her age and she looks like a shoe....yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 06:10 PM
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Stewerdess-American I think is the current PC term
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:32 AM
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Just look at some paintings from different eras. The height of beauty in 1400 would be considered a 2/10 now - no chin, huge forehead, beady eyes, scraped hair etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:31 AM
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because they dont really clash. You can have all the best parts of both
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:30 AM
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I think that if you have your shit together you largely make your own happiness. At that point its easy to share it with someone else who also has their shit together. See the "Love" thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/15 08:22 AM
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fitness, fashion, grooming, career, hobbies, friends, fun. If you have obtained 1-7 you will almost inevitably find you have also met someone cute along the way to share it with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 11:16 PM
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Yes, it was guided to try empathising with the opposite viewpoint
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 11:14 PM
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absolute relativism is juvenile. There is "good" by the standards of most reasonable people with our characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 11:13 PM
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Ok what about the huge religious and social pressure (and sometimes legal!) on women not to have abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 11:12 PM
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Fair :P The thing is, most of the examples I'd give of mistreatment you would say was actually in the woman's best interest. Can we at least agree on: "Women are assumed to be less capable than men by default?"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:52 PM
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The question is given in an obvious spirit. If you choose to answer outside of that spirit, you are just being fascetious
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:52 PM
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You are correct that a grapefruit is not an apple. It is just your opinion that what you are pointing at is a grapefruit and not an apple.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:50 PM
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Its not an obsession if its a compelling analysis of red pill. Its always relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:49 PM
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The latter, obviously. Red pill isnt a guide to a better world, its a guide to righting the wrong inflicted on the individual red piller, namely a lack of sex he was entitled to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:48 PM
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If our desires are based on hardwired vestigal evolutionary factors, why has the conception of beauty changed so much over the last 2000 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:48 PM
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1 in 3 women is someone who would make some guy infinitely happy. For a given guy? Maybe 1 in 1000, but you can narrow that down to maybe like 1 in 50 simply by context and to 1 in 10 or so with a single date / extended interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:44 PM
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I dont think thats what OP was getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:43 PM
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Men can't be nurses or air stewards without facing jokes and condescension (admittedly from other men)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:42 PM
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Just be yourself ON YOUR BEST FUCKING DAY is the full advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:41 PM
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You can almost see the spittle dripping from HHL's lip as she sneers the last word
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:41 PM
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Do you think anyone trusts anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:40 PM
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"compatibility" is literally everything though. Its not "just" anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:39 PM
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boom
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 10:38 PM
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The fact that you call good partners unicorns says it all, to be honest. If unicorns make up 1 in 3 horses, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 09:35 PM
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I'm just sad because I'm quite sure ill never get to find that first love again. Amazingly it gets even better than that when you meet someone REALLY good. Trust. I like that you've quite touchingly put what is fundamentally the biggest flaw and failing of TRP, the TRP plate spinning mindset and people who think casual sex is the be-all end-all in general. They dont know because they weren't there, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:58 PM
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Seems to be a semantic difference between us. I'm not so sure. One guy is angry, the other guy isnt. They look the same externally but their experience, what its like to be them, is very different. Demonstrations of Sadness and Fear also hint at impotence. Fear is a reaction to perceived present future impotence. Anger is a reaction to perceived past impotence. I'm not sure Sadness qualifies. Sadness is more driven by regret than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:53 PM
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I think only weak and impotent people feel anger in the first place, whether they supress it or not. Most sociopaths supress their anger behind a calm mask so its interesting to see you say that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:31 PM
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...the other doesnt need to exercise control to hide his anger because he hasn't allowed the event to phase him. Anger is impotence. The two are the same thing. Every instance of anger you can imagine is a reaction to perceived powerlessness. Potent people dont feel anger. Feeling anger but hiding it isn't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:27 PM
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Even the most egalitarian of people doesnt apply such principles to their own personal preferences, nor should they. That isn't what it means. Egalitarian doesnt mean "let the fat kid represent the UK in the 100m sprint" and it doesnt mean "date people I dont find attractive as partners out of fairness".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:26 PM
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Humans evolved to do literally everything that Humans do. That's how evolution works.... Hell, thats how "doing" works in a biological context.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:13 PM
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Some people use "masculine" to mean strategic, logical, and astute perhaps I've never seen this outside of the "manosphere", have you? "Congrats bob, that presentation of the proposed change in our companies' strategic focus based on shifting sectoral dynamics was incredibly masculine."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:12 PM
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What evidence would you accept? Your posting history and bitterness levels that are wholly inconsistent with someone getting laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 07:09 PM
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Its just a semantic question, and depends on context. Its not an interesting political or philosophical debate. Different people mean different things by those terms, and this will cause their answer to vary. To an arch conservative, Gender is a purely biological construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 02:40 PM
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By not dating the kind of women who cheat, and not emotionally neglecting our partners (which is BY FAR the greatest cause of female infidelity) If you did a survey of our grandparents generations's couples, do you genuinely think the "non-cheating, in love forever" ones are more likely to be towards the red pill, rather than blue pill, spectrum reletive to other people their age? Of course not. They will be blue pill through and through. Red pill is practically an instruction to cheat (or branc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 02:38 PM
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Personally I wouldnt marry a woman in a different socioeconomic class because I value the same attributes in a partner that I value in myself, including ambition, career success, drive and assertiveness. I wouldnt care where she came from or what socioeconomic class her parents were though, just who she is now and where she is going.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 02:36 PM
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Gender and race can have both biological and social components. Equality and fairness are entirely social constructs, though not without some biological basis and evolutionary advantages to social groups that adopt them. These are questions of terminology and context, more so than philosophy or politics, so not sure where this thread is hoping to lead. What I mean by Gender will be different from what you mean by it. Its semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 02:32 PM
5

No as in, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. PRoving a negative is impossible. If you are all ultra-alpha plate spinning 10 fuckers, how about you prove it? It should be easy, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 12:24 PM
4

no u?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 09:46 AM
1

There's an internal difference, even if the outward mask looks the same
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/15 09:46 AM
2

Perhaps, but theres a difference between "Stoic because cant express emotions so bottle it up" and "Stoic because genuinely not angry"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 11:33 PM
2

How does one justify the claim that what 90% of TRPers do in the name of TRP, isnt TRP? Surely because they do it, it is TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 11:30 PM
2

This is entirely factually untrue in literally every way. Even a cursory glance at wikipedia could verify this for you, let alone any actual research
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 11:27 PM
2

I think only weak, impotent people suffer uncontrolled anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 11:26 PM
2

TRP is a social toolset/worldview based on changing oneself to adapt to the current society. TRP is not campaigning or anything People always say this and yet all the evidence says otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 10:03 PM
1

I just think its sad that you think the behaviour feminists object to (e.g. rape culture, discrimination etc) is somehow inherent and unchangeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 10:01 PM
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I already did. If you dont take a no at face value, but instead rely on your judgement of whether they "really" mean no, then you are just one slip of judgement away from raping someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:52 PM
1

It does not surprise me that Rush is one of your go-tos.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:50 PM
1

This is the closest thing to a fair critique of third wave feminism in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:49 PM
2

Who made millions? Who even made 100,000? The fact that you insist so vehemently that she is a slut rather undermines your case that she is making it all up about the abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:48 PM
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Its less a problem of anything because its an easily provable lie. She didnt get any publicity from people after sleeping with them. It was comprehensively debunked as a claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:47 PM
2

Mainstream feminism today is the belief that legal equality isn't sufficient to prevent the residue of society's old and long-established misogyny and discrimination from allowing women a level playing field and equality of opportunity. Its the view that social change is also needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:45 PM
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I'm not saying you personally have done so, I'm saying the attitude you are describing as the Red Pill approach to LMR is an incredibly reckless one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:42 PM
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Anger is the emotion of pathetic, impotent, ineffective people. Think back over your life to the people who were genuinely the most angry all the time - pathetic pityworthy wankers, one and all I guarantee it. Effective people dont get angry, they let it go if it isnt important and if it is? They get even.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:40 PM
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When you think about the implications of what you are saying, you seem to believe that men are incapable of not hurting women as its in their nature. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:39 PM
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Rage is impotence. People with properly integrated consciousness, self aware and who are in touch with their own emotions dont get angry often, particularly not irrationally. People who are in control dont get angry. Laid back people are the best. Angry people are tiresome to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:37 PM
4

You've got to remember most RPers are lying about their sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:31 PM
0

You are reading the studies wrong. Women dont prefer their own race, they prefer white men. And its because white men are statistically less conservative / more likely to be egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:29 PM
1

Its almost like its not objectively measurable like that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:25 PM
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Think you are kidding yourself if you dont think that describes the average RPer
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:25 PM
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You would be very, very surprised. I wish I could somehow make some of the literature on rape compulsory reading for every red pill man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:14 PM
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Immigrant indian men typically suffer from the double-whammy of being deeply socially conservative and thus not being attractive to liberal women, while not having any of the qualities that white socially conservative women find attractive (e.g. wealth and status and white skin). OP you say "Asian/Indian immigrants lean left socially", but your link only indicates they vote democrat, which is not the same thing. They tend to be economically left leaning but socially right leaning, however the GO…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:07 PM
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Red pill is actually strongly against what these researchers mean by homogamy. Red pill is all about rich wealthy older dudes marrying smoking hot airhead trophy wives young enough to be their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:05 PM
1

Dont you EVER worry that you might judge a situation wrong and rape someone with this kind of attitude? Or that you may already have done so?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 08:07 PM
2

If the entire MALE world took the RP but no women did, the world would be a complete mess and there would be zero LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/15 09:40 AM
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You are defining "having your head right" as "being in a red pill mindset". Cant you see why I think you have a confirmation bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 09:34 PM
5

When things go well its due to you "getting your alpha back" When things dont go well it due to "not being alpha enough yet". What situation or circumstances would qualify as evidence against this belief?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:40 PM
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No they wouldnt. RP itself freely full admits alphas dont make good LTR partners. Women who understand and believe RP would override their physical attraction to alphas and find a good 20% alpha/ 80% beta hybrid instead. Just look to RPW for evidence of this. Women would also work to keep their N count as low as possible, ruling out casual sex. True alphas would end up either committing rape, suicide, or learning beta traits to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:26 PM
2

A circlejerk is a group of like-minded people that believes their opinions to be true based on the evidence that other people in the circle-jerk have the same opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:24 PM
3

Sounds like some major confirmation bias to me bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:23 PM
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There have been many studies of rapists that show the vast majority believe that their victim consents (aka "wants it"), even when violence is used. Don't you think its somewhat unjustifiably reckless, and extremely arrogant, to assume your assessment of where the line lies is correct? You are basically using the same MO as your average rapist but just assuming you have better gut instinct. Let's say you were in a hypothetical situation where you were about to have sex with someone you really de…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:19 PM
3

"The best person has all good traits" is a truism
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 08:09 PM
1

Not as relevant in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:50 PM
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Dat lack of available casual sex to people who think of themselves as deserving alphas and think a "No" is just "last minute resistance" to be "burst through"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:47 PM
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Aka the definition of a self-affirming circle-jerk
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:41 PM
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Do you genuinely think that an actual rapist thinks about this topic differently from what you are describing? Or are you one of these people, like HHL, that thinks if you dont violently subdue them it shouldnt be a crime even if they are cowering, crying and begging you not to fuck them, while you do it..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:38 PM
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Marriage would cease to exist. Casual sex would practically cease to exist. Any woman who took part it in would be shunned. Rape would skyrocket. Poverty rates, child deaths, abortion rate and suicide rate would leap to unseen heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:37 PM
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I dont get it, you know RP, you've put it into practice before, you've been trying to put it into practice again since you rediscovered it what? A year ago? How come it hasnt worked yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 07:33 PM
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TBP is just "not-TRP" - its not supposed to be a coherent concept or strategy, TRP very much is!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:44 PM
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They literally do, that's how rape works. The fact that some, most or even all of those women acquiesced afterwards doesnt mean you didnt rape them. If they were saying no when you penetrated them then you raped them. It actually boggles my mind that you think this is ethically or legally ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:43 PM
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AWALT is the default nature of the kind of broken women that TRP plate-obtaining mindgames work on. AWALT isnt true of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:37 PM
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When you make those sweeping generalisations based on nothing but your own personal biases and very limited experience are they still legit?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:34 PM
2

So much lols
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:32 PM
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At which point the "alpha" and "beta" labels become meaningless. You might as well just call them a "person"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:31 PM
2

You realise pretty much every rapist genuinely and honestly believes the woman secretly wants it, right? Seems like a very dangerous kind of arrogance to assume you are the final arbiter of sexual desire when someone is actively telling you "no". ...Not to mention illegal in a lot of places.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:27 PM
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Wait, I thought in our discussions you said RP saved your marriage? But you are still dead bedroom? Is it a medical issue for her or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:26 PM
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I pushed past LMRs in a way even RP might find abhorrent; I pushed past straight no's. Because in my instincts, I perceived a "yes" Wow, I mean, we have all suspected it of many of you, but its not common for a RPer to freely admit to rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:23 PM
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You care enough to reply
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:21 PM
4

This isnt exactly a new take on RP, its how all of us blueish purples feel
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 04:21 PM
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I think people can be conditioned to more or less anything. There are people who feel unloved, anxious and unhappy when NOT in an abusive relationship. I think arbitrarily assigning leadership and control based on gender is ludicrous. If you dont think of yourself as inferior, why do you want a relationship in which your decision making may be usurped by your partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 01:49 PM
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The other way around you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 10:25 AM
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A C/FM relationship is damaging because it trains the FM to think of herself as a subordinate, lesser. A supporting act to her husbands main event. For me this is clearly bad a) for her mental health and self-esteem, b) for the quality of decision making of the family as a whole, c) for their children's norms. I do see social conservatism as inherently and objectively bad (and misogynistic, homophobic and racist, retrograde in most measurable fashions) though so YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 10:24 AM
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People don't usually call someone else a narcissist unless they are implying something negative that is harmful to others. Yes they do. "Narcissistic traits" is a commonly used expression to describe personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/15 10:21 AM
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RPers are largely fantastists. I'm not aware of any RP men in an actual classical RP relationship at all. All the RP guys in decent relationships only selectively apply RP teachings (e.g. nomdeplume) and are actually fairly emotionally available, perhaps even more than an average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 02:09 PM
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Narcissism and NPD are different things though. Narcissism is a state of mind, NPD is a pathological disorder characterised by an extreme form of that state of mind. You can be a narcissist without having NPD. I doubt many TRPers have NPD - they would struggle to interrelate coherently. Many TRPers are narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 02:05 PM
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Narcissism and NPD are different things. You can be narcissistic without it qualifying as a mental health issue. You are talking about NPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 02:04 PM
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You need to look at TRP as two classes. The "acolyte" class is the internet misogynists, bitter, anger phase noobs, the guys from traditionally conservative non-anglo cultures etc. This class has read and understood TRP thinking, but hasnt, or failed to, put it into practice successfully. This lot are self-loathing, and while they may try to emulate certain naricssistic behaviours, this aspect of their personality plays second fiddle to direct anger. The "priest" class is the previous-PUA guys, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 02:01 PM
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When your SO is effectively treated as a complement to your personality and accomplishments, rather than a human being with equal value in their own right, then hell yeah you are a narcissist. When your worldview is built around rationalising your own selfishness and self-absorbtion, you are a narcissist. When you dont feel shame, or external ethical compulsion, and you project any such shame onto others while convincing yourself they deserved your unethical behaviour or brought it on themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/15 01:57 PM
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I dont believe you. We have had this conversation before and you claimed a different spread of cities (Tokyo, south africa and somewhere else, if I recall correctly).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:23 PM
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People who think their conservative opinions on things are universal (e.g. All men care deeply about the N count of their partner) must not have much counterevidence to that claim, thus self-evidently must live among people who hold the same opinions (or be fucking idiots who ignore the counterevidence, but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt). I'm not saying so much that they dont live in liberal cities, I'm saying the people they socialise with, live with, spend time with etc are conser…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 08:01 PM
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Its a counterargument, and a observably correct one. The US is vastly more right wing and socially conservative than Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:10 AM
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Yes? I'm not saying "all men are not red pill stereotypes" I'm saying "not all men are red pill stereotypes".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:09 AM
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lol. You are one of those "She wanted it really" guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:07 AM
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Obviously because they have other characteristics (e.g. very good looking) that SOME women are willing to give more positive score to than the negative score them being creepy gives. They are attractive DESPITE the creepyness. Try seeing the world as more complex than black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 11:06 AM
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That's not the way the study worked. They werent asking "why did you cheat", it was before they had even established whether they had cheated, it was "how do you feel about your current relationship?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/15 10:57 AM
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I doubt women would be claiming to be unsatisfied if they were in fact satisfied... that seems somewhat perverse. I'm sure many lied about cheating though, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 06:50 PM
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I editted to include your comment for clarity, not to try to "win". I'm incorporating your true statement because it doesnt change the general thrust of what I was saying - TRP and BP people live in very difference social contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 06:37 PM
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Rape is a very different crime with a very different profile to theft and murder. Most rapists do not believe themselves to be rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 05:58 PM
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Asian and Indian? So... very traditionally conservative? Don't see how that really changes my analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 05:56 PM
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Source? Everyone I've engaged with is a small town office worker or a conservative asian dude
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 05:52 PM
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For the vast majority of rapists, they wouldnt be rapists if it werent for a sequence of very many individual events on a slippery slope of more predatory behaviour. Intercepting them early enough on that slope could literally just involve having one of their friends tell them its not cool when they hit on the wasted girls at a party, aged 17. You'd be amazed how these things snowball, how much of an echochamber hanging out with shitty people is, and how much your behaviour can change based on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 05:51 PM
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Obviously I'm simplying from statistical trends. Replace "will not" with "will be less likely to"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 04:17 PM
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You are a tiresome little man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 04:16 PM
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This is just bullshit though. No behavioural psychologist would agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 03:44 PM
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My favourite is "REDPILL IS AMORAL AND FEMINISTS ARE STUPID CUNTS THAT MAKE ME SO ANGRY"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 03:43 PM
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I feel sad that you, and the people in your contextual horison, are so shitty. Most people I know are pretty decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 03:42 PM
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I'm whatever you want me to be, baby. I was asking if you knew of a standardised test for sociopathy (and could link me to it) that I could turn into a google forms questionairre.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 03:40 PM
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The studies ask women how various aspects of their current relationship rate, then ask them if they have cheated. Women who are not emotionally unsatisfied in their relationship correlate with those who cheat. There is no correlation between a Man's view of his relationship and whether he cheats.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 03:17 PM
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This would make a good Google Forms questionairre. Are you aware of any standardised tests like the one I used for empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 02:24 PM
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I'd need real hard evidence of how and why they have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 01:53 PM
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It really isnt. Its saying a woman with a 7/10 is less likely to cheat even with a 8, 9 or 10/10 than a woman with a 4/10 is likely to cheat with other 4/10s, 3/10s, 5/10s etc. Basically its showing that hyperagamy only applies until you are dating an above average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 12:00 PM
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Men are just as hyperagamous, the only difference is what criteria constitute "hyper" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 11:59 AM
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How about you read the study. Essentially, if 5.5/10 is an average looking man a woman with a 6 or a 7 wont cheat, even with a 9 or a 10, while a woman with a 4 will cheat, even with a 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 11:58 AM
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No. Read the study. Its like this: Women, when paired with an below average attractiveness male, will be tempted to cheat with any man (even one less attractive than her pair). And women, when paired with an attractive male, will not be tempted to cheat with any man (even one more attractive than her pair).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 11:57 AM
1

Same. I prefer non-processed foods slightly and this seems to help too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 11:51 AM
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Women who don't cheat, don't cheat because they already have the best. Usually when women do cheat, it's because they found a better male, or a male that makes them feel things they value someplace else (a guy who's more alpha, charming, the guy at work that makes her feel like a 20'something hottie again, etc). Men tend to "cheat" by simply not defining the relationship and doing whatever they want because they can, so you have situations where, let's say a 10/10 guy is hooking up with an 8.5/1…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 11:44 AM
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I've seen those studies, which also showed that the single strongest correlation with female infidelity is whether their partner is meeting their emotional needs. With men? Whether or not their sexual needs are being met at home, the excitement of a new vagina is enough to mean they cheat regardless. The majority of cheating husbands report that their relationship is happy and they are content with it. They cheat ANYWAY.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 11:43 AM
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This is like that old passive aggressive fake-responsibility-taking statement "It's my fault for assuming you had it handled"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 11:41 AM
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I've done this several times, including in the post you are responding to: Creepyness simply means "inappropriately crosses boundaries".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 10:59 AM
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It absolutely isnt, but I imagine what you are thinking of as merits and what I'm thinking of as merits may be slightly different. Personal connections are merits.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 10:59 AM
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You are being fasceitous
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 10:58 AM
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Two reasons: Almost all red pillers are conservative, very few exceptions. Almost all red pillers express statements like "guys cant have female friends they dont want to sleep with", "women arent capable of real friendship", "all men care about the number of prior partners their girl has had" etc. These statements don't even appear superficially true in the majority of people, EXCEPT IN CONSERVATIVE POPULATIONS. Either red pill guys are falsely representing their experience, or else they are fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 10:56 AM
2

You are some kind of winner!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 10:45 AM
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Its a massive bodge job to be honest, google forms does the tricky part of the legwork automatically, but cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 10:05 AM
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this deserves more upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:53 AM
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No, but its at a non-zero point on the scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:52 AM
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I bet theres like a 15 character way to do what I did with the bullshit above :P
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:51 AM
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Would you rather live in a world where rape is rare because: (i) women carry bear spray, travel in packs, dont drink and dont go out late at night; or (ii) everyone is better educated about rape so predatory people who are the kind that will eventually cross the line and rape someone (rape is NEVER an isolated event) get identified and called out or even arrested much earlier (or change their ways long before they slip down the slope to rape)? For me thats an obvious and easy question and I bele…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:49 AM
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Studies have shown that its almost CERTAIN that the guys who DID rape her had done lots of other sketchy, grey area things in the months/years prior to and after the rape. People dont just do 1 rape then go back to being reasonable, consent-seeking adults. By teaching people to take a strong stance on the grey area issues, these guys might have been confronted (or arrested, if they were going that far) before they got to the point of raping someone. If nothing else, far too many people are willi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:45 AM
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Good post. I'm not sure "the way that the message is conveyed" is the true issue though - look at the people who take affront at it - its the same people who want less strict rape laws, use the word "sluts" constantly, etc. They want to reject the concepts underlying the message, so how its put wont really matter
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:42 AM
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Its because we tend to come from different backgrounds. Red pillers skew conservative, southern/rural/smalltown USA OR from conservative cultures outside the US (e.g. indian) Blue pillers skew liberal cities, US but also Europe. We figuratively do live on different planets.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:39 AM
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Your "Reality" answer is actually true only for a subset that AT MOST is around half of all people. The whole point of blue pill is it focuses on BOTH a moral position (it is wrong to lie, abuse, use, manipulate, exploit), AND finding a solution that is consistent with the moral position. Even if that means we rule out the 50% of people for whom Red pill "reality" applies, thats FINE, because we literally dont want to be with those kinds of people anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/15 09:38 AM
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Its not a competition for a high score. Someone in the 90+ range would be hysterical half the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:23 PM
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Wanting to mimic sociopathy is itself an objectively sociopathic trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:22 PM
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This has worked out suprisingly well with a large number of responses. IF anyone has any other survey ideas I'd be happy to set up the necessary forms/sheets to output the data however desired, it was fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:18 PM
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Managed to get it to work: =SUM(INDIRECT(CONCAT(ʺ'Raw responses'!Jʺ,Row()-9))+INDIRECT(CONCAT(ʺ'Raw responses'!Nʺ,Row()-9))+(6-INDIRECT(CONCAT(ʺ'Raw responses'!Qʺ,Row()-9)))+(6-INDIRECT(CONCAT(ʺ'Raw responses'!Wʺ,Row()-9)))+INDIRECT(CONCAT(ʺ'Raw responses'!Uʺ,Row()-9))+INDIRECT(CONCAT(ʺ'Raw responses'!ABʺ,Row()-9))+INDIRECT(CONCAT(ʺ'Raw responses'!AEʺ,Row()-9))-7)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 07:14 PM
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You are "winning" so far :P
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 06:23 PM
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Ah I see what you mean. The results match. Possibly, but lots of people are both or neither systemizers and empathizers, so doesnt quite track.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:54 PM
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Sorry? I linked to the results of the original study which used the 28 questions in my own questionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:44 PM
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Now, was he creepy? Women with boyfriends (or who don't find him attractive - they probably exist somewhere) say yes, women who find him attractive and men say no. Who is right? No. Her reaction doesnt indicate he was being creepy, it indicates the girl thought he was hitting on her and it was unwanted. This isnt the same thing and this conflation is your basic error.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:41 PM
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For anyone interested, the average results for BP and RP sit satisfyingly, either side of the original "general" results for the population at large: http://www.anemonecerridwen.net/iridescr.php
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:38 PM
2

PHD subject right there :P
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:24 PM
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Thanks for the link, it will be interesting to see how consistant it is. Even though its been done before, getting automated red/blue pill averages is kinda interesting too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:01 PM
1

Lots of married men are creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 05:00 PM
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Not easily, google sheets is a bit dumb. I found a way to do it using =INDIRECT("[cross reference as a string]"), but that would require me to manually rewrite every single score field to get it set up which I'm not willing to do :P I'll just manually update every so often instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 04:57 PM
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Observation of how YOUR life works. Ever think if you are the constant in all of these situations then an equally plausible explanation is that you are creepy and just dont pick up on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 04:55 PM
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The biggest player you know MAY WELL BE a grade A creeper. I never said being a creeper will completely preclude you from getting laid. If you are attractive enough it obviously wont, any more than being a total bitch stops 10/10 women getting laid. But they get laid DESPITE that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 04:54 PM
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I dont follow? Anyone who doesnt end a relationship that isnt working for them or fixable is a doormat or an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 04:52 PM
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No its all automated by google.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 04:16 PM
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see edit, have manually updated but would like an automatic solution if you know of one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:54 PM
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Also making the female average look cold!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:54 PM
1

Evidence for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:46 PM
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There actually aren't "right" answers, but you have a point that any self-reporting survey will be biased towards how a person wishes to be perceived.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:36 PM
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There's an irritating issue - whenever new Google Forms responses are outputted in to the "raw responses" tab, they are added through inserting new rows. Because of this, my cross references on the "Results" tab intended to pick up new responses have their reference increased by one (for example, if the next blank row on the raw responses page is row G, when a new response is inserted into row G, all cross references to row G become cross references to row H). In practice this means no "raw resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 03:34 PM
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now fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 02:13 PM
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fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 02:13 PM
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The US itself is a bubble. Europe is vastly different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 02:13 PM
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Will fix shortly, no need to redo
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 02:07 PM
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There's only 28, it takes less than 5 mins
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 02:04 PM
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Let me know if it doesnt work / you spot problems
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 02:01 PM
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He'll tell you. Othersise, reputation and behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 02:00 PM
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You demonstrated that those behaviours are driven by insecurity and jealousy, not that they are instinctive. Not something anyone BP would disagree with. I couldnt agree with you more regarding rationalisations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 01:54 PM
2

You can be a breadwinner in a trad-con relationship. In today's economy, sometimes you have no choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 01:44 PM
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I'd be mildly upset that they lied, and want to get to the bottom of why (with them, through conversation). I wouldnt give a shit about the N count itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 01:39 PM
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Right back at you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 01:38 PM
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Not mine
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 01:37 PM
0

case in point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 01:36 PM
3

Remember most TRP guys live in ultra-conservative communities where this may be less the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:36 AM
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I've never asked any partner what their N count is and don't use the word "slut" or consider it a helpful or indicative to sub-categorise people by their promiscuity, so no, no surprises.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:34 AM
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I thought that was a troll. The reasoning was pure beta insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:30 AM
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Creepyness is deeply misunderstood by TRP generally (although perhaps not you, taken from this comment?) For most TRPers "creepy" is just another way of saying "unattractive but still trying to engage with a girl". They dont get it as an independant concept (and in fact, its this lack of undertstanding that contributes to their own creepyness). Your reference to autism is spot on. Autism and creepyness go hand in hand, and here's why: Creepyness simply means "inappropriately crosses boundaries".…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:28 AM
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Once I realised RPW was just "trad-con wives club" it all made a lot more sense to me. The only "red pill" thing about RPW is a belief in traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:22 AM
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Nothing, if TRP wants TRP to be an echochamber/circlejerk
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:21 AM
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No, just that there are plenty of validation seeking losers on the internet. It doesnt teach you anything general about the nature of BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:20 AM
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Which ones? Who is upset? The only reaction I've seen is humour
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:19 AM
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Which BPers feel censored?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:19 AM
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BP man here (not /r/TBP though) - I agree that the RP mods should TBPers, to a point, if they are being disruptive or drowning out the TRP replies, but if taken too far it leads to an echochamber that circlejerks into extremist positions. Of course if thats what they want, then they are fully entitled to do so!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:16 AM
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Outside of the most conservative circles in the US, that is correct. It barely even comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:15 AM
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If I understand the TRP argument correctly, N count is not a negative characteristic itself, it is used as an indicator for other characteristics. Unless I understand TRP wrong the issue you all claim to have with high N counts is that it implies unfaithfulness, venality or flightyness, not that there is some inherent "damage" in having lots of varied sex. ...I have always suspected this claim was a fig leaf for general puritantical/misogynistic disapproval of female sexual enjoyment ala FGM tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:14 AM
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People placing importance on something as an indicator of relationship prospects, and that somethign being a GOOD indicator of relationship prospects, are very different things. However, I dont think lying in a serious relationship is ok, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:11 AM
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I agree. I wouldnt date someone with a history of repeated or egregious cheating and would definitely want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:10 AM
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I agree. Not sure where his BP strawman comes from
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:09 AM
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Guys who are 1) are a HELL of a lot more common than TRPers typically realise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:08 AM
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I dont believe in lying in a relationship. I dont give a shit what my partners N count is, as long as it isnt too low for them to have a rounded experience of how relationships work. If they have mentioned past relationships then I dont enquire further. I've also never been asked (as a man) I've never heard BPs saying "women are justified in lying about their count". I've heard "we can understand why some woman lie about their count given how much prejudice there is".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:05 AM
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This OP hints at another thing TRP gets wrong about alphas. True alphas are not dicks to betas or women. Being a dick to betas or women is a beta thing to do. Its saying "I'm not secure in my alpha status so I need to attempt to lower your status to shore up my own". Anyone actually genuinely confident in their own position doesnt need to put down others, in the same way that a true leader doesnt need to constantly re-assert dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:04 AM
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Exactly, Elliott rodgers wasnt unattractive. With some lifting, better clothes and hair he could have made a solid 7.5-8/10. He has a similar aesthetic to many PUAs. He embraced the TRP mindset, was an arrogant prick, and was creepy as fuck though, which is why women hated him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 11:02 AM
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I'm friends with all my exs, so I can ask them if you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:49 AM
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This is just wrong. Regardless of status, certain behaviour is creepy. Status only impacts how the woman reacts to that creepyness. If they are sufficiently high status SOME women are willing to overlook the creepyness. Creepyness is about inappropriately disrespecting personal boundaries and social cues to back off. Its objective and does not depend on the person doing it or their intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:46 AM
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You probably ARE creepy. You probably do not understand or respect appropriate boundaries with people you dont know. I dont see how your personal belief that you are unfairly described as creepy is evidence of the same. All creepers think their behaviour is not creepy. Creepy isnt (just) about sex/PUA, its fundamentally about boundaries and reading social cues to back off. The creepiest motherfuckers around are people with autism because as a function of their condition they dont understand appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:44 AM
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No, I'm doing the opposite - I'm assuming that both the black and the white guy will be roughly equal "quality" as they have achieved the same mertiocratic system, thus if the white guy has advantages (e.g. contacts) the black guy must also have some (charm). I work in exactly the kind of environment OP is describing, I see this every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:38 AM
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It never ceases to amuse me how much the word "creepy" gets red pillers backs up. Defensive much?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:33 AM
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A good post. Fundamentally, while it may be hubris on my part to suggest my (and my partners') personal qualities (including, obviously, the ability to identify long term compatibility) will lead to our marriage succeeding, it may also be rationalisation (of the faltering of your marriage) on yours to suggest that personal qualities are not enough. It would be interesting to see some widespread studies of why some marriages succeed and others fail (causation, not just correlation). Out of intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:31 AM
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They stopped pursuing women because women wouldnt sleep with them. Women wouldnt sleep with them because they were unpleasant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/15 09:20 AM
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It may be true that you are more likely to be called out as creepy publicly if you are unattractive, but the behaviour is objectively creepy regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 12:46 PM
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I've had a decent number of serious relationships, I've never been dumped, I've had sex with numerous women who are objectively very attractive, and I'm getting married to someone who has very high SMV/RMV. I'm attracted to all attractive people of either gender in a general sense. I don't "crush" on any of my friends and I wouldnt sleep with any of them even if I was single. I would put money that I know women better than you because I have a functioning ability to empathise and I'm not despera…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 12:43 PM
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Many PUA techniques are creepy. The fact that they are sometimes welcomed doesnt make them less creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 12:40 PM
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No, I'm successful with women. People walk on eggshells about all people with low self-esteem of either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 11:37 AM
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First of creepy is usually just another word for unattractive. No it isn't, and the only people who claim this are unrepentant creepy people. Creepy means "does not respect personal boundaries in a way that is unpleasant or threatening". Secondly, women class unattractive men as creepy the moment they have any romantic intent, so I tend to ignore it. They really dont. If this is your personal experience its probably because you are in fact actually creepy. As for bitter, the bitter ones are usua…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 11:36 AM
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You think TRP attracts the "direct opposite" of "misogynistic, bitter" men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 10:44 AM
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Women do feel sorry for men. I hear my female friends express sympathy for short guys etc who cant do anything to improve the issue. Fat guys? No of course not. That's a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 10:44 AM
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Again, very meritocratic. Pretty much any "elite" job is functionally meritocratic
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 10:41 AM
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TRP claims to be amoral, but I cant see how it is functionally anything but immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 10:40 AM
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Everyone who posts to TRP maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 10:39 AM
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No they are calling them shitty BECAUSE THEY ARE OBJECTIVELY SHITTY
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:58 AM
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Life and marirage plays out just fine for ~50% of people. Personally I think I'm top 1%, let alone 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:57 AM
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I would say TRP was actively immoral rather than amoral, because to follow TRP advice in many circumstances requires you to act unethically. Amoral implies following the advice doesnt have a moral consequence, but it often (even usually) does.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:55 AM
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The standard of evidence is "beyond a reasonable doubt" pretty much everywhere. Its very hard to reach this level of evidence circumstantially or based on her testamony alone. The description you gave would not secure a rape conviction, even if the woman lied and said she remembered being violently raped
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:54 AM
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But I'm aware of the fallacies I make. Another fallacy I even mentioned three individuals that proved it was wrong. Another fallacy. Generalizations are for convenience, not accuracy. Another fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:53 AM
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Getting hung up on the label is so 1990s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:52 AM
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I have to have ridiculous attention to detail, spelling and grammar in my job, I cant be fucked when it comes to the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:51 AM
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In several states? yes. And who cares about legality if the risk of being arrested is non-existant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:49 AM
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Women dont hate low status men in general. They dislike the category of low status men who are bitter, misogynistic, vitreolic and creepy. That isnt all or even most low status men, but it does capture the kind of low status men to whom TRP appeals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:48 AM
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But your analogy is wrong. The white guy in your example isnt shamed. The black guy isnt lionised. In reality no-one gives a shit about their upbringing or background, just about their work product.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:47 AM
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I dont think you get how highly competative jobs like finance work. No-one GIVES A SHIT about your life-story. What matters is you last 12 months of performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:46 AM
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Female privilege, the ability to get sex, isnt worth shit. What kind of privilege is that? Its a privelage any man with $100 also has.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:45 AM
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So you're saying that one has to work much harder than the other to get where they are now, but once they're on an even playing field it all depends on their work right? Well which one has been challenged? Which one has actually had more experience fighting through difficulty? Gun to your head, which one would you trust to work hard? Don't give me any of this "we don't know all the details" BS. Just tell me which one you would trust more to work hard, the one who was born with a silver spoon in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:44 AM
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I work in finance. People are judged by who they are now, where they came from isnt seen as particularly relevant. People try and avoid the "I CAME FROM NOTHING" chest beating - it's seen as crass. Finance is a strong meritocracy, probably among the strongest of all professions that aren't competative sports/athletics. The white guy will probably have better contacts, so the Black guy will need to be that much better to make up for that. The Black guy may have more charm (to get where he got to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/15 09:41 AM
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bet you couldnt
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 04:01 PM
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OH OH a strapon named the patriarchy. Love this image, well done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 03:49 PM
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A statement that is held out as true except for statistically insignificant exceptions might as well be an absolute for the purposes of my earlier comment. I believe men generally have the same emotional and commitment needs as women, taken as a population as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 03:47 PM
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Reasonable, impassioned, intellectual, rational, and most of all interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 03:45 PM
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Why would any woman, let alone a "good" woman, want the kind of damaged, bitter, low SMV, low RMV, angry, unpleasant guy who would take part in the "Sexodus"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 03:14 PM
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Half of TRPs actual opinions sound like hyperbole at first glance...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 03:12 PM
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I read /r/relationships. A bluer pill, more sex-positive subreddit does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 03:08 PM
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source that most of reddit think women without a low N count are "disgusting"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:57 PM
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Thought you'd like that :P
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:52 PM
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Which is probably less than that of someone promiscuous tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:51 PM
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I dont see it in any of the circles or web communities I move in. Maybe right wing circles, but fuck those dinosaurs
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:50 PM
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What possible evidence could there be?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:49 PM
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Learn to read. She chose to LIVE and IDENTIFY as a lesbian, though she may well biologically be bisexual
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:01 PM
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She chose to LIVE as a lesbian, she has ALWAYS been bisexual
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 02:00 PM
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Why is this, in TRP's view? Lesbians take women out of the dating pool, gay men take men. It should be the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:59 PM
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Learn to read. She chose to LIVE as a lesbian, she has ALWAYS been bisexual
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:58 PM
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If you are in your 20s and a involuntary virgin, thats 100% your own fault and responsibility. Blaming people of the opposite sex is ludicrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:57 PM
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Everyone is on a spectrum of sexuality. Anyone not at the very extremes of the hetero or homo-sexual end of this spectrum has a choice of partners of either sex. You can choose to live as a lesbian, while being bisexual, which is what the OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:56 PM
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A common TRP belief is that slut-shaming is mostly done by women. Men only do it because they know it's a good way to get under a woman's skin, kinda like the male version of "you must have a small dick". I tend to think this is true in my experience, but I dunno. The only people who even use the word "slut" outside of TV shows in my experience are TRPesque men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:55 PM
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I think you are conflating being a male homosexual with being a female, when the experiences are vastly different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:53 PM
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I bet this guy advocates multiple sexual partners for men despite this ridiculous derision
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 01:52 PM
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I think they kinda accept this. They dont claim to be fair - they are telling shitty men how to optimise their outcomes, not how to become less shitty. If the approach suggested is inherently hypocritical, TRP doesnt care because the hypocracy only disadvantages women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:32 PM
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The majority of people dont identify as bisexual BECAUSE of the lingering stigma attached to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:30 PM
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Anyone who wants to sleep with and spend time with someone who they despise/look down upon has something fundamentally wrong with them, mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:22 PM
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Again, I think this is a result of who you hang out with more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:21 PM
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I dont know who you hang out with but it sounds like they suck
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:21 PM
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We deliberately seek it out, in the same way I read Climate Change denial blogs, Young-earth creationists and other wingnuts. Its amazing to me and creates a strong emotional reaction (not offence, more abject amazement) in me that these people exist... and I kinda enjoy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:20 PM
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I would kill HHL for the good of humanity but give her a respectful burial. Some people seem to be picking Aerobus for his extremeness, but he isnt intelligent enough to persuade anyone so I'm less worried about him. HHL on the other hand? I would marry MistressNatalie I would fuck whichever one of the blue pill poly girls seemed most into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:17 PM
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I've never come across these racial issues, and certainly not for the reasons you note. Its funny that people think pandering to their insecurities is a better solution than overcoming them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:15 PM
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This has got to be a troll
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:13 PM
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I see sorry :P
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 12:13 PM
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Ok so what's your point? Its obvious to anyone involved in legal matters that the red pill bogeyman of a regretful but consenting sexual encounter leading to unfair rape conviction because the woman doesnt want to be called a slut BASICALLY DOESNT EXIST. The standard of evidence is vastly too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:47 AM
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"Human Biodynamics" then :P
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:45 AM
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I think, based on your personal conception of what it means to think like a woman, you are probably right. And I take it as a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:39 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:37 AM
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All the statements like "all men want to pump and dump 10/10s", "men don't want committment", "all men are multigynous" etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:34 AM
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I can look to my parents, or hers, to see an example of how that works. Both are egalitarian, shared leadership partnerships. Both are incredibly happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:32 AM
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Yes my 3 word posting displays extreme upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:32 AM
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He says, making a fallacy of generalisation from personal experience
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/15 09:30 AM
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Since all people desire empathy, if your comments hold then all people are attention seeking. Either your view is false, or else its true in which case "attention seeking" is meaningless as a criticism and your previous comment is unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:40 PM
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TRP is not described as a Narcissists Charter for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:38 PM
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Yay lets argue semantics some more
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:38 PM
5

Classic confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:37 PM
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I love that you are offended that actual asian people have different views to you on the operation of asian families when you are a white male who has lived in SE asia for a couple of years. Get the fuck over yourself son.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:37 PM
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Basically if it agrees with their worldview it is truth, and if it doesnt its either lies, misunderstanding, feminist conspiracty or a statistical outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:34 PM
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Um, biotruth is something HHL talks about from time to time and is a proponent of. If you read PPD properly you would know that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:34 PM
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I like how you are telling him how his family operated
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:33 PM
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Thats about as apt as saying men cant debate so they intimidate
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:32 PM
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This, but also the hilarious fact that TRP want these kinds of relationships, only with the genders reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:32 PM
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This is also my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:31 PM
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If the women are earning more money and spending it on child care, GDP goes up, but does the society really improve? Thats an easy one! YES
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:30 PM
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I believe you are a bitter foreveralone with a great deal of unprocessed anger that you vent into disingenuous trolling, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:28 PM
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A desire for empathy is near universal among all but the most antisocial/disaffected
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:27 PM
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You have agreed with the sentiment that life was better in the 1960s, although we now live in a vastly more libertarian world. How do you reconcile that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 04:24 PM
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Now you are being facetious. Even the use of the word "slut" is heavily laden with disapproval.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 02:02 PM
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Many a true word is spoken in jest
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 02:01 PM
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I've read this here and in lots of other places but my experience has been slightly different. In my view there is some nuance: An emotionally upset woman (or man) doesnt want you DISMISSING her feelings when you deliver a solution, e.g. "that's actually not a massive problem, stop worring about it, you can just X, Y and Z". That is invalidating how they are feeling. If they were feeling inadequate/insecure before, you've just doubled down on that emotion - now they also feel like they are being…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 12:50 PM
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Conflating a desire for empathy with a desire for attention/sympathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 12:46 PM
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I abhor game playing of all kinds and other immature "tit for tat" behaviour so I think its pathetic. I also think its sad that some men don't want emotional intimacy or are willing to discard it for sexual leverage. Emotional intimacy is FUCKING AWESOME. If you arent turning your wife/gf on, that's almost certainly because you suck at seducing her. Stop getting mad, and stop sucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 12:42 PM
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Publically? Absolutely. Being publicly outed as having an affair meant EXCOMMUNICATION. You asked if it was stigmatised, not if it happened in secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 11:34 AM
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The problem with Red pill is less the belief that AWALT and more the belief that all men are like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 11:00 AM
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together 5 years, married this year.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:59 AM
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What you are saying is that red pill advice for women should be to avoid any men who have taken the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:57 AM
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Actually it really, strongly was, especially among the upper classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:53 AM
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Yes, I get this. Its why you think of good women as unicorns - because finding a good woman who wants the kind of relationship you want, with a man who acts like RP men act, IS incredibly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:50 AM
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Explain please - I'd have thought what I just said was uncontroversial
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:49 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2qkxtk/what_are_your_views_on_this/cn75xt2?context=3 My view is "stop getting drunk, you stupid whores" Who on earth could scry from such an ambiguous expression what your opinion might be?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:47 AM
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My view is "stop getting drunk, you stupid whores" https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2qkxtk/what_are_your_views_on_this/cn75xt2?context=3 I'll accept your apology provided it is delivered with good grace
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:47 AM
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...whereas redpill?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:46 AM
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Do any of you believe men always magically valued and adored sluts, wanted to marry them and make babies with them and everyone approved of sluts and thought they were awesome until RP started saying maybe sluts arent so great?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:15 AM
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Please do report me, I'm sure the mods will listen to you, one of the worst trolls on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:10 AM
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Didn't you say in the other thread that women shouldn't be allowed to get drunk? Or were you saying that they should, but we should judge them for it / not prosecute the people who rape them? I find it hard to pick out the threads of common theoretical underpinning of your many strong opinions - could you enlighten me? Perhaps I've just been lucky with the company I keep but I thought libertarians tended to abhor being judgemental
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/15 10:09 AM
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No, the opposite. You have never been a woman so how can your experience of sex improve her performance?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:58 PM
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Alimony is barely ever awarded when there are no kids and the marriage is only a few years old, and is now typically cut off after a short period of time in which the receiving partner is expected to become self-sufficient. If your wife wasnt dependant on you in the first place, she wouldnt be entitled to alimony. If you marry beneath you rather than an equal, you've got noone to blame but yourself. My wife earns a high salary (as do I) and there is no fucking way I want to be married to a SAHM,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:53 PM
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Experience isn't a number, its qualitative. Variety is one of the most important elements, and a lot of the benefits of experience are taught by the other partner. You arent going to learn anything new after the first few times, fucking the same person 100 times. Someone who has sex 100 times with one single person is going to have the same amount of experience as someone who has sex one time each with 100 different people. This is simply false. In any case, performance is largely function of en…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:46 PM
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What a surprise that you have (at least) one failed marriage under your belt already.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:45 PM
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I'm sure your experience of sucking cock will be of great use to your partners blow jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:43 PM
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There was a thread on here about a week ago asking people what their ideal SO would have as a number of previous partners. BPers almost without exception went for the only option with multiple past sexual LTRs (as opposed to one previous LTR, no previous LTRs, previous LTR but still a virgin, previous STRs etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:21 PM
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Your "ctrl f" comments are pathetically semantic. There are an infinite number of synonyms I just picked one. You are of course right that the word "bad" is not inherently moral, but I didnt say that. I said the statement "X is bad", without any further context, IS a moral statement. And that is correct. HHL is angry at sluts. If not moral outrage or misogyny, then why? She doesnt have a dog in the fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:14 PM
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You are advancing a double standard in a context where the red pill "justification" for a double standard doesnt apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:12 PM
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If there is no free will, why do you get angry at the behaviour of others?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:03 PM
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This opinion puts you in stark contrast with the body of red pill opinion, which thinks plate spinning IS the male preference, and not just preference but BIOLOGICALLY HARDWIRED. See, for example, the Multigyny post today in PPD. You are one of a few people on here who are really more conservative than red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 04:02 PM
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i.e. plate spinning would quickly lead to you being a social pariah. Its a shame that changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 03:25 PM
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In what sense is "harem" the appropriate description of that situation, as opposed to FWBs or just plain being single? What you are describing is incredibly common and doesnt in any way relate to the origins of the term, which was very much about exclusivity (the harem was literally the area of the palace where only women, eunuchs and the Shah could go - i.e. just 1 dick).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:48 PM
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Its not a harem unless they are monogamous to you and aware of each other. You are just describing being single and sleeping around with a few semi-regular FWBs, which I agree is really not that hard and is extremely common. Your FWBs were probably sleeping with other guys too. A harem is impressive because it is unequal. The man is not monogamous but the women are, and they nevertheless accept it. In essence, they are saying that a small share of his SMV is worth all of their SMV. That's why it…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:27 PM
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How? All I have to go by is the evidence of my own exerperience and that of all the people around me. I dont know many divorced people, in not just my generation but any of those above me. If divorce was evenly statistically distributed among the "promiscuous" population, by now around 30% of the married couples I know should be divorced...instead of around 2%.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:24 PM
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No, I'm sorry - if you genuinely dont believe in any generally applicable moral normative force (not necessarily objective, it could be cultural), i.e. "ought" or "should" statements dont carry any weight, then it is entirely contradictory to cast what is inherently a moral judgement on promiscuous women. HHL is a woman. She isnt saying "I have nothing against promiscuous women, I just wouldnt marry one". She is saying "Promiscuous women are bad", but "bad" is meaningless unless there are collec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:23 PM
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My advice for someone in a shitty marriage is to stop being shitty themselves and if that fails, end the marriage. I don't believe its possible for a marriage between two non-shitty people to be shitty. Two incompatible non-shitty people wouldnt have gotten married in the first place. Being a worthwhile partner includes caring about your SO's needs and talking about and resolving any issues you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:16 PM
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Why do developed countries which have the least "gendered" societies, like Sweden or Denmark, consistently top the list of countries which are best to live in then? We have slutty career women on their fifth husbands right here in America. Cheating workaholic men on their fifth wives are exactly the same. Its not a gendered issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:14 PM
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The so what? is that hating on promiscuous women for being poor LTR material while pursuing promiscuity yourself makes you a hypocrite as the same justification applies to both
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 02:13 PM
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What does that have to do with gender roles being a social construct?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:24 PM
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This guy is a total fantasist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:22 PM
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You were never blue pill. You are talking about your pre-pill days.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:22 PM
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I think he is guessing that red pill people will tend to be less emotionally intimate and more selfish than blue pill. I think its a safe bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:21 PM
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I have 6 people in my life (not counting parents) whose happiness is essential to my own, and I would sacrifice my own welfare and happiness for theirs. I am certain all 6 feel the same way about/towards me, and in fact, the reciprocity of the relationship is what makes it so strong and prevents my willingness to put their needs ahead of my own from disadvantaging me in practice. I am blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:19 PM
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A lot of people in this thread are confusing a correlative statistical aversion (e.g. "more likely to get divorced or have isssues") with an INTRINSIC lack of value. I've not seen any good arguments for the latter but a lot of TRPers act as if it is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:17 PM
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Are you genuinely trying to claim that in sex and relationships, unlike LITERALLY EVERY OTHER SPHERE OF HUMAN ENDEAVOUR, experience isn't essentially correlated with performance
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:03 PM
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No, you are saying the majority on TRP, as represented by all the RP replies in this thread, are actually "Angry BP nice guys"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:02 PM
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Have you completely ignored all of the RP responses to this thread decrying sluts as subhuman?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:01 PM
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It strongly implies its a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 01:00 PM
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The statistics for men are just as skewed. Players arent "worth the risk". They have very low RMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:59 PM
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Wrong. BP Version: Women with sexual and romantic experience are BETTER LTR prospects for an egalitarian relationship that women without any experience. The correlation between prior partners and divorces disappears when you control for the other factors BPers look for in a relationship (i.e. communication, emotional stability, equality) I genuinely believe this and have had plenty of personal experience to back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:58 PM
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No. I dont think less promiscuous women are better than more promiscuous women. I would never marry a woman who hadnt had at least a couple of other serious sexual/romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:57 PM
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None of this demonstrates that "men dont like sluts". Thats not the logical conclusions of "women with greater prior sexual experience are more likely to get divorced". There are many far more plausible explanations. If men didnt like promiscuous they would actually be less likely to divorce because men wouldnt marry them in the first place except for truly exceptional situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:56 PM
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Same went for men, historically, too. "Bounder" and "Cad" were not compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:54 PM
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THE SAME STATISTICS SHOW THE NUMBER OF MEN'S PREVIOUS PARTNERS IS CORRELATED WITH DIVORCE PROBABILITY TOO. Male sluts are more likely to divorce. As ever though, both these stats confuse correlation and causation. People dont divorce "because" they have more sexual experience. They divorce for the same reasons that someone with less sexual experience divorces, but perhaps are less likely to be influenced by strong religious prohibitions on divorce or fear that they wont be able to find another p…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:41 PM
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"Red pill is not a moral position" "I dont believe in "ought" or "should" statements" "Fuck those horrible fucking sluts" Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:35 PM
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Anywhere or any time in history with arranged marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:33 PM
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I would never have allowed my relationship to get to the point where I had no sex for a year let alone 10, and nor would my SO. We both agree sex is really important and something that sometimes requires work from one or both of us. If we magically changed that attitude we have the kind of relationship where we can calmly discuss our problems or fears without recrimination, tantrums or self-destructive behaviour. Both of us are rational, reasonable and communicative and committed to fixing, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:31 PM
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TRP defines "improvement" as "getting more sex" and thus the two concepts are the same
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:10 PM
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Do you have any hard science supporting these assertions, because to me this looks like more pseudo-evolutionary psychology? As ever I think red pill gives way too much credit to (a laymans understanding of) biology and far too little to free will as influenced by social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:08 PM
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For every 10 rapes, there is 1 false report This is the bit you are getting wrong. Its for every 10 REPORTS there is 1 false report, not every 10 rapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:05 PM
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This entire post is an example of confirmation bias. When it works, its red pill, when it doesnt, they were doing it wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:04 PM
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No-one walks all over me, but thanks for your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:02 PM
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Are you a successful player with a rotating harem? I've not met anyone from TRP who legitimately claims this. The closest I've got is a guy who claimed having a girlfriend who he regularly cheated on was "having a harem".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 12:00 PM
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The fact that you post dishonest accounts of your own life and then get angry when people give you genuine responses based on that dishonest account shows you are very much fucked up and very much do need therapy. Normal people do not behave in this way. This is disordered or even dysregulated thinking. Pretending to be immature to ellicit reactions IS immature. Pretending to be fucked up to ellicit reactions IS fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 11:57 AM
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Exactly. They may well be able to conceal their intentions, but it will be obvious they have some intentions of some sort and are playing a game from the obfuscated and convoluted nature of their actions. The idea you can be a master manipulator and everyone or indeed anyone will still think, after knowing you for years, that you are some innocent is a complete joke. House of cards gets this right - no-one knows exactly what Frank is up to, but they all are damn sure he is up to something.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 11:55 AM
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Thats exactly what I'm saying. I also dont think "some men" is a particularly small proportion. As I've said before - one of TRP's main problems is it attracts a very specific subset of guys, and these guys talk to each other in the TRP/manosphere echochamber where everyone else has similar experiences, and then they all collectively conclude this is what life is like for ALL MEN. When in fact, its just what life is like for ALL MEN TO WHOM TRP APPEALS, which is a very small and specific subset …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 11:52 AM
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"Get fit, get confident, approach lots of girls" works for everyone. Everyone knows this. And yet many many many people, despite wanting to meet girls, aren't able to put this into practice due to laziness, fear, whatever. I think its far more likely the TRP people are generally not replying to this thread at all or lying if they do reply - its vastly more important for someone with a TRP mindset to maintain the illusion of sexual success that it is for someone in the TBP mindset. I'd go so far …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/14 11:41 AM
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This sub is pretty balanced. Not many TRPs admitting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:55 PM
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quite often his state of mind can be shown by his performing the act, ie. he actually picked up the knife and stabbed the guy while he was sitting there Um, this fundamentally misunderstands the distinction between actus reus and mens rea. You cannot infer mens rea from actus reus, it is an entirely seperate requirement. To use your example, the necessary mens rea of a guy who actually picked up the knife and stabbed another guy is intent. If he was hallucinating, mentally ill, sleepwalking or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:54 PM
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You aren't. But most crimes and most rapes are not carried out by psychopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:12 PM
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seek therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:11 PM
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Memory or lack thereof cannot be evidenced or corroborated in any way. Memory or lack thereof is not evidence for or against consent. The point of intoxication at which people lose their memory varies wildly. Its possible to have no memory of a night you spent explaining the intricacies of Marxist theory in accurate and succinct detail before completing an essay. Memory or lack thereof does not evidence a given level of capacity and is not used by the courts to evidence incapacity. My "hypotheti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:08 PM
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From corroborating evidence, the same way they prove any other mental element of any other crime. You realise state of mind is an element in almost every crime right? And yet the courts manage somehow. I personally think the PA laws are a dinosaur-era throwback and doubt they'll survive the decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:06 PM
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If you consented to sex it wasnt rape - you evidently dont understand how consent works. The quote you provided doesn't explain how men are convicted for drunk rape. The woman doesn't need to be passed out or immobile at all. Sticking to English law as consent is a carefully refined, and non-politicised concept under English law (as opposed to the US state laws on rape, which vary massively on largely political grounds). If you initiated sex, you consented under English law (presuming you didnt …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:01 PM
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Rapists can control their raping and be punished severely when they dont. Grey areas can be prosecuted to the max, discouraging all from taking such risks. We absolutely CAN control this behaviour, and in fact, its because of this that you object so strenuously to enthusiastic consent laws - youy dont think men SHOULD have to control it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 06:00 PM
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If women never left their homes without male relatives escorting them and wore burkas there would be very few rapes. The logical conclusion of your argument is that this should be expected of women and a women who is raped who didnt do it is partially to blame. Anyone should be able to get drunk. Anyone should be able to flirt with others. Anyone should be able to wear whatever they want. Its RAPISTS whose behaviour we should be concerned about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 05:58 PM
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Call them rape, call them unwitting reckless unconsensual drunken sex, call them whatever. Society needs to stamp those situations out. Enthusiastic consent laws are a way of doing that. It seems bizarre to me that you think it is easier and preferable to make women more cautious than men less rapey.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 04:09 PM
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whoosh
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 04:08 PM
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So is taking regular shits, I dont spend hours a day debating strategies relating to it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 04:07 PM
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Its not contributorily negligent. You cant be contributorily negligent to a deliberate act, only to other negligence. Any deliberate act is an intervening and superceding cause and therefore takes full responsibility regardless of your own actions. law101.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:58 PM
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I thought it was uncharacteristic behavior from you Seriously? I already have him tagged as "completely unconstructive, patronising troll" and I've only been on PPD a couple of days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:31 PM
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Does anyone else feel slightly sick reading this?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:30 PM
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Because for most rape victims the only evidence is their own word, and the law requires (rightly) a heck of a lot more than that, so they have little chance of a conviction even if the guy is caught. Secondly, because there are ENORMOUS social consequences to being a rape victim. For example, all red pill guys will automatically assume you are a lying slut bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:29 PM
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Do MEN react to this happening to a man with compassion, sympathy, concern for not blaming the victim etc? If not, why? Would anyone fail to assign some measure of culpability to this man for what happened to him, based on his recklessness? If so, why? I wouldnt blame the guy at all. I'd acknowledge he has learned a lesson about keeping safe because there are shitty, awful people out there, but I wouldnt claim he was partially culpable. It kinda amazes me that other people would. Its intellectua…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:28 PM
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If there are 100 rapes, all of which are reported to police, the police successfully prosecute 20 rape reports, and 1 of those is based on a false accusation, then For every 100 rapes, 1 man is wrongly imprisoned. A false imprisonment rate of 1% If in fact there were 200 rapes, the same 100 reported, 20 convictions, 1 of which was false then there are 200 rapes for every 1 false imprisonment. A false imprisonment rate of 0.5%
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:22 PM
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The basis of the rape charge is the totality of the evidence that non-consensual sex occured. If the only evidence is the woman says she did not consent, then no prosecutor would proceed to lay charges, let alone secure a conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:18 PM
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My experience are the kinds of people who prioritise casual sex over most of the other aspects of their life tend to be shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:15 PM
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90% of the people claiming to be incels are BP or PP
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:13 PM
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The fact that you are concealing your intentions is itself evidence you are that guy. Again I think this just fundamentally shows you dont know what high-powered environments are like. Everyone knows who the machiavellian manipulators are. Its not possible to conceal the fact that you are concealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:12 PM
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Thats not how the law or justice system works in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:10 PM
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No it doesnt. Using this line of reasoning to minimise, ignore or even deny the responsibility of the rapist is what makes you a hateful misogynist. It is not for random spectators, the media or the police to tell a traumatized victim off with 20:20 hindsight and doing so doesnt help anyone, it just satisfies certain right-wingers need to blame the victim. Its not her FAULT she was raped, even if its within her ability to take action to stay safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:07 PM
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So what? If I leave my wallet on the bar when I go for a piss that doesnt make a thief any less guilty of theft for taking it. You are saying men arent responsible, but thats bullshit. The fact that a woman could have protected herself more is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:05 PM
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Both. Why anyone decent would fuck someone who cant walk straight or talk coherently I do not know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:04 PM
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You can be conscious, making decisions, even engaging in conversation but also blacked out. You wont notice at the time, only afterwards. It just means you dont remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:04 PM
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He is saying the opposite ....
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:03 PM
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Anyone decent would. I have. Anyone who wouldnt needs to go to jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:01 PM
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What the ever loving fuck. Who thinks like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:01 PM
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men arent automatons that simply respond to verbal commands What the fuck? You think men cant stop themselves from fucking someone who is telling them they dont want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 03:00 PM
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Thats so fucking ridiculous its unreal. Entire families have been hounded out of their homes and towns over ENTIRELY TRUE accounts of gang rape when the perpetrators are local football players. Most rapes are unproveable because "he said she said" quite rightly is insufficient to pass the "beyond all reasonable doubt" threshhold. If you were a rape victim why the fuck would you pursue an almost certainly hopeless criminal case if the consequence is that you are bullied out of your home?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:59 PM
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Why is this ironic? There is enormous amount of psychological scientific evidence that many people involuntarily "freeze" and stop resisting in these situations - its almost certainly an evolved response to avoid being more severely harmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:56 PM
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Its no more common for rape than for any other crime. In fact, taking into account how few rapes get to court at all, its vastly less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:55 PM
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The girl can testify, wtf are you talking about? The problem is the level of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt", and if the guy says "no, she was really into it and kept begging me to fuck her" and there is no other evidence then thats a very reasonable doubt, thus most prosecutors will not proceed unless there is more evidence than just the testimony of the girl (e.g. signs of a struggle, other witnesses, date-rape drugs, etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:54 PM
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"Blackout drunk" is a meaningless term that the courts dont use. Lack of memory is an evidentiary issue, not one that goes to consent. If both people are the level of intoxication the law considers incapable of consenting, sex wouldnt have occured. The fact that it did proves AT LEAST ONE of them was not too intoxicated to consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:52 PM
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Child support is analogous to a strict liability offence rather than a contract. Your intention is irrelevant - only the needs of the child are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:49 PM
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"Blackout" drunk is a colloquial term that doesnt have any legal meaning. By suggesting - well she doesn't remember ergo it is rape! You are a fool. The courts dont draw this assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:49 PM
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Most, in fact the VAST MAJORITY of all crimes of all kinds require an investigation of the internal monologue/perception of either the criminal (i.e. mens rea) or the victim. Saying that leaves it flawed just demonstrates a lack of understanding of the law. The presumption always seems to be that the too drunkenness or lack of consent was TOTALLY and completely transparent and obvious to the likely also drunk man No. In jurisdictions with consent-based rape laws the test is as follows: Did the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:46 PM
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Your memory isnt relevant except as evidence of how drunk you were. If you are too drunk to consent you didnt consent, it doesnt matter what you remember or dont.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:42 PM
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THis is a basic misunderstanding of consent laws. Yes, you are still responsible FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. But you are not responsible for the ACTION OF THE PERSON WHO RAPED YOU. Under English law, the "level" of intoxication at which one cannot consent has been explained as "the level of intoxication at which, if both parties were so intoxicated, the sexual act would not have occured". This also neatly resolves the "but were they both raping each other????" strawman/troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:39 PM
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The laws vary massively from state to state
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:37 PM
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This sounds more like a deeply distracting sexual disorder than a lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:35 PM
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You arent the one who gets to define whether you come across as creepy or voyeuristic. I second COPCO
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:34 PM
0

So wait, you took from the film that the violence of the fight club was in some way positive, glorious, aspirational or whatever?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:26 PM
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Wait what? That's the message you took from Fight Club? Its a film about the rejection of capitalism, I dont really see how it can be considered red pill, where red pill is essentially the application of capitalist value analysis to dating...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:11 PM
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Its also a basic TRP instruction to conceal you incel status, so any TRPer worth his salt would lie too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:08 PM
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That's a pretty superficial attitude. There is more to life than sex with young physically-attractive people. There are tonnes of people who achieve that and are basically worthless in every other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:05 PM
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"MY EXPERIENCE IS UNIVERSAL GODDAMNIT! EVERYONE MUST BE JUST AS MUCH OF A SHIT AS I AM SO THAT MAKES IT OK"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:03 PM
1

So much this. Casual sex is no more enjoyable than masturbation to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:03 PM
0

The comedy of this is you are basically suggesting he stop seeing women as people and start seeing them as sex objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 02:02 PM
1

Are you an incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:51 PM
2

Sorry to hear that, your preteen years must have been pretty rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:50 PM
1

Nope. Any true TRP convert who was an incel would, by definition, lie in response to this question however so not sure what the purpose of it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:50 PM
2

Not just that, almost no-one in the world will, and you bet your ass the couple of dozen or so that do are wealthy and famous and could get sex even if they were completely socially awkward betas. If a good woman is a unicorn, a man with a rotating harem due to his own hard work/alpha traits is a unicorn with a lazer beam strapped to its head flying a hoverboard on a whirlwind made of lottery winnings. Probably 1 in 5 women or more is a "good woman". 1 in 100 million men have a rotating harem fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:46 PM
1

The bit you dont seem to get is that the process is gradual enough, and entirely offset by new technology/service job creation and retirement that it doesnt impact the employment rate AT ALL and is thus not a problem AT ALL.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:45 PM
2

The fact that you are concealing your intentions is itself evidence you are that guy. I think you are kidding yourself if you think you cant identify someone who is adopting the laws, or perhaps you havent worked in the kind of environment where its high powered enough to be relevant (i.e. international law firm, bank, consultancy)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:42 PM
3

"I'm not obsessed with money, just with obtaining money"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:41 PM
1

Dude wtf? You open a thread saying you keep fucking up your life and then get offended when people say this is immature? IT IS IMMATURE! You aren't a psychopath you have some kind of personality disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 01:31 PM
1

A coalition of the religious right and gay people? hahaha good one. You are really downplaying how essential extreme (christian) religion is to any right wing party victory. The rest of what your wrote? Spot on I'd say. I also think there will be a move towards more pluralistic politics, maybe even a push in some countries (not the US, too entrenched) towards more multi-party politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:51 PM
1

Nah. Outside of the tiny manosphere and parts of the reddit nerd communities no-one gives a shit. Feminism is not a topic of conversation for 99% of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:50 PM
1

The European hard-right groups are just a reaction to 2008. A few years prosperity and they will fuck off again
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:49 PM
1

Temporarily - employment rates have risen consistently in the long term
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:48 PM
1

FIFTY? More like 200 mate
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:47 PM
1

The explosion of the far right (not really an explosion, none are majority govs) is just a reaction to the 2008 crash. The world, especially Europe, is on a liberal/left trajectory, one that has been sustained for many hundreds of years. In the UK, UKIP are only predicted 3 seats in the 2015 election. The impact is being massively overstated. Labour (a centre-left party) will win a plurality according to materially all forecasts. The US could have a brief return to conservatism (though I doubt i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:44 PM
1

RPW could be renamed "trad-con wives club" and it wouldnt change a bit. Its not truly red-pill in any sense other than agreeing on "traditional gender roles"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:39 PM
1

Because TRP is fundamentally not a sexual strategy but a rationalisation for misogynistic judgement of women by the men they reject.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:38 PM
3

But TRPers always object when BP refers to them as "sex obsessed"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:37 PM
1

There arent many "successful players with rotating harems". Most or all of the people who claim to be are either very wealthy/famous and trade solely on that (thus negating the value of any "pick up" skills they have), or merely pretending
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:36 PM
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No, its an explanation of why red pill cant be rejected wholesale, and why implementing it wholesale has some good results. Its not cherrypicking its truth that even most red pillers can accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:35 PM
0

I guess the BP/PPers who come here tend to be the "successful" kind who already do these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:34 PM
2

Roosh however, did? Wow that guy is a massive cunt
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:33 PM
1

TRP doesnt rely on actual EvoPsych in the sense of real research by legitimate scientists, rather it uses "Pseudo-Evo-Psych" pop-psychology that sounds vaguely plausible but is not backed by research.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:31 PM
3

Not in proper high powered environments. Every office has a 48 laws of power cunt. They stay forever middle-management because among intelligent people their actions are transparant and unlikeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:29 PM
5

Its always illuminating when someone goes on about how short a book is as if it is a virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:28 PM
0

I've read all the free material, far more than enough to understand the principles. There is no way I'm giving money to those assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:27 PM
-3

All you are really saying is you dont mind being dominated by your boss because you respect her. There's nothing especially gendered about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:26 PM
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Assertiveness is inherently direct and dominating. It literally means being willing to stick up for yourself in the face of contrary or different opinions and push your opinion if it is the correct one. It is absolutely a form of dominance-play. I couldnt agree with the OP more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:25 PM
2

Blue pill - Hiking, Camping, Cooking, Electronic Music / Raves (aka proper clubbing, not the kind where people go to hook up), Poetry, Electronics, Snowboarding, Kitesurfing, Quadcopters, Gym/Lifting, Financial Investment, Reading, Festivals, Exotic (non-touristy) Travel, Dancing, occasional video games, Wakeboarding, Free-climbing Shit and thats just this year. I have a lot of hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:23 PM
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Couldnt disagree more. The skills and habits required for a relationship are completely different and in some cases the opposite of the skills and habits required to pick up a lot of ONSs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:17 PM
0

TRP is sex obsessed. Anyone who spends that much time thinking about and debating optimal sexual strategy obviously considers the ability to obtain casual sex frequently to be incredibly important. Similarly TBP and PPD is (gender) politics obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:06 PM
4

I am male, I have a lot of male friends. We are (pretty much) all mid-late 20s extroverts working in Finance/Law/Accounting/Business and make big money, and at least from what I understand of TRP's conception of SMV (which I dont particularly agree with), we would all have high SMV. No-one I know is or prefers to be single despite it being childsplay to wear a sharp suit to the right kind of bar and get laid. Everyone is a serial monogamist. By pretty much any definition you choose, none of us i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/14 12:02 PM
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US is much more red pill than UK or any western/northern European country. The only Reason you have less divorces is because your marriage rate has declined. People are in ever more unhappy relationships, they just realize it so they don't even bother getting married any more. The divorce rate I linked was a percentage...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 05:56 PM
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•you have a high SMV and she doesn't (She doesnt think she can do better) We both have high SMV, but arguably hers is higher. •You unknowingly have just the right amount of alpha traits to keep her interested despite acting beta. I so have the "positive" alpha traits, but SO DOES SHE. •She has some kind of issue with her sexual identity (emotional tomboy) She is physically and interpersonally classically feminine, other than when working, when she is very assertive, is a leader and not in any wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 05:50 PM
1

I live in the UK and consider the US an unliveable nightmare so UK stats are relevant to me. Doesnt the fact that there are less divorces and happier marriages in a less red pill country indicate something on its own?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 04:05 PM
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Sometimes relationships are great but both people change over time and cease to be compatible. The relationship was fulfilling but now its not. Sometimes one or both of the people are shitty people not capable of being in a fulfilling relationship. But 2/3 of marriages last to the 20 year mark (and the "average" marriage lasts 32 years) and a the vast majority of that will be fair and happy. Source divorce stats: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/divorces-in-england-and-wales/2011/sty-what-per…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:38 PM
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any way except emotionally. People are wrongly conflating emotional vulnerability and all other forms of weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:36 PM
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5 years including 2.5 cohabiting and 1.5 sharing finances. I think we have had two arguments in that time and both were about nuances of political theory (resolved amicably within an hour)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:34 PM
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Couldnt agree more. Red pill's observations largely hold true for the sphere in which red pillocks reside. Their fundamental flaw is not being wrong about their own experiences, but false generalisation of their experience to all men and all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:32 PM
1

True, but a loyal, loved sexy hot person is VASTLY more sexually attractive than one who isnt loyal or loved. The idea that love has no bearing on sexual attraction is just plain wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 03:30 PM
1

Manipulating men is just as easy as manipulating women. Manipulating sex-obsessed men is the easiest thing of all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:25 PM
1

The idea that "All [X People] are [Y Adjective]" is retarded and anyone who looks at the world using those kinds of statements as guidelines is going to have a shitty time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:23 PM
1

Show me someone whose life revolves around obtaining casual sex who is actually fulfilled and happy? Everyone I know like that is at best, empty, hollow and unfilled, and often miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:21 PM
0

The thing you are still getting wrong is you are conflating sex obsession with acting in one's best interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:20 PM
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This is one of the many things TRP gets fundamentally wrong - it massively downplays the prevelence of happy, fulfilling non-RP relationships. The fundamental lie at the core of TRP is that "Most relationships are shitty". The truth is "Most relationships with a guy to whom TRP appeals or with a girl on whom TRP works are shitty"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:19 PM
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TBP isnt the idea that being nice will lead to nice things happening to you. TBP is the idea that you should be nice regardless. TBP is functionally a moral position. That said, my experience has very much been that karma comes around. I dont know many happy people who are selfish dicks, but I know a LOT of happy people who are kind and generous. All the people I know who live "TRP" lives are unhappy, lonely, unfulfilled, disconnected and bitter. Even (or especially?) the ones picking up random …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:15 PM
1

The world would make so much more sense. Decent people who worked hard and treated other people well would get ahead, be liked by others, find true love, inspire loyalty and admiration in their mates, and would live full, happy lives. That's been my experience and the experience of people around me who are similarly successful. In my experience, people who think "being hard working and decent" doesnt pay off, actually arent all that hard working or decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:14 PM
1

For you maybe. Living as if blue pill were true has led to me having the life I've always dreamed of with the woman of my dreams.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:11 PM
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I am blue pill. I am happy, fulfilled, successful (in work, play, sex and relationships). I dont blame my problems on anyone. I dont resent anyone. I think men and women are equal. I have friends of both genders. I am emotionally open with all my close friends and we tell each other we love each other (both genders again). My life is awesome. My philosophy is optimistic, assumes the best of everyone, and leaves me happy and hopeful. I am about to get married to a woman who red pill would describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 01:11 PM
1

No, that doesnt follow at all. There are plenty of misogynistic women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:16 PM
1

The kind of men that embrace TRP (and that TRP wrongly assumes are representative of all men) might become less sex obsessed and stop letting women, and more specifically women's reaction to them, define every aspect of their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:14 PM
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Personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:13 PM
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My experience is that selective displays of emotional vulnerability in an otherwise strong and stoical man is cat-nip to women. Do you have any evidence that vulnerability (itself, and specifically not attendent whineyness, weakeness or patheticness) is unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:10 PM
1

How many times have you cried in front of a male friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:08 PM
1

Since blue pill just means "the rejection of the red pill", how can you "reject the rejection of red pill"? I explained why my statement is justified in my second paragraph: Blue pill is just the rejection of red pill as a whole. There are few to no blue pillers who reject EVERY tenet of red pill, as many are just standard common sense self improvement advice. The degree of "purple" can therefore be seen as the amount of credit the blue piller gives to red pill observations, particularly those t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:06 PM
1

Um... Equality Feminism is a classic example of the "equality of opportunity" camp - the basic premise is that men and women are not significantly different in mental capacity and thus with a level playing field you would automatically get equality of outcomes without needing to impose them. Its literally the opposite of artificially imposed equality of outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:05 PM
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She needs a rock. Boundaries. Ownership. Love This implies a relationship, not friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:01 PM
2

Upvotes demonstrate the majority view.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 12:00 PM
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My experience has been the opposite. Being in touch with your emotions is incredibly attractive to women provided you are not a whiney bitch. The kind of women I find attractive anyway, maybe not bar/club skanks. Getting married next year to a girl with characteristics that TRP says doesnt exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:58 AM
1

Its still bullshit. Its true for the kinds of people who meet partners of the opposite sex in bars, sure. That's what, 20-30% of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:53 AM
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TRP is also 100% about "should", it just pretends superficially to be about "is". TRP wouldn't be opposed to feminism (or indeed, have any positive or negative stance on anything) otherwise. On paper this seems like a RP wet dream, but i am pathologically anti authoritarian and i just could not bring myself to let her dictate the terms of the relationship on her own, even if they were colossally in my favor. I feel really bad for anyone who considers that kind of interaction desirable in any way…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:52 AM
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Emotional vulnerability is incredibly attractive when paired with stability, independence and strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:49 AM
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I am stoic and (selectively) vulnerable, they are not exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/14 11:48 AM
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If you werent replying to me, what were you replying to? A completely different straw man?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 05:04 PM
1

Are you on drugs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 05:04 PM
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"guys guys I was just joking when I made all of those shitty fallacies" A "hater" is someone who will criticise something because of their personal bias against it rather than any rational reason. Calling someone a hater is saying their argument is invalid as they are biased and not reliant on reason. Its about as clear cut an ad hom as its possible to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 05:02 PM
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Its literally putting words I didnt say or even allude to in my mouth, it couldnt be more of a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 05:01 PM
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This is a distinction that often seems lost on TRPers - TBP says you shouldnt GENERALISE based on someone's sexual history, not that you shouldn't judge. Someone with 10 sexual partners MIGHT be a low self-esteem validation-seeking person who is incapable of fidelity. Or they might just be a sex positive person who didn't couldnt fit a long term relationship into their schedule while studying at university but still had sexual needs. The former kind, arguably, isnt a great LTR candidate. The sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 05:00 PM
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Class act.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:56 PM
1

what in the fuck is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:55 PM
-1

How about you call me out if I strawman instead of making a sourceless claim. OK: So you don't think that men have problems that need to be addressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:33 PM
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Coercing sex from someone who is unwilling is disgusting. The fact you think that this is even debatable is fucking hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:32 PM
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This is a good topic for PPD. It would be interesting to expand the question to include how each person's parents acted towards each other. I came from a very loving, emotionally open liberal home. I've had multiple very loving, emotionally open relationships that reached their natural end as we both matured, and now I'm engaged in a 5 year relationship that is the best thing that's ever happened to me (and I've had an awesome life so far). I've never cheated or been cheated on. I've never hit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:30 PM
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What are the societal perks? As a liberal "enlightened" modern man - what have I given up by moving away from being "emotionally closed off" and by showing emotional vulnerability in front of straight male friends? I have a large group of intimate friends of both genders. We all use "love" to describe out emotion towards each other, and are all emotionally intimate. I can't see what downside there is to adopting this arrangement - its fucking awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:26 PM
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You are giving him the credit of assuming his claimed experience isnt made up to support his prejudices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:22 PM
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Good post. Equality can mean a lot of different things but it is anything but meaningless nonsense. You can define it precisely in many different ways. The question is, how SHOULD you define it, if equality is your aim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:21 PM
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petty self-satisfaction I guess? Going to end in tears eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:20 PM
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Attractive Woman shitting on somebody for approaching her without enough "Value". Fuck that, I'll tear her down. You dont think people are entitled to reject random approaches by strangers for whatever reason they like? Seriously? You dont think its ok to just not want to talk to a guy hitting on you because you arent interested? Prospective "Alpha" becoming upset or sleazy in response to obvious and clear rejection? It funny because this is surely just the corrolary of the previous situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:19 PM
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Who IS in favour of equality of outcomes? Seriously? Who are these straw-BPers who believe in this concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:16 PM
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True purple pillers are just a flavour of blue pillers who dont like the /TBP sub. Blue pill is just the rejection of red pill as a whole. There are few to no blue pillers who reject EVERY tenet of red pill, as many are just standard common sense self improvement advice. The degree of "purple" can therefore be seen as the amount of credit the blue piller gives to red pill observations, particularly those that go beyond "common sense self-improvement advice".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:16 PM
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That's not what I said was it? I'm talking about MRAs as a self-identifying group, not men's rights (lowercase) and issues. Steelpuppy I've noticed you tend to use strawmen, in the most bald and blatent way, near constantly on PPD. If this isnt deliberate, its something you should watch out for in your posting because it's annoying and ineffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:15 PM
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I found a childrens economics website to explain this for you: http://www.socialstudiesforkids.com/articles/economics/wantsandneeds1.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:12 PM
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Wants and desires are needs. This is just dumb. They are, by definition, not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:11 PM
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The point is if men discarded the historic "masculine" notion that displaying emotional vulnerability in front of other men is wrong, they would be able to overcome this disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:10 PM
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Disagree. Women CAN maintain themselves emotionally with support from other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:10 PM
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Hm, men provide resources/protection, while women provide intimacy. Where have I heard that before. Her point is masculinity prevents men from providing each other intimacy. Its a weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:07 PM
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Its not masculinity per se, its a largely social construct that it is masculine not to outwardly display vulnerability or emotion, even to your closest friends. I'm not sure this would hold up as a biologically evolved trait, as context-appropriately demonstrating vulnerability is one of the single greatest loyalty-inspiring leadership techniques there is (so much so that particularly good management and leadership education talks explicitly about it).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:07 PM
2

Your experience is that straight, traditionally masculine, conservative men are emotionally vulnerable around each other (or indeed, around anyone other than a romantic partner)?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:04 PM
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A single man is always thirsting for pussy. Unless he just got out of a very shitty relationship. I actually think this is one of those fundamental RP mistakes. I dont think men are "always thirsting for pussy" as a first order priority. I think men are always thirsting for intimacy, of which sex is the least "emotionally risky" outlet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:03 PM
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This post made me think about things a lot. Firstly I'm a hetero guy in a LTR, generally liberal but classically masculine. I have a lot of close FEMALE friends who I snuggle with. I have a lot of close guy friends who I hug, maybe put an arm around now and then, but wouldnt be quite as intimate as with the female friends. I'm not sure why... I don't think I'm homophobic, even subconsciously. Maybe its a residiual societal "implications" thing? Maybe its just too unusual? Anyway, being divorced …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 04:00 PM
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Because its fundamentally objectifying. Its treating someone based on imaginary idealised characteristics and not for who they really are. It reduces them to a figment of the beholder's imagination. And then there's the unhealthiness of a position that is routed in imaginary non-reality, and the inevitable consequences when reality fails to live up to the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:53 PM
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What you are describing is not reletavism. Relativism is rejection of the existance of objective reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:49 PM
2

I love that you use kinkster and queer as an insult. Like being gay or sexually experimenting makes you less of a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:48 PM
1

Oh comeon, everyone here must be able to admit that the MRAs are just a bunch of very very bitter (sometimes understandably) women hating cry babies. Surely no-one legitimately contends otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:47 PM
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CXJ you've repeatedly told us in PPD that you are a bad person, your friends are mostly bad people, Red Pill plate spinning has made you unhappy and empty, and you want to be a better person. You've already made the BP argument for us better than we ever could. You have already turned to the light side, its just a matter of time before you cast RP aside completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:46 PM
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Um... MistressNatelie is a RPW not a BPer!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:43 PM
5

Haha irony. You are calling him a hater as an attempt to dismiss his argument. That is a CLASSIC ad hominem fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:40 PM
2

You are one of the worst offenders and here you are, proving his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:40 PM
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Your description of blue pill is utterly ridiculous. BP isnt factually relative (and I'm not sure anyone really is outside of some obscure philosophy grads and stoners) nor morally absolutist. You are making a classic red pill classification error - black and white are the only options you see. Red pill is a factual absolutist position which assumes all human beings of each sex behave functionally identically in given circumstances. Blue pill is simply a non-absolutist position that this is bull…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:36 PM
2

...yes I agree but why is it Blue Pill? BP doesnt encourage the kind of one-sided, controlling, jealousy-driven bullshit that he is intimating, its radically against it. BP = egalitarian, not female controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:35 PM
1

That's all BDSM.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:31 PM
2

Dead bedroom isnt fixed by a un-turned on woman lubing up and letting the guy go to town while sobbing quietly into her pillow and anyone who thinks it is is fucked in the head. Red pill claims to be all about taking responsibility and realising stuff like dead bedroom is actually in the man's hands to change, and yet there is still a strong undercurrent of blaming (solely) the woman for it and even "well she wont give me sex so FUCK HER in every other possible respect". Now if we are in a long …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:30 PM
2

Non-violent sexual coercion is a very common thing in relationships. Whether or not its illegal (it often isnt), it's skuzzy as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:22 PM
2

RP claims to have something that works on EVERYONE, because AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:19 PM
1

I think you can judge an ideology (or "set of principles/observations" or whatever you want to call TRP) by the behaviour and views of the majority of its followers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:18 PM
1

Yes, and objecting to concentration camps is a moral objection as well, what's your point? You think "moral" is a dirty word?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/14 03:16 PM
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I think female dominant relationships contain the seeds of their own destruction Your only evidence for this is you own bias. Blood will always tell You sound like a harry potter villain
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:04 PM
-1

Then why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 04:00 PM
2

The difference is, TRP cherrypicks specific posts on a specific sub (population, a few thousand) as representative of either "feminism" (population, a few million) or even women as a whole (population ~3.5 bn) Whereas TBP cherrypicks specific posts from TRP (population, a few thousand) as representative of TRP (THE SAME POPULATION).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:59 PM
2

Presumably you are ok with any future women you meet being told a full list of your crimes against previous women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:43 PM
1

Tell that to the dozens of red pills calling them freaks in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:36 PM
1

And we admit it. BP is fundamentally a moral objection to RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:35 PM
1

He is ironically congratulating you for being non-partisan
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:34 PM
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Go back to the 1900s
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:34 PM
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You are far, far too complex for their little RP minds
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:33 PM
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If red pill were truly just an amoral sexual strategy, then it would never make statements like this a sexual strategy that is clearly working. This is a moral judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:31 PM
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You dont encorporate any BDSM with your partner? Pretty much everyone I know does, even if its just blindfolds and silk ties or spanking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:30 PM
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Its funny quite how many "handfuls of exceptions" there are...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:28 PM
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Basically they are saying women who are turned on by forceful sex and spanking, actually want to be raped and beaten. Basically they are awful humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:27 PM
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You must suck as a man if this is your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:22 PM
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Most women arent any one job. Great argument!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:21 PM
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What about non-violent coercion? For example "I'm taking you in the ass or I'm kicking you out of my house and revoking your access to our bank accounts"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:20 PM
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Damn straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:08 PM
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This is literally as silly as saying "Racism campaigners don't mention sexism" Its a movement built around a specific issue or series of issues, of course it doesnt spend equal time on other issues. Instead feminists and other liberals often go out of their way to suppress these facts, and calls people bigots that actually call out the problems in society What a ridiculous straw man. I might as well say Red pill endorses rape and suppresses the testimony of rape victims. Its bullshit, but that h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:07 PM
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The red pillers DO need and seek our approval or they wouldnt post in PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 03:04 PM
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Is there any statistical basis for the belief that men do not feel happy in egalitarian relationships? If not, stop claiming it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:59 PM
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Then why are you posting to PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:58 PM
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The r-adapted vs K-adapted thread from last week perfectly answers this. BPers are K-adapted and interested in K-adapted SOs for a K-adapted relationship (think: LTR) RPers are r-adapted and interested in r-adapted women for r-adapted "relationships" (thing: ONSs) We are literally talking about different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:57 PM
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It really isnt. Its enlightened and demonstrative of a far greater level of self-awareness and honesty than any red piller i've seen possesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:55 PM
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I dont think you understand the point of the OP. Its not talking about red pill cherrypicking, its talking about bluepill supposedly cherrypicking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:54 PM
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Dont use your dirty blue pill logic in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:53 PM
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Why do you get to define the boundary of what Red Pill is, and what is your "epistemological knife" for doing so (aka what is the theoretical basis for such division)? To me, the fact that so many red pillers treat red pill as an ideology demonstrates that it is one, whatever a few theorists like to claim to the contrary
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:33 PM
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Why is that blue pill rather than "psycho SO"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:31 PM
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I think most people for whom red pill is appealing are likely to use it irresponsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:30 PM
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Red Pill gives the man the benefit of the doubt - its about putting the man in charge and then assuming he will make good decisions. Saying "being irresponsible" is "anti-red pill" is ludicrous. Red pill doesnt require responsibility from men, it presupposes it. Giving someone power without them earning it encourages irresponsibility. Domineering couldnt be more red pill. Saying "its not red pill because Mom is unhappy" is the biggest no true scotsman ever. Talk about confirmation bias! I'm not …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:28 PM
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RPers who couldnt keep their views to themselves wouldnt have much fun in my BP, rigourously intellectual family. There arent any though. Probably something to do with the "intellectual" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 02:23 PM
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You are being fasceitious. Child support is to support the children. Forcing someone to either stay together in an unhappy marriage, or lose access to their children is incredibly bad for society (and the kids). This is why divorce doesnt mean you lose access to your kids, not to mention how unfair it is. I also love how you specifically limit abuse to physical abuse, as if emotional, mental and verbal abuse arent things or arent serious. People who think like you will fortunately never find any…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 12:35 PM
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TRP claims to have absolute truth that applies to all men and all women. It couldnt be more opposite to Count Drama's statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 12:31 PM
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Correction: This is what most women that red pillers target and red pill works on are
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 11:01 AM
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What you are describing is a form of slavery. Red pillers want a traditional relationship where the woman gives up her career to raise kids, but if she is unhappy she gets fuck all (not the kids OR compensation for her lost career). How is that fair? How is that reasonable? How is the income purely just the mans and not the households (and if it is, why wouldnt that make the kids purely the womans as she is doing 95% of the parenting)?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 10:58 AM
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It's presumptuous, narcissistic, self-serving You realise these are all compliments in red pill world right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 10:56 AM
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I'm sort of glad TRP itself exists, because having a common language and behaviour pattern makes "those guys" easier to spot and isolate. I'm sad that those guys exist though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/14 10:56 AM
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what do you mean? He did. You dont need to express the words "I am dumping you" for it to be self-evident that you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 04:00 PM
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The benefit of the doubt in this context is just naiivity. There isnt any doubt. He could have still ended the relationship, but ending it his way will probably stress him out in the long run. How so? I agree it was immature, and maybe passive aggressive, but it was also self-respecting and left him feeling like he held the high ground. It seems like a great way to keep his ego in tact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 04:00 PM
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And this is a bad thing because...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:34 PM
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I also agree that relationships are largely not worth it in a cost benefit analysis. I really genuinely think the vast majority of guys are just in them as a means to access regular sex. That's always been my prime motivator, but I am capable of brutal honesty about my own nature. I know many guys who either admit this outright or make it obvious. The other guys in LTRs seem to have a terror of being alone. Very few have genuine passion for their relationships or SOs or whatever. I genuinely fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:33 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:31 PM
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Got to agree. The subtext is this: Friend: "Your girlfriend is a slut and wants my cock" Girlfriend: "Yes I do, boyfriend you will have to prove you are a bigger man if you want to keep me" Boyfriend: "How about fuck you all, I'm going home"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:24 PM
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But then he wouldnt have found out that his girlfriend is into this guy and willing to act on it, which she evidently is. He would have ended up cheated on regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:22 PM
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If there is one thing I have learned in life its that people dont really "joke" about sexual stuff. If someone makes a joke about fucking you, they want to fuck you. They may not ever be in a situation where they WOULD fuck you, but they do want to. The girlfriend here expressed an intention to cheat in an attempt to make her bf jealous enough to "fight for her honour". That's pathetic and 2 months into a relationship, an instant deal breaker. His way of ending the relationship was immature but …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:18 PM
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No sorry, its not a joke, its expressing an intent to cheat and deliberately setting your BF in gladiatorial combat with another man for your amusement. Anyone who wouldnt dump the 2 month girlfriend in that situation needs some self-respect and a spine
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:16 PM
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try using the word privilege, feminism, misogyny or anything like that unironically in TRP and let us know how you get on
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:15 PM
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No, I'm sorry. The girl admitted she was ready to cheat on him to his face, he can be forgiven a minor act of pettyness as he dumped her - she was getting dumped either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:14 PM
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Why is the guys dating someone he doesnt respect (tattoo reference, cock carousel reference)? Personally despite being bluepill I agree with the guy's response, a girl who is willing to suck some dude's dick for fun while in a relationship needs to be dumped and this way of doing it sends the right message - that she isnt worth it and its her mistake to make. The only bits I take issue with are a) why was he dating her in the first place and b) why does he have a FWB while in a committed relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 03:13 PM
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Completely misleading title. The study didnt find bias, it found a lack of conservatives. Its equally plausible from the evidence reviewed to conclude that the reality of the subject matter studied by social science validates liberal beliefs, meaning experts in social science become more liberal as they realise those beliefs are true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 01:48 PM
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Its not a black and white thing, nor is it a choice. ITs an explanation for behaviour
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 11:25 AM
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No shit :P
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/14 11:21 AM
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They arent chosen strategies - its amazing how many people from TRP cant seem to wrap their head around this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 03:09 PM
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I couldnt agree more. Its why RP has more traction in the USA than more socialist European countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 01:40 PM
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r-types take survival risk K-types take reproductive risks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 01:38 PM
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The irony....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 10:07 AM
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You just dont get it. I dont know if you just havent read the materials or your own desperate need to be a K means you deliberately miscast them. K/r is not about outcomes, its about motivations. K-selected men DO NOT WANT sexual success with r-selected women. Sexual success with r-selected women is r-success. You can be an r-selected provider (albeit unhappy). You can be an r-adapted guy who has no success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 10:03 AM
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You are conflating "beta" with K-selected but this is bullshit. beta COULD be be K-selected OR r-selected. Its a mindset not an outcome. A beta who desperately wants to be a player is r-adapted. A beta who just wants to meet his one true love is K-adapted. Being "Nice" isnt inherently K-selected. Again you are conflating concepts. They adopt narcissism naturally in childhood. You can adopt narcissism at any point in life. Many nobodies who find fame and fortune in middle of life end up narcissis…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 09:56 AM
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They arent chosen strategies. They aren't choices. They aren't within your control. I would also dispute that someone who plays the field hard (20+ partners) indicating strong r-adaption could ever truly exhibit K-adapted behaviour, even if they emulate a K-adapted lifestyle for personal benefit. Your fundamental brain structure and motivation psychology doesnt change significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 09:49 AM
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frowned upon Oh yes, but not less prevelant. Just less open. They do not focus on a return to a previous status quo. But only on how to make the best of it. They do sometimes acknowledge that present status quo sucks, and that the past was arguably better, but they do acknowledge that acting like a 50s era man - getting married for example, is not going to cut it. We hear this, and the whole "Red pill is amoral" line very very often, but the consensus of red pill opinions, the topics discussed i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/14 09:43 AM
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Its a cut-out box about half way down this: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/07/07/the-myth-of-the-alpha-male/ This needs to be stapled to the forehead of every red pill male: While it is possible to pick up some types of women by acting “alpha,” because of the kind of women this seduction method attracts, the flings you successfully land can become messier than you bargained for. It’s for this reason that men who go for the alpha male ideology often fall victim to a selection bias in regards …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 08:25 PM
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since their methods are completely opposite of male sexual policy of 50s I'm not sure I agree, how much do you know about men in the 1950s? Extra marital affairs were EXTREMELY common for men. What is publicly acceptable and what is in fact done are two very different things. If anything I think the main thing that has changed is people are publicly acknowledging r-selected behaviours more, not necessarily do them. watch what they do, and not what they say. Isnt your political philosophy is a me…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 08:20 PM
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You said fast life strategy, r-strategy is big cities I gave a counterexample showing this statement to be partially false. I wasnt claiming big cities are pure K-strategy, merely demonstrating that the claim that cities are for r-selected people predominantly is wrong. Similarly the highest levels of teenage pregnancy are typically smalltown/rural areas, indicating high r-selection in areas you are claiming are K-selection dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:56 PM
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TRP theory itself, as opposed to TRPers, isnt an attempt to change anything. Its neither adaptive nor reactionary, merely descriptive. TRPers themselves generally express admiration for the sexual politics of the 60s and disgust for the sexual revolution and liberation of women. This is a classic reactionary view. TRP viewed as universal advice for all men is adaptive, I'll give you that, but TRP ISNT INTENDED as universal advice for all men, and if all men adopted TRP strategies they wouldnt wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:54 PM
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maybe mods did
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:50 PM
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Compare age of loss of viriginity of children of single or divorced parents with those from a nuclear family (hint: its a multiple year difference)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:50 PM
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Did you read the article at all? The whole point is that you are seeing "arrogant, asshole, hugely successful, highly respected" is getting lots of woman attention and concluding "If I act like an arrogant asshole women will love me" when it is in fact the traits you CANT fake or choose, success and respect that are attractive to women, and the chosen/fakeable traits, aggression and dominance, that are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:49 PM
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Exactly. The whole point of the article is "chosen" alpha behaviour isnt, in fact, attractive at all. Earned reputation on the other hand....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:48 PM
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You dont seem to get the big distinction. Prestige is earned, not demanded or chosen. Prestige Alpha is a descriptive trait, you cant "act prestige". Dominance on the other hand is a chosen trait. You certainly can "act dominant". What that article is effectively saying is that you cant emulate what you view to be alpha behaviours and become alpha. Alpha isnt behaviours, its just a measure of success. What causes that success is another question and not in any way universal
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:46 PM
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Really? That article was SPOT ON. While studies show that most women find prestigious men more attractive than dominant men for both short-term affairs and long-term relationships, the research also suggests that, when given the choice, some types of women will still pick the dominant asshole over the upstanding prestigious man. Women with a “fast life” history (meaning they grew up in an insecure and unstable environment with little or no parental support), insecure attachment, and who hold hos…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:45 PM
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r-adaption isnt a choice, and the difference between r and K in a given species varies. Read the articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:43 PM
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No, sorry, still wrong. I live in a capital city, financial hub, one of the most interesting cities in the world. Everyone I socialise is classic K-selection. Pretty much everyone I socialise with comes from stable home backgrounds, prefers LTRs to flings, goes for stability and wealth accumulation over short term excitement and so on. You are doing what most red pillers in this fantastic topic are doing - desperately trying to create a loophole or counter-factual analysis that makes red pill so…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:41 PM
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boom
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:39 PM
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95% of TRPers and TRP material is about living the plate lifestyle. Red pill LTR advice is a tiny offshoot. But I would agree that too much r and women will think you're hot and probably fuck you once or twice, but they will never date you. You still dont get it and are still denying the dichotomy. r-selected woman will think you are hot and probably fuck you. K-selected woman wont be interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:37 PM
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No. TRP is a guide for r-selected men to maximise success with r-selected women. Why would a k-selected man WANT what TRP offers? You are still viewing the whole world as if r-selected presuppositions are universal. Get out of that mindset. Wanting a large number of short term sexual partners is BY DEFINITION an r-selected trait. It isnt universal. If TRP was a bunch of r men trying to get with k women, they would be encouraging so-called beta/provider behavior, They do. In the Married Red Pill …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:35 PM
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Exactly right
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:32 PM
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If this were accurate, then red pill as a reaction to feminism is the equivalent of a can of gasoline and some marsh-mellows on sticks as a reaction to a housefire. Unfortunately though you missed a crucial part. TRP is a group of r-selected men who think that the dispelling of the illusion that everyone is k-selected is actually a CHANGE from k-selection to r-selection. It isnt. The world isnt fundamentally any more r-selected now than in the 1960s, actually the complete opposite. The differenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:27 PM
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K-selected alphas and r-selected alphas can be distinguished very cleanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:26 PM
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EXACTLY. Redpill men are r-selected guys whose own prefiltering means they only hit on r-selected women. If you are a anteater, of course the main think you notice about any given environment is the ants.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:25 PM
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This is entirely false. I'm surrrounded by K-selected women. It only appears that way to you as you are an r-selected male from a largely r-selected environment who almost exclusively targets r-selected women without realising it (prefiltering). TRP would not appeal to a K-selected man. Having lots of sexual partners is NOT a K-selected trait. TRP would not work on a K-selected women. Having sex without commitment is not a K-selected trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:24 PM
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All the evidence is that TRP is largely r-adapted men who want to fuck r-adapted women and have a k-adapted woman at home looking after their kids. K-adapted men dont want to be successful with r-adapted women. K-adapted men want to mate for life with a K-adapted woman. Did you bother to read the links? You claimed you knew this topic well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:21 PM
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You are getting uncharacteristically angry and have deleted a lot of posts. You seem to think there is a distinction between men who are "r-adapted" and men who are "from an r-adapted background and are reacting to the r-adaption of women"... but there isnt. Red pill men are archetypal of r-adapted. R-adaption explains the vast majority of red pill theory and confirms most of the purple pill criticisms of red pill (e.g. "works on a subset of r-adapted women, doesnt work on k-adapted women"). Do …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:17 PM
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The most amazing thing about that link is that the guys posting think they are K-types themselves solely because they claim to want K-adapted women to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:13 PM
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No, sorry. Pretty much every reactionary throughout history has defined his desire to return to the old status quo (1960s era sexual politics) as an "adaptation to the new status quo", based on a (inherently reactionary) belief that the new status quo will lead to disaster and the old status quo is the only viable alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:11 PM
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As sex has had decreasing health and social consequences, it has become less of an inherently "r" act and more of a "k" one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:09 PM
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Do you agree with it? Which parts do you disagree with? It seems to back up what I've said elsewhere about red pill only working on some women, and only being attractive to some guys (both r-selected).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:08 PM
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This isnt correct. Investment in kids isnt solely or even mainly about finite resources. Investment isnt a zero sum game. We get it, you dont believe in ethics or morals, true charity or altruism, just playing the game to get the best personal outcome, but dont claim to speak for others. "Rational egoism" taken to its extreme, is sociopathy. Most people are not sociopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:05 PM
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The best thing about this analysis is that (as well as many many many home truths about how red pill works, why, and on and by whom) that it clearly indicates the fundamental inconsistency at the heart of red pillers who claim to want to eventually find a good woman and settle down. You cant spend your whole life to date applying r-strategy and developing skills and experience of r-selected environements and chasing r-selected girls, and then expect to be able to adapt, aged 30-40 something, to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 07:03 PM
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Oh my god thank you so much for these links. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN and we are currently arguing over in the other threads: “But wait…don’t some women go for the Bad Boy? I’ve seen it happen!” While studies show that most women find prestigious men more attractive than dominant men for both short-term affairs and long-term relationships, the research also suggests that, when given the choice, some types of women will still pick the dominant asshole over the upstanding prestigious…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 06:02 PM
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By TRPs own reckoning, the vast majority of women, if not ALL, have the opportunity to have sex whenever they want it. Men aren't picky when no-hassle sex is on offer. Not having ONSs but being sexually active doesnt make you an incel, it may just means you value emotional intimacy alongside sexual intimacy. Singles having ONSs are not common in "power" groups. Power couples are the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 05:02 PM
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.... but thats exactly what I said originally and provided stats disproving!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 04:15 PM
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Top tier women dont let anyone "have their way with them". Its too much a RMV hit to be worth it and a LTR with a top tier guy is more rewarding sexually for them too. Only 40% of all women have ONSs, and it is not in any way correlated with attractiveness. Of those, half do so only once and subsequently express negative feelings about it. http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/06/16/one-night-stands-5-shocking-facts-about-the-science-of-hooking-up/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 04:02 PM
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Why would men not need all those things from their partner too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:52 PM
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All this shows is that physical appearance is very important when its among the only information upon which mating decisions are made (e.g. prefilterin in dating sites).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:16 PM
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No I'm not saying that all, again, comprehension failure. I think it works remarkably well on a VERY SPECIFIC SUBSET of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:14 PM
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Its unhelpful when its unjustified, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:12 PM
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Distribution of number of sexual partners approximates a normal curve for both sexes Do you not understand what this means? What you are describing would mean a FAR from normal curve for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:10 PM
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The study said 4.8 to 7.9 I think. Its still unexplained after accounting for ALL KNOWN AND STUDIED FACTORS. Its always the case that there may be unknown and unstudied factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 03:10 PM
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Do you really think a woman who is as intelligent and shrewd as you clearly believe you are (and I see no reason to disagree) will not see right through Red Pill's mindgames, manipulations and emotional trickery and be put off by it? I've yet to meet an intelligent woman who has heard of red pill and is anything other than repulsed by it as a concept, and I've chatted to a LOT about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 02:44 PM
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The idea that there even could be "fuck me" cheat codes that work on all women is moronic in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 02:41 PM
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Totally agree. We need to design working conditions such that women dont have to make such choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/14 02:37 PM
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Obviously, I can't give you my memories or provide proper anecdotes to change your mind, because all you would have to say is, "not in my experience." I would literally have to find a woman in your life and do some twisted experiment for you to observe. I guess thats equally true for both of our beliefs. You think its just a matter of tapping in the correct cheatcodes and literally any woman is susceptable, whereas I think your "cheatcodes" work on a specific subset of women I dont value anyway.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:43 PM
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The fact that 5-8% is relatively speaking smaller than 23% in no way impacts on the fact that there is a massive wage gap. So why then are those sexist capitalists employing men at all, in position that a women can do, when men are more expensive. Imagine a corporation slashing it's wage budget 5-23%! Stock holders would be ecstatic. More dividend! Higher stock price! Hookers and cocaine for everyone! Because maternity leave is expensive for businesses. It is economically logical to discount the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:37 PM
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I am a SJW by most red pillers definitions (i.e. a liberal feminist), but I dont believe in censorship or government control AT ALL beyond levelling the playing field. I know hundreds of SJ-inclined people like me and 1 or 2 who want to control and censor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:16 PM
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How would it make sense as the individual instances of intercourse? Is redpill saying the betabux guys living with their 3/10 who puts out nightly are the lucky ones and the poor alphas who bang a new 10/10 every weekend are not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:13 PM
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This may horrify you, but I hate to tell you - Women have libedos too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:13 PM
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5-8% (as in the study you linked) is a massive gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:05 PM
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"How much sex" in a red pill context means "how many sexual partners". If it meant "how many instances of sexual intercourse" the winners would all be betabux in long term live-in relationships with horny freaks like you suggest... and I'm pretty sure those arent the guys TRP is venerating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:04 PM
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No, the same comment apples to men: There are very few statements which are objectively true for all men, and certainly no "offensive" ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 08:01 PM
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30% percent of men have between 67-93% of the all the sex depending on the distribution of the population in terms of age and single/partnered status. Again this is NOT the thing that the red pill 80/20 claim is about. ITs not about having the most individual instances of sexual intercourse, its about having the most individual sexual PARTNERS. A betabux with a steady live in girlfriend with a naturally high libedo will have much more sex than all but the most dedicated single Alpha wolf.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:55 PM
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Thats why we are in PPD isnt it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:52 PM
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Exactly. Only a sociopath acts in an exclusively self-interested way. There is a sliding scale of how self-interested a person is. People towards the sociopath end of the scale are, in my deeply humble and very personal opinion, shitty people its not worth wasting time on. That was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:51 PM
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You're posting your experience, I'm posting mine. How many of the women you claim to have picked up from a street approach were high value? I call bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:49 PM
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Are we discussing men's SMV or RMV? The argument women in this thread are making is that a man's RMV goes down as he has lots of casual sex. What about his SMV? Wouldn't his SMV go up, because he's able to prove that he's attractive to so many women? RMV, as this thread is clearly asking about relationships not ONSs. No idea of affect on SMV and dont really care, but I dont often hear women being complementary about known "manwhores". Also, in a relationship, for both men and women, don't they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:46 PM
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Calls an injustice a myth and bullshit Admits he doesnt care what the evidence says Says he actually wants that thing to be true anyway. And you wonder why people mock TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:43 PM
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There are very few statements which are objectively true for all women, and certainly no "offensive" ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:41 PM
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Ive literally cited a study, in this very chain of discussion, which demonstrates what people DO absolutely IS measurable and in fact the 80/20 stat as a description of what people DO is provably false. Number of sexual partners is approximately normally distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:40 PM
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Finding a low partner count attractive girl isnt unlikely, its "unlikely for the kind of guy who buys into TRP"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:38 PM
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It actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:36 PM
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"Does X exist" is a very different question to "Is X legit" or "Is Y an example of X" or "Does everyone X?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:36 PM
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It is to anyone who isnt a dick
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:34 PM
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Yes. People with personality disorders and other mental health issues of both genders do them all the time. Well balanced, emotionally mature adults with their shit together dont.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:10 PM
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Hypothetically, what if the man only had sex with 8/10s and higher. Does he still have low standards? Yes. Remember 8/10 is a rating based on their fuckability (SMV), not their dateability (RMV). A high RMV woman wont have ONSs so clearly isnt in the man's pool of partners. The more sexual partners you have, the lower the average RMV is likely to be, all else being equal. I've never heard of men getting seriously messed up. I'm sure some do, but I've not heard of it. To be fair, what I consider …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:10 PM
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No. A 80/20 rule about what women DO is falsifiable because you can measure it. A claim about what women WANT is not, unless its reflected by something measurable, like what they DO, which you yourself ruled out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:05 PM
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Nice, you've managed to redraft it into a completely unfalsifiable claim you can happily believe without any possibility of disproval by facts. TRP uses the 80/20 falsehood as a "fact" that justifies other aspects of their beliefs. If its not a fact, just a completely unproveable opinion about what women want, then all of that falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:02 PM
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A genuinely nice man would rather have sex with a small number of incredible women than a large number of (above)average women. Its exactly the same as a genuinely "good woman". A man who has a very high partner count has low standards. This isnt debatable, because the highest value women don't have ONSs, nor are they attracted to promiscuous men. I dont know anyone who has a 20+ partner count of either gender who isnt fairly messed up in the head, either in terms of self-esteem or in terms of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 07:00 PM
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I'm genuinely curious - have there been any large-scale, methodically rigerous studies which show that, correcting for all the relevant factors, there is no wage gap anymore? Could you link me to one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:56 PM
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I think literally the opposite will happen. A woman who has a good income in her own right doesnt need a "provider" man. There is no incentive to "lock down" men at any point. I think we will see a gradual decrease in hookup culture, like you do, but for very different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:49 PM
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If he is having sex with you, he most likely isnt gay is he?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:32 PM
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No silly, I'm claiming that artificially segmenting the data distorts the overall picture. Its a form of bias AND information loss that gets worse the smaller the segmentation. Essentially it can be equated to statistical gerrymandering. I'd accept stats for 18-39 (both single and partnered) to avoid the generational issue you are talking about, but you cant reasonably split single from partnered people or look over a narrow age group in which many of the people are pre-sexually active but will …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:28 PM
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Because who wants a guy who is shallow, doesnt value (or is unable to find) deep emotional connection, and is desperately in need of validation? Its not attractive. Players are not attractive for relationships, even if their fidelity is assured. Their personalities are not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:27 PM
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Turn off? Sure thats fair enough. "I'd vomit and die" is another matter entirely. Turn off and "vomit-inducing" is a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:25 PM
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Ya I'm not racist against gays but don't think its unreasonable to find homosexuality repulsive. I'd imagine gays find straight sex equally repulsive, or at least dis interesting Theres a huge difference between "uninteresting" and "repulsive". The latter IS homophobic. If you find it repulsive you ARE homophobic. If you found black people disgusting that would be racist. If you find homosexuality disgusting you are a homophobic bigot. Its funny that you've just redefined these concepts in your …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:25 PM
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You said a man who has ever slept with another man is gay (no, he is bisexual (unless you are secretly a man too?) or perhaps just experimenting but straight), and that the thought of being with someone who had ever previously been with a man made you want to vomit and die. That IS bigotted and homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:23 PM
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Serial monogamy and high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:21 PM
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The best partners dont date all their lives, because they settle down successfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:20 PM
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Repulsed, because that is disgusting and wrong. Do you think homosexuality is disgusting and wrong? Congrats you are a homophobe and a bigot!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:19 PM
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This is one of my favourites. This is dailymail's reporting of Emma Watson appearing before the UN to talk about her support for feminism and fight for equality: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2763873/Emma-Watson-smart-sophiticated-belted-white-coat-dress-UN-event-role-Goodwill-Ambassador-For-Women.html
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:18 PM
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It interesting that this is a pretty representative reply. TRP teaches that women find a man who can attract women, as evidenced by his partner count, to be attractive, but this thread seems to say the opposite is true, at least for the "good girls" TRP says are unicorns. More evidence for my "TRP isnt compatible with finding the "unicorns" TRP obsesses over" file.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:10 PM
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Backdoor was fair game from day one though amirite? ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:08 PM
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One of the most basic tenets of both PUA and TRP is that you "next" anyone who isnt a low hanging fruit, because low-hanging fruit are plentiful. I disagree that my deductions are too narrow, but it will eventually come down to me saying "here is what X subgroup of women do" and you saying "no they dont, in fact X subgroup doesnt even exist", which will be unresolvable (example: no women in my social group would EVER have a conversation with a guy approaching her on the street - its considered s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 06:02 PM
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These stats are being skewed by the division into very small age categories and by marital status. All you've shown is that some single guys like to party at college. Take the single stat for ALL 18 - 59 year olds (as the CDC stats do) to see the bigger picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:54 PM
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Where did I say bars? See this is pre-filtering again. MOST women wouldnt even slow down, let alone make eye contact or speak more than a pleasantry, to a guy (no matter how well dressed or attractive or charming) who approached them on the street - in my social circles that kind of behaviour is considered at best tragic and at worst predatory. Co-ed sports activities and hobbies you do with strangers obviously skew towards (and therefore filter for) people looking to meet other people. People w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:39 PM
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It still wouldnt work, because it would still be a random sample of women that you meet
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:28 PM
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Most people object to AWALT because it's offensive, not because it's untrue. No. Its offensive BECAUSE its untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:27 PM
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We dont tend to have a catch all used to dismiss your views out of hand. Its more fun engaging on a case by case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:22 PM
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WHOOOSH
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:22 PM
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You are just using SJW as a generalised slur. You might as well just call him a terrorist, a hippy and a pedophile while you are at it. edit: Oh my. You actually HAVE called him a terrorist....
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:21 PM
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lol. Proving the claim that SJW is just a casually thrown slur right 'erryday
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:19 PM
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On reddit they face downvoting. DOWNVOTING. The horror.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:17 PM
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Flip this around. If red pill is just "true, observable facts" why do you need to engage in debate about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:16 PM
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The thing is, a lot of people deploy the SJW slur against ANYONE who engages on the liberal side of any social debate, even if doing so purely for ideological (not personal) reasons, and in a deep and thoughtful way. I've been called a SJW more times than I can count, and I couldnt be further from the Tumblerina stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:15 PM
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SJW is often just used as a slur to dismiss the opponents views out of hand. A lot of the time it is employed not against specifically "whiny" liberals but against liberals generally. I agree with you assertion on concentrations though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:12 PM
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I believe in standing up for social justice whenever appropriate or necessary. I get labelled a social justice warrior a lot, but only by people who I (even before they used this label) already had pegged as contemptably self-interested cunts. In practice, SJW is just a slur people with offensive views use to dismiss complaints against them without having to actually engage with the arguments deployed. Its a particulalry egregious and ironic ad-hom ("Your claim that this is injust is suspect bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:08 PM
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I was presuming your intellect not my own, but I'll bite: If a PUA picks up every single girl he meets, how can you argue that it's only working on a subset of women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:07 PM
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I guess limb 4. also applies there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 05:06 PM
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Use your brain and answer that on your own (the answer ought to be incredibly obvious and can be sumarised merely by bolding two of the words in your question).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:48 PM
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This is an eminently measurable claim - it should be childplay to confirm it with a representative study. The fact that no red pillock has been able to point to such a study strongly implies it is complete bullshit. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence. edit, some strong counterevidence: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf Approximately 96% of adults age 20–59 years have had sex Distribution of number of sexual partners approximates a normal curve for both sexes Obviously the avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:46 PM
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Taking my personal experience and prejudices entirely out of the equation, lets look at what we can logically deduce for certain. Things we know for certain, defining PUA "working" as meaning the PUA has sex with the woman: 1.PUA only works on women who enter into social environments at which they can be casually approached by PUAs. 2.PUA only works on women who are willing to exchange pleasantries with men they do not know. 3.PUA only works on women who are either single, non-monogomous or will…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:44 PM
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No, but nor are they more true because people object to them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:43 PM
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This is flawed logic. Even if you bring home the vast majority of women you approach, all that means is that the techniques you are using works ON THE WOMEN YOU ATTEMPT THEM ON. There is obviously still a layer of pre-filtering (even if you randomly pick from all women you meet, which no PUA does), and its actually this that rules out the bulk of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:16 PM
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Taking my personal experience and prejudices entirely out of the equation, lets look at what we can logically deduce for certain. Things we know for certain, defining PUA "working" as meaning the PUA has sex with the woman: PUA only works on women who enter into social environments at which they can be casually approached by PUAs. PUA only works on women who are willing to exchange pleasantries with men they do not know. PUA only works on women who are either single, non-monogomous or willing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:13 PM
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When the generalisations to which AWALT is being applied are incredibly patronising and offensive, its hardly "being a special snowflake" to tell you you are being a cunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:01 PM
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So much this. Its why Red Pillers and PUAs think good women are Unicorns - because among the sub-set of women that they are attracted to AND on whom their strategies work, good women ARE incredibly rare. In the wider population? Not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 04:00 PM
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This is one of many reasons I see PUA as a moral code barely a slither above date rapists'
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 03:47 PM
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PUA only works on a certain kind of girl. It doesnt work on every girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 02:54 PM
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What is that quote supposed to prove, other than that the author hates feminism and the changes to gender politics in society over the last 50 years. Watch a "coming of age" or pop culture film from the 1980s (I watched "Mannequin" a couple days ago and its a perfect example) and be amazed at the incredible level of casual sexual harassment (e.g. ass smacking), sexism and patronising bullshit that the male characters, even the hero, exhibit towards the women, even the "career" women who are tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/14 10:55 AM
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The tumblr feminists and ageging radfems red pill picks out as representative of feminism are not well regarded within feminism as a whole and cannot be considered mainstream feminists or representative of the body of feminism. The people blue pillers pick out as lowest common denominators of red pill ARE THE MODS THEMSELVES in the sub. If they arent representative, who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:33 PM
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At least you admit that your sampling technique is skewed by primarily hanging out with angry, violent, ill-educated neanderthals.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:31 PM
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Sorry but the existance of patriarchy as a model for historic social interactions is entirely valid, whether you are a feminist or not. If you took your blinkers off and read a neutral summary of it it would be hard for you to argue it isnt a useful analytical tool both in terms of its historic dominance and its lingering social effects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy The point he was making is prominant feminists dont go round YELLING about it like its some evil horde.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:29 PM
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No-one "leads" feminism, its a poltical philosophy not an organisation. Picking individual theorists and saying "this woman leads feminism" is like picking a historian and saying "this person leads historical study". No, he may be one of the most respected figures in the field, or he may be a populist hack, or he may be an extremist wildcard. A subreddits mods are representative of the subreddit. Denying that is just dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/14 06:27 PM
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