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Nothing wrong with average! Those women who made it an issue are unreasonable - better off without them!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 05:19 PM
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I found the recent topic about child support payments interesting - it did make me think that 'financial abortion' could be fair for men (and women if they give the baby up to the father, which does happen in 15% of cases, apparently) in many cases (with regulation). Before I was certainly reflexively: 'of course men have to pay child support, whether the mother made the fair and free choice to have the child without his consent'. Being around here has certainly made me more aware of how hopeles…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 03:55 PM
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It's interesting that you wouldn't date a man over 6' - I have to admit, I do find tall men pretty hot on a superficial level, so my upper limit would be like 6'6" or something (after that I might find it a little awkward...)! Lower limit would be my height I guess 5'3-5'4" - but ultimately, I wouldn't really care if we click in other respects. I certainly don't immediately think 'short guy=unsexy'...Some shorter men have a complex about it and wouldn't like you to be taller than them, or wear h…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 03:43 PM
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Your height is average in most places - and tall in others. It's amazing to me it's really been an issue - and I'm sorry to hear that you've encountered women that irrationally height-obsessed. Maybe for women who are significantly taller than average (say 5'8" and up) and need a man to be the taller one, I can see it being something they aren't comfortable with (especially with heels there's the potential for quite a big height gap and not all men and women are evolved enough to be able to put …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 03:38 PM
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This is very true, but many here don't seem to believe it...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 10:34 PM
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It's a complex topic and I do see the logic in men's rights to 'financial abortion'. I don't think men should be forced to pay 18 years of child support (certainly not if the mother has a well paying job) or more than a fair contribution to the child if he made it clear from the start he didn't want the baby. Women being able to live off child support payments is wrong - it should only be for the child's wellbeing. I'm assuming that along with paying child support, men in the US have rights to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 07:13 PM
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No, of course not. It's just that men are focusing on the financial costs of raising a baby and don't seem to be thinking about the other costs any woman must pay if she decides to keep a baby or not...it's just not the same amount of responsibility for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 01:34 PM
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If you take out the beautiful women bit (and I'm assuming you mean truly beautiful, top of the range women) then no, I don't feel sorry for them because they're being unreasonably superficial. If you're saying do I feel sorry for men who can't find a suitable woman for them, then yes I do. I feel sorry for women who can't find a suitable man either. I'm one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 08:10 AM
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When did I say she has no choices? I said her choices immediately create responsibility and none of the choices are simple. They carry risks: plan b has side effects as does abortion - especially if the woman feels uncomfortable in her conscience about doing it or has a religious family that will judge her for it. Men's only risk if they don't want the baby is being held partially financially responsible for that child if the child is born and kept by the mother. If she has an abortion or takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 07:59 AM
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Tell yourself that if it's the only way you can take it - I'm not envious. I don't want that kind of life and I don't want my value to be tied up in something tenuous and shallow. That's the truth, but I can't make you believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 12:23 AM
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Honestly, because I think people should try to be better than that. If it's what comes naturally to you (because you lack other innate skills/talents), then fine - but I don't think anyone should be actively encouraged to be superficial, vain and aim to live entirely for someone else in order to be wealthy and have a seemingly easy ride in life (Melania seems pretty miserable, so money and fame doesn't seem to buy happiness...). Just as I don't think people should be encouraged to be billionaire…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 11:48 PM
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You flair says husband material and this comment seems to contradict that claim....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 11:37 PM
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11 years is a long time to not be living together...but if you're happy with it, that's fabulous - 11 years is a great run :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 11:32 PM
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Yes, the actual ages matter more than the gap in many respects...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 11:31 PM
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I've known several couples with significant age gaps - 2 come to mind where the women are 10 years older than their husbands and two (my grandparents) with a 10-15 year age gap with the man being older. They are successful relationships where the only problems to do with their age gap seem to be the opinions of others on that age gap at times...they all seemed pretty happy with each other to me. 10 years is not a lot really, I don't see any problem with it. I think it's when there's a gap of a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 11:30 PM
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Being morally/religiously opposed to something kind of isn't a choice....If someone believes abortion is murder, then having an abortion is hardly a choice...should they have put themselves in the position of maybe getting pregnant? No, but people aren't always the smartest when they're in lust.... Do you think women should be forced to abort if the man doesn't want the baby? How about men who don't want the women to abort, but she wants to? I've always felt really sorry for a man in that situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 09:02 PM
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So are women's when it comes to initially getting pregnant... Scenario: I have an ONS or am in a casual relationship with someone. We use condoms and I'm on the pill. I've never been pregnant or intended to be. I find out I am indeed pregnant and I've only had sex with this one guy in that time. So, now I have a responsibility I didn't ask for and can't pay away....I have to make a tough decision. It is going to cost me both financially and psychologically to make this decision. The guy says he …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 07:38 PM
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Personally, I prefer to dress relatively modestly - but that's probably because I'm not very body-centric or body-confident. I don't feel it's right to dictate to others what they should or should not wear, but I am of the opinion that wearing shorts/skirts that don't cover your butt cheeks fully is pretty tasteless...I don't think it's 'slutty' per se, just lacking class and showing yourself to be quite vain. Those aren't attractive traits to me. I feel the same way about men that walk around s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 07:21 PM
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Responsibilities aren't always voluntary. A woman who gets pregnant hasn't done so without the involvement of a man and potentially it happened without her choosing to become pregnant. There is no way a woman can give up that responsibility once she is pregnant - she has to make a responsible choice: either abort the baby, or carry it to term. Neither choice is risk-free or easy and both have financial consequences (as well as physical and psychological ones). Why should a man be free to side-st…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 07:12 PM
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This is accurate. There are many different shades of red - just like there are many shades of everyone else, despite what a lot of reds say....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 05:19 PM
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I think everyone smiles in social situations - it's a hardwired social expression. If you're not smiling it could be because you are anxious, depressed and don't want to be there. Therefore there's an element of 'fake it till you make it' to bring out a natural behaviour that's being suppressed by your negative state of mind at the time. I'm not saying someone should be super-smiley if that's not natural to them - but not smiling at people you are trying to engage and socialise with isn't natura…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/17 08:40 AM
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Thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 11:48 PM
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Well, part of it is effort and part of it is intuition and just being naturally a bit 'different'...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 10:42 PM
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Yes, some take it very literally as absolutely every woman is irrefutably and irredeemably like that! I guess Most Women are Like That doesn't make such a pleasing acronym!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 10:41 PM
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Is that impossible? I believe I can transcend nature in many ways - and I have - what's so hard to believe about that? The human mind is a powerful thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 09:46 PM
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The problem around here can be that when you don't fit into aspects of AWALT or say you try not to, you're not believed and dismissed as a liar or self-deluded. Like: "yeah, you're like that, I know all about you because AWALT and I won't believe what you say/take you seriously because AWALT...." That's my problem with AWALT!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 09:45 PM
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Yes, some of his characters are effeminate but I don't see him as effeminate outside of his characters...28 Days Later obviously was not effeminate at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 09:31 PM
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I'm biased because I grew up the daughter of an artist and am a creative person myself. I guess I value creativity highly because it's a way of expressing individuality and sharing it with others. It can make people feel less alone and unusual and can make strangers feel strong emotions or make people think about issues they wouldn't otherwise contemplate. I think gaming can be stigmatized because a lot of people who don't know much about it think it's mostly violent and have read the studies ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:49 PM
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His behaviour is not effeminate in interviews, he seems to be a pretty traditional family man and he has a deep voice - but he has played transgender very well on a couple of occasions. He certainly makes for a compelling looking human overall!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:33 PM
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This is a very good post OP! I have thought about this too and try hard to keep my relationship with social media casual. I was into gaming from about age 10 to 12 but then lost interest in it for some reason.... Unless you make a business out of or are hugely successful and influential in social media and gaming, they are pursuits that tend to physically isolate people from each other and can encourage/validate some pretty base behaviors and emotions in people (superficiality, vanity, bullying,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:15 PM
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People will be able to read your poetry and perhaps listen to or at least remember the music you played - they are objective skills that have longstanding value. Lifting weights can hold you in good stead into your old age (but isn't really comparable to being creative).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 07:53 PM
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It's silly. Many countries have legalised prostitution and I haven't yet seen any negative results of that...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 06:24 PM
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Both should be legal, simple as that. They both need to be regulated to minimise abuses as much as possible, obviously. Prostitution, done right, has no victims and nor does abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 05:56 PM
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Very true!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 05:49 PM
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Yes, absolutely. Showing you care about others and have empathy is genuinely sexy. Makes me want to reward you ;) It shows you have a strong moral compass and a drive to help others. Much like the opposite is true if a man is cruel to people or animals. Never, ever sexy!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 05:48 PM
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Do you think of women you aren't attracted to as 'normal people'? Or are only men normal people to you? I think if you start seeing women as 'normal people' you might find we're not all so interested in dancing monkeys and are not as hard to engage with as you think... I'm not going to lie, bubbly people are more attractive by and large - because they seem more engaged with others and less boring. But, I tend to steer clear of the most extroverted and exhibitionist types because they overwhelm m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 05:41 PM
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I have a feeling many guys here wouldn't see it though (because he's not a big, muscly 'Chad') - or would assume it's because of his bad-ass character in Peaky Blinders...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 04:00 PM
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I know, it amazes me how many people argue that women's sex drives are just as high as men's - it's so obviously not true!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:53 PM
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Yeah, he does have a sweetness to him which is actually refreshing for a 'tough looking' guy. Idk, I just don't find myself thinking about him after the show ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:50 PM
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You're right about Russell Crowe - he was handsome early on, but he looks really rough now...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:49 PM
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Anson Mount is very handsome, same with Elba - but I don't get the love for Craig....
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:48 PM
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I don't personally think George Clooney has ever been that handsome....Sean Connery kind of, Pierce Brosnan, no....If I need to think of someone from days gone by it's hard to beat Paul Newman Mads Mikkelsen is absolutely alluring and handsome, but in an unconventional way for sure. Lee Pace is somehow both conventionally handsome and a bit quirky at the same time... Henry Cavill is very conventionally handsome, but somehow lacks the 'it' factor... Cillian Murphy is completely unconventional but…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:47 PM
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I second Sebastian Stan! Ricky Whittle is also handsome, but he bores me for some reason...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 03:31 PM
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I think Emilia Clarke has nicer features. But if we all found the same people the most attractive the world would be rather visually boring!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 07:04 AM
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Here is one Personally, I don't find her stunning. She's pretty for sure, but not one of the most beautiful women I can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 09:53 PM
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You can't prove to me that female nature is horrible, immoral and that woman are only good when society pressures them to be. It's not a matter of whether it's unwelcome or unpleasant, it simply isn't truthful or factual. I'm perfectly willing to face the truth, but you're not providing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:20 PM
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Kelly Brook's body in her prime is ideal to me. But face-wise I think Jennifer Connelly is gorgeous (and her body was amazing before she lost so much weight)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:58 PM
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It's a fact there are no good women except those moulded by social restraint? It's a fact no women have a moral code? It's a fact that female nature is 'horrible' to quote the person I originally replied to? Those aren't facts, they're opinions...and yes, they're misogynistic. You're painting half the human population in a very negative light by saying they have no moral code, are horrible by nature and are incapable of being good without being moulded into it by society (men, I guess you mean, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 06:32 PM
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Of course there are measures in place for many of the problems facing women - doesn't mean they aren't still problems. And yes, it's worse in many countries - again, doesn't mean there aren't real issues facing women in the West as well. And there are also many issues that men face that need to be addressed and taken seriously. I don't believe one gender has it easier than the other overall - and we need to be supportive of each other and move forward to the betterment of everyone. The divisions…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 04:59 PM
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The draft doesn't apply in all countries and some countries draft women also. Really? No obligation to avoid hitting men? I didn't know that! There are inequalities in reproductive rights that are unfair to men and should be addressed. But we can't ignore that women bear the lion's share of responsibility and risk in reproduction...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 04:07 PM
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Women are far more likely to be victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. Women are catcalled and sexually harassed far more than men. Breastfeeding in public is still taboo. Women's products routinely cost more than men's - from menstruation-related products (which in some states and countries are considered non-essential items and taxed more highly) to hair products and basic clothing. Women can face some pretty harsh dress codes for work that can be painful (like a requirement to wear …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 04:01 PM
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So I can't respect or admire a man without wanting to fuck him? And in fucking him he's obviously no longer just a friend...And any man who calls himself my friend actually wants to fuck me? (That's news to me - why don't they say something, why am I supposed to read their minds?). Justin Bieber is something else. I don't agree with the women who get all thirsty for any man who is famous/infamous - but I know they're not in it for friendship. They want his status by association. I feel a bit sor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 03:19 PM
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I'm not in the US and not all of this applies to me. How do women have fewer responsibilities by and large? Which rights do we have that men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 11:48 AM
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Are you being serious? It's amazing how screwed up some people are around here. No good girls, no exceptions? Only created by social restraint otherwise we're all horrible humans beings? And people say misogyny doesn't exist....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 09:17 AM
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Most women (myself included) don't look at men as only prospective sex partners or LTRs - we can meet a man and see him and respect him in a platonic way. He then becomes a friend that we do all the normal 'friend' things with - which sometimes includes leaning on (in negative phrasing: 'taking advantage of') someone else and being leaned on ourselves. We do it with female friends, we do it with male friends. We are not assuming the guy is only being friendly because he hopes to get sex - if tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 09:08 AM
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This exactly. I have friendzoned men without consciously doing it because they didn't make their intentions clear and my default setting when meeting people is making friends not prospective relationships. I don't view men differently than I view women in this respect - if I get along with a guy, we become friends. If he wants more than that, he should put it out there and not just act like a friend and seethe inside that I 'friend-zoned' him. When some of the men here talk about friend-zoning i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 09:01 AM
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Most of the men on RP are not reasonable people then as they do deny women face issues and like to say that we have it easy in life - some deny women have ever been disadvantaged or oppressed. I think you are right about the rest - feminism is not about 'equality' anymore. A good chunk of it is about making life better for women by shitting on men and ignoring that men have problems too - some of which have been caused or worsened by feminism. If these women were truly the caring, justice-seekin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:53 AM
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Yes, this is true. Mention feminism here and the only definition of it in many minds is the most extreme, anti-male, communist-leaning group you can imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:44 AM
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I agree that more focus needs to be on women's problems in many third world countries and it bothers me greatly that many modern feminists waste their time and influence ragging on about unimportant or virtually non-existent issues and ignore the huge amount of women around the world that are oppressed, abused and disadvantaged. I hate it even more when feminists are openly anti-male, but at least where I am, that doesn't seem to be very common (ignoring the problems of men is more common, but o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:28 AM
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I have caught myself doing it and it is honestly unintentional. I try to moderate it, because I recognise sometimes it's hurtful and comes off as manipulative. But for me, it is 100% not a conscious effort to undermine, manipulate, confuse or be hurtful. I think sometimes men take it too seriously and they need to recognise that this is just a 'female' type of thing and not some part of a malicious game or plot. When men see it like that it seems to me they are reflecting their own nature - I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 10:25 AM
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I'm not judging everyone who decides to go braless - but I know I personally couldn't do it easily in public. I mean, if it's just a nip around the corner to the shop, I could do that - but wearing most clothes without a bra just doesn't feel right or look right to me. I wish I was more free and easy about it - but the mocking comments towards big sagging boobs (even by my own parents) has made it seem quite socially unacceptable to have them out there unsupported. Most of the women I see who go…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/17 08:32 AM
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This, as harsh as it sounds! Some boobs are meant to be free, some need scaffolding....I was a C cup at 12 and an E now, they have never been anything but uncomfortably, distractingly, disjointedly oscillating when braless. Size and composition matter in boob freedom. As uncomfortable as bras are, having big girls jiggling and swinging free is uncomfortable AND embarrassing!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/17 04:34 AM
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It's just so sad...but if it's legitimately the only way these guys can have sex, then so be it. I would rather they could find a real woman - but I know that's not an easy thing to make happen across the board. Sex toys are one thing, but this is a whole lot more than a vibrator or fleshlight. Some men will legitimately see the doll as a companion, which is all kinds of unhealthy. My knee jerk reaction is that these men don't want the human that comes with the sexual orifices - they don't want …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 08:54 AM
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They do, but I think they do it more for their own enjoyment with their friends than for finding a partner. Often people are on social media as well looking for the next match... Anyway, I'm not saying that way of dating has ceased to exist, more that it has declined.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 04:55 AM
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I just don't follow your train of thinking, it's not logical to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 04:47 AM
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Ok, we have different experiences. No problem :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 10:37 PM
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So your argument is basically without a belief in God or a higher power we can't have morals? Interesting, but I don't agree. Let's just agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 10:36 PM
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It's just human empathy...there's no opinion about it. I don't think it's not right to murder someone I know it's not right because I have empathy for that person. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that unless you don't feel common human decency and empathy.... You really think if we didn't have 'Christian' (I assume you know other religious beliefs have morals too) morals we'd all go around murdering, raping, burglarizing and torturing others? Some people would sure, because they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 09:04 PM
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No, you can't justify it in any empathic sense - it's not possible to be empathic and think it's fine to kill someone to take something they possess, because you disagree with them or because they wronged you. Would you be okay with someone killing you for those reasons? Flip it around, put yourself in their shoes and it's the same conclusion - not moral/right/justifiable, whatever... So empathy is meaningless then if you don't believe in God?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 08:17 PM
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My dad always says the most beautiful human is a woman - and so is the most ugly!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 08:13 PM
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I've seen a man who needs to be nagged to get anything done for the good of more than just himself (my dad) - so a 'nag' isn't always this kind of unreasonable woman who is trying to make life difficult for the man... Also, I'm talking about Asian wives I actually know - and they are pretty quiet and subservient (at least in public) - I don't pretend to know what's going on behind closed doors. The guy could be pretty 'naggy' to her about sex and how she looks as well...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 08:12 PM
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How is murder obviously wrong? Ok, I'll bite...well, for starters, you are depriving someone else of their life. A human being who has their own hopes, loves and emotions. Ending their existence for your own selfish reasons is unjustifiable, unless they are trying to end yours first...then it's not murder, it's self defence. But I feel this way about animals too, so I'm likely too far down the empathy road for you to understand if you really only believe murdering a human is wrong because 'God' …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 08:08 PM
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I know this isn't aimed at me, but I certainly have thought a lot about the morals of euthanasia, suicide and abortion. I don't need a religion or God to help me reach conclusions about those things. They are incredibly complex questions, but basically I believe euthanasia has a place in a moral society, as does abortion - suicide isn't really something an outsider can be moral about... How is having morals as an Atheist or other non-Believer hard to understand? How are the reasons 'weird'? It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:18 PM
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Yes, this is how I see it - I think it is from the Bible originally (though I'm no Believer): Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. Seems pretty logical to me and a reasonable way to live your life while affording others care and respect...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:09 PM
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I don't believe I have crypto-Christian morality, but I have empathy which is the basis of my moral compass. It doesn't need to come from anyone else but yourself. There are many morals that everyone can agree on because we have empathy, others are certainly more to do with religious philosophy or social acceptability.... Some RPers seem to think that anyone who says they have empathy or adheres to a moral code is 'virtue signalling' which is incredibly cynical - of course people do it, but not …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:06 PM
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Why is this directed at me? How is having empathy/having a moral code 'coddling emotionally disturbed wishes'? True, morals change, but I think empathy does too - it gets valued more or less in different societies and times. I'm not actually sure it was ever considered moral to shoot someone for calling you a liar - socially acceptable in some parts, maybe, but not truly moral. Sleeping with a black man, yes, certainly was widely considered immoral (and in some places still is) - this is not onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:58 PM
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You specifically stated >I think if women really experience what it was like to be a man from clothing to being one physically they would run back to being a woman in a heartbeat. That seems pretty clearly to be saying you think men have it harder than women and we're lucky not to be men. I didn't say that about men at all. I assumed you were saying there are stats that support that it's harder for men...so I said there are stats that could be used to argue it's harder for women. Anyway, we obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:32 PM
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Very well put! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:00 PM
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It's not the only factor, but it's a big one. I think in the past socialising in parties, pubs and bars was just so normal for everyone and really the only way to meet prospective partners - now there's a lot of online dating and for some that's too impersonal to bother with, for others it becomes the only way to date. Swiping through photos takes all the 'vibe' out of it and makes it devastatingly superficial - if you are actually out meeting people, you have more to judge them on as a dating p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 03:46 PM
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No I'm not because I simply listed aspects of being male that I sometimes envy and actually ended it with But I still don't think they're born with it all inherently easier/or harder - it's a mixed bag. You're the only one claiming life is easier for one gender..... There are stats that stack up badly for women too...I stand by what I said, it's not possible to objectively quantify that life is easier on either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 03:23 PM
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I think it could be the case for some men, sure. I've known quite a few men who have gone to work in Asia and come back with an Asian wife. Usually she is not as educated as they are, not from a wealthy background and doesn't speak good English. Often they are very boring (although this could be the language barrier...) He is definitely not marrying a woman like that as an equal - it's certainly 'marrying down' in the sense that they're not intellectually on a similar footing (and often she's mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 01:44 PM
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It didn't make much sense to me. I find it pretty unimportant how people look...it's how people behave that matters most and a certain intuitive 'vibe' I might get from them. I think personally I've seen more men place higher value on the way a woman looks than women tend to do with either each other or with men. It's a well known fact that men tend to be more visually motivated, so it makes sense. I think after I posted a photo on another sub it changed some of the attitudes to me from some mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 01:19 PM
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That's how you see it...we can't really know what it's like to be the other gender, so this whole argument of who has it harder is pure biased speculation. What is hard to you may not seem hard to me and vice versa. There's no way of quantifying it objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 11:50 AM
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Well, I have listened to many strangers stories and found them moving and honestly don't remember what they looked like. Can't say their attractiveness, age or gender had any effect on how moving I found their story. Humans are humans.... I have been on the receiving end of both the positive and negative effects of gynocentrism/lookism. I've had men take me both more seriously and less seriously because they see me as a sweet, somewhat pretty girl. Depending on what I'm talking about it changes.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 07:39 AM
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Yes, we agree then :) Some 'ordinary' faces can be beautiful - it's the 'spark' inside that turns someone from ordinary to beautiful (and sometimes vice versa I've found).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 07:02 PM
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I try not to be, lol! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 06:04 PM
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I agree. The men on TRP are a pretty unfeeling bunch when it comes to their fellow men (and obviously women). They are very cynical and seem to champion Dark Triad traits - it's no surprise they aren't interested in the morality of trying to get women from 'loser' guys who aren't Alpha enough to keep them in line.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 06:03 PM
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Yes they hit it - but differently. Basically it's not better for either gender over all, is it? Both sexes have their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 05:54 PM
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I've never been on a date. Still other things that are more important to me. But I know I'm unusual that way. I've just always felt that until I'm really sure in myself, I shouldn't be pulling other people into my life - and potentially having to be pulled into their shit. I had a friend mess me up pretty good with her mental breakdown and I didn't have proper boundaries....dating kind of scares me, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 05:52 PM
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Yes, the lid is the cover...anyway, I think we basically agree. Seat and cover/lid should be down regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 04:53 PM
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Fair enough. Though food is important to me because I'm a foodie and love cooking...air is freely available and important obviously. Dating is not so important because there are great things in life that don't revolve around sex or even other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 04:52 PM
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You're ignoring my hygiene reason - it's not all about what's most convenient.... Sure, men will use the seat a lot less than women, but they're still gonna flush, right? Seat down is the way to go then. Not about sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 04:49 PM
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Well I'm not educated in the schooled sense of education, so I guess I don't get it. I'm curious and analytical, but some of this just strikes me as too devoid of heart and soul - like it's too 'head-educated' and lacking fuller thinking. I don't know, I'm an emotional person so the cold, transactional approach doesn't resonate with me. I'm totally aware that I'm not a STEM thinker or in the least bit on the autism spectrum, so sometimes I think that explains why I find this kind of article just…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 04:47 PM
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It's not, because men also use the toilet seat as well, so more people use the seat overall than the rim....Also, hygienically for the whole bathroom, it's better to put both the seat and lid down. Cleaner overall as the water doesn't spray everywhere. And everyone has to pick up the lid in that scenario, so it doesn't disadvantage men in particular. The best case scenario is to have a urinal for the men...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 01:39 PM
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I grew up always seeing toilet seats down in my family - my mum always felt that it was more hygienic this way as when you flush water droplets spray out and spread bacteria, actually turns out to be a fact, though I'm not sure she knew the science behind it at the time! Lots of people leave the lid up, however. I think it's pretty rude of men in shared toilets to leave both the lid and seat up. Obviously no one who sits down (to pee or poop) actually sits on the rim, so it's only ever used by m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 12:56 PM
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I'm not seeking validation, to answer your deleted comment from earlier - I'm being honest about how I see things. I don't care how the world sees me, certainly not as much as I care about being true to myself. If you can't accept that this is true to myself, then I can't change your mind. If it makes me fragile in your eyes, so be it. There are many good men, but many don't seem to think of themselves that way and many around here seem to think being a good man is synonymous with being a weak o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 12:47 PM
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Agreed. In a relationship you spend most of your time talking to someone, sharing experiences with them and socializing together. What they look like is not paramount in any of that - unless it matters massively to you that your friends and associates think your partner is physically hot. Faces matter a lot more than bodies to me, because you spend most of your time with someone looking at their face, not their physique. But obviously even that doesn't matter much if that person isn't compatible…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 11:26 AM
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Being born with a vagina and female reproductive organs is only an advantage if those things are highly valued in society - they're not so much in the West anymore. It also has the downside of being somewhat short-term, so once menopause hits you suddenly become less valuable no matter what you do or have achieved in life outside of your sex organs. Men can continue to be considered attractive well into their 50s and 60s, but that's a niche fetish market when it comes to women. Men never have th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 10:09 AM
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You were making it sound like all women have it easier than men at everything. With dating, yes, we have it easier - but that's not really the most important part of life in my view. I think it is for many men though. I've always envied men in the way they are born without facing 30+ years of periods and hormonal fluctuations, being judged by that fertility and the physical beauty makers it entails in youth and the responsibility/expectation of childbirth and child rearing squarely on their shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 09:11 AM
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So men don't need a woman to be a person to share life with - a supporter and carer through thick and thin? He only needs her to have a healthy uterus....?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:57 PM
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Isn't success a pretty subjective thing? Success is achieving your own goals and fully realising yourself as an individual. I don't know what constitutes male or female success simply based on gender...what does it mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:54 PM
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Yes exactly! Women are not lying when they answer those questions, but our answers seem to reveal a wider range of attraction triggers than the men asking the question expect - therefore, we must be lying! It's stupid. Also, yes, a lot of the time those questions seem to be motivated by 'if all the women say they like this in a guy and I can get this too, then I'll be more successful with women' What they should be reading into the whole thing of women being attracted to different traits is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:49 PM
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Why do you think women are born with everything they want I hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:42 PM
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Yeah, you'd have to kill off the ruling elite men (and the few women in that group) if you really wanted the make the world a better place. Simply randomly executing half the men on earth wouldn't improve anything, it'd be a tragedy leaving behind a lot of grieving families and wasted potential. You and your devils....can you strive to be an Archangel instead of just wishing you were one? I want to see you believe you are better than a devil :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:40 PM
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This is sad, but true - although I'm not sure most people are self aware enough to recognise their base animal selves or their weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:34 PM
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Is arranged marriage an answer to this? I've often thought it doesn't sound like such a bad idea.... And how are women the drivers of inequality? I don't get that. Aren't men picky too about who they'll marry?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:31 PM
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I don't know, man, you'd have to ask the traditionalists that question! I guess it has to do with religion - it was seen as dishonourable to have relations out of wedlock. Privileges such as inheritance after the partners death, being able to make medical decisions as their next of kin, asset distribution in divorce and child support, etc. Being legally married entails those things, but a 'common law' marriage often doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:25 PM
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The sort of work women did was usually very poorly paid - like in a factory, etc. Few women were able to be educated enough to allow them to take on more skilled work - and it was socially frowned upon for women to work in middle and upper class circles. Working class people often needed both genders to work and didn't have access to education. It was a hard life for men and women and they were all trapped in poverty. Much like many are today. As for the higher social status of being married - i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:21 PM
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Why so hostile?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:11 PM
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It made sense in that it provided women and men with a socially acceptable framework for their relationship and privileges under law for them and for their children. It's not the same today. It's socially acceptable to have sex and LTRs out of wedlock and children too, and the laws are such that it's not hugely advantageous to be a married couple any more - although it still does grant some legal privileges that people should be aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:18 PM
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Well, I did read the OP - just not the huge text in the link. I think I read enough to entitle me to an opinion, otherwise OP should have posted the entire text or required all of it be read before commenting....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:50 PM
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Ok, I get that. My standards aren't that high and lots of women around here tend to reject the 'Chad' look that is put forward by RP - not that they listen to us, because apparently we either don't know what we want or we are lying (or both).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:43 PM
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Ok, the small text thing was a weak excuse - I know how to make it bigger, I just can't be bothered! Maybe I'll feel like reading it all tomorrow, but from the summary, it doesn't sound like there's going to be much there that I will truly find absorbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:42 PM
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No - just not pretty, as it's a word I associate with girls, right or wrong. And there's a middle ground, you know, most men fall between handsome and ugly...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:40 PM
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So which approach to gender relations do you think is the right way to look at it? An individual approach. We are not all the same with the same desires and motivations. Think outside the box, question your own innate response to things and think whether they are truly good for you and others or simply a knee-jerk, superficial reaction or something society/peers expect of you. What do you mean? Isn't it the very "transactional" analysis that you mentioned that makes marriage comprehensible in ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:39 PM
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Good, you sound reasonable :) I don't think of all men or RPers as buff guys, but they do seem to have high standards for what women should look like, but then get upset at women's standards for men...seems a little hypocritical at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:26 PM
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I have never argued that men have it easier in life than women - never. I'm not a misandrist, but I do recognise that it exists. I do reject the barrage of blame women seem to get on RP for practically everything that is hard for men though.... I critiqued what I read and was honest in not reading it all. What do you want me to do? I could speed-read it I guess, but I'd probably still draw the same conclusions. It's based on things I don't fundamentally agree with or really see the importance of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:24 PM
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I'm not sure being 'pretty' makes you want to fuck a guy either - it's not a sexy word!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:13 PM
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Since he was accused of rape or before? Never been a fantasy of mine, but I can see the appeal to others - 'normal' looking guy with a big dick who is sexually aggressive. I haven't watched much of his porn, but he always seemed a bit too aggressive and disrespectful to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:13 PM
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Arnie has a big head, which helps his proportions - but honestly, for me, he's too ripped. I don't find this look a turn on - it's too manufactured and micro-managed. [this] (https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233470089/886/1249886.jpg) is preferable - or even [this guy] (https://68.media.tumblr.com/897af091e4da08836e55a90fd8880643/tumblr_nmz2l43CmA1qkc9jco1_500.png) They're rugby players - they'd work out in the gym, but a lot of their musculature comes from playing the sport and isn't fundamentally …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 09:09 PM
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OMG - what kind of life do the guys who write these things have? Theorising and rationalising human behaviour and traditions for hours and hours and coming to conclusions about how things 'should' be, how feminism and the female imperative have screwed it all up, how it's so unfair that women aren't as thin as they used to be or won't be giving a man enough of their 'peak' beauty... I haven't read it all because it's too long, in small print and just not worth the effort - I'm sure it's filled w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:58 PM
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He doesn't look ridiculously bulky - but the arms are maybe a bit disproportionate, it's hard to tell from the angle...can't tell about his legs...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:38 PM
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I basically said that further down - we're all disposable in this day and age, whether you procreate or not is meaningless. I didn't know whether this question was about how any argument could ever have been made for men being more disposable, or whether it's about a modern argument in the civilised world. Obviously if it's the latter, there is no argument for men being disposable - they simply aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:30 PM
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Why is nice worse than pretty? I think being called a 'pretty boy' is meant in a bad way a lot of the time - like you're more boy than man. Being a 'nice' guy is not meant in a bad way at all, as far as I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:08 PM
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Your prerogative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 07:18 PM
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Women thrive on manipulating men into committing crimes for them. WTF? Is there any male behaviour/unhappiness/failing you can't blame on women somehow? Your thinking is so warped against women. I don't know why you'd think higher rates of rape would result in overall female unhappiness and therefore lower rates mean we should be happier? Doesn't compute for me...rape isn't that common after all, so its effects on wider women's mental health are pretty small. I wouldn't be surprised if you thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 05:02 PM
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I don't get it!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 04:43 PM
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I know it's stupid - but it is an argument as to why men might be considered more disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 04:42 PM
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Women are now fighting in wars too, so that one doesn't completely hold up. I also think many men want to fight in a war because it's a way of proving their masculinity - I know my dad always felt he missed out on the initiation men go through with war because his father had fought in WWII and always used that as a way of putting his boys down for not 'knowing what it's like to be a real man'...sigh... The only way I think of men as biologically the more disposable gender is this obvious fact: y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 04:01 PM
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I'm not sure I completely agree with you there (I do prefer a bit heavier than him) but his body in that is a hell of a lot better than those body-builder strong-man types with biceps bigger than their heads...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 02:36 PM
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I'm in the UK right now, but I'm from New Zealand. Don't know much about tinder, so I wouldn't know what the most in demand race is...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 02:31 PM
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Lol, most of those 'rate these men' posters have little idea of what most women actually find sexy in a man - they project their own man-crushes on to us!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 02:09 PM
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Yes, Asians and mixed-race certainly seem to be his bag. Lots of make-up, heavily styled and petite-but-curvy too - certainly well above the average woman's figure and style. They all look a bit pornstar to me. Not many women like that where I am, but Asians are the most common race worldwide, so he's being smart there!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 02:04 PM
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You're right - average women are invisible to most RPers - they only want stereotypically hot chicks. That's why they can't wrap their minds around many women's responses to 'rate this guy' posts where we don't all call the most muscular guy a 10....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 02:00 PM
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I don't think it's across the board normal for women to be aroused by images of sexual violence or the presence of a strangers erect penis...but I don't have any stats to back that up, just my own mind and intuition. I don't think most men actually find the idea of a totally unwilling, terrified woman who they must force and subdue very appealing, do they? Would most men routinely rape women if it was acceptable in society? How would that work anyway, men tend to be protective of 'their women' -…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 01:55 PM
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Yes, I agree with this. We're all expected to be like men now and most women aren't good at it and our strengths are hugely undervalued. Sad :/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 07:45 AM
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The main thing is to not be trying to be someone else. Don't be ashamed of the things you are most interested in or passionate about, even if it's not 'cool'. I'm certainly more attracted to genuine, natural people than people who look and act like one of the crowd. I know people around here laugh it off if you say 'be yourself' but it's true that it's more attractive to lots of people to not be fake, even if it makes you a bit of an outsider in normie circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 07:36 AM
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I don't know about the average man - these women are all stereotypically very well above average. Judging how 'easy' these women are based on photos is impossible. Around here women seem to be criticized for having very high physical standards for attraction to men, but if this represents the type of women the average guy thinks he should be getting with and shouldn't lower his standard below, then this is certainly only wanting 'Stacy'....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 07:29 AM
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I'm the same. I'm not one for putting a lot of time and effort into preening myself and I certainly see it as being more of a 'girly' trait - so I couldn't handle a man that prioritises it...I also like the 'natural' look (and in my experience, the really good people I know are the least-preened ones) - the less make up, hair products and fuss the better. But hygiene is a must, of course...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 08:37 PM
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Didn't you say something about manipulating/pressuring women into becoming addicts in order to better control their mate choice? That's not the same as choosing to do it now is it? Oppression is using a system of power to disadvantage people, cause them distress and limit their options - I'd say implementing some plan to get women addicted to hard drugs constitutes that...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 06:30 PM
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The Dove ads are selling something totally different - they are not saying those women are sexually attractive to men. They're selling products to women regardless of age, colour or size. Something like Victoria's Secret is really mostly for men/telling women what men find sexy. They are pretty cookie cutter 'engineered' examples of female beauty. There are many companies like that. There are plenty of average Joe looking guys in normal ads that aren't about sexiness where I am - it certainly do…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 06:25 PM
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I disagree. But I'm not only thinking of casual sex - women generally don't think of that first and foremost. If it's only going to be a ONS, then sure, how a guy looks is pretty paramount I would imagine - but even then, you want to have casual sex with a guy that seems at least stable and safe, right? So behaviour/personality comes into it however you spin it. And women generally, at least from my experience and observations, do find a man more/less attractive the more they know about him. May…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 04:50 PM
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I'm not saying it excuses it, just that it's not worth getting worked up over. Most RPers are not so (openly) misogynistic and those that are are often bitter about recent failures with women or experiences being screwed over. I tried debating with samurai before and got nowhere, he's not worth paying much attention to because he's not thinking rationally. Maybe it's not a phase, but from his particular comments I think this level of pessimism and misogyny is bitterness that will likely dilute h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 01:09 PM
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A lot of what Samurai says is disturbing - he seems very much in the bitterness stage of RP - hating women for not making sex/relationships easier for him. I wouldn't take what he writes too seriously. I don't believe there's an easy solution to making sex and relationships more accessible and male-friendly. It never really has been, as far as I can tell. Women are naturally choosier than men - it's just a fact. Whether it's only being attracted to 20% of men I don't know - seems low to me - but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 08:36 AM
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I don't agree that you can't find someone more attractive after getting to know them. I think you can also find someone less attractive after getting to know them. I've met men like that - very physically attractive, but their behaviour/conversation ruins that all. I've met men who have not been an instant physical attraction, but their behaviour/conversation has turned that around. Why are you so sure it's a fairy tale? Seems like you are seeing woman's attraction from a male perspective - they…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 08:13 AM
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I have never really seen this pushed by women - it's more often pushed by men who seem to get all fuzzy about the female creatures they lust after and feel protective of. I think it's true that many men see women as childlike in a sense - cute, naive and in need of protection. But also very sexually attractive obviously. Many grow up loving their mothers deeply and feeling they owe them something for their 'sacrifice' (I mean, it's a biological imperative natural to basically everyone to put you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 07:48 AM
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My parents for one example. My dad was a late-comer art student and my mum was a well paid accountant when they met. He had nothing to offer her money or status wise - she was attracted to his creativity and mix of masculine and nurturing traits. He was good looking and a rugby player, but nothing really high above average in their peer group. She was completely unglamorous, unphysical and a feminist - she certainly didn't fit the perfect GF mold! They waited 10 years after marriage to have me a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 07:42 AM
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32 out of 36. I think the female eyes were harder to read because of all the make-up....
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 09:45 AM
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I think a lot of people are shocked at first - especially if you haven't really heard of RP and some of their more extreme ideas. The knee jerk reaction is to preach all your most PC mainstream ideas and not engage with the more extreme users. But I think it's important and very interesting to engage with people who have very different views - it teaches me things I don't know and makes me think more abstractly and deeply. I don't think that's ever a bad thing :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:55 PM
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What kind of posts would you like to see more of? What constitutes quality debate in your view? I haven't been here that long, so I'm curious as to how it used to be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 06:20 PM
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Nothing pathetic about it - pamper yourself! I make food for myself too for special days because I generally prefer my cooking/baking to most restaurants or other people's cooking. Revel in being a talented cook, it's not something everyone can do. Happy Fathers' Day :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 06:18 PM
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Yes, but not many people give a shit if they are 'ahead' of the other gender....Being a pity or desperation fuck is humiliating and downright hurtful. Getting sex from a man who is ashamed to be seen with you, is so sad and not validating, imo. I'd rather be celibate. As for getting a relationship, lowering your standards if they are unreasonable is all well and good - but lowering them to men who are ashamed of you is hugely self-defeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:23 AM
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In the States I think this is true. In the UK it's used quite a lot (in comedy and throwaway comments) and certainly not considered as offensive as the n-word, as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 06:26 AM
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Personally, and I don't consider myself BP or read it often - but I don't believe 'the one' is necessarily a myth, I just think it's unreasonable to expect it as a given that we all will 'find the one'. I think it can happen, but it's certainly not the norm. The transactional element is something I don't like because I'm not a 'transactional' sort of person. I don't keep score in my friendships or my interactions with strangers and I don't see the need to in relationships. It's a mindset that do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 08:11 PM
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Granted I don't read BP or RP much, but when I do, I don't see BP selling anything but 'the most extreme views of RP are harmful' They don't seem to be saying you can get unconditional love with no effort, etc, they don't really say anything other than opposing RP...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 04:32 PM
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I'm certainly totally put off by the RP representations of Chad Thundercock because, honestly (and arrogantly) I think I'm too smart and 'special snowflake' for that. I need someone I can discuss the big questions with, someone who loves art and music and is preferably as deep thinking (or more so) than I am. Someone who spends a lot of their time perfecting their bodies and 'game' to get women is unlikely to fit in with me. It's not impossible a 'Chad' could have all that and still look like an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 03:05 PM
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I didn't know about Operation Northwoods - thanks for the info. You're right, it's far too easy for 'them' to get away with this stuff because of the stigma against being a 'conspiracy theorist'. Most people simply don't pay that much attention or give a lot of thought to these things, and that makes us sheep with the wool over our eyes a lot of the time. Hardly anyone seems to be awake. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 02:51 PM
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Of course it's not normal behaviour - for anyone! I can't believe you'd think that...Then you contradict yourself by asking if there are any other cases out there - well, if it was normal behavior for women in regards to men, there'd be a lot of cases, right? There aren't. It just doesn't happen often (thank goodness). What makes you think it's 'normal' for women to encourage suicide, be psychopathic and so cruel? This case is extraordinarily sad and I'm glad she is being punished - I hope her s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 02:48 PM
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Yes, someone believing in this type of non-mainstream knowledge is not the same as being a conspiracy theorist. Too many people immediately think someone's a kook because they know about things that seem a bit out there, but are factual - they're just not well known. I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all, but I definitely believe there are lies and coverups perpetrated by governments and large organizations (like the Catholic Church and child abuse, for example) around the world. I think people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 02:35 PM
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Lol, yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 08:00 AM
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What's your 'game' then? As soon as I hear 'game', it makes me suspicious that maybe a guy employing it let's that slip sometimes - that's not attractive to notice someone is using a PUA technique in you...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 07:58 AM
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And it's his to think and judge a lot without nuanced understanding...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 07:56 AM
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That's a pretty positive kind of tease though...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 07:55 AM
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It is? News to me....and that's because of women? BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 07:55 AM
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I think his voice is sweet and unique - not a great voice, but because of its uniqueness it's not unattractive I think. So don't be hard on yourself - I certainly don't mean to say in this post that a man must have a low, smooth voice to be attractive to me, simply that it's a bit of a 'thing' for me and I wondered if it was for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 07:54 AM
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Demons are selfishly motivated, right? They don't do things to benefit a whole, rather themselves and often they do things to deliberately harm others because they enjoy seeing suffering...that to me is bad, yes. Ego is good as long as it's positive for more than just that individual. I don't see men as being more selfish or individualistic than women when they are powerful (and I mean powerful in a pure, 'energetic' way, not a materialistic/superficial way - which is the most common way, i.e. d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 09:01 PM
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Thinking, yes, understanding...I don't know, he doesn't seem like he understands it to me, but that's my opinion...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 08:01 PM
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I hadn't thought of the highest man as being demonlike - that seems rather unfair on men!? Men can be just as altruistic and compassionate as women. I guess if we're talking the purest expression of masculinity and femininity it makes sense - but that would be terrifying! It reminds me of Galadriel's speech in The Lord of the Rings about having the ring of power instead of giving it to a man: "And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 07:38 PM
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I get that. As I say, I think voices are deeply imprinted in our memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 07:30 PM
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Thank you for the good wishes :) I agree, I know that my emotions and physical health impact how much I eat and how much energy I have for exercise - so getting my mental and physical health better kind of go hand in hand. If you are truly healthy inside it is (usually) reflected on the outside - focusing on just what size you are/want to be and how others perceive you is missing a big part of the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 07:29 PM
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I get what you're saying and I agree. I have lost weight on my own, but it would be nice to do it with someone else. I am not part of the 'fat acceptance' movement - but I also oppose people who think shaming fat people is helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:47 PM
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Awww! Sorry he's not in your life anymore - I assume his voice was only a part of his allure, but voices live on a long time in our memory (more than looks, in my experience- I remember the way my grandmothers sounded more than I remember how they looked...)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:44 PM
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But he says there are very few who attain this - I take that to mean the majority of men are higher than the majority of women by far in his eyes. It's BS either way - the highest type of human is a thoughtful, compassionate and hard-working visionary with a view to improving our world. This could be male or female - most ideally both feminine and masculine working together harmoniously. One is not better than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:41 PM
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Aurally motivated, I think - me too :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:35 PM
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Yes, that's true. The female voices that are loved in India are usually very high pitched - almost Chipmunk-like! But in my experience with Indian men, they tend to have higher voices too. It's relative I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:34 PM
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Yes, true!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:32 PM
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Perfect comment. I completely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:16 PM
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Seems like a lot of ignorant and bitter hatred for women to me. It's hardly balanced. Nietzsche isn't exactly known for his balanced opinions though... I can see how men thought like this in the past when they barely knew women outside of their immediate family and spouses and also women had a very limited education and freedom or encouragement to be themselves or be more than breeding stock...you could make horrible generalizations about men too based on a limited knowledge of and interaction w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:15 PM
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In what way is saying women are 'at best cows', 'cannot yet have friendship', are 'enemies of truth' and 'sick and inconstant' and 'conspiring against men' putting 'pussy on a pedestal'?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:07 PM
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I'm not too bad, I've had plenty of compliments on my looks, so I'm not terribly insecure about it - and I only get winded when my allergic asthma plays up! Otherwise I'm actually pretty strong and fit. It's comments like 'women who can't be called skinny are in fact fat' that get to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 05:57 PM
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Yeah, I'm not sure exactly why deep voices in women are considered sexy when it is more aligned with testosterone - deeper or huskies voices seem to have a widespread sex appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 05:52 PM
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I think in order to be considered feminine with a deep voice you have to look and act more feminine. My mum has a very 'mannish' voice and is often mistaken for a man on the phone, but no one would think she was male to look at her or her character. It's still been a sore spot all her life though...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 05:48 PM
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I've heard some Kiwi's being interviewed and can completely understand why foreigners would find them almost unintelligible - they mumble a lot. My dad is a big mumbler and people often have ask him to repeat himself. Thankfully I speak much more clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 04:52 PM
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I'm likely just hypersensitive to the anti-fat comments because I am fat - and I know I'm fat (not a 'land whale' though) and I'm not proud of it or thinking it's a positive, I just don't think it's as much of a dealbreaker as some seem to think. (I don't mind fat men as long as they're not morbidly obese). I don't want some fat fetish guy though who thinks it would be great if I got fatter...yuck!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:51 PM
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It sounds to me like she made a mistake too - they both did. His cost him more (emotionally and financially) as he was obviously much less experienced than her and he flew all the way to Stockholm and rented a place, etc. I don't believe she deliberately used him to boost her confidence or something - she was likely as hopeful as he was that the chemistry in person would be enough to get over any shyness. It's sad it happened that way, but he especially sounded naive and she sounded like a bit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:47 PM
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I would actually, but I'm a bit of a traveling vagabond right now and not in the US, where most of the guys here are. Also I've been told by enough RPers that being overweight is an absolute no-no, so I'm guessing I'm outta luck with any guy who wants to/does live by TRP...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:30 PM
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Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:28 PM
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You're very decisive about it :) You sound like the perfect RP woman with your hypergamy...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:27 PM
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Her voice is hugely annoying! Vocal fry (Kardashians, shudder...) is also horrible to hear...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:25 PM
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That part with Aziz Ansari is brilliant - "it's completely different: 'where's the car - where's the car' - lol! Not a good example (deliberately) of the difference, except they say the Kiwi one a little flatter (which is often the case with Kiwi accents - kind of monotonous). Btw, the word different is a great way to tell Kiwi and Aussie accents apart actually, Kiwis tend to make it sound like 'duh-ffruhnt' and Aussies like 'dee-freent'...Even as a Kiwi, I can mistake Kiwis for Aussies and vice…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:23 PM
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He has a great voice!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:48 PM
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You're right. I know the former Chancellor of the Exchequer here in the UK, George Osborne, took lessons to change his voice because it sounded pretty high and weak (not great for debating in the House of Commons). Seemed to work quite well for him. A lot of actors have amazing projection if they have worked on the stage - they have to so they can reach the whole audience. I saw Ralph Fiennes in a play last year and his voice was incredible. The younger actors seemed to shout, but the more exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:47 PM
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Yeah, they're just a bit inconsistent I guess. Because some of the actors are Scandinavian, others are North American, British - the main actor is Australian...hard for them all to sound the same. I just have an ear for accents/languages so I tend to notice all that stuff way too much, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:45 PM
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I certainly don't think it's so important anyone should risk their health to deepen their voice - or make their muscles bigger. You're not a 'pussy' for rejecting steroids, you're intelligent! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:43 PM
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Very interesting! Attractive accents definitely vary a lot from country to country. Being from New Zealand, I don't really like Australian accents (to quote Flight of the Conchords: "it's like an evil version of our accent"!) and some British accents are downright unpleasant (some are great though). You're right though, they could be a dealbreaker but not a dealmaker - I certainly wouldn't change my mind about an otherwise unattractive man just because his voice was good. I find lisps distract m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:42 PM
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Interesting...it can definitely subtract for me, but not necessarily to the point of losing all interest (unless it's a really terrible voice).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:35 PM
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I can understand that. It generally isn't a priority for you, but once in a while there'll be voice that just draws you in or pushes you away? Sounds reasonable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:34 PM
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That there are...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:33 PM
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Ok, good for you. Do whatever makes you feel more empowered - that's good for everyone :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:33 PM
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I would say most don't care about voices as much as I do - they're more motivated by what a guy does and how he behaves and to a lesser degree how he looks/dresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:32 PM
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Lol, ok, I'll try watching it again. I did try it once but found all the makeup and fake-looking hair a bit off-putting - not to mention some of the accents...I'm kinda picky about this stuff :/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 02:31 PM
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I get it. Mila Kunis's voice is quite odd and I don't like it myself. I think you must be an aural rather than visual person, me too :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:32 PM
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Of course they should, but what's that got to do with faking your voice?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:31 PM
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I don't watch Vikings, but looking at clips I think Rollo and Björn are hotter than Ragnar...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:30 PM
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I agree. I've never followed football, but he seems incredibly overhyped compared to those other athletes you mention. Shouldn't be in the same league as Federer at all....Federer can truly hold a conversation and sounds very intelligent and charitable also, as well as being one of the greatest tennis players ever (maybe the greatest) - Beckham just seems really boring, mediocre and dumb (not to mention money hungry and attention seeking).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:21 PM
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Oh yeah, that guy has a great voice!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:17 PM
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Why did you intentionally try to sound weak? Strange thing to do - testing them I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:16 PM
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I think that's a nice accent actually. I don't hear the high rising terminal so much as the up and down cadence of the accent (sing-songy, if you like). It's very different than talking quite flat, but rising at the end of virtually every sentence...Aussie and Kiwi accents can have a monotonous quality (especially Kiwi ones) so that upward inflection sounds especially grating to me in those accents.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:16 PM
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Yes, I agree. Deep is not better if the tone is poor - smooth/harmonious is the kind of voice I guess I like most. That character in your link is like that - not a deep voice, but a pleasant tone. By weak I mean mumbling or wavering I guess. Resonant is a good word for a pleasing voice I think. I also agree that it's not the be all and end all, no one factor is. But the voice can make a man more or less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:11 PM
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It's interesting how some people here say it doesn't matter to them and others are like you and feel it's quite important. I think it's to do with how aural an individual is generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:07 PM
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Lol! Yes, people sound deeper when they first wake up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 01:05 PM
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I might give that a go thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 12:15 PM
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Fair enough. I am not so motivated by a deep voice that I will reject a guy that doesn't have one, but I would definitely be put off by a guy speaking like Mike Tyson..
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 12:15 PM
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I'm very aural, so I'm sensitive to loud noises and background noise - I'm always the first to hear a phone, or a knock at the door or a dog bark/cat meow - just hypersensitive really. Music wise I do like baritone and bass voices - but I have very eclectic tastes, from African folk music, to opera to heavy metal and old blues and rock...I'm not into most pop music, I find it insipid. So yeah, I appreciate strong voices, but mostly I appreciate good tone to a voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 12:12 PM
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Lol - I've had similar comments. My dad has always flinched like I'm going to hit him if I get upset or excited - I get loud! I also squeak really high and piercing when I get a fright, again, people have flinched like I've hit them. It's funny, but does make me self conscious sometimes. I think soft spoken is pretty appealing in both women and men - it just seems more reassuring and calm I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 12:08 PM
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Very likely...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 12:05 PM
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I know - would have made more sense and less people would have known what it meant, which would be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 12:05 PM
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I'm biased because I'm from New Zealand and we are always taking the piss out of each other over our accents and how they differ. A lot of Kiwis do it now too, so that annoys me. It's not like a hard turn off though - just a little bit grating... Where are you from?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 12:04 PM
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Ok, you seem pissed off, lol...It's actually more than his voice that turns me off and it's not entitlement to not find someone attractive... I'm simply stating one factor that women might find attractive that men don't seem to care much about - as we have lots of posts here asking what type of men are attractive to us that are all to do with muscles, basically. A voice is just as superficial a thing to have on a 'wish list', but I haven't seen it discussed here before. I'm not trying to make wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 11:58 AM
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I don't like bossiness...but a deep commanding voice, yes!!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 11:00 AM
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Lol! Very much a turn off!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 11:00 AM
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True. He is pretty repulsive to me, but the fact he's a celebrity will put him on many women's 'hall pass' celeb list.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:59 AM
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Yes, I do not like the sound of my own voice, but others say it's good and I should be on radio or tv or recording poetry because of it...I honestly don't like it very much, but that's often the case with people and their voices. It just sounds very different in your own head I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:57 AM
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I have a very loud voice and sometimes feel a bit 'unfeminine' because of it. It's not particularly low, it just resonates...I always sounded mature for my age, that's for sure. I think I'm quite an 'aural' person, so voices are important to me - it's interesting to see that's not the case for many others here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:54 AM
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True. There's also the 'high rising terminal' common in Australian English - ending every sentence like it's a question. Very annoying - and commonplace in many different accents, especially among younger people. And the 'like' thing is hugely annoying too - as is saying 'um' every second word....
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:51 AM
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Yes, you're right, it's highly dependent on other attractive traits. I'm just curious to see how many people value it highly or don't care at all. Bass voices are generally pretty commanding and somehow soothing too. Southern accents can be hot, but not all of them are...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:47 AM
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Haha, that's cute! It's not a bad voice honestly... Zadie Smith does have a great voice - very strong and intelligent. The Nanny is so annoying as is Michelle Wolf...I don't find them attractive women, but then I'm not attracted to women in general, so I can't really pass judgement on how fuckable they are...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:45 AM
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I'm sure your wife is telling the truth. :) Yes, any kind of voice that is overly husky or breaks frequently is annoying on anyone. Monica Bellucci is a good example. Hugh Laurie (the actor from House) doesn't have a great speaking voice - especially with an American accent, which is often more nasal anyway. He can sing however!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:38 AM
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Haha, yes, David Beckham also seems like a characterless moron, which makes him markedly less attractive. But lots of women think he's hot, so I guess it doesn't matter to everyone.... I hate that he has a tattoo that says 'Let them hate so long as they fear' (a favourite saying of Caligula and tyrannical assholes everywhere) - awful enough saying to begin with, but he was going to get it done in it's original Latin, but decided against it because it's 'Oderint dum Metuant' and has 'dum' in it..…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:33 AM
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You think so? Interesting. They all have very feminine figures, but yes, their personalities seem less feminine than some I agree. My mother has a very masculine voice - to the extent that she gets mistaken for a man on the phone - but she's quite a feminine woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:29 AM
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I agree with you, but I would definitely put myself in the category of having a very high harm avoidance (not to the point of paranoia, but...) but also not really into competition and I definitely see a man as his own person and don't care too much how high he stacks up in comparison to other men. I am very feminine in some ways, but not in others. I certainly never see a photo of a man and get turned on - unless I know a lot about that man's character, voice, etc. Just an image is not enough t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 09:12 AM
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Lol, I kind of like you and all your questions - maybe they're a big ask sometimes, but it's nice to see someone so inquisitive and not 100% set in their ways and sure their opinion is the superior one :) I'll try to answer as best I can, but I can't really answer them all in detail. 1&2 Can't answer - I have no N count and don't really care about them. 3 I honestly don't believe this is an easy question to answer. I would say it's equally hard, but in different ways. You can't say life is easy …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 08:12 AM
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I echo the sentiments of most women here. I can show you pictures of guys who are a 10 for me right now - but that changes because their attractiveness is never solely physical - it's also about what they do, how they sound (the voice is so important!), what character they play in a film, etc. At the moment [http://www.festivalphoto.net/Konsert/20130717_Arstidir%20%28St.%20Kotryna%20Church%20-%20Vilnius%29/images/20130717_Arstidir-St.-Kotryna-Church-Vilnius_1587.jpg] (this guy) is a 10 to me bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 07:46 AM
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There are women involved in those aspects of life now too. Not as many as men maybe, but they're there as their numbers are growing and more girls are attracted to and excel at the sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 07:05 AM
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I was going along with the gathering resources line...to say that women do not contribute to their family or society as importantly as men do is blatantly false. To say women are basically parasites to men is misogynistic and false. Neither gender could survive and prosper without the other. One is not better than the other - we are equally important, but not the same. Simple common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 09:51 PM
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Oh okay, I get it by that definition then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:13 PM
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Based on those photos of him posing and shirtless, no? If he was in normal clothes and his profile was interesting, I would, yeah. Doesn't mean we'd hit it off - but I don't find him that ugly, seriously. But I never swipe right on gym-bodies, so I'm a bit unusual I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:12 PM
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Oh, the old with us or against us trope...What's wrong with being on the fence about something? I mean, in most ways I disagree with RP, but some aspects of it make sense and intrigue me, so I can't be staunchly against them. I've also had this discussion with atheists because I call myself agnostic. They're like: 'pick a side!' and I neither believe in God, nor believe there is no God (I just think we can't know) so I'm on the fence I guess. It's not an unreasonable or cowardly place to be - it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:00 PM
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I've been called witty and sometimes accused of having 'brutal logic' - I think both can exist in one person of either gender. I'm certainly attracted to those traits in others and love insult and black comedy. I think wittiness and logic are manifestations of intelligence and that is attractive to many. Some men seem to find intelligent women less attractive, I guess it's threatening in some way (or masculinizing maybe?). Some women love intelligent men, but also some would take a physical type…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 07:44 PM
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You're saying men provide the resources and women suck that up like parasites (babies are basically parasites)? That's ridiculous. The San tribe in the Kalahari are still hunter gatherers and the women do a lot to support their tribe. They gather most of the staple food and water while the men go out to hunt - sometimes not coming back for days and sometimes coming back empty handed (and sometimes getting injured or dying too of course) The men and children are dependent on the women too - the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 07:28 PM
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What's so bad about that guy? Aside from seeming like such a try hard, he's not truly ugly to me....
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 07:05 PM
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The only negative that comes to mind about dating a bi person is the insecurity that maybe you, being one gender, won't be able to satisfy them sexually long term - or maybe that they are hyper sexual and less likely to 'settle down' in a monogamous relationship. But that's all supposition as I don't know any bi men or put much thought into dating one.... In terms of pure casual encounters, I don't see it necessarily as a turn-off, in some ways it's kinda hot (and I theoretically like the idea o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 07:02 PM
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I saw that and it's not scientific, but it was sad to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 05:55 PM
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Ok, your experience is one thing and those women may be the rule and me and the women I know, the exception...I think bed hopping and 'spreading it' for Chad despite commitment to other men and their families is appalling. I'm pretty sure those women are not the norm though. Maybe some women don't have dips in libido due to their menstrual cycles, or yeast infections/UTIs that make sex painful (no matter how attractive the dick) - but many women do and it does legitimately stop women wanting sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 05:54 PM
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Well, I'm not in the US and prostitution isn't illegal here - so yeah it's possible men go to prostitutes without really trying 'normal' women first. I think the men who see sex workers are often after an experience they can't get with normal women or feel too ashamed to ask for. Men even pay for a girlfriend experience and many of those men simply feel more confident with a sex worker because she is going to give him the sex acts and affection he wants and he doesn't have to worry about rejecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 04:32 PM
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People may not be born fat, but they can born with a higher risk of becoming fat and into a family that is also fat and feeds them poorly. It's also not easy to lose it either. Anyway, maybe you're right, I don't have statistics about how many women find short guys a no-go...I hope you're wrong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 04:23 PM
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That is bullshit. You don't know what it's like to have a yeast infection, or vaginismus or menstrual cramps, do you? I rarely hear of men experiencing pain or discomfort during or from sex. The majority of men could have sex several times a day and reach orgasm each time and not be in pain after. Many women experience pain and discomfort with sex and don't orgasm every time. Very frequent sex will often cause aching and irritation that will make more sex painful. I suppose you believe that this…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 04:19 PM
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Well, guys make negative comments about fat girls all the time and yet when it comes down to it, many actually don't find heavier women as disgusting as they make out. Some do, but plenty of short guys get women and plenty of fat women get guys. Lots of women are not attracted to shorter men, that is completely true, but also plenty don't care - and there are likely some who see it as a good trait. I know it's easier to work in generalizations, but it can make things seem much more black and whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 03:44 PM
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Oh dear, well I haven't heard this from women personally and don't feel that way myself. I prefer men who are taller than me (I'm 162cm, or just under 5'4") but I don't hate short men. What an extreme reaction to have to someone because of their height...I can imagine for some women it is a deal breaker (just as being really tall or flat chested is for some men when it comes to women), but hate is a very strong term to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 02:27 PM
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Exactly. Suggesting that all the taxes (or even a significant portion) go only to benefit women and/or disadvantage men is laughable. Some of the men around here are just so determined to be victims of social democracy and/or feminism that they are wearing very thick blinkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 01:36 PM
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I think you're right that if a woman lacks confidence, she will find it harder to get with men. She might get male attention, but if she's really shy and insecure, she may not take them up on it or may be scared by it. Many men like women who are confident, smart and fun - and may prefer a heavier woman with those qualities, than a thin woman who is timid, boring and awkward. Most people like other people who are confident! It doesn't make someone dominant to be a cheerful, confident person so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 12:53 PM
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Muscular is preferable to skinny, sure - but super muscular (like the body builder in a recent post of 'how women would rate these men') had lots of women saying 'nope, too much, I prefer the skinny dude' and being told we couldn't possibly be being honest if we thought that...that was definitely those men thinking they know what women like, when it's actually more of a male fantasy to be a biceps-bigger-than-your-head hulk type than a stereotype most women find particularly alluring. My dad thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 12:03 PM
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This is pretty accurate. I find it off putting when men look really groomed - I mean beyond tidy hair and obvious hygiene. Lots of hair gel/boy-band cuts, obvious manicure, plucked eyebrows and an trendy fashion sense just puts me off. But so do super-ripped physiques that can only be attained by many hours in a gym...I think it's because none of this is important in my own life, so I don't tend to have much in common with people who prioritise their looks to such a large degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 11:46 AM
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Yeah, why is that? It's like they think if a woman put zero effort into her appearance she'd still be jumped on by dozens of guys (women like that exist, my cousin's wife can literally pull on a cheap stretchy dress with no underwear and put on flip flops and walk out the door and be hot - but she's a rarity)...just not true. Most women put quite a bit of effort into hair, make-up and what they wear - not to mention body hair removal, skincare, etc. I can barely think of a man I know who puts in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 11:41 AM
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Yes. Women get talked about like this too if they are fat or don't wear make-up or have frizzy hair or don't have the greatest fashion sense, etc. I was in a lingerie shop once and these teenage girls were in there playing with and joking about bras my size (i.e. E cup +) - it wasn't nice to hear them laughing about it like anyone who wore that size was a freak. I've overheard men talking about how tight petite Asian women are perfection, or only liking girls with small tits/or only big tits and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 11:32 AM
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Yes they are generally scripted and cringe worthy. But the character of the people taking part in them is just so off putting that it doesn't matter if they have the most perfect bodies and features, I would never actually be sexually attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 10:11 AM
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I think a lot has to do with personality and 'vibe' - looks aren't worth much if a person isn't also appealing behaviorally. I say this having recently seen the most awful reality shows that seem to completely disprove this though, so maybe it's just a few people who don't put looks first....those people are often pretty to look at, but also completely unappealing in their behaviour and views....sigh...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:28 AM
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Aren't men here doing that all the time too? Telling us we must be lying if we find a super muscular guy less attractive than a skinny guy, etc? It's kinda what this sub is based on - suppositions about the genders and the pills...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:25 AM
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No you're not automatically ugly because you're 5'5"! To some women, sure it would be a deal breaker, but you're not some highly deformed man just because you're shorter than average. You're taller than me - and the majority of women in the world. Don't be so hard on yourself because of your height - your self consciousness about it is probably more detrimental to your appeal than the height itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:23 AM
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Prostitutes (and ONSs - often facilitated by PUA tactics) exist for many reasons, but one of the main ones is that many men's sex drives outstrip that of the women they date/marry and some men can't tolerate this. Most women cannot have penetrative sex and orgasms several times a day - it gets sore and oversensitive and just a chore. Some men want sex very frequently (and don't have physical side effects from it) and expecting the same woman to take care of his sexual needs when it has gone past…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:18 AM
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This exactly. The RP men here don't seem to care that there are many physical reasons why a woman may not want to have sex as often as a man finds ideal - and they're not about losing attraction to him or wanting to make him miserable...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:03 AM
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Yep. This makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 08:50 PM
1

I agree with this completely! The corporations, politicians (often) and media have as much to answer for as radical feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 06:14 PM
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Well, I think a passing grab to the ass is not sexual assault, but I don't make the laws. Breasts feel a bit more personal, but again I wouldn't call it assault but rather harassment. I think some of the laws are precious and too PC, like many non-gender-specific laws are today. Just the way the world's going - and it's not just feminists leading us that way. Rape comes under the umbrella term of sexual assault. It's pretty simple and not misleading to use the terms interchangeably. As I said, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 05:34 PM
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Sexual assault includes rape is how I understand it. I don't think having your ass grabbed can truly be called sexual assault, can it? That seems more like maybe sexual harassment to me. Sexual assault can be vaginal/anal with a penis or object or fingers - it can be forced oral, forced handjobs or non-penetrative rubbing against someone. All of that comes under sexual assault as I understand it and rape is often used to described the penetrative acts, but seems to be used interchangeably by som…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 11:09 AM
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True. I guess it just doesn't help that sometimes they are almost glamorized. There are also lots of stories about women being assaulted, harassed and raped and that does make it seem more common than it is. I barely worry about it unless I'm alone in a city at night - which I rarely am. I don't blame feminists for this though, I blame the general news media and also all of us who consume it for being so morbidly curious about all the horrible things that happen to people. It's natural for peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 10:48 AM
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Lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 10:40 AM
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I for one am friendly to strangers and respond in kind when I'm approached. If I'm approached with friendliness, then I mirror that (regardless of gender, race, attractiveness, etc). I was approached by a man on a train platform who was coming down from a bad night on drugs and alcohol, had lost a lot of money at a casino and was heading home to face his wife. He was mid-twenties of Indian descent (he said people think he's Arab and can treat him badly because of that) and he was definitely bigg…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 02:13 AM
9

Who are these people who say men and women are the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 01:40 AM
6

This is exactly right!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 01:35 AM
2

Why is it so impossible to believe? What makes you think you know with such surety what every woman finds attractive? I sincerely find him to be the least appealing on the list - he's far too muscular and I don't like his tattoos or face. Yes, the others appeal more (though none of them are really that attractive) and I'm not lying. But you probably don't believe me, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 10:07 PM
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No 4 is the least appealing on this list for me. But for other women, who knows....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 07:28 PM
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There is not 'a lot of debate' about whether most female sex works have pimps - the statistics seem pretty universal that 80-90% of prostitutes have pimps. Most of them are not trafficked slaves, but most have some man (and I'm sure some women too) they are beholden to for money/drugs/protection. There is certainly a problem with sex trafficking - men (and some female accomplices) attracting rebellious young girls, getting them into drugs and then threatening them with violence and withdrawing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 06:07 PM
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It's more to do with the fact that more expensive hookers are less likely to have violent pimps or be trafficked and to have better health/fewer STDs. I don't have a problem with sex workers who control their bodies and decide who they give custom to themselves. I have a problem with women being used by a pimp/trafficker or being homeless or drug addicted and feeling it's the only choice she has to sell sex to support herself and maybe her kids...It's not about whether the man has money or is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 03:18 PM
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Well I don't do that and it holds no appeal to me. So, personally I wouldn't have much in common sexually with a man like that. Is it a hard no? Nope, I'd have to judge him for who he is, not for what he's done in the past - but past behaviour is an indicator we all look at in others. If I was a guy, I'd feel the same way about a woman who's been 'on the cock carousel' - it would give me pause as to whether they are suitable for a monogamous LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 12:46 PM
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Luck/good fortune is much more paramount in all types of life success than people like to admit. You can't control whether you are in the right place at the right time, meet 'the one', are born with good/bad genetics or into money...so much that makes people successful is actually not down to their hard work or learned skills, it's down to good fortune. I agree that you can lift all you want and try to play the game - but that doesn't mean you will pull in lots of girls or meet the love of your …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 12:41 PM
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If it was a real habit to go to prostitutes it would make me worry about their future fidelity and the type of sex they expect to have. Was it because they have a very high sex drive and/or get bored quickly with the same woman? Do they have a strong kink that they only felt comfortable acting out with someone professional (like a dominatrix, etc)? Did they do it once to see what it was like/gain some sexual confidence, or was it their main or only source of sexual contact with women? I would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 12:06 PM
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I feel like a bit of a perv for knowing what this is! But I think it would be incredibly rude to ask someone you don't know to wear one - I mean, surely their sensational experience will diminish a lot? If it's in an LTR and you wanna try something new, then I don't see the harm, but for a hookup it's incredibly rude and a guy who gets that request should just leave. It's akin to a guy saying a woman needs to clench the whole time or insert a dildo because she's not snug enough...extremely offen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 10:24 PM
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I think generally women are more aware of/intuitive to what others are thinking and this can make women more self conscious, which leads to insecurity. Also, the way women look is undoubtedly more scrutinized and prioritized than the way men look (not saying that is men's fault), so women will have more insecurities about their looks on average. Men are the gender that traditionally needs to be less neurotic and more assertive - they are expected, by themselves and by women, to be more confident…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 11:21 AM
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Lifts are a bit insecure - like women padding their bras (there are so many bras now that offer the appearance of 2 extra cup sizes) I can understand the man being a little disappointed when the bra came off....and I could understand the woman being a little disappointed when the shoes came off. Whether it's a deal breaker or not depends on how important those attributes are to an individual. I'd date him of he was attractive to me other wise, but I'd probably feel a little sad for him at being …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 07:56 AM
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Yes, I understand telling her (that is what I'd suggest) but you seem to be advocating not telling her and cheating anyway over something she said in passing but doesn't know has hurt you...it's a very manipulative POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 07:20 AM
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Yes, attraction is important but sexual attraction changes and when it fades, love doesn't suddenly end. There have been a couple of posts and comments lately where people can't understand still being in a relationship when the attraction is no longer a major factor. Sexual love is amazing, but it's not the only type of love that keeps people together.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 07:17 AM
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Why wouldn't he just keep his mouth shut then - then no need for backups? Shrug off the unwitting insult of an unknown turn off and keep going in the relationship....You're basically trying to punish someone by screwing around behind their back over something they don't even know has offended you....does that seem reasonable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 10:48 PM
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I was referring to a woman saying all rapists should be killed as being unreasonable - it is reasonable to not want to have a relationship with a rapist, not so reasonable to think they all need to die...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 10:45 PM
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Not is your average 21 year old man in my experience. And no, imo, the vast majority of 13 year olds are not capable of romantic love in the adult sense. Sexual attraction to their peers and experimenting with them sexually? Some are, but many are just too immature to understand the ramifications of their actions. I guess I mostly speak from myself and my peers at 13 and none of us were capable of love and attraction in the adult sense. Maybe 13 year olds are very different today - that was 20 y…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 09:57 PM
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Figs are pretty sensual :) Peaches are obvious...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 09:19 PM
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It's wrong to sexually engage with people that can't really consent - whether it be because of age, intellectual disability, etc. It's not a question if being 'different'. Lust is not an excuse. And you can choose to not pursue people that are too young even if you find them sexually appealing. Morally it's just hard for me to be okay with any adult having sex with a 13 year old....Could there be outlying exceptions with an extremely worldly and self-aware 13 year old? Possibly, but the vast maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 08:47 PM
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Finding out your BF raped someone and finding that a turn off is 'easily turned off'? Wow! What's a hard turn off then? Sex and love are not the same thing. A persons ability to love is not tied to how sexual they are or how sexually easy they are to turn on or off. Do you believe that when sexual attraction inevitably dwindles in a relationship that is the end of love also? Because you and I have different definitions of love if that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:55 PM
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Is it always predatory? Judging by many RPers it is, but they don't represent every man. And yeah, it matters a lot to go after a 12 year old girl rather than a 20 year old woman. When I was 12/13 I looked developed - I had boobs, hips was almost my full height, etc, but emotionally and mentally I was far more child than adult. Any man truly interested in me (not just in a fleeting way likely not knowing my age - but in a pursuant way) would be a grade-A creep in my book and not fit to be called…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:50 PM
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Maybe he finally realised just how creepy their relationship was and that he needs to sort himself out and step out of her grooming/controlling shadow? She's an awful person and he deserves a freer life. I doubt it's all to do with her being older/uglier/looser, that's oversimplifying a very weird 'relationship'.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:43 PM
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It would be most upsetting to hear that and if it's a serious enough turn off for that person, then it's a relationship-ender. I still think it would be worth talking it through because maybe it's not as serious as they made it out to be if they find out it's a trait possessed by someone they genuinely love? I don't see how cheating is the answer. It's a dishonest thing to do and how about if the next woman you love finds past cheating to be a deal-breaker (as many do) - what you gonna do then?!…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:36 PM
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I think she's being unreasonable, but I don't think she deserves to be punished or something for an opinion. I think people who think all Muslims should be banned from the US are ignorant and unreasonable, but I don't wish them harm or that their lives are unhappy or anything. That would be petty. Rape is an awful thing to do and can't be dismissed like it's not a reflection of a giant personality flaw (at the very least) - but personally I think most rapists (not serial and/or sadistic rapists …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:31 PM
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I have male and female friends, I admire male and female people. I can't imagine, nor do I really want to imagine, a female or male only world. It would be so dull in so many ways....Sure, it might still 'work' on some basic level, but it would be boring. Just as if the world had only one race, or one culture, or one ideology....
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:14 PM
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Thanks! To me 11-14 is still pretty much a pre and pubescent phase for most (many don't start puberty until 13/14), so Hebephilia is getting a nope from me as being very predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:07 PM
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Because love can exist without sex and attraction? It's not that hard to understand is it? People bond over time and over mutual interests, family, etc - and they care about each other - they stay together because of that love and loyalty. Have you heard of the elderly couples that die within a short time of each other? They literally live for each other and are deeply bonded, despite sex probably not being part of their regular lives together for a decade or more...sex drives decrease as you ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 07:01 PM
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Seriously, you've never heard about women ever risking their lives to save others? You're betraying your bias against women there. Look up Grace Darling for an example off the top of my head. Also Kirsty Boden, a victim of the London Bridge attacks was running towards danger to help people who were stuck down and was knifed herself - hardly an 'immorally female' thing to do... Men do it more often than women, for pretty obvious reasons (they're physically more capable of fighting others and they…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 06:51 PM
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I can't imagine being attracted to a 15 year old male. I don't think he's a child but I definitely think at that age sex should only be between people of a similar (let's say 2-3 year) age range. Overall I just don't think people under 18 are mature enough emotionally to engage in sexual relationships with people who are 21+. There are exceptions, but I think the majority will feel in hindsight there is an uneven quality to the relationship that is unhealthy. I don't think it should be considere…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 04:20 PM
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To me that just makes him more 'alpha' - he doesn't care what others think of his personal life, he's doing his own thing and loving who he loves, regardless of how it looks to outsiders. That's a true alpha to me - someone who has the balls to buck the trend and be true to themselves. If he was strutting around with a practically characterless younger ex-model he'd be a man-child non-alpha like Trump. It's kinda weird when he met his wife and all, but it's not a sign of weakness to me, quite th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 02:21 PM
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Here's my take on it. Women are biologically programmed to work together more - men are programmed to distinguish themselves. Women in the past tended to have to link together to gather food and look after children and the elderly while the men were out on a hunt or warring with another tribe. This seems to me to make it quite understandable that women tend to 'band together' and trust their own gender more than men. Men are also physically much stronger and can certainly be a threat to women. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 05:47 AM
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Yeah, because anecdotes from the manosphere won't be at all biased or rewritten to make the aggrieved party (men) feel better...come on! You don't know what her relationship was like and you can't know or judge it because your experiences and the things you've heard from other aggrieved men color you in such a way that you are unlikely to believe her no matter what she says. It sounds like you come from a place of 'men are mostly right and fair in relationships and women are mostly unfair and wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 06:50 PM
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Do men share their stories readily of screwing women over or being abusive, etc? People rarely own up to being really shitty to others - it's a natural defense mechanism to make out like you're the good guy, or the victim. You sound like you're trying to imply men are always the victims and are also honest when they do wrong - sorry man, just not true! We all tend to twist the truth in our favor....
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 06:42 PM
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I second singing - I love voices, so being a good singer is very attractive. Any kind of musicianship is a great talent to have that draws me in. Same with other creative talents like drawing/painting/sculpting/writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 06:32 PM
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It depends what you mean by attractive? Sexually? I honestly don't think the average woman's happiness hinges on sex as much as it often does for a man, so if the rest of the relationship is 'attractive' then I think a woman can be happy without being physically very attracted to the man she's with. Attractiveness and sexual desire also diminish with age in both sexes, so we'd all be very lonely for a large part of our lives if sexual attraction were the major reason for happiness in a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 06:26 PM
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Done! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:22 PM
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Not BP but I watched it and found it interesting and not too long! He seems logical and is not proclaiming one gender as better than the other. This is where I have never gotten along with the more radical feminists. I believe wholeheartedly there are differences in personality between men and women (and that the differences in physicality contribute hugely to them) - I don't really understand how you can argue against that. The differences are necessary and beautiful when we can use them to wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:21 PM
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The hookup culture leaves me cold. I don't care how good looking a guy is, I don't like the idea of sex without any possibility of an LTR. I think I'm probably not in the minority of women when it comes to that. It's only natural for a woman to find the idea of a hookup a bit nerve-wracking - we're just so vulnerable in that situation. I don't have anything against the women who are in touch with their masculine side and want to pursue hookups, but personally I don't think it's a benefit to most…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 02:17 PM
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Well, I watched it and found it interesting and not too long! He seems logical and is not proclaiming one gender as better than the other. This is where I have never gotten along with the more radical feminists. I believe wholeheartedly there are differences in personality between men and women (and that the differences in physicality contribute hugely to them) - I don't really understand how you can argue against that. The differences are necessary and beautiful when we can use them to work tog…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 01:43 PM
1

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 03:48 PM
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Open-minded and compassionate Physically attractive to me (doesn't have to be muscular or whatever, but is basically well groomed and has a kind face) Loves animals Is able to have intellectual and philosophical conversations - not too much of a difference in our intelligence Conscientious in work and life
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 02:46 PM
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What do you expect me to say? I didn't say I was an incel, not did I ask for sympathy. Just told it as it is for me and actually said I have no one to blame but myself. So I don't see why you felt the need to tell me I have no hope but can tell myself that if I want to sleep at night...seems like you enjoy putting others down, which makes you a jerk...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 02:27 PM
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Thanks for being a jerk about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 02:00 PM
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In Dubai it's less conservative than Abu Dhabi, where I've spent half my life. But both Emirates are becoming more and more westernized, for good and bad. They are respectful in some ways of women and disrespectful in others. Honestly I think the women who wear revealing clothing in this country are being disrespectful of the culture but they hardly ever get called out on it. And thankfully they are very safe from assault by strangers, for sure. Of course it's disrespectful of men to wear sleeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 01:58 PM
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Thinking it's a paradise for single women sounds like you think men and women view sex the same. Most women are not looking for extremes - either just ONSs or getting into a traditional marriage. Both would be relatively simple here if you are looking for it. Neither appeal to me. If you're a gold digger, look like a model and are willing to put aside a lot of your morals and insinuate yourself into local high flying parties, you might be in luck. But I've heard plenty of horror stories of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 11:46 AM
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What alternatives are you thinking of searching for? I feel weird in that at no point in my life have I prioritized or pursued sex or a relationship. I'm not asexual and am attracted to men, but maybe not enough to overcome my shyness or change my life entirely. In part I believe I think this way as I've been swayed by all the people who have told me that 'it will just happen, just stay open to it.' This is advice I think a lot of women get especially because traditionally men have been the ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 08:31 AM
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Ok I get it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 07:50 AM
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Sounds like a difficult place for women who are not 'Stacy' too? Not as difficult as for men, but still a challenging place to date. I didn't know anything about the Bay Area, so I looked up dating there and found this from a female writer Does it also resonate with you? I think you have it right, keep focused on making your life work in other ways right now and then move and find a relationship later on. You're not too old, seriously! I'm 33, female and a virgin who lives in a place (the UAE, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 05:03 AM
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Absolutely. It's pretty obvious to me that women do it (and men as well, with different cues). I don't do it consciously, but I've noticed it in retrospect (or if there's a mirror, lol!)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 03:56 AM
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To talk to them (like a casual conversation or them starting it) no. To approach them 'romantically', yes definitely. I would likely assume they wouldn't be attracted to me. Women get intimidated too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 03:54 AM
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I'm afraid a lot of people do the opposite...all though all babies are kind of ugly!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 03:50 AM
1

Good luck finding this laundry list. It's quite exhaustive! Not white or black? What are your reasons for this? If it's simply that your have a preference for your own race, I can understand that. But otherwise it sounds a bit unreasonable to discard two races...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 03:49 AM
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Men are clearly hormonal. Testosterone is the driving force behind male ambition, aggression and sexual desires. But I think what people reference when they say someone is 'hormonal' is that there is a surge or flux in hormones they are going through. This is more common in women as our monthly cycle means our progesterone, testosterone and estrogen levels change quite a lot: here is a short article about it. Men also have a hormonal cycle but it is almost entirely testosterone levels changing s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 04:49 PM
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I think men are naturally more wary of foreigners because biologically speaking, they are expected to defend their territory and women from other tribes. When I'm in a cynical mood, I think of it all like a Lion pride: generally one dominant male who has a 'harem' of females that do most of the cub-rearing, hunting and keeping their particular pride's 'culture' going. The male has only a limited amount of time as the sole breeding choice - eventually outlying, younger and more 'alpha' males will…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:28 AM
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Mostly I agree. Being able to share in interests is very important, as is conversation and being physically attracted to each other. Sharing a sense of humour is important too. But it depends what constitutes 'making you feel embarrassed in public'. This is something I hear men talking about when it comes to fat women - they'd have sex with her and might even like her a lot, but wouldn't want to be seen in public as they find it embarrassing...To me public embarrassment is being with someone who…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:09 AM
1

I agree about child support for most cases. But I do think there are times when a woman has been in an LTR, they've had a baby (often with the man's approval or even urging) and for whatever reason the man is no longer in the picture and maybe she was largely financially reliant on him - he should have some obligation to help pay to clothe, feed and educate his child, no? Especially if a paternity test shows it's his (which I think should be mandatory if a woman is legally seeking child support …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:00 AM
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that's what you just described though... How is that what I just described? I said women have standards - like maybe not wanting a 100lb or 400lb guy or a cruel man, or a hobo...that doesn't only leave Chad, does it? I don't know what your definition of Chad is, but it's not just an average guy right? More vulnerable? To what? I'd argue men actually take a greater risk because if pregnancy occurs you have various ways to get rid of the baby, when a male has no choice if the woman wants to keep i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 07:58 AM
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Well, I think I was trying to demonstrate that i can find skinny guys sexy and beefier guys too. Also, with Aaron Peirsol I'm influenced by the fact that he's an amazing swimmer and a really good person too from interviews of seen/read. He looks better here
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 07:07 AM
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Well by that logic, any incel who refuses sex (or doesn't fap to) a 300lb woman or a woman with no teeth and severe acne, etc is voluntarily celibate. If you take it to that degree everyone is voluntarily celibate. We all have some standards - yours may be very low, but I'm sure there are women you wouldn't do out there. Women tend to have higher standards in general because we are more vulnerable, have the risk of pregnancy, etc. It's not all about us having to find a Chad to bang otherwise we …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 07:02 AM
1

Lol! I don't cry at infomercials (don't think I've ever actually watched one) but I'll start crying because a plant is dying or literally no reason at all - just tears rolling down my face when I'm at home drinking a coffee or something....At that time it's best you run, or give a hug and then run, lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 06:51 AM
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This is true for me unfortunately. I don't get violent or truly mean, but I will cry for no fucking reason and I get clumsy. It sucks. Men are lucky they don't have hormonal surges/troughs like that...of course, not all women have such serious PMS...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 09:02 PM
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Men and women are different. The 'game' is different for each side, so fairness differs depending on which POV you have. women can get men with higher smv Tell that to the women who are prostitutes. Do you think they'd be selling their pussies if they could get the man of their dreams? Women don't prioritize dick the same way men prioritize pussy - it's just not the same at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 06:28 PM
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Women have many valid reasons not to invite strange men to have sex with them just because we're horny (or to 'out-incel' some guy on the internet...) Men have many valid reasons too...You may talk the talk, but I'm sure there are women you'd turn down if they showed up naked at your door...Not saying I'm necessarily one of them, but I'm sure there are women your dick wouldn't respond to... Here's a link to an old discussion about female incels from PPD And here's another one I think there are p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 05:04 PM
1

Even if they are fat and/or ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 04:12 PM
1

I think some men are more old fashioned and feel that if a man asks a woman out, he has to go all out to impress her. I think some men think by spending money they will have a better chance of sex. Others use it as a power play - flashing cash around to makes others feel inferior - men do that to other men as well. I don't have a problem with men paying as long as they don't expect sex in return and aren't using it as a power play. It's up to them if they want to spend their money, but it doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 01:17 PM
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First off, what does the idea of hypergamy have to do with prostitution? I don't get the connection. Secondly, I certainly agree that the average women has a lower sex drive than the average man - it's just common sense. It doesn't mean that women can't have high sex drives, or men can't have low ones, but on average, I think it's safe to say women's drive for sex is lesser. Men seek prostitutes for a variety of reasons, having a high sex drive isn't the only one. Thirdly, there are people that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 09:28 AM
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Yes. This is what I was going to say. People are fundamentally good and it's actually easy to be a good person, but a lot of people resist and push down their kindness because it seems like the bad guys win more in this world. Being a selfish, aggressive, competitive, callous person is financially and superficially rewarded much more than being kind-hearted, egalitarian and conciliatory. Dark Triad people hold a lot of power in the world and, in my view, the capitalism we have is very Dark Triad…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 05:31 AM
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this is hot - he's WR holding backstroker Aaron Peirsol. Swimmers bodies tend to be attractive to me. But I also find this appealing Basically I like athletic bodies, but not bodybuilding, gym-centric bodies. I like a bit of chest hair, broad shoulders and 'beefiness' (not too low bf %). That's from a purely visual standpoint. There's a lot more to attraction than that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 05:13 AM
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Yes, true. I think low voices are pretty hot for women too. Nasal, squeaky voices are so annoying it's hard for me to imagine men finding them hot!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 04:44 AM
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I don't know why but I find Jon Hamm's face kind of so-so. Same with Ben Affleck, George Clooney, Hugh Jackman - to me they are classically handsome, but not 'hot'. I think I like more 'unconventional' faces generally: Cillian Murphy, Sebastian Stan, Rupert Friend, Karl Urban...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 04:43 AM
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Yeah, that's a great film. He's a skinny, short-ish guy but very 'alpha' as they'd say around here!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 04:33 AM
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You've had to explain yourself so much here, it must be nice to find a fellow dad-farmer-bod mix appreciater! Rugby play bods usually get me going!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 07:28 PM
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Me too! He's short, skinny, and 'kinda funny lookin' but his voice, eyes and presence just pull me in....
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 07:24 PM
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Voices are so undervalued when we talk about men's sex appeal! Tom Hiddleston's voice is amazing, same with Benedict Cumberbatch. Cillian Murphy sounds lovely too. Lee Pace has gravitas and who doesn't like a bit of Tywin Lannister!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 06:52 PM
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Chris Pratt to me, even in his fat days, was beefy and appealing - Jon Hamm is not at all attractive for me! His body is just that of a pretty normal, lean-ish, hirsute middle-aged man...he's very classy though!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 06:28 PM
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You like them a bit older and hairier than I do, but I agree, the extremely low % bf guys are nowhere near as hot to me as ones with 'bulk' - that is muscle with some fat over it. this guy does nothing for me but this is much more appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 06:23 PM
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They're unappealing to me, both physically and behaviorally. I just don't tend to get along with people that prioritize their physical appearance to that extent. It seems like an addiction or body image disorder. I have a friend whose husband competes as a bodybuilder a couple of times a year and she dreads it when he has a competition coming up. It takes a couple of months of prep, and he gets moody, barely spends any time with her or their pets and eats unhealthy amounts of protein. I don't kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 05:12 PM
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I certainly don't think it's all about power or oppressing women or whatever. If we take the case of Ted Bundy, he was perfectly capable of having consensual sex with women - he had several girlfriends at one time and was very popular with the ladies - he had no trouble getting willing vagina. He did however have trouble acting out his fantasies with his steady girlfriend (anal sex, bondage, having her play dead, etc) For him, it was about wanting to possess a woman completely and he was turned …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 05:58 AM
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Bachelor parties with strippers are far more common than bachelorette parties with male prostitutes....Its more common today for women to have strippers at their bachelorette parties (though I doubt it's as common as it is for men to have them), but I hardly think it's common for either men or women to have sex with said strippers...and I think anyone would think it's pretty shitty behaviour to have sex with someone when you're engaged to someone else...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 05:43 AM
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It's despicable. Plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 05:40 AM
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I thought it was, but it's always hard to tell online! I wouldn't say I'm communist, but I certainly lean more towards that than the every deepening and dispassionate runaway Capitalism we have now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 07:13 PM
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I'm Fascist, Nazi, Christian fundamentalist. Wow, if this is true, it will always be very hard for me to see eye to eye with you then! I'm a Social Democrat and agnostic....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 12:57 PM
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I'm not a man, but I think you've summed up the reason behind women's propensity to enjoy rape fantasies very well :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 12:36 PM
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A) You're forgetting that plenty of women don't fit men's high standards either. We're not all Victoria's Secret-looking, insatiable sex gymnasts or 'feminine' enough for a lot of men! So-called 'high value' men hold out for their ideal women too, right? I mean, sure they might be more amenable to hooking up with a woman 'beneath their value' but they're unlikely to want a relationship with that woman, and she could end up broken hearted and lonely also. It's normal that people have certain stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 12:32 PM
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Ok fine, you don't want to believe that I can decide for myself what constitutes hate speech unless it's against issues I'm sensitive about? Can you at least point me to an SJ aligned hate sub because I'm pretty new to Reddit and don't know where to look for one. I don't visit those subs you mentioned, but I'll have a look. I am genuinely concerned about the amount of men that feel they are being targeted by hate speech and that there is widespread prejudice against them. I don't live in the US …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 12:12 PM
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I'm not misrepresenting your opinion, I understand it and I've been thinking about what you wrote and that probably the reason the feminists article doesn't seem as hateful is because she uses more moderate language - maybe that is a difference between men and women, women use more moderate language but maybe still have as much hate, and extreme language upsets us more. Her language in the article requires reading between the lines a bit to see the misandry. The 'single women are subhuman scum' …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 06:19 AM
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You really need to publish these! I don't agree with every one of them, but you're pretty spot on man :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:47 PM
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You're right about my use of the word hateful, I guess it would be more correct to term it prejudice. You have a very cynical view of things, which I try to avoid having, so I guess we just have to agree to disagree there. I'd be so unhappy if I went around believing everyone is just out for themselves and virtually no one has any true love or loyalty in the absence of 'downward pressures'. It might be true (and in my weaker emotional moments I believe it), but I'm going to believe it's not to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:29 PM
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I don't think women going to sperm banks is as acceptable as you are asserting...it's pretty sad to decide to go to a sperm bank and it's pretty sad to decide to go to a prostitute. Both should be legal, but I don't think either is ever going to be viewed as entirely 'normal' and healthy...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:53 PM
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Divorce rape is inevitable? Sheesh, I had no idea it was that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:31 PM
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This is beautiful :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:28 PM
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Wow, you are callous. So men are also to blame for picking bad women and getting divorce raped by them, etc? They deserve every shitty thing that happens to them because the woman they fell in love with must have always and obviously been a shitty person, right? I'm so glad you understand everything about women so well, there's nothing more for me to add... We obviously come from extremely different mindsets and are never going to make much of a positive impression on each other or change each o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:18 PM
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Thank you, I'm off! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 04:08 PM
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Haha! I'm from New Zealand and will be moving back there soon. I'm also leaving in a week to spend 3 months traveling and pet sitting in the U.K. and Europe, so you never know who I'll meet?! ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 02:21 PM
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I assume you're not one of the RPers that blames female victims of domestic violence or single moms (who don't just choose to be single moms for no good reason) for choosing bad men then? Some seem to say they don't have a right to complain because they chose those men in the first place. I do think you can alter some of your perceptions of what is attractive - maybe recognizing that just sexual attraction isn't enough to base a LTR on and there needs to be more to it than that (not an absence o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 02:17 PM
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I've spent half my life in a Muslim country and lived and worked with my parents for way too long. So, I'm socially pretty isolated and find it hard to 'put myself out there'. There's more to life than just finding love, but it's something I have missed out on so far and hope I haven't missed the boat for! I don't believe I have...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 02:09 PM
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Why not? That's sad you feel that way, but I doubt it's really the case. I've never been in love and I'm 33, but I haven't given up...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 01:39 PM
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What is so unclear about what I've written? I am not saying SJ hate speech isn't real or isn't truly hateful - I'm saying I don't know much or read anything about SJ or radical feminism, so I'd like some examples of their hate speech because you know more about it than I do. Why do you have to read manipulation in my words that isn't there? Here is an example of hate speech from a feminist that was posted here on Reddit a few days ago - and I agree it can be classed as hate speech and misandry: …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:59 AM
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That's how you define femininity? That's sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:02 AM
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Can you give me some examples of SJ hate speech that is more severe and violent than some of the more extreme TRP views? As I said, I'm not in the US or exposed to much in the way of radical feminism or social justice groups, so I truly don't see what you're talking about as much as you clearly do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:01 AM
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I'm not on a feminist or SJW subreddit, I'm on one specifically debating RP and BP...I also never said that I deny empathy to men who employ hate speech, only that's it's much harder to empathise with those employing hate speech and I don't understand why it's necessary to use those tactics. I feel the same way about any feminists, SJWs, etc that use it - it's hard to empathise with and I don't find it more acceptable for women to use hate speech than men to. As I am a woman, I guess I feel more…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 09:54 AM
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I respect everyone until they lose that right, I see it the opposite way you do. I respect animals also, and they can't earn it the way you put it. I presume innocence until someone is proven guilty, I assume kindness in people unless they act otherwise... I am a woman who respects men inherently unless they do something to lose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 09:32 AM
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Well, my understanding of respect is not fear, it's having consideration for someone's individuality and giving that space and the right to exist and be expressed. It's also admiration for qualities, abilities and actions in others. So respecting feminine traits is a perfectly valid thing and therefore this is a perfectly valid question.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:53 AM
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Very good analysis! There are a few good points and aspects, but the core beliefs are incredibly twisted and misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:45 AM
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God that is nauseating....
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:40 AM
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Why are you attacking me like I'm one of these feminists or SJWs? I'm not and I think I've made that clear. Truly hateful speech to me is saying all women are children, all single mothers are scum, all women are dishonest, women don't mean no when they say no, keep pushing until they give in....that's hateful. Criticizing feminism is not hateful in and of itself and I never said it was. I'm one that has criticized the actions of the Israeli government and been labeled anti-Semitic for it - which…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:20 AM
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I don't spend time looking at what feminists say online. I'm sure some of them are hateful and cruel, but that isn't a true reflection of your average woman. That's why I said I don't use 'man up' because find it sexist - nice how you skipped that part. Do you call people 'a pussy' because that's in the same vein. People should be stoic to some degree. You can't expect other people to solve your problems for you and you can't expect much constructive sympathy if you come out guns blazing aiming …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 07:13 AM
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Well, I think you're exaggerating that hate speech occurs and is accepted in all groups of feminists, SJWs, etc. It's certainly not something I accept or ignore (not that I am a feminist or SJW or have anything to do with them) and I don't see it as being largely accepted to use truly hateful speech against men. But I don't live in the US, so I'm not getting the full picture you might be getting. I agree that men have a harder time expressing themselves and being listened to than women because w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 07:02 AM
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Ok, but saying that the only woman you've experienced empathy from is your mother is not a measure of the empathy levels of all women. There are men and women who have abusive parents that don't go on to paint all men or women as abusive... In my view, it is hateful to class an entire group of people with negative stereotypes - whether they be women, men, blacks, hispanics, Jews, Muslims, etc - it's a lazy and negative way to view the world. Again, you're making very broad assumptions by saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:51 AM
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Thanks for not calling me a 'special snowflake' :) I think you've got it right. Although I think women also need to change in some respects. But ultimately we are responsible for ourselves and we're the only ones we can reasonably expect to change. Hopefully we can lead by example and encourage others to be better too, but you have to start with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:54 PM
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Yep, I think this is true. To me, femininity is often synonymous with weakness (maybe even especially in radical feminists' hands) and feminine traits are downplayed next to masculine ones. We're different, we have different strengths and weaknesses and one gender is not better overall than the other - we complement each other well and that's when life works best for everyone. Women should not be in front line combat if you ask me (except maybe as snipers or fighter pilots, because you don't rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:36 PM
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Very good comment! I completely agree :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:28 PM
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All I can say, is yes! I've seen this too and had a big debate with a couple of Terpers about how men have always had it worse than women and misogyny/oppression of women has never existed...needless to say, we didn't really get anywhere as they resolutely refuse to see the errors in their argument (and knowledge of history...) I know many men have suffered greatly throughout history and have been used as pawns in war, etc, but to truly not see the oppression of women in both history and parts o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:00 PM
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I don't live in the US, if that qualifies as living in a cocoon, then I'm guilty!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 04:51 PM
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Yeah, because risking addiction/dependency, increased aggression, sleep disturbances, testical shrinkage, gynecomastia, hair loss, acne and heart/liver/kidney disease will solve your problems with women...You're smarter and better than that I'm sure, there are other ways to gain muscle mass and boost your confidence and in so doing, be more attractive to many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 04:42 PM
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I said: "I don't see it very often at all" - and that is true from my POV, whether you believe it or not is up to you, but that doesn't make me dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 04:36 PM
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I think you have a good point and it's very sad. But I still don't agree that all women won't appreciate a man for his effort or ignore him. It's such a broad generalisation. Maybe I'm in a tiny minority, but I do genuinely care and do appreciate that some things are harder for men and that this loneliness many men speak of is real and very damaging. How can it be addressed, do you think? I do get what you mean about it being easier for women in that regard (and thank you for acknowledging the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 04:33 PM
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Well, I don't agree with it being acceptable to bash men and I honestly don't see the kind of vitriol towards men you're talking about very often at all... Well, I guess I'm a believer in 'if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all'...I don't spread around my anger about things in my life by blanketing others in negativity. The best way to stop being angry is to forgive and forget...and it's certainly not the best way to take that anger out on an entire group of people (w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 10:29 AM
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No you haven't, and thanks for that, but others around here certainly have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:53 AM
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I empathise with you about anxiety. I was diagnosed with generalised anxiety when I was 12 and have struggled with it ever since. And yes, you're right, showing others that you're anxious is usually not helpful - even if people are also anxious, they tend to dislike it because it increases their anxiety! I only find it helpful when someone is more anxious than me, because then I focus on helping them and being the stable one and therefore distract myself from my own issues, lol! To me it's logic…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:53 AM
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I came to PPD interested in the views of the different genders and of men who feel they are disadvantaged when it comes to dating nowadays. I went to TRP once and found it too extreme, but a lot of the posts here are also...I don't seek them out just to get upset/angry, they're just here and sometimes when I comment, I get some pretty upsetting replies too that I can't help but try to debate in the hopes they will see they are not 100% correct about women...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:44 AM
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It's not ironic actually. I don't accept or respect hateful arguments from anywhere - women, feminists, men, Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc... It's a bad place to come from if you want sympathy, debate and a way forward. If you're in the anger phase, I'd say stick to RP, MGTOW and Incel type subs. You're not in a rational place to be having real debates with people (PPD is a debate sub) and you're just spreading your pain around and hurting others who have nothing to do with it. I get hurt b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 09:11 AM
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Well I'm sorry this is your thinking. To me it's innocent until proven guilty. I give people the benefit of the doubt until I believe they have bad intentions. It seems to me some here believe the opposite and I get treated like a bad/dishonest person with no evidence to support that other than my gender. You don't think that's unreasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 08:35 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 08:30 AM
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You missed out the rest of that sentence - that when we do give sympathy, many reject it and say we're lying. I think it's unreasonable to want sympathy and then reject it when it's given. And I did say a lot of terpers not all...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 07:45 AM
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I have read it and I do think many people see it as romantic, even though it isn't meant to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 07:43 AM
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I agree with you. A lot of terpers seem to want it both ways - they say we're incapable of giving empathy and sympathy, then complain we don't try to give it - then when we do, we're just manipulating them and don't actually care. It's confusing and frustrating! I'm one that's tried to empathise, give advice and support (solicited and unsolicited) and had men deny that I actually care and tell me that I'm lying to them - and if I assert that I am being honest, apparently I'm lying to myself as w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 07:10 AM
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I am sick of extreme political correctness and am all for freedom of speech, even if it is offensive to some. My problem with true hate speech is it's over-generalisations of groups of people and that often it stirs up the worst in people and doesn't leave room for a grey area where a common ground can be established. Hate speech seems to me to be a lazy and juvenile way of articulating your views, with a view to simply getting a rise out of others. I don't know how you go about discouraging it …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:31 AM
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I had a freak out not long after joining this sub when I read several posts and comments asserting that all women are amoral, selfish children that are born to lie and manipulate men, have no empathy, don't know their own minds and will leave a man in a moment if someone better looking or more wealthy comes along...I talked to my dad and asked 'do so many men really hate women?' I was so upset, because I didn't expect such calculated and seemingly inexorable hatred of women... Those women are aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:24 AM
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Twilight is a big one for me. Soooo creepy and off putting. 50 Shades goes along with that as it's based on fan fiction about Twilight... Wuthering Heights isn't really as romantic as many think - they both seem to be out to hurt each other all the time...The Phantom of the Opera: he stalks and abducts her several times...Cersei and Jaime in Game of Thrones: they're twins and they push a boy out a window because he sees them in the act... Also any relationship that has a huge imbalance of power …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:08 AM
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I can't tell you that it's all going to be okay, but becoming a sociopath is definitely not going to make you happy. I'm sorry so many women have been horrible to you, but don't give up - there are kind people out there who don't think it's okay to shit on you! There's nothing wrong with being nice, but you have to have boundaries and also try to develop a radar for people that are just out to use you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:49 AM
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I'm so sorry about all this. They sound like awful people. Please don't try to be a sociopath... I don't know if you're an RPer that agrees with this, but I've read several comments from RPers that it's a woman's fault if she chooses dickbag men in her life and ends up heartbroken or abused or a single mother, etc...if you do agree, maybe you need to think about what kind of women you are attracted to and change it! I don't agree with it personally, I think you like who you like and some people …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:46 AM
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Many rpers seem to hate women for being born women...we're all the woman or women that hurt them, that's the problem I have with their stance...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:39 AM
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Yes, I do feel sorry for them, absolutely. I just wish they would find a more constructive way of working out their issues than making women out to be all round amoral, dishonest and selfish people...I've also tried very hard to be supportive and give advice to several men around here and on the Incel sub and been soundly told to piss off and that I'm just like all women and don't know what I'm saying, can't understand them (or myself apparently), hate men who aren't 'Chad', etc...it makes it ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 05:34 AM
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It seems to me that if you want and expect sympathy, you don't use hateful speech. It's a natural reaction to hateful words that typify your gender/race/religion/political stance to be defensive. That being said, I do see a lot of sympathy here when men talk about their experiences - but often they don't talk about their specific experience, they make blanket statements about women being this or doing that. How are women who do not feel they fit these condescending negative stereotypes meant to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 04:38 AM
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Not on principle no. It depends what it's objectives were...but I have no problem with promoting the virtues and understanding of masculinity or femininity as long as they don't seek to degrade or disempower others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 02:06 AM
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What on earth is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 07:14 PM
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Did I say I was a Marxist feminist? I'm not, I just explained what it is...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 04:41 PM
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Spot on! Pair bonding is something that is often overlooked on this sub. As if loving someone and being bonded with them stop when they fail at something or get less physically attractive. Obviously it does seem to for some people, but for most of us that bond stretches a long way. You're also right about getting older. Men and women both age and women tend to age less acceptably than me. If a woman leaves her husband at 45 because he's starting to get bald or flabby, then she's likely also 45 (…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 01:23 PM
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Marxist feminism seeks to explain and investigate the ways in which women have been oppressed by capitalism and private property. It basically asserts that true women's liberation can't be achieved without a restructuring of the economic and political systems, as much of female labour (housework, child care, social organisation, etc) is uncompensated and under-valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 01:16 PM
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Yes! This happens a lot here in my experience. If you're not anti-feminist then you are a feminist - which is not necessarily true at all. It's like 'if you're not with us you're against us' - polarising people and not allowing for a middle ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 01:11 PM
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This is a very good idea. Obesity is treated with an air of condescension by many and a lack of empathy that denies it's often an addiction or psychological disorder driving the overeating. I don't like the whole fat acceptance thing, but I also don't like the 'just eat less, it's not that hard' (almost always uttered by people who have never been overweight) or the harsher versions of that which seem completely unsympathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 07:47 PM
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Oh yes, American food is often really sweet and also really salty. It's common to find highly refined flours and sugars too. In New Zealand, most packaged food seems less sweet, less salty and less refined than things imported from the States. The U.K. is similar. The US really does seem to love its sugar!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 07:41 PM
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This is a simplistic way to look at it. Basically you're right that eating well doesn't need to cost much, it can actually be a lot cheaper than all the pre-prepared meals or take out people eat. The main problem is that people from lower income backgrounds are often less educated - both formally and informally. They don't see the advice about a healthy diet as much as they see lots of advertising and cheap deals for low quality packaged food and fast food restaurants. This makes them think that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 07:36 PM
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All this stuff here was said about Jews for centuries in Europe and it resulted in many acts of violence against them, including of course the Holocaust. If you'd asked many people in Europe before the Nazis they would give you lots of reasons to hate Jews: that they were undermining the societies they lived in, they had their own rules and laws and didn't assimilate, they were only interested in money, their religion is immoral and sees non-Jews as lesser beings....Was there some basis in fact …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 04:25 PM
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So your argument is that women don't want guys? That's just absurd. Maybe we don't want guys as much as guys want girls (we're not as highly sexually motivated generally speaking) but women certainly do desire men. Desire can disappear or wane for both genders... Chemistry is really just an umbrella term for different traits that make someone attractive and feel like they could be compatible: looks, personality, voice, social standing, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 05:49 PM
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I'm not going to go back over everything. I think I wrote about how I try to love people and of course that can't always be romantic. Platonic love can turn into romantic love...Chemistry is a big part of love - you can't force it. I could have pity sex with guys I don't truly have chemistry with, but that's depressing all round. Is that what you want, women to just fake it to make sure every guy gets laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 05:12 PM
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Did I say falling in love was platonic? I've never been in love, so I'm not really one to ask about that. I'm not really well informed on the definition of incel, so I guess I'm wrong in that. How do you know I'd turn you down? It's likely because I'm shy and not impulsive, but you're assuming a lot again.... Too old is probably 15 years older than me, too young is 10 years younger probably - I haven't thought about it that much though. I don't tally up how many men day to day that are attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 04:42 PM
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Well, if a 5'3" guy asks me out I'll give it a go - that's all I can say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 03:03 PM
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That's hardly a rant...much less of one than your bigoted diatribe. I'm not arguing that Islam is great or without its faults, but your hatred is very unreasonable. I've lived in an Islamic country for half my life (though I'm Irish Catholic by birth) and the vast majority are not brutal savages at all. I've met some horrible Hindus, Christians, Jews, etc - I have lots of problems with how American culture has influenced the world and also Israel's Zionist domestic and foreign policy. No one has…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 03:02 PM
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How do I know I might find a 5'3" guy attractive in the future? I don't, but I also don't know that I won't....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 02:48 PM
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I'm not a hardcore romantic, not at all - but I don't believe everything is numbers either. There's grey areas in between and that's where it's logical to place yourself and your expectations to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 08:44 AM
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Manspreading is certainly real - but the number of times I have been hit with handbags is pretty high too! I agree that some men are being dominating when they are in your space and touching you with their knees - but I think it's also just for comfort. The other terms are silly and could be flipped for women too. It's not misandry but it's getting close to label all these things in a negative frame
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 06:32 AM
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It does not mean a lot of pressure! Jeez....height is a part of looks, but it's not everything. As I said, I won't dismiss someone out of hand because of height - just because I haven't met a 5'3" guy that I find attractive doesn't mean I never will...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 05:24 AM
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I guess I'm a woman that tends to like my own ethnicity (white) so I don't often look at Asian or Asian subcontinent men so much - they tend to be on the shorter side. But I've certainly noticed men who have nice eyes and a good smile and are short. I wouldn't outright reject men, but I do prefer men who are taller than me (I'm 162cm, or just under 5'4") Honestly though, I can't recall any particular short men in detail...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 04:35 AM
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You're assuming so many things you can't actually know - like so many RP followers. I'm sorry so many women have rejected or ignored you, but no, it's not always obvious a guy is attracted and you've totally ignored my assertion that (at least for me) that I assume platonic intentions in casual situations. If I was on a date, obviously I know the guy is attracted to me, but at a party or just in a cafe/school/work, I don't assume romantic intentions....I've made male friends that have zero inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 04:30 AM
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I never said unattractive = 'better' women, or attractive = 'worse' women. Simply that calling someone 'quality' based almost solely on looks is missing out a lot of other things that might make someone a good choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 07:04 PM
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I meant platonic relationships - acquaintances. Meaning I can keep in touch with people but maybe never be a very deeply connected friend with them. I'm a bit reserved and private, I don't share myself deeply with many people. That's what I meant by superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 07:00 PM
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Well I guess I'll just have to try practising what I preach...doubt you'd believe me either way, you sound pretty convinced women like me don't exist...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 06:58 PM
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But you spend your time with someone in a much deeper way than just looking at them. Unless all you're interested in is getting laid and being seen with a woman...if you don't want an LTR, then sure, looks are top of the pile. If you want to avoid all the supposedly rife divorce rape, hypergamy, paternity fraud, etc, then you better look at 'quality' that is more than skin deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 06:56 PM
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Well I'm not intentionally twisting anything. And when I say love, I don't necessarily mean romantic love, you're right. I think love (as in caring about someone's thoughts, feelings and wellbeing and being willing to go out of your way for them) is just part of being a good person and that's what I believe myself to be. Of course I can't love everyone the same way and sometimes that love is going to be romantic from one side and platonic from the other - that's just how life goes, we all let ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 06:53 PM
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Well, you're missing out on true quality then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 05:26 PM
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Islam has had many positive effects on the world as well - we forget about that with the radical, barbarianism of IS. Calling them 'creatures' is totally uncalled for...your wording is very reminiscent of Nazi Germany against the Jews. Hateful... and it scares me to know how many people agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 05:25 PM
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Polyamory is fine for the people who really want it, I just don't think that many people really do. I think most people find the idea of thinking of someone they love having sex and an emotional relationship with someone else rather unsettling...You have to be ultra secure in yourself and not at all jealous for that to work. I've heard this before about extroverts having a greater number of friends overall, but probably less deep relationships with them. I'm not sure that's true. I'm an introver…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 05:12 PM
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How do you define quality women? Looks, behaviour, femininity...?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 05:02 PM
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Love, yes, I offer love to everyone - as hippie as that sounds. Sex, no, 'cos I'm not that kind of girl! I live in the Gulf, I doubt many of them would be willing to jump on a plane to get to me...There are very few men I'd be entirely unwilling to give a chance at chemistry with, but I know I'm a bit weird that way. I don't have much of a list a man must adhere to to get my conversation and attention. Does that mean it's always going to end in romance? No, but I'm not closed to it unless I get …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:55 PM
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Well, honesty makes a big difference there. If you don't love someone or you're terribly unhappy and thinking of cheating, you should talk to them about it. A woman or man may assume their partner is happy, if their partner doesn't say otherwise.... I know a woman who said to me straight out she doesn't love her husband but they get along well and he treats her like a queen, so she'd stay put. He was not at all aware of this and was always trying to make her happy. I thought it was terrible to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:45 PM
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Maybe if he was great in other ways...I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand. I'm unlikely to meet or be approached by a guy that height though, they're not very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:40 PM
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Yes, I think you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:38 PM
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Who says I haven't? I'm supposed to go off right now and find these guys? I actually went to /r/incels and was told in no uncertain terms to take my empathy and f*ck off...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 03:06 PM
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Hahaha! As I say, I don't live by it, but it interests me and does fit a lot of people. A lot of people around here like to type - especially RP it seems to me - but I guess I should be aware of doing it myself 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:27 PM
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That's so sad, but it's true! This is why I make the effort to make eye contact and smile at people - even though often people look at me like I'm crazy...must be harder for men to do though as people get paranoid about creeps...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:20 PM
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Yes, you're right, people are selfish, but I think we're more selfish than we used to be on average. I think in the past people were more accepting of not getting everything they wanted and that it was okay if things were a bit skewed in a relationship - especially women were more forgiving I think than they are now. But, I guess people didn't have the choice they do now - if they did, then maybe I would accept we are all just selfish and that hasn't changed... As for love, I've seen it be one s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:17 PM
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All right, all right...no one's forcing you to believe it...live and let live man!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:48 PM
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Well, that's a bleak way to look at it...but you may be right. I just think social media and dating apps have made people more superficial overall and also feel that there is lots of choice and maybe 'the one' is just around the corner. I believe a lot of people still want to find someone they really click with, but we're getting too fussy and too easily distracted. Just because it's where we are now doesn't mean it's where we should be or have been heading to all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:46 PM
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Yep, seems like all any of us can hope to be...we can't be someone else!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:23 PM
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There are plenty of people who would disagree with MBTI being bullshit, as with much of psychology and 'typing' people, it's impossible to prove either way. If it fits you and you gain some insight from it, it's all fine. I don't live by it, but it 'types' me pretty well and I've learned some interesting things. It's nothing like astrology - that's based entirely on when you were born...MBTI, even if you think it's BS, is based on far more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:22 PM
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It depends how far it goes. There's nothing wrong with examining yourself and your social and taking steps to improve, but some on here seem to over-examine it all and it's kind of sad and depressing to think about. It's just very different to how I view things I guess, so it's eye-opening around here sometimes...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:16 PM
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Yes, it is pretty demotivating - just seems very cold. But I think you're right, it's a way of intellectualizing something that is kind of hard to really treat that way. Try as we might, attraction and love are not easily definable and vary from person to person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:09 PM
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I think many here do view sex and relationships almost as a transaction - putting values on each 'side' and creating strategies for success. There's little belief in romance or love really - it's all about what you bring to the table and getting the best possible 'deal' out of it. It's a symptom of modern society - people are selfish and seem less tolerant and patient than they used to be. Everything has to be tallied up. I'm INFJ and I feel pretty out of place here being such a 'feeler' - as an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 12:14 PM
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Yes it does! Most people seem to agree here that women are judged more harshly on looks - which is totally obvious. TRP often says men are just as harshly judged on appearance...yeah right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:58 AM
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Ugly man. Women are judged more on their looks for sure. A man can 'make up for' his lack of looks with many other things, a woman will often be negatively judged if she's ugly - from jobs to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:52 AM
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Yes, of course she should get jail time! That judge should be sacked! A man would never get off so lightly and his career wouldn't be taken into much consideration. It's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:49 AM
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I think men develop a complex about their height and it's not all because of women. We idolize athletes nowadays and often they are significantly taller than average. Height is equated with strength and masculinity and likely always has been. As long as a man isn't well below average, then I doubt his dating pool is diminished as much as he thinks - being insecure about height is likely a bigger turn off than height itself. Women feel inadequate if they're short too. I think plenty of women unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 04:44 AM
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This is a widespread notion in this part of the world (also India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran....)and has been for a long time. Women's freedom of movement is seen as potentially dangerous to her and her family as she may dishonor them without a man being present. It's classic distrust of women's minds and seeing them as possessions of the family almost. Where I live, many families practice this - women are chaperoned everywhere and rarely do things alone. If her husband or brothers are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 07:39 AM
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So you'd go back to when in time before feminism? Are we talking recent radical feminism or all the way back to the suffragettes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:55 PM
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The Saudi culture is not skewed by its politics - it's very male-domibated, misogynistic and intolerant. That's not all down to Islam, but mostly to the Bedouin culture. Turkey is very different, but also Islam is not the driving force behind much if its traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 06:54 PM
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Haha, sorry, you're right - that was an unfortunate acronym!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 03:22 PM
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You're right, from the standpoint of survival, these societies are pretty equal for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 03:20 PM
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Having lived in a Muslim country for half my life, this is not a view I can support really. I mean, the Quran is relatively fair (from an 2000+ year old perspective) but the culture in many Islamic countries is far from fair from a woman's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 03:19 PM
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Interesting. I thought 40% was very high, sub 10% sounds more realistic. It's still horrendous and should be taken seriously, but too many people here only give credence to the studies with the outcome that most supports their fear-mongering assertions that divorce 'rape', false rape allegations and woman-on-man domestic abuse is so rife that it's tearing society apart!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 01:49 PM
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Yeah, I don't get this equating more left-leaning politics with feminism or femininity. Plenty of men are involved in and support the left and it's not built around 'the female imperative'. To Americans, I'm very far left - your left is basically centrist in many countries. I'm not a radical feminist at all and I'm sure there is misogyny and misandry in all parts of the political spectrum. I don't think any political position necessarily means someone is feminist or anti-feminist (or somewhere i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 08:31 AM
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This is a bit extreme. While I don't think women are 'praying for a HSV guy to approach them, I also don't think women outright dismiss any guy who approaches who is not 'Chad' or 'nearly Chad'. I speak to anyone who comes up to me and is friendly. I don't like sexually aggressive approaches because I'm sexually inexperienced and it intimidates me. I certainly don't equate them with any kind of sexual assault or harassment though. Just say 'no thanks' and turn away....Women like this are seeking…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 08:27 AM
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Despicable people all round then - rapists and those that make false allegations. I'm not arguing that false rape allegations are in anyway 'ok' and I don't believe there is a 'rape culture' but I do give the benefit of the doubt to a complainant and all allegations need to be properly investigated. Yes, it destroys lives to be accused of a crime you didn't commit, but it also ruins lives to not have your legitimate complaints taken seriously or prosecuted. There are many women who do not come f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 08:11 AM
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If that 40% rate is accurate that is indeed terrible and significant. I just worry about how they deem these allegations false and under what circumstances they are made. It makes no logical sense to me that 40% of false allegations are because women hate men or are psychopaths wanting to get their way. Got to be more to it than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 04:40 AM
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The statistics on false rape allegations I find in a brief search are from 2-10% - convictions for rape in the UK are 5.7% and only around 15% of victims even report the crime. Making allegations of a 'rape culture' has little basis in fact and personally I think false allegations are rare enough to also not be seen as a threat to the vast majority of men. Prison rape is horrific and shouldn't be joked about. Female prisoners rape a lot too, we also don't hear much about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 03:24 AM
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That film is awesome. But also very frightening. I hate the idea of 'designer babies'. If certain severe genetic health problems could be eliminated, that would be good, but the idea of making them brunette or tall or blue eyed freaks me out. Giving free reign to all the superficial nonsense and making it entirely mainstream just seems horrible. The way a child is raised has an enormous impact on their later behaviour, happiness and success in life and this can't be controlled by genetics. In fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 02:43 AM
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This is a misunderstanding. There is no defence for those who defend false rape accusations (who does that though?) - I thought you meant women hate men and that's why there are false allegations...sorry, wasn't paying attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 02:22 AM
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That's not true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:10 PM
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You'd have to be a sick personality to think that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 07:09 PM
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Yes, that is very sad and those men should receive compensation. It doesn't however happen as often as legitimate rape - or the rape that isn't properly investigated or prosecuted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:33 PM
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Understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:04 PM
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It angers me when anyone makes false allegations as it makes it harder for people who are telling the truth. The same way that anything negative that a minority does can have a reactionary, fear-based impact on the majority. It's still unusual and really not something to get paranoid about. I wouldn't really worry for your son, it's very unlikely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 04:43 PM
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Yeah, I get that reasoning. I guess I just didn't grow up in a place where rape or violent crime is common so it seems a bit paranoid to have a gun just in case. I'd rather have a well trained guard dog or something, lol! But I have no problem with people having guns as long as they know how to use them and keep them responsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 04:33 PM
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I'm not American, so I think my views are coloured a lot by that. I grew up in New Zealand where most people don't own guns and even police don't carry them (we have 'armed defenders squads' which are called out when needed). Gun ownership is not seen as necessary by most people unless you hunt. I'm very much in favour of restorative justice rather than retributive justice as is common in most of the world (including the US and NZ). I'm very much against the death penalty. I think there is a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:50 PM
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Never said it was. The ideals of communism appeal to me more than capitalism though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:16 PM
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Excuse me? I never said I'd lived under communism or that I wanted it....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 03:15 PM
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How do you know what I do/don't know?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:53 PM
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I didn't know about barring immigration for disabled - that's shocking! I agree with your points - that sounds like a good society! Let's get you a campaign :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:52 PM
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Yes you are! I guess I'm more trusting...I think most people do the right thing and want a happy, peaceful society. I find more socialist countries like Norway, Iceland, etc, are better than the majority of Capitalist nations. Compassionate capitalism or something like that I guess! Communism is too extreme, but I think the current Capitalist system in many countries is too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:36 PM
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I honestly lean more towards communism than the callous capitalism we have now. Neither are good, but if I had to choose one....I'm not a radical feminist though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 02:15 PM
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Good. Me too! :) It has gone too far in some places, but not everywhere and not for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 12:10 PM
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Joint custody is usually the default where I'm from. I don't get the men who seem to want it all - keep their normal job and generally lower involvement with the kids, but have the same access to their kids as ever but no longer live with their ex and start dating new women. How is that going to work? And how about the kids in this? True 50/50 residential custody isn't always going to work in their favour with their schooling, etc? Divorce sucks for kids more than it does for the parents. It's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:07 AM
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I've never hit a man (beyond a joking slap on the arm or something....) - I'm not that stupid. Anyone who hits someone else in the face or throws things at them is an immature idiot. Women doing it are even more stupid because if a man hits back he's likely to do more damage and may lose his temper and not stop at one hit...men who fight back against these women with equal or higher force are also dumb because they'll likely end up in jail. Bottom line is: don't hit people! The outcomes of domes…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 10:53 AM
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In the US it does seem to have a large element of misandry to it, which is not in the spirit of the feminism my mother took part in in the 60s/70s or what I think of as feminism as I define it. The movement in the US has a lot to answer for when it comes to men's rights, that's for sure, but it's not the same the world over....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 10:47 AM
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It works pretty well in countries where it is decriminalized. I don't truly understand why it isn't decriminalized everywhere - it's such an ancient way of earning money for women and providing sex and comfort for men, it just doesn't make sense to make it illegal. Even in very religious and conservative countries it's not hard to find prostitutes operating under the authorities noses. People find a way. Much like abortion (obviously a more serious subject, but something that has always been and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 10:39 AM
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Hate is a very strong word. I don't actually hate anyone. If I'm not physically attracted to someone it doesn't mean I hate them or that I can't have empathy for them. Are we talking physically weak? If so, no I don't hate them - they're probably still stronger than me and more physically capable in many ways. Muscle-men are way overrated, imo. If we're talking a really small, frail looking man then I'm not likely to find him attractive, but I don't 'hate' him either and I would feel bad for him…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 10:29 AM
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I agree about the sugar. I didn't know it was subsidized.....The rest is still too extreme for me to get behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:42 PM
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What are sugar subsidies? Anyway...how about spousal abuse? Constant cheating? How does that get resolved under your law? I think divorces are too common and too easy, but making them illegal under any circumstances is too extreme...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:21 PM
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Norway is pretty much the gold standard for justice, imo...I agree about having a mix of male and female in many situations - generally makes people behave better ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:14 PM
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Is that what I said? That the suffering of men doesn't matter? That men's purpose is to fight and die? I don't believe that at all. A man's 'purpose' is what he makes of it and basically always has been. Men are not usually reduced to one purpose as women are, at least not where I'm from. I'm arguing against the assertion that women have always had it easier than men and that somehow women (and historical facts) have conjured up this myth of female oppression just to make men look bad and cause …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:34 PM
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Oppression is not just laws or actions, it is mindsets. The mindset has been that women are just for breeding and rearing children - and doing housework. There are men here on this sub and TRP who believe this now. Women are often raised, and certainly were more so in the past, to believe this also. That we shouldn't have ambitions beyond being a good wife raising children. That to do so is 'selfish' and not our place. That our value is as mothers and sexual objects to men, we don't have the men…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:45 PM
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Exactly! I don't get why this is so hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:17 PM
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I think men are generally already quite upfront. Personally I think being upfront is always better for everyone involved than playing games...doesn't mean it's always going to go well, but it's better to know where you stand....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:15 PM
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There are a lot of men around here who do not believe men have ever oppressed women and that men have actually had it worse throughout human history while women have benefitted/had it easier. I don't think you can really reach common ground with those men because they adamantly refuse to be open-minded or be presented with counter arguments. They are stuck in the same 'victim' mindset as many radical feminists are and they don't accept anyone disagreeing with them. I'm learning a lot about the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:14 PM
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I like porn - more written than visual though usually. Although in the right mood, visual porn is a turn on and kind of interesting too. I doubt I like it as much or use it as much as most men do, but to say that 'women don't like porn' is overstating it. Not sure you why it's hard to believe that women can be into porn - it's certainly not a myth...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 03:07 PM
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How are single moms 'the scum of the earth'?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:41 AM
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Yep, there's nothing subtle about her misandry!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:25 AM
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It's not a turn off as long as he's not spending most of his free time working out to look like that. I like hobbies like sports, hiking, rock climbing etc and those are active healthy pursuits that will get you a good body too. But just working out to look good doesn't appeal to me....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:36 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:24 AM
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Because some people get overly sensitive and/or feel any kind of acknowledgement of gender differences is akin to sexism. It shouldn't happen on an official level ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:24 AM
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I've got a couple of male friends in Europe who always insist on paying for meals - and the relationship is entirely platonic (I'm not their type physically at all!). I ask them why and they say it was the way they were raised and if I find it offensive they're sorry. They've even gone off and sneakily paid so I won't try to pay....it's not all about sex! I always offer to pay my half (and just accept it if they really insist on paying) and I often just buy someone something randomly if they alw…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:14 AM
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You're right. He shouldn't have been fired for that. That's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:06 AM
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Yes, that's true. It takes a lot of effort for a man to get ripped - for me personally that is not necessary and actually tends to turn me off. But it works for lots of women and the effort should be appreciated by them. As for women, sure, if all you do is put on some makeup, spend a bit of money on clothes and hair and out you go - it's absolutely not the same thing. But plenty of women spend hours in the gym/jogging/dieting strictly to maintain a Victoria's Secret type body. I'm just someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:05 AM
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Give me an example of a non-misogynistic criticism and a misogynistic one? That would help clear up where you're coming from. I have no problem with criticism but when it's 'women are born to betray men', 'women have no potential beyond breeding' and 'women are like children' then it steps out of the bounds of reasonable criticism and into sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 07:01 AM
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The first one is an extreme case - very few women agree with her. You could certainly find articles about men tearing down women too.... The second is something I have been aware of and hated for a while now. Men on tv being bumbling, incompetent foils for the women - it is sexist. I hate that. It's also sexist (against women) because it portrays them as nagging, boring, over sensitive harpies. Neither gender comes off well in sitcoms. The third is awful - but there are equivalent ones out there…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:57 AM
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I agree and I'm not devaluing it, I hope you can see. I think it devalues the effort a lot of men put in to assert that they are doing it solely to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:34 AM
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No, that's not objectifying. That's attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:29 AM
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No. It's attraction. As long as you still view me as and treat me as a person, then it's not objectifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:36 PM
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You can be attracted to someone beyond just the physical. Being an object and being attractive are not the same thing...at least not in my understanding. An object is something without personality, individuality or feelings - I don't look at any being like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:07 PM
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No...?!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:04 PM
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That's a bleak way to look at it....
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:03 PM
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Well i disagree with you. I don't think men do everything to be more attractive to women. I give men more credit than that...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:02 PM
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Yeah, sure. But I'm not asking to be objectified - as I said, there's a difference between being looked at and being objectified. I like to be looked at as someone you might want to get to know, I don't want to be looked at as just an object for sexual gratification....
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:43 PM
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How about sports? Is that entirely about getting women too? It's just pretty sad to me that the only thing that gets you interested in your fitness is female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:22 PM
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It had me inspired for the first fewparagraphs. Words men and women could be inspired by. Then the misogyny came in...why?! How does it help to reduce half of humanity to mindless breeding machines with no interest in anything more?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:11 PM
3

Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:03 PM
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Umm, no...I don't dress revealingly and i don't go to bars actually, so I guess I don't 'dress up' the way you mean. 'I'm not that kind of girl' ;) There's a big difference between wearing heels and makeup and wearing a cut out dress that barely covers your lady bits...if you mean dressing like the latter, yes, they are asking to be looked at in a sexual way. If I wear heels to the grocery store or a top that shows some cleavage, I'm not asking for sexual attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 07:03 PM
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Because i have eyes....I could be completely deluding myself of course and going out looking awful....looking at someone and objectifying them is not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:56 PM
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It's not a lie at all. At worst it's a misconception - I'm not trying to deceive anyone. I was under the impression that men didn't do everything just to attract women, according to you I'm wrong, doesn't make me a liar... I like to look good. Sometimes that might mean I look sexy, that probably depends on who's looking. I don't wear heels or makeup because I just want men to look at me and want to fuck me. I'm just speaking for myself here, but I'd say a lot of women would agree...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:16 PM
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It's weird. He was 15 when they met so she had some pretty strong hold over him when he was immature and still developing. That's never going to sit well with me. It's just as weird as if the genders were reversed. Don't think it has much to do with how he will govern France, as I don't believe a politician's personal life matters too much....
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:11 PM
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French people? Europeans? Anyone who has an interested in the world....
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:09 PM
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Ok, we just don't see things the same way. I don't think women try to degrade men or transcend themselves above responsibility. Are there some extreme feminists who do this? Absolutely and they my complete disgust - but I still think you're overblowing things by claiming women are more violent. Female abuse of men is woefully and disgracefully under-reported and swept under the carpet. But it's still less common than violence against women and that contradicts what you're claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:08 PM
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That actually sounds like a good way to weed out people you're not really into! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:05 PM
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Some women certainly do put themselves out there as sexual objects. But to say any woman who is wearing revealing clothing, high heels (in a grocery store?!! Dear God, she must want to be bent over the bakery counter!) or make up is asking to be objectified is silly. There is such a thing as boosting your own self confidence by knowing you look good. Men might do this by working out and showing off their arms and abs, etc - do you seriously think men do that just to look sexier to women? No, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:04 PM
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Sure, ok, female rulers waged more wars than male ones (probably had something to do with compensating for a perceived lack of toughness) - but there have been a lot more male rulers than female and a lot more wars started by men. I would guess the female rulers waged war with the encouragement and backing of men (not to mention men were the ones who did the actual violence)...Most men are more physically aggressive than most women - ranging from participation in extreme sports to committing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 05:55 PM
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Women are more violent than men? I think human history would quarrel with you there...I didn't say women are not at all violent, but to try to claim that women are more violent on average is just absurd... I've never heard of women getting 'a pass' for abusing men because of PMS...you're reaching hard here to make women villains. I simply stated that men don't understand how much menstruation affects many women and in my experience and in what I see in the world around me, I'm being entirely acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:55 PM
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I second /u/foreigner girl on periods. We are often told that women don't understand how much testosterone affects men, but how can we not? Evidence of testosterone’s power is all around us. Men's sexual desires, propensity for violence, ambition, physical strength....all of that is very obvious in the world all the time. It's driven by testosterone in large part, we get it. We also understand that the effects of it are largely beyond your control because we have hormones that influence our bodi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 05:13 AM
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I'm watching the first one now - sounds very interesting. I'll let you know when I've watched all 3. Thanks again for the links :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 04:45 PM
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I assure you I'm not a troll, nor am I BP. Just wanted a discussion on this is all. There have been some interesting comments and takes on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 08:37 AM
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That second guy is cute :) First guy is hot. I'd give them both a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 05:44 AM
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True, good point :)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 05:11 AM
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Ok. Thanks. I'll look at them tomorrow- need to sleep now :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 09:29 PM
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I guess in a way, sure? If you could keep your American culture, your religion and your freedoms, would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 09:11 PM
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Some feminists and suffragettes were involved The order of the white feather was founded by a man and had plenty of male support also. It was a nasty thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 09:10 PM
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All I see are numbers. Maybe it's because I'm on mobile. I'll look at it later on my laptop.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 09:07 PM
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There don't seem to be any links? I am curious and not well Informand, so I'm willing to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:48 PM
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All of this makes sense to me. Attraction is a package and it's different for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:04 PM
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Yes, that would be my problem with it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 07:59 PM
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How am I dismissive? Yes, I'm curious and I care. There are some laws that I've come to learn about on here that are wrong and discriminate against men. But some of the assertions are not backed up by as many facts - such as divorce rape and paternity fraud...coupled with a lack of compassion (or even acknowledgement) of women's concerns, I may run out of patience for some of the commenters here...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 07:37 PM
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Don't know how to use IRC?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:37 PM
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Oh good! I thought I was kinda older than most judging by some of the topics and comments around here - glad to hear we're a good mix of ages :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:18 PM
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Well, it seems pretty pessimistic to me, wish I could give you a hug honestly... I'm sorry you feel that way and I hope the world will prove you wrong :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:16 PM
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Interesting! I will stick around :) I have typed as INTJ once, but also INFP once...it probably fluctuates with my hormones tbh, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:16 PM
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Your pessimism is huge and warping your view. Sounds like your dystopia is already here thanks to women, sorry about that. Divorce rape is truly rare in most countries and even in the US is restricted to a few states. False paternity is not as high as 40% and from the studies I've just looked up, the 10% figure is overestimated also. I guess we need to go back to men be in charge of everything we do then as we're so amoral and destructive....there has to be a better way forward than that surely?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 05:17 PM
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Geez...fine. I don't think the world is turning into the Handmaid's Tale at all...I also don't think divorce rape or false rape accusations are nearly as common as people around here assert. Man-spreading is not a serious issue, surely? I mean, it is kind of rude to take up more space than your seat and is a bit comical, but it's like women knocking you with their handbags (which I've done and experienced and find annoyingly funny) - it's not a big deal and not an example of misandry if that's w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 05:10 PM
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I know! That's one good thing anyway :) I was a bit shocked shruggin' thought I was INTJ - should take it as a compliment :) I'm old...33, too old to be around here I think...but it's so interesting :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 05:05 PM
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I care a lot and I'm appalled I haven't heard about those boys. It's shocking and upsetting and I actually said to lots of people that they were making a big deal out of the girls when surely lots of boys were being taken to be child soldiers, etc - I didn't know it was 10,000. That's horrible. I still don't see the systemic treatment of men in societies the world over as being worse than it is for women though. Yes, men are victims of more crimes - often because they are actually involved/prese…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 05:00 PM
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I don't misunderstand at all. My question was a hypothetical one - would you prefer this future to the dystopia many here seem to fear will be caused by feminism? I know the Handmaid's Tale is not going to happen, just as I know the future (or present, according to a few) some people here assert we're heading towards where most men never have sex and women have all the privileges is fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:51 PM
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Thank you! It's tough being an INFJ - we're in the minority everywhere, but especially here it seems!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:46 PM
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Hi! I'm a girl :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:19 PM
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So honour killings aren't brutalising women? Where in the world do men get regularly gang raped and then blamed for it? Where do they get acid thrown in their faces and it's swept under the carpet? How do they have it worse? I might be able to accept having it just as bad, but I just don't see worse, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:18 PM
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I'm INFJ, that's why I struggle here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:15 PM
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Wasn't trying to bait anyone, not really familiar with strawman, but I was curious to know what people thought of the show/book and how it might be interpreted in our discussions here. I've seen men here blame women for the downfall of morality, birth rates, etc, so I thought maybe some might see some good in this type of dystopia. I did say it was extreme and not likely to fulfil someone's view completely....it desexualises everyone for starters and I know TRP (or anyone else for that matter) d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:13 PM
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Yes, that's the case in NZ - alimony is only used short term in some cases. Thanks for the reply, it's really interesting to learn about this stuff. I'm sorry so many men feel so aggrieved, but I don't see as much reason for it as they claim... Also, as you're so knowledgeable :) I was wondering how many people around here are neuro-atypical and INTJs (not that they're the same, of course)? I just feel I hit a wall of understanding with a lot of people because their mindset and thinking patterns…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:09 PM
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Ok, now your paranoia about women and feminism is getting a bit ridiculous. You think things are truly worse for men in a place like India, where it takes huge protests to get gang-rape and murder of girls taken seriously? Where a lot of people believe it's always the girls fault that it happens? Or the widespread acceptance of honour killings, disfigurement by husbands/fathers/brothers for disobeying etc? Yes, the men are also punished in cases where a woman ran off with them - but men are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 04:03 PM
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No offence taken at all, you're very reasonable :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 03:39 PM
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Good to know! Some of the statements here make it sound like the US is horrendously anti-male and I doubt that's the case...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 02:47 PM
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Oh really. Why are there people here making such a big deal out of it now then? As I say, I know nothing about it so it's all pretty new to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 02:45 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 02:43 PM
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That is interesting, thanks. I hadn't looked it that way and it is an interesting take on it. Not sure I agree 100%, but it's a sound argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 02:19 PM
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Because they are in most of the world and from what (admittedly tiny amount) I've read suggests it's not the norm in the US either. Not all states have the same laws. Maybe you can tell me where to read about it? I am genuinely curious and under-informed about divorce law.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 02:10 PM
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Well, I'm from New Zealand and know a few divorced men who were not 'raped' in any way by it and don't feel aggrieved (in both cases they were the ones who cheated and were given second chances to recommit, but cheated again...) - they saw their kids as much as they wanted and didn't pay spousal support. It helped that their ex wives were pretty reasonable people though - but NZ law doesn't allow divorce 'rape' in the way the US seems to. Most people are stupid, irritating and make decisions bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 02:07 PM
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Yes, exactly!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 01:29 PM
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Well, I am learning about how many appalling laws you have in the US that are discriminatory towards men and it's very unfair. I'm afraid I'm very left leaning and currently live in a Muslim country so I don't agree with your other assertions. The US has lots of problems, migrants are likely not even in the top 10 of your worst problems. Nor is the birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 01:29 PM
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Thanks! That's an awful law....I'm starting to understand why so many men here feel aggrieved...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 01:25 PM
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I think people are generally more dissatisfied. We always want more, we think the grass is greener for others, etc. To me it's a side effect of so much information now, we see so much and we think we can have it. It's not often possible and people torment themselves trying to attain it 'all'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 01:21 PM
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I just think people are more dissatisfied generally than we used to be. We see this big wide world now. We see people dating people we'd like to be with, but maybe we can't find those people ourselves. We are pickier about lots of things, potential life partners included. The internet can bring in more people who have something to complain about. Most of us like to moan about things more than we like to boast! I think a lot of people on here are social outliers to some degree. I know I am. What …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 01:04 PM
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Good points. Thank you. The US seems to have quite a few things wrong for men then and I'm sorry about that. 1) Male circumcision is not the norm in most of the world and personally I would like to see it gone as I think it is a human rights violation. 2) We'll, this is potentially complex. Women, for the most part, bear more responsibility for their children than men do. Men can and do leave their children, few women do. But personally I don't believe men should be forced to pay child support, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 12:54 PM
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Good points :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 12:40 PM
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Guys don't need to look like that. It helps, sure, but it's not a necessity!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 12:39 PM
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I think maybe a lot of things on here are a bit hard for me to understand because I'm not from the US. I hear a lot about divorce rape, etc but it's not something I've heard about in other Western countries. There is no draft where I am from and even when there was it wasn't implemented until well after men and women got the vote. I didn't know the only reason men got the vote in the US was because of the draft. I also didn't know voting was seen as something you had to 'pay' for in any regard..…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 12:07 PM
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You can't make a slave of the unwilling? How about the thousands of slaves that have existed (and do exist) the world over. They're willing? If your choice is death/torture or to do as you're told, most will do as they're told and be a slave. In this story, women who refuse are 're-educated', if re-education fails, they're tortured, I assume if that fails too, they're killed. No lying in bed and eating all day, I'm afraid!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 10:52 AM
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I'll have to watch that - thanks! Yes, dystopian stories are very interesting. Of course they're extreme and won't happen in the exact way, but they are interesting exercises to promote some self-reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 10:48 AM
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I know there's no chance the future will be like this, thank goodness. I'm trying to gauge how many men here think it is preferable to the future they see as being the result of feminism right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 10:46 AM
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Aside from this 'divorce rape' and paternity fraud - which are not nearly as common or acceptable the world over as you assert - what else shows you the inherent amorality of women? I'm glad you think this future would be sad, I think any future where a gender is treated as an inferior class is sad. I don't believe that is the goal of feminism and it won't be it's result. There are plenty of injustices that need to be addressed, blaming feminism and women in general is not logical. Some men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 10:45 AM
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I agree then. This is not all women want, but I'm not sure many people believe that is the case anyway. Most women (myself included) want a man who can be tough and selfish but also sweet and selfless. We want a well rounded human being, not a doormat or a psychopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:34 AM
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You sound like a social psychopath...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:32 AM
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Men generally like this placating, ego-stroking diplomacy from women. We wouldn't be seen as feminine if we told you everything bluntly - especially about things you have no control over like height. Weight is different because it is controllable to a large degree. Telling someone they're fat (is rude but) isn't really striking at the very core of something they were just born with...it's not as harsh as saying someone is too short. Women tell these sort of placating lies to their friends and al…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:15 AM
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This is very true. Women are generally raised to prioritize the comfort of others above their own - even if it means being dishonest. We are taught and (I think also instinctually) to avoid conflict and stroke egos. We do it to men, we do it to women and we do it to ourselves. It's not a strategy or a conscious effort to subvert. It's about keeping the peace and not hurting feelings. Is it always the best course of action? No, but it's deeply ingrained.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:04 AM
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Can you explain what is the truth according to you then? I mean, having someone genuinely listen and want to give pleasure doesn't sound like something anyone would reject? I mean, in the absence of anything else, sure - but those two things sound good as part of a bigger package? How is it propaganda that a lot of women would want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 07:57 AM
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You think that's propaganda?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 05:40 AM
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Yes! We're all boneheads sometimes and need someone who will point it out and encourage us to better ourselves. Seems logical to me... :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 01:33 PM
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Why did you need to 'trigger' anyone? Your requirements for wife material sound reasonable to me :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 12:27 PM
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I think a lot of people are harsh on the internet. I don't think bloopers are harsher than anyone else around here as a general rule. A lot of terpers are very harsh and disrespectful and a lot of bloopers respond in kind. It's immature really. I have a great deal of sympathy for so-called incels and many others around here, but I do expect people to treat others as they want to be treated themselves. Many guys here seem like trolls or just misogynists and it gets my back up. Hard to always resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 09:07 AM
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I think it's important to resist generalising based on your personal experience. I'm sorry you don't have better women in your life, but there are moral ones out there. I just think people in general are becoming less and less caring and moral, it's not just women. Makes it hard to want to socialise sometimes when you meet lots of superficial, uncaring people...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 07:04 PM
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It's super important to me too and I'm a woman. Not sure I see it more in one gender than the other, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 06:10 PM
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These RP guys make it sound like it is...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 05:25 PM
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A mix of common sense, education and fundamental brain processing. Simply trying to say IQ doesn't measure it all and some people who have an average IQ are 'smarter' than the number suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 03:57 PM
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Ok, I'll leave it to you about STEM - I know nothing about it. All I know is that women are well under represented in this in the West - but in several Asian countries this is not the case. Women have greater potential for certain types of intelligence and men for others. We're different, but there are crossovers. 2) no it doesn't, but it should. 3) As I said, hand to hand women are at a big disadvantage, but in many military and police forces nowadays guns, planes and drones do not require phys…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 03:55 PM
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1) Men do not have an average higher IQ than women - also IQ is not a great measurement of someone's true intelligence. I also don't think men's work ethic is greater than women's, show me studies to support that? Aggressiveness is definitely not so common in women, but it's also not the only way to 'get ahead'. 2) Who on earth claims women are equally strong? People shouldn't hit people, but hitting anyone who is physically weaker than you is bullying behaviour. Women shouldn't hit men and shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 02:05 PM
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I always compare human society to lion prides and I think the comparison stands up well. The females keep the day the day society going by raising the young, bringing in the majority of food and keeping the peace among pride members. The males protect the pride and assist bringing down larger prey and move the pride to better hunting grounds when necessary. Women are traditionally what keeps society together - traditionally we are the ones that raise the children, teach them the rules of society…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 09:13 AM
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The only commenters on here that I can recall espousing superior morality are RP men. According to many of them men are moral and women are amoral. I don't believe one gender is more moral than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 09:05 AM
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You sound like a misogynist and a narcissist so I don't actually care what you think - you represent a minority of the population, thank goodness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 08:49 AM
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Again with black and white - so many commenters here think this way. I don't believe not keeping score means having no boundaries. You can be a giving person without being a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 08:46 AM
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Ok, so what am I looking to 'accomplish' if I listen to someone's troubles on a train for a couple of hours and cheer them up with my advice and warmth? What's in it for me to take in stray animals even though it's a strain on my resources and emotions? What's in it for someone who risks their life to save someone else's? Your view is cynical and pessimistic and is theory, not fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 08:33 AM
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Ok, I get what you're saying. I agree that self-reliance is lacking in many people today. I'm very self-reliant but I'm also compassionate and altruistic - I think they can co-exist, but there need to be boundaries. That's what most people have a hard time with - creating boundaries that they can live within and not let others cross...moderation is often the hardest thing. I've certainly struggled not to let people take advantage of me, but I've also met people that I've helped or have helped me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 11:23 PM
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Wow, we have completely opposite views of the world then. Empathy and altruism are hugely lacking, in my view, and they're not weaknesses. And I wasn't trying to shame him, merely trying to get something less extreme than "don't expect me to lift a finger for anyone else" and "every man and woman for themselves". You don't think that sounds way along the spectrum towards callousness from the normal human willingness to help each other out sometimes? There is so much black and white thinking on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:38 PM
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Why are you taking my comment as black and white? I never said we should be pushovers or suckers or that if people aren't they're sociopaths....I said "not everything you do has to be of benefit to you"....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:11 PM
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In a way it is, but it's also in my nature and upbringing. Don't you think the world would be a better place if more people didn't feel the need to tally everything up?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 07:20 PM
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Thank you for this! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 07:13 PM
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Well, in many Western countries men do have paid paternity leave (paid maternity leave isn't even standard in the US, so they're way behind). It's also not particularly looked down on to be a SAHD and I don't see any evidence that women are worse than men in that regard. My dad was a SAHD in the 80s and the worst judgement he got was from his brother and male friends. I don't agree with that version of feminism and in my country rape is not framed as a male oppression of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 07:10 PM
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Did I say that? No one is that giving, of course not, but not giving at all because you don't see the benefit is the other extreme. Neither are normal or should be encouraged. Though I'd much rather be toward the giving end of the spectrum than the mean one....and I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:55 PM
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i'm sorry you feel you've been messed up by your mom. I've been messed up by my parents a lot, even though on paper they looked great. Being angry doesn't get you anywhere though - and deciding to believe misogynist BS like "single moms are totally incompetent at raising children alone" is only going to harm you more. Why is it always the mom's fault for being a single mom? How about if the dad died? How about if he up and left her for a higher 'value' woman? How about if he didn't want kids? Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:45 PM
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The women you know and have known have been bad (though I doubt all of them...). I'm sorry for that and I wish you had better women in your life, but seriously, there are plenty of good women and not just ones who were brought up in a time "when female character actually mattered". Human character matters, that does seem to be degrading in many people, but women aren't the only humans and some people don't need society to tell them to be good people, they just are. I hope you meet some of those …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:22 PM
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There is something called common decency where not everything you do needs to have a benefit to you...if you don't understand that, then you need start a search for your conscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:17 PM
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There are bigger problems with western society than marriage break ups. There is so much wrong and blaming feminism/women is only looking at a very small part of a big, broken picture. Also, the States seems pretty messed up to me when it comes to divorce/alimony/child support. I come from New Zealand and this 'divorce rape' of men is quite rare, if not almost impossible...We are a very gender equal society - meaning men don't get screwed just for being men and women don't 'win' just for being w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:12 PM
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Seems we're very much on the same page. Just wish some of the men on here would accept it and vent their frustrations without being so hateful, it doesn't really help anyone and I doubt many of them would say this stuff to my face...the ones that could aren't worth my kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:05 PM
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Oh, that all sounds pretty hard! I agree you can't live with her if cats are such a problem for you but asking her to give them up is unfair. Having your own space sounds like the best idea. I guess it's just up to you to decide whether this is a pretty ideal situation for you or if you want something more day to day with someone else....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 12:24 PM
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I agree. Compassion is needed and I think it's important to listen to these men about their issues and understand that a lot of it is anger from a still-festering wound. But, I do find it hurtful to read such very hateful things about women and it's hard to see past that sometimes to the hurt man underneath...And then there are definitely men around here/RP/MGTOW that have a long standing misogyny that is not based on a recent or real life injustice. Those are the ones that are hard to understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:46 AM
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There were 2 posts here yesterday that were promptly deleted along the same lines. "Do women have any redeeming qualities?" "Sluts should be stoned to save society from breakdown...." I don't think all of those men are trolling, I think many men there and on TRP have deep-seated misogyny and need to open their minds and stop seeing everything in black and white...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:41 AM
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I have always loved this quote!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:38 AM
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Ok, not so good then :( I love cats, but if you're allergic it must be extremely hard to live with them. Are you planning on having kids one day (not necessarily with this gf)? Because they are more demanding, dirtier and more obnoxious than cats most of the time! You're unlikely to be physically allergic to them though, lol. The insecurities worry me the most. She needs some professional help there - being so paranoid and jealous is not a natural thing. I think if you feel she is worried becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:38 AM
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Oh that's sweet! Sounds like you work well together. I'm sure there'll be RP guys who somehow think you're losing out, but it sounds like you have a good thing going! Poor you being allergic to cats though - that's got to suck! You must love her to put up with that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 09:54 AM
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I've always found it easy to make acquaintances (true friends are not something I cultivate often - I'm happier having a couple of good friends and just being friendly with other people), even though I grew up pretty isolated and hardly every go out! I think it is easier for some people than others but social skills are something that can be cultivated too. As for the opposite sex, I find it slightly easier with men than women. Although, yes, sometimes it is a little harder with men because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 09:50 AM
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Well done! That's just how it should be. If you start feeling used, it's a problem, but otherwise it's fine. There are likely other things that she pays more attention to than you do, but keeping score is extreme, imo!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 09:40 AM
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For a lot of couples I think who does the bulk of the chores sort of happens by default. Whoever is more naturally tidy tends to get the cleaning done sooner. Often this is the woman, but sometimes men are the more finicky. If you see an unmade bed or a dirty bench that needs wiping, do you really think it makes sense to call out to whoever didn't buy the house and say "clean this up!". If it bothers someone a lot, they will tend to just do it themselves. Even though I grew up with my dad at hom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:43 AM
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Ok. This sub has officially lost me. I can't deal with all this hatred of women any longer. I genuinely wanted to hear men's side of the story on here - I see how a lot of men struggle to have a good life - from relationships to jobs to existential questions. I have male friends and family members who struggle and I do care and I want to try to understand. I made a mistake thinking that this sub would be a good place to do that. There is so much misogyny here that can't even be shrugged off as b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 03:26 PM
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Ok, all of them are bullshit? Show me some that aren't then that prove your point? There are also studies that say there is very little discernible difference between male and female brains and most of how we behave is nurture - which should mean women have the same redeeming qualities men can have. I've certainly not seen any studies that support your stance that women have no redeeming qualities...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 03:14 PM
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You have truly decided women have no redeeming qualities and yet you are sure bitterness is not involved? It's nonsensical. What made you come to this conclusion? Have you made this decision about people of other religions, political beliefs or races than your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 03:11 PM
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Empathy, charity, nurturing, impulse control, less risk taking behaviors and a better ability to express yourself (I'll add: without bashing others as it's a trait many TRPers seem to lack).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 03:08 PM
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Sorry you've been personally hurt by a woman or two (and for some reason have NO good ones in your life) but if you seriously can't find any redeeming qualities in female nature then I think you need to see a shrink. You need some counseling to heal your trauma. It's not healthy to be so bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:59 PM
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It's not a myth a all. Many studies on brains and human behaviour consistently show women are more empathetic, charitable and sensitive. And not just to those closest to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:55 PM
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The fact the you put mostly masculine qualities in your list is exactly the reason the world needs to be more feminine. Society, and men especially, value masculine biology and strengths over feminine ones. That is not an objective measurement of qualities or virtues, it is skewed towards the things men more naturally bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 02:49 PM
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Crying isn't automatically weak. Often I admire men who cry because it shows they are not afraid of their emotions or what others think about that. If they cry over nothing or every day then it's rather worrying...! A weak man to me is a man who doesn't have the courage of his convictions. A man that just follows the prevailing view and doesn't think for himself. It's also weak if he uses his physical strength to bully and intimidate to get his own way - he should be above that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 01:07 PM
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I think men are more likely to commit suicide than women for several reasons. Most are nature, some are nurture. Nature: Men are generally more black and white about things, in my experience. They often seem to see a failure as something that is more insurmountable than a woman does. Part of this I think is that male brains seem to have more of a singular focus, which can be an advantage, but can also lead to tunnel vision. Meaning if he fails in that endeavour, it's a bigger deal because he doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 09:35 AM
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I said addicted, not a little addicted. There's a difference between forming a positive routine and being addicted to something. Some people do take exercise and weight loss/management too far and it becomes the primary focus of their self esteem and takes up a lot of their time. To me, that's not healthy....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:04 PM
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Yes, you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 10:58 AM
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What happens next in the movie is that she gets freaked out by his intensity and loses him in the crowd. I think that's how 99% of women would react to that look, regardless of how hot the guy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:49 AM
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Some of the after pics look too extreme. What I worry about with people that go through huge transformations is that they have addictive personalities - once they were addicted to food, now they are addicted to working out. Neither is healthy. As someone who has struggled with weight myself, I have a great deal of empathy for anyone who has/does also. It's not simple and turning someone down because they used to be fat is a simplistic reaction. But I feel like commenting on this honestly is stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:44 AM
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WTF?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:40 AM
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I think you're right to some degree - I think many women don't realise the effect they have on many men and how powerful it can be. I don't however agree that all men are this obsessed with women or that all women are unaware of the preoccupation. Many women are very preoccupied with men too, but maybe for reasons other than sex drive. I also don't agree that men were never meant to be valuable or worthy and only to compete for women and kill at will. That's a very dim view...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:31 AM
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Wow, that's an appalling estimation of woman's sex drives...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:25 AM
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Yes, overall they were more forgiving than the Germans. The Italians were forgiving too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 09:09 PM
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No, many of them weren't. Some of them had their heads shaved, but they were not shamed to the same extent as the women. This is a good article on the subject: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jun/05/women-victims-d-day-landings-second-world-war The majority of French citizens neither truly collaborated or resisted the occupation, they tried to get on with their lives and keep their heads down. Many did 'cooperate' however and it seems subjective which of those were punished and whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:49 PM
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And that's unfair, especially as it's beyond their control. But I doubt many women dump men because they start to go bald...Just as most men wouldn't dump a woman over a haircut...it's extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:08 PM
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Well, many people have fought on the wrong side of history - many are now. Does that mean they're all bad people? Loyalty to your country is deeply ingrained - going against the prevailing view and/or government of your country takes enormous personal courage. It's quite rare for people to have that. I personally think the US and U.K. and other Western countries have been wrong on several occasions in their recent military history - does that mean I see every soldier in their army as immoral? No…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:59 PM
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A) Sure, I'd like him to be this honest, doesn't mean I have to accept it though. B) Yes, he's wrong. But he sounds like an immature jerk...Hair is not what makes a woman feminine - how about if she lost it because of illness? Couldn't trust someone that superficial to stick with you through bad things, could you? If she reads this, then she should break up with him.... C) No. If it's so important to him I'm likely not that into him anyway - way too shallow. I would care about his opinion, but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:32 PM
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1) I don't find Brad Pitt hot at all - never have! I know I'm in the minority, but I don't find his face especially handsome. Same goes for George Clooney... 2) Jim Morrison very much so - even though he was a drug and alcohol abuser and really rather a mess - he was good looking, sexy and poetic. Male celebs that I think most women can see the attraction for: Chris Evans, Alexander Skarsgard,, Idris Elba, Jude Law... Ones I personally find very attractive: Sebastian Stan, Cillian Murphy, Lee Pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:23 PM
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Ok, but you're saying you have to switch out the words. I am saying the wording can be taken as misogynistic, sometimes the meaning behind it is not - sometimes it very much is... Well, I don't constantly criticise men on here - I've had some interesting dialogue with many who are very RP and they have often given me pause and made me think a bit harder. I just don't see the need for either 'side' to use inflammatory language in a debate - it's never going to get you honest, measured answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:10 PM
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I didn't say any of it was 'ok' but it is different than sleeping with a confirmed Nazi...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:06 PM
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If you have no other way to feed yourself or your children, you would do anything...Also, it wasn't only the women who slept with Nazi officers that were publicly shamed, it was also the women that slept with ordinary German soldiers. There is a difference there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:00 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:28 PM
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There are many reasons this happened - it's not going to be as simplistic as 'she's a traitor who just went for the most Alpha man, even though he's the enemy'. Some of these women slept with German officers because they didn't have anyone else in their life, their husbands were dead or imprisoned and they had no way to support themselves or their children. Some did it out of fear. Some did it out of greed. Some of them probably genuinely fell in love (not all German officers were bad men). How …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:27 PM
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Ok, you're sort of missing what i'm saying about the 'tone' being misogynistic and the wording being presumptuous and demeaning. Take this one: "But women bitch and moan when men want them to adhere to theirs (gender roles). They go into tirades about slut shaming, fat shaming, patriarchy, men being insecure, etc. You want all these things in a man, all these oppressive antiquated ideals of manhood but it's a problem to say you want a woman that's under 30, not a slut, not a single mother, not f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:18 PM
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Gosh, and here I was thinking Scandinavian countries (especially Norway for me) were some of the shining lights of my idealism....Where are you getting your stats? According to what I've found (wikipedia - I'm lazy!) the UK and Scandinavian countries have commensurate rates of homicide and the US much higher...The latest suicide rates are similar for the US and Scandinavia (maybe you are thinking of Baltic countries? Lithuania is appalling) - but quite a lot lower in the UK. Suicide is also very…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:08 PM
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Both in the OPs wording and in the comments. The wording is generalising and prejudicial about women and feminism (which in my definition is about sorting out women's issues first and foremost, not men and women's issues - but I know this is not everyone's definition) making assumptions of what we believe without backing it up. Saying we have lots of advantages and denying that we have (or have ever had) disadvantages. I'm not going to go through and find specific quotes. I mean, just the title …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:39 PM
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How is this about women specifically here on PPD having no empathy for men though? I completely and fully agree that there are issues that are biased against men and/or for women - but I don't see a lot of people in that thread denying that...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:28 PM
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Yeah, I didn't mean I would be likely to see it here in the UAE - misogyny is still alive and well in this country... I do come from NZ though - where I also don't believe radfem or misandry is the norm. We've had female prime ministers and are considered one of the top countries in the world for equal gender rights - so I feel feminism achieved most of it's goals there without dragging men through the shit. I just don't see radical feminism or misandry much anywhere and I've lived in NZ, UAE an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:17 PM
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Maybe I haven't read through all of that thread, but most of the women commenting seem to support men's rights? I think I counted like 3 that were truly against or completely uninterested in men's rights. There was a lot about circumcision, but that's more of a US thing than a male/female thing....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:00 PM
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I don't believe that radical feminism and misandry are the norm in society - certainly not where I live (UAE) or where I grew up (New Zealand). To me, the main thrust of feminism that has gotten the most attention and support is about creating a healthier, happier life for women not trying to pull the rug out from under men and make them suffer. It's been about giving women the opportunity to make choices they never had before - whether to be career-focussed, family focussed or try to do both. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:56 PM
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Well, for starters, read the text at the top of this post....And basically any post by setconsumes has sexist wording... And also the wording in all these posts is making some pretty harsh assumptions about women as a whole and hinting at a contempt for women in general. Replying kindly and thoughtfully to posts worded like this is going to be hard.... https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/68nng3/cmv_feminism_tries_to_curtail_mens_innate/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/co…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:49 PM
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I love this comment! You're summing up much of what TRP is about so beautifully. I'm so glad you've found a good woman and you haven't allowed your past abusive experience to taint your view of half the human population. Well done for being the healthiest person around here! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:58 PM
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This is a bit much. I think there are some men here that are pretty irredeemably misogynistic, but many are genuinely trying to understand what they view as our confusing gender! They're not bad men, just sometimes misguided and simplistic...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:51 PM
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This is also something I find surprising. Because they've been wronged by a woman they conclude all women are bad and can't be trusted. It's hard to understand that black and white feeling....
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:49 PM
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Yes, women are too scared of men and men like some of those in that thread don't help by suggesting that you're likely to get raped if you go to bed with a man you don't know well... Experiencing sex differently is mostly biological in my view, culture has an effect, but I believe it makes sense that women are the more vulnerable in terms of incurring physical harm during sex (I've never heard of a torn penis from penetration - although I have heard of a broken penis, which is horrifying, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:47 PM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:40 PM
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Thanks for linking that shoup!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:40 PM
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The only post I can remember recently of a man actually describing his problems was in regards to height. Most of the female comments were supportive and reassuring, if I remember correctly. Discussions about men's rights generally have a lot of empathy and support from women too. Of course men aren't going to get much empathy or sympathy from women on here if they post with deliberately misogynistic wording about their problems - it's hard not to get defensive when you read that and be supporti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:24 PM
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Ok. Maybe I'm wrong to say that many men have expressed a view that men are unable to help themselves - but that's what I extrapolate from comments saying that it's primarily a woman's fault for putting herself in a situation like that. That suggests that men are inherently untrustworthy and may rape women if given the opportunity. I also have a big problem with you and other men immediately doubting the validity of a woman's experience and retelling as if it must somehow not have been the guy's…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:13 PM
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I don't believe it's unreasonable to ask for examples for something you are so convinced of...There are likely plenty of examples of a lack of empathy from both men and women on this sub - but to say 'women have 0 empathy for men' is a very definitive and sweeping judgement. One explanation I have for women on here seeming unempathetic, is that often the posts here are overwhelmingly misogynistic. It's hard to have a lot of empathy and/or sympathy for someone that seems to deeply distrust and di…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:03 PM
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Can you tell me specific posts/comments that prove women have 0 empathy for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 02:10 PM
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Yeah, I have seen that! Look at the post about a woman wondering if she had been raped and if she was crazy because a man she had only known for a few hours penetrated her while she was sleeping. Lots of men on that thread seemed to believe it was the woman's fault for sleeping with the guy the night before and sleeping next to him for the night - apparently that made it understandable (if unethical) for him to force himself into her sleeping body! So, I take from that, that men seem to expect t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 01:59 PM
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I think their distrust of themselves, each other and women. A lot seem to believe that women should not trust men and have to be careful at all times. It's basically a woman's fault for putting herself in situations where a man might rape or hurt her - like men can't help themselves and can't be trusted. To me, that's very sad and it surprises me that many men here seem to have a dim view of their own sex, as well as ours...I guess the overall pessimism has surprised me a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 11:49 AM
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Yes, this is very true!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 11:39 AM
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This is a horrible situation and shouldn't have happened - women should be very well aware that hitting a man is absolutely stupid and could get them seriously injured. They also, like men, should be taught that hitting people is really never justified and is a cowardly way of expressing yourself. What should a man do in this situation? Well it depends on his physical superiority over the woman. Generally a man is going to be significantly stronger, but not always. If he's small and she's big, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 11:39 AM
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Thanks! We'll see...:)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:51 PM
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I hear you. I'm a very natural counselor - people dump their feels on me a lot and I have to withdraw because it takes it out of me. We need to work together idealists and pragmatists - like male and female, we can balance each other out :) I like to think I'm not as squishy as an INFP though...;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 05:24 PM
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People do often seem unashamed of being very fat nowadays. It shows a total lack of pride/interest in your appearance....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 05:15 PM
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What do you think of infjs? Just curious :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 05:12 PM
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Me too - my dad faced a lot of prejudice from his own family and also difficulties with 'mum' groups that wouldn't accept him and baby changing facilities that were only in female restrooms....That was in the 80s but it's still something I rarely hear about these days and if I do, a lot of people snigger at it. It shouldn't be stigmatized at all, but being a SAHM is stigmatized a lot these days too, so I don't see it getting much better....
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 05:08 PM
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I think the best way to describe the level of physical aggression I want in a man is: he shouldn't start fights, but he should be able to end them.... Hot tempered men scare me and I definitely don't find bullies at all attractive. Some women are especially attracted to violent/criminal men and it has a name: hybristophilia. It's mostly used to describe women who pursue killers - like the many women who professed love for and sent fan-mail to serial killers like Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez and Je…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:55 PM
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Agreed! Some of the guys here seem to think consent classes must be one-sided and anti-men when that's not the case. Maybe many of them are, but they shouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:14 PM
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I agree that he shouldn't be imprisoned for what he did. But should he not even be made aware of how his stupid actions have plagued OPs mind? No. Being accused of sexual assault is fair enough and hopefully enough to scare him into thinking things through. OP should move on, but she's perfectly entitled to feel violated and let him know that. Now if she publicly named him and/or brought charges against him now, I wouldn't support that at all. But technically this was non-consensual sex and anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 01:13 PM
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Since when is all sexual assault brutal? Just because she doesn't have physical injuries doesn't make it an assault. What I think we need is different terms based on the seriousness of the assault, then there wouldn't be such an argument over the wrongdoing - 'rape' and 'sexual assault' do sound rather brutal. Should we call it penetrative molestation or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:34 PM
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Ok, I don't think women are angels and men are shitty. I don't think in such a black and white way, which is why I find it offensive when someone says 'women are liars' as if it's an irrefutable core trait of the gender - it's not. I agree though that women do tend to lie more with the view towards 'sparing feelings' - this is, imo, because women tend to need to create harmony more than men and being blunt is not always conducive to that. Should women be more straightforward? Yes, I think that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:07 PM
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We are obviously not in the least bit on the same page then. I do believe you can be attractive and overweight - male or female. People who can't see past that are generally superficial and too serious. I know IQ is not a measure of functionality, but it can show someone's potential to contribute and succeed. Formal education and fitting in are more and more overvalued - individuality and originality are becoming better recognized as vital for progress. I think helping animals is an indicator of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:58 AM
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The following morning is not JUST after....he did fuck a woman he barely knew who was unconscious when he started. How is that not troubling and possibly traumatizing? Maybe some women could shrug it off, but that doesn't mean it's meaningless or an 'accident'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:49 AM
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Because he penetrated the sleeping body of a woman he barely knew without her consent. It's not an accident - he didn't roll over in his sleep and amazingly find his penis in her vagina! Personally, I wouldn't press charges if the guy is aware that it was wrong and is remorseful - but it still is technically sexual assault. Just as it would technically be burglary if I took a handbag from a store, then changed my mind just after I waked out and brought it back to the shop assistant and said I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:44 AM
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Exactly!! Apologizing is 'good' because it shows some awareness of wrongdoing and hopefully remorse - doesn't take away from the fact that he deliberately did it in the first place though...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:40 AM
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True :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:01 AM
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/u/LewisCross has some good points. But it's tainted by the emphasis on women being liars. That accusation is offensive and unfair. Also, women can be and are sexually attracted to men who are kind, funny, successful and intelligent. I am truly attracted to Frankie Boyle and would have sex with him - even though he's a flabby, middle-aged, nerdy looking ginger Glaswegian! His confidence, jet black humour, biting insight and social awareness are sexy to me. But I suppose you think I'm lying...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:52 PM
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Yes! My dad was very anti psych meds (because he was put on Prozac once and it caused lots of side effects) and it took me so many years to get over that stigma and try an antidepressant (Cymbalta) and it changed things a lot! It broke me out of a self-sabotaging over-thinking loop that I had basically been in since puberty and I wish I had taken it 10+ years ago and it would have saved me so much pain and stagnation....
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:43 PM
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Brilliant! Especially the bit about keeping connected - it's so easy to let those sorts of friendships drift away, but a text or email is all you need to just keep a connection going and you'll never regret that. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:37 PM
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This is my experience too. Advice doesn't really equal knowledge - it's information and unfortunately I dismissed a lot of it until I really came to know it myself...Maybe some people are easy to influence - I was not!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:35 PM
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It's sexual assault, definitely. The fact that he apologized sincerely and stopped when you asked, is a good sign though. I don't think he should be in legal trouble over it if he does feel remorse (and hopefully never does it again) but you have every right to be mad at him (and tell him he assaulted you). It was a violation of your body and your trust - I hope he can understand that - and I hope some of the men here who believe it was no big deal will have some empathy too! You're not crazy at…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:18 PM
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Exactly this!! Big difference between this happening in an established relationship and a one night stand...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:12 PM
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It depends what you define as ugly? Is fat (not morbidly obese, but obviously too heavy) automatically ugly? Is being very skinny? Having crooked teeth? Nose too big for your face? To me, ugliness is more than just facial features or body shape. It's a way of carrying yourself. I've seen people with terrible acne who are objectively ugly, but I don't care because they are engaging in some other way, they still dress well and carry themselves well. There is also a difference between 'not being ug…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:10 PM
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Like everyone else is saying - stop stalking her! It's very unhealthy and will only make you unhappy - and potentially make her very fearful. If I were you and you really want to try to connect with her - do it face to face. Tell her you noticed her and followed her and you know that's strange but you just have to talk to her....if she gets scared and tells you fuck off, leave her alone and never go back! I believe that sometimes love can be 'at first sight' - but it has to be somewhat mutual! Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:04 PM
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I disagree. Beauty is much more than the physical. Men can be physically beautiful but if they open their mouth and say stupid/ignorant/hateful shit, then their beauty diminishes a lot! They can be physically nothing special (or 'alpha') but say the right things, and suddenly they are much more attractive. I have really 'weird' crushes on comedians David Mitchell and Frankie Boyle. Neither are 'alphas' in the way you mean, but both are very intelligent, insightful and confident - and that makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:58 PM
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Good post! I agree - and have a bit more to add :) Being generous is a highly attractive trait in men and women, imo. In my experience, being someone who is willing to give without a perceived reward/payoff is a great friend/partner. Some people do it more naturally and easily than others though. I'm naturally giving and conciliatory - I will usually compromise to make someone I care about happy if I perceive it's important to them. If I perceive they are just using me and don't really need it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:52 PM
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If you can find the perfect balance of neediness and you're a man who likes that, fine - but you're likely not going to find all those 'positive' needy traits in one person without getting some very bad needy traits too. Some men also don't want a woman who is needy - wanting to know where you are all the time, hanging off your every mood/word, getting upset if you ignore her or misinterpret her - she's kind of a fragile being unable to keep herself from shattering. If you put a foot wrong she m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:39 PM
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Good, it shouldn't be the way some people here describe it - with someone being able to make huge profits from divorce. There's always going to be cases where it works out unfairly, but this kind of arrangement should work well for most divorces I should think...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:45 PM
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Practically never! I might think 'that's quite typical of men', but I don't actually think all men.... It's one thing that really irks me about this sub and the way a lot of the terpers discuss things - it's ridiculously black and white and frankly comes off as hateful sometimes when they can't even bring themselves to admit that there are exceptions to their rigid view of female character... I think I've joked about 'men don't listen' or 'men are lazy (about housework) but I don't actually beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:42 PM
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I don't think anyone is saying that men don't care about their children, are they? I haven't read that. But you have to admit there are many men that are not as invested in the day to day lives of their children as their wives might be, and in a divorce, doesn't it make sense that whoever spent most of the time with/on the kids should continue to do so? My dad was my primary caregiver throughout my childhood, so I'm certainly not someone who believes women care more than men about their children…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:23 PM
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Not the case in New Zealand at all, and I dare say, probably not the case in most countries. The American system is deeply flawed - no one should be making huge financial profits/losses in a divorce....
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:16 PM
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The bitterness in this comment is immense! You're so emphatic that it's always about the money....it's never about getting away from physical/emotional abuse, falling in love with someone else or leaving a cheating spouse? EVERY woman would put up with abuse/cheating if she knew she wouldn't get paid out from the divorce? What a load of shit! I'm from New Zealand where alimony (or spousal maintenance, as we call it) is actually quite unusual nowadays and is almost always a temporary arrangement …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:14 PM
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A lot of men would not see this as a serious rape...they think it's hot that a woman should force herself on a boy, because he got his dick in a woman and that trumps everything! It's mostly men who stigmatise other men/boys for being raped by women. They believe surely the man could physically overpower the woman if he really didn't want it? And what guy would say no to free pussy anyway, especially if she's attractive? I don't think you'll find many feminists, no matter how hardcore, who truly…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:53 PM
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Those are extremely high standards and pretty hard for the vast majority of women to live up to. I have 5 of them - 6 if you think you can be beautiful AND overweight, which most people think is impossible. Also, I'm highly self-educated and have a high IQ, but don't have a college degree....I rescue animals - does that count as charity work?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:40 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3881604/ Even if they're at lower risk of genetic abnormalities (a claim that isn't discussed in this article) they are at mich higher risk of the health issues that can stem from being cared for by an underage, immature mother. Here is an article about teenage pregnancy that certainly contradicts your assertions: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/06june/Pages/teenage-pregnancy-death-rate-concern.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:30 PM
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What? There are plenty of extensive studies that show that those offspring with a maternal age below 20 or above 35 have markedly worse adult health. There is nothing to suggest that the offspring of a 15 year old is better than that of a 30 year old. What makes you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:56 PM
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Who likes 'needy' people? The word implies someone who takes, or wants to take, a lot more from you than they give. That's not appealing to anyone in a partner... Also, if men 'need' women for sex, how is that different from women 'needing' emotional support or excitement from men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:06 PM
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Don't you think maybe educating both genders about rape and what leads to it is a better idea than putting all the responsibility on women? I think it's important to teach young men that an erection is not a poisoning that needs an immediate antidote and that being very horny doesn't make it understandable to force yourself on someone. I don't really agree with 'there has to be explicit verbal consent' and I do think there are grey areas, but men should certainly be discouraged from wanting to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:59 PM
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But there's no evidence to support that it does reduce the risk of health problems for the majority....According to WHO statistics 1/3 of the male world population over the age of 15 is circumcised, so unless there is an unreported foreskin-related epidemic in 2/3 of the male population, it certainly isn't a major reason to circumcise. IMO, it is a form of mutilation (though not as severe as the majority of forms of FGM) and it shouldn't be accepted and even promoted in the West the way it is. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:24 PM
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Absolutely. I just want everyone to be as equal as possible - if men are discriminated against in some areas it's just as unfair as if women are and it is just as wrong. I think some feminists may be against it because they are the sort of people that can only bolster their own cause by denigrating/marginalising others - just as there are anti-feminists on here who believe women have it all good, always have done and we don't need to discuss women's rights at all...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:47 AM
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A lazy husband is simply someone who is not equally invested in a relationship = i.e. doesn't share burdens (whether they be finances, chores/work, decision-making, etc), thinks all he has to do to keep his marriage a happy one is not to anything obviously bad (like cheat), doesn't listen or seem interested in her opinions/hobbies, expects his wife to do everything for him at home even if she works just as hard...Basically taking someone for granted is lazy... I would call my dad a pretty lazy h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:17 AM
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Should be legal, I totally agree. I think there are some men who would benefit - but mostly it's for the good of the sex workers that prostitution should be decriminalised. I'm from New Zealand and prostitution has been legal for many years and that just seems logical to me. There will always be some men who seek the company of prostitutes, and there will always be some women willing to provide that service...the women should be protected (as much as possible - but I'm not sure regulated brothel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:00 AM
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Only if he wasn't insecure about his height! But I'm 5'4", so men shorter than me are relatively rare....
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:56 PM
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I've experienced self hatred off and on for years. I can only speak from my own female experience. I internalize a lot. I blame myself for everything little thing, feel worthless, like a disappointment to my family and my self. I self harmed as a teenager. Watching my dad go through depression I have an insight into how a 'typical' man might experience it. It's much more externalized: feeling like they're letting people down, but getting angry at others about it, rather than pushing that anger i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 07:06 PM
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I get what you're saying. I just wish and ultimately believe there's a better way. I do sometimes think the best thing I can do is find a good man (doesn't need to be 'Chad'), support him and his outside work and raise children with the best ideals and knowledge I can give them. In that sense I am very feminine, but I also have a desire to break the mold. I'm not a sheep and I never will be. Most people are. Maybe I just need to be arrogant and accept I'm exceptional... Anyway, it's after 1 and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:18 PM
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How could I fail to take it personally? You are making a sweeping statement about all women. I am a woman. Am I missing something? Is there nuance here you don't really admit to? I can only speak for one woman, myself. I don't reward criminals, womanizers or psychopaths - but I certainly see society doing that and woman included. It's wrong and I wish I could shake those women and tell them to not be so superficial and thoughtless. I hate the way some women treat men. I hate the way some men tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:57 PM
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I disagree that idealism deals in black and whites. Yes there has to be a balance, but it has to be in favor of idealism - pushing things forward in a positive way that challenges people. Of course I know that not everyone can rise above their nature - but we should strive to and encourage others to do so. Things need to change, we're in agreement about that. And thanks for the disrespect at the end. We've been having an interesting conversation but you've just basically told me I'm incapable of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:43 PM
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I'm talking about men in the country I live in - the UAE - not men the world over. Anyway, I'm an idealist, so I'm never going to accept that the only way for society to function is for us to return to the past. Everyone should have the right to choose what kind of life they want, but everyone should be educated enough to know what those choices mean and that you can't always have exactly what you want. Life isn't fair, but expecting the genders to adhere to strict roles is not fair either. Blac…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:14 PM
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In this country it's the vast majority of male citizens who have this advantage. This seems to be what a lot of men want and it doesn't work well here...seems to me that balancing the feminine and masculine in society is the only way forward and it has never been the case. It's not right as it is now, but it never has been. This is not the fault of feminism or women, it's a fault of human frailty, arrogance and shortsightedness. I don't think feminism is the salvation or the damnation many make …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:40 PM
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Society today is ruled by a psychopathic mindset - I don't think that's because of feminism though. I think the extremes of feminism are clearly influenced by it however. There is just a push towards everyone being more selfish, superficial and callous today - women don't drive that, they can be victims of it like anyone else. See, this is where you lose me. "You ignore that most betas are ruled by their woman. Massive amounts of psychological and emotional control" I don't really get the whole …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:09 PM
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I think a lot of terpers would agree with those Bible quotes! Women should be seen, not heard. Women are here to look nice, be sexually available whenever the man desires and should produce and raise children. They are basically property that the man should look after. If she has her own mind and desires to contribute to society with her intellect and hard work, she is not a real woman and any man who truly loves and respects her isn't a real man...they're basically salivating over the dark ages…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:12 PM
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This gives me mixed feelings. I tend to say hello to people who say hello to me. I also smile at people if they are genuinely being friendly. I don't engage with them but I acknowledge them. I've had women tell me I look nice as I walk past - I say 'thank you so much' give them a smile and keep going with my day. I do the same to men. Is it harassment? I think most of those examples are fine and women shouldn't make a big deal/worry about it. But the guy walking along beside her for 5 minutes is…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:01 AM
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In my life, I'd say men take some things a lot harder than women, but they are more used to 'banter' and teasing than most women are. I'd say it has to do less with gender and more with upbringing. Personally, ime, women are emotionally tougher - even if they don't seem it on the outside. We might cry more, but we keep going - I know quite a few men who are forever changed by a relationship breakup or career humiliation. They might not show it much on the surface, but they seem to be more deeply…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:46 PM
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A nice face trumps pretty much everything else physically (but there is nothing attractive about Bieber!). I mean, you're going to spend a lot of time looking at someone's face and eyes and not so much noticing how tall or built they are...Height is nice, but it's not something I'd dismiss someone over - or ignore other traits for. James McAvoy is all kinds of hot and he's 5'7" - I'd take him over Channing Tatum or Chris Hemsworth any day!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:40 PM
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I lose respect for men if they use their physical superiority to bully others. It shows a lack of intelligence, courage and self-control. That's the major one - bullies are complete cowards and turn me right off. Another is being dogmatic - extreme inflexibility of opinions/beliefs is just arrogance and that's not something I can respect. Also, if I don't feel like you'll physically put yourself on the line to protect me/a child/pet, then I will think you're not 'man enough' and I don't apologis…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 04:52 PM
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I think you are right in that respect - some men obviously see being raped as better if it's a beautiful girl and worse if it's an ugly one. That sounds pretty awful to me, but I'm a woman, so I don't see it the same way! That's like saying if Sebastian Stan were to rape me I wouldn't be as traumatised as I would if it were tries hard to think of truly ugly actor Willem Dafoe (sorry, great actor, but physically unappealing)! Sorry, I wouldn't think of it that way - being raped is pretty much bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 01:14 PM
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I think the woman you were kind and incredibly supportive to is a moron for staying with an abusive man when she had someone really trying their best to help her. But hey, you can't change people that don't want to be changed... I think sometimes, and this is coming from my very feminine mind, that many women do like to 'stay put' when they have found a man they expect to spend their life with and even if he turns out to be a bad person (whether to her or to others) she will rationalise it and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 01:03 PM
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How about using sex toys to simulate it? Or fantasizing about it? If a woman likes the idea, is it a bad sign even if she doesn't genuinely want to do it with another man?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:25 AM
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It's an issue of consent. Most people feel violated when someone does something to them without their consent - whether it's violent (as it is in some cases of rape) or not. Think of having your house burgled - a lot of people find that traumatic because someone who you didn't invite was in your home, and even if they didn't take anything, it's a violation of somewhere you feel safe. If it's your own body, it's a much greater sense of violation. We tend to think of rape in terms of penetration o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:12 AM
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That's really awful and I'm sorry. I can imagine that being the case as many women do have a fear of assault from a stranger - even though statistically it's highly unlikely the man approaching you is a Ted Bundy! There are so many tv shows, movies and books that focus on women being victims of predatory men that I think it has made some women paranoid....I mean logically you know it's unlikely, but after you've seen slasher movies, crime shows, etc, being approached by a guy (especially when al…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 07:56 AM
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I can understand this in a way, but I think it's oversimplified. My father is an artist and he's always said that life drawing men is boring - too many straight lines! He also thinks the ugliest human is female but so is the most beautiful, lol...Women seem to come in a wider variety of shapes and sizes too. I'm a straight woman and I do find men aesthetically pleasing and appreciate handsome faces with strong jaw lines, broad shoulders, strong thighs (grew up on rugby men!)...I'm not into the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 10:48 PM
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I'll try to 'change your view' but your emphatic wording tells me you're likely not very open to that... I think some people are open to being talked to and some aren't. I've been told I'm an attractive person (female), and I've tried to engage with people (both male and female) in casual situations and been shrugged off - usually politely. Sometimes people return my smiles and chit chat, sometimes they look at me like I'm a mosquito...It happens. Some people just don't like strangers talking to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 08:45 PM
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I don't think he's an evil Nazi. Cut and dry self defense is punching someone who is trying to hit you with weapon. This situation doesn't seem cut and dry to me. I think they should all be investigated impartially. I don't think we're capable of doing that over the Internet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 05:00 AM
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I watched the clip again and I don't see a bottle....
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 04:32 AM
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I didn't see she had a wine bottle and was going to hit him with it. All I saw was a woman getting up in a man's face and him punching her....I believe in the right to peaceful protests and gatherings, I also believe in the right of people to go and tell those people protesting that they disagree. Bringing bottles, etc, shouldn't be allowed and the police should do their job in they regard. His criminal history has to do with it because you said that the people she was up against 'were not crimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 04:31 AM
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The man who punched the woman is a convicted criminal and has strong racist leanings. I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for the alt-right movement, nor do I have much for those that want to go into a street battle with them. Still, I hardly thing punching a small woman does anything for his cause but make people dislike him even more. She, however will have her story embellished positively because she was the victim of an assault caught on camera.... That's about all I know about it. I under…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 03:47 AM
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Well, I hadn't considered all of that, thank you for this insightful reply...I think I am much more in line with the first wave feminism, but I probably have been influenced heavily by the current wave as I am a modern woman...much to think about and learn! 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 03:35 AM
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Sorry, not sure how I didn't reply to you. Individual sovereignty to me is about the rights of the individual to decide what to do with their life. At its most extreme I guess it is anarchy. But that's not the way I meant. I lean much more to the anarchist side than the authoritarian though...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 03:32 AM
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Individual sovereignty and anarchism are not one and the same...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 07:56 PM
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Formal education is highly overrated, imo, you can learn a lot from being curious in life and and educating yourself, rather than being 'schooled'. Not saying it isn't necessary for some careers, but I think going to college and then getting a job you actually want is becoming rarer...That's a whole other debate for some other subreddit!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:50 PM
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Yes, it's not hard to be polite to someone, yet still drop major hints you're not up for more than a little small talk. Nothing wrong with trying. I've spoken to people on the train because they were watching, reading or saying something interesting that I thought they might like to chat about - if they don't want to talk, no worries, if they do (which happens quite a lot) then you can have a good conversation and maybe go on to more from there - or never see each other again! Either way, it's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:47 PM
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I'm truly sorry to hear that. No one deserves to be bullied. I'm not sure your experience is true of all men though... I'm an idealist - I don't think that sort of shit should be happening to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:09 PM
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Well, I don't agree with everyone 'demolishing' him for that...it's stupid, but that doesn't mean you deserve to get a disproportionate beating....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:58 PM
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Well, I'm definitely not bluepill or that kind of feminist then....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:55 PM
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Exactly! Very well put! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:43 PM
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Well, that is sad! He should have spoken to her if what she was doing was something he is knowledgeable about and interested in...now if he just thought she was cute and didn't have any reason to talk to her other than to chat her up/ask her out, then I'd agree he should not interrupt... Honestly, if I was studying something and someone started talking to me (male or female, attractive or not) about it in a genuine, engaging way, I'd be really happy....It's nice when people notice you and what y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:43 PM
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I pretty much agree with this. Feminism, at least the kind I believe in, is about women's issues and improving the legal and social conventions that may discriminate against women. It's about trying to correct casual sexism and give women more choice in their lives. It's not about oppressing men or anything of the sort... Do some feminists just want to denigrate their 'opposition'? Sure, but many (I would argue most, but I cant't know for sure) do not - they just want individual sovereignty... I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:33 PM
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Ok, the reason I say radical feminist, is because a lot of radical feminists assert that men and women are completely on the same footing and there is no difference in how the genders should treat each other. I don't agree with that, I'm not a radical feminist, obviously you're not - but I flippantly said you are more of one than me based on your disregard for the physical differences... If you think it's an outdated form of chivalry to treat women physically more gently, then that's up to you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:30 PM
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You obviously believe men and women are completely equal, at least on a physical level. Most men don't think hitting a woman is the same as hitting a man - it's biology for men to be somewhat protective of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:01 PM
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Sadly there are many examples of women not caring how a man earns his money as long as he brings it in. I think that's changing now that women are more likely to earn good money themselves, but some women are always going to be attracted to money no matter what. I know I'm not going to knowingly be involved with a CEO of an immoral company or a mob boss no matter how much money he brings in....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:09 PM
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Obviously you're more of a radical feminist than I am....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 02:45 PM
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I think you've pretty much nailed it. It's good to engage with others and be open about some ideas and opinions that are not mainstream and (by and large) not be castigated for it! But there are some extreme opinions and reactions that might get under my skin eventually....
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 02:12 PM
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Well, I guess I do. We'll have to agree to disagree...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 02:03 PM
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Possibly things have changed in a year - you change pretty rapidly at that age....Anyway, what's your alternative? No age of consent - so men and women are free to seek out sexual relations with anyone as long as they are physically capable of sex? The law is there to protect the vulnerable, doesn't mean it's perfect, but the alternative of no age of consent is pretty scary...Do you think an adult (let's say 20+) having sex with a 14 year old is really fine in ththe majority of cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 01:58 PM
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I didn't say fighting back when a woman hits you is cowardly - don't twist my words....But men who punch women the way they would a man because she hit him first are cowardly. They have the physical strength to restrain a woman without causing her grievous bodily harm (punching, especially when you are strong, can cause serious injuries and men seem to have evolved to withstand punches better than women: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27720617) If I (lost my mind and) punched a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 01:47 PM
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I don't know where you're reading/hearing all this one-sided genital bashing? I think it's quite common for people to joke about genitalia and I don't see women or men getting 'outraged' about it. People who do need to develop a sense of humour - I don't think genitalia are meant to be aesthetically pleasing and anyone who finds it particularly important is probably in the minority (and probably male, as men are more visually focused)....The only good reason I can see for surgically changing gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 01:04 PM
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You sound incredibly paranoid about women! Yes, we all got together after age 20 and decided collectively that it would be in our interest to create an age of consent (that goes for both genders, btw) because otherwise men would only ever want sex/relationships/offspring with 13-18 year olds... Man, no one is saying that it's impossible to find a 14 year old girl attractive - hell, I started puberty at 11 and looked a lot older than I was by 12. Would that make it ok for some 20 year old man to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:09 AM
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This is where I think life can be much worse for men. The homeless rates for men are much higher than women. Women are more helpless and vulnerable to abuse/murder/rape on the streets, so are going to get a higher priority for accommodation. That's just a fact. I also think that society still expects men to have a career and is less concerned if women don't. If a man doesn't have a job/income, then his societal value does go down, no doubt about it. A woman's value might fall a but, but people a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:22 AM
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This just makes the guy sound like he can't live with a woman who might be his intellectual equal/superior. That makes him a bit of a coward. If a man truly wants to be the dominant partner, then he should be capable of doing that without needing the chips stacked in his favour.... I am a non-college woman, but highly self-educated. I don't know where that puts me, but I do think I'm many a man's equal in intellect (and superior often too, if we're talking IQ) - I don't need college to tell me t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:11 AM
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There's a reason society frowns upon men hitting women and it's not because women are 'getting it easy' for no reason....It's because women are physically weaker and even if a man is the same size or smaller than a woman, he is likely stronger and it's not a fair fight...It's all to do with a sense of fairplay, not that women get preferential treatment. If a woman is dumb enough to truly hit a man (I'm not talking a little slap...), she deserves to be restrained and anything more serious should …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:05 AM
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What are 'wifely attributes' exactly? Being kind of a homebody and good at cooking etc....? I am a woman with 'attributes' from both lists: *I'm very feminine in mind and appearance (but overweight) *I'm a virgin (sshhh!), but can imagine being very sexual with the right man *I can't imagine not being monogamous *I love to cook and look after people *I definitely don't want a big wedding (what a waste of money!), but I do like the idea of being married (even if it's just at a registry office) *I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 04:30 PM
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I think you likely have to be a very self-assured and outgoing woman to be totally down with ONSs. It's a risky thing to do seeing as you're going to be alone with a person you don't know, who is physically much stronger than you. If you're horny, your vibe is a safer bet! If you could somehow guarantee the guy was totally non-violent or obsessive and would be fun in bed, then I'd be more likely to do it - but how do you know that for sure when you've literally only talked to someone for at most…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 04:19 PM
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This is so very true!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 06:29 AM
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Thanks a lot! 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 08:47 PM
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I hope you will find the right woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 07:10 PM
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34% Traditionalism 68% Liberal Feminism 48% Radical Feminism 56% Marxist Feminism 56% Cultural Feminism I thought I'd be higher on cultural feminism than liberal feminism, but overall it seems pretty accurate for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 11:58 AM
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I was just thinking about this. I seem to read so much on the internet that basically says being overweight automatically makes you ugly/unattractive. It doesn't matter if you have a nice face, having an out of shape body reflects poorly on your character and is just not attractive. It's nice to see so many men here disagree. I put myself on http://www.mybodygallery.com/search.html?gender=female&height=163&age=any&weight=86&pantSize=any&shirtSize=any&bodytype=hourglass a while back (grey and bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 11:04 AM
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I think maybe you are missing out on women who might be perfect for you by likely having too specific a wish list of traits. Would it really be the worst thing if you found a woman who fulfilled intelligence, good judgement and interesting but wasn't particularly beautiful or was maybe a bit overweight? I just think, of all the traits, looks are the most tenuous. I'm not saying you should go for ugly or obese or something, but maybe expecting a 10/10 is just going to leave you with too few optio…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 10:50 AM
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You make a lot of good points. I completely acknowledge that women are physically weaker than men, though there are plenty of women with as much physical endurance as men - i.e. marathon swimmers, mountaineers...Anyway, the vast majority of women are physically weaker. Emotionally and intellectually I don't agree quite so strongly. I certainly know women who are emotionally stronger than the men in their lives - and ones that are more intelligent. But I think often women lack the ambition or dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 10:14 AM
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So I can't be respected and attractive, even if I have all other qualities like logic, stoicism and strength? I don't expect 'pussy passes', I just expect common courtesy. How do you see men that have female friends? Ones they have never shown any sexual interest in, but still retain close ties with? Is it impossible for the sexes to actually be friends or colleagues? Should I suspect that behind every man that seems to be treating me as an equal and with respect, is a man who lusts after me and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 10:54 PM
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That is fascinating...it's also upsetting to think that a lot of men see women as childlike in a sense: they need to be protected and 'loved' but not listened to because they don't have the mental capacity to stand alongside men. The way he says: 'we love you' is very creepy to me - possessive, condescending and honestly, devoid of the emotions I associate with love. I fully acknowledge that men and women are different and we don't see someone of the opposite sex the same way we see someone of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 06:39 PM
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Did something happen to you in particular to make you believe all women are untrustworthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 06:13 PM
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Man you're depressing....You've never felt protective of an equal, or maybe even someone you look up to? I sure have....but I'm not a man, so what do I know?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 04:25 PM
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Excellent and thoughtful post! I was actually going to post a topic about arranged marriage...maybe some people here think it would be a good way around a lot of these issues...Personally I don't think arranged marriage is the worst idea. TRP seems very black and white for the most part to me. There is some good, confidence-building advice, but there is also so much shitting on women and men who are not RP. That to me reeks of insecurity: needing to push others down in order to boost your own co…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 04:23 PM
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Yes, I think you're right that it undervalues male character - and female character along with it. So you are asexual? Or celibate? The price is too high? Do you feel the same way about having a pet because it will likely die before you do and emotionally that is 'costly'? I think it's rather sad that you believe love is an illusion...I agree though that your accomplishments and character are highly important and cannot be taken from you - but I think part of accomplishments and character is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 03:57 PM
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No one. It just makes sense to me that in order to truly love someone you are not 'programmed' to love (like children) surely you need to respect them and think highly of them? Can you do that with someone you truly believe is fundamentally inferior to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 03:52 PM
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The love we have for children is quite distinct from any other kind of love. I am talking about sharing love with another human who is not dependent on you or related to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 02:37 PM
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That all makes sense to me. I'm glad it helped you feel more happy and confident in yourself. Being dominant in a relationship is fine, as long as the woman is happy to take the more submissive role. Sometimes (less often, of course) men are the more submissive in a relationship and I think that's fine too...I guess I have a natural tendency to dislike broadly stereotyping people, but I acknowledge that it has it's advantages, as long as people don't take it to the extreme. Some men are actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 12:48 PM
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I see what you're saying. I guess it's hard not to be offended by some of the posts and rhetoric on here and TRP, but I need to bear in mind that most people are just trying to seek self improvement and gain insights into others...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 11:49 AM
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Thank you for this excellent reply! I agree that Psychopaths don't necessarily feel nothing, it's more like they feel things in a much more self-important kind of way - like all or nothing. And they don't care what other people feel - but they do care what other people think and how they appear to others...would that be a good way to put it? Those are the so-called 'high functioning' psychopaths anyway... I also know that most psychopaths are not evil killers - but they're probably not the sort …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 11:45 AM
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Their emotions are often limited to anger, envy, sadness, disgust, shallow happiness, pride and anticipation. Many studies have shown they don't feel fear like normal people. They also don't experience empathy, kindness or love in the usual way (if at all). It seems a very pitiable disorder to me - feeling mostly negativity and never feeling love.... If you want love, but believe in TRP theory, then how can you love a woman who you inherently distrust, feel is inferior and have to develop strate…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 10:51 AM
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Ok, I guess I just find it hard to believe you can share love with someone you truly feel is your inferior. Animals are a whole other matter....
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 10:40 AM
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Psychopathic traits are very common - the capitalist system is basically psychopathic and most people are encouraged to be self-serving, shallow and pretty ruthless to get to the 'top' these days. That doesn't mean that having psychopathic traits makes a person a true psychopath or that it makes them 'evil', etc. Criminal psychopathy generally involves violence, which is obviously not advocated by TRP. Well, a lot of the posts on TRP do seem to see women as prey, not as equals. I'm not trying to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 10:35 AM
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Well, I am learning a lot here about the way men feel their manhood is being undermined in today's world and it's very sad. I'll read that link and let you know my thoughts. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 06:16 PM
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What makes a man weak to me is bowing to peer pressure and not following his own moral compass. To me it's also weak to be a slave to your impulses and desires. A strong man can be a stay at home dad, a nurse, a carer...Sometimes it's very strong to go against the prevailing view and not strive for the psychopathic 'alpha' type lifestyle TRP seems to espouse. If a big strong truly 'alpha' guy wouldn't put aside his plans to assist someone in distress or save a kitten stuck in a drain, then he's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 06:09 PM
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Yes, I basically care about everyone - whether I like them still or not. I had to 'break up' with a friend a few years ago because I couldn't handle her emotional vampirism, but I still care about her and hope she is doing well...I think once you love someone, you never completely stop - even when they are no longer physically a part of your life. I think in many ways we agree with each other. I like to be feminine and have no problem saying that. I also like to nurture my more masculine interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 07:17 PM
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I think less than 5'6" is probably where I'm likely to feel a bit less interested initially. I do prefer the idea that a guy be taller than me by a couple of inches (I'm 5'4"). But I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker if he seemed good otherwise....But, I can't lie, tall men are generally going to attract me more than short men if you're just basing things on physical traits alone. 5'10+ is pretty ideal - more than 6'5" gets a bit freaky though. Again, height is not a deal breaker however....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 06:23 PM
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I honestly don't get this whole 'alpha', 'beta', 'omega' obsession. The only time I've come across it, other than here and TRP, is in like werewolf fan fiction or something! It's weird! Literally the first two links that come up when you google it are kink tropes in fan fiction... Why do you guys feel such a need to be categorised? To me it's fucking boring and illogical to be 'one' thing at all times. Also, what you guys term an 'alpha' male, seems not to be all that admirable to me. I often th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 06:12 PM
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I completely agree that men and women have fundamental biological differences and these are generally that women are more people/socially focused and men are more world (and self) focused - I don't see how this means that men don't 'need' love though... Love is something we can feel for people we are not sexually attracted to, or related to. We can feel love for animals and also the world as a whole. Men and women feel love for their friends, don't they? Or are you just talking about romantic lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 05:50 PM
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To be honest, visual porn can do it for me - but I think that's just because it's totally visceral and requires no imagination. A photo of a random guy requires me to think up some scenario....fanfic fills in the imagination with characters I know and sexy situations. But sometimes I'm lazy and good, nasty visual porn will do, lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 03:47 PM
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How I see it is this: I can see an objectively attractive man in an ad like you posted, but because he's not a celebrity/character I 'know' anything about, I just think 'yep, good looking, but could be an asshole, boring, dumb, etc.' So that makes him just another human being I don't know... As far as I'm aware, many women have fantasies about men (read fanfiction) and will describe men's (and women's) bodies in detail and with physical perfection - but it's all backed up by the 'character' of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 10:07 AM
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Well I'm not retarded and am open to other stats and data - so, educate me :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 02:58 AM
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Does being a virgin make a woman more marriage worthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 09:58 PM
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Ok, what are your definitions of rape and how do they differ from feminist ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 09:56 PM
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Yes, you're right. He should have the right, but he should also expect a woman to leave him. This is why I don't like the idea of it being secretive - he can secretly be so distrusting and I'd never know....
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 09:37 PM
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There are statistics reporting that between 6.5% to 8.8% of men have admitted to committing rape and two surveys showing that up to 30% of men would rape if they could get away with it. Now, even if you don't believe how high those stats are, it's still a bigger problem than female infidelity resulting in uncertain paternity. Also, rape and infidelity are hardly comparable crimes! What kind of rape precautions are standard everywhere anyway? Generally it's just telling women to be careful to red…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 09:35 PM
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Not in some countries. I mean it's not 'normal' but it's not seen as something depraved...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 09:18 PM
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Fair points.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:46 PM
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I don't know - we'll have to a survey to find out how many guys would be down for hookups where they agree to only touch and maybe not be touched....I guess a lot wouldn't want to do that for the fat girls that use the escorts though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:45 PM
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I'm not saying the problem should be ignored, simply that paternity tests as standard seems like a step too far for the at least 90% (if we take your worst case rate) of women who give birth to children that have the expected father. Making all those women feel like they are essentially untrustworthy, to catch the few that are, is a pretty big price to pay, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:41 PM
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Because earning the money doesn't automatically mean someone works harder...and even my grandfathers, who were traditional men with housewives, helped out a bit around the house (dishes, mowing lawns, deeper 'spring cleaning', etc). It's just common decency - and no one will 'make me' do anything, they'll ask and I'll oblige for the most part...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 05:25 PM
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Yep, being overweight isn't just less attractive (to both sexes) it's also crippling for self-esteem... Again it's the whole attraction of having someone there for your pleasure only and not their own...men are basically guaranteed to orgasm with a sexual encounter, women are not, and often don't feel ok taking it into their own hands or asking a man for exactly what will get them off...giving a nice massage with a non-penetrative (with a penis anyway) happy ending is not going to be high on mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 05:21 PM
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Haha, that could work! 'Surge pricing' - brilliant!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 05:14 PM
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Yes, it's true, there are lots of men out there willing to offer their 'services' for free - just needs to be refined so women feel safer and not like 'prey'. An idea for an app in the making? Would be very lucrative if you got it right...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:35 PM
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Women do pay for it - it's probably more common than you think and certainly more women think about it than you might imagine. I think it's a matter of 'professionalism'. I mean, I guess someone shy and/or inexperienced might be more likely to trust a man who had some sort of management or 'client-base' than some random guy on tinder. Also, a man on tinder might body shame or otherwise be an asshole and only be interested in getting off himself when it came down to it...a man who is paid is goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:14 PM
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It doesn't surprise me that much. Many men like to have sex with hookers because it takes all emotion/attachment/responsibility out of it and they know exactly what they're getting and when they're getting it. It's all on the table and literally business-like. I think more women would have sex with male prostitutes if it were socially as acceptable - but still not nearly at the same rate men do. There's an appeal to sleeping with someone who is there with only your pleasure in mind as long as yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 03:28 PM
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I don't think we're as rare as you might think - but I think the cultural climate in most places now is disapproving of women who want to stay home. It's seen as lazy - I never thought of my grandmothers as lazy, but neither of them worked outside the home. I think we need to acknowledge that working is not only defined by income - staying at home is a job, but it's an unpaid one. Also, it's increasingly unlikely that one income is enough to really sustain a household now - let alone give a fami…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 08:32 AM
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That's sad that you would find it hard to respect your wife if she wanted to be a homemaker. I appreciate your mom worked, but would you really have respected her less if she didn't? I'd rather have a happy partner and parents than anything else - if working makes someone happy, great, but for some people it doesn't make them happy and I don't think deciding staying home is better makes someone a less respectable person. As long as there is enough money, of course, which is unlikely with only on…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 08:21 AM
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My dad was a SAHD in the mid-eighties - that was tough! My mum was always more career-oriented and he was quite happy to stay home with me - though she still did most of the house cleaning! I think it's entirely up to the individual to decide what works best for them - and men can be more of a 'nurturer' than women sometimes...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:35 AM
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It really varies so widely I can't give you exact stats! To me someone's physical attractiveness is so tied to the vibe they give off and their behaviour, that it's hard to be objective about it. If you push me, I guess I'd say I like men to be taller than me (I'm 5'4", so it's uncommon for them not to be), have shoulders broader than their hips and not be too obviously into their own looks (i.e. body builder type, fussy hair, fussy clothes...) Other than that, eyes are really important, as is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:52 AM
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Honestly, if I have children, I want to be a stay-at-home mother. It doesn't mean that the father of my children never has to help out though - that's where your comment loses it's way for me! Having children means a certain amount of wiping butts and other unpleasantness - not being the primary caregiver doesn't let you only deal with the fun stuff, I'm afraid! Being at home with the kids is just the way I feel it would work best for me as I'm not a high-energy person and I prefer to focus on o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:43 AM
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If you love someone, I think it's a given that their happiness is important to you. This goes for men and women. Saying 'more than anything else in the world' is a little extreme though. I think if it was just a question of happiness, I would want my children to be first on the list! If it's a question of what do I want more than anything else in the world - it would be way more idealistic, like, "I want the whole world to be happy"! Lol! Some men on here and TRP certainly do make it sound like …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:36 AM
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I don't think paternity testing should be standard or mandatory. That implies it's a bigger concern than it really is and that it's valid when men are suspicious of their partner's fidelity even with no reason except, well, she's a female which means she's programmed to betray men and can never be trusted...I think seeing as it is really quite uncommon for children to be unknowingly raised or supported by men who are not biologically their fathers (the figures I've found are consistently 2-3%), …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:31 AM
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I think it's pretty obvious that there is a certain level of attractiveness one needs to pass the first hurdle - I just think sometimes that men believe that level is higher than it really is (Chad..). Average looking to a bit below is fine - truly ugly is always going to be hard to look past, no one can deny that. I think though that women are conditioned to say looks don't matter much, it's 'x-trait' that does - we just want to be agreeable and not too superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:42 PM
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He does if I am not interested/ready for more. As you say, it's hard to stay friends if one is pining after the other... So I guess male/female friendships are possible, but only when there is a mutual lack of attraction...Or one keeps quiet about it in the hope it might develop later, I suppose - you never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:35 PM
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Well, if there is no chance of romance, I make that clear. Usually that's it - bye to the guy and interesting conversations.... I have a male friend where romance was never on the table and that's just fine with us both - we're not attracted to each other sexually, but we have things in common and good conversations...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:10 PM
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Hopefully we'll all start communicating better and stop seeing such a war between the sexes. That's the dream. The reality is probably that more and more men will turn to virtual reality and sex dolls and women will somehow convince themselves they're better off for it. That would be so incredibly sad though....
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:52 PM
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Haha! Almost! I'm thinking more of those ones from A.I. - if you know that film. Very human...but not!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:47 PM
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Actually, I interact with men better than women generally speaking, even though I'm a very feminine woman. If I'm at a party and you get that split of men going to one end of the table to chat and women going to the other, I'll be with the guys! I just seem to prefer the conversations I have with them. The only downside is, as you point out, that sometimes I have had great discussions with men (on the train, Uber drivers, etc) and then they seem to see it as flirting and suddenly I've gone from …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:43 PM
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No! He was married - that's a no go right there. Also, he'd be a lot older and in a position of huge power - that's creepy to me, not sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:30 PM
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I don't know, with some people here asking if women should agree to a sort of sex quota whether they want to have sex or not, I assume there are plenty of men who don't really care if their partner is truly into it. They just want to orgasm inside someone no matter what... Personally, the thought of one person simply going through the motions of sex purely to honour an 'agreement' or avoid an argument or something is very creepy. But many men go to prostitutes - they are not genuine partners who…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:24 PM
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It seems to me that this is the way nature works for many species. Look at Lions for example. The males only really get to mate when they are the leader of their pride. Few male Lions make it to adulthood let alone become the one that gets to mate... Of course, we are not Lions, so it's not exactly the same, but biologically it's not ever going to be surprising that more men spend life celibate than women. Still, it's sad, and I wish it wasn't the case - I'm all for as many people being happy as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 01:57 PM
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You do realise there are men who seem good and then turn into abusers right (through mental illness, or just being good at hiding the fact they're psychopathic)? It's not always out in the open from the beginning. Just like a man might marry a woman who then leaves him when he loses his job or something and didn't know she was a fair-weather bitch who only 'loved' him for his money. It happens. And people make mistakes and bad choices, doesn't mean they deserve to suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 09:05 AM
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Women evolved to betray men? WTF?! Thank goodness I don't extrapolate from statistics and experiences to believe that all men are born to be violent, abusive assholes who have no desire to love or be loved, don't actually want to be involved with their children and basically only interact with women because we are your only means to reproduce...Should I always be suspicious that a man I love, and who says he loves me, is going to beat me if I don't obey him, cheat on me when he finds a superior …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:48 AM
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Yes, that is another point - generally because they take their religion seriously, you are required to convert to Islam. As I take my non-religious position seriously, I would never do that. That goes for men of any other religion - if they require me to convert, it's not going to work. Of course, there are non-religious Muslims as well, and I would not be so closed to them - but they are few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:40 AM
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I've lived in a Muslim country half my life, though I am from a non-practicing Catholic background. As much as I am angered and saddened by a lot of the anti-Muslim rhetoric in much of the West, I honestly would not consider a Muslim man as a partner. Most are very religious, and I find that a turn-off no matter the religion, and they tend to be very domineering and tradtional in a way I don't consider appealing. I don't find the majority to be truly abusive or even overtly disrespectful in most…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 11:33 PM
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1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 left, others right - although 9 would look better in between. Most attractive guy is number 4 for me - he had good shoulders before, but that belly was too much. Number 10 is best in the before and attractive in both... Basically, I don't like the super-cut look, it ages some guys faces and just makes them look like they spend 90% of their time working out - but a very prominent belly on an otherwise scrawny type guy is less attractive than super-buff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 10:57 PM
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No pill, female 8/50 No surprise there, I scored very highly on the EQ....I'm good at remembering phone numbers and a complete introvert, but quite the social butterfly when I have to be :/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 10:41 PM
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72/80 and that doesn't surprise me. I'm very empathetic and I value it highly in others. I'm a little shocked at how low many people here scored - it must be hard to have such difficulty reading people and situations....
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 04:20 PM
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33 No pill 86 on the first quiz, 80.8 femininity on the second INFJ I don't think it affects my love life. My circumstances and choices do that. I wouldn't want to be more or less than what I am - being attractive to men isn't everything. I'm very compassionate, I like to look after people and animals, I'm not at all competitive, I'm more likely to give ground to avoid hurt feelings than stand on it and I'm someone people feel they can be open with. But I'm also very logical, self-sufficient, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 04:11 PM
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This is all very interesting - you're making me think a lot about these things... Yes, I do know that psychopathy is not necessarily evil and that many psychopaths are valuable members of society. And I understand it is coming from an emotional place when I find their lack of empathy disturbing. I guess I am talking about empathy, altruism and compassion. Not many animals show true altruism unless it is towards their own offspring. Humans are, as far as I know, unique in that some of us will die…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 12:08 AM
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Psychopaths resist their baser natures? See, I think they are absolutely controlled by their baser natures because emotions including empathy are higher functions that they don't have. Going after only what you want regardless of how it might hurt/put down others is base nature and that is basically what psychopaths do... Analysing every detail about your femininity/masculinity and how it can best serve your baser drives seems extreme to me. Lots of things are natural but it doesn't mean you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:30 PM
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Yes, that balance is hard. But why do you need to be 'highly' masculine anyway? Just as it's hard for a lot of women to balance their more natural empathy with trying to also be practical and effective in a harsh world. But I don't think many women feel the need to be 'highly' feminine. The extremes of both genders are kind of unnecessary... I'm an idealist and I like others to be too - the world is hard, but we are remarkable beings with the power to make things so much better if we can resist …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 08:11 PM
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Haven't come across any (available) ones yet! But plenty of men are kind and thoughtful about the world, even when society tells them that's 'weak'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 07:34 PM
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Completely agree with the men's clubs. I don't know why women want to be allowed into them - it's petty to throw a tantrum over that. I don't think everything is easier if you're a man and I do think that is thrown around far too much. But I also don't want there to be any illusions that there is a basis of truth to those arguments - that white men do sometimes have advantages that others don't.... And the consent classes are ridiculous. Rape is wrong, any normal human being knows that, and it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 06:14 PM
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I agree about the false dreams part - that's very true and it's very damaging to society. Yes, a lot of the RP posts and responses on various threads here from RP men seem to imply they'd be happiest if women basically existed just to please men, do as they're told and raise babies....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 06:00 PM
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That doesn't sound like much of a life to me and it's entirely centred on you, but ok, whatever makes you happy!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:54 PM
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Wow, that's sad...You must truly hate women to only want to interact once a month. What happened to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:52 PM
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Awesome - you're onto something. How do we make it happen though!?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:51 PM
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I agree with your list of changes!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:48 PM
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I think both men and women are 'needed' to have the best society possible. As for being 'looked up to', again, I think we should look up to anyone, regardless of gender, if they deserve it. Deferring to a man is fine if he knows more than me about a certain thing. Deferring to a man just because he is a man, is nonsensical, unless you believe implicitly that all men have better judgement than all women...? Since when does anyone celebrate not being able to cook? Or not being able to please a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:07 PM
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Well I would say what is bad about it is that hating anyone is bad...it's based on prejudice and ignorance. The world and how it defines success is messed up, imo. The fact that a man who obviously disrespects women is the US President doesn't make being a misogynist ok - he has lots of traits that are 'bad' that don't seem to affect his financial and political success. To me being a successful human being is about a lot more than getting rich and being successful in your career. Unfortunately t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 01:40 PM
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If you're fulfilled by having sex with different women frequently, then I guess you do have to strategise - it's not as natural for women to engage in short-term, sex-based relationships. There are plenty of exceptions, but we're not wired generally to look for that. I guess the underlying thing that makes relationships between men and women so difficult at times is that some of the differences between what fulfils us as humans are so opposite to one another. There have to be compromises on both…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 11:21 AM
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INFJ I would say I like to look nice with the least amount of effort! I get my hair coloured every few months and I enjoy the vibrance of that. I don't do more with my hair than brush it and maybe pull it back if it's in my way. I don't 'enjoy' putting on makeup - maybe as a teenager I found it fun to experiment but as a grown woman, it doesn't really interest me. A little bit of lipstick makes me look less pale and mascara makes my long, naturally curly eyelashes stand out, which is pretty. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:21 AM
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Thank you for your detailed reply. I am starting to understand the nuances involved in the TRP advice and I see that it is not about being aggressive, more about being confident. This is something women need to learn to. In my view, it's something that should be prioritised at school - teaching us how to believe in ourselves, stand up for ourselves all while still being respectful of the boundaries of others. I guess when I say 'be yourself' I mean be your best self. This is hard for anyone to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:15 AM
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Ok, I'm not feminine by your definition then. I actually don't like shopping unless I have something specific in mind and sure, I might make an impulse buy here and there but it's never expensive. I might order more than I can eat, but I always take it home! I do know a woman who literally buys anything that takes her fancy as long as the funds are there (her husbands and she often doesn't tell him) - she's spoiled, irresponsible and quite emotionally unstable. That is not the norm for women whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 12:45 AM
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Well, what can I say, your experience doesn't apply to all women - women who spend money irresponsibly are stupid and disrespectful if they do it without discussion with their partner. That would be the equal thing to do. Also there are men who spend lots of money on things without telling their partners too... And I consider myself to be very feminine and I'm not a financial idiot. I guess it depends on your definition of feminine...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 10:09 PM
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You sound like a human being who can't (and shouldn't) be categorised by a system I associate with wolves - but in reality, wolves don't even have these distinct 'alpha, beta, omega' roles...) I don't get this need to put people in boxes. You are who you are - who gives a shit if you don't fit in with the confused men who make up this stuff? You sound like you're doing just fine and don't need the 'strategies' those misguided men think they do...Thumbs up to you!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 09:40 PM
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Bullshit! I have spent half my life in a Muslim country, even though I am not Muslim (or religious at all). Yes, many women in Islamic countries are oppressed, but not as many as you might think. It's a cultural problem more than it is a religious one. The Koran doesn't specify that women are inferior and should be uneducated and treated like cattle. It certainly supports the age-old idea that women are made for reproduction, child-rearing and comforting men - but so does the Bible! Culture is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 09:26 PM
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Smart and capable - easy! Being handsome is a bonus, but ultimately is transitory and also kind of influenced by intelligence and capability. I've seen men I've thought were physically attractive and then heard them speak and thought 'nope!' I think a sense of humour is important also. But empathy ranks above all for me - I like men who are kind, open-minded and actively trying to improve the world and understand the problems in it (and in themselves). Being intelligent or capable doesn't equal …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 09:20 PM
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Seems right to me. Yes, if it's unbalanced, it probably won't work - I can't stand people who are too tight about money - live a little, you never know what's around the corner!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:40 PM
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I get what a lot of people are saying in this post about society giving mixed signals to men. The whole fantasy of men taking control a la Christian Grey and then the often anti-male jokes and storylines in a lot of popular media (men being under a woman's thumb all the time, making stupid mistakes or being predators) - it seems like an impossible mix. I can't answer for all that, as I'm just one woman, and the media is influenced and controlled (and believed) by many women and men who seem very…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 08:39 PM
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See, I don't get this. If you enter into a loving partnership with someone, you shouldn't be given an 'allowance' because you don't earn the money. My cousin swears by doing this in a relationship - he earned more than his wife, so they would divide up their spending allowance each month with him getting more than her. They are now divorced and that sort of business negotiation type shit had a lot to do with it. Feeling that you are less valued than someone financially is horrible. To me, once a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 07:10 PM
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As long as I was enjoying my job, I'd like to be the one making $200k a year. But if I didn't work in a job I particularly enjoyed and I met a man who was happy for me not to work and share his money, that wouldn't bother me - I wouldn't feel guilty or as if I owed him. If I made the $200k and my man hated his job and wanted not to work, I'd be ok with that, tbh. I grew up in a rather unusual family where my mother always had the main salary and my dad worked off and on - so I don't see anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 06:59 PM
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Fair enough. I guess I am going by my own experience of trying to be made up and care a lot about looking like the more fashionable world encourages people to. For me, it's time consuming and expensive and uncomfortable - it doesn't make me feel any better about myself than the more minimal amount of effort I put in. I guess once it becomes a routine part of life it seems easy for those who prioritise it. People who seem to have everything on 'lock down' actually don't appeal to me either - I li…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 01:54 PM
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I'm a woman who has never really worn much in the way of makeup - my mother didn't and I feel that I grew up around women who tended not to. I will groom my eyebrows so they aren't sticking in weird directions and wear lipstick - sometimes I'll wear mascara, but it's not a must (I find it irritates my eyes if on for more than 6 hours). Personally I don't like the look of women who wear a lot of makeup - like the Kardashians, etc - I find it looks too unnatural. I also have to admit that I find i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 08:42 PM
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I agree about the shades of grey part - I don't think many people in these discussions sees those shades very well. It's all labelled and separated into extremes. Nice guys and assholes often exist in the same person - we can all be nasty or nice. Overall I'd much rather be with a 'nice guy' than someone I really rate as an asshole - being nice is a much more positive trait, even if it goes to the extreme of doormat it's better than the asshole extreme of abusiveness or violence....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:25 PM
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Based on how I think men would rate them: 7/10 - can't see her body, but she looks cute, young and a bit 'alternative' which might appeal to some men 9/10 - curves in the 'right' places and of the 'right' size. Sexy pose, but cute and friendly. 4/10 - I don't think the crooked teeth would bother men so much if she was made up and in a sexier pose. But overall they'd see her as 'plain' if not downright ugly in this photo 8/10 - very big boobs, little waist, revealing clothing. To me she's a prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:18 PM
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That guy is not the male equivalent of no. 2! She has a nice expression, good skin, nice hair - Jamie Oliver would be a better equivalent http://www.rantchic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Jamie-Oliver.jpg Or Woody Harrelson, Jack White (kitten teeth), Sebastian Stan (had them fixed, but hasn't changed his attractiveness for me), Channing Tatum....To me, none of those superficial flaws cancels out that those men are attractive in other ways. Rachel Weisz, Kate Moss, Lara Stone, Jewel, Jessica Pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 01:15 PM
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Why do you value an attractive virgin over an attractive woman who has had maybe one partner? What is of such higher value that someone like me could give you that she couldn't? She's probably more well-adjusted than I am because the reasons I am a virgin are not religious, they're social - I've had a weird upbringing, health problems and social anxiety that have prevented me from meeting men. Doesn't all of that 'baggage' 'devalue' my virginity? I understand hormones all to well. I have a sensi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 10:33 AM
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I think the major problem I have with your statement is the 'strategy' part. I have no strategy as a woman to ensnare a man or whatever. My strategy is to be the happiest I can be in life and hopefully make the people around me happy too. I often find myself more drawn to male conversation than female and am certainly no stranger to the idea that men and women (to generalise) are very different in their ways of thinking and strengths/weaknesses. I consider myself to be somewhat atypical woman an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:42 AM
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I don't even know where to start with all the things that are wrong with your thinking about women...offering sex is our primary value? Maybe that's true of some people, but certainly not all. And rape is bad for women (and men) because it absolutely violates your 'dignity' in every way no matter if you're a virgin or a 'slut' - intimately violating your body against your will is denial of your basic human right of sovereignty and personal space. I just don't get this whole men vs women thing - …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:32 AM
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Good to know!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:29 AM
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I guess you're right. I just wouldn't want to dismiss someone as soon as they divulged that info to me. It depends how much I like them otherwise I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 09:31 PM
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No. I didn't grow up in a country where getting braces was the norm. I had a childhood friend who got braces because she literally had too many teeth in her jaw and they had to remove 2 and use braces to bring the rest together. She was about the only child I remember who had braces at my school - it was just not done for purely cosmetic reasons... So, no, I don't see someone who has crooked teeth as someone that doesn't care about herself - very stained teeth, broken teeth, rotten teeth, yes - …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 08:45 PM
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No, it doesn't mean natural is beautiful in every case, but so often I think women look better with less makeup and when they are not following a beauty trend. Of course having a reasonable level of natural symmetry and healthy skin, etc, is a part of 'natural beauty', and we'd all see that differently. All of the women in these photos is naturally quite attractive - uniform features, etc, but the ones who are wearing a lot of makeup and are 'playing up' their sex appeal just don't strike me as …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 07:02 PM
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I think it's very shallow to 'screen someone out' because they are medicated - for any reason. Sure, there are limits - psychopaths and paranoid schizophrenics (although one of my dad's friends is schizo and he's lovely when he's on his meds!) would certainly be on my list to screen out - but someone with depression, anxiety, ADHD, OCD, bipolar disorder, etc, is not going to get an immediate black mark if they are aware and are being treated for it. It all depends on the individual case. I'm on …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 06:44 PM
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Well, it doesn't make him a better person. If he seems like a good person and I'm attracted to him then his wealth wouldn't change my feelings. It might seem like a bonus I guess, but being self-made doesn't make someone a better prospective partner in life to me. What form of status would affect me? Honestly, I am attracted to a man because of what he does to better the world around him. He could be a billionaire philanthropist, or a poor, struggling social worker - as long as his world revolve…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 06:33 PM
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What can I say, I value natural beauty - that includes crooked teeth, etc. I admire women who look happy and confident despite having obvious flaws. She's more likely to be a good and balanced person and to me that is more attractive than physical perfection. Maybe 9/10 is a little high, but she's definitely the pick of the bunch for me because she looks 'normal' in a nice way and is not a conformist - the other women are all conforming to some 'standard of beauty' with their poses, makeup, clot…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 06:19 PM
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Does this 'most boring and valueless members of society' just pertain to women who won't converse with you, or to all women alive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 01:14 PM
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No way, I like chatting to men - but I have been guilty of leading men on without realising it because I'm friendly. That doesn't make him a creep, but some men do seem to assume that a woman who reciprocates conversation is flirting and this could explain why women may not 'engage' with you. It's unlikely that they think you're a creep. Proving you're not a creep isn't hard - don't look a woman up and down, don't ask personal questions and just be yourself!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 12:30 PM
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Cute, but looks too young - 7/10 What I think a man finds very attractive, but I bit 'much' for me 8/10 Natural, pretty and probably fun 9/10 Unnatural looking 5/10 Hard face, nice skin 7/10 Hard face and obese 4/10 Looks too vain and unfriendly 6/10 Very strange shape, hard face 4/10
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 12:13 PM
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