withoutamartyr Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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1	Interesting I am a man.	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 10:43 PM
6	Interesting "Masculinity", in quotes, is harmful to masculinity. What makes someone masculine, and how someone relates to their gender, is personal, and informed by their beliefs, upbringing, and immediate surroundings. No one, in their right mind, should try to question your masculinity for being into knitting, or becoming a nurse. But those things aren't in the box labeled "masculine", so society often turns those kind of people into the butt of a joke. That is what is harmful to masculinity. People mold …	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 08:16 AM
8	Interesting No shit you weren't quoting me verbatim. But if that was your takeaway from what I wrote I don't think I made myself clear, or you were being willfully obtuse. The problem isn't men, and the problem isn't masculinity. The problem is a long series of unacknowledged and unspoken social posturings and false faces, an accumulation of behaviors we have come to describe as "normal masculinity" that is inherently confining and reductive, and any deviation from this construction is punished within the C…	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 07:51 AM
-11	Interesting I think "the vast majority" is an overstatement, and "female sexual selection is perhaps the most important factor in driving male behavior" is a ridiculous oversimplification, and frankly a little insulting to men. When women hold a proportional amount of legislative power in the house and the Senate and have a proportional representation in the private sector, I will feel comfortable saying "men don't hold the majority of the power".	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 07:44 AM
-9	Interesting That's a semantic game. Monarchy and oligarchy follow similar constructions, and aren't meant to malign anyone. It's a word that describes where power tends to collect. It doesn't imply a conspiracy, or a cabal, or even ill-intent. Just the direction of the flow of power.	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 07:27 AM
18	Interesting I don't think I said any of that. Reductionism only hurts your ability to understand opposing viewpoints.	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 07:25 AM
2	Interesting My primary point of departure with the Men's Rights Movement, even though we share a common goal and very similar criticisms, is the underlying cause. I think feminism is an ally in this cause. I'm not sure feminism denies men's problems, or says all men have it easy. The current wave of feminism, in the scholastic circles (because Tumblr isn't the end-all-be-all of what entails feminist thought) and among respected thinkers, is very understanding of the issues men face. This is where the concep…	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 06:49 AM
43	Interesting So, I know this might be seen as an unpopular or outsider opinion in this subreddit, but I'd like to respond to this picture honestly and express what might be considered a feminist response. Men popularly being viewed as unable to be victims of domestic abuse is definitely a result of patriarchal conditioning. It has to do with how society expects men to behave and react, and what we expect from "masculinity". Being a victim of a class of people generally considered weak and demure implies weak…	/r/MensRights	14/12/16 04:06 AM
2	What True Feminism is by Julian Iarussi a 16 year old with the alias: snipesome You might want to provide a different source on the Marxist roots of feminism, that site doesnt exactly scream of journalistic integrity.	/r/MensRights	29/08/14 06:06 AM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? You made an assertion. You made a positive claim that feminism fails to address certain issues affecting men. My counterargument was that this is actually not the case. Your response to that was "you're crazy". Literally. I addressed the premise you put forward directly, and the response I got was "you're a crazy person". Do you think that's good debate technique? It's certainly not a response. It sounds a lot more like a defense technique. And it summarizes the attitude and debate style you're …	/r/MensRights	04/06/14 09:39 PM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? most reptilian thinkers recognize that the shapeshifting overlords are equally damaging to men This is a profound argument. I'm glad to see you're approaching this with maturity. I can tell you're not interested in even trying to understand my position or being respectfil so I guess we can just call it a day.	/r/MensRights	04/06/14 02:34 PM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? Most feminist thinkers recognize that the patriarchy is equally damaging to men. Some don't, as I'm sure you have examples of, but its pretty well accepted that women aren't the only victims of patriarchal attitudes. You do bring up a big issue facing men, and I can assure you feminism as a whole isn't ignoring it. Have you heard of the men's liberation movement? It is a movement with many identical goals to the men's rights movement, but believes that the issues facing men and women stem from s…	/r/MensRights	04/06/14 02:37 AM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? but that assertion would hold more water if, you know, there was some indication that when women do choose to go into politics that they had trouble getting elected or getting campaign funding/support. You could say that, but that's not what "patriarchy" means. It means "the positions of power are held by men", and you're not refuting that point. You're actually arguing in support of it. "But fewer women run!" is not a counter-argument to "there isn't a representative proportion of women in cong…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 09:28 PM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? Yes, patriarchy is a word that describes where power coalesces. But benefitting men isn't the same as caused by men, as was implied in my poverty analogy. I have provided several concrete examples of patriarchal thinking, so I'm not sure why you think its fuzzy. I said that because I believed it was your intent. I was attempting to understand your motivation (contentiously, I will grant you) so that when I attempted to address it, I wouldn't be addressing something you weren't actually saying. I…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 05:41 PM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? No, I got that, what I don't understand is why. What is your particular game for wanting to switch terms, and how would that make me "more honest"? It seems like an easy way to argue about fluff and semantics to avoid having to actually discuss the heart of the issue (whether or not our society is a patriarchy). If it will aid in your understanding of my points, I'll do it, but I need to know you're actually trying to reach an understanding and not just trying to "win" the discussion.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 05:04 PM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? Are you interested in a discussion or do you just want to play smug rhetorical games?	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 04:51 PM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? I was calling into question your intent, not accepting a premise. You believe that the concept of a patriarchy means blaming men for problems, and it seemed to me that by switching terms, you were attempting to move that perceived blame to someone else's shoulders. The premise itself is faulty, though. There's no blame to move. Besides, didn't I say men aren't at fault? Did I dream that? Men aren't to blame for it anymore than poor or rich people are to blame for poverty. nope, I didn't dream it…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 04:37 PM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? Why? Because women have to be the problem? Is there no alternative where men and women can stand on the same side against an issue? Seeing everything as a battle between men and women is part of the issue. How about we just call it the Archy and agree its causing damage?	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 03:48 PM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? You're right. But that's not a refutation of the notion of a patriarchy, more an examination of the how or why.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 03:22 PM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? What? I'm not sure how you're getting that I think men are the root of the problem. Patriarchy is a social structure. Men aren't to blame for it anymore than poor or rich people are to blame for poverty. Its a natural consequence of certain cultural beliefs, not any concerted effort by one gender. That's what I was trying to get at. It's NOT an innate characteristic (if you read all my posts than maybe you remember where I mentioned learned behavior), to anyone, its a function of society. You're…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 03:06 PM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? That's like a bunch of lizardmen making fun of people for believing in lizardmen. "There's no such thing as patriarchy, you dumb feminists... but there should be!" sounds like the kind of bad joke I would expect to see in MAD magazine or r/im14andthisisfunny.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 07:40 AM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? So you're actually being disingenuous by comparing their belief in the patriarchy to a belief in the Illuminati. So which is it? Are you a hypocrite for not knowing what patriarchy actually means, or are you are a hypocrite for belittling the notion of a patriarchy while simultaneously espousing its virtues? This kind of paints your post in a new light. Are you suggesting Saudi Arabia-style power distribution is a desirable end-goal for you?	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 07:15 AM
0	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? Did... did you read the post you replied to? I described several expressions of patriarchal attitudes, all of which impacted and harmed men.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 07:03 AM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? A patriarchal attitude? Or did you not read the post you responded to? Cosmo is an example of patriarchal support produced by and for women	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 06:53 AM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? and what do we do about women not in power but who enforce rigid gender roles through sexual selection and partner preference? The patriarchy isn't a men-exclusive club. There are plenty of women who peddle the same attitudes.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 06:48 AM
-1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? So you can produce no evidence of the thing you are burdened with proving. I'm sorry, I don't follow. Evidence for what? I asked a question.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 06:47 AM
-2	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? I like how you call me a troll and not self-aware because I don't buy into your religious beliefs. I say you lack self-awareness because you call the patriarchy a fiction while in the same line of logic asserting that only men are really capable of being leaders. Only men should lead is the exact definition of patriarchy. Even setting aside everything about gender roles and just looking at the construction of the word itself, compared to similar words like monarchy and oligarchy. Setting aside t…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 06:42 AM
1	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? would you honestly want a woman running the country? I can't tell if you're a troll or the lack of self-awareness is actually a built-in feature. I do know you're not doing the Men's Rights movement any favors.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 06:27 AM
-4	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? No, I don't agree. That sounds like Cultural Marxist talk to me. So... they're innate, then? Racism and sexism are objective values? What is the alternative to learning behaviors? Is the fact that these attitudes are inconsistent throughout time and place not indicative of at least some element of social subjectivity? equal opportunity which is what we already have. I disagree. Pretty heavily. As heavily as you can get. Why do you believe we have equal opportunity? There's no law preventing wome…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 06:14 AM
-9	Does anyone else see parallels between The Patriarchy and The Illuminati? This shows a pretty shallow understanding, I think, of what the working definition of "patriarchy" is. There's no they. The patriarchy represents, as you even said in your very first sentence, an attitude and an idea, not a group of people dictating anything. Sets of cultural norms and mututally-agreed-upon behaviors is what the patriarchy is. You know how when you walk into the restroom, and automatically know not to use the urinal right next to someone if there's an available one further away?…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 06:00 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Are you flipping out because I'm saying that feminists are a bigger problem than "problematic male socialization" here? I think the suggestion that feminism is the root cause of the problem is incomplete at best, ignorant at worst, but that's not my primary concern in this conversation. It's mostly your handling of the statistics, and how you gleefully marginalize male victims of rape because "there's worse problems elsewhere". Where your website says "we don't blame men", what you really mean i…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 06:48 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture You're a hypocrite because you called a direct reference to your topic of discussions 'irrelevant' because it wasn't being perpetrated by feminists, and then go around on a rant about how feminists are the ones who ignore things in order to press a certain narrative. You're the kind of person you're tirading against, and your head is just too far up your own ass to realize it. You keep trying to accuse me of blaming men for rape, or pretending male rape victims don't exist, when the very first t…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 06:31 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture I really have to explain myself a fourth time?	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 06:20 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture I'm not saying it's not bad. I'm saying you're a hypocrite.	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 06:19 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture So... no. You're not going to address it. That's fine, but at least now there's a record of it. Have a good night.	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 06:14 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture I'd also like to mention that nothing in the original teaser singled out "feminists" or any individual group. But it's heavily implied.	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 06:08 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Why are you so focused on males being "problematic" when the majority of people raping them are female? I'm not sure if you're just trolling,or just haven't been paying attention. How many times do I have to tell you males are not the problem, it's the social idea of what being "male" means? It's becoming very obvious that your understanding of gender dynamics is limited to research on tumblr and extremist blogs. Crack open a fucking book once in a while. when the majority of people raping them …	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 06:04 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Your clarification failed to address the obvious intent of your original. Or maybe it didn't give you enough to be outraged about. Why are you making this only about problematic masculinity? Perhaps you're conflating masculinity with being a man. I'm talking about the idea of masculinity you see in phrases like "man up" "don't be a pussy" "grow a pair", not the actual physical reality of being a man. That idea of masculinity has been defined socially, and yes, feminism has had a hand in it. Why …	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 05:13 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture See my edit. He (or she) called an example of the problem they're talking about irrelevant. That's the kind of attitude I mean. That's why male rape victims have trouble coming forward. They are ridiculed when they do, and then people who supposedly want to help pretend that ridicule isn't an issue or is somehow irrelevant. I'm not defending feminism, its done a lot of shitty things. I'm calling this person a hypocrite who is as guilty of marginalization as the people they are criticizing.	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 04:21 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture You can't requote me after I clarified my intent as an attempt to refute me. You have categorically denied male victims of female rapists. Where do they fit in your implicit narrative that men are rapists(or socialized to be rapists) and women are rape victims. How? By attempting to show you what happens to two male victims of female rapists? I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. Where do they fit in your implicit narrative that men are rapists(or socialized to be rapists) and wom…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 04:06 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Let me rephrase to clarify. Its a masculinism issue. The atmosphere surrounding masculinism is why male victims of female rape have such a hard time, because of rigidly reinforced notions of what masculinity means. I didn't mean to suggest it was an issue with the male sex. By the way, my first post? I wasn't trying to argue with you. I was agreeing with you. I was supporting your argument by supplying you with examples. I was on your side. The real rape culture is our persistent denial of the s…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 03:53 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture What? So when Mary Koss decided decades ago that female-on-male rape didn't count when she was doing the studies about rape that are still routinely cited today, it was because she foresaw that someday critics of feminism would reference male victims while criticizing feminism? It's because she's a poor researcher pushing a radical feminist agenda. I'm not saying those don't exist. But are we just going to pretend that all feminists are representatives of all aspects of feminism? That's not true…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 03:32 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Where are the efforts to bring attention to male victims? Where are the efforts to target female attackers? Why are you blaming rape on men? (Like every other feminist, btw.) This is a copypasta, isn't it? You got excited that I activated your "trap card"? Where are the efforts to bring attention to male victims? Go read those comments I linked you too. That's where the effort go. They get mocked and ridiculed by their own gender. Where are the efforts to target female attackers? That article wa…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 03:26 AM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Identifying rape culture and promoting it aren't the same thing. You're conflating the two. the idea that rape is an emergent property of masculinity or male socialization? As long as we live in a world where sexual conquest and masculinity are linked, and rape has centuries of history being used as a war-time weapon, rape will continue to be a masculine issue. This is not the same as 'only men can rape', however. And that rape is primarily done to women by men? Are you suggesting that most rape…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 02:58 AM
0	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture And you're pretending that vocal minorities are representative of the group as a whole. We could also say MRAs oppose making rape of women illegal, and that would be an equally valid and fallacious critique.	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 02:42 AM
0	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture A bunch of dudebros joking about rape on the internet are irrelevant in the scheme of things This is a revolting hypocrisy and you're a two-faced scumbag. You're pretending that marginalizing male victims of rape is something feminists do, but when I show you examples of it happening in real time by non-feminists the best you can do is "oh, they're just a bunch of dudes joking about rape"? That's some confirmation bias. No wonder I stopped calling myself an MRA. To quote you: There are varying l…	/r/MensRights	29/03/14 02:21 AM
-1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture That's some mental gymnastics. You complain that male victims of female-perpetrated rape are marginalized, the when I link you to that marginalization actually happening in real time the best you can come up with is a shrug and a comment that basically days "well feminists do it worse"? That's disgusting. You're using male victims to push your own antifeminism ideology. You don't actually care about the issue, you just want to use them as bullets in your gun. You're the reason male rape is treat…	/r/MensRights	28/03/14 09:03 PM
-1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Oh I get it. You don't actually want to address the issue, you just want to blame feminism for it. You're undercutting your own message, buddy.	/r/MensRights	28/03/14 08:40 PM
1	Honey Badger Radio: Rape Culture Rape culture is not just about what women think about men. This is what rape culture looks like.. That's mostly men talking about male victims of rape.	/r/MensRights	28/03/14 03:50 PM
-2	The "Slut Double Standard" I think the attitude of this subreddit is more like how to fall into the trap without setting it off.	/r/TheRedPill	09/01/14 05:29 PM
3	The "Slut Double Standard" That's a fair point, but by that logic you don't need a high quality key to get past locks, you just need bolt clippers or a drill. Which turns it into a rape metaphor.	/r/TheRedPill	09/01/14 04:43 PM
2	The "Slut Double Standard" Nah, only that it's more complicated than biologically-based behavior, because for the first time in history we are capable of changing our biology. Who knows how that's changed our past pattern of behavior? Add to that chemically manipulating our emotions, antidepressants making it into the water supply and food supply... we have to update our paradigm to include the fact we now control our biology.	/r/TheRedPill	09/01/14 04:41 PM
4	The "Slut Double Standard" You'd be correct IF human evolution had had time to catch up with the invention of birth control. But it hasn't. This would be a solid point, except a lot of forms of birth control involve horomonal changes, which cause us to act against our typical behavior. Check it out	/r/TheRedPill	09/01/14 03:48 PM
7	The "Slut Double Standard" I heard an interesting turn-around on this that made me question the validity of this line. "A trap that catches many snakes is a high-quality trap. A snake that falls into many traps is a retarded snake."	/r/TheRedPill	09/01/14 03:47 PM
5	OKCupid and a study done by a redditor to get laid as much as possible from the internet He had less than a 1% success rate. I'd say your extrapolation is off.	/r/TheRedPill	07/01/14 09:45 PM
15	OKCupid and a study done by a redditor to get laid as much as possible from the internet "I did the same thing, but I did it better and the women were hotter." Lol.	/r/TheRedPill	07/01/14 09:41 PM
2	I Need Feminism Because... It is.	/r/MensRights	25/05/13 12:12 AM
2	Is Feminism really needed anymore. Seems like Men are struggling way more! You make some salient points. I won't deny that there is a worrying amount of male-demonization going on, and a lot of it comes from people who claim to be feminists<sup>1.</sup> One needs only look at the Stranger Danger craze from the nineties to see how easy it is to assume bad intent from a man (the fact that an overwhelming number of convicted rapists and pedophiles being male does not help, an issue in and of itself that needs to be dealt with). But it's a bit of a quagmire, because object…	/r/MensRights	16/05/13 07:01 PM
1	Is Feminism really needed anymore. Seems like Men are struggling way more! I absolutely disagree that the idea "all heterosexual sex is rape" permeates culture. In fact it flies in the face of what feminism is (every individual captains their own sexual identity and no one else can define it for them). The idea is simply not taken seriously in mainstream. It might be popular, and even accepted, in fringe circles, but that's the nature of the fringe. Don't stand amongst sheep in a desert then claim the desert is full of sheep.	/r/MensRights	16/05/13 05:25 PM
1	Is Feminism really needed anymore. Seems like Men are struggling way more! Yeah I'm not suggesting reading mein kampf in high school. In courses specifically devoted to material where it would be relevant, I see no reason not to ask the class to read it or selections from it. As I said, understanding is not acceptance. I would not ban a book, no matter how objectionable the material.	/r/MensRights	16/05/13 03:22 AM
1	Is Feminism really needed anymore. Seems like Men are struggling way more! Like I said, I am not against the idea. "History" is really broad though, certainly broader than women's studies. I'd say world war two historians, certainly, and maybe even psychology courses could benefit. If its prudent to the course material I see no reason outside of manufactured moral outrage to bar its reading. Like I said, understanding is not the same as acceptance.	/r/MensRights	16/05/13 03:18 AM
1	Is Feminism really needed anymore. Seems like Men are struggling way more! The appropriate way to deal with hate literature is not to ban it, not to restrict it, but simply to ignore it and let it fade off into the obscurity it deserves. That doesn't happen when its required reading. In a class on feminist thought, it makes sense to read the writings of feminist thinkers, whether or not you agree with them. Requiring reading doesn't lend credibility, it's just a way for the classroom to have discussions on the same topics. Some professors may choose to teach it dismiss…	/r/MensRights	15/05/13 08:08 PM
1	Is Feminism really needed anymore. Seems like Men are struggling way more! I would be, but are we talking a out high schools? Or in every classroom?	/r/MensRights	15/05/13 07:22 PM
2	Is Feminism really needed anymore. Seems like Men are struggling way more! I have taken a few women's studies course, and we discussed the authors you linked, but in a way that was demeaning. They are radical feminists, and not emblematic of the typical approach. In our studies of them, we deconstructed where they went wrong; we discussed them as reactionaries rather than progressives, and how reactionaries are inherently harmful to any major movement. "Required reading" doesn't mean "agree with everything these people say". In fact, of the two or three people who did …	/r/MensRights	15/05/13 06:55 PM
0	16 year old feminist on Tumblr demonstrates the hypocrisy of feminist views on men's issues (x-post from /r/tumblrinaction) but firstly, could you demonstrate to me how a positive use of feminist thought would look like? Well, feminist thought focuses on the existence of the patriarchy and the way that it enforces traditional (damaging) gender roles. Rather than focus on a group or a face, it focuses instead on an institution; the patriarchy is not a conspiracy, and it's not run by a cabal of old white men. It's systemic and cultural, and tied into historical roots. It's not a conscious effort so much as a natural by…	/r/MensRights	15/05/13 02:30 AM
0	16 year old feminist on Tumblr demonstrates the hypocrisy of feminist views on men's issues (x-post from /r/tumblrinaction) We've already seen how much injustice is caused through the use of this feminist thought, so I am against co-opting feminist thought. Denigrating an entire complicated, nuanced school of thought because of the actions of the fringe seems dangerous. Christianity and democracy, too, have caused injustice, but that's not necessarily a reason to disregard the thinking, just the justifiers. Feel free to rail against women who use feminism for improper, immoral, or matriarchal means, the same way we s…	/r/MensRights	15/05/13 01:00 AM
-7	16 year old feminist on Tumblr demonstrates the hypocrisy of feminist views on men's issues (x-post from /r/tumblrinaction) I feel like I should chime in here. Feminism is a powerful tool, and it is very useful in combatting the issues that men deal with, and deconstructing traditional gender roles. Feminists are people who use feminism to tackle these issues. When people say "feminism will solve men's issues", what people hear is "feminists will solve men's issues", and assume a "just stay back, we got this" attitude. What it actually means is that feminism is equally applicable to men's issues, and men are encourag…	/r/MensRights	14/05/13 11:06 PM
2	want a well defined definition of patriarchy Hm. That's a good question. I'm not sure. Some people might still call it a patriarchy, simply because of the type of roles that are being enforced (man is Warrior and Provider, woman is Servant and Demure), but I don't think that's accurate any longer. You should come up with a word for it.	/r/MensRights	30/11/12 08:12 AM
4	want a well defined definition of patriarchy It doesn't imply oppression, but it also doesn't rule it out, either. It's very easy for a severe patriarchy to lead to oppression, although they are not lock-step. The patriarchy hurts men in the same way, as the idea of a patriarchy is reinforcing 'traditional' gender roles. It divides people into 'men' and 'women', with specific expectations from both roles. Any deviation is weeded out and treated poorly. Why men can't cry openly or have emotional relationships with their fellow man. This sai…	/r/MensRights	30/11/12 08:00 AM
2	want a well defined definition of patriarchy My definition comes from the few anthropology classes I took, which seems as close to unbiased as I can think. A patriachary is patrilineal. That is, land is given to sons, rule is passed down through the male bloodline, voting and political participation rights are for men, most civil action is reserved for men. Boys are granted rights denied others. Emphasis on what are considered masculine traits It does not specifically need to be about oppressing womanhood, but it often is simply because 'w…	/r/MensRights	30/11/12 07:41 AM