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I would say age definitely would cut this down, which makes sense why a lot of guys talking like this are Young. It also helps a lot If you actually live with a partner, as I would imagine the frequency of sex jumps dramatically if you don’t have to basically dodge your parents and her parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:44 PM
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Who ever said the wall starts at 23 years old? Even the most hard-core red pill guys say it starts at like 40. Do women decline in their 30s sure, but still plenty of attraction to get basically any guy they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:26 PM
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I didn’t say that, I said people break up when they think they can do better. Looks manners in that discussion because it’s really easy to convince yourself The grass is greener when the person that becomes available to you is very attractive, and you don’t know what their body looks like under clothes where you do know what your partner‘s body looks like under clothes. Personally I hate it but science has proven if you’re hot people believe you’re a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:24 PM
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lol you’re insufferable and a hypocrite. You’re asking men on here to spare no expense regardless of the effort level and rewards given, yet you yourself are allowed to spare all the expenses because you’re apparently perfect and don’t need to improve in anyway. I think what this says is you just hate men and have been on the site too long and are trying to flip back any common phrases you hear men say here as some sort of weird rage bait revenge thing. You’re saying men need to take accountabil…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:22 AM
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No, we’re not, you seem hyper focused on this and I don’t know why, I don’t know what your personal experience with men is to get you here, but I’m trying to expand beyond that. Relationship history is only one piece of the overall puzzle which is again peacefulness and cleanliness, or at least mortal consistency. It’s exactly why the reformed Hoe is an attractive Type for some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:18 AM
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What do you think there’s some sort of assassination on that person? There are users here where you can go to their profile and actively find out theyre escorts and even find their sales page. You’re taking one example of someone deactivating their account as if they got a hit on them. The excuse of not sharing game to women is very weird, because women on here all the time say the game doesn’t work and ignore it anyway, you’re assuming firstly that women will listen to you and secondly they’ll …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:15 AM
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That’s impossible because of who I am authentically as in my natural born personality is offputting to women. This is like saying, just grow taller, you could do that with surgery, but it’s not authentically you. This has the same logic of just become gay, you can’t just do that. Secondly, you are a hypocrite. Because apparently you are not weighing every single fry’s detriment to your weight goals or the exact 10th of an ounce on your body for your weight goals, you are a normal person, but app…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:10 AM
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OK now you’re not listening at all. I clearly illustrated how those two things are directly related. I will spell it out for you one more time, if she went hog wild on an ex dick and not yours it shows that her nature is not clean and peaceful, she’s putting up an act for you. It’s not who she really is. That’s exactly why guys give the answer that they are happy with a woman who is terrible in the bedroom if she was terrible to everyone else, it shows that she’s clean and peaceful all the way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:07 AM
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Now you’re picking and choosing. You said violence and cheating, drugs don’t have anything to do with that inherently. A guy who is a pothead is not any more violent or likely to cheat, you’re the one who’s associating random items. By that logic, I could say your sexual history is directly related to cheating because if you are sexually promiscuous, you are more likely to cheat on me. You are clearly using your own bias that sexual histories a-OK, but apparently drugs are not For the record, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:04 AM
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OK I find that pedantically utilitarian. That type of response is completely devoid of The actual effort it takes or the actual con, which is by me becoming likable on a date I become more unlikable and inauthentic for a relationship. Your method has absolutely no consideration for the effort versus reward, you’re just saying as long as you get even a fraction of a reward it’s in your control, which is just stupid. Anyone on earth evaluates the value of their effort in time. Do you apply the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:00 AM
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Well, you said it would reveal too much about you, which yes you could mean you would make it too personal for debating but the problem is you’re making a claim that is deeply personal. People asking you what your method is for actually finding out is directly related to this debate because in order for you to care about it, you must find out, which you’re just creating a blanket rule that all men can find out, and not actually illustrating how a man could find out. This is not the same as you u…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:58 AM
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I’m not insulting it, I am saying you not caring about his past and you focusing only on being chosen now is exactly what you’re showcasing. I didn’t say any of this was morally wrong, but by your own words, your boyfriend could’ve been a massive player and fucked hundreds of girls, but you wouldn’t care because you’re chosen right now. You’re right I don’t know if that’s true, but it’s interesting that you immediately get insulted by me bringing it up this is a potential possibility, which show…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:52 AM
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Sure, but say I get a match on a dating app for every thousand swipes, and by improving my like ability which means being inauthentic to myself, which thereby decreases my relationship ability I now get two matches for 1000 swipes, did I actually make any real progress?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:50 AM
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They will because that is generally unrelated to cleanliness. Say a woman is a waitress because she generally likes the job, gets a decent amount of tips, and it was her first job out of college. There’s no red flags in that, especially considering most men are the leaders economically anyway. However, men do complain about “ratchet” and “hood rat” or “low credit score activity” all the time, which may or may not be related to employment or income history. Men may also judge the other way where …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:48 AM
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OK, so if a guy has a history of yelling at women, does that count as violence to you? How about a guy getting into fights with other men but being great to his previous relationships? How about a guy’s history of getting hotheaded and being fired at work? It’s interesting that women’s main area of past red flags is supposedly off-limits, but the man’s main area is now subject to inquiry. What about a guys past drug use, his unemployment history, etc? Is that all off-limits? Who you date and sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:41 AM
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They care, but it’s just lower on the totem pole of signals. All these are signals to determine how clean a woman is, in that how risk adverse she is. Men talk all the time talk about how much a red flag a woman without a father figure is or saying that’s “fatherless energy”, which relates to an extended family tree. Credit score an income relates to a potential goal, digging and risk taken via that, which men do complained about. There are posts about these topics all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:38 AM
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You know damn well it’s not about being likable. Being a Chad has much more to do about your bone structure, height, an overall social status than anything else. Before you get into it, you’re saying to the guy you should just move to another country and get plastic surgery, and I fire back with if you are less than 100% happy with your dating life the same accountability must apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:35 AM
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Yet at the same time, you keep saying you have this magical method to sus out women’s pasts but yet you won’t reveal it because apparently that may dox you, yet you were claiming you’re one of the richest men on here and you take flights every single morning, which is vastly more traceable than whatever random technique you may know. Also, what you just shared is in no way personal, anyone can claim this and shows no signs of realness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:33 AM
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What? Where does porn come in here? You act like men want to hear this information, for a lot of guys this information is like the CarFax report or the homeownership history before buying a home. Who you date and eventually marry is probably the most important decision of your life, wouldn’t you want to know absolutely everything about them before you lock that down? The theoretical data sheet should include all that plus their historical credit scores, income history, extended family tree, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:31 AM
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Why me? I responded to you initially saying you’re assuming and there’s plenty of realities out there. The burden of proof is on you because you’re making a more extreme claim that babies who can’t be aborted will suffer automatically. I’m making a claim that there’s a mixture of lives out there, which is objectively more common sense. You’re also slammed together impoverished with abortion. A child could not live well in in proper conditions, but it doesn’t it is not satisfied or happy to be al…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:29 AM
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Dude, im going to be honest going through your comment history you basically live on the sub, and the way you type is kind of crazy as well as you’re avoiding saying anything about your personal experience so this just reads like a 14-year-old role-playing about life
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:24 AM
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This logic is extremely dumb because if you flip the genders, you could easily say women don’t deserve to know about men’s past if they were violent towards their partners, have arrest records, etc. yet id imagine you’d be all for that information to be publicly available, yet for women’s pass that’s apparently supposed to be a black box
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:21 AM
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lol the fast majority of men pick whoever likes them first because it’s an extremely rare instance. Just saying be Chad is like saying be a professional athlete or be an astronaut, you’re talking about really rare individuals with some level of natural talent from birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:18 AM
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This is the difference between men and women. Women genuinely don’t care about being in a harem or how dirty their guys dick is because to y’all it’s about being chosen, men it’s the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:16 AM
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Yea it does, the first time I had sex with my previous girlfriend she came
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:15 AM
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It’s not about the guy, it’s about getting her 100% interest in you. The actual act doesn’t matter if she genuinely hated them or was abused in someway, these things only matter if she genuinely liked the guy, but his other problems caused them to break up. The same logic applies where you wouldn’t wanna work at a place who could take you or leave you, because you’re replacing their star employee
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:14 AM
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Answers like this are interesting because it truly shows the gap between the wealthy and poor in terms of sexual intercourse. For many guys on here, they remember every single instance they’ve had sex because it’s so rare, so imagining a woman not being able to remember is absolutely bizarre to them, Especially because being penetrated is more intimate than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:11 AM
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This is just not the experience most guys have with women. Most women’s consent and interest definitely fluctuates with looks and dominance because many women do have a preference for submission, and that’s part of submission. Studies have shown the number one kink for women is consensual non-consent, and various role-plays related to not consent. Women are deeply submissive, and so yes their traction does change depending on how dominant you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:09 AM
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What you’re describing is 100% personal. Essentially what you’re saying is that if a guy doesn’t get intercourse rapidly under the same circumstances is because she didn’t have a good enough time with you, that is deeply personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:06 AM
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YES god what’s so hard to understand? Anyone who talks like this I think has a really poor concept of what love actually is, and that you’re only thinking about your own needs and not the actual quality of the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:05 AM
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Unironically if everyone had a spreadsheet like that it would make the world a whole lot easier
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:03 AM
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To be honest, this is a little bizarre. In general, I agree with you, but it’s not like someone can track you down with your generalized relationship advice to guys and how to evaluate a woman’s past an example wouldn’t hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:03 AM
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Because it’s about getting the opportunity to say yes, and then investigate. Men and women have opposite vetting experiences, because women always have the option to obtain a man sexually, it’s her job to vet him before anything happens. However, the opposite is true for men, most men do not get an opportunity And so the goal for them is to get a yes, and then determine if they want to say yes to that. The simplest analogy is for men is like buying a Lamborghini and for women it’s like buying a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:01 AM
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Power dynamics. If she tells me her previous boyfriend broke up with her he would have to have looked good enough to where he felt confident he could obtain a different woman who is better for him. Yes, there are rare cases where our man truly leaves a woman to remain single, but this is the vast minority of cases. However, if she said she broke up with her previous boyfriend, she must’ve felt that she was better than him, or it could get better, in which case I could be more attractive than him…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:58 AM
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Firstly, some women definitely do this, and the woman who do do it for a variety of reasons. One reason is to try and shame the man into you saying that she could have whoever she wants and so he better act right, other times women just like telling on themselves because they believe for some reason it empowers them. It’s Exactly why some female artists (kupcake, doja cat) produce extremely vulgar music because they believe it’s empowering for some reason. Another potential reason is that they t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:56 AM
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So what I’m hearing is you have a personal bad experience and are assuming everyone’s experience is like your experience. Please don’t use anecdotal evidence, please provide data to assert the claim that more examples exist of poor outcomes via the lack of abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:39 PM
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Several ways: You could be more attractive physically than anyone else, in that just like women guys want to feel that they are too attractive to let the opportunity go. The conversation and tension in the first meeting or meetings prior could’ve gone way better with you than anyone else. She could feel extremely safe with you and wouldn’t take the risk because she views it as less risky. It’s also a little bit about profile, if you see a girl who sort of dressed down and in the corner of the ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:34 PM
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Depends on how you define boundary versus preference. To me and many other people of boundaries are a hard walk away line, where as a preference is something you’d prefer they not do but it’s not something you’d actually walk away from. Is exactly what the guy above me was talking about, he has a preference for no tattoos, but wouldn’t mind if everything else was fine. Someone else could have a boundary for tattoos based on religious reasons or something, and walk away because of it. Your bounda…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:16 PM

I would take it one step farther, if you’re on the sub, there’s a very high likelihood you are under the age of 60. If that is the case, then at most you experienced light sexism in the 1980s, a time in which women were already well integrated at the workforce, had access to credit, And major roles in media, etc. You bring up good examples, but none of it actually matters because no one here actually experience anything close to these scenarios as they’re so historical. I also find it funny that…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:10 PM
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What? That’s completely realistic. It’s essentially saying I find you so attractive that I’m willing to break my personal rules but only for you. It’s literally what guys want in general and how humans should operate, for the right resource you should be willing to do more, if you have the same rule for everybody regardless of The quality that you’re dealing with to me that’s more concerning
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:08 PM
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No, that’s not playing hard to get. Playing hard to get is arbitrarily changing the rules, becoming distant only to come back to gain attention again to become distant again, and essentially leading someone on. What is not playing hard to get is having an established boundary that you set regardless of outcome or intention. Essentially, if you as a woman say, I will not sleep with someone prior to the third date, and you tell him that, you’re actually doing the opposite of playing hard to get. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:06 PM
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I’m sorry you’ve had that experience, but also what makes this confusing is that many women with this kink also have consensual non-consent as part of it. Essentially them saying no is part of the whole game. Keep in mind you’re talking to someone who doesn’t share this, and I’ve been asked to do it by a partner, and I’ve said no because I was uncomfortable. In reality, what women have to realize is if they accept very aggressive men in terms of courting, they’re likely gonna be aggressive in ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:04 PM
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This is poor logic. Firstly, there are plenty of other situations where the punishment is added on top of the consequences of your own action, for example, if you do a reckless stunt off a bridge and end up hurting yourself, you still get ticketed or jailed, as well as have to deal with your own medical bills. The law has never had this since where the consequence of your action are severe enough you don’t get legal punishment if it’s against the law. If you run from the police and get hurt, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:01 PM
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What? You totally can, men and women alike. You can have a boundary for something as small as hair color, any boundary is valid. Tattoos are a very valid boundary because some may find it a moral according to religious customs to Mark and skin, so you getting a tattoo would be violating their religious boundary. You also could expand the category to bodily autonomy. If you were dating a man and he decided to want to become trans and cut his dick off, would you then say that’s not a valid boundar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:56 PM
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How do you know that family will resent it? Again you’re just assuming, there’s been plenty of examples of people who don’t want kids, have a baby, and then fall in love with the kid. They also could give up the child for adoption to loving parents. There’s a whole range of options you’re not considering because you want to justify abortion of all other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:54 PM
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All of that bolsters my point. In your example sleeping with them too early is giving him a signal that you’re open to everybody, not just him. It’s because he doesn’t have enough information about you to determine if it’s just him and he’s assuming under the premise that because typically it’s difficult for him to get any action because it’s easy this time it must be because You are promiscuous. That’s why the number of dates doesn’t matter, it’s the amount of information the guy has. A guy who…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:28 AM
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What is the debate here? Are you asking us to debate that if it’s framed this way or debate the validity that it’s a zero sum game?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:57 AM

How could this possibly relate to what I said? Are you implying that I am doing something negative to women today simply because I’m a man? What payback would I receive, I’m not doing anything negative and the only way I would in your mind is if I’m being punished for something my ancestors did which I didn’t do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:55 AM
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Adding a bit of historical perspective, a lot of people believe before feminism women didn’t have any rights, this was far from the case. In many places, women essentially ran the social hierarchy from behind the scenes, many diplomats were told to win over the queen or female relative of the king before going to the king himself. However, what prevented formalized female rule or land ownership en masse (outside of unique heir situations) a lot of times was religion. People forget how religious …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:49 AM
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Several answers: These cultures you’re referring to view love as protection, in that in their minds, loving their daughter is hiding them away, preventing them from driving, hiding their face, etc., because the belief of these cultures is that men are unstoppable and will violate women at any moment. As such there is no gap between loving your female relative and hiding them away for these cultures, thereby bridging the cognitive distance. There’s deep religious indoctrination from birth that cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:41 AM
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You’re not getting his point. His point is that of women’s kinks a larger percent of them enjoy the pain. Whether you like it or not both parties like this experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:36 AM
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OK, that’s a different situation. You’re saying you’re making an exception for a rule of yours because this woman fits every other category. The situation provided is that she did not have a tattoo, and you already were vocal about your dislikes of tattoos, and then she got one anyway. That’s not just violating a standard you have, that’s going above and beyond to violate it, knowing your partner doesn’t like it and doing so because you want a tattoo and you don’t consider your partner’s feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:32 AM
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How do you know they’ll suffer? I swear, every time I run into someone like you who is extremely pro abortion it almost immediately comes with an anti natal view that life is apparently all suffering and thereby it’s humane to kill anything that’s born. You have no idea if that child will have a good life or not
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:29 AM
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No, it’s called being punished for your own poor choices. The law has always been clear on that, it’s why we have FDIC insurance for your savings if a bank goes under, but we don’t have insurance for your own investment decisions. The law has always tried to create exceptions for actions done onto you, but not by your choice or by you. Another example is if you are in a police chase and the police wreck your car you will have to pay for your own damage, whereas if the police wreck your car while…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:27 AM

“After centuries” who cares? Do you live in 1750 women always do this, they essentially have stolen valor of a time they never lived in nor experience and use it as justification to be assholes to dudes today. In your mind, even if every single woman on the planet issued a death threat to a guy it wouldn’t matter because in your mind you’re thinking about all the historical grievances and so don’t care about treatment today. If you wanna think like that it opens up a really dangerous can of worm…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:19 AM
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Yeah, but my disagreement with you is on you starting this with I have no idea where this idea came from, I’m saying we all do know it’s clearly women who want this to be true because it makes their lives easier
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:14 AM
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Women take this out of context. The whole concept of timing around women’s availability is general interest versus specific interest. If she doesn’t sleep with anyone on the first date, but wants to sleep with you on the first date I think the vast majority of guys would have no problem with that in fact would love it. However, if she’s open to sleeping on the first date with anybody then it’s undesirable. The same thing applies here, men don’t like chasing because it seems like a waste of time,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:12 AM
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Sure, but you’re not ascribing enough actual malice to the creation of this idea. You’re acting as if it was complete accident or misinterpretation, when reality is perpetrated by women who want to do absolutely nothing and justify it with their sexuality and liking assertive men. Women are just cowardly and don’t want to be rejected in the field and are Turned off when they do approach because it’s not womanly to do that, and so they’ll make up this bullshit because they don’t wanna confront th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:08 AM
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Why? Really it’s an unstoppable force versus immovable object sort of situation, both parties are looking at the situation like why are you blowing this up over something small. the guys perspective if you never like tattoos and was vocal about it, he would see it as his wife Purposely trying to upset him by getting a tattoo and the wife thinks that the man is being unnecessarily controlling by preventing her from getting a tattoo and so both parties think this is a blow up over nothing. In real…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:04 AM
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Then how does the sex work? you said if it happens it happens, are you dating these people? What are they actually paying for?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:16 AM
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Maybe? I feel like it would open up a really big can of worms around Are you allowed to make things like fan accounts or basically any account that’s not directly your personal identity. Because of that, I imagine would get thrown out in court unless they explicitly say DM me or their name and they’d just say dm this account instead
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 06:14 AM
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This is a very delusional take and screams You have no experience with actually raising children nor have done research on surrogacy. Firstly, with the surrogacy calculation, I’m only counting the actual labor part, most of the calculations you will see online include legal fees for the contract, supplemental food, etc., which are not guaranteed costs. All those cost wouldn’t matter if you were in a relationship and you both mutually agreed to be parents, so the only actual cost associated with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:31 AM
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I’m confused where you said there’s no legal document saying a man has to pay his wife, that’s literally a thing. There’s alimony and child support. There is power. You’re acting like the vast majority of men just run away with no consequence. There’s legal protection and power in that. You can also find another man, sure it will be hard but in the same way as going to school for a very specific type of career may make employment at another employer hard, the same is true for parenting. You can …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:25 AM

Ok, and? Am I talking about the US? the reason I mentioned Scandinavia is because historically in any field where repression has existed you’ve seen a natural bump initially when things open up because participants who’ve always wanted to do the job but can’t are suddenly able to, but usually these rates naturalize overtime as there’s no longer barriers to entry enticing candidates to join nor a backlog of interested people. It’s a well documented fact that there is allure to supposedly not bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:11 AM
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Sure, but like I responded to somebody else, you could say the same thing about your actual employment. If you live paycheck to paycheck, you’re equally reliant on your company not going under or them not firing you because they changed priorities, etc. Just because the dependency Has an actual contract doesn’t make it that you’re not dependent, if you live paycheck to paycheck, you still are dependent on something it just is not a spouse. If anything, you could argue that a spouse will likely b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:08 AM
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You like other women on here are acting like mothers are the only thing required for children. Fathers are too. About 75% of households have a father or father like figure, the actual raising of the child is statistically done by both parents. The only genuine biological difference of labor is the actual birthing of the child, which if we use a surrogate as evaluation that cost 15 to 25,000 for the labor part alone. Many women do get that value back by not having to work and their husband is wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:04 AM

Interesting that suddenly this is women’s traditional work when for the last 50 years Y’all have been trying to get away from that as your defining value. Which is it, do you want to all be mothers and be valued for it, or do you want to choose what you want in which case your choice to be mother at the current evaluation is your choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:55 AM

We are adults, we don’t need to hide behind that phrase and should just say you mean sexual assault or do you mean bad sex. Those are two different concepts, I’m just referring to bad sex, which is mutually agreed upon intercourse that went poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:54 AM

To me that’s a weirder conclusion. If the time you experience something has no bearing on how much trauma or dislike you develop I think there’s something wrong. Say I really like ice cream but I had to eat a bad flavor for five minutes versus 30 minutes, the five minute memory would go away much faster than a 30 minute memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:52 AM
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The problem with this type of argument is that it’s a chicken and the egg with power and money. In your example of a woman being rewarded in your words by a good husband because she is raising the child you claim she is powerless because she’s not getting actual money comma, but in reality, she is getting monetary value in living a lifestyle that she likes, mainly not having to clock into a job, getting food and shelter paid for, etc. You can then argue. The same thing is true for our normal pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:48 AM
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Every single mother as in the number of mothers, not single mothers as in those without a partner. Also, I responded to your other comment explicitly saying what carrying a child to term’s valuation is which is a surrogacy which is between 15 and $25,000, which many women do you get in the form of economic support from their partners. Roughly one and five mothers are single mothers, which sounds like a lot, but in reality that doesn’t count single mothers who do get alimony or child support, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:42 AM

What I don’t get is that quick lasting poor sex shouldnt turn you off from sex for a long time, because it’s only five minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:34 AM

That doesn’t count. I’m talking about mutually agreed-upon intercourse that goes poorly, not sexual assault. By that argument, I could say the worst sex man could have is being penetrated anally without lubricant, which is worse because it’s not self lubricating like a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:32 AM

I’m not telling you that women should have sex and have kids with OP, as you can likely find a guy who doesn’t talk shit about women to have kids with. I am telling you though is it still your choice, and you shouldn’t have protection for choices you make outside of what you’ve already built in as a social safety net. That could be money you’ve saved to have a kid, that could be the partners you select who will cover for you either in the short term or becoming a traditional wife and having cove…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:30 AM

It’s not that they don’t value them, in fact, you can look up exactly what a babysitter costs today. It’s just that women want an extreme amount of value for something that they are also choosing to do themselves. Women like you often argue as if every single mother in the world didn’t want kids, and were forced to do so. In reality, many women do want to be mothers, and yet still want to be compensated for this choice and many are, it’s just not to the degree that most women like yourself want.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:08 AM

You do know that Scandinavia, where women have had equal status for far longer gender disparities in occupation are still happening, and in fact are increasing? The rate of male nurses and teachers is decreasing, even as the government pushes extreme programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:05 AM

What I don’t get is bad sex for women also implies quick sex. Part of the whole complaints from women is no foreplay and just jam to get in, but a guy like that also orgasms quickly so it’s over very quickly. The absolute worst sex for women likely is over with five minutes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:03 AM

Because it’s mutually assured destruction. People don’t realize not having enough kids collapses Social Security systems and pensions. You suddenly enter a world where every old person can’t live because there’s not enough young people to feed the system. Women are hurt by this too, in fact, they hurt more because they live longer than men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:00 AM
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So what we want to make our moms sex slaves? Istg if you say yes I’m worried for you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:07 PM
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It’s not, I literally said it’s NOT ok to profile. I’m pointing out a hole in her logic
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:05 PM
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Paragraphs one and two seem like opposites. How can you have a sampling biased toward women and then say well we actually have a lot of data around men if all the data was gathered around these supposedly over sample women? I never said feminism is stopping us from looking into men’s mental health. In fact, it’s great that we’re making progress. However, this is literally no different than women in stem. If we saw a small jump in women’s representation in say engineering and said oh problem solv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:53 PM
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The fact you’re still questioning is still a no true Scotsman. It just now instead of saying no real woman in South would’ve experienced no male danger, you’re now saying no grandma would tell their grandson everything. All I can tell you is that she did, and I also have access to all my family records. For example, I know that my granddad died of alcoholism, and her father got ran over by a train. She went to great detail how that felt, the support of her community, and more. I know about her a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:46 PM
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/treating-ectopic-pregnancies-legal-states-abortion-banned-misinformation https://www.tmb.state.tx.us/file/texas-abortion-law-presentation https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acem.14712 Those are not considered abortions. Case in point Texas is an extremely religious state in the United States that banned abortions and requires you to show ID to watch pornography, yet they are totally fine dealing with that sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:23 PM
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Some are some aren’t. It’s entirely based on what you think is alive or not alive. That brings in religious questions that have nothing to do with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:21 PM
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You know you could choose not to have children right? That’s what I mean by no restrictions, you are free to avoid men the rest of your life and never had this issue. You don’t have freedom from your own choices, you have freedom to make choices. Secondly, even at your highest amount which is 70 women murdered a year by intimate partners, that’s nothing. That’s not statistically significant in any measure. I’m sorry I just don’t care about 70 people dying. That’s not enough people for you to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:20 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman No, you’re literally doing this. You’re questioning the authenticity of the relationship between me and my grandma and my mother because you believe that no woman could have a truly fine experience with men in the south. You were literally taking your own experience of you not sharing with your children, and your family keeping secrets and assuming mine must as well. You have no idea who I am, no idea how much we share, or anything like that. You’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:13 PM
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Again, you and other women keep responding with stuff that doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter how other men are taking it, all your freedoms are intact. Men could hate it all day long but yet you are still free to move anywhere you want to. In fact, I argue most men are happy for it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:07 PM
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How do you know? #KillAllMen was trending for a while on Twitter. Are you gonna say that none of them believe that, it’s all fake, etc.? If so, then anytime a guy jokes about something terrible like rape then you must say that no one actually believes that on the male side.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:06 PM
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Firstly, you’re misunderstanding me, I know Planned Parenthood is a normal clinic, that’s exactly my point. I’m saying, the general populous thinks that’s only an abortion clinic. Secondly, this is all extremely conspiratorial. Where is your proof that this is some grand Cabal against women, why can’t it just be people Don’t like the concept of murder? In particular murdering of babies? You’re assuming your read of upper echelon politics is correct when you have no idea what actually goes on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:05 PM
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Sure, in the actual hospital, there’s no artificial designation making money go to one gender or another. But you’re still missing my point. How do those hospitals get money? They get money by showing that they are helping people mental health wise to better outcomes. Right now, most of the research and science is on what helps women And that is talk therapy, as such, they hire more talk, therapists, prioritize the care of women a little bit more, etc. because they know it’ll show more outcomes …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:57 PM
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I didn’t ask for any examples, where are you getting that? I don’t feel like the draft is some sort of injustice on men, because unfortunately, the war works you need the strongest bodies available, and that happens to be men. Plenty of women are indeed in the military, that’s not a majority of fighting force. Also, the male draft doesn’t seem to relate to my claim that women are not persecuted today. Because unlike the draft where every man has to sign up, you can just choose not to have kids, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:50 PM
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Sure, but as you know, the way reddit works is when you get a reply It only shows the comment directly above, which is my comment, nothing above it. I did not know you were referring to that person’s comment. The general populous doesnt even know abortion happens in normal clinics. Genuinely the general populist thinks that there’s a specific abortion clinic like Planned Parenthood, and that there are specific IVF clinics. It makes it really easy for the general populous to assume one’s all good…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 09:01 PM
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That’s not pretty basic, you should’ve put your link and then describe what you’re trying to say with that link. Your chain of logic doesn’t work because you’re assuming logic with morale arguments, which is not always true. Firstly, many people just don’t know this, a lot of people don’t know that in these clinics plenty of embryos are destroyed, they just see the general purpose of a clinic and assume it’s all good. Secondly, some people do know, but find a moral difference between the intenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:49 PM
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Ok, and? I’m not talking about stuff Men have to deal with here, I’m exclusively talking about the life of the average woman which has no actual restrictions. You and other women seem to be responding with non-relevant things here because you have no actual response to the freedoms that you actually do have
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:15 PM
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Firstly, you’re barking at the wrong tree. I never said my stance on it, I’m just saying those that do have a stance on it have a morality issue that this type of study which tries to use science to argue why it is more acceptable will not work. The people who do have moral issue with it almost always believe in some sort of soul in which case this type of paper does nothing. You’re shooting the messenger here. Secondly, this has nothing to do with what I’m actually responding to. Nothing in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:14 PM
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Ok, and? I’m not saying boo feminism. I’m responding to people saying they are still persecuted when they are not. Do you believe you’re still persecuted?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 07:08 PM
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We have that now. Women are free to move anywhere, freedom to marry who they want, and free to live the lifestyle they choose. Where in your mind do you think we don’t have that system?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:51 PM
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lol literal no true Scotsman defense which is a logical fallacy. My grandma and mother’s experiences in the south are just as relevant to yours. Should go and say I don’t believe your experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:47 PM
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How is that against women? It’s just against the murder. Obviously, if you care about it being murder, you have no rules against creating it, but you would have rules against destroying it. There’s nothing in that it’s against women, and women have this problem where they confuse Laws that mostly affect them because of their biology as anti women. If a guy took a baby after it was born and killed it that would also be murder, some states believe abortion is the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:45 PM
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I would tell my daughter to watch out for strangers, not just strange men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:43 PM

Men get beat up too in public. What is your point here? Domestic violence isn’t even exclusively for women, over a lifetime It’s estimated one and four women experience, domestic violence, and one and seven men experience domestic violence. There is a difference, but it’s not like men are excluded from this conversation. You’re now talking about interpersonal matters as opposed to genuine societal design against women. Sure NFL players do this at a higher rate, but are you married to an NFL play…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:37 PM
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It pokes holes in the narrative that it was universally terrible for women. My mom talked fairly, fondly about those times, and her mom was a strong, independent woman in the deep south who was widowed and was not approached or abused by any man. The problem a lot of men see is that women make up a claim that almost university women are abused by men and thereby are justified in hating men. If there are plenty of examples of women enjoying life around men, then it does poke holes in the theory t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:46 PM
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To be honest, every woman on this sub that I’ve seen openly talk about hating men has gone through something traumatic, there’s equal amount of women who claimed to not hate men because they did not go through something traumatic. It’s clear then that traumatic things happening to women on behalf of men is not a universal concept, thereby you can’t just hide behind the shield that women by natures law will get hurt by men, and thereby have to deal with your own trauma rather than blaming men as …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:43 PM
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Omg delusional. There were not mass beatings in public like this is Saudi Arabia, and even in Saudi Arabia They don’t actually do that to random women. It seems you genuinely hate men so much. you’ve deluded yourself to make them to be enemy to you regardless actual facts. Do you honestly believe that even in 2005 you’d walk around in a major American city and get randomly beat up With a high degree of probability? How about now? Secondly, you act like every man is involved in this, when in real…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:39 PM
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Literally look above you, the person above you is exactly saying all men are trash because men hurt women. It’s a common opinion women have now that all men are apparently evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:29 PM
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It’s always interesting women quote all the negatives, but never the actual positives. Happy wife happy life was a phrase during this period, chivalry was a concept during this period, protecting your wife and providing for her was a concept in this period. You’re free to say you don’t want any of that, I don’t act like in 1970 We were just beating women in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:28 PM
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Practically? No. You are free to get any job you want, go to any school you want, marry, who you want, etc. The only actual thing women are genuinely persecuted for these days is reproductive rights which vastly depends on the place (if you live in western Europe, there’s no persecution) and you can even argue that it’s not actual persecution because most places that have anti-abortion laws believe abortion to be murder, so it’s not against the woman it’s against murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:23 PM
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You don’t know me. I’ve done both, I’m on therapist number seven at this point, and I’ve done therapy before crisis, during crisis, and after crisis. You are essentially assuming I and almost every man just seeks out during crisis, that’s not true. Also your point about men seeking help regarding feeling impoverished is nonsense, because I’m sorry if you’re actually starving it is not that you’re insecure about starving it’s that you’re actually starving. No amount of therapy can prevent that. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:59 AM
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Firstly, you’re using your own anecdotal experience, comma not statistics around how long men on average day in short term versus partial hospitalization versus full hospitalization, etc. This type of story is useless because it could be totally based on your specific practice being bad. There’s absolutely no way this is meaningful data But I’ll play ball. Interesting that you phrase this like it men’s problems that they are isolated and don’t come in earlier. The whole point of a mental health …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:06 PM
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Do you have any evidence to back this up? Even if I take what you say is true, it’s a chicken and the egg problem. Let’s just say men do leave earlier, maybe they are leaving because the programs are not being effective for them. You can’t just say men leave that’s why they’re unsuccessful, equal likely programs are not effective Hence they leave early.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:46 PM
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Firstly, I never said in the future. You’re the one who introduced that and it’s funny because that’s such a nebulous term that it makes it sound like I want to banish mental health for women. I’m saying we need a separate pool of money for men which is exclusive to men for now. Just like women in stem programs, you need a separate initiative that the other gender can’t touch. You miss my entire point about the way funding works. My point is when feminist vote for more mental health funding It g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:02 PM
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I slightly don’t, because like in our other thread I’m not saying women should get more funding or the whole system because that will just keep getting funnel towards women. I’m saying men need to get their own separate pool of funding or more targeted funding approach to solve these issues, similar to women in stem for career placement issues. This is moving the goal post. First thing you were saying it doesn’t exist, now you’re saying it does exist, but it doesn’t matter. It matters because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:56 PM
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No, you’re the one now thinking in black-and-white. By your logic, women in stem program should’ve never existed because that’s money only for women and it shows that women only want money in the future to go to them. It’s about creating a program explicitly for men to help address the problem. Men obviously do use mental health programs, just like before these programs women were in stem fields. However, feminist constantly quoted the lack of representation, the rarity of it, etc., as a sign of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:47 PM
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You completely misread my point. My point is not that let’s get rid of mental health services for men and it’s good We kept women in prison, that’s just an extremely biased viewpoint you have bias against men. Obviously mental health has improved since these times and it’s good that we moved on from that barbaric era, my point was at many of the learnings We have are built on bunk science that we then had to undo and work around. Talk therapy has been proven to be very effective for women, and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:41 PM
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Of course not, in fact, I’m the one arguing it’s not effective. What I’m saying is not removed funding from women, I’m saying new funding should only be for men to solve the design of the problem. Exactly the same methodology where women had stem field programs for career placement, career exploratory programs, etc. that were exclusively for them to solve their design issues in society. You’re just saying giving everyone more money solves a problem, and it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:33 PM
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I didn’t, literally the foundation of mental health was around women. The term hysteria is a direct reference to a hysterectomy because early mental health believed mental illness was really only shown in women as a result of female anatomy. Many of the early solutions around talk therapy were based around work for women. It’s just a proven fact that mental offerings are not as effective for men. https://www.aamc.org/news/men-and-mental-health-what-are-we-missing This argument does not make any …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:30 PM
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lol it’s actually useless debating. I’m providing actual statistics that summarize across groups and you’re using an example of two people from two entirely different areas with two different judges as your evidence. “When examining all sentences imposed, females received sentences 29.2 percent shorter than males. Females of all races were 39.6 percent more likely to receive a probation sentence than males. When examining only sentences of incarceration, females received lengths of incarceration…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:22 PM
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Fine even if you go with that assumption you’re assuming that more services will serve a particular group in this case men. There already is money in mental health services and schools because we have both, they just don’t serve men well. The problem is the design of both aspects, not the lack of amount of them or the amount of service providers. To fix this issue money can’t go to women, it must go to men to first solve the design and then I can go to both. It’s exactly why women have specific …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:19 PM
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What????? There’s literally a graphic depicting, white, black, Hispanic males compared to female sentencing. You didn’t even read this you just are stubborn. There’s literally this sentence: Hispanic females received sentences 27.8 percent longer than White females, while Other race females received sentences 10.0 percent shorter. Please actually READ THE STUDY
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:13 PM
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Lmao this is just a long winded excuse for you not to cook. You are hunting mammoths anymore dude just pick up a spatula
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:09 PM
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No, I think his point was that if we are going to go by what is natural then it brings up a lot of dark implications about our society and what we should be doing. I think his point was more we can do women’s rights but also then we can’t make biology an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:07 PM
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You sure about that? https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/2023-demographic-differences-federal-sentencing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:05 PM
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The problem with all your solutions is that you’re just saying to put more money in places and not specifically where in those places to put money. You’re just saying put more money into mental health, put more money in the schools, etc. Firstly, you’re not actually addressing the men’s issue here, you’re just saying put more money in these places, which would then benefit both men and women equally. Secondly, where is the money gonna come from? Thirdly you’re assuming more money equals with ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:04 PM
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Wait you want to be enslaved?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:58 PM
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Vastly poorer outcomes for mental health services for men, which includes things like the lack of men’s specific shelters, and lack of male oriented psychological studies. Most of mental health history was built on studying women, and results show that therapy for men is far less effective. Sentencing for crimes is much harsher for men for the same crime compared to women. It’s a clear judicial bias against men as more violent even at the same amount of violence was actually done in a crime. Pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:56 PM
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Omg you are insufferable. You’re completely miss reading me. I’m not making up conclusions on the study, and I’m literally saying what my interpretation is, not that the study explicitly says that. You’re the one who’s interpreting it to be long-term relationship. All I am doing is directly repeating the results of the study, which is like you said in short term attraction women prefer aggression and long-term women don’t. I’m calling out you saying that I am making up results when I’m interpret…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 04:27 PM
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It’s not that crazy. I’ve had it personally to me for an act I actually didn’t want to do, but usually in my experiences it’s people, typically women, telling on themselves that they don’t want to be in this relationship/this relationship doesn’t excite them. Almost every time I hear a story like this it’s because they’ve settled for you because you’re the safe option, and they don’t want to engage in activity with a person they view would taint their memories of the experience with somebody els…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:32 PM
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You’re arguing what I’m saying you’re arguing. Unless someone’s definition of being the best person for their sake is being the most moral person they can think of regardless of results, most people can’t do this. Most people eventually want to find a partner and the best version of themselves in their mind is someone with someone romantically. You’re asking for the monk lifestyle for the general populous, which is impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:29 PM
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Firstly, I’m not saying women are automatically attracted to murders, I explicitly said women are attracted to violence and also aggression. How you interpret that is up to you, it’s just that murderers exhibit these traits. Secondly, I don’t think you fully read the study. They controlled for the factor of it being sanctioned violence by making up stories around remorse for non-remorse, essentially one of their experimental variables was a one of the fake soldiers was remorseful in his actions …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:27 PM
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I think it proves that women definitely prefer aggressive men who enjoyed that aggression at the right time of their cycle. Below is an explanation of the actual survey and what was asked: Participants read a fictional scenario of a soldier named “Wilko” who had returned from fighting a war in Afghanistan. From here, the women were instructed to complete three tasks. First, they had to consider Wilko for different types of relationships (i.e., a date, steady boyfriend, life partner, platonic fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:24 PM
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This is a very childish take. Essentially what you’re arguing for is that you as an individual should be ignoring any and all social realities to be the best person you could be. Well, that sounds great in theory, but you ask somebody to be a perfect angel for 40+ years of their dating life And just ignore all this, which is objectively impossible. You will crack, or at least quit the system that you think is rigged against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:03 PM
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Several factors: Women tend to date older men, and so the age brackets for men and women are reversed in terms of likelihood to be in a relationship. As men get older, they’re more likely to be in a relationship, as women get older, less likely to be in a relationship. A higher percentage of women identify as gay compared to men, with the most recent data showing around 10% of women identify as lesbian that takes up a small portion of the difference as it takes two women out of the count compare…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:00 PM
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Thank you for the data, but I still think there’s a genuine problem because the actual statistics that would generate children to keep our society growing are decreasing. The marriage rates which typically result in higher rates of having children are dropping, and what this does not show is the percentage of these couples that are gay and thereby are not having biological children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:57 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10481062/ You are wrong. The study showed that women do prefer violence and stories of trauma for short term romantic flings, but not long-term romantic partners. It’s directly tied to attraction in you. Secondly, your analogy to attractive women and abusive women doesn’t make sense, because men’s attraction in women is counter to women being abusive. Traditionally men prefer submissive and quiet women, which typically do not go along with abusive women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:55 PM
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What I said doesn’t negate that women can be gold diggers, ironically, the fact that there’s so many women shelters proves the point that they are because a women shelter is absolutely free and comes no strings attached, whereas a relationship would.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:50 PM
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Wow what? Wow I said it or wow it happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:48 PM
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https://aibm.org/commentary/gen-zs-romance-gap-why-nearly-half-of-young-men-arent-dating/ https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2050/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/18/us-adults-in-their-20s-and-30s-plan-to-have-fewer-children-than-in-the-past/ People are not in fact coupling up. Almost every statistic you can find shows that the most recent generation is dating less than in the past, and since the 2010s, the amount of couple saying they want children has decreased by 20%. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:00 AM
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I know you did, but that’s not what I’m attacking. You’re not actually responding to what I am responding to. You’re making up that I care about the causes, when I don’t. My exact response was to you saying that men and women are indeed coupling up, and I’m saying they’re not You just now added in your reply to me that you believe the causes are materialistic, but you’re exact response to him was that people are still coupling up, but you provided no evidence that they are. They are overall not …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:37 AM
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Firstly doesn’t matter your social media consumption because the statistics are reflection of real life. Secondly, if anyone’s brain is rotted, it’s yours because I didn’t even talk about potential causes. You’re the one who’s believing I’m saying It’s all women’s fault when I alluded to no actual cause, I only said what I said to attack your point that men and women are meeting in real life so there’s no problem, and I’m saying statistically There is a problem. It’s a problem you’re admitting i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:31 AM
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Women have been known to withhold an act because doing it with you would “ruin it” because you don’t fit the “vibe”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 03:16 AM
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I’ve had it. Ironically, I didn’t even want the act, but a deeply put me off of her and showed exactly where I was. The person I was dating enjoyed public sex in semi private areas, think a library bathrooms and the like. When I asked her why she did it, she felt it was exhilarating, but also a little degrading which she liked. I wasn’t thrilled with this, but to keep the conversation going, I asked her would she ever wanna do it again as more of a test of her morality, and she responded with “o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:51 AM
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It 100% is. It’s been proven that women biologically seek signs of power and status because back in cave times they saw that as signs that the man could protect them. Many times women’s biological urges confused violence for the ability to protect them, exactly why male serial killers get thousands more letters than female serial killers, and many of these letters contain the same language of you wouldn’t do that to me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:41 AM
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No there’s not there’s way more homeless men and there’s exclusive shelters for homeless women to protect against this tactic
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:36 AM
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They’re not though. Anytime I hear this type of take it screams You don’t actually read scientific literature on the current state of dating. The current youngest generation is not getting married, having kids, or even dating at alarming rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:23 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:20 PM
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If anyone’s being black and white it’s you. you’re giving women all the slack yet or still saying men shouldn’t get the same. Of course people are multifaceted, that’s not my point. Multifaceted doesn’t mean you get to have a philosophy around childhood development and conveniently ignore it for the other sex. That is called being inconsistent in your philosophy. Secondly, children definitely do date. Many people lose their virginity between 13 and 16, and if you’re gonna come at me saying that’…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:16 PM
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Then what are better examples? The problem a lot of guys see is that when women are giving examples of their boundaries changing it almost always revolve around some sort of sexual action or timing that they no longer do, which goes back to the elementary school level thinking that this action is somehow causing or enhancing someone to be bad. The only way that’s true is if the woman has to believe that any man who would ask for intimacy too quick is inherently bad, which I think is an oversimpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:04 PM
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This response is extremely stupid. Firstly, with the living/moving in situation he literally said it’s different because he’s choosing to not live with another woman so he’s not dating another woman. He’s quitting the game. Obviously if his example is that the man does date and then now says he doesn’t wanna live with a woman again who he is now dating then yes, it is unfair and she does have a right to ask why she’s not getting the same treatment. You didn’t understand his actual example. Secon…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:53 PM
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Two can play this game. Women on here constantly say men should know better that a woman won’t ever actually like you for just being nice, that attraction has a deep role and it’s your fault for believing in fairytales. Yet apparently for women it’s excused and should be understood Why a young woman believes in the fairytale or is not hyper cynical. So which is it? Should children not believe in fairytales on dating and be cynical from the start, or should everybody, including men have the abili…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:46 PM
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The problem is what you say you’re changing is not actually your framework but rather actions and as such is a cheap cop out to actually evaluating your criteria. For example, if you now tell yourself that you no longer sleep with someone prior to one month of dating because the last guy you did that for was an asshole, You’re not actually thinking about what flags the previous guy had, what he was like as a personality, or anything like that, you’re just saying the action of sleeping together i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:44 PM
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Don’t date as a teenager. Have some moral character
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:41 PM
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So if you admit that the real problem is the actions that result from objectification, then your post about who is ready to blame doesn’t actually matter. You’re just mad about who perpetrates things based on objectification, which is mostly men. However, then your problems with the actual perpetrators, not men in general, which case you’re directing your anger at the wrong group of people. Unless you believe all men do this in which case again I can’t help you. You’re assuming a lot about men’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:10 PM
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Sure, but your question is about who’s actually doing the objectifying/the fault of the objectification. Just like in insurance for car accidents, it doesn’t have to be exactly 100% one persons fault. It could be 25% one person and 75% another person. In this case, let’s use your Taylor Swift example. It’s not like she’s wearing a sweatsuit on stage, she has a well designed choreography and outfit to elicit a sexual response. At minimum then you can’t say to the random dude watching That’s 100% …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:53 PM
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I’m directly responding to your post which is to say that you were saying it’s always men’s faults When women are objectified, I’m directly stating that’s not true because there’s plenty of times where things are designed to make men objectify. Yes, it is up to men to act or not act on it, depending on the wants of the person being objectified, but I’m directly going against your post saying it’s always men’s fault for objectifying
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:09 PM
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This proves you do not want to listen nor are you capable of actually taking in information. I have said twice now that it’s not an excuse for behavior, and twice you’ve tried to imply that I am excusing behavior based on biology. Two things can be true. Things can be designed to directly go after men’s biology and men can still be blamed for falling for it. However, to just assume men have zero biological impulses in objectification is equivalent to saying women have zero biological impulses fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:07 PM
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So then there’s no point in debating you further. You directly admitted you dislike men off of poor previous experience. While I’m sorry you’ve had this experience, matching hate with hate doesn’t do anyone any good, and I would encourage you to learn about men’s biological wiring more, which may give you a better understanding. Plenty of women have not had “extreme harm” by men. My mom included.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:54 PM
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OK, so when a woman kills her newborn because of postpartum depression she should be held 100% legally responsible, yet many times judges provide leniency. My guess is you would argue this is the bar for clinically insane, but then what is? Porn pornography addiction is listed as an addiction in the DSM-5. My point is is not up to you to determine who is mentally well or unwell, and in general, your whole viewpoint is extremely uncompassionate, and to me screams that you are asexual, or at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:54 PM
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Let me flip the genders. Women have mood swings because of their period cycle. I’m well aware of this, but using your logic I should say it’s up to women to control that and any out of line action that results from their period mood swings is unacceptable and should be punished. There’s absolutely zero compassion in that, and I would imagine you would say that’s unfair to women. The only way your point actually holds together is if you believe any biological-based influence can and should be ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:44 PM
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You don’t wanna listen do you? I literally said what’s in men’s control is their actions. So no I’m not excusing assault. What I am saying is men do not have control of the initial arousal impulse. You can’t chose to not be attracted to something, you can chose to walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:23 PM
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This is very stupid. It reminds me I once argued with a woman on this sub where she said that a woman can walk around literally naked and if men get aroused by her, it’s their fault, in that it’s men’s fault for responding in a biological way. Uniforms at Hooters are directly designed to be sexually provocative, which is designed to take advantage of biological cues in men’s mind that they do not have control over. What they do have control over is walking into Hooters in the first place, and I …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:17 PM
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I think it’s highly correlated with men’s higher rates of dying for various social causes/morals. There’s a reason why most people who sign up for the military are men and at the same time most terrorists are men. men have a propensity to value morals and their beliefs over surviving/living. I don’t know if it’s because men have lower pain tolerances, but I definitely believe women care much more about surviving than men do. This relates to your question in that for many men getting a woman/a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:51 AM

The meme is that the prettiest girl you’ll ever see is the random cashier in the mall
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 01:24 AM

Then it’s bullshit and you need medical help lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:56 AM
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“If you have money spend it” ass take. If I had the metaphorical money I would
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:50 AM
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This is a dumb take because how do men have decades long careers if they cannot compartmentalize? By your logic, their corporate masks would fail, and all men would be fired unless you somehow believe all men just simply tolerate yelling, fighting, and more at work. As a man I can assure you does not happen. Secondly, it’s dangerous of you to imply that all marriages are simply fake. There are plenty of genuinely happy couples who’ve been together for more than a few months where the woman doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:45 AM
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The situation is still evolving. Apparently Megan cheated first or at least Klay is saying so. Don’t make claims until it’s fully out
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:14 AM
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lol you don’t know men. How many men have said horrible things in a call of duty lobby yet volunteer at their community center. Dudes can compartmentalize
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:25 AM
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Women who say this automatically assume men just walk around talking like this in real life. If you ever respond to a dude saying “see look, you’re an asshole here that’s why you don’t get dates” note they are likely not an asshole in real life and your theory falls flat
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:03 PM
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I’m looking for my best friend. To me that means equally supporting and calling out bad behavior, but in terms of actual structure an equal partnership. Some sort of shared financial structure, but I think from an emotional standpoint the idea is that you’re choosing your partner first over other aspects and I would do the same. To me in the perfect relationship that is the person you’re choosing to spend the rest of your life with, which means it means more than your family or your friends. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:42 PM
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No, I’m the type to value morals and loyalty over my own happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:12 AM
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Tell that to the people with tattoos of teams on them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:58 PM
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Keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:57 PM
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To me every one of those relationships hit that mark. I would have married each one if they let me at the time
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:55 PM
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Unlike you I’m willing to die for my morals. Would you say someone who’s willing to die for their relation also needs mental help? Btw I’ve been in therapy, this is a hard line for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:50 PM
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I have been in several relationships, and already said above I’ve never broken up with anybody. I’ve been in relationships that cause me to mentally spiral, and I still don’t leave. Pursuing happiness over morals is morally bankrupt
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:21 PM
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I put this on myself too. If my wife wants to beat me up if I truly love her I will stay. There’s leeway for physical danger for sure, but a lot of people say something is abusive when it’s not just to have an excuse to quit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:26 PM
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I do love that person because I was with that person and got to know her intimately. I think she’s a wonderful person and that opinion will never change. For what it’s worth, I have, and they recommended when I’m ready to send a letter to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:24 PM
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If I truly love her, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:23 PM
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I don’t think there’s much of a difference. If you make a bad loan you’re stuck with it, why wouldn’t marriage be any different
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:47 AM
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Yes if you’ve been broken up with. If you did the breaking you don’t actually love them. Why because assuming it was your decision your partner didn’t believe you’d be better separate, thereby you are hijacking their choice to be with you. If they believe you are best together, then that’s what you do. I don’t believe in incompatibility. Different religion? Convert. Different state? Move.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:41 AM
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Exactly. The identity here is loving someone. Being someone’s spouse is the identity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:38 AM
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Sex is part of the expression, but not entirely. I’ve loved the same woman for years with no reciprocation. That is my person and I will die thinking that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:37 AM
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Keep taking credit for work you don’t do. I have no idea what womb envy is, but if you mean I am envious of women’s ability to get all the credit for stuff they don’t do and yet no blame I am envious
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:37 AM
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Doesn’t matter. The action is choosing that person. If you agreed to marry that person you made that choice. Your job is to love that person you chose to, even if it’s not beneficial for you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:35 AM
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Childish is quitting on your commitments that you made. Women just don’t want consequences to their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:31 AM
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Excuses. You are just a quitter. No such thing as loving but leaving the relationship. I’ve never broken up with anybody for that reason
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:51 AM
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lol if you abandon them you don’t love them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:32 AM
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Bullshit. How do you explain millions of people who have had a spouse die and they don’t get remarried because “no one else compares”? How do you explain in nonromantic cases people being sports fans of certain franchises for literal decades, even though they never win anything? There are plenty of instances where people are loyal to things despite those things hurting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:11 AM
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Sure, but the data doesn’t support this. Divorce in third world countries is lower than in western ones. Additionally, poor nations have more children because children die at higher rates. The concept of locking in a man with more money because you will need more time for a potential child goes out the window if you live in a first world country and don’t plan on having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:09 AM
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Nope. Unconditional love exists. Women just don’t want to admit that because it’ll expose they’re not good people
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:04 AM
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This is extremely selfish and a bad view of love. If you truly love someone, you will tolerate them making your life worse. It’s because you love them for existing, which is what unconditional love is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:03 AM
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Do you have a child? If not be quiet. You’re taking credit for work you haven’t done
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:01 AM
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No, I’m saying the opposite. I’m saying you shouldn’t leave your husband if he gets injured at work, just like a man shouldn’t leave his wife if she gets ugly. I’m just saying in a direct competition looks is more innate than your ability to generate income.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:00 AM
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Cry me a river. Firstly I don’t believe you that someone literally told you that your purpose in life was to mate and die, unless you literally lived in a sex obsessed cult, that just doesn’t happen. Maybe in your books, but not in real life. Secondly, it’s not real pain if it comes with privilege by default. Being the center of attention and being objectified comes with the ability to exploit that interest. You get free drinks and dinners, you can get promotions at work, and much more. sure tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:58 AM
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Are you serious? Women do this all the time where they pretend being objectified is the same as being completely forgotten. It’s not two sides of the same coin, entirely different coin. You cannot convince me that being absolutely ignored is somehow just as bad as being the constant center of attention, getting free drinks and dinners, and in general having a massive amount of power and influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:54 AM
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That’s far more innate to the quality of a person than what they provide, though. Provisions can firstly be affected by the outside world much more than attractiveness, in that a man can get laid off or have his career be altered by market changes and women will divorce him. Attractiveness the other hand is entirely within someone’s control, so you can easily argue it’s more innate to the person than their ability to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:51 AM
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Firstly, in a direct competition between only loving someone for looks versus only loving someone for what they can provide, at least looks is entirely based in the person and not on outside factors. The fact that women will divorce or break up with men because they were laid off is absolutely ridiculous, and disgusting. At least if you only care about looks, it’s up to the person to uphold them and it’s in their control at all times. Secondly, women confuse this a lot where they associate what …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:49 AM
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My multi-year abstinence because I’m still in love with my ex proves you wrong sir
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:27 AM
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Multiple reasons: One factor OP is not mentioning is high school is when hormones peak, and there are plenty of people who go on to date others, and later on reflect that it was more of their hormones, making them see something that wasn’t for them. At some point I had several “relationships” if you can call them that as hormones got them into me and then realized I’m a poor fit. For the sake of anonymity, I won’t explain all the details, but I was essentially one of a handful of a certain ethni…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:03 PM
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Yes, and? Your whole point was that it’s basically a universal truth dating gets easier for men as they age. I’m a living example of why that’s not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:19 AM
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Bruh. I just read their shit for you and you have no idea actually with any of this really is. Both of these people are theorists, in that they have no actual statistical studies to back up their claims and are simply connecting events and claiming certain outcomes as determinate when in reality there are escribing meaning to events which may not be the actual truth. Both of these theories are hard-core lesbians themselves, of course they’re going to claim that they are the ones that are secretl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:17 AM
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My experience was the opposite. Way more attention in high school and less but still some in college. Now not a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:09 AM
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Firstly, it’s exactly these dumb psychological terms like love bombing that showcase women are lost. Why is it love bombing if I genuinely want to do nice things for you and you are extremely important to me in short order? It’s almost like women want their guy to treat them poorly at the start because it shows boundaries or something, wouldn’t you want a guy to be into you? Secondly, yes it’s been shown that woman do need more information and often time do not react only on looks. However, mult…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:01 PM
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You were just talking about biases and it’s interesting that your bias here was that if he’s nice to you, he’s a good guy, when someone can easily argue that he’s an asshole to everyone else but you it shows he’s really an asshole and make an exception for you. That would classify him as a jerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:55 PM
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I find the classification for women dubious. It’s almost like they’re meaning to include bisexual women but disqualify bisexual men, because by including bisexual women that would bolster their numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:49 PM
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Well, you’re the one who said you have everything. Everything implies perfect. Secondly, I like how you ignored every other actual social economic consequence of these trends. You only focused on the violence part which yes you should be concerned about. Sorry that men are physically stronger and more violent. You should care to try to prevent more violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:39 PM
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So give me my money back
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:19 PM
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It’s directly related. There’s an economic component to reaching out, you’re the one expected to pay the date. Part of the reason men were paid more in the past was they were expected to have a stay at home wife who they paid for. They also were expected to pay for dates. Now that we don’t have that system, why wouldn’t the equality socially be that men and women split expenses 50-50 as part of that, why wouldn’t it be expected that women also approach men?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:18 PM
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Firstly, you just openly admitted to not caring in which case you’re not actually debating, all you’re doing is stating that your life is perfect. Therefore, you shouldn’t have to care about anything else, which means you aren’t actually enjoying debating. You’re doing what you always do which is respond for the sake of upsetting people Which is a bannable offense. This is not a sub dedicated to debating your life, you didn’t even do the basic thing which is saying that because any individual ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:13 PM
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I don’t, it’s why I’ve not gotten any second dates in 3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:03 PM
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Because that’s the point of this sub. I’ve had at least five interaction with you where you’ve openly admitted that you only come here for entertainment purposes, which is disingenuous and you should be banned for it. We care about these things because that’s the point of this place, to debate dating, and gender dynamics as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 07:00 PM
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Like I said to the other person, any individual could have everything, but I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about all men versus all women and when women like you give a response like this it showcases you don’t care about the whole dynamic and really only care about yourself and your own situation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:48 PM
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Welcome to the daily lives of men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:46 PM
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“Men and women are equal!!” Except when apparently only one gender should approach
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:46 PM
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Any individual could have everything, but I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about all women versus all men, and statistically All women can’t have everything over all men. We’re seeing this with dropping rates of couples getting together. More and more women are being single, which showcases they can’t have everything. As a sidenote, your response just shows a lack of empathy. Also a lack of concern for the fairness of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:44 PM
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Yea, and? Like yall got all the money now why do you get all the money and still get to be taken out? You can’t have everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:18 PM
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Which is why if you look at the actual job to job comparison, the gap is like one percent which can easily account for a job performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:43 PM
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Essentially, what you’re arguing is that anytime someone lists that a woman is not doing well at her job it must be because of sexism and that secretly there’s in every subconscious of men the desire to artificially hold women down. It’s just a conspiracy theory. You’re essentially assuming it all means one thing when it can mean nothing. I work in a traditionally male dominated field and almost all of my bosses have been women. And not like recent graduates like some in their 60s and 70s. You’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:03 PM
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In the past, men earned vastly more and would essentially do what you’re asking, which is pay their partner for childcare. What the issues with the equal world we have today is the gap is essentially zero for the same role between men and women, which means that if in a heterosexual couple they decide they want to have a child and the woman needs to stay home for the birth and recovery process, the man is not earning enough to cover them both. Essentially what you’re asking for is a government s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:57 PM
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Please do some legal research. In most countries it is legal, but it has to be done on legitimate reasons related to job performance. The problem with the woman above claiming her experience was definitely the result of sexism that she’s assuming the only actual difference was her gender, when it could be the guy was better at his job. There’s 1 million factors that come to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:50 PM
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There is no “pay” gap. Theres an earnings gap. Different things
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:45 PM
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Why are you automatically assuming it’s all men‘s fault? In supposedly equal countries in Scandinavia women’s choices have shown that they want to pick safe and comfortable jobs Way more than men do. It could just easily be that women don’t like to get dirty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:42 PM
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I did read it you’re talking out of two sides of your mouth on one hand you say it’s biased but then you say that you see it all the time on Reddit. You gotta pick one lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:17 AM
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Many women on the sub claim that any evidence based around social media is immediately invalid because of algorithms, and that if you’re reviewing it, it could just easily be artificial. I’m not particularly fond of that argument, but this sub has to decide whether or not Reddit, Instagram, YouTube, and other forms of social media that could show you things based on algorithm is indeed actual evidence of a phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:45 AM
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That’s not the question. The question was a mainstream article blaming women. You’re literally searching for random people’s opinions online and are saying is it all men do this or society does this. Please get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:43 AM
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lol this article doesn’t say what you think it does. Firstly, it’s talking about the phenomenon of women being blamed, not that women are blamed or that this particular writer is blaming women. She’s saying other people are blaming them. At best, it’s a secondary source because she’s apparently reviewing what others are saying, which is not an actual mainstream article saying that we should blame women. The article is full of her saying that other people are saying with no concrete evidence. She…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:51 PM
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Where? What article can you provide that does this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:28 PM

You don’t know history well. Men were able to oppress women because they had all the economic power because jobs were more physical labor based and artificial structures like religion were stronger. Men didn’t really have standards, they just pointed the gun of society at women and said do me or else Secondly, you’re arguing against a biological difference. Women are essentially exploiting men’s desire for women and have been doing so for generations. Other forms of this are actually illegal, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:27 PM
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Why do you assume that men’s portrayal in media is 100% accurate? It’s full of the same simplifications as women, if you honestly think you know men because of what you see on TV I can’t help you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:15 PM
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They are on Twitter. “Kill all men” was trending for a while. And when women do that they are channeling a bad experience they’ve had but yet attack all men at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:13 PM
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There’s an appropriate window between those two. I’d say waiting a month or two for a guy you date like 2 years no guy would have a problem with that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:01 PM
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Not really because the things that red pill says women look past women secretly find attractive. Take violence for example. Women will say that they would run away from a guy who is violent, but part of them likes it because it’s somewhat masculine. Therefore it’s not a true trait that women ignore because it’s not universally unattractive. in fact passivity is seen as a more universally unattractive trait for men and women don’t look past that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:09 AM
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Then you don’t actually have good relationships. Your relationships should be about you care about that person equal to if not more than yourself. It sounds like you just love yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:28 AM
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You’re shooting past his point. His point is men can find all the things you’re saying not particularly attractive, but still want to be with them anyway. The reality for most guys is that a woman can do a variety of things that are technically unattractive because he wants a girlfriend he’ll just deal with them. Women who say the opposite are experiencing the reality of extremely high attractive men. Men with a lot of options can walk away, most men do not have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:27 AM
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This is bad because your partner should be a safe space, not a judgment zone if you said the right magic words
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:23 AM
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This is part of the bullshit. Women consistently express themselves in unregulated and dysfunctional ways, and men are expected just deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:22 AM
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I’d argue it’s men who are more likely to never truly be not ready for a relationship. There’s just far more cost associated with entering on a relationship with women. They have their physical safety and sexual health to think about, worries about pregnancy, etc. The initial investment is higher
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 08:12 PM
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Just posted the source. It’s pew research
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:35 PM
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Depends on how you define breadwinner. In those numbers breadwinner means 100% of income. If you include 60% or more, 54% have men as primary earners, with only 16% if women being primary earners https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/#:~:text=work%20is%20ideal.-,The%20earnings%20landscape%20of%20marriages%20today,husband%20was%20the%20sole%20provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:34 PM
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That is the case for gen z age brackets
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 02:32 PM
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Female breadwinners are only 6% of marriages compared to 23% with male breadwinners, and a majority of marriages have men earning more than
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:55 PM
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lol someone read too many smut books. Women are objectified because of their looks, not by their actions. Women vastly overrate their own actions influence on male sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:08 AM
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One reason for this is people define singleness differently. It’s common for women to claim they are in a relationship to protect their ego / feelings. That’s where “situationships” came from, to the guy it’s a hookup to the girl it’s a weird relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:00 AM

My theory here is that no men actually want MTGOW. Compared to 4B that movement was just men being upset about dating and reluctantly quitting. The vast majority of men would rather get a girlfriend simply because men want women way more than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:11 PM
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That’s just the explicit power. And absolutely is financial power because you can easily leverage it for more things. There’s a reason why male sugar babies don’t really exist. There’s also plenty of soft power that women get to utilize. Plenty of times women will get promotions or access to work opportunities because of a senior male being interested in them, and its a genuine sales tactic for women to dress more revealing in order to attract more sales.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:03 PM
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Sexual power gets you financial power. You have free dinner and gifts if you are in demand
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:59 PM
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lol male ego right there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:32 PM
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But not the same amount of opportunity. I literally have talked about this multiple times. Just because some special men have that opportunity doesn’t make it exactly equal. You cannot convince me that the effort to create an AI woman is actually zero, it’s far more effort than being a woman and quickly taking a picture of your titties
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:41 AM
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Firstly, it’s interesting that a trad Women used to have an only fans, you might wanna square that. Secondly, how long did you have the account? How often did you post? Did you market yourself at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:40 AM
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Lol “ maybe you don’t but every single man besides you does” the generalities I’m talking about or objective facts in terms of market dynamics, you don’t know what’s inside people’s heads You may personally have experienced rejection, but my point still stands that you could probably find a man if you lowered your standard enough. Most women who have experienced rejection are shooting for men at or above their league, where men experience rejection from all levels of value
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:39 AM
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Well, my point is you’re not a woman. If you had clearly feminine feet, you could actually run this experiment or I guess you could use AI feminine feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:37 AM
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Yes? That’s literally the point of the post
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:35 AM
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Because firstly, getting a good AI model that isn’t clearly AI cost money, the free version of AI tools won’t do it that well. Secondly there’s a knowledge gap of what specific movements track well with AI and which don’t, typically the best on the market right now are AI tracking tools that replace you with a hot woman, so you still need to do provocative movements, which then the AI replace you in them. So essentially if you can make the cost of learning and using AI basically zero you’re righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:34 AM
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Because getting the right AI is important There still is a sunk cost of getting a subscription to a more advanced AI model that can generate an image without artifacting, but there are a small amount guys who knowingly pay for an AI. So you still have to know how to make the AI tracking do the right thing Report back here to show if you made any money
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:32 AM
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No but it’s free to do so and a bit of marketing can get you a single purchase
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:30 AM
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Oh plenty of guys do this and actually make a good amount of money I ran into a guy on Instagram that apparently did this and now it’s beating his actual job in terms of income. However, I argued against this with a different user, in that it’s still an extra step and knowledge gap that a man has to go through where a woman can just post her real self.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:26 AM
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This isn’t exactly true. A parasocial relationship does make selling easier, but it’s literally a sub five minute activity for you to create an account, post your feet, and see what you rake in. I challenge you to do that right now. There’s plenty of men who really enjoy the concept of paying. Besides, you could easily message them back, or even hire or create an AI bot to do it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:13 AM
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It’s clear you’ve never actually been close to starving then. And I’m not thinking about those women, I’m thinking about the average women I see on the street
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:11 AM
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Of course, in fact, there’s many women who pretended to be trans to tap into this market. However, that market is still smaller than the overall market of men interested in normal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:10 AM
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Dope we agree then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:09 AM
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I’m saying when all the chips are down, women have an option that men don’t. I’m literally talking about the corner case and to me That’s a big definition about whose life is easier. Also you can apply this far earlier than when you’re starving, I would imagine with a little bit of effort you can get a guy to pay for your dinner tonight.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:09 AM
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This is a good point, but I argue The demand dynamics are a bit different. YouTube is entirely about getting people intellectually stimulated in some way, whereas only fans is entirely about people’s sexual desires. It’s a lot easier to post a faceless picture of yourself naked and see what you could fish in which may be worth $100-$300, then is to actually try to intellectually stimulate someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:07 AM
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Firstly, there are plenty of men who purposely pay for unattractive women because that’s what they’re into. There’s entire pornographic sub genres designed around unattractive women. Secondly, this whole concept is around if you’re starving, you have this option and men don’t. Could you honestly tell me that you’d rather starve to death than to be a little bit social and get a man to pay for your meal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:05 AM
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I’m saying I would obviously pick sex work over the military.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:03 AM
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Buddy, are you serious? You know sex work includes like taking a picture of your foot anonymously and posting it online right if you would honestly choose putting yourself in physical danger over that then you’re responding out of male ego and are trying to die via honor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:03 AM
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No, because I’ve experienced several people making legitimate counter arguments to my point. You just aren’t one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:02 AM
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Fuck women for cash are we serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:01 AM
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I’m not talking about an individual. There are plenty of men individually who have fantastic lives, just as there’s plenty of women individually who are fantastic lives. I’m talking about an innate advantage when times get tough, so if that billionaire lost all the money he had and at that point your life would be easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:00 AM
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Because my argument is about all men versus all women, and so for there to be equal opportunity for this tactic, there must be equal ratio of real women and fake women, and we must assume all fake women are in fact men versus a woman making a profile for a different woman. That’s the only way there’s an equal opportunity here, and even then for a man to fake being a woman that’s an extra step compared to being the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:59 AM
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You’re making a reading comprehension mistake that many other women are also making. I never once talked about myself or said I wanted to do it, my whole argument is that the total addressable market for women is higher. The amount of paying customers for men that are either gay men or straight women is lower than the amount of paying customers who are straight men and gay women for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:57 AM
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If the choice was literally starting to death or doing it, I would do it. If my customers or women I’d probably do it pretty quickly ahead of starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:56 AM
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This is a fair point, but I think it’s about the ratio of legal to illegal use cases. While yes strict prostitution is illegal, there’s far more people online as well as normal women who demand that their date pays for them, which count as tools to extract value. The opposite is true of violence, being a bodyguard is legitimate and extremely male dominated Profession, the vast majority of use cases for violence are illegal, so id still argue that romance and sex is a for more usable tool than vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:55 AM
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I think the requirements to be on only fans is lower because there are plenty of men who will pay for purposely unfit or unattractive women because that’s their thing. No construction foreman is hiring a guy out of shape and can’t lift anything because he just likes him unless he’s a family member.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:42 AM
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This is a good counter argument, but I think for this to be true, you would have to argue the amount of real and fake women online is exactly 50-50, which I think is untrue. Also, the fact that men have to fake being women to even be involved is an extra step of effort and technical knowledge which means it’s still easier for women to beat themselves online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:41 AM
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Maybe but I slightly dislike this argument because getting a date from a man is extremely easy, but women are correct in that getting marriage commitment is much harder. So I’m less confident about the value difference between those who could secure a really rich husband, versus other forms of compensation men have an advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:40 AM
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Maybe, but the requirements to be a manual laborer are much higher than to be on only fans. I mentioned it in response to others, but there are plenty of desperate men who will purposely pay for an ugly woman because that’s their thing, people don’t hire physical laborers who are unfit because that’s their thing. Additionally, the cap on earnings for a woman on only fans is vastly higher than a physical labor so I would argue if you average out the entire experience it’s far easier to make a qui…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:38 AM
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Thank you as well for providing a legitimate counter argument. The issue with your tools are that they are illegal, and that you can easily argue The expected value for those tools is negative for most people who employ them because you are more likely to get arrested than to continually get away with robbing or killing people for money . Additionally, we have weapons that make this advantage much smaller for men. There’s nothing illegal about a woman exploiting a mans sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:36 AM
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This is the third reading comprehension problem people are exhibiting. I didn’t just mention only fans, I literally mentioned soft forms of power like getting men to pay for dates. You could easily stop yourself from starving a variety of ways as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:34 AM
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This is why I also mentioned soft forms of sexual power. What do you think has more expected value, the vast majority of women on earth constantly getting more value out of romance $25 dinners at a time, or maybe 1000 men tops on the planet who make 50 million a year via sports. If I were to wager, it’d be on the billions of women making $25 at a time at any given moment, but please prove my math wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:33 AM
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Yes, my post is literally about everything together. You’re acting like I only talked about prostitution. My whole post is about the whole concept of women utilizing their sexual demand for their own gain, which makes your life easier. You can’t just take a single aspect of my post and say it’s overall incorrect because you disagree with a specific aspect Your birth argument is poor because that’s a direct choice. Unless you’re saying that women could have babies for money, the raw concept of ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:31 AM
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OK, that means 70% are women. Not only that most of the top male craters are not solo acts, people follow them for the women they bring on
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:29 AM
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I’ve addressed the counter argument that men have access to the military and other physical labor jobs as backup options that women don’t in that there are actual requirements to be a physical laborer, whereas sex work there’s only a vague requirement to be attractive, but plenty of people pay on purpose for an unattractive woman online because that’s their thing. No one hires a physical laborer who can’t do physical labor because that’s their thing. So the requirements to be on only fans as a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:27 AM
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Sure, but men have all the same problems and are $100-$300 poorer a month compared to you. I know who’d I’d rather be
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:23 AM
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My problem with measuring the easiness of life in some matrix of privilege is that people will define how privilege something is very differently. I think the likelihood of you starting to death being lower than someone else make your life easier because that’s just objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:22 AM
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You apparently didn’t because I also referenced soft forms of sexual power like leading men on to pay for your dates, as well as completely remote sex work, which doesn’t danger you at all You can argue on what actually makes someone life easier, in my view basically having an option that prevents you from starving that someone else doesn’t have make your life easier all else being equal
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:21 AM
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I didn’t dismiss anything. My whole point here is that the total addressable market for women is much higher, and that women have way more potential paying customers. Just because some men could theoretically do this doesn’t negate that fact. It doesn’t dismiss the overall point either. My whole point is generally women have more options for this than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:19 AM
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It doesn’t matter the expected value could be one dollar but because women could utilize one dollar and men can’t that’s my point
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:18 AM
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This is another weird misrepresentation of my post that many women are doing. I’m not blaming women for having that option, it doesn’t matter where the demand comes from. I’m simply saying women having the option makes their lives easier. I’m simply stating that the total addressable market for women in sex work is vastly larger than it is for men. The total amount of paying customers looking for women is much higher than looking for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:17 AM
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Another person who didn’t actually fully read my post. I addressed this argument directly. I say that it doesn’t matter if you personally find it difficult, the fact that this option exists at all where for men it doesn’t by definition makes women’s lives easier. If you are on the brink of death from starvation, you could employ this option whereas men could not in the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:16 AM
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Because say you are starving because you cannot find employment. You could stop being starving by attention for men, either in the form of only fans or in the form of dating a man and utilizing his home and resources. Men can also do this, but the total addressable market for men for this option is vastly lower than it is for women. It makes your life better because you could easily stop starving if you really wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:15 AM
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That’s the difference between median and average. I don’t think median is helpful here because it misrepresents the upper echelon that you could earn. As I mentioned above plenty of people have accounts that do almost no promotion, which is heavier weighted by the median versus an average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:12 AM
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This is actually the very first legitimate counter argument that I’ve read here so far because everyone else is misunderstanding and thinking on an individual level. So congrats. You raise an interesting point with men’s back up option is being military or physical labor. You are correct that these backup options are indeed more accessible to men, but I would argue It’s not the same level as only fans or sex work is for women because there are physical requirements to be in the military or to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:11 AM
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This is a weirdly common reading failure among people reading. I’m not talking about any individual, I’m literally talking about the total addressable market for women is much larger than the total addressable market for men. That’s unarguable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:08 AM
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No, it’s not because being an actual influencer is harder than being on only fans, because people want to follow you for your theoretical personality. You can literally post your feet on feet finder and get like 25 bucks right now if you’re a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:07 AM
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You did not read my post. I never said I wanted to do it, and I literally addressed this fact that the total customer base for women is higher than the total customer base for men. My argument is not about any individual, it’s about the total addressable market, which women have way more of here
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:06 AM
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I don’t know why you’re reacting like this. I never said it It’s women’s faults that they can or cannot or if it’s men’s faults. I’m just stating an objective fact that women if they are starving, have a backup option that men don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:05 AM
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/study-men-spend-48-52-211500140.html https://www.supercreator.app/guides/onlyfans-average-income#:~:text=Most%20OnlyFans%20users%20fall%20into%20this%20category%2C,strong%20branding%2C%20cross%2Dplatform%20promotion%2C%20or%20fan%2Dengagement%20strategies. Firstly, your numbers are off. Most users make between 100 and $1000 a month, but this includes users who do no marketing, and do not treat it like an actual profession. There are plenty of people who have only f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:01 AM
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You didn’t actually read my post. I can tell because I address this very concept. I literally said the amount of gay men and straight women willing to pay does not equate the same potential customer base as the amount of straight men and lesbian women willing to pay women. I also never said I want to do it, I’m saying all men versus all women Women have this option more than men do. Even if you only earn one dollar doing this, the fact that men cannot engage in this the same level as women prove…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 11:55 PM
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Because it’s performative as fuck. That wouldn’t actually solve the problem, prevent this from happening, and in fact, maybe be dangerous because it would be deluding ourselves into thinking that level of formative empathy would actually prevent this from happening again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:50 PM
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Men and women’s lives are fundamentally different and in many cases opposite to each other. There’s less difference between races then there is sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:42 PM
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This relates to what I like to call Schrodinger’s conservative. Essentially conservative women live in a super state in men’s minds. Anytime they are rejected by a liberal woman they immediately assume a conservative woman would be better, however what they failed to realize is conservative women perhaps are the ones with the highest standards for men in terms of what they can provide, them being manly, etc. its in fact the liberal women who would accept flaws, them being equal, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:50 AM
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Biological determinism it’s a really dangerous slope to stand on. Essentially all you’re arguing is that women always wanted the best of the best and so if you’re not the best, sorry but not sorry. The problem with that is if you take every single base instinct that we’ve had and treat that is the right way to go then men should actually rape more than they do now, and women should be exchanged as property. My guess is you don’t actually want that, you want women to be in the position of power a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 03:55 PM
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I don’t think I can help you. Every response you’ve given me extremely bizarre in terms of not really being connected to reality. It’s not about reels vs real life or online, I’m referring to childbirth statistics. It’s almost like you live in a mythical place called Reddit land Where having a family and finding a purpose don’t matter but pizza and coffee is all that does
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:10 PM
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Lmaoooo you can’t be serious. I begin to suspect you are like a few of the members I’ve seen here that are actually aromantic or asexual but think they’re normal. Having someone that loves you unconditionally and validate who you are is the definition of helping your existential crisis
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:28 PM

OK, how do you propose we do that if all the guys complaining about it are not having children and therefore cannot educate the new wave to care less about it? You’re only asking the current generation of men to emotionally block themselves in pain for the sake of the next generation. You’re asking dues to sacrifice 30+ years of the remaining lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:01 PM

How do you define checking in? I’m not talking about a quick text. I’m talking about actually being there with you in times of crisis or helping out when needed. I’ve never had a female friend offer a ride or take me to lunch to cheer me up or anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:00 PM
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I could love both those things, but if you honestly think consuming that genuinely staves away existential crisis, then you’re not very intelligent because you don’t see the gravity of your situation, or you have a low sex drive/intimacy drive because the meaning of it is somehow equivalent to pizza for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:59 PM

Look above for my reasons why this is the case, but I don’t think it’s a surprise that after a break up most women feel better and most men feel worse. I can personally test it. The happiest time of my life was when I was in a relationship, and since then life has become much darker.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:44 PM

Glad you asked. Men are socially conditioned to be leaders and providers in the world from a young age. What that means practically is that you mature with the expectation that you will take care of someone or someone will look to you for guidance and purpose. I am a young dude, but even my parents told me that I should pursue a higher earning career field in case I find a wife who wants to stay home. Men in general view helping other people as their source of meaning. The sounds good because pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:43 PM

Whether you like it or not plenty of women are genuinely heterosexual
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:59 PM

If someone told me that I would never find a wife, with absolute certainty, and that the rest of my life would just be living for myself I would kill myself today. No amount of money is worth that kind of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:53 PM

Life without a romantic partner has no meaning for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:48 PM

Because they’re not real friends. I never had a woman “friend” checking in on me or actually care about my situation because women do not like struggle from guys in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:43 PM
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Sure, but my problem is less that it’s about learning other perspectives and more about the perspectives entirely hinged upon hormones and biology instead of lived experience. My whole argument here was that it’s unfair to say only women’s biology can be respected Where as men’s biology is not treated with the same level of difference. These examples are essentially saying that the women are run by their hormones, and it’s up to men to understand them, why can’t the same be true with women and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:33 PM
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Sure thing: What women want (2000). The whole movie is about how Mel Gibson‘s character suddenly wakes up with the ability to hear women’s real thoughts, and the plot of the movie was that it starts off comedic showing how neurotic women are, but slowly he learns to help people and appreciate women for all their quirks. There are specific references to periods and hormones and they are aimed at teaching Mel Gibson to know these things versus judge them. Community (season 2 episode 8) has a plot …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:20 AM
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Responding to him continually is still calling out. It’s still injecting yourself into the situation which seems illogical if you assume he won’t change
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:01 PM
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Not really, in the sense that we all need each other. If you cut half the population either way would suffer. Are you in a rape situation with your bank? Your landlord? Your government? Many of these things have power over you yet you still can make choices to engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:58 PM
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Isn’t that what you were doing with the first guy? You were calling out his belief that his hormones run him, so you are still calling out just not for women it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:57 PM
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Cool, so call out your fellow gals when they blame their period, “girl math / logic”, female intuition, or whatever code word for female hormones. I’ll start the same with my side
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:53 PM
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This is just wild conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:49 PM
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Women overthink this. There is no grand conspiracy to try to get you to date them via insults, dudes just think that’s funny because we are used to insulting each other. Could mean anything from that’s his genuine attempt at bonding to he’s mad at women so he wants to hurt them emotionally. Most guys are not Machiavelli
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:45 PM
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I think that there’s far more leeway and understanding of women’s hormones, we have entire set ups in media where the joke is the man learns the cycles and and understands women better, etc. so whether or not women are or not is irrelevant, society has been forced to let women use it as an excuse, and I think you have to be fair both ways. Either we all are slaves to hormones, or none of us are
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:42 PM
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Are women slaves to their hormones? Should we give no excuses when a woman lashes out in the wrong phase of her period?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:29 PM

I think this is the dumbest post I’ve ever seen here. If someone swaps my kid with a chimp I’m not gonna say “well, at least it’s 98% my kid. Come here new chimp son!”. The 1% difference between humans is all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 10:44 PM

Men’s sexuality should be the template. It’s just an easier sexuality to deal with. Realistically the point of sexuality in terms of a classification is simply because it’s easier to classify from a society perspective and operate that way. Men sexuality is easier to utilize from a census and societal organization standpoint. Are you anywhere remotely attracted to the same gender? Then you are at least in part gay in which case you recorded as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:32 AM
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This is factually incorrect. It’s been proven that dating apps do select certain users based on activity and show profiles that they deem similar levels of in demand to maximize user satisfaction while minimize people getting off the application. For example, dating apps look at how many times your profile gets interest, and shows your profile to someone who gets similar levels of interest, as well has an algorithm determine the likelihood that you two will actually match. no one sees the full c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:30 AM
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This statement implies that your genitalia are not part of you, or that somehow it’s a separate entity from you. You will never not have one, therefore you inherently do have value. Secondly, why do you believe sex is some sort of extraction of value, plenty of women enjoy it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:47 PM
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So a census is not legitimate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:43 PM
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Sure, but this would imply that everyone’s algorithm has no meaning on commonality and that any statistics google gets from them or any Internet platform is fake because there’s nothing unifying about all of our algorithms. I’ve even run AB tests where I start fresh with a cleared browser, not signed into any account, just to see what the stock homepage brings up, and when I use this as evidence many times Women in particular will say TikTok is still reading the data behind the scenes on your co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:42 PM

I mean, there is some sort of assumption that if you’re on this sub, you have complaints about the other gender. No person who’s completely happy with the other side would be here because it just would be a waste of time. That or you just find it so entertaining in which case you’re arguing in bad faith because you don’t have any real complaints. So yeah, a lot of guys are looking at women here and assuming they don’t like their dating lives because if you did, why would you be here?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:34 PM

It’s only settling if she changes the behavior specifically to obtain resources or improve her own life, but secretly still wants what she wants the whole time. If she has a genuine change of heart, I don’t think many men would call it settling or hypocrisy, many people would call it personal growth. For example, if a woman loved bad boys her whole life but then realizes they treat her terribly and says I need someone more stable and stick to that, that’s a positive change. However, if she says …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:29 PM
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Women act like these risks are any way statistically significant on their lives, like it’s somehow a 30% chance they’ll die by getting into a relationship. You do realize that amongst female deaths, the total summation of all potential risk factors is less than 2% of female deaths. And by the way, that’s assuming you’re eligible for all of them, if you’re choosing not to have a kid then pregnancy related death is not even in play for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:39 AM
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It’s actually quite a useful term. It refers to mileage, and just like how on a car some mileage is good because it shows the car is running and healthy, but 500,000 miles is bad because it shows there’s little life left. This is true for both men and women, anyone would like 2 to 3 bodies is not ran through, but someone with like 30 definitely is and life in this analogy is their ability to pair bond and truly think intimacy is special.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:34 AM
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lol you could say the exact same thing about women insulting men’s virginities, heights, etc. They could just not date them but no, they have to make memes mocking height
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:30 AM
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This is bizarre because it implies women have no agency to say no
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 12:29 AM
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There’s so many assumptions about this I don’t even know where to start. It’s clear to you have absolutely no empathy for any young men, so I don’t know what’s the point of even talking to you about this. But I’ll try. Firstly, it’s proven that boys mature slower than girls, particularly their frontal lobes develop slower than girls do. Various studies showcase the various ages of catch-up, but none are earlier than 15 and the latest say early 20s is when they start catching up. Regardless young…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 12:22 AM
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Ok. This just sounds like you’re mad about spilt milk. Teen girls treated me horribly, ostracized me because of my height in my looks, yet I’m not on here attacking the behavior of teenage girls. I’m attacking the behavior of grown women, as well as grown men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:00 PM
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Of course, but you said that women are expecting and desperately hoping for teenage boys to have the same level of maturity as teenage girls, which I think is foolish. This whole thing didn’t start with you saying I don’t like how it is, but I understand how the world works, it started with saying that women are apparently expecting this to not be the case. Which is like saying water shouldn’t be wet. I would say it’s probably more helpful to shift these expectations to grown men. There you can …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:36 PM
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you’d be surprised. As a younger age dude I’ve seen so many fights happen between guys because they deemed something another dude was doing as “not right” and because all of us have grown up with fantasies about protecting the group, a lot of dudes are looking for slights when there are none. Myself included, men are prone to overreaching some sort of statement or action as a threat was slight against the group. Secondly, a lot of dudes view Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes as protectors. They view …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:33 PM
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Sure, but that should be expected from the gender that actually has more testosterone and at a time period where they’re making the most testosterone. Girls also go through puberty and exhibit some awful behavior because of the hormone activity they are experiencing, but I don’t hear men complain that they experienced Poor behavior from teenage girls who are going through puberty, rather let they experience poor behavior from women today. This is sort of like complaining at fish are in water. Te…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:28 PM
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I don’t think I fully explained it then. What I’m saying is plenty of dudes Do a selfish act because they believe it’s doing the right thing. For example, there are plenty of dudes getting into fights with other men or try to insert themselves into a physical fight because they view themselves of some sort of protector, but in reality a lot of these insertions end up escalating the fight And making the whole situation worse. Plenty of men have concepts of honor and fighting for one’s honor, when…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:22 PM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes-way/201312/scientists-identify-why-girls-often-mature-faster-boys Sure, but it’s just a fact that boys do develop slower than girls. The prefrontal cortex develops faster in young girls that it does for young boys, with various studies showcasing different rates of catching up. Some say as early as 15 is when the prefrontal cortex is essentially equal, With other saying into the late teenage years, they are essentially equal. It’s also importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:17 PM
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I’m not saying it should be anything, I’m just saying is we do have this bias and are biologically wired to have this bias. It’s up to you to determine that bias is right or wrong. Secondly, there are far more factors than race in terms of bonding. The most common things people say is that they have your mothers eyes, dad’s nose, etc. Facial symmetry is seen as the primary genetic observation point to determine if someone looks like you. Lastly, you’re telling me I can’t make a determination tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:07 PM
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I think it’s a different observation. You can still have self-centered traits and behaviors, but believe you’re doing so because it’s based on morals or the right way to live. Hell every dictator acted this way. I said women focus more on their own survival, men still do plenty of selfish things in the name of some bigger value that they’re deluding themselves into believing is the right way to live. many times these values overwrite others and is exactly the white knight/hero syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:02 PM
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Sure, technically all of this is everyone’s opinion. I’m just telling you as someone who is a dude and grew up with many people who became Tate fans. I believe I remember you are an older woman, so I am much closer to this than you are. Secondly, you’re assuming a lot of maturity for teenage boys. It’s just human nature to want to be at least appreciated for your efforts. Do you think someone could honestly be a kind and generous person for 30 years and receive nothing in return for it and still…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:59 PM
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I don’t know why you downvoted me, I’m not justifying it. I’m just explaining to you how it works. Secondly, OP literally says school aged boys. Do you think they have a masters in ethics at that point in life? Of course they’re gonna be whiny and entitled, that’s what any school age child is. Notice how you don’t see 30 old dudes being fans of Andrew Tate, You see teenager to early 20s dudes who were expecting being nice to get them a girlfriend. The only thing I would defend is this: many of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:36 PM
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Firstly, you’re arguing against biology. Studies have shown that there’s a direct bias to children who look like you, and it’s a key difference because it biologically reinforces you to protect your child versus children in general. It’s the moment many parents describe where they “fell in love” with their kid as a baby and precisely because it looks like them. We are hardwired to want to spread our genetic material in general. Secondly, if we extrapolate this to anything, you’re gonna be spendi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:27 PM
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I also find women care much more about their survival than men do. There’s plenty of guys I know who will rather not make progress in life because it’s against their morals or the way they want to live, or rather the way they think it should be, where women will kind of just move forward in life and focus on her own Survival above everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:21 PM
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Because the dudes in their lives get treated like shit that’s why. It’s just a typical villain arc, essentially a lot of young boys see that being nice and a good person still gets bad treatment, might as well be evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:18 PM
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Do you honestly think that there’s an even distribution of ages of women who use online dating? Do you think we shouldn’t worry because you’re assuming that if you are say 25 years old that you have a 60% chance of finding a girl off-line? Obviously, more young people use online dating, It’s now the majority among young people the way couples meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 04:15 PM
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Which is my point about how i can’t convince you because these type of guys are in everyday life, which is exactly why a lot of men complain about how they’re viewed. There seems to be a massive disconnect between the guys that women see and the girls that men see, in that both sides continually complain of being misrepresented in someway. So to me, if you don’t see these type of guys at least somewhat regularly it’s either you hang around the wrong type of guys, you don’t get to know the guys a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:39 PM
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Sigh. It’s obvious I won’t convince you because you’ve been personally hurt by a guy and so can’t really think about guys who genuinely like women or want to be with one. All I can do is speak for myself. Here’s a personal story. One of my exes was deep into science in a particular study. Every time she came home to talk about it - what she found, her field research - I was enthralled. I begged to go along with her to her field research to help her, got birthday and Valentine‘s and Christmas gif…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:04 PM
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Below is further explanation of the stats, but when it comes to college educated women 90% of women initiate divorce. Sure there are a case examples like you mentioned, but I’ll be shocked to find that’s more than 5% of the time the man is too lazy to go down to the office, and if we’re going by anecdotes, I’ve known women who have left their man simply because they are bored or want an upgrade. Also, the lesbian divorce rates are much higher than the gay divorce rates, indicating it is a gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:59 PM
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the statistics don’t lineup. Overall 70% of divorces are initiated by women, and 90% when it comes to college educated women. 20 to 25% of men in marriages have had outside sexual activity during their marriage at least once, compared to 10% of women in marriages. If cheating and divorce are directly correlated, you should then see a 15% swing in overall divorce initiation towards women, but you see more than that. https://www.whitleylawfirmpc.com/3-reasons-why-women-initiate-divorce-more-often-…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:56 PM

It does kind of negate your point though, because you’re saying the increase is due to men cheating more, and I’m saying men are not cheating enough to warrant the entirety of that increase. Also, if the woman initiates divorce after she cheats, she still ending things because the man may want to work through that, She’s taking away his agency. That shouldn’t count towards the marriage is actually over on his part he just is not filing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:55 PM
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Sure, but I don’t think that gives an excuse for women to be alarmist about it. Hikers are warned about bear encounters but bear encounters also extremely low in frequency. We’re warned about sharks, but people still go swimming. Yes the consequences of those events are very high, so of course you would want to warn somebody, but anyone taking those type of things and saying don’t go hiking or don’t go swimming are being alarmist, as is the case with women who say don’t date men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:51 PM
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What are you on about? It seems you don’t really know much about the actual situation. Most of Russia’s generals disagree with Putin, but later reversed course in order to keep their positions and safety. Initially, this all started in 2014 when Russia rigged an election in part of Ukraine to make it say they wanted to be part of Russia, and Russia invaded that part to “protect” the region, via rebel groups they paid for. The most recent invasion was also a land grab by Putin because he claimed …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:48 PM
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You are being an alarmist because you are using these statistics to say women should avoid men and be around groups of women instead. in my hypothetical, you could use the same exact title and statistic to imply the same, but you’d be laughed out the room because you’d be telling women to stick together because two women in the world got killed. In reality it’s in the low thousands amongst hundreds of millions of women in the United States, so yes you are being alarmist, and your logic can easil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:43 PM

Why do you make this thread when you have a boyfriend? If you’re insecure about him specifically leaving you then you should talk to him about it, because his specific preferences and actions are not the same as every single man’s. If you believe he is the same as every single man, then I suggest therapy instead of a Reddit thread, because essentially you’re generalizing him as no better than his gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:27 PM

you bring up some interesting points. Firstly, it definitely does depend on where you live, more conservative areas will have guys more in the marriage pipeline compared to other places. Secondly, I think some of the difference you’re seeing looks like deception on the men’s end, but it is simply a difference in how dating works for men. Because men have to do the pursuing, if forces you into a state of action where you must continually pursue until you know whether you want to commit or not. Fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:23 PM

Sure, but the statistics don’t lineup. Overall 70% of divorces are initiated by women, and 90% when it comes to college educated women. 20 to 25% of men in marriages have had outside sexual activity during their marriage at least once, compared to 10% of women in marriages. If cheating and divorce are directly correlated, you should then see a 15% swing in overall divorce initiation towards women, but you see more than that. https://www.whitleylawfirmpc.com/3-reasons-why-women-initiate-divorce-m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:09 PM

Where are men at large doing this? In fact I see the opposite where everyone thinks we should hang politicians for being in the Epstein files
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:04 PM

Because the statistics don’t lineup. From my memory 70% of divorces are initiated by women, but it’s not like 70% of women in marriages have been cheated on or abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:01 PM

You’re talking about the men with options and power. Regular dudes like myself wanted to be married as soon as possible lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:58 PM
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*potential side effects of plan B. It’s not a guarantee, and side effect warnings are made for the off chance it can happen. I could easily argue the same thing for erectile dysfunction medication that women by nature don’t have to take, because whether you personally are affected by potential side effects is individual not gender based. Secondly, you’re taking an argument because women didn’t evolve with it we’re somehow stuck with these preferences as if human beings can’t make choices beyond …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:31 AM
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Bro look at Russia versus Ukraine. Ukraine wasn’t fighting Russia, Putin wanted land himself and so made Russia go to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:23 AM
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The problem is when women complain They never get very specific about the type of man that they dated, what traits he specifically had, at the end of the day they just claim all men are like this. We’re not lumping ourselves in, you’re lumping us with them because they’re men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:19 AM
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People are complaining because it’s unnecessarily alarmist and paints men in a bad light. Let’s say for example the numbers were one woman has killed a man and two men have killed a woman. Your title would be accurate, but obviously you wouldn’t be up in arms over two women’s deaths in the entirety of the world. That’s what you’re doing with the statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:11 AM
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This just sounds like you’re picking and choosing what level of danger you feel OK to discriminate with. You can very easily look at statistics and say Black people are more dangerous to be around than white people are, at least in the United States, but apparently that level of danger is not high enough for you to feel OK to discriminate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:06 AM
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Then everyone is hyper worried about statistically insignificant events. If you are a woman, the odds of you dying from a domestic partner related attack are less than one percent. That is to say if you are a woman and die, out of 100 women who have died at any given time, maybe one would have died from some sort of domestic violence incident.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 04:01 AM
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You do realize men could believe different things right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:49 AM
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Firstly, Plan B exists. It’s literally a simple pill. No invasive surgery needed. Unless you’re gonna argue because the man doesn’t have to take the pill that is harder for women at that point you’re splitting hairs simply to claim women have it harder when they don’t. Secondly, three out of the four things you claim are harder only apply if you have a kid or want to have a kid. You’re essentially putting consequences of a decision you choose to make applying to all women, when this is not the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:47 AM
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This is the dating issue wrapped up in one quick insult. To men women are the most interesting and important things in life, whereas to women men are the least interesting and least important things in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:42 AM
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But why can you offer suggestions? Why play this game at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:17 PM

Kill all men has trended on Twitter multiple times. Many of these tweets specifically attacked height.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:08 PM

True, but there’s a few holes in that logic. Firstly, if medically cannot lose weight, you would then judge them for not going to a doctor and inquiring about ways to manage that condition. Attraction is not this way, you can just be ugly and it’s not medically significant. If someone said that they have a condition that makes them obese, then they tell me they’ve not been to the doctor about it, I would then judge them for being callous about their health. Secondly, being thinner is almost univ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 05:29 PM
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Literally talking about how men only like young girls so insult them. Come on girl
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:13 PM
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https://www.np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/e1uHI03J4x “Not on the subs I’m in” I’m forever going to use this as an example of selective bias that people here just select what they want to read
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:10 PM
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People say those traits in a bad partner because in a vacuum where nothing positive is added anything negative like that will be exactly as you say, but my point is that there are positive traits that can come with someone with depression. They could be extremely loyal to the relationship because the person who they’re with provide provides them so much joy, they may be more willing to accept criticism and change because they don’t wanna lose that person, they may be appropriately negative and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 10:53 PM
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Let’s change the labels. It’s not racist to identify genuine trends of a different race, but is racist to say that said race is universally bad, or that being in a relationship with them is universally bad. That’s what you’re doing here with both mental health and with age, you’re saying it’s universally bad or the vast majority people think it’s bad, which is ageist and ablest. Why do you even make this thread if you’re not willing to have your mind changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 10:30 PM
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But you’re saying that’s worse objectively when to you it’s worse subjectively. Some may not want that much sex and want someone with a lower libido, some may not want to stay married that long. To you these are cons. That’s my point, it’s agist to say that’s universally bad
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 09:47 PM
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Some insults clearly are better than others, though. My whole point in selecting height or virginity is that height is definitely unchangeable, and thereby an insult is only meant to remind someone of their height, and virginity is the largely out of their control in that other people must select them, so someone could totally be a virgin simply because people don’t like them for a dumb social reason. Calling someone fat is simply saying they lack the willpower to actually lose weight, and is mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:42 PM
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Your whole response here is filled to the brim with random assumptions about men and what they think in the world. Let me break it down. I already put in my post that if someone like Nick Fuentes exists online they are likely not going to feel any insult you throw them because they would likely lack the empathy at that point. You’re assuming that you can affect him or anyone like him by insulting something about his body, When nothing will likely be insulting as all you’re doing is insulting men…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 04:37 PM
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Because it’s the kind thing to do? The reason why it’s bad to leave someone just because you’re bored is because you’re messing with someone else’s life. Just because you’re bored doesn’t mean they’re bored, all you’re doing is basically saying that I don’t care about how I affect you Which is a terrible basis for a relationship. With this tells me as you view relationship entirely selfishly, in that you view them only in what they provide to you, and don’t actually care about what you provide f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:33 AM

You’re here so yes I’m the subs you’re in. You’re just ignoring what other women say and they do judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:25 AM

Bruh there’s a post every week here about how all men are pedophiles and don’t marry them because they find young women hot
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:23 AM
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I definitely disagree with OP. I don’t think it’s a fact, he’s just selecting certain traits when there’s other traits that may be more positive. For example, someone with depression may be extremely loyal to that relationship, especially if that person is the one thing that brings them joy in life. That leads them to be extremely loyal and likely accept request of change because without that person, the life may be meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:14 AM
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Depends on what your complaint is. Any ism essentially saying that the category people you’re talking about are not as good at something as “normal” people are. In your analogy, it would be ageism to say old people fundamentally are worse partners than young people, and cannot do the same things as young people. It would not be ageism to say someone 20 years older than you likely has a different experience of life and may not share the same values. What you’ve done here is argue that people with…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:11 AM
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I feel like either you have to extend this logic to the entirety of mental disorders in that any mental disorder, including autism, bipolar, etc., is an additional consideration, and therefore you shouldn’t date them, or you say it’s not necessarily a red flag in the same way someone who is in a wheelchair is not a red flag it just poses different challenges and life dynamics. It just feels like they’re directly attacking depression specifically for some reason, when I can easily argue, other me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:05 AM
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The problem with this logic is that it boils down relationships to some sort of hierarchy of traits. What happened to actually just loving somebody, even that somebody is negative for your life? This basically just feels like an incredibly selfish view of relationships to where you’re trying to maximize a relationship contribution to your life and not actually trying to get to know a person or to love a person as a whole entity
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:02 AM
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It doesn’t because you’re just saying it, what is it in this example. If you’re saying that you recognize romantic interest and sexual attraction in elementary school, I’m saying that’s BS, if you’re saying that you know some people were treated better than other people in elementary school that’s believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:38 AM
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Firstly, your definition of play I’ve never seen anyone use that way. Literally it’s the prime term for romantic action, so I recognize how you have spoken using your definition, but that definition is extremely uncommon and should not be expected on me to assume that definition. Secondly, you started that comment with even in elementary school, and then after that never followed up with any time change. The only thing I can assume is that entire comment meant elementary school. You’ve not speci…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:06 AM
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No, you brought the word play. You literally said fat girls with zits over their face don’t get any play. You brought up the term, the only explanation is you were really referring to high school at that moment and were not referring to elementary, in which case you need to specify which time period you’re really talking about. In the same comment you said elementary so I assumed that comment was also applying to elementary.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:45 AM
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You’re definitely retroactively looking back as an adult because even if you knew that was the case, your fifth grade brain didn’t put together that boys were sexually attracted to boobs. You didn’t really know what sex was at the time. All you did was notice girls with that trait were popular. Boys didn’t even know why they were drawn to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:36 AM
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It’s we because you specifically said even in elementary school. Third grade is in elementary school, I don’t think my point materially changes if we talk about fifth grade. By fifth grade, you didn’t know what play was either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:26 AM
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Bruh what are you on about we are talking 3rd grade you didn’t know what play was be for real
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 12:08 AM
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Then why are you even bringing this up? You’re being an alarmist for no reason. You’re saying that that a bad relationship to a woman is far more severe than it is to a man, and you’re doing so by saying women have to worry about dying and I’m saying no they really don’t statistically. My whole point is that it’s statistically so uncommon that women don’t really have to worry about it. I think it’s you that’s not understanding. My comment about the car is that if you believe a sub one percent ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:58 PM
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Exist? Survive? I don’t know the same thing women are programmed to. I think what you’ve done is you bought the rhetoric of evolutionary psychologists and strange red pill Bros and assuming every single man thinks this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:54 PM
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I’ve already addressed This is not about acknowledging that fact, but I’m calling BS. You did not know that the girls were more popular because they are objectively more attractive and knew about the world in a relationship sense. You just knew they were more popular, and had a vague understanding that boys like them more, but you didn’t know it was tied to attraction until much later in life. I know this because third graders talk about cooties, they don’t talk about relationships and attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:52 PM
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It’s not about us realizing the truth, it’s about trying to strive for a better world. This is like saying racism exists, and then saying well you can’t stop people from being racist so why even fight it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:50 PM
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Who said that? I don’t agree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:49 PM
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How? That implies that anyone could will themselves into sexual activity. This is not true, unless you mean prostitutes, which if you live in a place where it’s illegal, you’re essentially insulting someone for not engaging in illegal activity
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:42 PM
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It’s definitely that deep. Say you’re attacking someone for their skin color, you’re attacking them for just existing. You’re saying they shouldn’t exist. That would just be plain racism. It just so happens that society doesn’t take heightism as seriously, precisely because there hasn’t been a mass discrimination event against people who are short. However, plenty women go online and say all short men must die, and just because they haven’t act on those comments shouldn’t mean we shouldn’t take …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:41 PM
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How is my language overly dramatic when I’m literally saying the statistic of truth is it less than one percent of women die via domestic violence every year. You literally are talking about the rates at which women use other men’s money compared to the rates that women are beaten to death in another response. According to pew research 23% of marriages have men as the sole Income provider, which is far greater than the less than 1% of women die of domestic violence every year. Obviously not all …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:38 PM
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You didn’t, which is why I said women act like it is because I how dramatic your language is. You talking about being worried about getting beaten or killed, when the actual percentage chance of that happening is astronomically low. Your alarmist language is what makes it look like you actually believe it’s a bigger deal than it really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:31 PM
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It’s easier. Dating dynamics today essentially make it so men have to pursue, the only way that doesn’t occur is when the woman feels that the man is better than her, so she’ll pursue. It’s just easier to accept that to do all that work pursuing. Sexual needs are not romantic needs, and so you can easily be swayed because you feel particularly horny one night, but regret it in the morning. It’s like being hungry, if you’re hungry, you can’t just tell your mind to stop being hungry because eating…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:29 PM
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Do you know how small the actual percentage is of women who die a year by domestic violence? Women act like it’s a 50% chance every time to get into a relationship when in reality it makes up less than 1% of all female deaths in the United States. In reality, it’s much more about the fear and potential, which has nothing to do with the actual guys themselves. It’s all mental. Now, if you’re saying that the rate of maybe offhand verbal abuse, or some physical abuse where the life is not threatene…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:26 PM
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How much being a guy in dating is like having a second job in that your entire worth is determined by your performance. How much you earn, how strong you look emotionally, and essentially your entire worth to a woman is about how productive you can be. This is true from date one, a lot of women expect the man to plan the date, Initiate the conversations, and pay for the date. A lot of women just don’t understand the term partnership, and they treat dates like job interviews where they look for r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:23 PM
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Firstly, different people see different things. It could be that it’s a five minute solution for the guy and not the girl, and it could be another scenario the exact opposite way where there’s is a five minute solution for the girl, but not the guy. You can genuinely not see something extremely simple doesn’t make you a simpleton. secondly, this is not shocking or uncommon behavior. A lot of people like complaining. There’s people who complain about dishes piling up when it would take 10 minutes…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:20 PM
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It’s not about him tho. My point is say you tweet at him his dick is small. He won’t care or won’t see it, and instead you just made someone else see it who may begin to be radicalized by that response
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:04 PM
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Who knows what he’s really insulted by, my broader point was if it’s nothing then you’re just harming other people. At least with a nazi insult it’s targeted You’re not changing him by calling his dick small. All you’re doing is making yourself feel better by insulting other people
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:00 PM
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This is wild. I have the 100% opposite experience. Theres not point arguing as we have opposite experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:59 PM
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Firstly, you can attack him for not knowing by just saying he’s unintelligent or unwilling to learn about it. You’re forcing the virgin insult because you think it’s a genuinely insulting quality. Why can’t you just go straight to him being ignorant as the insult, it feels like a cheap half step to say virgin and hope people know you’re not attacking the concept of virginity itself. It be like someone saying someone is ugly then asking surprised when people don’t think your attacking the effort …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:58 PM
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I laid out three reasons why this is dumb. I showed why 1. If he’s online he’s likely more resilient anyway or less sensitive, and two lacks empathy to even understand the insults. You insulting him via height isn’t really reaching him, it’s reaching random people who may become them because of the comment. You said it yourself if men in general are insecure why attack that bit? Why not his ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:52 PM
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The difference is some of those insults are directly related to character, which is what you are attacking. Slut is an attack on promiscuity, which is an attack on character, weight could be associated with character or not, and that one goes for men as well. Motive how my initial set of insults I picked all attributes that are genetic, not behavior based. You’re absolutely free to attack men for being a player, degenerate, whatever character insult you want. Secondly, I typically don’t see men …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:34 AM
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Of course it does, my whole point was that say only 5% of men truly want to be men, there’s way more than 5% of jobs only men can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:50 PM
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Because you like having it? Are all women asexual or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:49 PM
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This response implies that people become garbage men because they like how unbearable it is, and I can assure you that’s not the case. There are some very niche industries that may be like this, but the vast majority of jobs are not taken because they suck. Even for like a Navy seal someone may join because it’s a challenge, but they don’t stay in that job because it’s hard. Applying this to the man label, firstly men have higher physical strength than women, and thereby there’s a lot of physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:13 PM
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I don’t think it’s the gender thing I think it’s more of a tone issue. If a man hears it from a woman, he likely is getting directly rejected by that woman, where is that man says it is usually just generic helpful advice. I think with the right tone, the advice can come off the same regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:02 PM
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Firstly what the hell is a AGAB. Secondly there’s no analogy, what is it with you in analogies. I didn’t even compare anything. I’m just following your own logic Thirdly to actually address your point that I think you’re making there is some degree of realization that adults must make. There’s a large gray area between complaining and actually quitting, and people must figure that out on their own. They are people who take jobs they actually don’t like because they believe is good for society, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:49 AM
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Whatever dude. Live that emotionally stunted life all ya like, just don’t ever think the grass is greener on anything else you must immediately vacate your current thing according to your logic. And don’t tell other men they’re not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:45 AM
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But you as a woman get to do that because you’re a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:41 AM
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Then society would collapse because there’s a lot of jobs no one would take. There’s plenty of jobs People say they hate completely except for the high pay they get, should those jobs does not exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:37 AM
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Family guy did a whole episode on this nonsense. If you think this way, you will eventually remove every single thing in your life because you were thinking in black and white, which is exactly what Lois does. If people follow your thinking they would not be any gender because they’ll find something they don’t like about it. In fact, I think you’re being disingenuous by saying you 100% love masculinity and have never felt anything negative about it, Because either you’re lying to everyone here o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:36 AM
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And you define being a man is not being cared about, and that if you wanted to be cared about, you’re not really a man because that’s not real masculinity. You’ve essentially created a worldview where If they don’t agree with your version of masculinity they de facto believe it’s a prison and thereby should transition.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:28 AM
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I’m not making an analogy, I’m pointing out the flaw in your own logic that it’s not a philosophy if it can’t be applied to job seekers and men. For someone who thinks they’re so smart, your definition of masculinity is hilariously rigid in that you’re thinking I’m saying that we should do away with masculinity. For some odd reason you think men wanting to be cared about is not masculinity, in which case I’m very sad for you because you’re trying to be some stoic warrior thinking that’s healthy …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:26 AM
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OP never got to that point, he just is saying flatly that if you want to be cared about or feel that the care for you as a man is inadequate in any way, you’re not a real man and should actually transition to be a woman. If you subscribe to his logic, if your man ever complained to you because he wanted to vent about something, but knew it wasn’t solvable, for example, complaining about a job, he’s not really a man and you should break up with him because he’s secretly a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:21 AM
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You’re reframing that post here to make yourself sound consistent when you’re not. I read that thing Word for Word, you literally say men who aren’t masculine are still men, and here you’re saying if you’re not masculine, you should transition. Those are two opposite ideas. You can try to seem consistent in your mind all you want, but you’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:19 AM
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It’s funny how you say it’s clearly the job market, which is externalizing the issue yet with men it’s internalizing the issue saying it’s your fault for not finding masculinity as it is free. Why isn’t it People‘s fault for not learning to accept and find the jobs they have free? All I see here is you’re picking and choosing and you don’t actually have a philosophy, and you’re actually advocating for a worse quality of life for men. I’m not sure why you have empathy for job seekers who are stuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:18 AM
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But do you see how that’s a different arguing point from what you’re saying here? You’re saying that traditional masculinity should not be deconstructed, there you’re saying it should be deconstructed, but you’re complaining that feminists don’t do the same with their roles. Which is it, do you want the roles to stay or do you want the roles to change?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:08 AM
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Well, women have already spoken, I’m not sure why you’re assuming it’s an open debate when women have argued that being able to work should be allowed to be feminine, you yourself even agree with that. It’s intellectually dishonest for you to say women can debate, but men cannot debate. Secondly, I’m also not sure why you had nuance with a job but not gender roles. Why is it that you say in this case men who want to be cared about are not really men, when you allow people to complain about their…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 04:05 AM
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What’s bizarre Is he as a post 180 days ago saying that men who don’t fit traditional masculinity are completely fine, so 180 days ago he felt that men can still be men but not be traditionally masculine. Either super radicalized over 180 days or like the rest of his history This is all just pseudo intellectual nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:53 AM
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So, in this case it rules for me, but not for thee, you’re acting like women are an entirely different alien species. They’re human beings, your philosophy should apply to both sides of the aisle and still work. You can’t say women are allowed to challenge what it means to be a woman, but men are not, Because that would imply we somehow got masculine roles perfect from day one yet we never got women’s roles right and they’re allowed to fight that. Why is it that you think that because you feel c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:48 AM
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That’s not what he’s arguing, he’s saying that men who want to be cared about, i.e. be you in the situation and be allowed to yap to you about his problems, are not real men. What do you think about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:35 AM
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OK, so you’re just arbitrary defining what you think is feminine or masculine, there’s no use in arguing with you. You’re just using your own personal definitions and saying if you don’t agree with it, you’re not a man or a woman. For vast periods of history, having a job was not seen as feminine, it’s only recent memory that the girl boss was even allowed to happen, if you kept consistent with your ideology, the girl boss is women not being feminine based on what we’ve all agreed was the gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:32 AM
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Which brings up my first response in that it’s not practical because you can’t unsubscribe from gender roles. if you look like a man, you’ll be treated like a man, same with women. You’re not just free to pick and choose what society treat you as every day. I also find a peculiar you’re advocating that basic human kindness and treatment should not be seen as masculine, you’re essentially gendering basic human interaction. So should women who want a career simply say well I can’t be a woman becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:25 AM
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Why do you agree with OP? Why do you want men to not want to care about being cared about?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:21 AM
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But why is your definition or interpretation of that fact immediately assumed to be the correct and natural form of masculinity? Essentially, you’re saying that society doesn’t care about men, therefore, if you care about that in that you think that’s bad, you’re not really a man because a real man would find it freeing. Its literally a no true Scotsman logic fallacy, and It’s a thinking pattern that immediately dissolved down to the lowest common denominator for both genders, in that by your lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:17 AM
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The cost of the risk has gone up substantially. For a young person, the economy is in shambles and things are more expensive than ever, so the cost of getting fired is way higher for someone who’s just starting their career compared to someone who is probably saved over their whole career and so could afford to lose a job or two and not get crushed. Secondly, with social media, the cost of going viral for a failed attempt is not just you would lose the current job, but you may become unhireable.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:10 AM
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What are you even arguing here, this all just sounds like pseudo intellectual nonsense. First, you can’t just turn off your gender, your gender is how people see you in the world and deeply affects how society treats you. The only way to change that is to transition in someway, which, in other comments you say you’re against but that’s the only way to have society as a whole See you differently/as a different gender. Secondly, you’re assuming your own definition of masculine is objectively corre…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:04 AM
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There’s a difference between “you’re ugly” and “you’re ugly, it’s your hair / style / skin / face”. Second is direct and helpful, first is not
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:00 PM
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/provide-for It’s just giving something one something they need. So yes, and all the scenarios someone is giving someone else something they need, including the teenager. That’s why I don’t agree with just you’re being provided for or not, you can be provided for partly, fully, not at all, etc. Even if we take your definition, 23% of men completely provide for their wife, compared to 6%. That’s almost 4x.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:07 PM
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So quit speaking for all women. You are extreme statistical minority, quit acting like your opinion represents most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:14 AM
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So you’re lesbian
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:27 PM

A baby is 50% genetics on both sides. It literally by law is 50% say each way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:05 AM

Not when that right is killing another person. I have the rights to my hands. If I use those hands to beat up somebody until they die, I can’t just say it was my right to use my hands however I wanted to use them. The second they affect somebody else is no longer my right to do that, and many people believe it’s the same with abortion. You can disagree about the exact timing of when a fetus becomes a person with rights, but if someone is an absolutionist and believed essentially the second a bab…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:03 AM
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Firstly, no , because men and women don’t have the same parts. It’s far easier for a woman to be penetrated because the vagina is meant to be penetrated than a man is to be penetrate. Secondly, your first question was a second base versus a home run, which is obviously stupid. If I would’ve flipped the genders, it’d be would you rather give a hand job to a guy or get penetrated by a strap on, which you never even answered. If you answer strap on from a woman you’re either lesbian or a hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:29 AM
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This is a false equivalence because one act is far easier than the other. Also women don’t naturally have penises so it’s like if I asked you would you want to give a handjob or have a woman penetrate you with a strap. The fair comparison would be would you want to penetrate an old man or old woman, and that’s definetly an old woman for me. Also even in your example, it’s still penetrated by woman lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 03:21 AM
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Maybe you didn’t as a kid but plenty of teenagers Do contribute to the household either via chores or via part-time jobs. In fact, I would say a majority of kids have to do chores which if that is unpaid labor, your definition wouldn’t make it so basically no child is actually provided for, Which is untrue All I’m seeing here is you’re just redefining things to fit your world view, when if you look up the definition in the Webster dictionary all it says is the act of giving something to somebody…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 09:04 PM
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This is a dumb definition of providing because by that thinking a teenager with a part-time job doesn’t get provided for. Women also love to talk about unpaid labor, so does a child who does chores around the house also not get provided for?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:23 PM
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You could argue with definitions all you want, but if you are attracted to the same sex in any way, that means at minimum, you are bisexual. I understand that women don’t fit this category because there’s plenty of relationships where there’s a masculine partner in a lesbian relationship, that still doesn’t make the masculine one an actual man. It is a lesbian relationship. If you prefer vagina over penis in any sense that makes you bi
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:22 PM
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So? You’re not straight then. Just because some people were upset about your lack of commitment towards dating Women doesn’t make you not lesbian. If you’re attracted to the same sex in anyway at minimum, youre bisexual. You could choose not to act on that, but it doesn’t change your actual orientation. In fact by stating that you’re straight, you’re misleading other people by giving your opinion which is secretly from a bisexual woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:19 PM
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The first chart shows that 55% of men in marriages are either the primary or sole breadwinner. They define primary breadwinner as earning 60% or more of the household income. Yes women definitely contribute financially, but the article shows that mostly men’s rules are financial and women’s roles or household, but they’re not astronomically different in terms of contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:17 PM
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Right and your statement that men don’t take care of their families is untrue as a majority of marriages have men as the primary earner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:59 PM
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So most women are lesbian, which does not agree with statistics on sexual orientation. Either women as a whole define lesbian differently or have space for same sex attraction but still call themselves straight, or don’t want to admit to it. I’d say be with a woman if you can consistently be more sexually aroused around them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:49 PM
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Then you lean more lesbian. If you need special circumstances to want penis but don’t need that for women I’d say that’s pretty lesbian to me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:46 PM
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Then most women are bisexual. Wild
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:44 PM
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And do about the same housework. It’s exactly my point. Men and women share duties pretty much equally. Also 23% of marriages have men as a sole provider, compared to single digit for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:42 PM
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Girl you’ve been here since 2018 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:40 AM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ You’re creating a strawman situation where a guy is literally absolutely useless when statistically this is proven incorrect. Sure if your man is completely useless then no, you shouldn’t date him, but statistics don’t show that. Actual differences of hours of work are pretty even, men on average work more paid work hours and women on average do more housework, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:39 AM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:36 AM

You’re not actually understanding the connection. The problem is you’re saying men are criminals because men commit crime, not some men commit crime. Thereby you’re making the logic chain of men are criminals, we should treat criminals badly, therefore we should treat men badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:32 AM

Then do that with all people. Black people in particular. If you have the opposite idea there then you are hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:23 AM

But lower class black folk have higher rates than lower class white folk. Explain that one
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:20 AM
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So do men have authority over women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:13 AM
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Why is your definition of sex work immediately full-blown prostitution? A much more realistic thing these days is something like only fans where a girl can simply just post her feet on the Internet and get paid some light money where a man can’t. You don’t even need security for that, so your theoretical budget goes out the window because literally you could come home from work, kick off your shoes, take a pic, and someone will pay for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:03 AM
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See this just breaks my brain because that would imply an unattractive man to you is just as disgusting as a woman to you, which would imply you’re bisexual. If a gun was pointed to my head and someone said you must have sex with an individual, I’d much rather have it be a woman of any kind than a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:01 AM
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I mean, I did just catch you fishing. Youre blatantly not using this as a genuine question, and thereby violating the rules of the sub. You’re essentially wasting everyone’s time with a fake question and are trying to appear neutral by asking it to every dude on the sub when in reality, you just wanna ask them men who you deem hypocritical. Just admit that someone are hypocritical and some men aren’t. But you don’t wanna seem to admit that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:33 PM
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There’s plenty to ask, like how did you ensure it was the same, why do you feel like it should be the same, etc. for some reason you’re only focusing on one side of an argument and I think it’s because you want to catch people in hypocrisy instead of genuinely explore the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:18 PM
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Who said I was redpill? What are you even arguing anymore that there is too much variety in people to say men or women have any common traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:17 PM

How? You didn’t respond to anything I said, you’re just saying it’s a character when you ask what are the positive qualities Those are all positive qualities I’ve seen for women in my life, and I’ve noticed that these qualities go away when they’re not in favorably. You’re literally using a no true Scottsman argument that observations can’t be real because you don’t agree with them. By the way, I could do the same thing with men. Men are virtuous, protective, productive, goal focused, communicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:20 AM
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A few reasons: If they specifically like it or asked for it, then it’s your duty as a partner to make them satisfied, and the same goes the other way around. We do things we don’t like every single day, like go to work, eat healthy, etc. Just because something is unpleasurable doesn’t mean it’s something we can just stop doing. You have a duty to give your 100% best to every partner you’re with. If you’ve done something that you don’t like for a partner in the past, but not your current partner,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:13 AM
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Why are you only replying to those who say no? What are you fishing for?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:07 AM
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If you just never enjoyed it then yes you should keep doing it because it’s the right thing to do. If it’s literally killing you then obviously no
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 04:06 AM

Positive qualities: a genuine care and emotional intelligence for those in their inner circle, and are more emotionally connected where many men are not. Superior people skills, including conflict management to men where women thrive in diffusing situations. overall higher pain tolerance, both physical and mental and higher rates of stability in employment. Diversity in skill output as study show women are more likely to be better at multiple things versus specialization, which is typically male…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:54 AM

Genuine debate and discourse, with the goal of convincing a woman on here about the male struggle. Even if I convince one woman on here of one fact, I would say I’ve done my job.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:46 AM

There was a thread of little bit back proving that these statistics are extremely biased because the male version is also relatively similar, and as a percent chance, a death for a woman in the form of male partner violence is actually extremely low.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:45 AM

Yes, and men will say all of that and still say they want a woman in their life. It’s because y’all bring other positive qualities, but men are still acknowledging all these negatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 03:42 AM
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So the 23% of marriages where men are the sole income earner compared to 6% the other way doesn’t matter to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:37 PM
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Look I don’t think we will ever agree. You’re in another response redefining providing despite me showing you stats that men are the primary breadwinners. You just want to be paid for, please be honest and admit that. Also no one is forcing women to have kids. Idk what handmaids tale you’re reading but children born out of rape are a very minuscule percentage of all kids. Also you shouldn’t get lifelong pampering for 9 months of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:15 PM
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/providing It has nothing to do with an amount given. You’re adding your own spin in an arbitrary amount that you define as real providership in order to not claim that a majority of women are provided for in some way (55%). What’s your amount that you deem providership?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:13 PM
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So you just don’t want to be a woman then lol. No one is forcing you to have a baby, you can already not engage your reproductive system. Women are already not expected to do gendered work lmao. Just see the majority of college graduates are women, what gendered work are women supposedly still expected to do? If you mean give birth sorry lady that’s just biology, and you can chose not to! Just like how men are physically stronger and are expected to take physical labor jobs, but we can chose not…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:32 PM
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People can want whatever but you wouldn’t say all wants are valid and the accountability is them not getting it right? Like a nazi dude who wants a white America is not as valid as somebody who wants Bernie sanders as president lol. It is opposite values if she wants to be provided for yet she wants a high earning career. It’s opposite because she’s taking that job from someone who would need to provide for a woman, as in her worldview men need to be the primary earners. It just says she’s only …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:26 PM
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That’s nonsense. Firstly 23% of men are sole providers compared to 6% of women. Secondly you are supplementing women in the 60% example, and giving extra to her which is providing. If I give 1 more dollar to her that she didn’t have over what she gives me I’m providing for her. Thats the damn Webster definition. By your logic if a teenager has a job he’s not being taken care of lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:23 PM
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Being a slut and getting paid for are not opposite wants. Being high earning yourself and him providing are opposite wants because they’re both economically related. Thats the accountability I’m talking about, because if you wanted equal opportunity for women to work, then men now have equal opportunity not to. I said nothing about values or sexual nature. Idk why you brought that up. It’s like you’re supplementing the double standard on earnings with a supposed con about yourself that he’s payi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:20 PM
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Quitting dating is not fighting the system, in fact it’s throwing a tantrum and quitting hoping men will change themselves. By your logic men can fight the system by quitting too, which hurts women because they’re not providing for them anymore. Fighting the system means protests, getting laws changed, not quitting. Also which is it, women are forced to give birth so men should universally provide or women don’t give birth because they are choosing not to?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:15 PM

Omg you’re not reading the damn article. 6% of wives are sole breadwinners compared to 23% of men. Men and women are equally split on house work and caregiving opportunities and paid work hours. Please learn to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:12 PM
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16% of marriages had women being the primary breadwinner. Yall are not doing the breadwinner job and the caretaking job. Men work 3.1 hours more of paid labor, and women do 2.5 more hours of housework and 1.8 hours of more caregiving. It’s equal. Also childbirth is not a life long job, it’s 9 months plus change. It’s also a voluntary job
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:10 PM
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Lmao you’re just mad you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Wanting something means you accept all that comes with it and stack rank priorities. I want to be rich, which means I must work hard even if I don’t want to. What you’re doing is saying I want to be rich and not to work hard for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:07 PM
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You didn’t read the article. 55% is the percentage of marriages where the man is the primary breadwinner, not that he earns 55% of the income. That means he could be making 300,000 and she can be making 0 and they would fall under 55%. Per their definitions: “A husband primary breadwinner couple refers to a marriage in which the husband earns more than 60% of the couple’s combined earnings, and the wife has earnings. A husband sole breadwinner couple refers to a marriage in which the husband has…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:06 PM
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I would say one of the three: recognize the double standard and change your speech patterns and what you want. If you want your roles to change you have to allow and accommodate others roles as well. You have to be fair and accountability is playing by the rules, so either both change or you stop commenting about men’s requirements to provide You change your preferences to allow a man to earn less than you. You stop caring about a man’s income after all you have just as much ability to do so Fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:02 PM
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You know you can choose not to get pregnant right? Why are you stealing oppression you don’t have?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:58 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/ Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:56 PM
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Nope. In 2022 55% of marriages were men being primary earner, and 29% egalitarian. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 02:56 PM
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OK, and y’all are still the minority of women. OP made this post about a generality about all women and the standard that they supposedly seek, you don’t represent all women in fact represent a very small minority of women. Roughly 20% of women in the United States are women of color, that’s if you essentially take everything that’s non-white. Hispanic women in particular have a low rates of paid employment, and if you’re really saying that all women need to adopt standard of women who represent…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:58 AM
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How does it depend if there’s no children involved the woman is not making any sacrifice, you’re just asking for the woman to be paid simply because she’s a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:18 AM
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Their own adherence to gender roles. It’s always funny that women scream about how gender roles need to be abolished for them, but apparently the role of the male provider must stay in fact the standard is rising. If y’all ask for equality in career, you can be the provider in a relationship as well
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:17 AM
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That’s not what the data says
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:14 AM
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Sure it’s definitely influencing it, but doesn’t mean it’s right. Firstly, you try to steer this conversation into talking about the economy and how the average income doesn’t cover expenses. This is true, but you’re not seeing women in droves attacking the system and telling men who earn the average income that it’s OK let’s fight the system so we can get purchase power back, a lot of women still criticize men as moral failures for not earning more. You would have a leg to stand on there if mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:13 AM
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What are you a clinical psychologist? Do you have the DSM five in front of you? Don’t go around diagnosing random people. You have no idea if they are super successful people and actually have plenty of social interaction, but they just complain about the interaction with the other gender on this Reddit alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 05:37 AM
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I’m not the delusional one who thinks I can somehow out analyze my own mental disability
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 03:17 AM
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Sure, those men who specifically stated they are autistic are autistic, but you are making an overall generalization of this sub. Also, youre exhibiting classic Dunning Kruger here because one you’re assuming that those you talk to about autism make up entirety of the sub, and apparently you’re also now saying that you are a master analyzer of social cues and Neurotypical dating and you apparently analyzed everyone which is literally impossible. You’ve not analyzed over 8 billion people on this …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:40 AM
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I think it matters if it’s an internal lowering or external acceptance of lowering. Internal would be self reflecting about her choices and essentially saying that she needs a guy that’s different from what she typically goes for, and therefore is lowering her standards in order to achieve that change. External acceptance would be that she realized she’s not getting what she wants and so to get something she has to settle for something lower. The first is completely fine and actually is good bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:35 AM
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You’re making large assumptions about the make up of this group, and are assuming that if you’re here you are autistic which I think is completely unfair and is not based in reality. The official definition of this group is to debate pill ideology which is Neurotypical dating, which you are not doing. The only way your post would be fair is if you said if you want to attract autistic women, you have to adapt in certain ways. But you didn’t say that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:27 AM
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You’re misinterpreting what I said about exclusion. I’m not talking about excluding you from the dating group, I’m talking about excluding your opinion on dating especially Neurotypical dating. Objectively you don’t know anything about it, which means you can’t comment on it. That’s what I mean by excluding, Plenty of men would date an autistic woman, but my point here is that unless you’re speaking only to those type of guys, you can’t make this about everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:10 AM
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I don’t think so. My main argument is that many couples say that a potential strain on their relationship is feeling that they’ve alienated their partner from their own family, for example if one side family is racist, but they love and cherish someone of a different race, even if the person who comes from the racist family completely is happy, many feel that they still alienated them from their side of the family. The lie part is just because of societal expectations, not actually reflective of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:08 AM
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I don’t know. You very rarely get instances where a complete hypocrisy is shown right in front of your face. All you can do is go off what they look like, which in this case is not enough to determine what camp certain women belong to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:06 AM
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I think in life is leagues to everything. If you are a collegiate level baseball player, then you can work and improve to become a better collegiate baseball player, but it’s up to the MLB to determine if you are a professional baseball player and if the MLB determines you are not then even if you continue to improve as a collegiate baseball player you’re not gonna make the next league. It’s exactly why you have hometown hero dudes who actually had skills to be professional, but due to their gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 02:04 AM
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Firstly, you lost a bunch of people at autistic female, your perspective is kind of useless. Unless there’s guys here who are specifically going for autistic women, your perspective or advice is inherently tied to your life, which is not very useful if you’re going for a normal woman. Secondly, everyone has the right to quit the game if they think the game is far too broken. In the past, it wasn’t necessarily broken, just difficult, and therefore you could make changes. Now, a lot of men feel th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 01:59 AM
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I don’t think it’s that deep. People claim plenty of things aren’t important or even that we’re morally beyond them yet still insult people with them. For example, people claim as a society we shouldn’t be ableist yet people call people retarded as an insult all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:07 PM
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Assuming we discussed it in the scenario in both parties are mutually agreed, I personally wouldn’t have any problem with it and would be quite honored However, I would require that everyone else believe I proposed to her. Simply because other people would judge incredibly hard, even if I wouldn’t, which would cause undue stress on the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:28 AM
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I think the complaints come from the percentage of stores clearly oriented for women. Like I can handle one or two candle stores but like 8 I’d be like why can’t we stop into a J crew or a GameStop
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:28 PM
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https://yougov.co.uk/health/articles/35836-physical-appearance-and-sexual-attractiveness Most men don’t care about your weight. Plus you may be flirting for fun, those men are flirting seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:26 PM
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Lmaoooo tons of dudes like fat women. So much so certain people are stereotyped to do so. Men are far more attracted to a variety of types compared to women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:28 PM
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You jest but that is true. Same goes for dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:27 PM
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A lot of ‘em wanna hit
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:25 PM
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Why do women want to tag along to men activities but then don’t invite men to their activities? A shopping trip could be fire
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:23 PM
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Because women lie about it. Women claim moral superiority and claims this doesn’t actually happen, that all men have to court like you said
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:17 PM
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It’s your choice to have sex, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:49 AM
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You’re off topic. We were discussing how to define abuse and is the example abusive when you jumped into the original topic which is insecurity which in this case has nothing to do with the behavior demonstrated
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:52 PM
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Fantastic! But as others have said you are an outlier and frankly sound asexual. Don’t comment on relationships if you don’t feel the emotional need to have one like others do
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:48 PM
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Why is your opinion automatically the gold standard? We shouldn’t expand abuse boundaries because it becomes boy who cried wolf. Again he should leave because of the treatment combined with the financial abuse bit, but if they were 50/50 it’s not abuse because he can leave at any time
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:47 PM
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Why is your opinion automatically the gold standard? We shouldn’t expand abuse boundaries because it becomes boy who cried wolf. Again he should leave because of the treatment combined with the financial abuse bit, but if they were 50/50 it’s not abuse because he can leave at any time
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 02:47 PM
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Yea. It’s term of endearment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:59 AM
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When you say that, are you referring to the level of disgust being the same for an ugly guy and having sex with a woman? If so, I don’t think you’re fully straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 12:38 AM
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Who, me? I’ve never said such a thing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 10:35 PM
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Right, it’s the financial bit that’s abusive, but not the actual emotional nagging. That’s my point. Is she acted the exact same way but they are 50-50 partners it wouldn’t be abusive, and he could just leave whenever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:33 PM
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What does that have to do with anything I just said
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:11 PM
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Then everybody’s a child, because I’ve seen grown men and women get overwhelmed by life all the time. Do you think people who cry at a sad movie are children then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:06 PM
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The issue with your example is that it’s not actually abuse. It’s definitely shitty, but often times real abuse has levels of coercion and inability to exit the situation. He’s free to tell her to stop or to even leave the relationship, unless she has other things over him or he can’t leave or complain, then it’s not abuse. It’s just a shitty behavior, but it’s up to him to either tell her to stop or to leave. To make your example actually abusive, there must be some power dynamics that she has …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:05 PM
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I disagree. There are plenty of dudes who are actually average looking, but they may be mentally not all there or have really bad social anxiety, whatever. There’s actually a decent amount of stories online of prostitutes feeling bad for certain clients and semi coaching them to date other women. There’s also plenty of women who do the job because they actually like the physical activity, many porn stars claim that it’s their dream job because they get paid to do something pleasurable. Secondly,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:58 PM
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I think it’s more toxic that women like stoic men. Sure you don’t want someone completely insane, but dating is meant to be emotional and you should be emotionally invested, you shouldn’t be dating someone with a corporate Twitter account level of stoicism
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:55 PM
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I honestly think women’s definition of abuse is far wider and includes things that men don’t think of as abuse. I’ve obviously heard men say to other men you should leave if she’s actually abusing you, but women often times include things like not paying equal shares of rent as financial abuse or getting heated in an argument as emotional abuse, when to men these things aren’t unfortunate but not abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:53 PM
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Sure but that’s a good thing. I’m saying no one should leave people for insecurities
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:51 PM
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I did recently, and liked it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 03:57 PM
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More like I’d rather not know nor picture if my girlfriend sucks a guy off. It’s not like men are making up stuff, women often times give way too much detail when describing exes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:23 AM
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Firstly, it’s said as a preventative measure, I don’t hear other men telling men to leave women after they find out they’re crazy. In fact, some types, namely Latina women, are known to be crazy and that’s a positive trait. Secondly, crazy does not equate to emotional. Crazy means keying your car, making death threats against you and your family, not allowing you to talk to your cousin because your cousin is a girl, and more. Don’t conflate that with normal women’s more fluctuating emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:12 AM
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Not red pill, but I am more that I think attraction is very much negotiable. For me it has been very negotiable. There have been women that I don’t find very attractive, but through repeated conversation and option management I’ve suddenly become very attracted to them in ways I wasn’t before. Almost always the change comes from me wanting their attention/chasing them down for it, For example, if I get their number as a friend, but they’re not responding to my text I find that can increase my at…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:04 AM
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For bi people it is. The difference between this and it not being transphobic to not date trans people is that trans people still have sex characteristics of the gender that you don’t find sexually attractive, and those biological differences are current within the theoretical relationship. For someone who is bisexual, so long as they’re monogamous to you, any gay activity that they have done is in their past, and women are the ones who said you shouldn’t care about the past, and the past doesn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:52 AM
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Men are allowed to be disgusted by things. A lot of guys are just grossed out by the thought of the woman with other men in bed, how is that insecure? Insecurity relates to the self, if it’s entirely about somebody else then it’s completely valid concern. It’s the same thing as if someone had a hard no drugs policy in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:48 AM
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Can men be disgusted by something? Its not insecurity if you’re just physically grossed out by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:45 AM
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The problem with this is that many women, maybe even the majority, say this is fake, and that you are lying in order to be the man the woman wants because naturally most men are not. If you believe this is the right way for men, tell other women it’s OK for men to change their personalities to fit what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:39 AM
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But notice how comments relating to women being emotional are never followed up by calls for you to leave said woman. With men almost every insecurity is followed up by other women saying that the woman should leave the man for having an insecurity, where as men typically tell other men just deal with the woman’s emotional nature
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:36 AM
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This is a very stupid argument because that would imply women who did the same thing are gay, in which many of them are not. You don’t see lines on the block for female or female sex workers. Most sex workers do the job because they also find some amount of pleasure in it, which, in this scenario you’re saying men who may even be disgusted by it should still do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:32 AM
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What I never understood about this argument is that it would imply that women are 100% gay, in that they have no sexual attraction towards men, and therefore any exportation of their bodies for money is done with no sexual gratification at all, which is untrue. You can’t just say give other dudes sexual favors because many men are not gay who would be in the position to do so, unless you’re implying that every sex worker who is a woman is actually gay and dislikes all the clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:31 AM
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You could just choose not to have sex, though, which trumps any and all risk because you’re the one also agreeing to take on that risk. You could live a pregnancy free life all you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:29 AM
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lol what have you accomplished? assuming you’re an average person all you’ve done is essentially condemn your genetics to die because you’re refused to have a child with anybody
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:27 AM
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My comment with the childbirth thing is always that it’s a complete choice. Sure periods are not, but you can choose as a woman to not have children, which means if you choose not to then you don’t get the brownie points for having one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:26 AM
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Not necessarily, it’s just that sex is step one to being in a relationship compared to a friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:23 AM

Look, I know you’re only here for entertainment purposes, which is evidenced by you not even researching this a little bit, you’re basically asking people to spoon feed you the data. But I’ll entertain it. It’s not good for people to have children outside of marriage because studies have shown that it’s typically not as stable of an environment and children tend to have worse outcomes with this methodology. It also affects me because people not having children will cause social systems that we a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:59 PM

Not necessarily a good thing for child rearing, most people don’t have a child unless they are married for legal purposes. This is also only one data source, the graphic I posted is also another one that compares by specific age and not in a cohort manner. It really shows the decline over many generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:53 PM

You do realize how big 7% is in this case right? That’s 7% of the total, but if you look at it via the population reduction of people in those cohorts married, that’s actually a 31% decrease in representation of that cohort. Looking at it as just 7% is incorrect way of viewing the severity of it. https://preview.redd.it/percentage-of-americans-married-by-birth-decade-v0-bprnv161v8vc1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d76140b5ce74aafbc09e69f3db7d38d448a8eaba&app_web_view=ios
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:49 PM

The alarm is social disruption. Sure if you are a 22-year-old man or woman and are happy being by yourself it’s because you have an entire system around you that allows you to be. However, if we get a significant reduction in population, when those 20 year-olds become 50-year-olds and need Social Security they will find that the system has collapsed because none of people are paying into it. Other things that rely on tax revenue will have collapse because less people pay taxes. They’re happy now…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:46 PM

https://www.newsweek.com/why-gen-z-rejecting-traditional-relationships-2032832 https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/turns-out-gen-z-is-much-more-selective-about-dating-than-other-generations/#:~:text=Your%20browser%20does%20not%20support,their%20convictions%20and%20life%20goals. Another commentor posted stats about the coupling rate compared to millennials, and there has been a decrease over time of the same age cohort of people, 18 to 29 years old, getting married less than previous eras. So fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:42 PM

Very interesting data, thank you. To me It looks like the marriage rates have decreased for the same cohort as time has gone on, which is what I mainly comparing to. That would imply that young people are getting married less frequently than the same cohorts of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:39 PM

My point is that you could take the current outcomes of Gen Z and project forward, you can’t take the current outcomes of say millennials and assume Gen Z will grow into them. Doing so you’re ignoring the trend line essentially you’re saying that it’ll be a complete reversal to what is currently going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:39 AM

I probably explained it poorly, I guess what I’m saying is that people are taking marriage stats and applying them to GenZ, or at least assuming that Gen Z will grow into them, im saying that you have to match statistics with their end group. So you can use statistics for marriage if you’re talking about people 30 and older currently, or use statistics on the singleness of GenZ to talk about GenZ, doing anything outside of the present is where people run into trouble. I guess to me making a pred…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:37 AM
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Most of these are legitimate reasons not to get a second date, but I will play devils advocate on a handful of them: Ordering for her. I doubt he actually mentioned he was watching her figure which is obviously not OK, but if he himself also ordered something off the appetizer menu, it could very much be that he is just unable to afford more and so his solution is to have everyone order cheap food at a nicer place. Still not cool, But if that is the case, I wouldn’t call that immediate no second…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:02 AM
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But did he pay for dates or have money to actually take you out? You somewhat answered this question by saying you assumed he was on disability, and I’m assuming you mean you thought he was on paid disability? Either way my point still stands that if he was absolutely broke and genuinely couldn’t work, i.e., he would be a complete dependent, you likely wouldn’t have still went out with him. I will admit there’s a little bit of difference of standards here, I date with the intent to marry, so I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:18 PM
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So you proved my point that once you were actually dating as in a committed relationship, then he told you he couldnt work. My exact point was that if you told the woman on date one that you will never be able to work she wouldn’t pursue you, and seems like that’s the case here. Unless you went into date one or at least the date that you knew he was disabled and assumed he wouldn’t be able to work, you proved me correct
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 02:52 AM
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I would imagine being European is the primary difference here. In the US there is still very strong Judeo-Christian values that operate social dialogue. Even though technically the US is a secular nation, many of us grew up having to say the Pledge of Allegiance, which has the word God in it. Gay marriage wasn’t even legalized federally into the 2000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:25 PM
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lol I didn’t even say I wanted that I just am refuting the original comment that men have all the options. Idk why you’re so obsessed with Tate like comments on agency when it’s just a simple fact it’s harder for men statistically
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:18 PM
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My point is that everyone hide something, no single person is exactly like another person. There’s no Ls to take care, I’m just simply expanding my horizons by getting with someone who’s different from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:17 PM
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That’s where it gets subjective. Obviously yes, but to be honest, I don’t think it’s that high. I think the odds of finding a woman who from the first date is happy to provide for you and pay for all the dates is like 1% chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 12:20 AM
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This is like saying to someone who’s 4 foot 11 that they could be an NFL player they really want, reality just doesn’t work that way
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:11 PM
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Lmao again it’s not an excuse if you genuinely are a victim in the circumstance. For example, as a result of our biology men will always be tasked with physical jobs like the military or firefighter. That doesn’t mean women can’t join, but it’ll always be mostly men. This is just a fact, it’s not about victimhood or an excuse. You do realize I’m a man too, right? I’m just a realist that knows that men want women way more than women want men, and that sets a precedent for how interactions shake o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:11 PM
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My first question is you knew he was disabled when you started the relationship, and if you did know, did you know the extent of it to where you assumed he was not going to work? If the answer is yes, then good for you, but you are a very rare woman, but secondly, if the answer is no, then you’re following the same pattern that I’m saying happens, which is if you told the woman outright that you won’t be able to work That won’t get you a date, and a lot of breadwinner situations for women evolve…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:08 PM
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Bruh there’s no playing into anything if you actually are in this case. In this case men are victims of stupid gender roles and biology. I’m not even complaining that hard, as obviously there’s way worse things above men and women have to deal with on a regular basis, so this isn’t even in my top 20 of issues men face. i’m just disagreeing with the original person that men truly have this option when they don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:04 PM
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This is such a false equivalency Firstly, women have always had The women are wonderful effect. It’s a lot easier to fight for things when your seen as non-threatening, women in science initially were regarded novelties and more for entertainment purposes, which made their efforts a lot easier to start. Secondly, they’re actually providing a real academic input, obviously it doesn’t matter how sexist you are if someone showcases genuine talent that others don’t have you will hire them. This is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:58 PM
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This is like saying no one stopping you from becoming a professional football player and you’re saying that to a guy who is 5 foot four and 100 pounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:49 PM
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They exist unwillingly. I posted a pew research study that showcases women by and large Don’t like stay at home Dad’s or un providing men, a lot of them exist out of economic hardship. Also, if I apparently want this, don’t women themselves say its wrong to lie? If I’m honest, no one would actually want me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:48 PM
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Sure, and a relationship where one party essentially hides all their information about themselves in order to fit in likely has zero conflict, but that doesn’t mean it’s a better relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:37 PM
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Yes, unwillingly. You can’t put up as a man on a dating profile that you’re a passenger prince and you want to be taken care of, you will literally get zero matches. I have been in very high earning spaces, those women want men who are earning even more than them. It’s just part of what women view as sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:31 PM
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Maybe, but I very rarely seen women who promote housewife content actually being married to a public male figure in the red pill space. Almost always their husbands are very hidden and I’ve seen some that Don’t even have a husband at all. To me they seem very separate, But operate in the same economic idea which is being controversial will get them views.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:28 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ Women? The world? Take your pick but women do not want men they have to provide for, because why would they? Why would you sign yourself up to have a dependent when you can be the dependent?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:26 PM
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Men can choose between being the economic provider or being egalitarian, but not being provided for. Women get all three options.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:20 PM
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I agree with everything but the selling part, I’ve never seen one of these women try to sell a course or a cookbook or anything. What would they actually gain?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:18 PM
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Well, it does matter because your argument is that you need to connect with them, and I’m saying on a fundamental level men and women can’t connect. The same goes for women, plenty of women lie about how much they can tolerate men’s hobbies, when they just find a lot of them repulsive. The whole relationship world is built on lies, that’s my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:51 AM
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Sure, but if you did it your way there would be no women to actually connect to left in the market. Plenty of dudes just lie in order to get action in which case you look like a much worse connection by comparison. Being frank women and men just don’t share the same hobbies, most stuff is non-connectable, but men will lie like they’re interested in their stories, their hobbies, etc. and if I’m the one honest guy who doesn’t, I’ll never get anybody. In your case, your identity does really matter …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:45 AM
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I think you’re forgetting that pregnancy is a choice, you’re acting like it’s a mandatory thing. You and other women do the same thing, which is that you assume the life of a woman who actually has gone through pregnancy even if you haven’t, and even if you have it still was your choice. Don’t act like no woman you wants to be mothers, and there’s plenty of women who willingly and want to have multiple children. I was placed into daycare after one and a half years, and then my mom went back to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:16 AM
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I’m sorry I just don’t buy that and I think women have milked The pregnancy angle for eons. With modern day medicine it really is only a nine month endeavor, and I’ve been with enough women who are on the pill to know when they get the right medication periods essentially stop. You can’t convince me that women’s lives are inherently suffering because a lot of the actual suffering is eliminated at this point. Also you can chose to have children, if I want a partner I just sacrifice. I’d much rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:51 AM
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So your version of a compatible relationship is a person that’s most like yourself, which is very self-centered. I think a key part of a relationship is learning differences and growing yourself through them, but it sounds like you prioritize someone who is basically just a male copy of you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:39 PM
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I would say the opposite from a man’s perspective, which is I think it’s very morally bankrupt that you don’t feel self sacrifice as a key cornerstone of relationships. You say it makes you sad that men feel the need to be miserable, but that’s what love is. We all make sacrifices for our family, our friends, and our partners. I’m not saying you have to be miserable from the get-go, but men are taught from a young age that sacrifice is noble, and there are concepts You should put a above your ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:38 PM
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I think it perfectly illustrates the lack of understanding of the realities between men and women. Women would much rather be option Number four for a man with supposedly high standards than be the number one option for a guy who doesn’t, simply because a lot of them don’t live difficult lives. They want excitement because they don’t have genuine fears or dangers and so they seek a challenge. Men’s lives are already challenging, that’s why we select for peace and tranquility. I don’t understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:29 PM
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I don’t know, I think it highly depends on sport. For example, in gymnastics, no man will ever be as flexible as a woman, so there’s no training you can do that would win in that metric. However, in a powerlifting competition, I think you have more merit, but even then I don’t think a 5 foot four dude Could beat a 6 foot four woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:26 PM
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You’re ignoring the original context of his statements. He responded this way because people were saying that Serena could be a top men’s player and that she’s the best tennis player of all time regardless of gender. Serena herself even agreed with his comments, with her herself saying that if she was ranked on the men’s table, she’d be like 500 in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:22 PM

I’m up and down on video games and this period of my life I’m a little bit more down on them as they are truly a time waster. You could say there’s no such thing as wasting time if you’re enjoying yourself, and it’s objectively true, but it’s one of the hobbies truly does not gain you anything else in life. If your hobby is sports, you’re at least getting fit, if your hobby is cars, your least having a mode of transportation, etc. It’s exactly why when they did a survey of the least attractive h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:20 PM
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Is breathing selfish? Technically, yes because it keeps you alive. I don’t think you’d blame anybody for taking up air that other people could be using.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:16 PM
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It is a decision tree for men because for men the game is to get a yes first and then decide if it’s worth continuing, not just connecting. Because if you do focus on connections, you’ll realize no woman wants to connect with you because there’s hundreds of men who will lie in order to connect falsely Also, you shouldn’t speak because you’re a trans woman, you don’t know where it’s like as a straight man
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:15 PM
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Come on dog you know your career and her are not mutually exclusive. Let her go find someone who wants her
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:56 PM

You could have commented on if you agree or disagree with that list, or admitted that that’s a good list. It feels like I proved you wrong with my specific subset of friends, and instead of acknowledging that you were incorrect you just ghosted the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:00 PM
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Parents say the same about their kids when they commit a crime. Also these are friends I have spent significant time with and know well. So what if women are great judges of character why can’t men be?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 07:30 AM
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Sure but she’s a big girl and defend herself. I’ll also suspend by disbelief that you randomly found my comment, read her response, read my response, and now are defending her under this response. Yes, my friends are not pursuing me romantically, but I’ve seen them do that same behavior for female friends all the time and it’d be very strange for them to act this way for their male friends, but suddenly be extremely cold and calculating with a romantic partner. I’ve also seen them with romantic …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:05 AM
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lol why are you trying to fight on her behalf? You don’t even know the context of what she asked. She asked me to list traits about why I think they are good people and why I think they would be a good partner to a woman. I listened seven things, she did never respond to my list
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:40 AM
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It’s interesting how I provided your direct list of how I see my friends are good people and would be good partners two hours ago, yet you on here responding to other people and avoiding my list. It shows you’re being selective and have bias here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:23 AM
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Well, it’s unbelievable because women tend not to act on it. If women were asking out these type of guys more commonly, it would be believable, but right now the trend is women say they like these type of guys, get asked out by a typical bad boy, and say yes to the bad boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:21 AM
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Good people: Are available and respond in times of need to their friends, such as being available to be a ride, walking someone’s dog on short notice, etc. Plan events with others mind such as planning an event where everyone will have a good time versus only for themselves. Looking out for other people in the sense of introducing them to potential romantic interests, asking them if they are feeling OK, especially after heavy drinking and responding well in crisis such as if someone it’s injured…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:36 AM

This logic is stupid because men don’t see other men’s profiles unless you mark that you’re interested in other men. Sure you could look up what other men post, but typically you’re pretty blind to what other men put down. As a result, you’re just guessing what women find attractive, which obviously won’t be that effective because you’re not a woman. Exactly why the dreaded fish picture exists, but also why the classic woman holding a glass of wine picture exist. Both sides think romantic intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:25 AM
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Because we see our friends and know they are fundamentally good people, which means that there are good men. Also, men are interpreting that question as where are the good men in terms of values and personality, which does not have the added layer of attractiveness. So to men there are plenty of good dudes out there who are actually solid people, but to women there’s not because a lot of these men are not attractive. It’s the classic women don’t see unattractive men as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:11 AM
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It absolutely did become de facto truth IN GERMANY. The world war was to stop it from spreading, and if the Nazis won, it would’ve become the de facto truth for the world . That’s my point. Right now many of these talking points are becoming the factor of truth for the use in Western countries. I’m not talking about passport bros, I’m talking about the very specific movements of 4B and MGTOW. Your statement about passport bros shows you don’t understand this movement actually are. I think you’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:42 PM

They already are, 89% of men between 18 and 24 are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:39 PM

This is true and definitely part of the equation, which is why I think the only reason these men are not considered is because the standards for looks have increased so dramatically. 15 years ago these men would have been considered and would’ve even out the standards. Another poster brought up an interesting point, which is that if you know you’re unattractive you may spitefully increase your standards because you believe that if no one would date you anyway, why not shoot from the moon. That a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:33 PM

So Nazism was never believed in even though an entire country believed in it? My point is even if something is objectively wrong if enough people believe it it becomes the de facto truth. It’s exactly how Nazism became the state philosophy for Germany for a time. There clearly is a gender war, all you have to do is go on social media and see how men and women talk to each other. Polls showcase men are getting more and more religious and conservative, and women the opposite, movements like 4B and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:31 PM

I’m on the sub to genuinely debate and see if we can fix some of the dating issues and the gender war. I’m doing this on this platform because I’m hoping there are other young adults like me who will view some of the topics here and look to improve their behavior. You also misunderstood what I meant by a source of truth. It’s a source of truth that other people are watching, as in the truth is that other people are interested in what this podcast says. Not that the podcasts are correct in the ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:21 PM

“The standard is to be attractive”. That’s not saying it’s a standard, a versus the is important here, because the illustrates that it’s universal, where is an illustrates that it may be for some, but not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:00 PM

Well, I definitely know who you are, I know you’re already married, and are on the sub just for entertainment purposes, so I don’t think arguing with you more is going to actually bring me anything nor actually advance the discourse I used it because it’s a source of truth, not the source of truth. You could still gain valuable information from a podcast, especially if it’s a highly viewed one, mainly this is what a lot of people are watching.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:59 PM

I also agree that’s completely fair, but in reality that’s not actually what happens. Take this sub for example, there’s plenty of married women who’ve already made their long-term choice, yet still get on here and complain about what men should or should not have, thereby adding to the standard discourse. Plenty of these people, including men in the MGTOW places, still make their voice heard about what the other side should have, and therefore influences those who actually do want to date. Anot…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:57 PM

You definitely know what you mean more, but I know what you actually wrote more. You directly said being hot is the standard. That’s a direct quote. If you don’t believe that represents your point then you need to write it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:53 PM

I’m more and more hesitant to make statements about what happens in the long term because we’re seeing real time statistics change based on the current environment. Marriage rates and childbirth is is at an all time low, and it takes 25 years for a baby to get old enough to really count towards the statistics and be eligible to be married or have a kid. We can’t say exactly what will or will not hold 25 years from now, because these last five years of statistics have come as a complete shock to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:52 PM

I like how you say women keep explaining a specific definition and then go onto not state your definition. Please state your definition if it’s so apparently ubiquitous. Secondly, you have no idea how old I am. I’m late 20s. Thirdly, why is it on men to have to unilaterally accept what women want, and not the other way around? Why can’t it be 50-50?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:48 PM

No, you didn’t, your answer directly says that attractiveness physically is part of people standards, and I’m saying it’s not. We’re arguing opposite things, so there’s no way your conclusion could’ve come with that mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:46 PM

I’m not saying a podcast is the single source of truth, I’ve heard friends complained in person about this very thing. I’ve also argued with you on this topic before that apparently the Internet is not a valid source to gleam dating information because it’s all algorithm based and none of it’s real, and my argument to you then was that as time goes on and the Internet replaces more and more in person things, the Internet becomes the real place
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:45 PM

I agree the tendency is to blame other people because it’s very hard to accept You’re just not attractive but I disagree that it’s hot people that they’re talking about. There’s so many TikTok videos, podcasts, and more that show an objectively average person, demanding extreme standards. I think people complain because they feel they can’t even get average people anymore, which means one of two issues: The average people in these videos are actually attractive, and our standards have ballooned …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:44 PM

I don’t know. To me I’ve seen more instances of body dysmorphia, and people feeling bad about their looks than the reverse. Maybe because I interact mostly with men who constantly shit on their own looks or their friends looks, but to me if you feel delusionally bad about your looks, that’s why you would complain about low standards for other people. You would feel that hot people get away with stuff that you can’t, which would apply you don’t think you’re hot. Edit: respond to your edit, I coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:38 PM

When people refer to standards, they don’t refer to physical attractiveness, the most common way these are referred to is behaviors directed at them. For example, women will complain The standards for men are on the floor because women don’t expect them to have a good paying job, take them out to dinner, etc. These are not low hotness standards, they are behavior standards. If you exclude looks from what people referred to a standard then yes attractive People don’t have to do many of these beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:36 PM

I would agree if it seemed like a small minority of people talking like this, but every podcast I turn on these phrases are commonly used. Unless you’re saying, most people are delusional about their own attractiveness, I think it’s more because we expect so much more out of someone else’s attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:32 PM
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Not every man lies. Just like how not every woman thinks like you do. In fact evidence shows more men are sexless and relationship less than ever before. Seems like more men are suffering and staying single
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:18 PM
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This idea of ideology is really terrible because it means you will never actually stick to an ideology. You’ll only choose the one that benefits you the most. Ideals are about what you want the world to be like even if it’s more painful for you to engage in that world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:26 PM
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Do you know any single women like Tammy? Asking for a friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:23 PM
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A lot of the red pill is nonsense, but they are right in that dating is the most important aspect of life. For the vast majority of people what you do for work doesn’t actually matter in the grand scheme of things, your work product will just go to some corporation and when you die, nothing will be remembered. You can spend your time volunteering or doing social work and that’s great, but again as an average individual, you likely won’t make enough impact to genuinely alter the world. That means…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:15 PM
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You say that if your understanding of dating doesn’t evolve from childhood it’s your fault, but childhood into adulthood is not a light switch. You slowly develop and challenge ideas overtime. Usually that’s around high school where people start to see the real world, but you forget a lot of dudes on here or early 20s. It’s not that long ago and if you had little to no experience in dating in high school you’ve had nothing to challenge these beliefs. Secondly, it’s weird that you completely dism…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:12 PM
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Several ways: Vaginas do stretch. Not as much as red pillers say they do but also not zero like many blue pillers say. If a woman has had a lot of large penis sex it can feel that you’re not really hitting anything. You’re thereby inferior in that regard Physical features / hotness. If you know her ex is hotter than you, why is she with you? Likely because you’re better in other ways, but objectively you’re not as attractive and thereby lower on the hotness category How she moves during sex. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:56 PM
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Sure, but we’ve had social programs for years. Things like food stamps, special savings accounts for both education and under the poverty people with higher interest rates, vocational training, and more. It hasn’t solved anything and the problem is just getting worse. I agree that a social program could help a lot, but you have to define which actual program.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:48 PM
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https://iowastartingline.com/2024/08/07/new-data-shows-how-little-single-moms-make/#:~:text=simplehappyart/iStock/Getty%20Images%20Plus,$1%20paid%20to%20all%20dads. No, we read it, it’s just that it doesn’t actually solve the main issue you’re talking about. Firstly it’s between 2008 and 2012, so it’s a bit dated. But secondly, we all know that if you’re poor, that’s a leading indicator of criminally, it’s just so happens that single mothers are the poorest of them all. People can debate the exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:41 PM
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It’s a statistical fact that single mothers require more state funding than single fathers do. Yes he’s being misogynistic by interpreting that that means something fundamental to have single mothers live, but statistically he’s not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:37 PM
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Of course people can lie, I don’t think anyone here is denying that. But I think it’s a lot less common for someone to completely lie for multiple years on end and you want it to be more common because that would provide an excuse for poor decision-making. The same phenomenon happens when people claim they’ve run into a narcissist or a psychopath, when true diagnosed people like that represent less than 5% of the population. I run into people who claim every ex was a narcissist, and at some poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:35 PM
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Soooo no, you didn’t get it. What was it you said about someone else? “Crazy how someone with bias will only agree with their own stats” or something to that effect?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:28 PM
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A lot of the sentiment comes from women saying they have some sort of intuition that can actually tell. If you wanna admit that women don’t, that’s great because then you also have to destigmatize incels because women claim they can just tell someone’s a loser based on that. Secondly, there are plenty of leading indicators. If a guy won’t commit to you in either relationship or locking down a date, why would he be committed to raising a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:25 PM
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It’s called semantics when youre cherry picking a single way to put statistics and then are handwaving away a problem because of that one picked definition. Of the three categories there is none over 50%, but single mothers is the largest category and thereby is the largest of the three options and as others have pointed out is much larger on a per capita basis, which you want to ignore. I’ll give you a simple example. Say a poll was conducted on favorite ice cream flavors. vanilla got 40% choco…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:22 PM
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Which is a good thing? I don’t think you actually got the guys point, single parenting is bad regardless of gender, but single mothers have shown worse results. If a single father remarries or get a girlfriend to help that’s great, same the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:17 PM
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lol women are the gender that drop people simply because of a tiny difference all the time. It’s because women have options and that’s exactly why women divorce men more than the reverse. I think you’re imagining a world where there a lot more women who are timid and are waiting for someone to give them the greenlight, when those women just don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:12 PM
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Sure, but you’re asking for social revenge. This is the exact same line of thinking that a lot of white people had in the 1970s in the south where they didn’t break or propose any laws, but damn sure wanted to exclude and socially punish as many people as they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:10 PM
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Firstly, I don’t know exactly what you were referring to when you send internal thoughts. It could be as simple as that dress doesn’t look good to more complex things about your life in your direction. I think both apply to the same standard. Best of your abilities means that if it’s stuck to your memory, then it’s up to you to report it. If you’ve ever thought of something recurring and you’re feeling that test because it’s continually staying in your mind and you’re not wishing it. If you gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:09 PM
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I’m talking about per capita. Saying the overall raw number for race is stupid because there’s far more white people than Black people in the United States. For gender This is not true because there’s a 50-50 gender ratio. For 2019, white people represented 8.4% of black murder, and Black people represented 17.2% of white murder. And that’s on the raw count, that’s not even factoring in the percentage difference of the amount of Black people in the United States. Essentially while yes there are …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:06 PM
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This is super interesting, I think it likely has to deal a lot with self actualization. Conservatives believe that they are responsible for nearly everything in their life, even when they’re getting screwed over, and liberals believe the opposite where their perpetual victims, even when they’re not. I would imagine believing you’re in control of your life Even if when not true would make you feel a lot better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:16 AM
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So who is this post actually for? the liberal women already know not to engage with conservative men, we’ve already seen moderate women are getting less and less common.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:13 AM
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So feminism is all about having women be able to make any choice they want, except when they choose to be conservative?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:11 AM
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I agree that men are the ones who signed the laws in place, but disagree in that you bring up an ethical question around taking advantage. Men simp because they’ve had poor upbringing and likely have rejection sensitivity from when they were young. Therefore, if you accept their sipping as a woman, you’re taking advantage of someone who likely has mental issues, which I think is more on women. I think the same of age gap relationships with a young woman, where the man is taking advantage of a cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:09 AM
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So you fuck dogs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:57 AM
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It may sound insane, but I’d honestly worry about causing more murder by over sensationalizing. An angry asshole may see these numbers and literally go. You wanna see a real murder? I feel like if you are truly a battered wife you know it’s not right you just don’t wanna move on. The actual rate of scenarios where a woman is trapped against her will is pretty low.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:47 AM
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No Black people murder white people at higher rates than white people murder themselves. If by rate you mean per capita, that’s definitely true. I think you’re referring to the overall rate which doesn’t quantify the difference in numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:38 AM
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I think it’s a lie of omission when you have a thought and then immediately think you shouldn’t tell your partner or think the thought may be upsetting to your partner. I think you should tell everything to your partner to the best of your abilities. If you think dress looks bad on them? Say it looks bad on them. If you think you’re not adequate for them? Bring it up that you don’t think you’re adequate for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:36 AM
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Literally it does. It’s a lie via omission. Why does everyone here not want to talk to their spouses
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:55 PM
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No lmao, and that statement is indicative of the problem of me being misread. A bunch of women are reading what I said, and assuming I’m meaning all of therapy or that women are meant to be therapists, I’m saying the specific reasons he went to therapy can be provided by anyone, even if he was gay. Any spouse of any gender can provide a safe space. No, that was just an example where in any other aspect of life you would stick to one service. You’re old enough to know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 03:35 PM
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OK, and by posting your question on a public forum, you’re opening yourself up to be responded to by not the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:05 AM
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I’ll address these things in order. Firstly, I don’t think how you say It is a good enough excuse to not say something. In fact, I think it could be used as a way to build resentment because while you are toiling away asking about how to bring something up or say something, you’re not communicating to your partner about something you do or do not like. All it will do is build resentment because you’re fumbling over the exact words, when it should just be a spur of the moment Thing. Say, for exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:10 AM
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It kinda does because if you were 100% happy with one why would you pay somebody to have another? It’s like saying I’m 100% happy with my cleaning service but I’ll hire another cleaning service. Just to have a second one, it means the first one is not doing its job completely, meaning the first is either unsatisfactory or doesn’t have the capacity. The only logical reason he would have a therapist for his specific needs Is there things he cannot tell his wife, which I don’t think is a good relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:58 PM
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You can’t do that with larger demographics. Some of those car accidents are caused by men, some of them are by women. I think what you’re getting at is that you are assuming men are unilaterally dangerous compared other causes of death. https://www.femicidecensus.org/data-matters-every-woman-matters/ This source says in the UK death of women directly from men in terms of homicide has hovered between 124 and 168 deaths per year. In 2022 285,096 women died in England and Wales. Thats 0.000589275 a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:41 PM
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How? She said that her fiancé was only going to have a safe space to be honest in. That means he didn’t feel there was a safe space at home, which is exactly what a marriage should be. She didn’t say that he was using actual therapy techniques or that he was actually solving any of his problems. He was just going and venting. That should definitely be something a spouse should be able to do. I feel like women have misread my entire response and are assuming I am meaning all of therapy simply bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:30 PM
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I’m glad you have a strong connection, but there shouldn’t be any secrets in a marriage. You mentioned trust and it’s a shortcut to trust, but after 17 years, you should trust your partner to share with them. If you don’t either for some reason you have an issue with trusting others or you’re hiding yourself in your marriage to hide opinions or facts that may be hard to digest. I’m not talking about a boyfriend or girlfriend. I’m talking about husband and wife. That designation should remove all…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:25 PM
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So instead of continuing a conversation, you’re just gonna cheerleader from the sidelines? You know she proved me right by saying that he doesn’t go anymore because he has a new safe space, which is exactly what I was referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:21 PM
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lol what a high and mighty response. Firstly you didn’t even tell everyone that he utilized therapy prior to getting into a relationship until I had to drag it out, then you blamed me for not asking for clarification when it’s up to the poster to clarify their own opinion. How would I know what to ask if I don’t know your history, you seem very defensive about this for no apparent reason. Your use of past tense is useless in understanding the timeframe of his therapy usage because I don’t know i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:21 PM
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No lmao. Sad of course, but important and meaningful in anyway? No. It doesn’t even crack 1% of deaths of women. car accidents, heart disease, and cancer are far more statistically significant causes of death for women. Because that’s why we have seatbelts, free screenings, and are trying to improve visibility on nutrition. If you think 600 people dying is important in any way in the world, please never become a politician, or someone who actually has to govern Also to make sure I’m not gonna be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:06 PM
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That’s exactly my point, and that’s not a good relationship. If he can’t have an adult conversation with her and tell her how he feels then that relationship is built on lies. If he feels his wife will reject him that means it’s not actually a good relationship. Your marriage should be a safe space
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:04 PM
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That’s not a lot though. In 2023 1,473,879 women died. 600 women on that is 0.000407089. It’s statistically insignificant
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:03 PM
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Sure, but what do we even do? At this level of rarity you can’t even make any policy that would address any of it. My problem with sensationalist rhetoric like above is that it implies like it’s a common enough problem for us to have legislation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:02 PM
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That’s not a lot though. In 2023 1,473,879 women died. 600 women on that is 0.000407089. It’s statistically insignificant
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:58 PM
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It’s not a huge difference though. In actual people it’s only 600 more people, in terms of statistics of total deaths in the United States It’s negligible. You wouldn’t even consider that statistically significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:56 PM
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I would argue you’re the one who doesn’t care nor understand data, because it would be massive if we’re talking hundreds of thousands of people, but we’re only talking in the thousands. 600 more people dying doesn’t mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:53 PM
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Yes, that being the specific things he’s going to therapy for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:44 AM
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No, it’s not, you need a reading comprehension class. My exact words were you don’t need a therapist to help with that. That was referring to the specific reasons her partner was going to therapy. You’re the one who reads that as all of therapy, when I didn’t say that. That in this case is meaning specifically the reasons he is going.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:05 PM
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She originally said it helped him be ready for a relationship, then later clarified he went before. My original statement was before that clarification. Also I’m just going by what is said, nothing more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:56 PM
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I know it is, and this is where people are misreading me. I’m saying the guys specific use cases is a vent session, not that spouses need to take over any and all potential reasons for therapy. He specifically is using it as only a vent session
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:54 PM
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I’ve literally been saying my point. If you’re going for a vent session your spouse should be able to provide that because it’s not actually about providing a solution, and if you need a third-party to vent to, it shows that your relationship is not strong because you can’t actually share everything with your spouse. Also, I’m not a fan of comparing relationships to food. Your pizza dough in the fridge doesn’t get personally insulted if you elect to buy a pizza instead. If you believe your thera…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:00 PM
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It’s kind of incredible how I’ve had five different women assume I meant all of therapy when I never said that once in what I actually responded. I didn’t say wives need to provide all therapy, I’m saying the specific things that he is going to therapy for should be provided because it’s basically just a vent session. I also said that he should tell his wife everything, which I still agree with. It’s not on her to provide a solution to everything, but if he’s going for a vent session, then yes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:55 PM
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I don’t know why you insist on assuming so much about this dude’s life. In basic debating you take what they say and respond directly, which is what I did. You’re assuming some deeper story for some reason and I don’t know why. People go to the mechanic because they hear a weird noise that turned out to be nothing. Being a hypochondriac is literally someone who overreacts and believe they’re sick constantly and goes to the doctor unnecessarily. Just because someone seeks professional help doesn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:49 PM
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It could be, but you’re assuming a lot positively about why he goes to therapy. You’re looking at the reason she said he goes and assuming an entire mental health story when that’s not what she said. I’m just going off of what she said specifically, which is he goes for a space to vent. You’re the one reading and expanding on this when we have no other information. If she comes back saying he’s a diagnosed bipolar 2 person and needs a space to vent about that experience sure, but not what she sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:44 PM
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Again, you’re reading and assuming the original posters intentions when it’s not what she said. She didn’t say her fiancé was trying to fix his thinking patterns, was looking for perspective, or anything. She literally just said he’s going for an open space to not feel judged and to be honest. There’s nothing in that about actual solutions to his problems, he just going to vent in which case a spouse is perfectly able to handle that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:42 PM
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You’re not actually understanding what I’m saying. You’re reading my original post saying that she should be able to handle that and assuming I mean every single condition under the planet. I’m specifically responding to the needs that her fiancé said that he goes to therapy for. So yes, I understand the difference, I never said that any and all conditions must be handled by a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:40 PM
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You’re ignoring what she actually said. She said her fiancé goes to have an open space to not feel judged and to be honest. That’s very different from saying he takes advantage of EMDR, or any specific technique to deal with a genuine diagnosis. Your analogies are false equivalency. It be like saying, I need food in general then yes, your spouse should be able to handle that. If you need specific dietary restrictions or specific cuisine that they can’t cook that’s the purpose of a restaurant. Sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:38 PM
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The poster said the reasons her fiancé goes is to have an open space without judgment to be honest. That’s just a venting session. If she said he goes because he requires specific techniques. Sure, that’s not what’s happening here. He’s going for the job of a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:37 PM
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I’m not envious of their relationship, in fact, I think it’s really bad. You’re ignoring what the poster actually said, she said her fiancé goes to have a safe space to be honest and not to feel judged. You’re assuming positively all these extra techniques that he’s taking advantage of, when she didn’t say that. Obviously if he’s genuinely mentally ill, then you would need a therapist. That’s not what she said he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:35 PM
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How does it not? You should be at 100% open book with your spouse. There shouldn’t be a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:34 PM
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You’re ignoring the context of my response. She said the reasons her fiancé goes to therapy is to have a safe space to be honest and not to feel judged. To me that’s the bare minimum in any relationship, and if you feel that it’s not or that’s a burden then you are hiding yourself in a relationship. You’re not actually building a real connection If he was going to deal with a genuine diagnosis, sure, but that’s not the case here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:33 PM
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You’re proving my point. Women’s lives have changed, but their dating game has not. The most common response for women who now earn significant money is that their man needs to earn more than them. It’s the same philosophy as women 100 years ago, but the standards have risen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:32 PM
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You’re ignoring the context of my response. She said all the reasons her fiancé goes to therapy, which is honesty, self-esteem, and not feeling judged. All those things do not need a professional, then in fact, it’s quite sad that he feels that cannot be provided in a relationship. Now, if he was going for an actual mental health diagnosis then sure there would be no expectation on her in the slightest. That’s not what she said. Same goes for physical health. No one should expect their spouse to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:31 PM
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I respectfully disagree and think that’s a marriage based on secrecy, not actual connection. I believe when you marry someone you become one unit, and I do not believe in the concept that you two live separate lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:29 PM
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What I’m saying is that the vast majority of women are sexually appealing to men, and then it’s about actually getting one to say yes to you. Sure there are some women that some men don’t actually find attractive, but to be honest men’s tastes are extremely varied to the point where I’ve yet to see a woman never have a single man interested in her ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:28 PM
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The context of my response is everything that she listed about her fiancé was about honesty, not feeling judged, helping with self-esteem, which are things she should be able to help with. If you were diagnosed bipolar, obviously she couldn’t help, but in this situation, the main reasons he goes is to feel better about himself then yes that’s a wife’s duty to help.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:27 PM
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I never said that they should fix the problem, I said that you should share everything with your partner. If the main reason you go to therapy is to vent, then yes, your spouse should be able to handle that. However, if the main purpose of you going to therapy is to challenge your thinking patterns or actually engage in psychological Assistance, then yes, a therapist is needed. But the raw material you share with them should be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:26 PM
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I agree that your spouse will not know the actual technical ways to help you, but my point was that the raw material that you share should be the same. If you find that you can only share something with a therapist and not your spouse it means it’s not palatable to your spouse, which means if they knew they would leave you. That’s not a good basis for a relationship. I’m not saying your spouse should actually fix the problem, but they should be aware and support you fixing the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:25 PM
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So by definition yo want a top 13% man. You want above average. Sorry the average is low lmao welcome to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:17 AM
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Trolling implies direct knowledge / lying to mess with someone. I believe she is being weirdly dismissive to not bring up a subject she knows is dangerous, and the fiance is riding along to try and avoid the stuff he talks about in therapy. So I dont think they are trolling, I think they genuinely are delusional about this topic or are avoiding it because any conclusion ( he does not tell her everything and she thought he did, or that he doesnt and is ok with that, or he does tell her everything…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:04 AM
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Im disappointed you didnt reply to my main reply and instead sought me out here. Im also disappointed your fiance STILL refuses to say if he tells you everything. Thats now 5 replies with no direct response.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:47 AM
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Sure, but come on. I expected more from her. $5 says the fiance hides stuff from her so she stays with him. If she was in his therapy sessions shed bolt.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:35 AM
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I have several issues with the interpretation of this data: The data is a snapshot of 2021 data, not a timeline of individuals. You cannot say by 30-34 46% of men are married, because by implies that it will be the same for younger generations. All you can say is in 2021, 46% of men aged 30-34 are married, which is a different statement. We have no idea if the singleness rate will continue to rise (even though most sources indicate it will). As such, you cant say I am not average because you nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:33 AM
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I appreciate the sentiment, but my point is that is a permanent problem. Theres a concept called social debt, namely that if you are poorly socialized as a child you likely develop poor social skills which prevent friendships and relationships, which further decrease social development and skills, which leads to less friends, and so on. The main issue is that my social life is doomed because of this debt, even if I get a good friend, I will always push them away given intensity. Say you met some…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:18 AM
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In this case they are synonyms because its illustrative of commitment. I dont care if you had your wedding or not. Before I get "nuh uh, there not the same so you dont read" you know damn well for the purposes of this discussion they illustrate the same levels of commitment. You both have still not addressed any of the actual content. If you want to make assumptions that I am not reading I can make an assumption about what Im actually not reading from you, which is addressing anything im saying.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:09 AM
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I dont think it helped. I still tried to kill myself, and even since being hospitalized and going to more therapy, there still is a hole. The best way I can describe it is like after a war torn country gets peace. Sure its better and more sane, but scars are still there. Therapy has kept me alive, but im not happy about that. Id rather have lived a life in a peaceful country (metaphorically) and not this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:05 AM
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LMAO what a hug box. Its apparently on the reader to make clarifications when you posted YOUR OPINION in a debate sub. The one who throws out there opinion has to make sure its accurate to the situation. Your husband seems awfully quiet on saying if he tells you everything. Instead of saying he does or even why he thinks he shoudnt, the tactic is just to say im assuming and move on. I made a statement, I did not accuse you of anything. Wasnt it you who just said its up to the reader to clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:58 AM
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I think this is where diagnoses matter. Say you are bipolar II, your brain simply is unbalanced. Sure food may help get it more stable, but theres a reason why for bipolar II medication has been proven as the most important factor, and therapy is often discouraged for them. If you are simply depressed, sure it can be very helpful. If you have PTSD exercise wont make memories go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:53 AM
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Firstly you did not mention that, so thats on you. You just said it put him in a better place for a relationship, not that he did that prior to getting into one. Secondly it doesnt matter. You should be more important and closer to him than his therapist. He should tell you everything he tells his therapist, else he is hiding stuff from you. I personally do not believe that is a foundation for a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:50 AM
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TBH I think you read one too many articles. Yes it is a factor, but thats combating minor mood instability. Ive tried to kill myself, no amount of vegetables would have prevented that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:47 AM
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Thats my point, there is not really. You are just spending money to have someone either lie to you, or tell you not to focus on it, or point out a negative thinking trap, etc. Basically you have to delude yourself into either not thinking its as bad or that one day someone will truly see you and value you, both of these everyone on here says is hallmark BS. The best solution here is to not go to therapy and spend money, especially if the patient KNOWS your BSing them. As someone who has brought …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:46 AM
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Very insightful. If he cant tell you everything, it means he is hiding stuff from you to tell his therapist and not you. Same if you have a therapist. You should be able to tell everything to your spouse you tell a therapist, else you are hiding. Also if his self esteem was helped by a therapist and not you, it means you are not helping his self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:39 AM
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The problem I have with all of that is you as his wife should be able to handle that. Same with him as a husband. If he can only tell things to a person who is paid to be there for him to vent to, it means who he is with you is not the full him and you are only loving an image he puts up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:34 AM
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Women who say that are being dismissive because they think its a magical cure-all. Its like someone who says "if youre feeling bad just go to the doctor" as if there is something immediately diagnose or fixable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:33 AM
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I argue the opposite. As someone who has been medicated and diagnosed, a lot of therapy is just "sorry your life is like that, people wont get it, here are tools to help cope with that reality"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:32 AM
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It helps identify them, but honestly if your problem is you are ugly and socially have no friends and therefor act weird, no therapy can help that. People are just naturally put off by you, and in therapy Ive been taught techniques to cope with that but no actual solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:31 AM
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Given the flair I have to post here. I have done extensive therapy, been medicated, and more. Therapy in my opinion doesnt really work for men because men are solutions oriented, and while a therapist can definitely help you gameplan a solution, they cant magically make your life better. Additionally theres deep rooted issues with men and achieving things "their way". Most men I see complain about therapy say they are paying someone hundreds of dollars to not leave when they vent, which is true.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 04:29 AM
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I literally have not been on a date in 3 years. I have no matches on dating apps. I actually have 0 options
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:58 AM
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We need to have a societal conversation about porn. Either it deviates normal expectations and rots brains on both sides of the isle, or its truly neutral to development
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:59 AM
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This is true. Anyone who is hotter is more powerful as they have more ability to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:45 AM
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Firstly men typically cant leave as easily. This is because women are more desired, and therefor have more options. For men its leave and be single and hate your life or stay and hold on for dear life. Secondly she is also choosing to prioritize financial or resource security in dating, which you shouldnt do. Thats what a job is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:45 AM
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This would imply people "pull up" whoever they date and thereby can exploit them. Like outside of living together and so a younger person may be exploited for housing, you typically dont get your GF / BF a job, exclusively hold over finances, or any other structural institution influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:41 AM
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I view age gaps as someone in that relationship is not acting their appropriate age. Either the older person has the mentality of a child, or the child is trying to play adult and likely is dealing with trauma or an upbringing that forced them to play an adult. Whoever is the most childish is the one that gets exploited, and that can be the physically older person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:37 AM
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Science has proven that multiple partners does decrease your attachment to new ones and abilities to form relationships. Now whether or not she can compartmentalize these men into work and the guy she marries is truly special is one thing, but at minimum she has seen MILES of penis in her life. She sees yours, she wont marvel. Its not a novel experience. That may or may not be a good thing, but it does mean experience stays with you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:33 AM
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Sure, but the issue is that women's game has remained unchanged. They get to demand men be providers AND all that which is wrong. Its a rigged game - if being a provider now didnt mean as much I think a lot of dudes would follow the housewife method of going to the gym more
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:28 AM
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most women make our dicks hard. The point is thats not how women work
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:21 AM
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Men dont date this way because like OP said men are the sellers, women are the buyers. Men dont buy anything lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:21 AM
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Thats if you have options. Typically average men dont, so they say yes to whoever says yes to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:19 AM
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I think there should be a limit on this though because many of them, including the person who started this comment thread, have openly admitted to trolling and doing this for entertainment purposes. They rile up men by providing inflammatory comments They don’t really believe, which men then take a serious and actually attempt to utilize the knowledge in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:56 AM
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Who said anything about purchasing? You’re proving my point by saying any location moving is inherently purchasing women, which is ridiculous. As I asked another commenter, where does the line get drawn? If you move from New York City to upstate New York, are you also purchasing women? How about moving from Los Angeles to rural Oklahoma? Is any economic difference where a man has more money automatically purchasing women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:20 AM
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I have. I’ve seen people argue that if you can’t make it where you are born, you are not a good prospect and therefore it’s cheating to move to an easier location, I don’t know how common of a response that is, but I’ve definitely seen it before. My issue with the financial argument is that it’s a very slippery slope. Sure if you move to the middle of Africa, you probably have way more economic resources, but would you say the same thing about someone moving from Los Angeles to rural Oklahoma? H…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:15 AM

The problem I have with this defense is that there’s always gonna be some guy who’s more desperate and that’s the input that the woman uses to assess her value. You get one super Simp and suddenly she thinks she’s a 10, even if most guys wouldn’t. Also, women claim stuff about how their biology overrides are thinking all the time, with men it’s the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:48 PM

It gets more attention because apparently women are happy being single. Women on here post all the time that the rising singleness rate for women is a good thing, it shows women are making the right choice, and other positive spins on it. we simply don’t see women complaining about, and in fact, we see them reveling it. Why would we care if they’re happy with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:45 PM
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"How I think about the world is intrinsically related to my worldview which is intrinsically related to my values which are intrinsically related to the policies and elected officials I vote for and support. I notice more men than women seem to pretend that these things aren’t related. It’s willful obtuseness. Or maybe thy truly don’t see how it’s interconnected? Which would explain why they’re always so “shocked” and “didn’t see that coming” when the obvious transpires." Here is what you origin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:00 AM
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Then you’re not looking hard enough. All you Gotta do is go to the tall subreddit dudes consistently asking them to date women their height, and tall guys refusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:48 AM
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So now you’re speaking for most men and women? This is exactly what this is about, your whole argument started with you saying that your values are deeply aligned with your political stance, I offered an example where someone political stance and their values may not directly align, namely, if both parties agree they don’t like people who exploit the system, even if they disagree on what exact system occurs, they still have a common value. you then proceed to argue that if you are against aborti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:46 AM
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I’m not saying that’s what should happen, right now you’re the queen of putting words in my mouth. I didn’t even tell you my actual stance on abortion, I said what if someone said say allowing termination at six months versus nine months, and you personally felt attacked by me even mentioning it. I’m pointing out a hole in your logic where by you saying a woman’s womb is always her womb regardless of the age of a baby, you also need to apply that same logic with men’s body parts saying a penis i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:43 AM
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“disparities are primarily generated by departures from the guidelines, rather than differential sentencing within the guidelines. Departures produce about 55 percent of the black‐white difference and 70 percent of the male‐female difference” The problem is all the factors that you list that the studies don’t control for are within guidelines that the study the guy posted specifically said was not the cause of the disparity. There are guidelines for if you are cooperating or not cooperating, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:38 AM
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No, my point is that you’re basically making abortion a universal women issue and therefore fundamentally if you have any different stance, you are against any and all women. You do know there’s women who actually voted to increase abortion restrictions, right? Also, by your logic do rapists get a pass because they have bodily autonomy over their penis and what they could do with it, even if it affects other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:29 AM
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It depends, I haven’t seen the faces. Typically, I associate angry with fight and afraid with flight, but you still haven’t said anything against the actual point. You’re taking your interpretation as law and assuming if I don’t interpret it your way I don’t know how to interpret,why is your interpretation automatically the correct one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:08 AM
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You’re proving my point. My point is that you’re taking it like an attack on all women when it doesn’t have to be. I didn’t even say I believed it nor did I even say what specific issue I had. If I had said, I want the limit to go from nine months to six months is that automatically still a problem? It’s not mental gymnastics, it’s being specific and also not lumping in all women into abortion because they’re simply women, if you never have a kid, it doesn’t affect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:07 AM
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That’s expecting too much because they’ve eliminated all factors that could be explanatory outside of gender. You’re now asking them to speculate on a quality that is not expected to be considered, so I do think this study successfully proves that there is a bias in favor of women in terms of sentencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:44 PM
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In my mind, it doesn’t say anything necessarily because the common value is you both don’t like people who exploit systems. The woman in that example could have different systems that come to mind, but if you both don’t like exploiters, and you do have the same values in mind. The only way that’s not true is if you admit that women have a strong in group bias, and anything anti-women, even if it’s a small group of women that individual woman wouldn’t actually apply to, is anti all women, in whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:42 PM
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They do, but it’s like telling a rich person to just give up their money. Of course they’re not gonna do it, they’re gonna make excuses why they deserve it, and if all else fails, they’ll just call everyone else jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:40 PM
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The way I see it, and I suspect a lot of men see it is that so long as both parties care about the world improving political disagreements are not that serious as it’s more about how the improvement gets done. I think a lot of women feel that men do not fundamentally agree that they want the world to improve because women view men’s version of the world improving as hurting them, Because a lot of women take statements personally, as if you’re personally attacking their existence. For example, le…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:38 PM
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This is just pure fanfiction. You’re confusing murderous ambition for passion and thinking you’d be safe, and you’re proving exactly why women find criminals attractive, and are delusional in doing so. He literally attempts to trick his brother and has multiple scenes of double crossing people. Why wouldn’t you be double crossed? Also, I like how you denied you’re not into this yet wrote this explanation and provide a link to a bogus article so yes, you are into the bad boys
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:51 PM
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I disagree there, though. Sure we have the same general agreements that stealing is bad or whatever, but the actual mixes of what people are willing to sacrifice are genuinely unique. It’s exactly why some people are willing to date criminals who are even in prison because they believe The reasons why someone did a crime are more important than the crime happening, or even believe that crime is not really that big of a deal to them. You get religious people who prioritize purity over actual good…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:39 PM
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I’m confused, when men talk about this we still want one woman, just a woman that’s not been found by other dudes. No one’s arguing for harems here
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:26 PM
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How in the world is that true? We don’t even see him with anyone romantically, and in fact, hes shown to be extremely selfish. Where on earth are you getting that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:24 PM
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You are excusing. The dude constantly trying to overthrow the government, kills hundreds of people, and despite his brother trying to actually love him for who he is refuses to take that. Just admit you like broken guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:21 PM
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Sure, but that only explains looking for good traits that you identify, not that others identify. I think this just showcases the difference of life compared between men and women. A lot of men are already left out, and men are typically told to have your own value system, not to follow the values of others. Essentially, what you’re telling me is that you care about what other people think so that you won’t be left out, yet you don’t think that those who would leave you out because of your partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:20 PM
1

How? The best is competed for by everyone on the planet. To get someone just for you you can go to a rural village or something
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:30 PM
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So a good man is designed for men, and a bad man is designed for women? Says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:29 PM
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I would flip that and ask why do other peoples opinions matter to women? The whole point of a relationship is to have someone you value in your life, why would others views affect that at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:28 PM
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Yes I did, that and this are not incongruent. I can say you should have compassion and also not listen to their advice as a neurotypical person. You can hear and empathize, but not act ya know
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:19 AM
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Yea, because women dont have personality because yall didnt need to develop it to get dates. All personality driven fields are predominantly male because you actually have to develop social skills as men. You can be a wet poster board and get a date as a woman. Comedy? Male dominated. Art? Male dominated (in terms of famous world renowned artists) Music? Male dominated (https://annenberg.usc.edu/news/research-and-impact/women-music-hold-gains-have-more-room-grow)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 07:12 PM
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I mean if you are severely autistic you don’t lol. Quit acting like you have any relevant experience here
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:41 PM
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I did without having a woman in my pocket like you did with a man. Growth comes from alone reflection, not monkey branching
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:40 PM
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Firstly it doesn’t matter how many actually followed as your point was that women never form a movement, and they formed a movement. You’re just wrong Secondly there’s a difference between red pill which has elements talking about this stuff and a full blown we are not dealing with women which is what MGTOW is. MGTOW is the same size as 4B
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:39 PM
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Why is his interpretation automatically incorrect? Why is your interpretation of what she’s feeling correct? You’re proving OP point, you’re assuming your interpretation is correct and not giving any validation with the boy in the video may think.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:47 AM
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Because men have given up on having someone to understand them. There’s a reason why the stereotype is the husband leaves the house to go fishing instead of talk to his wife, and not because he’s emotionally stunted. It’s because any real thoughts he has his wife won’t actually like or be a safe space for. Women just don’t like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:45 AM
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Oh, come on women have completely made these “facts” into an ideology about hating men. You can argue feminism is completely into this, but there are several users on the sub who literally say such things like referencing being cat called and then saying how they will never trust a man ever again, and how old man, gross and evil 4B was a movement exactly like you’re saying women don’t do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:38 AM
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Cool, so you want to go back to survival of the fittest? You do realize that in those times, rape was even more common. If a guy wasn’t chosen he would chose for her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:36 AM
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The accommodation is being understanding of misread, social cues and awkwardness, including poor attempts to hit on them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:27 AM
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https://www.weingart.org/weingart-blog/the-unique-problems-facing-men-who-experience-homelessness#:~:text=According%20to%20HUD%2C%20over%2060,and%20substance%20abuse%2C%20for%20example. Then you should know what the actual realities are for homeless men. Many places put a flat out ban on men entering, and in general homeless men are underserved in terms of a beds available per number of homeless individuals of that gender. Homeless women are over resource, homeless men are under resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:20 AM
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And OP is talking about dating, not about life in general. If you’re happy single find another sub
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:17 AM
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Lmaoooo “Learned to not settle for someone” is hilarious. You act like that’s some personal challenge, youre saying I had to learn how to stop stuffing my face at the buffet when there’s a homeless dude looking through the window at you eating. This isn’t failure, this is literally you getting more successful. The fact that this is your big lesson shows how privileged women are in the interest they have in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:16 AM
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No, men started caring when women obtained the power to generally fuck up our lives. In the past, women were extremely marginalized, which means even if they were treated like children it’s because essentially socially they were children. They didn’t have any agency, any sway in the actual world, and were just supporters. Now that there are many women in positions of power we’re seeing more and more evidence of power corrupting just like it would do for men. The difference though is that women g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:11 AM
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You just proved his point though. The fact that there are shelters that care for women for their bad man choice showcases that they do not actually experience failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:07 AM
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That woman doesn’t exist though. Women on here argue out of both sides of their mouths, on one hand they constantly say how reality is both partners work and men are lazy because a woman works and does house work, but then here you are claiming a niche example where alimony is apparently required. Which is it? Are women all helpless stay at home moms or are they empowered?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:03 AM
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The amount of bias in this is so wild. Women initiate the majority of divorces, so your statement that women can only divorce if he cheats is completely stupid. Also women paying alimony is less than 1% of total alimony. Quit skewing things because you don’t like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:01 AM
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Break ups should carry stigma because you’re wasting someone else’s time. Also, depending on the type of break up, you could be genuinely hurting somebody in a way that they will never recover from.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:58 AM

The problem with this argument is that it’s entirely dependent on want sounds like a lot, which you can’t make policy on. To you 40k sounds like a lot to me I know it’s simply not it’s .0001% of the us population. Sure they matter to their friends or families but as statistical markers they don’t matter at all. You and I don’t matter. In order to make policy you have to look at it statistically. Else you’d ban driving which would cause far more death by causing job loss and inability to get food…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:24 AM

This is a dumb way to look at statistics. 40k people die a year from car crashes, yet your chance of dying from a car crash is 1% roughly of all deaths. 40k people dead sounds like a lot but you still drive every day
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:16 AM

Windmill flowers Lilith Outside memories Many more
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:13 AM

Is it not the fault of the perpetrator? This is like blaming society for allowing crime when they are in fact not. Same with men, an inch does not equate to a mile
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:12 AM
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Girl just ask him. If you’re in a happy relationship get off this sub lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:10 AM
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This is just bad logic. No group operates this way, there are unreasonable people in all groups and you don’t even know if they truly believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:09 AM
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To me it depends on if I truly believe I’m unlovable. If so, then yes, if not, then no
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:07 AM
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Why? You just saying a canned response proves my point you just don’t wanna communicate
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:06 AM
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No. Fuck that. That’s asking for a sexual assault allegation. Why can you use your words like an adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:03 AM
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Because it’s not about the woman, but about the baby. Pro choice people never seem to grasp the fact that if you’re truly pro life you believe you’re murdering a baby, how do you expect them to act? You may not view an embryo as alive, but others do, it be extremely inhuman to expect them to suddenly turn off that side of their brain and just go along with what you think. It’s not about women, it’s about preventing a murder that they think is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:13 PM
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It’s also why the rates of improvement slow down overtime. There’s a difference between a genuinely squeaky wheel because it’s not functioning and one that just complains for the sake of complaining. At some point, it becomes the boy who cried wolf. Are you serious? It’s still happening now, a petition went up a month ago to ban the hashtag. Also, claiming it’s not serious is absolutely wild, if it was kill all women you’d be up in arms saying it’s hate speech but yet when it’s to any other it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:06 PM
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It’s not, and in fact it’s being celebrated. If you go on Twitter, singleness rates are being celebrated by women for increasing, and the fact that being a pet Mom is now a term where you’re trying to equate being an owner of a pet to being a parent is ridiculous. I’m sorry it’s just not the same level of social acceptance as happy wife happy life is. I would say women who want to be the prize do represent the majority, at least for the under 30 crowd. There are constant videos online asking wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:01 PM
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If you’re just gonna objectively reject anyone’s abilities here to look up a study, why are you on a debate sub? That’s clearly debating in bad faith because you’re just going to objectively reject anyone and claim they can’t post a study? The data he posted was very real data, you could argue if it’s relevant data, but it wasn’t falsely gathered in anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:55 PM
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Which proves to me you guys just wanna yell and be heard, and are not actually about solutions. If you were about solutions, you would recognize that continued yelling when others have noted that your problems are getting better actually hurts your cause because it makes people less likely to want to advocate. You would know when to let sleeping dogs lie but no you want to yell and let kill all men trend on Twitter simply because you want to be upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:54 PM
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The blog had real data though, just because it’s in a blog form doesn’t mean anything. If someone posted a direct link to census data in a blog is it suddenly not real data?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:52 PM
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The OP literally just posted a bunch of data showing that the data does not back you up. You’re proving his point by not even addressing his data.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:28 PM
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If that’s the case, how come the voices from them are the loudest today when problems have been getting better overtime? Statistically things are improving, yet feminist yell and berate the loudest today than they ever have before.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:23 PM
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Why do women do this? Why do women see their own specific experience and immediately assume it’s universal across every single one of their same gender? Men typically don’t do the same, men here acknowledge that there are plenty of great women who many guys are lucky to be with. Yet women on here treat it like every single woman has the exact same scenario. Your company could’ve just been evil, that doesn’t mean it’s an actual systemic problem
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:22 PM
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It’s been statistically proven that women are not underpaid for the same exact position. This is you proving the original poster correct that you want to be upset and are making up fake terminology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:19 PM
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You’re still proving the guys overall point though. Instead of addressing every argument methodically, you pick out the one where he may have poorly read the study and are acting like this whole thing is Null and void. It’s not, and you’re proving his points by getting upset about miss reading Which proves him right that you just want to be upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:14 PM
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So apparently men need to be in a hyper specific social scenario or women will feel upset or that they’ve been lied to, but also don’t feel the pressure being asked out cold. I feel like this scenario is just delusional because I think women think it’s some sort of meet cute scenario when in reality men are exactly planning these steps to be in the scenarios anyway. Men join groups for the sake of women all the time, then also do stuff like start up conversation with the express intent of dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:09 PM
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Theoretically, but that’s not how relationships work for men. Most of society essentially blames men for the outcome of any relationship, that’s why the phrase happy wife happy life is prevalent. Man are expected to essentially be servants to women so you’re signing up for a job by entering a happy relationship. Women on the other hand, don’t have nearly the same expectation. It’s socially understood that men will be miserable, but still keep going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:05 PM
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Sure, but again he doesn’t know if he’s too fat for her. In this case it’s a more obvious trait, but still she said another fat lady picked him up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:04 AM
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Your perspective is extremely biased and you’re weirdly reading into things and assuming a dark motive when there is none. It’s weird that you call Trad content on TikTok promotional and then also claim people are promoting it to essentially exploit women, but then don’t have the same opinion or standard for the opposite, which is career girl content, which also doesn’t show the full picture because studies have shown that many of these women feel lower satisfaction and report lower levels of ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:34 AM
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I think this is one of the more interesting divides between men and women. You’re not insulting him, you’re telling him something he doesn’t know. As a man, the problem with just hearing I don’t have interest in you is You feel cursed by the world because you don’t have any explicit reasons why it shouldn’t happen, it just didn’t. Personally, in my life that has sent me on more spirals than anything because I felt I put forth my best effort, because I was oblivious. He likely is oblivious, or at…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:18 AM
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It clearly means provide a majority though. I think it’s disingenuous to take this survey and imply it means any compensation amount even if it doesn’t actually cover the needs of the family. It’s the same way where people say they have realistic income expectations when they say I only need the amount of money I need to live comfortably, but then when you ask them the amount they say they need is ridiculously high
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:12 AM
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I’ve always hated this argument that apparently men are supposed to be infinitely in debt to women. Firstly, no it’s not like you’re cursed the second after a child, you can work out to regain a lot of strength, there’s plenty of things you can do. So realistically women are only actually out in nine months, and even then plenty of women work while they are pregnant. Women online act like you will lose 18 years of your life, no, you lose like three months of actual labor, besides that men are ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 12:09 AM
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For the obese guy, could you not have just been honest with him? As a dude, it would’ve been way better for me to hear a concrete thing I could work on versus I’m just not into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:59 PM
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I think you touch on some points but are misrepresenting what men think because you’re still talking from a woman’s perspective. Firstly, men are pissed off about women’s roles changing, but not men’s. The vast majority of men are completely fine with women being independent, getting jobs, and living their best lives. Women on the Internet act as if men have never had a sister try to have their own career, seeing their mom work hard at work, or had girlfriends who have aspirations. The problem i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:51 PM
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https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-homeless-people-are-in-the-us-what-does-the-data-miss/ The US rate is 0.23%. Also the Denmark studies show the real numbers between 10 and 15,000 total homeless people, which at a total population of 6 million, would be 0.25%. The point is depending on what is counted and what is not counted countries can look better or worse, but the point is every place still has homelessness, which means your word that every human basic human need is met is impossible. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 07:25 AM
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You said everyone getting their needs met. By definition thats communism because even in socialist democratic countries like Denmark there are still homeless people, people in debt, and every other issue in capitalism. For there to be absolutely no needs on that go unmet there has to be a planned economy, and only a theoretical utopia written about by Marx or other writers. If you really meant prioritizing meeting basic social needs sure you could be a socialist, but every basic need is only ach…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:59 AM
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Two problems with this: Firstly, it’s ignorant of actual biological differences that gave rise to gender roles. Men are physically stronger than women, which meant physical tasks like manual labor were given to men because they were more effective at it, which gave rise to the men work and women maintain the household. Sure today this makes no sense because most of us are not doing physical labor and if we are, it’s heavily machine assisted, but this is not the case for the vast majority of huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:51 AM
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A communist? On Reddit? How rare!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:47 AM
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I’m not red pill myself, but it’s the same logic where some women will always view their boyfriend as a potential threat because of previous experiences, even if he never is, the same way men may view women as a threat to them emotionally because of past experiences, even if you never are. What’s funny is both sides use the same excuse, which is there is unequal gender based problems that are just facts of life, and so while you as an individual are safe, it doesn’t prevent them from complaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:42 AM
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Typically men have had experiences where such a happy relationship leaves them because when they were truly happy, the woman wasn’t, which means they are jaded and have eyes looking behind them because they’re worried about being backstabbed The main problem is masculinity by definition is stoic, unwavering, and not emotional. If you are attracted to very masculine men, if they fall in love, they will naturally be emotional, unstable, and very attached to you, which is unattractive. The woman th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 06:35 AM
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The amount of times I’ve had to walk them off a cliff explaining to them that no no one hates you, you were not invited because they did not think you could make it, no that does not say anything, etc. I’ve literally had it where I’ve been venting, they cry about my situation, then I have to comfort them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:54 PM
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This is like saying women only want money when they feel slighted the man does not pay, when to them the money means he cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:51 PM
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No, they can talk because even if they never done the apps themselves, they’ve had to find in person dating in world where apps exist. My point is that boomers didn’t have a world where that existed, so even if a young person today doesn’t do them at least they have to still contend with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:40 AM
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My assumption with the sub is that we are debating dating today, which inherently means if you’re not dating today your input is less valuable. I don’t think Boomer input is valuable than because they’ve never had experience with today’s landscape. I frankly don’t wanna hear from anyone who never had to deal with dating apps, because their experience is of a world that no longer exists. So no their experience is not experience, because they cannot separate what worked for them from their era.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:20 AM
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On number three I think it’s a bit disingenuous to imply that boomers are of equal consequence or weight in the dating discussion. Statistically the older you are the more likely you are to be married and therefore out of dating conversation, so well yes boomers do date, I don’t think anyone could easily argue that they should have equal weight in the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:57 AM
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I agree in concept that debating here is practically useless, but I think all the things you said are true in reality but None of that would matter if we had better ratios of eligible men and women. We essentially have a big chunk of dudes like you, And a bunch of old ladies who are married. The few young women we do have all had personal post histories of femcel sub, participation, clearly troll posting, or lesbian or asexual it still speak on straight relationships, or my favorite a handful ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:54 AM
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Only some men of particular races or backgrounds, so less of a catch-all compared to women. Also why wasn't the solution to boy scouts to better improve leadership vs destroy it? I assume girl scouts have predators too
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:58 PM
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Interesting question but I would say the framing is off. If shes madly in love with you, she would not be disrespectful or go cold on you. Its more she may either steamroll you for "joint" decisions because she thinks its better for the both of you, or her behavior relates to other people. Namely demanding you cut off female friends, starting fights with others that you have to clean up, starting beef with family because she needs to be number 1, etc. That is the chaos that comes from someone wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:47 PM
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You cant play both sides. For men you say men only care about sex when Im explaining that sex means something beyond just the sex itself, then with women you say it depends on the person and context with them looking for dollars spent as a proxy for love. Both men and women do this, just with different currencies. Either you say both have deeper meaning, or you say men only want sex and women only want money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:43 PM
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True, but I always felt every other category is better. Like if I had to grade life as a man or woman it would be this: Woman (assuming western): Career / Jobs: A (women in STEM programs, affirmative action, etc) Social safety / programs: A+ (legal bias toward women where women get less punishment for the same crimes, women's shelters, women's programs like girl scouts remaining when boy scouts are demolished. Women are wonderful affect) Friendships: A- (general trust of women / women are wonder…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:33 PM
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The way you frame that says to me this is a troll account. Youre violating rule 3 of this sub: no trolling. Say bye to this account!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:21 PM
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It’s interesting your account was created on October 10 of this year. The fact you’re here this early means this was not a natural place for you to fall into, you sought this place out. Which means either you were here already and got banned, created this account to troll, or are so butt hurt about a situation That you’re trying to find as many places to attack men as you can. The fact you won’t even answer my question shows you’re not here for real discourse, and I will be reporting you to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:06 PM
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I meant pick aside in terms of is it about the payment or is it about not reading instructions. You offered one first and then when that was proved wrong, you switched tactics. Real talk what man hurt you in your life to act like this? If the genders were reversed, would you say the same thing about a man who entered a woman’s apartment and film her naked?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:03 PM
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OK, so I think you’ve answered it as you just just really want to hate men. It’s literally not what happened, the door was not wide open, depending on the story it was either unlocked, which means she deliberately opened it, or it was cracked open, neither of which is an indication to enter the premises. By your own logic, say she didn’t read those instructions, which is still an issue on her part, she should’ve knocked on the door. Instead, she threw open the door to record him. I also like how…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:59 PM
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Women do this all the time with money and giftgiving yet would not say the same thing about that. Sex is a currency that men equate to showing genuine interest in them. The same way women say if you don’t spend a certain amount of money on the engagement ring you don’t actually want me to be your wife, if you don’t spend a certain amount on the first date or take me to a nice restaurant you don’t really care about me, etc. yet when women think about these things, they don’t say nor admit they re…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:57 PM
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Technically assets are split when they’re put in a joint capacity, so if he had a private account that his wife doesn’t have access to she shouldn’t get any of that. I think she should get nothing, because clearly she didn’t contribute anything to this relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:52 PM
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Have you never used DoorDash? She already was paid, you paid the minute you submit the order. He literally put instructions to leave it at his door, not go inside. Either you’re 12 years old and just got your first heartbreak, you’re extremely desperate to hate men for whatever reason, or you’re trolling. Or youre Amish.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:49 PM
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Career women for some. It sounds like the dream that you can find a girl who can match your earnings, until they prioritize that career over you and have the additional chip that they refuse to consider children or if they want them will essentially make you the stay at home parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:03 AM
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Why are you deliberately ignoring the part she OPENED HIS DOOR.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:21 AM
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I mean, kill all men with trending on Twitter for a while. I don’t think there’s another group where you’re allowed to say that and it’s allowed to be trending on a major social media platform. Kill all anything when it’s not men would immediately be taken down.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:21 AM
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Look I said fairly famous. I already know your game anyway you’ve admitted to me in a different thread that you’re here for entertainment purposes so I’m done trying to actually be a good member here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:17 AM
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https://podcastcharts.byspotify.com They’re number 38 on the top podcast ahead of Ben Shapiro and financial audit. I would still say they’re fairly famous, definitely Internet famous but yes, a random guy in the street probably hasn’t heard of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:15 AM
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I would say they’re fairly famous. Their YouTube channel has 2 million subscribers, their most viewed video has 43 million views. I don’t know their Spotify numbers, but I would imagine those were higher given They are a podcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:08 AM
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I can at least address who he is and why people care. He’s a famous podcaster and comedian who in part made a lot of of his comedy around his wife and relationship, how much he loves his wife, and notably, mocked red pill ideology when they came on his show about how wrong they are. His primary evidence was his relationship with his wife and how strong it was, And he essentially heavily utilized the fact he’s in a marriage as evidence that the red pill guys didn’t know what a good relationship l…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:42 AM
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I think the point is why does she even get anything? They don’t have a kid so there’s no actual sacrifice to her career, and in fact, she’s gaining a career off of this controversy and started a podcast because her husband is famous. She should get absolutely zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:36 AM

Exactly 50-50 in all categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:58 AM
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lol look at the comments literally the majority of women are claiming that’s gross and unwomanly to do so. Ask your fellow women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:57 AM
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No there not and this is why all of congress is decrepit and making poor decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:50 PM
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So why is it suddenly bad that men are realizing its a dumb idea? Whats weird is the prioritization of bad behavior as long as its male is great, but apparently men getting smart is a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:42 AM

You consistently misconstruing what I’m saying because you have some Boner about lecturing men. You’re proving my point about why old women shouldn’t be here, because like you they’re here for not actual debate or discourse reasons. I never said age immediately disqualified someone’s opinion, I said you’re more likely to not understand what’s actually going on. There’s no proof that these old people actually share into the discussion because several have admitted that they’re only here for rage …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:53 PM
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There’s not but you are taking up space and having an opinion that’s extremely dated. It’d be like a 35-year-old who consistently goes to Chuck E. Cheese. At some point, you’re ruining the vibe and misleading people on who actually should be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:46 PM
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Then don’t be here. Why are you here? OP brought up a great point there’s so many old people here and it makes no sense for them to be here when they could focus on their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:12 PM
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You’re not though, you’re adding your own commentary. A guy says humans wouldn’t exist without women, you say artificial wombs will solve that. You’re not stopping at asking the question, you’re countering when a guy says why men need women. You clearly have an agenda here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:08 PM

It’s true that age does not affect the words someone says, but it does affect the likelihood that they are aware of what’s going on. So far in this thread, a handful of older folk have recognized the difficulties, but most assume it’s all fake or it’s all exaggerated. So it’s not like they are incapable of understanding, but rather they’re out of touch and not looking deeply in the literature, simply because they have less incentive to do so. It’s not a fault of being old either, anyone does thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:06 PM
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To me though I think approaching does change your intentions because there’s more risk to it. My risk appetite is far greater if I only invest five dollars versus if I invest 500, the same applies to asking someone out. If I work up the courage to ask someone out in a bar, I don’t want it to go wrong, meaning I want to recuperate some value if I don’t hear what I want to hear. Because I don’t wanna look a fool up there, I will go up, strike up a conversation, and ask about what she wants And if …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:54 PM
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Anytime someone answers you with legitimate reason why men need women you immediately come back with a response why in reality men don’t need women. It seems you’re already are convinced that men don’t need women, why are you doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:20 PM
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What is the point of your post then? What are you actually fishing for here?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:19 PM
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Because women don’t have to do any of that, especially today. Today, you as a woman can start an only fans, post pictures of your feet, and earned 5K a month doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:16 PM
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Car ownership is steadily decreasing. I think all society is slowly recognizing The whole system is broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:14 PM
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And yet you find yourself years later on Reddit debating dudes 10 years younger than you, I wonder if some self reflection would’ve paid off
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:13 PM

That’s an incredibly non-nuanced take. Say there’s only one grocery store in town, and that grocery store charges 20 bucks to enter the grocery store even if you don’t buy anything. Say someone cannot afford the 20 bucks, are you going to tell them they should somehow find a different grocery store even if there’s none in town? That’s what this sounds like to me, And yes, online dating is becoming the only grocery store in town. The links I provided show that, when the majority of people meet th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:47 PM
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I am reading what you’re saying, but I just don’t think it’s accurate. I think the majority of men who do approach are the types that just want something, and they’re trying to keep all options open. Typically if you’re cold approaching, you’re looking at them And their physical form more than the actual person, so dudes who cold approach are much more likely to be interested in a casual encounter rather than a long-term relationship. However, women who get approached could be equally interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:45 PM

Addressing in order: Yes, there were examples of long-distance relationships in the past as well as true cold events like blind dating, but my point is that these were the minority in the past and the majority was more local dating where you are a keenly aware of people and who they were. I’m not arguing for any of my points that it’s a light switch where suddenly at a specific year the world changed,but I do think it is significantly changed and perhaps if there was a light switch moment, it wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:41 PM
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According to game theory lying is the best way to get what you want because it preserves all options, and I think you’re assuming a lot of these men know exactly what they want when in reality many men operate that they want one thing but will settle for another. It’s exactly why many men respond with I’m down for whatever when asked what relationship they want, Because either way they go they’re either wanting a long-term relationship, but will settle for a short term, or looking for a short te…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:42 PM

You said that nothing is new under the sun, which I think literally to mean you literally nothing is new. If you met that metaphorically fine. That’s what I’m getting You are meaning nothing has changed. You are correct that many of these studies indicate online which include online sources that are not dating apps. However, when people use that argument, I think people forget that online still starts out as you being a stranger, much of the same degree as a dating app. Let’s say you meet your p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:32 PM

It has just to entice men to keep on the app. For example, on coffee meet bagel, a fairly popular dating app, it will let you know if a girl is popular and can take up to 10 days to receive a message. So if I like an attractive girl on coffee meets bagel, it will let me know that she won’t receive my like or message until 10 days later. Now imagine the raw amount of likes and messages she gets even after 10 days, not to mention the people paying to skip the line. In my personal experience, it’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:20 PM

You’re so desperate to deny the truth. That’s saying of the entire population of men and women, I’m pointing out that over 50% of GenZ people are on a dating app. Of course I’m not looking to date a 40-year-old woman online. Besides, of the entire population 1/4 of women on dating app is still crazy. That means out of every four women you look at, including middle-aged women, one of them is on dating app. That’s still wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:16 PM

That’s fair, I also think another factor is what city you’re in, because if any city in New York is probably one that’s always gonna be happening no matter what’s going on. The city I was in notably declined during and after Covid, so much so that population decreased as people were leaving. That also may be jaded my experience, where other cities rebounded much faster I don’t think the apps actually changed much compared to a year ago, but I’ve never had success with the free model, except when…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:48 PM

https://www.forbes.com/health/dating/dating-statistics/#:~:text=How%20Old%20Are%20People%20Using,13%25%20of%20people%20age%2065+ According to Forbes 53% of people between 18 and 29 used dating apps. You forget that if you use it a handful of times a year it still counts using it. You do realize I’m using the first link to indicate what’s going on in today’s era right do you just ignore every study That’s not done last week? Of course I’m saying that 2021 study is valid today, I’m literally sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:37 PM
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To my knowledge, there is not one that exists that is specifically for 20 to 30 people to discuss larger dating topics. There is dating advice and dating subs, but I found theyre focused on individual instances advice for specific situations, not generic discussions about the concepts of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:32 PM
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https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/most-american-couples-meet-online-survey-shows/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20more%20than%2050,dating%20and%20marriage%20over%20time. I don’t think you understand the implications of dating apps prior to dating apps things are much more about your local community and so your options of actually getting successful much better. Now that there’s an online marketplace whichwhat stopping a woman from shopping for a guy an hour away? Especially true if he will come a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:26 PM
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How was it a monopoly before? In fact, I would argue is very much not a monopoly because before online dating, it was very local to your community, meaning option options were limited, and therefore more evenly spread in terms of success. If you mean monopoly in that before the primary way was going out to bars and meeting, socially, this is also not true. Historically it was pretty even the split between college, friends, and going out. Additionally, unlike today’s world you could have a local …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:21 PM
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https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/most-american-couples-meet-online-survey-shows/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20more%20than%2050,dating%20and%20marriage%20over%20time. I’m sorry, but you’re just wrong that the game has not changed. Algorithms now run most dating apps because most dating apps are now under one parent company, the match group. Additionally with AI people are genuinely electing to have an AI relationship over a real one. Most people meet their partners online, which means the read…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:17 PM
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https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/most-american-couples-meet-online-survey-shows/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20more%20than%2050,dating%20and%20marriage%20over%20time. The game has fundamentally changed because other options are now not really available
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:15 PM
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You need some sort of scientific way to do it though. If you just disregard anyone you disagree with with no actual reasoning behind it, you’ll just end up an echo chamber of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:13 PM
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Then what’s the right sub? Apparently everyone here is just trolling or sending out their personal grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:11 PM
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YES! it’s not hard to understand lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:10 PM
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This is a gender and dating debate sub, not a life advice sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:08 PM
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https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/most-american-couples-meet-online-survey-shows/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20more%20than%2050,dating%20and%20marriage%20over%20time. Firstly, you did use different technology. The Internet you had was structurally different and did not have the algorithms they do today that cater content in order to gain ad revenue. In 2005 most websites were individual forums where you had to cultivate a community to get to know people, nowadays Search engines are far better,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:04 PM
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I disagree. I’m the same age bracket and I think Covid dramatically changed how we all interact. I remember commuting five days a week to work, and I remember social events after work at bars. Now people go to work 2 to 3 days a week and generally keep to themselves and their groups. I think that’s just made the app game so much more important. Also apps have consolidated to be under one parent company. Apps were far more independent 10 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:01 PM
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Because you haven’t dealt with our technology or our social rules. I’m tired of married dude saying just ask her girl out when you can have your life ruined if said girl posted lies on the Internet. You’ve never had to deal with a climate that’s so malicious towards interaction, nor had to deal with an algorithm deciding how attractive you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:58 PM

Approximately 60% of Gen Z men are single compared to about 30% of Gen Z women who are single, meaning about 40% of Gen Z men and 70% of Gen Z women are in a relationship. However, the data on overall relationship status varies, with some surveys indicating a higher percentage of single Gen Z adults overall. Roughly 10% of Gen Z men identify as LGBT, compared to 30% of GenZ women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:54 PM

These are all fair responses, but I don’t think they are common understandings in today’s world. Women mostly have said cold approaches are not allowed anymore, and it a relic of the past, which means if you as a man still do it, you’re ignoring all of that as well as Going over her boundaries. If the world suddenly didn’t care anymore than yes, I would say there is no moral association with being proactive, I think today’s climate at minimum, you are socially unaware if you are consistently ask…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:50 PM
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The connection of extra pressure and lying is that if you do feel extra pressure, you are incentivized to want the best outcome for yourself because you want all your anxiety to be worth it as it would suck to be rejected after all that. It’s exactly why a lot of men who approach ask vague questions about relationship intents because they’re trying to secure something, Because they work themselves up to ask and don’t wanna be socially embarrassed. I get what you’re saying that not all guys would…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:45 PM

I don’t think you are tuned in. The 4B movement is a complete separation for men and demanding they stay away. The phrase kill all men was trending on Twitter, not too long ago. There’s a large cohort of women who genuinely hate men and want nothing to do with them, as evidenced by higher rates of singleness and lesbianism in women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:27 PM
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For women it’s not. Women constantly state that the realities of their sexuality mean that it’s far riskier for a woman to have a casual encounter than it is for a man to have a casual encounter. But also would mean that women approaching a man has a higher barrier to entry because she’s a evaluating the risks, which means it’s very unlikely that she’s lying because it’s for more dangerous to her than it is if a man were to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:18 PM

I think if you believe this, you have to talk to other women because right now the majority opinion of women is that there is not a time and a place and that in person interaction should be shut down. The current climate shows that these type of men that you want will be less and less able to actually ask you out. It’s also interesting you’re immediately assuming all positive associations with confidence and all negative associations with not asking out. The guy who asked you out could be delusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:16 PM

I think it would definitely deemphasize traits like assertiveness in women’s interest. If they ask put more men, they will more likely reward men who are still attractive, but are socially awkward, and that may change the overall mix of what is seen as attractive. In that I think by definition because you are Reducing one criteria more men will be selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:12 PM
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I feel like I pretty clearly laid out that asking men that would help in getting a committed partner versus waiting to be asked out, do you have a response to that or just simply don’t believe it would work?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:11 PM

Sure, but I’m not arguing that asking out as a woman is 100% guarantee to be successful, just that you’re likely to get more commitment if you do that. Have you felt this way? Of the men who were ready to have that conversation, were they very committal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:10 PM

I’m not because I’m not making a claim about a gender, I’m making a claim about a particular behavior. It’s like I’m saying if you steal you’re likely a bad person, but I’m not saying men are bad people because they commit more robberies. I think it’s completely fair to associate being assertive with at minimum focusing on your own needs over the woman you ask out needs, especially in the context of a cold approach. It’s not cope because it’s tied to direct behavior which illustrates their menta…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:09 PM

You don’t have to abandon future generations, but frankly, I think of all the categories of life dating has probably changed the most. How dating is today is fundamentally different than it was 20 years ago, and I would even argue it’s fairly different than it was 10 years ago. There’s plenty of data to back this up, meeting your partner online is now the majority way people meet, which is not the case 10 years ago. Dating apps have fundamentally changed over the last 20 years, as well as the us…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:05 PM

It’s not about me. I truly think if women did ask out more men, I probably would not be asked out, as I personally view myself in the bottom third of men. I just think it would help their complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:58 PM

All I read are complaints from women about how men should not approach because it’s aggressive, and that the ones they let through who do approach don’t commit. If the consensus truly is neither of these things are true then yes this post is irrelevant, but I’m going off of what I’ve read and seen as the main complaints and the volume of them which seems fairly high.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:57 PM
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It’s not that I don’t think men who don’t approach don’t lie, it’s that I think they have less incentive to lie. If you were asking someone out, you are saying you are valuing your romantic needs over their evening and since of safety. You are bothering someone else to get what you want, And there are costs associated with that. Namely that it’s risky and so if it’s risky, you’re going to lie to try to make it work out, and likely you are desperate enough to do it therefore, you have extreme foc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:56 PM

By definition if you are assertive enough to insert yourself in that position and ask a woman out, you are saying you value your own romantic needs over her needs for safety and you are bothering them to get what you want. You are right that it doesn’t eliminate the concept of long-term love, but someone who is that assertive is likely operating selfishly And really it’s only thinking about getting his dick wet. It doesn’t say anything about long or short term intentions, but it does say he’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:53 PM

By definition it is aggressive because say take a cold approach, the guy is saying I value my romance needs over your needs to have a calm and safe evening. He’s inherently putting himself over you, and I think by saying all men view women as objects you’re excusing that fact to continue to be the passive one in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:47 PM
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Negative experiences can be just as addictive. There’s a whole category of rage bait content, both sides are equally addicted.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:26 AM
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OK, if you’re that set in your ways, you can’t complain about the quality of men you attract. Also, you say you’re middle-aged, why are you here? All due respect how you operate doesn’t really matter because you are not the next generation. If you’re here in middle age, I would question the history of your choices because anyone who is happily married and middle-aged wouldn’t be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:24 AM
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You’ve never had a problem asking women out or getting good men to ask you out?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:23 AM
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OK, how does that apply here? In fact, I would argue it makes my point stronger because men would actively lie are the ones who were approaching,
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:22 AM
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Your analogy to an employer is flawed because you’re not scaling the importance of the employee appropriately. If dating is about trying to find a marriage partner, then that would be like trying to find your CEO, which the vast majority of companies do outreach or hire a specific search firm for. You are correct for your average line worker but that shouldn’t be what you’re searching for in dating, nor do I think that’s what most women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:20 AM
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OK, I still don’t think that justifies not being appreciative of him being in your life. That would almost imply You could take him or leave him, which I don’t think is a healthy level of attachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:58 AM
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My point is that you deferring to him for financial decisions when you are the one who’s proven to be more successful financially is a dumb decision. You’re deferring to someone who has less actual power than you because it turned you on more, which is a dumb choice. You deluding yourself into thinking your man has more power than you, which is my problem. You can defer to someone who has more expertise than you do or who’s better at certain things than you are, but if you earn more than your ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:57 AM
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This is not about me personally. I’m simply stating that for women who do complain, they should ask more men out because that would solve the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:53 AM
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That’s fine, but my point is that these women then should not complain as much as they do about these assertive men not committing because they’re choosing that trait in a partner, or if they wanna keep complaining, they have to change their behavior. Men change their behavior to better get dates all the time, why can’t women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:53 AM
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Appreciative of their existence and continued support of you. Men think the same way that they’re interested in a woman for their looks, personality, etc., but it’s also appreciation of following through with that, and doing things for you. I assume boyfriend in the past took you out, bought you, flowers, etc. Were you never appreciative of any of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:51 AM
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It would change the value of assertiveness which may help more men. There’s a whole category of men who complain that their key issue in dating is not looks but their social anxiety and social skills. If assertiveness is not at a premium, these types of guys would be helped significantly simply because that expectation is no longer on them. I think that would also help out men in that they only have to work on their attractiveness and not their assertiveness, which is one battle versus two.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:50 AM
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I am, I’m saying that men who are appreciative of women are attracted to them. This is not even controversial, men often say they are appreciative of women who do housework, support them emotionally, in the case of these athletes men are attracted to schools who are appreciative of them, for men appreciation is a key part of being attracted to a woman. it’s also why men who are not appreciative of women don’t commit to them, because they don’t believe they’re actually adding anything to their li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:45 AM
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This post is not concerned with guys and dating, this post is concerned with women who complain about guys they date not committing to them. In no way did I claim this solution helps guys, so I don’t think it’s relevant. Additionally, I actually do think it helps guys slightly, in that there’s probably a small portion of men who don’t have confidence who actually are attractive that get asked out if say women were 50-50 asking people out, additionally, you would put much less of a premium on ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:43 AM
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What do you mean? it feels like every day women on here complain that men who go after them are not committing, this is a solution to that problem
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:41 AM
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Financials are the key determine who is real power. You can say your man is all the power and decision-making, but if he’s making less than you at the end of the day, he’s using your resources to make joint decisions, not all of his resources. Without you, he wouldn’t have the same level of financial power that he does. If your man is in addition to your life, and you made it all on your own, being submissive does not make any sense. You’re completely fine by yourself, which means you don’t need…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:40 AM
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I guess in this scenario it either or, but I guess technically probably the coach because in sports the coach is the one who puts forth the guys he wants and actively recruits them. In sports the coach and school typically go hand-in-hand, but the coach would be more personal and I guess is who you go with. Probably one of the most interesting examples is Damian Lillard, who only had one offer when he was a zero ranked prospect to Weber state which is a tiny school in Utah, and when he got good …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:38 AM
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I don’t think you actually understand what submission really is that. This is like a queen submitting to a knight, because if he actually was that dominant, he himself would be a king.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:33 AM
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Because the institutions really want them. There’s literally hundreds of videos of athletes doing a committing reveal and the whole arena or gym is shocked that they picked a local school over Alabama, Michigan, etc. When asked why they were almost always say they felt a really good connection with the coach and they were promised opportunity. The most common example is quarterbacks following a specific coach that really wants them and believes in them. When a coach leaves a school, it’s almost …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:31 AM
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Honestly, this just sounds like a lot of bitterness. No one of any group is all the same as everyone else. Women, men, race, whatever category no individuals are all the same. In fact, the guy not pursuing you at bare minimum does not want to bother you. A guy who’s being assertive feels that the opportunity for a relationship and his romantic needs are more important than your evening or sense of safety. By definition, a guy who doesn’t ask you out is at least caring about you wanting to be ask…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:27 AM
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Sure, but if you submit to a guy who poor than you, then what is the point of him being dominant? It just sounds like you’re being submissive to a guy who is worse off than you are. In fact, you have actual power and are the dominant one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:25 AM
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It does indicate that the man is appreciative of the woman, and also finds her unique, because most women would not do that. Again, most men have never been asked out in their life, so by definition that makes the woman unique. By the way, many institutions do this very strategy. In college sports, for example many lower tier programs secure higher ranked prospects because they seek them out, meet with their family, and do all they can to show they really value them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:24 AM
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Well, I think there is something wrong if you think on a societal level. As a society were progressing towards 50-50, and in your scenario in order for you to submit to a man, the man has to earn more than you, which is shrinking the possible mates for you. A society where majority of women want to submit to a man or the majority of men want a woman to submit to them when economics are 50-50 is impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:21 AM
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You’re free to think whatever you want, but I think saying a general platitude like that is not helpful nor is accurate. If you assume all men are opportunists you must also think that of aggressive men, even more so because they’re actively trying to create an opportunity for themselves like a true opportunist would. A more passive guy would not view that opportunity so desperately where he needs to create one for himself
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:16 AM
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As for your flair red pill means a lot of things these days. The actual definition has been extremely warped so I can’t really assume anything. I also think the majority of people disagree with you. Economically women are getting more and more opportunities, the rate at which women are becoming majority earners in relationships is increasing, and all stats in terms of career going more towards 50-50 participation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:14 AM
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And I’m agreeing with that, I’m saying more women should or at least try it out. I think a lot of women who consistently complain about the quality of men they attract. Should actually try to get what they want and see how that goes, and a lot of women likely would be fine asking a man out, but just are stuck in a gender role that society says for them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:12 AM
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That’s fine, but know that the trait of the courage to ask women out usually comes with other aggressive traits and you have to be more accepting power and ask you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:11 AM
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OK then. Don’t ever complain then if a guy says he’s only attractive to housewives and submissive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:10 AM
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What I don’t understand is many women are already complaining that they are used for sex. In fact, I would think that a guy who is really trying to say anything to get with you is probably more likely to use you and the guy who maybe he’s interested but doesn’t have the confidence to ask you out. I would wager the guy who didn’t ask you out would be more appreciative of you making a move, vs the guy was willing to say whatever to get with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:09 AM
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Of course it’s a valid reason to say yes to a date. It says that you found something about me that you really like and made an effort to seek that out. Especially from a guy’s perspective it’s saying that you view me is somewhat unique and you want to lock it down, that’s definitely a reason to say yes. Also, apparently we live in the world now with there’s infinite reasons you can say no or break up with somebody. There’s constant threads on Reddit saying how you can break up with someone for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:07 AM
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By definition though you not directly asking him out is potentially leaving room on the table for him to be unaware. Never underestimate how unaware guys are, and in fact with the current climate of the me too movement, essentially saying that unless it’s explicitly wanted any indication should be treated as no romantic interest would actually prove that more and more men are assuming no romantic interest. The rate of socially unaware guys increasing not decreasing. My point is that you don’t kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:06 AM
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I expect all people to average to be rational. There’s no order to the world or society if people consistently think, rationally, which I don’t believe. I Believe in the efficient market hypothesis, which states for business People will average out to be rational, but make occasional irrational decisions. I do agree female orbiters exist, but disagree in that for men being an orbiter is view differently. I think most men would view that movie today and think the Will Smith character should’ve go…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:01 AM
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Yes, I can definitely agree to that, but I don’t think a woman asking a man makes her easy. In fact, I would argue that a woman accepting any aggressive men asking her out is the definition of easy, and a woman asking out a man she likes is actually a woman who knows what she wants and therefore is not easy. There’s also more respect from men for things they perceive is difficult, which is exactly why the double standard on sexuality exists between men and women. Men have a in group bias to not …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:33 PM
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Correct and I think most women have this approach where they try to look approachable, but my point is that women are still complaining that the men that they invite to approach them are not committing to them. I’m saying is more women who typically don’t ask men out should now ask men out because if they truly want someone who commits to them that seems to be a better solution. I think women who don’t ask out should artificially ask men out even if it doesn’t feel right to do so because they wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:25 PM
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The logical connection to me is that there are plenty of men who don’t know that you’re interested because men are more direct communicators. There’s also plenty of men who are not delusional or overconfident, and in fact are under confident in their looks, and so by asking them out, not only are they not aggressive and overconfident, which means they’re likely to commit to you more because they have a more subdued sense of self and would be appreciative of such efforts because they have a lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:24 PM
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Props for you being solid in your viewpoint, but just note that it’s a minority among both men and women. If you look at other women’s responses and threads in the sub, I think you’ll find that most women don’t agree with you, but props on sticking to your beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:17 PM
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I don’t know to me it feels like most young women are complaining about this. Fuckbois are a very common complaint and you see videos on every social media and plenty of threads on this sub complaining about noncommittal behavior. If I felt that it was truly a minority of complaints I wouldn’t make this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:16 PM
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Sure, some women do, but by no means is it 50-50 at this point. Just look at other women responding in this thread, the vast majority say they don’t, and some have even said they don’t respect if a man doesn’t approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:14 PM
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I disagree. I think all relationships have an appreciation angle to them, in that you appreciate them being in your life and continually choosing you. That appreciation could be resource wise or just their existence, but appreciation is a cornerstone of every relationship. I also think it could be a strong founding principle as it would mean they are appreciative that you went out of your way and that they recognized the effort that you’ve done. That original effort never goes away, which I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:13 PM
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I’m talking about women who complain that the men who asked them out are not committing to them. You may never accept a man who asks you out in a bar, but there’s already been several women in this thread that say they do not respect men who don’t ask them out and actually want them to be very aggressive. There’s a lot of women who complain that guys who follow your criteria of showing They really like you by asking you about are still not committing to them. It worked out for you, but apparentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:10 PM
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Yes, women do this, but the complaints I’ve heard from women are that the men who read these signals are not committing. You can say that’s how the world works, but apparently it’s not very successful. I’m arguing that women should ask men out because it will get through to them because men are more direct, and you’re going around the filter of aggressiveness to actually get a man who would commit to you and that you would like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:08 PM
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From personal experience and others experience, I disagree that it’s women who make men chase men actually value. One of the most common complaints from women is that once a marriage happens men stop caring about their looks, sometimes their career prospects, and in general women complain that it feels like men are not dating them anymore. By your logic, a man should never do this because he’s with the woman who really makes him Chase, unless you are arguing that women in marriages need to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:06 PM
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What I don’t understand is why you can’t respect non-assertive men. Men typically don’t do this with traditional feminine roles like homemaking, and in fact, there’s a good amount of fetishization of muscle mommies, tomboy, etc. Additionally, if you focus on aggressiveness as your main trait, then you’re going to get much more dangerous situations and you can’t really say than that it’s all men’s fault for sexual assault, because you are selecting for a more aggressive group.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:01 PM
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Interesting, I think you’re the first woman on here who is 100% OK with men approaching no matter how sexual or aggressive it is. Are you OK with then women reverting professionally? The complaint from many men is that if they still have to have the same gender roles in dating then we should have the same gender roles overall principally because there’s much less guarantee men can be the provider in today’s economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:59 PM
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That’s a fair concern, but my understanding of women’s complaints is that the men who are aggressive in approaching you are still not committing. I would imagine that is a worse outcome because you would feel lied to versus a guy you approach who never was that interested not committing is expected. I think you’re also discounting the men who would commit out of appreciation as men typically do not get much attention which would mean men who do would be very appreciative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:57 PM
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How do you define most though? I feel like if it’s truly that women are only attracted to .01% as black pill people say then the human race would’ve died out long ago. I also think that if women asked out men they are attracted to what traits are attractive would get redefined, as aggressiveness and assertiveness would not have a premium. I feel like that would open up Opportunity for a lot of socially awkward guys who are still attractive and I think that’s a much better definition of who Chad …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:55 PM
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I understand this perspective, but for my read of women’s complaints even the guys who get to know you and ask you out aren’t committing. I would imagine that’s much more painful because you feel lied to versus a guy you ask out and let’s say that guy was not appreciative and he doesn’t wanna commit It’s much more par for the course. Additionally, you’re discounting the guys who would be appreciative and commit out of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:53 PM
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I don’t think it’s necessarily a problem because who Chad is would actually get redefined. Currently Chad is someone who is so aggressive and attractive It doesn’t matter his red flags. If a woman has to ask out a guy, she’s putting far more initiative and work into it, which means she be less likely to just take whatever comes her way. I would then feel that who Chad is would be just as attractive, but the more mild mannered ones would get much more interest, which I think is a far better versi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:52 PM
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You bring up interesting points, I don’t know if that bias has to do with more how men actually are or if society has conditioned us to think that way. If we reset society tomorrow and actually made it 50-50, I don’t think men would have this bias nearly as much. I also think this bias doesn’t really have to do with the woman, but more men in general never get approached for anything and so anything seems like a scam. This is a true of jobs, women, friend groups, Etc. Men are just used to being …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:48 PM
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That’s a fine way to approach it, but my evidence is centered around psychology. What’s already been proven is The more someone wants something, the more they’re willing to push through social anxiety to get it, as well as studies have shown elite positions, such as being a CEO often comes with higher rates of type a personalities, psychopathy, overconfidence, etc. If a dude really wants a girl and he’s willing to make a fool of himself socially to do it that either means he does not feel social…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:43 PM
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That’s great, but there are plenty of women, especially on the sub who complained about how aggressive men are, that the men that approach them view them as an object, they don’t want to commit, and more. My point is that if you truly are most upset about that, then you should ask the guys out that would be better for you, and that would solve your problems. However, for you, you do not care about that And apparently don’t have a problem with it, so you must be OK with cold approaches, really se…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:38 PM
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That’s fine but then by doing that you know you’re opening the door to aggressive men that would either put you in danger or flake on you because they view you as an object. You entitled to like whoever you like, but you can’t say that and then in the same breath, complain about the guys you attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:36 PM
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That’s not my intent, because personally, I don’t think I’d actually would be asked out more. Personally, I believe I’m in the bottom 30% of men, so maybe if socially it was a 50-50 approach system maybe once in a very, very rare instance I would, but my intent here is to actually solve people’s problems. To me it would improve the gender discourse because women would be meeting guys They actually wanted versus viewing men as pretty garbage because they’re just getting the aggressive dude they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:35 PM
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That’s great for you, but I’m talking about the women who complain about the men who are after them They don’t find attractive or that the ones that do go out them are not committing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:33 PM
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Which this solution would solve. If a woman asked out a guy I would imagine she’d be very interested and that guy would be her type
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:32 PM
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That’s a fair concern, but I would say that many women already have a problem where guys do not want to commit and those the ones that actually ask them out. I don’t know the rates of noncommittal of someone who asked out versus someone who was asked out, but I would imagine a guy who got asked out would feel at minimum appreciative, and that at minimum the woman is wanting him, whereas a guy who asked the girl out does not have the same perspective. Youre far more likely to keep something going…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:31 PM
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If you don’t disagree, how does that even apply to your point about the man needing to love the woman more? Both will let themselves go slightly as you shouldn’t have to perform to be in a relationship. Please define what you think is treating someone shitty, because I don’t think you appreciate the effort and pressure men have to deal with in asking someone out. All men hope they don’t have to do that once they find a long-term partner, just as women hope they don’t have to put on make up or lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:39 PM
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Then I think you’re gonna have unsatisfactory relationships while you still have your mindset. Do you seriously believe your boyfriend should continually perform as if he’s dating you for the rest of his life? I’m not talking about going on a date night or relationship maintenance, I’m talking about the same level intensity as date one. If you do, I would self reflect about why you probably been historically disappointed in men your entire life, and it likely comes from a sense of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:35 PM
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As others have stated, this is really a personality trait not a gender thing, but what is a gender thing is typically men experience far less positive normal occurrences that outweigh the negative. Typically dudes have stories of girls doing them wrong, but don’t have a lot of stories of girls doing them right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:22 PM
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My problem with this mindset is that the whole reason you get into a relationship is to have someone who is supportive and appreciative of the real you. I get there’s nuance where you can’t completely let yourself go or become a violent alcoholic or something like that, but every time I hear women talk like this is essentially them expecting Their boyfriend to act like they’re still dating forever, which is just unrealistic. It’s unrealistic because men are the ones women out in paying for thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:20 PM
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Sure, but you still go out and protest and try to make a scene for issues you do care about more. You can claim you care about it, but I’ve never once seen to stop the draft protest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:24 PM
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The logic extends to any category where someone has an altered mental state. Including depression, bipolar, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:38 PM
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100% agree, that’s why most don’t speak on autistic dating
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:31 PM

Girl who hurt you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:40 PM
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That’s not how that statistic works. 8% are confirmed unfounded by the FBI, but that does not relate, nor confirm the rest of the 92%. The rest of the 92% could be slightly founded, he said she said, 50%, mostly founded, conviction, than anything in between. For example, if a guy initiated intimacy, and the girl went along with it, but later said she felt forced to, that wouldn’t count in either unfounded nor a convicted assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:03 PM
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No, that’s exactly what it means. I’m taking it Word for Word. If you believe that, the statement really means something else then you should write a different statement to accurately convey the right message. Word for Word believe all women means believing 100% of women. That’s literally what it means. Black Lives Matter it’s just a statement saying that Black Lives Matter as in they are important, which is a completely fine statement/slogan. Believe all women literally means believe 100% of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:14 PM
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No, it just means this is demonstrating the exact problem with generic statements and studies like this. For actual statistics for something to count as a false report, it must pass two burdens of proof, mainly that firstly an assault did not happen and secondly, the report was proven false. These are two separate gates, because even if an assault doesn’t happen, if the person reporting believes it happened It wasn’t a false report. One of the larger databases is the FBI, which shows 8% of sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:05 PM
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Your response from Google does not say anything about the specific phrase believe all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:02 PM
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Feel free to think about me however you wanna think about me, clearly this is the super emotionally charged topic for you and so you can never look at it logically. I don’t see how it’s dangerous for women to come forward, especially if you come directly to the police, at least any more dangerous compared to robbery or attempted murder. The slogan I oppose gets more power to exploiters than real victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:01 PM
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Studies range on how many are proven to be false, as well as as the larger category of unfounded. Currently literature states between two and 10% of all sexual assaults allegations are false, with the FBI as the highest main one at 8% being counted as unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:59 PM

Studies range between two and 10% for sexual assault. The highest being the FBI, which places the unfounded category at 8% reports. I do care about those false reports, but many of them can be proven quite quickly, and do not carry the same social stigma. For example falsely accusing someone of stealing is pretty easy to prove if you don’t have the item, and you usually don’t see massive social media campaigns For petty theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:57 PM
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You’re oversimplifying what I said in accidentally making a straw man out of it. I’m attacking the phrase believe all women, they all is the critical part. So that phrase is saying believe 100% of the women all the time. No one saying start with suspicion, but is saying start with a neutral position which all legal matters should start with. The Catholic Church example you used is the opposite problem where the movement is exactly trying to counter, but we should be trying to get them to neutral…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:56 PM
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Then let’s actually define the movement. To me the me to movement is about making it easier and more socially acceptable to come forward if you’ve been assaulted. The moment is not guarantee the court of public opinion, nor is it creating a special legal case where all women are to be believed, regardless of whatever evidence they have. I believe that women should not be pressured away from making report, nor do I believe that women should just stay silent. However, I also don’t believe that Me …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:59 PM
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Perfect answer to this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:55 PM
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Look any victim of any crime has to do the work and actually seek justice for themselves. Just because you felt ashamed and I know a lot of victims do, doesn’t mean that it’s society‘s problem that you did. If you were robbed, you have to seek justice, if your friend was murdered, you have to seek justice on their behalf. At some point people have to handle what comes to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:54 PM
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Where are you getting that men don’t see sexual assault as a problem? I literally said on my last paragraph none of this is an excuse to decrease the movement. I feel like you’re reading this very cheaply that because I don’t 100% believe every single woman and therefore somehow OK with sexual assault. You know way better than that. If my mother came to me with that information, I would do both at the same time I’ll give her emotional support, be empathy, hugs, etc. but I also try to figure out …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:52 PM
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Literally nothing. You’re reading this like I’m saying I’m trying to kill the movement, I’m literally just saying stop using that phrase because logically it cannot be true and just harms the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:45 PM
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I literally also said it’s not an excuse to shrink it down. I don’t think you actually read my full post. My evidence is that objectively it’s not hard to do. If you think about it logically asking someone to stop using a particular phrase is a lot easier than your segregation example because you physically don’t have to do anything except change your wording. As for my evidence as to why it wouldn’t harm the movement to do so, because if you truly feel that you were assaulted, you will want tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:44 PM
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Please read my last paragraph because I literally said this is not an excuse to stop the movement. Additionally, I think there’s levels to this and you’re conflating a very small ask which is to not use the phrase believe all women and recognize that some women may exploit it to legal segregation and forced economic oppression. Also, your grandmother is technically right, but the consequences of that would mean it would take far longer to actually implement civil rights and people were dying Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:33 PM
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Unfortunately, I think it’s a common problem for every crime. Someone who got robbed will also be re-traumatized by going through that experience in the trial and seeing the robber. In order to get justice, you’d have enough personal strength to seek it, and so I don’t think it’s a good excuse The try to socially pressure justice when the victim can’t actively seek it. In terms of communication, I think trying to prevent someone from also experiencing it is fair game, so if a woman personally kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:28 PM
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I never said that, I am saying that by you having this attitude you’re actively preventing people from wanting to join your cause. It’s one thing to say it’s not my job to convince people, but what you’re doing is actively harming your cause by furthering that agenda. It’s not even being nice to men, it’s being factually accurate that some women will exploit. It just sounds like you’re denying a statistical fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:26 PM
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My understanding was it was always believe all women, so you’ll need to provide a source saying originally wasn’t. Ask for what to do Yes calling out bad actors, but also policing how people phrase it. Kill all men was trending on Twitter not long ago, and we didn’t see a lot of women tweeting that we shouldn’t be talking like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:21 PM
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I wouldn’t phrase it that way because I think it’s still implies believing all women. I would personally for it like listen to all stories, because it’s saying you should hear everyone, but it doesn’t imply you must believe them. In general statistics around sexual assault and false reports are difficult to ascertain because you need 100% confirmation either way for the count. It’s exactly why women claim rape is under reported because someone is not designated a rapist unless it’s 100% proven, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:19 PM
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I would say for me personally to limit is one on one interactions in any form. So sure a woman could direct message or text an experience to another girl, but I think posting on social media is the line because you’re immediately setting up a situation where many women versus that one guy, Which the point court is to actually investigate fairly. Additionally I wouldn’t say you shouldn’t but I personally feel that all you should really be able to talk about is if you were uncomfortable with the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:14 PM
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I can at least speak to Johnny Depp and Aziz. For Johnny Depp, that was the famous Amber heard trial, were recording was recovered showcasing Amber literally admitted to lying in front of Johnny as a way to ruin his reputation and as a threat to do what she wanted. So in that case, it was explicitly proven that she was lying for the sake of pettiness and control. For Aziz, his situation was that he went on a date with a girl, after that date, she came to his place separately where physical intim…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:12 PM
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Firstly, I don’t believe that, and secondly, then your opinions definitely do hurt your cause because by upholding the idea that all women are to be believed, you are allowing other women to exploit that and therefore harm the reputation and believability of actual victims. You’re creating a boy who cried wolf situation For the people you’re trying to protect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:05 PM
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I’m totally fine with that because that’s an interpersonal matter, and not attempting to exploit the movement. I assume you mean an interpersonal interaction like a woman personally warning another woman about an experience, which is totally fine. I don’t support making a public claim as not in proven in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:03 PM
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I assume to hold rapist accountable and prevent sexual assault, like anyone’s goal is. To achieve more of that you need men support for more awareness, pushing of legislation, and policing other men. If your goal is just revenge, I can’t help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:01 PM
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Are you talking about people who are rightfully brought to justice, or people who are falsely accused? I’ll provide both. Rightfully: Kevin Spacey, R. Kelly, P Diddy, Epstein, which we will see how far is connections will get punished, and plenty more Wrongfully: Johnny Depp, Aziz Ansari, plenty more
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:00 PM

Please read my last paragraph. I see you on here so much and I know you really hate men, but I literally said this is no excuse to stop the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:54 PM
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I’m gonna need statistics on both of those fonts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:53 PM
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You do know by framing it that way men are less likely to support you, which you need to get lasting change? I’m sorry that happened to you, and in general, this problem does not occur with children because children aren’t necessarily looking to exploit for social points, but by taking it personally you are negatively impacting your own goals
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:53 PM
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First step is to stop using the phrase believe all women. That type of phrase is very harmful because not only does it empower exploiters that they will always have the ability to exploit, but it makes men not want to believe in the general movement. I think if women acknowledged that some women exploit they would get far more support from men because they’re acknowledging the corner case. I think the next step is to change how we prosecute sexual assault cases. Ideally, it would be name blind a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:51 PM
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I think it’s the right way to go about it because unless the majority of people participating are exploiting, it still is a good program. However, do you use the phrase “believe all women”? If so, that’s the point I’m making, just like you could not say SNAP always delivers food to the right people
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:42 PM
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No, your words really do affect your point. It’s not nitpicking if it dramatically changes the definition of what you’re talking about. A side eye shouldn’t stop anyone from doing what they actually want, because you wouldn’t even notice it the majority of the time. Where as if you’re talking about verbal confrontation or say financial control from parents, that is genuine social oppression. You’re making up a fake world to fit a narrative, because I do not believe there is a mass judgment prior…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:38 PM
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2015? Really? That’s so delusional. Remember your original comment was that a relationship for women socially was extreme pressure, but now you’re talking about it just being a side eye. Men and women today get side eye for not being in a relationship, but that doesn’t mean actual social oppression. Either you’re arguing that the pressure was significant enough to force women to act in which case you gotta go back way further than 2015, you’re saying the social pressure is not that extreme and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:26 PM
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Hell no lmao it would be awkward
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:25 AM

How long ago did it become truly optional because all my bosses are women and many are 50 years old
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 02:03 AM
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To me the problem with this mindset is that it’s an extremely self centered and selfish view on the purpose of relationships. It used to be a key part of getting into one was learning about another person, their interests, supporting them, and learning to love someone else. If an AI can replace that then you never were interested in learning about someone else a relationship to you was always about your needs being met. I think another downside of the internet is instant gratification and so get…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:14 PM

Sure there is variety, but I think it sort of self evident that if a man values stability he wouldn’t have 10 girls in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 05:06 PM
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Do you have any evidence for this in study form?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:02 PM
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It definitely can though. for example in trans women studies have shown they report higher pornography usage and porn addiction prior to transitioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:01 PM
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I’m not a fan of age relationships but you’re doing a lot of assuming here. You’re assuming if an older guy is not wealthy it must be that he’s attractive. There’s a surprisingly large amount of women who just find older dudes more attractive in general, and when you ask them about it, it’s the fact they are gruff, disheveled, or the case of women who like older, but professional men more put together. For some women age itself can be the attractive part. Especially if there’s something in their…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:58 PM

I agree with you in concept, but disagree with you in practice. Theoretically, yes, more experience would make someone better, but this would require anyone with high amounts of experience to be extremely self reflective and take on equal amounts of blame when it’s not human nature. Most people have a tendency to blame other people for their own mistakes, or call previous experiences either traumatic if they were the victim or call the other person who wasted their time problematic if they were …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:14 PM

You’re conflating two separate things. Sex is a biological imperative because without it we die as a species. I think you’re the one who’s conflating it with evangelical fear mongering because no one has been taking that and saying there must be mandatory sex with a random women. Men are not on here asking for public orgies in the park, and treat nakedness between men and women the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:09 PM
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I would say no if there’s any element that I can control because then I am coping out by selecting a product that will like me versus actually doing the work to find someone. Additionally, part of the whole point of dating is to discover new things and learn to love someone else, but you can’t do with an AI product because they’re already designed to like what you like. I would say the only way you could do it is if a company produces a number of AI models with set personalities where the people…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:07 PM
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Because if you don’t like him, you will think he’s insignificant and what’s the point of commenting on it. In fact, if you don’t like him and comment, you’re giving him extra attention and more views, so you would ignore him. That leads only people who like him will comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 08:02 PM
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Lmao you’re using men in your title as catch all, you know what you’re doing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:57 PM
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So you do not communicate like an adult. Every adult institution communicate like this. Contracts are written with explicit things you can and can’t do and what punishments will come of them, work operates this way as well with explicit instructions on your actual job duties and when to expect to do them. Why would a relationship suddenly not be the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:56 PM
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So then I’m confused. Why would high investment change any of this, in fact it would make you look even more desperate. Low investment would make it appear that you have options and make you more desirable, why would constantly trying to flirt with them make this any better or actually change your position in the friends zone?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:52 PM
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A bit hyperbolic, but I think it is true. If you’re hanging out with young women in a group social setting, that means you’re not a loser and actually do have a life, but if you’re like this guy and constantly hanging around them for no other reason that hope one will find you attractive then yes, you are a loser. Many women’s hobbies don’t typically overlap much, and as a straight male friend, you have to do a lot of emotional labor that goes into the boyfriend category.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:51 PM

And here lies the difference between men and women. In most men’s experiences, this is not how women work, if you as a man do something wrong. She will immediately start comparing you to other experiences and the countdown clock can start. Man would much rather have someone they know likes them and won’t compare versus the top possible option. Is exactly why when men talk about girls they like you actually get a very wide range in each group, because the bias to select someone who actually will …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:45 PM

What? Why do you want to be naked? Clothing is objectively good for you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:42 PM
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I disagree to some extent. Fuckbois often lie and manipulate and because they have multiple women around them no single woman could ever be good enough. The whole point to them is access without commitment and variety. If there’s a dude with 10 women actively wanting him I don’t think any single woman could be good enough to replace nine others
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 04:19 PM
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Of course they do, but they view them from the lens of autism. As such they cannot be impartial nor speak on NT dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:09 PM
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Great then stay out of subs desired around neurotypical dating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:08 PM
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Most people don’t manage under 30. 2/3 men under 30 are single, 2/3 women under 30 are in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:13 PM
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You’re not getting it. I said those things as examples of general platitudes women say they want but can’t agree on how it’s done. Same with how men want women to be supportive, there’s wide disagreement on how that’s done
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:13 PM
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No it’s not women on here have the same disagreements. Some want to be approached because that’s what real men do, others say approaching is gross and creepy. Most women on here say they want men to not be creeps but women don’t agree what that means. You’re asking for an impossibility
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:00 PM
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Right but YOU are autistic no? Which means of course normal people may not be right for you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:58 PM
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Men are not a monolith just like women are not a monolith. If you’ve ever gotten mad at someone for saying all women do x you should check yourself as according to you women too should all talk and decide what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:55 PM
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No you should be listened to but your experience is highly narrow and from a specific perspective that most don’t share. It’s like someone who’s asexual trying to comment on relationships. You chose them because you want to stay in your bubble
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:54 PM
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So I’m going to stop talking to you because you are autistic and can’t seem to grasp how long dating actually takes and how Machiavellian normal people are
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:45 PM
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If the vast majority of a population is disagreeable statistics make it so the odds are increasingly worse in finding a good partner. At what percentage do you say this is a genuine problem that’s getting worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:38 PM
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I’d say I want the following: Women directly in our lives to be empathetic and supportive Women to police other women on poor behavior and nastiness Offering more than just words and actually advocate for men’s issues Considering I don’t know you, your comment excluded talking about other women, and was just a comment not talking about any actual changes to me it’s just you trying to be nice to feel good about yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:36 PM
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Because it misrepresents the standard experience. Positive comments here won’t actually change the narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:02 PM
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This argument is dumb. It’s like saying you shouldn’t care about say a genocide because you were the one who got out. It’s completely devoid of principals
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:59 PM
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I appreciate the sympathy. I do think there is definitely a generational issue here, as my father likely has some level of mental health issues that go undiagnosed, but my mother has not left, simply because it’s not the right thing to do as she would say. I don’t believe women today have the same understanding and people in general of the newest generations are very self focused. Why should I have to suffer along with somebody else kind of mentality. I think unfortunately For my conditions this…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:09 PM
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Because many women have a specific view of what a man should be, and so get upset when that man showcases he’s not a complete stoic rock of stability but actually human. It’s unfortunately very common behavior where a woman gets the ick because of their man’s distressing moments because she’s hoping that he can be the stable one. In my experience, it actually doesn’t really matter how you say it, a woman will remember what you said for your feelings and hold it against you simply because the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:57 PM
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I can definitely chime in here because this is the exact experience of my last relationship, and I believe a deep cause to why she broke up with me. Her common complaint was that when I was depressed it felt like she couldn’t do anything which made her feel like a bad partner, but also made her question why I even had to share anything. She complained that what she said wasn’t actually fixing any of the problems, despite what she said in the moment actually helping considerably at the time. When…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:53 PM
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What’s insane about that Is that your equivocating height to both age and weight. Weight is your own personal choice, heights not, and both weight and age have far greater implications on your own health than height does. In this hypothetical, he could be an extremely hot 5 foot nine guy, yet you only looked at the height. Why do women care so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:17 PM
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In my personal experience, women’s swipe right on picture versus something in my profile 65% to 35%. I think women more look at the general vibe of your profile versus any specific wording
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:13 PM
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Yea, like 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:11 PM

https://www.freedomforum.org/freedom-of-press/#:~:text=Unless%20restricted%20by%20a%20serious,can%20be%20sued%20for%20libel. You are right that it doesn’t completely protect them, but the standard is incredibly high and there’s inherent bias to where the US court system does not want media outlets to be sued into silence, and so legally, they are allowed to post any opinion that they want even if it’s objectively false as long as they state it’s their opinion, which can be hard to identify. You’…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:33 AM
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