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What these men want from women is their pussy. They don’t care about the woman attached to it. Even you admit it doesn’t matter if she’s ugly or fat, there are men who will fuck a woman even if he detests her, because he wants access to ONE thing and she has it. You could do that, if you wanted. Only instead of using your pussy, you could pay a woman to let you fuck her today if you wanted meaningless, loveless sex from someone who just wants something from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:57 PM

The math still says most people have between 2-5. Men in the hundreds is so rare I’ve never met one and I run in hella sex positive circles, some of which are sex workers and gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:46 PM

The market is also flooded with low value women whose company is worthless, it’s not “easy mode” if all you’re being offered is something you don’t like or want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:39 PM

Most people, both men and women, only have 2-5 sex partners over their entire lives. The idea that women are having tons of sex and “pump and dumping” all these men (but also NOT giving enough men “a chance?”) sounds like projection from men who think that’s what they would do. (Tho in reality, men also don’t pump and dump as often as they claim they would.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:37 PM

If that’s all you have to offer, it’s certainly better than offering nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 11:13 AM

Everyone knows smoking kills. It’s taught in elementary school. Nearly everyone that’s ever smoked has already known it can shorten lives and cause lung cancer (I’m saying this as a ex-smoker with many smoker friends. And it’s irrelevant if you can cook, as child-care requires empathy and understanding about why people think the way they do, because children can’t communicate very well on their own. If you can’t even understand why a mother wouldn’t want to make children with a man she doesn’t l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 11:06 AM

Women have been stopping. Studies have shown fewer women are having sex or dating at all. It’s the dudes who are angry about it and constantly trying to convince women to lower their standards and give more losers a chance to experience sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 10:59 AM

I don’t think it’s unrealistic to prefer a woman who pays for you. I’ve had 2 gfs that made more than me and paid for most of our bills. One even bought me a laptop for college. And people already are looking someone they find “good”. You’re the only one who thinks women should forgo their own preferences because it’s a cheaper option.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:47 AM

The problem is you seem to think “any man” is better than “no man” entirely because it’s “cheaper”. But “cheap” is not the ideal when it comes to a long term sexual co-habitation relationship. Compatibility is. If a woman can’t find a man she would have a mutually supportive a relationship with, she’d be a fool to make a child with a man she doesn’t like and then spend the rest of her life with him. People recommend sperm banks for women who can’t find a man they like. Not as a primary advice. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:02 AM

OSHA is a great example. Most safety regulations are a result of someone getting hurt, and policy then changing to make it harder for someone to get hurt in that way again. Companies that adhere to safety regulations and take precaution in dangerous places result in fewer accidents. I am surprised that you’re opposed to taking caution, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:25 PM

Teaching your daughters that men can be predators is literally part of preparing them. Which is what I’m talking about. It would make them less safe if you didn’t teach them that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:49 PM

Men also get raped. And the only way for men to protect themselves is also to use caution, preparation and observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:46 PM

Prove it? It’s proved every day. It’s observable reality that people who are less cautious tend to suffer worse results. I’m a counselor who works with homeless populations, and one of the biggest problems a lot of homeless people suffer from is poor boundaries, and trusting people who are not trustworthy. When I am counseling clients who have been assaulted, one of the best ways for them to reclaim a sense of power in their lives is to help them work out ways to identify danger, how to extract …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:44 PM

What do you teach your daughters that isn’t “preparation” for potential danger?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:37 PM
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If you get a glass of water, do you feel powerful again? Or do you just go through life feeling powerless every time you experience desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:34 PM

Paying attention IS sometimes the only way to avoid assault. Sometimes, even then, it doesn’t work. But the first and most important step to keeping safe is to take precaution, as the opposite, which is NOT paying attention, will dramatically increase the chances of someone preying on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:21 PM

No one is blaming anyone. Taking precaution is the only option. It’s not 100% guaranteed. But it produces better results than not. This is just the reality we live in. People who take care produce better results than people who don’t. Why would you argue that taking care is a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:19 PM

Do you think it would have been better to have not used any precaution at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:17 PM

Hope and preparation are all anyone has.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:17 PM

Comparatively, dude. In a comparison of women who take precautions and women who don’t, it’s obvious that taking precaution is more effective than taking none
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 02:22 PM
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By that optic, everything has power over you. Want friends? LOSS OF POWER! Looking for a job? NO POWER! Wanting to play video games - loss of power! But it’s also missing all the things you do have power over. Like discernment, the ability to say no, and the sense of accomplishment when you achieve your goal. YOU might feel powerless when job hunting, but I might feel victorious in job hunting because I pursue jobs I like and it feels good to achieve things I set out to do. But it’s entirely you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:35 PM

Women who take precautions are often very successful at avoiding assault
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:30 PM
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If a man is thirsty, does water have “power” over him? Because he doesn’t enjoy being thirsty?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 09:37 AM
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I don’t think a woman has “power over me” just because I like her. No more than friends or food I like have power over me. That mentality sounds like a good way to HATE the things you like and resent them even if you get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:00 AM
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As is so often pointed out when prejudice is challenged, your preconceived notions mean you focus on the handful or straight people doing things you don’t like, while ignoring all the millions of straight people who have never done you any harm and never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:16 PM
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Gay men are not inherently better than straight men. Gay men will also bump into you or shoot their shot with people who are already in relationships. The idea that gay men are softer or more sensitive and better at style is technically homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:52 PM
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My boss is on the spectrum. He’s gotten really good at announcing “I’m going to say something direct, right now, because I don’t know how else to say it.” Honestly, it’s something I like about him a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:16 PM
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Emotional intelligence involves knowing what emotions you’re feeling, and knowing how to express them in ways that are not disruptive to the people around you. Without the intelligence, you are just… emotional, but without the knowledge of how to proceed in society without it disrupting your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:14 PM
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Reality maintains itself regardless of whether you accept it. There is no circumstance where success is guaranteed. Even rich attractive people get divorced, suffer losses, go through break ups and risk dying alone
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:06 PM
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Knowing you might fail doesn’t mean you are guaranteed to fail. If you give up at the idea you MIGHT fail, you’re gonna miss out on a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 06:08 PM
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That’s just life, man. You can do everything right and still fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:52 PM
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You don’t know how frequently men cheat, and you recognize your data is anecdotal, yet you think it won’t end well for women to pursue them and you assume these women can tell that they’re bad, and date them anyway because they think they can fix them? I think at some point you might need to examine your claims a little more thoroughly, because they contradict.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:35 PM
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“Having friends” is very different from having a robust social network, where you come together regularly for gatherings and everyone is always bringing in new people they meet from outside the group. Hell, I’m shocked by how few men have ever hosted a house party or had a BBQ or brunch. Which tends to be why folk like me mostly ONLY know people who are all in relationships - because our social network is how most of the people I know meet their partners. Crossed with “shared interests”, it basi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:31 PM
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If “most men settle for the next best thing”, and “having options” means a man is even MORE likely to cheat, that means most men will pump and dump if given the option. I’m not saying I agree. This is what you are saying. If a man becomes LESS reliable if women find him attractive, that’s the opposite of “most men want to provide for a woman who find him attractive.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 03:55 PM
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lol last week it was “women shouldn’t pursue high status men because they’ll pump and dump! They won’t give you a relationship or love you!” Now it’s “most attractive men are big sweeties and they really want to take care of women who pursue them, but women are mean and leave them.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:26 PM

Bruh, the dude right below you is literally saying just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:20 PM

Hypothetically, if you were single, would you vote for women to not be allowed to say No?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:12 PM

I’m not sure I understand. How does that differ from our current dating model, where anyone can ask out anyone, but anyone is also allowed to say No?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:10 PM

?? This is a common debate practice where you explain your own interpretation, and then ask for clarification on what details you may have gotten wrong. It’s just telling when OP can’t clarify where the interpretation is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:03 PM

Everyone should be treated equally. It’s not “treating women equal to men” if women are required to have sex with men they aren’t attracted to. Equality is “everyone is allowed to say no”. Which we already have. Some dudes just FEEL like a woman is oppressing him if she says No.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:53 AM

Don’t forget that your kids also get to lose their dad when they’re teenagers!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:50 AM

It’s not “equality” for women to be obligated to give men sex, tho. That would benefit men to women’s detriment. The situation we already have, where both men AND women are allowed to say No, is already as close as we can get to equality in dating, because otherwise it goes into forcing one group to serve the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:49 AM

It’s not inconsistent to think people should have access to healthcare and equal rights, and to also think women shouldn’t have to provide sex to men they aren’t attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:29 AM
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It’s not. If it were, the men around this sub wouldn’t be constantly hung up on the sex his partner MIGHT have had with previous partners and constantly hand-wringing over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:05 AM
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That would be the opposite of a dating strategy, if your goal is to NOT date, but I am happy you are getting what you want!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:04 AM
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I have met all my partners through various iterations of “pursuing what interests me” + “hanging out with people who share my interests”. That’s it. Just doing what I like with people I like. Inevitably, you self-select to the people you like hanging out with the most, and the one who likes talking to YOU the most and next thing you know you’re asking each other over for late night conversation until dawn etc. The trick is 1.) you have to have enough positive traits that people can LIKE about yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:35 AM
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No, I’m taking my experience of participating in RP communities over the past 10 years or so and observing the visible changes in dialogue and behavior between people who previously identified as RP and now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:29 AM
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The lack of RP men who even know what spinning plates or keeping frame even means, and the abundance of men who refer to RP as a network of support for men who are oppressed, and most specifically oppressed by women. Though it’s true that sometimes this message gets muddled because the same cadre of men tend to also claim that society was built BY men, and women are just parasites who use sex to exploit for resources (which is NOT actually an OG RP opinion.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:27 PM
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RP doesn’t believe there are categories of women. That’s what AWALT means. All women are “like that”, and the only distinction is some “deny” it. This is part of their greater narrative that “RP works on all women… but only if you do it right.” It’s almost like Christianity that way. If prayer doesn’t work, it’s not because God doesn’t exist, it’s because you didn’t believe enough. This is how RP maintained its confidence for so long. More recently tho, I think even Red Pill has acknowledged tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:29 PM
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Sadly, the men who engage in revenge fantasies are not successfully emulating what RP recommends. Most of the men on this sub who claim to be Red Pill don’t even know what “spinning plates” means.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 10:11 AM
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So your stance is ACTUALLY “continuing a friendship with a woman when you no longer WANT a friendship with her is not a good idea “? I don’t think anyone would suggest otherwise, dude. What’s the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:40 PM

Sounds reasonable, when you like something, you wouldn’t spend time complaining about it. I don’t complain about things I like, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:59 PM
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If a woman isn’t interested, it’s not fun or sexy for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:37 PM
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Wider society agrees that it’s bad to try and pressure women into sex when they aren’t interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:37 PM
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Seduction is a late stage form or flirting. If a woman is not interested in sex, it’s not possible to seduce her, as seduction requires both parties to be interested in sex already.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:34 PM
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Wouldn’t that be a strawman? Who specifically is this question for? I don’t feel like I understand what your opposition is other than “I’m talking to someone else who isn’t you.” Do you disagree that people should keep their sexuality private in mixed company or do you think men should just announce “I’m horny!” whenever they feel horny?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:13 PM
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It’s not for the people who want to have mutual sex with each other. The taboo of expressing sexual thoughts in public is for all the people who don’t want to have to hear about how horny you are. (Not “you” specific obvs.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:05 PM

A lot of men also believe that women can’t be used for sex, too (OP being a case in point!) But that doesn’t mean it’s something “men” do as a gender any more than women. Whataboutism doesn’t work in this situation because NEITHER gender inherently believes the other gender can’t be taken advantage of. Only assholes think it’s “not using someone” if it didn’t happen to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:45 PM
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I’m pretty sure the reason many people hide their sexual nature is because people often will punish you if you don’t. I’m not saying anything should change, either. Not because I want people to harbor shame, but because I personally don’t want people MORE comfortable sharing their sexuality, as I’d rather remain ignorant of what get most people off in bed. People who don’t WANT to listen to people talk about sex should be allowed to go through life not having to listen to people talk about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:39 PM

Technically, it is something “negative” in terms of ideal partners. There is nothing less attractive to me than someone who finds me unattractive. I have zero interest in ever pursuing a relationship with that person. We could be friends, absolutely. I’m also not attracted to a lot of my friends. But there’s no appeal to having a relationship with someone who doesn’t like my body and doesn’t want to touch me. The thought produces a feeling of disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:07 AM
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Are you saying that you think these children should be aborted? Doesn’t that fly in the face of your own desire for men to have a choice on whether a woman has an abortion or not? If women are “depriving men of choice” by being allowed to have abortions, that means the only way for things to be fair are for the man to get to chose if a child HE made can be born or not. I don’t see any other option. You either think women should be allowed to opt out of birth, or you don’t. I’m not being facetiou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:42 PM
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Yea, absolutely bro. The only way to like what you get is to pursue what you like. Men do the same thing. It’s human nature as well as the most logical choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:50 PM
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Creating a baby comes at the expense of the mother. She’s the one who has to suffer through a year of pain and then potential death from childbirth. And when it’s born, she ALSO has to take care of it. Which is the ONLY part men can even help with. What expenses do you envision men suffering from that makes it worse than what a woman has to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:47 PM
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Both. Women can bring all of those things to the table, and those are the things I prioritize when I screen for compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:46 PM
17

Company. Good humor. Creativity. Teamwork. Affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:29 PM
7

You literally can go your whole life never asking out anyone you don’t want to, and no one will know or care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 01:51 PM
8

Correct. Neither of you are required to have sex with each other. You should both be allowed to stop at any time. Considering she doesn’t want to do anything with you, I think your ONLY option is to not have any more sex with her. Again, this sounds an awful lot like she just wanted to stop and claimed orgasm as the most polite way to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:18 PM
5

She’s not required to do more just because you want her to. Just like you wouldn’t be required to get her off if you came first. Sex requires both parties to want to have sex with each other. But I might suggest that if a woman claims to orgasm immediately, and then doesn’t want to have anything else to do with you, she might be lying about orgasming to get it to end sooner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:08 PM
5

I literally said the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:58 PM
8

In a hypothetical situation where a woman orgasms and the man doesn’t like it, the man is allowed to withdraw and ask the woman to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:57 PM
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Is English a second language for you? Because “premature ejaculation” is something only men do. Your post sounds like you’re complaining that you orgasm too early, not the woman. Which means you’re probably gonna get most answers from people assuming you’re the one cumming too early. But factually yes, if a woman orgasms too soon, you aren’t required to do anything about it. Feel free to kick her out of bed for orgasming with you if you’re that upset about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:52 PM
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You don’t have to do anything. If you don’t LIKE women bringing you orgasm, you should absolutely leave a woman that brings you orgasm. I’m saying that the woman doesn’t have to work harder to give you an orgasm if she’s already doing such a good job getting you to orgasm that you’re exploding too soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:38 PM
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Absolutely. But if the problem is “I’m so aroused that I cum almost immediately!”, it kinda suggests she’s doing her job too well and she should try being a little MORE lazy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:13 PM
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If she doesn’t like your performance, she just doesn’t come back for more. She’s already apparently doing TOO MUCH if you’re already orgasming too eagerly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:03 AM
8

Tell that to Hegseth 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:56 PM
7

Opposition to the draft is historically left wing. When there was a draft, it was the conservatives screaming “get a hair cut, ya hippy!” at the protesters
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:51 PM
4

Ah, the rare “All of the Above” option. These omni-women obviously have omni-opinions, and the only down side to them agreeing with everything you say is they also disagree with everything you say at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:28 PM
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Which women? You? Liberal women will have different opinions from conservative women, and those will all be different from bi women or gay women; low income women will be different from wealthy women. This notion that “all you have to do is listen (and obey)” women doesn’t help anyone. Attraction doesn’t come from “I heard you say you like blond men, so I bleached my hair so now I’m attractive.” Attraction happens more often when a man DOESNT compromise who he is, so much as looks inside, recogn…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:16 PM
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Yeah there’s LOTS of men involved in all branches of fighting for equal rights. They just aren’t going “every one! Stop talking about circumcision and PAY ATTENTION to the fact that I’m a man and that makes me more significant!” Throw a stone in any crowd and you’ll hit a man. They’re already out there. They just aren’t blathering all over social media about it, so it’s not showing up in the Rage Machine’s algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:08 PM
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No one is obligated. Even women aren’t obligated to march for women. The men who care about women’s rights are just people who care about equal rights. It’s a moral stance, not an obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:05 PM
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Nope, it’d definitely be more ideal if no one had to get hurt and everyone could get what they needed without having to fight. Maybe this is just more familiar cuz I’m queer. Gay marriage wasn’t legalized until I was in my 30’s. “Gay panic” was still a justification for beating up and murdering folk like me, they were attacking us even if we *didn’t* march. So it wasn’t a choice, for us. It was either “die quietly and don’t draw attention” or fight as aggressively in public where everyone has to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:02 PM
1

?? I was answering the question “what happened in belarus, did you respond to the wrong person?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:55 AM
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All people are “bullied” when they push back against society. Feminists were beaten, raped, arrested and murdered. So were hippies opposing the draft. So were advocates for equal rights for all races. Hell, when gay men were dying from AIDS, a lot of society treated it like appropriate punishment from God. They marched anyway. Men do, can and have marched for things they care about. If no men are marching, or especially if men are just saying “women should march for ME as well as women”, it sugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:53 AM
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They’re an ally of Russia. So they tend to platform anti-Ukraine sentiments
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:47 AM
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Men organize around things they care about all the time Men have marched for equal rights for all races. Men have marches for gay rights. Men have marches in protest of the draft. But these topics spiraled in size because a smaller group of people began to talk about and educate people on the topic and explain what’s wrong. There ARE groups of people who are spreading awareness about the downsides of circumcision - many of these people are men. (Ie, my mom did some reading and decided not to cir…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:45 AM
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Sexual Masochism isn’t just “I like all forms of pain”. They don’t love being mugged, they don’t love losing things they care about, they don’t go through life going “I sure hope someone stabs me!” Or “I would love to get hit by a car, it’d be great to break bones!” Masochists like exercising control over their bodies. It’s more like an athlete pushing during a sport, or Spartans running a gauntlet- they like seeing what their body can do and handle. The dom is just the one they’re trusting to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 10:15 AM

Yeah, I have a canned spam message that just says “No one would disagree if you just employed the word ‘some.’”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:08 PM

I’m not sure this is a “men” thing, there are millions of men who don’t care about marriage or children, and there are millions of women who also “insist” on marriage and children even if they don’t have the means. It’s not gendered. It’s just what some people were raised to prioritize, and not all of them have thought about why.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:38 PM

I’d say you have something wrong with you if you spend thousands of dollars supporting someone who doesn’t value you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:51 AM
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?? No, I had to work very hard, as I was born into a childhood of extreme poverty, and suffered from homelessness in my past. My hard work went into getting stable, seeking an education, gaining financial stability and better life habits, eventually getting a higher education, a career, and more recently my own condo, and now paying OFF my student loans. Why do you think I must not have done hard work?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:04 AM
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No, I don’t see constant claims that “misandry” is justified. If you’re willing to admit that your claim of “people claiming women are incapable of doing bad things” isn’t actually happening, I would consider the debate concluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:26 AM

Same answer as for men: any preferences or standards are fine, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t allowed to have opinions, especially if you are going around declaring your preferences on the internet. (Or looking for the opinions of people who might be referring to something you do.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:15 AM
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man OR woman on this sub claim that women were incapable of doing bad things. It’s why we keep saying “stop claiming men will date anyone”, because it’s a terrible idea to be willing to date “anyone”, you should screen for people who aren’t terrible 100% of the time no matter their gender. It’s like one of the few things RP and BP would agree on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:09 AM

I think there’s an over-representation of men who talk about “the friendzone” like it’s an insult to have to be a friend to a woman. Dudes who just have women friends who they sometimes have a crush on but it’s not a big deal and they just move on with life aren’t calling it “being friendzoned”, they just have normal ass friends
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:20 PM
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The question wasn’t “are you willing to do work”, your question was “why aren’t you HAPPY to do the work”. And the answer is because work with no guarantee for reward isn’t something anyone is happy to do. You’re like a boss saying “if you don’t want to do overtime, you may as well quit your job!”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:00 PM
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Even as someone who did the work, this is a silly question. No one wants to have to do hard work with no guarantee of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:36 PM
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You’re the one making their personality all about hating women. This argument is the definition of a strawman argument. I guarantee you that what you think of as “spending all their time” talking men is about .01% of what women talk about over the course of the day. You only notice when they’re talking about men because there’s nothing interesting about women talking about gardening or how they spent their weekend or what sort of repairs they have to get on their cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:49 AM

I didn’t have an overwhelming advantage in life, though. I grew up in poverty, raised by a single parent, and even suffered homelessness for a while. The fact that I still dated even during these times, even being 5’6 with a weak jaw, isn’t some archaic impossibly. It just means that when I say “I had to get by with my social skills”, it means I’ve literally walked the walk and can say definitively that the better I got at getting along with people, the better my dating prospects got. There is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:26 AM

Posts like these seem to forget that “old people” aren’t all happily in long term relationships. Many people over 30 are also on the dating market and trying to find partners right now as we speak. Dealing with the same shit you are. This is why so many people laugh at those “Men don’t have high standards, we’d take the average woman!” But then you don’t even consider any woman over 35 to even count as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:48 PM
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To me, it would involve forcing yourself on someone as they awkwardly try to engage with you as little as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:46 PM
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Nah, I was around when RP had an actual goal and formulated theory, and it was all about learning how to behave in more “attractive ways” (or their own concept of what attractive means), and a LOT of it was about breaking the cycle of trying to pursue women who don’t return interest. “Nexting” is about moving on if interest isn’t established. “Abundance mentality” is all about remembering that there are other women out there who might be interested, even if one woman isn’t. “Oneitis” was what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:45 PM
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I don’t think anyone would argue otherwise, is what I mean. This is like… one of the few things bluepill, redpill, and even blackpill would all agree on. I don’t know that anyone would recommend pursuing someone who isn’t interested in being pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:12 PM
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I don’t understand what the alternative would be. Stalk them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:08 PM
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Having traits you like doesn’t mean you can only date someone who has ALL of those traits. I might like the humor and smile of one woman and the sincerity and ass of another woman, and I’d date either because they both have attractive traits. But I don’t know why anyone would select for a partner with ONLY neutral traits. How would you even pick one over the other, if it doesn’t matter what their traits are?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:43 AM
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Neutral isn’t unattractive, it’s the absence of any feeling at all. Different people may have different traits they find attractive! But no, all humans prefer “attractive” over “neutral” because attractive is attractive while neutral is only neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:37 AM
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More than “other people”? Which other people are you comparing them to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:09 AM
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It’s not “picky” to like traits you find attractive over traits you’re neither over. That’s how a hierarchy works. You like things you find attractive over things you feel neutral over.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:05 AM
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People are not interchangeable, and you can’t force yourself to be attracted to traits you don’t find attractive. There is no benefit to it, either. Meanwhile, there are only positive sides to pursuing what you actually want, as that’s the only way to get what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:16 PM
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Where we disagree is you apply this across whole genders as though “women” as a gender represent a single selfish behavior and “only men” are responsible for correcting it. When I am saying that, no one is doing anything wrong and the system is working fine, and people who are attracted to each other are already dating each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:53 PM
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Absolutely. If a man isn’t interested in a woman he should turn her down, regardless of how hard she tries to appease him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:49 PM
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Women don’t want a relationship with “a man, any man.” They want a relationship with men who have traits that they find attractive. Different women have different traits they find attractive. And beyond this point, it is now up to the men and women to then date and screen amongst the people they find attractive in search of someone who finds them attractive back. At no point is anyone required to do anything. This is why extended social circles are still one of the main ways people find partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:40 PM
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If a man wants a relationship with a woman, he’s the only one who wants something. And what he wants is a woman. Women don’t have to do anything because he’s already decided he wants one. Now, that man should absolutely pursue women who have traits that he likes. Because it’s illogical to pursue women he doesn’t like. But unless a woman wants to attract HIM BACK, she has no obligation to do anything. It would be irrelevant to her if he didn’t pursue at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:32 PM
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You can! Tho someone who uses “give me this sex act or else I leave you” isn’t making a very compelling argument for why they’d want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:40 PM
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Libidos aren’t static, not even for men. There are days you wanna just gently cuddle and make out. There are days you wanna wrestle and chase each other around the house. But the one way to guarantee someone will LOSE interest is to treat the activity like a chore. If my partner was constantly whining that I cuddled with someone else before so it’s not FAIR that I wouldn’t cuddle them… I will literally NEVER want cuddle them because it requires me to be feeling tender, and I ain’t gonna feel ten…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:20 PM
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And you. I can’t stress enough that I recognize you’re in pain. Things are really hard right now and you’re not a bad person for feeling helpless. But it’s easier to like yourself when you can be proud of standing ground and not joining the men who have given up and now just blame others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:12 PM
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Most people aren’t compatible with most people. Women included. We say it here all the time. A man who says “I’d date anyone, I don’t even care who she is” is not virtuous, he’s basically saying “I am so desperate I don’t care who she is.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:52 PM
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I think your definition of “Alpha Widows” is not the mainstream. It’s supposed to be about how much BETTER the previous partner is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:47 PM
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What’s best for me IS the best for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:45 PM
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First, try to recognize when you’re doing it. These can be really invasive thoughts and if you aren’t watching yourself, your brain will go back to these bad habits. It’s possible you learned these “bad mental habits” from trauma or abuse. Recognize that you’re angry at specific individuals who hurt you. NOT the entire demographic of people who share a single trait with them. The former is sane and logical; the later is just prejudice. And finally… remove yourself from places that encourage this…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:44 PM
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If they’re holding back because they don’t want to, you’re just saying “I don’t care if they don’t want to, they should let me do it anyway.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:27 PM
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You don’t have any examples at all? You want me to look them up for you? Well okay, let’s randomly pick the Draft and Male circumcision: The Women’s Strike for Peace was a group of millions of women - it helped organize strikes, marched on Washington, and helped men avoid the draft. - Because there was no draft for women, these women were ONLY marching for men. Intact America is a major organization founded to protest all forms of circumcision. It was founded by a woman to teach other women why …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:13 PM
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My claim was that women pursue the things they want. They pursue rights that they want, yes, which is entirely logical. Men also do the same. If NOT spearheading causes is a sign of “poor citizenship”, then most men are also poor citizens. Because most PEOPLE will never spearhead a social movement in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:12 AM
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Most women, like most men, are not “spearheading” social movements at all. Most women, like most men, tend to exercise their initiative by pursuing the things they want in their lives, like employment, housing, clothing, food, and the ability to enjoy things in their lives. It’s not like “MEN”, who apparently are supposed to have “more agency”, are using that agency to spearhead anything either. Edit: you know you’re onto something when they start desperately downvoting 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:57 AM
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Is the logic here “every subsequent partner MUST be worse than the previous”? Why? Cuz for me, every subsequent relationship I’ve had was better than the previous, because I had a better idea of what I wanted, a better idea of what I need to do to maintain a relationship, and a better idea of what I don’t want and thus can reject. Most of these conversations seem to come down to the man having bad self esteem and assuming that NO ONE can love him, which is why he assumes his partner doesn’t eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:45 AM
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By that logic, women would need men even less than they do now, if they became MORE masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:13 AM
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Women take plenty of initiative when they want something. If they don’t pursue something, you should assume they don’t want it that badly. Things women do take initiative on: Pursuing equal rights, seeking employment, seeking housing, making friends, cleaning, cooking, grooming, vacations, chores… What did you WANT them to take initiative on that they don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:59 AM
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No, most of the people on this sub would agree with me. I dare you to poll them. The only people who care about this are the dudes foaming about “Degeneracy!” Where are you seeing all these “feminists” randomly furious about some second rate porn star? Cuz this sounds like you might be mistaking your own algorithms for a social trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:59 PM
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Okay and there are feminists and BP who don’t care and think she can do as she likes. Just because I wouldn’t want to doesn’t mean no one should be allowed to. Ultimately, she’s the only one she has to answer to (within the bounds of legality obvs.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:34 PM
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The feminists upset about a sex worker supporting sex work are not the same feminists who support sex work and don’t care what she does with her own body. Your confusion stems from apparently assuming all feminists have the same opinions. (And then assuming all BP people also think the same thing!) Some of the people here oppose sex work. Some of us have DONE sex work 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:00 PM
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Expecting women to be more virtuous than men is where you’re going awry. Those men are not “helping” women because they’re kind. They’re simping because they hope it will maneuver a woman into giving him a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:50 AM
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You’re the only one who said all of this was a result of more people getting browner. I don’t think more people being brown is the source of extremism at all. Hell, my partner is brown from their parents having an interracial pairing and my partner turned out Jewish 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:53 AM
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And all that just from being brown, you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:45 AM
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It’s also coarse and rough and gets everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:35 AM
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That’s not how genetics works.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:30 AM
0

“I hate sand.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:26 AM

Sure. I’ve had work done myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:17 AM
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What makes my attraction to women less valid than yours? Are any men who love alternative lifestyles excluded? Men with open relationships? I’ve also been told I should be excluded for my age - should this sub only be available for discussion to straight white men? What about foreigners?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:50 AM
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Oh no, a society that doesn’t place social value on how European your ancestors were!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:20 AM
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In debate, my individual experience is irrelevant. Ad hominem is attacking the person instead of their argument. When you have no argument, attack the person making the argument 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:14 AM
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Man, where do you find that, all my female friends talk SO MUCH. Good things, like banter, making plans, sharing experiences, giving advice, offering help, sharing their anxieties…. As an introvert, the only downside for me is I get kinda overwhelmed sometimes and need a break. I actually agree with some of your assessments, (that the problem is mostly over generalizing). Just that one part stood out cuz I don’t think I’ve ever had a woman I was hanging out with just silently stare at me the ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:52 PM
2

I have above average social skills too. Which is why, even being outside the norm, I’ve never struggled to get girlfriends. Being bi is an impediment, on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:38 PM
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If a woman doesn’t want to have kids, it’s a terrible idea to pressure her to have kids. That’s how you end up with children who grow up unwanted and unloved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:02 PM
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Yes, different people will be attracted to different things
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:29 PM
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Nope! I’m bi. Most of my partners have been women. These standards apply equally when I date men too, tho
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 03:14 PM
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Most couples are average people who like each other’s company for one reason or another. They fall in love from talking, sharing jokes, forming memories and building a life together. There is more to attraction than just looks. But attraction IS required. You can’t just be neutral, you have to have something you actually like about them. When people can’t find anyone with traits they like, yes, they prefer being alone over being forced to share the rest of their life with someone they have no ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:30 PM
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Most women are overweight. You’re proving my point. Men always claim they have no standards until they admit they do. No fat chicks. No single moms. No women who won’t split the bill. No blue hair or tattoos. No feminists. And that’s a good thing because compatibility is vital for a long term relationship. MOST people are not compatible with MOST people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:23 PM
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Nah, I’d agree that hot women are hot. I think it’s be unrealistic to expect you NOT to be attracted to a hot person. And no, I also don’t think it’s be realistic to tell you “but you’re not allowed to pursue anyone you find attractive, you MUST select someone you aren’t attracted to to date!” For most people, if they can’t find anyone they’re attracted to, they just stay single. Which sounds reasonable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:19 PM

You seem baffled by the idea that abusers will push boundaries and feign ignorance and claim “you never expressly SAID I couldn’t” to even common sense boundaries. I’m hoping this is due to you never having experienced a toxic dynamic like that. But ie, my step father frequently made my mother feel stupid if she tried to say she wanted something. Which resulted in my mother being less and less willing to speak up because she was made to feel like she couldn’t communicate correctly. Which resulte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:59 PM
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I’d assume the women aren’t looking for relationships with the men they *don’t* find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:49 PM
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So your “fear” is that an unattractive woman might “waste” the time of an attractive man if she asks him out…. But that attractive man might not mind and he MIGHT even say Yes and go out with her… but he MIGHT waste *her* time and just pump and dump, because she doesn’t have enough “beauty” to be treated well? Cuz I hate to break it to you, but ALL of these things are a danger even for folks that aren’t dating super models. There is nothing about being attractive that makes a man worse than a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:46 PM

I mean, yeah, it’s fun getting spanked by someone you’re attracted to, but that doesn’t mean you want randos walking up to you and beating you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:34 PM
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I’m not aroused by the majority of women. The majority of women are either too old or too young for my tastes. You probably feel the same, but don’t realize it because you don’t really consider all the women you aren’t attracted to as relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:19 PM
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?? You think only tall women should be allowed to date tall men? What if a tall man wants to date a short woman? Is that also entitled?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:04 PM
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God forbid people get a little browner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:52 PM
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> This like throwing a plastic bottle into the ocean and saying “what’s the big deal” when millions of others are doing the same. For you individually, it’s one bottle but you’re too short sighted to see the collective damage you’re contributing to. Littering has the negative impact of trash and filth making a place less habitable. Asking an attractive person out doesn’t produce any waste at all. > Reality vs what you say are two completely different things. Are they capable sure, now do they …?…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:49 PM

Blaming bad treatment on someone’s inability to communicate what treatment they DO want is textbook victim blaming. There are general expectations people should be allowed to have for a relationship that one really shouldn’t be responsible for asking for - things like monogamy once you’re committed, not being hit or stolen from etc. If one need to be told “I want someone who loves me and supports me”, because they otherwise wouldn’t give them, I think it says more about them than their partner’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:37 PM

Within sane parameters, sure. But it’s also a common tactic of abusers of either gender to imply “I’m not abusing you, it’s your own fault for not explaining yourself better” as a way to dodge responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:26 PM
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Sure we do. I’ve done sex work. Plenty of men do sex work. And an even bigger number of men visit sex works. To claim men are more ethical, you would need to explain why using a sex worker’s services isn’t bad while being one and providing that service is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:14 PM
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No, I rate 90% of people not attractive for ME, based on my own preferences. Where you’re going awry is in assuming that all people find the SAME traits attractive. You might categorize 10 women as all being 5’s, but I might find one to be a 9 and the rest may as well be 0 because if I’m not extremely interested, I’m not gonna pursue at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:00 PM
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I don’t see how that indicates I’m overestimating anything. 20% is generous, I’d say my own standards narrow to probably only 10% of people, and I’m even bi, so that’s of men AND women. Most people simply aren’t compatible with most people. However, the reason so few women USE dating apps is because, as you said, it’s harder for women to feel attracted to static pictures. Which is why so many of us keep advising meeting through social groups where you can actually showcase your personality and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:56 AM
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I think the people in charge of running our world prefer to blame us civilians for the declining birth rates because it removes all responsibility to make this a country that people want to raise children in.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:50 AM
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Nah, there’s no harm in shooting your shot. I’d rather take a chance with someone I’m attached to, and risk rejection, than go for someone I’m not attracted to because I don’t WANT to date someone I’m not attracted to, even if it was easy to do so. Those attractive men are perfectly capable of turning down women they don’t want to date. I don’t understand who benefits from a woman not being allowed to pursue a man she’s attracted to. Is the logic “if she’s not allowed to date attractive men, she…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:42 AM
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?? You can, if you want. I’m bored at work so I’m good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:38 AM

Yep, there’s a heavy element of grooming in both stories. There’s a LOT OF content examining the unhealthy power dynamics! Seriously just go on YouTube and search “is twilight problematic” and you’ll get lots of feminist theory lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:19 AM
14

Wanting to date someone and being disappointed when you can’t isn’t entitled. It’s core human nature. Nearly universal experience for humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:17 AM
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It’s realistic for an incel to want to date a woman if he finds her attractive, absolutely. And yeah it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to complain if they can’t find a partner they find attractive. Attractive people don’t stop being attracted just because the person looking at them isn’t attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:14 AM
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It’s not “realistic” to expect people not to be attracted to people they find attractive. Even if YOU think a woman is unattractive, it’s still realistic for her to be attracted to people she finds attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:11 AM

People have been criticizing shit like Twilight and 50 Shades of Gray for their questionable ethics since they came out, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:03 AM
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So it specifically has to be a relationship where neither person in the relationship are in love? What makes it less immoral if the man doesn’t come from a rich family?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:36 AM
3

Please define the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:26 AM
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I didn’t accuse you of being a “gold digger”, I asked you why it bothers you if someone else relies on their partner financially. What is immoral about one person in a relationship making more money than the other? This is your own debate topic, dude. You gotta defend your own position.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:19 AM
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“Around the same amount” still produces 55% of all relationships have the husband as the primary source of income. And as a man who makes significantly less than my partner does, I can report that in my 40 years of life, no one has batted at eye at our arrangement, much less opined that there’s anything immoral about it. Why does it bother you whether I rely on my partner financially?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:14 AM
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“Around the same amount” still produces 55% of all relationships have the husband as the primary source of income. And as a man who makes significantly less than my partner does, I can report that in my 40 years of life, no one has batted at eye at our arrangement, much less opined that there’s anything immoral about it. Why does it bother you that I rely on my partner financially?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:12 AM
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If that were true, it wouldn’t be so common for one person in a relationship to make more than the other person in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:04 AM
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I don’t think there’s anything “immoral” about wanting a partner that has money regardless of whether he makes it through “hard work” or just by being born with it. “Golddigger” is just a pejorative you choose to use to showcase that YOU think it’s immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:58 AM
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The only dude on this sub who actually meant it is that barely_moral guy who says he just went down to a homeless shelter and offered a women a home in exchange for basically a mutually beneficial working relationship. Otherwise, they say they’ll take anything… except single mothers, or fat women, or disabled women, or women with blue hair or tattoos… and she can’t be a feminist!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:39 PM
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A better comparison is a man wanting a raise, so he goes to his boss and complains about how abusive the company for not paying him more. The desire to have something is very human. But when you want something from another person, it’s bizarre when you think “I’ll talk shit about the person I want things from! I’ll talk shit right to their face!” is a intelligent approach to getting what you want from that person. Especially when that person’s opinion of you will be the deciding factor on whethe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:57 PM
3

Oh nooooo not them! That was so important to me!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:50 PM
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I guess I should clarify “what do they do that makes them stand out as uniquely contributing more than the average person?” Because society doesn’t appreciate ANYONE if all they’re doing is paying taxes and not breaking laws because that’s baseline for anyone. You don’t get rewarded for doing what everyone is expecting to do. (Especially since you’re basically required to.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:11 PM
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You’re not escaping anything if you yearn for a relationship with someone you don’t like. Especially if you assume they don’t like you, either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:08 PM
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That’s, like, just your opinion man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:06 PM
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Why? It works well for us. We knew each other since we were children, and dated other people before we ever started dating. So we got used to enjoying conversations about all the interesting people we met while dating. So now that we’re together, we still like to share new experiences with each other. (Also new techniques we learn in bed 😁)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:15 PM
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?? I’m not gay, I’m bisexual. And most of my partners have been women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:12 PM
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lol, there’s is no inconsistency, cuz I’m not worried about whether my partner wanks too much either! I’ve also never had a woman claim such a thing when I had sex with her, so it’s also never been a problem. But yes, if you randomly want to talk about a different post, I still maintain that if a woman is unable to orgasm, she should see if she’s wanking too much or consuming too much porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:11 PM

When both genders are just people, hyperbolic views of either gender are sexist and more importantly unhelpful. Since I defend both men and women, I guess by your definition I “simp” for all genders equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:07 PM
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Considering he was so bad at managing finances that he got their car repossessed, it’s likely he was hiding bad decisions that she would have stopped him from doing. So their car wouldn’t have to be repossessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:04 PM
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No. I honestly don’t even worry about the previous thoughts or experiences she had previously. I will give her the experience that I give her. If she doesn’t like it, she isn’t required to endure it. But so far, I’ve never had a woman leave, because I am fun and generous and playful in bed, so that’s what they get to experience. These exercises, where you’re always chawing down your fingernails worrying about her previous experiences, are an anxious man’s behavior, and it WILL work against him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:48 PM
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If one focuses on pursuits that don’t make them happy (like wanting to date someone who makes them angry), no one can save them from their misery
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:29 PM
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I’m a queer man who was the black sheep of my family. I also have managed to do pretty well financially. I don’t see why I need extra appreciation. But I also don’t see anyone acting jealous of me. The only jealousy I’ve experienced is mostly from low-tier dudes on this sub, and frankly, downvotes just don’t hurt much
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:17 PM
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What men? What are they contributing? What isn’t being appreciated? Cuz famous men are obviously appreciated, aren’t they?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:49 AM
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Are you unable to come up with anything you contribute? So what DO you want society to “appreciate” you for if you don’t do anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:44 AM
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Why would society appreciate someone who doesn’t contribute to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 08:10 AM

Man, I say that all the time and I’ve never been called an incel. It’s normal to find attractive women attractive. Now… if you’re going around INSULTING women while also saying you want to date them, that is often what gets dudes called incel, cuz it’s goofy to be mad at someone you’d have to LIKE if you were ever to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:02 AM
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Did… you think you had to buy a house to work a grill?! You just go to a park that allows grilling. Make it a pot luck where everyone brings a side dish and it becomes a feast. Poor folk cornered this market long ago!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:50 AM
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Hosting social gatherings is HOW he gets laid and how he has all those friends. It’s a textbook example of “dating via social networking”. You meet people, you invite them over, and you show them how much fun it is to be around you. There’s nothing stopping you from doing it! They don’t make “Kiss the Cool” aprons for nothing!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:53 PM
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Depends on what you do with your cooking skills. Hosting a party where you have over all your friends because they love your cooking can absolutely make you more desirable. It’s why BBQs are so popular, as get-togethers. It’s nice having a man who can show off for a crowd… and also feed the family on a budget. Which is what cooking also does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:27 PM

And, as I said, if I only could choose one, I’d choose my partner, because we’re in love. I’ve been so moved by them in bed that I’ve been just sobbing with joy while clutching them and thrusting wildly. But I also have an open relationship so it’s be ideal if I could do what I normally do, so my partner and I can high five afterwards
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:20 PM
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Hands down, any day of the week, I would choose the partner I built a beautiful life with over a random person I don’t know and have no history with, absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:30 PM
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I said I would sleep with her. I have an open relationship, so I even could. I get it that she’s hot, but you’re so deep in the weeds that you aren’t reading what I’m saying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:28 PM
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I said I’d smash for bragging rights! But no, I wouldn’t break up with my current partner for it. We’ve known each other for over 25 years and still deeply in love. A random hot woman cannot surpass that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:25 PM
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Maybe for the bragging rights. My partner and I have an open relationship, so it’s not a hard taboo for me, but I wouldn’t break up my current relationship for a woman I don’t know or love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:20 PM
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Sex with my LTR is much better because they know my body and they know what I like, and they like making me happy. Casual sex is fun too, but I prefer a more studied approach
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:08 PM

Some women want sex, but are shamed out of pursuing it. Some women DON’T want sex, but are shamed into having sex. Some women don’t want sex and don’t pursue sex. Some women want sex and pursue it, but have bad self esteem because they were taught it was bad. Some women want and pursue sex and don’t give a shit if other people don’t approve. You’re confusion comes from thinking there is only one woman saying all these things at once
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:44 PM
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How are all these men single but the women aren’t? Are the women marrying each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:06 PM
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How is “meet more people to increase your chances of meeting someone you’re compatible with” a subtraction in any way? It’s meeting more people, resulting in more friends and more opportunities to date. I literally don’t see what the downside would be
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:05 PM
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A lot of the time, when people complain about being single, they sound like they think “just having friends” is supposed to magically make a relationship fall in their lap. In actuality, it’s more like you have the opportunity to meet someone prior to dating them, which allows you to figure out if you’d be compatible with. But you still have to actually demonstrate why a relationship with you is better than being single. What are your the positive traits you would say you display? It might be as…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:08 PM
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Bro im a millennial. This isn’t something from 50 years ago, social networking is just a sane and healthy behavior to this very day. Men that aren’t bothering to even have a social network will absolutely have a harder time meeting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:56 PM
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I’m describing how extended social groups work, and why most normies use their social groups to find people to date as well as make friends with. It’s different from just “having a friend” because that’s static. A social network is always changing and shifting as new people are brought in and other people drift out. You, yourself, would also be expected to bring new people in; folks that get along with you and who would get along with your crew as well. In such a setting, you’re constantly meeti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:52 PM
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No, you should be out socializing in mixed gender groups and figuring out what traits you like in others, what traits you like in yourself, and you should be experimenting with different types of dynamics you prefer socially. This is how you meet people, which is the vital first step to all relationships. You can’t date someone you haven’t met.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:34 PM
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I didn’t move anything, I am referring to multiple different arrangements people form, as not everyone gets married (tho, again, statistically MOST people marry as they get older.) But before you marry, you have to find someone you want to marry. So you date and have sex and after a while you marry. The older you are, the more time you’ve had to find someone you want to marry. Which is why men under 20 have less experience and fewer men date than by age 30 when you’ve had a whole extra decade to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:34 PM
-1

Boomers are older than 60. We don’t have to go as far as pensioners, by age 30 most men are not single, and only 5-10% have never dated .
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:07 PM
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Most men AND women are married right now as we speak, so I don’t think women are ending up single too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:49 AM
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When you’re an introvert, you can easily tell the difference between the two, because they’re entirely different feelings. The very fact that you couldn’t tell if you had it or not actually suggests you are a poor diagnostic, and you’re pulling 80-90% out of the same ass that didn’t know how to identify it the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:34 PM
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People wanted to end slavery. No one wants to be assigned a partner outside from people that no one wants to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:07 PM
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Who would decide which man gets which women? Will the women be assigned a 1-10 score and be divvied up appropriately? Who decides WHICH 6 woman a 6 man would get?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:26 PM
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That’s a great example of why I can’t respond. It’s an entirely legion of straw men! I don’t care what you do with your AC, bro, you’re barmy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:25 PM
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The fact that you thought you were an introvert but then later found out you were depressed does not mean “there is no such thing as.” I’m an introvert. I also used to have depression, and had to work hard to learn how to be a social creature and I have a large social network that spans the entire world… but I am STILL an introvert, nonetheless! Introversion isn’t “I don’t know how to socialize :(!” It’s about how a person processes stimulation; an introvert has finite social stamina before soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:23 PM
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That spun out quickly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:46 PM
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Boo, why attack introverts? I would describe myself as a gregarious introvert; I prefer solace. But if I’m around people, it’s a lot easier to make the time pass if you can shoot the shit and get along with people. Clubs can be overwhelming for an introvert. I’d much sooner advice a casual BBQ or like fishing or hiking groups, both are super friendly but tend to be less overbearing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:41 PM
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I wouldn’t say that’s particularly incendiary vitriol, either tho. You get more “vitriol” for being blue pill OR red pill. Or a woman. Or a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:35 PM
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Yes. The concept that “someone else is getting something that I’m not” is very human. But it’s one of those dark thoughts that we, as humans, are responsible for watching ourselves for, as they lead to unhealthy fixation. I consider the “debate” element complete, so now I’m just shooting the shit but: It’s possible these conversations might “feel” like they’re about you due to you being more honest with yourself and your thoughts. You already exercise (at least in your descriptions of your lifes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:25 PM
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In these situations, I always find it relies entirely on HOW you say something that affects how it’s been received.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:16 PM
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Just wanting a woman who loves you is different from “stupid bitches date Chad but I would have treat them better!” It’s entirely possible two different men holding these two different view points BOTH would be thinking they’re talking about love. But only one is focused on Chad. If all you want is someone to love, and you aren’t focused on how unfair women are and how MAD they make you (and to be clear, I haven’t seen you focus on those things), then you can safely assume I’m not talking about …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:11 PM
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The “left” is primarily concerned with consent, which is diametrically opposed to people being compelled to date if they don’t want to. (Tho the left IS more accepting of poly and open relationships for people who want to!) Chad isn’t “stealing” your woman. Chad isn’t real. Women are just dating who they want to, it’s not like they’d love you if you barred them from relationships with people they’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:01 PM
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Chad isn’t real, is the point. Empathically, it’s easy to see how loneliness would produce a mind that comes up with a concept of “a successful man”, who’s hot and perfect and brave and all the women want. And it’s easy to see how the mind then observes that his own life is unpleasant by comparison. I think most people, myself included, have experienced this sort of thinking, especially in a state of depression, when it’s easy to forget that your own problems aren’t the only problems in the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:58 PM
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Many men absolutely are all about love and sharing! But in these conversations, that’s not what’s getting criticized. Ie, if you’re going around saying “women are shallow bitches who only want Chad, they never give me a chance!” you are not coming from a place of love, even if you THINK the fact that you would “take anyone” means you are. That’s not even about sex. That’s you being jealous of whatever your version of “Chad” has.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:48 PM
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Proof that woman can be delusional? How are you Red Pill when you put pussy on the pedestal like that? The posts about all men want is sex or being incapable of empathy, the posts about how all men are liars or they’re all shallow. Hell, there are women who believe men and women shouldn’t have to share spaces, “the penis is a weapon” types. And that’s not even scratching the surface of the crazy instathots furious about being rejected because she assumed a man would want her. There’s as many del…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:45 PM
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That would rely on there being a single consistent delusion that only men have and women do not. None of your examples pass this test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:03 PM
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This post would be universally agreed with if you just said “people can be embarrassing.” But the fact that many men aren’t embarrassing and many women are just makes it weirdly specific to what you personally feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:01 PM
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I wouldn’t recommend trying to date someone who’s complaining about you. That’s how you end up in marriages where you and your partner complain about each other all day. It IS good to showcase positive traits, tho. Good to know HOW to showcase them, too. But it would be wise to screen out people who aren’t compatible with you and focus on people who are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:01 PM
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Yep! We’ve known each other for over 25 years. We were 13 and 14 when we met. Ain’t nobody got anything OTHER than personality at that age lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:55 AM
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I much prefer what I already have, where my partner likes me as a person, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:49 AM
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No, those are not universal male behaviors. If you took a moment to look at reality, rather than the hyperbolic ramblings of men who aren’t dating anyone and don’t really know what you do in a relationship, you would see thousands of men around you who are nothing like the goofy character in your head
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:47 AM

Yep. I’d even posit that you should do some complaining before you “fix” anything, cuz that’s how you define the specifics of what you want to change!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:22 PM

Yep. Complaining is part of how we process our world and sort out WHY we didn’t like something
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:06 PM
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I’m 40! And you said it was only women you consider it a burden to talk to. I have to assume you’re enjoying this conversation, considering you’ve pursued it this far.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:41 PM
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No, I hang out on PPD because I like debate, and I like talking about gender dynamics. It’s also interesting to talk to people who are struggling to understand what the ways people think and process when they don’t have a proper social mooring to form from. As I’ve been saying all this time: when you LIKE talking to people, it’s fun to talk to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:12 PM
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?? My outcomes have been great what are you talking about? I eventually got a job, an apartment, then put myself through school and now l, just this year have officially paid off all my student loans (another risky endeavor that paid off!) I just bought my own condo in downtown Seattle. I love my job. And most importantly, I’ve been well loved by many friends in so many places and I’m marrying my childhood sweetheart who I’ve known for over 25 years! I don’t know a lot of people who’re happier t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:06 PM
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Bravo, great example! This is why I consider smoking weed a compatibility test. The very fact that you would decline toking would naturally weed you out of my social group just naturally. And neither of us would suffer because we both get what we want! I am a very high risk, high reward person. I’ve lived out of my car just traveling the country and getting by just from being good on my feet and clever at making a quick buck. You’re not wrong, one mistake and there could be consequences! It take…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:54 PM
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No. 1.) social interactions are weightless when you like each other. I’ve dated many women. I’ve never felt like I was carrying a burden; if I wanted to talk to them I did, and I enjoyed it, and if they wanted to talk to me they did…. And I enjoyed that, too! The only reason it looks like a “burden” for you is because you assume it will be work and that you won’t enjoy it. 2.) The very fact that you are consider it so much work that you have to do IS a burden you are placing on women. The only w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:33 PM
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No. I went to swing dance and learned how to swing dance and in between going on the floor to dance (I learned lead and follow so I could dance with both men and women), we’d step outside to cool off our sweaty bodies and I’d pull out a rollie and anyone who wanted a hit got to puff and pass. The weed is basically another compatible test: I get along with most people pretty easily. But I prioritize the folks who will smoke need with me cuz we’re most compatible. But I’d also be chatting up peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:18 PM
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I mean yes, you need that too, but it’s less about mindlessly insisting everything is okay and more about distancing yourself from how shitty you feel in the moment to recognize that depression makes a FUN challenge feel like pointless work. Meeting new people is like unlocking a new level in a video game. If you don’t like MOST people, but enjoy the company of a few select people who you enjoy interacting with, that’s fine, that’s just being picky and screening accordingly. But if you find your…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:08 PM
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Nearly all of them! I smoked with the swing dancers and I smoked with the furries and I smoked with the cheese mongers and I smoked with the cosplayers and I smoked with the writers and I smoked with the RPGers! I smoked two joints before I smoked two joints, and then I smoked two more bro
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:59 PM
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Platonic love is necessary to be accepted into a group. Romantic love is necessary if you ever want a relationship. But if you go into meeting someone with the negative mindset that it’s going to be a burden that you carry the most weight of, you will never be able to enjoy the people you’re meeting because you’ve already decided it’s just work. So like… that leaves you eternally bitter because you feel like you’re doing all the work. And for the other party, what are they supposed to enjoy? You…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:56 PM
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No. Because I don’t consider it a burden to talk to someone I like. An enjoyable conversation is one where both people are enjoying the interaction. This mindset where YOU have to do all the work already means you consider it work to (checks notes), hang out with a person you WANT to have a relationship with. How could any love or romance flourish in such a cold environment?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:46 PM
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The fact that you call it a burden also means you don’t enjoy it. It also means there is a “burden” you don’t think women share with you. Depression also causes people to struggle with empathy, because a depression person assumes everyone else has it easier than you do
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:39 PM
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I mean… it sounds like you don’t like women OR yourself. When I find my brain rejecting ALL options because nothing makes me happy and I’m too defeated to try new things, I try to step back and ask myself if I might just be depressed. Because that’s what depression is: the inability to experience pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:35 PM
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Examples of hobby groups I’ve met people through: I took swing dance lessons and started inviting my friends, as well as hanging out with other dancers (lot of passion, you touch and push and pull and dip!) I started attending an Art Night that was run by some local furries and they taught me how to sew in between cuddle piles. I joined a co-op housing group where 5 people and 6 cats all started living in once big house sharing groceries, where I helped a friend make cosplay costumes (she made m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:22 PM
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With that mindset, it sounds like you’ve decided ahead of time that any woman you talk to is inferior and lazy compared to you. Even though you’re doing the thing you accuse them of: passively waiting for people to entertain you, or else you think they must be boring. That’s exactly what I’m talking about when I say “but you have to actually like the person you’re talking to.” If you strike up a conversation with a woman but all you’re thinking about her is “stupid lazy bitch wants a free ride a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:11 PM
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Nah, I’ve lived all over the country, can confirm, there’s always something fun if you’re open-minded. I ended up running with roughneck cheesemongers in Philly, so I think I started scaling down my party sized cuz you tend to have to feed a a party of foodies a little more complicated of dishes than the average party food. We had like…. BBQ on rooftops where we climbed up the storage drains to have a view of downtown while frying rabbit and asparagus on the grill. I miss it (not the poverty tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:08 PM
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After parties are supposed to be smaller and more intimate. That’s why people like them. You select the people you got along with best through out the night and invite them over for a night cap.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:32 PM
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I didn’t say “interruption people doing yoga!” It’s a fools errand to ask someone out of they’re in the middle of doing something. Look for the stoners already smoking weed and go ask them what a working stiff does for fun around here. Get people talking about things they find interesting, and the only thing holding you back is your ability to find other people interesting at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:30 PM
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It sounds like you weren’t really trying either, tho. This is what I mean when I say “if you don’t like people, you will feel lonely no matter how many of them you’re around.” Part of developing good social skills is you learn how to enjoy people and be enjoyable. Because it’s true that not everyone knows how to be interesting when you first meet them. Those are the times where THEY are relying on YOU to know how to steer a conversation, ask questions, set the vibe and generally extract whatever…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:20 PM
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Different men want different things. This gets even more complicated because there is often a difference between what they say want, they what they THINK they want, and actually what they want. Many men just want the ego boost. Many think they do, but wouldn’t be satisfied if they got it because they want the validation to heal them, which it doesn’t (the pursuit of validation ends in disappointment 100% of the time, if given enough time.) Many men just want to be loved by a woman they love back…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:32 PM
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“Cool” is subjective. I have several social groups that I bounce around but since different groups have different vibes, they don’t absorb into each other even if individuals get along fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:56 AM
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Man this experience is so alien to me. I traveled around a lot, and have integrated into Seattle, Boston, Philly, Omaha, and a number of small rural towns over the years, and making friends was always just a matter of roaming up to people who look or feel like “my people” (weirdo artists, queer folk, hippies, nature lovers, chill pot smokers etc) at a park or art gallery or whatever hobby group I’m in at the time and offering to smoke a bowl. BUT… the trick is you have to genuinely LIKE meeting …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:07 AM
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The problem is 1.) we don’t know your friends and 2.) we don’t know you. Women as a gender are not known to be more flakey; some are, some aren’t, same as men. But it is generally more typical for women to remember anniversaries and birthdays and to take care of people when they’re sick, so you might be examining with too small of a sample size
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:32 PM
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No one can stop you from distrusting anyone. I recommend not trusting anyone that hasn’t earned it. Red Pill literally called it “I Am The Prize.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:07 PM
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I wouldn’t try to use the behavior of the rich and famous as indicative of normal human behavior, cuz otherwise we’re gonna have to start fielding questions about whether Epstein or Mel Gibson representing how men “actually” are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:24 PM

I appreciate you saying so! I’ve spent a lot of time reading about serial killers, and it’s so rare to find opportunities to talk about it 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:09 PM

Bro, no, he wasn’t. Dahmer’s victims were mostly desperate run aways who had no where to go. Most were very young, many being only teenagers, and he promised them a place to stay and drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:47 PM

Dahmer murdered men for the same reason tho - he was lonely and couldn’t get a partner. You were correct!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:09 PM

Dahmer’s entire problem was that he was intensely lonely and couldn’t get anyone to stay with him. His killings were about forcing his victims to stay with him forever because he believed no sane living person would be with him deliberately. So he drilled holes in their heads and poured draino into their brains to try and destroy their ability to reject him and when they died he ate them so they became a part of him
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:08 PM
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Those serial killers are not telling the women they date that they’re serial killers. They pretend to be normal men who aren’t killers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:04 PM
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lol, meanwhile I tried dabbling in phone sex but payment by the minute was agony. It was a lot easier for me to just meet face to face and get paid up front. It’s a lot easier to be patient when you’re paid up front (cuz I agree that a lot of your work is to help the client relax and get into a more open state of mind before you can get to rocking their world.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:09 PM
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That’s rough. I’m glad you found a really interesting niche to settle into! I just went on to do social work, which has basically the same emotional load but doesn’t pay as well lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:59 PM
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Man, the market sounds like it gets worse and worse by the year. I used to do sex work over a decade ago, back when you could just post an ad on backpage using normal ass money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:53 PM
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?? I don’t know what you mean, upvotes are just a matter of Activity + Civility. If you can engage in good faith, and you’re around long enough, it’s almost inevitable you’ll end up in the top 1%. Hell, do it long enough and they’ll make you a mod. They even invited me to be one (I declined cuz I’d do a bad job lol.) Just about every mod we currently have used to just be another debate participant. It helps to just think of this place as a community where people like to hang out and chat and deb…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:12 PM
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You asked her out over and over, finally convinced her to date you, and when she finally did… you broke up with her. It sounds like YOU were the one who had no idea what you wanted and it resulted in neither of you getting a relationship you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:04 PM
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Not really, most anyone who’s around long enough and knows the actual rules of debate tend to end up in the top 1% eventually. It’s not any one group, either, many are RP, Purple or no pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:57 PM
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I’m not the guy you’re asking, but a lot of us here talk to our partners about everything, including whatever interesting conversation we have online. I read some of these prompts out loud and we discuss the topic over pizza sometimes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:37 PM
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If you use yourself as an example, you become the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 02:28 PM
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By avoiding telling us about where you’re coming from, you produced an environment where your only reply ended up being “you don’t know me!”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:41 PM
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You should probably had led with “I have trauma that makes it hard to orgasm with others” instead of “I love gooning and I can make myself orgasm, but others can’t.” Because that also nullifies everything you said about the orgasm gap - if anything, you should be able to relate to women, as trauma and anxiety are often why women also struggle
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:28 PM
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I don’t care if someone calls it “mansplaining” or not, it didn’t bother me when women accused me of it, and it doesn’t bother me for weak men to also start clinging to it for the same reason women do - to avoid having to address the topic they, themselves, brought up
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:24 PM
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I bring up women mocking men and blaming men with the fact they can have better orgasms alone. You’re bringing up people who are not me to argue against a claim I didn’t make. Man or woman, if you wank too much, you can lose the ability to orgasm with a partner. This isn’t mockery, it’s just reality. saying I have better orgasms alone, but I do not blame my partners for it. Good, because your partner can’t make you orgasm if your body isn’t in a state to orgasm. this whole framing that I "ruined…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 01:04 PM
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Your “whatabputism” is actually impeding your own argument. If you don’t think masturbation affects orgasms during sex, it’s weird that you’d bring up women masturbating. Cuz I would tell a woman the same thing I’m telling you - if she’s struggling to orgasm, she should cut back on wanking. I can’t even tell if you’re agreeing with me tho cuz you have now argued both sides of this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:44 PM
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It’s a valid question if she struggles with all her partners, for sure! But if she only struggled with her first partner and none of the others, the variable becomes the man, and masturbation can be eliminated as a cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:30 PM
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What I know is what you chose to tell us: that you struggle to orgasm outside of masturbation. Hell, above, you even admit that you have to “dial it down” sometimes. So even you agree it can be a problem and HAS been for you. Which is why you learned to dial it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:27 PM
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You made a post about how you struggle to orgasm, but you like to masturbate. It’s entirely logical to suggest you might want to cut back on masturbating if you’re no longer able to orgasm outside of masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:10 PM
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“Standards” just means you know what you like and you know what you don’t like, making it easier to pursue the former while avoiding the latter. “High” standards just means they firmly don’t pursue something if it isn’t what they want. You can tell people NOT to have high standards, but I don’t think the people who have high standards are in any hurry to access things they know they don’t want
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:12 AM
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That’s literally what the man I’m debating has done. The only “narrative” I have is that RP used to have a single consistent message and now, every man who calls himself RP has a different idea of what it means that’s different from the last
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:25 AM
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You should take that argument up with all the other men calling themselves RP and then shilling to other men. You’ll have as much success telling them they aren’t RP as I’m having with you. It seems instead of a unified sidebar like it used to have, RP is just “whatever anyone wants it to be.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:12 AM
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Red Pill is amoral. It absolutely doesn’t have a problem with grifters, considering most of the prominent RP “gurus” are grifters. And RP wasn’t created to target incels either - if anything, incels were the guys RP hated the most because they were so whiney and never put any effort into self improvement You’re the only one trying to deflect to MGTOW and PUA. I’m still just talking about RP as it has always been presented. The fact take you don’t even know that RP invented “keeping frame” says a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:45 AM
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MGTOW did NOT create AWALT, dude. I was around on the RP sub 10 years ago and was there when it closed down. Red Pill used to say AWALT because the “tools” in the RP “toolbox” could be used on all women equally, and failure is the product of the man not keeping frame. I’ve never seen a RP guy claim “nah AWALT is just a joke, we don’t mean it, there are good ones and bad ones, women are all different!”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:25 AM
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So AWALT now means “careful, different women are different and you have to make sure to carefully select for good ones”? That’s the opposite of what AWALT used to mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:15 AM
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You’re Red Pill, tho. Wouldn’t that directly contradict AWALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:04 AM
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No, seriously tho, I don’t think I’ve ever met a dude who was like “I had sex with a woman… be careful, she might have sex with you, too 🥲”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:53 AM
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Exactly! Perfect example.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:22 PM
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Nope, not a lot of the time. I’m an introvert, social stimulation is about as pleasant as having a pen light flashed in my eyeballs, on some days. I’m very open to new people I meet about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:21 PM
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No, I’ve never used a dating app before. But I am extremely picky and no, if I did, I wouldn’t respond to everyone who messages me. I dont even respond to every text I get. Dating apps sound miserable, I’ve always preferred just meeting people more naturally as I go about my business.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:53 PM
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I’d get low scores because I don’t tend to reply to everyone who messages me. But I’d also use this to screen out people who expect you to drop everything and respond asap when they text
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:44 PM

The assumption that if a man defends a woman, he must 1.) get screwed over and 2.) think he’ll get something out of it says more about how YOU think than anything. For me, I just don’t like faulty logic. And there’s nothing more faulty than the notion that only one gender is worth defending. I don’t need to “get something” out of it, I already am satisfied with myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:12 PM

Yeah of a woman doesn’t want to give you “satisfaction”, you can safely say she wouldn’t be compatible for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:59 PM
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Usually the phrase “I don’t want to give them the satisfaction” is in reference to one person wanting something and they’re trying to manipulate the other person into doing it for them. When you like someone, you don’t mind satisfying them, because you like making them happy. If a woman doesn’t want to give you the satisfaction of being approached, it’s unlikely she wants to date you at all
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:34 PM
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You’re agreeing with me that most people DON’T like assholes. Most people assume their partner isn’t an asshole, and when they realize their partner IS one, it makes them unhappy and want to end the relationship. This is why it’s necessary to speak accurately. Most people who claim “that person only likes assholes!” don’t actually believe they LIKE assholes. They’re just using it as a way to insult the people who are dating each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:29 PM
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If you like assholes, you are one. There is no other way around it. An asshole is someone who is rude and doesn’t treat people well. It’s not possible to like an asshole if you don’t also LIKE asshole behavior. I actually don’t think very many people LIKE assholes. But a lot of people CLAIM “X only likes assholes when I would have treated them better!” when what they should actually be saying is “I’m really mad they aren’t dating me so I have a hostile opinion about anyone else she might date be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:20 PM
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There’s criteria, and it relies on what is said being accurate. If you say “X likes assholes!”, and it’s true that X genuinely takes pleasure in people behaving like assholes, X is an asshole because they LIKE asshole behavior. If you then say “instead of dating assholes, X should date me!”, you’re saying either “I want to become the asshole that X dates“ or youre saying “X should become an entirely different person who doesn’t like assholes and instead likes me!” … which still comes down to “yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:10 PM
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For me, it’s the message. If you claim someone likes assholes, you’re either 1.) incorrect, as confidence is what they actually want or 2.) you’re correct that they do like assholes, and your desire to date them means you don’t mind being the asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:58 PM
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That’s where language has to be used precisely, is all. Being attracted to confidence is not the same thing as being attracted to an asshole. The people who are hyperbolic on these topics are muddling the message so badly that it no longer represents reality
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:53 PM
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You’re probably right that it’s a product of desperation, but if someone says “Person A is attracted to assholes”, then it’s just a fact that Person A is also an asshole. Anyone who is attracted to shitty people is also a shitty person, because they LIKE when people do shitty things. If you date someone who LIKES assholes, they’ll want you to be an asshole too. Because that’s what they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:47 PM
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Yeah it’s probably more accurate to say it’s a problem with individuals more than demographics. It’s just a shame we live in an era where our culture doesn’t put a lot of importance in personal responsibility atm. Everyone’s fighting to be the victim
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:40 PM
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I’d agree with that. Also firmly agree it’s both genders doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:35 PM
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Plenty of reasons to be mad at men you aren’t dating either. Ie, I find the dudes who claim “women are only good for sex” to be frustrating because it results in women believing the only thing men are interested is sex. It’s only confusing when the complainer says “that person! They’re terrible! Can you believe that terrible person I don’t like is dating someone else I don’t like! Chad is an asshole why do they want him more??” Like dude, you already observed they’re terrible. It is consistent t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:30 PM
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If you date a shitty person, breaking up with them is the first step. If you’re angry at a women you aren’t even dating, the only advice you CAN give is “stop focusing on a woman you aren’t even interested in.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:22 PM
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I wouldn’t consider the past a more ideal time to be a man. Modern labor laws and medical care make life far more enjoyable than it would have been in the past. In the life I’m living, I only work 40 hours a week and have tons of free time to paint and read and go for walks with my partner, who loves me. I wouldn’t go back to a time when men ruined their bodies with hard labor and barely had any free time outside of eating or sleeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:56 AM
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I’m personally rather content to live in a world where it’s normal for me and my partner to love each other. I don’t think the dudes who claim it was easier in the past have done enough research on what the past was like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:52 AM
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“It annoyed me when you dated someone who wasn’t me, so it’s be ideal if you took responsibility and apologized to me” is how some of them do sound
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:48 AM
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I think what a lot of people mean when they say “accountability” is actually “punishment”. They want to see people pay for not doing things “right”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:06 AM
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I’m beginning to suspect that our failing education system has resulted in the next generation thinking “debate” means “try to force everyone to agree with me.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:59 PM
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Post #3,241 saying “If I don’t like something, NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO IT!” Bro it’s much easier for you to stop coming here than for all of us to lose a fun debate sub just because you don’t understand the purpose of debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:49 PM

Women aren’t allowed to wear shorts in the office, either. Hell, I had one job that sent a woman intern HOME because she was wearing pants and flats instead of a skirt and heels.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:34 PM
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When in doubt, ad hominem 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:30 PM
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The very first line in your own OP: > I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone talk about this
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:19 PM
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Cuz if you make the claim “people don’t talk about this”, you should first confirm that people actually don’t talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:08 AM
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There is no fallacy in asking a question. The your answer is simply the same answer a woman would have re: being offered something that isn’t desirable. The rhetorical nature of the question answers itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:55 PM
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So no, you don’t have any studies as all? (Edit, the study isn’t 20 years old, it began in 2006 but ended in 2010.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:10 PM
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See, you still can’t answer, tho. It’s an easy question
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:02 PM
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Exactly, now you get it. Same reason people don’t like pop-up ads, solicitors or Jehovah’s Witnesses. No one likes being constantly offended sometimes they don’t want
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:01 PM
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I mean, my numbers are consistent across multiple studies, including CDC data. A good comprehensive government study can be found here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5795598/ Do you have any counter studies suggesting most women have lots of casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:00 PM
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Okay, even assuming that most women were hoes and had a lot of sex (which isn’t consistent with data, which suggests most women have 2-5 partners in their lifetime, and the number is currently downtrending), it still is logical that women would find it annoying to have so many men ask her to stop her day and consider his proposal to let him smash and dash because he’s horny and she’s there?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:43 PM
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Not everyone has the freedom to walk away from a job. But I’m glad you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:02 AM
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Weirdly hostile response to a personal opinion post, but I’m glad we agree on something :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:21 PM
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No. God no. I’m a frank-speaking introvert who doesn’t like a big deal made about things. Women are expected to adhere to a lot of social mores that I do not envy (ie professional environment’s dress code expectations like hairstyle and make up and heels). I feel like men and women have opposite problems: MEN: Men are anonymous. You are a Man, and thus you are expected to succeed. This is why men are more often elected to office and given promotions in jobs - because it’s assumed you’ll do bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:51 PM
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It’ll depend on the man. My partner and I use dildos and strapons, just cuz they’re fun. Sex should be treated like a game. Try all kinda stuff. Laugh at the stuff that doesn’t work and it becomes a funny story later.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 04:39 PM
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Unhealthy attachment develops in situations where people are not properly socialized.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:58 PM
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I approach my partner of 25 years to flirt with them just about every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:01 PM
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> just like no one is owed a relationship, also a relationship cannot be gatekept behind vague criteria like "proper socialization" or BS like "you need to love yourself first". It’s true that relationships can’t be gatekept - it ultimately doesn’t matter if other people oppose a relationship, two people will date if they really want to. However, the reason poor socialization obstructs finding a relationship isn’t because society got together and agreed to gatekeep them out. It’s simply that it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:21 PM
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Sex isn’t charity that women give to men to help them. This sort of thinking is why women accuse men of not thinking of them as actually people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:51 AM

That’s the problem with these bathroom laws, lol, they don’t really specify where or how it’ll be enforced.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:34 AM

Most businesses aren’t big. That means No, most businesses don’t have disabled bathrooms. Where should a trans person go in a business that isn’t big enough to have designated separate disabled rooms?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:25 AM

Does Australia have disabled bathrooms in every business?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 09:22 AM

It’s a product of misogyny, ultimately. It’s “natural” for a woman to want to be a man! But if a man wants to be a woman, he must be a pervert, because that’s the only reason these people could come up with to explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:26 AM

But most men AND most women aren’t having casual sex. Most people only have 3-5 sex partners in their entire lives. “I want casual sex and if I can’t have it, no one in the world should be allowed to have it!” is some serious main character syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:56 AM

Is it really a problem that “average and below” men aren’t getting loads of casual sex? It’s not like most women are even looking for it, and it seems entirely logical that if you’re gonna have a one night stand, you would want it to be with someone you find attractive? It’s not like they would get MORE sex in an environment where women were DISCOURAGED from having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:57 AM
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Whatsboutism whataboutism? Did you assume I’d be giving women a pass, and thus invalidate everything I said? Cuz sorry Charlie, the answer is obvious: those are shitty women who make women look bad, and feeds into negative stereotypes that men then focus on and claim all women are like that. Just as the men who post foul things are shitty men who make men look bad and then women focus on and claim all men are like that. I’m assuming you agree with me at this point?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:51 PM
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No, someone getting mad at women because they want relationships and they can’t get them is what gets someone labeled an incel. But yes, bro. You absolutely should approach EVERYONE with caution! Women are not “safer” just because they’re less likely to overpower you. Anything shitty or racist or homophobic or mean or cruel that men do, women are equally capable of. Be wary of mean women with shitty opinions! This is what taking pussy off the pedestal actually means - your title says red pill, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:03 PM
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They’re a lot bigger in the UK
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:16 PM
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Yep. It was still common when I was a kid to think the best way to calm a woman down was to slap her across the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:24 PM
27

Women were wary of men even back in 1397. It was actually MORE engrained in society in the medieval times to not let men even be alone with ladies. The past your clinging to, where men were allowed to do whatever they wanted and women would love them, didn’t exist. Back then, it was legal to beat your wife. And rape her. Women were just forced to marry them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:28 PM
5

Men aren’t particularly attracted to confidence, is why confidence doesn’t help women. What a lot of men want is the opposite: submissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:56 PM
2

I dunno, this doesn’t really mention social media: > Wouldn't it then make sense that women's high selectivity for confidence makes dating harder for men, and puts men at a significant disadvantage compared to women? Cuz no, women having preferences doesn’t disadvantage “men” in general. Men who have traits that women LIKE are not disadvantaged. The only men disadvantaged are men who don’t have traits that women find desirable. But that has been the case since the dawn of time for all living cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:54 PM
4

I dunno, the TERF’s are sure in competition
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:49 PM
2

Can you explain how women preferring confident men is resulting in men becoming LESS confident?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:47 PM
75

If you want women to stop distrusting men, you’ll need to talk to all the men posting things like “men GAVE women the right to vote because men built society!” They’re the ones making us look bad, it’s not the fault of women to take what they learn from the men around them as a good example of how men CAN and sometimes DO think. Because at the moment, it’s accurate that women have to be careful around men. They don’t KNOW that you’re “one of the good ones” just from looking at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:45 PM
7

No. That’s about as “real” as the notion that women have enjoyable sex with “Chad” but then only WANTS to have bad sex with her husband for some reason. People who think this way can have a perfectly happy stable relationship and STILL fuck it up by not believing their partner could possibly love them, they MUST prefer someone else, secretly!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:47 AM
1

You like when women cry and don’t believe you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 07:38 AM
4

Think of what you’re saying: “I want women I don’t like to turn into women I do like!” You would first have to give them a reason to want to. Because at the moment, they have no reason to give you what you want. Considering you don’t like them and they don’t want to be someone you want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:43 AM
12

It’s bizarre how Lazy Post #432 goes up and stays up for just enough hours to get engagement before being deleted, but when I try to post something, it stays in “waiting for mod approval” for days until I ask them about it… after which they wait 3 more hours to make sure I’ve completely forgotten about it by the time it goes up. Which means I don’t engage with it, so it gets taken down 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:04 PM
2

A secure person doesn’t feel desperate about their relationship. Insecurity is what causes desperation. If you have a relationship and you feel like you have to cling desperately to it, it’s because you don’t feel your life is secure enough to maintain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:27 PM
5

Anyone who’s interacted with a desperate person for an extended period of time would disagree. Those are the folks who cry a lot, struggle to believe you when you say you love them, and then say they’ll probably kill themselves if you ever broke up. They’re also more likely to cheat if the opportunity presents itself, because their desperation makes it hard to not pursue all forms of attention
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:37 PM
12

Then they will have to find a woman who wants that. Most women don’t want to be a forever girlfriend, but anything is possible!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:14 PM
5

I don’t consider my source mediocre. “I don’t like your source” simply isn’t an argument. It’s a ad hominem. A fallacy that cant be argued with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:51 PM
1

I don’t have a “type”, so sure. I’ve dated around, been with loads of people from different races and cultures; had one FWB that was deaf (I learned ASL to be able to chat with them), another was a Swedish dude in a wheelchair (I’m bi, so I also date both genders.) He made great book recommendations. Another was a buxom British woman who grew up in South Africa and did really good impressions of accents. So yeah, hit me, let’s try something new!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:46 PM
10

When you and your partner love each other as people, it stops being about looks and the pleasure comes from sharing your body and your attention with someone who loves you. Disabled people have sex. Old people have sex. Amputees have sex. Transgender people have sex. I’ve been so moved by the overwhelming feeling of love and joy and happiness that I cried before, clutching my partner while wildly thrusting with tears of joy running down my face. TL:DR - love. You need love. Then you don’t care i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:41 PM
4

You seem confused about what “debate” means. You don’t LOSE when someone debates with you on a debate sub 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:25 PM
7

So on one side, I have a couple guys saying anything that’s longer than 5 years ago doesn’t count because apparently they only want to see data for men under 25, and on the other side is you, saying “well you have to count all past relationships too, even the ones that ended.” Meanwhile, every report so far has said that dating apps work for a minority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:08 PM
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?? Both of your links say 27% of couples meet through dating apps. That means 73% didn’t meet through dating apps. That’s STILL most people not meeting through apps. Even if you account for MORE than just apps, it says 39% of all couples meet online at all. Still not even half.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:00 PM
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The Pew Research already accounted for that - that’s where the 25% comes from - I actually rounded down when I said 10% - of ALL couples in the US right now, only about 7% met on apps. Of all people under 30, it’s 20-27% (hence why I cited 25%.) This study is from 2026: https://www.connectedcouples.app/blog/dating-app-statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:50 PM
6

Nah, folks just don’t understand that to have a debate, you have to have a clearly defined debate stance. In debate, you aren’t even required to believe what you say. The stance is arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:22 AM
3

1/10. 90% of the people you meet would not be compatible with you for a long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:16 AM
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Dating apps are NOT the most popular way people are meeting, tho. Only 10-25% of couples in America met through apps. Meeting people organically in person is still how the vast majority of couples meet. The majority of people who are struggling are people who don’t go out and socialize to meet new people. So they try and do the modern thing and try to “order a partner online” but then find that dating apps suck even more than DoodDash.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:06 AM
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A lot are, absolutely. I don’t know you personally so I have no idea if you are, but the low caliber of choices is something people frequently complain about on app. Who knows, maybe you’re a 10/10 bodacious babe and all the men you’re dated from apps were all cunning gentlemen with good self esteem! If so, I’m happy for you :).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:59 AM
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Most people who date didn’t meet from apps. I think it’s pretty common knowledge that dating apps suck. Meeting through “want adds” has always been inferior to meeting organically, and the people who use dating apps tend to be people who are already struggling with human connections. Or else they would be meeting people in person. The only reason apps are “popular” at all is because it’s appealing to people who have no social skills, who are desperately trying to find a way to find a partner wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:43 AM
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Something tells me a “good woman looking for company” isn’t gonna want to date a man who doesn’t even like her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:37 AM
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Millions of people are dating right now as we speak. The men and women who like each other and WANT to date each other will continue to do so. But it’s true that if you don’t think you’d enjoy a relationship with women, you are absolutely free to not date them. I don’t think the women who don’t want to date you are going to mind that you don’t want to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:34 AM
2

Absolutely. Most people are not compatible with most people
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:13 AM
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Until you can get pregnant and gestate a baby inside your own body, you will still need the woman to do years of grueling work on TOP of also wanting her to do all the breadwinning and breastfeeding. Most of the time, when a woman doesn’t WANT the extra stress and work of making a baby, she just doesn’t have a baby. She isn’t thinking “gosh I’d love to risk my life and ruin my body giving birth, but I want to have to go back to work to support my husband who doesn’t work!” But hey, you seem conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:12 AM
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The problem with planning all this out ahead of time is generally, both the man and the woman should talk these things out together, to make sure both get what they want from the relationship. The way you’re describing it, it sounds almost like you don’t care what the woman wants, as long as she follows the script you made for her. And you’re absolutely allowed to want that! … but it’s just natural to follow it up with: What incentive would a woman have to form this dynamic with you? One where s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:57 AM
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Same as anyone- humor, lifestyle, life goals, morality, aesthetics, preferred place of residence, sexuality, emotionality, religiosity etc. Dudes who think “I’d be happy with any woman!” Or “women just need to stop having standards and try dating more types of men” are demonstrating a fundamental lack of understanding about compatibility. MOST people are not compatible with MOST people. Failing to realize this is why so many people end up divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:47 AM
7

Basically yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:00 AM
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For a woman who doesn’t want casual sex, all men who are looking for sex first and foremost ARE, as a category, “trash”, in terms of dating offers, in that such men are a waste of time. And you can claim they’re all ALSO looking for commitment, but too many men on this very sub actively admit they are only looking for sex and have no interest in doing ANYTHING for the woman at all. They claim “women are responsible for their own pleasure!” and “Im not a dancing monkey!” And “why should I learn h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:58 AM
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Bluepill doesn’t say you have to do any of that. Because Bluepill focuses primarily on compatibility, BP would actually recommend you let your preferences be known as early as possible so you can screen out women who want things from you that you don’t want to provide. Also, you seem confused in general about dating: Ie: If you want to be a househusband/SAHD, you will STILL have to provide for your wife for a period of time as she will still be the one who is pregnant and destroys her body for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:06 AM
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But there are women who “acknowledge” that men have problems every day, and so far it has not helped anyone. How many women do you need to hear acknowledge your problems before it actually resolves them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:39 AM
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it’s a sad reality but if men could more objectively look at what women provide, their relationships would be so much better If sexbots are your solution, that would mean for you, “sex” is all a woman provides. For any men, women also provide company, companionship, humor, memories, shared goals, mutual support, guidance, fun, comfort, thoughtfulness etc. But again, that requires long-term experience with relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:37 AM
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?? I mean, that hasn’t been my experience! All the relationships I’ve had with women were perfectly rewarding. Hell, most of them were all more organized and accomplished than I was. It seems that most of the men who make bizarre sweeping statements about women tend to be men who have the least experience dating them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:18 AM
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I’m pointing out that you using “in a healthy average relationship” as an example is you acknowledging that healthy average relationships already exist. And for every single healthy relationship that exists, there is a healthy man and a healthy woman equally contributing. Because that’s what YOU described.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:14 AM
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See that’s the problem: sexbots and sexy AI are only a solution if your problem is “I want more creative ways to masturbate.” Sexbots and sexy AI don’t solve any of my problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:12 AM
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… so even if she does everything right, contributes 50/50, and the relationship is healthy, you would still consider her delusional because you believe that INTERNALLY she must still think she’s better than you? It sounds like you’re describing basically “thought crime”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:08 AM
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How are you the “only one” if both parties are contributing equally? I’m going off YOUR description here. In the OP, you used the description: > In a healthy average relationship, both people contribute roughly equally Now suddenly it’s not healthy, not average and ONLY you contribute? So… what healthy average relationships were you talking about before?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 04:03 AM
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What “solution” do men provide that is unique to men? Because “men” certainly didn’t provide solutions to the problems women faced. Which was why women had to march for the right to vote and work and own property etc. Hell, men don’t even fight for their own rights. For how much you hear dudes complaining on this sub, the “solution” men come up with always seems to require women to give them what they want without any benefit to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:59 AM
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Considering how many men are completely lost and desperately posting daily screeds about how much they need help, I wouldn’t say men are particularly good at providing solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:52 AM
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So, for you, even if a woman contributes equally in a healthy relationship, she’s still delusional on the inside?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:50 AM
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> In a healthy average relationship, both people contribute roughly equally 50% of EVERY one or those average healthy relationships is a woman who is already supporting a happy relationship tho. That argues against your own premise that women are the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:39 AM
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I feel like the people who get caught up about looks either have never been in an actual long term relationship, or they had a toxic one and have come away assuming everyone has the same experience. Once you’ve been in a relationship, you realize attractiveness is over-rated; you see each other pooping on the toilet and sick in bed and swollen-faced from crying. It gets boring very quickly if you’re expecting to just sit there saying and doing nothing and hoping that just staring at your empty e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:30 AM
1

If the issue is “I’m lonely in a way that will only be alleviated by getting a romantic partner”, what is it that women should be doing, if not “become the romantic partner and alleviate his loneliness”?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:39 PM

Katey Sagal is mine
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:39 PM

For sure
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:37 PM
2

That’s pee, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 03:57 PM
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The connection point between the two is knowing how to COMMUNICATE your positive traits. The part men on this sub struggle with is they either don’t know HOW to communicate or share their positive traits in a way that makes them attractive (ie, a stoic person who doesn’t know how to put people at ease and show how their self control makes and environment more enjoyable in a long term situation might just as easy come off as boring or flat), or they simply don’t HAVE positive traits to offer and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:52 PM
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The issue is your question is basically “what value do humans offer to humans?” Gender is irrelevant. Both men and women have brains and bodies that better our race.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:33 PM
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This is all just random character attacks, tho. Ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:32 PM
2

Yes. All humans have their own wants and desires. And not getting what you want regularly breeds resentment. Angry bitter men who hate their relationship. Relationships with men who have no boundaries are toxic and unhealthy by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:19 PM

Absolutely. The sooner you make that expectation known, the sooner you can weed out the women who do not want to have to “put out”.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:15 PM
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Can you give an example? I’ve made plenty of sacrifices over the years for my 25+ year relationship, but I’ve never made one that made me feel like I was sacrificing my identity. If anything, I’m proud of if and proud that I’m a person capable of sacrificing in the short term to reap even greater rewards. So I’m having a hard time visualizing what you’re referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:13 PM
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Not if “yourself”’is a person that’s willing to make sacrifices. If you aren’t a person willing to make sacrifices, you inherently aren’t going to be a good partner
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:11 PM
2

What duties are you thinking of, that require you to not be yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:00 PM

I’m not “teaching” anyone anything. If a man doesn’t want to pay for a date, he factually will HAVE to learn how to screen for women who don’t need him to pay. A man who doesn’t want to pay is a daft if he’s LOOKING for a woman who wants him to pay
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:36 PM
5

Relationship can fail even if you do everything right!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:34 PM
5

Exactly! I was poor most of my life. For me, if a girl really wanted me to come with her to an event I couldn’t afford, she had to pay for ME! Cuz otherwise I’d also suggest a walk in a park as an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:08 AM
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Absolutely. However, “wanting a date who pays” and “only dating men who like paying” are legitimate screening choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:50 AM
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It entirely depends on what your goal is. Bluepill advice works for mostly well-adjusted normies who have an active social life and who have maybe a B+ or higher in Social Skills who is looking for a partner, but isn’t sure of what he wants or how to make the impression he wants on the people around him. This method usually involves people being attracted to each other due to compatibility in lifestyle, goals, humor, morality or whatever else they find important, and proceeds into joining up and…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:02 AM
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The problem seems to be that you don’t understand the advice. “Be yourself” isn’t about attracting “MORE WOMEN”, it’s about how impossible it is to form a relationship around pretending to be someone you’re not. “Focus on yourself” is also more about becoming a person who has a good life to share - a life where you take care of your environment and you know how to entertain yourself and you have things you can be proud of in a group. Bluepill is not pick-up artistry. It never claimed to get you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:51 PM
1

Enforce it legally? Can you help me understand how traditional marriage is not legal? If anything, as a queer man, “traditional marriage” is the only type of marriage that people have accepted legally for most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:20 PM
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You aren’t required to be ashamed. The primary reason women talk badly about the notion is it doesn’t sound like an enjoyable situation for the women. But you’re allowed to want it and if you find a woman that LIKES doing all the housework and cooking and child care and also giving you whatever sex act you’re in the mood for that day, it really doesn’t matter what other people think, you still have no obligation to be ashamed
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:39 PM
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What would “acting like it’s the default” entail? What do you want people to do differently to the point that you would feel comfortable?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:33 PM

Oh right - that would also rely on the positive claim that all feminists believe any amount of alcohol is an impairment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:05 PM

This is too hyperbolic to debate with. Relies on the positive claim that “any” alcohol is impairment, and that “any” mental disorder cannot achieve consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:12 PM
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There are absolutely good traits in most people. And yeah, most of the time, that’s the reason people look past the negative traits, often to their own detriment. Because we’re told that’s what you should do for love (which unfortunately is why it’s so easy for the “assholes” to take advantage of the “idiots”.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:07 PM
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There is no singular “good guy”. Good for what? What do you want to be valued for? Lots of dudes who think they’re good are self-righteous assholes. Lots of dudes who hate themselves are gentle and kind. For me, about 90% of any demographic is either an idiot (who I categorize as someone who just accepts what they’re told and do whatever the people around them are doing) or an asshole (who I categorize as someone who prioritizes their own pleasure first and will take advantage of others.) But a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:31 AM
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What’s the difference between “being smeared online” and “being complained about online”? It’s both just saying negative things about you, isn’t it? Cuz it sounded like you’re saying “no one anywhere on the internet can “smear” you or anyone who has opinions like you… but you want to be able to smear anyone on the internet”. But I am eager to be corrected, as my desire is to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:32 PM
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No, that’s called “giving an example” because the question is “who do you want to be able to complain to”. What circumstances do you envision not being able to complain in the past? What changes would need to be made for you to feel satisfied with the result? You continue to struggle with these questions. It’s worth examining.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:04 PM
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The question of course is who do you want to make your complaint to? Cuz if it’s that easy to completely alleviate your problems, just making a mild complaint? Hit me, buddy! I work with schizophrenics, so I got a thick skin. Make your mild complaint right here and I’ll listen to it and not call you an incel misogynist! I’d be glad to have an easy solution! … but if you want to walk up TO women on like… the subway and make a complaint against them, or randomly start complaining to some random st…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:59 PM
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So yes, you want to be able to criticize women and no one can give you push back? Thats what you want? You’re so focused on WOMAN BAD that you can’t seem to explain what you’d change
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:50 PM
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They don’t get demonized everywhere or they wouldn’t constantly get so many upvotes. If it’s the “demonization” is your actual problem, is the solution for your complaint: “I want to be able to criticize women and everyone has to agree with me”?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:45 PM
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Nope, women who post nonsense about “women” online will produce the exact same results. Hence why so many young men also have a lot of really hysterical, bonkers assumptions about women - because they’re going to TikTok for information as though Influencers are anything like real people. It’s like trying to understand the entire complexity of the human race by binge-watching Jerry Springer. Whataboutism doesn’t work when someone has internal consistency
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:38 PM
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I didn’t claim it was most. I’m not sure what you’re struggling with? When a young woman reads a man online talk about how men expect women to (ie) be submissive and obedient, she now knows that this is ONE way that men can think. She doesn’t know how many men think this. The algorithm produces huge up-votes from the crabs in the pot, so it certainly LOOKS like it’s a large number. So now, she has to approach all men wondering if this man has feelings like that about her. I’m not saying innocent…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:31 PM
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The point is that, unfortunately, men themselves are the ones making men look bad online. By going on long screeds about how giving women the right to vote was a mistake!, and then acting PUZZLED why women now think men want to take their rights away.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:20 PM
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Women being called whores by men, for having sex with men who also WANT to have sex with her has been around far longer than Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:59 PM
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It’s very easy to understand. Men do this all the time too, ie, all their “men don’t care about your personality” posts. Generally, unless there’s an actual study, when a man or woman says “we do X” or “we like X”, they’re almost always just saying “I do/like X.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:11 PM
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And each individual woman can only speak for herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:39 AM
11

In what way? There are no “means of production” for businesses to own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:36 AM
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If a woman says she likes something, she means she personally likes it (or thinks she does.) She isn’t saying “I like this which means all women like it.” This seems to be the problem dudes on this sub make a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 09:31 AM
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That would probably depend on why he doesn’t want to. If it’s because “it’s women’s work”, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:40 AM
13

In robust social circles, you don’t have to be “Chad” to find someone who likes you enough to want to continue spending time with you. The only catch is you have to be someone people enjoy being around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:37 AM
-1

I did not have a choice!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:41 AM

I didn’t have an in-group! lol, bro, I lived in the Bible Belt in the 90’s. I literally lost jobs and had to FIND a way to make it work. Which, I suppose in some ways, did benefit me socially, as eventually people became impressed by what I had accomplished. But I still had to accomplish it first - I had to put myself out there and face a lot of shitty treatment before I was able to carve a niche out for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:03 PM

I mean… speaking as an old queer man who lived back before my lifestyle was legal, if I had cared what people thought, I would have had to remain in the closet and never experience relationships at all. Once you reject the need for everyone’s approval, you are free to pursue only the people you actually LIKE, which would be people who share your likes and dislikes. Which is mostly what people mean when we talk about compatibility. I’m a huge weirdo! I don’t date people who need someone who isn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:44 PM
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Most men would fuck a woman even if she doesn’t check his boxes, absolutely. Which is evolutionarily sound, considering sperm is cheap and it’s genetically beneficial to spread your oats as often as you can. But in terms of having a GOOD partner who cares for and empathizes with her, that’s as rare of a unicorn for a woman to find as it is for a man. Hell, everyone arguing that women “should be less selective” are already demonstrating that would NOT be good partners, right out of the gates, by …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:09 PM
3

Tell that to all the men saying they prefer younger women because that’s when they’re most attractive and have the least baggage. Or all the men who don’t want single moms, or fat women or women who expect him to pay, or women who travel or have Insta or if she’s had too many (or any) other partners, or and no feminists or women who like to go out dancing…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:55 PM
5

Again, people don’t want to hear about your porn consumption. People don’t like having to listen to people talk about their spank preferences. What makes you feel like you WANT to talk publicly about your porn usage? Do you also talk about other personal shit like pooping or your medical history? Because it sounds more like you just don’t want people to have boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:31 PM
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I didn’t specify a single specific height. Most of the men who are married are within the average range of height. Only 15% percent of all men are over 6 foot tall. Meanwhile, 50% of all men are married. Even if every single tall man was married (which they aren’t, there’s plenty of tall awkward shut ins who can attest that being tall doesn’t automatically mean attractive), the that still means 35% of all married men are UNDER 6 foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:29 PM

… so you don’t want her to date the shitty men she wants to date, but you also don’t want to date her? You just want to pump and dump her while she remains single and no one dates her? I mean… as revenge fantasies go, that’s pretty thorough I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:21 PM

Most men, right now, are married. And most men are average height. Because that’s what average means. This means that most married men are average height. Right now as we speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:09 PM
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Sex in general is personal, and most people don’t want to talk about it or hear about it in mixed company. Most people don’t want to have to think of you getting your dick out at all. Unless you’re in private with people who you trust, you shouldn’t be talking about your wanking habits at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:32 PM
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Who told you that you can’t? I also wouldn’t want to date a shitty woman, either. I say it all the time. You can too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:11 PM

?? Did you respond to the correct person? The person I am responsible to IS the person saying they think the women who date shitty men are hot. It’s right there, ☝️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:09 PM
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I did sex work, personally. I’ve never been lectured. But again, I also don’t go around insisting people listen to me talk about it. Because it’s very personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:08 PM
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So… you ARE going around talking about watching porn, and you wish everyone would be okay with it? I even like watching porn, myself, but I don’t wanna hear people talk about porn. It’s very personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:05 PM

It’s not a ”gotcha”, it’s just a fact. If you want to date a woman who likes shitty things, you are saying you want to be the shitty thing she likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:01 PM
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?? Who is reprimanding you for watching porn? I guarantee you that NO ONE will ever know you watch porn unless you go around announcing it. Are you going around announcing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:00 PM

But that means you WANT to do the same thing: You know those women are shitty people who like shitty men… but you wish those shitty women would date you, instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:53 PM
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All people are “acting”. We present ourselves to the world trying to communicate what we want to communicate. Everything we wear, everything we do, everything we put work into communicates something about us. Even if you “didn’t do any acting” and you walked around wearing grey sweat clothes and you never styled your hair and never wore anything that communicated your personality at all, you are still communicating to everyone around you that you are someone who prefers asceticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:58 PM
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It will depend on what you’re asking them to care about, and what you expect them to do about it. I call an ambulance for men and women equally, because I don’t want anyone to suffer or die. But if someone just says “I’ve never had sex”, I wouldn’t have sex with them just for the charity of giving them the experience. I feel like most women are about the same as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:38 AM
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I dunno, you’d think if men weren’t allowed to criticize women, there wouldn’t be so many criticisms leveled at them regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:20 AM
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I agree it’s impossible to get low-tier men to stop freaking out, so yes, it’s reasonable for women to not want to engage with it. Same way I “lie” when someone asks me for a cigarette and I say I’m out even when I’m not. Because I don’t wanna deal with the haggling and tantrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:01 AM
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I agree with OP that women would be more honest if men didn’t punish them for doing so. But rn, we still have men on this sub every day complaining that women won’t date men they don’t find attractive, as though that was already an unreasonable preference. I don’t think it’s worth it for most women to tell a man why she doesn’t want to date him. Too many get weird about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:46 AM
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No one wants to date someone who is poorly adjusted and ugly. Being ugly doesn’t make you attracted to ugly people. Everyone, whether they’re ugly or not, is going to be attracted to attractive people. Because that’s what the word attractive means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:09 AM
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No, literally, it’s the men saying “I would date any woman over being single” and those of us who have more experience are constantly telling them NOT to date women they aren’t compatible with. And I’ll say it here if you need to hear it: Don’t date women you aren’t compatible with! Women can be wrong! Exclude them!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:04 AM
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Because of all the sad sack men who keep saying “men can’t afford to be picky, they have to take whatever they get!”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:02 AM
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It would only solve the problem if people preferred AI over live models. This does not seem to be the case. I like 3D porn a lot tho :). Sadly, it’s very popular compared to OG pics of real naked ladies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:17 AM
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Lifting bans on things like underaged models or coerced women will lessen the number of underaged models or coerced women. Which is the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:14 AM
1

It doesn’t seem to have helped you, considering how dire you describe your loneliness. If getting sex is all you need, why NOT just hire a sex worker whenever you need it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:40 PM
1

Casual one-time sex doesn’t cure loneliness, tho. It just satisfies a fleeting desire for sex. Otherwise, hiring hookers would solve the loneliness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:14 PM
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It’s counterproductive, in extremes. Don’t stay loyal to assholes. Leave them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:35 PM
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I didn’t assume they were complaining. I assume they’re doing exactly what they said they were, same as all the men who say it. But in a debate over whether pumping and dumping really happens or not, you’re undermining your own debate point by acknowledging that it does, in fact, happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:30 PM
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You tell your female friends who say they pump and dump that you don’t believe pump and dumping happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:12 PM
2

Yes, many men are absolutely looking for free sex, and they’ll have sex with women they have no intention of dating. Many men comfortably call their own behavior pump and dumping (it’s even worse in the gay community, where everyone has a hard time finding a man who’s actually interested in monogamy. Hell, I’m one of em!) In your social circles, do you tell your friends that there’s no such thing as pump and dumping? Or do you keep it to yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:05 PM
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I’ve only seen men assuring each other that chicks want them to “dominate” other men. I haven’t actually seen any women claiming to like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:48 PM
2

Phrase it as “a woman who has 100 men who want to pump and dump, and then think less of her afterwards” and it’s more accurate. Or “men who’d date her because he wants a partner and he doesn’t give a shit about who she is or what she cares about” — (and in this case, I am specifying things you have personally said.) There’s also a lot to be said about how much you can improve your chances by being social. Many times, a lonely person (both men or women) are usually lonely because they struggle wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:43 PM
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I bring it up because that’s why women can’t just “date any man around” and expect to have a supportive relationship. And the men who claim they’d date “a woman, any woman” also wouldn’t be as happy as they think if they ended up in a relationship with someone that isn’t compatible with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:28 PM
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?? That statement applies to everyone on the planet, not just YOU. A relationship where MY partner has no empathy for me is also worse than loneliness. A man in a relationship where a woman has no empathy, a woman in a relationship with a woman who has no empathy, a man in a relationship with another man who has no empathy, it’s all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:21 PM
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But go ahead and twist it into how bad I am for saying this. ?? I just told you I *don’t* think you’re a bad person. I do think you’re a little sensitive tho - ie, you assuming I’ll think you’re a bad person even after I’ve said otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:08 PM

“Unattractive” doesn’t mean “ugly”. It means “not attractive”. Most people are NOT attracted to most people. Most people wouldn’t even date most of the people riding the bus with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:58 PM
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A relationship where your partner has no empathy for you is actually worse than loneliness. Lack of empathy from someone who is supposed to care about you is deeply harmful to the psyche. It reinforces notions like “I dont deserve it”. I absolutely believe that you experience loneliness. You’re obviously not a bad person just for being lonely. But you will struggle to be a good partner to anyone if you don’t believe they’re even capable of experiencing pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:53 PM
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No gotcha at all. Most people are not alone, already. We’re all surrounded by each other every day. It’s not “lack of people around” that makes one feel lonely. It’s the lack of being understood and appreciated. And the fact that there are so many men who don’t even think women can experience loneliness doesn’t bode well for them understanding anything else she might feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:30 PM
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I don’t think a woman is going to feel less lonely if she’s in a relationship with someone who claims she’s LARPing loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:09 PM

You’re saying “just date and have sex with a man you have no attraction to”. Do you think most women would enjoy sex from any man interchangeably?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:06 PM
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A girl who doesn’t have any meaningful connections in her life will feel lonely no matter where she lives. It’s not like all women are perfectly confident and well socialized people. There are almost as many miserable shut-in women with mental health problems as there are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:03 PM

“Women don’t experience loneliness except for all the women who do” is certainly more accurate than claiming all of them are LARPing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:56 AM

You probably shouldn’t have described it as LARPing if you think it’s valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:54 AM

Your entire post is about how you don’t believe women feel loneliness. Does your girlfriend “agree” that women are only LARPing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:49 AM

A woman saying she feels lonely isn’t claiming anything other than that she’s lonely. I don’t know why you think that your loneliness is somehow more important or meaningful just because you have a Y chromosome
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:48 AM

Yes, in all my travels and all my decades of life, I can say sincerely that 90% of all demographics are full of people who would not be compatible with each other. Hell, you probably think of YOURSELF as a nice person who wants to treat a woman well, while actively posting shit like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:44 AM

If you’re hungry, you aren’t “LARPing” hunger tho. You are hungry. It’s the feeling you get when you want food. There are people who have starved even though there was food in the house. Hell, that’s basically the entire story of the Irish Potato Famine. They had food. They just weren’t able to eat it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:40 AM

A woman can always find a man who’d be willing to fuck her, even if he hates her guts. The problem is finding a man who is kind, considerate, and good company to spend time with. That is hard for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 11:38 AM
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Women work and “build lives” too, but they still attend custody hearings. If men “get what they want by achieving”, you’d think they’d do literally anything at all to fight for their rights and access to their children. The majority of men who do are afforded custody. But strangely, most men don’t bother, they do nothing to pursue custody and then they complain about the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:06 AM
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Stop what? They aren’t marching for suffrage any more, cuz they got suffrage. But there are still whole political parties that are actively winnowing away women’s rights, especially abortion access, so it’s logical that they will have to continue fighting as long as people are trying to enforce laws on them. Just like queer people have to keep fighting, because there are still powerful opponents who can (and have!) made our lives harder. Or POC will have to continue pushing back against racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:01 AM
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I praise feminism because I think it’s wrong to not let women vote or work or own property, and the women who fought to be allowed to are the reason they gained it. As I said, there’s tons of things men have fought for, and I find that admirable as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:53 AM
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There’s not much to read, bro, you just wrote a list of things you want “laws” for. When women wanted change, they marched in the streets and risked violence and arrest to fight for it. Men HAVE marched in the streets to fight things that were important (like homophobia or racism.) Why do you think no men are interested in marching and fighting for more parental access to their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:43 AM
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Humans can absolutely be egotistical and opportunistic. But it’s goofy to pretend that it’s women only, when there are just as many men who are also egotistical and opportunistic. Everyone should be trying our hardest to resist our worst inner desires, including blaming our problems on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:35 AM
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You haven’t really explained what makes feminist “evil”, most feminists would agree that men and women should have equal standing under the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:21 AM
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Yes. “League” is basically just who you have access to. You might have considered that man beneath you. But he clearly didn’t agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:38 AM
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The men people say this to are actively showing off their flaws. So if a man online said “fucking bitches only want Chad, they don’t want to date me because those stupid cunts can’t appreciate a GOOD man!” … it’s just natural to go “well, it certainly doesn’t sound like it’s be enjoyable to have a conversation with you, and I don’t really blame women for not wanting to date you.” The ONLY thing strangers only can judge about you is what you choose to say. And if you say women are the source or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:55 PM
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It’s not personal. The statement “if you blame women for your problems, you are blaming others for your problems” would apply to anyone who blames women for their problems. Nothing is about you, personally. Tho people who think everything is an attack against them, personally, do tend to often also be people who blame their problems on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:48 PM
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If you blame women for your problems, it’s just a fact that you blame others for your problems. And you do sound miserable. And you do seem to be talking about women as tho they’re a different species.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:14 PM
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No one has claimed that women don’t find attractive men attractive tho
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:04 PM
3

They seem to have successfully gotten the “whim” to vote, and own property and earn their own wages and not have to wear wimples when they go outside. So I’d say they made some pretty good progress. Do you support they’ll eventually lose it and have to go back to wearing head coverings again?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:00 AM
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It’s like you just discovered that people do more for people when they like them. Yes, son. If a woman likes you, she will enjoy her experiences with you more than if she didn’t like you. Most women have never met a homeless man, much less been “dominated” by one, but I don’t see why it’s wrong for her to look back on a good experience and acknowledge it was good.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 02:54 AM
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I don’t think anything is a “right” in a relationship, anything like that should be decided with both parties actively interested in exploring that sort of relationship. My partner provides as much satisfaction for me as I do for them. There is no “bargaining” around boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:37 PM
10

It’s not hypocrisy for them to like being around some people more than others. It’s impossible for anyone to prefer the company of literally everyone interchangeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:11 PM
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Then why do you think you have to do anything different? It sounds like you’re doing fine without having to make anyone feel safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:08 PM
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If you want a woman to WANT to be around you, it’s your responsibility to be someone she will want to be around. If you don’t care that women want to avoid you, it’s true that you have no responsibility to make them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:58 PM
9

So what specifically do you want women to say? “I want to have a bad experience”? Put something in quotes, maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:26 PM
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So you think women are purposely seeking out bad experiences and then lying and saying they were trying to find good experiences? And you want women to instead “admit” that they’re purposely looking for bad experiences when they go out clubbing? (Again, I’m looking for an example of what you mean, but feel free to alter my example where I might be interpreting wrong?)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:53 PM
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That’s insanely vague, tho. At the moment, I don’t even understand what you think women are doing wrong. What “BS”? Is it different from the BS men engage in? What “hidden layers” are you referring to, that women are hiding?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:39 PM
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I’m having a hard time understanding what you’re describing. What would a woman with “intent” have to do, to distinguish herself from the women around her?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:16 PM

Self respect starts with the self.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:39 PM
4

I never went out LOOKING for dates, but as I socialized it was just inevitable that every now and then I’d start hanging out with someone that was really compatible with me and we’d date for a while. So I was never “actively dating”, I just usually had a partner (or two, since I’m bi and do open relationships.) I’m engaged now tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:31 PM
3

When I was younger, I was super awkward from moving around a lot (I went to a different school every year between 3rd and 10th grade). I acted out, got in a lot of fights, argued with teachers etc. But I didn’t like always being an outcast so I very deliberately worked on learning how to be social and fun. I worked at being calmer, using humor, not getting offended, letting things slide and knowing when to not bother worrying about things I couldn’t control. By the time I graduated, I could stri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:39 AM
1

I never claimed they didn’t exist. I said there is nothing in RP about tradwives. It makes sense that RP men might still get married, because romantic love tends to feel better than meaningless casual sex, even though RP doesn’t say anything like it. But it’s also a fact that there are parts of RP that oppose it, like Spinning Plates. If anything, the more RECENT iteration of RP, which is all about “giving women rights was a mistake”, divorce rape and mandatory DNA testing and not wanting to pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:09 PM
3

It’s not circling. Red Pill has zero focus on tradwives. And some of it are diametrically opposed to having a tradwife (like spinning plates and avoiding commitment.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:18 PM
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It’s not “Red Pill” to want a traditional wife. If it were, it would focus on tradwives and there wouldn’t be so much focus on spinning plates and staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:06 PM
2

How? You don’t KNOW what RP’s “philosophy” is 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:03 PM
1

?? What argument do you think you’re making? I already said “some RP men want to get married”, but both of these subs also acknowledge that many don’t want to marry, which is consistent with me saying different men want different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:01 PM
1

It’s been a core part of Red Pill and has been extensively discussed on all of the pill subs for over a decade. It’s discussed on the Red Pill, the Blue Pill sub, this sub, it was all over AskRP and the OG RP sub as well. Claiming to be Red Pill but not even knowing what AWALT means is like claiming to be a liberal and not knowing what intersectionality means.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:56 PM
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I guess if you’re incapable of doing your own research into your own belief system, it stands for “All Women Are Like That”. It’s the belief, unique to RP, that women all respond the same, making it men’s responsibility to know “how” to get a woman to do what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:34 PM
2

And yet, the study does NOT show that straight women would prefer to date women over men. It seems that women saying “it takes more than basic arousal” to make a woman want to date are speaking truthfully. Which is why they’re called straight and not bi. Your solution doesn’t solve anyone’s problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:07 PM
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Bro, Red Pill has a specific idea of what “reality” is that doesn’t always square with other people’s interpretations. AWALT is one such reality that RP claims. Otherwise ANYONE observing anything around them is “red pill”. It would be Red Pill to say “women find Red Pill men obnoxious” lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:04 PM
1

What makes you say that? Straight women date FAR more men than women. Nearly every straight woman alive will date at least one or two men. Almost none have ever or will ever date a woman in their whole lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:59 PM
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It’s one of the core tenets of Red Pill, dude. How did you end up calling yourself RP if you don’t know anything about RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:55 PM
3

And yet they don’t want to date those women. They want to date men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:53 PM
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Straight women are not attracted to other women. They don’t want to date other women. Your suggestion is not a solution, because it doesn’t solve the problem for a straight woman who wants to date men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:52 PM
9

How does “a woman with good maternal qualities” stand out if AWALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:48 PM
5

Why is the solution you guys keep putting to women always different iterations of: “Women should try dating people they aren’t attracted to.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:46 PM
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This is not Red Pill. This is a mixture of different things very different men have said they wanted. Some want traditional wives. Some have no interest in LTR’s at all and only want casual. People need to stop reading one person saying something online and assuming all people think the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:19 PM
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This is one of those “different people do different things.” Some RP dudes care about character. Some don’t. Which is why their reliance on AWALT is so goofy. Cuz no two people are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:49 AM
0

“Moralizing” is the wrong word. I’d say “gloating” is more accurate. Most people aren’t saying “you should suffer cuz you’re immoral!” so much as “I don’t like you so its funny to me that other people also don’t.”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:28 PM
10

I also have ADHD and find long drives helps me clear my head! There’s something about having your body engaged in a repetitive task that clears up the mind somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:04 PM
1

There is no down side if you have no conscience. No one can make you be a moral person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:56 AM

I mean… anyone can get ahead of they’re willing to lie, cheat and steal. The question is always: are you the sort of person who wants to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:18 AM
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High quality men don’t date low quality women. If a woman wants a high quality man, she will have to work on herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:04 PM
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Most men are fat. And most men are married right now, as we speak. Most fat men are literally already married.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:58 PM
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So your problem isn’t that “men” aren’t getting attention, it’s that ugly men should be getting attention from ugly women? Do you think being fat makes a woman responsible for being attracted only to men who aren’t attractive??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:03 PM
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Wanting to have “a child” in concept is not the same thing as “raising a child”. If you hate the idea of having to raise a child, you don’t suddenly love doing it if it has your DNA. Many fathers are not present in their kids lives because “creating the child” is the only thing they want a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:17 PM
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The dudes who complain about women having kids are men who don’t like kids. They’re the sort of dads where, when you go to your friend’s house, they say “we have to be quiet, dad’s in the study” and he will never come out to meet you. Except maybe to attend dinner, where he only talks to his wife. They aren’t gonna help out with birthday parties or field trips because they “don’t care about other people’s kids” which tends to mean they also don’t really get invested even in their own. Because he…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:32 PM
4

Neither RP nor BP tell you to act as uninterested as possible. Both tell you to talk and flirt and make jokes and gives signs of interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:26 PM
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But those aren’t the only reasons people break up. They aren’t even the main ones. Usually, it’s just a matter of incompatibility. Most break ups don’t have a single ONE person who is wrong and bad and the other is good and a victim. Usually it’s just a matter of not wanting to stay together because it’s not giving you what you want. Ie, my last relationship was great, neither of us cheated or anything. She just wanted to stay in Philly and I didn’t. So we split.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:06 PM
5

Most relationships end, absolutely. Friendships as well as romantic relationships. Hell, I can’t say I have much a relationship with most of my family after so many years. Most people break up because they realize they aren’t compatible. But NONE of my relationships ended because of cheating. I only know a small handful of relationships that have. The claim that MOST couples break up because of cheating is gonna need some sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:45 PM
1

I don’t think most men would take a woman up on the offer of “I let as many men fuck me as possible”, because that sounds like a quick way to catch what everyone else has. The dudes who say “I’ll take a woman! Any woman!” all seem to change their tune when you get into the weeds “unless she’s fat! Or a single mom! Or if she expects me to pay! Or if she had a previous partner that makes me feel insecure. Or if she wears make up or has tattoos. Or a feminist. Of if she travels. Or if she expects m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:04 PM
2

Considering all the trolls married in trailer parks, I don’t think you can say all women are particularly picky
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 12:58 PM
12

Why do you think most people in relationships don’t love each other? Most relationships aren’t centered around resources. They’re centered around cooperation and teamwork, which is MUCH easier when you like each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:35 AM
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It doesn’t require “BALLS” to not be a doormat. Just enough constitution that you’re not being overwhelmed by the opinions of the people around you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:23 AM
3

Your very first example of hypergamy is “meet my standards”. As though that wasn’t everyone’s expectation in dating. Why would anyone date someone that doesn’t provide what they want in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:49 AM
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This sounds like a porno script.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:54 PM
13

Why would they all have opportunities to have above average men? Super model men aren’t known for pursuing traveling low class Karens in hostels. MOST people are not fucking in hostels even if they’re dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:50 PM
10

Bro, you’ve basically admitted YOU don’t try to befriend male travelers. And for some reason you’re mad at women about it. Because sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:47 PM
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Bro, I traveled as a single man all throughout my 20’s, and while I believe YOU might be having that experience (which sucks), that is not the only experience single men have. I made friends wherever I went. You go out together and share food and stories and smoke some weed and have a few drinks in the evening. You’re making yourself angry imagining non-existent women enjoying a better trip from your own. Like…. Why do you assume ALL these traveling women are hooking up with “well above average …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:45 PM
6

You didn’t answer my questions at all. Here I’ll repost them: it impossible, for you, for a woman to not be homophobic if she doesn’t date you? Do all gay men who seek sex with you count as rape threats?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:04 PM
14

Progressives think you should be able to present however you want. They don’t say “progressives can read your mind and know what your sexual orientation is without you ever having to say!” It’s still up to you to communicate your own preferences. By comparison, conservatives don’t want to deal with the confusion of people doing whatever they want, so they prefer “men act like men”, which relies on their own stereotypes of how men should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:29 PM
10

I don’t think those words mean what you think they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:26 PM
7

That’s not how debate works at all, son.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:23 PM
12

Maybe! But it’s not discrimination to be mistaken for the wrong demographic. Just like I’m not hurt when people assume I’m straight when I’m actually bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:22 PM
11

His original post originally said: so many men assume I'm down to smash and so many women want me to be their gay best friend when I want to date them instead He changed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:19 PM
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No, he literally didn’t include any of that in the original post. He went back and changed it to be worse after everyone pointed out that men finding him attractive and women just wanting to be his friend was not discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:18 PM
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Same way gay people aren’t harmed if someone assumes they’re straight. Or atheists aren’t harmed if you assume they’re Christian. Or left handed people getting mistaken for being right handed. Someone assuming the wrong thing about you isn’t harming you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:16 PM
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You updated your post after I responded to you and you changed “men want to smash” with “men want to rape me.” And you changed “women want to be my best friend” to “women are homophobic towards me.” Is it impossible, for you, for a woman to not be homophobic if she doesn’t date you? Do all gay men who seek sex with you count as rape threats?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:03 PM
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What’s the difference between you wanting sex from women and gay men wanting sex from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:58 PM
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so many men assume I'm down to smash and so many women want me to be their gay best friend when I want to date them instead This is how you described your situation. Did you fail to mention the rape threats or do you just consider a man trying to have sex with you automatically “rape”?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:53 PM
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No one is harming you just by assuming you’re gay. There’s nothing wrong with being gay other than it’s inaccurate. Especially when assuming you’re gay only results in them wanting to be your friend or partner. Which is literally called “inclusive behavior.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:50 PM
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You’re not really being discriminated against if all these men want to have sex with you and all these women want to be your friend. It sounds like lots of people like you and are nice to you and want to spend time with you. The women you’ve met just don’t want to date you. Not getting a date is not discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:32 PM
1

Do you think average people are incapable of enjoying each other’s company? Because from my experience, two most couples are already between average people (considering most people are dating each other), and the only metric that really determines whether or not a relationship is ABOVEA AVERAGE is whether or not they like each other and communicate well. It’s not like millionaires or super models or handsome movie stars are all enjoying superior relationships just because they’re good looking or…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:22 PM
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You shouldn’t date a woman if you just think she’s “average”. Find a girl who you like enough as a long term partner that it inspires you to want to give her your best.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:36 PM
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I don’t see a problem. There are men who say they wouldn’t date a girl if she had sexual partners before, if she has kids, if she expects him to pay for dates, if she wears too much make up, if she’s overweight, if she has tattoos, if she has dyed hair, if she doesn’t put out on the first date etc. Loads of picky standards. And good on them, it’s good to know what DOES NOT work for you so you can better spend your time pursuing women they do like.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:33 PM
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It always depends on who you’re complaining to. If a woman complains about problems women face to other women, it’s because women relate to other women. If you want to go up to women on the street and tell them that you’ve never had a blowjob, I think it’s reasonable for her to find it off putting. If a woman wants to walk up to you and talk about her genitals, you would also find it off putting. But men also have places where men talk about men problems, where there is absolutely no push back, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:16 PM
7

It’s common for most strangers you meet on the street to be turned off if you tell them your sexual history, regardless of if you had sex or not. Most people don’t want to have intrusive thoughts about you having sex, or how much you want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:29 PM
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Equality feels like oppression to the majority class.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:09 PM
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I don’t think brainwashing is necessary. Women used to require men to survive in society. So it made sense that securing a husband was a necessary first step to growing up and becoming an adult. Now that women don’t “require” men, women only seek men for the pleasure of their company. The men like this arrangement tend to be men who women enjoy the company of. The men who don’t like it tend to not like it because they ended up single.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:09 PM
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Yeah, back when RP was more “Machiavellian”, it would content that RP doesn’t care about “fair” or “morality”. Be attractive. DON’T be unattractive. And there’s nothing less attractive than a man who’s pouty and refuses to be pleasant company. How would you even date them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:48 PM
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That’s a more modern iteration of RP. Back when RP actually had a sidebar and an organized community, it used to constantly tell dudes to calm down. One of the primary bullet notes of RP used to be “don’t engage in pointless debate”. It said men should keep control of themselves and use humor to diffuse tension. I remember when the incels lost their sub and flowed into the RP subs instead. That was when the major shift happened. RP used to tell those guys to stop hampstering and to go lift. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:07 PM
13

The problem young men have with RP is they suffer from black and white thinking. Either “RP will get me MAD women! I’ll be swimming in pussy!” or it’s “RP doesn’t work, women are evil, I should just LDAR!” In actuality, RP and BP success both rely on incremental improvement that slowly tilts you more and more out of awkward/unpleasant/messy/unkept and more into “recognizing how to control what people perceive of you.” You learn to speak better, you learn to have a sense of humor, you learn how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:51 AM
5

What was “better” when only men could vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:40 AM
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And yet, there have been long stretches of history where women weren’t allowed to vote, and it wasn’t “better”, even for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:23 AM
1

I think it’s interesting that all of the people who have debated with me have been unable to even say “men have flaws”. They focus entirely on women, and even think me saying “both men and women have flaws” is me defending women. When the only thing I’ve said about women is that they have flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:58 PM
1

I will keep “telling myself” that both men and women have flaws. As I always have. Because I have internal consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:26 PM
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I have literally debated with women reminding them that women also have flaws. Because no matter how many times you claim I’m dismissing that woman have flaws, it remains true that I have consistently said women have just as many flaws as men. I just believe, as I’ve consistently said, that both genders should be criticized if both genders do the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:25 PM
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What’s being deflected if I’m agreeing that women have flaws? I’m just able to acknowledge men do as well. Which you seem to be struggling with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:21 PM
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This is a debate sub, not a “demand” sub. We aren’t here to force anything. Debate is a rigorous method of exploring a topic. I think both men AND women need to examine themselves constantly, through out their entire life, in terms of individual behaviors. But if a man says “only WOMEN need to examine themselves!”, it does beg the question: “why exclude men from the criticism?”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:16 PM
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I haven’t deflected once. I agree women have in group bias. It’s just also a fact that men also do, so if someone wants to criticize in group bias, they would be silly to claim “but ONLY when women do it, it’s okay for men to.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:42 PM
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“Both men and women have in group bias” would be the accurate statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:40 PM
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Nope, I’m not gay, I dated and fucked more women than men. I just also date and fuck men. Which is why I focus on both genders. Beverage I’ve dated both, and both have flaws. I draw attention to the fact that men do things when those men are claiming it’s something only women do. But I also have argued with women who criticize men who do things both men and women do. This is what internal consistency looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:38 PM
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That’s not a deflection. Some women absolutely have group bias. Deflection would require me claiming the criticism of women was invalid because men also do it. I’m saying the opposite: both men and women have group bias, and BOTH should be criticized if they display it. A man who only criticizes women for behavior that both men and women do is factually a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:34 PM
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The comment you linked: I don’t see it being a specificity woman thing, it’s not like RP “calls out” misogyny in their subs either. Which is me saying both men and women should be equally criticized in response to someone criticizing women for something both men and women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:24 PM
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That’s not a gotcha when I’ve been saying all along that both men and women should be criticized equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:15 PM
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You seem a little confused about what “debate” means 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:12 PM
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You can’t come up with a single example of me doing so, yet you continue to accuse me. Sounds exactly like what I dislike about “criticism” of “women” - can’t hold an entire demographic responsible for the behavior of individuals
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:11 PM
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So you’re accusing me of something I didnt do, because you’ve seen someone who wasn’t me doing it? That’s basically what I have a problem with- blaming all women for the behavior of something not all women do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:04 PM
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Quote me ever saying “women shouldn’t be criticized”. Show me a single time I even suggested it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:20 PM
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Glad you agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:44 AM
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But see… factually, those obviously aren’t universal behaviors women do. Millions don’t wear make up. Billions are married to poor men who don’t have resources. And “me me me” is something both men and women do equally. This isn’t about “defending” anyone, it’s more about accuracy of statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:40 AM
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You: No one criticizes women! Me: I criticize women all the time. Here are some of my criticisms. You: In this post no one has (criticized women) Me: I just criticized women in this post right now You: So? See? It’s not that people don’t criticize women, it’s that you deliberately ignore it so you can feel like a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:31 AM
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I just criticized women IN THIS POST. I did it just now! It’s looking like the reason you “don’t see it happening” is because you refuse to, not because it doesn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:19 AM
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Then you didn’t read what I said before replying to me 🤣 I said it here Human behavior is RIFE with bad behavior, and no demographic is an exception. … If you said “anyone who cheats is bad”, no one would disagree. But if you only say “women cheat!”,’ it’s logical to wonder why you’re only mad at women, when it’s something men also do. And here If you claim that only women perform “wrong” behaviors, and men don’t, you’re factually sexist and also blind. And here Good thing I also think both men …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:17 AM
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Then you didn’t read what I said before replying to me 🤣 I said it here Human behavior is RIFE with bad behavior, and no demographic is an exception. … If you said “anyone who cheats is bad”, no one would disagree. But if you only say “women cheat!”,’ it’s logical to wonder why you’re only mad at women, when it’s something men also do. And here If you claim that only women perform “wrong” behaviors, and men don’t, you’re factually sexist and also blind. And here Good thing I also think both men …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:17 AM
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You didn’t respond to anything I said
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:06 AM
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No one has ever criticized women?? You need to get out more, son. Women get criticized all the time. I criticize women constantly. There are many and women who abuse, men and women who rape, men and women who steal, men and women are are sexist and racist and homophobic, there are men and women with mental health problems and who cheat and lie and smell bad and can’t keep a clean house. See? It’s easy, and no one is “white knighting” at me at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:03 AM
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Good thing I also think both men and women should be criticized equally, as I’ve said multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:58 AM
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If you only criticize women for behavior that both men and women do, it is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:56 AM
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What do you mean? “Nice Guys” complain about women all the time, and how mean women are for not appreciating how nice they are. If you claim that only women perform “wrong” behaviors, and men don’t, you’re factually sexist and also blind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:55 AM
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The irony is they don't actually help women in any meaningful way by constantly defending them. I’m responding to this. I’m not defending women because I think it’ll help women in particular. I reject sexism because it’s stupid to blame women for behaviors all people do. I also argue against sexism against men, and I haven’t received any of the push back you seem afraid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:52 AM
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How do you know they have nothing to say? Every time we get those “BP THINKS WOMEN ARE PERFECT!” posts, all the BP men openly say women are just as bad as men, they can be just as selfish and stupid as men, and we’ve all men women we didn’t like or get along with. But the difference is we acknowledge both men and women are flawed and messy. Not just WOMEM BAD, men are sad victims!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:47 AM
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What you see as “men taking women’s side AGAINST other men!” is usually just humans who don’t like people who focus their criticism on a single demographic. The men who defend women tend to also defend other races, religions, cultures, sexual orientations etc. Human behavior is RIFE with bad behavior, and no demographic is an exception. Ie, If you said “anyone who cheats is bad”, no one would disagree. But if you only say “women cheat!”,’ it’s logical to wonder why you’re only mad at women, when…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:37 AM
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Considering most men are interested in sex with women far more than producing or raising children, I don’t see how this will help anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 08:04 AM

How are you Red Pill? It’s extremely easy to be professional without being sexist. Most men do it all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:32 PM

You seem confused about what “debate” means.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:26 PM

Most men have never worried about this in their lives. Just like most women aren’t sitting around all day in mortal terror of being approached. Normies go through their day interacting with each other effortlessly, having no thoughts whatsoever about gender. They don’t think about Formally Approaching at all, because it’s easier to start with a conversation, and you only ask them out after you’ve confirmed you can get through a conversation together (ideally a few times!) The internet is where e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:15 PM
3

I got my information from actually putting myself out there and trying as hard as I could to learn as many different ways to interact with people as I could, so I could be able to comfortably go anywhere and get along with people. I agree with the more “self-help” sides of RP - keeping frame, amuse and amplify, I am the Prize - I came to these same conclusions on my own. You don’t earn respect by trying to make people respect you, you earn respect by confidently living a life that is so well man…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:55 AM
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Not statistically, most won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:54 PM
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I was a little confused exactly what you meant NGL!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:54 PM
1

Weaponized confusion is such a fantastic tool. I used to call it “Captain Oblivious of the School of Positive Thinking”, where all these chucklefucks get is a sense of “I’m not sure I understand what you mean but I’m sure you meant well.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:45 PM
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These poor lost souls have no idea how to like themselves or others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:42 PM
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Shoot, bro, take it further into “I am the Prize” and you’ll start developing a whole ass self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:37 PM
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The fact that even talking about it scares you kinda proves my point. I do hope you’re able to develop resilience tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:37 PM
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I got my information from actually putting myself out there and trying as hard as I could to learn as many different ways to interact with people as I could, so I could be able to comfortably go anywhere and get along with people. I agree with the more “self-help” sides of RP - keeping frame, amuse and amplify, I am the Prize - I came to these same conclusions on my own. You don’t earn respect by trying to make people respect you, you earn respect by confidently living a life that is so well man…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:25 PM
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I guess I should have included that it still requires you to put in work on processing what happened to you to benefit. But people who have never experienced anything happen to them don’t even have an experience to learn from. They just… fear the unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:11 PM
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It’s not “abnormal” to have thick skin. Trauma happens when you don’t know how to respond to something, so you dread it ever happening again. The only thing a sheltered person can hope for is that they never have to experience hardship, as it would be traumatizing. I am sorry you have experienced hardship. But not experiencing hardship growing up only means that when you inevitably do have to experience hardship, you will be less prepared to deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:50 PM
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I said I’d rather they work a blue collar job they enjoy over becoming rich. I didn’t say “I’d rather they work a shitty job they don’t enjoy”. Hope the clarification helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:35 PM
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I have not seen medical or engineering schools produce particularly well rounded people who can stand up to bullies. People who spend all their lives in academia tend to have massive anxiety issues due to not socializing during formative years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:25 PM
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Becoming rich is not, to me, any sort of indication that someone is living a good life. I’d rather my kid grow up low class and work a blue collar job they enjoy over trying to raise the next Elon Musk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:22 PM
1

Experiencing hardship is not the same thing as having no one ever treat you well. My parents didn’t treat me well, but I had friends and a few good teachers. But without the hardship, I wouldn’t have appreciated how special it is to meet good people. I would help teach my child to learn how to navigate hardship as I had to learn to navigate hardship. But I would not try to stop them from experiencing hardship, and I wouldn’t let them use their hardship as an excuse for not giving their best.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:20 PM
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Many women do. There are incredibly tough women out there who kick ass and fear no one, because they have experienced adversity and know how to stand up to it. At the shelter I work at, there are women who walk right into machete fights with me to break them up, lol. And there are men who live very sheltered lives who are more emotionally fragile and submissive than the average woman (my crying roommate being a good example.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:15 PM
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All I know is the kids I knew from the burbs were always the quickest to shy away from challenge, they had more anxiety because they didn’t know what to do or how to navigate strife, more aversions and allergies and problems with needing to be accepted by the people around them. They were pretty tedious and most of their lives revolved around maintaining their suburban lives. Clothes and computer games.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:12 PM
2

Considering I have no plans to ever move to the suburbs, any child I have will not grow up in the burbs and I am okay with that, for sure. I wouldn’t raise my kids to be conformist either (I’m too alt and queer and weird, myself!), so it’s just inevitable that my kids will have to run up against people who try to bully them. Society always strives to hammer down the nail that sticks out. But the solution isn’t to make sure your child never experiences someone trying to “nail them down” because y…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:08 PM
2

I agree that sheltering diminishes responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:55 PM
4

Thanks for answering thoughtfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:20 PM
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It wasn’t “common” to immediately ask someone out in the past, either. It’s always been the most common to meet in a neutral setting like work or social gatherings and talk informally for a while. This is how most people screen for compatibility - if you immediately ask someone out without doing this first, you end up on dates with people you don’t even know if you can have a conversation with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:19 PM
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No, resiliency and fortitude require exercise. Feeling frustrated. Having learn to change and rebound and try again. “Character” doesn’t really mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:15 PM
0

Thanks 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:57 PM
-1

You’re allowed to think that something is wrong with me. I’ve experienced way worse lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:29 PM
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Same reason men payed for nudie mags and videos. They wanna see naked women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:41 PM
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Yes. Physically and mentally, by multiple family members. I was also abandoned by one of my parents - last time I met em was at age 12. I was allowed to own nothing. We moved around constantly. I was never dressed well because I had to wear hand me downs, so kids called me dirty and I used to get in a lot of fights. Now that I’m an adult, I work as a counselor at a homeless shelter and help other people who have been through things like I have, and I help them move forward and learn how to be pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:38 PM
2

Not my job to fix unhinged hysterical losers
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:33 PM
2

Not my job. He moved back in with his parents because he couldn’t handle an adult life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:31 PM
1

I don’t know. Which is why I asked. I also had a rather rough life, but I wouldn’t trade it because I have learned lessons most people haven’t, though the tradeoff is a lot of anger I must control, due to the unfairness of what I experienced. But even then, because of my experiences, I am better at controlling my anger than anyone else I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:29 PM
4

I’m sure he considered me telling him to get his shit together was bullying. He eventually gave up trying to live on his own and eventually moved back in with his dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:17 PM
1

If you could trade your life for a quiet upbringing in the suburbs, do you think you would?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:02 PM
2

You made it about you when you took my generalized statements about dating personally. And why are you specifying 20 years ago? My partner and I knew each other as friends that long, sure, but we were both hot messes back then and because of that, we were NOT compatible and we didn’t date. We only became romantic much more recently because we both got our shit together and finally became people who are GOOD for relationships. I’m 100% behind hard work and self improvement because I would have st…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:54 AM
2

I don’t think you’re lying. Lying would mean I thought you were intentionally giving wrong information. But it IS just a literal fact that most men aren’t tall, and most men have been in relationships, so it’s a fact that most women are dating men who aren’t tall, right now as we speak. Honestly, I more assume what sounds like depression making you fall into negative thinking, where you assume “it’s over” when it’s not. Again. I’m shorter than you. And I still get partners who I’m happy to be wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:38 AM
1

Your example didn’t say “6’5 only!” it just said “I don’t think I can date a guy who’s 5’7”, which isn’t nearly as crazy, considering 5’7 IS below average height. I didn’t say “that’s FALSE!” I said “that’s never happened to me, but maybe it’s regional.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:24 AM
3

That’s not really the same thing as “he has to be taller than everyone else” tho is it? I’m shorter than you, but I just don’t get all the angst on this sub about tall men. It just feels like the gender-swapped version of “all men like big boobs”. When asked, a man might say he likes big boobs. But the number of men dating women with normal sized tits suggests it’s not nearly as important as you’d think. Most men are not uniquely tall. Yet most men have had relationships. Including me, and I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:06 AM
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lol I guess I’ve also never hung out with women who say “yas queen” unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:58 AM
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Man I’ll never forget my first roommate. He grew up in the suburbs and he cried at everything. Didn’t know how to do laundry, broke down when he got a bleach stain on his pants, and literally left the house and drove to his dad’s when the toilet overflowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:57 AM
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That’s wild, I dont think I’ve ever seen a woman in any social circle I’ve ever been in dislike her boyfriend if he isn’t taller/richer/faster/stronger. Never had a girlfriend have that problem with meeither, and I’m 5’6 and low-income. Maybe it’s regional? Where do you see it happening?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:50 AM
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Thanks, I feel like I must be missing something here. I have never worried about what other people thought of my partners. If I liked them, I liked them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:36 AM
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I don’t want to downplay exactly how detrimental bullying can be for developing minds. But it’s also true that hard times are necessary to develop resilience , fortitude and mental muscles that know how to stand firm to pressure. Strong men don’t come from soft, cushy environments. If I had to choose between the challenging childhood I had where I moved around a lot and had to learn how to get along with different types of people, or a shelter’s suburban life where I only knew the same 2 friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:13 AM
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Just reading this makes me so glad I moved out of the Midwest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:45 AM
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Because it’s both, as WELL as things like presence, behavior, humor, resilience etc. Red Pill says the same thing, hence the “lift + keep frame + amuse and amplify” prescription. But you’re also missing that both BP and RP also advise against pursuing women who aren’t interested (Nexting) and to not get discouraged if individual women aren’t interested, because dating is also a numbers game (Abundance.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:13 AM
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Looking to women you don’t like and getting angry that they won’t become someone you WOULD like is not “an option”, it’s a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:01 AM
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So when you say “radicalization”, are you saying “men should stop trying to have relationships with women at all”? Cuz I don’t think you can call yourself Red Pill, that’s just MGTOW again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:50 AM
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And yet, as I just said, I criticize women all the time and have never suffered any consequences. The problem comes from not knowing the difference between the two examples I gave. Can you spot the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:11 PM
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What makes you say that? I criticize women in “polite” society all the time, and have never suffered any consequences. Now… what I criticize are individual behaviors, and I criticize them in both men and women equally — ie, “Jon and Sally are so competitive, it’s hard to talk to them sometimes”, vs “the entire female gender lies! AWALT! They all cheat and monkey swing because hypergamy makes them DISLOYAL and did you know women all have fun with Chad and then make a betabux only have mediocre se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:26 PM
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You’re not giving your best if you’re blaming your inability to have mutually enjoyable sex on the fact that your partner had a partner before you. If you rely on your partner never having experienced anyone else to be considered “good”, you’re already doomed because you are already admitting that you KNOW you’re not good, and you’re relying on your partner not knowing better. When you actually are trying, the first thing you have to do is be open to change. But if you blame all your problems on…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:49 PM

Science and logic absolutely do not have an answer to everything. It’s illogical to assume so. Science doesn’t understand a lot of shit yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:30 PM
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You’d think so, but here we are, having these same posts day after day about “CHAD gets to have good sex but I only get bad sex, it’s unfair, women are horrible!” etc. But it’s also directly self-sabotaging to blame all your problems on women IF what you want is a loving relationship with a woman. As once again, externalization of your problems means you give up all control and will not improve. Because you’re so caught up on “WOMEN are the ones who should improve… by dating me!”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:26 PM
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Yep, and it’s awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:18 PM
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With their hands 🤤. “Submissive” is not the same thing as “being physically stronger”, lol. Think of the way a human trains a horse and you’ll be close, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:09 PM
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That has not been my experience. When I bone down with dom chicks, I tend to come out of it with whip marks after being thrown all over the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:25 PM
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If you’re thinking “I’m sure the other guy is better than me, and my girl is just settling for me after having fun with Chad, she’ll never give me as good of sex as she gave Chad!”… that is basically what it sounds like when someone has given up. No point in getting better. Your girl will never “give” you what you want. Her previous partner will always be better. Woe. To choose to give up and just decide you’ve lost is to choose mediocrity. A much better mentality is “I want to be her best, so I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:13 PM
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Yeah. I don’t know how anyone could choose to be mediocre, tho. The dudes who are certain their woman can’t possibly enjoy sex with them are projecting because they can’t enjoy it themselves due to their neuroticism
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:57 PM
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Which people? Do you care about submission? I certainly don’t personally look for submissive people, that would mean I’d have to do all the work and planning. Sex is a lot more fun when both parties are contributing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:35 PM
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“Submit” is doing a lot of heavy lifting when these women aren’t generally doing anything “submissive” at all. Most dating behaviors don’t require anyone to be submissive. It really fucks up the flow of a conversation if only one person is making all the decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:30 PM
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In debate, a bid for empathy is called an “appeal to emotion” and it’s a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:13 PM
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Those women were never part of your supply. It sounds like you’re confirming that at least some of the dudes who fixate on women they aren’t interested in due to wanting those women to change for his sake so he can add them to his dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:09 PM
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No, a dude isn’t a Chad just because he has sex with hundreds of women. Anyone CAN have a lot of sex if you have low standards and don’t care who you’re fucking. But needing to find a completely new partner every single time you have sex is more a paraphilia than a Chad behavior. That’s pushing into mental illness. All studies tend to agree that most people have 2-5 partners over the course of their life. No studies have said that the more attractive a man is, the more partners he’s had.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:46 AM
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Seems like it’d produce better results to focus on how to get women you like rather than focus on women you don’t like. Thats what I always did, and the results was I dated women I liked and spent no time at all thinking about women I don’t want to date
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:55 AM
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The male counterpart to a dumb broad would probably be “dumb mook” or something
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:47 AM
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I don’t think my partner having sex before they met me is offensive in the first place. I also had sex before them. Maybe because I don’t automatically assume I’m the worst partner she’s ever had, or that all her previous partners must have been better than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:33 AM
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I think for insecure guys, it’s “rubbing it in their face” if it happened at all. The assumption that the previous guy MUST have been a better partner is also sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:29 AM
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How are you red pill? Saying “I have no choice but to date a woman I don’t like”!is as far as you can get from an Abundance Mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:26 AM
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Most people not dating most people isn’t about individual compatibilities, it’s about predominant facts all people who date have to deal with, regardless of who you date. Some women like attention. Some women don’t. Any woman who doesn’t like certain types of attention should absolutely not date men who give them that type of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:18 AM

Yes, I also think it’s unnecessary to protest every time a man is arrested for a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:28 AM

The judge who prosecuted her was a woman, so clearly there are women who are very unsupportive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:23 AM
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I also tell women not to focus on men they have no interest in. Most people will never date most people, due to incompatibility. Treating incompatibility like it’s something being done TO you, and you’re a victim of, is goofy regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:22 AM
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I don’t understand the question. Your graph shows that it’s extremely rare for a man to have 287 partners. And it doesn’t say anything about Chad, nor the “quality” of the women each man has sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:18 AM

Do women like the judge just not count as women for the sake of the exercise?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:39 AM
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Not at all, there’s just as many dumb broads making stupid decisions as there are men. What confuses us is why yall focus so much on the behaviors of low quality women you already don’t want to date, as though they should magically turn them into someone who you “could” date if they could just become completely different people for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:35 AM

If the judge was a woman, that’s proof that this was isn’t something all women even support in the first place tho
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:30 AM

What do you want them to protest? She was already caught and arrested for her crimes, wasn’t she?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:28 AM

If a female judge prosecuted, you can’t really say it’s something “women” are all opposed to tho, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:21 AM
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What about the statement is incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:34 AM
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I mean, I’ve never felt demonized by women. Even when I had to break up with them. None of the dudes I know have ever said they felt demonized. And it sounds like you’re saying YOU have never been demonized. So who is being demonized? What does this demonization look like? Is it just “someone online said they don’t like it” and it made you feel like all men were under attack?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:33 AM
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Do you feel demonized?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:18 AM
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A “level” that made you no longer need to worry about your partner’s past sex experiences? But isn’t the only important metric looks? Did you find a partner that had only had partners uglier than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:13 AM
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Why do you “no longer need to do it” and why do you not want to say what it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:19 AM
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So these men are entering relationships they know they won’t like, and then complaining about how much they want to leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:14 AM
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How do you know automatically that the woman must certainly have only dated men that were more attractive than you? Most men are average, and most men have dated women before. Probabilities leans towards most of the men that women date are average. Are you particularly ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:12 AM
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What’s your “way” of knowing if a woman has been with a man who you knew was better in bed than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:07 AM
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What’s stopping you from being the best lover she ever had? Why is the assumption that you’re inevitably going to be incapable of giving her a great experience in bed? Edit: You also didn’t answer: if quality is determined by looks, isn’t your experience identical if she looks the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:04 AM
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I guess it depends on whether you care if your partner enjoys the encounter or not. If you do, you wouldn’t consider it enjoyable to do things she doesn’t enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:02 AM
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How do you know he was having “bells and whistle” but you aren’t? If orgasm intensity is determined by the looks of your partner, wouldn’t you be having the same intensity as her previous partner as long as she looks identical to how she looked with her previous partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:54 AM
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Why are all hypothetical men entering all these relationships with women who don’t want to have sex with them? Or are you saying all of these men used to be content with sex with these women until they found out she didn’t have identical sex with a previous partner and NOW he can’t stop thinking about how much he wants sex identical to her previous relationship to the point that it ruins his relationship and he breaks up with her and goes away feeling violated and traumatized?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:47 AM
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Probably cuz normies are uncomfortable if motivation doesn’t come from empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:49 PM
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If you say “this behavior is something all women do”, then you have created a statement that uses gender as a basis for categorizing behavior. It directly opposes more accurate narratives like “men also do this behavior” or “some women don’t do this behavior”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:34 PM
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I don’t think you can say it’s just the “femosphere” gendering behavior when RP coined the phrase “AWALT”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:25 PM
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I mean yeah, the whole point is you have to make it sound appealing. Figuring out “someone’s price” is to make sure they’re getting what they want while also giving you what you want is what normies just call “a mutual relationship.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:57 PM
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It’s not leaving that’s controlling, it’s using the threat of leaving to get what you want that’s a problem. If you’re just leaving someone, that’s no problem at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 05:15 AM
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I think it depends on what’s being opposed. My partner is organized but also anxious (the two often go hand in hand.) I’m low-anxiety but messy. In that way, our opposites are complimentary- they call me “boots on the ground” because I can go out and talk to people for them, and I call them my “person in the chair” because they sit at a computer all day and file all my taxes for me and shit (cuz id forget lol.) However, our principles are in complete lockstep. We both love the environment and op…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:30 AM
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You’re close, but it’s more that women tend to think in narrative while men think in actions. A good narrative relies on strong characters, which is why archetypal traits come out. But it’s not that any one type of archetype is better than the other, it’s that it’s attractive when certain traits manifest, and some traits correlate to certain lifestyles. (Ie strong will, creativity, fortitude, loyalty etc.) But if you can come up with a reliable counter to common stereotypes that also manifests t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:24 AM
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It’s extremely normal to not want to know all the intimate things your partner has done with other people. And I’m saying that as someone who has an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:04 AM
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Fetus. The word is fetus, and it’s not a human yet. Any more than an egg is not a chicken.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:32 AM
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I call out stupid attacks against men on this sub all the time, are you new? Hell, I consider it attack on men to claim that the only reason they aren’t raping and pillaging is because they’re being nice to women, and that women should thank ME, a man who has done nothing, for something positive a different man did for different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:30 PM
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Starvation isn’t relevant to the conversation. We’re having a conversation where the conceit I am debating against is the notion that people want to hurt you as a default, and every moment they aren’t hurting you, you should feel grateful to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:27 PM
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Receiving a blowjob requires a LOT of participation from a woman!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:21 PM
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I actually did gay sex work for a while. If you lie there unresponsive, your client wouldn’t come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:05 PM
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The fact that you use a pejorative to describe it says all we need to know in terms of whether men like it or not. Men aren’t going “oh yeah it was so hot, she lay there motionless and occasionally changing the channel on TV.” The ideal is a woman flushed and moaning and clutching at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:54 PM
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Then they have no right to complain when that “pretty body” doesn’t want to have sex again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:35 PM
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No, because they aren’t doing it for you. I don’t think of women at all when I decide not to rape women or burgle homes or not shit on the floor in public places. I uphold society because I don’t want to live in a lawless world. It’s ultimately selfish, as I am the first person to benefit from a pleasant environment where everyone likes each other. It makes all the difference on whether I’ll enjoy my day or not. Do YOU have a persistent sense of gratitude every time someone doesn’t spit on your …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:33 PM
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If you’re happily enjoying an orgasm while the woman just lies there, why do you want to have sex with her? You could just jerk off and give yourself that orgasm and not require her to lie there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:58 PM
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We don’t uphold society because other people are “entitled”. We uphold society because we don’t want a world where people are shitty and evil to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:54 PM
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> And you came from your dad's balls. I wasn’t gestated for nine months inside my father’s balls. > You're right but this also applies to women who date with the mindset of "you're lucky I'm even giving you a chance." Thinking oneself superior to others they are seeing isn't a healthy mindset in general. I agree. You absolutely shouldn’t date a woman with that mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:31 AM
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But if the concept of something as basic as upholding the basic fabric of decent society is something men “do for women” suggests men don’t have to. That women have to be grateful to all of mankind when I seriously doubt most men will EVER protect a woman from a threat or build her a road or put out a fire for her. Which you seem to agree with me on. You, as an individual, don’t get to claim credit for the accomplishments of men who HAVE done things for women. Which is basic knowledge: there’s a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:00 AM
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And all men rely on women to create them. The thing that makes these arguments so uncomfortable is the idea that men, on their own, would want to take rights away from women as though women weren’t humans we share society with. Like… how is a woman ever supposed to enjoy dating you if you’re carrying around the mindset “you’re lucky I’m not beating you, because I could if I wanted to.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:21 AM
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Generally, the missing skills are social skills like flirting, banter, and reading a room so you can tell when someone isn’t in the mood to be approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:03 PM
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Red Pill would tell him to Lift and stop Hamstering and to go flirt with 5 women to practice flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:00 PM
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I don’t think even a script is necessary. I don’t do “conformity” very well and I’m not compatible with normie ladies from the burbs. Fortunately, even being counter-culture or non-conformist doesn’t work against you if you actually spend time with other people you can relate to. Dating is only really a struggle if the only time you socialize is to look for a partner. Cuz you’re gonna be way behind all the people who were socializing all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:18 PM
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Men don’t go crazy if they can’t have sex. Crazy people are crazy, and do crazy things when they don’t get what they want. I can’t stop crazy men from saying “sex is a NEED”, but that doesn’t mean I agree with crazy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:26 PM
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The existence of “bad” women doesn’t make “bad” men suddenly not “bad”. (Tho I disagree with the whole conceit that it’s “bad” to have sex.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:58 AM
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?? I said women would wouldn’t rely on men with social matters. They wouldn’t rely on men for communication, the same way humans don’t “rely” on animals or inanimate objects for communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 10:14 AM
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If she doesn’t want anything you have to offer, she doesn’t consider you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:22 AM

Bluepill could be conservative or liberal, depending on the person. But yes, there literally must be defining differences in opinion to distinguish groups from one another. Bluepill, largely, agrees that people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they’re not affecting anyone else. Because the alternative tends to suggest some people should be physically stopped from going about their business and compelled to do something more to the pleasure of someone else. At which point, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:21 PM
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Because they say it out loud. This whole “how DARE a woman want me to be some dancing monkey, women shouldn’t need me to have a conversation, they should appreciate me even if I’m boring and stop expect Chad!” That’s new to the dating scene and has a visible detriment to dating prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:54 PM
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If “all men” or “all women” shared a trait, that trait would become part of culture. Ie, in most cultures, men do more physical labor than women because women are weaker. Women typically took care of the children and ran the household because they’re softer and tended to be better at “thoughtfulness” due to having to be able to take care of children. If all men had no capacity for social skills, society would just accept that men suck at social skills and people probably wouldn’t rely on men for…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:45 PM

Weak people never have control of their life. Strong people never lose it. Some men and women are weak. Some are strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:40 PM
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I’m saying OP doesn’t consider it adversarial. This is in line with their vision.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:04 PM
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OP agreed with her lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:02 PM
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The great thing about socializing is, if they like socializing with you, they’ll want to continue socializing with you after the party.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:20 PM
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Knowing someone through a social group is not the same thing as being individual friends. Social circles where people get together, have parties, BBQ’s, brunches, boars games, do outings in groups. You invite your friends and tell them to being their friends. My current partner, I met through a writing group. My previous partner, I met through a tabletop RPG.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:08 PM
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In all my 40 years of life, I’ve never had this happen to me. How many women have tricked you into asking them out by pretending to flirt with you only to act like they have NO IDEA why you asked them out? Like, what did they do to make you think they wanted you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:30 PM
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Nothing different. The men who “can’t figure out signals” will continue to struggle with signals and the men who are good at talking to people will become even more valuable because women will all be eager to hang out with men who make them feel less awkward. Awkward men will experience no change.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:28 PM
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?? No, I don’t think men should just be going up to strangers who aren’t showing any signs of interest and asking them out anyway, put that silly strawman away. I’ve always advocated for extended social circles where you and your friends always kinda know each other and are familiar with each other’s behavior. Which is the opposite of what you’re accusing me of.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:13 PM
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No, they’re obvious to anyone who has social skills. This is why we’re always telling you people to go out and socialize regularly. To see how different people behave. To learn how to read personalities and how to communicate your own. How to listen and talk and eventually flirt. A friendly woman is friendly to everyone. That’s very different from focusing specifically on you, laughing at your jokes MORE than others. A “friendly” woman doesn’t only invite you over to have a meal with her. Talk t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:07 PM
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You learn how to cook by doing it. You don’t have to learn from your mother, humans have been preserving our cooking knowledge in books for hundreds of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:54 PM
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You can easily decode them if you aren’t an inexperienced malcontent who can’t even tell if someone is enjoying talking to you. When a woman likes you, she wants to be near you, she’ll invite you to come closer, if you talk about something you’re doing after work, she’ll be enthusiastic to hear about it. Yes, women you don’t know can act aloof, but if they want to know you, they don’t act aloof. That’s the signal you’re somehow struggling to recognize. The easiest way to find out is to ask if sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:51 PM

I think the scary thing about the majority sharing equal rights with minorities is having to realize how much of the majority’s “culture” relies on historical oppression to succeed in society. Without that oppression, suddenly the majority isn’t “better by default”. So now it’s up to the *individual* to define their own identity. And the folks who don’t know how to do that are reeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:52 PM
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I don’t know why so many dudes think this is an advice sub, nor why so many dudes have this “if you haven’t had the exact experience I have, you have NO RIGHT to talk to me, or post on this sub!” Like bro, relationships aren’t different from how they used to be. You still have to be able to talk to your partner in a way that’s not unpleasant to experience. You still have to maintain your body. You still have to have good boundaries and say NO to people you aren’t compatible with. If the only peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 01:46 PM
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Oh sex toys make you gay for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 02:11 AM
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Aight. I wouldn’t leave for that. I don’t care about past relationships. But she has to be into tossing my salad or I’m out the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:19 PM
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I don’t think I’m drunk enough for this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:17 PM

The fact that so many “losers” are married or partnered contradicts that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:13 PM
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Oh. You think all impoverished women don’t really love their current partners and would all leave for a movie star?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:46 PM
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If women get aroused for only the best genes, why are there so many trailer park full of women married to and making child with unhealthy, impoverished men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:36 PM
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Tell that to all the women in trailer parks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:21 PM
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It’s not just male-to-female tho. Tons of people meet their partners online. I’ve met three partners this way (one woman and two men; I’m queer)- not through OLD, but through websites where people chat as they share a hobby together. One was a site you could post and comment on writing, and eventually I got to really like another writer’s work, and found out they liked my work, so we started chatting and eventually fell in love. Two were from online RPGs (one was White Wolf oriented, the other a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:17 PM

Why do you keep them in your life? I don’t think I’ve talked to any of my exes in decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:54 AM

If you’re still friendly with your exes, it sounds like they still bring value to your life worth keeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:41 AM

I mean… for me, I’m just in love with my partner. They could stay in bed all day and I’d still feel like the sun shined from their ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:34 AM

Your post is thoughtful, but there isn’t much to debate. Men who have been divorced tend to seek remarriage more often than divorced women. So it almost doesn’t matter what you or I consider “better”, some married men clearly seem to think being married is better than being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:01 AM
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That would still mean she was telling the truth, not lying. She didn’t like it. You could try insisting “I promise I’ll do it better, you’ll like it if I’m the one who does it”, but as you said… people lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:57 AM
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No, I’m in my 40’s and I have an infinite list of things I like doing. I don’t put any effort into pursuing things I don’t want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:36 AM
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No, I also don’t do things I don’t like doing in general. Ie, my partner likes going to big conventions, and likes to round up a group of people to go with them. They do cosplay, go to panels, buy stuff at artists alley etc. I personally hate crowds, and don’t like big events. So I have never gone to a con with my partner. I give them a kiss, tell them to have fun, and I stay home. Conversely, they hate rough camping, don’t like sleeping on the ground or not having a hot private shower in the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:21 AM
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You asked if I would do it. I would not. I wouldn’t let my partner do things I don’t like to me, and I wouldn’t do things to my partner that they don’t like. Especially not because “you did it before so now I need to experience it, just for the principle!”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:08 AM
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If my partner said “I know you don’t like X during sex, but I want to do X to you anyway” I would break up with them. Sex should be about both people enjoying the experience. Tell me honestly, dude… would you even be able to enjoy doing a sex act to someone you KNOW doesn’t like it? Could you keep going feeling them tense and gritted as they endure it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:00 AM
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If a woman says “I dont like X during sex” and she doesn’t want to do it when she has sex, it’s pretty safe to assume she’s telling the truth about not liking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:57 AM

Luckily you don’t have to read minds. That’s what communication is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:29 AM
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Yeah, I don’t know why anyone would date someone they don’t think adds anything to their life. These dudes are acting like someone has a gun to their head, forcing them to date shitty women, but it’s not like shitty women are even pursuing them. The PLAN seems to be “date shitty woman, be miserable, complain that I have no choice.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:28 AM

What feels good is defined by nerve endings. Not visual cues. If a woman ENJOYS something, she doesn’t “only do it with attractive men”, she’ll want to experience pleasure even with normal men, because the pleasure is the best part. Now, sometimes a woman will do something she doesn’t like if she thinks she has to, to keep her partner. But I don’t know why anyone would want that- if you don’t care about how a woman feels, you may as well just hire a hooker.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 08:24 AM

No seriously, what’s so wrong with “I tried it and didn’t like it”? Obviously if she LIKED it, she’d want to do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:42 AM

Holy unhinged ad hominem 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:03 PM

?? I’m in a happy relationship going on 25 years strong. When I first had sex with my partner, it was awful. We were so awkward. I’d have given their oral game an F. (I can’t say I was any better, what with having no idea what I was doing.) Fortunately, we were both eager to learn, so we practiced a whole lot. Now we have learned all the tricks , and it’s much better, if give them an A+, could 69 with for hours. The notion that experience doesn’t matter is insane, it’s a huge bonus to know your …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:47 PM

At this point, I’ve comfortably settled on the accepted that about 90% of any demographic, without exception, is either assholes or idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:41 PM
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I don’t. My mom and dad divorced due to dad cheating. I was raised by a single mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:37 PM

lol i thought you meant that, but there’s some wild takes on this sub!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:03 PM

No I mean the actual physical action of giving oral relies on some level of skill, and a a willingness to learn. I can have great chemistry with someone, and even have feelings for them, but if all I feel is teeth when I’m receiving oral, Im still gonna be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:02 PM
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Whups thank you! I fixed it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:58 PM
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No, those are men who have mostly never had sex before, so their experience with sex is just what they think about when they’re masturbating. I love my partner and who they are is something I enjoy in bed as well. Once you’ve had sex where you’re clutching each other and weeping from the intensity of your orgasms, you stop worrying about this kinda shit. When people have sex, they are focused on the sex they are actively having. They aren’t thinking of a partner they had 10 years ago. Not if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:38 PM

You should “stick” with someone who is actively curious about what you like, and is good at communicating what they like in return. And never date someone who tells you that you have to do something or else you don’t love them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:34 PM

I have never met a man who was the same “type” as me. But yes, they mostly ended up fucking men who I also got along with. Which makes sense, since they tend to agree with my judgement about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:32 PM

Ive definitely had bad oral from hot women, and screaming good oral from women who were average.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:30 PM
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Then you should probably not date women who have been adventurous, because even adventurous women aren’t adventurous 24/7. I’m not saying you can’t want adventurous sex, but if you’re already at a point where you can’t love a woman that’s had adventure, if she isn’t doing it FOR you, then I think a sex worker might be closer to your tastes. They’ll do whatever you want, and they don’t expect you to care about how she feels. (I’m not joking. I used to do sex work. I know a lot of sex workers. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:23 PM

These aren’t “excuses” they’re simply reasons a woman might not like something. Everyone has reasons for why they don’t like something. Do you want me to just say “it doesn’t matter why she doesn’t like it, she should let him do it anyway”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:09 PM

You shouldn’t date her if you’re upset with the idea of her having sex in previous relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:06 PM

People don’t have a careful spectrum of partners, where they have only ONE partner they treat well, and all the rest they abuse and neglect, treating each one worse than the last. Every relationship is different, though, because different personalities interact in different ways. If a girl lets a previous bf do anal, and doesn’t like it, it’s insane to assume she’s treating you worse if she doesn’t let you fuck her ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:05 PM

If you think women are using you and lying to you, it makes sense that you wouldnt care if she didn’t like something or not. But it also makes sense why she’d have no reason to do things she doesn’t want to just to please you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:01 PM
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Women have no motivation to do this, as they have no desire to date men they don’t want for the sake of having a baby they also don’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:55 PM
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What does throwing up trash mean? If it’s something I don’t like, and they asked, but accepted it when I said No, I wouldn’t break up with them- I’d appreciate that they accepted my No. But if my partner tried to force me to do something they knew I didn’t want to do, because it’s something THEY want me to do, I’d break up with them, yeah. I grew up living with a narcissist sister. She did a lot of shit like that - telling me to eat weird shit or walk out on the ice of a frozen lake (I almost di…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:54 PM
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No, I don’t suffer for anyone, especially just so symbolically prove love. If someone wants me to suffer to prove my love, I don’t want to date them. I focus entirely on people who don’t want me to suffer, and because I like them, I also don’t want them to suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:18 PM

No, if a man doesn’t like oral, and his girlfriend wants oral, she should just break up with the one who doesn’t like oral and find a man who does. Forcing a man to give oral when he doesn’t like it is exactly how you give a man bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:14 PM

I never once said anything about rape. You aren’t raping anyone by wanting them to do something they don’t want to do. But it’s foolish to say “I have to get the exact same relationship she had with her ex” because obviously, whatever she did with her ex did not result in the relationship lasting. And why is the assumption always that her previous partner was better? Why can’t YOU be her best, instead of focusing on wanting to do things she doesn’t like?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:12 PM
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If I didn’t like doing something and I knew my partner WANTED to do it, I’d be grateful that my partner doesn’t try guilting me into doing something they know I don’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:04 PM
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Yep, sometimes I have to do things I don’t like. But, by definition, I don’t like having to. And I don’t love people who pressure me and claim I don’t love them if I don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:08 PM

Your girlfriend not wanting to have sex with you at all is a different problem from “I want her to have sex identical to her previous partner.” If your girlfriend doesn’t like sex with you at all, it’s irrelevant if she had a previous partner. You should probably break up with her. I don’t know how you’d end up with a woman who doesn’t like you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:07 PM

Humans enjoy sex acts that feel good. When they find sex acts they like, those are the sex acts they want to do during sex. Women who like anal will want to have anal with all of her partners. Did… did you assume that women would intentionally have sex they like LESS with their next partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:58 PM

Women want to do things they enjoy. They don’t want to do things they don’t enjoy. Why would you want your partner to “want” to enjoy something they don’t like? How is that different from saying “my girlfriend doesn’t like anal, but I want to fuck her ass so if fuck her ass she should want it because I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:38 PM

Honestly, most of them were mutual friends. I roll with mostly free love hippy types who don’t do jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:15 PM

It would please your partner to not want them to have to do things they don’t enjoy during sex. Saying “I want my partner to do things they don’t like” is the opposite of pleasing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:14 PM

I don’t see a difference. If a woman needs a man who uses sex toys, she is not compatible with a man who doesn’t like using sex toys. It doesn’t matter if he used sex toys on a woman in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:12 PM

No one has assumed anything negative in this conversation. It’s not the man’s fault if she doesn’t like a sex act. But it does mean the man shouldn’t date her if it’s important he “get to” do that sex acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:31 PM

If you consider it “having to suck it up” and suffering in silence when you don’t get to do sex acts that your partner doesn’t like, you should probably just break up already, cuz you aren’t compatible. In a good relationship, this problem doesn’t come up, because you don’t WANT to do things to your partner that they don’t like. You want to know what they don’t like, so you can AVOID doing it because it makes you feel good to be thoughtful and make her happy. You should bond with them by doing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:30 PM

?? No, generally it’s just she isn’t into that particular sex act anymore for one reason or another. Y’all are crazy with this shit - if a woman enjoys a sex act, she will want to do it with ALL of her partners, because she enjoys it. If she doesn’t want to do something, it’s because she doesn’t find the notion enjoyable. The only “fault” a man has in this scenario is for some reason REALLY wanting his partner to do sex acts she doesn’t want. Because that WILL kill a sexual relationship. Not car…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:23 PM

Tons of reasons. Any reason.Maybe it hurts her back now and she’s realized she likes other positions more. Maybe she got caught fucking in a window by a neighbor and now she can’t get into the headspace she used to. Maybe she doesn’t want to have sex that reminds her of her previous partners. The point is you should focus on doing the things you both can enjoy and bond over as a unique pairing, not trying to make her pretend that you’re her ex and she’s still in her previous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:18 PM

If she’s not in the mood to fuck standing in a window, fucking in a window isn’t going to be good sex, for her. I wouldn’t find it concerning if a woman didn’t want sex she wasn’t in the mood for. That’s just how preferences work. You’re back to “I dont care what she might want, I want her to reproduce the sex she had with someone else, for my sake.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:11 PM

It does require the man to “want what the other guy got” MORE than he wants his partner to enjoy sex with him, tho. If she enjoyed the sex act, she’d want to keep doing that sex act. Saying “she should do it for me even if she doesn’t like it” suggests he doesn’t even care if she would enjoy having it done to her, but he wants to do it to her anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:59 AM

Yes, the more experienced a person is, the better they tend to get. That’s why so many of us prefer LTR’s. My partner and I have been fucking for decades and they know how to give me shivers. We even have an open relationship, but neither of us have bothered having other partners for years cuz I already know my partner is the best, and they know the same about me. You’ve felt nothing til your both clutching each other and sobbing with emotion as you both roar to orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:56 AM

Correct. Which is why it’s meaningless to look at dating apps for the dating trends of women. Because most women don’t use apps at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:36 AM

I don’t think these guys know how to gauge good sex. They always seem to assume the man that came before him MUST have been better than him, which is a product of poor self esteem more than anything. They don’t seem to grasp that “good sex” changes based on what you’ve in the mood for. When she’s feeling adventurous, maybe it’s standing and fucking again a window. If she’s feeling playful, maybe the best sex involves toys or chasing each other around the house naked. If she’s feeling sleepy or v…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:31 AM
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Man that’s wild to me. I wouldn’t date a woman if she didn’t care about who I was as a person. Being bisexual, I’m also grateful at least that there are good men who are capable of having a meaningful relationships. I’m engaged to one. I also used to do male sex work. People paid me to have sex with them. I can’t say it felt BETTER than having a partner that’s crazy about me and actually LIKES talking to me and knowing what’s on my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:24 AM
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What are you talking about, most people (men AND women) only have about 3-5 sexual partners in their entire lives. And yes, younger women ARE having less sex than they used to. As they learn that it doesn’t make men treat them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:16 AM
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Women and women both work very hard for people they want a relationship with. Hell, I had a girlfriend that flew across the country twice a month just to see me while she was away at college. I’ve had gf’s who pay for dates, buy me gifts (one even bought me a new laptop for school!) Women who LIKE a man and feel romantic towards a man will move heaven and earth to be with that man. But no, they aren’t going to “work hard” to pursue men they dont want to date. And one of the primary reasons a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:04 AM
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You’re admitting that men like you are faking romance in hopes that you can exchange it for sex tokens. women get sex as well and if they don't want it they should just be honest about it rather pretending to be straight. Just because a woman doesn’t want sex with you, it doesn’t mean she doesn’t want sex with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:53 AM
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Yep. I’m engaged to my bff. We’ve known each other since we were 13. We’re 40 now. Tho I should point out that 1.) we’re both queer, so one of the reasons we didn’t date sooner was because at that age, neither of us knew what “queer” was. We had always had crushes on each other, tho. We just didn’t know what to do about it. And 2.) we didn’t date until we were in our 30’s because we both had a lot of work to do to be worthy of each other first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:48 AM
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So I have an open relationship, which makes cheating a lot harder cuz I don’t mind my partner getting little strange every now and then. But I would immediately break up with someone if they lied to me about having sex outside the relationship. I need honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:57 AM
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Everyone has to “act a certain way” in social situations. It’s what keeps the fabric of society together. It’s why we don’t climb on tables in restaurants or shit on the sidewalk. You don’t have to do anything. Be as exclusive as you like. I’m a huge weirdo myself so I also have to screen for people who can accept me for who I am… but I also recognize that “who I am” is a thoughtful person who tries to treat the people around me well and who has respect for my environment and my home. If I were …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:35 PM
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What you call “material” are just inevitable conditions all humans have to discriminate between people they want to spend more time with, and people they want to spend less time with. If there’s nothing enjoyable about your company, it’s only logical no one, including women, will want to spend time with you. Now, if you don’t care if no one spends time with you, it’s also logical that you would have no motivation to “improve” to become someone people want to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:06 PM
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So real. My partner and I have known each other for over 25 years, but we’ve only been formally dating for the last ten, because neither of us were passing each other’s red flags for a LTR until we resolved our issues and could function like adults who respect each other and use good communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:03 PM
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I don’t see it being a specificity woman thing, it’s not like RP “calls out” misogyny in their subs either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:22 PM
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Absolutely. But that’s when you have to REALLY care about your partner more than the sex, because you might WANT your partner to be dominant one night, but if they aren’t feeling it, you can’t just get butthurt about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:02 AM
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The way to “teach women not to fetishize rape” is to not slut shame. The narrative of “ravashing a woman” arouses women because in a fantasy, she can envision enjoying sex against her will. This is appealing to women because society looks down on loose women who enjoy sex. So in a fantasy, a narrative where she wasn’t looking for sex, isn’t trying to have sex, but has sex thrust upon her that she enjoys against her will removes latent anxiety that she’s on some level doing something wrong. Many …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:42 PM
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lol nah there are tons of dom women, they just tend to be extremely exclusive due to high demand. I dunno if fetlife still exists but that’s where a lot of my kink friends met their dom ladies. There are also whole kink clubs and cafes and sex houses. You just really have to prove your servitude by actually putting in work and showing her you’re willing to be submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:16 PM
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Male ex-sex worker here! The secret is that most people “like” to be submissive during sex. Being dominant is extremely mentally taxing (you have to make all the decisions, come up with all the activities, you have to make sure your partner is comfortable and enjoying you and doing what you need them to), and most people use sex to relax and get OUT of their heads. Most of the men who say they want a “submissive” woman would NOT be able to handle the responsibility of being dominant. They just h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:13 PM
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What’s makes bluepill worse than AWALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:58 PM
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In a way, being moral and using empathy for others absolutes is beneficial to the self as well. The reason I don’t want to get ahead by lying and cheating is because I wouldn’t be able to look myself in the mirror every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:48 PM
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Lying isn’t illegal, and it benefits lots of people. If you want to get ahead, you can choose to lie to help yourself. The reason many people choose not to lie is because they don’t like lying. If you have no problem lying, no one will be able to give you a convincing reason not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:35 PM
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Because I have a conscience. I work as a shelter counselor, and help people all day. I’ve also done a lot of volunteering at animal shelters, and have fostered litters of feral kittens to tame them down so they could get adopted. I pick up trash and recycle too, lol. I know for some of yall, the notion of helping others sounds crazy, but for people like me, it just feels good to see your world flourish around you and know you helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:09 AM
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I don’t support equal rights because it benefits me, I support equal rights because I prefer people have equal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:12 PM
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Bro, most men and women date each other just cuz they like each other. Women aren’t selecting partners thinking “if I get pregnant, will he hunt and protect me??” they’re thinking “man I like spending time with this guy, I want to keep seeing him.” And men shouldn’t be getting his sense of “security” from a relationship, at all. That means every moment you’re not in a relationship, you’re inherently insecure again. Most people aren’t even reproducing at all these days, don’t worry, there aren’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:03 PM
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So you don’t personally think women only date men with subpar personalities?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:22 PM

Well if only subpar men are getting picked, you’re either saying “I am subpar and thus get picked by women” or you’re saying “I don’t get picked by women, who want men who are subpar compared to me.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:16 PM

What all of us? What’s wrong with the “character” of the men who get dates? What makes the character of men who can’t get dates better? Why do you assume you’re better than all the men in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:11 PM

I thought the complaint was that women were hypergamous and only chased men above their league. Are all the men above their league also subpar?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:41 PM

Show all this evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:39 PM
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Telling women to “move on” if they had bad experiences with men really loses its weight when you follow it up with how MEN have bad experiences with women. Shouldn’t you also be “moving on”?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:36 PM
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Same reason so many women think they’ll be good mothers. Same reason people think they’ll be good pet owners or home owners. Most people aren’t actually thinking of the work that goes into caring for something. They’re thinking of how having that thing will affect their identity. People who THINK of themselves as default “good” assume they’ll be good parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 11:35 AM
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Yes, if you date women who want you to pay for dates, you will be actively pursuing the exact same relationship you claim to hate. No one is making you. So you will have to take responsibility for the fruits of your labor. If you don’t mind dating women even if you don’t like anything about them, you may as well do what that one guy on this sub did: just go down to the local homeless shelter, find a woman, and offer her housing in exchange for a live-in sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:11 PM
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That’s not the question. There’s tons of things men don’t want in a partner. She’s asking what the focus on single moms, as though single moms are out there trying to force you to date them, when all you have to do is not date them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:42 PM
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It doesn’t matter what’s “like”, if you don’t want to pay for dates, don’t date women who want you to pay for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 05:33 PM
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It would also eradicate all fears of having to pay for dates or ending up with women who “bring nothing to the table”. Single moms and women who “over evaluate their own league” would also suddenly be no problem at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:06 AM
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Men post “women suck!” posts on this sub all the time what are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:08 AM
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Ah, the days when grown men could openly sing about how wild they are for sweet 16 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:38 PM
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What makes you think I’m upset? It’s just a fact that the internet is an obviously poor metric through which to evaluate yourself and your problems. The algorithms that accrue are created to give you the most turmoil, because it causes more engagement. Therapy would be a much better environment to assess what life changes would be most beneficial, not some random radfem who has never met you. Literally, dude, once you realize you don’t have to care what people think if you don’t LIKE those peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:47 PM
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Now THAT’S the RP I used to love.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:25 PM
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Same thing applies. If someone online says “men suck! They should do better!”, it doesn’t mean any man at all has to actually do better. You’re free to do whatever you want, and if you don’t think the fault is with you, it’s logical that you would see no reason to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:24 PM
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Rap is what they always bring up as an example because the lyrics tend to go for shock value, but there thousands of rock songs about fucking underaged girls too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:07 PM
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The reason you can’t find the cheat code to make ANY woman want to date you is because there isn’t one. Different women like different things. The purpose of socializing regularly, in mixed company, is you learn how to get along with different types of people. Which helps you figure out how to get along with different types of women, as well as you learn what TYPE you get along with. You will never develop these skills of the only place you learn about women is passively consuming social media p…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:25 PM
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You haven’t really said HOW or where men are being shamed “for having sex” all you did was list women who have not been shamed… as though you think those women SHOULD be shamed? And if you think Megan’s songs about having sex are top racy, you’ll have a heart attack hearing some of the songs men have sung about the shit they’ve done to women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:10 PM
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No one has to do anything. There are homeless men who have decided not to bother trying at all and they are allowed to. But if you want to succeed in a social setting, it’s very hard without doing things that are approved of by the people in that setting
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:54 PM
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I’m struggling to understand what you would consider ideal here. Yes, it’s much easier to live a life where you have a job and are productive- the more people (both men and women!) who work and are productive and beneficial to society the better. Are you saying you want to be able to become a NEET but not have to change your quality of life or anything? And no one likes being treated as check-list, but to people we don’t know, that’s how we are ALL received. Men also have their checklists for wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:07 PM
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What do you mean “u wouldn’t say that about WYMEN!!”? I think women should also be productive and benefiting society. But you also aren’t required to, so I don’t know who “men” are “asking for space” from. You can quit work today, have a screaming fit in your car and go be a NEET right now as we speak and no one would stop you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:58 PM
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Men are still expected to be emotionally useful, protective, stable, productive, responsible, and socially beneficial. Society just changed the branding and language around it. Everyone should try to be these things. Are you saying it would be better for men to be emotionally useless, lazy, unstable, unproductive, irresponsible and unbeneficial to society?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:52 PM
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I don’t think “Positive Masculinity” means what you think it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:46 PM
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I kinda assume these men base all of their conclusions off of growing up online, and assume what “women” do online is all that women do. So they see OnlyFans and Twitter bots and Instagram “influencers” and they search for forums where “women discuss men” and they come away assuming they have now seen everything women do! So they conclude the ONLY thing women do is either complain, show off travel pictures, or sell their underwear online. They’ve never met the boring normie women who work retail…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:36 PM
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I don’t think this is a a specifically “man” thing, women will also bring up their own oppression when men are discussing their own problems (the old adage “men fear getting laughed at while women fear being murdered” is definitely gonna shut up any man talking about his dating problems). Humans are selfish. All of us. We have to each watch ourselves and remind ourselves that other people exist and have full storied lives that we know nothing about. And we should all try hard NOT to give into tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:11 AM

You do seem really preoccupied with the fact that you think those women are “too ugly” to be doing what they’re doing
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:27 AM
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I mean… all of those things HAVE helped millions of men get dates. It’s absolutely how I got the partners I’ve had (meeting people through hobbies and my extended social network that I had good rapport with, and also self-improving so I could be a GOOD partner that can contribute positive energy and stability into a relationship, which in turn made me become more attractive.) It’s the same for all the men I know in relationships to one degree or another. What it sounds like is they tried to be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:54 PM
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If you’ve “followed the advice to self-improve”, can I ask what you’ve improved, but were disappointed to discover “didn’t work”?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:30 PM

It’s not cartoonish. I literally talked to a guy on this sub who said dating women is impossible because women can’t handle it when you “talk to them about reality” and used the pay gap as an example. And all I can think is “this guy doesn’t even realize how annoying he must be to talk to.” A lot of the “unchosen” seem to have this problem where they don’t understand that a major part of what makes women decide if they want to keep talking to you is whether or not it’s been enjoyable to talk to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:12 PM

It’s not a magical “sense”, they’re responding to observable reality. The major issue you seem to be struggling with is that “unattractive” vs “attractive” isn’t just about physical attractiveness, it’s also about behavior and attitudes. If you behave in a way that they know isn’t compatible with them, they will also reject your advances. It’s not ESP, it’s literally just realizing “oh man, this guy keeps trying to debate with me about how they think the pay gap is a myth- I don’t think I’d enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:05 PM

I didn’t say I was surprised. If anything, you seem to agree with me that there is no reason for women to care about what men want, because they won’t appreciate it even if she did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:57 PM
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They “just happened” for me and most of the dudes I know. But we are all social and meet lots of people, which kinda make meeting people you might be compatible with kinda inevitable
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:50 PM

Loads of women already do this. But then men complain that she’s “inconsistent” and that it’s not fair she has better boundaries with subsequent partners. I don’t think women can win this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:44 PM

Women don’t have ESP. If your argument is “I assume women have magical powers” then you either 1.) actually think women have magical powers or 2.) you already know magical powers don’t exist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:28 PM

Yep, because modern RP focuses on “woman bad! DEI bad! Feminism bad!” RP’s focus makes men bitter and antagonistic towards women, which doesn’t help men date women. And it teaches you to be unpleasant to date. Old RP advised against this sort of thing, but the incel invasion completely removed the “don’t start pointless debates with women if you’re trying to date them” stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:17 PM
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Yeah all the nicest guys I know are already married. I feel like a lot of the time these guys say “MEN are struggling”, they’re mostly just talking about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:11 PM
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It applies to any subject. The point is that a lesbian is unlikely to be able to tell you any dates she’s enjoyed with a man, even if she dated perfectly good men who were well behaved on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:57 PM

What shit test is mankind collectively failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:55 PM
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The only people lesbians want to date are women. Those that “tried” to date men don’t tend to enjoy it due to lack of attraction for the men. They won’t be able to tell you what makes them enjoy dating men even if they dated men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:19 PM
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The secret is both genders are hard to date. But if you only date men, you will only ever experience what it’s like to date men. Since lesbians date women, the only dating woes they experience are from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:40 AM
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They’re hoping to some day hear something like “he was wearing a blue shirt, bitches love blue shirts” so they can go buy a bunch of blue shirts so they can finally experience “abundance”.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:32 AM

Why do I have to explain such basic logical things to you? Who knows. You seem to think if you explain that it’s not a fallacy, it’s stop being a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 11:26 AM

There is no “exceptions” for fallacies. Even if you personally think there should be. “I don’t actually mean that many, I’m just exaggerating” isn’t acceptable as a debate response.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:49 AM
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None of this says women don’t like men who are kind. These show women like attractive men and men who aren’t pushovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:43 AM

In debate, hyperbole is literally a fallacy because it relies on over exaggeration
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:39 AM

What you can learn from someone who acts like a gentleman: They want to behave cooperatively in public, understand the benefits of being polite, and have actually learned what behaviors are most appropriate. What you learn from someone who doesn’t act like a gentleman: They either don’t know how to be polite, or they don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:20 AM
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lol I’m not used to decorum. I will say that if we were allowed to talk about incels, I’d have agreed with a lot of these statements, as directed towards incels
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:16 AM
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Which is a product of ignorance. Just like some people think “the left” are socialist communists. You can’t stop dumb people from being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:00 AM
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Incels are a result of larger societal issues. Red Pill didn’t create incels. Historically, RP also discouraged incels. Saying “the existence of incels makes RP bad” is like saying “the existence of TERFs makes feminism bad.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:51 AM
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Eh, I wouldn’t say RP is inherently negative. Especially the old school RP that was more centered on self improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:46 AM

You should probably tell your friends that ahead of time, as like a “these are my triggers” kind of thing, because it’s actually kinda uncommon for someone to actively NOT want to know or support your friends if they’ve been raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:44 AM

Wait so you don’t just mean this sub? You mean you just want all women you ever meet in your life to just somehow know not to talk to you SPECIFICALLY about anything that involves rape? So like even if a female friend of yours gets raped, you don’t want her to ever talk about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:33 AM

There was also that incel guy in Canada who drove his car into a crowd after posting about his Incel Day of Reckoning
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:14 AM

If Red Pill actually worked, it wouldn’t be associated with losers who say shit like “women can’t HANDLE it when you tell them the pay gap is a myth!”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:08 AM

Why do you require everyone to stop talking about the topic instead of just… not going into conversation where you know it’s going to be discussed? Debate requires acknowledging reality. If you need an environment where people don’t talk about reality, you could try a Disney sub or something. Cuz it’s kinda lame to be like “I came here to debate but please don’t actually say anything challenge to me :(.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:03 AM

See what clearly? AWALT simplifies and generalizes to assume all women are the same. I don’t see how that would make interacting with individual women easier, when in the micro they literally aren’t the same and different women prefer different things Red Pill men seem to bang into more walls than BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:48 AM

What issue is RP correcting?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:06 PM
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This is so interesting. This describes me perfectly. I did used to work in a kitchen, and currently I work in a homeless shelter. My partner cringes just hearing about all the wild things I see and have to do everyday, but I always tell them I’d rather deal with a methhead wielding a machete over politely sitting through meetings every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:04 PM
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For a teetotaler, even one drink is too much. It’s noteworthy that the people who are adverse to “doing things” seem to overlap with the people who think “wanting to do things” is unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:32 PM
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It’s so true. We always come away from the class feeling really affectionate and excited about each other. Now we also have Painting Sunday, where we get together to paint on my balcony together. It’s weirdly heady.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:36 PM
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If you read past that line, and see the rest of my response, you’ll possibly begin to understand that I’m talking about various behaviors assholes do that very obvious DONT attract women. You aren’t even defending the notion that women defend assholes. You even agree with me that women wouldn’t be attracted to asshole behavior here: I didn’t say being an asshole alone gets women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:03 PM
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For people who like crossstitching, absolutely. My partner does knitting and they have a whole baskets of yarn they bought without any plan, and they have a bunch of half-finished projects. I’m the same with art supplies. Have at least 20 unfinished paintings lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:53 PM
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What do you mean? Do you think most women are too ugly for the men they’re dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:50 PM
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Feminism wasn’t invented because of social media 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:33 PM
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Calling a woman ugly isn’t assault. But it still won’t make her want to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:31 PM

Good to see you’ve come around and have realized being an asshole is not going to attract women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:22 PM
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You’ve never observed all the millions of women who don’t complain about men at all and are married to men who have no criminal record, own their own homes and have careers? Guess that’s what happens when you get your information from TikTok. Also no, most non traditional relationships do not involve the woman cheating with a homeless criminal. You sound really young
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:20 PM
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I’m in a happy LTR of over 25 years. I don’t know why you think I “don’t have friends”. I’m really fun, and people find my company enjoyable. Which is WHY I have friends. If women preferred irresponsible criminals, there wouldn’t be so many women married to responsible men who own homes. Or are you gonna say “obviously those women don’t love their husbands, all women are secretly cheating on their husbands with homeless addicts!”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:04 PM

If the majority of women were attracted to assholes, getting a girlfriend would be as easy as slapping a girl’s drink out of her hand and calling her ugly. Meanwhile, incels can call women “foids” and “roasties” and it doesn’t seem to help them get laid at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:56 PM
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You’re allowed to think everyone out having fun is immature, and that “not having fun” is a sign of maturity, if you like. But it doesn’t change the fact that people are able to have fun while also being mature. Ie, I’ve paid off all my student loans, have a good career, own my own home and car, am taking extra classes just to learn more skills, but I’m still a blast to hang out with and people really like my company, because I don’t consider everyone else beneath me like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:44 PM
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Emotional distance IS boring! Who the fuck would want a relationship with someone who just sits there silently, doing nothing and not responding to you? Luckily, you can be mature as well as fun and entertaining, which is absolutely attractive to women. This is literally what people are talking about when they say women like confident men who have things going on in their lives. No amount of trying to reframe “fun” as “hyper and childish” is going to succeed at making a someone who is boring and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:23 PM
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Bro, what? When shit hits the fan, you absolutely want someone who is active and unafraid of new things over a lazy introvert who doesn’t like having to do things
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:06 PM
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Being a “life of the party” has nothing to do with maturity. You can be mature and also the life of a party - that’s basically what Hosting is. Have you never had a party before? Do you think it’s “mature” to just stand unmoving and unspeaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:02 PM
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To homebodies, everyone who goes out and does shit is doing too much. There’s a reason the men who complain the most about struggling with dating are also men who complain about how much they hate going out and having fun talking to women on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:53 PM
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It’s not addiction just because you like something. And it’s easy to be in a relationship and also get novel stimulation- the great thing about active people is they’re always down to go try new things! My partner and I are both really active and it’s great - we went on a roadtrip to Portland last weekend to see a concert and are currently taking an oil painting class together. After seeing all the people complain about “having to do things” on dates makes me realize what a blessing it is to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:50 PM
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The word you’re looking for is “active”. And many folks like active people, not just women. Active people tend to enjoy going out on adventures and generally seeking novel stimulation, which we’re biologically hard-wired to derive pleasure from. They’re entertaining and generally good at coming up new things to do. You construe “activity” with being “hyper” because you have negative feelings towards these people. We call people hyper when we don’t like them being active, usually because we are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:00 PM

What does your ideal woman (or man) dress like? I like laid-back and a little funky. The t-shirt and big earrings vibe. What values do you think she might communicate through her own clothing? That she’s laid back, probably not very judgement, and is amused by small social behaviors. What's the story you tell to yourself (or others) through your appearance? That I’m laid back, confident, and don’t mind getting dirty. Do you think your clothing and style matches your values? Yes. Do like-minded p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:55 AM
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I’m sure some do! Some may also crave it only until they have a few relationships, and then find the craving dwindle. Some never craved it at all, and just dated the women whose they enjoyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 06:12 PM
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I mean… yes? It’s logical to assume that if you have “disgusting feelings” that people would have a hard time loving you. But I don’t understand why tricking a woman and hiding your disgusting feelings from her cuz you know she’d leave you if she ever knew is MORE desirable than looking inward, addressing your disgusting feelings and why you have them, and becoming a better person who deserves love? Edit: I guess a disgusting person might prefer deception?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:53 PM
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You can, though. Through the power of Social Skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:37 PM
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I wouldn’t consider it a success if the only reason a woman dates you is because you successfully tricked her into thinking you’re not as shitty as you secretly know you are. It also doesn’t bode well for her, considering you have no problem deceiving her into making bad long term life choices. It’s a lot more satisfying if you actually put in the work and become that person that your loved one deserves
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:34 PM
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I always say if you want what someone’s got, you gotta do what they’re doing. Highly social people who roll in large mixed groups have the most opportunities to connect with someone who might be compatible with them. But if you’re saying “this dude doesn’t believe in romance”, well… if he just wants quick sex and doesn’t care about the rest, he may as well hire a hooker. The joke in the sex worker industry is “you pay them to leave.” Boom. Quickest sex if you don’t need romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:26 PM
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This is not something all men uniformly experience. Most men have had relationships by the time they were 30. I think what weren’t seeing are the youngest and most isolated men being massively over represented. Some men crave female validation. Some men have literally never cared, because they had whatever cocktail of social experiences needed to produce a person that can just… “meet people” and be welcomed into social groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:13 PM
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If you don’t care how other people feel about you, that’s inherently going to work against you in dating. Because when you date someone, you care very much about how they feel about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:01 PM
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In a relationship, you will eventually HAVE to start being real. It just happens. We eventually are going to say something that’s actually sincere. The reason it’s best to be real from the start is it helps you screen out the people who aren’t compatible with you. The people don’t mind (or god forbid, LIKE) you as you are when you aren’t putting on an act. I can’t think of an alternative other than what, “lie for the rest of your life”?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:48 PM
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But obviously women know that all women don’t have the same view. That’s why they argue with each other. There’s just as many men on this sub who make sweeping claims about “what men want” that’s obviously not what all men want. You’re the one trying to make women a monolith by claiming this is something all women monolithically do. When in reality some women do, some women don’t, and some men DO or don’t as well. If you OP was just “not all people seem to know they aren’t a monolith” they’d be …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:22 PM
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So your example of women “not knowing” they aren’t a monolith is you saw a group of women having differing opinions in a discussion? It sounds like all the women in your story were very aware of their differing opinions, considering they were openly discussing their different opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:17 PM
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It’s not that hard to understand, dude, it’s just the difference between “I like you, and I want you to like me back” and “I like looking at you, and I don’t care if you like it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:06 PM
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It doesn’t matter how attractive you are if a woman isn’t in the mood to be leered at. You continue to ignore the part where the woman is a full human being who isnt always available or interested in hearing about how many men would like to fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:59 PM
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If they’re your friend, they obviously already like you. They aren’t lying if they genuinely think you’d make a good partner. Most people don’t want to date their friends. That doesn’t mean most people don’t LIKE each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 05:18 PM
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Why focus on female friends? MOST friends will tell you that you’re great. That’s why they’re friends with you. Just be a normal person, recognize that they’re trying to cheer you up, and say “thanks.” These posts seem to be written by people who have never had friends before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:56 PM
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That is only an incentive if you don’t mind doing bad things. Lying, cheating and stealing absolutely can get you ahead in life. The reason most people don’t lie, cheat and steal is because they don’t want to lie cheat or steal, due to internal morality. If you don’t give a shit, and assume all women are terrible, you can just steal some money and hire a hooker tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:14 AM
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Think of it this way: are you a bad man? Do you like doing bad things? If YES, then you will have an easy time in a relationship with a woman who likes bad things, because you already do bad things. But if you aren’t a bad man and you don’t like doing bad things, the relationship will be terrible because you’re dating someone who always wants you to do bad things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:05 AM
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I don’t think you’ll find too many people who disagree. It’s less that young men disagree so much as the ones who are struggling with dating also tend to be struggling with socializing in general, and thus don’t tend to run into enough opportunities to date as they’d like. And god forbid you suggest they trying HOSTING a gathering, the idea of planning a fun evening for people to spend together is basically telling them to bathe in acid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:10 PM

Yep. It’s also part of behavioral therapy to recognize what triggers bad habits, and then learn how to avoid those triggers, rather than just helplessly be triggered and unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:12 PM

No. While improving your health can make you more physically attractive, self improvement is mostly about developing healthy habits that make you more appealing to other healthy people so you can live a good life. One of those “healthy habits” should be “rejecting people who aren’t healthy or compatible with you.” Red Pill used to agree, back when it preached about Nexting and Abundance instead of “men are oppressed and women must be stopped!”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:21 PM
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Again, it’s more that I didn’t prioritize the right things. My previous LTR lasted 8 years- she had a good sense of humor, cute, artistic… but she struggled with change, and she sucked at living in the moment and just enjoying herself. Meanwhile, I love changing and moving and finding new ways to do things. Eventually we broke up (amicably!) because I wanted to move to another city and she… hated the city she was in, but didn’t want to move. So I moved and she didn’t. Meanwhile, my current partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:22 PM
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I guess compatibility. My first few partners, I didn’t know what to prioritize. I liked the “idea” of having a partner, so all it took was one or two traits I liked and I was down to clown… but there were always things missing. I eventually realized I was dating “for my ego” instead of trying to find someone who could “keep up with me.” I needed someone who could surprise me rather than just feel like an acquisition. My current partner has my same priorities: self improvement, tenacity, the desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 10:17 AM
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It took a long time and a few failed relationships, but I’ve finally gotten a relationship that has everything I need. We just like each other. We’ve known each other for decades and still stay up all night talking. We love each other’s bodies and don’t take shit seriously. As I write this response, we’re on vacation at a hotel; we’re gonna go to some Japanese sunken gardens tomorrow then a Queens of the Stoneage concert in the evening. This is my favorite person. And I’m theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:46 AM
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No, dude, the advice around I Am the Prize isn’t “get better, so someday you’re the prize”. It’s not about self esteem at all. It’s “don’t give time and attention to people who don’t deserve your time and attention.” It was RP advice to help men avoid falling into simping behavior by encouraging them to realize they should only give their time and attention to people (both men and women) who earn it by treating you well or doing things you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:39 PM
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No, that’s literally not even what it means. I Am the Prize isn’t aspirational, it’s about realizing that your time and attention are valuable and you shouldn’t just give it away freely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:01 PM
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I Am the Prize isn’t about “making women acknowledge you”. It’s about recognizing that your time and attention are inherently valuable and you shouldn’t give them to just anyone. It’s difficult for me to have a conversation with you about how RP has been reinterpreted, when you, yourself, have come to your own unique interpretation that’s different from what OG RP used to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:34 PM
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They changed their physique by changing their behavior. Going to the gym and eating well are much better behaviors than staying in to watch TV and eating Cheetos
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:20 PM
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1.) See? even you pick and choose which parts of RP you subscribe to. Abundance Mentality isn’t “look at the options right in front of you, and if you don’t see any, assume you have none :(.” It’s about knowing not to sink all your hopes in a single option. (And you completely ignored the other ones like I Am the Prize and Nexting.) If someone only spoke to you, they wouldn’t even know RP taught men I Am the Prize or Abundance Mentality. 2 & 3.) It’s RP’s responsibility to control their own mess…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:14 PM
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A six pack is absolutely developed by behavior. A disciplined routine, which absolutely says something about you as a person. A sharp jaw line can’t be improved through a work out for behavior. But RP also doesn’t say “go get yourself a sharp jaw line.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:00 PM
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Going to the gym is also behavior. Healthier life habits result in a healthier body.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 12:57 PM
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You’re missing a lot of nuance, and it’s confusing you. To accurately understand this conversation, you would need to first acknowledge that: 1.) many men call themselves RP, but then make statements that directly contradict RP (ie some say “men don’t have the luxury of being selective!”, which directly contradicts RP’s own “I Am the Prize” as well as “Nexting” and “Abundance Mentality”.) 2.) Because original RP advises AGAINST pointless debate, the loudest voices debating tend to be men who don…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 12:55 PM
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“Game” is behavior, not looks. And if these men “improved their looks”, that also means they changed their behaviors, and it made them look better. Which means it was also behavior that changed to make them more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 12:44 PM
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What do recommend “studying”? Most people still look back to the old RP subreddit. But back in those days, RP absolutely did NOT focus on looks. I’m curious where modern RP gets its sources
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 12:38 PM
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It’ll really depend on the state of the world. 14 years ago, I assumed abortion access was set in stone and that it was safe to be queer in public. Now, some women have to flee to other states to seek abortions, and even that can be dangerous and result in punishment. My trans friends literally can’t travel right now because their ID’s were nullified and they can’t get passports. They’re literally just… hoping they can get back to their lives in 3 years. If a lot of the practices that are strang…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:44 AM
0

If we can just list random shit you’ve seen someone say online, you could also say “men want to return to the days when it was legal to rape and beat their wives, and make it impossible for her to divorce from her abusive husband because she’s also not allowed to work or own property.” Because I’ve seen men say these things. Now, as a sane person, I recognize that most men, even in Red Pill, aren’t saying this. In the same way, I also recognize that most feminists are not trying to “make it ille…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:35 AM
3

Would Red Pill do better in a society where women were less educated and had fewer work opportunities?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 11:24 AM

It’s great advice. There’s a lot of pressure on a first date to form a good rapport. If your first meeting is just that - a low-stakes meeting, to see if you get along or would be compatible - it saves you a lot of time, money effort down the line. Way less pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:51 AM
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You don’t “need” to. But proudly announcing that you don’t give a shit about women’s rights is extremely counterproductive if your goal is to get a woman to like you, trust you, or want to spend her life with you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:20 PM

Either you’re saying “some women are agreeable and nice”, which contradicts your previous assertion that they’re attracted to “Machiavellian behavior” (which is NOT nice), or you’re saying “men are attracted to NICE women, but no man has ever found a woman he’s attracted to yet.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:56 AM

To be fair, men are too. Or they wouldn’t keep dating terrible women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:49 AM
9

If you blame your decision on someone else, you are not taking responsibility for your decisions. There are people in this world who would “reward” me for doing bad things. Some people make a whole business out of it. Many rich people get rich by doing bad things. Those people can claim “I’m not bad! I was trained to lie cheat and steal because it makes me money!” But the existence gain does not remove the fact that you chose to. You were not forced to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:00 AM
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If a man prefers a toxic relationship over no relationship, that’s also something he’s allowed to want. But that man is responsible for his own decisions. The existence of men who choose not to pursue toxic women are evidence that it’s an available choice. Men who become toxic because they want a toxic relationship, and then blame women for “training” them to be toxic are not taking responsibility for their own decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:53 AM
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The behavior of other humans doesn’t exist to “train” you. Humans will pursue their individual desires. It’s not about “you” at all. If a woman doesn’t date someone because he’s “boring” it’s because she find him boring, not because she wants to “punish” him or train all of society to not be boring. Similarly, if a man doesn’t want a toxic life, he isn’t going to want to date a woman who prefers toxic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:56 PM
1

What an extremely specific scenario!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:17 PM
3

You already poisoned it yourself by thinking “now I don’t get the chance to date her friends :(“. It shows that you don’t care about her, in particular. You’d date any of her friends, it doesn’t matter who.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:15 PM
3

I miss OG red pill, back when they talked about keeping frame and I Am the Prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:13 PM
0

I don’t see the connection. It’s easier to make a woman feel special if you take the time to get to know her
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:27 PM
3

So these women just walk up to you at the grocery store and say “give me your money”? I’ve never experienced this before but it sounds about as easy to ignore as a panhandler isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:25 PM
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And men don’t take women’s issues as seriously as their own. The biggest problems in all of our lives are the ones we experience. Otherwise, you are just going to sacrifice yourself your whole life for others. I’d rather women prioritize their own problems over men’s. Because if women put their own preferences aside and began sleeping with every man who was lonely, men won’t thank them for it. They’d just call those women sluts and complain about how they can’t find a virgin to deflower.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:25 PM
6

How are women asking you for money? I’ve never felt compelled to give women my money, so I’m just wondering what sort of circumstances it happens in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:19 PM
1

Who is being helped in this case?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:05 PM
2

No one likes feeling interchangeable with anyone else. You keep ignoring this detail. Asking out a woman in your social circle because you have developed a rapport and you BOTH already like each other and your individual personalities mesh well is generally HOW people get partners from their social circle. Because it’s about how how much you both like each other. What you’re describing sounds like treating a social circle as though it’s a dating app, and you don’t really care about “which” woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:02 PM
1

2.) it would really depend on how close together you ask them. If you ask out one chick, and then the next day ask out one of her friends, but you had no romantic or rapport-building with either of them, it’s just obvious that you want “a relationship, any relationship”. But if you ask out a girl who you’d been talking to, get rejected but then 10 months later you’ve been talking a lot to a different girl and think you get along really well and you ask her out, no one is gonna be scandalized. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:14 PM
5

So… you’re complaining about how men’s struggles are dismissed, even though you aren’t struggling and I haven’t dismissed anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:20 PM
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More like…. 1.) Work is bad because SOME people are only there to work, and it’s harder to tell because people tend to be on good behavior at work. It’s rare for a cold approach to work. Less rare if it’s a coworker you have always gotten along with who is very warm towards you in particular. 2.) Other circles aren’t inherently bad, but if you go around asking out ALL the women, it makes you look like you just want a date, and don’t care who with. This is a social skills thing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:12 PM
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Did I say something that makes you feel like I dismissed your struggle?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:07 PM
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Because it’s how many bluepillers get dates. They’re telling you how they did it. But it does rely on you having good social circles… AND you having enough social skills to know when it’s appropriate. If you’re asking out ALL the women in your social group, it’s obvious you’re just friends with them to try “getting a girlfriend”. Not because you have specific feelings that developed naturally for a single person. Usually, friendship becomes romantic only when both parties are already interested.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:49 PM
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It’s generally less that you’ve asked someone out (which happens all the time), it’s HOW you asked, and how you behaved afterwards. I’ve dated a few folks from my friend circles, and I FAILED to date a few folks from my friend circles. Just saying “would you ever want to get coffee sometime, one-on-one? I’ve really been enjoying talking to you.” Is nice, neutral and explains your intentions. If she goes “no, sorry” and you go “okay, that’s fine”, the chances of anyone being upset are nearly zero…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:38 PM
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The fixation on “needing to be loved” is easy to understand. But saying “I’ll love anyone who gives me love” means you don’t care about the other person at all. Their personality doesn’t matter as long as they give you love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:22 AM
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I am a man! Obviously men want to be loved. But if you don’t care WHO your partner is as long as they’ll date you, you don’t love them. You just need a warm body to fit a role, so you don’t have to identify as “single” anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:53 AM
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It’s impossible to love someone just because they “ask you” to. A man who would take “a woman, any woman” because he just wants a relationship and doesn’t care who with is never going to be a good partner. Because he doesn’t care about his partner at all, he just doesn’t want to be single
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:30 AM
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Yes, men who have something to offer (in this case, looks) will always do better than men who have nothing to offer
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:06 AM
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You’re agreeing that these dudes would rather have bad options over no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:05 AM

If you just replaced clubs with “any regular extended social gatherings” I’d agree with you. But as an introvert, it’s not accurate that I am choosing to be. Socializing is just extremely taxing for me, so I have finite energy to give before it’s genuinely unpleasant to receive human stimulation, no matter how nice the person is, and I need time alone to decompress. Fortunately, there are other places than clubs. Like church, writing groups, niche communities (like furries or goths or punks or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:43 PM
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As is flirting
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:54 PM
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If you tell yourself “I’m incapable of being happy with my life if I don’t have a romantic partner”, the problem is bigger than “I cant get a date.” People who say “I cant feel real happiness until I’m in a romantic relationship”, also tend to be the people who later say “If you break up with me, I’ll probably kill myself.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:50 PM
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No, it’s about knowing how to talk to people and not being an obnoxious git who thinks “the pay gap isn’t real!” is a perfectly acceptable conversation for a first date
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:46 PM
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You seem to be ignoring the rest of what I’m saying . I agree it takes more than just having friends. You have to also live a life you’re proud of. Otherwise, you wont be able to trust someone even if they did try to date you. Which we see every day on this sub. “I have never had a relationship” just turns into “she settled for me because she can’t get Chad. But I’m sure she’d have better sex with Chad than she does with me.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:43 PM
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If you’re convinced no woman can love you, that just means even if you got a relationship, you would assume she also doesn’t love you. Guys on this sub say it all the time: even if she married you, she’s just settling, just wants your money, she’s dried up and can’t get Chad etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:26 PM
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Yes. It requires having GOOD friends and a life you’re actually proud of. Most of the men who complain on this sub have an extended narrative that even if they got a woman, she’s never going to love you as much as her past partner, or she going to cheat, she “settled”, she just wants to divorce rape you, she’s trying to trick you ect. This mindset comes from an assumption that no one can love you. Before you can even start a relationship, you have to like yourself enough to believe other people …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:23 PM
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Cuz if you had friends and hobbies and a life you’re proud of, you wouldn’t be so miserable and lonely and convinced that women will never love you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:13 PM
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You sound like you’re once again guessing and have no actual experience or sources informing your opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:45 PM
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Considering most men have relationships throughout their lives, it sounds like you’re saying “most men are terrible”, which I guess I could agree with. Tho the men who can’t get dates are also pretty terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:35 AM
1

?? Do you assume most people write posts with the expectation that people won’t believe them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:16 AM
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Even in the US, right as we speak, there are social groups where open relationships and polyamory are common, and you don’t dictate to your partner who they’re allowed to spend time with. I know because I tend to look for these communities, as my partner and I also have an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:03 AM
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So you have no evidence and just assume everyone acted like they do in modern times? Cuz even now, in societies that don’t have as much enforced monogamy, there IS no concept of “fucking someone else’s partner.” You don’t own your partner, and your partner doesn’t own you. In such a society, you are also free to have sex with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:35 AM
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When I was doing escorting, I sorta thought of it as a type of physical therapy. Somewhere between a massage and a moral-boosting counseling session. It’s not the same thing as romantic sex. But it also isn’t supposed to replace it. It’s just a thing some dudes do to feel in tune with their bodies in a safe environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:31 AM
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I mean yeah, I guess I do expect to write whatever I want, that’s how writing works. I don’t need to demand anyone read it, you’re already doing it on your own
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:26 AM

As someone who also has undiagnosed ADHD, I literally couldn’t even feel like a normal, functioning person until I was able to find a partner who knew what my weaknesses were, and was still patient with me even when I forgot things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:52 PM

I write it because I actually have applicable experience in fields that many people on this sub have no experience with. Posts like these do not fully grasp the complexity of how children with sensory issues develop, and assigning traits like “pain in the ass” to “autism” instead of “bad parenting” is never going to help a person with autism. And had a lot of room to harm them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:49 PM

It sounds like your issues is less “autistic men are coddled too much” and more “I don’t like when men use autism as an excuse for bad behavior, regardless of their upbringing.” If you had started with the latter, your post would have been universally agreed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:37 PM

This post focuses entirely on autistic men. A post just saying “anyone who is spoiled has a higher chance of developing behavioral problems” wouldn’t be receiving any push back. It’s the need to focus specifically on the people who struggle the most, without acknowledging that even perfectly neurotypical people have just as high of a chance to develop behavioral problems if exposed to the same environment, that make this post ableist. Hell, most people would agree with you if you just said “anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:26 PM

Making an accommodation for someone with a disability is not the same thing as “boys will be boys.” And again, the assumption that autistic people get coddled flies in the face of how frequently autistic people are bullied. Most people already don’t cut autistic people slack (men and women!) Focusing on autistic men as the REAL problem is goofy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:21 PM
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I have a feeling that’s why they complain about how dating advice doesn’t work. It’s not a manual to get the high score. You can do everything right and still fail for unforeseen reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:11 PM

You need to look at this issue in a more mature way. You're overreacting. This is exactly OP's point. I’m a counselor who works with a lot of autistic clients. I’m stating facts. If you consider that an overreaction, I’d say you’re the one who’s being sensitive. Being strict and giving no quarter to someone with a disability doesn’t teach them to be warm, well-rounded people. It just makes them anxious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:59 PM

Most autistic people aren’t stalking anyone. There are probably more non-autistic stalkers than autistic stalkers. Why focus only on the people who have disabilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:57 PM

If the problem is “spoiling a kid gives them behavioral problems”, that’s different from saying “specifically, autistic people get coddled too much and it makes them have tantrums”. If your focus is on specifically autistic people, not “anyone who presents bad behavior”, then you’re excusing all the non-autistic people who also manifest these behaviors. Why focus on just one demographic that already experiences disproportionate bullying?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:54 PM

That’s what happens when you have a disability. You sometimes struggle with things that able people don’t. This means you sometimes need accommodation. Disability doesn’t just go away if you don’t accommodate the disability. The disabled person just doesn’t get to do as many things if they don’t receive help.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:50 PM

Autism doesn’t cause tantrums or sexual harassment. Those behaviors exist even in neurotypical people. And making life harder is the opposite of how you teach children pro-social behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:46 PM

Just because some people are assholes, it doesn’t mean you should never let an autistic person experience kindness. As a counselor, there is no indication that “not cutting a child slack” produces healthy results. But there is a lot of evidence that “not cutting a kid slack” can cause anxiety disorders and a defeatist mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:43 PM
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What makes you think that? Relationships are awesome when both parties in the relationship actually like each other. You have someone to share bills with, so you can afford more things. You have someone to cuddle with, talk to, share your thoughts with, and you get the perspective of someone you love and respect. It’s the mindset of “I’m lonely and desperate, so I’ll accept anyone, even if we don’t get along!” that is dangerous. Which is why people say you should have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:22 PM

Assuming all an autistic person needs is “tough love” to get them to act like “normal” citizens shows how little you actually understand autism. Autistic people endure far more bullying than the average neurotypical. Also it’s ableist as hell. Like. One step away from just asking them “have you ever thought of just being normal?” Or maybe worse since you seem to think what they need is to suffer more
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:57 PM
5

I’d say maintaining a sense of humor is an accomplishment all on its own. I always joke “We’re laughing so we don’t cry.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:30 PM
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Absolutely. Both me and my partner had some shit to work through before we could be the person we wanted to be for each other. I had to become a lot more organized, and they had to learn to relax
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:13 PM
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Some days, it felt like a genuine accomplishment just to not self-harm. I hope you’ve been able to find some stability
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:07 PM
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I have to assume this is what happens when you’re raised by video games. They think of “attractiveness” as though it’s a stat, and as long as they have a high stat, they “win”. But they seem to think they’ll just… sit there silently across the table from their partner and all they have to is “be attractive” and they assume their girlfriend will just sit there and be happy staring at them silently all night. It also manifests in how they think about sex and the constant need to “rank top score” f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:06 PM
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“Decentering” just means you don’t structure your life around chasing relationships. It doesn’t mean you have sworn off relationships. The healthiest relationships are ones where both people also have lives independent of the relationship, so you can still be out gathering your own novel life experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:58 PM
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My student loans were going into default. I’d been through a few bad turns and was dealing with black depression. My LTR of 8 years had ended. I had to move away from the city I loved in search of more work. I’d realized that I was already higher functioning than my mother, who never went to college and was in worse debt than me. I realized that the core determinant for whether a man likes himself or not is if he can be proud of himself, and there’s no greater revenge against those who held me b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:53 PM
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Yo I’m addicted to self improvement, it’s been so bad that I climbed out of debt, fixed my credit score and bought a house! I hope if I can raise awareness, others will spare themselves the trouble and cling to their struggles like it’s an irreplaceable identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:07 PM

I thought my point was pretty obvious: It’s not that men are “getting” less women, it’s that fewer men are even trying. Of course you won’t have as many romantic opportunities if you don’t ever expose yourself to romantic opportunities. Women can’t force you to meet them. And if you never meet them, it’s impossible for them to date you even if you might have been compatible
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:50 PM
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Women and bluepillers are constantly advising men to work on their social skills and practice having conversations with women (and men!) in mixed company groups so they can have better experiences on dates. The problem is the dudes who don’t WANT this advice don’t follow it, and treat this advice like it’s a waste of time if they aren’t 7ft tall
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:46 PM

https://www.mystateline.com/news/national/almost-half-of-young-men-have-never-approached-a-woman-romantically-study/ Almost 50% of (surveyed) young men aged 18-25 have never approached a woman in their lives. They just mope around online with other men who have also never approached, and they talk about how it’s not worth it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:33 PM

It has always come down to who is social and who isn’t. Many of the men who describe themselves as lonely have never even tried approaching a girl, much less spend time in mixed gender groups or maintaining a wide social network. The modern men who still bother to be social and fun to talk to are dating just as much as they ever have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:28 PM
1

I’m sure some men will try these pathetic attempts at pretending to be someone they think others will like, because some men already make these sort of pathetic attempts to get people to like them. But it’ll be less about “dating” and more a product of being chronically online and assuming that they need to live and look like an “influencer” in order to have friends. But there will always men who have actual social skills who don’t do these goofy things, and they will be infinitely more desirabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 12:21 PM

I think some of the frustration comes from the previous generation being frustrated that we never really had a choice. If I wanted to be social, I literally had to learn to invite friends over, and subsequently learn how to plan outings and road trips and shit. But it massively improved my dating life, cuz I already knew how to sound fun and come up with things to do together
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:50 AM

Oh, I agree that it’s asking them to do more than their cohorts. Hell, even people over 30 have less motivation than they used to. My partner and I joke that “customer service is dead.” But man, having social skills in a world where most people don’t is basically a super power. Men who know how to be a good host and entertain guests will do infinitely better than a dude who’s primarily social interactions are chatting online with moody edgelords.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:30 AM

Tho I guess you could say that’s a product of more people in the current generation being more passive and preferring not to put in as much effort into actual socialization. Cuz there ARE still people today who have active, robust social lives. But they aren’t the ones who spend all their time online (especially in circles where people just complain all day.) Whenever folks in my circles wanna be social, we have a dinner party or a brunch where folks can smoke weed and mingle with each other. A …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:22 AM
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I agree that it’s goofy to expect a one-sided open relationship, because the expectations aren’t fair. But there’s plenty of open relationships that work just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 02:10 PM
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If just “trying to help” was enough, there wouldn’t be so many men complaining that advice from women hasn’t worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:10 PM
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If the date fails, you didn’t help him. He’s right back to complaining that women are worthless and don’t help. The only guaranteed way to make sure a man “get to experience” sex is to make sure someone has sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:53 AM
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If she’s willing to put aside the preferences of her friends. Tho most friends don’t tend to respond positively to “I promised this guy you’d have sex with him.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 09:49 AM
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What does social anxiety have to do with “helping men get sex”?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:57 AM
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I assume it’s usually because women recognize the only guaranteed way to “help” a man get sex is if she puts her own preferences aside and has sex with him without asking for anything in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 08:41 AM
2

No, it doesn’t really stand up under investigation. But not all fear listen to reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 07:06 PM
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What do you mean by simping/simps? Cuz I’ve seen it used to describe anything from “man stuck in the friendzone who does anything for a girl who isn’t even dating him” all the way down to “if you think your wife loves you, you’re a simp.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:59 PM
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It’s not my personal concern, but I believe this fear is based more around the idea that a woman might use “withholding sex” as a punishment to coerce men into doing what she wants in exchange for sex. No, it doesn’t really stand up under investigation. But not all fear listen to reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:36 PM
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Half of “society” is other men. All you’re saying is “I’d rather other men pay for my baby.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 08:31 AM
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The man is picking an irresponsible partner as well
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 05:57 AM
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