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DebateIronDBZ/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 03:55 AM
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Question For WomenIronDBZ/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:31 PM
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Question For WomenIronDBZ/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:36 AM
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TRP accountability lesson: And how is the red pill relevant to me? That's not my religion. I don't believe in blaming people for what others do to them. That's how narcissists think. "It's your fault I did this." Is the exact kind of thinking I'm talking about. That isn’t what happy wife happy life means. It means different things at different times. You're right that that is how it works...in healthy relationships with women who are worth investing time into.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:43 AM
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Because being a shitty partner usually ends in shitty relationships and that is an accountable consequence. If you're the reason why the relationship is shitty, the one facing the consequences is your partner. Can you be specific? She asked a vague, broad question, so she got a general answer. There's nothing to be specific about. If you want me to tell a sob story about my cheating ex making excuses for herself, you'll have to catch me on a different day. People who can't handle responsibility …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 03:28 AM
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Who do women owe accountability to? What exactly are they being accountable for? The people around them. Their actions and how they affect others. What is the expected outcome of this accountability? Less dysfunctional relationships, more self-reflective people, less social cover for narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:34 AM
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There are other ways to contribute to society than having kids. But go off, since you want to be offended. Maturity simply means willingness to suffer and live your life with the least amount of pleasure and personal enjoyment possible. It means finding a balance that doesn't leave everything you valued in life to rot after you're dead. There's a balance between enjoying your life and abandoning the world. we need to have more children Or become immortal, or learn some way to convince the people…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:26 AM
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In the US context, Progressive entails a lot more than just broad social outlook, it's also about what you do about it. What your ideal modes of action are. I'm not a peaceful protest and coffee kind of guy. Still funny that the religious zealots keep having much more healthy attitudes though, right? I don't think they're more healthy, just more sustainable. You can live a lot longer if you drink the dirty water you're given rather than go thirsty looking for something perfect. Religious people …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:20 PM
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You might be huffing paint if you think secular progressives control society. Books are getting banned, public libraries are getting privatized, public health officials are being banned from collecting data about covid. If you can't tell when you're winning, you might be losing the plot. Progressives don't have children because your values just don't fit very well with making those kinds of sacrifices. The fact that conservatives are the ones having families should make you wonder if something i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:05 PM
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TERF code detected... Hypergamy is about seeking what is above you. Men do not only find women who are more attractive than them to be attractive. Plenty of men are in relationships where they're the pretty one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 04:42 AM
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There will always be people with a fundamental difference of values and opinions. There will always be people fighting for more power. There will always be people with zero qualms taking what they want by force and deceit. No peace is permanent. No gains can't be lost. On this, we very much agree. Good luck to you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:40 AM
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they're politicized by others. Politics is other people. And to other people, you are other people. There's no such thing as an apolitical decision. And believing that there is, is the worst political decision you can make. I made a decision to not smoke crack. A crack-less life is a decision. Just because you don't think about something doesn't mean that it wasn't a choice. it's just not something I have any reason to ever consider or think about doing. That's a reflection of your subjective ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:48 AM
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Why the assumption that everyone will follow the values of their parents? Because broadly speaking, that is the case. If you adopt and raise kids of your own it has the same political benefit as having kids. Most people aren't opting out of having biological children, they're opting out of child-rearing period. Besides, there are always more natural-born children than adopted ones no matter how you slice it. At the heart of it, I just don't think education and nurture is a solution to the politi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:17 AM
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No, they don't. But if you are at all invested in the future of the society around you, someone is going to have to have the kids. The most sensible way to handle that is to have pro-social incentivizes for having kids. (Not punishing women who don't have them, instead making the decision to have children appealing to enough people that your population is stable or retracting in a manageable way) Likewise, people should have an understanding of what the personal and social costs are to not havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:45 PM
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specialized education is never a scam If you end up working as a barista with 5 figure debt, yes it is a scam. men especially seem to be susceptible to getting lured in by this anti-education glamorized vision of hyper individualism because of how it gets marketed as masculinity. Men are susceptible to being lured in by the promise of results. Male social viability is tied to their wealth, and to the degree that education is a factor it's as an extension of that wealth. A broke man with a master…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:40 PM
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We all benefit socially and economically when we all get to participate fully. That's the kicker, in a system which justifies its distribution of resources on the scarcity of participation and a discriminate means of compensating it, there is no full participation. We don't have full employment and there are not enough places for everyone with a degree to be paid and employed at the level and security that an education is traditionally assumed to provide. We live in a rat race. It demonstrably a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 05:24 PM
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I think people in my age range and younger are generally dispossessed of the things which older generations were able to ground their self-esteem and sense of self in. Many are living with their parents, most are missing what used to be considered normal milestones, so many are under socialized (and the cost to engage socially has risen financially, making this even worse). They're launching late if they're launching at all and all around there's more consequences in life than benefits. People t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 04:59 PM
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That's because most of the ideas around why things happen that get circulated are rationalizations, not reason. If there's an explanation for something that's easily repeated and spreads around like a virus, it's usually an oversimplification, if not just a convincing excuse. The thing about most socially liberal people is that they lead with ideals and they interpret reality in a way that either aligns with their ideals or at least in a way which salvages the moral superiority of their position…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 05:33 PM
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Solidarity must be based on shared intellectual understanding, not just shared oppression. You need to read Rosa Luxembourg's essay "Reform or Revolution". Because you're treading old ground. The foundation of socialist organization is to build exactly that. Solidarity is not a metaphysical phenomenon, it's a shared understanding which comes from working people who have been politically educated to understand their social condition in relationship to one another. It's not a spontaneous feeling t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 10:24 PM
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It's a code word not just for coward but vicious coward, I'd say. I said I wouldn't quibble, but you said the c-word. So now I'm talking. I think you might want to interrogate why the label of socialist doesn't appeal to you, but that's something to do in your own time. But if you want a theme for all that I'm about to write: if you want anything you do and want as a normal person to last, you are going to encounter the same road blocks and dead ends that socialists have historically. Whether yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:56 PM
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Just a commie joke. I think that most of your analysis is accurate, and everything I don't agree with is defensible. I don't really have much to say, especially given how downright reactionary this sub gets, I'm not going to quibble.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:19 PM
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Revisionism
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 09:12 PM
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It takes time to grow and it takes dedication to maintain. I think his point is that women have no dedication to anything which does not feed her ego or materially benefit her position in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 12:21 PM
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A social script is a broad set of expected behaviors and attitudes that people have for themselves and others. It's not a literal script. Mothers feeding their kids and keeping them safe is social script, it is the broad expectations placed on a parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 12:15 PM
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yet women are beating you guys in higher education and home ownership, and quickly approaching in salary income. It sounds like cope. You don't need to be a morally developed human being to thrive in capitalism. It's quite literally to your detriment to have a conscience and values beyond what gets you the most individual comfort and wealth. A woman's ability to pull in more resources than she shares or gives out is not a mark of superiority. Certainly not on its own. Being supremely self-intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 12:10 PM
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Dating women as a woman is fundamentally different. Your appeal is different, their trust of you is different, there are fewer risks to worry about (no pregnancy). So long as you don't have an STI and seem broadly trustworthy, there's not a lot to hold against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:43 AM
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Maybe this guy is Palestinian and can therefore do whatever the hell he wants and left wing women who run HR will accept it. Jesus Christ this is racist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 11:40 AM
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It's not a kink, they just don't like women doing things they don't like. There's no kink to it, just schadenfreude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 04:10 AM
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"Local Teacher has sex with 9 year old boy" Is not calling them a pedophile. It's a deliberate use of less-harsh/less-incriminating language.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 11:03 PM
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Bears don't get pleasure from other creatures fear You...really don't know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 10:04 PM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:12 PM
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For many, the only way to meaningfully make life tolerable is to feel that bad times are temporary. And depending on what issues you're taking into a therapy session, that's beyond the scope of what they can do for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:59 PM
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No no I got you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 11:33 AM
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a violent criminal who loves you would probably stop at nothing to protect you. That can be sexy to some Entertaining nonsense like this is how women end up dead on the side of nature trails, Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 11:09 AM
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Not everyone wants to mash your turnips.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 10:23 AM
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This is sad if this has been your experience. It's been a mixed bag. Most women I've known haven't been out to make me feel like chopped liver and I've had good friends over the years. It's just been very obvious time and again that they have no clue what to do with me and it usually results in me being sidelined or left out. And they're usually not very reflective on this. In my experience, women will do anything to a man so long as it makes her feel comfortable and the guy lets her do it. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:51 AM
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I don't think that's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 09:40 AM
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I think you shouldn't expect loyalty or a deep bond because you gave someone dating advice once. With the way the guy is talking in the post, I don't think he means anything that heavy. Most times I see the word loyalty in the post it's interchangeable with reliable or dependable. This is what he brings up as examples of how men reciprocate: reaching out to hang out / paying for dinner/drinks after venting All I'm seeing is an expectation to take turns on initiating socializing, or at least bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:40 AM
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I don't think it's a hardwired difference. My take on it is that women are more dependent on social scripts than men (not that men don't follow them too, it's just that most scripts men have to follow when it comes to women include improvising and being flexible, after a certain point we're all flying blind anyway) and that the available scripts that the average woman has for men are incompatible for a mutually beneficial friendship specifically with a man who is socialized as such. They genuine…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:27 AM
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In what world did he imply anything like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:13 AM
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Why should the actions you've described result in loyalty? Because the recipient of these actions relies on the loyalty (read as reliability because that's appropriate to what OP is describing) of the source of the actions. Why shouldn't that be memoryless, as you put it, and affect your relationship only a little bit? I see this a lot on this sub, but being obtuse about common sense and basic decency is not a good approach to conversation. If you want to live in a world where no one owes anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 12:11 AM
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Hm, I'll keep my shirt on then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:51 PM
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What do you consider overly attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:37 PM
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No desire to evolve.... No desire to evolve, for a man's benefit. Women are willing to make a lot of changes, work very hard, learn whatever they have to for their own ends. It's romance that inspires the rigidity. I'm known to ramble so I'll just say this: most of the issues that men face from women comes down to them just not liking us enough to try. Whether that dislike is just a lack of attraction or is a deeper kind of antipathy, that's the magic bullet. If women liked men more, we wouldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 09:13 PM
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Gods bless them, they think men are attractive and don't think women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 12:14 PM
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Men would rather go to the Magic 8 Ball for validation of their feelings than women. Apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 07:52 PM
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Cowardice is unbecoming
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 09:01 PM
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Trying to make a Black man blush is a bold move
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:35 AM
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my heart
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:26 AM
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Just grand narratives about men that lump a lot of radically different types of men into the same category. Not being specific enough in who is blamed for things results in people who are uninvolved or even on your side feeling attacked, or actually being attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 07:59 PM
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u/GridReXX This is a good example of that thing I was talking about the other day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:34 PM
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Thank you kindly
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 12:59 AM
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I definitely wrote too much, but it's the only way I know how to make a coherent point. . But for Europe vs. U.S. I think it’s also a difference in regard for and attitudes toward one another that’s causing the women to distance I agree, but I don't think that it's unique to us or even that the Europeans are somehow immune. I think that in Europe, there's a stronger sense of in-group identity among the white Europeans for their co-nationals. French women may not fear French men in the ways that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 11:18 PM
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The perceived safety of men has an affect on women's willingness to engage with apps. And apparently UK men are nonthreatening enough that they have a better ratio than the US
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 09:52 PM
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even womens military pants have pockets 15 cm depth That's an occupational hazard at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 04:20 PM
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It's a mismatch in desire, in my humblest opinion. I don't think dating apps would be half as lopsided if the women genuinely wanted the same things but just had more options. It's the mix of both having way more than they could ever handle and barely wanting to date in the first place that creates the worst of the problems. Edit: An analogy that came to me. It's like having a restaurant, it's full of people who can't afford the food, but there's a few people with money. Only a few of the ones w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 03:22 AM
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Some people find a little bit of asymmetry to be endearing. I'll choose an interesting smile over a perfect one most days.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:28 AM
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It's not obvious that what she means by attractive is what people find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:22 AM
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I think you vastly ignore the fact that women who do porn are attractive women. Not all porn is professionally produced. Normal people record themselves and post it as well. People find attractive people attractive. Some people find normal people to be attractive. Why isn't this obvious? It's not obvious. And I think you might be making assumptions as someone that either doesn't really watch it, or only watches the flashy stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:13 AM
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This isn't much a debate, more of a vent. But I think this is another one of those topics where conflating different groups of women is the source of most of the contradictions. There are a women who are genuinely looking for a connection with someone that values them. There are women who are grasping for the most impressive men they can find and they will absolutely jump ship if they find a better match. And there are women who genuinely can't get a date, there is a basement for women's attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:07 AM
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The Beatles craze would have sent you into a sanitarium. I genuinely think that's a part of why men tend to dislike boybands and why things that teenage/young girls like tend to be more maligned. Unfiltered, consistent and mass scale female interest is kind of disturbing and probably upsetting on some gut level to a fair number of guys. Do you choose to jerk off to plain Jane's, or the hottest woman or cartoon you can find on the internet. I think you vastly overestimate how much gets it done fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 12:40 AM
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Having female friends will red pill you more than the actual red pill content itself. In the sense of making guys more cynical, I have to back this up. It seems like women tend to think of themselves as a moderating force on the men in their lives when it comes to gendered stuff. And that is not a given. It really depends on how they treat men, and most women do not treat men well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:01 PM
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You're welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 06:43 PM
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do not feel strongly enough to push back against him anymore. So the cycle continues. For his sake, I hope that his birthday is the last day you give up on your son.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:18 PM
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Depends on the place, depends on the time, like most things. There's not always a man breathing down a woman's neck to make them do unpleasant things. Women have agency. And yes, some women absolutely internalize cultural values which hurt other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:11 PM
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What's so ugly about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:08 PM
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Your comment got reposted and extra three times, btw. But I guess it helps drive the point home.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:08 PM
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Not trying to come at you, cause I appreciate you advocating for your child. But I really wish this was something people talked about before making the kids in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:04 PM
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place itself as equivalent to female genital mutilation? Because carving off pieces of children's genitalia is not a nuanced topic that needs to be handled with a light hand. It's wrong. And it's simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 05:02 PM
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Poor kid, and this story is entirely expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:59 PM
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I don’t think any women feel that way about FGM. Then you haven't looked very deeply into the subject. In many places it's the older women's responsibility to perform the circumcisions on the girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 04:58 PM
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Nietzsche never thought that all people should live in this way. Conventional people need conventional standards and expectations, or else they will have no foundation for social life. You can't ubermensch your way out of dealing with other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:50 AM
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Personally, none. I don't know any rich men personally. I'm going more off of the stories I've heard or read on different platforms. I imagine most of those problems are self-made, but that's not my life. If you gave me 100K, women would be the least of my problems. I'd be literally too rich to care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:36 AM
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The problem that comes in when you attach basic social viability to economic mobility is that more people will drop out of than drop in. If you have a society where a working poor man cannot find a partner, your society is going to blow up at some point. Social connections are the glue of society, putting a premium on those things is just going to make things fall apart faster. Yeah, on a personal level, it's probably best to date when you've got some money. But will that necessarily change thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:27 AM
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I think he's contrasting a strawman to an ideal, neither the older or younger women are completely like how he said, there's a chance of poison in both cups.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 11:37 PM
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I question it too, believe me. It's kind of a rock and a hard place situation. There are more reasons to leave them alone than talk to them, most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:42 AM
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I'm willing to grant that you're probably right, but I also don't think the women my age are patient enough for this. A week may as well be half a year for them. They'll just get bored and check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:27 AM
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The first date is for a fantastic kiss that leaves you wanting more. Is that so? I've never had a relationship that went anywhere that didn't start off with more than that. Edit: Now that I think about it, if a woman just wanted to kiss and nothing else, I'd be suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 11:21 PM
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I understand what you're saying and I agree. But, OP was talking about women saying their dates weren't "interested in long term". Which is a very different claim to make after multiple dates than just after one, or maybe even just words said before any dates take place. I'd like to know if they were jumping to conclusions early, or if they were dating men who had proven that they were uninterested in long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 11:04 PM
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I'd be interested to know what time frame these women were asking for commitment within.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 10:54 PM
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The moral arc of the universe is long, and apparently bends towards pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:47 PM
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I think I'll adopt this writing style. I use a lot of paragraph breaks to space things out, but this might work better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 12:54 AM
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She doesn't seem like a starfish. From the comments on here she's got too much personality for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 12:44 AM
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Women look for men who at the end of the day will dedicate more energy to them than anything else. What woman wants a man who prioritizes himself at all times? Who marries that person?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:49 PM
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I will co-sign this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:42 PM
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Most men have. We're trending away from that. Times are changing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:33 PM
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I can't disagree. I just think if it's something you want, you should keep trying. But if you don't think it's worth it, I can't change your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:27 PM
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When was the last time you even let someone try to get you off?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:16 PM
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No, it implies that taking the extra effort to cut men out of your life is not a common practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:29 PM
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Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:03 PM
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What reason is there to decenter men if you're not displeased with them? People will respect an honest but hostile position more than being obtuse about it like it has nothing to do with men and how you feel about them. Especially when it's an obvious motivator.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:58 PM
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She's doing a Motte and Bailey. It's easier to defend 4B when it's less about spite and more about self-defense
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:47 PM
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I think the discourse over 4B will be a more potent social force than people actually doing it. More people are willing to talk and stress over the idea than are actually willing to put it into practice. But yes, hypothetically speaking, should a 4B movement get off the ground it would have a negligible effect on men. I think there are good reasons for women to practice 4B: organization (obviously class and economics doesn't move Americans on an effective level, not in our present politics, so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:33 PM
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Nobody judges women for caution. What they're judged for is disparaging the people they're cautious of and then judging the people they disparage for being offended they they're being grouped in with rapists, sex pests, and murderers. It's not a good look and it breeds resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:36 PM
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I hope to date someone with compatible values. US politics are a mess, and only a fraction of the population even understands what's happening. So long as the woman I'm with has broadly similar commitments then there's not much more I can ask for, personally. Looking for a carbon copy of myself just seems unreasonable. Why go to the effort of finding a partner just to look for someone who repeats everything you already think back to you. I want compliment and contrast.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:29 PM
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Full-on 24/7 hater? None. I've distanced myself from the women I've known who shit talked men around the clock. The first girl I had been with was like that. With self-respect comes peace. I don't need it. Some of the women I know might say something a little close for comfort, but they don't go that far and it's usually about being harassed, so I don't hold it against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 07:46 AM
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I haven't seen anyone advocating to cater to conservatives. But yeah, I agree that liberal/progressive/left of center women should be building more common ground with men who are likeminded. Should be a no-brainer. I don't believe that will translate into electoral wins necessarily, but it will create more robust civil society and capacity for community resistance. Horizontal organization is the only real remedy to social rifts we have. Women need unions, rifles, wages and lots and lots of frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:31 AM
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That was more in response to the subject as a whole. The problems with self-reporting should be pretty obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 10:39 PM
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I've always been of the mind that more men get caught, not that there's actually that big of a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 08:53 PM
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Fine, I take it back. But still, your responses made a lot of assumptions about where I'm coming from on this. And accusing me of painting men as victims is just...not the case. And your assumptions about those men not being willing to date women like you isn't helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:31 PM
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Holding me accountable? It's not a secret that I post here. Digging through people's comments to make your point is weird. This isn't Twitter. Don’t accuse me of sounding like a red pill man when you repeat their talking points. I was going to ask what talking points I repeated, but I guess the "wants your resources" could be seen that way. So fair point. Not really my intention on that post, but there's some overlap, I guess. I try to be accurate when I give an answer. And women with children, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:27 PM
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That's what you do when you answer other people's questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:09 PM
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You sound like one of those Redpillers who can't go two sentences without talking about Chad spinning plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:01 PM
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I don't think you're realizing how much of what you're responding to is what you're imagining my position to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:55 PM
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Why are you venting?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:53 PM
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You can't get married if you don't even have partners to date, bud. Things are not trending toward improvement on cost of living, nor are women suddenly wanting men more. 66% single does not mean 66% are playing the field. It means a majority of those men have nothing going on romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:47 PM
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A supermajority of men under 30 are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 02:04 PM
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What's delusional about it? The Supreme Court has already empowered the president as being above the law, there are actual monarchs who have less power than the US President. He's their Caesar. There's no delusion in that. These people are dangerous and acting as if they're just silly is how people end up in ditches.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:07 PM
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They aren't helping, but they do show where some guys heads are at. The difference between unserious and serious in politics is just a matter of scale. One crazy guy is nobody's problem, an army of crazy guys is everyone's problems. And the misogyny that exists and is spreading can very easily metastasize into Handmaid's Tale esque politics. Take these kinds as a joke at your own risk. I don't think he's delusional, I think he's saying where his head is at. And if you're paying attention, things…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:05 PM
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What's progressive about genocide?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:59 PM
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Trump is not hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:58 PM
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66% single under 30 Nearly half haven't event approached a woman in the past year. And 30% have had no sex in the past year. This is to say nothing of the men who trend towards these extremes without them being fully applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:57 PM
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I'm not personally asking you to change. Nor have I said anything about other women to the effect of what you're saying. Do you tell people you cannot eat shellfish as the first thing when you meet them? Do you share all your biological requirements and health status also? If I'm at a restaurant, I say what I can't eat. If I'm going to be close to someone, setting expectations of what the closeness entails is common sense. frame myslef entirely in terms of my sexual availability There's nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:16 PM
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Men hate 5s who think they’re 10s too, remember? I'm not going to co-sign you putting yourself down. I don't control how you and the other guy ended up on this tangent. What I am saying, is that in male female friendships as I understand them to actually work in real life, women have the most boundaries and take most of the cards in open communication out of the guys' hands. The proposal here is for women to not have male friends unless she’s willing to fuck him right not on the table. The propo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:43 PM
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I was taught to be kind and friendly, yet you are telling me these are bad traits in a woman and that you would prefer if women were arrogant, stuck-up, immodest bitches? I'm not saying that being kind and friendly are bad traits, I'm just saying that I get why the guys are saying just say the harsh things up front. For most guys, unless they already have a partner or are genuinely not looking, rejection is an element of any relationship with a woman that doesn't want to date them. It's either e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:39 PM
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You're for no-fap then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:55 PM
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This is why these pseudo-historical narratives need to be challenged, because they end up with people thinking that women lived in chains and ate out of pig troughs. You have no clue how fucking depraved and debased slavery was in this country if you think that it holds a candle to just being a second class citizen. Women had rights, not rights to vote, but rights to life. If they weren't in abject poverty they also had a right to dignity. No one stripped women naked and sold them in front of cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:28 PM
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It's extra absurd because they're not even a woman, they're a white knight. It's ridiculous and stolen valor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:23 PM
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Because Trump is a rapist, multiple times over.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:18 PM
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It makes sense for one simple reason. You are not safe to talk to. Whoever is more likely to blow up the friendship over feelings being expressed is the one who has to make it their responsibility to keep the relationship the way they like it. Because if you turn basic attraction into a relationship ending condition, you've put your guy friend in an unspoken ultimatum if they ever develop feelings. If you dare to talk about this, and the feeling isn't mutual, I will never speak to you again. I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:10 PM
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I think in actual life, the guys have more to go on than just being used. There are hints of interest or at least reciprocal friendship that make it seem unfair, premature, or unreasonable to just cut them off completely. I've had a lot of women as friends. Many of them have been kind of bad and I don't talk to them anymore, some of them haven't and I still, but they've never been a complete 0:100 on the effort scale even at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:02 PM
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as far as I could tell I really don't understand why women think men are going to act on their feelings just because they have them. Your default is a no, an inflexible, not up for discussion, no second chance or appeal, no. Who's going to risk a friendship that they actually enjoy when they know the girl isn't even thinking about them? If you want to know what your guy friends think, I suggest you get some drinks and have a frank conversation with lots of assurance on your part that you won't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 07:54 PM
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I think most guys know this, they're just stuck with what they've got. Even when things get messy, I don't think it's a surprise to them. It's the women who act like the latter doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 07:46 PM
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The only way to know that there's a shot at a long term relationship is if you want him in the first place. Women are too avoidant most of the time to hold back on sexual interest because they're more likely to get bored with you than think it's a sign of commitment or respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 07:32 PM
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There were multiple ads where they basically shamed men for not voting and saying that they wouldn't get a date if they didn't support the campaign basically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUjqqZ7WLw
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 07:28 PM
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I remember crawling out of my cocoon, iPad in my newly formed hands. I didn't know what it was, but...somehow it just clicked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 11:34 PM
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Okay, that makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:16 PM
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I'm also appalled by the fact that the first reaction among the feminist left was to blame men It's the bicycle meme
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:13 PM
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You hooked up with someone off of here?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:10 PM
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Did you ever like it ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:14 PM
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Okay. I'll look at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 11:19 PM
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Well what do you think then? I'll read some sample pages from the book if I can find some, but it sounds like this book is centered on male prisoners. Most domestic violence isn't punished, most crimes in general aren't punished. Maybe I have the wrong impression, but this books sounds like a bad fit for the every day violence that doesn't escalate to prison time and funerals.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:51 PM
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They put forward the idea that men are violent because of "entitlement and historical value systems". People become violent when what they want is denied to them and they lack the means to emotionally regulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:37 PM
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Ah yes, an abuse expert, here to tell me the real reason why men and only men do things from their extensive non-biased knowledge of men. Wait, I'm sorry, "Males". That must be the technical term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:18 PM
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Living the dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:40 PM
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Sure, it probably will. Ideological changes will always cause friction in marriage. Do I think it will encourage more spousal murder? No. I agree with you that there is something deeply wrong with that man. But I disagree that friction that won't create more violence. Violence comes out of interpersonal conflict, the less common ground there is between men and women, of course there will be more violence. Society is not built on the foundation of millions of people who disagree about fundamental…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:37 PM
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I'm gonna go water my flowers and have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 07:48 PM
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You can want sex without being coercive or pushy, but I get what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 07:14 PM
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I would love to be in a position to focus on finding a partner and nothing else. That would be magical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:54 PM
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Otherwise, they wouldnt be complaining as much as they do What about wanting a good partner has anything to do with wanting multiple women. This is a non-sequitur. Sex is not a need. It's not your need. You have no authority over how others speak about their needs in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:45 PM
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And for those men, it becomes a matter of taking but not giving in return. Again with the fucking apex fallacies... Men who are not in a position to be partners at all are also not in a position to be bad partners. There is nothing about being attractive that makes someone a better person or a better partner, they just look good. And if you don't look good, no one's going to give you a shot in the first place. As I already said, then men who can actually offer that aren't here. Just because men …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:42 PM
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Men realize how easy it is for women to get dates and affection, but we wouldn’t want to change shoes with them. Speak. For. Yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:34 PM
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Generally speaking I’ve found progressive men to not have these sort of redpill views about sex or women or men. Have you met any exceptions?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:23 PM
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But if they mention a lot of dudes are struggling but aren't really trying and expect a woman to fall in their lap. It's amazing how you can think looking for someone who just repeats your opinions back to you is a virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:14 PM
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Sexual discipline?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:12 PM
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Most men have sex Maybe at your age
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:06 PM
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I'm so sorry you got treated like that. And I am not in the slightest bit surprised. The dismissal of inappropriate behavior is gaslighty. And worse still, it creates a normalcy bias in the demographics that either aren't effected or participate in it. The idea that if a man says or does something awful they need to be gotten rid of, whether it's prison or death or shunning, but if a woman does the same thing it must have been for a good reason or it wasn't that bad just creates worse people. Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 11:53 AM
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Size gives security more than gender does in terms of feeling safe, in my experience anyway. I'm 5'4, so I've never felt like a threat was nothing to worry about even if I don't necessarily act on the fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 02:18 AM
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I don't believe that the average persons going to see a post of KILL YOUR UNBORN SONS and internalize that. Why not? It's a perfectly digestible idea, very easy to moderate. "I don't want to have boys" or "Having boy children is a disappointment" When you take out the overt vitriol, that's what you have left. And I don't think that's an uncommon feeling for women to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 02:06 AM
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People don't have to blurt out everything they think for it to inform how they move through life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:51 AM
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The ideas people pick up don't have to come from actual people for them to catch on. Nor do all the ideas have to stick for there to be damage done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:47 AM
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How big are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 01:42 AM
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I'm 28, I'm thin, I'm blond, I'm busty. I get this much, you think you're hot. which of us is more likely to be harassed or harmed? Harassed? You. Harmed? Me. If you went out to run after dark for an hour on the same city street across from me, which of us is likely to make it home without trouble? You. I'm a Black man. If I'm seen anywhere near anything, someone is going to call the cops. If you wanted to talk about going out for late night runs, you should have responded to the other comment I…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:58 AM
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I...have a hard time understanding most things you say. It's not retreat. I do not get you or any point you make.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:41 AM
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I'm not sure what to do with any of this information, but it sure paints a picture. I guess that's one way to kill the boredom. Without books, I'd suggest you read a fanfic or something, it'd be less brainrotting than being on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:35 AM
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And what exactly do you do on the internet? You're here aren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:22 AM
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I haven't known many women who were overly curious about men's experiences, no. Especially when those experiences might invalidate their grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 12:09 AM
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I can't safely go outside by myself after dark. The men in my life don't feel that same fear. And you know this how?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 11:56 PM
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but twitter is generally an utter cesspit of opinions. People have got to stop pretending like there's some massive division between the internet and real life. Social media is just an incubation chamber for real life culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 11:54 PM
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Put testosterone in the water supply of a local coffee shop and wait a week. /jk
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:57 PM
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Put Testosterone into the water supply of your local coffee shop. /jk
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:56 PM
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I don't like dealing in wish-fulfillment/wishlists because I find them to be depressing, but I think the only practical way forward is through collective empathy and humility. That basically means men and women engaging with one another with care and understanding. Not everyone is going to find a partner, but the process to finding them shouldn't be as abusive and careless as it is. Both men and women treat each other like trash and things won't get better until that's addressed in some meaningf…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:22 PM
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The idea that being nice and having a job means you can get a girlfriend is hilarious Not only is it hilarious, but it is routinely attacked as entitlement in almost every version of this conversation that gets had. On this sub or elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:12 PM
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Some people learn about the world through after-school specials or something. "Gang Member"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:14 AM
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Neither. I don't need the baggage of what comes with either of these two. It's not good for me and that's the first principle that you have to have. Or else you will be taken for a ride. A woman who cannot handle what she's done and a woman who cannot value what she has are not good partners. What's that thing the ladies say? They need to do the work?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 12:26 AM
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If you want more sensible discussion, you'll have to be the one to start it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 12:23 AM
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Don't engage with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 12:21 AM
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Of course there's malice, and they spew it out into the internet because most of them cannot handle real life, let alone actual violence. Real conflict, real consequences, that's out of the wheelhouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:10 AM
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I think this is another one of those situations where it pays to be specific about the kinds of women and men you're talking about. Most manosphere ideas around women are pretty accurate, when discussing women that are sociopaths and narcissists. And comparisons like yours make sense, if you are comparing well adjusted men to toxic women. I know toxic is a bit broad, but that's the best descriptor I can come up with for the many ways in which women can show a very twisted lack of regard for men …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:58 AM
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Sitting around in front a computer hating yourself and comparing skull sizes is not a dangerous hobby. Most of these people couldn't hold a gun, let alone shoot one. Their danger is exaggerated to justify a moral panic at their existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:44 AM
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I would kill for a sex positive cougar. I need to get pounced.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:48 AM
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Social dislocation. Most men's issues come back to being cut off from community. Romance is just one facet of that and it's probably the least significant at this point in time (I think it will get worse, but we're not there yet). On the whole, the average man is alone and the wider society will not be moved on his account. In general, men aren't trusted, men aren't wanted, men aren't needed and the social costs of the soft-shunning of millions of people just aren't addressed. It's good fodder f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:35 AM
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When the only solution to your problem is for the people you're complaining at to stop being part of the problem, it doesn't matter. That's all we've got.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:20 AM
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seems to be such an intense focus and I really don't understand why. That's a question for women, not for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 04:10 AM
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That context is helpful in how to take the post, nevermind me then. 5'8 isn't short is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 01:39 AM
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It's a social need, like having a community, having friends you trust, it's something that is necessary to thrive. For those who have a sex drive, of course. Is sex a need for men to be happy? Is sex a need for men to relax? Is sex a need for men to feel valid? Happy? Yes, not in the sense that you need it every day like a vitamin, but in the sense of being sexually viable allows you to feel wanted and secure in yourself. Wanting and not having will eat at your sense of self over time because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 01:15 AM
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You really tell on yourself when you say 5'8 and short in the same sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 11:32 PM
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unless they're willing to push for them. The first step to pushing for change is to call attention to the need for it. Which is complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:01 PM
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shut up you midget, you're 5'3, you should be thanking women for demeaning themselves enough to make eye contact with you Repeating that internal narrative is going to eat you up inside if you keep talking about yourself like this. You have to be kinder to yourself than other people are, or else you will go mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:58 PM
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After 4 years of genuine effort with no results, I gave up on online dating at the start of the year. I'm 5'3, so it's really just an exercise in negative reinforcement Very true. I swore off the apps at the beginning of the year and I didn't go back until halfway through the summer (cause I wasn't doing anything else anyway). And I still think that was the right call and I shouldn't have got back on there. It's a waste of time and all it does undermine your confidence and outlook on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:19 PM
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I am also short and considered generally handsome. It's weird being attractive enough to have around, but not enough to want. Good enough social skills for people to enjoy your company, but for whatever reason, visceral attraction is hard to come by. I haven't had any since like February, I've had less than a handful of dates this year (I haven't tried all that much, but still), I've had a few more matches than that throughout the year that didn't go anywhere (lots of ghosts). By the metrics of …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 07:05 PM
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Tell me if it ever works out for you, we'll compare notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 06:52 PM
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I'll second this. I don't like all the biological determinism talk on this sub. Most of the problems discussed here are almost entirely social.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:55 PM
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Just a hunch. But considering the massive differences in dating culture between just the US and Europe, it's probably more about culture and overall physical/mental health. We eat poison, work ourselves to death, watch brainrot, hate to read, and are somehow surprised when our dating lives are an antisocial mess. Civilized people don't live like this, man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 07:46 PM
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There's very little room socially for men to do anything but assess women as potential partners, if said man does not have potential or actual partners. That doesn't mean that men only do that, they don't, I don't. But that is what we are incentivized to do by our social position. If a man doesn't have a partner, he has to work to find one, otherwise he will not get one. If a man makes the choice to not pursue the women around him, that is him accepting a trade-off in life. Almost every man, eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:25 AM
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Anti-white 1619? Is this some dog whistle I don't know about ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 03:42 PM
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TLDR: Single mothers embody most male anxieties around dating women in general. They're people who can't ethically fully commit to you, have high needs, want your resources, and many of them do not have the means or willingness to integrate into your life to make a full family unit if you're fine with the other parts. Single mothers short circuit most of the medium and long term goals a man might have in a long term relationship and you damn near have to find a perfect match for it to be worth i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 01:40 PM
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-are you saying my deepest biological desire is to be provided for? Yeah don’t put your spirit of laziness on me. I like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 01:26 PM
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would you find it fair or worth it if she fulfils purely emotional needs, while you fulfil financial needs? Putting aside that there are more needs than emotional and financial ones, that would depend entirely on how much I am able to actually fulfill that side of the bargain and what you're entailing in emotional needs. If my wife is someone that I can go to for advice, who has valuable insights and perspective that help me help us, and I could actually get the bills paid without her, I could l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:28 AM
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I don't know who I speak for, but I don't like the term providing or what comes with it. I like to contribute. I want to bring something worth a damn to my relationship, but I won't do that in an environment that isn't mutual. If the woman doesn't have similar expectations of herself, if she doesn't at least try then things won't work out. My ideal partner is someone that would give me zero doubt about investing in the relationship, investing in them, someone that brings the best out of me. In t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:13 AM
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I'll take it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 03:17 PM
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That's why I said " the general you". I'm not talking about you in particular because I don't know you, I don't know your life, and given that you have a boyfriend I can assume that you at least didn't string him along. I don’t want to owe anyone anything and I also don’t like being a burden on people. If more people had this mindset, this wouldn't happen. I'm not trying to change how you live, I'm imploring you to think about what we're saying to you on this thread before you jump to the "you j…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 03:04 PM
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Make his pockets hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:38 PM
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You can genuinely like a woman and want to have sex with them. I'm assuming that's how your boyfriend feels about you. This urge to reduce everything down to sex is the strangest reflex. How do you read all of that and your takeaway is "guys just want sex"? They don't want sex, they want relationships, they want desire, they want a shot. And if you're not capable of giving that, then you need to stop taking gifts you can't return. If the only people you want, you ask nothing from, and the only p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:25 PM
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"Oh you so handsome, where's your little girlfriend at?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 10:04 PM
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Women: Fate will not deliver happiness to you. Stop praying and start looking. You can deserve everything in this life or the next, but manifesting without working toward your goals is just going to break your heart. And I really don't want to see you hurt because you trusted the cards more than your lying eyes. If you're alone, you have to go where the people are. It's that simple. Men: Don't forget to cultivate a philosophy while you're hustling, a rich man with no soul is everybody's problem …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:16 PM
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Sorry for not getting what you’re saying. The being repulsed by food thing. I also honor my Scandinavian heritage by putting ketchup on my omelettes 😂 Ooooh, you just reminded me, hashbrowns go great with omelets and the ketchup just brings it all together. You know what, I'm done on reddit today, I'm gonna go eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:35 PM
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In the south mushrooms don’t belong in omelettes? I meant that more as a "I'm not going to tell you how to diet". Mushrooms can absolutely go in an omelet, but it's not usual. At least I don't think it is. I'm more of a chicken, spinach and a Mexican blend for the cheese. (which includes the cheddar, I just like a mix) Sometimes I'll throw on some mozzarella cause it burns nice. Most of the flavor in my eggs comes from the seasonings and spices, any hard ingredients I add are kind of an aftertho…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:27 PM
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food repulses me. Before you can love a person, you must first love your stomach. But I won't judge. I'll fight my southern instincts to backseat chef you on the omelettes and shrooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:14 PM
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sea salt dark chocolate covered almonds Ahh, I got you, the salt would even out the bitterness. Protein shakes are bc I HATE eating before like 2pm lol which is really bad for you so protein shakes mitigate that cause I can drink one right away in the am. Why do you hate it? Does it mess with your energy levels? Is it a work flow thing? You don't like breakfast food? Cause I can understand the first two, I'm the same way but my love of breakfast food balances things out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:08 PM
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But you don’t want a girl you’re dating to ASSUME lifelong commitment and then be shocked when you aren’t on the same page. You know what, fair. And depending on what the situation was with that woman with the trip, there should have been a conversation about expectations. No way to know if there was or if there wasn't, but you're right that it's necessary. Milk chocolate is so nasty. It's unhealthy. But that's why it's goood. And I say this as someone who doesn't have much of a sweet tooth. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 07:51 PM
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I mean it’s not even her husband. Not to psychoanalyze you or anybody else, but a rigid approach to titles usually goes hand in hand with those attitudes I mentioned. If you need a title to determine how you treat someone, then you undermine the entire point of the title. I can only speak for me. But the woman I marry will be the woman who treats me like her husband, not the woman I hope will change overnight with a ring and a ceremony. That's just me. And considering how many women aren't on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 07:20 PM
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I remember a thread on here once upon a time about a woman who had gone on a trip without her boyfriend and absolutely refused to pay for him or wait for him to save up the money to go on the trip. Thinking that you're above generosity or reasonable obligations to your partner is a good example. Also, the women I've known have tended to tie a lot of their self-worth to their degrees and education. They genuinely feel like it makes them different people and they're worth more because of a piece o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 06:51 PM
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it really comes across as though he doesn’t care about a woman’s accomplishments and experiences. Any guy that actually respects his partner cares about these things in the sense of valuing the efforts of their partner. What guys mean by "they don't care" is that women do not need to have an arbitrary measure of social success to be considered worth their time. In reality, most men do have some broad standards and expectations. But even so, from what I've seen in others and know about my own sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 06:45 PM
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The hell's a Janny. But in all seriousness, the only reason I replied to you is because I'm trying to meet you where you're at and hopefully change your idea of what you're missing out on. Men are not having female orgasms. Many of them are dull, the most consistent feeling I could probably ascribe to orgasming is relief and a clear head, and even that isn't all the time. It's not a profound experience, not all the time anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:21 AM
-4

I'm not questioning your right to say anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 12:37 AM
2

Anyone can use btc to buy stuff This is true. Doesn't mean just anyone does. But I'm taking notes, thank you for the information.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:52 PM
1

....Are you secretly loaded?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:48 PM
1

Bitcoin?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:43 PM
1

"You're assuming I know where to get good weed" But gas money isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:38 PM
1

Look, I'm free on the weekend, but you've got to buy the bud yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:20 PM
7

You need better men in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:14 PM
2

Any comparison of sexual satisfaction that ignores the comparison in access to sex isn't painting a full picture. Men, in sexually active relationships get more orgasms. That's not a club every man is in, that's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:08 PM
4

From themselves, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:00 PM
2

lmao are you serious? I'm not even going to engage with this. Have you ever been with a man that treated you well? That's my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:52 PM
7

That is... that is an odd direction to take the thread in without any kind of lead-up or preamble to this point you're making. No one, outside of a very narrow section of the internet, is going to intuitively know what you mean by that. But yes, this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:40 PM
1

Aww shit, here we go again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:39 PM
3

Oh shit, I am so sorry, I had a dyslexic moment. I read that as "Do you know how it feels to be a 10".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:38 PM
6

Orgasms and pleasure ain't the same thing, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:35 PM
9

Its more so that they, will often play nice to get along, even with women they dont like, so as not to be ostracized from the group. Oh absolutely. I think any given group of women does actually have a broad base of things they have common ground on, but so much of the public front of agreeableness is just them managing conflict by not instigating it. The conformity is a tension reducer, not a reflection of agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:34 PM
1

You could get a wife that wants kids. You have every means to be a "dad" if you wanted. I don't know your sexuality but, this is not something you are categorically excepted from.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:29 PM
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Humble much?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:28 PM
5

grown up without comments being made about my body, or about how hot I'd be once I hit puberty. It's expected that you think this only happens to girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:27 PM
3

u/IcyTrapezium is not the only bisexual accepting woman in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:25 PM
1

That's what keep on means, friend
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:48 PM
3

I only accept offers of fealty in accordance to the norms of 5th Century BC Persian Court.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:47 PM
9

Now that'd be a lovely woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:50 AM
1

To some
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:35 AM
-2

I want to clarify that I don't think that most men are crazy, but there are more crazy men than women. I think I know how the women on this sub feel when the guys try to tell them about female nature now. the men that are crazy tend to be crazy to a greater extent. But I'll cop to this, for whatever that's worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:57 AM
20

Well if we're so crazy, keep on keeping your distance then. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:43 AM
9

This is a special strain of obnoxiousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 11:43 PM
15

Forcing a doctor to provide an abortion is a compelled action. I bet you think driver's licenses are tyranny
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 11:24 PM
1

Que pasa mujerita
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:47 PM
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If ever want to know what the next 20 years in a capitalist country looks like, you just look at East Asia in the current day. Broadly speaking, the trends will follow. Where exactly do you think all this looksmaxxing and mewing stuff comes from, where do you think it's headed? It's not a phase, people's mental sucks these days and it is only going to get worse. We've got wars on Thursday, floods on Friday, if we make it past the figurative weekend as a society, we gonna be a little fucked up. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 08:44 PM
12

Just some critique, I'm not answering the question. Option 1 Cons: The pain, rage, and shame men feel for not meeting women's standards remains the same. It should be noticeable by this point that the emotional consequences of our dating culture aren't static. That's kind of why it's become a problem. More people are falling into rabbit holes than come out. After a certain point (and I think we're on the cusp or even just past it) that will have a direct affect on our broader culture whether ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:58 PM
1

Yeah I know, cause to you this is a joke. But to most women it's not. Nobody forces you to date a linebacker. Nobody told you to fuck men you're scared of. Do you know any 5'1 men? Yes, look for Mexican men. Do you know men that truly look like they could be taken down by a none trained 5'1 women. I see you're still caught up on this fighting thing... As a woman dating men, you are going to be with people who are probably stronger than you. If that bothers you, don't date. You know what bothers …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:35 PM
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The entitlement that one has to have to demand that society change around you so that you're never afraid of anyone or anything is not healthy. If you are uncomfortable with the position your sexuality puts you in, that's a personal problem. It's no one's job to cleanse your mind of every fear you might have about someone. How about instead of women being trained from birth to fight I was being tongue-in-cheek when I said I don't fuck anyone I can't fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:10 PM
0

You single?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:55 AM
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Men don't even be brave with men. Yeah, but you know what we do when we're intimidated by somebody? We stay away. I don't fuck anybody I can't fight. More women should adopt this standard. You be brave when ur 5'1 and 120lbs and the 6'3 250 linebacker is literally almost on top of you. I truly do not understand how some women like being crushed in bed. Like... what does being suffocated and pinned down do for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:55 AM
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Transwomen don't transition because they believe being a man is hard That's not a hard rule. I'm trying to find the video where I learned about this but there actually is a subset of men who transition to escape manhood. They usually start as incels. It's not common, but it is definitely a thing. They don't have dysphoria so much as they feel trapped by being men so, they seek to transition in order to attain female value because they think they'll be seen as worthless as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:44 AM
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No one seriously thinks this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:39 AM
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Sounds like women need to be braver and think outside the box.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:36 AM
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And this attitude right here deserves its consequences. If any man had an attitude this belligerent and selfish toward sex, he'd be told to stay away from women. People like you make life harder for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:36 AM
-1

Is that a challenge?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:34 AM
1

would have preferred my dick to be smaller. Were you dating a hobbit?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:16 AM
1

Not just of misogyny, but of also of not getting girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 12:21 AM
0

Be Cool was a remake?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 12:20 AM
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Mindy Kahling She fucked up Scooby Doo, she deserves the hate that comes with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:25 PM
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(meditation, introspection, good friends, therapy etc. Nothing about these things is an answer to lopsided relationships with women who aren't there for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:04 PM
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Instead of just giving and receiving pleasure and strengthening your bond with your partner, it's also (ab)used for validation, calming anxiety and low self-worth and the only outlet for emotions. When there is no cure, people soothe the pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:12 PM
0

I think you made my point in a much more concise way
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:10 PM
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Can and do are not synonyms.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:03 AM
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And just like that, my interest in the thread is gone. This woman is a dead end.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:40 PM
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I didn't mean gold diggers when I said that. More just...unenthusiastic relationships. "He's nice and all. He's sweet." Like, the kinds of women who end up in unsatisfying relationships with men they don't really desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:09 PM
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I just don’t get why guys seem so uninterested in the mental/emotional aspect of a connection If you ever have ever seen a thread on this website about what happens if men open up to their girlfriends or wives, you've seen what is a common outcome to trying to establish emotional connection with a partner. That's not the only way things go. But it's a risk guys run by reaching out and trying to be seen. As a general rule, I think most men learn at some point that it's easier to focus on the thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 10:01 PM
1

I counted earlier today, it was 6. For me anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:27 PM
1

Just wow. That’s sad Could you explain what you think I said, I want to know how you took it before I respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:26 PM
1

You need some weed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:22 PM
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It's not just conservative men refusing to go to therapy. And gynocentric is almost exclusively a Red Pill term. Most men's problems require practical solutions that therapy pulls resources from.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:15 PM
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Aww, well thanks. I appreciate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:09 PM
2

So no then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:08 PM
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I think the simplest way to put it is that we need more morals, but that understates the scale of the problem. We're too used to other people being cheap or worthless. The attitudes we have towards other people's humanity are downstream from our politics and economic structure so, we're incentivized for practical and ideological reasons to be quick to dehumanize others and prioritize ourselves. If you can see a homeless person and keep walking, if you can ignore a war happening, if you can know …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:51 PM
1

Happens as much as anything women deal with in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:31 PM
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It's got nothing to do with feminists, men just understand that women don't tend to get them or their needs so, they tend to steer clear of their suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:12 PM
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I don't want to be seen as a safe option either, do you think I'm out to harm women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:10 PM
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see it as some feminist conspiracy theory. It's not that deep. Most men just either don't have the means or are distrustful of most things women are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:02 PM
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Proving my point. That's how you work. Centering your own experience because you can't understand others' is exactly what I'm talking about. looking at a picture doesn't convey "attraction". Attraction doesn't mean connection, it means attraction. "I want to speak to and see this person."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:58 PM
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For blind swipers, yes. For men who swipe on more people than 1 out of 100, no. Women expecting and judging men for not being a mirror of themselves and how they experience desire are making a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:55 PM
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I think it's the nature of the economic system we live in. If dating platforms were non-profit, more optimized to actually give people tools to find a partner quickly and get off the platform, I don't think it would be nearly this bad. There's no way to take out the need to present yourself well, but the algorithms make it into a rat race for attention. could it change of users were put over profit incentives? Absolutely. But I think the culture around us would have to change as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:48 PM
5

Have you ever considered that maybe they just want to be wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:44 PM
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When I read some red pill guys stating "she needs to be young, attractive, fertile and willing to do the housework - having deep discussions and common interests is not important, that's what I have my guy friends for" I also feel repulsed. The difference between the two is that men like this aren't attractive and will not find what they want without manipulation. No reasonable person thinks it's healthy, no one thinks it's okay. On the other hand, with women it's seen as perfectly acceptable to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:44 PM
4

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:37 PM
1

Would you say the same of a woman who reads what older women go through in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:30 PM
2

Given what you've said, I think you'd feel it's more manageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:13 PM
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It felt terrible having to be so cut-throat. Being selective because of personal limitations isn't being cut-throat. It's just being honest about what you can do. I felt like I was essentially objectifying each and every one of them. You were. That's what apps are, they're ads for people. That's part of why I hate them so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:12 PM
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I think it's variable depending on how much the algorithm likes you and how new your account is, on Bumble and Tinder. On Hinge, I've never done a deliberate count, but it feels like you have about 7ish before you're out of likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:59 PM
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No, women's disposition makes them more picky and men adjust to women's scarcity by maximizing their ability to contact multiple women. In an environment where you're not guaranteed to even be perceived when you attempt to make contact, you lower your threshold for engagement or you give up, those are the only reactions that make sense in that environment. Being more selective doesn't help you get more dates on most apps. Only apps where you can technically reach out on your own does that make s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:57 PM
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Do you think men would be honest about their desperation to a woman? And more to that point, how many women are friends with genuinely average men? Just because they're not impressed by them doesn't mean they're actually in the middle in terms of attractiveness, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:48 PM
0

Men already have a limited number of swipes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:45 PM
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women are jaded because they know men aren't actually looking at profiles. This is an assumption they make because they can't fathom being attracted to that many people enough to talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:44 PM
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biology I don't know about all that. And I don't think most women these days are really pining after marriage. People that don't want things to work aren't going to try to make them work. I don't think there's much hypocrisy in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:22 AM
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I think this is a reflection of culture and also probably certain kinds of systemic disease (whether that's social or physical depends on how you look at it). I won't go into the whole spiel. I don't think we're living well as a society on a lot of levels and capitalism is at the heart of it. That said, in this environment, certain core desires are facilitated and instilled in men and women that push them toward certain roles, mindsets, strategies. Women are afforded more room for idealist aspir…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:07 AM
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Significant issues means not being able to date at all in this statement. Which, I've seen enough in real life to know that that's just not true. I'm not saying that it's as easy for them as women who are smaller, just... they will get attention from someone at some point. A lot of guys don't get that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:24 PM
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That's red pill shit. Everyone knows big girls can date in life without significant issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:15 PM
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Nah, I barely believe in bad kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 03:07 AM
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Lmao, you downvoted my questions. XD In my defense, I asked what kind of kids they were. Small would have been the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 03:04 AM
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I mean, common sense? I don't know. I've had to watch my little cousins before and they basically watch themselves. I just had to make sure they eat and don't kill each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:41 AM
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Kids are exhausting. I was babysitting my sisters kids and couldn’t even find 5 min to order them a pizza. After 8 hours I gave up and asked her to come pick them up early. What kind of kids are these? They're not supposed to take that much time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:35 AM
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The men who are uncomfortable with it are uncomfortable because they're used to a dynamic where there's a clear expectation of them and what they have to give in order to be seen as a good/desirable partner. That, and most women still expect it regardless of what kind of money they make. Even myself, I'm not really sure how to handle the issue. I've technically gone Dutch on a few dates, but it's a whole can of worms and even when it works out, it feels like shooting yourself in the foot. It nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:14 AM
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the only women who stay emotionally invested and remain attracted after the man opens up are the women who went through severe trauma of their own AND experienced the abandonment of close friends and intimate partners over their need for support. This has been my experience as well, and it really highlights how much of it comes down to a lack of empathy. You can say it's the ick or femineity seeking masculinity or any other shit, but really it's just hard-hearted people who don't respect other p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 10:30 PM
2

Did we forget when guys simped for a 7 foot vampire and her 3 goth daughters that kidnapped a man? Can we acknowledge RE Village is just a video game?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:32 PM
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Yas, go off
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:23 PM
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I think it goes beyond just being superficially charming, it's also about knowing when to let down the mask or when to know to never take it off at any point, it's about social stamina (how long can you be on for) it's about knowing your limits and your strengths, how to not make a fool of yourself and how to take back control of situation if you do. It's about knowing how to steer conversations into topics you can afford to speak your mind on or which are likely to branch off into mutual intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:53 PM
4

One of the big reasons I lost interest in dating. It's always strange to me when women judge men for not being more like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:51 AM
2

I've stayed with a cheater before. I will never do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:40 AM
2

I think it's a revenge fantasy more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:40 AM
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No, sounds fun, and the idea of such a thing happening makes me a little wistful, but no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:59 AM
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In mutually familiar settings like a university? Yeah. Just out in the normal world? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:55 AM
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Any in-depth conversation is only going to take place between people that are comfortable with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:26 AM
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I agree. I think the confusion OP has is because he's looking for a counterpart that doesn't exist. I think people are primed to think about things in pairs that complement or negate one another, but some things don't fall neatly into those terms. From what I've seen, the average woman thinks about a good relationship like someone with someone spare cash thinks about getting a winning lottery ticket. It's a very nice idea, they might even think about what it would be like from time to time when …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:49 AM
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That is only an attractive idea to a certain kind of woman who's willing to work toward a specific outcome that she wants for herself. I don't think the values that lead to that behavior are very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:32 AM
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They're still part of the teeming mass of men who they cannot meaningfully differentiate before talking to. All it does is put some better options in circulation for what is still a largely random process for them. They're gambling either way. Why work to just filter more trash. That's what they see most of what they get as. Why would they change themselves to add more work, to get more people in their DMs that they don't want. They're kind of in a double-bind where they have the incentive to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:26 AM
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How can someone even live without interacting with 50% of the population ? I don't understand It's easy when that half of the population doesn't want to talk to them. I talk to women. And whether it comes from a place of prejudice or disinterest, I've never met a woman that wanted to speak to a man she didn't already know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:20 AM
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I think many conventional and attractive women (that's who that kind of content is for) understand on an instinctive level that they don't have to change for men. They should, and it might help their lives, romantically or otherwise, but whatever is wrong with them is not a fundamental dealbreaker. In an environment where you have as many options as you are willing to engage with, there's no incentive to self improve. Improvement doesn't have as much of a tangible effect on your prospects as it …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:14 AM
0

That flair is doing a lot of work today.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 10:41 PM
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because a relationship shouldn't be about business, it should be about actually caring for one another. This is a philosophical claim. Material reality doesn't conform to philosophy. In reality, women sought out financially stable partners because love connections could leave you in a state of poverty. And their families sought them out for them as well. It's not that simple. Women and their needs (emotional, material, social, etc.) have always been the biggest driver of dating culture, such tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 10:16 PM
1

Let people like things. Even if he's probably a furry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 10:02 PM
2

If you are a man, and you have problems, then you are a problem and you need to help yourself. And if you can't help yourself, then we'll move past you. A man that cannot self-regulate will be abandoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 10:00 PM
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The rampant alcoholism and spousal abuse that occurred because of it is just a known historical fact. It's a big reason why the temperance movement lasted for so long and got so big, because it was addressing a fairly ubiquitous social ill that had real social costs on the women and children of the alcoholics they were dependent on for their livelihoods. It's one thing to call out hypocrisy in household obligations, it's another to pretend that history didn't happen. Even today, most violence wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:14 PM
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Before you ask-- my boyfriend is 100% okay with me having male friends and knows I will take him seriously if he ever feels insecurity, doubt or discomfort because of it. Farthest thing from my mind. Sounds like you've got good people then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 09:00 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 08:09 PM
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Just doing a misandry check.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:58 PM
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You think a cheater would be among the best? No, but I think you misunderstand what I mean. The women with the best traits for being with men tend to be taken, the women who know how to talk to men, be comfortable around them, know what they want, etc. If a cheater happens to hit all the other check marks, then I can see why the guy got caught up with her. I don't approve. But I could see why. But I don't know this particular woman. To the degree I've ever been caught up with a woman in a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:48 PM
1

What if the married man was married to a man
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:40 PM
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Why he would want to be with a cheater I never understood. The best women tend to be in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:39 PM
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I don't think there's much you can do to make up for it, but the quicker you can get some experience under your belt, the better off you'll be. I don't think this applies to women the same way as it does to guys. For women, not having a partner when they're a teenager is just a test of their social aptitude and maybe their libido. Neither of these are needed for them for them to find a relationship, though at least one of them is needed to find a good one I'd think. You can't say the same for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:36 PM
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She didn't start the group cause she couldn't get laid, she started it because she couldn't find fulfilling relationships. And that was the intention. She was a gay woman dating in the 90s, she had a limited dating pool. It's not the same thing as the word tends to be used for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:29 PM
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Most virgin woman I think I would agree for women who are decidedly virgins as a conscious choice, but for women who are just too anxious to take the lead in their sex lives, I don't think they're in line with that. If anything, women are repulsed by any man that have weaknesses too similar to their own. But that's just my impression, so I'll admit it's not worth all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:27 PM
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think you need things like bowling alleys, arcades, music scenes, comedy scenes, and so forth to receive a modern twist I don't know if you can see replies while you're suspended, but I think the real innovation on this kind of thing would be in how you get guys and women to have similar interests that they're willing to engage with the same ways. I don't know many guys that make a point of going to concerts and shows, but almost every woman I know that likes music has been to multiple. I'm a mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:19 PM
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most men get laid Perhaps if you're counting every man in existence at this current time, sure. But most dating discussions are concerned with the people who are unspoken for, the unmarried, the moderately young, and the stats don't bear this out last I checked. This point would not need to be made if it wasn't in contention and I'd argue that most men in the relevant demographics, below 30 at least, are not in a good place romantically whether they're getting laid or not. Like...nearly 30% of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:09 PM
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Player? No. I'm not saying that I wouldn't see where things went, but as a general rule, I don't like promiscuity. It makes everyone's lives messier, including my own. I certainly wouldn't be talking to multiple people at a time, I'll say that. I might go on a lot more dates, get to know more people, but I don't think it would change my outlook all that much. (I think it helps that I'm not exactly unattractive so my biggest issues in dating are more about life stage stuff not raw looks). How lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:41 PM
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Thus, I would say you need to repersonalize matchmaking on Dating apps. I think it would be funny if in the end that assigning a set of people to a match maker like an asset manager ended up being a thing. Mostly because it would be ironic that match-groups would become an actual term instead of just a company name. Heavily police the male urge to approach every single woman he sees. Heavily curtail the female urge to only interact with people they already know well. Heavily incentivize making i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:17 PM
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I think single's events that are explicitly singles events will always attract the most dysfunctional parts of the dating culture, no matter what that happens to be. If the biggest problem in the culture is that people are shy then events will be full of people who don't talk to each other. Etc. and so on. They reflect what's wrong more than they are an actual solution to it. I think the only way you'd have a good single's events would be if there were more physical barriers keeping men and wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:12 PM
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-2, +7 I'm 25, realistically this is probably the extent of what I would be comfortable with for a long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:37 PM
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A guy did this once to breast feed a monkey. I saw it on Animal Planet as a kid. He kept eating beans until the estrogen kicked in. True story.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 05:21 AM
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Thank you kindly
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:05 PM
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A lot of people on this sub obviously wake up in the morning hating. And honestly I have to stand in awe of the dedication.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:11 PM
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Explain. Cause men not feeling welcome in organizing spaces isn't new.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:06 PM
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You do realize male and female aren't slurs right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:05 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 03:01 PM
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The Paglias and Dworkins of the world are fringe. They used to be. Nowadays, they are far more mainstream than they were when their ideas were first circulated, and that's because most of the ground that a broad-based feminism could organize around has been covered. And I'm not saying that because I think feminism should be over or that women are completely equal, etc. We just live in a time where the man-haters have the floor, mostly because they're the ones who still show up, and the more nece…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:58 PM
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Feminism attracts female chauvinists of varying levels of intensity. If you can't acknowledge that much, then you're not paying attention. That doesn't mean feminism should be ignored and everything with the label should be attacked, but describing the cohort of people who make up the core of it is just being honest They're not progressive or inclusive people. And that's why so many of them end up as TERFs, it's the closest they can get to advocating a females only politics in a society that's h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:31 PM
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With all the casual racism on here, I have to check. Sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:34 AM
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...are you saying George Zimmerman was right??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 12:48 AM
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“incel uprising” or whatever they are labeling the threat of social uprising now. That idea is that "surplus men" are a socially volatile demographic, not that men will explicitly rise up because they're not getting laid. The lack of rootedness that comes with being single allows young single men to be at the forefront of militant uprisings because they're the demographic that makes up soldiers. Anyone talking about an incel uprising is saying sexlessness (as a general social force) will ignite …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 12:13 AM
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this post is just too intense and breathless OP should unironically write erotica. I think he's got a good voice for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 08:57 PM
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Always an interesting title with an unserious post under it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 08:11 PM
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I am not a Lillith Bot
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:22 PM
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women who obcess over serial killers are at least 50% of them. They are not comparable. Don't make me side with Lilith. This is a deranged statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:55 PM
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You're good, just making sure you know where I stand. I think people are more complicated than this. Edit: I don't think reactions to cheating take place in a rational way. Some people cling to what they don't want to lose, some people reject what they feel has rejected them. Some end relationships they're not in a position to leave and others hold onto them when they have every means to leave. Trying to systematize volatile emotional decisions is a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:33 PM
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Don't let it make you believe though that one woman finding you average means that every woman will find you average. Yeah, I think men allow the level of consensus women have around how they talk about certain traits/ideas to convince themselves that how women see those traits is the same. There's broad alignment on how things like height, dressing nice, etc. are discussed. But what that actually means in practice can vary wildly. Personally, I think it's weird, but what can I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:32 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:26 PM
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I wish you guys would make up your mind Don't come at me like that. This is not my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:19 PM
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This way of thinking comes from an abundance of options. When you don't have a ready supply of people up to your standards, making more people fit that mold is the only option left that doesn't give up on the overall goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:16 PM
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Going by the logic of the comment, this would be because divorce doesn't harm the stability of her life or lessen her access to her ex partner's resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:06 PM
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Who hurt you so much that you can't even empathize with men who've been hurt? It's like you can't separate maleness from your anxieties around men. Most men are not part-time patriarchs. The social dynamics that allow women to abuse their male partners don't just exist in the household, they exist in broader society. In the west we do not have a generalized patriarchal order. Most men are completely excommunicated from power and authority and there is simply no grounds to treat them and speak ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:25 PM
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That's a lucky username if I've ever seen one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:10 PM
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Ham? Are they born amidst salt and smoke as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:08 PM
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Ah yes, condoms, never tampered with or ineffective. Truly a marvel of 30th Century BC engineering.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:07 PM
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How would you feel if your partner slapped you and the cops turned you away because it didn't leave a bruise?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:01 PM
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I at least, have always liked older women. And I'd like to give a relationship with one a shot if the opportunity comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:57 PM
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Maybe I should have said "when possible and sensible", but I already feel like I write like an old vampire so I cut down the caveats.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:55 PM
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And those are the upstanding folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:02 AM
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I wouldn't feel comfortable with lying to someone to get into a relationship. An uncommon green flag
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:02 AM
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I could forgive that more than sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:51 AM
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Would you be saying the same exact thing if effective birth control didn't exist? Zero birth control exists whatsoever. Would you still behave the same way on the sexual and dating marketplace? I don't believe in a sexual marketplace. The idea is disgusting to my sensibilities. But would I say the same? Of course not. But the constraints of nature are best disrespected where it's at all possible. I can accept any argument for celibacy or abstinence on philosophical grounds or emotional grounds o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:47 AM
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It's not preposterous, just a large undertaking with a lot of emotional risk. I personally think it's unwise. There's a difference between being reckless and indiscriminate, and stifling intimacy at the foundation of what's meant to be a lifelong relationship. If you find a man that's willing to go potentially years without sex, don't be surprised if he doesn't want to touch you much once the rings come out. But if that's to you liking, do what you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:17 AM
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Jesus, woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:58 PM
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I honestly feel like most men are more evolved when it comes to this stuff. Women's stagnation on matters of gender equality is dependent on the myth of the backward, sex-crazed, and common, woman-hating male. So long as they can convince themselves that men are terrible and unworthy of moral consideration, the gloves are off and they're free to be as unreasonable as they please, demand anything, use men to whatever degree they can get away with. It's very anti-social.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:44 PM
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You don’t even need to be that rich, couple hundred thousand a year You've had money for too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 11:42 PM
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They just play a part in lessening regular women’s possibility of finding males that seek a deep emotional connection during sex and are respectful and loving in bed. Just on this one thing, I can remember my ex telling me that she wished I would be rougher in bed. She wanted to be held down more, I think she wanted to feel like she couldn't move or get away. And...yeah, I'm not into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:51 PM
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The original example was that women will cut off men who are judgmental and negative towards them. What is wrong with that and how is that not leaving room for men to be people? This is a general dynamic that goes beyond this one topic. I'm not talking about promiscuous women here, and I'm not quite sure why you think that I am. I'm speaking more about opening up about mild life struggles, hopes, dreams, etc. The fullness of a man's humanity is pretty stifled when dating the average single woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:11 PM
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Lying will always be easier. I think that this is true in a broad way, but I think that women could make it a bit easier for guys to be honest. Men's biggest incentive to change their presentation is women's low tolerance of anything but the most curated experience of a man. If men had more room to be people, less women would be getting manipulated or surprised. Because men could actually think representing themselves honestly wouldn't be shooting themselves in the foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:47 PM
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With all due respect, it seems like women accept this on a general level, but don't change much of how they interact with particular men. If they like what they hear, they're happy. And they'll keep on the pressure for the guys to stay under the radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:35 PM
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"Damn, foiled again"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:30 PM
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I think it is more common for men to avoid and be cautious of promiscuity in women than to outright hate. From what I've seen, it's more of a "touch at your own risk" principle. Women who have been with a lot of men signal in multiple ways that they are a poor investment of energy and time. They might get you sick, might fuck up your mental health, might get you beat up, might disrupt your life. It doesn't have to come from a place of hatred, just self-preservation. I think guys who hate promisc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:11 PM
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I think examples like that don't help women understand because they need to feel invested in someone for their rejection to matter. Without the investment they'll just go "So? Why would I care?" The only women who'll get it are women who have the first hand experience of being unwanted by someone they wanted themselves and are willing to connect that real experience to what men go through.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:50 PM
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So maybe men should care about women having careers and money? This assumes that men will get what they care about. Women have the selective power in modern dating. A man's preferences, at most, will affect a few individual women that he's managed to attract
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:45 PM
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If it's the best choice is for time to tell. But if you have fuck you money, dating whoever makes you happy is the most intelligent decision you can make.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:47 PM
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You don't, very few people do. Nothing wrong with that. But I'm not going to pretend like personal standards are a collective responsibility. If the people you meet aren't good enough for you, then either you need to look harder or accept the limitations you've placed on yourself. And I'm picky. But I don't pretend like being personally incompatible with me is a systemic issue. I think men and women have an obligation to treat one another well, but treating each other well doesn't ensure good re…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:19 PM
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If every man was dominating, strong and ambitious, society would collapse because it would be a constant war to climb the social ladder and to be in charge. Blood for the Blood God.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:06 PM
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A$AP Rocky is not that much different than Rihanna. Money-wise, there's a strong degree of difference, but culturally they're considered relative. She's a musician, he's a musician, they both perform at shows in front of thousands of people and have more money than they need. They're both past a conventional scale of wealth and standing. I don't know anything about Julia Roberts though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:03 PM
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Powerful women act like men. If that was the case, I'd be married by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:38 PM
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I think a lot of guys also wouldn't mind dating powerful women but those women do not show interest in less powerful men, often. I'm reminded of Lana Del Rey, cause that's what it looks like when a woman doesn't look for a financial equal when seeking out a partner. For whatever reason (and I personally blame culture, not genetics or cavemen) so many women put more restrictions on themselves the more financially secure they get. Which is the opposite of what wealth should do. When you have money…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:36 PM
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And to piggy back off of this, the exceptions to this do not stay single for long. Any woman in a position to be attractive and wants a relationship can find one. Quality isn't assured, but interest and attention definitely is across a broad strata of men. An attractive woman is her own biggest limitation in dating men. So, the only ones left over unless you're very lucky are the exact kinds of women who are single because no man they find is "good enough". I knew a woman who had a stay-at-home …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:20 PM
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What Durruti is your flair named after?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:04 PM
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list character traits such as success, wealth, confidence, competence, authority, power or status? Because there's no expectation that such a woman will share the benefits and abundance they've acquired. Not every woman is like that. I've personally seen plenty of generous women, they're not all stingy. But it's still considered very much a woman's right to withdraw her support from any partner she so pleases with no obligations to them after the relationship. Like... if a man were to divorce a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:02 PM
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I'm sure the guys would be honest-ish.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:47 PM
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Non-engagement is a valid strategy in conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:46 PM
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Ah yes, it's like Covid never happened... I can feel the pain of loss withering away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:28 PM
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I say we embrace this madness, I want to feel young again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:22 PM
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A. It should be statutory to have sex with any person who has ADHD, before the age of 35 I'd forgotten what it's like to be jail bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:19 PM
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It's the INFP INTP personality quiz stuff I think
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:09 PM
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Lol, you're fine. And thank you. It doesn't help that people say 1984 for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:42 PM
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I also think they invented “pick me” and it’s good to identify this behavior as illogical/dangerous. There's nothing illogical about being likeable for the kind of people you want to partner with. I'm not going to go out of my way to make myself unlikeable to women, cause I want to be with one. I also was intuitively thinking about how bad it was for my dating life that I grew up conservative/religious and was taught to people please/self sacrifice when I found it and there whole thing is, don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:41 PM
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No, I just thought it was funny how his response lightly said "Oh you remember this thing? That didn't happen. I don't remember it." Which is literally what happens in 1984, little details of the past getting re-written by the authorities. I also just think it's funny to say when my flair is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:33 PM
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I read fds years ago and liked it What parts?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 10:29 PM
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I picked pink pill Isn't that the FDS option?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:59 PM
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but IRL mens seems to have a "normal" and happy life for most of them. I can't speak to French culture, but I don't know of any place where men openly share that they are "failures", in anything. I'm not doubting you, but I would be very interested to know what your male friends thought of these things, like how much they hide their worries what they feel unconfident about, those kinds of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:55 PM
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Did we ask that last time? I don't remember it, however, it sounds like a good idea Literally 1984
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:42 PM
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66% seems a lot ! https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ Could I ask what country? I can understand that it may sounds worse but people need to chill about sex. I very much agree. People hating each over this stuff isn't right and it doesn't lead to good places. When i was 18, people were having fun at night clubs, bar or at friends house. Alcohol helped but people were interacting with each others and having sex. It was a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 09:35 PM
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I agree with you on all that. The problem is, society broadly reinforces these ideas on one level or another. If you want to a culture where guys don't feel like this, deep changes have to occur. On the average, men have more sex partner than women. That statistic only reflects people that have sex. 66% of guys under 30 are single, nearly half haven't even approached a woman in the last year. Guys in general just aren't having sex enough to find solace in statistics like this. I understand what …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 08:55 PM
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She did not speak for anyone but herself. She has refuted no statistics, just offered herself as a living example of a woman who doesn't prioritize height.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:59 PM
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I'm only going to hit the first 3 cause I have a actual writing to get done. The nice guy syndrome is mainly observed in men who are either conservative or the ones who were raised in conservative environments. I don't necessarily agree that it is mainly observed in them. But I will say that I know exactly what you mean by this. I think there are different strains of this behavior but there is definitely a distinct flavor of it that comes out of the church and more socially conservative parts of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 05:58 PM
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You didn't know he existed 24 hours ago. You owe this person nothing. It's perfectly okay to have boundaries with people without convincing yourself that they are insignificant and inconsequential
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 05:03 PM
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You could just leave it at not giving strangers your number. You don't have to diminish other people just to set boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 04:44 PM
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Anything that is denied to you that you want and others get will have value ascribed to it. When the reasons that such things are denied to you are given as "you're not good enough" then it will be understood that your lack of this thing is a reflection of your value. Look around you, a lot of bad or ugly men have sex. That doesn't much matter. Sex will be important to people who feel it is important. You don't feel it's important. If you're looking for me to tell you something that's going to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:07 PM
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Yup. Men can only be as proactive as women allow them to be. The myth of male agency is built on the idea that the average man is broadly viable with women and that those women even want men. The average guy is near completely dislocated from women and has none of the social capital needed to bridge that gap, nor are the women in any rush to do it from their end. Being in women's place means most of the things you are critically judged on as a man are now optional. You don't have to be a down th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:35 AM
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My bad, the one that doesn't look like a Beastie Boy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:09 AM
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But again, are you assuming that this person can ONLY be attracting to artists that use a certain medium? If it helps the example make sense to you, yes. Assume that Person A is prejudiced against photographers who work for schools.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:04 AM
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The unspoken assumption that artistry is what they look for in a partner. A partner that demonstrates the bare minimum of artistry, basic photography, that is settling. What if the photographer is also an artist but doesn’t make money doing it? This is like asking what store little Suzie bought her dozen apples at after reading a math problem. You're expanding a purposefully limited example. With the information given, all that can be said is that Person A likes artists and Person B barely count…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:56 AM
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In my example, it wasn't that the partner wasn't their ideal, it was that they barely counted as what they liked at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:44 AM
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I take it as any reason for being with someone that compromises on what they find genuinely attractive. Someone that exclusively dated artists, but then they date a school photographer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:39 AM
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But you have your sanity and mental health intact. No, you don't. Being chronically single drives far too many men into despair for this to be the case. Some guys can hack it, but it's not a generalizable experience. And I'd even wager the guys who handle it aren't intact by the process, you'd just never notice compared to the guys who spiral out completely. What’s your choice and why? Between the two? I suppose I have to say "picked" cause it lines up most with what I'm actually doing in life a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:30 AM
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If you plan to live around people, what they think of you impacts your quality of life. No one is above reproach, insist otherwise at your own risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 11:58 PM
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Personally, I think enough women aren't like this to still feel safe dating women without presuming the worst, there are lots of things that I'd feel more justified in judging women over than this. But I'm not going to pretend like guys aren't right to investigate the question. Women's sexualities are very idiosyncratic from men's stand point and if they see something they don't understand, questions are going to pop up. Being able to trust that the people you are attracted to do not have your d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 10:36 PM
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People thought the skinny one was cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 10:01 PM
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lot of men become OofyDoofies What the fuck is this slang? XD
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:30 PM
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Enough that the conversation is happening. Not for nothing, anything narcissists feel the need to dismiss is probably worth looking into.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:27 PM
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You don't need a ltr to worry about who your kids are. Honestly, it just seems like a derivative of a fear of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:48 PM
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The obsession with paternity fraud should be analyzed. Why does this stick out to you as an unreasonable concern?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 07:03 PM
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they understand that “pussy” doesn’t just fall into your lap It does though. When women like you, they'll make it happen. The effort you put in is basically saying yes and taking off your clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:58 AM
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I don't think it's underestimation so much as they just don't care about the struggles of others when their needs are met.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:50 AM
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Is this where misogyny originates from? Misogyny like most forms of antagonism, stems from a contradiction between opposing forces. So long as there are people who want different things from one another, the frustration of their mutual goals and expectations will create resentments.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:43 AM
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Yeah, I'd say it's like 60% improv. I enjoy what I'm doing, but I could probably count on my hands how many times I've had sex and it was just full instinct. My brain doesn't shut off and I'm always a bit present. I consciously moan, cause I know they like that. I'm thinking about hand placement. It's nice to have, but it's kind of work in a lot of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 12:48 AM
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so if you had just picked someone like me instead you wouldn't be in this situation. I don't even go that far, just a little common sense would go a long way for me. I try not to hold it against them too much, because not every woman has very rigid standards, but I have read so many stories about women who married a man 10-15 years older than her and are surprised when it turns out he doesn't respect her. Of course he doesn't care what you think, he was an adult when you were in elementary schoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:26 PM
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Dear god, what have I done
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:12 PM
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You would be surprised how many spoiled girls they are now I'm not. thats why I have most of em in the fuckzone Stop watching Hoe Math, it'll get in your head. Aww shit, I spread the mind virus.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:10 PM
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women that play a misogyny flag next to you when you say that the past/bodycount matters as a woman, will be the first to say "they personally wouldnt feel comfortable/dump him". Whaaat??? But you told me the past doesnt matter? Its all hypocrisy I think what causes this blatant hypocrisy is that these kinds of women aren't seeking to maintain or demonstrate any kind of ideological, moral, or ethical consistency. Emotionally immature people are first and foremost concerned with their subjective …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:59 PM
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Physically? I think I'm handsome to some women. To some, I can only assume that I'm not or that they just like women better. Personality? I make good first impressions. I've got a good voice and I know how to make my words count when I chime in a conversation. I can usually bounce off of anyone that gives me something to work with. But bare in mind, the last time I had anything to work with was a year ago. The last time I got some play was at a Halloween party last year, and guess what month it …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:17 AM
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It's easy if you can accept being the pretty one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:44 AM
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You're systematizing a very random process. I've had girls be forward with me, it's nice, but it's completely unpredictable. You're not a loser just because women don't notice you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:42 AM
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Thank you for your kind words. If you think that the two can be picked apart and some good comes from it, then I'll defer to you and I hope anyone in your shoes can do the same. Personally, I'm a bit too all over the place to feel comfortable using myself as an example for how to process emotional pain. I've got days where I feel like I'm hopeless and I've got days where I feel like I'm single more because of choices I make and I could just go out more and fix it. So I can't tell anyone how to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 12:33 AM
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I think the reason why it's so easy to idealize is because it does genuinely help your quality of life, provided that that the love is also quality. It's a bit like thinking medicine that takes symptoms away is the same as a cure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:56 PM
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It's not other's people's responsibility to adjust to your prejudices. Claiming it's the lack of sex leads to lack of empathy from people who view you as a sex-crazed zombie. I've been reading over the thread and I was trying to make sense of why you were approaching the subject the way you were, I wanted to have a handle on that before I responded to you. But this takes the guess work out of it. I thought it might be this, but now I'm sure. Your hurdle for empathy is, "having sex (and by implic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:54 PM
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I like your understanding. I think it gets to something that the OP is missing. Why it matters to draw the distinction at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:40 PM
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Nature has no obligation to accommodate your philosophy, interpretation or morals. Nature doesn't care if you get your needs met, they still exist. At which point there would be no natural selection. This is a logical leap. Sex being a need implies nothing except that it is a vital part of your health as a human being. And given the amount of dysfunction that comes from a lack of it, this is pretty evident. That this conversation is happening should give you some hesitation in making that claim.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:39 PM
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I think it's some kind of social reflex honestly. I've got a pet theory for everything, but I'll just say that I think there's some bias involved in the way they're coming at the subject
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:30 PM
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When you look at all these words, please remember that you were the one that asked. I'm just trying to be thorough. I absolutely acknowledge that lack of sex can cause depression, but I think it's important to not blur the symptoms together. I think it's understandable why you would think this, but the distinction doesn't serve much of a meaningful function for the men that this is relevant to. It may serve you as an outside observer, for whom these concepts are not intimately intertwined, to dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 10:54 PM
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suffering from mental health issues a woman would only exasperate. That's kind of deal with most issues isn't it? “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” is a saying that comes to mind. After a certain point with people, the amount of resources and attention it takes to fix a problem far outweighs the amount it would have taken to just avoid the problem entirely. You get a guy whose biggest problem when they're 16 is that they're just a little too shy and get hung up on the wrong girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 10:15 PM
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No offense all I see is "you'll never get it!", with no coherent point. You're kind of proving the point. If you want a break down of what you're confused about, I'll give you my best shot. Just say the word. Everything he said makes complete sense to me. I think some of his assumptions are unfair to make without knowing more about you in particular, but as a general idea of why women tend to get things confused on this subject, I think he's pretty on the money. What's your point, what are you e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 10:07 PM
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If you're interested in a date there, you will need to wait for someone to show interest. Funny how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 08:19 PM
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You see, people are like a bag of rocks. Some are harder than others, some are smaller than others, but no matter their differences they're always jangling around, smashing into each other, getting hurt, losing bits of themselves to the chaos and never able to just simply leave the bag, to leave the other rocks so they can remain safe and whole because they're all in the bag and it won't stop knocking them all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:04 AM
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Tis the the season for Tism
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 10:54 AM
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You free Saturday?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 06:07 PM
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You still date men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:47 PM
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she has literally told me she probably wouldn't have paid a ton of mind to me if I was on an app because I would've been filtered out Did she think this was a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:45 PM
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Location matters in that you can get higher relative status easier in some areas than in others. Not just this, but your access to people of compatible values and culture are also a factor. That charismatic doctor might clean up in the suburbs but also might get eaten alive in the country. One woman's smooth and impressive is another woman's soft and boring. I think there are some universal things, I don't think a doctor is ever going to be nonviable so long as he's normal looking. But that does…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:41 AM
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Dump a fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:32 PM
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I'm aware and she's aware. That's why all she had to say was "okay".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 07:30 PM
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believing in the 80/20 rule, hypergamy, alphas vs. betas, etc. Explicitly using the terms 80/20 and hypergamy is more sectional, but the concepts are much more widespread and are spoken about everywhere. It's just phrased differently or it's spoken about from the perspective of women. Both men and women have to deal with the disparities that exist, it's just that women will speak about them in terms of "Men are trash, Men ain't shit". The understanding that most men are not good enough for women…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:44 PM
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It's about 50/50 on if someone means it. And ironic humoring of a concept is usually the first step in internalizing and believing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:38 PM
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Except the rich and powerful. They can afford it. For now
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:35 PM
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Repression is the state of being controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:33 PM
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This is an extremely niche and damaging ideology and its inclusion completely devalues the research. (Also, absolute lol at "convenience sample from social media". This guy cherrypicked fringe online weirdos, is what he means.) The internet is a real place populated by real people and in the present day the attitudes you find on the internet are very much downstream from real life culture. Pill ideology is relatively niche, but among the age group that's being spoken about in the post and on thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:17 PM
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There has some kind of irony in a woman saying that intense shame prevents you from having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:09 PM
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It's a plus for inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:03 PM
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Look dude, there's things you can do to verify what's said here. Go ask it in another space that you respect more, talk to young men in real life, lots you could do and probably won't do. If you want to argue with people about their experiences and use the space they express it in to excuse your refusal to not take them seriously then go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:43 PM
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I understand approaching women isn’t easy, Most women want absolutely nothing to do with any particular man. It's not that women aren't easy to approach, it's that we live in a society in which most men are categorically rejected by the people they would be approaching. Spending years repressing very powerful and ever-present emotions for other people's benefit would have a negative psychological effect on anyone. Women are an iron-wall of rejection for most young men. And in an environment wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:38 PM
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It's not deemed as socially appropriate for either men or women to sit around in a cafe talking loudly about their sexual fantasies and how horny they are. What kind of women are you talking to? Cause I've known some freaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:30 PM
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Are the things women consider to be pervasive just speculation? That isn't a gotcha question, I'm just asking you to take a step back. You don't get this many guys agreeing with each other about a core experience unless it's ubiquitous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:25 PM
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5, I've had to bite the bullet on just forcing myself to act against this feeling, but I lost all my High School and College time to this mindset and I still only approach a handful amount of women a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:23 PM
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Also the fact you equate to tall to attractive without taking into account face and body doesn’t make sense to me either. The height thing is damn near a paraphilia for some women, don't expect how she feels about it to map well onto your own understanding of what attraction is or how it works. Don't try to understand, just take her words as her personal thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:15 PM
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Still no guarantee they want a relationship. Then make your intentions clear and set boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:13 PM
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When 45% haven't approached a woman period, I don't think doubting assertions like this, at least initially, makes much sense. Just because you don't want to really think about the ramifications of something doesn't mean it's not real. It might not be an exact majority that are ashamed, but more than is socially tenable feel like this and it can only grow. There's not exactly a movement or trend for rehabilitating male sexuality. The only forces pushing against it are either reactionary grifters…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:03 PM
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He cares about tone and delivery over information. I have to sugar coat everything with honey darling BS to be heard. Then you're living in hell. Just speaking personally, I can't live like that for long not in a relationship, not with anybody. I've had arguments with my mother over the tone of voice I've used when I said "hello, how was your day, do you need help?" At some point you feel more like you're talking to a raw nerve instead of a person. The whole point of language is to communicate, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:24 AM
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Well yeah, I agree. Probably because most people aren't willing to be reciprocal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 11:05 AM
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You have a pretty dim view of relationships and reciprocity. What? I'm giving you my take on why I think other people feel the way they do. I haven't said anything about my view on relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:47 AM
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I think it makes a lot more sense when you realize most men don't actually expect a partner to make them happy, they just don't want them to make their lives markedly worse. Especially if the ways they make life worse are unexpected or inconsistent. Taking an honest bad deal is an easier sell than getting tricked into one even if it's overall better than the straightforward one. At least that's how I see the mindset. I think a lot of guys are at a point where getting their hopes up is almost wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:04 AM
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People hate hypocrisy more than hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:48 AM
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Libertarians...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:32 PM
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It feels like comfort. It feels like you have a second chance if you make a mistake. You have grace given to you. It feels freeing, like you can make a mistake and just forget about it the next moment because no one will hold it against you. It's like having extra lives in a video game. You have assurances that you're still in even if you mess up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:30 PM
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She's not ugly. She's plain, but she's not ugly. People on here are way too comfortable tearing apart people's appearances.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:51 PM
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Are you a latina?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:32 PM
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I genuinely can't imagine both feeling like you have to agree with everyone around you when you talk to them and also seeing nothing wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 10:31 PM
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And also I have been arguing with strangers on different platforms since I was a young teen Sadly, same. I've been told that it might be an ADHD thing, the stimulation from from the argument gives a dopamine hit or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 07:09 PM
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Not to make it weird, but I am definitely part of the demographic that loves a debate. Sadly, never found a woman that felt the same. After a certain point people start seeing you as hostile if you disagree with them or have too much to say, it's a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:27 PM
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How did you end up on this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:12 PM
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What do y’all think? Do you think people who cheat should already be mentally prepared for a relationship ending or is there something deeper? Depends on the person. Some cheaters are pre-gaming a breakup and cutting loose. Some are impulsive and emotionally damaged. I think the former don't care about or even hope for the relationship to end, in the most malicious way possible. I think the latter are oftentimes pretty emotionally stunted, and come at it in a very childish/egotistical way. "I di…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 10:15 PM
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I didn't have incestuous cheating on my insecurity bingo sheet before reading this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:56 PM
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Bring the Pain is from the 90s, it's damn near a 30 year old bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:37 AM
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This is the case for a lot of things, but sex and hypocrisy go together like two atoms
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:24 PM
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Nature provides, sister
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 09:14 PM
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There is nothing zero sum about exercising good will toward other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 12:30 PM
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How can I, an egalitarian woman, who is comfortable dating a man who makes less then me, make changes to accommodate others in this situation? You're already doing all that could ever be asked of you in your personal life if that's the case. You're being fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:42 AM
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At this point I wouldn't be surprised if power scaling somehow showed up here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 12:19 PM
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TLDR: Allow yourself to actually be open to conversation. Don't shut down or dismiss conversations you feel are unimportant or offensive just because they don't center your perspective or interests. But please, how should I approach this specific topic with more nuance? Being less dismissive of the negative social effects of necessary reforms and changes would be a start. I don't understand how so many women don't understand how much good will or a lack of it can make or break productive convers…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:59 AM
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Women can't seem to get over male gender roles the same way that progressive men have accepted women exploring different roles and having alternative expectations. I think it's because on a fundamental level, men's interest in women is separate from social context. We just like them more and don't need a lot of justification to have them in our lives. I think that's part of why spaces like this are so negative toward women, ironically. Guys have to actively talk themselves out of dealing with wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:32 AM
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That's called community
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:25 AM
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This entire attitude is how societies fall apart. When there is obvious problem that affects millions of people, but because it doesn't affect you, you abide by the dysfunction the problem causes. It doesn't matter how many heads roll unless it's your head. And that attitude is how things get worse, for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:24 AM
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Acting as if class doesn't matter in society is a real quick way to get a reality check.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:18 AM
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Where are nerdy women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 11:15 AM
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Lmao, I've never seen someone so hostile and wholesome at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 12:39 AM
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Just out of curiosity, have you ever cheated?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 12:31 AM
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I think this ultimately comes down to not partnering with people you don't feel you can trust long term. If you feel that you can't trust a man enough to marry him without having a contingency, maybe don't marry him. Same goes for a woman that might cheat on you, carry a child to term, and attempt to pass it off as your own. If you can't trust that your partner won't fuck you over that bad? Tricking you for little under a year and potentially a lifetime, bringing potential disease into your home…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 08:41 PM
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Why did you delete your own post?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 10:29 PM
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Smiling and posture
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 08:07 PM
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Yeah, and if anyone wants to see this in action, just look in a mirror and practice different facial expressions. Squint your eyes, open them wide, toothy grins, closed mouth smiles. If you look sheepish, it doesn't matter how symmetrical or whatever the hell your face is. It's all vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:52 PM
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Manipulative assholes are born, not made. This is genuinely a just world fallacy. People are subject to the social forces that affect them. And in romance, selective pressures from whatever demographic you seek relationships with is a social force. Women collectively make the men that they deal with. It's not a conscious thing, but it is so. Manipulative assholes are absolutely made. And they're made by a number of factors, many of which include the women that have incentivized their behavior. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:43 PM
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In general, guys who have issues hitting certain milestones would do better with women that don't find their lack of pre-existing success unattractive. If you get that from a 40 year old divorcee or a woman your own age, it's whatever works. So long as said guy isn't used or exploited, then it is what it is. I don't like age gaps, but if it makes people's lives better then I have no strong criticism. The ideal would be for guys to just learn things from girls in their peer group a vice versa. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:14 AM
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Hey baby, I'll have you know I am on multiple FBI watchlists
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 01:32 AM
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That would make this a much easier choice
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:49 AM
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It'd depend on the reasons for the twice a year sex. But I'm really leaning toward love these days. And I miss good sex, but honestly being with a woman that only sees me as cheap fun would fuck with my head. Sincere sexual incompatibility in an otherwise loving and committed relationship is hardly the worst thing you can find in dating. It'd just depend on the why of the twice a year sex. Neither situation is ideal, I just wouldn't need a gun to my head to pick #2.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:07 PM
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Please tell me you got medicated for endometriosis at some point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:03 PM
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Papua New Guinea
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:19 PM
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What exactly do you think unifies those three countries, cause I could not think of 3 places more different from one another
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:21 AM
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Lol, I live in the south, there are no safe spaces
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:55 PM
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We’ve had exchanges, you and I I'm aware, I was hoping that guy was a one-off. I promise each one is less terrible. And that’s… something. Oh I believe you, and I'm happy to hear it. I hope you get a good one though. Good love and good sex are healing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:21 PM
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...I gotta get laid. Like…. Ok I get it but it’s frustrating. I genuinely think so much of sexual incompatibility just comes back to these rhythm and sensitivity differences. Like, I don't know how many times I've read stories of women saying "don't stop, right there, keep doing that" and they're confused when the guy speeds up. Cause to a guy, those words mean "give me more of what's working, faster and harder". And I'm sure you know this. I'm just saying it seems like such an easy miscommunica…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:19 PM
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I had a ex who would bite my nipples and it hurt so much. He would always “forget.” What is your type?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:10 PM
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No wonder they organsm easily. The secret has always been taking control of your own pleasure, so yeah. But it should be more collaborative. I think the issue is that a lot of women get with men that don't respect their self-advocacy or aren't willing to adjust. I don't know what's up with that. I've never been the type that wasn't willing to take feedback and I don't know where women find these guys that just do whatever they want like it's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:05 PM
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No no. I know what you’re talking about and no. When I’m on top I’m grinding more. Oh, I got you. Yeah he's being difficult with you, sorry about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 12:00 PM
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Yeah, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:59 AM
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When I read I’ve had boyfriends grab my hips and try to change my pace. This sounds like what you do when you're afraid a woman is going to break your dick. Are you coming up high and letting it slip out when this happens or is it even when it's securely in? Cause I do this, but I'm just trying to avoid a fracture from the woman not paying attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:52 AM
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My advice to men: STOP trying to take back control of the rhythm. You mean that grinding/gyration thing y'all do in missionary? Or just in any position?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:50 AM
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ACEs?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:44 AM
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If certain behavior is normal to a woman, why wouldn’t she just assume that it’s just the price you pay to be in a relationship with a man. Self-preservation, I'd hope
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:43 AM
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Username checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:27 AM
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Yeah Civil Society is withering on the vine. Capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:51 PM
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Chad is a spook
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 03:50 PM
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There's an entire cultural expectation that being raped is part of justice for criminals. "Don't drop the soap." There is no general rape taboo in our culture. There are sensitivities to it happening to certain kinds of victims, but that doesn't even include all women. It's quite easy to sweep under the rug in a lot of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:51 PM
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Solidarity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:27 PM
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Any woman who thinks that men can't be raped by women or aren't. Any idea that supposes that women are only the victims of a particular crime by men but never that men are victims of a crime by women. A lot of women implicitly or explicitly hold the position that they can do no harm and that no other woman would.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:27 PM
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I would offer a change in your wish. For all men to accept that rape is not permissible or ignorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:24 PM
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I like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:22 PM
2

Here's my two cents on it. In the language of my people, here's a wall of text. This is true in a political environment in which these tendencies genuinely reflect a difference of position on material politics that we are capable of enacting. At this point in time, at least in the United States, all these different tendencies do is provide cleavage lines for splitting, infiltrations, and petty disagreements. Especially if we're not even organizing an actual political party. I understand criticis…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:20 PM
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I think the core of it is that a lot of them are just fundamentally opposed to a worldview which isn't about maximizing personal comfort and satisfaction. You've got to be willing to give a little to get a little. And that's a hard sell to people who think they've already given too much and gotten nothing for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:56 PM
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Implicitly? Legions
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:50 PM
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You think it would make things better?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:29 PM
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500 pound slime covered female witch from the black lagoon with a third titty straight from Satan. Is the witch from Satan or just the third titty?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:25 PM
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LeftComm You could definitely say that. lol not to mention I was ready to literally engage with you (in a civil way of course) What were you going to say, this place is pretty derail friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:23 PM
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This is true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:21 PM
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I think the conversations that need to be had here are more in terms of how we treat each other rather than just what gets you laid. But it's the same larger issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:27 PM
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That was more of a joke. I'm a fairly heterodox guy. I'd guess I'd describe myself as a kind of Council Communist. I believe in strong, ideological, and politically dynamic working class movements/institutions and well organized parties. But Worker's Democracy is the goal. I don't have a strong attachment to a particular tendency so long as the job gets done, opportunists aren't allowed to screw it up, and people are living better once it's done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:22 PM
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Factionalism is also disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:15 PM
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Taking the position that is best to accept something as it is without investigating or questioning it, is disgusting. It's choosing ignorance and I personally cannot agree with that. This sub has mostly lost the plot, but there's a kernel of necessary conversations here. It's more a reflection of the people here that those conversations get buried or abandoned for pissing matches. And I include myself in that to whatever degree is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:14 PM
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Shutting down a discussion is never the solution to a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:11 PM
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Obscurantism is disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:09 PM
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Let me be clear, I'm not singling you out here. I'm just saying, the conversations has degenerated past the point of good faith. That was my observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:01 PM
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And still receive the same amount of unwanted sexual attention from random strangers This is a quantitative claim about a qualitative experience. Amount is a real empirical thing that has to be measured. But I don't have a study and you're sharing Instagram reels, so let's put that to the side. I think, and I could be wrong, that it definitely has an effect. It's just that there's no way to get to zero if you're getting attention in the first place. Men's attraction to women isn't primarily pres…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:57 PM
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Take what up? How you sound? That was an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:12 PM
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Make a thread about it, the people need to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:47 PM
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I'm saying that you were indistinguishable from all the men throwing hate on the thread. You sound like the people you hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 06:46 PM
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(That was a joke) Can't believe it's real honestly. We can get rid of it if we try hard enough. Give it to Maryland.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 03:06 PM
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Hey, I don't know else to say this...but do you happen to live in Northern Virginia?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 02:55 PM
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making eyes and trying to get that dick Is this your go-to strategy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:14 PM
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Women don’t “reward” men with anything. Anything that is difficult to acquire and deliberately denied to most is a reward. If you don't like thinking of yourself as a prize or a trophy, I understand that and I agree that people shouldn't be seen that way. But it's disingenuous to act as if sex is just some benign byproduct that happens when it happens. The foundation of sexual relationships is desire. And what women desire doesn't always have anything to do with respect. Mutual respect is a bare…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:10 PM
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Estar y ser, mi amigo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:14 PM
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I am in awe of it, honestly. He's having the time of his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:08 PM
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I swear to god I can't breathe, this is hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:02 PM
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You know... a decent person would just DM the women like a normal harasser. I've never seen mass solicitation like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:57 PM
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...We can make posts like this???
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:54 PM
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True, the plight of the working class is no laughing matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 08:28 PM
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Any actions come to mind that would make you distrust a guy. Less obvious ones
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:23 PM
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Have you spoken to a man in any of these places?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:30 PM
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Public Decency laws. Our nipples are free.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:24 PM
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Assumptions that negative about women would not be taken as neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:11 PM
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For example, under your definition of “universally attractive traits” I'd go for more basic things like clean skin, healthy hair, emotional stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:06 AM
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Allow me to change a few details for my own privacy. I took a journalism class in like my sophomore year of college, and we all had to get a textbook for the class. I was waiting on my financial aid to come in so I could afford to buy the book, but that was going to take a few weeks. So in the mean time I just took good notes and tried to ask my classmates for help. There were some pages that we needed to read for a particular assignment and I asked one of the girls after class if she could send…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:48 AM
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Well, I don't, and that's all I'm asking for. And I'm perfectly willing to reciprocate or give that respect up front.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 04:01 AM
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The thing is a lot of these things men here want women to answer for are things I've literally never seen or heard women do That just means you're around decent people. And one could say the same about groping or stealthing. Things I've never seen, things I've never done, but still affect a great many women. I think the more reasonable men on the sub would just like to have the negative experiences acknowledged and understood so at least the few women reading the stories treat the men in their l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:27 AM
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getting your dick wet. Until I read this, I thought you were a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 09:24 PM
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He that praises himself doth protest too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:31 PM
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The boys got this treatment too, Secundus is a name that just means second (son). It's insane how patriarch-centered classical roman culture was.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:28 PM
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I understand that. What I'm responding in the OP is the focus on "superior genes", which is a Social Darwinist based around ideas that the traits past on from generation to generation are the best. Ideas, which if played out over the course of human existence would result in much more homogeneity of traits, better health outcomes, etc. I'm arguing against the idea that human mating is inherently Eugenicist. It's more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:53 AM
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That's how it begins, comrade
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:38 AM
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Can't do what you're told if it creates more problems than it fixes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:33 AM
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Lol, I've been devouring science content since I was a kid. At some point you learn enough from people smarter than you to understand a thing or two. In a different world, I probably would have been some kind of biologist. Oh jesus were have you been on this sub before? I'm here and there. And thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:28 AM
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What do you consider real evolutionary psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 11:26 AM
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Maybe I just know bad people. I’d love to see a rise in men in therapy and more studies into the more action based approaches that help men. Speaking personally, if it was cheaper, I'd do it. know how Mean and cruel other humans can be. But most humans aren’t like that. A little self serving, or thoughtless, Sure. But not many would go out of their way to call me a loser or fat or whatever. I wasn't saying that everyone or even most are like that, just that there's no getting away from it. I wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:28 AM
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Same to you, truly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:56 AM
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He told me he saw himself with a beautiful wife and I wasn’t beautiful. When we broke up he said “I cringe at the thought of your touch.” I’m a burn victim and I found out a year earlier he referred to me as “burn girl” to his colleagues . I'd give you a hug if I could. You're making me tear up. That's not something that you should ever hear from someone that you call a partner. I'm so sorry. Yup. It me. Don't make me laugh, this story is too fucked up for me to chuckle. He is a surgeon. I was w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:50 AM
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Cause I care about people living happy and joy filled lives? Not a common belief on this sub, my apologies. Someone who wants a partner but refuses to interact with women isn’t living his best life You're very right about this. But the limitations aren't just in his head. It's all well and good to go to therapy to learn techniques to deal with what he's been through. But he's going to have more experiences to add on top of it. Most women are not a wellspring of understanding and compassion. If y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:37 AM
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If that’s all she is to you too then that’s fine. Oh no. I've fallen and refallen for this woman multiple times. But I can make peace with things so long as what we do give each other is mutual. I liked being her friend when I actually felt like one. She means the world to me and that makes me feel very stupid because I know better. The feeling isn't mutual and I shouldn't have those feelings. She makes you feel more alone possibly? Because that’s the worst. Oh yeah. It's one of those dynamics w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:32 AM
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He absolutely didn’t really want me romantically, but he loved the emotional support and companionship I provided. That right there is at the heart of it. I think I make her feel less lonely. The feeling isn't mutual these days. When he got a new job he dumped me You got with him? he dumped me and was really angry I didn’t want to stay friends and help him move into his new place!!! He wanted me to help him pick out furniture!!! Told me it was selfish of me because we were best friends. People r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:21 AM
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Why are you so bothered by a man leaving women alone if it's outside his comfort zone? He got burned bad and didn't want to bother for awhile. That's not enabling anything, he's got a life to live. someone in high school I get the feeling that you think that it happened in High School is supposed to make him or anyone in his shoes feel better. And I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 11:54 PM
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Emotional closeness can exist without sex, but the dynamic would become sort of familial. Casual relationships with people who enjoy your company but don't feel all that strongly either way are different from people who are genuinely concerned with you and your wellbeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 11:26 PM
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Somehow getting my dick wet hasn't made me indifferent to double standards and inequalities across life. If anything, dealing with this stuff from the women you're closest to in life can make it worse. Sex doesn't change anything on either side of things. The woman you lie down with will not fundamentally treat you better just because you get her off.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 11:23 PM
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Company isn't companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 11:22 PM
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I think they're being facetious
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 11:18 PM
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Do you think that being hit or raped is on the same level as a girl in high school calling you a loser? I'm not sure why you're going straight to rape when women can and are verbally belittled as well. Having your hopes of good relationship/date/prom/etc. dashed in a cruel way by people who do not care at all about the harm they do to you, in any context is going to leave a lasting mark. Empathy is free, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:59 PM
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Arbeit Macht Frei On a fundamental cultural level, it's naturalized for those who are not successful to suffer. If you're good enough to be happy, then you're just too lazy to get what you want. If you're not good enough, then you need to get good, and also stop being lazy. It goes for romance, goes for economics, anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:31 PM
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Look, I don't know what her deal is on so many levels. And forgive me if I vent a little. Sometimes I feel like her confidant, best friend, sometimes I feel like a bad date and an acquaintance. I've been in my head about it for most of the year and it's legitimately driven me a little nuts. I'm at the point where I think that it's because I'm a guy and she's shifting gears and boundaries on the fly so she can stay comfortable. It feels like a platonic situationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 10:21 PM
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I'm constantly surprised people don't understand this. Over a century of eugenicist assumptions will do that. Even if open eugenics are out of fashion, the baggage it has attached to certain concepts have been in circulation since the late 1800s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:49 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:18 PM
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Are you surprised when women use one bad experience with the opposite sex as a reason not to engage with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:35 PM
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Evolution is not a process of optimization. It's a process of what works. And what we can observe in contemporary human beings is that sexual attraction manifests in a litany of ways, many of which are either complete evolutionary dead-ends, reproduce poor physical and mental outcomes, or are just generally haphazard and unpredictable (congenital diseases that don't present in the parents, etc.). Nature is a crapshoot. What survives is what works, not what works best, not what is objectively the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:04 PM
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Evopsych is a Social-Darwinist op.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:52 PM
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Based on what I’ve seen, heard, and read about, men are much more likely to be called creepy, and even creepy acts by women aren’t as likely to be called creepy. A girl-friend of mine, (I'm mildly changing details for anonymity) had a pair of girls leave a handwritten note in her door asking her to hang out with them because they had seen her around and liked how she looked, leaving their contact info and some pictures at her door. And she went to get breakfast with them the next day. A pair of …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:46 PM
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Jesus man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:42 AM
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I don’t get this, surely I cannot be that exceptional? I also see many women in comments being sympathetic to men who’ve been done wrong by women. I think any person that is capable of feeling strong emotions on behalf of a stranger is pretty exceptional at this point. We live in a society that rewards sociopathy and selfishness. Giving a fuck about others is actually pretty high bar nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:38 AM
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You're a strong guy to be this matter-of-fact about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:36 AM
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Overall, I'm constantly being played with and gathered so much negative experiences that I'm in a mental existential civil war with misogyny. You're not the only one trying to stay balanced. I feel for you man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:34 AM
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Why are you shocked by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 07:27 AM
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You're messy as hell lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:44 AM
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Men tend to know why they're unattractive most of the time. Those issues don't go away with a public event full of strangers, they're exaggerated. One-on-one, you can at least kind of curate your image to make yourself look better. But if you're under a microscope and in open competition, the only way to look good is to look good (wholistically not just appearance). And a guy who's generally impressive and a good catch either doesn't need a single's event or the women at the events are themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:41 AM
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Pics or didn't happen (I'm kidding)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:53 PM
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Country sayings are infectious.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:44 PM
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I had no idea that this was a thing that a bunch of other people believed too. Wow Oh yeah, it's taking off. It resonates with a lot of women, especially the ones in the closet. I had always assumed this was a weird thing that group had come up with from struggling with their bisexuality. A lot of young women are in their shoes, so it's not a surprise this stuff catches on or crops up again. Although now I wonder if some of these women are members here too... Safer bet than finding feathers on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:16 PM
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It felt like a sensible enough question (for this sub) at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:50 PM
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Date women who are sexually enthusiastic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:40 PM
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I like flowers in any context. They're nice, they're beautiful and they make your place look nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:26 PM
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Stay away from the PDF, it is cursed knowledge. You’re saying girls feel pressure to pressure guys into relationships Some girls. No telling how many, but you can't assume that's applicable to your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:25 PM
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Look man, I'm not selling. So forgive me if my opinion isn't the most educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:22 PM
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CompHet? What is that? Compulsory Heterosexuality. A scary amount of women feel that they have been socially pressured into engaging with men even though they have no attraction to them. Some are asexual, some are queer, but the unifying idea is women assuming that they're straight because it's the most socially acceptable thing. And that their lack of enthusiasm for men is normal for "straight" women. That's my summary anyway. Edit: Behold, the PDF
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:16 PM
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Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:12 PM
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Makes sense to me. close to Mom This is a can of worms though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:11 PM
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Dude, that'd actually be a bit scary. Look, CompHet is real. And I fear it. Maybe that would make a good post for both sexes. Well, you gonna make it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:10 PM
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No one actually changes into a worm, lol. Not literally, they don't. Metaphorically though...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:08 PM
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Yeah, there are things in friendship that are perfectly acceptable to people, but the moment you start dating an extra set of expectations come in. who loves going out and doing all the extroverted things in two weeks. Are we talking bars and movies or concerts and beaches?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:05 PM
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it describes how a person should live, and a lot of the actions it prescribes are connected to bigger traits that makes up an ideal person. And what traits would you be on the lookout with a man, for positive or negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:03 PM
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Hmmm, I'd say it depends on the dynamic of your relationship. Yeah, this. If you're in a relationship where you're asking the internet questions about how to think about what your partner did, then you're probably not in category 1. Example; during one such conversation, I agreed to grow my hair out past my shoulders and my bf agreed to shave at least every 3 days. By being honest with each other about small ways we could enhance our looks (me having long hair vs short, him being cleanshaven rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:56 AM
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Putting your insecurities first is a great way to create relationship problems. And I'm not saying that because I'm demonizing insecurity, it just doesn't go well. I am interested in type of guys she’s into cause why should I be in relationship and be settled for? Focus on how she treats you and whether it matches with your expectations and if you're satisfied. Don't look for her to spell everything out to you. Cause if she's willing to be disingenuous about a hypothetical/nonserious tinder prof…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:49 AM
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Don't put anyone in a position to act against their own interests if you're not trying to test their loyalty or integrity. She's your girlfriend, whether or not she's explicitly thinking in these terms, her incentive in this situation is for you to be available only to her and to make sure that you have a high opinion of her. The "girls like guys hugging animal statues" is a virtue signal. Like an actual one. It signals a virtue on her part, that she isn't shallow and is attracted to things that…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:35 AM
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No stranger than a worm hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:31 AM
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ONLY habitual drugs and nothing else? I mean yeah, I don't know anybody with a poppy field in their closet. But dudes can grow weed with some lights and a shoe box.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:30 AM
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I know. I meant more approaching in environments where enthusiasm isn't through the roof. If you can get the "I'll see where this goes, no promises" women to think about asking out a guy, then I'd call it a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:24 AM
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You spreading the gospel or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:21 AM
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Damn, and here I thought you talked to me because of my riches.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:16 AM
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I think it makes more sense for the women to interpret it however they will. I don't want to make a loaded question. But, I'd say trust to the degree they actually want them in their lives and in their space.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:11 AM
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True, but they're usually in the middle of it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:09 AM
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Not all drugs are that destructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:09 AM
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Has anyone ever made the cut for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:08 AM
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Lol, keep your secrets then Mrs. Maisel
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:05 AM
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What wisdom would that be?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:11 AM
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That all makes sense. But what do you consider "obsessed"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:09 AM
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What does respect mean to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:48 AM
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That's never a given. Guys are usually choosing between being actively de-valued, passively de-valued, nothing, or being transactionally valued. Being lusted after is the closest thing to (reasonably) unconditional love many are going to get from a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:33 AM
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Basically males assume this could be possible. Our sexuality and our general perception of people are already separated (they can affect each other, but they can also be compartmented) so, there's nothing odd about the idea. At least not where I'm standing. But, if that isn't how it works for my female partner, then I would have to think about it differently. Just because I'm wired that way doesn't mean she is. If it was really this all-consuming, no restraint or decency, thing from her then of …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:26 AM
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Fair enough, Al.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:21 AM
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You can shame successful men. If you told someone in the 90s that it was possible to make asking someone out in person even slightly controversial, they'd think you were high. Have imagination. And I think you could actually get women to approach more, but it'd take a very heavy handed and long term messaging campaign. Not the most plausible thing, but it can be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:11 AM
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What was her deal? Did she feel trapped? Didn't want kids? Felt pressured into the marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:07 AM
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Same, I'm not of the mindset of punishing someone for being attracted to me. It takes the guess work out of things and makes life easier for everyone involved. It is potentially a sign of certain things, but not all of those things are negative. The only thing I'd worry about are STI's and that's a personal risk you either take or don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:06 AM
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This is true. But if those women are considering their hook-ups in the same terms as their long term relationships, especially in terms of the kind of men they think they can get, then they're making a mistake. We'd all be making a mistake in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:54 AM
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Your "league" is what you can keep. Getting cheated on or dropped after a hookup by whatever your ideal is isn't a reflection of where you stand. It's the people you can date long term, who you live with, who meets your family, who takes you seriously as a life partner. That's where you stand. Whoever takes you seriously and wants you in their life as a full human being, that's your "league".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:33 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 05:07 PM
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People doing only what they're incentivized to do is how we got into this mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 12:08 PM
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Ehh, r/askgaybros might have some words about that from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:15 AM
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There's a cruel irony that the women and men who relate most are incompatible
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 06:55 AM
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Alabama, please rescue me
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 02:17 AM
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Bro, if you've got money like that and you're still surrounded by shitty people then you need to start clearing house. There's no excuse for a social life like that when you have all the means to cut them off and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:46 PM
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sometimes its because they're not into it. This is a very rare situation. If a guy is buck naked in front of you, he's usually into it enough to be hard. Provided the situation is consensual on his part.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:35 PM
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Part of being safe is having healthy expectations for yourself and others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:29 PM
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Good sex ed would teach girls not to take ED as a lack of attraction period.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:20 PM
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Common sense, sexual education
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 10:19 PM
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Espousing ideas that effectively all men are a danger to you is bigoted. Everytime I hear this idea that women need to give every guy around them the benefit of the doubt until they get raped I've said no such thing. Why do you take it so personal that strangers don't know your intentions dog? I don't take the fear personally. But I have no illusions about what generalized fear can do. I'm a Black man. Scared white women scare me. But I don't go around saying I'm more afraid of them than I am of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:13 PM
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It's pure subjectivity, it can't really be measured. It's more useful to speak about perceptions that about who is or isn't attractive. Whether it's true or not, if you're a guy trying to impress a woman, you're in a worse spot than a woman in a comparable position. And that's how it is. The only things that can really help you are enforced scarcity (only guy in the office situation) and even then, that just makes you noticeable, not necessarily more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:48 PM
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They are contradictory though. Women, in general, aren't going to have that gun or anything to protect themselves with. Then you need to go to talk to women about self defense, not policing my opinions, brother. Be cautious, but also assume that guys are not going to assault you while you sleep next to them or are alone with them and vulnerable. Like....really? You can be wary without being bigoted, this is not a complicated point. You can recognize that you have a necessity to be conscious of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:44 PM
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Women get told "you should've taken precautions", but also get told "stop generalizing" constantly These aren't contradictory, but I'd also never blame a woman for what happens to her. How you frame rhetoric is separate from what you have to do to be safe. I have a gun in my glove compartment, cause I know there are situations I might need it. But I don't demonize every "sort of person" that could possibly be the reason for me needing that gun. I just take the precaution, without the added preju…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:35 PM
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It's harsh, but women like that are probably not worth the time anyway. If you're that reactive to another person's body not working exactly the way you want, you're probably pretty immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:05 PM
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I am already wary of other men. I'm not objecting to the feeling, but the reality is that you're fine around most people. And if you're going to make a point of generalizing men in accordance to your fears, that's bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 04:00 PM
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Nah. If anything it sounds like it is all men that they're afraid of, the men they're not afraid of are the exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 03:01 PM
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I see it as something that could potentially kill me or ruin my life in other ways, and I think more men should view it this way too I agree. they don't think about because horny. But women also don't think about them when they're horny either. That's kind of the pinch in this whole mess. If women simply wanted a bit more, things would work out smoother. There'd be more mutual initiative. That's part of the idea around "women breaking their rules for guy x", you don't get this safety-first appro…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:29 AM
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There are spies everywhere, tovarisch.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:52 PM
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My version of this kind of nostalgia is like...10 years ago. And I think it's pretty fair to say that most of, women and men were happier 10 years ago. But I know that's not what you meant. Historical fallacies appeal to people, tale old as human memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:51 PM
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"What a drag it is getting old"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:48 PM
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I have a hard time finding a fellow 40 yo that's as happy as I am to help me with my IRL mentoring group. Everything has gotten structured and separate. Sounds like you're noticing a loss of community
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:41 PM
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You didn't and I didn't say you did. It's a qualifying answer not a dissent. It does be like that, when it's like that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:23 PM
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If these strategies are true then your conclusion is true. But there are women who do sidestep this dynamic. The biggest issue with dating the man you can keep is a mindset issue. If a woman is not of a mindset where she mistreats her committed partners, then all's good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:45 PM
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You kind of went off on a tangent about Bisexuals, but I think you have a point here. if such boundaries that apply to one gender only are needed at all in a friendship, you probably can't be friends Just speaking personally. As a guy who's been friends and "friends" (meaning the relationship wasn't good for me, not that I was plotting to sleep with them) with women more times than has been healthy for me, there's kind of a doublethink entailed in engaging with cross-sex friendships and the boun…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:36 PM
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I figured, I was more curious about how strict it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:38 PM
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I was just asking for curiosity's sake. I'm Black, even if I was actually Jewish, I don't think I'd get the same reception.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:37 PM
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Ahhh, that's why his profile worked. Those more targeted platforms work way better from what I hear. I think it helps cut down on a lot of the superficial vetting. Jdate Is it explicitly Jews only?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 08:19 PM
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What app was the profile for, was it a religious based one?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:58 PM
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What the hell does your cousin look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:29 PM
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while guys seems to really like pretending to be women. You sound like you have opinions about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:25 PM
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Success breeds ignorance. It's like asking someone with a good job and lots of money how they feel about bills. And yeah, the age might have a lot to do with it. Older people might be using the same platforms, but if they're engaging with peers, these are people comfortable and experienced with social scripts that younger people just aren't. If you're the kind of woman who has gone out for drinks with a man who walked up to you in person in years past, you're probably not going to assume a guy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:21 PM
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I'd rather not put my partner through childbirth if I can help it. If I'm with a woman who insists and I think we actually have the means to raise a child that will make it to adulthood in one piece, I'd consider it. But otherwise, I'm fine with love and companionship without making new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:20 AM
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What advice have you given?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 06:51 PM
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You can have a paternalist outlook on women without hating them. "No hitting, be charitable, be kind, treat them as if they were your own daughter. Be nurturing, give guidance, show them the right way to live." You can be very sexist by being patronizing without ever being hostile. You can be egalitarian without particularly liking women. Whether it's seen for this or not, a lot of modern misogynists (at least the non-non trad-wife-seeking types) tend to take for granted a lot of gains of the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:13 PM
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I'm not angry, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:52 AM
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It's always women's fault men do anything. In dating? I wouldn't say always, but why wouldn't you be part of it? Women's actions have consequences. There's no imaginary perfect man that never lies and simultaneously cares what you think. It's a tradeoff You want a man that wants to make you happy? Then you want a man that will lie if that's what you want from him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 08:47 AM
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It's turn-offs all the way down. You'll get a lot farther trying to get men to be honest for their peace of mind/sense of self than for them do so on women's behalf. They will never trust this position that you're putting forth because women largely do not reward honesty, forthrightness, etc. And we see it constantly, always. If you want an honest man, you have to show and be consistent about the fact that friction in your relationship isn't a dealbreaker. You have to get a special case made for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:51 AM
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I think this one of these things where if you have to think this hard about or these ideas are applicable to your relationship then you're in too deep and need to reassess what you really want. I've experienced in some of my relationships these dynamics and the one takeaway I have is that this bullshit just isn't worth it. If you have to hack someone's social psychology to have a satisfying relationship, they're an ulcer waiting to happen. You don't need the stress. Writing a guide to managing e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:20 PM
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I just mean normal ass guys who hook up or date a few women then meet a girlfriend. What's y'all's age range?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:20 PM
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You're not noticing the logical leap you're making in assuming that your thriving male friends are the normal ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:47 PM
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There are lots of everybody. We're in a country of 330+ Million people. If you make 1% that's millions of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:26 PM
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Oh... my bad then. I misread the situation. That's a different ballgame. I was taking this as a series of bad dates. Yeah, she had some other kind of issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:25 PM
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She had no opinions. I think some women are so passive that the only way they know how to reject a man is to be the social/conversational equivalent of a rag doll/wet noodle. Lots of "I don't knows" "mhms" "sure", filler words until you either give up trying to communicate or you do something that momentarily catches their interest. Everyone has opinions. It's whether they care/respect/acknowledge you enough to consider them worth sharing with you. A woman that doesn't value you, if they somehow…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:12 PM
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Women dating men they aren’t attracted to? It's weird seeing a dog whistle in its infancy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:22 PM
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What part of Would it really hurt to have more public spaces where consuming is not mandatory? Was not understood? Cause you're mentioning restaurants, clubs, bars, malls.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:17 PM
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The insistence that prejudice against men is valid in either context is a form of equivalence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:38 AM
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Would you also suggest that men and women walk on opposite sides of the road?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:35 AM
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Entitled bougie white women's prejudices against men are not equivalent to a country where a doctor can be raped and murdered in the hospital they work at, and have the legal counsel of a suspect say she deserved it. Get over yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:31 AM
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Proving his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:23 AM
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What woman surrounds herself with people that are constantly challenging her worldview? Why do you think the people you have closest to you would be anything more than a reflection of the kinds of people you find tolerable or pleasant? They're not necessarily "normal", what they are is "compatible" with you. Their lack of issues is not the evidence you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:53 AM
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If she's looking for superficial traits then I guess she finds exactly what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:44 PM
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I really don't think that's true. Or maybe I just don't want to think that's true. That's very very gross. The other posters already drew a distinction between relationships and singleness, so I'll leave that alone. Men with sex drives are driven to have sex. It's not something turns on when we're in love or turns off when we're not. And the fact of life is that most every woman has the tools to meet that desire. That doesn't mean that that is the motivation behind interacting with women though,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:19 PM
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Yes, homosexuals, asexuals, some on the spectrum and other marginal weirdos. Yeltsin did this to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:10 PM
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A dating profile is probably the least representative form of social media there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:47 AM
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At this point, what your opinion on dating apps is is basically a narcissism test. Your capacity to make assumptions of people you have neither the inclination or time to sort through and engage with is astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:36 AM
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Female mammals reject mates all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:29 AM
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Lol, only a few. They're a nice few though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:28 AM
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The idea behind "women should choose better" is that you have dozens and dozens of options that are available. Men don't have that, the cost/benefit isn't as cut-and-dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:56 AM
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You're a dangerous woman. XD
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:12 AM
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Thinking about this subject is going to make me make bad decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:09 AM
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God bless your tired thighs
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:29 AM
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However, acceptance does not mean the opposite sex has to find you attractive for it. Yeah, it does. Social (and by extension sexual) viability is the only metric by which you can measure the acceptability of something. I do not think most men accept women wearing pants. Ma'am, nobody is objecting to well fitting jeans. Wait...you mean "wearing the pants". Men are largely not okay with women who are masculine, and this is repeated over and over and over and over and over. I think the demonizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:26 AM
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just to denote that someone is the catcher, not the pitcher, when it comes to penetration. I've always taken it to be about position. Like, you'd be a top apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:11 AM
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Sounds like an SCP
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:46 PM
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Lol, the people's gold is good enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:25 PM
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In person connection and friendships are severely lacking too. And the social skills to maintain them are also lacking. It's not just that people aren't talking, it's that when they do they immediately start stepping on each other's toes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:10 PM
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Because you're mixing messages. Marxism isn't about blaming white men for their own problems. Now that is very common in misandrist circles, but that's not Marxism. Marxism is about building unity among the working class and to reshape society in accordance to their needs, concerns, and will.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 03:00 PM
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It's like religious people who have very rigid ideas about both women and gay people who are secretly cheating on their wives with a drag queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:47 PM
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"All heretofore history has been the struggle of the Gamers against the Wokescolds." Karl Marx, The Sarkesian Reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:52 AM
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Do you think you have a reactive sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:11 AM
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Drop nearly all subsidies for higher education. College was never supposed to be normative (it still isn't anywhere in the world). If you can't afford it, then you don't go. That's the stick. The effects of the Post-Soviet Collapse must be studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:08 AM
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Buy more stuff. Though ironically, men have more debt, go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:07 AM
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When people on here say all societies, what I hear is "Their own and everyone they think they're close to and only within the last 50 years (at most) or so". I don't expect anyone on here to have a strong understanding of what the world looked like in 1900 let alone Aztecs. So my bad, I thought you were making a more limited point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:55 AM
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I really think they're a plant sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:51 AM
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This is it right here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:45 AM
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Capitalism is global
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:43 AM
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Ah yeah, Communism is when White Man bad. (This is sarcasm)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:41 AM
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Will Smith is by most metrics imaginable a better man, a better partner, a more impressive individual than pretty much the entire male population (impressive is the metric that carries him) and Jada Pinkett still sidelines him for the ghost of a man who's been dead for 30 years. She's cheated on him with boys her son's age. She's humiliated that man in public for years and anyone who remotely pays attention can see that he's taken for granted. I don't think this whole concept is as scientific as…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:31 AM
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You're welcome man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:20 AM
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No offense taken either way. You're good
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 08:35 PM
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My sweet summer child. The law can be anything, in the right circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:34 PM
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I understand the possible interpretations. I'm being obtuse for a laugh. But if he did mean original post, he's still missing an article, it would be " what the OP said". But it's whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:31 PM
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Lol, you make them illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 07:28 PM
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Serious as sin
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:27 PM
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Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:18 PM
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So honestly I think a lot of men in this sub are not able to hear that. A lot of people here have also said that this sub seems to have more male/RP users than women, also. Oh yeah, at least the ones that are most active. I think there are lot more lurkers than regulars here and they sometimes come out of the wood work when the conversation goes a bit deeper than women/men suck. I completely agree with everything you said. The issue with modern dating isn’t about arguing which gender should have…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:17 PM
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You can be longwinded or provocative, but you do have to choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:05 PM
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No, I would like to respond. I just figured you didn't want to put your insecurities under a microscope. Like... there's a couple ways to go at it, they're just potentially invalidating or invasive. "Are you really average or just think you are?" "Is it a racial thing?" "What kind of men did you have the 'little success' with". There's ways to come at it. I just don't want you to think I don't believe you or put you on the spot like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 06:02 PM
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Mhm. I brought him up because he's the biggest (and most articulate) voice I've seen that's very consistent about the "women have too much to be happy" point. I wish there was more of an understanding that there are both real problems with modern dating, that aren't strictly because of men or misogyny, that have to be overcome without sacrificing the social and economic gains of women to make that happen. Backward facing politics are always strange to me because it's like trying to put together …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:46 PM
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Well thank you. Even if I might not totally agree with your entire comment I'm always open for critique
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:37 PM
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Hmm. Well I'm sorry that's been your experience. Getting nowhere isn't fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:29 PM
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“women should want me because I’d protect them. Women also say they want a man that makes them feel safe. Can't have it both ways, now. If women make this kind of protector role a prerequisite, it's not on men to dismantle that expectation, it's on women. The guys are just trying to be attractive. Not every woman wants that and not every man wants to be that. But it's not a conspiracy. Yes exactly! To men with that worldview, the only “logical” solution is to roll back women’s rights. Because ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:22 PM
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How can she be treated as a man when she was so obviously playing a game of pretend? Because many men, maybe most, are playing a game of pretend, that's how being a man works for them and for men that feel stuck in a box her experience resonates. She took her own life at age 53 in 2022. Claiming her stunt led to her suicide isn't just laughably dishonest, it's easily disproved. Just because something doesn't kill you today doesn't mean it's irrelevant if you die tomorrow. That experiment, among …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:07 PM
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Okay, I get what you mean now. And yeah, that is a large current in a lot of the manosphere. Any talking point which revolves around wealth redistribution to women, men building civilization, usually wrap back around to an idea that "the world is great for women and they still don't appreciate it".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 05:03 PM
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Joanne, is that you? She was still treated as a man, whether she passed well or no. And I know it wasn't just the living as a man experiment that did it, but it also didn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:55 PM
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That's misogyny, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:46 PM
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What in the TERF is this
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:45 PM
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Died from it too
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:17 PM
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I'm taking misandry in this context as just reasons women aren't churning out enough white babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 04:11 PM
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Most people come here for entertainment And not just that, but very meanspirited entertainment. I can understand not taking everything here deathly serious all the time, but some folks are just nasty
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:54 PM
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I said my bad, lol. I misrepresented myself. And that's my fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:40 PM
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It’s a sexist ouroboros. Oh I like that term. But with this explanation, I agree with your point. But I don't think that men's curiosity with Red pill. If anything what's going on currently is more of a symptom of dysfunction rather than how it generally works. That does make things worse. But when I say men are motivated to understand, I mean things that are more basic than theorizing models of behavior. Things like, "what do girls like, what do they want, etc." and that's timeless and benign. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:36 PM
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I meant in relationship to understanding, in my comment. Our problems come from a lack of empathy. But I'm not saying empathy is necessary for understanding. My bad for skimming over the word in OP's post. I genuinely looked for the word before writing that. I guess I missed his word.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:17 PM
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You're going to have to define bad men and explain what connection you're drawing here, if you want me to understand what you mean (lol). From where I'm standing, you're creating a dialectic where there isn't a relationship. Women are wary of men regardless of how much men understand them, vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:12 PM
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Notice that the word empathy hasn't been used. Men are always trying to understand women, and that knowledge can be used in a lot of ways. Some of which are negative, some positive, and some ways that aren't consequential to women in any direction. Empathizing with women can come from understanding, it can also be lost with understanding. Depends on the guy and what he's trying to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:09 PM
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If anything, understanding can make you more set on doing things the way you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:05 PM
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What does understanding have to do with stopping violence? Being understood by another person, even if very superficially, makes you more vulnerable to that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 03:04 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:56 PM
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It takes a special woman and a patient man to understand the other. I think it comes from how men and women are raised. We're not that sexually dimorphic. Spiders are highly sexually dimorphic, angler fish are highly sexually dimorphic. Human problems in understanding one another come from a lack of empathy and curiosity, a lack of humility. And when it comes to gender, the obstacle with a lot of people is incentives and emotional regulation. Men have more pressure to understand women than the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:52 PM
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I can understand your point when it comes to general social dynamics. Women with undesirable traits get attention because there are people desperate enough to give it, not because the traits don’t matter. But this is just contradictory. If it doesn't hurt you, then it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:13 PM
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Any woman who thinks anything spoken about on this sub is funny isn't worth speaking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:56 PM
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66% of men under the age of 30 are ugly and autitistic? What are you smoking?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:55 PM
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And if that is how you're thinking, then we need to have a different conversation. This is an invitation for you to expand on your thinking, not an accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:27 PM
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Seems like they just wait around for some kind of magic to happen. Because they spend too much time around women. This kind of thinking is common in every women's space that I've seen. I've got family who think exactly like this. And if you're a guy surrounded by women who think like this, it will make you distrust the agency you have over your sex life. Because the moment you do anything bold, it's like you're forcing something that isn't meant to be. Which is the opposite of how life works, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:21 PM
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socializing more won't help the guys in the first category Just to branch off of this, guys in this category tend to confuse personal compatibility with romantic potential. That's my experience anyway. Which is a fair thing to be confused about if you're the kind of person for whom that's true. If I like and get along well enough with someone to be friends, it's really just a question of whether I find them attractive. For most women I've come across, this thought process is like speaking anothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:08 PM
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but purposefully overlooking the negative myths. I think it's more that he feels the negative myths about women aren't myths and that the red pill confirms these "myths" as the truth. Debunking all of the myths and arriving at a more nuanced, balanced view of women (and men) that recognizes their general flawed human nature and ability to act both for good and ill, in virtuous and vicious ways, would probably be a good idea This is true and I agree. But that nuance does entail some portion of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:55 PM
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If everyone who follows and promotes the redpill is on the spectrum I doubt that. Some things line up enough to be convincing. You don't have to be autistic to be critical of dating. There's a lot to criticize.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:45 PM
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The first lie women tell themselves is that "whatever they want" is reasonable. It's all well and good to look for those things, but if you can't accept that those are rarer traits than you'd like then you're going to be taken back by how long it takes you to find these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:27 PM
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98% of men aren't trying to procreate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:24 PM
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first dates I’ve been on with guys you would all superficially consider gonna adequate (lawyer, teacher, dentist) You tried to be selective and it filtered for guys who think they can say and do whatever they want. These three guys are what gets you out of the house and not the vast majority of men that you either ignored or didn't feel anything for. Those men you didn't pick aren't the problem here. I'd feel like shit If I had those first dates, and I feel for you. But at the end of the day, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:23 PM
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This dream world where ya’ll think all women have tons of valid options just waiting at their door for them to say yes is not living in reality. So, what's your reality, Oli?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:13 PM
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As a straight guy with no real male friends, I’d personally hate to be with most men, if I were a straight woman. Yeah, I've never faulted women for being picky. It's what they're picky about that's always bothered me. The way a lot of them date, they'd genuinely have better outcomes if they had no standards instead of just going after the shiniest piece of meat. Being picky ought to be to one's benefit, but instead it seems like it just streamlines their dating habits to maximize the amount of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:04 PM
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What policies? If you're just asking any guy that passes by this question, getting rid of the apps is a start. It's obviously socially corrosive. Allowing Craigslist ads to become the template for modern courtship is and has always been a bad idea. There are ways to make better apps, there are improvements that can be made. But the disparity in userbase is enough of an argument for me that they're not worth keeping around. Most women don't bother with them or opt out of them quickly. Men on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:53 AM
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And persistence without wisdom is folly. I wouldn't waste time with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 11:34 AM
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Do you even check the usernames of the people you rant at?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 12:19 AM
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You're good, don't sweat it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:21 PM
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It be like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:08 PM
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...yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 11:05 PM
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The diseased mental health of men on the internet is pretty good argument that singleness is not kind to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:08 PM
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Y'all are so literal...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 10:01 PM
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How common is this? I think it's easier to understand if you take OP as being on the extreme side of a general trend in society. We obscure the potential difficulties of life to the young. We simplify things, and we let popular culture/media do the heavy lifting in communicating general ideals and rituals. Yeah, society should be your testing grounds for those notions to see which ones work out and which ones don't. But some folks are on the spectrum. And some people don't get much from society …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:56 PM
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I don't understand how other men managed to get to adulthood without knowing that It's more that they never learn a different way to interact with women once they realize things aren't like what they've been told. You can know things are BS all day, but that doesn't tell you what to do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 09:48 PM
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I may ask him about it today, this would be an interesting conversation. If you want to share any insights from the convo, my DMs are open. I'm interested to hear what he says. but I wonder if me being autistic and my boyfriend having ADHD/ADD is the underlying reason he treats me like he treats our male friends. This could definitely be a factor. In my experience, women on the spectrum (ADHD or Autism) they tend to have an easier time "going off script" if that makes sense. They're more flexibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:49 PM
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What are some of the main differences? Sensitivity levels are just very different. Not every woman is thin-skinned, but even the ones who aren't usually have multiple topics where you just don't touch at all because they're a point of insecurity. With guys it's much more of a gradient. It's bullying if you keep at a joke too long, or attack a particularly sore spot (dead parents, cheated on recently) not if you so much as mention that anything that makes them even think of being embarrassed. Lac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:32 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 03:55 AM
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I think it's attention thing for some. For others it's a genuine concern over household and life priorities. Your boyfriend playing a game for 2 hours after a work every other day/couple times a week is one thing. Your boyfriend using PTO to stay off work for two days so he can play a game that just dropped nonstop from start to finish while you're still living a normal life, is another.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:08 AM
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Oh also, I gave him a DIY lobotomy so he forgets about all his “exes” I was into it until the Utica Icepick
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:08 PM
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Old flames still burn
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:04 PM
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Exes or ex FWB is cucked I will never trust a girl that keeps her exes around again in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:19 PM
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I wonder if we would fight as much in person, on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:15 AM
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Women don't have to jump through many hurdles to justify their presence in a guy's life, at least initially. There's a low barrier to entry. Considering that there are entire social rituals dedicated to providing a space to explicitly get closer to a woman (not everyone dates or meets through dates, but that they are considered a thing at all is my point) I think there's some truth to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:45 PM
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a male best friend who they know longer than their husband/boyfriend. Achoo
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:39 PM
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Hey Pops, peep this. The girls also think these things from their perspective. To them, there is nothing normal or acceptable about men's sexuality outside the interactions they have with men that they're already attracted to. Everyone else has to be a eunuch unless they can find a girlfriend, and they don't want to hear about it then either. Why would you feel “dirty” for being heterosexual? The girls/women enforce a general taboo around open expression of anything that could be considered sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:20 PM
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You have to make it happen. Nothing and I repeat nothing just happens. This is not bitter old man advice, I'm 25. You have to make it all go, everything from the food in your fridge, the friends you make, the classes you take, every last aspect of your life will take effort while you're off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:10 PM
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I think many women take for granted that they can just treat men whatever way they want and there will always be more men to abuse coming down the pipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:05 PM
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I'd advise you to put yourself through a bit of an extroversion boot camp. Force yourself to talk to strangers more, even if it's just other guys, be willing to strike up conversation, talk to classmates, etc. Build that muscle to expand your social skills. It's easier to talk to women if you feel like you'd have more to talk about than just asking them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:04 PM
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Worse, men have never been more able to talk to each other about the matter, sharing their stories—the worst of which are more likely to be told and are more memorable. Oh yes, this, a thousand times this. There's just more consciousness, false or otherwise, around dating women that leaves many men feeling guarded and unwilling to engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:02 PM
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Worse, men have never been more able to talk to each other about the matter, sharing their stories—the worst of which are more likely to be told and are more memorable. Oh yes, this, a thousand times this. There's just more consciousness, false or otherwise, around dating women that leaves many men feeling guarded and unwilling to engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:01 PM
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What sorcery is this? There is a fae among us
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:00 PM
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Lol, maybe a reality check will be healthy for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:53 PM
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The internet is a crazy ass place
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 06:10 PM
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Well thank you for agreeing. Workers of the world unite! I love to hear the people sing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:34 PM
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I talked about dating two physicians pretty seriously whose families both openly had a problem with me being a nurse. My ex was a nurse, I sympathize with you. There's weird, intra-field prejudice there. For the life of me, I don't know why medicine attracts such petty people (maybe it's a covert narcissism thing). I actually have sworn to never date a surgeon in particular ever again. Never heard a nice thing about one. I don’t see anyone orgasming to the thought “he’s gonna be on call a lot an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:22 PM
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Right but if a woman is looking for an educated man it’s also not coming from a place of desire. Has a woman ever thought about a man’s law degree and gotten wet? ...never seen it happen over a law degree. But medicine? Mine eyes hath seen the wet spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:08 PM
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The thirst would be...forgive me for uttering the word... a spook.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:45 PM
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The only way to get a boy that likes girls to not seek female validation is for them to get so much of it early on they take it for granted. That or hormone treatments. The desire is baked in. How it manifests is socially determined, but you're not going to make girls like boys enough to push the needle without creating the opposite problems. If you want a society of interests and actualization, you have to take sex off the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:39 PM
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There's plenty of women like me, who decided X is what they truly wanted out of their life, and put in the work and sacrifices to obtain those goals as soon as possible And just to back up your point. So many issues that exist in modern dating are created through incentives, modes of communication, economic/political dynamics. The inconsistencies and dysfunction that exists in so many people are as much (I'd argue mostly) a product of their environment. There's a tendency on this sub to naturali…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:21 PM
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I'd gladly trade my intelligence for being smoking hot. Damn that's sad to read. As a woman with an advanced degree (master's in education, but I don't use it as I've left teaching) I find a lot of men find that intimidating. It's true though. I think the whole "men don't care about career" thing gets twisted up because a lot of people take the idea in different directions and lots of guys either don't think about it much or don't derive any sexual attraction from a woman's education and career …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:50 PM
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and again I think that I may have worded this poorly. Its about what men represent in a society Please, never take anything I say as an attack. And also of course, thank you for reading and responding at all. I tried to edit things down. I think that we shouldn't just assume this is happening. I think we assume boys and men will naturally gain control of their emotions but we only assume this because we didn't consider the benefits of the 'patriarchy'. Another loaded term, I know, but in a male …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:15 PM
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I understand we're writing a lot to each other, so I want you to understand I'm not writing anything in a hostile tone. Thank you for taking your time to read and respond. Can you point to as many concrete examples of blatant human rights violations occurring in all times and all across the world that affect men SPECIFICALLY because they're men? Nothing effects only one gender, except for maybe (and this is a question of philosophy on what it even means to be a particular gender) pregnancy. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:42 PM
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Watch your dirty mouth
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:03 PM
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See, I agree with what you say. But, the thing about women in the dating pool in the US, is that an unavoidable amount of them are actually like this. It doesn't reflect on every woman, but it's far from a minority and worse than that, it spreads. Women's mindsets with regard to dating are wrapped up in their cultural context, and we live in a cultural where ideas around "icks" and everything that comes with them are mainstreamed among young women. You can't get away from it, except if you get r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:59 PM
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Reality is not baring this idea out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:55 PM
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Okay Gaius. (You're right, I'm busting your balls over the flair)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:53 PM
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They're marginally better, but they're still women and they're still attracted to men for similar reasons that straight women are. They're just a bit more empathetic about what it takes to date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:52 PM
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We know this. It's women who don't or don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:51 PM
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I have been refusing to so much as look at men on general principle. How'd you make the leap?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:50 PM
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Nah, it's sad. Cause we actually have to deal with this nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:49 PM
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They kill the male babies when they're old enough to hold a rifle, not a rattle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 06:35 PM
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That's not really an irony, more of a proof of a necessity for change. I don't think red pill is the answer, but getting played and going to the drawing board to figure things out is just common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:18 PM
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Birth rates are going down globally. And people aren't starving because they have too many kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:18 PM
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You and I can say that about anything that doesn't effect us. But I never said that you or anyone should fix it. Just disagreed that they were blameless. People are going to do what they're going to do, but that has social consequences. That's my only point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:44 AM
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Sorry for the rant. No need to apologize. I think women have an instinctual ability to sense masculinity. I'd push back on the word masculinity cause it's loaded and means too many things. But I agree that women size men in accordance to what their emotional/social/physical needs are. Men who show signs that are negatively associated with what they are receptive to in men trigger disgust. And open insecurities are a pretty easy way to display that. women judge this more harshly because of their …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:02 AM
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Say more words, magic woman
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:08 AM
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If the sum total of individual actions produce an effect, then you have to judge the collective action by its results. Just because you individually have no ill intent doesn't mean you're not contributing to a problem that wouldn't exist if you, and others like you, simply made different individual choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:02 AM
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Well don't hold back on my account
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 11:58 PM
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Oh, sorry, I skimmed the post to get to the responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:41 PM
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Winter bloody Wonderland?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:38 PM
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What's fair about 50/50 when attraction doesn't match it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:27 PM
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I'm only disagreeing with what I quote, cause you're right on everything else. Nobody is forcing you to pursue/ Being more passive about dating Inaction is an act. There's an entire discourse around "weaponized incompetence" that speaks to that. Every conversation around imbalance of household chores and duties could be swept away if the "nobody is forcing you to do x" argument really carried water. Dynamics take place under certain terms. And if one person doesn't pull their weight, then the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:24 PM
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35:65 I think you can have a balanced society like this. Most women don't want men, most men want women, more people are happy this way. Any social consequences from this can be handled, but specifically for a dating focused question, it'd be best this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:05 PM
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It doesn't matter that they have less chance to find a faithful, loving man in that scenario? It's easier to find a man that won't cheat than it is for a man to find a woman that likes him at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:03 PM
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millions of people of one gender would die or be aborted before birth. I'm just imagining this as a chromosome switch or observed sex being changed. All else being the same, same amount of people, just different proportions of traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:01 PM
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It's more about how much one-on-one time those kids can get in a house that full. They're not going to get the attention they need. I'm not anti-large families. I just don't think your kids should have to fight a dozen other people to be nurtured.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 09:25 PM
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You want attraction to be an exact science where the person rejecting you has clear and defined objectives and reasons for rejection . No, I don't. I only wish others could give as much insight into their actions as I can give for mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:34 PM
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Ditto. Although damn, it sounds like your friend got hit by your words on a more personal level than expected Oh yeah, we were out for drinks and that was an emotional rollercoaster of a night. We spent 5 hours just stepping on each other's toes, talking past one another, and making each other miserable. Weird ass night. It's my fault for even trying to have a good time with her. She even offered to have sex with me at one point during it, if you can believe it. I think she was fundamentally con…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:01 PM
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The privilege comes from being able to not approach and still have a love life. In being able to reject in whatever way you want. Men in the vast majority of cases, don't share that privilege. We have to initiate in most situations and no one's going to pour a glass of liquor in your face if they don't like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:43 PM
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sigh, yeah It's a neutral/realistic thing. But back to this, I think most of the discussions here take place under an assumption that any woman who cannot have the utmost of their desires will be neither neutral or realistic about it. And the anxiety is around such a person taking out their frustration and dissatisfaction on them for not being perfect in their eyes. I wasn't thinking of settling as a downward/bad thing. I actually got into a fight with a former female friend about this. Because …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:21 PM
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don't reach for something that's too rare to realistically have. I've always thought settling for reality was called sanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:08 PM
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Not my point. It's degrading so long as women both retain the privilege not to approach and also to reject those approach them whatever way they want. There have to be standards, rules and mutuality. So long as approaching women has this level of baggage, then it will be a humiliation ritual for most men that do it. Cause most women don't like most men, and many of them are quite cruel about how they make that understood. When it doesn't work out, it's a kind of hazing. If practices change, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:06 PM
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As a fellow human being in this world we share, I have a right to criticize the dysfunctional behavior of any person that I please. She will do what she wants. And I will criticize it at my leisure. Cause that's just... that's just not right. Especially if those are biological kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:02 PM
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Considering how many women consider men to be easy for being interested in them, it's implicitly degrading, depending on the woman you're speaking to. Surrendering yourself to the judgment and likely mistreatment of another person because you're attracted to them, it puts you at a social disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:58 PM
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Sorry bud I cannot explain attraction to you. I never asked you to, no questions have been asked here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:56 PM
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He's saying the opposite of that. The part that makes the woman settling downward so bad in this line of thinking is the difference in treatment that their partner gets from them, not that there are other people more attractive in their eyes. Men do not expect women to only have eyes for them. Being with someone and giving them your best is not settling even if you think other people may be more attractive than them. What's "settling" is when you partner with someone out of convenience and phone…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:54 PM
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Turning yourself into a brood-mare is generally a bad thing, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:23 PM
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It's easier to just accept that then fight it. I'm not fighting anything. I have a hard time giving grace to any human being that cannot articulate their own experience. It's what language is for. If you can't tell me about what is going on within your own mind, your heart, then what the hell can you tell me about? That's how I think about this. And that makes it very hard to respect any position that boils down to consummate ignorance. "I don't know, you don't need to know, nothing is gained fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:21 PM
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I'm pro-decency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:06 PM
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My close friend has 13 kids, and I have 2. Someone else might have zero. All choices are valid. I...I must object
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:54 PM
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Sometimes we don't even know why we just are not I will always be disturbed by how many just openly state they don't know what's going on inside their own heads. You really should know. No woman is going to do that. Oh, I'm aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:48 PM
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I think the implication here is to tell them, if they ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 05:39 PM
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This always seemed like a White Guy thing, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 04:21 PM
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Truly, and honestly, I think guys should keep these stories to themselves. It doesn't help anything. I'm not saying to lie, but hold back a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:48 PM
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What he did was immature and messes it up for everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:11 PM
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I never really got much as a child beyond generic "stranger danger" warnings, and as a teen/young adult the safety tips were really more about avoiding false accusations than becoming a victim. The advice I got was more of the "Focus on school and don't get anyone pregnant" variety. I've gotten better advice as an adult, but it's usually after the point it would have been useful. Also, to what happened to you: Jesus Fucking Christ. We all know intuitively that a shove can be met with a shove, a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:40 AM
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I'm sorry you went through that. Truly. "They'll get better" types, who date a bad person in the hopes that enough investment will make them a good person. Just speaking toward this. The girl I lost my virginity to was in this category for myself. She put me down a lot, among other things, and I thought that after we had sex that she would soften a bit. I figured her abrasiveness was just anxiety and it would ease out after we got closer. And so I gave her a lot of patience, lots of second chanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:10 AM
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Cursing them out unprompted, ridiculing them both in private and in front of company (calling them names), deliberately excluding/preventing them from socializing in mixed company (talking over them, telling them to shut up, not extending an invitation to a gathering where both are welcome), deniable acts of violence (slapping that doesn't leave a mark, punching where clothes cover), denial of privacy (telling friends and family about their bodies, sexual habits, secrets). And depending on the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:54 PM
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It's eye opening A sub for chronically single women where men are banned from interacting with the sub at all seems especially self-defeating. But if that's what they're comfortable with, there's nothing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:44 PM
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Yeah, crazy thought, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:39 PM
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Do the little girls buy their toys or do their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 07:37 PM
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It's different, but if the threshold for either is high enough to be inaccessible, they'll both be overvalued.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 07:36 PM
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I think men tend to accept trade-offs more than women. If you're in a desert and there's only one oasis, that's all the water you have. And if every time you go to drink you get stung by a wasp, after a certain point you just accept the stings as a toll to meeting a physical need. I don't think it's healthy, but I can definitely see how a guy who happens to find himself in an abusive relationship will say "Well I'm already here now, may as well make peace with it." I definitely think women tend …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 06:15 PM
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It's the "hey ladies look at me and not those idiots" syndrome many guys develop It's a natural consequence of having enough self-consciousness to know your company makes you look bad but not enough to just not be around bad company.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:31 AM
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I think the idea implies that the only reason men would contradict other men would be as a mating strategy. Some men just don't identify with other men that much, some do identify more with women. Not that guys don't do things like this for selfish reasons, but that's one among many reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:28 AM
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dont judge me Minty Fart, there's not much else anyone can do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:22 AM
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The John Birch Society could give a better answer than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:21 AM
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This is a conversation with context you're not privy to. She said something contradictory to her point here on another thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:54 PM
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In comparison to the usual severity of this topic, no. I'd never say they were having an easy time or a good time. But there's guys who've been single for a decade with no dates. There is no floor on how bad it can get for even passably normal guys, so that shifts my definition of struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 07:09 PM
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it sounds like you're saying women's consent to sex is the obstacle to men having sex. Literally how sex works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:27 PM
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On a grand scale yes. But that doesn't matter to the girls getting the ick when a guy can't do [insert stereotype x here]. The micro makes the macro.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 05:17 PM
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Things can change when women take the pressure off on their end. There's always going to be a need for self defense, but you're right about the gender roles. But those roles only go away when they stop being necessary
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:57 PM
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Women not cultivating mindsets that harm their ability to be open to healthy relationships with men. People say men watch too much porn to have healthy sex lives, it's the same principle. If everything you expose yourself builds prejudice against men (not just bigotry but also hyperselectivity) then that's on you. So much of women's attraction is a function of their mentality, so taking in ideas that help you find what you what you want is common sense. If a guy was a misogynist and said he coul…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:53 PM
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How about women who don't have sex before serious commitment, and who would like to get together with a similar minded man? The difference between a woman who wants commitment before sex and a woman that just doesn't like you much isn't very perceptible most of the time. If you make it crystal clear (explicitly with your words and actions) that that is where you stand, then it's on a guy to be patient and try to build a relationship with you. But most women are too coy and avoidant to communicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:21 PM
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Thank you, and I'll think about what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 04:16 PM
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ADHD baby
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:41 PM
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Making yourself a martyr to principle is not a sustainable practice. There are people who want to kill you in this life, I'm quite sorry to say. And I do mean that. It would be much better if we all actually treated each other better and kept the peace. Going around causing conflict is an undesirable characteristic. This mindset is strange to me, cause I've seen it in a couple women on this thread. Do you consider a propensity for violence and a capacity for it to be the same thing? They're not.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:40 PM
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I’m horny, take your pants of stranger Fairly close to how my sex life has functioned, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:06 PM
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I don't think it would either. Not necessarily. It's just that women are largely living a markedly different experience in life, so they're even less help. It's more that being around men, plural, helps. The more comfortable you are around other men, the better you'll get a feel for what the do's and don'ts are. And you can't get that if you're only comfortable around women and only talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:52 PM
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I know a lot of guys raised with their dads/ brothers who have never done a damn violent thing in their lives. Nobody's saying that men raised with fathers or around other men are necessarily violent. Lolwhat? Why are you assuming that all men are violent or stick up for themselves? I'm not, why are you reading it that way? To live in society is to live among millions of people, some of whom are going to mistreat you, start fights, threaten and insult you. It would serve you well to be able to r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:37 PM
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Your response to me ignores the context of this conversation's premise. Men are not this hard on women. Is a statement about men's preferences, which are varied, comparatively lax, and flexible. You think expecting someone to recognise people's humanity is being hard on them? This, what you said, is a non-sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:34 PM
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Are these women that you're interested in specifically that are like that or women in general where you live? I can only describe the kind of people that I see engaging in dating and the kind of people I've personally dealt with, so a bit of both but curated by my own limitations. I don't have hundreds of women in my DMS to do a survey with. I hope you can find some good people to change your mind Thank you. I hope so too. I made some really good male friends and found a kind boyfriend that chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:26 PM
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Oh you're one of these people that don't understand words and context.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:04 PM
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Being soft makes you a target, it's an invitation to harm. It's not just that you yourself are unwilling to harm others, which is a fair moral position to have, but more that you are incapable/unwilling to defend yourself form others. Which is a given while living in society. Other people are dangerous and will test you. Personally speaking, as a guy raised by a single mother. It's probably given me some dysfunctional/overly functional mindsets around conflict. My threshold for it is very high b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 01:01 PM
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Don't come at her like that. That's way out of line
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:54 PM
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In an environment where wanting serious relationships are punished, it's bad for the people that want them. Modern dating is pretty much noncommittal and/or spontaneous, in my experience. The girls/women don't know how to bond with anyone that isn't another woman, want sex sporadically on a whim, and generally make a mess of things. If you're a guy that wants anything more structured and formal than that, you're fighting the tide.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:50 PM
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but nobody thinks they're misogynist How charitable of you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:44 PM
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It is just very confusing to complain about "getting laid", if what want you actually want is a loving relationship It will make more sense to you when you realize that sex is a barrier to a loving relationship for men. If she won't touch you, she won't be with you either. If you can get sex, there's hope. If you can't, then you're screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:42 PM
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It's a shame how much that's to our detriment. You'd think men who want to commit would have an easier time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:32 PM
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Making friends with women doesn't directly translate to relationships. But being friends with the right woman might. Most women aren't the right woman. Be careful who you're around is my advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:25 PM
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I was about to tag you in the response to this, but then I realized it was you who made this comment. men see this as tedious work and they want women to be laid back and go with the flow. And this is coming from someone who said men are too much work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:21 PM
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You hate men, are you even capable of being attracted to them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:16 PM
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Of course, but there's a difference between in having to be attractive to be viable and having to be attractive to have good options. And that difference is security.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:16 PM
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It's implied in any civilized conversation that buying another person is not the solution to your problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:09 PM
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Can you explain to me where the disconnect is? Like, truly, why do you think that the men you are dating are at all relevant to a conversation about men's dating struggles. If they got your attention, they're not struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:06 PM
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Same here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:02 PM
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There are plenty of average and below average women that disprove this equivalency. The pressure mostly exists for men. Doesn't mean every woman gets to partake, but you have to be really unattractive to have nothing going for you. It's not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:02 PM
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Men are not this hard on women. You don't have to be athletically fit with a great job just to get a date. I truly don't understand how you can read all that and come away with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 11:59 AM
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Maybe my girlfriend wasn't doing as much for me as I thought
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:09 PM
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Personal experience. I'm not using priority to mean sex drive here, more how it's subjectively valued. If I've been with my girlfriend for a year, I'm more willing to go without it for a day than if I were single for a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:23 PM
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Not much to debate here. Your post is right. The idea quoted in the title is a false dichotomy. A lot of people have this tendency to split an issue to create a binary point. Maybe it's a cultural thing (Manichaean worldviews), maybe it just sounds more poetic that way. But you're right that both are dealing with external and internal pressures. Women get pushback on a great deal of things, but the enforcement of these things are largely shame based. If a woman simply decides not to indulge most…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 04:16 PM
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I tend to have very charitable first impressions. It's more with men that I judge by their cover. I feel more comfortable with my assumptions about them, but I don't think it's fair and sometimes I get curve-balls. I think intuition is partially a spook.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:20 PM
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just wanted to jump in That's my line.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:11 PM
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Yeah, it's a very old username.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:09 PM
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Indeed. And more to that point, I think the common understanding of what rejection entails is very different between the average woman, average man. I think women tend to understand rejection as simply not being wanted by a particular person. It's a benign thing that everybody goes through and shouldn't think much of. They don't understand how much cruelty and rudeness and general dismissiveness is entailed in rejection for men. A lot of the time, approaching is just an invitation to be humiliat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 12:05 PM
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It's kind of the age that makes or breaks your patterns in life I'd say. Sure, things might get better later on, but there's social consequences for young people that, to be blunt, don't know how to be young. These are supposed to be the people who are making the next generation, marrying, graduating, starting careers, but instead they're dropping out, not getting laid, have no aim in life. This is fodder for sensationalizing through media and pop studies, and also a real existential problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:56 AM
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You do realize everything in society doesn't have an accompanying study to go with them right? If your prerequisite to discussing anything in life is dependent on journal articles, you're never going to talk about anything important until you're years past its relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:53 AM
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"Oh, you're here to meet new people too?" Actually not that bad as an icebreaker. If she's worth talking to, the meta-conversation is probably a good way to start things off. If she's capable of being conscious of what you're both doing as awkward lonely people in a public place, she's probably sharp. It's the ones who don't want to think for longer than a split second that that wouldn't work with and those are bad for your health anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 11:51 AM
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You're not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:03 AM
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I was literally going to write that in the comment
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:34 PM
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I don't always agree with your take, and I think some of your comments reflect a bitterness I often have second thoughts about some of my takes, so that's more than fair. And I definitely have a chip on my shoulder about more than a few things, so I don't think you're projecting onto me. I thank you for the praise. I feel that much of what I write is too reactive, honestly. I just try to make sure I can defend it when I'm done. I hope your tendency to write well constructed (and by necessity lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:39 PM
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Any of the arguments that ends up somewhere in the range of "men are ravenous beasts incapable of caring about another person's pleasure" would be for this topic. But that's more of a general point about the sub. There are subjects that get far nastier than this. It's an attitude they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:11 PM
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Why would I be talking about you? You're a pleasure to talk to. I think you're wrong about some things, right about others, and I definitely think you have the right mindset. You're not the subject of criticism here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:59 PM
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Agreement is not the same as civility or reason. The ability to talk to someone without treating them as subhuman is what you need to have a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:52 PM
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Sorry that was a Typo. I meant to say women "here". It was a point about this sub, not society
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:37 PM
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since women are more likely to be against any form of body shaming than men are. That's because women tend to have an expectation of having their well-being respected. Most men are pretty acquiesced to the idea that no one gives a fuck what they or anyone else feels. Of course you aren't going to see a great many men be vocally against body shaming. If you haven't noticed on this thread, this is the usual response to men being vocally anti-body shaming. They're gaslit, by women, who deny that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:13 PM
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You mean the guy who's had his entire career destroyed because he thought misogyny was a viable comedy route for his mixed gender audience? That man is an example of exactly how unequal this is. At every point in the process well into the present, he's been punished for attacking women. When I say "can't do", the implication is that I "can't do and benefit from doing". You can do a whole lot of things in this life if you don't care about consequences, but this topic wouldn't be very relevant if …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:00 PM
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I don't take the mentally ill ramblings of this sub as gospel, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:56 PM
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The thing about pressure is that it comes with a consequence. Just because people want you to do things that you don't want to do doesn't mean you're under pressure. There has to be a cost to you. Most women, don't want any of the men that espouse these ideas in the first place. The greatest issue that it makes for you is your peace of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:54 PM
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The least representative content you can find is not reflective of general culture. It's like using Howard Stern as an example what Americans find funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:52 PM
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You think most women walk around insulting men that they can't make their partners wet? Among many other things, yeah. It's low hanging fruit that makes people who think like that laugh. Meanspirited women are everywhere, so of course women walk around insulting men. For some it's part of how they people watch. Making fun of people you don't care about is a minor pastime. Half the problem with this kind of body shaming is that women don't take it seriously. Hurting a man's feelings is the least …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:49 PM
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That's very true. It's still taken far more seriously and happens less than anything related to men. You and your physical flaws don't make you a walking target everywhere you go. I can't do a comedy set in front of ten thousand people about your labia, hun. Always so desperate to draw equivalencies between things have have no balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:47 PM
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Keep telling yourself that. Most men aren't going to mention another man's genitals in any capacity. Women have a near monopoly on the sexual shaming and it's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:39 PM
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The majority of men hold inherently sexist beliefs, not through any fault of their own, but through generations of .... The greatest source of misogyny will always be lived experiences. The idea that somehow every person until 1960 was just a cultural xerox of their forebearers through time memorial is just a politicized fantasy. Yes, certain attitudes are cultivated and perpetuated through culture. But it is ignorant to blindly assume that this is taking place at all times. Socialization is an …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:17 PM
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Gotta break eggs if you want to cook. Disregard idiots who want you to starve.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:06 PM
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No, I meant as a subset of men that you would not take the people here as representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:05 PM
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if i have to be aggressive to have a good time w someone, why would i want a relationship with them? Making sure you are heard and an active participant in your shared conversation is not aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:04 PM
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With that flair, you'd think you wouldn't take the men on this sub that seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:01 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:55 PM
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Nah, I'm trying to chill. The one friend I talked to about them got tired of hearing about my relationship problems when I had a relationship to complain about. And I genuinely like to have sex in the most straightforwardly wholesome, loving environment I can find.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 05:49 PM
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Yeah, I'm cosigning this. I don't have some mythical idea that everything will get better in the future. The problems I deal with in dating are likely to get worse not better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:40 PM
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It's not true. End thread. Modern dating has a number of underlying conceits that allow people to swallow a very cutthroat and chaotic process that enables a whole lot more misery than it prevents. And one of those conceits is that there is someone for everyone. Which, while being physically truer than it isn't, doesn't reflect social reality. It's more true that there's a man for every woman, but even that has caveats to it. I don't think the response to things being this way is to just throw u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 04:05 PM
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Not on this podcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:58 PM
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I didn't know I had to touch it. Well you don't have to touch it, but it's better for you than just looking at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:57 PM
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Oh, I understand you now. And yes it is quite sad. I don't understand why it's so hard to get people to respect one another's humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:55 PM
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You wanna touch some grass, little squirrel?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:54 PM
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I don't know how you go from agreeing to saying that last sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:37 PM
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Constantly criticizing a woman to the point that they do whatever you tell them to because they're exhausted at everything they do being wrong? That's usually considered abused when done to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:36 PM
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I'm not this type of guy, but I do think the commenter who mentioned selection bias might be on to something. And also men are just under a different set of pressures on dates. Like I can look at a couple ways: I can understand why a guy might not really know how to engage in an equal conversation with a woman he feels he has to impress. So, instead of having a back and forth, they'll opt for just throwing out everything about them in hopes something sticks out or sounds impressive, but if the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:34 PM
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And that’s kinda hard to take seriously. What's hard to take seriously about it? The whole point of law is to discourage vigilantism. If you discredit law as a legitimate means of settling disputes that is what will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:15 PM
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Acting as if prison abolition is a universal tenet of feminism is overblown. TERFS are not Angela Davis and they don't give two shits about prison reform unless it involves forcing transwomen to go to a men's prison. And on it goes. Women weaponizing legal systems and law enforcement against men should not be a foreign concept to you. And whether or not it's true or not, feminists claim to represent women. So there's gender-based baggage around the concept of women accusing men of things they di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:13 PM
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This argument is disingenuous as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:09 PM
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Technically all parties of a case do have a right to perform their own cross examinations in the same way they technically have the right to represent themselves. It's considered poor form and the judge will probably hold it against you, but it can happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:05 PM
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I think that's a fair complaint to have. If you're with me and aren't even considering marriage, I'd second guess the relationship too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 03:22 AM
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Diversity and standards are not mutually exclusive. There are women who are exceptions, but there is also a general tendency that they're an exception to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:56 AM
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Thank you and you're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:46 AM
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If they're not in the top 20% looks-wise, nothing else means anything and even love is basically worthless. I think the men here are grappling with a sort of fundamental insecurity that comes with being a man. I don't think it's in a healthy way and they tend to articulate it in very vulgar terms, but I get why they fixate on the mythical man that can get damn near any woman. As men, in this time period especially, if we don't get everything right in romance very early on or get quite lucky we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:40 AM
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I... I disagree. This is one of those things where people reflexively both-sides the point because it feels fair. I don't see men assuming women's priorities are their own like I see women do. I see men warp women's priorities, I even see them make them up from scratch, but never assume they're the same. This is a woman thing through and through. And I don't mean that in a meanspirited way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:29 AM
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If I called a man as "marriage material" that means i find him so physically attractive that i want to be with him and want him forever. why is that supposedly a bad thing? Do men want to be uhh "pumped and dumped" or smth instead? Most men's primary anxiety about marriage is being used by a woman for stability while not actually being desired. It's not that men want to be used for sex, it's that sex (early and passionate) is the only sign of desire that can be believed. Accepting a marriage pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:23 AM
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I don't think it's that hard to just say "I'm not attracted to you". It's neutral and can still be polite. It's not hard at all. But I think the issue with a lot of girls/women/etc. is that that neutral "I just don't like you like that message" isn't true to their feelings. A lot of women process their lack of attraction through disgust and offense and so their feelings on the subject are a lot closer to "Get the fuck away from me, gross!" than it is to just acknowledging a lack of chemistry. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 01:07 AM
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You're taking that truism very literally. It's conveying an idea about women that men will generally find to be true, not 100% of the time, just enough to take the gist of it to heart; that above all else you have to be stimulating to keep a woman around. That doesn't mean abusers have a free ride or that women are being put down. It's just that's the way things go is that you will last longer as an interesting train wreck than as put-together and boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 12:51 AM
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Well I'm glad someone appreciates being outside the mold.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 04:59 PM
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You want a normal man?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 02:30 PM
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So you're saying that if you came all your problems would go away?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:02 AM
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I think that's why it's important to vet what kind of person you're building a life with. There's a difference between a woman who leaves because you gained 100 pounds and became an alcoholic and a woman who leaves because you're not rich enough to bankroll her dreams. Reasonable women exist. And not every woman's desires are that hard to meet. You'll just never know for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:20 PM
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What in the "let them eat cake" is this mindset?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:04 PM
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So literally what everyone else does. Again you keep acting like your experience is valid, mine is not. We both got our through lived experience, watching others in our lives and talking to them about their shit. Could you talk more about what you've been through then? I just want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:52 PM
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No, that's the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm saying that once they're in a relationship they can't stop trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:43 PM
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And some men would do well to remember divorce courts are filled with men who thought they had happy marriages. There's a medium between being so full of self-loathing that you can't believe a woman wants you, and being naive enough not to silently question a big mismatch of looks. People second-guess their long term decisions, that's life. And sometimes you're the long term decision that gets a second guess. If a man wants to keep their relationships, they have to make sure they pass that recon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:33 PM
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I don't think there is one. Your particular relationship will have its own dynamics, but there is no universal thing that men can give and take away at leisure to get what they want. Everything men offer can and likely will be denied by most women. Everything men offer won't necessarily get most women to stay. And honestly, I think even your example of sex is slightly overblown. Sex is important to men, but if it was this important, no man would ever break up with a woman, there'd be no relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:25 PM
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I am not the Lorax
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:20 PM
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That's like saying the sky is blue is anecdotal evidence. Women not liking short men is just how things are. It's like expecting me to provide evidence that people play with their dogs at the park more than they play with cats. As a human being living in society, I have a general understanding of how things are. And the flip side of that is that I have been around men and I know what meatheads talk about. The demographic of men who would give you shit are people that I have been forced to talk t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:12 PM
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So you're telling me that you think a majority of men would refuse to date a woman that doesn't have an hour glass figure and will reject them on sight while being offended that they even approached them in the first place? Cause that would be an equivalent. If only 10% of women have it and a supermajority of women are in relationships, that math doesn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:04 PM
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White knights I swear...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:01 PM
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So you tell me my experiences and observations are just my own but yours is the truth. I'm not getting why my experience ranks under yours? I didn't say it ranks under mine. I just said what I'm talking about is more substantiated. It's literally one of the most common and accepted prejudices in our culture. There's no pushback, next to no recognition, it's just how things are and you can't really get away from it. I already told you that I think what you went through is real. But I'm not going …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:59 AM
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I'm not a white guy. There's a cultural element to that which is not universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:51 AM
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I guess I imagined it when I was rejected for being too short or my friend was told they don't date giants. A few individual men are not an equivalent to a culture of millions of people who think being shorter than 5'7 makes you equivalent to being ugly as sin. It's not. You didn't imagine that and I'm sorry it happened to you. But there is a difference between individual guys being jerks sporadically and millions of women sharing a general prejudice. Men don't sit around talking shit about tall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:49 AM
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Looking in the mirror and applying some critical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:35 AM
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It's not the same dynamic. Men tend to look for partners who are desirable both socially and physically for long term relationships. You're trying to prove a contradiction on something that men aren't claiming. You're looking for hypocrisy in an argument that starts with an assumption of fundamental differences between you and them. The answer to your question would likely be a no for most men, and that has no baring in their minds on how women are attracted to men for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:34 AM
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I would be more interested in seeing the 20-39 year old's stats. Below 30 it's about 66% single. I don't remember the below 40 stats well enough to quote it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:29 AM
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Why would men extend that understanding when in their experience women's preferences are more rigid and exclusive than their own. There is no male equivalent to the heigh requirements. It doesn't matter whether every woman has it or not, for those that have it, it's practical disqualifier for anyone that has that trait. Men, far more than women, make exceptions. Just because you feel like you do that as an individual doesn't change the general culture we live in where that is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:27 AM
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Because it's the foundation of a successful romantic relationship. You're not going to date someone you get along with. The guy isn't saying that women should just be 110% supportive on day one, they should show some capacity to give a damn. It's not women failing on the higher levels of support that's the problem. It's women failing to even be considerate for the lower level stuff. These are people you can't even tell that you had a bad day at work or don't like a certain food. Their capacity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:14 AM
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I dont know where you got the idea that men care about what other men think... They project their social dynamics onto us because they think it's part of the general human experience, not something that's predominantly done by women. The average man is far too isolated to be crowdsourcing opinions on their love life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:05 AM
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Cutting my losses here, enjoy your day
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:54 PM
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Misandry is when you think any man in your presence is trying to trick you. Anti-social is when you distrust people who give you no reason to distrust them, keep them at an arm's length, and still talk shit about them on the internet. No, you're not getting it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:47 PM
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Those aren't friendships. And it's obvious that you're misandrist. You already assume the worst of any man around you. You're anti-social and they're not the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:28 PM
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The person who responded to me is not the person I asked. And I didn't ignore what they said. They drew an equivalence between men attracted to their female friends to opportunists. Which is a fucked up thing to think about someone you make the choice to associate with. If they're so untrustworthy, you shouldn't be "friends" in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:24 PM
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If you choose to see people that value you and want you in their life like they're pests, then that's more of a reflection of how you see them than how they see you. It's one thing if a guy isn't respecting your boundaries, it's another to treat wanting a romantic relationship in general like it's a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:17 PM
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Why is that something that makes them untrustworthy to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:02 PM
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Wouldn't be the first time I've seen someone blame their partner for relationship weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:28 AM
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Seconded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:03 AM
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Men are not at liberty to complain about anything women do to them, especially not something about sexual satisfaction. When men aren't happy with the sex they have or get, they are called entitled. Yet somehow because you're not getting off, it's a matter of justice? It's hypocritical. Me, personally? I think it's worthwhile to talk about and women do need their needs met. But that's hard move the needle on when only your complaints are considered respectable conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:36 PM
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f she's asking you, that begs the question why don't you ask women what they like? XD I fucking do! And I don't have a breakdown if I'm not hitting the right spot. I will adjust to my partner's desires. It's to the point that I don't even like foreplay ON MY END that much I don't understand how anyone can read this statement and hear that I don't care about foreplay in general. That's why the caveat is there in the first place. I'd rather handle my partner's pleasure than deal with them trying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:15 PM
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I mean, talking to you makes it feel like one! Cause apparently enough men don't that you hate them or don't trust them, don't speak to them, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:52 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:47 PM
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It's a correction of a thing they're doing. If you're asking him "am I doing this right" and only want to hear, "yes that feels amazing" then getting feedback different than that just sounds like criticism. And they will react like it's criticism. It's to the point that I don't even like foreplay on my end that much. Cause it's a minefield. I'd rather just focus on them so they can feel good about themselves and we can just do other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:46 PM
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Well why do you think it's boring then, what do you like to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:42 PM
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I'm saying that if I were to answer from experience, I would say absolutely. But I'm just a reflection of myself, and at most the current dating environment. Women are scarce, and if you're the type to take no for an answer, the only time sex happens is when the rare woman shows up that wants sex. I don't think data would reflect this experience, I don't think it's anything that'd have good data regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:41 PM
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Don't make me redownload tinder, I'm 3 months clean
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:37 PM
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The same way I did - learning about anatomy and applying intuition. I think it's partially an emotional intelligence question and I will admit that a great many men are very much out of their depth on that front. It's easier to make someone feel good if you are capable of perceiving the feedback you're getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:35 PM
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Why aren't you on top of him, I thought this conversation was about orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:31 PM
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you're telling me you think it is women pushing for sex as soon as possible? Based off my own experience, absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:30 PM
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if that were true then men could just tell women exactly what they need If you can't listen to feedback without stressing out and shutting down then there's no amount of direction that will work. A lot of women are just not able to handle criticism (no matter how gentle or patiently it is given) without it triggering an anxiety attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:28 PM
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You must be a very selfish lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 08:25 PM
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No lies said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:40 PM
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So what is FDS then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 03:13 AM
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I think having sex with someone who’s not sensible and has good boundaries is a liability waiting to happen. In your case as a man, what if she decides to not take her birth control? What if she doesn’t believe in abortion? What if she has STDs and doesn’t think she should tell you? I'm assuming that there was a typo in there somewhere. I agree, sex with women like that is just bad for you. I was going to say a lot more, but I'll leave it at this. Dating sucks as a man precisely you're forced to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 02:47 AM
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men often describe things in the cruelest, most aggressive way possible Funny, I find that women are the ones who tend to treat people like shit and call it 'honesty'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:32 AM
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I don't know bud. Seems like women's standards come from a lot of places, not just what men do. But you'd know better than me, so I'll take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:08 PM
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It's not about you, sister. I can say everything you just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:33 PM
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that’s silly, men have no fear of violence because they rejected a woman. Ridiculous statements aren't justified by trauma. I'm sorry for what you've been through. But this is just not true. Whether it's violence by proxy (police or male members of your support network) or directly from the woman it's absolutely a fear that men have. I don't want to get slapped, hit, or have a drink thrown on me cause I thought you were cute, I don't want to get jumped, I don't want to get shot, pepper sprayed o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:29 PM
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Only foolish people follow the tug of their lust around like that enough to act upon it.Most women aren't that foolish, if only because the consequences of such foolishness are too high for us. Women without wisdom are legion. I think you're very right about how people with healthy and sensible boundaries operate. But that's not all people, it's all people that you want to deal with, but it's not all people. And a great deal of people are very circumstantial in how they fall along the scale from…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:14 PM
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You seem to find me annoying, and I haven't made a pass
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 10:42 PM
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People's* Bullets, thank us very much
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:29 PM
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Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 12:13 PM
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That's fair. I think what gets men is that they're taught to give women too much grace when they're treating them badly in general. They'll blame it on something she's going through or something that happened in the past, when it's really they're just dealing with a terrible person who hasn't learned to treat others better. It's sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 12:01 PM
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Men's baseline for treatment from women is in the cesspool. That's the point. Manipulating a man into a relationship is an improvement because most women are just blatant bigots.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:57 AM
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Why am I catching strays?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:51 AM
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Depends on the woman. Some women take a lot of pleasure in playing with men's emotions like a toy. They press the buttons just to see if they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:50 AM
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Women already do that and don't pretend to find us fascinating for it. We already put up with disinterest, apathy and hostility. What you're proposing is an upgrade. It's not respectful, wouldn't make anyone with self-respect feel good. But most people looking for that, if they don't already have a partner, are opting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:48 AM
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What happened to you. Every time you answer something it comes back to sex like all men's complaints about women would just evaporate if we all got laid or if women didn't have vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:42 AM
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It surrounds us, binds us, penetrates us, it gives them their power.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:40 AM
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Respect is a given? Go to homeless shelters, pay attention to all those people you ignore on the street and tell me respect is a given again. Cause that's what happens when men don't make the cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:37 AM
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You cannot say these two statements together as if they are the same point. Either you want ass-kissers or you want honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:34 AM
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Please go into this, cause that is just mystifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:20 AM
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Thank you for this, I really appreciate hearing that right now actually. You're welcome. I meant that. And I think we agree on the morals here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:41 AM
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Seems like the root to a lot dating problems have to do with selecting the best partner to have children with. I think any idea that revolves around "picking the best mate" is more of a eugenicist euphemism than a genuine thought people have. If you're looking at another person and your thoughts are about what level of breeding stock they are, you're probably a sociopath. Attraction is a subconscious thing, for the most part, and it doesn't matter if you're dating to marry or dating to party. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 12:33 AM
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I'm not trying to argue with you here, just responding. no idea what you mean by that in the context of this conversation) Expecting others to self-sacrifice is expecting them to "martyr themselves". That's what I meant. If the idea about women wanting terrible men so long as they are powerful is true, then expecting men that want a relationship to not seek power is expecting them to sacrifice their chances for a principle. It's a good principle, and I don't think the idea is true. But all the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 12:16 AM
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I can't imagine what it must be like living life trying to mold yourself into what you think other people want Then you lack imagination. You shouldn't be surprised women's attraction to men I'm not surprised at what women do. Women like who they like whether it's fake or genuine. openly say that you want to be terrible people I think you've got the point mixed up. The men who are bothered by this don't want to be terrible people, they're conflicted because they see demonstrably terrible people …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:14 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:31 PM
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The conceit behind the idea of a man being used for his resources doesn't apply to a woman that is simply chosen over another woman but still gets the same kind of relationship the other woman would have. Like, the anxiety around the idea for men is the difference in treatment, the difference in requirements to even get into the relationship. The unrequited love interest actually being appreciated and recognized on the same terms as the more "popular/pretty/etc." one is less of an inverted trope…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:30 PM
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Krillin gets 18 because he has a good heart despite being short and bald, He's also strong enough to blow up a planet and fought a world-ending monster for her sake. I mean, not to indulge the pill talk, but dude was top 10 on the planet. Everyone better than him was either a minor, taken, or an asexual ascetic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:22 PM
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Well...that's hurtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:18 PM
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Parties are a third space.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:18 PM
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It's a pet theory of mine, but I try not to just blurt it out cause I'm afraid of creating an unproductive conversation. But as practical advise men really have to stop thinking that women are just men with low testosterone. They have too much variation, too much passivity, too much infrequency in their desires for heterosexual to be understood in the same terms between men and women. Compulsory heterosexuality is a good entry point into understanding how women engage with their own sexuality wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:14 PM
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Would you listen to people who hate you and take enjoyment in your difficulties in life? I wouldn't. Any woman that wants to be listened to by men has to clear the hurdle of being trusted in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:02 PM
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No, because it only protects from men that already respect boundaries. It's always a good excuse to blame the sex pests and predators, but women would still be like this if they were completely safe. They just don't like men. When women like men, they take risks, they get closer to the dangerous men when they like them. It's not a protective measure, it's an exclusionary measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:00 PM
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Not beating the misandry allegations
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:58 PM
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The foundation of society is not in individual people spontaneously deciding to do the right thing. People generally respond to what they're taught and what they see work. If what they're taught fails them, they look for alternatives. You can think what you want, but it won't change that. What would change it is a change in culture that has to start with women, because women don't listen to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:24 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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