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if you think a hot person is a different 'instrument' from a not hot person That isn't what I'm getting at, however much looks counting has been argued to death in seddit. I'm saying that a person with no experience in a specific set of skills shouldn't be criticized as colossally stupid for not having developed them, especially when something like "emotional intelligence" is so broad. You want to make the conversation about my failures with women so as to disqualify anything I have to say: I'll…
/r/seduction06/05/24 07:10 AM
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People can be offered criticism without suggesting that they're complete and abject morons. The men who come to this subreddit looking for help have their own problems, insecurities, and vulnerabilities. As such I think it's important you tell them what their problems might be without including degrading, unsupported nonsense like "you're the lowest 5th percentile of emotional IQ." Even as a turn of phrase it's just completely unnecessary and seems only to serve as a way to make the writer feel …
/r/seduction06/05/24 06:49 AM
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Are you okay? I usually find your stuff insightful and helpful. Never meet your heroes, I guess.
/r/seduction06/05/24 03:19 AM
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I would agree I'm pretty low on the rung of understanding what people find fun and sexy, but it seems kinda harsh to say someone's emotional IQ is low when they haven't had experience with a specific set of social skills. It's kinda like saying someone's musical potential is garbage when they've never actually played an instrument in their lives
/r/seduction06/05/24 01:49 AM
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do you get the thing where they're like "omfg you're from paris?!!" that probably helps a lot, maybe you should continue to live in paris but just hit up every hotel bar you go to
/r/seduction06/05/24 01:44 AM
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The old pua forum used to call this the boner test. If you get hard thinking about her then go for it
/r/seduction05/05/24 09:32 PM
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It sounds like you'd benefit from meeting women in places where your connection is more organic. Switch it up from the generic grind, go to some concerts or cons or festivals or art shows or game clubs or piano bars or rock climbing places -- anything new that you like, really. Book your schedule til it's busted. Approach when you see a girl that really piques your interest; if mediocrity has led to ennui then you have to up your standards and accept that you'll get a lot of flakes. Finally, tho…
/r/seduction05/05/24 06:54 PM
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When a stranger judges you, they are doing so based on the information available to them and their understanding of it. It's literal tip-of-the-iceberg stuff. Even in long flings and relationships, someone who knows many qualities of you doesn't necessarily know you at your core all that well. They may not show the initiative to understand or be patient with you in your circumstances. You do not know the quality of their ability to judge you; they may (and likely do) make assumptions or prematur…
/r/seduction05/05/24 06:16 PM
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This is why it's so important to be social generally and go out with friends, if that's an option. You'll feel a lot less shitty with people who want to be there with you than by yourself, and friends who get you will let you do your horndogging. Plus social proof, I guess.
/r/seduction05/05/24 05:48 AM
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Why shouldn't he ask her out?
/r/seduction05/05/24 03:42 AM
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Are you flirting with these women?
/r/seduction03/05/24 02:36 PM
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Escorts would just treat a symptom of his problem. The cause is that he feels women don't want to be intimate with him because his life and/or personality are too lacking to be of interest to them. I guess it could help with the "I'm a virgin" part of the equation, but I'm not sure it would help his self image if the treatment was "I had to get a hooker to change that."
/r/seduction02/05/24 10:50 PM
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Are you alone or with friends at the venues?
/r/seduction02/05/24 09:36 PM
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The only fantasy I'm seeing here is your apparent idea that you're going to find a perfectly chaste girl who wants only you and who isn't going to wake up one day and find someone else hotter or more interesting than you.
/r/seduction02/05/24 07:04 PM
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My comment is more about style and demeanor. If you're looking for low body count and high monogamy, go hit on Mormon girls. I prefer people who are allowed to behave like actual humans.
/r/seduction02/05/24 06:45 PM
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They say "thank you" then i ask for the number. That's the main thing, like you're being bold with your interest but you're basically just playing it like irl tinder and they're left swiping. They gotta get to know you and your personality better since they might just be neutral or not sold on just your looks. So get to know them a bit first, like you'd talk to any other stranger at the bar you're not attracted to. The only difference is you mix some flirting in, and if they're cold to it you ju…
/r/seduction02/05/24 06:18 PM
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Focus on the bag at that age. Maximize your value outside of dating. You have decades of dating shelf life ahead of you, so at the moment there is no hurry to find a significant other let alone someone you might think of as a life partner.
/r/seduction02/05/24 05:46 PM
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Are you looking mainly in bars and clubs? Probably just need to change your venues to stuff that's quieter and more artsy or spiritual.
/r/seduction02/05/24 05:36 PM
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You should be touching her in a non-weird way from the very beginning to see how comfortable she is -- handshakes, hugs, gently touching her upper arm with the back of your hand to get her attention and later touches on the shoulder. At the start, obviously no grabby stuff or touches on more intimate parts of her (if you wouldn't touch a dude on that part of his body, you don't do it), and never make touches too hard or feel like they're coming from nowhere. If she ever seems uncomfortable, you …
/r/seduction02/05/24 05:27 PM
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Looking at this I want to say you go for IG and then treat it like it's OLD if they follow back. What/how are you opening/conversing irl? We need to trade on this shit, I am 100% hopeless at OLD
/r/seduction02/05/24 04:54 PM
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Sometimes you don't do anything "wrong". There could be a billion reasons why she doesn't accept; safety, the situation not being normal, you not being her type, figures she's never going to see you again, has a boyfriend, etc.
/r/seduction02/05/24 04:50 PM
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I also have a brain that's a puppy on a leash. You gotta tell it to stfu and focus on what she is doing and saying in the moment, and keep your shit short and focused. If you must dwell on specifics in the future, make it the next five minutes tops, keep it super vague and uncertain any further out than that. People get freaked out when we get verbose or project some fictional future involving them when there is no consent involved. Sometimes girls love the fantasy being suggested, but you have …
/r/seduction02/05/24 04:36 PM
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He meant that he doesn't act "normal" around women, not that he wants to "get normal girls". Definitely agree with the "try to become social with everyone first" part.
/r/seduction02/05/24 03:36 PM
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Shoot your shot and don't worry about it. I'm of the opinion that people chemistry is a bit like trying to fit random puzzle pieces together. You need the right two pieces in the right orientation(s). Out of those hundreds or thousands of dudes dropping likes, how many do you think have any real understanding of or chemistry with her? And even if they do, are they her type? Do their schedules line up? And if everything seems right, how long is that going to be true? People change, life happens, …
/r/seduction01/05/24 11:17 AM
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Some of this stuff is subconscious and reasoning about it helps a little, but maybe not completely. In those cases, focus on moving your feet toward the woman you're interested in, to the point that it becomes weirder to turn around than to say hi. This pitches your anxiety at the one against the other, and so you will speak because you fear the results of fleeing or freezing more. Then you can reframe any "failures" as just needing practice (since anxiety tends to go down the more used to somet…
/r/seduction01/05/24 12:26 AM
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Learn to talk to people -- men, women, doesn't matter. The main thing is that you're capable at it and congruent regardless of the gender, level of attractiveness, or social stature. When you're done good at that, learn to flirt with people -- men, women, your choice. But guys sometimes do it too in Western countries to mess with one another.
/r/seduction01/05/24 12:15 AM
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It can mean just straight-up telling a girl you think she's attractive, but in practice it's not really different from your second example. The difference tends to be the source material of the conversation (street you're on, city you're in, things you're looking to do, stuff happening around you -- you can obviously still say something about the way she looks or behaves, within reason). Instead of an art show, now you're on a city block, or in front of some food trucks, on the beach, on a rooft…
/r/seduction30/04/24 11:25 PM
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this is silly, if you learned to be who you are now you can learn to be the you you want to be
/r/seduction30/04/24 08:14 PM
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don't be incel pilled
/r/seduction30/04/24 01:19 AM
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Yes share the ig, reply with noncommittal "kk ill hit you up", and if it goes quiet now then later in the week you can ping her with a low-commitment text/meme between now and next friday. after some time simply ask if she can go to place at time on day, unless she has explicitly responded negatively for some reason. if yes, you're in. if not, you can rinse repeat but best to keep on approaching in the meanwhile
/r/seduction29/04/24 09:11 PM
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"Thanks for not texting jerk" Maybe don't do this.
/r/seduction29/04/24 08:44 PM
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Logistics is king, and having a nice place is a plus. I'd go with the twin and work out sexiling with your roommate.
/r/seduction29/04/24 08:42 PM
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Boils down to results. Is she texting/spending more time with/showing me more positive body language, or is it the opposite? Do less of the bad stuff and more of the good stuff. How do you know what's good? You can only experiment with your own behaviors or words or try out what other guys do. As before, good results = make it a thing you do at the times you think it's good to do it, bad results = do less of it. Everyone is different, so what works for you with some girls may be different from w…
/r/seduction29/04/24 08:28 PM
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I was in a similar boat to you last year, on a four year dry spell and incredibly frustrated and bored and feeling like I had some massive personal problem that kept me from getting laid. As it turns out, I do have some of those problems, but the most important ones were actually the easiest to fix. I think your chief issues are 1. not decisively inviting women to more fun or unique events than a coffee, 2. not knowing how to self-amuse or to flirt, and 3. being in a job that is unaccommodating …
/r/seduction29/04/24 07:37 PM
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we all came from sex, perhaps you have simply been conditioned to believe there is something shameful about expressing yourself in that way i also realize it can feel like you're intruding on someone's consent to do that, which is why the whole thing is done in little steps and often indirectly so as not to make people feel overwhelmed or overcommitted, if that makes sense. you don't need to stop being a good man to start being a bold or exciting or sexual one
/r/seduction29/04/24 05:02 PM
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these women sound pretentious and insufferable, give me a 7 without an attitude any day
/r/seduction29/04/24 04:23 PM
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Why?
/r/seduction29/04/24 04:22 PM
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Where do you meet these women that are open to calling or video calling? I've never had that experience.
/r/seduction29/04/24 04:19 PM
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I didn't pay enough care to money when I was younger. As a result, my opportunities are fewer and my social stature is perhaps smaller than it might otherwise have been. Stability is the bare minimum; thriving is attractive. I don't eat enough, so my body is small and scrawny. I don't keep my place clean. I don't keep a curious, active, or interesting enough lifestyle. I don't have a vision or direction for my life. I don't practice my social skills enough to stay consistently sharp. I have not …
/r/seduction29/04/24 05:00 AM
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I attracted a woman with confidence, and lost her because that confidence was not built on a foundation of lasting value.
/r/seduction29/04/24 02:39 AM
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it's a fantasy to you because you're too busy being a pussy to go out and try to make it your reality
/r/seduction21/08/23 05:50 PM
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Caveman brain. Big strong man protect woman childs.
/r/seduction18/08/23 06:14 PM
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Most people tend not to find it relaxing or fun to talk about stuff they can't easily understand, relate to, and/or express because it becomes mental effort that's more intellectual than it is emotional. Luckily for this thread, I'm somewhat autistic, so deconstructing stuff is my bread and butter. Speaking of. It seems to me like these ideas have to be easily consumable yet tasty, like beer and wings instead of like a several course meal with complex wine or spirit. There's a time and a place f…
/r/seduction17/07/23 05:40 PM
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Then how do you explain why OP said “no mandatory dates, no nothing. Call, pick up, smash” ? Like, the idea that women would just pick up the phone for Average Joe Blow She Barely Knows and come over to his place to smash sans any kind of vetting for safety was bizarre enough that I simply assumed "low effort once you have rapport" was the intended subtext. I didn't read "no nothing" literally but as "nothing additional". FWIW we agree on the basic idea and I invite /u/Stutterer2101 to clarify.
/r/seduction17/07/23 04:03 AM
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Notice he says "call a woman" which implies enough comfort she a) wants to take the call and b) will come back to his place, which is within 30 minutes of where she is. it isn't at all saying most women are dtf within 30 minutes of learning you live by yourself
/r/seduction16/07/23 11:41 PM
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Yeah I don't think the point is that having your own place will make you more attractive just that it removes a barrier to acting on it
/r/seduction16/07/23 10:48 PM
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I have a good face, I'm pretty good at one of my chosen skills that a lot of people can see at once, and sometimes I even get compliments about the way I dress. I can confirm that these things are not just not enough, they will actually hurt you if you're an awkward dweeb because your social/seduction skills will look incongruent with the rest of you. How can I be confident if I realize that literally none of the things I possess, that I believed were assets, actually matter all that much to the…
/r/seduction11/06/23 03:42 AM
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I think ruthlessness is an unnecessary social poison. Determined? Persistent? Competitive? Seizing opportunity before someone else? Mercenary with regard to people who don't have your best interests at heart? All well and good. But you never need to be a dick or a horrible person to find fulfillment in life.
/r/seduction04/06/23 05:40 PM
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you either find the fun in it or you don't I think you're right about this - Talk to more strangers, learn all the sociology, psychology and behavioral economics you can, it wont make you better with people But dead wrong about this. Some of us have believed going in that we can learn most of what we need sitting inside and learning theory. You will not. You will be blindsided and bewildered when people don't behave in accordance with textbooks. Shocking, right? People are extremely varied and w…
/r/seduction04/06/23 05:37 PM
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I think the mistake a lot of guys make when they're starting out is having expectations. Your dick wants to go from A to X Y or Z and that's obviously extremely daunting and not at all how you should ever approach any social interaction. So step back into the present. Worry, or better yet, don't worry and just float from A to B and maybe C if everyone seems to be enjoying it, and if not, if it stalls out or goes quiet just say "nice to meet you, I'm going to go do <this thing> now" and move on o…
/r/seduction01/06/23 12:19 AM
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overwhelming majority of women How do we know it's the overwhelming majority? because it happens so much Is it because it happens so much, or is it because so many of these encounters aren't fun? How many stories do you hear about catcalling, about guys who approach while she's nonverbally screaming "leave me tf alone", etc.? Women want to have fun and feel seen as human beings, not feel like guys (who they might not even have any attraction to) are just swinging their dicks in their faces and o…
/r/seduction31/05/23 05:44 PM
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I've been here. You will go through a long and painful struggle if you leave her that will ultimately lead you to better social and seduction success. But if you stay instead, you could build a lasting relationship with someone who genuinely appreciates you without having to go through all that, assuming you see it working out. What I can tell you from experience is that it will not work out unless you discard your seduction ambitions entirely. And if you stay friends but still desire her, it wi…
/r/seduction03/05/23 06:12 PM
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what if you are a nervous wreck self-perpetuated by years of failure
/r/seduction28/10/22 09:12 AM
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I guess to start with, adjust only the fit of your current clothes to accentuate rather than hide your body - A snug but not tight fit for t-shirts and a bit on the slim side for button shirts, straight to slim for jeans. Move on to the MFA Basic Bastard Guide. If you intend to evolve your style, you will eventually spread quite far from this, but it is a good foundation. You obviously don't need everything shown in this guide, it's just some examples of outfits that "work." Use your plainclothe…
/r/seduction16/10/22 11:18 AM
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what if you're not that good looking and don't have anything unique or interesting to compete with apart from the two things you're good at that nobody else really cares about and you're never good enough at everything else you try
/r/seduction16/10/22 10:59 AM
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Time to move?
/r/seduction16/10/22 10:08 AM
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I gravitated into three chicks and a dude one night and the chicks hooked hard on a Spongebob reference. People feel seen if you understand something that has emotional weight to them and they like spending time around people that they feel seen and accepted by. I'm very good at this, not so much the sexiness part.
/r/seduction16/10/22 10:06 AM
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I'm struggling mightily with not being good enough currently. What changed your mindset and finally made you say fuck it and turned things around for you?
/r/seduction16/10/22 09:56 AM
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I want to ask her out but I'm not sure how to go about it or if I should Asking out isn't actually a big deal and doesn't put any obligation on her to spend more than a little time with you, as long as you're not making a big show of it. Think of a specific thing to do at a specific time and suggest that you do it together, based on common interests you might have or that you'd find fun. Since this would be a first date, you'd probably want to pick something she (or you) could have a fairly easy…
/r/seduction03/10/22 08:03 PM
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you are a smarter man than i
/r/seduction02/10/22 08:01 AM
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You say so
/r/seduction30/09/22 07:20 PM
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But a lot of people say that college is the best platform to date Those people say that because they lack resourcefulness and imagination. True, you have the readiest access to a huge number of presumably single and young people at any given moment, but that doesn't mean those people suddenly disappear when you leave school.
/r/seduction30/09/22 08:53 AM
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This is how you find, and lose, your bi date to one of the strippers.
/r/seduction30/09/22 08:50 AM
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Just find out what cool places are open in your area This is easier said than done. I hope to find a way to fix that, but so far it seems like the old-fashioned ways are the way to do it - newspaper columns, asking people at the bar.
/r/seduction30/09/22 08:48 AM
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Don't be uninterested (unless you are, and you should feel free to change the subject), just don't be a fake overenthusiastic simp weirdo. Show the same level of interest you'd show a guy telling you the same things she's telling you, but with flirting and derailment thrown in.
/r/seduction30/09/22 08:46 AM
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This is correct, but also completely unhelpful.
/r/seduction30/09/22 08:41 AM
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What do you think is going wrong? Do you notice things that you do or say that cause shifts in body language or the tone of the interaction? Are you getting too dry and intellectual and serious and factual instead of keeping the mood light and fun and sexy? Are you using touch, or are you too afraid to break the barrier?
/r/seduction30/09/22 08:24 AM
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Listen, I get where you're coming from. I haven't had sex in years. I didn't lose my virginity until I was 24. Despite my dry spell, lately I've had small successes - Making people laugh, getting them to let me into their groups, making out on occasion, receptive numbers... I trust eventually that I will get to where I need to go. I write down and reflect on every encounter, even if it's just a few words. It seems to me like you are overly fixated on "doing the deed" rather than measuring your s…
/r/seduction28/09/22 05:28 PM
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I think part of the issue is validation. The reason men who "have" to use prostitutes are looked down upon is that they aren't chosen, they just trade their labor for sex with someone who has zero connection to them. I haven't had sex in years and I still wouldn't pay for it.
/r/seduction28/09/22 04:13 PM
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Also what do you consider an abundance of women exactly Abundance of new opportunities. The ability, if you choose, to roll the dice again and again and again on any given day or night. If you fuck up you can try again practically instantly, so why worry about getting blown out in one set?
/r/seduction28/09/22 04:09 PM
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To add to what /u/are_those_real is saying, I think part of building up confidence is focusing on any progress you make and trusting that it will lead you where you want to go. You have to have a little faith that comes from small successes that comes from a constant grind. It took me being broken down by failures many times and starting to find small successes here and there to really develop this mindset: I'm worth something and I know I'm going to succeed but it may take a very long time and …
/r/seduction28/09/22 04:08 PM
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How often are you hitting new events and venues and approaching? It really is a numbers game in terms of finding someone your type who likes you. If I remember right you're a pretty tall guy and probably have a good face, so it's only a matter of time if you're constantly delving.
/r/seduction28/09/22 03:51 PM
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so did they
/r/seduction28/09/22 03:45 PM
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If you drank beer at all that might be part of it
/r/seduction28/09/22 05:49 AM
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Feel like getting a job these days is three things: Have deeply complex stuff your employer is gonna have you use every day pre-built to demonstrate for them, or fully explained in blog-style posts. If you do not have this/cannot do this, you will have to go back to the lab and learn and build and write until this is ready. This can take months to years, depending on your level of education and other commitments. Write cover letters that pertain to each specific bullet point laid out in a job po…
/r/seduction28/09/22 05:46 AM
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Maybe watch some comedians or sitcoms, broaden your sense of humor. I wouldn't tell you to like try to find stuff funny that you don't but you might like more stuff than you might at first realize
/r/seduction27/09/22 06:19 PM
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Cool thanks!
/r/seduction27/09/22 05:36 PM
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live in the suburbs in the middle of nowhere This is step one you need to fix. Logistics especially in your situation will be damn near impossible. And yeah the housing market fucking blows. Ultimately this probably boils down to a career upgrade
/r/seduction27/09/22 05:35 PM
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I guess he means, have a focus in addition to it. Have some goals outside of just trying to get in women's pants. Otherwise you're going to be miserable all of the time. But yeah no substitute for approaching and practicing. It is a grind and you do have to keep on it and recording what happened and bouncing it off the guys, the advice to "just focus on yourself and they will come" is bullshit if your social foundation sucks
/r/seduction27/09/22 05:34 PM
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Go from there Okay. For the pull just like suggest something to watch/do or split a bottle or something?
/r/seduction27/09/22 05:30 PM
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What does this look like in practice? Like, I'm curious what the dialogue looks like here if that makes sense
/r/seduction27/09/22 05:13 PM
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How does someone without this personality develop this personality My first guess was going to be undergo a lot of trauma/therapy and do shrooms or K
/r/seduction27/09/22 05:30 AM
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Dumb or childlike is one thing, nasty and manipulative is another
/r/seduction27/09/22 02:29 AM
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Even if she's a 10/10 doesn't mean she can just be a dick.
/r/seduction27/09/22 01:52 AM
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I'm used to sane takes from you, what the fuck is this
/r/seduction26/09/22 06:50 PM
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What if you get to the show hella early? I feel like that'd be a great time to strike up some conversations, plus you get access to the full table of merch lol.
/r/seduction26/09/22 06:46 PM
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Hey would you mind actually titling your links so we can see whether what we're clicking on is relevant? It's just kind of spammy and possibly self-advertisy otherwise.
/r/seduction26/09/22 06:15 PM
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So he shouldn't care what you've said so far then? Depends on if he wants to take a chance and possibly get laid while also enjoying the time he's spending. No different from you. Sounds like a selfish creepy mentality then, you should care more about how others look at you for approaching them and thus leave them alone and keep things to yourself. It's perfectly reasonable and above board to strike up conversations with people who are not indicating that they want to be left alone. It's even pe…
/r/seduction26/09/22 06:11 PM
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You either keep failing and ruin your confidence Let's dissect your analogy a bit. Say you decide that something really important to you is being good at chess. You go on chess.com and play a hundred games. You lose every game. Nobody has ever given you any advice You have not read any material on the subject You have no support structure You don't make an effort to remember and reflect or get feedback on each game Moreover, the rest of your life sucks, and you took up chess as a distraction fro…
/r/seduction26/09/22 05:24 PM
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Do they come off like they don't really give a fuck in general?
/r/seduction26/09/22 07:38 AM
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If this is still a thing I'd want in. I don't approach as much as I maybe should, but I've finally gotten myself to start really chipping away at AA and I want to have an honest go of it. The lair in the DC area seems to be quite dead though.
/r/seduction26/09/22 04:49 AM
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No matter what intentions OP has, OP will be seen negatively no matter what. Depends on by who and how much he should care about that opinion. I tend to strike a balance with these things that I'm satisfied with and that I think most people I approach might be satisfied with. I want them to feel better for my having approached them. That isn't always the case, but that's the price of learning social skills and the language of flirting. That would make every single piece of advice on this sub alm…
/r/seduction26/09/22 04:38 AM
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It's obviously impossible to articulate all the details of any of these bullet points or everything I've learned from every encounter, most of which I've forgotten by now, in three tweets or less. That said, I don't think oversimplified advice is all bad if it just gets someone moving in the right general direction. You talk about how people can be worse off if they develop bad habits early on, but if anything that underscores to me that feedback after encounters is more important than front-loa…
/r/seduction26/09/22 02:10 AM
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you already stated this My recollection is that I said people might see OP hypothetically going someplace they don't naturally enjoy and then talking to them as creepy or suspicious. Because it wouldn't make sense for you to choose to be in an art gallery if you hate art galleries. They'll still see it in only one light: Creepy guy came here to hit on girls, otherwise he'd be focused on this place instead. Yeah, that's way off the mark. Creepiness is an entirely subjective thing. You'll notice i…
/r/seduction26/09/22 01:53 AM
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This is where it becomes creepy How so? From whose perspective? They met I'm not asking you where they met, I'm asking you how you think they became couples. What was the process? What do you believe keeps them together as couples? Forget about girls, and focus on other things instead. Why? More importantly, why are you in this subreddit if you think pursuing women isn't worth it?
/r/seduction26/09/22 01:23 AM
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Tall gigachads have it on easy mode. It's nothing new. The rest of us have to put in serious work.
/r/seduction26/09/22 01:08 AM
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OP literally spent 3 hours walking around thinking about approaching girls and never doing it. He felt like that time was wasted. I addressed that directly: He can find ways to enjoy that time, be in a better mood, and also approach women he can actually have engaging conversations with. Common interests don't matter? Are you fucking kidding me? How do you think all these cute couples you're glaringly jealous of meet? Do you think they just collide into each other at the pelvis if they're both p…
/r/seduction26/09/22 01:04 AM
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What's the difference? Is the only difference that he planned on talking to girls? It's the difference between the sort of person who walks around with only the intent to talk to girls, and a person who has a life to live but takes opportunities as he sees them while living it. It's the difference between actually liking what you're doing in the museum and just being there to try and chat up artsy girls whose interests don't even align with yours. Personally, I don't have a problem with other gu…
/r/seduction26/09/22 12:17 AM
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Yep, that's why I brought it up to begin with. If you're finding things to do with your time that you can actually absorb yourself a bit in then it isn't solely for the sake of finding girls
/r/seduction26/09/22 12:08 AM
2

What's creepy about looking for new things to do with your day?
/r/seduction25/09/22 11:54 PM
1

Ask yourself which is bigger. I've been living in the same suburban borefest for eight years and THAT is a bigger pain than upending my life and moving somewhere more exciting with literally millions more opportunities.
/r/seduction25/09/22 11:29 PM
2

is that all you have to say?
/r/seduction25/09/22 11:28 PM
1

It sounds like you'd be a lot happier moving back.
/r/seduction25/09/22 11:24 PM
1

post infield of you doing this
/r/seduction25/09/22 10:59 PM
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All I'm saying is, maybe make exploring part of it, trying new shit and just move on to the next thing if it bores you or isn't for you. You're bound to find something that sticks eventually, you live in the most populated city in the us
/r/seduction25/09/22 10:57 PM
2

lol WHAT
/r/seduction25/09/22 10:50 PM
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Rejection is extremely common. "Soft" rejections where they appear to like you and then change their minds feel a lot worse and are also super common. The reason a lot of the guys here say "work on inner game first" is to recognize that these rejections are capricious and aren't a good measure of your worth as a person or potential mate, and even if they are it's not like it's a curse on you that will last for the rest of your life. If you have a bunch of other positive shit going in your life i…
/r/seduction25/09/22 10:48 PM
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You live in a massive city and don't know places to go or things to do? I'd start with maybe just googling galleries, museums, breweries, distilleries, exhibitions, pop-up markets, random hobby names, or even just zooming in and panning around the map til you see something that looks interesting. Hell, if you focus on just exploring new environment and then maybe talking to girls I think you will feel like you're not wasting your time or not having fun.
/r/seduction25/09/22 10:46 PM
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No normal dudes walk around all day hoping to go up to some girl who is alone. You're right. It should be learning to speak your mind at an appropriate time, whenever you feel you have something of value to say while going about your business. To focus on it to the exclusion of other stuff you could be doing is unusual and not something "normal" people could understand to just be grinding out your social skills and learning what's appropriate, what works and what doesn't. But that doesn't make i…
/r/seduction25/09/22 10:35 PM
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Gym every day New approaches whenever possible and journal successes and mistakes Have a life Understand who you are and where you're going and don't back down unless you're wrong
/r/seduction25/09/22 10:24 PM
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MagnatesMedia 3 weeks ago (edited) Hey legends, just wanna clarify something important… This video is NOT trying to say that Tinder as a whole is ‘evil’ or that you should boycott/delete the app. In fact, even though its been a while since I used it, when I did it was a very good experience. top kek
/r/seduction25/09/22 08:44 PM
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My suggestion would be to embellish it then. I once met this dude with like a man bun and a half shaved head, massive braided beard adorned with like viking hair rings and shit, tons of jewelry, tats, like, you don't have to go that hard but it's more about finding a way to be striking with your appearance. That gets attention and is an expression of your eye for composition, it's artistic/creative and if done properly will be sexy to the audience you want
/r/seduction25/09/22 08:39 PM
1

One account per dick?
/r/seduction25/09/22 08:37 PM
1

Touches, strong eye contact, proximity, sexual innuendos and cold reads, being playfully dismissive or disdainful toward the idea of being sexually involved with her (what the oldheads call "sexual barriers"), some combination of these, idk I'm still figuring this shit out lol. I've posted examples of when I got good reception from stuff I've said/done on another account which I can try to dm you if i am able to dig it up
/r/seduction25/09/22 08:36 PM
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Then do that where it's acceptable or expected, like metal shows. Get there early and go with friends
/r/seduction25/09/22 08:29 PM
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"It's true, one time I was taking a nap at the bowling alley and someone tried to pick up my head" "It's not all bad, my friends never have trouble finding me in a crowd on a sunny day"
/r/seduction25/09/22 06:52 PM
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cringe drives engagement, who'd have thought
/r/seduction25/09/22 05:04 PM
1

What a gross misrepresentation of what I said.
/r/seduction25/09/22 05:18 AM
2

I'm fine with being unsuccessful and in the minority if it means I live in accordance with my values.
/r/seduction24/09/22 09:21 PM
3

it's the look on your face when you're giving your buds some shit
/r/seduction24/09/22 09:11 PM
1

If normal people look at Meta and TikTok the companies (or don't think about them at all) and think, "this is something I want to use without reservations", then normal people can fuck off.
/r/seduction24/09/22 09:08 PM
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If your goal is to attract women that don't want to show you off or judge you based on a superficial fake-perfect selection of things you choose to put forward, wouldn't it make sense to avoid it?
/r/seduction24/09/22 08:53 PM
3

any turn of phrase i'm not familiar with is incel garbage
/r/seduction24/09/22 08:51 PM
1

This just seems like Tinder writ large. Any schmuck can produce content by going out and taking pictures, but then all that being equal it's just face game and my face and build aren't worth showing off. If I have to do squats and cram 5 protein shakes a day to get laid, I might as well jump a bridge right now.
/r/seduction24/09/22 08:48 PM
1

How so?
/r/seduction24/09/22 08:47 PM
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It’s more in how you say things than what you are saying. I see this a lot, but if your brain is as weirdly wired as mine then you do have to filter and make sure what you're saying makes sense and isn't a total dick thing to say. Even if you're doing The Fuckboy Smirk it's not always obvious that you're being tongue in cheek
/r/seduction24/09/22 03:39 PM
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Remember that these are patterns, not lines. It's how you use and deliver the patterns that demonstrates your personality and way of thinking. This isn't just useful for trying to cold approach women, but literally anyone you want. your x reminds me of y height/build, Jiren Literally used this to talk to a six foot bodybuilder and he was the right kind of nerd to appreciate it you look like x because of y you could be in a warby parker commercial, glasses this one worked really well with a mixed…
/r/seduction24/09/22 03:36 PM
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every time i wax verbose or keen it just blows up in my face. i'm not looking for lines so much as the right vibe since text conversations never work in my favor
/r/seduction20/09/22 06:59 PM
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You are married. From where I am standing, it takes a monumental effort to even be noticed by who I desire. Other men have literally captured the attention of women that I attempt to talk to. I see that these "men who are just living their lives" and winding up with beautiful women are more handsome, taller, with better jobs and more interesting hobbies and funnier, wittier personalities. You speak of standards, these men define the standards, they raise them by merely existing. It IS a competit…
/r/seduction20/09/22 06:56 PM
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Surely there is a difference between "I am psychologically leveraging this other person I'm not genuinely interested in to get into your pants" versus "I'm able to demonstrate my wit and talent in ways that weren't immediately obvious to increase my attractiveness". Or: "I'm smarter than I look" versus "I'm going to prey on your insecurities to achieve success"
/r/seduction20/09/22 06:10 PM
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You don't feel you compete, but you did and you do. It happens that you were both up to one anothers' desires and expectations, and perhaps you didn't have to try all that hard to meet them, so you never felt that you were competing -- when surely other men did, and do, attempt to get her attention. The difference is the perception. If you were to wake up a completely different person tomorrow, how would your wife feel about that person? It seems to me that from your position of ease you are dis…
/r/seduction20/09/22 06:07 PM
2

could you show us examples of this
/r/seduction20/09/22 05:58 PM
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You had no chance with the girls that those guys were sleeping with lol Honestly, I don't think it really takes that much if you look around and are a fun and genuine guy to talk to. They're uncommon sure but there are lots of seriously pretty girls who will give average dudes like me the time of day if they aren't clowning The problem is that I do and self-sabotage 99% of my sets, but nothing worth having cums easy, right?
/r/seduction20/09/22 05:31 PM
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So let’s say you “win” the competition: is that it? You got the girl so now you don’t have to compete anymore? What will happen to your motivation when you don’t have to “compete” anymore? If you base your drive on that, what will you revert to when it’s gone? That's just it. It never, ever stops. She is always going to be seen and desired by other men. So the question becomes, are you okay with that? Am I? Do I really want to be doing squats three times a week for the rest of my life? Do I real…
/r/seduction20/09/22 05:29 PM
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It's not that you "win a person" precisely, it's that you (rather, the you that she is able to see) are a better match for her desires than other men. Thus wittingly or not you are competing for her time or attention with anyone she happens to come across.
/r/seduction20/09/22 05:26 PM
1

how do you get more money without feeling like shit about throwing 6+ hours of your life at something you hate everyday
/r/seduction20/09/22 05:23 PM
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I have a woman friend whom I'm not attracted to that I feel like it might be callous of me to ask for help since she's told me before that she was interested at one point. Not sure how to feel about it tbh
/r/seduction20/09/22 01:51 AM
1

Why not think of it as just an interesting form of fiction and a way of cold reading people?
/r/seduction19/09/22 07:57 PM
2

is your face busted
/r/seduction18/09/22 09:56 PM
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Better than you found them!
/r/seduction04/09/22 04:54 PM
1

to add to what competitionfair says, if you're anything like me you were probably conditioned to be terrified of rejection following expression of your feelings so please understand that expressing these feelings is valuable to the right person if a 10/10 came up to you right now and said wow, damn, you're looking fine as hell, you'd appreciate it Your co worker is making time to spend time with you. She likes something about you. tell her how you feel about the effort she put into looking good …
/r/seduction02/09/22 08:24 AM
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You can have any number of reasons, but at some point you've just got to will yourself to do it.
/r/seduction02/09/22 08:13 AM
1

I approach in bars and am constantly thinking of everything happening around me, of what she might think of what I have to say, of if the situation is right for me to approach. It doesn't go away. You are built differently from me.
/r/seduction02/09/22 08:03 AM
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re: analogy The thing is, we don't get approached at all unless we're in the top one percent of the one percent. Any reasonably attractive woman gets approached literally all the time. That shit has to be exhausting, right? re: girls want... The thing is, I know I'm modestly physically attractive and I have a very noticeable skill in the environments I choose, but my social skills have not improved much despite over a decade of trying to put myself out there. My brain just isn't wired to give pe…
/r/seduction02/09/22 08:00 AM
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News flash: Everything new you do is "fake" until you absorb it Wearing clothing and speaking english didn't come naturally to you. Style is a skill just like seduction and requires experience and experimentation to learn to do well Every time you see someone attempt something and they suck at it, there will be some people that will never be good or great, but there might be one in ten that will get better every time they go up. Ask me that's something to encourage
/r/seduction02/09/22 06:01 AM
1

How much is excuse, how much is respect? How would you feel if a salesman approached you? It would depend on his spiel, it would depend on what mood you're in. It's the same reason why you could approach a girl reading with headphones in, but why some would consider you rude/creepy/intrusive for doing so unless for some reason you were exactly her type or knew exactly the ideas and feelings you needed to evoke to transfix her specifically. There's a level of consent being violated there, and no,…
/r/seduction02/09/22 05:57 AM
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I don’t see any way that the root cause actually matters. Finding out your own way to overcome is what matters. True, different approaches work for different people, and without following actual cohorts in response to different treatments it's impossible to tell with confidence what would work for who. You could say the same of this entire forum, it's all anecdotal. That said, we're trying to figure out principles that could apply to large swaths of the population; I dare say this isn't unreason…
/r/seduction02/09/22 05:42 AM
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fuck them
/r/seduction31/08/22 05:47 PM
2

I do this and the newer the girl is to me the higher the chance is that it's something weird and totally uncalibrated or safe and boring
/r/seduction29/08/22 06:08 PM
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So you have lots of experience and stories to tell. I agree with the guy saying get into classes with girls, just fuck around and have fun with them if you can. If you can't, well, at least make sure it's an activity you'd have fun doing for three months!
/r/seduction29/08/22 03:09 AM
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People who go into new situations tend to be open to meeting new people, and the ones who are not are not usually worth your time anyway
/r/seduction29/08/22 03:01 AM
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that's sort of true but also not, some women will subconsciously categorize you as one of an infinite sea of men she could go back to choosing from if you're not up to her standards, while if it is some kind of crazy spontaneous thing that she met you through or an obvious ballsy approach this is much less likely
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:59 PM
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saying anything to keep the conversation going Usually this is the part where I blurt something weird to fill the silence and eat shit, or I ask questions that bore her and she starts to shut me out with body language
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:57 PM
2

shrooms fine if he find girls at music festival
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:45 PM
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Snapchat is completely noncomittal and won't get you anywhere unless it's obvious shes hella interested in you or you're already having sex I fucking hate Meta the company and so I don't yet have an insta but if you have one of those consider making it look valuable as fuck and asking girls to exchange info on there
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:42 PM
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The best thing is to master your anxiety and be honest about it; the first girl I slept with didn't care. It's okay to be up front and manage her expectations by sharing this, if it makes a difference to her enough that it matters then it is probably better that you don't get involved with her
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:40 PM
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You're very right! I have a plan, but whether I choose the nomadic option which I currently have invested a lot of money or the move every few months plan there is a lot of time that must pass first before I can do it and that kinda sucks. In the meanwhile I suppose the best I can do is continue going to the same places and trying to approach All that being said, suppose I were in a new place. How do I find out about these social activities and how to get to them? Once I am squarely situated in …
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:29 PM
3

It's been literal years since I've gotten laid. What would you say were the biggest obstacles you had to overcome to get to where you are now, at least in terms of mindset or lifestyle?
/r/seduction28/08/22 08:22 PM
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How do you even find out about these things? Meetup has mostly all been older townie folks where I live. I think nearly all my problems would be solved by just moving somewhere more populous, fun, and younger, but there are so many potential places that I have no idea which to pick if I have to commit. I don't have many years before I hit the bad 4-0, so I don't want to play the lease-a-few-months-and-hate-it game.
/r/seduction28/08/22 07:23 AM
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Incel shit comes from pain and frustration. And while it's very destructive applied at the level of women generally, he's not wrong that this behavior is pervasive at some level and extremely shitty. "I'm not feeling it?" Fantastic, you communicated! Blocking? Great, at least you're not wasting someone's time. Even ghosting, for being a shitty lead-on behavior, is communicating disinterest without making you waste time and money planning, preparing, and going out. Standing someone up though -- t…
/r/seduction28/08/22 03:58 AM
1

the world is dying and I can't as an individual possibly reasonably do anything about it without sacrificing years or possibly decades of my time for little pay and recognition with almost no chance of any material success how can someone live authentically, congruently like that
/r/seduction28/08/22 01:00 AM
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I trained myself to be more observant and genuinely curious. I notice things about their clothes, their behavior, their possessions, their likeness to someone or something. Or about the situation or environment we are both in. These are excellent conversation starters and continuers. It is okay to back out whenever you run out of things to say and come back later so long as you don't think you're getting overtly negative vibes. Sometimes you will see absolutely gorgeous women whose only outstand…
/r/seduction13/08/22 08:18 PM
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I was like you once. I would not approach a single woman regardless of where I went, particularly when my friends were present. I eventually learned that there are any number of reasons you might like to talk to people, not just women. And looking back, the reason I was scared to talk to women is the same reason I never talked much to guys; I just didn't have much to say, and I was afraid to be bad at it. The idea of acclimation, starting with people you're very not attracted to, learning to be …
/r/seduction13/08/22 08:26 AM
1

an elephant's faithful, a hundred percent
/r/seduction30/06/22 10:40 PM
2

learning how to communicate better online besides just not being verbose, how do you do this? any general guidelines? all my shit turns into flakes
/r/seduction30/06/22 05:38 AM
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He hit that BTS niche
/r/seduction30/06/22 05:36 AM
4

there are plenty of green lights that turn red and plenty of yellow lights that turn green. there are very few red lights that turn green
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:06 AM
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Hey, I love how often you're putting this stuff out there for other guys. Would you consider putting some more details into how you use some of these techniques, e.g. "push pull open", "cold read"? Like, for the second for example I could ask if she's coming over from Tim Horton's but I'd rather hear from a guy who actually has some success! Also, when you say "lead." That doesn't just mean escalation, it means moving the interaction toward the next topic/location/activity yeah? Like, "do you da…
/r/seduction29/06/22 12:54 AM
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I've seen this point of view a few times before and I never get it. Like, sure, presumably a guy could be so thirsty that he'd try and manipulate his way into a specific girl's pants over the course of five years, BUT it's much more likely he was always attracted but either didn't know how to express it or didn't have the courage, and still valued the woman's company. Acting like this is some huge betrayal and that there was never any real value placed on her as a person is so socially unaware t…
/r/seduction28/06/22 09:44 PM
1

Usually in this case it just means you know how to carry and lead a conversation, you don't really care about mistakes you just keep going like nothing happened
/r/seduction27/06/22 11:09 PM
1

I'm not the one to ask, I've not pulled once lmao
/r/seduction27/06/22 11:05 PM
1

you and i are in the same boat the thing is that you will see yourself this way as long as you are stretching yourself too thin thinking about "approach! show interest!" etc take some time for tlc, go hang out with friends in places there are no approach opportunities pet some cats or dogs or whatever touch some grass cure the depression before getting back on the sarge and remember that it's all shallow shit. women will drop you at the slightest hint of awkwardness but this doesn't mean you're …
/r/seduction26/06/22 09:10 PM
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inhales outdoor hobbies hiking climbing swimming rafting kayaking parasailing surfing travel artsy/creative reading/writing painting drawing sculpting pastels acrylic pours resin crafting leatherworking photography 3d modeling video editing dancy salsa bacchata ballroom hiphop where's the lamb sauce cooking alcohols tasting - whiskeys, wines, beers restaurant tourism/"taste of <city>"/food walks saw con anime/vidya/show/comic conventions viking/ren fests fitness dick coed sports lifting ...cross…
/r/seduction26/06/22 08:59 PM
2

I usually hit the city on weekend nights but I'm getting more familiar with it If you're a singer or like watching them, Recessions (a couple blocks south of Dupont) or Rock It Grille (Alexandria) any day of the weekend or Madam's Organ on Sundays/Thursdays. All of Adams Morgan has a decent scene. Dupont Circle is that on steroids and the entire street is a cordoned off mad house on weekends. Low key stuff to start off or cool down near/in Dupont: Arnold's on Jefferson for Belgian fans, best fri…
/r/seduction26/06/22 08:50 PM
1

Why would I want to be friends with her? Because women are people and people can have common interests or complementing personalities. Also, they might know other women or open your life up to other opportunities. I certainly get the feeling of "I have enough friends, I just want to get laid" but definitely don't rob yourself by feeling like the alternative is worthless.
/r/seduction24/06/22 08:01 PM
1

lactose intolerant or dairy allergy
/r/seduction24/06/22 07:55 PM
1

Fucklessness.
/r/seduction24/06/22 07:49 PM
1

Well, I can't claim to have success, but I have noticed that there are pros and cons to going out with friends. You're right that your attention is focused on your own group and friends when you go out with them, which detracts from your ability to approach at times. On the other hand, I have definitely felt the difference in my mood when I have support to fall back on and when people can see that I'm not just going to places alone. So maybe the answer is to do both solo and group outings, or to…
/r/seduction24/06/22 07:37 PM
1

I even hired a therapist who's not really much of a help tbh. Are they giving you actual exercises to do or just a listening ear?
/r/seduction24/06/22 06:52 PM
1

It’s really about how you connect with them Could I trouble you to describe your interactions? Shit if this were a bar I'd buy you a beer to explain it to me.
/r/seduction23/06/22 05:05 AM
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Correct, although "career" was the word specifically chosen here. I certainly get what you mean though, I've found that my passions lie entirely outside of any traditional work I'm qualified to do and that pursuing this makes me feel much less anxious and unable to justify how I live
/r/seduction22/06/22 07:54 PM
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You are unusually privileged in that you love your job and find meaning in it.
/r/seduction22/06/22 07:52 PM
1

Focus on your career and you will find that talking/seducing others will come more naturally. If you're in sales, maybe, unless you happen to know women who get weak at the knees when you drone on and on about optimizing SQL queries
/r/seduction22/06/22 07:51 PM
3

"Filler words" are conversation and mood killers. This is because they are either boring or approval seeking or both; they are used to fill silences. What do I mean by that? I mean saying polite (she is wearing x, you say "x suits you") or excessive "active listening" phrases that rephrase what you were told but that themselves contribute nothing to the conversation. In my experience nothing has dried up my sets faster than this.
/r/seduction21/06/22 09:53 PM
1

Thanks.
/r/seduction21/06/22 04:42 AM
1

What would you say is most important to ask from your therapist? And do you do CBT, DBT, or both?
/r/seduction21/06/22 01:58 AM
4

complaining on reddit
/r/seduction21/06/22 01:32 AM
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The problem is framing your approaches and the time spent on them as solely for the purpose of getting sex. Every person you meet might have some useful knowledge or connections - or they're just fun to have spent time with. At the very least, you learn who was worth spending your approach on and who wasn't. Your social skills and emotional fortitude get ever so slightly better with every rejection, and you learn to derive enjoyment simply from interacting with random people. It is much more so …
/r/seduction21/06/22 01:26 AM
1

Other days, I get all kinds of signals and I just look away. fuck signals dude these girls dont know you just say something if you have something to say
/r/seduction21/06/22 01:18 AM
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The thing is, these standards are not all that crazy if you get off the apps. I'd be having an amazing time these past few months if I just got my head screwed on straight and learned how to talk/isolate/escalate properly
/r/seduction19/06/22 08:30 PM
1

What is your favorite guide to meditation? How did it change your behaviors in terms of how you socialized with women?
/r/seduction19/06/22 08:13 PM
1

Couldn't this be seen another way, like she's yellow lighting him and wants to vet his socials before she comes out again/commits to a number. I don't doubt there are plenty of women just addicted to getting their follower counts up but she stuck her lips on his face so there's something there right?
/r/seduction19/06/22 07:39 PM
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No technique in the world is going to turn this into something people can laugh about. the van by the river joke wasn't funny but the delivery was hilarious obviously not everyone is going to agree but that's kind of what this is right
/r/seduction19/06/22 11:10 AM
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whoops
/r/seduction19/06/22 11:07 AM
1

You’re also making girls a main priority of your life. I'll be honest, this is all I want outside of the other thing I'm working toward, and even then I feel that wouldn't interest me for long without feeling like I'm actually a desirable human being with people I desire. I'm keenly aware I need therapy but I haven't been able to secure appointments lately and I'm not sure the sessions I've been having are doing much.
/r/seduction19/06/22 09:37 AM
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Of course. The thing is that I have sufficient "pull" to get in. I don't have the social skills to stay in. Those things you list might increase their patience for mistakes, but ultimately if you have negative game like I do you lose.
/r/seduction19/06/22 12:59 AM
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No, I'm arguing that those things almost certainly aren't the root of my problem, nor is addressing them going to fix someone with broken/underdeveloped social skills/emotional response to women. I know this because I am living it. Would being more physically massive have saved my set last night? Would living in the city? Absolutely not. What I needed was to remain calm and lean out, but I didn't do that because I'm so hard up right now.
/r/seduction19/06/22 12:54 AM
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How are you so sure that it will not be solved? Are any of those three things in order? They are merely adequate. Nevertheless I am sure that this is not the source of my problem because they are not the causes of my anxiety. As I told someone else, if I were to weigh twice as much in pure muscle or earn triple my salary, it would not solve this problem; completely repairing a house outside of its pipes will do nothing to fix a plumbing issue. I realize a full blown anxiety disorder is quite dif…
/r/seduction19/06/22 12:19 AM
1

The source is all of the rejection by women I've experienced after a degree of success. Internally, I am convinced that 90+% of the positive experiences I draw toward me will slip through my fingers. This will not be solved by attacking any of those categories you listed. The fear and social skills themselves have to somehow be addressed.
/r/seduction18/06/22 10:49 PM
2

Could you explain what you mean by "focus on yourself"? My chief problem is ingrained anxiety and trauma, I don't know what else I'd have to work on to solve that.
/r/seduction18/06/22 09:02 PM
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I actually have some very deep regrets from being rejected. It isn't stopping me from putting in the work and approaching, but I tell you, it hurts, it hurts real bad. It makes me feel worthless, it makes me want to literally drive my car into a tree out of frustration. Now you might ask, why do you give a fuck what some strangers think of you? It's a consistent pattern. The thing is, a lot of women get a great initial impression of me. My rejections are rarely "excuse me fuck off" on approach, …
/r/seduction18/06/22 05:34 PM
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Does the "technique" to delete and recreate your profile work? I would assume not since it would be trivial to reidentify individual by device/ip/location etc.
/r/seduction18/06/22 05:17 PM
0

May I DM you?
/r/seduction18/06/22 05:06 PM
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I'm open to hearing what you mean, it's just that every other iteration of "work on yourself and the rest will come" seems to equate to "fuck bitches get money" and I'm sick of seeing it. I apologize for being contentious.
/r/seduction18/06/22 05:01 PM
1

I literally can't fake it. I feel like dogshit after so many rejections, after so many times starting out great and getting more and more nervous due to those previous rejections that I just end up throwing them away. I feel like the only reason I'm failing is that I've failed so much before and I can't bullshit my way into convincing people I haven't/that it doesn't affect me. I'm too thirsty to drink.
/r/seduction18/06/22 07:50 AM
0

You're correct, of course. But I really, really fucking hate that this is how it works.
/r/seduction18/06/22 07:16 AM
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What I think is happening to you is what's happened to me. You have habituated an anxiety response to socializing with women. This causes your brain to go into overdrive looking for things to address the cause of the anxiety. You blank. You blurt. You do something, anything to fill the silence and bring back a feeling of comfort and certainty. Naturally, this makes you behave creepy as fuck; stilted, approval-seeking, uncalibrated. And because it ruins the set and makes you feel like shit, it re…
/r/seduction18/06/22 07:06 AM
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Listen, if I were to triple my salary and gain 3x the muscle overnight, nothing would change. Why? Because I never had enough practice talking to people. Because I have destroyed too many relationships and would-be relationships to speak normally to others. Because nothing about flirting and relations with the opposite sex comes natural or normal to me. Becoming this vaunted guy who is supposedly secure in his shit and has some kind of purpose isn't going to change any of that. It isn't going to…
/r/seduction18/06/22 06:58 AM
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That doesn't make sense, you think people just magic social skills out of thin air? You don't need to same skill set to land and do a job and buy a house that you do to find partners.
/r/seduction18/06/22 06:48 AM
9

Socialize with anyone, not just hot chicks. That social proof, that's energy from someone friendly, it only really helps you
/r/seduction17/06/22 10:53 PM
3

No, cause girls are human beings who don't want to, nor should they, deal with you interpersonally broken bullshit self. Everyone got problems cuh plenty of them still getting laid. It's about getting out there and learning to flirt/reciprocate/escalate when you find the ones attracted to you, that's what this sub supposed to be about
/r/seduction17/06/22 10:50 PM
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After you do this a couple of times and you build confidence, the rest will come to you Why do we have this sub if the "rest will just come to you?" Flirting and escalation are not the same as the social skills you use with guys.
/r/seduction17/06/22 10:12 PM
1

Time to move.
/r/seduction17/06/22 10:02 PM
1

Sure, I think we all have preferences on what kind of body type we like dating. But do you have an exact quantitative cutoff for what a girl's weight is? That's a little weird and reductive, isn't it? Granted I don't care whether the girl is respectable, since I'm not trying to wife her up or whatever
/r/seduction17/06/22 05:09 PM
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Find a big ass list of hobbies and pick three to do each week. Doesn't matter what they are, just do them til something sticks, and always be trying new ones. Glassblowing, swimming, deep sea cave hang gliding karate, doesn't matter. Going to places weekly and eventually finding people who catch your eye will be how you build your social circle Find music or shows you like going to, and show up early (like ~30 minutes+) to talk to people about them or about their clothes or whatever Learn to be …
/r/seduction17/06/22 08:08 AM
1

What foods did you add to your diet to stop being a scrawny little shit? Bonus points if they don't contain meat or dairy
/r/seduction17/06/22 07:39 AM
2

Focus on what they say and what it means, not how they look Even if that's really, really hard Unless you're in a club or bar where you can't hear shit, then i don't know what to do lol
/r/seduction17/06/22 07:36 AM
2

I'm pretty sure Sting wrote a song about this
/r/seduction17/06/22 07:32 AM
3

why not just say x number of inches when i lay on my back because any other dimension doesn't matter
/r/seduction17/06/22 07:24 AM
3

I find myself exhausted when I create positive expectations and they are disappointed. I realize it is quite different to "expect" something from her versus "visualize" a thing designed for the purpose of engaging your own behavior, though is there a way to decouple your emotional response from how she actually ends up behaving? In other words, how do you not feel invested when you practice this exercise?
/r/seduction17/06/22 07:17 AM
1

guilty as charged, i hold frames about as well as a parkinsons patient
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:25 AM
9

You're wiring in series not parallel so there is no risk of overload
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:09 AM
1

It's a trap!
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:08 AM
1

Maybe he can tell his friends specifically not to mention what he does for a living, or at least to not imply that it makes a lot of money
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:06 AM
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I've been trained to see a lot of it as dry sarcasm
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:02 AM
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Yes, but you can't just assume those things before the individuals even get to know each other. That's my point.
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:49 PM
2

they can provide woman some on the edge / exciting emotions that a lot of woman crave Cyndi Lauper explained it forty years ago
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:47 PM
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You can't argue it's less interesting, though
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:43 PM
4

I think the common denominator here is that y'all are dating some crazy ass women.
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:42 PM
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Your idea is predicated on there being an inherent compatibility between two sight-unseen/unknown people, or, perhaps, made on the judgment of a matchmaker, who for any experience they have cannot deeply determine the chemistries, faults, and incompatibilities of the two to be wed. If love is the plant, then risky is such a soil for its cultivation.
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:29 PM
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For complaints like these I guarantee you there are posts by women complaining about how many men they've had dogshit experiences with. Honestly I think the solution is to just keep farming til you find someone who doesn't do the shit you can't stand, same as it ever was, since women with particularly high abundance essentially have to do the same thing
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:26 PM
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Why? It seems like you have a preconception of what people are meant to do.
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:24 PM
1

Good luck cultivating in barren soil
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:23 PM
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And what's really interesting is how your life, otherwise, objectively, is "okay." Like, no major problems, on top of your shit, not in debt, etc. But just the scarcity of something you feel powerless to obtain but desire deeply removes all the color
/r/seduction16/06/22 05:05 PM
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And what if nobody you ever meet introduces you to any women lol I'd rather grab life by the horns even though it means getting gored ten thousand times
/r/seduction16/06/22 07:54 AM
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what is this bullshit? for me personally, I've come to the conclusion that i am unable to like myself, so the next best thing I can do is numb myself to others' opinions of me by simply approaching and interacting to the point that they no longer matter. this might sound ironic because i arrived here through rejections, criticisms, taunts, or belittlements by others, but all of these happened in environments without an abundance of opportunity or alternative, particularly given my shyness at the…
/r/seduction16/06/22 07:44 AM
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You have potential my guy. Starts with fitness and dressing a bit more exciting or textured, maybe a sharper haircut. Search up 2022 outfits or haircuts for white guys and find one that speaks to you. After all the shit people have given you it will be hard to accept that you might actually be good looking, particularly if you start to find a fitness routine or personal style that works for you. Join the club, we're all traumatized in here. But relax, too, because you definitely are not a hopele…
/r/seduction16/06/22 07:22 AM
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I don't do it either, but the few times I have, it's because I could find a solid opener that isn't "hi, i'm x. you're attractive. what's your name?" or "i kNoW tHiS iS raNDoM bUt". Interesting tats, earrings, clothes, behaviors, curiosity about the current situation, funny comparisons between the woman or her friend group and stuff you might all be familiar with, etc. I'm the king of opening and the pauper of closing. Also right there with you, this sub needs more guys actually getting on the f…
/r/seduction16/06/22 07:17 AM
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Pussied out because I wasn't brave enough to interrupt someone on the phone. I want to nip this in the bud. It's okay to respect boundaries. You are not some pussy beta bitch just because you do. There are billions of women out there. You're probably not going to miss out on your soul mate because you didn't interrupt her on the phone.
/r/seduction16/06/22 07:11 AM
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Okay, and you probably do so as a result of fucking up a million times and making a lot of avoidable mistakes, yeah?
/r/seduction16/06/22 06:50 AM
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I think it's fine if she has an exit, if she's still serving your table you're asking for trouble
/r/seduction15/06/22 08:29 PM
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You must learn to see the vast majority of relationships where you are not continually exposed to a person as ephemeral, and most rejections as a personal yet very imperfect and shallow judgment, to which you will become accustomed and numbed once you have done it many times and realize it has not destroyed you or stopped your ability to pursue other things in your life you deem worthy
/r/seduction15/06/22 05:54 PM
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I took a quick peek at your post history since I like to make sure I'm not dealing with terminal inceldom and it seems like you got at least something going for you Just don't be that guy and rationalize like "oh she's drunk and that's the only reason she was interested" I'd be happy to peep your pic, you might try /r/truerateme or /r/amiugly, but don't lean too hard on advice from internet strangers, it isn't as objective as you might like to think
/r/seduction15/06/22 05:47 PM
4

Go to learn, not to pick up women. You won't learn what you need to learn in one night, you will need to be constantly on it and recording that shit in your mind or on paper
/r/seduction15/06/22 05:39 PM
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simply treating women with respect and socializing with women as friends is all that is necessary to find many good connections. My own experience is that I have crap results with "dating" top kek
/r/seduction15/06/22 05:33 PM
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This is just silly. I meet women from all walks of life and there is a lot more depth to them than "gym + make-up". In loud meat markets like the club looks are obviously the main thing, but if you're on a date with someone nearly all of the things you listed for men matter for women too outside of status + money needed for self sufficiency
/r/seduction15/06/22 05:22 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean, like, I'm not going to put in effort, or it has to be your specific way?
/r/seduction15/06/22 05:09 PM
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my life's passing me by dude i gotta put some pressure or that's it
/r/seduction15/06/22 04:33 PM
1

You got that high status "oh yeah well what else you got going on" attitude If I were in your position I guess I'd make an effort to only flirt after you identify to you both what it is you like about her as a person
/r/seduction15/06/22 04:32 PM
1

own yourself man i don't know what that means
/r/seduction15/06/22 04:28 PM
1

So the reason this is labeled week 5 is that ive very much been on the grind. Most of my excursions follow this formula pretty closely minus the late long naps/caffeine and more aggressive intent. Lot of my sleep issues stem from late meals/naps/alcohol/gaming binges and skinny man apnea so I will have to decline this give me a man after midnight One of the previous weeks was actually kind of like this - i did my usual haunt, then said fuck it and went to the club part of town after midnight. Gi…
/r/seduction15/06/22 04:26 PM
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lol no dude. i have lived this shit too long. behavior matters a whole lot. status/image matter a whole lot. i've seen some of what draws in and way too much of what repels. i've seen busted/average dudes punching above their weight. yeah looks matter a lot but you can still torpedo your own shit even if shes obviously attracted. the other side of that coin is that even average dudes can absolutely slay if they can project a cool amazing life and chill/bold/sexy personality, look at neil strauss…
/r/seduction15/06/22 04:11 PM
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work work work spend spend spend it's totally for you and not for the guy who talks about his fiftieth yacht at davos and still hasn't filled the yawning chasm in his soul
/r/seduction15/06/22 03:53 PM
11

i'm not impressive to myself or special, there are millions of guys better than me. i can only try to be good
/r/seduction15/06/22 03:50 PM
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People say this a lot, but to tell you the truth if I didn't have a sex drive I'd probably remain a game addicted basement dwelling Gollum that wears oversized tshirts lmao. Most shit just didn't interest me until I was well invested or good at it and even then I can't say I'm a big fan of working out apart from the results
/r/seduction15/06/22 03:48 PM
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To me confidence has requires a sense that I am competent in the context in which I'm performing, and I simply cannot have that without learning and without numbing myself to rejection with ceaseless exposure. Maybe I'm just weird like that.
/r/seduction15/06/22 03:38 PM
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You're right, of course, this is just something I've never managed to nail down. I shouldn't let it make me feel like shit, but it typically does, I couldn't tell you why. Have you ever been so frustrated with not being able to bring something into your life? A prestigious job, maybe, or hitting your ceiling at the gym?
/r/seduction15/06/22 03:16 PM
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Sexual exploration is available at any age and, as a man, likely with women much younger than you. The hard part is not overcoming the age gap and making up for lost time but the deficiencies in the social, personal, or even just luck based aspects of your life that prevented the early exploration and that may prevent it now
/r/seduction15/06/22 08:03 AM
11

Wear a suit? The fuck?
/r/seduction15/06/22 07:59 AM
2

Medieval swordsmen had manuals for a reason. Drills are critical, but how can you drill if you don't even know what techniques have already been tried? You are reinventing the wheel in its entirety.
/r/seduction15/06/22 07:55 AM
2

Game > Money And or he's old as shit lol
/r/seduction15/06/22 07:44 AM
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confidence comes with success, success comes with practice, practice comes with discipline, discipline comes with passion
/r/seduction15/06/22 07:36 AM
2

Not this one! Eyyyy!
/r/seduction31/05/22 07:39 AM
1

Go after someone who values that quality in a person. crickets
/r/seduction31/05/22 07:26 AM
1

I wouldn't say that. I think they lose interest if you be thirsting hard or take rejection badly instead of focusing mostly on having fun.
/r/seduction29/05/22 02:42 AM
9

I've seen dudes wreck their own shit because their personality was so terrible that women were like "I wish he would just shut up and be pretty" because not having a personality was preferable to his. This hurt on an existential level
/r/seduction03/05/22 12:41 AM
1

I see. I would be interested to see if any of these drugs are applicable to more generalized anxiety that causes "blurting" or an inability to properly socialize where this ability is otherwise present in more comfortable environments. If such anxiety rather than RSD is an issue you have I might actually follow up with a provider and tell you more about it if you're interested.
/r/seduction01/05/22 08:56 AM
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what colours of clothes do you mainly use? Burgundy is the gateway drug into actually learning how to use color And this is the gateway drug into learning what your clothes actually do Before burgundy, you have a sense of "complement" but not "contrast" outside of black and white With solids over patterns, or patterns against solids, you get a sense of contrast. You start to understand the size and loudness of what you wear and how to mute or amplify it. You start to wear different things that c…
/r/seduction01/05/22 08:50 AM
1

Do you have ADHD? Consider this article and discuss it with a professional.
/r/seduction01/05/22 08:39 AM
2

If game is irrelevant, how do I consistently throw my interactions with initially interested women?
/r/seduction01/05/22 08:18 AM
2

Sex does not determine value, obtaining sex does not determine value Yet the inability to obtain sex clearly indicates a lack of certain forms of value. What is value, after all, but the subjective contextual weight we give to a thing? I have come to care about this above most everything else because I cannot seem to fix it or reach any consistent understanding of it. Guys here have argued that the only way to fix it is to focus entirely on something else, yet this did not work for me either. An…
/r/seduction01/05/22 08:05 AM
2

It's purely egotism and a badge of status among men. Egotism I'll grant -- If I'm unacceptable, then am I worth anything? But a badge of status among men not really. I could not care less about their opinions except how I could learn from them.
/r/seduction30/04/22 05:09 PM
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Seduction is for learning what to do/not do when you're first meeting a woman based on your sexual intentions: Flirting skills and building a masculine aura. Unlearning unsexy habits and learning sexy ones. Dating_advice is for learning what to do/not do when you're thinking about being with her for longer than a night: Relationship skills and learning how to be a good partner. At least, ideally that is what I would aim to learn from these communities, for all their problems.
/r/seduction26/04/22 07:00 AM
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Pikachu I actually have a related I-met-this-girl-at-the-bar true story you would never believe, the difference is that it ended with me going full sperg and getting flatly rejected. You'd be amazed at what is actually possible.
/r/seduction26/04/22 06:40 AM
16

We can see that.
/r/seduction26/04/22 04:12 AM
2

what the fuck are you talking about, lol
/r/seduction03/04/22 01:49 PM
15

Will posting my stuff show the same results as my friend ? Your network is small, you may not have the content that will have the effect you hope it will have, and your looks are obviously different from your friend. That's not to discourage you, but it's a complete unknown until we actually know what you'd be working with.
/r/seduction30/03/22 02:03 AM
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Well, it's more that allowing my behavior to change in the past when someone liked the way I'd been behaving prior to that change had screwed me hard. I'm just trying to avoid someone else making the same mistake I did
/r/seduction29/03/22 08:14 PM
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Some days though it's just hard to even get out of bed Right there with you. If you have any sleep inconsistencies or apnea issues, I'd recommend starting with scheduling a doctor's consultation on a good day, same with therapy if you have any access to it.
/r/seduction29/03/22 07:27 PM
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don't shit where you eat especially when she doesn't have a good exit.
/r/seduction29/03/22 07:22 PM
2

On the flip side, how do you fight back against this kind of behavior? Just lean way into it?
/r/seduction29/03/22 07:18 PM
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Hey. So, today's my birthday. I'm 33. Although a lot of people think of that as young, I feel that very much weighing on me and part of me feels like time is now against me. I haven't had sex in nearly three years. A good part of that is by choice with women I'm not so interested in, but a lot of it is screwing up with women that have been at various stages of interest in me. I slog through it. The days when there is radio silence, or worse, when there appears to be some interest only followed b…
/r/seduction29/03/22 07:15 PM
15

How do your proceed so that she doesnt change her mind and you get closer By changing nothing about what you've been doing. If you do anything differently in hopes of not fucking up, you will probably fuck up EDIT: Since this is kind of vague and imprecise I think I should clarify. Yes you should be escalating at some point, yes you should allow your relationship to develop, but you should not allow your behavior to be driven by fear of rejection or failure - this tends to show and has ruined re…
/r/seduction29/03/22 07:08 PM
2

Did you do the whole "well hey this was fun would you want to go do xyz sometime" thing and get her number? You can do that and the guy objecting would just look pathetic unless he's actually with her
/r/seduction29/03/22 07:02 PM
1

Plus some people treat pokemon cards better than they treat people. I bet there's a sizeable overlap between those people and this sub. John mccain understood this principle very well
/r/seduction29/03/22 07:01 PM
6

Have a backup plan lined the fuck up in case things go south.
/r/seduction29/03/22 06:50 PM
1

Ok. As for me, suffice it to say that I think neither of us want to see anyone to get sexually assaulted.
/r/seduction29/03/22 01:49 AM
1

Martial arts, climbing walls, paint nights, local groupons, coed sports, REI outdoor trips, etc. It could be expensive depending on what you decide, but that's the nature of the game if you want warm approach.
/r/seduction29/03/22 12:49 AM
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crazy mindset of “what if they think I’m ugly…is that why I got rejected?” Correct, that is crazy. Remember that strong positive reactions to looks alone tend to be for exceptionally attractive guys. Not getting that reaction does not make you ugly, it just means you're not Adonis. That's normal. Women will be wary of men they don't know, as men might be wary of men they don't know. But maybe I can inoculate myself against approach anxiety, so that if I get used to enough masked approaches it wo…
/r/seduction29/03/22 12:35 AM
4

Is there a difference between my approach and how you believe men should behave when this boundary is presented to them?
/r/seduction29/03/22 12:14 AM
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Well look, if she says something isn't going to happen, I'm going to respect that. But I'm still going to go as far as she seems to enjoy. Maybe she changes her mind, maybe she doesn't. I don't see the problem.
/r/seduction28/03/22 11:48 PM
2

What are you doing to increase your own attractiveness?
/r/seduction28/03/22 11:24 PM
14

When women say they don't want sex that night, that's exactly what they mean. I'd say it's a pretty direct refutation.
/r/seduction28/03/22 11:05 PM
9

Years ago I was grinding on this woman in her apartment, our clothes were basically off and i could only manage a raspy "are you on the pill" and she says "I don't want to actually have sex" while we're basically already going at it. 5 minutes later she takes me by the hand to her bedroom and goes to her drawer to get a condom. This is not the only experience I've had like this. What I take from this is that some women will initially not want to fuck simply because they aren't turned on enough, …
/r/seduction28/03/22 10:30 PM
1

I know this slightly above average white guy who always seems to be with a girl. He seems to win by doing... Nothing. Not trying to impress anyone. Not singing at a singing bar. Not dancing. Just sitting there, doing his own thing, content with himself. Allowing a comfortable distance until it's time for him to dance or take the girl near him by the hand. He did speak Spanish to the Latina girl that sat next to him, which definitely helped, but I've also seen him pull a white chick that he did l…
/r/seduction26/03/22 06:22 PM
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