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Actually it turned male intimacy into cheap, free commodity for women… I can go sleep around with as many men as I want, not marry any of them, not have any of their children, and not do any labor for them, and walk away having had my fun. Easy. Free.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/26 12:43 AM
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Bigger because I need an area to actually hold the toy with my hand. Or I should say HE needs the area to hold with his hand, since I only ever use it when we’re having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 02:01 PM
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Men don't realize how slutty women would dress if all men were magically disappeared from earth. Men are the reason I don't dress more provocatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 08:16 PM
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Why shouldn’t women judge men for their sexual performance when it is directly tied to her happiness in a relationship? That’s like saying we shouldn’t judge a man for his politics or his values or his personality. We don’t HAVE to date you if you don’t make our lives better. And having standards for a relationship are absolutely a good thing for BOTH parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:37 PM
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Some elements of what we consider traditional masculinity feels threatening to me as a woman. I dont want some ultra muscly guy. That is scary. I dont want a guy who acts tough. That leads to violence. I don’t want a guy who intentionally suppresses his emotions because that means he is going to be bad at communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:53 PM
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This whole post is evidence, but you don’t like that so you pretend like it doesn’t count.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:01 PM
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You don’t like my evidence because it disproves your statement. It’s really that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:39 PM
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I have provided evidence. This is a post that is a man whining in exactly the way you SAY you criticize, with the implication that you criticize them the same way you criticize women. And in this thread, you’re all criticism of women. You’ve had plenty of opportunities to show evidence to the opposite, by linking comments in this post where you argue with OP. But you can’t. So you don’t. And that’s how my point is proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:09 PM
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Have you already forgotten what you were supposed to be arguing? Linking comments where you treat them nicely, or any evidence that you largely only argue with women, would disprove YOUR argument. Linking comments where you call them out would be disproving MY argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:44 PM
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You can disprove me at any time by linking a comment of yours in this post where you push back against OP’s whining, which you claim to call out. But all you’ve done is argue with women on this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:07 PM
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You asked for evidence, and it’s right in front of us. Amazing how that works out sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:04 AM
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Damn how many friends do you have who make you feel horrible because of their dating success?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:20 PM
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In fact, it was so easy to prove my point that I didn’t even have to leave this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 07:51 PM
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How about this post where you only ever argue with women about their comments to OP, but never actually argue with OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 06:01 PM
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It’s easy to see your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:41 PM
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And yet you spend all your time on this sub arguing against women, not men who should stfu.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 05:26 PM
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And men live when they don’t receive romantic attention from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:50 PM
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Like OP, you have zero idea of what catcalling entails for women. You also forget that catcalling starts when women are CHILDREN. You ever been followed by a sexually deviant older man down a public road when you were 12?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 04:48 PM
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The physical bar for men to do a ONS with me is the same as the bar for men to get into a relationship with me. In fact, I might even say it's HIGHER for the relationship. Sometimes I think men forget that a relationship means spending huge amounts of time with them and repeatedly fucking that person over a long period of time, maybe forever. Not only do I want to actually LIKE that person more for relationships, but I need to be insanely attracted to them. It is a much bigger achievement for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 06:56 PM
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Ok? and there’s also hobosexuals, a whole word used to describe men in relationships who have their girlfriend drive them around, pay their rent, and do all their chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:58 AM
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This comment is almost 100 days old. But if you insist on not leaving this alone, I’ll say this: none of the things you mentioned about repair and moving things happens on a regular basis, and “driving her around” is not a male task expected in any typical relationship. Women also drive men around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 09:01 PM
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Why do guys constantly think old men are attractive to young women? Old men are mostly not attractive to young women, and no amount of money will change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:53 AM
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Another day, another man on PPD conflating human rights with sex with women. Stop acting like women have to fuck you in order to be good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:37 AM
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What incentive is left? I…like him and enjoy my life with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:37 PM
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But I already have gold as a woman. Which means you’re wrong. And if gold never comes for you, you’re also wrong. Such a silly argument…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:15 PM
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You really don’t see my point? I’ll spell it out to you like you’re five. “Gold will come for men” is a meaningless statement. “It will never come for women” has already been disproven by the fact that some women are rich. Your statement is easy to refute.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:24 AM
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Did I say most women are rich? No. Stop arguing with yourself. You were the one who made a ludicrous statement about gold coming to men eventually. How easy to refute.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:03 PM
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Most men are poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:17 PM
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People who brag that they have a high IQ sure do love to say the stupidest shit. You have no evidence that women who get high paying jobs aren’t “smart” with their money. You just made that up. You also have no idea what the scholarships for women in college are for, or which college they apply to. You just conveniently took a country wide statistic about attendance and compared it to specific degree-related scholarships provided by individual universities. You also have no evidence that “every …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:13 PM
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You only say that absolute numbers don’t matter because you’ve decided that “per capita” is more legitimate, regardless of the base number. Again, if you have 99 men and 1 woman, and that one woman does the same action as 75 of the men, you cannot in good faith draw conclusions about women’s behavior. But you’re not arguing in good faith, are you? Because if you were, you’d look for studies that talk about this discrepancy and how it skews the data. But you don’t. If you want to open the door to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 04:49 AM
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They see it as a disqualifier for dating. I don’t want to date a gay man because I want my partner to be straight. That doesn’t mean being gay is negative. I also don’t want to date a guy who is super ripped. Not my thing. Doesn’t mean being ripped is negative. I don’t want to date someone who lives on the other side of the world. They have to live near me. That doesn’t mean they are a bad person or that something is wrong with them. It’s just an incompatibility. YOU as the person being rejected…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:28 PM
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Men who get rejected view the reason for their rejection as a negative judgment on them, whether the woman thinks that or not. Just because someone doesn’t want to date you doesn’t mean you’re morally failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:25 PM
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LOLLL you did not just bring up Hillary Clinton as an example of a female leader when she was never even president—classic right wing reality bending. I think we’re done here. You have demonstrated rudimentary knowledge of how to read studies—you think an abstract is sufficient evidence; you have no concept of percentages or statistics—you literally compared male and female leaders to coin flips; you have revealed that you dont even care to classify women correctly in their leadership positions—…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:21 PM
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Yet another article from you that is only an abstract with no actual numbers stated. Since you seem confused, let me give you a hypothetical. Let’s say there are 100 men and 1 woman. Let’s say 75 of the 100 men do x action, and the 1 woman also does x action. While you’d be technically correct in saying that “statistically a higher percentage of women do x”, you would not be correct in claiming that “women are more likely to do x”. In that study 100% of women do x, but that’s only because there’…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:57 AM
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That article is taken through a euro-centric lens in a specific time period, and doesn’t list how many queens vs how many kings ruled during that time. You lack critical thinking skills. You’re probably the kind of person who googles “queens waged war more than men” in order to find the argument that suits your narrative. There has been an overwhelmingly higher number of male rulers than female, across the globe, across human history. Until you account for that, nothing you say is statistically …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:26 AM
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You have no evidence that greater in group bias means that women are more likely to abuse their power against weaker individuals. You also don’t have any evidence that women are more likely to abuse their power against weaker individuals. We have thousands of years of history of mostly MEN doing this though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:09 PM
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Study after study does not show that men in power do not have group preference while in power. Statistics do though. Men at the very top surround themselves by men at the very top. If a male leader appoints a woman as his right hand or in his cabinet or as an advisor it’s considered “progressive” and called “DEI” by millions of conservatives. It’s a novelty. You don’t need studies to show that. It’s just evident.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:08 PM
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Still not enough evidence. Until we’ve had a comparable number of female leaders as male ones—not just “the first female ___ this country has ever had”—only then can we actually make a claim that women would be worse leaders. There are still far more male dictators than female ones. The case for men is extremely poor right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:06 PM
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You’re using “in group preferences” completely differently than what was studied in that paper. There is nothing in there that suggests that would women be worse leaders because of this. You just made a correlation backed by zero evidence. Also, if statistically there have been hundreds more male leaders throughout history, you can’t really compare the likelihood in a fair way, can you? If there are 25 male leaders and 1 female leader, and the 1 female leader wages war, while 19 male leaders wag…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:00 PM
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By your argument, men should not be in power. Men have demonstrated how their tendencies in power include high levels of preference for their own group having power. They want their own group to be able to act with complete and utter impunity, as demonstrated by the current world. So we already know men can’t lead. Let’s let women do it, since they haven’t proven that they will screw up as badly as men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:40 AM
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What do you mean “low bar parenting praise isn’t a male thing, it’s a parenting thing”? It’s a male parenting thing. Are you looking for some low bar label that has absolutely no “title” associated with it? And if so, why does that have to be the case in order for the argument to be valid for you? You’re obviously thinking about this in the context of dating. So I could easily say, “it’s not a male thing, it’s a dating thing.” And that wouldn’t make any sense, because there is needless distincti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:50 AM
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You are blaming an entire generation of women for being lost due to indecision. Those are your words. I’m pointing out how stupid of a theory that is. If women wanted to have children, it’s just about the easiest thing a woman can do. Women are CHOOSING not to have children. They’re not suffering from indecision in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:33 PM
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So you do think we’re all stupid? Amazing to see the misogyny happen in real time. You think we’re all just looking around at all the men who want us and throwing our hands in the air, like “oh no, there’s too many options! I’m so confused for my entire life! Oops, I missed the window to have kids and now I’m childless forever!” Pleasseeeeee
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:04 PM
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It’s crazy to read someone try to argue that indecision is why women aren’t having kids. You really think we’re all so stupid, don’t you? Or maybe…you do know the reason, it just hurts your ego to say the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:51 AM
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You can’t site the action as the reason for the action. Women opting out of being mothers isn’t a factor in women opting out of being mothers. WHY are women opting out of being mothers? WHY is motherhood not an attractive option for women? I think you know, but you don’t want to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:45 AM
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Hilarious to watch people twist logic into knots about the fertility rate. We have genders. Genders exist. Most people identify as male or female—the VAST majority. It’s other factors that are making having children untenable or unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:32 AM
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As a woman who did at one point try to have casual sex, I will NEVER do it again. Not worth it. Too sketchy. Sex wasn’t that good. LTR sex is superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:20 PM
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Ok, you can live in your fantasy if you want. More men violently harm women than women who harm men. It’s not even close. Not even a little close. Men are killed more by men than by women, and it’s not even remotely close. Men are the problem. Men need to stop being violent. Men need to stop being menaces. Men need to control themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:17 PM
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Of course more men are killed than women—but we’re talking about the strength differences between men and women, and why that means women are not going to be perpetrators than men. If you want to talk about how more men are killed overall, that’s a different conversation. But we’re talking about who is the worst perpetrator. And it’s overwhelming men. If you can’t admit that, you’re living in a fantasy world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:15 PM
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And who’s doing the killing in genocides, hmm?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:44 PM
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Violence that physical causes DAMAGE is worse than violence that doesn’t, and it doesn’t have to end in death. If we’re talking about causing actual physical damage, it is STILL men who are overwhelmingly the culprits. This doesn’t mean men can’t be raped. It doesn’t mean men can’t be hit. It doesn’t mean men can’t be victims. But if we’re looking at DAMAGE, women are getting HURT at a vastly higher rate than men. And one of the reasons for this is because men are simply much stronger than women…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 02:44 PM
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Men commit far and away a higher percentage of lethal domestic violence against women than the reverse. You can cherry pick all the stats you want, but women are DYING at higher rates by men. You can’t win this argument. Men are more lethal, men are more murderous, men are more dangerous. It’s just a fact. I’m not talking about YOU personally, so stop being so emotional and accept the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:24 PM
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There is no gender based genocide. That has never existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:21 PM
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Ok? I’m not saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:20 PM
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Ok? I’m not saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:20 PM
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You haven’t provided any relevant stats either homeboy. I’m just playing your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:06 PM
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When did I ever say that? My argument is my original statement. The difference between strength in men and women isn’t marginal. It’s one of many reasons why there are more male perpetrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:58 PM
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Except men are not programmed to not hurt women. They hurt women all the time. Every second of every day. Violence again women is a serious epidemic globally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:04 PM
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You just made that up. Teenage boys can overtake fully grown women. Untrained men can outperform highly trained women. There’s nothing stopping men from using “the element of surprise” or “weapons”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:34 PM
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Correct, and the commenter seems to be on the side of “babies with no agency whatsoever.” Just because women are generally pickier than men doesn’t mean women aren’t willing to participate. They’re participating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:41 AM
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You don’t even know yourself if you want kids, so who are you to recommend women who have “vehemently” decided they don’t want to be a wife or a mother that they should “take a long reflection”? Maybe YOU should take a long reflection on why you can’t decide what you want. This is one of the most hypocritical posts I’ve read on this sub in a while. Maybe look in a mirror, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:39 AM
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No, they don’t. MEN on this sub say it. Are you admitting that you believe men are babies with no agency whatsoever? Because what’s what you’re saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:52 AM
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Except women aren’t saying that—men are. And they’re wrong. That’s just a convenient phrase to absolve men of any agency or responsibility. But you’re not babies. You’re grown adults. You have influence over your romantic future. You can’t pretend like you have no control to avoid responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:14 AM
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Isn’t a man whore just a man who sleeps around a lot? It’s the male equivalent of a slut, right? If that’s the case then I don’t see why you’d assume that they have bad behavior, in the same way that being a slut doesn’t mean men are rewarding bad behavior. There’s no reward. Some people sleep around more than others because they are able to attract a lot of people. You can be a man whore or a slut and still not be an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 10:14 PM
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The strength difference isn’t marginal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:09 AM
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Status for men is wealth and whether or not they can get laid. Men who obsess about women’s preferences are also the men who are the most concerned with the status that women give them. Ironic. Women also want to date men who look like Henry Cavill, but we know realistically that that isn’t realistic. What women consider the most attractive and who they actually date are two different things. Just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:34 AM
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You just made that up. Please show a study that has proven this. Also, short men can be violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:13 PM
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Yes, I figured you weren’t being fully honest before.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:34 PM
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That doesn’t make you bad. It only makes you bad if you would stay with Girl A but not with Girl B.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:40 PM
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Again, I think it’s fine to call someone out for not seeing something obvious. But if you spend most of your time criticizing them and not the cheater, then it makes you seem like a victim blamer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:39 PM
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Honestly I think it’s fair when you most of your time and energy criticizing the person who did the bad thing. Like, if someone was a cheater in the past, and they cheat again, but you spend all of your words criticizing the person who got cheated on rather than the cheater, then it’s not fair. You can’t be a victim blamer first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:38 PM
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Women like tall guys, but that doesn’t mean they don’t date guys that are average for what they see in their day to day. The only men who have to worry are short men, and that’s because they become shorter than most women. So you could argue that women don’t date generally shorter than them in height, and that I would generally agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:34 PM
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You can do whatever you want. Leave if you’re not compatible. That’s not the issue. If you leave because you can’t do the sexual things you want, you’re a fine person. If you leave because you don’t like that she’s done stuff with other guys, then you’re a bad person. Girl A is not open to experimentation with anyone. Girl B used to be, but now has a boundary. It’s very simple: if you stay with Girl A because she’s put up a boundary, but you break up with Girl B because her boundary didn’t apply…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:31 PM
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I never said women don’t select for height. But I will repeat: men are already taller than women on average. So this isn’t classified as “dating up”. You’re already taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:29 PM
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The only trend of SOME women dating up is about money. The average man is taller than the average woman, so you can’t really call a woman dating a taller man “dating up”. And status is just money. When you take wealthy men out of the equation (most men aren’t rich), you don’t see women dating up at all. If a man makes $50k and the woman makes $40k, you can hardly call this “hypergamy”. Way too many men who are concerned about women dating them for their “resources” don’t have any resources worth…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:10 PM
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The only reason you’re upset is because she did it with someone else, not because it’s not pleasurable for her. That’s what makes you the bad person. You only think it’s the short end of the stick because you feel entitled to her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:46 PM
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This is what happens when you think sex is a reward that is owed to you for certain behavior, rather than a mutually pleasurable activity between two enthusiastic parties. If something isn’t pleasurable for her, why would you want her to do it with you, regardless of her history? That makes you a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:30 PM
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Not to be that person, but there have studies proving that statically as women age, they’re attracted to men who age with them; but as men age, they’re still only interested in women who are barely legal. Why? Because men of all ages want above average women. Women want men who are like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:11 PM
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Human beings are allowed to change their minds based on experience. That’s called maturity, growth, and development. The way you describe men is like cave men or animals who want to fuck anything, and you call that a good thing. lol. How is it good? Look where it’s gotten yall. Lonely, in bad relationships, settling, desperate, porn brained. You can’t even distinguish from sexual desire aimed at a partner and sexual desire of a woman’s body. So unsophisticated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:10 PM
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You don’t tho. You settle all the time because you want sex with a female body, and it matters very little for way too many of you who is the human being inside that body. That’s not sexual desire for your partner. That’s desire for sex with a body. That’s why you get into the first relationship that comes your way and have dirt standards. So don’t lecture women about who they choose when you’re equally part of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:13 PM
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No one who says “choose better” to an entire gender is a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:38 AM
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Men are so desperate for relationships that they get into the first one that becomes available to them, without any consideration for if it’s actually a compatible match. And then when it does work out, it’s the woman who is blamed for not “choosing right”. You say you have agency, but men don’t act like they have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:32 PM
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Do you have any agency at all? You can make your own opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:40 PM
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That’s what happens when you put women on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:23 PM
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Yep. Doesn’t change anything of what I’ve said.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:22 PM
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If power = money in relationships, then it is unquestionably bad for ALL women to be in relationships where they have none of their own, or are wholly dependent on their partner’s money. Women MUST have their own money in relationships, or else the power is so imbalanced that the man can hold any leverage against her for her survival. This happens all the time with relationships where the woman never works and just raises the kids. Women can’t leave when things get bad. It’s like being a prisone…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:38 PM
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While I think that’s totally fine, I do cringe at the categorization of paying for a date as a “sexual” boundary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:35 PM
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lol no. My opinion is that the Good Guys TM are also assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:32 PM
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Because women aren’t perfect? And are just as likely as men to get into relationships with incompatible and bad people? And not all women “go through assholes first”?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:32 PM
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If women are changing their tactics based on bad experiences with bad guys, and the “good guys” who asked women to “choose better” are still not happy, then the good guys are actually bad guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 02:30 PM
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That’s admitting that the “good guys” are actually assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:09 PM
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Men want women to “stop dating assholes” but when they listen and start implementing things to make sure she’s not with an asshole, the “good men” freak out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:00 PM
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Funny, when you were describing masculine attributes, I literally thought, “he’s describing women today.” But then your only practical examples were in relationships specifically. Newsflash, if women aren’t interested, they won’t take the kind of “masculine” initiative in relationships you’re thinking of.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:07 PM
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If you’re with a man who wants lots of sex, and you’re not like that, you shouldn’t be dating that man. That’s incompatibility. If you’re a man who is a slob, you shouldn’t be surprised when the woman breaks up with you. If NO woman wants to be with you because you’re dirty, that’s you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:34 PM
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Women do leave men for being slobs all the time, what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:20 PM
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Men can create their own cleanliness threshold as much as they want. But if women don’t want to date them because of it, that’s the men’s faults for not improving themselves to be attractive enough to date. You can’t be a slob and then complain that women’s standards are too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:47 PM
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Leagues are made up and subjective and not a proper basis for an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:54 PM
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Men are all bothered by women having reservations and being cautious of men when they imagine themselves in that group, but the second you talk about being a protector, suddenly they feel a duty to separate her from men who might hurt her or hit on her unprovoked. Which one is it? If you have a girlfriend, suddenly you’re understanding of the threat of other men to her. And you’re suspicious of men who might try to hit on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:31 PM
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Which is…?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:36 AM
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Passport bros have earned their reputation. People in mixed nationality marriages where the woman’s country is poorer are not immediately stigmatized.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:36 AM
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Mixed marriages doesn’t encapsulate what is happening in passport bro situations. I’m in a mixed race relationship. But not a passport bro one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:41 PM
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You just found the time to argue with me, so what does that say about your priorities and how you really feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:44 PM
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Nothing wrong with going abroad to look for love. But we all know that’s not what passport bros get shit on for. It’s the racism, the dehumanization, and the preying on the vulnerable. All passport bros are not guilty of this. But that sub and this community is filled with men who are, and the outside world doesn’t see the good passport bros calling them out. That’s why you ALL get a bad rep.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:00 PM
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Because progressives don’t actually win elections. If other men voted progressive, it would really help feminists do these policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:42 PM
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You’re only evidence is rhetoric. You have not provided any other evidence besides rhetoric. Both men and women sling abrasive rhetoric at each other. That is not how one gender disenfranchises another. If you wanna have an argument based on emotions, then look somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:46 PM
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Women are disproportionately NOT in power, and are using their power to help other women who are similarly disproportionately not in power to climb the ladder to access opportunities they wished they had had when they were breaking glass ceilings. So your only evidence is rhetoric, which means you've lost the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 10:31 PM
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You can’t answer because it will reveal how stupid of a request it is that OP is making
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:59 PM
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How are women becoming hostile towards men as they gain more power? Where are women gaining more power? If your only evidence is rhetoric, then you’ve lost the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:52 PM
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This one is so easy to debunk. Of course male escorts exist, and of course a woman at some point in history has paid for one. You’re really trying to make an absolutist claim like this, where a single example crumbles your entire statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:34 PM
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The same as KIDS libido?? Ew. Ew. Ew. Sorry to burst your bubble, OP, but women get horny and want to ride dick just for the sake of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:44 PM
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I would argue that women ARE telling men what they like, but as OP said, women are not a monolith, and so the answers vary slightly. The issue for men isn’t that women aren’t being truthful, it’s that women have variation. Women have been saying for decades that height is not the end all be all. Social skills, charisma, and just plain old dumb luck have SO much to do with it. In other words, height isn’t the only thing that matters, and how much it matters varies from woman to woman. You already…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:40 PM
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So if these truths are so self evident, why does OP feel the need for women to explain it to him like he’s five?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:10 PM
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I’m just scratching my head because you are claiming that a college degree is the CAUSE of a less promiscuous sex life, rather than a correlation. You even admit that IQ and social skills don’t perfectly correlate. And I don’t know why you need such a detailed description of terms like “charisma” and “social skills.” It seems daily self explanatory. Charismatic people draw people to them, are able to have engaging conversation with all types of people, are generally likeable by many, and are rem…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:48 PM
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How can the individual woman provide a generalized context of female desire if individual women differ? How does an individual woman provide this context? A mass email?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:36 PM
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What do you mean? Feminists vote progressive in much higher rates than men, especially older men. Progressives are anti-war and anti-draft. That’s about as big of an action as anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:16 AM
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Phew that was a wild ride reading that one. Started with an interesting debate about expendability and ended with Kiera Knightly. While I think the entire second half of your post is completely irrelevant, I do think it’s interesting to consider who should be sacrificed first. I don’t think human life should be characterized by value in this way. In a survival situation, there are too many factors at play to dwindle it down to “who will be missed more”. However, I do think children in general sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:47 AM
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Now imagine if women were in charge, would they have done the inverse for men? They would have done so, so much better for men than what men did to women. A matriarchy is child-centered, circular, village-based system that prioritizes the most vulnerable and functions on a multi-generational support system. The world would be better off with women in power across the globe. The current system functions like this: men in power don't care about the average john doe. In fact, they screw over the av…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:24 PM
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Do you have any other examples besides makeup? Because that’s not an example that helps your case. Men literally are terrible at telling what is makeup and what isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:33 PM
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You have no idea why 41 women have declined a second date with you. To assume they are all rejecting you because you’re not traditionally masculine enough is making an insane assumption. Are you a femboy? If not, you’re not so far away from traditional manliness that this can be presumed to be the reason they have ALL rejected you. Why did you reject the women you didn’t like out of the 41? I’m sure it was for several reasons, dependent on the woman. That’s how those women think of YOU. All diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:14 PM
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You live together because there are things you can’t know about your partner unless you do so. It’s the same with sex. The biggest risk you take is getting locked into marriage with someone who you don’t know you’re compatible with. You have to check for sexual compatibility. You have to check with cohabitation compatibility. You can always break up and move out if you don’t like it. You risk nothing from a period of living together before marriage except a little chunk of time where you realize…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:53 PM
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Men who don't care about body count are superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:34 PM
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Because I'm not attracted to men who are real trouble. That causes me stress, which feels bad. "Problematic" is a whole list of things. From my own life, I had this period where I wans't looking for a relationship, just casual sex, but I still rejected guys for being problematic. I once rejected a guy who sent me a dick pick unsolicited before we even had our first date. Ironically, if he had just not sent that pic, I probably would have slept with him. I once rejected a guy who acted like he wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 02:34 PM
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It is partly about body count, and that’s the part I addressed. If you want women to specifically address the other points you made, you need to make that clear in your question. The more comfortable around a man I am, the more “taboo” the sexual acts I am comfortable with, so that’s not a concern for me. If a future partner is concerned about my sexual acts from a previous partner out of insecurity or jealousy, then he’s not LTR material. I wouldn’t have sex with a guy who is so problematic tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:36 PM
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Any man who is concerned about my body count isn’t LTR material. The main reason I have limited my sleeping around is because sex with random guys is not that good, and there is way too much risk involved, both in my safety/comfort and things like STDs and pregnancy. Only a long term partner will have a chance to be able to help me experience excellent sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:19 AM
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Abusive? No one is forcing you to do any of this. No one owes you romantic validation. This is exactly what women talk about when they warm against “entitlement”. I’m a woman who pays for most of the dates I go on with my boyfriend, as in, I pay for both of us. I asked my boyfriend out initially. Women like me exist—we just don’t date men who consider planning for dates and putting in effort as abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:13 AM
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That’s what you’re doing, honey…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:53 PM
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Keep coping!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:42 PM
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How the hell am I supposed to magically know your preferred pronouns? Also, my reality is the truth. I told you some of the ways I don't adhere to gender norms, and you choose to twist your mind into knots, thinking that calling me a Nigerian prince and a bot is going to change the reality of my life. Hilariously, you know that what I'm saying about my own life is true. You're just being edgy because you have no other personality to lean back on. This is you sad defense mechanism. When the scree…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:40 PM
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So fascinating watching a man twist his reality into knots to uphold his fantasy...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:35 PM
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Classic response. You can deny reality all you want, but reality doesn’t care about your opinion. Ironically, the women who posses qualities you desire will never be interested in dating you because you aren’t a feminist and you don’t believe women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:06 PM
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When did I say anything about traditional gender roles? I literally make more money than my boyfriend, I was the one who asked him out, and I have zero expectation of him “providing” for me. You just made up something about me to get yourself angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:16 PM
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You're not answering my question because you know your statement is false. My statement is true. Just because a woman rejects you doesn't mean she thinks you're disposable and worthless. I have male friends who have no interest in dating--but I obviously think they have worth and are not disposable. That's why I'm their friends. You're argument is hilariously easy to debunk, because you continue to speak for all women. You have yet to deny this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:03 PM
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Are YOU? I’m saying a truth, which is that a woman who rejects you doesn’t automatically mean she thinks you’re disposable and worthless. Are you saying that this is what all women who reject men think of those men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:36 PM
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Just because a woman doesn’t want to date you doesn’t mean she thinks you’re disposable and worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:47 PM
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“Chad filter”? You’re attractive enough for them to want to go on a first date with you. I promise, it’s not your looks. Not having chemistry with someone is not a moral failing on your part, but it’s also not a moral failing on the women’s parts for not feeling it despite your efforts. You know what it feels like to not want to go on a second date with a woman—I’m assuming you feel like your reasonings are justified. And so are the women who don’t want to go on a second date with you. Getting m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:45 PM
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And out of those 41 first dates, you wanted to go on a second date with every single one of them? (Edit add on: 41 first dates is a lot for the average person. That means you’re attracting women. It’s something else that’s repelling them, and if you’re paying for everything, then it’s not your money.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:23 PM
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What is confusing about my comment? Women reject men for all sorts of reasons, but that doesn’t mean the reasons are all as bad as each other. If a woman rejects you for being short, and another man for being violent, that doesn’t mean she thinks you’re as bad as the man who is violent. I don’t even know why you bring up children, other than to make the case that women should sleep with even fewer guys than they already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:52 PM
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The real world. Where men don’t save women. They only harass, threaten, and abuse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:49 AM
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In this real life scenario when a woman is threatened by a man, men already don’t come to the rescue. Women do. We just want men to do what women are already doing for other human beings because it’s the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:35 AM
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Women reject men all the time because those men are toxic, violent, sexist, unattractive, broke, and/or awkward. That doesn’t mean that being awkward is as bad as being violent. It just means that when you pretend like women’s vaginas are the arbiters of morality, you can come to stupid conclusions like “women prefer toxic men”. In reality, women ALSO date men who are all of the those things. Women date violent men, unattractive men, broke men, toxic men. It’s almost like women are people are ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:15 PM
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How many violent misogynists do you know personally who have girlfriends, OP? Go through the male friends in your life who are in relationships—are they all violent misogynists? If yes, why are you friends to them? If no, then the only conclusion can be that women don’t like violent misogynists, right? Right? Or are we only comparing weak and shy guys to literal serial killers in order to make your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:12 PM
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…ok. Mathematical language of set theory doesn’t account for the fact that, since almost no woman is universally desirable, that means that men have no issue fraternizing in mixed gender spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:53 PM
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You actually didn’t say almost. I did. Also…are you ok? Your sentence about “three dude triplets” makes no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:48 PM
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Almost no woman is universally desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:39 PM
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Asking for feminists to not be immensely dismissive of men is vastly different than requiring feminists to dedicate the majority of their social justice efforts to male issues, in order to be considered “good” to men here. Feminists who are egalitarian are widely accepted in feminist circles. There is not a trend that feminists are being rejected in their own circles for not being pro woman enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:17 PM
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Again, no one is arguing that there aren't diminishing returns at the extremes. The argument is where the line is. Men who argue that women have standards that are too high are just saying that their line is at a different place than where the women say the line is. The opposite is true too. Men who argue that they're somehow benefiting infinitely by forever lowering their standards are also just in disagreement as to where that line is of diminishing returns. So the question remains: where is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:39 PM
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I don’t think anyone believes that higher standards is always better—of course there is a point of diminishing returns. The debate is on where that line is, which you seem to be avoiding. Based on the way conversations on this sub go, I’m assuming you think that women’s standards are too high, at the point where there are already diminishing returns. Is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:41 PM
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Here we go lol A non-answer because you have no argument. And sure, if you want to play dumb about extremely well known history, here are some examples: World War I: The Women's Peace Party led by Jane Addams, opposed U.S. entry into the war. It later became the U.S. branch of the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom. Vietnam War: Women were among the most visible leaders of the anti-war movement. Organizations included Women Strike for Peace, Another Mother for Peace, and many fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:06 PM
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Just based on your last sentence alone, I realize that this is a waste of time talking to you. You don’t even understand that being against the blackpill doesn’t mean you have to do everything against the traditional grain of relationships and attraction. You can date someone shorter than you and still think blackpill is stupid. And it’s not hypocritical. I can point to a thousand couples in real life that defy the black pill, and THAT is the evidence. Just like how voting records prove my other…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:35 PM
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Raising the minimum wage, supporting unions which disproportionally help men in the trades, not going to war so as to send men to die, increased support for mental health so that men stop killing themselves, affordable education so it’s not impossible for men to get a degree, maternal/paternal leave… Shall I go on? My boyfriend is 5’9”, and hilarious that you think that this is some kind of gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:57 PM
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I go here for three reasons: 1) to get an understanding of how a certain type of man thinks—generally speaking, I mean men who feel like women have wronged them on a societal level—in order to better navigate my personal relationships with men in my life who I perceive to be romantically struggling; 2) to remind myself that men who genuinely believe toxic things exist, and they are all around us, very much in the mainstream; and 3) to dispel misinformation by challenging toxic generalizations of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:53 PM
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Funny how feminists like me vote for policies that help men, have a large number of male friends who I support and listen to, and are dating a man who is also a feminist. I love men. I’m surrounded by men all day. You just don’t like that I have arguments on Reddit against red pill and black pill men spewing toxic garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:33 PM
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Men love to say “you can’t be a feminist and a good person” on Reddit when i talk about my identity as a feminist. And ironically the only way they seem capable of admitting that I might be a good person is if I prove that I have dedicated most of my life’s efforts to helping male-specific causes. Like we’ve gotten to the point where the only accepted feminist is one who focuses on men’s rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:00 PM
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Isn't the pedophilia thing mostly about hairiness and acting helpless?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:11 PM
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What have feminists done that is against helping the male suicide rate? Or the draft for that matter? Or domestic violence? Feminists vote for progressive policies that directly address these things. Feminists vote against the draft. Feminists vote for increased mental health services for everyone. Feminists vote for policies that would raise the wages of male dominated industries. They vote for policies that help men specifically. And you’re being naive about shelters. The reason we need female…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:02 PM
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Nope, but doesn’t change anything I’ve said. I could be a man making this argument and it wouldn’t change anything I’ve said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:13 PM
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The fact that you compare MAGA, a movement that is currently in power and making decisions, to feminists who have never been in power EVER in the history of the USA, is actually insane. Feminists have won some policy victories despite not having power, such as the 19th amendment and the original passing of Roe v Wade. And if you want to keep comparing the two, you’re essentially saying that all of the DEATH that has been a result of MAGA, such as Jan 6, ICE violence, the dissolution of USAID, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:52 PM
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Why can’t men take jokes about small dicks and being short? Why can’t men be funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:26 AM
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Then disagree with my argument. I feel like I have explained why. If you disagree then you disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:17 AM
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The examples connected criticism back to jealousy because I believe those “criticisms” are connected to jealousy. Also, many of my examples are hardly criticism. Cat calling and verbal harassment, as well as dehumanizing language and body shaming cannot ever be categorized under “criticism.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:53 AM
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I am clearly separating criticism and misogyny. I am not claiming that all criticism is misogyny. I have listed examples demonstrating some distinctions. You’re free to disagree with my reasoning, but do not accuse me of blurring them. I believe jealousy is the root. I explained why. Clearly you just disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:22 AM
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So you just think feminists are radical feminists. You did not distinguish them at all. You are not arguing in the same parameters that I am if this is what you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:21 AM
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There are many things in which I am wrong. The word “foid” being common on 4chan is not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:20 AM
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You go to 4chan and you don’t see the word “foid”? Now I know you’re lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:47 AM
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And I’m jealous of the special privileges men get.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:25 PM
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What is the manosphere equivalent of radical feminists? What is the 4chan equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:25 PM
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Feminism is not an extremist community. Radical feminists are. The manosphere, incel websites, and cess pool sites like 4chan, etc, are extremist communities. There are no radical feminist equivalents of those examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:52 PM
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Yeah, but people can have disagreements with women without hating women as a whole. I agree, and I never said this was the case. Misogyny is hatred or contempt toward women as a gender. That is different from criticizing certain behaviors, dating patterns, social expectations, or cultural double standards involving women. Those things can be unfair or badly argued sometimes, but they are not automatically hatred. They are not automatically hatred, and I'm not talking about those moments. I'm tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:13 PM
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Male criticism of women is not inherently misogynistic. It often is. But it isn’t inherently. I never said it was. Therefore any male criticism of women isn’t automatically jealousy. Misogyny is what I am arguing is rooted in jealousy. So if the behavior is misogynistic, I argue that it is rooted in jealousy. If it’s not misogyny, just criticism, then it may or may not be rooted in jealousy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:24 PM
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Because I’m not talking about other motives. I’m talking about jealousy. Just because I believe jealousy is the root psychologically doesn’t mean there aren’t other reasons on top of that. And it IS a hypothesis. I’m hypothesizing that jealousy is the root of misogyny and explaining why I think that. You’re free to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:07 PM
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You got caught and you can’t admit it. If you can’t acknowledge why certain DEI goals have been needed, then you have no grounds to argue your point. You walked right into the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:05 PM
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I did establish that jealousy is the motive by explaining why in every one of my examples. You just didn’t agree with my explanations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:02 PM
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You’re a liar. And apparently also live under a rock. There are so many more extremist incel-adjacent male communities online than female. That alone is evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:01 PM
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Why isn’t it happening “naturally”?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:56 PM
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Google “which is a more common term: foid or moid?” and let me know what you find. Bet you won’t do it…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:05 PM
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Well in my examples, I’m talking about misogyny, and not criticism. Now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:00 PM
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You’re acting like MGTOW men are doing so within the confines of their own community, never making their loneliness apparent to others. When in reality, we both know that they get clumped into the loneliness statistics because they have self-opted into this classification. They want to be classified as such. They want society to know they feel they are lonely and have been wronged in some way. “We don’t need women, I live for myself” is one thing. “Women are at fault for not choosing the right m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:59 PM
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It’s THE example. You really going to act like you didn’t just get got?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:55 PM
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Why wouldn’t it have happened naturally?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:54 PM
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Not all of them are unique to the present. Men have always had womb envy, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:50 PM
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It’s not an opinion. “Foid” came first. Foid is used much more pervasively. That’s a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:49 PM
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Men who think they are equal contributors in creating life need to be humbled.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:48 PM
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DNA is 50% mom and 50% dad genetically. But I’m obviously not talking about genetic contribution. I’m talking about everything else. The sacrifice. The bodily effects. The actual making of the human life form. Men get to claim 50% of the DNA, but they can only claim 0.01% of the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:48 PM
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The examples I gave apply to men today. If I wanted to make a case for misogyny in Roman Empire times I would use different examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:46 PM
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You are the first person who I have ever seen use this term. That’s because there is no online equivalent of “foid.” The term is SO much more pervasive than “moid” that it is kind of hilarious that you think you have an argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:45 PM
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Famously, yes. Ever heard of Jesus Christ?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:44 PM
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It’s because men won’t stop harassing, raping, and murdering us actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:43 PM
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That article says nothing about POLICY within companies that address DEI. It’s only language and the way they frame their values. And that’s because what MOST institutions do is ONLY talk about their values. There is no actual policy. There wasn’t really this policy to begin with—it was the rhetoric that anti-DEI people hated the most. They could do almost nothing about changing policy because there was no policy to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:43 PM
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Depends on what “live minimalist” actually means. If you’re talking about a guy who doesn’t have a lot of things, lives a simple life, and doesn’t spend crazy money on anything—I just don’t see those men being a target of any notable societal-wide ridicule. In fact, besides the crazy billionaires who seem obsessed with the birth rate and therefore disprove of the ethos of the MGTOW movement, I don’t see many people at all doing anything that would constitute “patriarchal oppression.” Disproval a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:40 PM
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Male contribution to physically creating human life is 0.01% and women’s is 99.99%.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:32 PM
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Semantics. There is no equivalent to “foid” for men. No one says “male humanoid.” I will ask again: do you think “foid” is simply a criticism and not blatant misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:11 PM
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In your case, privilege = access to sex from random men. Sorry, but that’s not a real privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:10 PM
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? I didn’t say female humanoid. I am talking about the extremely common term “foid” that is used to describe women in online male spaces. There is no online equivalent of “foid” that applies to men. No one says “female humanoid” or “male humanoid”. They do say “foid” though. Maybe don’t play dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:28 AM
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How did you take a post about all of the ways men are misogynistic and flip it into “we live in a matriarchy”?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:27 AM
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You think “foid” is a criticism and not blatant misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:21 AM
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So you think that my examples of misogyny are actually examples of criticism? You think that men who call women “foids” are just “criticizing” them? You think men who harass women on the street are just “criticizing” them? Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:21 AM
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But for American men, they should be relieved, right? Because Trump ended DEI?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:12 AM
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I thought Trump ended DEI?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:01 AM
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Women’s freedom was built on blood, civil unrest, and mobilization. They aren’t taking men’s jobs. They’re getting paid for work they’ve always done, or for work they have every right to pursue. Women who raise the bar for their own lives also have every right to do so. There is no moral obligation for women to pair up with men that YOU deem are on her level. That’s for the man and her to decide. Everything you said proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:00 AM
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Everything is a losing strategy for 99.99% of men. That doesn't mathematically make sense, and you know it's not true. That's true for any woman even in places where you're told you can approach. You're missing the point, despite the fact that this isn't even true. Randomly soliciting a woman for her number anywhere is a bad strategy. You have to be in social situations where you are naturally getting to know women. That could be as simple as a house party. A run club. A movie with friends. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:22 AM
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When you buy a car that requires a monthly subscription for heated seats that are already in the car, you are rewarding the manufacturer for nickel-diming you Even in this description, "reward" is not the proper word. You are paying money for a service that you want--the service could be stupid and you could be getting ripped off, but you're still exchanging monies for service. There's also the parallel of "options". You could get a car that has heated seats without extra cost, but maybe that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:14 PM
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It’s not about where. It’s about WHEN. Once again, not to beat a dead horse, but randomly trying to talk to a stranger you know nothing about and thinking you’d be a good match for a date is crazy thinking and a losing strategy for 99.99% of men. You don’t know if she’s single, straight, an appropriate age, or looking to date at all. That doesn’t even include other things like if she seems like someone you would actually enjoy being around. You cannot determine these things by looking at a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:48 PM
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That implies we are a meritocratic society, where behavior leads to outcomes justified by the nature of the behavior. We are not a meritocratic society, despite the propaganda saying otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:29 PM
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Because you CAN do it in bars if the CIRCUMSTANCE is right. A bar as a location doesn’t automatically mean you can cold approach. It’s the cold approach that is the issue, more so than the location. If you can’t understand this nuance, you will never have success with women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:28 PM
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It’s not about where. It’s about when. But places where this “when” is more likely to be achieved could be a lot traditionally social environments: parties, social hangs, clubs, hobby groups, bars, volunteer events, singles events, concerts, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:05 PM
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I take issue with the word “reward”. Women aren’t using their romantic attention to punish or reward men. They are attracted to men who are attractive. This makes sense. Why should women be attracted to men who they don’t like? And if you’re a man who has qualities she doesn’t like, her ignoring you isn’t a punishment—it’s a logical outcome of the circumstances. Of course men who are more outgoing and make more moves are more likely to attract more women. Mathematically they are putting themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:40 PM
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What do you do if the personality makes him more physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:05 AM
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Say what? I’m not trying to be cryptic. Stop cold approaching women and start warm approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:33 AM
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A bar is a good place to do this if the circumstances in the bar are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:33 AM
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What does that have to do with what I wrote? You’re only proving my point that you someone can’t think of any occasion where it’s socially acceptable to meet new women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:21 PM
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Singles events are obviously designed for men to talk to women. Even if they’re in a group. Your imagination is very bad. You really can’t think of ANY occasion where men and women can meet each other and it’s not just men randomly cold approaching strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 10:18 PM
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That's correct. That's why bars aren't always a good place to pick up girls. Bars are mainly places where friends hang out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:40 PM
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It’s all about social kills my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:31 PM
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The wording is interesting. “Expect to have kids” in the future. Anyways, to answer your original question based on this data, we can surmise the women on this sub are more inclined to not want children than the national average. We can also surmise that not every woman on this sub is in the same category as the women surveyed in the study. Lastly, the women on this sub defending abortion and women not having kids are not necessarily of the belief that they themselves should have abortions or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:26 PM
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Which sexual revolution? If you’re implying that one is uniquely happening now, I will point to the many other decades pre-dating the 21st century where people were hooking up left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:07 PM
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Men don’t even want to raise them, let alone have the fortitude to withstand pregnancy even if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:03 PM
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Is it a majority of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:01 PM
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I will reiterate that cold approaching is a losing strategy for 99.99% of men. That has nothing to do with how strong you come on. That’s just reality. Furthermore, if she thinks you’re “platonic” after a long time, it’s not because you didn’t come on strong enough. It’s because she was never into you and was never going to be into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:00 PM
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It’s because it depends on the situation. If a group of girls are all hanging out at a bar, talking just to each other, clearly not there to talk to other people—that is not the time to insert yourself. That is called just bothering people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:55 PM
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Not an extremist, just making a point about the mixed messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:41 PM
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Um…why do you think you can’t do what I described in bars and clubs?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:11 PM
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Self worth = confidence!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:56 PM
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You CAN do whatever you want. You won’t succeed hardly at all though. But if chances of success don’t matter to you, go for it. Cold approaching as many women as you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:55 PM
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Then let me clarify: men should only approach new women with platonic energy in social settings designed for strangers to meet. Only after connection is created should the man approach the woman with romantic intent. In other words, stop cold approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:54 PM
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If you just go up to a random woman and try to get her number, it’s a losing strategy. I don’t know what to tell you. If you want any chance at moving things towards romance, you have to establish a connection first. Are you saying there are no occasions that you can imagine where it’s normal to meet new people in an acceptable social setting?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:35 PM
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How do you initiate conversation with any stranger? If it’s a weird time to do so with a man, don’t do it with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:56 PM
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When: after we actually know something about each other, have demonstrated good chemistry, and interest in repeat interactions. Mutually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:46 PM
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Isn’t this exactly what men wanted though? Women who were crazy about them? Super attracted to them? The best she’s ever had… Whenever I talk about my man, who doesn’t meet the “requirements” that men here claim that all women want, I’m told that I’m just lying about my attraction to him or are a one in a million unicorn, where there can’t possibly be other women like me. We are told here that the worst thing a woman can do is settle for a man, especially when she’s “used up”. That she is lying …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:42 PM
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You know that “just get over it” is not advice that anyone is giving. Finding contentment single, finding purpose outside of a relationship, these are all good goals to have. That is not the same as “just get over it.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:21 PM
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It’s still good advice. Doesn’t matter the circumstances of who says it. You’re someone who found community, which led to a relationship. You could easily advise another man to do the same if that man is struggling to find a relationship. And that man could make your exact argument and say “it’s harder when you’re stuck in a rural town and there isn’t much going on.” And they’d be right. But the advice is still good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:21 PM
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Sure, it's my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:46 AM
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Women’s aren’t high enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:02 AM
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Men also don’t believe women when they say they’re attracted to their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:00 AM
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I’m just confused over how 5” is somehow both average and small at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:05 PM
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I feel like this entire thread is just men admitting to the very thing they’ve complained to us they are paranoid about—being with a partner who you don’t really feel ultimately sexual attraction towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:57 PM
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That’s just your theory. My theory is that is has stopped a lot of men from approaching, many of whom include men who have no clue that they’re being scumbags. You think the men all know they’re being scumbags? Absolutely not. In fact, you’re probably actively friends with men who have been scumbags to women, you just don’t know it, and they act like they’re one of the good ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:50 PM
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When we say we don’t want men approaching, it’s because scumbags keep approaching up. So your issue isn’t with women, it’s with the scumbags. If THEY didn’t harass women, we wouldn’t have to have our guard up all the time. If most of the people who romantically approached you did so in an unwanted way, you’d want people to stop approaching you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:14 AM
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People who are perfectly fine not having sex in a relationship are outliers to the extreme, and you know it. Also, old people have tons of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:54 AM
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Yes it is interesting when you take sex off the table, it’s sort of like you’re not in a relationship, isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:19 AM
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That is what men want though. Otherwise, you’d just be friends, and you’d be happy just being friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:09 AM
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There IS community in developed societies, I have no idea what compels you to deny reality. It’s not EASY but it’s still a great way to address loneliness. It’s not a substitute, as I’ve reiterated, but it HELPS. Fucking women doesn’t change how much having community benefits you, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:37 PM
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You literally said “it’ll be horrible, friends or no friends.” those are your words. And why would you think that the advice is to pursue infrequent and inconsistent platonic interaction? Obviously the advice is to pursue frequent and consistent platonic interaction. That’s what a community is. And yes, It makes a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:15 PM
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While there are broader cultural stereotypes that we use to generally describe a nation’s people, I’m not sure you can get any more specific with answering a “where” question based on personality. You can answer a “where” question for interests, like hobby groups, and even for religion (such as “in church”) or politics. But for things like what you’re asking for, I’m not sure it’s really possible to filter by location for these specific personality traits. Women like what you’re looking for are …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:24 PM
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They don’t even understand when you make the “man hitting on a man” analogy to get just a shred of understanding of how women feel when a man hits on them that they have zero interest in. They always say “it’s different because I’m not attracted to men.” And it’s like…”when you approached me, I wasn’t attracted to YOU.” And they still don’t understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:50 PM
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That’s so true. They love to spout that one statistic about younger men not approaching women, as if it’s some sort of tragedy. They forget that most of our first times getting sexually harassed by men happened in our childhood. We don’t want that shit from anybody now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 05:00 PM
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There’s a difference between a woman not liking men and women not finding a man who she wants to date. I spent years searching for my person while not dating a single soul. Wasn’t because I didn’t like men. I was just really picky. You can’t claim that someone doesn’t like an entire gender just because they haven’t found someone they want to share their life with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:21 PM
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What does men not approaching women have to do with that? I think it’s great men have slowed that approach since it never really worked to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:16 PM
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This is a great example of the discourse, so thank you for proving my point. It’s extremely easy to say that dating apps make finding romance easier for women than for men. But dating apps aren’t easy for women. Compared to men, they’re easier. But when you are using a product, you’re not comparing it to men’s experiences. You’re just experiencing it. And the apps suck for a lot of women. They’re not fun. It’s draining. The conversations suck. It’s a huge time waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:03 PM
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We actually don’t know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:15 AM
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Then why do so many women hate dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:05 AM
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Why is that, do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:57 PM
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The fact that you think friends or no friends makes no difference is exactly why men are so fucking lonely. Obviously there are standards that actually are separated from attraction. But you understand that the 666 rule is like the smallest minority of women, right? Most women have no idea what that is. You’re taking the most extreme examples of standards, which is only disproving your own point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:54 PM
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It’s not a substitute, I never said it was. But without it, romantic loneliness is way harder than it needs to be. Part of how women are able to thrive without men and without sex is because of their social circle of support. Community is everything. Men have this tendency to think that a relationship will be a substitute for community. This is a false hope. Also, standards and attraction are absolutely linked. They are not that distinct at all. I’m attracted to men who are highly educated and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 04:37 AM
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Why does that leave men not being good enough as the only other source? Why are the two options only women’s standards are too high or men are genetic failures? You can’t make a woman like a man she doesn’t like. You can’t force her to lower her standards for attraction. It’s also not her fault for having them. You can have whatever standards you want. Men are free to sort women much more than they currently do, but because they are desperate, they do not. Women, to no fault of their own, are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:19 AM
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See, here is a great example. I never said any of the things you quoted. My sympathy towards men doesn’t look like this, as I demonstrated. But you automatically equated my disagreement of the solution with lack of sympathy and downright dismissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:17 PM
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I’m not following what your point is based on my what I wrote. It is true that men are struggling romantically. That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m saying that the solution is what we disagree on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:10 PM
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I think a lot of men here confuse sympathy with “we agree on the solution.” I have lots of sympathy for men. I acknowledge that a lot of men are struggling. A lot of men are lonely. A lot of men need help. But when the solution to male loneliness becomes “women need to give more men chances” or “women need to lower their standards” or “women need to use their vaginas to punish and reward men based on their behavior”…then I push back. A lot of times, this pushback is seen as lack of sympathy, whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:12 PM
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I have never met a man who has no boundaries, no standards, who says yes to anything I want. Neither have you or anyone else here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:18 PM
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There are no men like that who exist. You just described a fictional person. Not a single one of these examples is embodied in a real human man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:21 PM
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Power and competence are not the same thing. I’d much rather have a man who is competent than powerful. I’d rather a man do chores well without me asking than a man who is someone’s boss. I’d rather a man know how to function well on his own than a man who owns a lot of things. Incompetence is an attraction killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:23 PM
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Wouldnt date? Nah, women do that plenty. Women generally won’t sleep with men they don’t LIKE. While men seem to be perfectly fine with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:44 PM
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How is it that every woman you know has been sexually harassed but you seem to believe men who sexually harass are so rare? There are far more men than you think who are guilty. Most women who have been sexually harassed have had their first experiences when they were younger than teenagers. Children. Now tell us that this experiences can’t shape our perspectives of male sexuality. UNWANTED male sexuality is unwanted. Don’t sexually harass us and don’t do shit without our consent. It’s that simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:43 PM
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By your logic, OP, sexually harassment has no reason to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:19 PM
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We can only imagine where OP is getting his data…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:34 PM
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No one should believe the statistics reporting men who admit they have assaulted or raped someone. The percentage of offenders will be MUCH higher than what is reported. Why would a man admit he has assaulted or harassed someone? It is extremely likely that you personally know multiple men who are guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:48 PM
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What do you mean that male violence statistics are overstated? I also want to bring up the phenomenon of victims vs perpetrators. Almost every woman you know has been sexually harassed, assaulted, or raped. Literally almost every single one. But almost every single man you know doesn’t sexually harass, assault, or rape women. So what is happening? Part of what is happening is that there are MANY MORE men who you know who are guilty than you know. They do not admit it or even recognize that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:34 PM
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They do the same with hotness correlating with asshole-ness. They use language to imply that all hot guys are assholes and all ugly or average guys are nice. Sorry, but a LOT of hot guys are really friendly and good people and a LOT of ugly/average guys are terrible relationship material and not nice people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:03 PM
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It’s not hypocrisy because the immediate romantic interests of men are irrelevant to the immediate economic rights of women. There is no such thing as a romantic right. These two situations are not the same. Therefore it is not hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:58 AM
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I repeat: slight deviation from the norm is not a death sentence. You can absolutely find women who do find sex with a slightly below average dick pleasurable. How can anyone answer “how many” women? No one can. It’s useless to try to identify a number. You only make yourself needlessly depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:23 AM
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Again, these are two different issues. If you want to have a separate conversation on why you think women are less valuable to companies because SOME of them have to leave TEMPORARILY for raising kids, we can have that conversation. But not here. So you want to force women to date men they don’t like? Sounds like a great plan, man. Good luck to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:20 AM
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It’s only bad if you SIGNIFICANTLY deviate from the norm. You do not. Doesn’t mean you’re immune from having bad experiences or will never meet a woman who cares. But you’re not in a range where you are “doomed.” Your goal isn’t to have sex with every woman on the planet is it? There are plenty of women for whom your size is great. Average is great. A slight deviation from average is not a death sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:12 AM
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By your logic, no one should be owned a chance to have a successful career if it violates the immediate interests of others I'm not talking about interests. I'm talking about autonomy. And I'm not talking about taxes or government. I'm talking about women's dating preferences. But you can't make the argument that women are obligated to date you if they don't want to. How will you obligate them to do this without violating their autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:39 PM
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No one owns you a chance to have a successful career. In fact, the government does. As a tax payer, there are certain protections the government owes you as someone who pays taxes that help to create equitable circumstances, as per our Constitution. This is still besides the point, because these are still two different topics. And I wonder if you'll ever be able to argue this topic without comparing two completely different situations. Not being able to find a date objectively worsens your quali…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:12 PM
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You’re just comparing them because it helps your argument, not because it actually makes sense to compare them. What inherent right do humans have to give people a chance to prove themselves romantically? This makes no sense. Just because you want something doesn’t make it a right. You can come up to me and ask me on a date. For no reason at all, I can say no, and reject you. I have not committed any moral atrocity by doing so. Your rights have not been violated either. I have zero obligation, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:17 PM
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I have opinions, and I don’t believe women’s vaginas should be arbiters of morality. It’s all well and good though because they are not. Whether you want them to be or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:14 PM
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Like meet up groups, social clubs, friendship based apps, and speed dating events?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:38 PM
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How is it as much a right if workers rights are about economic interests and romantic attention is about desires? By your own description, they are not the same. It doesn’t matter how much you compare them. Just because two people want two different things does not make those things comparable. Women do not owe men romantic attention. Women’s vaginas are not arbiters of morality. They should not be, they cannot be, they simply are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:28 PM
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No, you wish for a thing that is irrelevant to justice to be an arbiter or morality because you simply feel emotions. Your emotions are overriding your logic. It doesn’t matter what your feelings are. Women’s vaginas factually are not, should not, and cannot be arbiters of morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:26 PM
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That is factually incorrect what you say about employing more women. The data is very clear on that. Women have also always worked. They’ve just been uncompensated for it. But again, it is irrelevant. Economic opportunity is something the government owes its tax paying citizens. Romantic attention is not something that can be owed. It doesn’t matter how much better an individuals life gets with it. It doesn’t matter if you pay taxes to the government or not. It doesn’t matter if you’re Jesus Chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:51 PM
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It’s the employers who implement these quotas too you know. They have their own internal policies. And even if the government did force them to have a quota (there are very few examples of this), the rights of an employer is IRRELEVANT to a man’s romantic loneliness. An employer pays an employee to do a service that makes them money in turn. Men do no such thing for women directly in any way that should grant them some owed treatment romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:37 PM
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Yes, tax payers are owed a service from their government because they have paid for it in their taxes. That is literally what taxes are. The argument you are using is lazy anyways. Women’s vaginas are not arbiters of morality because that is not their function—whether they care about morality in who they pick or not is irrelevant to this fact. You WISH women would use their vaginas to dole out justice like the tax payer funded government. But facts don’t care about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:30 PM
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What does a gender quota at a place of work have to do with women giving romantic attention to men? Do you consider romantic attention something that should be regulated by a governmental body or corporation?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:27 PM
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Women’s vaginas are not the arbiters of morality. They’re not the judicial system. Romantic attention is not owed, therefore it’s not relevant to fairness. Other things are owed, and the government has an obligation to step in—things that you mentioned in another comment, such as economic inequality and racism and human rights. To compare a tax payer’s governmental obligation to protect its citizens to a woman’s vagina is…crazy work on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:02 PM
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You’re “logic pill.” Think this one out. What do these men want that they’re not getting? Romantic attention from women. If women solve this problem, it means that they start giving men the romantic attention they want. The problem is that most women currently do not want to do this for most men because they do not like most men this way. That means that if women solve the problem, they are giving romantic attention to men when they do not want to. This is hardly a solution. In its darkest form,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:36 PM
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Because men like to pretend like they have a moral high ground by bringing up other men’s issues, because they know that romantic loneliness isn’t as urgent of an issue as other things, despite it being the only thing they REALLY care about. Also because women shouldn’t actually solve this problem for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:41 AM
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We “realize” it, in the sense that we are aware that it sucks. We can’t do anything to change their circumstances. We can only say that it sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:02 AM
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No men they’re interested in. That’s already happening. So they’re just staying single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:01 AM
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What about people who are in long term relationships who aren’t planning on having kids? Kids aren’t always a factor, especially nowadays. Men are welcome to opt out if they think women aren’t worth it. It’s just that clearly they think they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:44 PM
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What do you mean “what if?” It doesn’t change that the individual woman does not have a moral obligation to give any individual man romantic attention. There is no “societal” way that an individual woman gives a man romantic attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:33 PM
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Again, separate issues. So you too believe that women have a moral obligation to give men romantic attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:31 PM
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Is it bad though? Is less married people objectively a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:50 PM
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What about if the men in question consider the pinnacle of men’s issues to be romantic loneliness?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:38 PM
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This is the argument of somebody who absolutely believes that women have a moral obligation to give romantic attention to men. If you truly did not believe that women have this obligation, then you would not tie other human behaviors to the same philosophy. Treating someone with respect is a separate matter from giving someone romantic attention. Standing up for people who are being mistreated is a positive social good separate from the topic of romantic attention. The irony of this entire argum…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:34 PM
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“Feels”.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:18 PM
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For who?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:06 AM
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Men can do a LOT to make themselves attractive to a woman, both physically and interpersonally. A lot of men don’t do much at all, or THINK they do, but their effort is actually pretty pitiful. I’ve seen thousands of male dating profiles. 80% of them are garbage. Car selfies. Glaring photos. Ratty Tshirts. Fucking covid masks. Out of the men who actually do shit to make themselves attractive, only some of them are actually successful. Sometimes that’s because the man in question is TERRIBLE at k…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:51 AM
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Gossip? Well I love a juicy gossip. Bully—that’s a totally different thing and not acceptable. Making fun of people is not acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:40 PM
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It’s not a compliment when a man will fuck you out of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:46 PM
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Are you serious? This is such a classic exchange on this sub. Man complains about women. When asked what the realistic solution is, man suggests a hilarious idea that won’t actually work. Conclusion: men want to complain and expect women to solve their problems for them. Getting a trusted male family member involved is a terrible idea. In my own family, for example, the only male family member I am close enough to open up to is my grandpa who is 95 years old and definitely is not someone who I’d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 01:55 PM
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What should women do then? According to you? Not be pickier but also “select” better. How does one do that simultaneously?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:57 AM
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Ah, so really what you’re saying is women should lower their standards so virtually no men are left behind? And you think this will result in “better mate selection”?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:41 PM
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If women aren’t good at mate selection, then they should be pickier, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:09 PM
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100%! Women need to raise their standards!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:29 AM
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But the OP isn’t arguing that whether or not men SHOULD date younger women. He’s arguing that it’s the natural end result of whatever dating woes he can think of. And I’m arguing not whether men SHOULD date way younger women. I’m arguing that it’s not a viable solution because most young women aren’t going to be attracted to men who are a lot older than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:27 AM
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What we’re discussing is men dating much younger women and how that’s not a real solution. The goal seems to be to improve men’s lives, in this conversation, in which case men should just do what they need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:22 PM
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Sorry, when you say “man flu”, do you just mean…men who get the flu?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:32 PM
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Why would OC think their opinion applies to all people? You already know the answer. We all know the answer. So why ask it other than to try to prove some point about women who choose career?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:46 AM
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I don’t see how that matters. If you want to improve your life, you just do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:45 AM
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Do you even ask this question with genuine intention?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:24 AM
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Men can leave relationships whenever they want, and they don’t have to get permission to do it. Is it your own life you want to improve or do you just want to win the rhetoric war?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:22 AM
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Women’s complaints about men don’t just come from random places. So to say they “just don’t really like men,” as if it’s some randomly occurring phenomenon that we have zero understanding of is not really a genuine read of the situation. Women don’t like when the solution to the male loneliness epidemic is for them to lower their standards or somehow transform who they’re attracted to. That’s why the only solution is for men to meet women’s standards. There is no other option, literally. And you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:58 AM
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Old. Is. Relative. He could be talking about “older”, but to a young woman, that is just OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:07 PM
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What? When I say it’s for the man to decide, I mean it is the man’s decision whether the woman who is dating him is worth his time. In exactly the same way, it is the woman’s decision whether the man she is dating is worth her time. How is this falling onto the man’s responsibility in both scenarios? It’s not. It’s up to both people to figure out what their own standards are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:06 PM
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That’s for the man to decide. If he does not feel that the woman is adding to his life, then he can break up with her, or simply not date women who don’t meet this standard. The problem with getting an accurate number on this is that toms of men constantly settle just to have access to sex. They would rather have sex with a woman they don’t like than have no sex at all. That’s problem you men need to figure out amongst yourselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:09 PM
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It’s not a misrepresentation. He’s in denial that very young women see many men older than them as OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:07 PM
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The title of his post is “men dating younger women may be the only option left.” Men ALREADY date younger women. Which means he means “younger” beyond what is considered “normal.” That means that we are talking of age gaps that are so large that the women look at the older men and CALL THEM OLD. I used the word “old” because that’s how younger women see older men past a certain age. It was completely intentional, and it’s a repudiation of OP’s idea that “younger” women will somehow be attracted …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:58 PM
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Oh so you think OP is talking about 30 vs 25 year olds when he talks about older men dating younger women? No, you don’t. Because no one interpreted his post that way. Which makes your comment disingenuous. Women ALREADY date men who are older than them. Why bring up “older” if you don’t mean significantly older? As in…a young woman considering a man way older than her as OLD. Because it is RELATIVE.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:48 PM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:45 PM
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Then you don’t know what women do, say, or want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 06:00 PM
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Yeah, and to a 20 year old, a 40 year old is OLD. Old is relative. Do I need to repeat that again? Old is relative. Stop using YOUR definition of old and start thinking of old as a RELATIVE word.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:59 PM
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I didn’t misrepresent anything. Would you like to put out some actual numbers to prove me wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:33 PM
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You actually wouldn’t know. Women don’t talk to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:32 PM
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“Old” is relative. Women already on average date “older” men, just not that much older. To a 20 year old, a 40 year old is old. You’re welcome to put in some actual numbers if you want to get specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:07 PM
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It’s not a trope. It’s true. Most women you know have rejected some man at some point because of some part of his personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:51 PM
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I mean, as a woman on this sub, I’m constantly bombarded by men who claim that if I don’t actively seek to address male issues then I’m not a good feminist or male ally. So it’s just interesting to be told that we don’t know what the problem is to be fixed when men here don’t stop talking about everything that encapsulates male issues. Maybe YOU don’t know what they are but the other men on this sub seem extremely clear about it. Of course, the number one issue for them (whether they say it out …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:49 PM
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That doesn’t answer my question at all. If anything, you just insulted her intelligence. And you made yourself look like a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:40 PM
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Good for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:31 PM
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How is a mean message NOT insulting?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:31 PM
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Yes, we are happier when our men actually improve our life. What a shocker.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:25 PM
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What are you suggesting? That we don’t find a solution because the “cultural evolution” machine doesn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:23 PM
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I agree, men have to become better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:20 PM
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Who said anything about deep emotional connection? I said “doesn’t want.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:00 PM
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Popular, yes. A solution? Hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:00 PM
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Depends on how you define pleasure. Plenty of men literally find pleasure in paying for women’s lifestyles. It’s unlikely that the man you approach will be one of those people. It’s also unlikely that the woman you approach will want to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:58 PM
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What makes you think younger women will want old men en masse? Most young women find the average old man gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:48 PM
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I didn’t. I started with a comment to the OP making an analogy. And then I said that if one person doesn’t want to have sex with another person, that’s a situation where sex is not pleasurable for one party. That is the first time I made an absolutist statement, and that is because it’s true. Would you like to debate the OP subject or are you only interested in semantics?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:41 PM
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Oh, I was close to agreeing with you until you started bringing up AI girlfriends as an actual solution to the male loneliness epidemic. I love splitting the cost of dates with my guy, and I am happy to have a very financially egalitarian relationship. But women like me are not attracted to men who say things like what you just said, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:17 PM
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The fact that I’m acknowledging exceptions means I’m not talking in absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:09 PM
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Let me put it another way for you to understand: men would rather have sex with someone they don’t like than not have any sex at all; women would rather not have sex than have it with someone they don’t like. Are there exceptions? Sure. But men have made it abundantly clear that they don’t have to like or be attracted to a woman in order to decide that it’s worth having sex with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:04 PM
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This is what happens when you think all women morally must have the same views, or else they are “contradictory”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:37 PM
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Because men have no issue having sex with women they don’t like. And women are not like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:32 PM
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Ok and? Men want someone they don’t have and no one can force the people they want to like them back. Nowhere did I say men had to be happy about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:30 PM
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They lack horny men lusting after them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:35 AM
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I dont think romantic attention can be deserved by anyone. That’s called entitlement. Women DO receive more romantic attention than men. But not because they deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:18 AM
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And there’s nothing inherently pleasurable about having sex with a stranger who comes up to you on the street. And in many cases, that could be simply unpleasant. Much more unpleasant than paying for someone’s nails.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:30 AM
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It is when one person doesn't want to have sex with a total stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:05 AM
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The truth is that if men all got sex as much as they wanted, none of the stats you listed about suicide, education, or crime would even be mentioned by that many men at all. The root of their frustration is lack of romantic attention, as they’ve made clear over and over again by the things they’ve told us. That’s why this issue is so hard to fix. Many men bring up “men’s issues” disingenuously because they know that just complaining about lack of romantic attention doesn’t look good, and there’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:30 PM
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“Hello stranger man, would you like to pay for my next nail appointment so my nails look pretty for you?” “Um, why would I do that? No thanks.” “Alright no problem!” If this is weird to you, then asking for sex in this way is a hundred times weirder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:26 PM
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How is that circular? If you’re not immediately attracted to a person physical until discovering a personality trait, then it is the personality trait that has made them attractive. Emotional things translate to physical things. Maybe not for YOU. But again, that’s why I say don’t speak for all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:56 PM
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Why do you put men into “hot” and “ugly” as your only two categories, then yeah, I can see you coming to that conclusion. If only men were in those two categories in reality…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:08 PM
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Same comment. It absolutely can make me horny. The thing you seem unable to grasp is CONTEXT. But I’m not going to bother going down that road because you seem only capable of absolutist thinking…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:06 PM
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Most of those life long companion traits DO turn me on. So…I don’t really separate them. In fact, that’s why sex with a LTR is way better for me than sex with a ONS. The ONS is only attracting me with physical traits. The LTR is attracting me with both physical traits AND these “logical” qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:01 PM
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It’s absolutist simple thinking. Red pill and black pill both suffer from this thought pattern. That’s why a lot of men complain that they were “tricked” by people saying they only need to be confident or kind. Where what people are really saying is that it HELPS to be confident and kind. It’s not like this singular trait guarantees you romantic success.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:59 PM
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What is “logically attractive”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:08 AM
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It’s not the ONLY thing required to be sexually attracted to someone obviously. If you’re nice but lack other qualities, it can make you not sexually attracted to a person. If you aren’t immediately attracted to someone, their goodness can absolutely make them sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:08 AM
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As a woman, I vehemently disagree. I absolutely find goodness sexually attractive. Don’t speak for all of us, ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:18 AM
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Okay, so it sounds like you're doing what you have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:36 AM
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It’s so incredibly common for men to bring up being single as an issue akin to abortion access or murder—and then propose a solution that genuinely is just “women need to pick men more”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:29 PM
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What can you think of to do that will result in meeting new people? What have you looked up online that occurs in your area? Also, what hobbies do you have or what areas of life are you interested in? Music? Volunteering? Animals? Nature? Art? Etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:20 PM
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I think bars aren’t going to be very useful unless you’re there with a big group of friends. How old are you? Do you live in a big city or a small town? Are you working? Do you have friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:13 PM
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Agreed that cold approaches are a losing strategy for 99.99% of men. Are you proactive in your social life? How many social things do you do generally? If you don’t want to do the apps, that’s the best way to meet women in an organic way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:56 PM
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Well, there is a nugget of truth and the things those people are telling you. I think many of us would agree that a bad relationship is worse than just being single. Unless you’re someone who enjoys conflict, bad relationships can be the most soul sucking horrible experiences of many people‘s lives. But good relationships do greatly improve your life, and I think many of us would agree that those relationship relationships are preferable to being single. You’re absolutely right though. You have …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:14 PM
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Oh I don’t deny you got told to be nice as a kid. We all got told that. I just deny that you got told explicitly that by having ONE quality, you are GUARANTEED romantic success. Or look—maybe you did. But eventually you grow up. Teenagers learn that nothing is guaranteed. If you didn’t figure that out, I still think this is on you for not growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:04 AM
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Is a Reddit comment a lived experience? Because if you look at a comment and I look at the same comment, and we come to vastly different conclusions, then one of us is not interpreting it correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:47 AM
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Not what I see with my eyeballs on this app every day. I see people responding to the OP’s issues as best they can with the information given. Hardly EVER do l see people making blanket statements like “looks don’t matter at all” or “confidence guarantees success”. It happens—just not enough to give an excuse to men who believe they were hoodwinked.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:46 AM
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Every woman knows at least three other women who have rejected men for being assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:38 AM
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You quoted a theoretical top comment, but top comments do not say this. I grew up in a liberal rich county on the west coast and now I live in a liberal rich county on the east coast. I simply don’t believe you are telling an unbiased recounting of things. Based on your fake quote from above, I have no reason to believe you’re a reliable narrator.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:35 AM
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the kind and confidence slogan on Reddit is so rarely “the only thing you need is kindness and confidence and literally nothing else.” Often, especially with confidence, the commenters are responding to an obvious lack of confidence in the OP and are suggesting that this is something he may be lacking. It is so RARELY framed as the end all be all solution to anyone’s dating problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:19 PM
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There have not been enough women who have insisted that the only thing that women care about is confidence and kindness for as many men as you claim to believe this to be true. Even if the only media you commune are Reddit dating subs, you still cannot make this claim. This is much like the personality versus looks debate. You have countless men on the Internet falsely claiming that women have all been telling them that looks don’t matter at all. When the reality is that women have been saying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:10 PM
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This is so different from beauty expectations though. That commenter is explaining this concept in an extremely absolutist way. Unless they are autistic, it seems very silly to believe that the possession of a single personality trait will automatically result in a relationship with a whole other human being with a complex mixture of personality traits, values, and goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:33 PM
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There are plenty of reasons men don't get any women. Being a misogynist could be one of them, or not. Being ugly could be one of them, or not. Being an emotional vampire could be one of them or not. That's because sex is not a reward, and women's vaginas are not the arbiters of morality. And yeah, your experience isn't invalid, but it's not the sole truth. Just because you've seen things with your biased perspective doesn't mean other realities don't exist. Plenty of men do actually get rejected…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:33 PM
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we are often told we fail due to our moral failings Such as? Meanwhile, I think most men would agree the biggest, most blatant misogynists irl are the ones that are never alone Perception bias. You just think that because you're looking for it. Meanwhile, women see tons of misogynistic assholes who have horrible success with women. So yeah. We 'focus on the abusers', because they are the ones women reward with their actions This statement is only true if you believe women's vaginas are arbiters …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:06 PM
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If this is how you feel, then I highly suggest that you don’t even bring up abusers in these kinds of conversations. It is irrelevant. There is no logical reason why you should be focusing on that particular group of men based on everything that we have said. It seems like it would be more prudent to explain your life, your circumstances, what your social life is like, what your relationship history is like, and then ask what you can do to have greater success with women from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:17 PM
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Do you wanna do some examples? OK, i am 5’8”. I find it difficult to be attracted to men who are shorter than me. Do you think that I should try to trick myself into being attracted to men who are shorter than me? Here’s another one. I want a man who is self-sufficient financially. I personally make a lot of money. He doesn’t have to make as much money as me, and my boyfriend makes about half as much money as me. But if he worked a low paying blue-collar job, and had completely different life ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:12 PM
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If you would date shitty women, then you already have your answer. It’s clearly not about them being shitty. And if it’s not about them being shitty, then it’s worthless to talk about abusers at all, which is the exact point of my first comment. Clearly being worse does not stop someone from wanting to date someone, so rather than focus on men you don’t want to emulate, why don’t you focus on men you DO want to emulate? The “good guys”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:00 PM
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Of course it sounds like a strawman to YOU. You’re the one suggesting it. What else is happening when a woman “adjustments standards downward” if not that she starts to date men she doesn’t actually like? You can lower the bar for entry, but it doesn’t change how you feel about that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:52 PM
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What’s the difference between you dating shitty women, hoping to fix them, and then breaking up with them after bad behavior and all the women you criticize for doing exactly the same thing with shitty men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:50 PM
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Bro, your answer for the male loneliness epidemic is for women to fuck men they don’t like. You don’t get to ask for a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:38 PM
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Well as a virulent social dancer, I have never once experienced that. Perhaps you’re doing a dance that’s more heavily male. I’ve found that the ones that are more sexual in nature attract way more men. While things like swing and west coast and ballroom are heavily female.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:35 PM
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And yet there are countless examples that prove otherwise. Plus, the sheer amount of assholes that me and other women like me have rejected for being assholes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:34 PM
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This is what happens when you believe that women’s vaginas are arbiters of morality. They are not. It is not women’s job to dole out justice thru who they fuck. Women are not Batman, but you act like they are. You know who also gravitates towards shitty men? Shitty women. Interestingly, you act like you’re interested in attracting those women as well, as if you’d rather then date you than the abuser they’re with. This is not black and white. Men in relationships are not inherently better people …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:33 PM
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That’s on you, sorry. Most men do not have an issue understanding this concept. There are zero personality traits that work this way for any kind of relationship, platonic or romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:28 PM
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You act like “adjusting standards” is some thing that women do out of the goodness of her heart. WE DONT WANT TO FUCK MEN WE DONT LIKE. You don’t understand this because YOU are so desperate that you would fuck a woman you don’t like. We are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:26 PM
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There is no single personality trait that, in a vacuum, will always guarantee sex for every man. If you don’t understand that then…no one can really help you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:49 PM
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The answer to gender relations negatively affecting women is not for women to lower their standards and fuck men they don’t like. The answer the male loneliness epidemic is not for women to lower their standards and fuck men they don’t like. Men do that. Women do not. The answer is for men to stop fucking women THEY don’t like. Men would rather fuck a woman they don’t like than not fuck anyone at all. And that’s the crux of the problem. YOU inflate the market for women. YOU give women endless op…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:44 PM
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For one, dance lessons are famously heavily women. In a group of 20 people there could be maybe 6 men on a regular night unless you’re in a huge city. So I don’t know what OP is talking about there. Sounds like he tried one dance lesson once, didn’t immediately get a date, and then bailed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:38 PM
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I consume all of the content you mention and I have never once felt inclined to consistently go clubbing, think of the male species as evil, or be hyper sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:26 PM
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Women’s standards are not high enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:25 PM
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But why focus on abusers? If you have no interest in being an abuser, then there are PLENTY of men in happy relationships who are not abusers. Why not focus on what THEY are doing right that women are attracted to? Why is there such an obsession with abusers if not to make some point about women actually being attracted to the abuse itself? That is why OP’s question is not even in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:19 PM
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I never said anything of the sort. I’m arguing against the statement that OP made that the average man is alone and single his whole life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:17 PM
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Another day, another MRA using the word “discrimination” wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:21 AM
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Then why did you say in your last comment “why do we constantly hear about women encountering the same types of men”? If you believe that standards can help reduce th e risk, then you wouldn’t ask that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:25 PM
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Who determines that they’re similar levels of attractiveness? YOU? Lol that’s an opinion only. I don’t disagree that women on average have better social lives than men—that’s been studied and proven. I disagree with what you said in your OP, that the average man is single and lonely his whole life. That’s literally a falsehood. If you want to make a point, make it without saying something that’s completely fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:40 PM
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Because a lot of the bad behavior comes out before commitment happens. It comes out in the getting to know each other stage. You can’t eliminate bad experiences. You can GREATLY increase your chances of not ending up in a relationship with a bad match, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:37 PM
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And I’m saying that those men who behave badly are then filtered out by the women who have extremely high standards. So they become NOT options anymore. Having high standards makes it WAY less likely that you’ll be stuck with a bad match. The women who often get stuck with these guys don’t have high enough standards. The way forward is for men and women to collectively have higher standards. If that amounts in more unpaired people, that is preferable to what has happened before.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:43 AM
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You did make it clear that you think that filtering men results in men getting a “free pass”, which clearly means they have the option to be bad people. Bad experiences. Noncomittment. You framed that as a bad thing that these men get this “free pass” because you argue that women will increase the likelihood of encountering these men. So I don’t really buy what you’re saying. You did frame it as negative. You did blame women for creating these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:29 AM
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We completely agree on all of this. And as I’ve said, the result is already happening. More people are single. More women are swearing off men. More men are lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:56 AM
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Where did OP say this? If that’s what he meant, he should change the title to “men in this sub and average women in the real world do not live the same life.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:54 PM
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The average man does not spend his whole life single. That’s literally a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:13 PM
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You’re acting like all of these men who check my boxes will have all these women clamoring after them, allowing them be assholes to everyone with zero consequences. The problem with that assumption is that this would mean that we no longer share the same values. Someone who acts like an asshole because he thinks he can isn’t someone I’m attracted to anymore. So that eliminates that man from my dating pool too. So this idea that all these terrible men exist who check all these boxes isn’t really …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:12 PM
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Nobody is saying compatibility standards are bad. That's exactly what OP is saying. He is literally claiming that women expecting xyz from men before dating them is "anti-feminist". You can't complain about the pressure men feel to meet women's standards without complaining about the standards. If a large number of women want a man who is highly educated, financially successful, attractive, socially skilled, confident, well-traveled, emotionally intelligent, shares their politics, shares their v…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:57 PM
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Having high standards for looks doesn’t always result in preventing bad experiences. But having high standards for everything else absolutely does. For example, I’m highly educated, self sufficient, artistic, atheist, liberal, well travelled. It was important to me that I was with someone who was also highly educated, self sufficient, had curiosity about the arts, was not Christian, super liberal, and had some experiences beyond his own town. That narrows the pool quite a lot. I had to eliminate…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:23 PM
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Critics understand that some western women will be compatible with you, some won’t be. Passport bros have two bad experiences and think all women in that entire country are the same. We’re not comparing western women to women from other countries. You are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:05 PM
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Why do passport bros think all western women are a monolith?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:16 PM
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OP’s solution to wanting socialism is to ignore women who want absolutely nothing to do with him. I’m sure that will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:09 PM
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By OP’s logic: No romantic attention + mean words = the worst abuse and violence that could ever befall men. Murder, rape, forced pregnancy = chill, not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:53 PM
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Because men seem to prefer to have sex with a woman they don’t like than to not have sex with anyone. I already answered that. Also, jestermax is cringe af.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:51 PM
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It is completely feminist for women to require men to live up to certain standards before dating them. This is beneficial to women because having higher standards has allowed women to avoid men they’re not interested in. That could be men who are not good for relationships. That could be men who they’re not attracted to. Could be men who they’re simply not compatible with. Men would benefit by this too, except men seem to prefer to have sex with a woman they don’t like than to not have sex with …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 09:18 PM
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Considering gay men who act extremely feminine are not only majorly accepted in feminist circles, but praised for being themselves, I’d say your argument holds very little water.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 07:56 PM
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Yes I did see that part. Same comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:19 PM
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Read your whole post. Same comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:51 PM
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Not wanting to date someone is not necessarily a sign that that person doesn’t support “equality”. That’s not what equality means.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:38 PM
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I don’t know, in my experience, a lot of men hear my dating story and quick to downplay the initiative that I took and elevate the initiative that my boyfriend took, in an effort to prove your exact point. When in reality, it paints a picture of two people choosing each other, which is a much more nuanced story and much closer to reality for a lot of couples. And in between there were all kinds of back of forth initiations that either of us could have shut down at any point. I was not blind to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:41 PM
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Are you one of those men who thinks that average and ugly men in relationships are not truly loved by their partners despite all the evidence to the contrary? Like you think all those women are secretly unattracted to them and actually lying about how they feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:29 PM
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I have literally a dozen platonic male friends at least, and there is zero romantic feelings between us. Besides, you already move the goalpost in your body text. First it's men and women can't be fully platonic friends, then platonic friends apparently only counts if you hang out with them one on one, and if they're single. But either way, I absoutely have hung out one on one with platonic male friends with zero feelings between either of us, and in my general social circle, this is extremely c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:34 AM
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That's just cope. The reason a multitude of rape and sex trafficking charges were brought up against him is not because he has "enemies". It's because he is either is guilty of them, or he engaged in behaviors that were adjacent to them. This is not a smear campaign. Dozens of women have all separately come forward to accuse them .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:27 AM
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But see, you’re just proving my point. A picture on a social media platform is the perfect time to gas someone up. What you originally said was if a woman is complaining about not pulling a super hot guy while being obese, women should be “honest” and tell her the reason. Now you’re saying that an innocuous picture on its own isn’t even the right place to compliment someone, even if they’re not complaining. This is the problem with male loneliness. You’re so anal about these kinds of things that…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:42 PM
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An obese women asking for a male fitness model, "you go girl", "just manifest and its gonna happen", "dont lets anyone tell you you are not good enough". And then a few years later she is still fat and sad because there is still no male fitness model on her side. Much like how you claim "subhuman" isn't really a thing, I will counter by saying this type of woman isn't all that common. Women aren't stupid. An obese woman is extremely likely to know that she will struggle to get a male fitness mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:47 PM
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Source: trust me bro. The guy was arrested for sex trafficking. That’s NOT respectful or kind, believe it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:57 PM
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I did provide proof. The term “subhuman” is proof. The male loneliness epidemic is proof. You just didn’t accept the evidence. If a woman says that another woman is beautiful how she is, that’s not toxic positivity. That’s a supportive thing to say. That’s how you lift someone up. And women of all sizes don’t have many issues finding men. So it’s honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:56 PM
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Ok you can choose any other red pill poster boy then. They’re all pretty problematic. The ones who have millions and billions of views and speak about the red pill are NOT representative of the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:53 PM
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If the redpill poster boy is Andrew Tate, then I think you have your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:15 PM
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You’re in denial. Men who don’t even like women feel compelled to have sex because it gives them status. You know the term “subhuman?” That’s a term men gave to themselves to describe what having no success with women is like. So you think that if a compliment doesn’t apply to a man then it’s toxic positivity when a woman says it to another woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:14 PM
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This isn’t gender specific. You have tons of men also convinced they are morally superior to women. What tends to happen on this sub is that men will complain about women’s dating standards, and women will respond by insisting that it’s not their moral obligation to change that. Because it’s not. And then men will interpret this to mean that they think all men are trash and women are superior and men have to be perfect or they get rejected. Men tend to equate morality with sexual validation. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:49 PM
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lol men absolutely seek validation through sex. If they didn’t, this sub wouldn’t even exist. Incels wouldn’t exist. The manosphere wouldn’t exist. The male loneliness epidemic wouldn’t exist. Part of the reason men don’t get support from each other because of men like you who discourage it. Every time a man criticizes women supporting each other, another man reads it and realizes it’s bad to support his fellow man. So good job. You’re the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:43 PM
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Why even bother with the last statement if you’re not trying to be apologetic to the creepy men who give all men a bad name? Of course you’ve never observed cat calling. But we’re not talking about you. You wouldn’t notice because it didn’t happen to you. What a tone deaf thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:40 PM
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Yes, so perhaps men need to figure out how to support each other rather than relying on women to give them validation through sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:01 AM
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Never said “everyone”. Funny how you are confident enough to put something in quotes that you just made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:00 AM
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LOL you don't think men shit on each other? Men are terrified of coming across as gay because of how other men are so judgmental of each other. They don't share emotions with each other. Also, women date fat men. Tons of my girl friends are with fat men. But either way, I don't see what social propaganda for men has to with this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:37 AM
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Did i even remotely suggest that young boys aren't also objectified? I'm not talking about boys, I'm talking about girls, because that's the OC is talking about. If you grew up anywhere that wasn't in bumfuck nowhere with a population of 1,000, and you are a woman, you were VERY LIKELY objectified/sexually harassed as a child. For you to deny this is for you to deny the lived experience of MOST women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:33 AM
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In what company? Does every company contain men who work 4 hours more than the women in that company every week? No, of course not. This table does not prove that "the men in those companies work disproportionately harder to make things work." This table does not measure effort. It measures time. Those are not the same thing. And what does "make things work" event mean? What if a company has mostly female employees? What if a company has mostly male employees? You know what would be really suspi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:29 AM
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Again, the premise isn't that we do have absolute equality in all other aspects of society, its that we attempt to achieve equality in all other aspects, everyone accepts it, EXCEPT when it comes to dating. Then maybe you shouldn't start the title of your post with "Society is 'equal' everywhere". Regardless, we do not attempt to achieve equality in all other aspects of society. There are debates, just like this one, on what should change and what shouldn't. To say "everyone accepts" this is lud…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:24 AM
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So you only seem to want to argue that companies not discriminating against women is the same as women dating men they don’t like. I guess that’s it for this conversation. Pro tip: comparing civil rights to your dick not getting wet isn’t going to get you any sympathy points from the very people you’re trying to attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:38 PM
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Why do you keep making this terrible comparison where it does not apply? Whether women are a “risk” to the bottom line of some random company is UNRELATED to who they “give a chance” to romantically. The real point to argue is that it’s a bad solution for women to date men they don’t even like. It would be so convenient for men, wouldn’t it? To not have to be desirable for a woman to fuck them? But that’s a pretty shit deal for women. It’s time for men to stop blaming women for their singleness.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:21 PM
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Oh, so when I was 11 years old and cat called and followed on a public street, that was me playing into sexual objectification? Was I so beautiful as a child that men around me had no choice but to sexualize me? Why do we always talk about objectification like it’s all only fans and Instagram models? The first time a woman is objectified is when she is a CHILD. And trust me, basically 100% of women you know have been objectified as children. That’s where it starts. That’s the CORE of the objecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:13 PM
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Liberal societies support the RIGHTS of these women. You said that companies take risks hiring women at all, which is not only unbelievably ignorant economically AND morally—and that’s why I said that women being in the workforce is a benefit. Because you were making it seem like women would be completely out of the workforce if not for the “generosity” of men. It’s unrelated. As usual. Whether or not men are given “a chance” has nothing to do with workers rights. That’s my whole point. One is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:49 PM
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Pretty hilarious to watch you see real data and come to a completely unreal conclusion to fit your narrative. men in those companies work disproportionately harder There is nothing in the link you provided to suggest that men work disproportionally harder in those companies. It doesn't list companies. It doesn't list how hard men work in those companies compared to women. It doesn't support your argument at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:32 PM
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Do people think that society had the communication abilities of cavemen before social media or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:01 PM
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Equality is absolutely NOT accepted in all aspects of society. I don’t know what world you’re living in. Society and government OFTEN actively does NOT cater to female biology. Science and healthcare barely caters to female biology. And if you’re so confused as to why “equality” in dating gets a bad reaction, it’s very simple. It is because men like you complain to and at women, blaming women, for their dating habits whilst simultaneously comparing lack of male romantic attention to systemic civ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:00 PM
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Literally not what I said. Just because the government shouldn’t get involved doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. Men being lonely is a problem. It’s just a bad comparison to worker’s rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:49 PM
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That’s literally not what im saying. Where did i say that ALL forms of sexism outside of work should be addressed? Im saying that OP’s comparison is bad. Because he’s comparing a social difference with a civil rights infringements.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:48 PM
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Source: trust me bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:57 PM
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You’re acting like there aren’t already tons of women who resign to low quality jobs or being housewives. We already have a society that has both kinds of women. Doesn’t change the fact that women have no moral obligation to give men any kind of romantic attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:56 PM
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Equality is NOT enforced in all aspects of society except dating. There are SO many areas where both the government and the people are not enforcing equality. That’s why your comparison is bad, because you use worker’s rights as a stand in for literally everything except dating. So you are able to make it seem like there is some kind of double standard. There is not, you just compared two things that are completely different. You don’t think men react to what they think is fair or moral? The ori…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:52 PM
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Maybe the government will start making immigration actually feasible, abortions will be considered as actual healthcare so women won’t be terrified of getting pregnant in the wrong place, and socialism will help lower income people have enough social safety nets to be confident enough to have children. I think this population decline (it isn’t declining globally) is a GOOD thing. The Boomers are fucking everything up, and we’re not replacing specifically that generation. It’ll course correct onc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:48 PM
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It’s not even remotely a strawman. You compared the two with the express intent of complaining of a double standard that you believe should be rectified. According to you, “you can’t have equality in everything except the expensive, performative, high-risk part where men have to audition.” In other words, you’d like men to have access to dates the same way women have access to worker’s rights. This is a bad comparison because of my stated reasons above. How men react is dependent on what men thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:45 AM
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Companies experiencing an “economic consequence” is just capitalistic speak for “company makes slightly less money.” Women entering the workforce has been one of the most influential economic growth factors of the 20th century. Companies know it. The government knows it. It is to everyone’s benefit for women to be included in the workforce, and certain protections need to be made to accommodate women having to give birth. Not because it simply “benefits women”, but because society will actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:40 AM
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I know you never said the government should get involved, but by insisting that dating is equivalent to workers rights, you imply that dating IS something the government should regulate. If you don’t believe that, then you should stop comparing dating to worker’s rights. We also do not police narratives about intersexual dynamics. There is rhetoric surrounding these topics, but there are quite literally no police involved with a narrative. You can’t literally police a narrative. Marriage and div…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:00 AM
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The reason why anti-discriminatory work practices exist and are enforced by the government is not because it’s men’s responsibility to make women’s business lives easier. “Easier” is entirely the wrong word. It’s because discrimination in the work force has enormous economic ramifications that should not morally go unchecked by the government, for which its citizens vote and pay taxes. Women, by contrast, have no moral obligation to give men any kind of romantic attention for literally any reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:54 AM
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Why does the dating world have to have the same moral objectives as the working world? Inequality in the work place is an infringement on civil rights. Men not getting dates isn’t an infringement on anything that a government should oversee. To claim that they are the same is to claim that the government should be regulating “equality” in dating. Obviously that’s insane. By contrast, men are allowed to—at any time—decide to raise their standards, choose to not pay more, or not plan/organize.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:10 AM
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Poor people tend to marry poor people. Middle class people tend to marry middle class people. Rich people tend to marry rich people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:12 PM
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Obviously some do. Like me. And I'm not remotely alone in that. No one is forcing men to date down financially. It's just always interesting to me that men's advice is never for men to raise their standards to match women, it's always for women to lower their standards to match men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:42 PM
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I know it's not the norm. The norm is that people tend to pair up with people in their own socio-economic sphere. Not up or down. Just the same. OP asked when women will "settle" for men who earn less than them, and I chimed in to say that many of us already have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:40 PM
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You're right. Most people date within their own socio-economic class. He and I actually do come from the same socio-economic class. We were both raised in very similar environments. He just happens to not make as much as me right now. But most people date people who are similar to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:32 PM
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Hi, woman here who makes twice as much as her partner. I even own property while he doesn’t. All of my girl friends make around the same amount as their spouses, and the ones that don’t are not “depending” on the man. They all work. Or they’re full time mothers. Or both. You’re living in a fantasy world.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:18 PM
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You’re making it sound like any woman being alone with any man and feeling any amount of wariness makes that woman a misandrist. If I’m alone with a male friend, I’m not going to feel any anxiety. If I’m pumping gas at night and there’s only me and one other dude sitting on the curb doing nothing, I’m going to feel anxiety. And it will be because he’s a man. But every woman has had an experience in her life where she’s felt anxious because she’s alone with a man, because he’s a man. It doesn’t m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:16 PM
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If a woman feeling anxiety while being alone with a man makes that woman a misandrist, then every woman is a misandrist. Are you prepared to argue that every single woman is a misandrist?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:09 AM
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Anything desired is part of an incentive structure. Vaginas are not the exception. That's simply incorrect. There are tons of things that are desired that aren't part of incentive structures that would compel others to change their actions. I am a libertarian. If it was for me there would be no government. Then your argument falls apart even more. You want women and their vaginas to enact a power that not even the government is allowed to do. You want women and their vaginas to be more influenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:08 AM
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Every single human that decides to reward/punish behaviors in other humans is. You are still assuming that vaginas are rewards/punishments. Sex is not a reward for good/bad behavior. Insufficient Are you implying that the government should meddle in the affairs of who sleeps with who? Are you implying that this issue of men not getting sex is too big for government or too small? They are not obligated to reward morality and punish immorality. But if they don't I will judge them for being immoral…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:19 PM
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You misinterpreted my first sentence. I’m not arguing that they are unique to women as a gender. Im saying the complaints aren’t new. Women have been complaining about men for all of human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:10 PM
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This assumes that women’s vaginas are the arbiters of morality. They are not. The justice system is supposed to be that. Government. To claim that women’s vaginas are the arbiters of morality on a mass scale is to be entitled to a certain kind of justice that conveniently only women can enact. This is an extension of entitlement. Women are not obligated to use their vaginas to punish or not punish the moral failings of men. This also assumes that your first claim is at all scientifically accurat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:07 PM
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Men are free to have whatever standards they want. If you think a woman isn’t “bringing anything to the table” then don’t date her. Women make this decision about men all the time. It’s time that men have standards that weren’t absolute garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:38 PM
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What makes you think this is a unique complaint for women? Generations of older women have been passing down some essential advice to their daughters—don’t settle, don’t get married unless the man is exactly right, make your own money. Younger women are listening to horror stories of past generations and deciding to raise their standards to protect themselves. And both can be true. Women can complain that men aren’t meeting their standards and men can be trying really hard. A lot of men are exac…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:36 PM
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If only this were remotely reflected in women’s day to day lives. Not only do men never stop bothering us, but there is no shortage of men who are putting in tons of effort to date women. If anything, men are trying harder now than ever before because women aren’t satisfied with “I have a job”. And young men in general don’t have a house or any resources to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:16 PM
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Most of this is just women not being strangled by the strict patriarchal boundaries that men are pressured into. Some are things that already apply to straight men, such as men’s magazines. A Vogue isn’t any different for women than a GQ is for men. The rest are hilarious to consider as they simply don’t apply to most women. Oral sex with women in college? Showers with their friends? The vast majority of women have not done these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:46 AM
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You keep using the word “fault”. I have never once used that word. You can keep arguing with yourself, if you like, but then I’m done with this conversation. Stop arguing against a point I never made. If a man is showing up with desire and a woman is not, then that is correct that there is asymmetry. They are not a good match. But you cannot force that woman to have desire for that man. You either part ways or the man does something to make the woman desire him. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:38 PM
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Women do not lack the implicit capacity to experience wanting. Myself and most of my girl friends have no problem experiencing see desire for our male boyfriends/husbands. For you to claim that women have no desire is to claim that ALL women in relationships are faking their desire. This is obviously false. Talking about whether or not women are willing to initiate courtship is a separate conversation. Whether they initiate can be unrelated to their desire, simply because so many men make the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:01 PM
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It’s not men fault women lack implicit desire for the mLe form I didn't say it was men's fault. I'm saying it's men's obligation to be the solution. Men have no issues generating desire for women. Men do not generate their own desire. This is just how they are, due to no effort on their part. The "hunger" is not something men manufactured. You are trying to reframe this issue in extremely wonky ways to fit your narrative, but it's simply not that complicated. You can't force a woman to want some…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:36 PM
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As always, it's not about WHERE, it's about WHEN. Men who have acted like weird creepers have made women extremely wary about strangers walking up to them and trying to hit on them. That's not women's fault--that's creepy men's fault. And as a result, "good" men have to be "careful" about where they try to ask women out. What this means is that you generally can't just walk up to a woman who you know nothing about--whether she's single, straight, the right age, etc--and start trying to get her n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:44 PM
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The solution is not always men changing. In THIS case, that is the only solution, because as I said, you can’t force women to be “gotten” by men. The logical conclusion is that men have to make themselves something women desire. How is it women’s problem to trick themselves into wanting something they don’t want?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:34 PM
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That’s…not what moving the goal post means.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:31 PM
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That’s an extremely ignorant take. WHY don’t women want to? Just because? No. It’s largely because it’s too expensive. There’s not enough support. There is too much sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:31 PM
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I’m not saying OP suggested force should be used. I mention force because it explains why there is only one solution to the problem OP stated. You are projecting so hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:57 AM
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How would making it easier to raise children NOT encourage women to want to start families? Are you familiar with the reasons why women are hesitating now?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:56 AM
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I think that’s fair to say. There’s only one solution, which is for men to become something women want. You can’t force women to be “gotten” by men if they don’t want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:43 AM
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What are you talking about? The policies that would encourage women to, for instance, want to start families, are already supported by and large by feminists. Reproductive rights, maternity and paternity leave, free childcare, worker’s rights, access to property ownership, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:40 AM
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Brooo the angle you’re really gonna take with this is pedophilia?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:53 PM
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Most men have “secret sexual basements”? I don’t know that. For me personally, I don’t keep stuff like that from my partner and I don’t believe he does from me either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:27 PM
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Totally agree, it’s so embarrassing when I see other women with these “alpha” guys who just act like buffoons and have zero tact. They’re unpleasant to be around, and they don’t take care of the group vibe at all. The best hangs are the ones with green flag guys who can make other people around him feel valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:25 PM
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Well seeing as 99% of feminists have absolutely no idea who the fuck any of these people are, I don’t think this really proves anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:19 PM
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Why would I consent to having sex every day with a random stranger? Just cuz he’s hot? Takes a lot more than that to make me want to have sex with a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:45 PM
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I’ve said nothing on this thread that would lead you to believe any of that. You clearly have biases of believing that most women hate men or something. This entire conversation has been one giant projection of yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:45 PM
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That’s because there’s not a lot of negative generalizations that are acceptable. Most of them are bad. Same with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:01 PM
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If you’re not satisfied with my answer, then why don’t you name some negative generalizations about women and I’ll tell you if I think they’re acceptable or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:45 AM
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Depends on if statistics back you up or not. It’s not wrong to state that women generally date within their own socio/economic class, meaning if a woman makes $100k, she’s probably not going to date guys who make $40k. It’s just like how it’s not wrong to say that men have much lower standards than women, and women have much higher standards than men, generally speaking. However, to say that all women are shallow or all men are rapists or all women are gold diggers or all men are sexist would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:33 AM
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Again, it depends on the problem and it depends on who they blame for the problem and WHY they blame them. Women can complain about beauty standards without claiming that men are the only ones enforcing them. To say that only men perpetuate these standards would be a bag generalization and also inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 04:40 PM
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Where did I say this about men? Please quote me. It really just depends on the generalization. Saying all women are shallow is a useless generalization. Saying all men are violent is a useless generalization. Saying women are more likely to date a man within her own socio economic circle is not a bad generalizations, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 04:36 PM
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Where do I have a double standard? Where did I say it’s okay to blame all men for women’s issues, but it’s not ok to blame all women for men’s issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:50 PM
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Fine, then replace my statement with “his loneliness” and it’s the same point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:15 PM
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It sounds you want to be able to talk in absolutes. Sorry, but there is no point in engaging with you if you don’t acknowledge any amount of nuance or context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:14 PM
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And I’m telling you depends on the context. If men are actively hurting women, then it is men’s responsibility to stop. If a woman has a few bad dates, it wouldn’t really be fair to “blame all men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:06 PM
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That’s a different topic I think. You can replace male loneliness epidemic with “his loneliness” if you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:44 PM
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No? How did you come to that conclusion based on what I wrote? Absolutist statements will never work in your favor. As always, it depends what is being said and in what context.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:42 PM
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Sure, depending on the context and how he says it, of course. A man who says that the male loneliness epidemic is because women have too high standards is blaming women for male loneliness on a systemic scale, which I would file under bad blame. A man who states that he feels sad and discouraged because he feels like he’s not enough for the women he dates is something I would file under not blaming women. Just to name two examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:47 AM
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Totally fine to feel frustrated. Feelings are not the problem. It’s when you outwardly blame women for not “choosing” you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:24 PM
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Why would that apply to all issues? I’m talking specifically about the issue YOU brought up. And yes, if it were a woman complaining about men’s standards, you’d be able to say the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:25 AM
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While I think it’s sad that anyone feels lonely, I don’t think women have any obligation to change their standards for men. If a woman would rather be single than be with a man who doesn’t meet her standards, that’s her prerogative. The most we can do is say, “That sucks that you aren’t able to date easily.” But we shouldn’t tangibly do anything to solve that problem for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:18 PM
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So you think sex should be used as payment for...men participating not subjugating women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:29 AM
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If you don't want women to need men for survival, then your obsession with social programs, taxes, and beneficiaries is irrelevant to this topic. You're talking about how important sex is. We've established that it's important, but that there isn't anything tangible that women should morally do about giving men sex who want it. That's it, that's the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:15 AM
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Taxes are not payments for mistakes and shortcomings. That's not how any of that works. If you wanted fairness, you'd be very much in favor of welfare and social programs. You don't want fairness. You want women to need men for survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:10 AM
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Yes, I'm starting to see that OP's revenge fantasy is to completely impoverish women so that they are forced to pair up with men to survive. Hilarious how he repeats over and over again how women don't owe men sex--he just wants women to have no other option for survival except to fuck men in order to eat. See guys? That makes OP one of the good ones!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:08 AM
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You still make it sound like women don't pay taxes and get all the benefits, while men pay all the taxes and get none. But it doesn't matter whether or not you understand nuance. What does this have to do with men getting laid? Is your revenge fantasy to make women completely impoverished and oppressed so that they have to pair up with men in order to survive?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:06 AM
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OP thinks the netherlands gives disabled people sex partners through health insurance. He does not live in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 02:01 AM
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em dashes are what make something AI generated, genius. Double dash makes a great case that nothing I wrote is AI generated. And it's not. I expected at least a little more effort from you in your response. That's the kind of response someone says when they have no real argument. Looks like you got got.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:49 AM
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Men as a group are a net positive on taxes and women are a net negative. So essentially it's men funding these programs for women. You make it sound like all men are homeless and all women have houses. It is obviously much more nuanced that than. Also, I'm not even talking about "programs". I'm talking about policies that keep housing prices in check, such as rent control, regulations on corporate ownership, punishment for landlord neglect, etc. Whether your gender as a whole pays more in taxes …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:46 AM
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Sex is important. Most people want sex. It is normal to be sad when you can't have sex while wanting it. However, sex and your example of housing are very different. In order for men to have sex with women, women need to consent to sex with that man. And, as you said, since no one is owed sex, there is no moral obligation for women to have sex with men. On the other hand, you could argue that a tax-paying citizen is owed a certain level of housing accessibility by their government, which control…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:49 AM
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The point of my comment is that you outed yourself as someone with no compassion for men by immediately assuming that's the only thing someone who feels unsupported by women really wants I didn't assume that's the only thing OP wants. I made an extremely informed comment based on OP's vagueness and the fact that most posts on this sub are hating on women's dating habits. There's nothing wrong with being lonely--I'm all about showing compassion for lonely men--but I push back on the idea that it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:40 AM
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Why would I have compassion for a man who claims that feminists don’t give a shit about men’s issues when there bountiful evidence that disproves this? You have no idea what I do in my own life to help men. Because, as usual, you men care more about the discourse than about actual ACTION that make definitive change in men’s lives. I have no issue supporting men in their issues, so long as those issues don’t include women changing their dating preferences to appease male loneliness. That is the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 08:56 PM
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Not all, but most. You just made that up. Until they stop asking men to help them while saying shit like this? Again, we are not asking men to help because we know men will not help. We just want men to stop harassing us, killing us, abusing us, and taking away our rights. Meanwhile they have no problem with women being violent toward men. The vast majority of feminists are not okay with women being violent toward men. You also just made this up. Except you have no power to change anything. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:25 PM
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Oh and OP was arguing from a place of good faith? Complaining about male issues without listing a single one? Also, feminists don’t vote for progressive policies just because. They vote for progressive policies because they help the people who need help the most, and that includes men. That’s extremely intentional. It’s not an accident that they vote for policy that benefit men. It is absolutely on purpose. As usual, men like you are only satisfied when feminists go out of their way to do things…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:17 PM
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That’s why I presented multiple options for what OP could have meant. OP brought up nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:38 AM
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I didn’t. That’s why I clarified.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:21 PM
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Most men get married or have a relationship in their life. What you’re saying has a grain of truth to it, but what youre implying in your “percentage” is way off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:06 PM
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Then what’s the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:10 PM
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So? There’s no moral obligation for women to be attracted to men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:58 PM
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That’s simply untrue. Please link the study that proves this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:57 PM
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Another day, another man on this sub who claims that women aren’t straight to square with his sad reality. Women are attracted to men, most women are straight statistically. That is a fact. If you want to deny that this is a fact, then you are not living in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:26 PM
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It is really unbelievable that you can’t think of any acceptable in between. You can find out if a woman is single, straight, and the right age, within a few interactions with her. Hell, you could even find this out after talking a little while on the first time you meet her. But saying zero words to her and asking her out—the cold approach—is a terrible strategy. Seeing a girl a few times at repeat social events with friends is a great way to quickly get to know someone and see if there is mutu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:58 PM
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No strawman. He simply didn’t provide any examples, so I had to put in a clarifying point about dating, which is completely relevant because that is the number one thing men on this sub complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:55 PM
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It’s not about where. It’s not about who. It’s about WHEN. Cold approaching a woman who you don’t know anything about her— whether she’s single, the right age, straight, etc.—is a bad time to ask a woman out. Your chances of success will be slim to none. Asking out a woman who you’ve been friends with for years, who has shown zero sign that she’s romantically interested in you is also the wrong time to ask her out. Are you really so uncreative that you can’t think of any in-between zone between …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:41 AM
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ew what the actual fuck? B. I do not want some stranger, i don't care how hot he is, coming into my isolated space trying to have sex with me every day. That sounds like daily rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:36 AM
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But yet they don't need training to be biased in favor of girls, that just comes naturally? Do you think that all teachers only have biases towards girls? ALL teachers need this training. No, they turn a blind eye to misandry while yelling endlessly about misogyny. They're complicit as fuck about misandry in schools. Ah yes, the primary feminist platform--addressing grading biases against boys in school. We all know that feminists aren't worthy of having any opinions unless their entire platform…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:34 AM
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Sigh. I always prove myself right. The uneducated vote the way they do for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:28 AM
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So you just proved that you can't provide any evidence that conservative values have benefited society. You also proved that you don't know US history. Conservatives who like to make the claim that republicans freed the slaves prove their stupidity. Look up the two parties switching ideologies because of geographic movement. Actually, you know what, what am i even saying? You won't educate yourself. I'd bet all of my money that you will not look this up and not educate yourself, and you will con…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:04 PM
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How can you have a sampling biased toward women and then say well we actually have a lot of data around men if all the data was gathered around these supposedly over sample women? Because not all studies are the same? Because some studies we have a lot of women and some we have a lot of men? And because survey based studies are not the only way to study these subjects? If you back when these programs are first getting started responding to men who said see problems being solved stop thinking abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:00 PM
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I don't play games. Either say what you have to say or leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:55 PM
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That they need to constantly be in this alert state to not do anything wrong around women. They have learned that they shouldn't explain things too much or they are "mansplaining", they need to avoid sitting in the chair the wrong way, they need to avoid walking too closely to a woman on the street. Good. Men should ALL be more aware of how they engage in conversation, and make sure they're thinking of others and not just themselves all the time. Women have learned to be constantly alert around …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:55 PM
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🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:48 PM
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Right now, most of the research and science is on what helps women This claim is not generally supported by the evidence. If anything, historically, a lot of medical and psychological research was disproportionately conducted on men, then generalized to everyone. Today, some research is better studied in women and some are better studied in men, and many areas are now studied comparatively by sex/gender. A few examples: Depression and anxiety research often has large female samples because women…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:47 PM
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Oh now starving only counts as bad if it ends in death? Way to move that goalpost. I would consider hunger and food insecurity serious problems in a country that claims to be so wealthy. Tens of millions of Americans experience food insecurity annually, and millions experience the severe form involving actual hunger and skipped meals. That is directly a result of economics. And if you believe that that reality is somehow okay, then there's really no more to say to each other, because we have a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:39 PM
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Cool, so what's your strategy for making men not kill themselves? How about making guns harder to access, make life worth living with livable wages, walkable cities, and good public transit? How about encouraging men to find mentors and role models? How about making education more accessible, so there's not a financial burden? How about removing student debt for low income people? Oh right--those are all things that feminists are in favor of.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:32 PM
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How in hell does funding affect the biased treatment of boys and male teachers? Because teachers need training against biases, need resources to help manage boys who learn differently than girls, and need smaller classrooms so they can help students actually learn rather than just engage in grade-based schooling with zero support. Like...this is basic? Feminists push for legislation all the time, or are you going to deny that now? What they don't ever push against is anti-male bias in schools, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 10:30 PM
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Duh. Super attracted to him. Why would I be in a relationship with a man I’m not attracted to? I also don’t find many men that attractive, but it really depends on a lot of internal qualities and our chemistry. So if they are strangers it’s extremely hard to feel attraction to men. When I first met my boyfriend, I thought he was cute. Once I got to know him, I thought he was smoking hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:05 PM
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Is it against their will? If so, that’s literally the definition of “forced.” You lose every semantics game you try to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:59 PM
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What do you mean is it justified? It’s reality. Men hate women in drastically large numbers all over the world. Men have already formed “team man” since the beginning of time. Men have discussed openly how little they respect women and it’s not new. You’re framing this like women have recently “united” (they haven’t) against men, so now isn’t it men’s turn. Men have been having their “turn” for millennia. It doesn’t matter whether it’s justified. This is how humanity has been for most of human h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:58 PM
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So you just think forcing women to be homemakers, so long as they’re not married, is acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:49 PM
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You said “why not? It’s an easy and efficient route” in response to my statement that women’s rights shouldn’t be taken away in pursuit of population expansion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:49 PM
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Good thing we’re not heading for extinction because of population decline then. Sounds like it’ll be the nice way then. Glad we could agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:57 PM
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I said besides the draft, but okay haha. Feminism is very much in favor of ending the draft. That’s well documented. Re: retirement age, I would bet that the only attempts to make the retirement age equal have been about raising the retirement age of women to match the retirement age of men. Am I right about that? If that’s the case, yeah…no one wants their retirement age raised. Have there been discussions about lowering the retirement age of men to match women? Re: men’s mental health. I’m gon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:56 PM
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Are you…serious? You think no one starves in the U.S. for economic reasons? Please tell me you’re joking. It’s amazing to see you admit that capitalism creates wealth inequality. And then defend it. Like “we don’t have a choice but to be cucks to our billionaire overlords”. Cmon, don’t be so lame dude. There are a hundred solutions and they still allow the US to build wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:51 PM
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You literally claimed that there was. You said “some in the party leadership want the democrats to steer more towards tackling” men’s issues but “they don’t do it” because of feminists. But there’s no evidence that this is the case. Even your quote is not about men’s issues. It’s about “wokeness”, the all encompassing buzzword that just means anything that isn’t conservative at this point. Also, when in our conversation did you ask me to list men’s issues that I’m in support of? I happened to li…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:48 PM
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Your hypothetical involves women being forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:43 PM
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So you just admitted that you made this up. There is no example of a democrat who tried to put forth policies with the aim to solely benefit men, who had been convinced not to specially by feminist voters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:02 AM
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It is if you force her to be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:01 AM
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The fact that you think low pay has nothing to do with how teachers teach and who takes those jobs means you do not understand how funding affects whole industries at all. You also talk about feminists not voting for policies that don’t exist. Which anti-male bias in school policies have been voted on? I’m a feminist and I’ve never had the opportunity to vote for a policy such as this. Same with the NEET things. I’ve never had the chance to vote for or against programs that have excluded these m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:00 AM
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Women do not hate men for just existing. They are taught to be WARY of men from personal experience starting at a young age. Those two things are not the same, and men constantly conflate them. Also…plenty of men do not want gender equality. They actively say it on this sub every day. Today on this sub, a man was trying to argue that women are genetically predisposed to cook for a family instead of working. That’s dehumanizing women, and it’s one of thousands of examples. If you’re not the kind …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:12 AM
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Is there even any substantial examples to back up this ludicrous claim? What Democrat has tried to put forth policies that have benefited solely men, but has been convinced not to by specifically feminist voters?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:07 AM
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Do you understand why women only homeless shelters need to exist? Please show evidence that feminists specifically have shot down these efforts, and include their reasonings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:06 AM
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You are free to believe that feminists don’t want to help men and vote against your own self interest and theirs by electing some conservative autocrat who wants to destroy all the systems we have in place, just to make a point against some agenda you wrongly believe all feminists are tirelessly fighting for. You’re free to do that. It won’t help your cause though. OR you could vote WITH feminists for progressive policies that seek to fund literally every single area I mentioned, allowing resour…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:04 AM
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Whether or not a woman likes a corporate office job is irrelevant to whether or not her rights should be taken away. You sound like the slave owners who say their slaves don’t actually want to be free because their masters take care of their lodging. Amazing that it took such a short time from you to show your true colors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:56 AM
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No it doesn't work like that. Yes it does, sorry, but that's reality. You really think you're an edge lord, don't you? The blatant sexism is something that we all know you are aware of in your rhetoric, and it's painfully sad that it makes you feel like a big man to say these things. You already know that women aren't predisposed to cooking, but I don't have to tell you that. Hope you find something better to do with your life, mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:38 PM
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You literally said "false" in response to my comment that said "women already treat men with basic human decency." So yes, you did say that women don't treat men with basic human decency. Don't play this lame semantics game. Unless you want to unpack why you vote against everyone's self interest, including your own, because some women bully some men. That's an even sadder argument for your decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:35 PM
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So according to you, women and feminists hold no power in the education system? Women overwhelmingly work in lower education because it's all underpaid work that men don't want. Also, I was talking about political power that decides where the funding goes and how much. It's important to note that this female dominated industry is woefully underfunded. This is not a coincidence. Don't try to tell me I don't value education or see one gender as lazy like feminists do. I literally never said this. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:33 PM
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Now twenty years later after those types of messages became common men are asking why women aren't taking just a little more initiative Why are you confused about this? They aren't taking initiative because they don't like the men they aren't taking initiative for. Why would I approach a man and ask him on a date if I don't want to go on a date with him? Women can make moves. Doesn't mean we like a guy enough to want to. and now people are quick to say things like women just biologically need a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:22 PM
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They still won't focus on men's issues specifically. That's not true. They do address men's issues specifically, they just also address other people's issues as well. It's been well established in this thread that men like you actually aren't satisfied with programs that help men. They need to help men at the exclusion of everyone else. If a program helps homeless men, it's not enough that those men get helped. It only "counts" in your book if no one else is helped but men in that program. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 09:19 PM
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Who's more likely to read books about feminism? Women who identify as feminists or men who don't? And either way, most feminists do not start out with the worldview that all women are victims and all men are bad. They learn what men are like by being shown it in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:04 PM
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The birth rate is stupid and unimportant propaganda filtered to you through billionaires who want more humans to underpay to enrich themselves. There is no evidence that feminism has destroyed the foundation of society except men who whine about not getting laid to point of destroying society themselves. Every major win economically and socially for the united states has been won by liberal values, not conservative ones. At every junction, conservatives have destroyed the economy, eliminated con…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:01 PM
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There is a nice way to do it and a not nice way to do it. If you do it the nice way, everyone wins. If you do it the not nice way, people rebel, people die, society descends into chaos. That is the only choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:57 PM
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We need to just make everyone starve equally then? How is THAT your conclusion based on what I said? How about no one starves? Or is that too socialist for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:55 PM
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The poor become richer when we do away with minimum wage. Before there was minimum wage, this did not happen. Only the rich became richer. Right now, minimum wage is not working because the minimum has not kept up with living costs. If it had, it would be working. The answer obviously is to raise the minimum wage, not do away with it. We've already seen what happens when we do away with it. There is already hard evidence to disprove your argument. The world becomes safer and less likely to enter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:55 PM
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The man vs bear thing is completely valid. And it worked. The point was to get men to think for a second about how much fear they actually provoke in women, to the point where a woman would choose a bear instead of a man. And it's not performative fear either. It's real. The men who chose willingly to not understand the purpose of the hypothetical are unable to empathize with the reality of women. It's as simply as that. You either accept that it's reality for a lot of women, or you deny women's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:49 PM
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The SOME in you take are the ones holding power, not individual self identified feminists Feminists by and large do not hold power. Women are so pathetically represented in positions of power, let alone feminist women, that it's almost hilarious to talk about them like they have any actual sway in society compared to men in power. I will always side with more funding for teachers. Does this mean you vote accordingly? Or is it all talk? The people in power, that includes feminists, need to change…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:47 PM
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Probably for a lot of different reasons: they don't need to pay for prostitutes because they have no trouble finding men to have sex with them; they don't consume pornographic material in the same way for some reason (I don't know why); they don't find the men being presented to them as attractive; they don't find the way they are presented to be attractive. Women WANT to want men. I think it's just a litle more complicated than "i'll pay to lust after men to scratch that itch"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:43 PM
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"I'm just solving the issue" is a cop out and you know it. What a lazy justification for wanting to be an oppressor. Dictators have tried harder than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:40 PM
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It doesn't work because women aren't interested. Why aren't women interested? Because they don't express their sexuality the same way men do, because they don't find the men in question attractive, there are many reasons that can't really be helped. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:39 PM
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What you’re talking about is bullying which is unacceptable no matter who does it. Also, the issue you’re talking about is about neurodivergence, which is a more specific claim than “women don’t treat men with basic human decency.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:37 PM
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Provide evidence for your claim or go away. (Who wants to take bets that this guy is going to talk about women’s dating preferences?)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:14 PM
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well now you’re the one going down a different path. If you want to argue that we should enslave women with pregnancy to solve this problem, then you’re the bad guy here. I said “incentivize”. Not force. YOU are the one now apparently advocating for the subjugation of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:11 PM
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SOME feminists just hate men and will actively not do anything to help men. Okay. But the feminist ideology did actually seek the advancement of men and women in society, with obviously a priority given to certain issues that greatly affect women’s rights, such as abortion. With education, why do you think men are falling behind? Could it be that education is depressingly underfunded and a single teacher can’t adequately help boys who don’t naturally sit in a desk and learn in the same way as wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:09 PM
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Obviously, they should do everything in their power WITHOUT taking away rights of women. That just goes without saying, I assumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:59 PM
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Women already treat men with basic human decency.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:51 PM
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While I don’t think the population shrinking is at all a bad thing, I think if one believes it is a bad thing, they should do everything in their power to incentivize women to have children. Ironically, the people who are loudest about this are the same people who make women not want to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:48 PM
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Your analogy is unnecessary because feminist already vote for funding in areas where both men and women have issues. Mental health, poverty wages, social services, birth control, etc. Keyword, BOTH. Once again, men on this thread seem completely unsatisfied unless feminists only vote for men’s issues at the exclusion of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:33 PM
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What do you mean “why can’t” men? You answered your own question. They tried a few things, it wasn’t popular. Women aren’t interested, that’s why.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:29 PM
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Agreed. While female genital mutilation is a certain kind of irreparable horror, I do think that on principle, men should choose if they want to be circumcised.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:27 PM
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I. AGREE. That’s why we need MORE funding for mental health. Not less. Feminists vote for MORE funding, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:16 PM
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When feminists vote for mental health is not ONLY go to women, and therein lies the great lie that either you just made up for the sake of this argument or have consumed enough propaganda that you believe it. You also seem to believe that money gets divided by gender. By and large, it does not. It goes to people who seek it out. More women seek out mental health help than men, and that’s part of why the data shows that more women are served by mental health services than men. You were in a menta…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 04:16 PM
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Then why does the population continue to explode?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:59 PM
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Do you derive your definition of feminism from feminists who have, for example, published books about the ideology? Or do you get it from manosphere lackeys who tell you what to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:58 PM
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Nope, I’m saying we can have services for men AND women. Why are men like you so quick to jump to “no one gets it if I can’t get mine”?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:54 PM
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I am FOR programs for helping men, just like how programs helped women. I’m saying BOTH can exist. You’re saying ONLY men support should exist in the future. You’re asking all these questions that we have answers to. Why don’t we get funding to help with men’s mental health? Because conservatives defund mental health services , partly because they’re offended that women have women-specific help. That’s like saying we should end homeless shelters because women’s only homeless shelters exist. Femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:53 PM
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Yes, I agree, that’s why we need MORE funding for mental health. MORE funding means MORE research which means MORE men get helped. You agree with feminists in this point. Women getting prison sentencing bias is something I’m happy to fight against, it just does not seem that big of deal compared to the much larger issue of men in general being the vast majority of criminal cases. Like, sure men should receive less harsh sentences—let’s tackle that. Let’s make prisons rehabilitation and not punis…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:46 PM
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A non answer because you have nothing else to argue. And yes, ego. You are so butt hurt about the prefix “fem” that you will actively attack the very people who are doing ACTIONS to help men. I said this in another comment, but essentially men will work against their own TANGIBLE self interest because some women hurt their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:42 PM
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But new funding doesn’t have to just go to men if there’s enough of it. That’s what I’m saying. Men already use mental health services—you’re acting like men have none while women have all. Men can absolutely have their programs. But it seems like you and a many men on this thread are only happy if the future involves help for ONLY men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:40 PM
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So now you’re arguing that men don’t need mental health services because it doesn’t work on them? Maybe we need more money allocated to mental health services so they can be BETTER so men are more likely to seek them out. Also, using an example of hysteria, which was used not to help women but to imprison them and silence them is pretty rich. Men do more crime for more reasons than they’re just poor. They’re also more capable of violence. If legislation were created opting to make it illegal, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:35 PM
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You think because we “have” a service, that this means it’s working adequately or doesn’t need more funding? You’ve got to be joking. The answer isn’t to remove funding for women, it’s to fund it more so MORE people can access it. It’s very easy to do so, it’s just that our politicians are bought out. We live in a society extremely depleted of social services. But the average American doesn’t really understand this because of propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:24 PM
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If there’s no money in these services, how will you even begin to have a conversation on where the money goes? This is a basic first step. But sure, we can have a conversation about where that money goes. Some of the money will go to men, and some of the money will go to women. I can tell you that all of the money will not solely go to women. For many of these items, the majority of the money will actually go to men, because this is a man who need the services more. And if you wanna argue that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:13 PM
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We already have a functional system, as evidenced by the population continuing to explode.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:10 PM
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You just made that up. In 2024, reviews found that despite making up about 60% of people with psychiatric disorders, women only made up around 42% of participants in clinical trials for psychiatric drugs and devices. Some studies utilize more women, but that’s directly proportional to how many women are diagnosed. In the past, in fact, ONLY men were used because hormone inbalances from women were considered a disqualifying quality in a study. This is absolutely a poverty issue. The solution to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:10 PM
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I just listed about a dozen things that are included in progressive policy goals that help men who suffer from the exact men’s issues you listed. They DIRECTLY address men’s issues. How can progressive policy universally view men are perpetrators and only women as victims when almost all of their policies seek to help men who are struggling? What you are looking for are policies that are ONLY for men, such as how women have a whole amendment giving them the right to vote. But that desire actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:04 PM
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How do you know when the threshold has been met? Why worry about population growth when we can’t even sustain the people that we have currently on the planet? To me, the issue isn’t that there are population declines, because there isn’t and the population only continues to explode. the issue is that there is such insane wealth and equality, that some people on earth have disgustingly exorbitant wealth, while others are starving. Things like pairing rates are just a distraction from the actual p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:53 PM
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Personally, I don't think "kill all men" is an acceptable thing to say. But luckily, it's really been blown out of proportion. Women don't really say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:39 PM
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As i said cooking is laborious. I'd rather someone else do it. As a woman, I think cooking is laborious, and I'd rather someone else do it. Now what? Besides it's not natural for a lot of us men. Then why are all the top chefs in the world men? Sounds like you're just bad at surviving on your own. Isn't that fathers and husbands done for their families. Besides you don't get the ingredients for free or home in case you are a traditional wife. So it's not free food. There never is. Some way we me…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:38 PM
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Because you have a narrow view of how boys/men can actually be helped, and you incorrectly separate feminism from politics, which will always be impossible as politics is cemented as a core method of change in feminist ideology. You remind me of how people think that lowering the rate of abortions can be achieved by making abortions illegal, whereas the actual effective way to lessen the rate of abortion is to lower the cases of women needing them at all--either by making it more affordable to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:31 PM
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idgaf if feminism loves or hates men. I feel this way about men too! I don't care if they emotionally hate women or not. What actions do they do? How do they vote? If you hate women and don't want to date them or whatever, but everything you do fights for women's rights and makes women's lives better then...go for it! I'd rather a man hate women but vote progressive, than a man who claims he loves women but vote conservative, thus screwing all of us over. Everything you listed in progressive (fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:20 PM
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"lending each other a hand" = profit off of the unpaid labor of my partner. Have you ever asked yourself why YOU don't want to be the one to do the cooking? What if the women in this scenario was the one who needed the help? Why don't modern men lend women a hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:17 PM
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Well for starters, blaming women for men being lonely is not a winning stance. We can agree that loneliness is bad. But how that loneliness is rectified is where the conversation usually disintegrates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:13 PM
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Suicide rate: are you implying progressives don't care about mental health services? Because they absolutely are in favor of increasing mental health services, including directing exorbitant police funding into much needed mental health interventions that would directly impact the male suicide rate. Feminists vote for and are in favor of policies that would help men in this case. Sentencing disparity: this is a poverty issue. Crime incentives increase when poverty increases. The answer to addres…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:10 PM
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Men will vote for the machine that enslaves them just to make a point to women who won't fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:55 PM
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What are you talking about? Men legally avoid being parents in staggering numbers. Where do you think all the single moms come from? The existence of legally allowed/incentivized gender discrimination against men. This does not count as an example. What is an example of gender discrimination against men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:53 PM
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Hone their skills? What skills? What yield? Based on the fact that you seem unable to function with ingredients that you may run out of (god forbid), and that you admit that you are simply average without mommy there to help you, I'd say that that you don't have many skills or "yield" to offer. Real men don't need a housemaid to succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:52 PM
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If an issue affects poor people regardless of gender, it is not part of "men's issues" nor "woman's issues" Besides the draft and dating woes, which I both mentioned, what do you count as male issues that have nothing to do with poverty?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:36 PM
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Don't get it twisted: feminists are mostly progressives, who mostly vote for progressive policies that directly address a number of male issues such as low wages for shit jobs, social services to low income people (which include men who are fall behind), and no wars that would require a draft. However, feminists are against women being blamed for men's dating issues and this idea that it's up to women to change their dating preferences so less men are lonely. In this particular men's issue, femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:31 PM
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I once went on a date with a guy who thought he’d impress me by tipping the bartender $100 on a $15 cocktail. He made a big deal of showing this off, which made the genuinely generous action lose all of its value to me. He also spent the entire date talking about his financial successes and didn’t ever bother to ask me about mine. So he didn’t even know that I made more money than him, and that this kind of financial flaunting did absolutely nothing for me. It was honestly bizarre seeing a grown…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:45 AM
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I would rather a man who hates women emotionally but fights for our rights, holds men accountable, and doesn’t enact violence upon us, than a man who says he loves women but acts the opposite. The problem is that men who hate women do all of the above. Women who hate men don’t. They simply don’t date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:23 PM
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Men are, on average, basically poor. Eventually, women discover that there’s no “gold” to dig, no resources that men provide. They teach their daughters to make their own money, so they do. And then they look for a man for other qualities, not his resources—and too many can’t clear that bar either. You’re living in a revenge fantasy. Men are not providers. Women are working. Women with kids are working.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:25 PM
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I “settled” for flings who were attractive enough but not enough for repeat contact, and definitely not passing the bar for relationship material. I’m doing the opposite of setting in my 30’s. My guy is hot hot hot and great relationship material. Why would I settle with the person I want to be in a relationship with? They need to have the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:03 AM
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This is what happens when you’re so homophobic that you think anything remotely complimentary to your boys makes you gay—and that’s the root of your assumption that women who like the aesthetics of women’s bodies must also be gay. You can appreciate it without wanting to fuck it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:30 PM
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Such a funny joke. Ha. Ha. Ha.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 12:06 AM
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Then by definition they don’t hate all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:51 PM
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If you say so…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 02:33 AM
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Doesn’t mean they don’t experience the same shame that men who pay for prostitutes do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:06 PM
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That is not a blue pill argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:50 PM
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Listen, if it makes you feel better to think that women don’t want to date you because they are mostly gay, then by all means, keep living in your fantasy or whatever. But don’t make up weird issues that don’t exist and talk about it like it’s some well known phenomenon that would inspire a legitimate debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:32 PM
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Men who have ai robotic girlfriends will experience the same shame that men who pay for prostitutes often do, for the same reason. It’s pathetic, not a real substitute for a human woman, and embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:26 PM
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As I said, everyone is free to make the standards they want. When women have higher standards than what men provide, they complain that men aren’t meeting their standards. Women would love to be in a relationship with a guy who checks their boxes. But so often, the guy is a disappointment, so they end up single again. The difference is that women would rather be single than with a guy who isn’t meeting their standards. And the issue doesn’t seem to be that women can’t attract the men they want. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:21 PM
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The thing is, it doesn’t matter if you think that women are not as good as the standards they demand of their male partners. Everyone is free to make the standards that work for them. And if it doesn’t work for them, then they stay single. This goes both ways. If men are single because they are not good enough for a woman they wanna date, then they either don’t date or they improve to become attractive to that woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:42 PM
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Ok? The point in my comment doesn’t change. Men who exude positive masculinity exist, and we point them out as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:38 PM
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Positive masculinity was a response to men saying that there are no positive male role models for them to look up to. There are in fact plenty of men who excuse positive qualities, put them in whatever category you want, but because they are MALE, we call them examples of “positive masculinity”. It’s not as deep as what you’re claiming. It’s just an alternative—not the ONLY alternative, just one of many—to the scourge of toxic masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:03 PM
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There’s no greater threat to women than men. But even so, women don’t hate men. They are wary of men. They are suspicious of men. Men on the other hand kill women, harass them on the street, intimidate them for fun, etc. THAT is an indication of hate. Not women simply not marrying or having kids with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:53 PM
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It’s only hard if you’re unable to handle being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:42 AM
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Men can demand anything they wish. The catch is that women also have standards. And if a woman doesn’t want a man who expects her to do all those things, she can simply not date that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:41 AM
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No line. Be as picky as you want. Men need to be way pickier. They have dirt standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:55 PM
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They are not even remotely equally egregious. One requires awareness because of injustice. One is a minor inconvenience born from apathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:26 AM
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It’s more unnecessary to sexually assault someone. Unfortunately, the heinousness of that act and the awareness needed to fight the constant threat of sexual assault takes precedence over your slight discomfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:15 AM
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Pretty wild to see a man equate sexual assault with talking about sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:48 AM
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Like most people, I am with someone who reflects my own socio economic class. I have two masters degrees. My partner has a phd. We both make ~$150k (although I technically make more). We are both atheists, city dwellers, super progressive. It makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:35 PM
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The amount of times I have said “this is what I want in my romantic life,” or even “this is what my romantic life actively looks like,” I get told I’m some 1 in a million unicorn or just straight up lying. Like…I’m not that special. I just an average woman. There are many, many like us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 02:36 PM
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The Facebook groups that are designed to catch cheaters BEFORE women get into relationships with them? The ones that PREVENT women from all dating the same guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 01:02 PM
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That’s why it’s so important to define “objectification”. Because when you realize it’s not just flirting, you can conclude that men also do not like this. Men are objectified by being forced to be drafted into the military. Their bodies are used as weapons. That is a fully dehumanizing thing that men experience. So men who claim they want to be objectified simply do not know what it means to be objectified. When you put it in a nonsexual lens, men understand immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:37 PM
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No, see…women DONT like it if even a hot man objectifies them. They don’t like when their own PARTNERS objectify them—that’s why I wanted to clarify with you what you’re calling objectification. You even admitted that women in relationships don’t want to be objectified by their partners. But now you’re saying women do like it if the man is hot. See your contradiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:11 PM
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I agree with much of this. But simply the title of your post is misleading. Women DO hate objectification. Full stop. Men hate it too, even though they also misconstrue the definition and make stupid statements like “men wish they could be objectified”. So in that sense, the conversation is not dishonest. It is fair to say that BOTH men and women misuse the term “objectification”. You included. But when you go further into your argument, I absolutely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:55 PM
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But you continue to not really define what objectification is. I argue as a woman in a relationship, I don’t want my boyfriend to objectify me either. I want my boyfriend to flirt with me—I don’t want him to treat me like an object. I want him to treat me like a human. So what behaviors are you associating to dehumanization and objectification? Because I feel like you keep skipping around what YOU are defining these things by.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:25 PM
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First of all, you are conflating objectification with flirting. These are not necessarily the same things. So before you make any other part of your argument, you have to have a consistent definition of what an object objectification actually is. Assuming you’re just talking about flirting, you’re absolutely right, it does matter who is flirting with me. A stranger that I don’t know is someone who I don’t want to flirt with me. My own boyfriend? Please, flirt away. I don’t want some random guy m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:08 PM
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And you’re satisfied with that as evidence? You don’t think evidence like that exists for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:56 PM
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That’s not what I’m arguing. I’m pushing back on your claim that many women would rather be with a super famous hot man in a less committed role, as a separate behavior not also demonstrated in men. You claim there is data to support this? Show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:22 PM
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When your entire premise is based on a made up fact, yeah…I’d be confused too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:13 PM
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Don’t you think “many men” would also rather be with a super famous hot woman in a less committed role than be the husband of an average woman? And if you think for some reason that “many men” would not, then what biases have led you to believe that men are any different in this respect? Finally, what is an example of someone who has a higher income but is not of a higher social class?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:09 PM
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20% isn’t a lot if it’s not all 20% guys who are dating multiple women. You think 20% of men are cheaters?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:01 PM
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Where do women admit they are all dating the same guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:00 PM
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It’s the magical contradiction that demonizes women no matter what they do: either you have too high standards and are a shallow person, or you “settle” for a man for his “resources”. And god forbid you have high standards and THEN end up with a guy who other men deem is “safe.” Their conclusion will be that you had fun with other guys until you landed with the “secure” option. They will conclude this without knowing anything about your history, or the other guys you’ve been with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:43 AM
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This is the sort of thing you write when your goal isn’t to improve men’s lives but to simply take down women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 10:36 PM
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“A lot of top 20% dudes” is not only your opinion, but by definition not A LOT of dudes. The more you talk, the more you prove my point. I said that women have no issue giving empathy to men who complain without saying absolutist, sexist, and entitled statements. And here we are, with women not showing you an ounce of empathy because you have made it clear that you don’t deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 10:35 PM
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There’s the absolutist statement that proves my point. “You ladies” is just women who didn’t approach you. Women have been rejected before. It is not as uncommon as you think it is. It’s just never happened to YOU. But you make such ignorant statements such as ladies don’t make the first move and can’t be rejected. I asked out my boyfriend. This already disproves your absolutist statement. You also continue to harp on studies that don’t prove your point. The average age difference in straight re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:14 PM
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There’s the absolutist statement that proves my point. “You ladies” is just women who didn’t approach you. Women have been rejected before. It is not as uncommon as you think it is. It’s just never happened to YOU. But you make such ignorant statements such as ladies don’t make the first move and can’t be rejected. I asked out my boyfriend. This already disproves your absolutist statement. You also continue to harp on studies that don’t prove your point. The average age difference in straight re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:13 PM
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A lot of men (like you) do not understand how extremely easy it is for women to show empathy to men for any of their woes—so long as the man doesn’t say something incredibly sexist, entitled, or absolutist. You can say that you’re lonely, but if in the same breath you’re blaming women for not using their vaginas as arbiters of morality…well, sorry. No empathy for you. Men like you seem incapable of complaining without comparison. If something is hard for you, you add that it’s hard harder for yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:27 PM
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OP isn’t saying that men are assholes for wanting relationships, or that men only want them to show off to other men. He’s saying a very real truth, which is that society tells men that they have failed if they aren’t having sex with women. Men can both want relationships AND they can feel like they have failed without one, at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:05 PM
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Literally every day men most on here about needing validation from women, and being upset at not getting it because [insert blame of women’s dating choices].
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:00 PM
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I think it does. OP describes archetypes of the blue pill and a kind of man that the blue pill does not take responsibility for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:47 PM
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I'm not saying Megan is more famous than Elon Musk, I'm saying that it's not at all hard to see that the fame that accompanies a music career can eclipse the fame of athletes. Even the ones who are at the top of their field. My argument is that Megan Thee Stallion is more famous than Klay Thompson. And I stand by that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:49 AM
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In the US. Klay is known globally. This should tell us everything we need to know about your ability to think critically. Read that sentence slowly my dude. Now imagine if it were 100x harder to get a single Grammy. That would be the equivalent of winning the NBA Championship. He has done it 4 times. You just made up a stat about how hard it is to win a Grammy vs win the NBA. By that kind of reasoning, she is more popular than Jesus Christ because he has no Instagram and very few Youtube views a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:39 AM
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Yeah but smth happens, like anything, even the smallest sliver of anything. Anything meaning...men would be happier if women yelled obscenities at them on the street? Any attention is better than no attention? That's ridiculous. Once that aspect of your life gets so stale it almost rots, even negative attention becomes better than nothing, at keast you feel smth. Again, not saying it's right, still it feels good. You need therapy. Negative attention does not feel good to a well adjusted person. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:51 PM
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All I see are celebrity gossip articles that mention "alleged" diaries that have never been confirmed for clicks...? And definitely no evidence that he was a "known cheater" when Megan started dating him. But if you have any proof that I couldn't find, by all means, please link it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:33 PM
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You know how men call themselves "subhuman" because the way they are treated makes them feel worthless? That's the kind of negative association women have with objectification. It's not "oooh he thinks I'm sexy, score!" It's "he thinks I'm subhuman." "Something bad very often is better than absolute void" is not the comparison that you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:26 PM
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Stop assigning ideology to the blue pill where it doesn't exist. Blue pill is anything that isn't red pill. It's everyone else. It doesn't have a playbook. It doesn't have a set of rules or advice. There is no blue pill advice apart from "any advice that isn't red pill."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:22 PM
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But the thing is this dude is known to be a cheater, he's in a field where men are known to cheat, his cheating is documented the dude made a diary at one point talking about how much he loves sex and cheating. Did you just make this up? Because I cannot find any evidence that this was a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:20 PM
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Irrelevant comment from a sad, desperate little man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:18 PM
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Way more people know who Klay Thompson is, it's incomparable. Wrong. Just because you like Klay Thompson more doesn't change the fact that Megan is more famous globally. Megan Thee Stallion is a major pop culture figure. a Grammy-winning rapper with hit songs and crossover into film, TV, and brand deals. Did you know that not everyone follows sports? Evidence: Megan has ~32.8 million followers on IG. Klay has ~16.7 million. That's half of her follower count. Megan also has 10+ billion Spotify st…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:17 PM
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You’re saying this from the perspective of a dude-centered mainstream outlook. I’m not diminishing his accomplishments, I’m comparing their fame. You could be the no. 1 curler in the world, but your name will not be a household name. Megan is a global pop star. Klay is an American basketball star. The amount of people who know who she is vs him is…hardly comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:47 PM
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Uhhh Megan is WAY more famous than Klay. He’s a basketball player. There are dozens and dozens of those. She’s a top level female pop star. There are about 10 of those. Guarantees Klay will never date someone as rich and famous as Megan again. Megan can easily bag an athlete.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:35 PM
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You can’t compare two different standards and then complain when one isn’t viewed the same way as the other. An accurate comparison to prove your point would be to compare a man who doesn’t want a woman with a high body count vs a woman who doesn’t want a man with a high body count. Right now, you’re comparing a man’s opinions about body count to a woman’s opinions about…well, a lot of different things, but not body count. If you want to convince anyone of the point you’re trying to make, you ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:44 PM
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I never said you said that. That’s what you took from the statement? Talking to men on Reddit is…exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 10:12 PM
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I don't think it's insulting to ask if someone ever considered the beautiful act of adoption. I do think it's a little insulting to imply that adopted children aren't real family to the people who adopted them. But if you don't want a woman to be present at all in the comments, I'll respect that wish and peace out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:26 PM
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I agree, they're all wrong. They sure love fighting me about it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:20 PM
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um...why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:18 PM
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3 men? How about every self-professed ugly man on this sub who makes this exact claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:18 PM
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Would you ever consider adopting?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:17 PM
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Men on this site say every day that it's "not fair" that other men can act like assholes and still get laid. That they have to act "good" because they're not hot enough to get laid and be an asshole at the same time. They even go as far as claiming that women are attracted to toxic behavior, as if that's a female specific phenomenon. It's bizarre. It's men admitting that they're upset that they have to act like good men while other men "get to be" assholes. At the heart of this statement is men …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:16 PM
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Out of curiosity, how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 09:08 PM
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I think framing bad behavior being accepted due to good looks as “not fair” is an extremely toxic mindset. What do you mean by not fair? Do you mean that you wish you could act poorly and get away with it? Do you desire to act like an asshole, and simply don’t because you think that’s the only way that you can get a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 05:44 PM
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Define “taken seriously”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:46 PM
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For me, it’s if you are caught asking out a ton of women in the same vicinity, if you’re overly suggestive, if you push back in any way to a rejection, if you move to physical touch upon first meeting someone, and if you demonstrate obviously negative social cues like staring too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:46 PM
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The man vs. bear is an opinion that a woman states when she is asked. Nowhere is the man vs. bear considered a fact or a science.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:48 PM
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It “works” for women because there is facts and science that support it. Men are free to use facts and science to pick their issues too. The 80/20 rule is not a real science, so every time a man uses it to play victim, he gets laughed at. When a man uses real facts and science to claim victimhood, and accurately assesses who or what is to blame, I have no issue agreeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:32 PM
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0.9% is 14.8 million men in the United States. That’s basically one in a hundred men. Walking down the street in a major city, one can easily pass by hundreds of men. And that’s only if you consider violent crime. If you also open up the umbrella to nonviolent, but inappropriate and unwanted behavior, the chance dramatically increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:58 AM
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Women are generally comfortable inviting other women into their social circle. Men are also comfortable with this, especially when you realize they are largely hoping for some kind of romantic attention from the interaction. Women are less comfortable inviting new men in for the exact reason men are thrilled to welcome women in. This is understandable. Men are also not as willing to let other men into their social circle for unclear reasons. So as I see it, it is largely up to men to be proactiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:28 AM
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Oh for sure. Men need grace with not knowing how to perfectly ask someone out on a date. The creepiness fear is sometimes because women react badly to being hit on by someone they do y like. HOWEVER, there are clear lines in many cases. Some dudes are genuinely just creepy, and women have to be on guard for them. But men with the best intentions fear being considered a creep, and I think those guys should be given a lot of grace if they confess feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:38 PM
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Bingo. Some of my female friends have dated or married some dudes that actually repel me sexually. But hey, it works for them! They’re crazy about them. And they understand that how they see them isn’t how anyone else necessarily sees them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:34 PM
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But you’re not arguing whether women get more attention than men. You’re arguing a version of the 80/20 rule, which is making a numerical claim about how many women give attention to how many men. It’s not controversial for anyone to say that women get more attention than men. But that’s not what you’re arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:53 PM
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What are men providing? This is smelling like the gold digging complaints from men who have no gold to dig.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:24 AM
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Pretty privilege is completely different from claiming that a small group of men get the most attention. Pretty privilege also applies to women. And generally speaking, it means that prettier people have advantages in life across many different areas, including dating. Perhaps you need to be more specific. How small a group of men? How much of the attention? Because if you start saying stupid stats that have been disproved like the 80 20 rule, then that is a ridiculous thing to attribute to pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:07 AM
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Huh? If a woman said something as silly as that, I’d definitely push back. Admittedly, I don’t have much opportunity to do that because women dont say this nearly as much as men. In fact, I rarely ever see this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:55 PM
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Ok first of all, there is a HUGE difference between the BTS aesthetic and the femboy photo that you shared earlier. And if you can’t see that, I don’t know how to continue this conversation. BTS is a bunch of skinny guys who are Asian and have amazing stylists dressing them and grooming them. The photo you shared is a man cross dressing as a little girl. I also want to challenge your feeling that men going crop top dances have to get equal sexual attention as women. Why does this have to be equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:32 PM
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Ok…if you looked at the guys I had casual sex with and compared them to my partner now, you would have a different opinion than someone else I might ask or my own opinion. In my opinion, my partner is hotter than any of the guys I had one night stands with. But guys like you will just claim I’m lying. That’s really your only option when encountered with examples that disprove your absolutist claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:38 AM
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Okay, so just like I predicted, this post has nothing to do with the titled subject of your post and everything to do with YOU wanting to be a femboy (or being attracted to femboys yourself). That photo you just showed? The overwhelming majority of men have no interest in doing that--not because society is shaming them out of it--but because they genuinely don't want to do that. So this is a personal fixation for you that you should probably unpack in a different post that's not disguised as som…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:28 PM
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This is an excellent comment. When men try to date, they are not physically able to try to date the entire population of a country, or a state, hell...not even really a city if it's big enough. As much as dating apps and social media have given us the illusion of globalism, in a community-centered activity such as dating, you're way more likely to be comparing people within the realm of your own socio-economic circle. That's why people tend to end up with people in their own socio-economic circl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:21 PM
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When you say femboys, do you just mean...non muscular skinny guys? And when you say "feminine sexual validation", do you just mean skinny guys getting sexual attention? What is "feminine sexual validation"? Is it how much sexual validation you get? Is it the femininity of the person getting the sexual validation? Is it getting objectified and dehumanized? If yes, is getting objectified and dehumanized a privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:10 PM
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What resources? Men are, on average, poor. Women are increasingly getting educated and making money and buying property.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:20 PM
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You’re free to think that. It’s rare for a one night stand to be better than a preferred long term partner just because of biology. Most men don’t magically know how to rock a random woman’s world right away. And men who think they do, generally have a completely different idea of how good they are compared to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:18 PM
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All women? Wow, another absolutist statement that is stupidly easy to disprove. Hi, I’m a woman, and I have higher standards for relationships than casual sex. Look at the comments in this thread—plenty of women agree with me. If you don’t believe charisma has anything to do with it, then that’s just because you don’t have it 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:16 PM
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I’m above average height for a woman, and I’d like a man who is my height or taller. I’m 5’8” and my partner is like 5’8 1/2 “. I have never dated a guy who is above six feet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:55 PM
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You’re absolutely free to not get married and just sleep around. I had my whole casual sex phase too and I largely enjoyed it. I just enjoy having a loving partner more, and luckily, we don’t have any issues with me not wanting to have sex with him or vice versa. Also, for many women, the best sex they will ever have will be with their long term partner who can learn how to pleasure her body much better over time than a random one night stand. So win win for women like me I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:52 PM
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I can answer your questions once I understand why you’re so fixated on this random femboy thing, which honestly is coming out of left field, and seems to be unrelated to the questions you’re asking. But you spend so much time talking about it that it’s obviously very much related to what you’re asking. I just don’t understand what the connection is for you. Like…is the essence of your post about femboys or about the difficulty of the dating market?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:48 PM
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Sorry, I can’t answer any of your questions because I simply cannot get past your obsession with femboys. This is like some kind of kink for you? Or are you just describing the aesthetic of a not muscled jacked man? And do you realize that that aesthetic has been popular for a very long time?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:31 PM
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Show the stats then we can discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:12 PM
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The average age gap of a straight couple is a little over two years. That means that there are also some people who have age gaps much larger than that. So you can surmise that most women who are 28 or 29 years old are dating men 30 and above. And then you could extrapolate that a decent amount of women several years younger than that also are dating men over 30. This is just simple math.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:41 PM
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But that’s stat that you’re referencing is women under 30. If you have stats for women over 30, by all means, please present them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:39 PM
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It’s not “young women”. It’s women under 30. And much of that 30% statistic is simply women dating men over 30. So it’s really not that skewed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:44 AM
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But he could run into women who want casual sex, just not with him. What point are you trying to make? Some men will get laid more than others. Some men will get into more relationships than others. Some women have higher standards for casual sex looks than for relationships. Some women have higher standards for relationship looks than casual sex. Looks and charism both play a part. Women are not consistent. Men are not consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:41 AM
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Not really. Women don’t want casual sex as much as men do overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:07 AM
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He hasn’t found women who find him attractive enough and want to have casual sex. He has found women who find him attractive enough and want a relationship. He is not dating the same woman. Women have a variety of ideas of what is attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:20 AM
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Casual sex = hot enough to have sex once and never again. Relationship = hot enough to have sex over and over again with the same person. I have never been that attracted to guys I had casual sex with. That’s why I “pump and dump”. If they were worth having more sex with them, I’d get into a relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:49 PM
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I can look around my own social circle and disprove that immediately. What are you talking about? When I first started dating my boyfriend he made $40k. At one point I was making over double what he was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:09 PM
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If you’re broke and ugly, yeah…not an attractive combo. But there is a HUGE middle ground between that and rich and hot. Most men are somewhere in the middle and most women in relationships are in relationships with men who are somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:22 AM
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You can ALSO attract women by being tall, rich, and charismatic. These are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 09:53 PM
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“Be yourself” doesn’t mean change literally nothing about yourself. That piece of advice is about finding authenticity, not being stubbornly mediocre.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:57 AM
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I just said that those men are rejected because of their negative behavior. Me ALSO get rejected because they don’t have looks, money, or status. But I wasn’t talking about those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:56 AM
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You’re not that much older. Eventually you either stop dating or you become the weirdo in your community who only hits on barely legal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:55 AM
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I do not relate to a single part of your post. When I met my boyfriend, he was making less than $40k a year, drove a very old car that he still has to this day, and had three roommates. I have never “fallen back on others”. If I didn’t like a guy, I did not date him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:53 AM
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Why does you making yourself much more attractive negate the very real truth that plenty of men who demonstrate negative behaviors do in fact repel women due to those behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:33 AM
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OP, if you want to stop dating women after 22, then by all means, please remove yourself from the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:21 AM
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What is the contradiction? You described a guy who is attractive in many different ways and compared him to a literal basement dweller—were you ever of the belief that both of these types of men would attract women equally?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:16 AM
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What you call poison, we call wisdom. Maybe it’s time men figure out how to not rely on women for their happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:15 PM
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I have been consistent from the beginning. You’re the only one who keeps bringing up unrelated topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:12 PM
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One is a trend and one is not. It is a trend that women complain about men not leaving them alone. It is not a trend that women are sad that men aren’t approaching them more. And don’t patronize me. I didn’t bring up the bear thing, you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:12 AM
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Hahaha you continue to not give me the piece of information I’d need to give you my age. And the longer you draw this out, the stupider you look.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:46 AM
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Compare that to the number of women who continue to complain that men won’t leave them alone. Which one is bigger? We all know the answer, and it’s not even close. Also, don’t bring the bear thing into this because it only validates my argument. That’s about men being dangerous, and women not wanting to be stuck with them. That has nothing to do with women complaining about men not approach and everything to do with women not wanting men to be around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:46 AM
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You are being laughed at in this thread because you just make up fan fiction in your head and get mad at it. The fact that I have not disclosed my age and yet you already believe I am a certain age proves this. You have not explained why you need to know this, and you have not given me your word that you will admit you are wrong when I do tell you how old I am. So I have nothing to lose in this interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:31 PM
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Why? If my age is not close to menopause, will you admit that you only know how to write fan fiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:11 PM
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It does not exist in a trending fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:39 PM
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OP only knows how to write fan fiction apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:38 PM
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OP had the free will to write fan fiction of a world where women are as miserable as he is and he still couldn’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:56 PM
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If all men paid women to sleep with them, they too could have a body count comparable to that sex trafficking monster!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:46 PM
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You are claiming women are, in a trending fashion, complaining about men not pursuing them? Meanwhile, everyone else is seeing the exact opposite. We are seeing MEN constantly complaining that women aren’t going for them. “Where are all the good men” is not about men not approaching women. It’s about there not being a whole lot of men worth pursuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:40 PM
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Because he literally made up a “male loser epidemic” and compared it to an equally made up “crisis of men” epidemic, designed to make it sound like women are crying about men not wanting to date them. When the reality is that women are fed up with the amount of men who won’t stop bothering them, while it’s men who are the most bothered by women not wanting to date them. The whole thing is a giant projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:50 PM
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You didn’t have to say it babe. Trust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:26 PM
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OP is personally offended that women don’t want to date some men, therefore he expects women to also be personally offended if men don’t want to date some women. The well adjusted individual will say that no one should be dating anyone they don’t like, in either direction. That would be the worst outcome of all. So as a woman, if a bunch of men don’t want to date me, that’s completely fine. In fact, that’s preferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:22 PM
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I mean, when you threaten to leave the dating pool like that and then fail to do what you say, it does make it kind of hard to believe you mean what you say. To the men who say this and then stop all of that, it is absolutely believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 05:38 PM
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Ok im trying to piece together your rant, but im not really seeing how much of what you’re saying has to do with anything I wrote. I don’t think young men getting sexually assaulted is a choice. And it’s a huge leap to say that anything I wrote implies that. I’m also not exaggerating any part of women’s oppression. Not being able to vote for over half of the existence of a nation is not “a handful of years,” and that’s not to mention things like poll taxes which further make it difficult for wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:38 PM
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They're literally not. Provide with what? What money? What house? Women are just making their own money, and being happy that they don't have to be dependent on men for survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:16 PM
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Not only is this a total nonsequitor, but literally, leftists do not think the money they receive should be equally distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:14 PM
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Exactly, the amount of women I know whose boyfriends and husbands I can’t even IMAGINE thinking of in a sexual way…like, this is more about how traditionally attractive men have more romantic attention than the rest. For some reason this phenomenon freaks out so many guys. It doesn’t mean every other guy has zero chance of getting a girlfriend. It just means it’s easier for some guys than others. There is quite literally nothing that we do as humans that is equally easy or attainable for everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:11 PM
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Unfortunately for a lot of teenagers, “lived experience” is indistinguishable from online content. They are more online than they are in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:57 PM
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You know all those women I mentioned who are childless and getting degrees and earning their own money? They’re not mad that men aren’t providing. They’re happy to have their own safety net.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:56 PM
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Women who do the same? Who spew misandrist garbage because they’re mad that men don’t give them romantic attention? Sure id call those women bullies. There’s not a lot of them, but sure, I have no issue calling them out for that. The rest of your comment is irrelevant as I’m not talking about men who dont bully women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:22 AM
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Men who spew misogynistic garbage because they’re upset that women don’t give them romantic attention ARE bullies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:07 PM
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For me personally, I definitely initiate with guys I like. I don’t chase because I think that’s dumb. If they don’t like me, I’m not going to try to convince them. But in the past, I’ve absolutely initiated with men I liked. I asked my current boyfriend out after he threw a party and invited me and we had mad chemistry at the party. I literally sent him a text asking if he wanted to go for dinner later less than an hour after the party ended lol For dating apps, when I’ve wanted hookups, I’ve me…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 06:25 PM
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That metaphor only works if you believe being a single man is comparable to being disabled. Also, I never said anyone was “jealous losers”. Those are your words.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 01:18 PM
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Oooh what’s a chore monkey boyfriend? Is that a red pills way of describing a man in a normal happy relationship with a woman who fucks him on the reg?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:12 PM
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Little black dress? Drinks at a smoky bar? My boyfriend who has had plenty of relationships before me, has never had any of these experiences you’re talking about, and has had no issue getting women who desire him. You have a completely romanticized fantasy version in your head of how real well adjusted men who actually attract women spend their time. The truth is that good men do get desired, and good men get rejected. Assholes get desired, AND assholes get rejected. There are also average look…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:18 PM
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Weak extension of the metaphor. If a woman doesn’t want to have sex with a man for ANY reason, superficial or not, it does not validate the rampant sexism that prevails in red pill communities. In my metaphor, the kid does not give his lunch money to the bully for free. He does not want to give his lunch money to the bully at all. And here you are, trying to make it seem like women want to be mistreated. Blaming women for the misogynistic bullshit coming out of the manosphere. And perfectly illu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:50 PM
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It’s not about “requires”. We are comparing the two. And a person who does something selflessly for nothing in return is morally upstanding compared to someone who retracts their niceties due to being denied something they want—something that I might add, the woman is also not “required” to give, but I digress. I have already talked about whose morals we are referring to generally. And if that’s not satisfactory to you then, then there’s really nothing more to say in this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 05:25 PM
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The scenario is not whether she’s entitled to assistance, it is that she would help him even if she didn’t get anything from him, while he stops helping her because she is not giving him sex. That makes her morally upstanding compared to him. I’ll repeat that again. We are not arguing whether it is morally good to generally help someone in the scenario. We are comparing the fact that if she would help him with nothing in return, and he would not, that makes her morally better than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:47 PM
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Obviously what is considered morally good CAN change. But in THIS scenario, what is considered morally good is unambiguous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:38 PM
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I’ve stated my point many times in this thread. Everyone reading this can see it. I don’t have anything more to say to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:31 PM
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Laws aren’t the arbiters of morality, but I never said they were. And you’re dead wrong. Ignoring morals doesn’t mean what is considered morally good changes. If everyone on earth lies, it doesn’t make lying morally good. Lying CAN be morally good, but in the general terms we are speaking in, we agree that lying is more of less not a “good” moral action. The number of people following morality doesn’t have anything to do with what is considered morally good. In fact, the entire basis of the Bibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:31 PM
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There it is folks. Thank you for so beautifully illustrating my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:22 PM
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Well, technically you can ignore the widely accepted beliefs, but that doesn’t change the widely accepted belief itself. If a lot of people murder, that doesn’t magically make murder morally good. The quantity of people violating morality does not correlate with whether we accept the terms of that morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 02:07 PM
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I’ve always been open to accepting women are at fault for elements of society, but the point you’ve so brilliant illustrated for me, is that beyond not fucking men, people like OP (and apparently like you) are unable to identify what women should do tangibly differently that don’t involve giving men romantic attention that women are not morally obligated to give. You’re the ones pointing blame and demanding action. It is incumbent on you to identify specifically what women are being blamed for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:58 PM
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So you want women to general acknowledge they are “at fault” for nothing specific at all. Just—“we are at fault for something generally!” Great argument… No one here can take you seriously unless you actually can answer WHAT women are supposed to take accountability for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:44 PM
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You’re still not answering the question. You want women to acknowledge they are at fault. At fault for WHAT?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:39 PM
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Let’s say the standard set of widely held beliefs shared across societies of earth and printed in a multitude of religious texts that says that selflessness is generally good, and selfishness is generally bad, and that treating your neighbor with respect is generally good, and watching your neighbor suffer is generally bad. This can be seen clearly in this fictional scenario where the only thing driving the man’s motivation to help her is to attain sex from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:36 PM
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It’s not disingenuous, I’m genuinely asking. Because you never offer any clarity as to WHAT women are supposed to take accountability for and HOW they are supposed to take accountability, and the entire thesis of OP’s post is about women not giving men enough romantic attention—what the hell else is it supposed to mean? So if you mean something else, please describe WHAT and HOW otherwise everyone is just filling in the blanks based on OP’s post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:03 PM
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It quite literally makes her better than him morally speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:52 PM
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So “simping” in this scenario is just not leaving your only companion on a deserted island to suffer?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:50 PM
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You said they chase after hot high status men even if those men are bullies and assholes. That does not mean “some”. That means women chase hot men, regardless of how they act. Period. And that’s not true. Women also reject hot high status men because they are bullies and assholes. You focus on the women who pursue because it’s easier to see that visually with your eyes. But you don’t focus on all the women NOT pursuing all around you. That is harder to focus on because it requires seeing beyond…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:46 PM
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Now you are arguing in favor of the definition of economic independence that you made up. I think your goal in this conversation is simply to be contrarian to everything I say, regardless of if your own arguments are consistent. I not going to have a conversation with a man who is arguing with a wall instead of with me. Good luck out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:37 PM
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Can you answer the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:39 AM
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Why, in your fantasy, are all popular boys and hot men bullies and assholes? Did you know that women also chase popular boys and hot men who are nice and great guys? They also reject boys of all looks for being bullies and assholes. Did you know that all of this happens at the same time because men and women aren’t monoliths?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:59 AM
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Take accountability for what? For NOT fucking you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:57 AM
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I already said this, but apparently you need it restated. “Economic independence” does not mean genders can survive if half the population stops participating. Economic independence does not mean genders are magically able to segregate and completely untangle each other’s impact on society. You are arguing against a definition that you made up, even after I clarified what I meant. “Gender ideology” is a meaningless term that you also just made up. Which gender ideology? Any gender ideology? The …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:54 AM
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Which fallen empires have been correlated with en masse female economic independence?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 03:46 AM
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Where did I say it would make women have less mothering desires? Women who want to stay home and raise the kids would still have the choice to do so. But if you want kids AND you want to have your own career and ambitions, you also would be able to just like a man would.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:07 PM
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So your definition of men “winning” is men essentially falling into their most violent, evil, oppressive ways? I couldn’t say the same for women—our definition of winning is not having to disrupt our hopes and dreams to do the bulk of child rearing. It’s not enacting mass oppression of men. Are you also implying that the only thing stopping men from rampant abuse and violence against women right now is that they view women as incubators for the child they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 10:03 PM
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People don’t build houses because of the generosity of their hearts. They do it because they get paid. It is a transaction of labor for money. Water does not come from men. Water is a naturally occurring resource. People who work in water supplies also do not do this work out of the generosity of their hearts. Workers get paid. Men are not the sources of electricity either. People who work in electricity also get paid for their work. Men are perfectly welcome to stop earning money in these jobs …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:58 PM
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If we had accessible artificial wombs available to most women, and proven to be safe for the baby, I think a LOT of women would take advantage of this. And as a result, I believe women as a whole would have unprecedented levels of wealth and economic independence never seen in that demographic before. Men would be expected to help out with the child in equal measure because there’s no excuse about women biologically have to tend to the child more. If women’s careers did not get stalled because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:22 PM
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1) Loneliness should be addressed, but not by presuming that women should give more romantic attention to more men. It is not women’s moral obligation to satiate men’s romantic loneliness by giving them romantic attention. 2) Marriage dropping is neither good nor bad. It is just a trend. The only tangible negative outcome of this is that people who work in the wedding industry will have less customers. 3) Single mothers and abortion go hand in hand. Women who do not have access to abortion becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:11 PM
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Doesn’t excuse the rampant sexism in the movement. Men can and should be helped if they have been truly abused. At the same time, men of any background need to be called out for blatant sexist behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:03 PM
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I said nothing about the fall of the west. Why do you make a connection between women’s economic independence and the fall of the west?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:00 PM
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Men want to be victims so badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:56 PM
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That’s correct. And that’s why women are supporting themselves more than ever before. Amongst first time home buyers, the biggest demographic is single women. The number of childless women grows every year. More women are getting college educations. Etc. Despite what society tells us about men and their supposed obligation to provide, enough women have been abandoned by men who claimed to support them that it has become clear that the stupidest thing a woman can do economically is be dependent o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:54 PM
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I mean, in the sense that women are not choosing men as much as men want to be chosen—sure, women are the “reason” for red pilling men. But that insinuates that there is blame that should be rectified by a change in action. When a bully hits a kid in school because the kid didn’t give up his lunch money, you can’t blame the kid for not giving the bully what he wants. That doesn’t justify the hate. Women are not getting married and having kids with men as much as in the past, but that’s not a jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:39 PM
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You’re upset because you think that the reason why women aren’t initiating more with men is because they dont think men are equal to them and don’t have empathy for men. When in reality, it’s because they’re not interested in a majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:07 PM
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Nowhere in your edits did you come even remotely close to explaining how men are prosecuted by women. The best you could come up with is women NOT doing things. Not approaching men. Not asking men out on dates. Not texting back. Not having “realistic” standards. This is not any form of prosecution. This is just complaints that women do not have interest in men as much as men have interest in women. There is no moral obligation for women to pursue men if they do not want to. You even explained qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:48 PM
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A normal person would have understood MY point by now. It’s unfortunate YOU aren’t able to. Have a nice life!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:05 AM
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I think you are challenged. Genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:35 AM
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It. Is. Not. Sexist. To. Point. Out. Other. People’s. Sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:31 AM
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You clearly don’t agree because I am pointing out OP’s sexism. OP wrote the post. I am responding.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:25 AM
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Because it’s not sexist to point out other people’s sexism. It’s not bigoted to point out other people’s bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 11:39 PM
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Ah, so your definition of empathy is letting men say any number of sexist things they want without pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:35 PM
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I’m responding to the conversation I commented on where you started talking about advocating for empathy and another commenter asked for clarification on what practically that looks like and what examples of bad behavior are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:24 PM
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Do you deny that a concerning amount of men blame women for not fucking them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:22 PM
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A good place to stop repelling women is to stop spewing misogynistic horseshit like “people need to blame women more”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:35 PM
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When you think not having sex is a form of persecution, then you come to the conclusions that OP has come to. When you think inaction is the same as active oppression, then you say things like what OP is saying. Women aren’t going to change their minds on who they pick just because men are unhappy that they are not getting picked. There is no crime committed by women not swiping on you or not fucking you or not being attracted to you. Let’s say all those stats you mentioned are completely true. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:16 PM
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They don’t fuck him. It’s literally just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:12 PM
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100% of men who cry about not receiving empathy like OP is are specifically talking about sex. They don’t want empathy alone because that wouldn’t change their situation. Dig a little deeper and op will reveal he’s like all the rest of them. He can’t name what empathy actually looks like because he just means sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:09 PM
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Let me say this very clearly: these studies provide ZERO evidence in support of your claim. The first one has a sample size of 30. Not only is that a pathetically small number, but there is nothing in that study that proves that the orgasms experienced by these women during PIV sex are orgasms through penetration alone. If a woman uses a toy, or her own hands while PIV is happening—none of that is disclosed. The study is not about PIV orgasm alone, it is about frequency of orgasm with PIV vs sol…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:58 AM
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Ah, so all these studies control for every other important factor in why a relationship might be good, right? ….right? If you don’t link the study, it’s hard to validate anything you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 12:47 AM
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Well go ahead, link the study. I wanna know how much LESS emotional attachment I’m supposedly missing. And I would love to know by what measurement they are using. Is this on a scale of 1-10? Did they assess women’s emotional attachment based on their differing reactions between men who could make them orgasm like that and men who couldn’t? And pray tell, what else about the female orgasm do scientists purportedly understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:58 PM
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Amazing. Women have to have no sexual history, or else she doesn’t value intimacy. She can’t be a whore because that makes men insecure. But she also can’t wait to long to sleep with you because that means she doesn’t really desire you. Are you paying attention? This is the lose-lose scenario playing out in real time. Women can never win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 12:18 PM
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Look at all posts within the past 24 hrs on this sub. How many are pro women? A minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:44 AM
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You’re literally allowed to have a black pilled flare. You can say the word incel here. I don’t know what you’re censoring yourself for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:42 AM
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This sub is mostly men. And out of the men, a minority are blue pilled. Your reality is a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 11:51 PM
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Yeah any claims that this sub is somehow pro-women is crazy. It’s one of the only popular subs where you’re allowed to really push the boundary in rhetoric against women. Of course, there are TONS of smaller subs that do this and run rampant with it. But this is definitely the most populated place where blaming women for everything wrong about your life is completely accepted and mostly supported by other commenters.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:20 PM
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I’ve literally made it explicitly clear to men that I was not looking for a relationship. Just hookups. And I meant it. So…that was rather easy to disprove.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:24 PM
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Yes, to go even farther, how often have we heard of these two fictional men portrayed as the only reality that exits? 1) Hot asshole who gets all the women. 2) Average nice guy who gets settled for. And men on this sub will genuinely believe there are essentially no other types of men. They can’t comprehend that hot assholes get rejected by women for being assholes. They can’t comprehend that average nice guys get women who are super attracted to them. They can’t comprehend that ugly or average …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:36 PM
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Where did I say I wanted feminists to insult men? You are chock full of imaginary arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:30 PM
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What insult? I gave you real statistics. If that insults you, then you’re insulted by reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:59 PM
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Ok? Women should defend themselves where they can. Duh. I don’t see what this has to do with what we’re talking about here. I made a claim backed up by data that the overwhelming majority of lethal violence is perpetrated by men, and your response is to say that women should defend themselves. Sure, and? All your comments have done is show that you’d rather put the onus of defense on women rather than address the issue of violent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:19 PM
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Nope, that's not what I said, and it's not what you implied either by saying women should join in. Defense is different than being violent. Men are not violent in defense, unless another man is attacking them, men are just violent. And women should not be violent like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 04:49 PM
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By joining in on the violence?? Sorry, but you're morally bankrupt if this is how you think. I don't think there's much more to discuss with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 04:41 PM
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I don’t know why you think that comment helps whatever lost cause it is you’re fighting for, but all it does is make it seem like you think being violent is a right. As opposed to a crime. Weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:48 PM
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What if, what if, what if. They’re NOT as lethal as men, so why bother with theoreticals? This is a lived experience of women not some fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:24 PM
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Of course there are violent women, but not enough that women need to be on guard about it. Plus, woman to woman, you’re on a much more even playing field than man to woman. Do you need me to explain how men are naturally stronger than women too? All you’ve done is deny the statistics I provided, without showing any data to support your claim. I think you’re the joke here…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:18 AM
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Read better next time, okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 09:09 PM
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Ok? It’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:50 PM
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So am I.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:34 PM
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Where did I say there were no great safe options? I have a boyfriend. I love good safe men. Why are you defending violent men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:26 PM
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Do you need it spelled out for you? Men are much more violent than women, therefore women do not have reason to be afraid from violence from other women. Only from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:24 PM
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In real life? Usually the woman who is getting attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:02 PM
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Men really be making themselves look like great, safe options in these comments...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:01 PM
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You're just uneducated about the statistics regarding lethal violence. Let me educate you. In the US and many other countries, intimate partners are the biggest source of lethal risk for women, unlike for men. This means that "security" that men claim to provide to their partners is actually the exact opposite. Men commit the vast majority of lethal violence. Men make up over 80–90% of homicide offenders in most countries. Data on perpetrators may actually underestimate male dominance, because c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:00 PM
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Men are much more lethally violent than women. It’s not even close actually. Women don’t need security from other women. They need it from other men. Full stop. Men are also largely poor. They benefit from partnering up with women as much as women do. Men who are married make more money than men who aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:18 PM
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From who?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:01 PM
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But like…what does this look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:46 PM
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My boyfriend is okay with me calling out shitty behavior from other men, and he happily joins in. Women have been telling men to please stop harassing us, and there's inevitably a bunch of you who come out of the woodwork to say "but that's mean to men!" Yeah, you know what else is mean? Harassing women. If you've never harassed women, then congratulations, I'm not talking about you. My boyfriend understands that I'm not talking about him when we talk about sexist assholes because he knows he is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:09 PM
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This is cope and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:36 AM
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You know what older women are doing now? They’re warning younger women not to fall into the same traps they did. Older women are always informing younger women so younger women can make smarter choices. The result? Less women are getting married, less women are settling down before establishing her career, less women are having less children, less women are being stay at home mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:39 PM
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In a vacuum, no. But OP is intentionally speaking outside a vacuum, as it compares to women’s complains of mansplaining. It is comparative implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:36 PM
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OP must think mansplaining is only when men talk about men’s dating experiences…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:50 PM
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Actually men are born followers. Men are much more interested in being told what to do and mindlessly obey orders.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:47 PM
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You’re the one making the claim that sex=worth. I’m not pretending that there are studies that show this. It is simply a fact that a human being’s worth is not tied to their sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:23 PM
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I never said YOU accused me. I’m describing what happened before you joined the conversation. I think it’s hilarious that the quotes that you picked perfectly illustrate that my issue is when men disrespect women’s boundaries. And I will continue to stand by that. Guess who doesn’t have this problem? My boyfriend—that’s one of the reasons why I’m in a relationship with him! See how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:21 PM
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Did you read what I wrote? Men can first change their dynamics with each other. If men can learn to be vulnerable with each other, it will be easier for them to do it with women. Did you read anywhere that I wasn’t interested in being vulnerable with my male friends? No, it’s that THEY aren’t comfortable with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:12 PM
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Men have the power to change their dynamics first with each other. If men can learn how to be vulnerable and authentic with each other, it will be easier for them to do it with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:15 AM
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Pray tell, what are my attitudes towards men? The commenter accused me personally of never initiating an approach. I proved him wrong. Men love to accuse me of being a hypocrite, but when I prove that I’m not, it breaks their brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:15 AM
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Men are a part of the society that puts pressure on women. Just as women are a part of society that puts pressure on men. Sorry, but you’re just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:50 AM
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LOL you’re so lost buddy. Good luck out there. No wonder there’s a male loneliness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:49 AM
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In general, I’m not really able to be as vulnerable with my male friends. I feel like my female friends really do want to talk about difficult and deep things. But it never really feels like with my male friends that they would be comfortable with something like that. I do have one male friend that I think we do have a lot of vulnerable conversations with each other. But he’s an outlier. By contrast, I have a lot of female friends, who sort of automatically understand a lot of of the things that…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 01:42 AM
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I have tons of guy friends and a few who I’d definitely consider “inner circle” friends. I love my friendships with them. They’re not quite the same as my friendships with my best women friends, but I still value them equally. Honestly the person who would have been my real best friend became my boyfriend, so there is that too…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 01:01 PM
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The only information that counts as data are peer reviewed studies with large sample sizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 12:40 PM
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Christians seem to have no awareness that “Christ” is not the “other option” for so many people. It’s not like we’re out here choosing between xyz and Christ. I am atheist. God is not real. That is not an option at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 02:31 AM
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Not being attracted to a man does not mean he is unattractive. It just means, most of the time, that we don’t know enough about him to know if we can be attracted to him. Another example: My girl friend has a boyfriend who is off limits for me, obviously. Therefore I am not attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 12:10 AM
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Did you know that manosphere YouTube videos does not count as “data”?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:12 PM
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Did you know that one can be pressured into things unrelated to whether or not they can get swipes on a dating app?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:11 PM
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The only reason I brought up my own relationship is because YOU challenged it. And it’s fine—keep bothering women who aren’t interested in you. We already know that men continue to lack respect for basic boundaries of women. Men do not stop bothering us. Women are not getting approached less despite what men here say. It just continues to perpetuate what we already know—that men don’t give a shit about who we are, only what we look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:10 PM
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Men here love to accuse me of lying about the gender dynamics of my own relationship. You’d all rather stay in your protected bubble believing your extremely narrow views about women despite ample evidence all around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:07 PM
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Buddy, I literally asked my boyfriend out first. But I didn’t flirt with him until after I found out he was single and looking to date. I didn’t just start flirting with him like a creep. I met him, got to know him, started to like him AFTER getting to know him, not just based on a first impression of his looks alone, and then once I knew he was available, started flirting hard. If I just went up to him and stated flirting with him that would be WEIRD unsociable behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:37 AM
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…not wanting to date someone. There are plenty of people in your life you don’t want to date. Your grandma. The postman. The mayor. Do you think those people are beneath you simply because you don’t want to date them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:35 AM
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That statement means nothing. Women do not have the power to determine men’s worth individually or collectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:33 AM
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We don’t think you’re beneath us. Once again, not dating a man is not an indication of our judgment of your worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:11 AM
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Um yes you can? Because you don’t know if you intend to show interest in them until you know if they are available. The fact you do not understand this explains why so many men are incapable of seeing why women aren’t impressed at all by their loser approaching strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:08 AM
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I mean, there are other reasons women are pressured to look a certain way that have nothing to do with attracting men. Just because attracting the opposite sex is what pressures men to look a certain way doesn’t mean it’s the same thing that pressures women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 03:48 AM
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Because you can have a conversation with someone without flirting with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 03:46 AM
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It is fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:50 AM
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Correct. Some men are catching up. Many are not. Meanwhile, it is virtually impossible for any woman, when she was young, to avoid the pressures from society to look a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:39 AM
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Oh, don't get me wrong. Men have basically zero standards on dating apps. Women on dating apps have much more success than men because of that, and also because there are just way, way more men on dating apps. This doesn't change the reality that women have been pressured to improve their looks from childhood. And when you describe a 25 year old fit woman who has no makeup--you're imagining a woman who has very much put incredible effort into her appearance from childhood. By the way, I also don…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:40 PM
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That's why I specified "looks", not mental resiliency.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:35 PM
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So I used to be a dating app photographer, specifically for men. And one of the things that became such a common pattern that it was almost a joke was the amount of effort men thought they were putting into their photos that didn't gain them any matches. We always started our sessions with them showing me what they already have. A majority of the time, it was clear that they didn't bother trying to take photos specifically for their profile, and if they did, it was usually some horribly lit self…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:28 PM
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SOME men are catching up to the kind of effort women have been pressured to put into their own looks since literal CHILDHOOD.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:04 PM
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Bro what? You find out if they have a partner or not and THEN you flirt if they are available.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 11:47 AM
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You do realize that women who already have partners are included in the demographic of people men flirt with, right? And they don’t check. They don’t wait to see if you are single. They just bother you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:17 AM
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Why, have you tried to date every woman in your age range in the town you live in? Have you tried to date every woman in your state? What about the whole country? Moving to a new country just introduces you to an equally small community that is just in a different country. Instead of going global, why don’t you just do more to increase the community you are currently in, which you have hardly explored?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:31 PM
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LOL so you just ignore the men who get super uncomfortable. Cool. Also, apparently you can’t seem to imagine that just because a person is the same gender as the one a woman is attracted to that this doesn’t mean she’s automatically open to being hit on by that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:05 PM
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Amazing how you fail to understand. How would a STRAIGHT man feel if he were getting hit on by another man?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:52 PM
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If you’re aware of it then why did you not understand the metaphor?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:51 PM
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It's rather impossible to believe that my boyfriend gave a previous woman better treatment than what he is giving me, but even if he was (like let's say he was taking her out for a fancy dinner date every single week), it's not something I have time for or want, so it wouldn't bother me. It's all about what I want right now. So if he's not giving me what I want now, that's a problem. I much prefer the idea of a man doing for his woman what she wants, not what some other woman wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:58 PM
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Oooh you’re so close to getting it. Women don’t want to have sex with most men either. See how it feels?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:40 PM
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For pregnancy? Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:14 PM
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Sperm from obese males is also extremely detrimental to the woman and the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:30 PM
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That’s because the only analogy that men are capable of the having empathy for is if you ask them how they’d feel if another man acted that way towards him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:28 PM
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Um hi, fellow progressive women. This is THE progressive woman male archetype. Especially the not traditionally masculine part.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:37 PM
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Jesus how many dates is your significant other expecting you to take her on that you would get so exhausted from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:02 PM
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“Just look around man” is literally “trust me bro”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:59 PM
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There are not countless examples of this though. There are also many examples of men interacting in much more vanilla sexual scenarios with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:59 PM
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You’re assuming those are 10 random women. When in reality, they have a common denominator with OP. Things like his personality, where he goes to meet women, which kind of women he finds attractive, etc., could contribute to that kind of result. To claim that 10 women out of literally millions of women means that there is a pattern is to simply not understand statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:00 AM
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How the fuck can you make a claim like “practically every woman under the age of 30” wants to do these things? And why is anyone responding as if this claim is fact? Have you fucked practically every woman under 30, OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:09 PM
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Says the guy who believes women’s accusations of male rape are false but men’s accusations of female rape is true. I happen to believe men when they say they were raped. Because I’m not a hypocrite, unlike you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:14 AM
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In all the years I have been single in my life, I’ve been extremely contented. Like I said, I was lucky I found the right man. You’re obviously the kind of guy who thinks that only people who are currently going through exactly what they are claiming can actually speak about it with legitimacy. That’s like telling someone who used to be homeless that they can’t talk about being homeless because they’re currently housed. That’s not how logic works.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:16 PM
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Lynch mobs? You mean the ones famously enacted by men? And what the fuck do you mean setting people up for robberies?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 09:13 PM
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Then don’t say things you don’t mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:42 PM
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Yes, a lot of progressive women will struggle to find a similarly progressive man. That’s why women are finding purpose and happiness single so as to not settle. Women in general are much happier being single rather than settling for a subpar relationship with a man who doesn’t share her morals. I’m lucky. I already found an equally progressive man who shares my morals, supports my career, and wants an egalitarian relationship as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:41 PM
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Then conservative men should be happy being used for their resources in return for a woman who is being used for her resources. Conservative relationships are the most transactional type. If you’re a conservative man, you should WANT to be used for your resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:38 PM
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irrelevant, try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:37 PM
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misreading cues is one of the main ways consent gets misunderstood in real situations. And men “consistently perceive a greater degree of sexual intent in women’s behavior” compared to women. Men are more likely than women to endorse myths like “rape accusations are often false”. Those men are also less likely to see explicit consent as necessary, cited in the same source. A Planned Parenthood survey found women had fewer misconceptions about consent and stronger agreement that consent should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:11 PM
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"Siccing the mob on people" is the kind of thing a man who automatically believe a rape accusation is fake would say. And sorry, but rape and violence is completely different from "cancel culture". If you're too dense to see that, then we have nothing more to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:07 PM
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There’s way more conservative men than there are conservative women, especially in the younger generations. That’s why conservative men pretend like they’re “politically neutral” or “centrist” so they don’t immediately repel all the women they’re interested in. The best thing a woman can do is have a no tolerance policy for ANY romantic interaction with a conservative man. These men do not like women. They only like what women can do for them. They do not respect you as a human being. They only …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:03 PM
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If my grandma had wheels she would have been a bike... Like...yeah, women are conditioned to always be looking out for their own safety and modify their behavior because men could just fuck us up if they wanted to. That's why women are better at understanding consent, that's why women have to mature earlier, that's why women have to be polite. That is nature, or at least the result of nature--and men's bad behavior. Women can't be as brutish and feral as men. So therefore we aren't. Same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:30 PM
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Whatever makes you happy, baby boo. Good luck to those women you’re flirting with. They’re gonna need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:59 PM
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You literally think you're doing women a favor by flirting with them--that's the real Reddit take. And it wasn't one experience. It was pretty much every woman's childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:32 PM
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I get these ideas from living life as a woman. You know when I first got "flirted" with? I was 12 years old and the man was easily in his early 20's. I have the ick on behalf of the women who have the unfortunate experience of you flirting at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:39 PM
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A non-answer that is easily disprovable. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:38 PM
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This is your second non-answer comment in a row. I think we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:37 PM
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Lolllll at their mercy? Enjoy your fanfiction bro. Why do so many men try to live out their revenge fantasy where they get to reject women who want them so badly. When in reality, we don't even know you exist. And we've mostly found our own partners and would appreciate it if other men just left us alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:37 PM
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Ok. Here's much more recent data over a longer period of time (2018-2022) that says that women (especially mothers) make up a slight majority of identified perpetrators overall. Roughly 51–54% female vs. 46–48% male. HOWEVER, women are far more likely to be primary or sole caregivers, and that strongly shapes the data. Women are much more likely to be in a parental/caregiver role (~90%) than male perpetrators (~73%). And as a result, mothers are also more likely to be held responsible for neglec…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:35 PM
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Can you present any reason that it isn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:52 PM
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I think YOU don’t even understand what you’re saying. I don’t even think you believe what you’re saying. You’re just being contrary to be contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:52 PM
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Oh are we talking about NO men ever flirting with ANY women now? Is that how the goal post as moved?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:51 PM
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From a single year, and half the links don’t work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:29 PM
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Literally other men agree with me. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:28 PM
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Actually it seems to be the only part of it that you count as empathy. And you don’t seem to see any issue with “I have it worse than you, agree with me or else”. Because you also apparently don’t have empathy for women who are thinking about their own safety as they try to meet men. And if you want to get into “who has it worse”, you’re always going to be up against physical safety fears that women have, which is a pretty indisputable reality that makes not getting matches on dating apps look l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:28 PM
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You think we’re crying in our rooms at night because no man flirted with us today? We’re fine. We’re especially fine if one random dude like OP decides he’s not going to flirt with us because he’s trying to make a point about women wanting equality. In fact, when that happens, we’re thrilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:24 PM
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Oh I know women can be evil. But if you’re going to make a claim about women in general and use a bad website with data from one year, I’m going to have to see better data. It’s very rare to see data presented in a legitimate way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:22 PM
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Access to social media has only made it more clear to women that they need to raise their standards, especially in the personality and character area. Still the opposite of what you’re saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:21 PM
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Nope, you just suck at analyzing data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:19 PM
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What do you supposed OP meant by that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:19 PM
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lol that’s simply untrue. You know what flirting at women is to most women? Harassment. Men on the street think it’s fun to try to flirt with random women walking by and it’s literally traumatizing. What men consider flirting is usually acting like uncivilized buffoons. Women are not missing being approached. We wish men would approach us EVEN LESS. You’re just coping because you like the fantasy of women’s demands backfiring on them and for them to come crawling back to you begging for you to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:18 PM
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I don’t know how often it has to be said, but equality doesn’t mean we all have the same experiences. Equality refers to systemic opportunity, economic mobility, and freedom from discrimination. Saying “oh you want equality, well that means everyone gets treated like shit!” is to completely misunderstand the word “equality”. Also, even if it was what equality means, why is the male version of acting the default? Why isn’t it how women are friends with each other? I’m so glad I’m not a man. I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:15 PM
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What do you consider to be chivalrous to random women you just met? For example, if I’m walking into a building and a man is behind me, I will hold the door open for him because that’s polite. This often gets described as chivalrous, but it’s just having good manners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:11 PM
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Sorry, but data from a single year is hardly evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:47 AM
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Now it’s only a single year: 2006. Amazing how you extrapolate all of these claims from one year. Also, hilarious to extrapolate that this means anything more than men are more likely to do be perpetrators of child abuse than women, because way way more women are the sole care givers than men,
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:47 AM
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I’m thrilled when men don’t flirt with me. Most women are thrilled when most men don’t flirt with them. Tf you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:42 AM
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??? When women were less liberated, men were even less compelled to be good person in terms of personality and character. It’s literally the complete opposite of what you just said.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:41 AM
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So your definition of “empathy” is just “agree that I have it worse than you”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:39 AM
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“Treat them like other men” = be a sexist asshole with zero decorum or social skills and expect them to tolerate the disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:08 AM
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Ok shall I dumb it down for you? It’s not a legitimate source.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:04 AM
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Clearly you don’t understand how the way you word something can change the way your words come across. It doesn’t matter if a woman factually has not experienced loneliness to that degree. That doesn’t prevent her from showing empathy. What does prevent her from showing empathy is if someone angrily complains that she will never understand, therefore her words mean nothing. Would you show more empathy for a person who says “you will never understand what it’s like to be hungry!” vs a person who …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:04 AM
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Again, what does that have to do with empathy? Women know that men get rejected by them. There is no mystery there. It’s not something that needs to be stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:51 AM
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Yes, but why bring up women’s choices at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:25 PM
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That breaking the science website looks like it was made by a third grader in the 90’s. You were so close to not invalidating yourself with phony sources!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:37 PM
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What does any of this have to do with my comment or the subject of the OP? Why even bring up the subject of women’s choices when talking about empathy towards men and the way men talk about their situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:24 PM
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Men, generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:20 PM
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Are you implying that it's women's faults that men are lonely? Are you justifying blaming women for not sleeping with the "right" men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:56 PM
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I'm not arguing About women getting special treatment while pregnant. So what's all this then? "Pregnancy guarantees attention. Strangers open doors, offer seats, check on her well-being. Society rallies around pregnant women in ways it never does for struggling men. A man working himself to death or sleeping on the street receives no such concern. · Life taken care of: Pregnancy triggers an entire support system. Government programs, family support, workplace accommodations, and social sympathy…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:52 PM
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Once again, it’s all about HOW the problem is stated. You’re conveniently using the term “dating disadvantages”, which allows you to use your imagination to fill in the most charitable explanation of how a man might talk about these disadvantages. “I don’t get matches on dating apps” is different from “women only think 5% of men are attractive.” “I wish I knew what it felt like to be complimented by a woman” is different than “women don’t even understand what it’s like to be lonely.” When you ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:46 PM
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This, ladies, is a great example of WOMB ENVY. Men who suffer from this like to speak highly of all of the temporary courtesies women sometimes experience from being pregnant, as if that makes up for the much more urgent negative experiences that comes from being the gender that gives birth, such as economic dependence, career stagnation, death, and body altering trauma. Men like this are so warped in their thinking that they believe that temporary courtesies are an indication of systemic advant…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:40 PM
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I’m responding to OP’s question. You ranted angrily about how YOU don’t personally care about empathy, thus partially answering OP’s question. There are MANY men like you who say they want empathy but don’t care about receiving it and act hostiley when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:30 PM
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Of course you’re allowed to want two things at the same time, but it is never framed this way. It framed as “if only women would show us empathy, it would make us feel better.” But it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:47 PM
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See? Men say they want empathy but they are never satisfied with it. OP posted specifically about empathy, not PUA shit. And yet here you are, providing even more evidence for everyone to see that the whole “empathy” thing is mostly just bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:10 PM
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You are vastly mischaracterizing “I am lonely, I would like to have a relationship” statements. Ones that are called out for being entitled almost never stop at that sentence. There is almost always more that reveals they blame women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:08 PM
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“I am lonely, I would like to have a relationship” = I’m sorry you are feeling that way, that sucks. “I am lonely, and it’s women’s faults for having their own standards and choosing to fuck other men who are not me” = no empathy for you Oh and one more…when “empathy” is just a code word for “fuck me” then you also don’t get empathy. I’ve had plenty of conversations in this sub where I say “wow, that sucks, I’m sorry” and then ask them if that’s what they’re looking for—well it turns out that do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:11 AM
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Sorry, but you’re the one who isn’t using the concept right. Enjoy your sad life!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:09 PM
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When talking about bodily autonomy, we do not count multiple steps removed from the principal. We only count the immediate principal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:24 PM
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That’s several steps removed from bodily autonomy. Pregnancy is zero steps removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 05:27 PM
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You’re being HEmotional and not relying on facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:26 PM
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Amazing how you can know the definition and then incorrectly apply it. Tsk tsk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 04:05 PM
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Then we have nothing else to debate because you simply don't stick to facts, only to your HEmotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:43 PM
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That's not an example of bodily autonomy, sorry! try again!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 03:40 PM
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That’s so easy to disprove. I believe in it. See?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:38 PM
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That’s not what she’s saying. There are obviously men who are good and bad who women are not attracted to. But her point is that there just aren’t as many good men as men think there are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:37 PM
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100%. Feels like one out of every hundred men online who talk about this phenomenon are actually one of the good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:35 PM
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Ooh you’re also so close! It’s actually called bodily autonomy, not bodily anatomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:39 AM
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If we are to believe you, which I do, then this is proof you have exceptionally low standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:38 AM
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This isn't saying men don't have the same issue, but they are less affected as they are more honest about what they want, straight to the point and way less picky Maybe men should be a bit more picky so that it's not just the woman who has to do the vetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:29 PM
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I hate to keep presenting you with facts, but being pregnant is zero steps away from the topic of bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:26 PM
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The genetics of the child actually have nothing to do with the bodily autonomy debate. It's not the body of the child that is the subject of the bodily autonomy debate. It is the body of the woman carrying the child. And without the condition of her carrying the child, you're actually the one who has to use "wriggle language" to make your point sound. Men raise children. Men contribute very very briefly to the making of children. Men do not physically have them. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:02 PM
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No because that is in response to financial choices. That is at least two steps removed from a man’s bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 01:05 PM
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Men’s bodies literally are not involved in having children. That’s like saying the person who bought the box of pasta is as much of a chef as the person who cooked the meal. Men do not HAVE children. Men helped a woman to have children. But men do not themselves HAVE children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 01:03 PM
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Her choice to carry a baby has nothing to do with another person becoming a parent. Ooh, you're so close! That's exactly right--bodily autonomy is totally different from parental responsibilities. That's why it's the woman's choice what happens to her body, and why both parents have to pay to support a child if a child is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:40 AM
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The irony is that you compared being forced physically to being forced financially, when it is actually the woman who is being forced physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:37 AM
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Men don't have to choose if their bodies have children or not because men do not get pregnant. How is this so complicated? What you're talking about is some form of financial autonomy or lack of accountability. But BODILY autonomy with pregnancy? It does not apply to men. I'll repeat that since I know you're already trying to respond. Men do not get pregnant, therefore their bodies do not have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:32 AM
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Then you don’t care about facts. If you can’t admit that men are praised for this, then we have nothing else to debate. You simply don’t live in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:04 PM
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Yes, they should be able to recognize that it is “basic shit,”. What do you think you are observing in your post question? That is women actively realizing that they’re with milk toast men and raising their own standards for their quality of life. Basic shit includes (before children): having good hygiene, doing chores around the house without asking, being financially responsible, knowing special dates, being nice, knowing how to take care of his own health, knowing how to feed himself, not bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:01 PM
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Ah I see where the confusion is. I read “better than men” as in comparatively to men, as opposed to women being more concerned with your main topic. Now I understand. And by the way if you’ve never heard of the phenomenon of men getting praised for doing basic shit, then you live under a rock. I’m not here to argue whether or not men are praised for that—they are. And that’s why women are constantly having to wonder if they’re accidentally settling. Men sure as hell aren’t going to vet for stand…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:51 PM
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The framing of this question is weird. You post it like it’s about women in competition with men. As if women want to make more money than men or be stronger than men or more successful than men. But what you’re actually talking about in the post is whether or not the woman feels she can do better for herself. For me, I think women suffer from low expectations of the men they date. If a man cleans the dishes, society tells us that’s like extra special. If a man does romantic gestures and remembe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:09 PM
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Lol I’m not the one who is butthurt here. You keep running from the facts and using pseudo intellectualism to try to save face.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:47 AM
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Nope, you don’t get to deflect big guy. You are feeling based. I am facts based. You have yet to prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:17 PM
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Ooh a you’re really gonna answer a question with another question. Sounds like someone doesn’t want to hear the facts and just wants to wallow in their feelings!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:42 PM
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Men in power act on the behalf of men. Would you like some facts to back up this statement? Or would you like to keep debating your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:47 PM
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A gynocentric society would only be possible if that society is ruled by women in places of power. Since we have a pathetic representation of women in places of power, we are factually not a gynocentric society. That is a fact. You are arguing a feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:01 PM
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Wow please tell me more about this fantasy world where the matriarchy runs everything and women benefit from all of it!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:03 PM
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Did you know that we have automation currently AND modern day slave labor thru the prison system? So close to Roman times! If you admit that the subjugation of women Is bad but that women should be traditional homemakers. Should women have the CHOICE? Or should they be forced into it? And you didnt answer my last question at all. Who makes the most trouble today because traditional gender roles are being altered?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:59 PM
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Because this sub is mostly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:58 AM
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He has extremely upstanding morals and values, he's very progressive and wants to help the least of us in our community. He's very intelligent too, well educated, well read, and a very discerning thinker. He really thinks before he speaks. He is extremely trustworthy, honest, kind, and sociable. He is a great friend to everyone who knows him, and supports me in my career ambitions with literally zero insecurity on his end. He makes me feel confident in my own body, cleans up around the house wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:59 PM
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You want to see the stats then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:40 PM
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Oh so now you’re switching it up and not talking about policies but about who is providing? You shot down the notion of progressivism, then provided solutions to a “lasting civilization” that are actively being fought for by the progressive wing of our government and fought against by the current administration. Then you pivoted to gender roles because it’s easier for you to try and prove some general statement about longevity. Let me ask you this, when the Roman Empire was thriving, WHO were th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:39 PM
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I literally make twice as much as my partner. Go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:30 AM
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Those are looking real progressive right now. The Republican run government continues to send billions of dollars to pointless Middle East wars. The GOP party platform overtaxes average Americans to pay for the undertaxation of the wealthiest billionaires. ICE is a rogue Republican military occupying our cities in the name of “defense” of our borders. Tell me more “lessons from the past” that somehow refute basic progressivism in the present.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 03:29 AM
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You’re flailing and becoming more and more incomprehensible with each comment. Try spell check sometimes. You just disproved everything you said before with your last sentence. You don’t speak on when what men do because you don’t date men. I do. So I speak on what men do. You’re just walking yourself into circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:43 AM
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Oooh someone is big mad. Of course I know, and I know precisely because I’m a woman and I date men. I know what it’s like to interact with men who don’t like women, and that’s all it takes for me to block and delete them from existence. How would YOU know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of a man who is sexually perusing you but doesn’t even like you? I think between the two of us, the one who doesn’t know is YOU. Try again big boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:05 AM
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It's not just a "few dates", it's paying for most things, often even most/all of the living expenses if they cohabitate. That's called having a stay at home mom, and if there's no children involved, that's just called being a sugar daddy. The vast majority of women do not expect the man to pay for literally everything whilst not having children. You just continue to make shit up. Single men earn less because they spend less, they don't have to support a wife and kids. Wrong again. Per-person spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:16 PM
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Another easily disprovable statement, since clearly, I had quite a lot of an answer to this. Why even bother commenting when your comment is this weak?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:06 PM
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If you need to expend time or money then you are sacrificing those things, by definition. And women spend time and money, including an incredible amount of unpaid labor, "sacrificing" for their partner, too. But to claim that men sacrifice more because they pay for a few dates and have to be bothered to take initiative laughable. I don't, or at least not full time. You do realize that you're in the extreme minority, right? Most men are one missed paycheck away from financial disaster. Women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:51 PM
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Clearly you care a fuck ton. Have fun!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:00 PM
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And on principle, they will continue to laugh at you and ignore you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:50 PM
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Ah so educate us, oh EXPERT, what about the Roman Empire should we be doing today to ensure our civilization survives?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:48 PM
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It's literally the social life of most men , you think men aren't expected to do this ? Men who like women don't whine about standard gestures of love and care. Men who like women don't talk about settling for a woman primarily because he's too afraid to be single. Even the most feminist 50/50 women still expect men to pay for dates and be responsible of romantic gestures ... Men who like women don't consider a few paid first dates as evidence of the full capacity for romance in a human being. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:58 PM
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The irony of you boasting about lasting traditions while referencing a famously downed empire is SO FUNNY.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:48 PM
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You’re obviously only capable of seeing the world in absolutist terms, which is sad for you and great for the rest of us. Please continue to filter yourself out of the gene pool. The great irony is that you hate women and yet you get NONE, completely disproving your own theory. Obviously being an asshole DOES make men unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:47 PM
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Like I predicted. So easy to disprove. Women choose for some combination of physicality and morality. For me personally, I don’t settle on either. And I suggest other women do the same. Enjoy your blackpilled life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:50 PM
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Men do not care about legacy and civilization, otherwise men would be overwhelmingly progressive and vote for policies that preserve the environment, set up a better life for the next generation, and pass on wealth from one generation to the next. Instead, men vote for policies that enrich living men only, siphon money from the lower class to the upper class, and destroy the environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:38 AM
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Preach, girl. Same here. I’m really happy my standards are super high because it results in my happiness either way—stay single and have a good social life and career, or have all that plus a man who contributes positively to my life rather than being a slob and a drain on my peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:29 AM
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Your comment is laughably easy to disprove. You’re so self hating and drunk on your blackpill bs that you can write comments like that with zero irony. So sad. I will remind you that in real life, good men get both rejected and chosen by women, and bad men get both rejected and chosen by women. There is no absolute truth. It IS complex. But I doubt any of this will register with your blackpilled brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:20 AM
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Women don’t need anniversaries, holidays, or one-time proposals to inspire them to do things for their male partners. Women also don’t consider acts of love and care as “sacrifices,” as apparently you do. Between men and women, the gender that does the most actual sacrificing is quite obviously women. Not only do they often sacrifice their bodies to bear children, but they also sacrifice their economic mobility much more than men on average. Without children, one cannot really claim that any gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 04:02 AM
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See this, ladies? This is evidence of a man who admits to settling for women he doesn’t actually like, and moaning about doing loving things for someone he’s supposed to love, all to avoid his own sad life being single. Be warned: men like this see you as only as an alternative to loneliness. They consider acts of love as chores to fulfill a societal need, not because it’s meaningful to you or demonstrative of care. They want sex from you and will grit their teeth doing anything else to avoid ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:00 AM
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What qualifications does this random Youtuber have to designate ideologies for blue pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:14 PM
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Lol I’m not insecure, I just see through your bullshit. It’s your opinion that it’s the #1 blue pill talking point but you just made that up. Blue pill doesn’t have an ideology beyond being everyone who isn’t red pilled. Red pill made up the blue pill. And conveniently red pill just ascribes whatever ideology they want in the moment to blue pill because blue pill doesn’t have talking points.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:16 PM
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Women like me don’t have shame. My thinking your comments are weird is not because of shame—it’s because men like you always get unnecessarily graphic in your depictions in an argument that does not even remotely necessitate such language, and those descriptions are always spoken in a way that is designed to be objectifying, porn-ifying, and demeaning towards women. You pretending like it’s some sex positive thing is not remotely convincing. By your definition, any man who exercises is red pille…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:58 AM
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First of all, why do men like you have to be fucking disgusting? Be mature. If you think it’s so gross for men to nut inside women then you’re free to go nut inside men instead. No one thinks more about men’s cum than men. Second of all, I asked which advice women give that are red pill talking points and your answer was to claim that women like men they are attracted to. There is nothing red pill about that. Being attractive is attractive. Attractive people get more attention. There is nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:16 AM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:17 PM
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You’re all over the place. Your claim is that people who say be confident are hypocritical. I’m saying they’re not because the advice doesn’t mean to ignore everything else that common sensically one should do to attract people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:17 PM
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Ok trying to sift through the word salad…you’re saying that assholes still manage to get terrible women? And this somehow means that the advice “be confident” is now useless for all men? There is no magical formula that you can plug in that will spit out the woman of your dreams. Some attractive people get what they want, some don’t. Some unattractive people get what they want, some don’t. But dating advice is about increasing your CHANCES. So something like “be confident” is one of those chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:37 PM
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I also don’t think women should settle in the personality and characteristics department either. Growing to love someone whose personality is initially a turn off is also usually a recipe for relationship disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:28 PM
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Why do you think confidence means erase all social expectations? Isn’t it kind of implied that the advice “have confidence” doesn’t mean throw away every other good thing that could attract people? The advice isn’t singular. It’s not like if you have confidence you can disregard every other trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:26 PM
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And how old are you? Also, you can’t really talk about women’s preferences when you are directly judging men and calling them ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:54 PM
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Do you have eyes? Look at couples around you in real life. Women are with all types of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:57 PM
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Why are so many men obsessed with when you have sex with them? It’s not about comparitive “effort” in reality, because if it was, you’d have to prove that you somehow know specific details about how she acted in the past relationship and be able to compare it to the one with you. It’s really just about timing on when you have sex. I once spoke to a guy on this sub who claimed that if a woman took two dates to sleep with a previous guy but three dates to sleep with him, that this indicated some m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:54 PM
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It is vague because Blue pill is vague. Red Pill loves to ascribe numerous ideologies onto blue pill simply to be able to refute it. That’s the whole point of blue pill, to be anyone or anything that doesn’t agree with red pill. That is why it is accurate to say that the blue pill only exists within the confines of the red pill. It wouldn’t exist without redpill. Blue Pill doesn’t have an ideology—it’s simply everyone who isn’t red pill. It doesn’t mean they can’t share some beliefs. But red pil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:09 AM
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You have got to be a troll. I see now why you needed AI to write your post. Not a single coherent thought in sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:06 AM
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No, what you have just claimed is that blue pill believes the exact opposite of red pill, on every individual claim being made. That’s not what I am saying, and that’s not what the blue pill is. Blue pill is anyone who isn’t subscribing to the named ideology of red pill. It doesn’t mean every single thing in the red pill is not agreed upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:32 AM
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Weak response. “No just wrong” is not a good faith debate response. You’re a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:32 PM
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Let me try it even simpler for you. Red Pill defines the Blue Pill. The Blue Pill does not define itself beyond a rejection of the Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:51 PM
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Ok so you’re not actually debating in good faith. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 02:29 PM
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Dude, be for real. The BP exits only through the lens of RP. The only real definition of BP is that it is just not RP. Everything else you just made up. Even your first example is something you just made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:20 PM
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The only reason you’d come to this conclusion is because you think everything I wrote only applies to him and not to me. But I have all of the qualities I just listed that I want from him. That seems fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:36 PM
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I would love it if men stopped caring but men seem unable to stop. They persistently complain about women not fucking them. They constantly whine about how they’re oppressed because dating is hard wahhh. And here you are fantasizing about a society where you can hang out with your boys while women go to jail. If you believe Trump is a result of feminism, then the tables have already turned. We’re already in that fantasy society where the media has turned on women en masse. And guess what? You’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:20 AM
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Again if you found out your partner treated their previous partner better would that make you feel lesser? Sleeping with a man on a different timeline from another man isn't an example of treating a man better or worse. All of the examples you gave are great examples of getting treated worse, except for the timeline for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:38 AM
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You're honestly trying to make the argument that men were less willing to fuck women they didn't think were attractive in the past than they are today? That's cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:10 AM
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Are Women the choosers? Yes or no? This kind of binary thinking is easy to conceptualize, but completely unrealistic in the real world. In a relationship where only one person chooses, that is a toxic imbalanced relationship built on coercion or apathy. Healthy relationships only work when both parties are actively making decisions that lead to each other. If you believe in the 60s a average Women was easily pulling male models like today The fact that you think average women are pulling male mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:45 AM
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women usually only show they like a guy during courting by sleeping with him and not by planning/paying dates, giving gifts etc. if you use your imagination for a second, you'll realize that there are plenty more ways to show a man you like him than by sleeping with him, planning/paying for dates, and giving gifts. If that's the only way YOU show someone you like them, then I'm sorry for all the dates you've courted. Everyone changes but nobody likes it when that change means you get less. Exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:41 AM
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