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I'm saying women on the whole not exceptions. If I say "men are taller than women" I don't mean every man is taller than every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 05:29 PM
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Same work and job. It's showing a preference. Shed rather he was richer and taller not poorer and shorter. An average guy who wins the lotto is going to have much better dating options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 03:36 PM
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If I say women have an evolved preference for taller men do you think that means only tall men get married? Women have a preference for men who earn more. It's simply a reality women under 30 are out earning men in urban areas so there's less opportunities to be hypergamus.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 10:58 AM
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They're both mating preferences. Do you think women who date guys who make less than them would be upset if their partner got a huge pay rise?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 10:55 AM
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Woman are more attracted to tall men. That doesn't mean no women marry short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 11:40 AM
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Do you think we have to find the dam building gene in Beavers to prove they want to build dams? I didn't teach my border collie for try and herd things, it just did it. We can simply observe behaviours and understand that behaviours are evolutionary traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 08:32 AM
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If we're both being loving and supportive and being good, reasonable partners there should not be an option to kick someone out of the family home. If I'm miserable for reasons outside of her control and she's being a good partner I can leave. If she's miserable for reasons outside of my control and I'm being a good partner I can leave. There's a difference between separation and divorce. I obviously can't force her to stay but that's not the same as forcing her to leave because I'm unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 03:47 PM
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Meaning what? Like describe what that looks like. Do you mean if I'm being a loving supportive husband I should be kicked out of the house that I pay for and not get to live with my kids because she's depressed? Do you think I should be able to do that to my wife? If she's being loving and caring and I just go "nah I'm miserable putting up with you" and make her go live in an apartment away from her children?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:07 AM
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I like jesus. I don't believe in god in the sense I don't believe in a man in the sky. I believe God is people describing the nature of reality as they saw it. I'm an atheist in the sense that I don't believe in a creator aware of their creation. I also believe people are no more intelligent than they were 3000 years ago, we just know more. There has and always been very intelligent people and we have an ability to pass down knowledge and we best communicate via narrative stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 10:14 PM
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OK so you think God is a man on a cloud granting wishes like Santa? I remember being an edgy atheist when I was 14 too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 02:35 PM
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And how do you tell the difference? Do they say, "Lol, I used you," or, "Sorry, I'm just not feeling it"? Sometimes people are initially enthusiastic, and then their feelings change. I've always stuck to having sex within relationships, but I've absolutely dated people, felt positive about where things were going, and then they've done or said something that made me end the relationship. If we'd had sex before that, it could easily have looked like I'd used them, even though that wasn't what hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 11:49 AM
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Yes, adultery was a crime, and they didn't have modern forensic techniques or evidence. If there was no evidence of resistance, it was assumed to be adultery. Likewise, if the woman screamed, she faced no charges, while the man would be stoned to death. In theory, that would mean a woman could lure a man she didn't like, scream, and have him stoned. Do you think that, because things were more brutal back then, we should stop agreeing with passages like, "Love is patient and kind; love does not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 11:26 AM
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isn't this just the reality of sleeping with people outside of a relationship. Like if we have a good date and I like you then we have sex and then something happens or you say or dso something that I find off putting I'm not going to see you again. That doesn't mean you were used. first dates that seem to go well don't always result in a second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 11:20 AM
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Proximity leads to attaction. The more time you spend with someone the more you like or dislike them. People are spending less time with people than they used to and in envioments like work people are very weary about flirting which is testing the waters to see if someone likes you. Testing boundaries to see how they respond is how you know if they're interested or not. Now it can result in quite severe consequences so people are very guarded or they're working from home so don't interact.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:00 AM
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wouldn't make a vow for tjings like sex It's "to have and to hold" it's adapted from the Bible "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." — Genesis 2:24 Sex is part of the vows. You're vowing to exclusively have sex with each other I have an obligation to work to provide for my family. That doesn't mean I have to work myself to death or go to work if I have a debilitating illness. I have a duty to do my best in a reasonable…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:23 AM
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Invent your own contract and customs if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 04:18 AM
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The idea is that doesn't happen because both parties act according to their vows. Breaking your vows like cheating and refusing affection yes can result in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 03:23 PM
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I never said it did. I have an obligation to work to provide for my family. That doesn't mean I have to work myself to death or go to work if I have a debilitating illness. I have a duty to do my best in a reasonable way, and that's all a reasonable person can expect. Likewise, you have a duty to do your best to be affectionate towards your partner in a way that would be considered reasonable. That means you should make an active effort. It doesn't mean you have to have sex whenever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:17 AM
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Redpill men tell me all the time that men should leave their partners for younger women. Yeah they're wrong. As are women who promote leaving thier husbands because they have better options or because they can clean him out. Also, those vows were written in the Victorian era and are not in the bible They're adapted from scripture I take you, to be my wife (or husband), to have and to hold from this day forward. till death us do part for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:03 AM
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Gods holy law doesnt mean jack shit to me Again, that doesn't matter. You agreed to standards of behaviour that are culturally accepted. "The only promise made exists between me and my wife and is no one else's business." No, you can do that without marriage. Marriage is different because you've entered into a public contract, stating your agreement to your vows in front of witnesses and an authorised officiant, then signed your name. "If by 'duties' you mean sex, then just no. It's not her duty…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 09:45 AM
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Marriages can end Not an argument. no one should suffer and be miserable in a shitty relationship just because theyre married Right you both have a duty to stick to your vows "to love and to cherish, till death us do part, according to God's holy law, and this is my solemn vow. Divorce exists for a reason Yes for not sticking to your vows. If you're breaking the contract you both agreed to then fair enough however that's not "well I make more money now and I'm misrible because I could be fucking…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 08:27 AM
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That's not marriage. You have duties within your marriage; it's not just, "I'm bored, I'm leaving." That's breaking up, not divorce. I take you, to be my wife (or husband), to have and to hold from this day forward. This means sex. The reason every culture invented marriage was to provide a stable and socially recognised environment for sex and raising children. Women can't say, "That guy is my baby's father; he has to support me," while men can't say, "I don't know who that woman is." You're de…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 07:45 AM
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It's not a matter of expectation; it's a matter of the outcome. If women aren't interested in three-quarters of men, you'll see many of those men checking out. Most difficult jobs aren't done because men enjoy them; they're done because they allow men to support their wives and families or make themselves more attractive by earning more money. It also means there's a very low chance of getting one of these men. It's basic economics: rare things are difficult to acquire because of competition. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:03 AM
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I'm married and didn't do that despite ample opportunity. I'd still much prefer to be attractive than unattractive. People don't want to date people they don't find attractive. Having better opportunities to date people is better than not having them. The moral and immoral depends on how you use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:15 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you think loving jesus means you don't want to be found attractive by the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:08 AM
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I think the way that guys view it is like this: "Would you rather win the lottery or have a secure, well-paying job?" If you pick the job, you can still play the lottery—you just have the same odds as everyone else. If you pick the lottery, you can still work hard and get a good job. Most guys would pick the lottery and figure, "Well, if I want a good job, I can work towards it." Being someone who has massive sexual opportunity as a guy is a huge advantage. You don't have to use it, but it's gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 10:14 AM
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Which brings us back to risk vs reward. Yes you can sell a house but you could end up with negative equity that leaves you fucked. You can get a divorce but it could ruin you. The relationship with your kids is the deepest most meaningful relationship it's possible to have. It's also the highest risk. I understand why people don't want kids. It's impossible to understand the value of the relationship until you have it and looking from the outside it just looks difficult. I didn't want kids until…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 07:18 AM
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Why do anything then? Why love if you might get your heart broken? Why go on holiday it might rain? Why make friends they might betray you? Why buy a house you might lose it? Why follow your dream when you might fail? This is some kind of weird level of risk management that prevents you from doing anything that brings you joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 05:41 AM
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Sorry if I miswrote that. I worked in a variety of clubs, some of them gay clubs and some that weren't. I never saw straight guys hitting on women or being aggressive at the gay clubs. I did, however, see quite a few lesbians being sexually aggressive. It was in the clubs that weren't gay clubs where I watched men and women interacting with each other. I was one of those annoying guys who sold the photo keyrings. Most of the time I had nothing to do because it didn't take long to speak to everyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 09:41 AM
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Having many kids makes no sense seriously It makes no sense to have people who you love more than anything? Your relationships are the best part of life. Your best memories aren't about stuff they're about the times you enjoyed with people you love. Not having kids means you'll never have the most meaningful experiances with the people who you will love more than you've ever loved anyone. I guess that makes no sense when you get swap it all for some extra stuff to fill the void.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:59 AM
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Yeah drunk guys are known to be subtle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:53 AM
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Like I said above yes some guys react badly. I agree. Of course that's true. What I'm saying is that most guys don't, they just go hit on a different girl. When women are direct with guys and the guy says no it's extremely common for the women to react badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:58 PM
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Well that's certainly not my experience. Like I said I worked in nightclubs and spent the vast majority of my time bored and people watching. Obviously you're right and some guys react badly but guys are shooting their shot all night and there's very few incidents. When women are overt and get denied there's almost always tears, drama and conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:31 AM
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And you've not experienced rejecting women as a man and having them get their friends to attack you for upsetting her. I also have had gay guys I've rejected start stalking me club to club and harassing me aggressively. The difference is woman react badly often and men react badly rarely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 08:10 AM
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I'm tall and what I'd say is most women don't care that much but for some women it's a big thing. Some women will absolutly date guys because they're tall, most women won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:37 AM
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If I say "women are shorter than men" i don't mean "every woman is shorter than every man" This is like me saying "men are taller than women" and a tall women responding "but I'm 6 foot tall" I worked in gay and regular night clubs in my 20s. I rejected a lot of men and a lot of women. The women almost always took it badly the men rarly did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:34 AM
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Yeah that is a crazy story. I can certainly see why going though all that would make you feel like you do and feel like guy's are extremely superficial. If I got flown 3000 miles by a girl who I thought i had a conection with then she told me "you're not as attractive as I thought you are, can you go home" I'd be devestated and be wondering what the hell is wrong with women. Are you able to look at it objectivly? Like if a guy told you that happend to him, you'd understand it's not him it's her?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:30 AM
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He flew 3000 miles! Okay I have zero idea what's going on with him then. When I was dating I wouldn't date anyone more than an hour away door to door. To be willing to go though all that time and expence then say "sorry I only date models" is a wild thing to do. Like he could have said "I'd like to but you're 3000 miles away" and if he had options he wouldn't be flying like that. So to be clear he knew what you looked like from your dating profile? Like you didn't catfish him or something and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:13 AM
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Ah I understand. Maybe he's trying to chase something he feels like he missed out on my getting married? Unfortunetly we can't negotiate attraction so if that's what he's looking for then it is what it is. It's a bad experiance to be told flat out that you're not hot enough but I suppose it's like a girl trying to date a girl and her saying "I only date guys over 6'4" that doesn't mean the guy is going to do badly at dating because he's 5'11.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:57 AM
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He said he only dates supermodel gorgeous women Well there's the issue. I guess he manages this because he's very charismatic and that's why you keep thinking about him. He has the ability to make people feel good so they want to be around him. That's a rare gift. Unfortunately it seems he's using it to sleep with loads of women and leave a trail of disasters behind him. I'm sorry that happened and it's unfortunate that in the era of online dating it's increasingly common. Guys who have looks or…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:14 AM
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That doesn't mean he doesn't want you. Like is he turning heads in the street? Are random women flirting with him? Probably not, that happens to very few guys and you still like him. So unless he has a history of chasing very attractive girls he's likely looking for someone who her gets along with and is attractive to him and proximity leads to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:58 AM
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I get it and we're all going to look a bit shit on a phone cam while we're being slobs for the evening. You're not in the catagory of invisable. You're just normal. so you're likey not going to turn heads in the street but few people do. I don't think your looks are a real barrier to dating but yeah you can't just get any guy you want like some girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:46 AM
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https://bashify.io/i/3PxLPL I think you just need to do your hair and make up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:21 AM
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And not all guys have the abilty to magiclly change their personality to be charasmatic and successful. I worked in sales jobs in my early 20s and the people who made the most sales were: A) guys who just had a gift at talking B) attractive women particually women with large breasts C) Tall men Women pretend like looks don't matter because guys can have other qualities the issue is people are born with these qualities just like they're born with looks. You don't choose to be born with medicore i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:08 AM
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No that's exactly what I'm saying. You can get a casual relationship from a better guy than you can get a committed relationship from. Just like how I can rent an airbnb that's much nicer than the house I own. So it's a matter that women have spent far to much time in airbnbs and now the houses they can afford to buy all seem a bit shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:38 AM
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No it's a matter that you can get a situationship with a guy you can't get a committed relationship from. I can afford to get an airbnb in an area I can't afford to buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:58 PM
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Same reason women shame men who pay for sex workers or simp for onlyfans girls. It's gross behaviour. It's both sexes saying "this behavour is gross and I don't want to see it become normal as it makes life worse for everyone" The "but how does it personally effect you" is nonsense because culture effects everyone. Women don't want prostitution normalised because they don't want prospective partners thinking it's okay because the culture says it is. Men don't want women on onlyfans for the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:37 AM
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right we get there's conservative and liberal feminists but we're discussing liberal feminists. No one is suggesting this is the opinion of a Mary Harringson or Louise Perry. In fact Louise Perry in her interview with Bonny Blue agrees she's the end point of liberal feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:22 AM
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friends are gorgeous, they’re objectively a lot hotter than I am. almost every man who does pursue me ends up wanting a relationship You're likey attracting different guys. Your hot friends are likey attracting some hot fucc boys used to getting what they want. you're attracting guys who don't hook up with hot girls and are looking for a relationship and are catching feelings easier because they don't have a roster of girls they can bang. So it's one set of guys going "I want casual sex because …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:09 AM
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It's because men feel they were lied to. The internet and online dating have really opened men's eyes to how shallow women can be when they're honest online. A lot of the pushback against the original Red Pill was from people arguing that what you're admitting here wasn't true. Men are frustrated because they feel they were sold a false picture. A second factor is women's ability to gain sexual access. If an average-looking guy finds attractive women irresistible, there's not much he can do abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:09 AM
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I don't think I'd want to be friends with women who know I'm interested in them and that feeling would likey get worse with proximity. I also wouldn't want to be friends with women who I'm interested in, it'd be a weird friendship. It'd be even weirder if I started dating someone else and I'm hanging out with some girl I want to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:02 PM
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If a guy opens that's the natural thing that happens. men approch. Women can choose to end it or carry on the mating dance. If you carry on the mating dance then it's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:48 AM
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Or high status.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:24 AM
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I guess that depends on the woman. At what point is a guy just using a woman because she's pretty?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:08 PM
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Yep it's just a matter of effort. guys don't want to hit on every girl at the bar because it's a nightmare. If they did and got decent at it they'd manage to get hook ups. The reality is men want hook ups but not to have to deal with the horrible part. I'm with them I wouldn't do it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:25 AM
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If this were true they'd be so many more men working to hook up with women. If all i had to do to get eternal youth and unlimited wealth was hook up with 100 drunk girls at bars, I'd have done it. Guys who want to hook up with loads of women manage it at a high rate. They put themsevels in positions to do it like working in bars or going out all the time or hitting on everything that moves. Most guys just can't be arsed with the amount of effort it takes to have meaningless sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:52 AM
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This seems like a very male-coded take. It’s a lack of understanding because you don’t really account for women’s money or status preferences in attraction, and you’re projecting that onto women. Women are attracted to these things. At a macro level, there’s an evolutionary psychological argument that, on average, women have been somewhat more responsive to traits like status and resources in mate selection, because historically they correlated with stability and reproductive success. We don’t p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:46 AM
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right but not on passable personalities. So if you're good looking and passable personality and remember the helo effect is very real then you'll do well. However if you're part of the 80% of men women deem unattractive you're not getting your profile read they're just getting a big left swipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 06:25 AM
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So you think woman are swiping right on guys they're not attracted to in the hope they have a good personality? People don't look at the profiles of people they don't find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:04 PM
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right so if you're not passable in terms of looks but have a good personality then you're going to fail at the door but if you have good looks and a passable personality you are getting in. women rate 80% of men as below average in terms of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:30 PM
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I'm not saying they don't matter, I'm saying you can't get your foot in the door if you don't pass a looks threshold which is high online and if you're attractive there's also the halo effect to account for. And yes somethings matter more than others initally. personality matters more in LTR looks matter more when trying to get dates and STR. Problem is it's hard to get a LRT if you can't get your foot in the door because in changes to the ways people socialse and date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:01 AM
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What I said was "Personality matters more than looks" which has some truth to it but it's increasingly less true because of online dating and a culture of no one wanted to date though work. Where did I say they both don't matter? You're fighting windmills. Yes personally matters however it matters when you have close proximity to someone over a decent period time. That was done in places like work. Now few people get in relationships at work. Most relationships now happen online where looks are …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:43 PM
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Show me where I said "looks don't matter" What I said was "Personality matters more than looks" which has some truth to it but it's increasingly less true because of online dating and a culture of no one wanted to date though work. Nobody ever said all you had to was be kind of confident or just be yourself and you would be guaranteed a girlfriend Again I never said "would be guaranteed a girlfriend" I'm saying that it's the advise that's given and it broadly doesn't work. no one said a degree w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:31 PM
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Women are struggling too, just not to the same extent as men so far, because the first wave of job losses has largely been in physical occupations. However, twice the jobs AI is expected to disrupt are in female-dominated professions. As those office jobs disappear, many women may end up asking why they were told to work hard, get good grades, and take on £100k of student debt, only to find there are few employment opportunities in those fields. It could end up mirroring what happened to many me…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:40 AM
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It's amazing how much leftist discourse is just them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible. You know exactly what I mean. Personality matters more than looks. "Just be yourself." Confidence and kindness are the main factors in attraction. Most people date for love rather than status or appearance. Men and women generally want similar things in relationships. men do this and find women are uninterested. like going to uni and getting good grade then employers don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:33 AM
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Are you surprised that when people are told get good grades, go to uni and you'll get a job job and be able to buy a house and support a family. Then they leave uni find there's no jobs that mean they can afford rent, a total lack of careers in their field and a mountain of crushing debt that they are angry at the system and want radical change because it's not working for them and rather an elite few? Well that's how most men feel about dating. They did what they were told and they get nowhere …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:28 PM
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reproductive burden A blessing and a curse. You also get to have kids. Guys have to find someone who will let them be a father. It's like if women couldn't work and asking, "Would you want the burden of work, or have to find someone to provide for you?" All you can do as a guy is try to be someone a woman wants to have kids with, which in the current world isn't that easy, as kids are fast becoming a luxury. orgasm gap I guess that's a matter of finding the right person. In the vast majority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:38 AM
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If I'm thinking about buying a car and so start looking around show rooms and a salesperson manages to sell me a car I wasn't overly into at market price he's a great sales person. Same goes for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:48 AM
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So what women are really saying is, "We're all chasing the same top men, but those top men are competing for the top women." And what men are saying is, "You're right, but you're not a top woman, and you're ignoring all the guys on your level who are chasing you."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:22 AM
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Men don't want to commit to promiscuous women because risk-taking behaviour isn't attractive, and men are naturally averse to anything that could put paternity into question, as throughout our evolutionary history we could never be completely sure. In other words, it's an evolved genetic "ick," similar to how women may be turned off by men who come across as weak or unwilling to defend them. Our instincts tell us, "That's a bad person to invest resources in," just as your instincts might tell yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:19 AM
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Because the idea is you're doing it more to get a read on each other. like say you met in a coffee shop then you get a read of the person hen decide to go on a date. If you meet online you do the vibe check thing as a semi first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:13 AM
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What's being classed as a date? I missed the whole app thing but from what I'm told the idea is if you match to do like a mini coffee date thing to see if you have a spark. Do they count or do you mean like a bigger date?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:23 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/health/dating/dating-statistics/ the majority of young women have used online dating. It's reflective of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:45 AM
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No not really. Please explain how exactly and bare in mind the ok cupid stats on men reviewing woman are a perfect normal distribution graph and womens amount to a perfect prato distribution which matches the swipe stats on other dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:31 AM
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The New Statesman, which is generally left-leaning, recently highlighted research suggesting that only a small minority of men (around 7%) hold negative views of women, while roughly 72% hold positive views. By comparison, around 21% of women reported negative views of men, while only about 50% reported positive views. Given that, the claim that “women only hate men because men hate women” doesn’t really hold up. Broadly speaking, men still tend to view women positively despite a noticeably high…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:23 AM
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It's not that women only find 20% of men attractive; it's that they rate 80% of men as below average. While I agree that very few men are highly attractive, I can still objectively look at men and rate them on a 1–10 scale, and the results would roughly form a normal distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:56 AM
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People don't like lending people money. People enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:48 AM
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Agreed but if every women has the same quality (vagina) then it's not a quality men with options are selecting for. They're selecting for other qualities. It's like if every job paid the same but every job has different hours and benifits and workload. Sure for people who no one wants to employ all they care about is getting any pay but for people who are desireable they're picking the company that offers the most outside of pay. The pay (vagina) becomes a meaningless quality when deciding on wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:53 AM
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The issue is women don't want to date undesireable men so having a vagina is meaningless. If there's a guy women want to date then he has options. All his options have vaginas. He's not seclecting for vagina he's selecting for other traits. Those other traits are "what you bring to the table" If what you bring to the table isn't as attractive to the desireable man as other women, then you don't get commitment from the man you desire. If you just want to say "but I have a vagina so I have value" …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:51 AM
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a 2024 Pew Research Center survey found that among Americans aged 18 to 34 who have never been married, 69% still desire to marry eventually, 23% are uncertain, and 8% do not wish to marry . In the same age group, 64% of women without children express no desire to have kids, compared to 50% of men. The vast majority of women would still like to get married and have kids as shown here https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx. There's a very simple issue going on right now and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:22 AM
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is it or is it a crime to publish as they're 2 very different things?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:49 AM
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You could say the same about saying "posting pics does'nt mean i consent about you thinking about me in a sexual way" or "posting pics doesn't mean you get to draw me" The reality is people are free to do what they want. They're just not free to publicly post stuff with your likeness or profit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:24 PM
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My point is that it's not specific to AI. It's also not stealing someones images without consent if they post them publicly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 05:45 AM
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How's that different to me using photoshop to do that? I don't get why it's bad because ai?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 12:55 PM
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Nonsense. MGTOW didn't make a fuss about it at all. It was just an Internet support group and woman freaked out. 4B was a loud political movement designed to try and get men to do what woman want. You're describing the exact opposite of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:41 PM
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so can people using AIs as you've pointed out. I can't profit from copyright material.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:30 AM
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And people draw people who happen to look like people. It's still transformative and if it's not then it can be dealt with though copyright. It's no different from going on sora and making an original song using ai. It just uses photos rather than sounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:44 AM
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No it's transformative which makes it fair use. Copying a cord isn't copyright infringement, copying a melody is. Same goes with images.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:50 AM
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AI creates new things. It's doing exactly what people do. Your creating something new using promps, it's still you doing the creating. It's taking knowledge and puting it together in an orginal way using your direction. Obviously if it's copying a person that's an issue but that's not what we're talking about. For the most part these are new images of people that don't exist. https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en That's a good example. None of these people exist, What's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:38 AM
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I'm not sure what that means. If I learn to draw women by looking at pictures of women that women take of themselves then personally self publish on the Internet am I "trained on women without their consent"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:21 AM
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AI porn doesn't mean deep fake porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:33 PM
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So do you think if the US just swapped out all their system for the finnish system the US would be like finland? Maybe I'm just a bit blackpilled but i feel like people get the govenment they deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 10:59 AM
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So i'm not trying to be mean here it's because I really belive in the diea of "Live where you support or support where you live" Why don't you move to Finland?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:07 AM
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Ok, but you have to compare things to systems that actually exist in reality, not some ideal that only exists in your head. If you want a different system, then name a country that actually does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:53 AM
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liberia kinda proves that writing a constitution doesn't work. There's always a work around.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:48 AM
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Ok and what about when 51% of pople vote to take 49% of peoples stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:34 AM
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There no perfect official stats on that. What we do have are the stats showing men with kids take on higher paying roles and we know dangerous jobs pay more than safe jobs. So I can't directly prove that they have kids then move into dangerous jobs but I can prove they have kids and go into positions that pay more and we know that danger pay is a way to get paid more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:55 AM
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So I've gone though the why people do it it's to support others. It's also a trope because of how common it is that the guy gives up his dream to get a job and pay the bills when he gets married and has kids. We all know it's true. earlier you were positing that men were pursuing those roles *proactively It's both. If men feel like a good way to get a wife is to be secure and a provider they'll do it. Men will also do it if they have already have a girlfriend but then they want to start a family…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 06:26 AM
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You can't look at results and infer conclusions? If people don't do something difficult it's because they either don't have to or don't want to. which is that men seek out the best-paying jobs From what I understand that's not true. Men tend to chase passions until they become fathers then they chase money. It goes like this Guy has a passion for teaching and becomes a high school teacher and loves his work Guy marries and has kids and finds his wage no longer provides Guy takes on higher paying…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:47 PM
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There are as many women born to working class families as men. Men aren't born knowing about sewers and oil rigs. The reality is women choose to do more comfortable work because they can. The issue now is men can too. You brought up pregnancies and children birth earlier. That's the same thing. Women don't want to deal with pregnancy and child birth but they do want children and suitable husbands. Men don't want to work horrible jobs but they do want wives and children. Both are checking out. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:50 PM
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Would you do it? Like would you do something dangerous for more money? Why do you think men do it if you're not willing to? Would you rarer share an apartment and work in an office or have your own apartment but go into the sewers or do pest control but you get your own apartment?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:54 PM
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If the supply of oil rig workers declines then the rate of pay for oil rig workers is going to go up, until whatever point where enough people decide the higher pay is worth the trade-offs to them. We're already facing it. It's called the skills gap. It's not as simple as you say. Yes you can offer more money but you can't just create skilled people. If there's a shortage of underwater welders you can't just magic up more by paying more money. People don't do dangerous jobs to get a slightly bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:48 AM
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There's no shortage of less dangerous and lower paid positions. Do you really think office jobs are highly skilled? Admin jobs are often close to minimum wage. Yes woman do give birth but it was at 95% of women now it's 55% even less in Korea and Japan. This is checking out. Men stop doing dangerous labour and women stop having kids. You can't run a society without these jobs and you can't run a society without people. We need each other on a societal level not an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:27 AM
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And people go to uni to "get a degree" but that's first order thinking. You have to ask "why do they want to get into 100k debt to get a degree" Well because they were told "If you get a degree you'll make lots of money and live the dream" So they went and got a degree and now they are in 100k debt and can't find a position because AI has fucked the market so now everyone's really pissed off. This is what we call "breaking the social contract" you're told "If you do X you're get Y" and you did X…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:12 AM
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No I understood exactly what you said and I explained exactly why you were wrong. I went through evo psychology with you I explained it though how are behaviour predicts future behaviour. I explained to you that increasing opportunity is good thing. You seem to be of the option that a person is high value if they overlook red flags. Would you advise women to overlook red flags in men? How would you feel if some walking red flag guy said "my girlfriend is high value because she overlooked all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:28 PM
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No, it’s gross behaviour to promote something you know isn’t best for people because you’ve done the opposite. You called marriage unpaid slavery and promoted sleeping with random guys. It’s the perfect toxic femininity trap and luxury belief crap that’s pushed by insulated women who preach one thing that ruins people’s lives while doing the opposite. It’s gross, and it’s even worse that you call yourself a feminist while doing it. You have no interest in helping women only helping yourself and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:11 PM
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No it's the Intrasexual competition / subtle sabotage disguised as "advice" and pushing the luxury beliefs of sexual liberation while being married. Gross behaviour frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:00 PM
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Wow it sounds like you have a really deep and meaningful relationship with your husband and that that relationship is incredibly important to you so much so that you have committed to him forsaking all others and choosing responsibility over hedonism because you understand that it's a better choice. Weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:53 AM
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Okay this was fun but if you're going to start rambling about the patriarchy then it's just a boring spiral where you say men bad because men have done basically everything though out society and women have done effectively nothing so there's not any valid comparison. You then effectively come down on the side of "but women would have made utopia" It's a fucking boring, nonsense argument. Thx for the chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:19 PM
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No moral code written has ever ended all violence. The question what moral code has led to the highest standards of life and respect for life. That'd be Christian nations. You can't compare something to an ideal you made up in your head. You can only compare 1 system to other systems. Democracy isn't a bad system because democratic societies have wars. Every type of government has wars. Same with moral and ethical codes. You just pick the least worst one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:31 PM
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Is that really what you got from what jesus said? I don't mean the church. I mean the things jesus said. By the way Christianity was viewed by the powers that be as the religion of slaves and women because of his teachings. You seem to be just regurgitating some feminist propaganda that tells women to look through a hyper cynical lens rather than actually looking at it and thinking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:21 PM
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I think the bible is a source of wisdom and I find it interesting that people figured out so much so long ago. I don't believe in a creator who is aware of their creation. That makes me an atheist. I just like the stories and I think Jesus said wise things. I think moral relativism is just something people do when they want to make excuses for their behaviour. Morality is what makes people have happier, healthier, wiser, honest, more meaningful lives where they build rather than destroy or debas…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 12:53 PM
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Paul talks about this in the bible. Effectively saying that a life devoted to God is superior to marriage but also marriage is better than sexual immortality and desire. So yeah I agree with your statement in principle but the reality is people aren't devoting their life to the highest ideal. They're drinking cocktails, smoking weed, watching porn, fucking strangers, playing video games and being selfish gluttons with shallow relationships. That certainly is not a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 09:40 AM
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Men don't only value romantic relationships and the male loneliness epidemic is because they don't value them. What men are doing is saying I want something but I'm not willing to work for it. If they valued it, they'd be willing to work for it. Your romantic partner should not be the source of everything. I never said they should be. However they should fill the role of romantic partner. Romantic relationships are just one of them. Correct. As I've said they're incredibly important if you were …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 07:24 AM
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I didn't personally attack you I explained that we value even low value connection more than we value stuff by using our conversation as an example. I'm doing the exact same thing, it's no more an attack on you than it's an attack on. You claimed relationships are a luxury. I'm arguing they're not, they're essential. Connection isnt exclusive to romantic relationships. Connection is every relationship and connection. Romantic relationships arent a moral obligation. Different relationships have d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:43 AM
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Relationships are the only thing that have meaning. A life without others is a life entirely devoid of all meaning. What good is anything without others? There's no money or possession that is worth more than people. You're on here right now because you'd rather be connecting to me who you likey dislike than doing a job that could get you money or doing a chore that'd improve your living standard. My wife's putting the kids to bed after I gave them a bath and I'd rather connect than sit alone. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:05 PM
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If tomorrow all men became good and honest would relationships with men be higher risk or lower risk? We both know what the answer is. We both understand that the more you increase the opportunity for bad behaviour the more bad behaviour exists. This isn't news. It's in the story of sodom and gomorrah. It basically lays out that if a society falls into sin and rejects virtue it'll fall to ruin. People have understood this for thousands of years. I'm not even sure what you're arguing at the momen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:28 PM
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Because it's based on being a virtuous person. Good relationships can't exist without good ethics. People don't want relationships because they are high risk. They're high risk because of poor ethics. If everyone was incredibley high in morals and ethics then relationships wouldn't be high risk. You wouldn't be talking about cheating and abandonment and abuse. The issue is people are increasingly flawed so people are increasingly distrusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:17 PM
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I think that the amount freedom a population has is based on multiple factors. Intelligence, cohesion, shaired morality, social responsibility etc. I used to be a libertarian then I realised that that idea only works for intelligent, moral people with self control. To quote John Adams "Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other" I'm pro freedom but I can also see how freedom without personal and social responsibility leads …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:05 PM
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No you're misunderstanding. Just because someone isn't born a certain way doesn't mean if they become a certain way they are realistically fixable. The vast majority of people don't change. People develop their personalities and they typically stay that way. What I'm saying is most people are picking a negative path because it's available, pleasurable, easy and behavioural standards are derided as bigotry. If it wasn't for all those factors more people would be virtuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:21 PM
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Much like the incels I don't think these women are born incapable of being good partners. People are simply choosing to engage in unhealthy habits that make them unappealing. An example is 42% of adult women in the US are obese. That's not genetics, that's your physical appearance showing your lifestyle, poor discipline and self control. Unfortunately Tlthe seven deadly sins—pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth are hugely enabled and a lot of people are embracing them and then ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:33 AM
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As you said earlier in our conversation 45% of women are going to remain unmarried. That leave 55% who are interested in commitment and if 30% of men are good marriage material then that's still the majority of the married couples. I'd also add that I think the majority of women are not worth dating. I'd still say the exact same thing to men. Be the best you can to find the best women you can in order to have the best life you can. I can't imagine telling my kids "just be an incel and watch load…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:45 PM
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But the evidence doesn't point that way. People in good relationships are always the happiest people. The divorce rate for first time marriages is less than half and an incredibly small amount of people who have children they planned regret it. Show me the stats that show what you're talking about as every time people post these they're normally those silly debunked studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:17 AM
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Right and a good relationship is way better and your relationship with your kids is incredibley rewarding. You're just so risk averse and blackpilled you're cheating yourself out of happiness and acting like hedonism is a good replacement for meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 03:00 PM
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I'm suggesting you don't pay for it. I have 2 kids, it's way easier and cheaper once they go to school.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:47 AM
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If you have joint custody then you're both paying. Also only 8% of married couples with kids under 5 divorce. After that they're in school which is free.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:58 PM
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Taking on more responsibilities for your kids isn't giving up your kids. It's the opposite. Do think women view their children as a waste of their time? Chatgpt says 10% of middle class white guys. So of all first time marriages less than half end in divorce and 90% of the divorce cases the guy pays. So in 95% of the time white guys are supporting their wife and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:53 PM
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Its called father's benefit. Men routinely get a higher income just for having children Lol no. Men choose to give up low paying high reward jobs for high paying high stress jobs to support their children. While women go part time to spend more time with their children. women regularly end up with a lower standard of living if they divorce Of course they do. 2 incomes and one set of bills = higher living standard than 2 incomes and 2 sets of bills. Men also love to just abandon their children an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:01 PM
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Sorry how is modern marriage akin to slavery? You can leave at anytime, work if you want to and you can take half his stuff if you get bored. However your boss can fire you on a whim, leaving you with nothing and replacing you with an immigrant you're forced to train. Let's put it another way. How many people would give up their kids for a pay rise?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:52 PM
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They're in the chatgpt I linked. There's life satisfaction studies that have been going for decades that track and breakdown by multiple characteristics. I find it kinda funny you think being a corporate drone working for a multinational with a boss who hates you gives women greater life satisfaction than supporting you're children who love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:21 AM
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So your attitude is that it's just all the studies that are wrong and you're right and it doesn't matter that older women are much happier than younger women because they must just be lying too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:05 PM
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My point is that it's always been broken the thing that's changed is people but especially women have less life satisfaction and much higher rates of mental health issues. Saying its all because of politics seems like a total cop out. It's not like women in left wing areas are doing better. Left wing women have much higher rates of mental health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 03:47 PM
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That's a complete strawman of what i was saying. I'm saying the world has always had problems, it's never been easy, there's always been threats and corruption and evil people but it's only now that people are falling apart. The bad things you're talking about have been a constant though history so they're not what's causing the change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 01:51 PM
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It always has been. It's nothing new. And yes i'd suggest peoples day to day lives and there relationships matter more than if the trumps or the royal family or the clintons are fucking children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:22 PM
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https://chatgpt.com/share/69a93e25-a6f0-8009-b1bf-8e872f18b880 Go read that. You're wrong. Women are less happy and more mentally unwell especially younger women. But once again this isn't about who's doing worse out of the sexes it's about what you can do to maximise your happiness. The best thing you can do is have the best relationships possible by being the best person possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 08:28 AM
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Woman get diagnosed at twice the rate and attempt suicide at twice the rate. The fact that women suck at it doesn't change the fact. Also once again basing stats on boomers/silent generation is crazy. We've seen more change than probably any generation at least in terms of tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 09:45 PM
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Or it's because of the people dying it was mostly men that worked and women who stayed home. Women had more social connections because they were more social and less isolated. Men however have always been isolated because of they have to make money which means time away from the house and community. now women are more isolated and having to support themseves though work they're having fewer and less meaningful relationships and more shallow encounters. We can already see theres double the number…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 12:52 PM
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Correct they say they wish they spent more time with loved ones. Not doing drugs or fucking strangers but enjoying meaningful relationships that they have built. The relationships that have the highest level of meaning and death are between you and your spouce and your children. They are the relationships with the most possible meaning. When people don't work towards doing what you need to do to have those relationships they just don't have them. If you check out and just jerk off or bang dudes …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 10:26 AM
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I don’t think the free trade of goods and services does that. I think it’s simply what people do, because if you don’t, you die. I think the issue could be summed up like this: 70% of men, and a very large percentage of women, would be happy to jack into the Matrix for the rest of their lives and live in a giant video game where they could fight dragons, do drugs with no come down and sleep with the most attractive people they could imagine, even though they knew none of it was real. this avoide…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:26 AM
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We definitely agree it's easier to live a shallow life of hedonism than a rewarding life of responsibility. The problem with hedonism is that if you feel shit life doesn't feel worth living.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:18 PM
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It’s funny — this is the exact same argument that the 70% of men I was talking about are making. “Why should I work hard, get a good job, work on myself, approach women, and be social when I can just get a job that affords me a bedroom in a shared apartment where I can play video games, smoke weed, watch VR porn, and see prostitutes? I’m not jumping through hoops to get a girlfriend because girls’ standards are too high.” You’re just making the female version of a gooner incel argument. Much lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:48 PM
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It's not worthless for the 30% who try and I'd say the bar is on the floor for women. Just not being a fat, drunk, bitchy slut will get you 90% of the way to bagging a top 30% guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 10:14 AM
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Absolutely. I think a huge amount of guys have basically checked out of the idea of being a good partner and working towards that goal and instead are retreating into video-games porn and weed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 09:08 AM
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Maximising your desirability doesn’t guarantee you a good relationship. It just gives you more options. That has nothing to do with the quality of the relationship. And people in bad relationships are less happy than single people, according to studies. Right, so if you want a good relationship, the best thing you can do is be desirable. Obviously there’s no way to guarantee anything — you can only tilt the odds more or less in your favour. The most likely way you have of ending up in a happy re…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 08:19 AM
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Everyone is much happier in good relationship. If you want to look at it as men vs women then maybe but the life satisfaction studies show very similar numbers in men vs women but both getting increasingly less happy. I find that an odd way to look at it. If you look at who has the most life satisfaction it's people in good relationships so the only actual decision you can make is if you want to be in a good relationship or stay single. If you want a good relationship the best way to get one is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:47 PM
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Correct. There are large amounts of men who are unsuitable partners that women don't want. That means that the suitable men that women do want are a minority. This makes them desirable and rare which gives them options. So as we've been discussing if women want these guys rather than the losers that aren't worth dealing with then they have to be desirable partners. An element of being a desirable woman is not being promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:40 PM
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You do have a sexual history credit score. The vast majority of women don't want to date bisexual men for a similar reason. It makes them a incompatible option for men that view Promiscuity that way. Right. Which is the vast majority of men looking for commitment who have options. So if there are no options then they will just stay single Agreed. And people who can't get mortgages will just rent all their lives. Does change the fact that neither is what the vast majority of desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 02:36 PM
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Evo psychology is only controversial because communist blank slate retards are undermined by it. Women dont have to get into committed relationships with these men Of course they don't. No one has to do anything. However the vast majority of women want happy, secure, committed relationships with suitable men and promiscuous behaviour makes them terrible options just like how most people want a mortgage but if they have a terrible credit score a bank isn't going to give them one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:58 AM
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Again guys don't view sex as negative they view promiscuous behaviour as negative. Just like how banks view getting into debt on a bunch of credit cards as bad but having a mortgage as good even though they're both debt. Also we've been though this. It's evo psychology not men choosing to feel a certain way because of misogynist attitudes or something. People don't get to pick what they find unattractive, it just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:47 AM
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I'm not arguing with you about women's ability to get sex from men. I'm a man and I can go to a gay bath house and get fucked by a bunch of men right now. I'm talking about getting commitment from the kind of men who women desire commitment from.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:01 AM
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Promiscuity is a behaviour. You can just stop doing that And irresponsible lending is just a behaviour. Doesn't change the fact that a bank won't give you a mortgage. Guys get grossed out if you have 3 partners or 30. Yes if you let 3 guys run a train on you. Not if you had 3 committed relationships. You can't tell what body count someone has just by looking at them. You can't tell if they're a pedophile or a rapist either but you wouldn't date one if you found out. Its a made up insecurity to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:43 AM
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Why would any woman settle for someone that get disgusted by something that has no effect on the future? Promiscuous behaviour is a trait. It doesn't go away. So it's an indicator of future behaviour. Treating sex as this disgusting thing to do and then expecting a woman to have it with a guy anyway is just not logically. Sex isn't disgusting. Promiscuous behaviour is. Look at it this way. Lending money from a bank for a car and paying off the debt each month is good behaviour. Getting 6 credit …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:12 PM
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Right but that's like saying cheeto dust, obese, stinky incels should just engage with women who like that and not these superficial horrible women who expect guys to be tall, fit and have good hygiene. It's the story of the fox and the grapes. You're basically saying that the high value men are not high value because they don't want you and then saying that human evolved psychology that makes men disgusted by promiscuous women is "insecurities" with is really just saying "those grapes are sour …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:36 AM
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Would most women love to have a wonderful happy relationship? Sure! I'm glad we agree. So the question is "how can women help themselves secure a wonderful happy relationship?" Well one big way is by not being promiscuous as that's a huge turn off to the kind of men who will make them feel secure and happy as those men are in short supply and in high demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 06:11 PM
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Saying women have lots of opinions and 45% of women will be single and childless by 2030 is a contradiction. I can go through the studies, I've posted them before. The vast majority of women want to be in a relationship and have children. The issue is there's a lack of suitable men. Which is another way of saying a huge number of women are unable to secure a suitable parter. Yes woman have the option to settle for an unsuitable partner, that was never in dispute. However by definition they're un…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 05:54 PM
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I suppose it matters to women who find themselves unable to get into relationships with self respecting men. Imagine if a cheeto dust covered, obese incel that hadn't showered in a month said "I dont see the issue or why it would matter what women are grossed out by. They dont have to be with men if they dont want to." You'd understand it's not that women don't want to be with men they just don't want to be with him. Same thing goes for promiscuous women. Self respecting men don't want to commit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 04:15 PM
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No i don't think there are a lot of factors. Most people have low body counts. It's only about 20% of both men and woman who rack up high body counts and they're mostly sleeping with the 20% of the opposite sex. rememeber it wasn't very low ago that sex = pregnancy and our psycology doesn't understand that's changed. The reality is that dick is cheap and pregnancy is costly. That's why even though i'm very tall and in shape I'd still have to put in a bunch of effort in order to cheat on my wife …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:19 PM
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right so a women who's promiscuous but has a low body count is also undesireable and you can't have a high body count and not be promiscuous. I mean it's pretty simple. Men don't want to commit to women who they see as "easy" as explained in the sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:02 PM
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right so men are naturally grossed out by promiscuous women but with enough propaganda some men with few options can convince themselves to overlook their disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 01:31 PM
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on promiscuity being a complex Behavioral trait Multidimensional Structure (not a single dimension) Jackson, J. J., & Kirkpatrick, L. A. (2007) The structure and measurement of human mating strategies: toward a multidimensional model of sociosexuality. Evolution and Human Behavior, 28(6), 382–391. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2007.04.005 → Demonstrates that sociosexuality has at least four distinct dimensions (short-term vs. long-term attitudes + behavior), making it a complex, multi-f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 10:46 AM
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Scientific evidence suggests that sexual promiscuity can be considered a behavioral trait influenced by a combination of genetic, personality, and biological factors, rather than merely a lifestyle choice. It is often studied within the context of sociosexuality (the willingness to engage in uncommitted sexual activity sorry you're wrong. And the judgment of that behaviour is based on societal standards. Evolutionary psychology (EP) identifies men's relative unwillingness to commit long-term (e.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 09:59 AM
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Promiscuity a trait and high body count is an expression of that trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:57 AM
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if so it’s not a shock whatsoever that 21 year old chads are having there own hoe phase so to speak, as these men who are always in demand and are that age will act like that. It's almost like different sexes value different traits. It's not hypocritical for a short, weak, agreeable, gentle woman to want a tall, strong, assertive, rugged man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:51 AM
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ask it again and have it lay out the number of men and women in each step. Yes the women marched at the start but when it turned violent that was the men. The bit you're talking about is ture but it was several hundered women vs between 20-50 guards and there were almso revolutionary men in the group roughing 5-10% meaning you had equal men to guards then the ratio of men went up to 70% men and 30% women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:44 AM
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They protested then the men joined them, that's when the real violence started. Some women were there but it wasn't women vs men it was men vs men with women there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:27 AM
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and abilty to conduct violence. Yes, effectly an army with a goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:29 PM
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Sorry can you please spell out what you're saying. It sounds like you'e saying that I'm arguing it was all down to Robespierre. I'm not arguing that at all. I'm saying people where collectivly pissed off so used violnce against the people they were pissed off with. The only numbers advantage with with the common people. Robespierre was just a flawed avatar for the terror.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 02:12 PM
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Yes he led them into a crazy spiral of killing and digging up graves and going way over the top until he was caught up in his own puraty spiral. That doesn't change anything. Oppressed people took a stand against their oppressors and demanded change using violence. The fact a purity spiral led to his death changes nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 01:47 PM
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You don't need people to agree with you. You just need them to not get in your way. It's not a force multiplication to have people sat in their homes and thinking "I like Robespierre" as long as they stay in their homes it doesn't matter what they think. It's men of action, taking action that causes change. Rights given freely can be taken away freely. Rights won show what happens when you try to take them. away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:48 PM
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Though oppression. A collective being sick of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:24 PM
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A right is something the government can't make laws against. The reason why they can't make laws against it is because of the reaction it would cause which is violence. Magna Carta and the bill of rights came by violence. Basically "if you don't stop doing this shit we'll fucking kill you" That's where rights come from and that's how rights are defended.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:17 PM
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sure and that's indirect violence but not direct violence. If the govenment wanted to crack down they could, with ease. That's not the same as what i've talked about. When women stop looking after the kids. What are you going to do then? Stop looking after whos kids? their kids? I mean if you want to murder your own kids though neglect then your husband is likey going to step in and if he's not around you can expect to go to jail for life plus you've just killed the person who means more to you …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:39 AM
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When have women ever took up arms or had a phyical battle with an oppressor? Men fight in coups or uprisings or revolutions or revolts. Women protest and ask. You're asking while men are telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:52 AM
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are any radfems able to answer a stright question with a stright answer without complaining and deconstructing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:35 AM
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Red pill is a lens to view the world though. The idea is that even if the things TRP says aren't true, if you behave like they are true you'll have more success with women if the current amount of success you have with women in about zero. The behaviours TRP suggests do work on some women, they're normally not great women and they often have personality disorders but that's kinda counteracted be the TRP lessons like AWALT (which isn't true but is kinda true for the women TRP tend to attract)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:50 AM
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Yes having a family is taking a risk no matter who it's with. she did more than you Well she took 2 years off work while I supported her so it's more we both did our part. she could do better than you. Young women>young men almost always in terms of what has value in a market place. The value of something is the price you get for it. If she could have done better she would have, If I could have done better I would have. We knew each other for several years before we dated and she was the one who…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 09:23 AM
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You seem to act like pregnancy is some crazy thing that's impossible to manage. My wife loved being pregnant. She stayed active the entire time and felt it was a magical experience. The partnership is we both work hard for each other and for our children. She does things she's better at and I do things I'm better at. When I say my wife behaved like a wife before getting married it's in the exact same sense that I acted like a husband. We had Shaired goals (to buy a house and get married and have…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 12:05 PM
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If you're waiting for a guy to have built everything by himself what does he need you for? My wife and I had nothing when we met now we have a nice middle class life style that we built together. The idea of a partner is you have shared goals and work in symbiosis to achieve those goals. You're describing a parasite that latches onto a wealthy host to extract. Other than that I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:25 AM
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r everyone. I’m friends with a girl who got married and has 2 kids with a nice guy who had sex with 200+ previous men in her 20’s…still all worked out for her. My pont is you need to get the guy to commit. Commitment means giving something to you that's not easy to give. "meeting their family" doesn't count as that's not difficult. Make them do something difficult and you'll soon se who actually likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:22 PM
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Then you need to up the understanding of commitment. Here's a simple one "Do/give something that you can't do for others without extream difficulty" I could introduce 100 girls to my family, it costs nothing. I can't buy 100 engagement rings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:52 AM
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Libertarian logic only works in a hyper agentic and inteligent adult population. The reality is if you allow and activly promote vice like sex work and drugs then what you're going to get is collapse because stupid people and easily influenced people fucking everything up. It's better to not allow certain choices to exist because too many people will make the wrong choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:43 AM
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I think you're right on this but the question is why? My opinion is it's a lot like the jobs market. Employeers complain that "no one wants to work" what that really means is people do want to work but they want more benifits and to do less labour. I think the same is true for men when it comes to relationships. They'd like sex and a relationship but it doesn't mean enough to them that they're willing to be what you need them to be. They don't "want to work"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:17 PM
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I don't think it's a matter of oppress at all. It's more like they want to move away from a system where welth is moved from men pockets via taxes into womens pockets. As things get more hostile men are going to ask "hold on why am I being over charged to use a system I under use?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:49 AM
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What you’re saying here is that it’s men’s fault that they’re homeless because they can’t find a relationship where other people support them. Most men are not attractive, and men’s shelters pretty much don’t exist. You’re just victim-blaming men because they aren’t looked after or valued in the same way women are. Any issue that disproportionately affects women is never considered women’s fault, because they’re seen as having no accountability. Any situation that affects men is always treated a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:21 AM
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It's not a matter of going for a hot woman it's a matter that women tend to not want to date men who don't make more than them. Men don't really care about a woman's income. Saying successful men should only marry successful women or they deserve to be divorce raped only backs up my argument that they just shouldn't get married
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 08:11 AM
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And what if what he earns is a lot more than you earn? If you just want to keep what you brought in and he gets to keep what he brought in then marriage isn't necessary. This is why I made the point to discuss highly successful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:45 PM
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That's fine and I understand the argument that if you get tired of your husband you shouldn't be forced to stay with him. The consequences of that change is men stop engaging in marriage if it means if you as a men do nothing wrong in your marriage and your wife starts sleeping with your pool boy that means you have to give her half of everything you've earned and your property and pention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:46 PM
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Which bit? He wants a woman who makes 100k I'd be looking for a partner who makes around $100k he doesn't want kids. I have no interest in children, so I'd want a partner on the same wavelength he expects a prenup. I'd ABSOLUTELY want a prenup, and I'd insist that she has her own separate savings he expects to take no accountabilty over running the house. if she wants a clean and tidy and picturesque home, that's fine, but I don't have the time or energy or inclination to contribute. Again. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:30 AM
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I'm not. I'm simply asking if the reason why he's not looking for a relationship because it's going to be hard to find a woman that meets the crteria he's looking for. I don't think there's anything wrong with what he's saying, I think it's reasonable. I just want to know if he's staying single because it's a unicorn hunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:21 AM
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I guess i mean you could easyly support a wife and kids in a nice area and have a decent amount of savings. upper middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:18 AM
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That’s actually the reason I’m asking. I think the system is at its worst for successful men, because you’re going to struggle to be around, you’ll often be tired or grumpy, and divorce can create an incentive for her to leave — since you’d still have to support her and her lifestyle wouldn’t take much of a hit. For example, I’m married. If my wife and I divorced, we’d both be screwed. We both work, and it’s the joint income that makes our lifestyle possible. On our own, neither of us could main…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:15 AM
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Do you have any conserns about what her aims and goals are. Like if she wants to be a mother and stay home or if she wants a high end career or she wants to try and do a bit of both?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:12 AM
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Thank you for the response. So you'd maybe want a wife if she make 100k and wanted to play home maker and was willing to sign a prenup and didn't want kids? I mean I'm guessing by the fact you say you're not looking for a partner you likey understand that expecting a woman in the top 12% of earners (according to chatgpt) to be a house wife on top of that and to manage your home on top of that. you understand that's likey not going to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:10 AM
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I'd class that as successful. So you're boradly in the I'd like a house maker wife but I don't trust her to not abuse the system and ruin me as I'm a magnet due to my success? Is that accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:07 AM
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So you're angry that he's right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 09:19 AM
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Here's 3 articals from the guardian saying it. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/01/why-we-should-close-womens-prisons-and-treat-their-crimes-more-fairly?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://support.theguardian.com/uk/guardian-ad-lite?returnAddress=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fsociety%2Farticle%2F2024%2Fjul%2F28%2Fwomens-prisons-have-served-their-time-they-should-be-abolished%3Futm_source%3Dchatgpt.com https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/09/women-dying-in-jails-they-sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 09:17 AM
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It's not male delusion. It's men saying that relationships are not worth it if you're independently successful. For women who want to be a supportive role there's too much risk of divorce because of no fault divorce and the fact you'll have been supporting her so you'll lose everything. Also because tech has made living alone incredibly easy. For women who want an equally successful partner, men don't want a husband. If he already has his own money he's gaining nothing by dating someone who isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:32 AM
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That's why I described at as a catch 22. Yes it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. This is why more and more men are opting to stay single as it feels like there's no good solution. They don't want a house wife because if she gets bored she'll leave him in ruins and they don't want a carrer woman as what's the point when you're never going to see each other and her career and money is meaningless to you. This is the reason why guys are checking out of relationships. It's not hatrid of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:31 AM
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The problem is still that she's going to be busy all the time and isn't going to playing a support role that men typically look for. There's no need share wealth and expenses if you have enough money to easily cover your expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 05:17 PM
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Lesbian couples tend to move in with each other much faster and take big life steps much faster. so people used to get married eariler and still had less divorces Generally lesbian couples who marry later and slower into a relationship are less likely to divorce where's the evidence for that? odds are their divorce rates will also drop dramatically as the urgency to get married lieu of lesbian marriage becoming far more normalised Gay men get divorced at a lower rate than stright couples so obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:47 AM
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The problem is it's a catch 22. What does a guy with money need a career women for? she's just going to be busy and stressed out all the time and isn't going to play a support role in the mans life. If he then if he does go for a women who does want to play a support role that means he's going to have to pay for everything and if they havekid/get married and she gets bored/cheats/whatever he's going to be left ruined.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:57 AM
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For me it wasn’t just one body type — it was the combination of changes as I grew up. I’m 6'4, but I was a late bloomer, so the biggest jump in attention came when I suddenly went from “average height kid” to “tall guy.” Then a second wave hit when I finally got in proper shape and learned how to dress myself like an adult instead of a teenager. Fast-forward to 40: I’m still in good shape, but I’ve basically retired from trying to look sharp. I buzz my own hair with clippers, I dress like someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:15 PM
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I’m saying that men with the traits we’re discussing — i.e., Dark Triad traits — tend to have more sexual partners and pursue short-term dating strategies. There’s a lot of research on this if you want proof, but you can also just look it up — there are multiple studies showing the link between these personality traits and higher numbers of sexual or casual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:53 AM
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Again, you asked me what percentage of men I think are “bad,” not what percentage of women end up dealing with bad men. If you’re asking what percentage of people are actual muggers, that’s going to be a much smaller number than the percentage of people who have been mugged — the victim pool is always larger than the offender pool. I’m saying about 20% of men are “bad” in the sense of being consistently toxic, selfish, or harmful — that’s roughly 1 in 5 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:30 AM
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You’re misunderstanding me. What I mean is that we have to judge an individual’s behaviour against the norms that exist in society at the time — not some idealised or timeless standard. Norms change, so we’re always judging against the standards of the day. Like I said, I’d call someone “bad” if their behaviour is abnormal, and in this context, I’d estimate that’s roughly 20% of men. I’d also add that in terms of women’s experiences, interactions with “bad men” are disproportionately high. I’d e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:08 AM
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I agree that “normal” behaviour isn’t automatically harmless — norms can absolutely be damaging. Two hundred years ago, beating your wife was considered normal, but that doesn’t mean it was ever morally acceptable. So I’m not saying “normal = good.” What I’m saying is that when we’re trying to distinguish between ordinary human flaws and actually bad behaviour, the line has to be drawn at the point where someone crosses into abnormal, consistently harmful, or extreme behaviour relative to the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:12 AM
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Right — and what I’m saying is that when you look at studies on human behaviour, you consistently see that roughly 20% of people fall into the more extreme negative end of various traits. So it’s reasonable to predict that a similar proportion of men will fall into the “bad” category — meaning the ones who tip into toxic, harmful or abusive behaviour. That doesn’t mean the other 80% of men never do anything wrong, but at some point you have to draw a line between normal human flaws and consisten…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:51 AM
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We know that in many areas of human behaviour, a small group accounts for a large share of the extremes. For example, roughly 20% of people commit around 80% of all crime, and a similar proportion fall into the “hyper-sexual” end of the spectrum. That’s just how normal distributions tend to work — about 15–20% of people sit at the more extreme ends. But that doesn’t mean the other 80% of men never do anything wrong; it just means they aren’t what most people would label as “bad”. And importantly…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:29 AM
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I'm talking about tall and strong for a woman. I don't see it as double standards to want someone who's different from you. I don't want to date the female vertion of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:38 PM
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I don't really understand this. If a woman says, "I want a guy who's tall, wealthy, and physically strong," is that a double standard if she's 5'2", lower-middle class, and weak? Men value purity in women in a way women broadly don't value it in men. There is an obvious difference in that I'd bet almost any woman on this forum could go on Tinder and sleep with 30 quite attractive guys in 30 days, but there are essentially zero guys who could sleep with 30 attractive women in 30 days off Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:22 AM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPkGT0MXAAEtz6m?format=jpg&name=medium Study this image.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:44 PM
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Official stats say 30 have had relationships they consider Abusive. I'd argue all women are attracted to dangerous men it's just a scale and risk vs reward. Much like all men are attracted on some level to crazy&slutty women just most guys realise it's better to not engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:37 PM
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If the guy was pretending to be a good person and he had a secret life that's of course not your fault. I'm not talking about those guys. I'm saying women are attracted to dangerous men and they're warned about them but do it anyway because they are often exciting relationships. With those guys it's like moaning about burning yourself on a stove you were warned was hot and blaming the stove. I have exactly the same opinion when guys actively go for girls who are obviously BPD but they go for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:17 PM
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Women willingly date men because they are drug dealers. I'm not talking about liars. I'm talking about women being attracted to men they know are dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:06 PM
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If you can't see that a "warning hot surface" and a face tattooed criminal are both warning signs then you're going to struggle at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:05 PM
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If someone tells you that the stove is hot and not to touch it and you ignore them and touch the hot stove and burn yourself do you feel the need to go around telling everyone? The issue is women are warned about the wrong kind of guys but women find dangerious men exciting and find stable guys boring. then you go "Oh no how could I have known that the violent drug dealer with facial tattoos was going to be abucive" Every one knew, everyone told you. you don't need to go around talking about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:08 AM
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How's that different from being unable to get a permanent position at a job you want? That also requires luck and 2 willing parties and some people don't want a permanent position? If I want to be a programmer and I keep getting knocked back at interviews (dates) or can only get short term contracts (situationships) but never a permanent position (marriage) isn't that failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:10 AM
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Okay well I've explained why I think trying to do something that is very important to people and failing is... Failing. Can you explain how trying to do something and failing isn't failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:27 AM
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No getting a partner is very similar to getting a job. You can be more of what they want. You can have relationships and learn to be a better partner. You can get better at dating. You can't force an employer to give you a permanent position either you can only become more desirable so they want to to commit. It's exactly the same for relationships. You seem to be making incel talking points that self improvement doesn't work You can't just expect people to like you. You have to become a person …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:25 AM
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I'm not arguing against anything you've said. They said it's not a failure. I'm saying there's ways where it can definitely be a failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:06 PM
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The difference is effort. I didn't fail at owning a Ferrari as I never tried to. I did fail getting the fastest time on a hiking route because I tried a bunch of times and never got the best time. My question is about if a woman tries really hard to find a decent guy and get him to commit but no guy wants to. Did she fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:03 PM
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My "suitable man" I mean a man that women finds to be suitable for her. Finding someone attractive is a bare minimum for a suitable partner. My question is if you can't get a guy you're into and trust and who's reliable etc to commit after you've tried and tried and it never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:00 PM
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Where did I say people should feel ashamed?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:57 PM
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I mean if I really want a suitable job and I can't get one that's failing. If I really want a suitable house and I can't get one that's failing. If I really want to get married and have a family and I can't do it that's failing too. Relationships are the most important part of our lives so if you can't secure a good one and have the most meaningful vertion of that which is a spouse and kids, even if you're trying then yeah, that sounds like a failure to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 12:57 PM
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But in a situation where a woman is deeply desireing commitment from a suitable man and she can't get it, is that a failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 12:06 PM
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What if someone wants a committed relationship but can't find anyone suitable who would like a committed relationship with them? Like There's good reasons not to work and there's people who can't find work because they're thick and have no skills. Same thing for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:56 AM
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I live in the UK and official stats show 28% of people work at home some of the time and 16% only at home and 30% of mothers and interestingly 41% of father's. So at least in the UK it's very common. I think we're probably closer to agreement than disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:37 PM
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It's a complex issue and there are no solutions to complex issues there's simply different trade offs. You can argue ideally both parents stay at home would be better for the kids and even better for the kids. The issue is the trade off you have to make to do it. There has to be a point where the woman staying at home simply isn't worth the trade off. I guess the question is when have we managed to get to that stage. Like my wife mostly works from home and works a 4 day week so can cook during t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:13 PM
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I don't look down on it historically. I think until pretty recently say 15-20 years ago it was absolutely ideal to do the trad thing. Or if the guy wants to work a 70 hour week I think that's understandable or if they have a bit of a homestead or she home schools. It's more that because the chores for the average house has largely been streamlined by tech it seems like a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:34 PM
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So she'd go shopping and do some cooking and a bit of admin. You can now shop online and have it delivered, cooking doesn't require the day off and you can make appointments online now and I don't understand how many appointments you can have. I have 2 young kids and it's not hard to manage. I think you need to understand that our parents grew up when things were significantly less convenient and tech has made things much easier due to the necessity of people working. I'd absolutely agree with y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:13 PM
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so what should the woman be doing between 8am and 6pm each day?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:36 AM
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Sure and kindness, purity, agreeableness, nurturing attitude have a much larger impact and men's attraction to women than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:23 AM
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Do you think that once the kids are in school so said wife is pretty much free from 8-3 every day it's more of an improvement to have her in the home during the day than the benefit they'd get from an extra income?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:02 AM
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What's your opinion? Like lets say you have a couple and the kids are in school is it important enough to sacrifice a second salary to stay at home to house keep?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 08:04 AM
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I'm saying managing your money has got easier with technology. I'm not saying people aren't struggling to manage on the amount of money they make. I'm guessing you're young and you don't remember what a pain paying bills and having to go into the bank all the time was.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:18 PM
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short answer no. Long answer only if dads working a 70 hour week and she's rubbing a homestead or home schooling 5 kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:39 AM
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Tradwife is stupid and lets breakdown why. Home economics and housework has been simplified to an astonishing degree. All your billing, banking, money management has gone from a real job into a non issue. House work has been hugely simplified from online grocery shopping to washer driers, roombas, ready meals that don't suck, things being cheaper to replace than repair, amazon meaning you never have to go to almost any shop ever again etc. All these things have effectively freed up women from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:37 AM
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Men are women are psychologically different so if I became the opposite gender magically and biologically then my interests would change. For example I'm much more interested in things than people which is typical for my sex. I couldn't tell you how much that'd change in a gender swap so I can't tell you how that'd change my career, relationships or dating. Or are you asking what I'd do if I woke up tomorrow with the exact same brain in a woman's body?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:37 AM
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OF acts like it's a get rich quick sceme and tries to get the few successes on their to show off their material goods to lure in other women. This is what pimps do. They get their prostitute to recruit other women because women are more likey to listen to other women. The median income for a woman on only fans is $150 per month. That's not a lot of money and will put off a huge percentage of men from ever committing to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:45 AM
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Exactly. Being treated like a princess means being given everything because you exist and are simply entitled to everything because you exist. You're born deserving of everything and no one should question it. I'm not interested in treating anyone that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:13 AM
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I found 3 studies on this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36687855/ https://eqhq.org/about-eq/do-women-have-higher-eq-than-men/?utm https://bmcmededuc.biomedcentral.com/counter/pdf/10.1186/s12909-018-1213-3.pd They come to the same conclusion that men and women have the same emotional intelligence but they score differently on different componets of the test. Women are better at empathy and men are better at intrapersonal women scored higher at interpersonal and men scores higher at stress manag…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:42 AM
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I don’t want to date women who don’t want to date men like me. I don't really understand what that means. You mean you're going to give in to the worst parts of your personality and if people don't like it then you don't like them? No, I try and be better than that and avoid sin and I hope the people around me do the same. We're all deeply floored and there's nothing we can do about it other than try and be better though self discipline and restraint. I don’t believe YOU want to date women who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 04:27 AM
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It's legal here in the UK. It's illegal to cerb crawl, pimp, solicit, or hire a woman who is being trafficked but it's legal to hire a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:38 PM
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Women broadly don't want to date men who fuck prostitutes. That's a repercussion if you want a relationship which the vast majority of people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:30 PM
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People have been sticking blades into peoples necks for 1000s of years is it taboo to murder people? Of course prostitution is taboo. Why is it arguing with people on the left is just them intentionally misunderstanding everything making discussion impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 09:56 AM
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To be fair if you're a guy who attractive and wealthy then you have infinite options when it comes to who you date and you can afford to pay people to be your wife (personal assistant, house staff, nanny, nutrionist etc) so at that point you're just looking for someone hot who's plesent to be around rather than an actual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:59 AM
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Why is it okay to be critical of men’s issues with divorce but when it’s about women’s issues with divorce, it’s “planning for divorce”? Divorce laws effect everyone. Do you think it's OK that a guy can cheat on his wife and take half a house she inherited and half her pention? It's not planning for divorce to say if you break the contract you shouldnt be rewarded. Okay, so you do understand how women grow resentment in that scenario? Or does that only apply to you? In the synario where they dra…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 06:42 PM
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So would you say talking about men’s issues post divorce (divorce “rape”, custody…) is also “planning for divorce”? No I think it's OK to be critical of the courts and laws. I think it's understandable that those laws and courts have put a lot of people off marriage and I don't blame them. Personally I think the laws explain a lot of the 40% divorce rate. then we talked about not doing chores and resentment, you claimed women are “flimsy” for building resentment when they do more chores when the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:22 PM
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Okay, glad we agree. In that case, you can respond to my previous point about imbalance of payed / unpayed labour and how it relates to divorce. It's irrelevant. Who cares when you have shared finances? Again if you're living like you're planning for divorce then don't get married. Now you claim you are completely fine with doing more chores when married / living with a partner, but previously you said you would never live with someone if that meant you would have to do more chores As I stated e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 04:07 PM
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Okay so noone should discuss any societal issues regarding divorce since noone should ever get divorced? Of course they should. But if you choose to get married then you should go into it with the plan to never divorce not to be preplanning your exit strategy before you even say "I do". People should absolutely discuss it and as I said I don't don't think marriage is suitable for a lot of people any more. If I felt about marriage they way you seem to think about it then I definitely wouldn't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:44 PM
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This is not about your personal life or anyone elses or what they should or should not plan for. I am saying it’s a societal issue given how common divorce is. No matter how much you wish people didn’t divorce, ignoring reality won’t help anyone. If you're going into marriage with the idea of hiding your finances and putting your possessions in your mother name or whatever other scams to set yourself up for divorce then I don't think marriage is for you. I don't think marriage is for a lot of pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:21 AM
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I did not ask you want you want to do in your personal relationships. I am asking you if you acknowledge that there is an imbalance in the case of divorce (which is relevant on a societal level since around 40% marriages end in divorce I think if you're going to plan your life around divorce you shouldn't get married I've never thought about how I should be prepping for divorce rather than what's going to work in the marriage. What's the point in swearing to never break up then behave like you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:03 PM
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Do you acknowledge that one partner doing a disproportionate amount of unpayed work and the other mainly payed work creates an imbalance? No. If I made 7 figures a year I wouldn't want my wife to work and she'd feel the same way if she made that much. I'd rather be pragmatic than fair and I don't believe in basing your relationship about what do do in case of divorce. What an overreaction. If not eating the same food is what tips the scale from “worth it” to “not worth it”, I agree you shouldn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:55 PM
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Wanting your partner to work for you for free. Partners both work together to a shared goal. Anyone who says unpaid work is going to be a fucking terrible partner. Why don’t you eat separately If you're going to live together like housemates there's no point in living together. It's better to have a housemate at that point. your wife cares about the nutrition of your children I'm not talking about me. Being married with kids is a very different experience than having a girlfriend you live with. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:55 PM
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If it's less work living alone then why sign up? Like if 100% of the work of living alone is more than the 50% of the work of living with you then what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:44 PM
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And men couldn't do paid work without a woman managing the house. It was a symbiotic relationship. BTW women and men have always been able to get by on their own it just sucked so people didn't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:41 PM
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what percentage of people went to collage? What was the % of income spent on food? Did they have access to our healthcare? what was infant mortality? Everyone lives in cities. No they don't. you're blind to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:25 PM
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Sorry do you think there was less poverty by modern standards in the 50s? Do you think there was less racism and sexism in the 50s? Do you think all the unregulated pollution wasn't an issue back then? It's not that people are getting help it's that people are going crazy. Much like you. BTW almost all gun violence comes from left wing cities, right wing areas have minimal gun violence. Also yougov is left leaning so at least do a bit better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:01 PM
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Have you looked at the life satisfaction numbers or the number of women suffering for mental health issues or this recent study https://ifstudies.org/press-release/married-moms-twice-as-likely-to-be-very-happy-than-single-or-childless-women You seem to be looking at this as a men VS women thing when you should be looking at this as a women now vs a women then thing. Women aren't getting happier they're getting increasingly unhappy and unwell.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:40 PM
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No my argument is that long term committed relationships are increasingly doomed because living together has lost it's incentives. Living with someone used to make both peoples lives easier now it makes both peoples lives harder. The arguments here are women saying "if you move in with me and don't make my life easier, I'm going to stop having sex with you" and men are saying "Living with you and making your life easier means me making my life much hard than it would be living alone and I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:07 PM
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Sure but they're not going to get past a certain point and so they're likely just going to fizzle out and thus we see the rise of singledom, short term dating and situationships
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:01 PM
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it does seem there are less relationships overall, but people who are in a long term relationship almost always move together eventually. Do you have a different experience? Oh, I agree but what I'm saying is long term relationships where people move in together are becoming increasingly rare because there's less and less of a point. Guys aren't going to want to give up their apartment to do more housework and have less sex. Men used to want to live with women as it meant men had to do less hous…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:55 AM
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Right but what we're seeing is a drop in couples living together, more people single than ever before and men avoiding commitment. I say a big part of that is that it's easier for men to live alone or with housemates and they don't like the idea of having to collect good boy points to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:37 AM
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I Think we're debating Why do so many women say their low sex drive is due to the burden of household chores My position is not to move in with women who's sex drive is linked to chore hours and on top of that I think that this chores = sex idea is very unhealthy and is one explanation as to why people are avoiding relationships where they move in together and are choosing short term non commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:35 AM
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Okay so if the reason people lived together as a couple was that there were no machines helping with chores, how is it possible that many couples live together today? The easier it is to live alone the fewer people live together. That's what we're seeing What I am also not understanding is why not having machines helping with chores would motivate people to move in with their partner? It’s not like when you live with a partner, you don’t need to do chores all of the sudden. Do you think only peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:14 AM
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Or we see a huge rise in short term dating because long term relationships are less desirable and that's exactly what we're seeing in the rise of the situationship. People are moving from looking for a meaningful relationship to short term non committed relationships and commitment is too much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:08 AM
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Sorry allow me to be clear. If the rule you're suggesting is that if a man and woman move in together and he doesn't meet her much higher needs of cleaning she's going to stop finding him sexually attractive then I suggest housemates. If a man and woman live together and she expects him to do make at least the same amount of effort as he did when he lived alone and he's going to find him sexually desirable not based on his housework he should live with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:05 AM
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Oh it was from Morgan Stanley and they're using it for stock predictions. So it's women aged 25-44 in 2030 so women who are 39 today not women who are 44 today. So they're going to be investing in catfood and shorting nappies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:37 AM
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And people aren't getting married and there's more single people than ever before. Are you arguing that's not true?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:14 AM
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Right but you get more of it when you live together. You also get under each others feet more and familiarity breeds contempt. like it or not it's hard to live with people. Are you under the impression that couples just randomly move in together for no reason? Living alone used to be hard. Now it's easy with online shopping, billing, banking, food deliveries, Roombas, dishwashers, washer dryers etc etc it's easier to live alone outside of splitting bills. why would he worry about resentment buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:12 AM
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How do you mean exactly? Marriage rates are dropping very quickly across the west and from everything I've seen it's an issue that men are just not putting in the effort to be the kind of partners women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:04 AM
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I agree it's complex. I think if I ended up single again I wouldn't live with anyone again. Living alone is easy and stress free and I have no desire to start a second family to the point I got the snip. As you say it's down to personal preference but I think most men would rather have more sex while doing less house work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:54 AM
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But you can already spend time together living apart and that time is nice quality time and not the guy on his hands and knees scrubbing the bathroom floor, worrying if he doesn't she's going to stop finding him attractive. Like you say things are complex and there's no solutions to complex problems only trade offs. The issue that I see is modernity has made living alone incredibly easy and that's made living with a partner much harder. single men don't need help around the house any more as tec…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:42 AM
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I don’t see any issue with someone not choosing to live with their partner. I'm nor asking if it's moral or not in your view I'm asking about if you think telling men "If we move in together you need to double the amount of house work you're doing or I'm going to stop sleeping with you" is going to incentivise men to move in with their girlfriends or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:34 AM
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I'm not calling for duty sex. I'm saying if living with my girlfriend and doing the same number of hours of house work, as I did living alone is going to be a huge tun off for her then why would I want to live with her? Like my behaviours hasn't changed but she is going to stop finding me desirable simply by moving in with her that's a disincentive to living with her. Society is based around incentive structures and this is an incentive structure that means relationships don't progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:21 AM
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But you must understand why that'd put men off right? If moving in means they'll have both a worse relationship while also having to spend more time doing chores?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:10 AM
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sorry please go back and read the edit i put in from AI. My point here is that men and women don't do the same amount of housework when they live alone, women do a lot more. So when a man and woman move in together the guys housework increases but the women still feels short changed. This then results in the topic which is women then start to deny their partner. This is a real issue because men are going to look at this and think "So if I move in with my girlfriend not only is my amount of house…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:43 AM
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again though more than my half meaning what? If i spent 4 hours a week doing chores when i lived alone and 6 living with my wife doing 50/50 she's making my life harder not easier right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:21 AM
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So do you think because I have more cleaning to do because of my wife it'd be reasonable to stop having sex with her or stop supporting her? I mean that's the topic right, that women justify denying their partners because there's more washing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:33 AM
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Yes and no. They're choosing not to have children or get married in the same way they're choosing not to own homes. It's possible to buy a home or get married but it's not possible to buy a property they desire and they can't find a man they desire who's willing to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:21 AM
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It's the younger half of the millennials that the prediction refers to. It's by 2030 not today.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:19 AM
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So do I. I also have a much richer relationship with my wife and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 06:58 PM
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I guess it depends what you mean by dirty. I have no issue when it's just me doing a deep clean of the bathroom once a month with regular quick once overs. But I have kids and a wife so it needs to be cleaned all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:25 PM
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If you think single guys are cleaning their bathroom every week you're deluded. I kept it clean with quick wipe downs but I actually cleaned it about once a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:36 PM
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Except there's 2 of you so there's double the mess and while mens bathrooms have like 3 products in max women's have like 25 minimum so cleaning becomes a chore rather than a quick wipe down. I have a robot vacuum and honestly I probably dusted about once every 3 months when I lived alone. It's definitely harder living with a woman as you just bring in more stuff. I still love living with my wife but it's never made my life easier, it's just worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:27 PM
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I don't think you're entirely wrong. As single life becomes incresingly convenient other people become incresingly inconvenient. The downside of that is relationships are the thing that give our lives meaning and as we pick the easy thing rather than then difficult thing people are finding themselves less and less satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:11 AM
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I've lived on my own for years and with several girlfriends and I've lived with my wife for almost 10 years. It's 100% easier to live on your own. Cooking for 1 is easier than cooking for 2 as I batch cook so it goes twice as far and I don't have to deal with what anyone else want to eat. between dishwashers, washer dryers, roombas, online shopping etc etc it's all super easy and you're not dealing with anyone elses standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:07 AM
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Given that roughly 45% of millennial women are going to be forever unmarried and childless it seems like that's exactly what men are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:12 AM
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So if i live in my own apartment I get to do what i want all the time and have loads of sex and If i move in then i have to do what you want all the time and have no sex? I wonder why men aren't committing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:29 AM
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The issue is that women and men are different and I'd bet my house that if you took single men and single women making the same amount of money, working the same number of hours a week and lived in identical apartment spaces that women would still spend way longer on chores. Doing all the work as a single man is less work than doing half the work living with a woman and you have to meet their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:30 AM
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So you can't offer him good advise for fear he could get bad advice Seems kinda wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:30 PM
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Have you recommended hoemath to your friend and if you've not would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:09 PM
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Fair enough. I've not been in a redpill forum for 10-15 years. It seems like almost all of what was discussed back then has now gone entirely mainstream. I guess they've become increasingly niche because of that. I still think people like hoe math are doing great work that I'd put in the redpill sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:10 AM
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Why do you hope he doesn't discover the redpill? Does it seem like the blue pill has been working for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:21 AM
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I know old people who smoked their entire lives and are still alive and well. Explain that with your smoking kills logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:18 AM
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Are any given individual women's standards bad? No, have what ever standards you like. Are women's standards unreasonable? No, I think it's fine to want a partner you're attracted to and this generation largely grew up with a provider father and likely they're more educated than their mothers and so expect a guy who can provide at least as well as their dad did. Are womens standards realistic given the state of modern dating allowing attractive men access to huge numbers of women and with an eco…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:13 AM
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One guy stringed his girlfriend for 10 years despite her asking to be married to him and have kids, but nope, and shes still with him being stringed along. do you mean he agreed and then didn't or he said it's not for him? I'm married but I absolutely understand why a lot of guys would avoid it. Remember that if a guy has assets like a house and he gets married and has kids and she starts cheating on him, he'll be kicked out of his house until the kids are 18 (at least here in the UK). That's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:38 AM
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You might be better off doing a poll than asking this, to avoid selection bias. I can't imagine many women are going to respond with "I'm unattractive and unable to get into a relationship with a decent guy and I find myself being continually used and discarded"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:43 PM
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I put the study into chatgpt and asked it about what percentage of men and women where rated as below average by the opposite sex it said Given the low mean (33.70) and typical distribution of attractiveness ratings (often skewed), it's likely that well over 70% of men were rated below average (50) by female raters. Since the mean is slightly above 50, and assuming a roughly normal distribution, approximately 40–45% of women were likely rated as below average by male raters. When I asked it to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:49 AM
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Incorrect. I don't not like men or women for being promiscuous, I just think it's bad for society. I think things would be much better if people didn't have sex outside of commitment. I think it makes both sexes incredibly jaded about the opposite sex and then they're thrown back in the dating pool for the rest of us to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:15 AM
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If by extreamly high levels of social control you mean all the modern history in the west until the 60s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 02:32 PM
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The only solution to this is what Jordan Peterson described as "Enforced monogamy" that doesn't mean government mandated big tiddy goth gfs. It means men and women need to stop with situationships, FWBs, hook ups etc. A societal move to "no sex before commitment" Would solve most issues. It'd ruins top guys deciding to pick varity over quality so they'd just commit to top women and it's ruins women hypergamy because they'd no longer have access to the top guys. This means people would have to da…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:42 AM
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I guess women really are dating the same guys then considering women outnumber men 6 to 4 at colleges.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 11:50 AM
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"People should just feel differently about things" Yeah good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 09:38 AM
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You're like a white person telling a black person how to be black. You're not a man, stop Womansplaining masculinity to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 08:12 AM
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ok so you have 2 graphs one with 7 bars the bottom 3 bars add up to 81% of men that's 81% of men are BELOW average and the other 4 bars go from average to most attractive. So the question is where on the 2nd graph showing messages does that line between the 80% of unnattracive men and the 20% of average to very attractive guys start. so we start with 5 as it's a 0-5 ranking then we divide by 7 as there's 7 bars. Then we times by 3 because we're looking for only the bottom 3 bars as they make up …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 10:21 AM
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Take a close look at the two areas in the graph where the difference is most pronounced: https://imgur.com/a/XggZr0w Men in the bottom 80% of attractiveness receive far fewer responses proportionally. Meanwhile, men rated between 2.5 and 5 get far more messages proportionally. What this shows is that messaging behaviour heavily favours the top 20% of men — those rated as average or above — despite the fact that, based on the data, only a small minority of men are rated that highly. And here’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:39 AM
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Take a close look at the two areas in the graph where the difference is most pronounced: https://imgur.com/a/XggZr0w Men in the bottom 80% of attractiveness receive far fewer responses proportionally. Meanwhile, men rated between 2.5 and 5 get far more messages proportionally. What this shows is that messaging behaviour heavily favours the top 20% of men — those rated as average or above — despite the fact that, based on the data, only a small minority of men are rated that highly. And here’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:01 AM
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This seems like one of those arguments that just ignore per capita. sure the 80% still get the most messages but not by a lot and they make up 80%. Despite making up only ~11% of men, those rated between 5.0 and 7.0 in attractiveness receive about 18% of all female-initiated messages. This expanded sweet spot still captures the best messaging-to-appearance ratio, suggesting that being above average but not at the top yields the most attention relative to competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:15 AM
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Would you say it's more like "she looks amazing, She's not going to think I'm amazing, so I'm just going to be quiet and not talk to her"? As that's pretty close to overawe which is a kind of intimidation but not how most people think of it when they think about intimidation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:05 AM
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Seems kinda crazy to marry a woman who cheated on her husband with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:06 PM
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She was sleeping with other men. She remarried with her affair partner immediately after the divorce. How'd that turn out?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:32 AM
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I'd describe settling as picking someone below your perceived value. So a person wo considers themself a 6 and marries a 5 is settling. If you're a 6 and marrying a 7 you're punching above your weight. My logic is you're settling what's available rather than holding out for the correct market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:30 AM
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Do you care to expand on this? If I'm a young man, I live on my own and I have all the modern conveniences I described above what exactly am I getting by letting a woman move in with me? I agree with you historically, you'd be 100% correct in that argument. I'm talking about today. What work would I need a woman to do in my 1 bed apartment that isn't basically solved by tech?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:30 AM
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Misandry is real. Obviously true but like misogyny it's not an on off switch where some people are and some people aren't it's everyone is to some degree and most women don't hate men, it's just the very loud ones are very loud. It's also pretty easy to screen for as women with a large amount of misandry aren't shy about it. Men are hypogamous (have significantly relaxed standards) when it comes to short-term dating, which leads to things like alpha widows or alpha fucks, beta bucks. First part …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:46 AM
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I'm married and I'm hear for the exact same reason I follow US politics despite living in the UK. It's interesting and like it or not it's going to have an impact on the society I live in. We have mass immigration in the UK because people aren't having kids. I'm interested as to what the fuck is going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:08 AM
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I actually came to this sub hoping to have some of my RP beliefs be debunked so I could go back to living a normal blue pill life. Which ones? Like can you give me the biggest 3 redpill beliefs you want debunked?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:06 AM
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https://www.businessinsurance.com/netflix-views-five-seconds-of-staring-as-sexual-harassment/ I was referring to this and people get punished for sexual harassment all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 05:32 PM
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It doesn't change the fact that it's acting like a gang bang is no big deal and looking at someone is, is a crazy way to look at the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:00 AM
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It's not a matter of capitalism vs Marxism. It's more like if you wanted a cake you had to go and source all the ingredients and learn how to make it then put the effort in and you'd eventually have your cake. Now if you're peckish you can have whatever cake you want door dashed to you at 2am. This means a lot of people with poor impulse control are making bad decisions. We also have this incredibly strange culture where on one hand we're super open and sex positive and anti slut shaming and pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:45 AM
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What percentage of women are "tall, built like a line backer, had a heavy jaw and a prominent brow ridge" VS What percentage of men are "Short and stocky"? This is just an example of how most men find most women attractive and most women find very few men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:37 AM
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Male only spaces are effetely illegal in my country (uk) because of the equalities act. I was clear about the country I live in and I mentioned the specific legislation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:12 AM
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What does it represent to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:11 AM
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Yes people can hang out at each others houses but you can't create a 3rd space that's single sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:37 PM
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Is this what you thought I was saying? Lmao not at all. Fair enough. It's maybe just me but whenever I hear people should get money to get women, I think you're either saying me flashy and bang vapid idiots or attract women who are only interested in your wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:19 PM
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Well my advise to my 2 boys will be to be as competent as you can and do what you can to look attractive. Confidence comes from competence and like it or not people like attractive people, It's good advise for men and women, it just seems like a lot of the time only women listen and make an effort. In terms of personality I think that comes from being interested in things and being good at stuff. Interested people are interesting. People like people with shared interests so my advise is go do th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:09 PM
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That's a mental health support group that can allow specific crave outs like a woman's shelter. Men aren't allowed total organise and socialise with other men in male only environments unless for very specific reasons and even then only if there's an easy to access female equivalent that's easy to access in the same area.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 08:52 AM
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Male only spaces are effetely illegal in my country (uk) because of the equalities act.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:50 AM
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Personality and finances then. Break this down for me then. As most of this advise is going to be aimed at young men. They're not going to have good finances and saying "just have a good personality" is like saying "just be attractive". I worked sales jobs while I was at uni, I can tell you for a fact there's 3 kinda of people who can sell. 1) People who just have a gift of being able to talk to people 2)Tall men 3)women with large breasts/very attractive. To me when someone saying "just have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:47 AM
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Sure that's why I'm purple pilled. The issue I see is that while the blue pill is correct about some things if you follow it as directed you'll fail every time and if you follow the red pill as directed you'll just be acting like a sociopath and that won't end well for you or society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:36 AM
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You have flair calling yourself blue pill woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:32 AM
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If it's a loving and fulfilling relationship, then he should learn how to be a considerate partner ie "being nice". That's only one part of having a contented life though. I'm married and I've been with the same woman for a decade, I get once you're in the relationship and you want it to last you have to be "nice". But the issue is you have to first get into the relationship right? So my question is about how you get yourself into a position where you have options so you can find a good woman to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 01:01 PM
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What I'm trying to ask you and I'm not trying to trick you is "If a man is single what's the best way for him to have options?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:32 PM
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https://www.swipestats.io/blog/tinder-statistics if you're interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:11 PM
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So for the purpose of getting into a relationship you should focus more on being nice and less on looks and in your opinion that'll work for most guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:07 PM
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That's really not true. Look at like the big bang theory or any movie with Adam Sandler or Seth Rogan, half of John Hughes movies. Half the other teenage movies from the 80s from revenge of the nerds all the way though to american pie to Superbad. It's super common I could no doubt give you a list of 100 high grossing movies and TV shows from the last 40 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:00 PM
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The blue pill is a very common trope in media and it's pushed a lot. The nerdy nice guy gets the hot girl is super common across films and TV and unfortunately people fall for it. to say "It's not a real thing" is kinda what several of the recent threads have been about on here as it seems like there's been a sudden jump from "Looks don't matter that much" to "Of course they do" which feels like total gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:37 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but that to be seems more like the bluepill is kind of debunked. The blue pill really preaches if that looks don't matter that much outside of not being gross and being kind is paramount. What the red pill teaches is deeply flawed but will certainly work if you're looking for short term dating and hook ups. The bluepill just flat out doesn't work and will end up with guys being alone and bitter after realising the blue pill nonsense was just a giant shit test that they fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:16 AM
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But the question is do looks matter Blue pill) A bit Red pill) Quite a lot Black pill) They're the only thing that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 10:34 AM
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I think the question is about numbers. There's a broad narrative in different pills blue pill = look don't matter anywhere close to as much as being a kind. Red pill = Look matter a lot, but can be over come by increasing status/game. Black pill = Only thing that matters is looks and if you're not attractive it's over before it began. You seem to be arguing that they're all correct but to varying degrees. So go ahead and tell us what you think the percentage break down is? Do you think the major…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:22 AM
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There's a broad narrative in different pills blue pill = look don't matter anywhere close to as much as being a kind. Red pill = Look matter, but can be over come by increasing status/game. Black pill = Only thing that matters is looks and if you're not attractive it's over before it began.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:37 AM
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I think you're not getting my point. I'm arguing that white British school boys aren't murdering school girls because of reading stuff like this forum. I'm then going on to argue that the show adolescene was treated by the left wing government as a propaganda piece to act like school boys are ticking time bombs. My evidence for this is them wanting it played in schools (high school in the UK is 11-16) and the prime minister calling a fictional drama a documentary on 2 occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:41 AM
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Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. It's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:41 PM
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Lord of the flies is also nonsense. And there was a real case of it happening and the boys were great and behaved perfectly until help arrived. "In 1965, six Tongan schoolboys aged between 13 and 16 set sail from Tonga on a stolen fishing boat. They were caught in a storm and ended up shipwrecked on a deserted island called ʻAta, where they survived for more than a year before being rescued by an Australian fisherman, Peter Warner. Unlike in William Golding’s novel, the boys didn’t descend into …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:28 AM
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Only guy I pay to sub to on youtube.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:28 AM
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Do you think squid games should be played in high schools? Do you think squid games should be called a documentary by the prime minister not once but twice? https://apnews.com/article/adolescence-netflix-starmer-social-media-children-smartphones-33b72293c431496e57c2ca16417a379d https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/watch-starmer-claims-adolescence-is-a-documentary/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:25 AM
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I'd say actually being competent is what the goal is as real confidence comes from competence and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:02 AM
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Do you really think white boys from stable two-parent backgrounds in the UK are going around stabbing girls because of social media? If so, can you point to actual cases where this has happened? To me, the show felt like pure fear-mongering. It seemed to suggest that working-class white boys from stable families are being radicalised by generic “red pill” content. That simply isn’t happening — if it were, we’d have seen real evidence of it by now. Instead, the programme played more like a Labour…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:55 AM
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This is nonsense. The reason why women are "choosing" not to have children or get married is because they don't have a way to do it that works. They still desire it. It's like saying "people are choosing to rent rather then buy homes" when it's a matter that they can no longer afford to buy on an average income. A 2024 Pew Research Center survey found that among Americans aged 18 to 34 who have never been married, 69% still desire to marry eventually, 23% are uncertain, and 8% do not wish to mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:24 AM
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Then arrogance by that measure is still a fantastic way to get girls short term. Remember that episode of the Simpsons where Jimbo is dating that girl Bart likes because he's a "bad boy" then Bart does a prank on Moe and Moe threatens Jimbo and Jimbo starts crying and the girl ditches him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:23 AM
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Women aren't dating each other any more than men are. It's just more women SAY they're bi than men. As TRP often says "don't listen to what they say, watch what they do" https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Proportion-of-bisexual-women-and-men-classified-as-past-year-behaviorally-bisexual-A_fig1_271938241
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:02 AM
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Having a girlfriend is very different to having a wife who you have kids with. Any girlfriend I've had have absolutely been replaceable and if a much better option came along I more than likey would have. My wife however can't be replaced by anyone. You can't swap out what we've built together, the depth of the relationship and certainly not the relationship we have with our children. It'd be like swapping out a sibling, it just doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:57 AM
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Which country?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:22 AM
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Since the pill people have been having an average of 2-3 kids. People who have kids are still having 2-3 kids. The declining birth rate is due to an increase in the number of childless people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:58 PM
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No look at the stats. People who have kids are still having the normal 2-3 kids. It's a huge spike in the number of people having 0 kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:47 AM
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Right but in terms of norms, the vast majority of people don't want to see their partner with another person engaging in simulated sex in public. Its like declaring yourself polyamerous, it's going to be a huge turn off at least in terms of commitment for the vast majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:31 AM
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Because men actually try and understand. It's not that men want to or are better it's that they have to learn if they want to get anywhere with women. Men have to learn how to communicate with women and they have to put a significant amount of effort into it. That's not the case for women. Women don't have to learn so they see differences as faults rather than something they need to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:28 AM
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They're the 2 with the biggest push though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:24 AM
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Fair enough. I don't think I'd be interested in dating again if something happened with my wife. But I can understand why a lot of guys pick the red pill when they realise the blue pill gets them ignored and walked over.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:56 PM
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It's not over exaggerated at all. It's like male and female strength. Are some women stronger than some men? Absolutely. But the average man has about 3 x the upper body strenth of a woman. There are feminine men and masculine women but it would be silly to suggest that means they aren't wired differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:30 PM
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I agree but for a lot of guys it's either be completely invisible or be attractive to the kind of women you probably don't want to commit to. If you're starving and your only option is McDonald's then McDonald's tends to look like a pretty good option. Problem is once you realise you can get McDonald's whenever you want, you realise it's not something that you should live on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:26 PM
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It shows that most bi people swipe right on just one gender. There could be quite a few reasons for that. Yeah like they're only interested in one sex. If I saw someone only swipe on one sex I'd assume it's because that's what they're interested in. shows bi women are less likely to have bisexual sexual history compared to bi men Right and woman have an easier time dating than men and yet have a huge number difference while mens it's about the same as their stated preference. If the woman aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:01 AM
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Here's 2 data sets https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/07/26/bisexuality-and-dating-on-okcupid/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Shows most Bi people are either gay or straight https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Proportion-of-bisexual-women-and-men-classified-as-past-year-behaviorally-bisexual-A_fig1_271938241 Shows while a lot of women say they're bi they don't have female partners and exclusively date men while men tend to be honest. A lot of BI women are either just gay or straight when you loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:06 AM
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TRP trains you to attract a certain type of women. It's like going fishing and using bait for a specific type of fish and then claiming "The sea only contains one kind of fish as that's the only type of fish I catch"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:28 AM
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Well I certainly wouldn't want my wife doing it and I wouldn't want to do that either. I believe sex is special and exclusivity is valuable and I'm not going to share that with anyone else, let alone the whole world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:22 AM
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That the differences between men and women are faults. If you want an example, look at therapy. Men don't generally do well with it and don't enjoy it. Men tend to feel bad because they have a issue and can't find a good solution or feel paralyzed by which way to go because every road seems bad. Men aren't faulty because they want actionable advise and a clear path rather than just to emotionally unload like women do. This is why women say "men are bad listeners" because you come to us with a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:19 AM
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I'm not sure about changed my mind but it's really shown me how much both sexes but in particular women really struggle with true empathy. What I mean by that is, men look at womens issues and think they're being empathetic by looking at womens issues as "what would I do if I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body" rather than understanding men and women are different. Women are even worse at this than men as they seem to think men are just faulty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:23 AM
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My point is that some films and tv shows are designed as titillation. We al know what skinimax meant and we all know why magic mike is popular and we all know why certain sex scenes exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:28 AM
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Yeah I'm absolutely sure everyone watches magic Mike for the plot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:03 AM
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Sorry I'm not being random you said if she thinks shes pretty or prettier than you,even if its in her head, then she wont like the rejection at all. So I'm just asking for context. Like did the more attractive ones react much worse than the average looking ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:16 PM
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Men do cheat at the same rate and in those cases I absolutely support the woman getting priority in the divorce. I think it's absolutely disgusting to vow to do really basic things like not fuck other women when you have a family. I think it's equally disgusting when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 04:04 PM
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How did they go?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:40 PM
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It bears no difference to the wellbeing of the children who the partner fucks Yes it does children do much better with both biological parents. she could still end up with the same abusive guy. She could but the dad would be the main parent and have more control and the incentive to cheat is less if you lose the house. it makes zero sense to take who cheated into account in terms of what's best for the children after divorce Except it does when you think and zoom out. People respond to incentive…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 02:16 PM
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Men do that too especially men who actively want to take on the role after their wife left them. They should be granted equal treatment and the fact the other party cheated should be taken into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 11:14 AM
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Where are you getting this abandon your child thing. Let's say my wife leaves me for another man and I move into a house across the road and have my kids 50% of the time. How is that abondoning my children? My argument is why should the person who cheated not be the person who is forced to move.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 10:12 AM
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No I've argued asset division should go to the non cheating party. If the man cheats the women should get priority and if the woman cheats the man should get priority. The well being of the children would not be effected by the children living with their father. Children raised by single dad's have better outcomes than single mothers and they have significantly less risk of physical and sexual abuse by the womans boyfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:23 AM
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And how many times have you done that and I don't mean in your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:10 AM
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Go find the bit where I said he gets to abandon his kids. I've not made that argument. You're arguing with something you've made up in your head. My argument is simple. The person who breaks their vows shouldnt get priority in how assets are divided. If you allow people who cheat to get priority when assets are divided you create a perverse insensitive. So why do you support a system that does that when if makes society worse as marriage is good for society as that makes marriage worse and it al…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:07 AM
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Why? Height tends not to matter to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:57 AM
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But that's going to be the same for any attractive public figure. I don't see why that means they should do porn/graphic sex scenes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:48 AM
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If you're a very attractive woman or guy who works in a bank you're likey to have people fantasise about you. Doesn't mean that you should fuck a bunch of people for money and then post it on the Internet for everyone to see. You can't control what other people do but you can control what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:20 AM
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If I got 100 random men I bet you could accurately rank them from least attractive to most attractive with very little difficulty despite not being sexually attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:16 AM
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Are you saying that attractive women and going to have guys jerk off to them no matter what so they might as well degrade themselves by doing gang bangs on camera?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:12 AM
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Conservatives tend to be people who do well and thus assume other people can do it too. They believe in individualism because they don't need others. Liberals tend to have struggles and so want others to help them and so belive in more collectivist politics. The left is attractive to the mentally ill because they demand more support and the right is popular because it says you get to keep what you earn.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:10 AM
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No I'm saying The Man wants to keep the house and look after his children and not have his cheating wife look after them with a strange man who's statistically 100 times more likey than him to sexually abuse them but the courts will force him out of the house and force him to keep paying the mortgage. It should be the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:05 AM
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Where did I say the guy should abandon his children? I'm simply saying that he's going to have to support them from a horrible apartment while his cheating wife lives in the house he's paying for. Why do you support cheating women getting the house and the kids rather than the man who stuck to his vows?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 09:15 PM
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I've not argued that at all. My argument is you shouldnt be booted out of your house because your wife started fucking her boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 10:27 AM
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Yes he should do what he can for his kids. This issue here is low order vs high order thinking. Low order thinking = kids need support so take it from the father even if the wife cheats and it'll leave him destitute. High order thinking = When men see the level of injustice you inflict on them you'll have no men willing to be fathers. When you incentivise negitive behaviours like rewarding cheating you encourage people to stop playing the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:20 AM
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So what he should stay in the house with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:48 PM
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What should a man do if his wife is cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 12:37 PM
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No what I'm saying is that if a woman cheats and it's a 50/50 relationship the guy will be left ruined. My argument is against the original post saying it's men's fault for not going for 50 50 relationships when they get screwed in divorce. It doesn't matter if you marry a woman on the same economic level. If she decides to break her vows and you do nothing wrong then the man will face absolute ruin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:20 AM
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I've given you the legal details and the stats. I'm not just going to repeat it. It's the majority of cases at least here in the UK that the woman gets to stay in the family home until the youngest child turns 18. That means if she cheats the man gets kicked out and is still liable for the mortgage because where you live has no impact on the loan you took out Obviously you can not pay but that means you'll never be able to buy a property again after defaulting and your investment that you saved …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 06:31 AM
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No I'm referring to my original post. You can be in a 50/50 relationship with a woman. Buy a house together. Spend all your savings on a deposit. Have a kid. She cheats. She'll keep the house for 18 years while you have to find somewhere to rent because you'll never get the capital to buy again. And you'll be fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:33 AM
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it's easier to answer more genuinely and openly without stigma in those studies in comparison to conservative women No I think like most left wingers you put the cart before the horse. People who are mentally ill are attracted to the left. People on the adhd subreddit are more likey to have adhd because that's where other adhd people are. Same with the left. Abortion is morally acceptable to me. No child should have to grow up in a struggle environment I grew up in a struggle environment. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:19 AM
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Right so if you have a new born it's 18 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 05:12 AM
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No it's not they've agreed. It's that the primary parent which is defaulted to the mother gets to stay in the family home until the kids are 18. You can't force her to sell/leave until the kids are 18. If you want a longer answer A Mesher order is a court order used in divorce or civil partnership dissolution cases that allows the sale of the family home to be delayed until a specific event or time occurs. This type of order is often used when one party, usually the parent with primary care of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:06 PM
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Go read my edit. You can't just sell your half of the house from under your family in the vast majority of cases. If you have kids, you're screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:55 AM
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Living is the home or not doesn't make it so you are no longer liable for the mortgage. If you don't pay you'll default and you'll be fucked. See my edit which show why you'll be prob have to keep paying your mortgage if you want any kind of credit until your kids are 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:00 AM
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Do you think that's what happens? Here's how it goes. Man and woman with 2 kids both make the same amount of money and work the exact same hours. Women meets someone new. Women wants a divorce. Woman gets the house, the car, and the kids at least until both kids are 18. Man now can't get a new house as single income and house prices are much higher than they were. Man also has to pay child support. man also has to move further away because he can't afford the nice area on a single income. man is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:46 AM
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It's this just what happens with bankruptcy? Like we got rid of debtor's prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:59 AM
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If I didn't care I wouldn't ask. Why are you being so defensive on soneone else's behalf on a debate sub? You're acting like a weird incel white knight. Go m'lady some other sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 03:47 PM
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Because the first guy tried to fuck her friends and the second guy didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:34 PM
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I'll wait for her answer thx.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:33 PM
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No I think she has much higher standards than him when it comes to cleaning and unfortunately the person with the higher standards tends to lose out when people live together. It's a common compatibility issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:54 AM
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Let's say I love cooking and my girlfriend doesn't. She makes basic stuff and I make complex stuff. We move in together and when she cooks I complain it's not up to my standards so I always cook. I then complain "before we moved in together she's always cook at her apartment and now she never cooks" Is that a reasonable complaint?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:34 AM
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Because different people have different levels of clean. There's a difference between keeping a place kinda tidy and clean and keeping it spotless. It's always going to be an issue when one person wants the place spotless as the other person isn't going to see the point. She's said even though he knows you like things clean Which to me indicates she likes things spotless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:52 AM
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this cope is on par with obese women with horrid personalities that say "Men are just intimidated by me"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:43 AM
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Yes. As I said, he stopped doing all household chores. my question here is about if you have a very high standard of clean and he had a pretty low standard of clean then why would you think when you move in together that would change. You can't expect him to start doing everything to your standard and if that's the only standard you accept, it wouldn't be surprising that he stops. Why does this read like you're taking sides? I'm not trying to take sides, I'm trying to understand. If your pets do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:37 AM
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Can you explain in detail why? That seems like a huge double standard so I think everyone would love to hear your logic since you started the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:49 AM
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with the first guy did you look at the state of his apartment before you moved in with him and did you look at it and think "That's how Clean I expect my our apartment to be?" Did he already have the pets when you moved in together and do you expect him to take his pets out with him whenever he leave the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:46 AM
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A 2020 Pew study shows 56% of liberal women aged 18–29 (white) have been diagnosed with a mental health condition, versus 27% among conservative women. The 2024 American Family Survey found only 12% of liberal women aged 18–40 felt "completely satisfied" with life, compared to 37% of conservative women. A 2022 report cited by the New York Post indicates 45% of liberals report poor mental health, while just 19% of conservatives do. Overall research indicates conservative women have higher marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 04:24 AM
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RP guys are typically right wing. BP guys are typically left wing. Incels are also typically left wing (if you want the data I'll post it for you) Do you think conservative men find left wing women attractive? What's attractive about obesity, mental illness, entitlement, abortion, divorce, misandy and degenerate sexual behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:05 AM
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Everyone should pick better. Women don't get an exemption. If a guy marries a women who'd obviously a gold digger or a whore I'd tell him he's a fucking idiot. If a woman gets pregnant by some guy who's unwilling to show he's committed I'll call her a fucking idiot. If there's an obvious way to mitigate risk and you refuse to do it then it's your fault. Listen to the wisdom of the hundreds of generations before you and be careful who you have kids with and who you marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:46 AM
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I'm not blaming women. I'm saying something very simple. Bad men exist. Women should avoid getting pregnant by bad men. Bad men avoid marriage because it means consequences for being bad. Women should thus only have children with men who are willing to marry them. This has been common sense for thousands of years. the best way to vet men is to demand they commit the best version of that commitment is marriage. I'm not saying men good and women bad and I'm not saying women good and men bad. I'm s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 09:16 AM
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Cool story bro. Keep excusing shitty women by blaming men. That’s gonna help everyone. Good to see you're out of arguments. Here's your L.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 08:38 AM
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https://dads4kids.org.au/fathers-the-daddy-gap/ If I get a woman pregnant and she decides she doesn't like me any more and moves in with her family or another guy on the other side of the county have I abandoned my kid? Of course not. there's lots of cases where the woman just doesn't want the guy around and there's lots of tools she can use to keep him away from moving to false accusations that mean the guy can't see his kid for months on end. Your link shows nothing about abandonment and certa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 08:16 AM
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Which really translates as "Be attractive and don't sperg out". Even attractive guys get in their own way when talking to women and just kill the vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:34 AM
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No it comes from paternity testing providers. yes in those cases paternity is disputed which is why they're doing them in the first place but that's the same with unmarried people though out history. In real life (now for the 3rd time) it’s long term couples and even marriages where the guy abandons his family. Show me the stats for married men who abandon their families. We know 70% of divorces are initiated by women so that's the vast majority of women kicking out the father and we know almost…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:23 AM
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Because men have on idea if they're the father if you're single. £0% of paternity tests come back that men are not the father. If a guy historically sleeps with a single women and she says "it's yours" he has no idea if she's telling the truth, she could be banging 100 dudes a day. marriage is an attempt to solve the issue of paternity. Men take responsibility by getting married. you can't expect a guy to look after you because you slept with him because you could be a slut. You can't just bang …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:01 AM
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No children are dependent on parents. If you're a women and you choose to become a parent it's not other mens responsibility as they have their own families to provide for. It's only because the modern world has such excess that social safety nets exist. Before that your social safety net was your family and if you want a man to be part of your family and take care of you then you got married. across history 10% of women have not had kids, 5% because of fertility issues and 5% out of choice. you…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:48 AM
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No it's for women so their child isn't a bastard. How exactly do you think a woman with a new born is going to do without a provider before social safety nets?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:18 AM
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But you likey support abortion for any reason so your opinion is invalid
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:16 AM
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Again why should a guy accept a child from a woman who isn't his wife historically? Have you seen maury? You know the "you are not the father" show? Yeah woman whore around and guys aren't going to accept you just saying "it's yours" That's why bastards exist. It's children of unknown fathers because their mother's were fucking around. You can't just be like "we had sex so it must be yours" when men have no idea who else you're fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:15 AM
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I'm not sure where you're getting this from. You know that right wingers are more attractive than left wingers right? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29355104/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:11 AM
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Wtf are you talking about. Where do you think these guys are getting all this magic money from on a single income with child care responsibilities and costs? I know 2 single dad's both are piss poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:45 PM
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Again don't get pregnant with men you're not married to. If you have the right to kill that guys kid he has the right to abandon it. I take accountability. I married my wife and have 2 kids. If you want kids get married. The whole idea of marriage is to protect women when they have kids so their kids aren't bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:44 PM
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No men built everything for their families not for pussy. If men lived for a chance with the opposite sex half of young men wouldn't be checked out of dating. She's only a bitch if she's not giving it to you. No I've dated several women who had high sex drives but were just a pain to be around. I'd rather be single than deal with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:23 PM
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Let's look at the stats on kids from single mothers vs single fathers or the stats on single mothers vs both patents at home. Oh look you're completely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:05 PM
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It's men's fault you fucked a guy who didn't tell you his name? Accountablity really is kriptonite to you isn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:03 PM
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So all guys who are single are losers? That's definitely not true. Yes being in a good relationship is better than being single but being single is way better than being in a relationship with a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:03 PM
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Yes they were children of unmarried women. That's what a bastard child is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:59 AM
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Yeah you can't complain about men abandoning kids they don't want when women mass murder the kids they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:30 AM
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At a way lower rate. It wasn't socially acceptable to do so in a time where public pressure mattered and post that it's women taking kids away from their partners or having kids with men who explicitly don't want them. Men can be responsible. They get married. Why can't women be responsible and only have kids when they are married.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:29 AM
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Right so like I said it's old people who had more more rigorous gender roles. Maybe your right and 90 year olds have this attitude but I've never experienced it and it'd be of zero consequence if I did. I'd probably feel as patronised as you would if someone gave you a pat on the head for having a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:27 AM
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If it isn't intrinsically tied why is it so common?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:24 AM
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Again these are often kids men wouldn't want that's why I've said don't have kids with men you're not married to. If you can kill our kid we can at least abondon it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:23 AM
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There were 912,360 abortions in the USA last year. Yes men abandon unwanted pregnancies but women murder their own unwanted offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:26 AM
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If you watch The Wizard of Oz, are you complicit in the abuse Judy Garland endured? If you watch Nickelodeon, are you complicit in the abuse of its child actors? Hollywood and the music industry are full of horrors — and everyone knows much of it is still happening today. you can't just say there's been abuse of kids in the music and film industry in the 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s 2000, 2010s but I'm sure it's not happening today. No one is that naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:24 AM
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It's not a matter of liking your kids or not it's a matter that they've not chosen to be parents. Like I said don't have kids with men you're not married to. This system solved the issue in every culture for thousands of years. Don't get knocked up by some guy who isn't willing to invest in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:17 AM
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I'm a father of 2 and never once have I got praise from anyone for looking after my kids. There's this weird myth that We go to the park and everyone claps. It's never ever happened and I've no idea where you get this idea from. Maybe it's something old ladies say or something? also the fact that there are so many more children who grow up fatherless compared to growing up motherless says a lot about fathers too. Yeah women shouldn't have kids with men they're not married too and if they do get …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:04 AM
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not really, being a good father = being an average mom No you just simply don't understand the role fathers play. Maybe you didn't have one. A mom is a mom and a dad is a dad. It's not the same role. The role the father plays is incredibly valuable and we can see this by simply looking at what happens with faithlessness as it's universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:56 AM
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Ah, Sorry I misunderstood. Yeah It's very similar to MGTOW. It's people who rather than doing a cost-benefit analysis, they just look at the costs to justify their bitterness. Half of this sub read the story of the fox and the grapes and think the fox is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:51 AM
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Sorry what exactly am I believing? My statement is pretty simple. You feel a closer bond with children than you do with any other relationship. We know this is true because of what people are willing to sacrifice for their kids vs what people are willing to sacrifice for any other relationship. My second point is that your relationships are the most important part of your life. This is also true. Life would be meaningless with out other people. Social isolation drives people insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:46 AM
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Tell me anything I said that you think the average mother would disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:43 AM
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If you’ve had kids and actually wanted them, you’ll know—it’s the deepest, most rewarding bond you can have. If that’s not for you, no problem. In fact, if you’re not into the idea, I’d say don’t do it—kids are more work than you can possibly grasp until you have them. But claiming they have “no benefits” is nonsense. Relationships are the most important part of life, and kids are more likey than any other relationship to be the best one you’ll ever experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:55 AM
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Both. Things like him preferring women etc show blue pill traits aka "sneeky fucker" traits. He's the typical wolf in sheep's clothing that is the pro sex work feminist aka usually a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:32 AM
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Much more so than blue pill. Remember as red pill the idea is to "enjoy the decline" what that means is there's a bunch of easy women so put yourself in the situation where she'll be easy with you. Blue pill is about pretending to be nice to get girls. In evo psychology it's called the "sneaky fucker hypothesis" So redpill = pretend to be Chad so girls looking for ons pick you. Bluepill = pretend to be nice so girls trust you then use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:29 AM
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And some women are sluts. Doesn't disprove the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:52 AM
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Men don't like being emotionally vulnerable with people and when they are, they're highly selective. Women don't like being sexuality vulnerable with people and when they are they're very selective. They opposite is also true for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:51 AM
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Getting cheated on doesn't make you a cuck. Letting your girlfriend fuck other guys does.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:48 AM
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It's not 65% of women don't want marriage or kids. it's a 2024 Pew Research Center survey found that among Americans aged 18 to 34 who have never been married, 69% still desire to marry eventually, 23% are uncertain, and 8% do not wish to marry . In the same age group, 64% of women without children express no desire to have kids, compared to 50% of men. The vast majority of women would still like to get married and have kids as shown here https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:21 AM
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That's literally what it is. Some guys get off over watching or hearing about their partner sleeping with other men. It's called a cuck fetish, they're cucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:08 AM
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All entirely true and reasonable and you're correct in your feelings and actions. The only note I'd have is that on your second point while you're correct, it's kind of missing that men are very selective with who we find attractive in terms of emotional openness where women tend to be the opposite way around. Which also in part would explain how men feel more slighted by physical cheating and women by emotional affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:57 AM
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I'm not saying that women find red pill men appealing. I'm saying that lying asshole (bluepill) is worse than honest asshole (redpill) which is still way worse than honest decent guy (like your boyfriend.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:54 AM
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I used to work in gay night clubs and I'm not gay. It was validating to get complimented and hit on. It also was unwanted and made me feel uncomfortable a lot of the time. Something can be mostly bad with a bit of good. I'd much rather have not got hit on at all by men but there was a level of validation I felt by being hit on. So while the validation is nice it simply comes at too much of a high cost and I'm a big guy so I wasn't physically threatened in any way, so I'd assume it's much worse f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:51 AM
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This is why Women are learning that the bluepill guys are even worse than the redpill guys. At least redpill guys are honest about being degenerates and don't pretend to be moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:36 AM
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If its unconditional love then why are dog pounds overloaded so much they have to put down the dogs and cats?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:03 PM
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Animals have conditions too. If I start to find my wife too annoying or expensive I don't get to kill her. People do that to pets all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:25 PM
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He's awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:25 AM
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You've just not thought about what pets provide. When you do, you realise it's very conditional. When they don't provide the following people have them put down or give them to shelters. Emotional support & companionship Reduce feelings of loneliness Offer unconditional affection and loyalty Provide a sense of purpose, especially for people living alone Mental health benefits Lower stress and anxiety (stroking a pet can reduce cortisol) Improve mood by triggering “feel-good” hormones like oxytoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:48 AM
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Men aren't collectivist, women are. When you say "A small percentage of men having multiple concubines" it really means and what we can see from DNA testing is it means about the top third of men. Yes it benefits the bottom 2 thirds but they had no power. Now here’s the catch if women need men to raise their kids then it is also in men’s interest to raise their kids. Women need men with excess resources. If a man only has enough to feed himself then what good is he to a women and a baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:27 AM
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Any man who is or has been considered attractive will tell you that women treat you very differently. In my early to mid-20s, I was in that “attractive” category for several years, and the contrast was striking — night and day. Women went from treating me with suspicion and avoidance to greeting me warmly and even introducing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:22 AM
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If men don't have assured paternity they have zero incentive to care for women at their most vulnerable. Again it's for women as the alternative was being a single mother with no social care. Christianity was the religion of women and slaves for a reason. It's not for the rich powerful men who'd much rather have multiple concubines.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:08 PM
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Nah men have 4 for women Keepers - marriage material Sleepers - short term dating Sweepers - girls you'd sleep with but not want to be seen with Nopes - girls too unattractive even if she's asking to come over and blow you while you're drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 09:00 AM
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But a 300lb women with a contoured nose and hair extensions is way more attractive right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:58 AM
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Ok so next time someone without kids asks me about kids rather than making a joke about how one's decided he can't go anywhere without his stuffed dinosaur which he keeps misplacing, I Should tell them that it's most most important set of relationships possible and without it life would feel hollow and I feel like people without kids are missing out on the most valuable relationship it's possible to have and that relationships are what make life worth living? Do you understand how weird it'd be …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:17 AM
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By using the Socratic method. What do you think about men who are struggling with dating? Why do you think men are checking out of dating? Why do you think women are struggling to find husbands? What do you think about the growing animosity between the sexes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:10 AM
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I'm not arguing it didn't. I'm arguing marriage exists to protect women. It's what women want because it means protections for them around pregnancy. It's women effectively saying "I'll only have sex with you if you take responsibility for the consequences."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:20 AM
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It's funny because the single guys I know are of the shared opinion that they have no interest in living with women again because of this Indian giver thing women do. It's very easy to live alone and girlfriends have a tendency to do things for you that you don't want them to do then they act like you're mistreating them because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:28 PM
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No I laid out the science of why mum is more effective. It's like saying I'm more effective of doing heavy lifting than my wife because I do it more when it's because I'm a 6'4 and male. Do you understand that you're putting the kart before the horse? You're also not understanding the work that goes into being a dad when you have a new born. Not only are you looking after and covering the chores while doing what you can with the baby in most cases (people who have kids still have typically 2-3 k…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 09:21 AM
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Or men cheat because their wife/girlfriend stops being nice to them and starts treating them like shit. Then some other girl comes along and is nice to them and the stark contrast is appealing. It's exactly the same with women. They get tired of being mistreated then some other guy is nice and attentive and they find themselves more drawn to them than their distant husband/boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:43 AM
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mum will sooth the baby back to sleep 10 times quicker than dad. Breastfeeding releases hormones that relax baby and settle them. Baby also knows the smell of mum that's why if my wife went away I'd keep her pjs and use them so he could smell her but it's still no where close to as effective. Also in most cases at least in europe mum gets a lot of time of work, like I said my wife took a year off for each of our kids while I was still up at 5am every day to go to work while my wife was not only …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:39 AM
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Nope. Go look at the Romans and Christianity. It was the religion of women and slaves because it was anti mistreatment and pro marriage. Marriage exists to protect women. Women having sex outside of marriage was and often still is a disaster for women. We know where brothels were by the graves of dead infants. Pregnancy is the enforcement for no sex outside of marriage. Marriage is the technology woman use to prevent being fucked over by pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:33 AM
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Overnight is short term. It's one night. Dude I have 2 kids and I did all of that. It doesn't change the fact that infants want their mothers much more than they want their fathers. It's not until between 1-2 years old they really give a shit about dad. 2 months paid is what you mean and 3 years unpaid. Yeah I have a mortgage to pay. and I can't do that if we're both off work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:08 AM
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Babies can do short term novelty but they'll want mum back very quickly. No employer is paying men 3 years off work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:24 PM
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If you don't think kids are glued to their mother's for at minimum the first 6 months you're clearly childless and thus have 0 real idea about what parenting really means. 2 months off isn't a year and during that 2 months your job as the dad isn't to look after the baby. It's to look after everything else in the house and other kids and your wife so she can look after the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 04:35 PM
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It is fictional but it's also a satire of people's experiences of having children that's relatable because it's a common experience. I think a lot of people have kids not realising just how all encompassing it is. Also kids under 1 have basically 0 interest in their dads and are practically glued to their mother's. Many women including my wife take long periods of time off work (my wife took a year per child) while I didn't get that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 03:19 PM
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Just to be clear I agree with the 50:50 thing. What I meant was on a joint income woman expect to be doing as well as their parents not on a single income. Maybe it's the case when you have more child focused dads they want to stop at 2 and when you have less child focused dads women want to stop at 2. For the pop culture reference of what I've seen it's exactly like this https://www.tiktok.com/@foxteltv/video/7452673641256422661?lang=en
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 01:16 PM
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It no doubt differs from women to women but in my opinion I'd say a man they find attractive who matches up to their father. By that I mean a man able to supply them with a similar level of financial freedom their parents had. I don't think many women, after working so hard to achieve degrees and careers want to face a considerably lower living standard than their mother's who likey didn't have degrees and careers. Obviously this is just my opinion and I have 0 evidence for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:15 AM
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It's worth doing a deeper dive into the stats. It's not that people are having fewer children, it's that a lot of women are having 0 children and dragging the stats down. The reason for that is complex but it's mostly not meeting a suitable man. For the most part women who have met a guy who is suitable to have children with still want the typical 2-3 kids where I think men don't want more than 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:10 AM
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I live in the UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 05:39 AM
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The office lady is a model and and actress. She's cosplaying as a salary woman for a shoot. https://x.com/kawausosuki0513 I'm sure some guys do have an Asian fetish where they like women just for being Asian but to say "and nothing else" is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:27 AM
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Anecdotal too but I'm a parent so most people I now know are parents and I see the exact opposite. The women want more kids and the men are saying no because it's so much work and the expense is too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:46 AM
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I don't think guys expect you to be more interested in them but you have to show some interest. If you show us zero interest then it's much better to go for a different girl who shows some interest. It's like sales. Cold calling is really hard while if someone is making inquiries it's a lot easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:11 AM
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No it assumes that trying to negotiate attraction is a fools errand. You're going to have much better luck if you go for women who show an interest in you rather than trying to get a women who isn't interested in you to become interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:23 AM
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This seems like classic survivorship bias. You're looking at the men who are still going because the ones who gave given up just don't interact. You're looking at the small number of men who huff and puff and make a scene rather than the very large numbers that just quietly walk away. I know a bunch of guys that have given up on the idea of committed relationships. The vast majority of women would like to get married and have children if they are able to find a guy who who meets their standards.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:41 AM
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Well fortunately my now wife and I were friends at the time and she'd listen to me moan about my life. I really didn't care about her sleeping around as I'd already broken up with her, it was more just crazy how she attempted to manipulate me into moving to a terrible location after I'd told her I don't want to see her again and while she was sleeping around. Anyway I hope it answered your question about how crap relationships with women can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:32 AM
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My dad got a terminal cancer when I was in my early 20s and my mum left in my mid teens so he was really my only support structure. During that time I dated 3 different women. Each of them had 0 sympathy and it was very obvious they didn't want to hear about it and treated the fact, I had to go see him like I was ignoring them to watch football or something. I also dated a girl with BPD. There was a load of lies and manipulation but last and kind of funniest was after I broke up with her she kep…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:11 AM
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I'm in the UK and it's not really true. Women out earn men up to the age of 35 then after that never married women out earn never married men. Which just means women chose to drop their wage and prioritise children and men tend to take less enjoyable but higher paying work after having kids. It's not sexism it's just differences in choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:50 AM
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If that's what you've decided then fair enough. I think people shouldn't be persuaded to do something they don't want to when it comes to relationships as it's advising them to likey make someone else unhappy as they obviously aren't into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:28 AM
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This is what I've been trying to communicate on here. Both sexes feel like they've been replaced. You don't need protection or provision and men don't need a house keeper as tech has made living alone super easy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:22 AM
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You shouldn't do it for women but you should probably try to make more of an effort. Doing what your doing is okay in your 20s but you should be trying to get yourself in a better position in your 30s. I absolutely understand why you feel that way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:23 AM
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But you're not being paid less for the same work. You're going into different jobs that have lower pay. That's you refusing to take responsibly for your choices. Why are women not responsible for earning less by picking philosophy over engineering at university?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 08:46 AM
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Woman can wear whatever they want to. All I'd say is that it's unfortunate that guys with little to zero impulse control exist and they're doing themselves no favours in not attracting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:24 PM
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I've been on a hike up a mountain with my golden retriever, I'm just putting my youngest down for a nap then I'm going to cook Sunday dinner. Keep coping though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:29 PM
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I'm not going to take lectures from the person arguing in bad faith. Go fuck yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:21 PM
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No once again you just do a mott and Bailey nonsense. I just gave you 2 points and you refuse to address them. If men try to release an app doing the same thing as Tea you'd find it unacceptable. You're just the taliban for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:22 AM
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The tailban are your opposite number. They believe in only the masculine and you believe in only the feminine. The tailban don't think women should be allowed to have women's spaces. You don't believe in mens spaces and campaign against them. The taliban belive every form of dress outside of the burka is a provocation that means the women is at fault if she's sexually assaulted. You belive that no matter how provocatively you dress men can never so much as look at you without permission (we see …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:00 AM
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If men still desired relationships they'd make changes and get in them. Men obviously don't desire relationships because they are unwilling to so much as try talking to women. Men want relationships in the same way I'd like to be a billionaire. It'd be nice but I don't care I'm not and I'm not going to make it my ambition to be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 04:34 PM
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Well maybe you should start a new campaign of "don't believe all women" or "most men aren't trash" or "it's okay to speak to women" That'd be accountably for bad previous behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:54 PM
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It's not a matter of lacking and need so much as it is a symbiotic relationship that benefits both parties. As those benefits fade as they have been doing for a long time but drastically so in the past 10-20 years then what's left is desire. This is why I think hedonism and lack of commitment is coming from. You don't have to like it but there's not a single object you can see in front of you that you can't guess the value of with some level of accuracy. It's just part of human nature to put a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:46 PM
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The vast majority of women would like to get married and have children if they are able to find a guy who who meets their standards. If women are unable to do this (a predicted 45% by 2030) would you say that "women get to have their cake (fuck a damn-near-perfect specimen who won't commit to them for 10 years or so) and simultaneously eat it too (train an average guy on her level to commit to her first chance she gives him like her little dancing monkey)." is true considering the gap between wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:42 AM
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Well that's kinda sad but on the plus side they're clearly deranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:04 AM
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Can you expand on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:25 AM
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But men never really needed marriage to have sex outside of sex work which is paying a woman who doesn't want to have sex with you to have sex with you, which most men find gross. You absolutely had to get married to have sex until contraception and abortion became available.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:20 AM
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But you do bring one thing he wants (sex) and a bunch of other things he might not want or need. the problem is women bring increasingly little to the table. Mostly because of tech but also because of this terrible attitude of "I'm not your therapist" and rambling about "emotional labour". If the only thing of value you bring is sex then he'll be interested in you for a while but if it's just hedonistic then as with all hedonists they'll seek variety. As OP said “why but the cow when the milk is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:16 AM
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Yeah that's the completely rational but incredibly unfortunate conclusion that more and more people are going to come up with. There's a doom loop of people who feel like they're going to be screwed over so either don't engage or engage only for hedonism which just makes the doom loop continue to spiral down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:05 AM
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I think that's about as naive as people who think communism is a good idea because "if we just share everything everyone will work really hard and everyone will be equally rich" People pair up and have committed relationships because the other person is valuable to you in several different ways. The more ways you remove the value they offer you the less you're going to commit. People don't hire people in roles that require a high degree of responsibility because they're fun to be around, likeabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:49 AM
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I'm not saying women lack the ability to get men to sleep with them. I'm saying women increasingly lack the ability to get the guy they want to commit. Of course guys are going to be trying to sling dick but that's not the same as getting a guy to marry you. You can see it in the number of women who'd like to get married VS the number of women who are getting married and the complaint after complaint about how guys are leaving them in these "situationships" or men being unwilling to commit. Men …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:31 AM
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Go to a nightclub and people watch. Woman will get mad if a guy they deem below them tries to hit on them It's because they feel like that guy hitting on them makes them look bad. It's definitely not a status symbol, it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 04:28 AM
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I've literally given you the sources at the top of each one. Feel free to check.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 04:23 AM
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No you're just describing attractive/ high status people vs un attractive/ low status people. Having a woman who looks like a pig is an embarrassment not a status signal. Having a broke ugly dude is not a status symbol. Having attractive people is a status simble especially for men and having a billionaire on your arm is definitely a status signal for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:35 PM
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So now you just plainly pull Numbers out of your ass? Funny way to admit you're wrong. IChemE Data for 2015 Graduates A survey of chemical engineering graduates (2015 cohort) reported: 19% pursued further study. In comparison, civil engineering had 5%, mechanical and electrical engineering each had 8% advancing to further study within six months of graduating . So, excluding chemical engineering, core disciplines like mechanical and electrical sit near 8%. That’s where the 8–9% figure comes from…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:32 PM
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Which is a percentage of a percentage. It breaks down Chemical engineering: ~19% in further study Civil engineering: 5% Mechanical engineering: 8% Electrical engineering: 8% So it's 26% of like 10%. That's still a tiny number vs the men. Thus irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 11:43 AM
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No you think 50% doesn't include engineers and I think it does. You've provided no evidence it doesn't. It's simply an unknown due to it being poorly worded. I'm happy to accept it's an unknown and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 11:06 AM
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https://www.engineeringuk.com/research-and-insights/our-research-and-evaluation-reports/engineering-in-higher-education-infographic/ I missed the c
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 11:04 AM
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https://www.engineeringuk.com/research-and-insights/our-research-and-evaluation-reports/engineering-in-higher-education-infographi It's 18.5%. the quotas are all 30-50% what's over double for each.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:00 AM
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You're argument is that they don't count. My argument is that they do. I'm willing to just say fine they don't and show you specific examples where they directly reference women in engineering so move on from that argument. If you have no retort then that's fine, convo over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:54 AM
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Ok you're wrong but for arguments sake I'll drop that one Arup (Engineering & Design Consultancy) – UK Target: 40% women in engineering and design roles by 2030. Current Progress: As of their latest Inclusion Report, they’re just over 30%. Actions: Inclusive hiring practices, support networks, targeted outreach. Schneider Electric (Energy & Automation) Target: 50% of new hires in STEM roles to be women by 2025. Actions: Launched “Women in Engineering” and “Go Green” programs to attract female te…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:06 AM
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does "Across their whole workforce" include engineers? Yes clearly is engineering graduates are 90% male and 10% female can you get to 40% female engineers without choosing less qualified women than men Obviously not. does that mean you're handing those jobs to women? Yes obviously as they are less skilled. That's it. End of conversation. Do you have anything else to add? Some evidence or a new argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:33 AM
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100%. The difference is that women have been finding it increasingly easy to live without men since the 70s where as this is all quite new for men. The house management stuff was always "womens work" now it's the job of tech. Providing was mens job now women are providing for themselves. The question increasingly becomes "What is the point of you?" you see more and more articles and comments here saying stuff like "your girlfriend isn't your therapist" or talking about the emotional labour of be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:19 AM
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https://www.bhp.com/careers/inclusion-diversity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:14 AM
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I think it's more to do with men simply no longer feeling like relationships offer them anything. Household management as a single, childless man is incredibly easy you have porn, online gaming, access to pretty much all media ever to exist, online banking, billing, shopping, groceries, washing machines, dishwashers, roombas, it's cheaper to replace than repair and now AI makes things even easier. To me this has ruined women's ability to negotiate in a relationship, the same way women having the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:51 AM
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It says they want 50% of engineers to be female. Only 10% of engineers are female. I've shown you the math. There's nothing left to argue about. Spell out your case for me. What precisely is it you are arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:48 AM
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Everyone sees high status people as status symbols. That's what being high status means. It's why women like men who are tall, rich and powerful and yes why men like hot women. By being selected by a high status person it makes you look high status. Everyone is playing a status game, you can't solve it. It's as part of us as any other part of our psychology. There's no fixing these things. You can't reengineer humans to stop caring about their social position.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:27 AM
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Sorry but I'm done. If you can't read it's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:19 AM
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I've worked in incredibly shit warehouses. No rapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:19 AM
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It says including engineers. Do you not have reading comprehension? If I said "all the products at our supermarket are organic including our chickens" that means the chickens are organic. Same thing for engineers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:30 PM
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Yeah it's just sour grapes across the board. The problem is it's very hard to argue with someone who says "I tried and failed, what would you have me do? Why shouldn't I just give in and cope?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:44 PM
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Why do you think you go your entire lives without those things happening? Do you think if you were dropped in the Congo right now that wouldn't happen? Do you not realise that all your safety relys on men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:44 AM
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No your reading comprehension just sucks. 50/50 gender balance across all employees by 2025. Progress: Over 40% of new hires in tech roles are women. Arup (Engineering Consultancy) Target: 40% women in engineering and design roles by 2030.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 11:39 AM
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if a guy has 2D waifu he is ridiculed and called a loser. If a girl goons over some vampire-werewolf, men have to be better to compete, what? The view is that men would only do that because he can't get a women and women would only do that because men don't meet their standards. I think reality is closer to a lot of men think women are asking too much of them so are choosing to not engage (think gen Z quiet quitting underpaid positions) and women frustrated with not being able to get what she ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:46 AM
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🔧 Companies That Have Set Gender Targets or Quotas in Engineering or Tech: Intel Initiative: "Diversity in Technology" campaign. Target: Achieved full representation of women and underrepresented minorities in their U.S. workforce by 2020. Approach: Included diversity hiring goals, including in engineering roles, with bonuses tied to diversity achievements. Siemens Target: Aims for 25% women in top management by 2025. Engineering-specific Action: Their “Siemens Female Engineering Academy” suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 08:50 AM
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Thats still not how quotas work That is exactly how quotas work. And still many more women have degrees. Right and women are over represented in the areas where the degrees they obtain are relevant. It's roughly equal the % of men doing engineering (about 85%) to women doing education (about 90%) that fact "more women get degrees" doesn't mean you should expect to see 50% of women hired in engineering just like you shouldn't expect to see 50% of men working in education.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:38 AM
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Because men and women are different and choose different paths because of it. let's break it down. lets say 80% of people who choose to go into primary school teaching are women and 20% are men. Schools want people in the top 50% of candidates. If you enforce quotas so that men have equal representation then you're going to have to hire all the men no matter how terrible they are and skip over 40% of women. About 50% of the 20 men hired would be less qualified than the least-qualified woman who …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 06:30 AM
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So it's handing someone a position. You asked, I explained. You see this all over like the move away from blind auditions because men were still over represented. Literally just saying that the person who plays the best has to hand it over because he has the wrong genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 04:27 AM
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No there's boardroom quotas and you can't have an all male panel as it's now a sexist manal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:58 PM
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That they literally have to hand it over to a woman even if she's unqualified? It's literally giving someone something they don't deserve. If they deserved it then they wouldn't need quotas. They exist to exclude the most deserving.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:55 PM
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Hiring quotas.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:27 PM
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Nope. It's a huge issue. As it is in Germany and the Netherlands where prostitution is more legal and there's significant issues here in the UK as it's semi legal. I know people who work in the industry in the UK and they're very open about how much sketcky shit happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:16 PM
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Porn is legal and full of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 08:50 AM
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Do you mean just about to start their internship or now fully qualified?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:53 AM
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You hear things like I've got plenty of options in (insert undeveloped country) cool. I've got plenty of options there, too, as my single wage has the same effect as yours. I don't think most women want to be the sole bread winner for some deeply sexist, social conservative guy from like Thailand. Guys like the idea of having a housewife I don't really think women like the idea of having a house husband that thinks women should do all the cooking and cleaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:48 AM
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Do you think they consider it a flex? If I buy goods from china because they're cheaper it's not a flex but I'm happy I got a product I want for a price I can afford. I don't really see it any differently as someone who makes a decent wage for the US but just about good in New York moving to a poorer state with their savings and being way more successful and wealthy there to up their ability to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:58 AM
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Why is simping seen as devaluing to men? Because you're giving away something of value. you can try and argue that purity Shouldn't be something men value, but it is. Men can argue women shouldn't be attracted to height or money, but they are. You don't get to pick what other people find attractive. You can't conversion therapy us. This stuff is all hard wired. Exclusivity has value at every level and that obviously includes sex and relationships. "I can get the girl who no other guy could" has …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:21 AM
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Oh no a barely batch cook much any more and if I do it's just for like my lunches (I eat a lot). Like you say it's too much if you have a family (though prob still a good idea). That's kind of the issue I'm talking about. It's so easy to live on your own now that if you have that kind of independent mindset then I can really see why people are following theredpill and stuff. People used to have a lot of kids when kids were useful because they could work on the farm and they were like your retire…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 12:01 PM
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You guys have a new thing each week! All you fucking do is go on about it. ✅ Feminist sex strike Women collectively withholding sex from men to protest patriarchal injustices or push for social change — echoing the ancient Greek play Lysistrata but applied to modern causes like abortion rights or anti-violence campaigns. ✅ 4B Movement A radical South Korean feminist movement (“No Dating, No Sex, No Marriage, No Childbirth with men”) rejecting relationships with men as a form of protest against m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:06 AM
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Marriage is about joining your finances. You shouldn't look at is as "I earn X and my partner earns Y" it's "We earn Z". It's you both put what you can into the pot and you use that to pay for things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:00 AM
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Most people are not capable smart human beings. If your only positive attribute is being attractive should I just ignore it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:53 AM
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You misunderstand me. You do these chores because you have automatic machines to do them. I'm afraid I'm still not getting you. Yes I could manage a house on my own because of tech. That was my whole point. Are you making all your meals in a slow cooker? Do you eat the same thing every night? I'd use the slow cooker a lot at least for a while with most recipes. No so I'd make like 6 portions so like one week I'd do a big trey of lasagna and the next day Thai green curry but I'd only eat what I b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:31 AM
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It's free delivery off peak times. It doesn't take hours unless you're standing in the kitchen staring at your slow cooker and that means I have my dinners sorted for the week and then I'll cook other stuff fresh. You could do these chores yourself, I don't understand how I'm not? Because I use a dishwasher? Should I hand wash my bedding too?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:40 PM
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It doesn’t mean that nobody needs to clean or cook because tech can do it. I mean kinda. Like You can just have shopping delivered and it's not a huge chore to batch cook like I always did when I lived on my own then you just throw everything in the dish washer. I don't even have to sweep up as I have an off brand roomba. Maybe it's like a fitness thing but I'm 40 and every guy I know can cook and enjoys it. It's just not really an issue any more as it's simple, you can watch youtube or like now…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:20 PM
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Well with gender roles there were specific "I bring this to the table and you bring this to the table" now women bring what men brought and tech brings what women brought. theredpill analysis of this is there's a poor return on investment when it comes to long term dating or marriage. If you just want to hang out with people for fun not to build something then why limit yourself to one person when there's lots of fun people out there. I'm married and I don't agree with their analysis but I see w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:37 PM
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I don't see how they're mutually exclusive? All I'm trying say that if you're looking for someone to build something with not just someone who'd fun to hang out with then they need to have complimentary skills/attributes. If they don't then why marry them as they're just someone you like hanging out with not someone to help you achieve your shared goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:21 PM
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I'm not saying women have to cook and clean all the time any more than i'm saying men have to be the sole breadwinners trying not to fall of a skyscraper. What I'm saying is that in order to have a decent life then men needed women and women needed men. It was incredibly difficult for women to provide for themselves and it was incredibly difficult for a man to manage a house with out a wife. This reality has been getting less and less, generation by generation. We're now at the point where women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:46 AM
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I don't think it's a matter of desperation, it's more men and women had sets of skills that the other sex valued. Relationships at least marriages are because you each bring a set of valuable things to the table on top of loving each other. Just liking someone isn't going to make them a good husband. People aren't cats, you don't just sign over half your life because some ones fun to sit on the sofa with. The point of marriage is to work with someone you love and together you build a better life…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:13 AM
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The Redpill argument isn't that they don't want more traditional relationships. It's that they're increasingly hard to come by and increasingly less valuable and more risky, while casual sex is increasingly easy to come by, if you're moderately attractive and willing to put in the effort. The issue with trad relationship is that 1) It's very hard to be the sole bread winner for a family today. 2) There's not many women who want to just be a housewife for life. 3) The value of a housewife is gett…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:03 AM
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The grapes are a metaphor for desires/goals. The thing to do when you struggle to reach your goals is to either workout an alternative solution or reassess your goals if they're unrealistic. It's not to say that your goals were actually bad and stop trying. That's not a good path to go down. You're choosing to be bitter rather than improving. Copes are bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:00 AM
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If you don't see what's wrong with it you need to understand the fox and the grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:16 AM
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If women are really attracted to men based on their intelligence then the most intelligent person in the world must be a sapiosexuals wet dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:56 PM
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So it's a cope. You're not really choosing to stop dating. You're being forced to stop dating by being unable to attract the right person. If your only choice is between a bad relationship and no relationship I get "taking control" by picking no relationship but you're only doing it because you lack the option of a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:50 PM
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It's not a binary choice. You might as well be asking Would you rather a guy be rich but dog dick ugly or homeless but hot. There's a whole area in the middle that's much more attractive than either extream and they make up the larger percentage of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:49 AM
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Ask most women, and they will tell you that older women are more attractive because we know ourselves and what we want. This is why children aren't allowed to grade their own homework. What you think men should find attractive has absolutely nothing to do with what men do find attractive. Women don't get to choose what men find attractive anymore than men get to decide what women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:35 AM
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I did move on. I'm not mad at her for embarrassing herself by being a dick. My point is sometimes women will call a dude doing nothing creepy a creep. It was my first day doing that shit job and I was nervous as it meant approaching every single person in the club. I get why she thought I was some very awkward guy trying to hit on her friends, as that's exactly what it'd look like. I'll even steal man the opposing argument and tell you I did it for a year 3 nights a week that that's the only tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:55 PM
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They can be recognized by how obsessed they are with youth and age. I mean you accused me of this because I accept the reality that younger people are more physically attractive than older people. I get what you mean though. But I'd say that's more guys who view women as sex objects rather than people. They're likey pretty easy to filter out as they're going to be unwilling to commit. I'd be surprised if many married men act like this as it'd be incredibly stupid to marry if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 06:12 PM
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like some people here in the comments You're probably talking about men who are young and have never been in a relationship. 2 things can be true at the same time. Women in their 20s are objectively more attractive than women in their 40s but the women you're in love with is more attractive to you than anyone. a lot of older women yes I really don't think that's true. I remember in primary school the girls loved him and now I've never heard a woman my age saying he's attractive. Remember he used…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:43 PM
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So in your mind if a 20 year old man who isn't attracted to 40 year old women, marries a 20 year old women then he won't be attracted to his wife when she's 40? Yeah, because they are women. Men's age preferences do not change over time. They remain the same as they were in their youth. please. You think women who had pictures of prince William on their wall find him just as attractive now he's bald and kinda looks like shit? I've taken decent care of myself and female attention from women of al…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:19 PM
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most guys who complain about how they were called a creep for "no reason at all" were probably leaving something out. I got called a creep for doing my job at a bar in front of a group of women. The lady that did it apologised when she realised I was just a member of staff doing my job but they do it all the time. Working in bars is pretty blackpilling especially if you have a lot of time to just people watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:56 AM
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That happens to everyone. I used to get quite a bit of attention from women in my mid twenties but now I'm 40 no one gives a shit. That doesn't mean that they're only attracted to guys in their 20s and will only ever be attracted to guys in their 20s. It just mean that's when you're the most notably attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:38 AM
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No and if when they get to know more about you and find you're a decent person they go from just finding you attractive to wanting to build something with you. It works like this. Guy sees attractive girl Guy gets to know her If she's a good person he wants to build a relationship. If she's not he'll dump her or bang her for a while. It still relys on the initial attraction to start the process, attraction is the foot in the door of relationships. I've known my wife since our early 20s and we're…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 04:30 AM
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You wouldn't have to convince them of anything just remove contraception. Once sex becomes consequential then people will have sex with people who demonstrate commitment. High smv men won't be able to sleep around so will have to commit removing them from the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:48 PM
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I don't think it's a matter that looks are men's primary concern but the more attractive you are the more likey they will want to know more about you. I can't imagine many people not wanting to be more attractive as it gives you better options and people treat you better. I was a late bloomer and had a huge glow up when I was 19/20 and my options and the difference in how women interacted with me was night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:27 PM
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Okay but let's say you're just looking at averages do you think 21 year old women have higher Smv than 31 year old women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:12 PM
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So what percentage of the 10% of men in your age group would you say that you match with and how would you say that compared to the experience of the average guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:13 AM
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Smv allows you to attract more people which gives you more options. Do you think if you had your glow up at 21 rather than 30 you would have had a higher Smv than you did at 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:19 AM
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So go for those guys on dating apps? You'll probably have a 50% match rate. How is that worse than what men deal with?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:14 AM
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Don't base your view on women on the women here. Would you want women as a whole to judge men based on the guys here. Reddit is a magnet for crazy and this place is a magnet for crazy people. Most people, normal people don't talk like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 06:52 PM
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What percentage of men do you have 0 attraction towards?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:04 PM
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Why is it so important he's also into fish? Like if he's happy to have an aquarium in the house does it matter how interested he is in it? My wife likes cats, so we have a cat. I feel pretty indifferent towards cats. It seems to work pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:05 PM
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Considered that but like 50% of rust players are unemployed so maybe not given the rest of the stats I think 50/50 is pretty good. I guess you could hang around aquariums or the fish bit in pet shops and flirt with tall guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:39 PM
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Well if you drop having to be into 1 specific game and maybe just a guy who's okay with having fish even if he's not super into it then you'll prob have a shot. I guess it just depends on what you're willing to be flexible on. Or you could just flirt with every guy who plays rust and see how that goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:33 PM
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Well that likely drops it down to about 1-2 guys in Aus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:29 PM
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So dating is hard for you because you're hyper selective? there's what 100,000 people who play rust then you also want them to be into fish and about 7% of Americans have pet fish and you want him to be tall and have a big dick that's maybe top 20% height and big dick 20% and you want him to be dominant about 35% if we're talking big 5 personality traits. There are about 165 million males in the U.S., with about 125 million adults. Assume you're dating in the 18–45 range: roughly 60 million men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:23 PM
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Any guy who's had a "glow up" will tell you this is not true. I was a late bloomer and had a glow up in my late teens and despite my personality getting worse if anything. Suddenly women went from shutting me down if I tried to talking to them, to actively engaging with me. The halo effect is very real.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:53 PM
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I didn't argue that. I think it's a good thing that if a person is into running or javelin or whatever that they should get a first place ribbon or something if they win on sports day. I think that's a nice token that represents the hard work they put in and that meant they beat the rest of the school/their year group. You can obviously disagree if you want but if I took a sport seriously at school and got the same ribbon as everyone else I'd feel like there was no real point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:48 PM
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Can you describe exactly why it feels like that? It sounds to me more like your hungry and there's a bunch of junk food options but nothing very good meanwhile guys are starving to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:44 PM
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The point can be to have fun and also to reward the people who win. Competing is fun, that's why online games are so popular. They'd be less popular if they didn't keep score and you never got to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:30 PM
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Are you sure that's the case? I've heard of competitiveness being scorned at school sports days etc
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:11 PM
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Well it does because we're talking about everyone being rewarded for showing up as much as they are for doing well. What's the point in working hard for a trophy if everyone gets one is the same mentality as what's the point in working hard when I just get paid the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:12 AM
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Thats already the case. I had to tell my roommate to stop pushing herself because it was affecting her health. No matter how hard she worked, those 40 hours pay the same wage. Which means she has an awful employer. A good employer rewards good behaviour, it makes people more productive and gives them a pathway to advancement. This is why people are anti participation trophies and the abolishment of AP classes. equity just demoralises people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:48 AM
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If you're willing to do everything you can to be a good wife and he's doing everything he can to be a good husband then you're doing nothing wrong. The idea of a marriage is a partnership where you both try your best for each other. The reason marriages fail so much is people don't want to do anything but expect the other person to keep delivering.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:45 AM
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It's not a matter that participation trophies are all bad, it's a matter that if you don't reward excellence then no one tries to be excellent. If you get paid the same no matter how hard you work and how often you stay late then the incentive is to work just hard enough to not get fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:11 AM
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Oh well if you don't live in a westen nation then you'll likey find it much easier to find commitment because men aren't punished for commitment like they are in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:06 AM
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Is marrying up exploitative/greedy No. The issue I see you facing is the same issue a lot of women are facing, which is what's the high earning guys incentive to sign over his resources to you? If he's able to make a womens life easy, he's going to be highly desirable and so why would that guy want to get married? My wife and I have an equal relationship, so divorce would really be mutually assured destruction. But if you have a high earning guy and a low earning women, then divorce massively be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:03 AM
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Can anyone explain to me the point of onlyfans? What do you get for your money? Why can't you just use free sites? What makes it good value for money to be spending that much money?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:06 AM
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I'm saying that she's clear proof women can happily pair up with less hot men. Are you saying her SMV has gone up or remained the same by getting much older and being divorced to Tom fucking Brady? you think guys want to date that guys ex wife? She could very easily get a man just as attractive as Tom A model maybe but not someone with Toms SMV as almost no guy in the world has his SMV. Your lack of understanding my rebuttal isn't my problem your rebuttal is an anecdote about an aging model. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:03 AM
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What am I supposed to be explaining? Their relationship failed and she found a new guy? Are you arguing she could have picked any other guy on Bradies level after she divorced him but chose that guy above them? It seems to me like the relationship failed and now she's had to level down because she's older. Older women have less ability to get very high SMV guys than younger women, plus she's already no doubt got a very decent payout for the divorce. I really don't understand your argument here a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:44 AM
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I don't think it's extraordinary to say when people get used to a certain standard of anything it hurts then to have to lower it. From food, to housing, to income, to health, to your car etc etc. If you get used to having access to better than average even if it's just a rental you're going to feel it when you have to drop to mediocre. to me it seems like you'd have to provide evidence that for some magical reason that doesn't exist in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:16 AM
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Maybe they don't want men in their changing rooms, Or they don't want young girls to be transed because they're struggling with their sexuality or are autistic or have suffered sexual abuse. or don't think abortion up til birth is a good thing or maybe they don't want child traffickers in their country or maybe they don't want the high crimes rates or maybe they don't want rapists crossing the border unchecked and being moved into their town though the refugee resettlement program. Maybe it's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:11 AM
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had a major glow up after I turned 30 Do you think if you had said glow up when you were 20 and just stuck with it, your SMV would have gone up or down between 21 and whatever age you are now? I think what TRP argues is that your potential highest SMV exists for women in their early 20s. You can obviously squander it then have a glow up later and thus have a higher SMV at 35 than 25 but you could have had a much higher SMV at 25 than 35 if you really put in the effort at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:00 AM
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When I was at uni, I worked in nightclubs selling photo keyrings. On my first day I nervously approached a group of girls to ask them if they wanted one. Their friend returned from the bar with drinks and very loudly asked her friends "Who's this creep" When she realised the situation, she apologised profusely. It always made me think how much that would have stung if I was trying to approach them. It definitely put me off the idea of cold approaching groups of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:59 AM
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That's called marriage and it's got legal enforcement. All you're arguing is is that you expect him to prove his loyalty by signing away half his stuff and having to go though a very expensive divorce but you're unwilling to prove your loyalty by taking a dna test? Marriage is the social technology to prevent men lying to women about not mistreating them/abandoning them when they have children. We now have a new technology that prevents women from lying to men about who impregnated them. When yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 05:03 AM
1

How are you defining commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:34 PM
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You think no one has behaved like that and still cheated? People do it every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 04:53 AM
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How? Give me an examples. How can anyone know for sure that someone isn't going to betray them when there's 0 punishment for betrayal but if they get away with it they get 18 years of free labour and a huge amount of money?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:53 PM
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I don't know. I guess couples would have to discuss that themselves. Personally I wouldn't do it or accept it as my wife and I agreed to "forsaking all others" and "in sickness and in health" I think the only time it's acceptable to end a marriage/cheat if if your partner complely steps over the lines of their vows. That'd be things like serious abuse, abandonment, cheating, loss of affection, becoming a drunk/drug addict or gambling you into ruin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:48 PM
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What important thing can you prove when you're just dating? Are you going to sign him over your house?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:41 PM
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I worked in clubs and bars while at Uni and I can tell you for a fact women take rejection way worse than guys. yes you'll get the rare guy who gets pissed off but almost every women gets upset if a guy rejects her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:55 AM
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No. But if you were to say "if your partner refuses all kinds of affection" I'd say perhaps as that's really a breach of their vows. You can still maintain a sex life without PIV, It's not great but you can do it and your partner is making an effort and it's a medical condition that prevents them from having PIV then that's absolutely not an excuse to fuck other men/women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:46 AM
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What actions are better than DNA evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:37 AM
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If I was a liar I wouldn’t be able to build trust w someone Sounds like something a liar would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:59 PM
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The issue is that liars say they're trustworthy too. Con artists don't tell you they're con artists. They are called con artists because they create confidence that you can trust them and then they rob you. If you want to be trusted then prove it and say "I want you to never doubt my fidelity so I'll do a dna test"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:33 PM
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If trust was enough marriage wouldn't exist. Are you not going to marry your partner before you get pregnant because you trust him not to abandon you and leave you holding the baby with no recourse for support?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:13 PM
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It changed for a lot of reasons and yes including pop culture that made it cool for the sexes to shit on each other and profit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:38 PM
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Well things are changing increasingly rapidly. The political division is growing year on year and marriage rate and birth rates are dropping off a cliff. Western nations are slowly following the path of South Korea. That's a pretty big change.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 11:16 AM
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They'll listen to it in the same way they listened to WAP. It'll just exist in the zeitgeist and men will once again collectively roll their eyes, take a sip of coffee and say "Women"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:39 AM
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Fortunately they're typically not the men women see as desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:37 AM
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Good. The more open they are with their toxic shit the more men will wake up to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:55 AM
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So a women sends a message to the world that men suck. Men respond and say "I'd prefer if you stopped this crap" and you're response is that it's mens fault? Dignified rebuttals to sexism are now "furthering the gender war".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:54 AM
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There's no such thing as an attractive involuntary celibate person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:41 AM
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Well I'm married and my wife and I both bring a lot to the table so it's not an issue. I certainly wouldn't marry a women who said I have to do everything because she has sex with me. You don't have to, someone else will Going by the stats on the percentage of women who want to get married and have kids VS the number of women who are getting married and having kids, you're wrong. Stats for desire to get married and have kids https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx number of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:39 AM
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Sex, love, attention, intimacy, emotional labour Every man and women offers these things to each other. They're default. What Special things are you bringing to the table that means you deserve special treatment? Why am I paying for everything on top of doing everything for you that you do for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:41 AM
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I’m carrying a baby for him and he still doesn’t trust me? How does he know it's his baby other than "just trust me bro?" If you want marriage before children is that because you don't trust your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:25 AM
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Today, people remain in relationships because they choose to, not because they have to. Do they? Try buying a house or having kids on a single income. If the old point of marriage was men needing women to run the home and women needing men for money than all we've done is used tech to run the home and now we both need each other for money. Yes you can survive on your own easier now but if you want what our parents or grand parents had you still need to find someone and work together to achieve i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:09 AM
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It's pretty simple. Attractive and nice = price charming Unattractive and nice = friendzone attractive and misogynistic = Bad boy unattractive and misogynistic = Incel Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:04 AM
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I've explained this 1000 times now. Guys don't want to marry you if they ask you out when you're 20 and you reject him and instead choose to be in situationships with attractive but not secure guys. We don't want to be your back up plan because you couldn't secure the guy you're attracted to. We see that as you just being attracted to what we can provide not who we are. If you read though the thread about why guys on here got married despite their dislike of marriage it's because their girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:27 AM
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If there was a national DNA database and every child that was born was put on there and matched to their parents that'd solve both issues right? Like you'd see that your husband is on the DNA database with 2 other kids that aren't yours. Would you be happy with that as a solution to both issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:18 AM
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The act of marriage is an act of proving trust. It's saying "If I break my vows you can take all my stuff" There's no such thing for paternity fraud. Marriage exists because women rightly don't trust men to leave them holding the baby because a guy saying "Just trust me babe" isn't enough. That's all DNA tests are. They're men saying "just trust me bro" isn't enough in the case of 18 years of times and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:48 AM
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The largest study on non paternal parents was done in Sweden though tests of blood samples in their systems. Turns out about 1 in 50 men are not the father. If 1 in 50 babies were being mixed up by hospitals they'd be a better system put in place. It doesn't mean you hate the Drs or the Nurse's. It's just no one wants to raise a child that isn't their own unless they know before hand and are actively making that choice. There's nothing wrong with someone saying that "just trust me" isn't enough.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:41 AM
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I should stop being shallow because I like my wife's personality? I just told you we were friends for years. I wasn't trying to get in her pants. She was just someone fun to talk to I don't understand how me not caring about how much money she makes means I'm shallow. You honestly sound like an insane person. You should show this thread to your husband so he knows how completely deranged you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:29 PM
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Why do you you think that's what they want? A series of normal relationships is preferable we just don't want any felons or find out you used to suck a guys dick for weed or used to be into group sex or something else gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:14 PM
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You say that like it's a fact. Women are struggling to get married or find a partner to have children with. It's not going great for either sex. The ability to get men to use you for sex isn't some cure to loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:11 PM
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Pretty much everything you've guessed about my relationship is wrong. My wife is way more career focused than I am. We both had multiple relationships. We were friends for years and it was her that choose me. She's a year younger than me so I didn't go for youth. As I've said in previous threads about my wife I'm not worried about her taking half of anything as without her I probably wouldn't have anything as we built everything together. The point I'm making is very simple. If women choose to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:34 PM
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Women don't get to decide their own value anymore than men get to decide theirs. It's not up to you or me to decide what other people find repulsive. The reality is that most men when they find out a woman has allowed herself to be used by loads of guys they don't want to commit. You probably would feel similar to a guy who regularly used hookers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:17 PM
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Do you think these short term, non monogamous, situationships are good for women? https://digitalcommons.memphis.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3220&context=etd
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:36 PM
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It's not up to me to decide I'm redeemable or not. Honestly I wasn't really expecting to get married and have kids because of my poor choices. I was very lucky to have met my wife. I doubt many people would be as lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:21 PM
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You're right however this proves the number of people wanting kids hasn't really changed https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:19 PM
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Correct. My life kinda fell apart in my early 20s and I made a bunch of stupid decisions and got into relationships with women I should have avoided and I knew at the time I should have avoided. I made bad decisions. I wish I didn't. I wouldn't make those choices again, they made my life worse. I'd advise other people not to make the decisions I regret.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:03 PM
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Lucky for me my wife and I are in the sweet spot but we'll have to see what the stats end up like for millenials.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:56 PM
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Everyone should do what you're doing and working to better themselves while looking for someone similar to work together with. I'm sorry that the dating market is such a mess, it's just as bad for women as for men just in very different ways. I'm surprised with the number of men I know personally who could be in relationships but just avoid it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:54 PM
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It sounds like you have a very nervous attachment style and you should work on it as its not just the way you are it's a problem to solve.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:46 PM
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No having relationships and building things together is good. Hedonism is bad. Goes both ways. Read my posts I argue against men doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:42 PM
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Men are. They're just not taking responsibility for anyone else. That's what checking out is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:41 PM
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Because women are selecting to be used as sex toys by attractive men though their 20s average guys are checking out. They're asking themselves "Why should I have to spend a decade working hard to get what a hot guy gets for just existing"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:27 PM
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I've never argued that. You should both invest in each of your careers and both support your partner at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 01:00 PM
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The 84% came from women already thinking about motherhood and financially able to choose staying at home. Where's your evidence for this? I went though the data using chatgpt and grok and that's not what it said. It was offered to users of both forbes women and the bump and the bump has less than 10% of the traffic of forbes women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:59 PM
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They shouldn't be. I'm explaining why men are checking out not that women should date checked out guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:57 PM
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how do you know your appreciation will last whe she’s no longer beautiful and young? She's already not young and I love her more than ever. Not only do I find her as attractive as ever I have an ever increasing amount of admiration for what she does for me and our kids. I get relationships fail but most relationships don't or at least not first marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:56 PM
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I agree and I think nothing is going to stop women from fucking around while they build there careers then ask themselves "Where have all the good men gone" This is the issue with dating. Too many men are checking out or only working hard to slut it up and too many women are fucking around with guys who aren't interested in working towards something together then trying to wait at the finish line when they're ready to settle down. It's a fucking mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:50 PM
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Why would they “build something with you” when men think it’s all theirs: see every dude who claims everything is his in the divorce and she doesn’t deserve anything. that's not true. Here's a previous quote my me on here. Honestly it's because I trusted my wife more than I've trusted anyone. We'd been friends was 6 years before we dated and we knew each others flaws and issues. She stuck with me when I was at the lowest point of my life and she makes my life better every day. I don't really thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:44 PM
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Correct. I'm sure you've noticed by now I'm not defending men. The guys who do make an effort often find they become very desirable and so choose to fuck different women, rather than commit. Further ruining the dating pool. Was my quote. I don't think men using and degrading women is a good thing. I think it makes women hate men and makes everything worse for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:38 PM
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Men don’t want kids. They don’t have a drive for KIDS. They want sex. Absolutely true for young men. And it's young men making the decisions when men are young. They aren’t building a career for kids, but for sex. And unless some young nubile woman is there dating them in their twenties, they see no point. Because getting a 28 year or 30 year old woman isn’t good enough for them, especially since she dated before them. Correct men aren't willing to work for a decade to maybe have a chance of hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:36 PM
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It was also by Forbes women who you'd assume would feel differently. Also the traffic from the bump is roughly 6-7 million per month while traffic from forbes women is 91 million per month so the vast majority of the data is going to be from forbes not the bump.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:29 PM
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read down, I'm not defending this behaviour. I'm arguing it's the cause for men checking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:20 PM
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I've not argued those things to be true in fact quote the opposite. Show me an increase in women dating much older men when right out of college. I've said women will date for fun in the 20s and date for security in their late 20s/early 30s. Show me an increase in woman not pursuing jobs and careers and just waiting for marriage instead of getting educated and employed I've not said that, in fact I've said women have more interest in pursuing careers than men who are checking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:10 PM
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I didn't say that at all. I'm glad women are building themselves up and I'm sad men aren't. I'm simply saying the reasons why I think that's the case. Namely women are able to date and so enjoy building themselves up while men are only able to do this is they're very attractive and that men are happy with less so our desire to get more is normally for women/our kids. If we don't have women or kids we tend to be okay with not a lot. Much like the Hikikomori, in Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:06 PM
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Is there any specific evidence that'd satisfy you? We could look at rates of singledom in men vs women. We could look at age of marriage, we could look at income rates of men who get married as a trend, we could look at number of sexual partners and see if 20% of men have about 50% of all sexual partners. Tell me the data you want and I'll try and get it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:52 AM
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In the past, all men were settled for. Women married them to have money. I don't think anything has changed it's just now the amount of money has drastically increased. Now women are looking for someone they like. Most of y’all are not likable though. Yeah, I know. That was the point of my maturity crisis post
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:32 AM
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I'm not saying it's a universal truth I'm saying it's an increasing trend. I'd say it's true for the vast majority of my friends and family and aligns with what most men are experiencing and what the stats seem to be showing. I'm also old (40) and it wasn't as bad for my generation as online dating wasn't much of a thing. There's always going to be exceptions and as I've laid out if men are attractive then they can be successful but most women don't view most men as attractive on appearance alon…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:29 AM
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The difference is women are able to date while they have 0 money or status and youth is valuable to men and status and money aren't. That's not the same for men. For an average guys they will have little to no success in dating during this period so they don't see why they should work their ass off from 18-30 to maybe have a chance of being settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:20 AM
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Nope. As I've said women want to date hot guys when they're younger then wait at the finsih line for the successful ones as they get older. This isn't all women obviously but it's an ever growing trend. Women want to date guys based on where they are right now, not on the character traits that make them good partners. I was very lucky with my wife. We'd been friends for about 6 years but both always been in relationships. when she became single she asked me out, much to my surprise as my life wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:17 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/09/12/is-opting-out-the-new-american-dream-for-working-women/ "84% of working women viewed staying home to raise children as a "financial luxury" they aspired to" It's not that women don't want to be mothers it's that they can't find men who can provide them with the ability to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:13 AM
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It's not a matter of not building a life it's a matter of not working really hard for shit you don't need. Men are perfectly happy in their apartments with a big TV. We really don't need much, so if women aren't going to engage then why bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:06 AM
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Why's it bad for me? I'm lucky enough that I'm very tall so managed to be one of the guys women wanted to have flings with and I'm married and my wife and I built everything together. I'm also not redpill. I'm purple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:00 AM
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Sure, it's women saying "We're not willing to do the work to build something with you" and men saying "well then I'm not going to share what I build"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:55 AM
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Yeah it's women wanting to date the hot guy until they're ready to settle down. That means regular guys don't want to be settled for at 30 when the women are finished having their fun. Why kill yourself to be settled for becomes mens view.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:53 AM
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The issue there is while you're building yourself up, you're able to date hot guy's as men want youth and don't care about money/status. Meanwhile you're telling guys to do it while having little to no relationships and maybe you'll get with them If/when they're successful in their late 20s/early 30s. That's just not appealing to guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:51 AM
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Most guys don't become desirable no matter the effort More guys that drop out better your chances are if you try.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:21 AM
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No. Women could choose to date guys based on mens positive traits so young men trying to be successful would get girlfriends and it'd encourage them. The issue is women often want to wait and the finish line and pick a guy who has built something rather than working with him to build something together. This means guys don't want to spend a decade trying to build something or if they do they refuse to commit because no one helped him they just want what he has.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:20 AM
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It's around double for most STIs so you're correct. You can likey add it women are more neurotic as a character trait too and more likey to go to the Drs. It's definitely a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:16 AM
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Men have a maturity crisis. They look at how to be reasonably successful and see it as too much work with too little reward. "Why should I have to work myself half to death to maybe get a girlfriend in a decade when she can just fuck a bunch of hot guys with 0 effort" - guys aged 18-21 So they Peter Pan it, work enough to support themselves and they just hang out, smoke weed, play videogames and watch porn. The guys who do make an effort often find they become very desirable and so choose to fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:12 AM
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That's normally just an incel joke, however they are very anti modern dating with similar criticisms that left wing people have about capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:07 AM
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Everyone else would help a wheelchaired person unto a bus. Yeah I've help people like this. Everyone else also cares about our climate. Nope. I don't care. I do care about pollution but I don't give a fuck about CO2 political tensions I care about my side but I don't give a shit about people who disagree with me, Frankly I think they're trying to ruin everything and they're doing a good job. their closest relatives Sure overall suffering Not really, I'd rather life was better for other people bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:04 AM
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I think it's pretty common for guys to only get tested if they have symptoms or if an ex informs them that they tested positive. Also as your said consequences tend to be much higher for women and the risk per exposure is double for women than it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 09:59 AM
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Reading between the lines, the complaint is typically “hot women won’t sleep with me”, not “women won’t sleep with me” You're wrong with this. William Costello has done the most in depth research into incels and they have very low standards. He believes that's an evolved phycological system that says to avoid high status women as it'd be very high risk and very low reward. there was also a recent study that showed similar in women where women who view themselves as more attractive are more likey…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:40 AM
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The 80/20 rule is 2 different sets of stats. set 1 Is that while men rate women on a normal distribution curve women don't, they rate 80% of men as below average. This is from the OKcupid data and despite what people argue it's never been debunked. set 2 Is 20% of both sexes have about 50% of the casual sex This is from a Springer study off 2000 young people. What TRP is pushing is how to try and be in the top 20% of both of these. In other words how to look good and how to be someone who gets l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:35 AM
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No I want the system where you don't get the same treatment for breaking your vows as your partner breaking their vows. The law should go back to how it was in 1973. In simple terms here my view of marriage. I promise not to act in an unreasonable way in this relationships (cheating, abuse, abandonment etc) under pain of losing half my stuff (if the bread winner) or effective annulment if not the bread winner. the system as it stand is the bread winner (85% male) gets his punishment if the non b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:48 AM
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No a system is what it does. The system is set up to screw over men for the benifit of women. If there was a law that said people orientated jobs should pay double the tax of object orientated jobs that'd be anti women and there an 80/20 split roughly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:55 AM
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No I'm saying in the vast majority of marriages the women is the low earner and primary parent. This means that if she cheats she'll still get given everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:49 PM
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Not true at all. Marriage exists to benifit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:10 AM
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I'm not anti child support I'm anti 50/50 when one of them has broken their vows. It should effectively be anulled.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:10 AM
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That would just be basic child support like in a non married couple. My point is she still gets 50% despite breaking her vows. I don't think it's fair that the guys half of the deal (to support) still remains even if she breaks her agreement to forsake all others. Imo it should annul the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:08 AM
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Getting married before having kids is a social norm. Ask yourself why? It's because before contraception and abortion sex = kids. People got married to have sex with each other as it's the only way a women knew the man wouldn't abandon her or say the child wasn't his. This became socially enforced. Again this is the man proving to the women that he's not going to leave her, cheat on her or mistreat her so it's safe for them to have sex. Men can and should have to prove themselves to women. We no…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:48 PM
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Which used to matter before divorce made everything retarded. There's no enforcement if a women breaks her vows, the guy still has to pay to support her and give her half his stuff and pay for the kids even if she cheats on him. Only the mans vows are enforced in that if he cheats he doesn't get to leave her to the wolves he has to give her his stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:42 PM
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Which would be an absolutely reasonable take if people were getting married at 20 when they both have nothing and building something together. The average age of marriage here in the UK is 34 years old for men. At that point I think that stuff is his stuff as he did it himself. The fact a 34 year old man can get married and have his wife cheat on him and they take what he built working for the last 10-15 years including his pension is fucking gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:30 PM
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I do know a man which did got married, found out his wife was cheating for years, which broke him. For years he was supporting a wife which wasn't fucking with him, but was fucking with another guy. And he gets to give her half of apartment he bought with his work, he gets to pay her allimony, he gets to give her part of his retirement fund, he gets to keep all professional injuries which he acumulated while working and... all is fair and just. This is what I don't get about OPs post. The punish…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:34 AM
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Well I'm guessing he's lost half his pension, savings etc and everything they own will likey be hers as it's the primary residence of the child. As she's a stay at home mother it's likey he'll have to pay alimony. Obviously this isn't great and I'm 100% with you that it's not enough to put people off cheating which means it's not enough for marriage to create enough trust. I'm not sure what people would accept as it's broadly women who've pushed for more liberal marriage rules and I don't pictur…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:44 AM
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I mean if she's a stay and home mother and he's the bread winner the consequence is going to be he losses half his stuff, which is quite a large consequence. I'd rather go to jail for a short period and get to keep everything I'd worked for. I agree that there needs to be greater social consequences for cheaters. This is what Jordan Peterson meant when he said "enforced monogamy" that sent all the feminists into a tail spin as they thought it meant forcing women to marry incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:20 AM
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But they all boil down to security or showing that you're secure. Where does that security comes from? It comes the man being willing to prove it by swearing his loyalty in front of his family, peers and god with legal and/or social enforcement if he breaks his vows. So it's a man PROVING himself loyal so the women can be secure in her trust. This is exactly what paternity tests are. They're saying it's not enough for you to say "just trust me bro" when it comes to raising a child you have to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:54 AM
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This is very much correct it's a market issue. Claiming men feel entitled to a relationship after doing everything they were told they need to do to have a relationship and being annoyed that they can't find anyone is like saying younger generations are entitled because they were told if you study and go to college and get a job and work hard you'll be able to own a home. now they realise home ownership is not very likey for them they're annoyed about it. women are acting like the 75 year old bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:13 AM
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Is it weird that women demand marriage before having kids? It seems to me that marriage is a solution to men abandoning the mother of their children and leaving her broke. Doesn't that mean that marriage is women not trusting men not to abandon them? "Just trust me bro" isn't good enough for women so why should it be good enough for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:06 AM
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"If you don't just take my word for it you don't trust me" Is a great argument against marriage. Women want marriage because they don't trust their partners to not abandon them and leave them broke. Saying "just trust me bro" is not enough to bet your life on. If you disagree with paternity you should disagree with women demanding marriage before having kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:02 AM
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This implies everyone is hyper agentic and it's only though crushing them do they become low agency. This isn't true. A lot of people are very low agency and I don't see an issue with them wanting someone who's very high agency and vice versa. Some women just want to be housewives and not have to deal with the highly competitive and dangerous world. Some men are very driven and are happy to be responsible for these women. Personally it wouldn't be for me, I like high agency women but I've dated …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:28 AM
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This seems very much like "my preferences good, your preferences bad." You say "your ego is too fragile to ever admit fault" but as I understand it in these kind of trad relationships the guy is very high agency and the women is very low agency meaning the guy is taking 100% of responsibility not 0%.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:14 AM
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I would try not to listen too much to AI, but if it is the case that you're significantly below average that's rough and I'm sorry. I don't really agree with you on prostitution as if everything is provided for, why would women fuck men they don't want to fuck? I don't really think sex bots are likey but I think we already have the tech to have a vr/ar girlfriend in the style of "her" and "blade runner 2049" so that's coming very soon if it's not here already. Grok does an unfiltered NSFW boyfri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:32 AM
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I'd say exactly the same about bodymods. They are bad for people long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:13 AM
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People get addicted to tattoos the same way they get addicted to plastic surgeries. And it's not hard to equate them at all. I did it with great ease and to great effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 03:57 PM
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Eating fast food, doing drugs and watching porn all day makes people "happy" does that make it in there best interest to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 09:47 AM
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My question was more about what things do you think you'd change in how you select. An example would be if you want to marry and have kids at the moment you might pick the guy in finance over the broke musician even if you find the latter more attractive. however in a world where money is kind of irrelevant then you might pick more creative types than secure providers. I'm sorry you feel so down about your looks, I hope you can either get over it as an insecurity or looksmaxx your way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 08:12 AM
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I'm not sure what this has to do with my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 08:04 AM
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Did you read my actual post? I explained the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 07:51 PM
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What? I'm saying people who have status and money do better in the dating market than men without status and money. So if you remove status and money things will change. Saying nothing will change is proved wrong by the fact it's already a huge factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 07:34 AM
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That's my point. If you select the musician but break up because he's broke and going nowhere then do you commit to him in my hypothetical?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 04:28 AM
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For that to be true successful people would have to be doing as well as unsuccessful people today in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:39 PM
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I'm always disappointed with women on here. You ask them a basic hypothetical question and they just spaz out. A gigantic upheaval of society would obviously change the dating market but if you judged by the comments you'd think it would change nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:31 PM
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I was actually going to put a point about this in my post. I would have added that commitment would be a whole new issue as men could have a sex bot/vr/ar girlfriends. So if they want a relationship with you it means they're looking for human connection not just banging a bunch of vr people. I thought it might derail it from my question which was supposed to be "tell me about what you think would change" but instead I've got a bunch of "nothing would change and how dare you ask" responces.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:27 PM
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My stance is that we pick people based on what they add to our lives. Like it or not money and status matter. My question is if you remove money and status do you go for different values. Like does the broke musician go up in value while the finance guy drop or are you equally attracted to drive for success?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:20 PM
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Well that's very lucky as I'm 40 and my single friends all talk about how it's an absolute shit show doing online dating today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 06:56 AM
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I'm agnostic on it but I'd guess the truth is closer to what she's saying but I also think there's more to it. It sounds like he was either manipulative as she's describing or he's a lying pussy who couldn't just tell her that he didn't like her anymore. Either way, she's better off without him
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 06:54 AM
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I didn't say there was a lack of people to date. I said there's a lack of people who are worth dating and/or are interested in long term commitment. I'm sure there's a high availability of incels, puas and Peter pans.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:35 PM
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https://marriagefoundation.org.uk/research/divorce-rates-back-to-1970-levels/?utm_source=chatgpt.com This shows rates of divorce drop as rates of marriage decrease with an estimate of 33% for 1st marriages for people who married after 2000. If you don't want to get married that's okay but the stats for 1st marriages are broadly pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:00 PM
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Oh well fair enough. Congratulations on dodging that crazy bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:51 PM
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hoped that making me jealous would cause me to 'get a move on'" Did he say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:18 PM
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I'm in the UK. The average age of marriage is early 30s and people date for several years before that. Also the divorce rate for first marriages is about 35%. It's fine if that's not what you're looking for. I'm just pointing out that people who are more interested in committed relationships are likey to pair up in their late 20s/early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:58 PM
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Well words are cheap and his actions showed the opposite You don't date other people and demand no contact if you want to marry someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:52 PM
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honestly it kinda sounds like he fell out of love with you. I know you're using PUA terms like Dread game/Cold shoulder/Being distant on purpose but that's also just what guys do when they're done with a relationship because they start finding you annoying. It's not always manipulation sometimes it's just loss of affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:44 AM
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I feel like that’s always an option to explore, regardless of age Can you expand on this? to me it seems like the people who are desirable and want committed relationships are going to find each other by their 30s and then that's it, they're out of the game. All you're left with are the people who are either undesirable and/or don't want committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:17 AM
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Men simply ask for too much and offer too little for me to be interested in a relationship. What are men asking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:13 AM
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sorry what does "taking some time apart" mean if you still have to act like you're in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:07 AM
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I'm an older millennial. The apartments I lived in during my 20s are now less affordable now than they were back then and I make way more money. I couldn't afford to buy the house I own for it's current market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:22 AM
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That's not what the information I can see says. 77.0% of all medical administrators are women, while 23.0% are men. https://www.zippia.com/medical-administrator-jobs/demographics/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 05:48 AM
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And again I'm using as a common example administration bloat that's persistent across professions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:30 PM
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And they're doing productive work but in the vast majority of cases men are doing the technical side as in the work and women are doing bloated admin jobs. The reason I brought up healthcare was the giant jump in admin not that women aren't working in the medical field.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 09:11 AM
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It's more a matter that a huge amount of women in the work force work in a massively bloated administration system that's broadly not necessarily while mostly men are doing the actual productive work. See. https://np.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/vvhw38/growth_in_administrators_vs_doctors_in_the_us/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:29 PM
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I don't believe people should be having sex unless they're willing to get pregnant. I don't agree with the idea if you create life by having sex you should have a right to murder it because "it was an accident". It's not a mystery that sex creates life. We know contraption is flawed. You're still consenting to creating life you're just hoping it won't happen because you've lowered the odds. Blaming a guy for getting you pregnant because you decided to let him fuck you is like a guy blaming a boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 06:18 AM
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Sure and it makes sense for men to protect their assets by not getting married. I still think it's sad that people are choosing atomised lives with casual relationships rather than taking a risk
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:32 PM
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I'm pro choice for some of the reasons you listed. Doesn't change the fact almost all abortions are elective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:25 PM
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It's very sad. I hoped that by trying to explain it's also very sad men are avoiding commitment that people might understand but it seems like there's just an ever growing divide.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:59 PM
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Well as soon as I spot the behaviours I'm immediately out. It's not about them being ill it's about behaviours because they're ill. They don't get better. I owe them nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:53 PM
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Well I certainly wouldn't date a woman like that. People are allowed to have standards and since men and women are different it's okay to have different standards. If I have a set of skills I don't need someone with the exact same skill set I need a skill set that compliments my skill set.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:43 PM
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You either have no experience with this or you're lying or you're someone that does it. Everyone that's dealt with people with cluster B personality disorders will tell you it's a nightmare. They don't get better, they just make your life worse. Cry about it all you want. People don't want people in their lives that suck. It's like dealing with drug addicts. Once you've been robbed several times you get them out of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:39 PM
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My compassion is for people who don't act in terrible ways and refuse to change or be held accountable and just say "lol it's my bod", make my country worse and fuck over the benifits system and for women not men in dresses demanding special privileges. Like a lot of people I've ran out of patience and I'm very happy that everyone is running out of patience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:07 PM
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Yeah I don't care. I don't put up with these people. They turn their diagnosis into their personality and use it to excuse a litany of terrible behaviours. I'm not interested in having people like that in my life. 2)Yes thats correct. I'm anti mass migration and against "trans rights" too but I don't go screaming about that either despite 80%of the people in my country agreeing with me in polls.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:01 PM
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1) I don't care what they think. I'm not letting them in my life. I've had enough experiences to know better. 2) Well that's up to them to prove isn't it. I'm not going to stop. 3) I Don't bring this stuff up with people outside of a small number of people who all agree. Yes people love to bring up their mental health issues. They use it as an excuse for terrible behaviours. Much like OP who's like bwaaaa I can't learn how to do basic things. Why am I being judged for it. I'm sure plenty of peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:54 PM
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It's the inability to get a licence. Also I live in Europe it becomes necessary as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:47 PM
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You're right. I know people at work who are mentally ill. I avoid them and where possible I make sure they're not given responsibility because they're the worst. The only consequence of realising mentally ill people suck is that I get to enjoy a life free from mental illness. There's no downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:37 AM
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No this is not my theory vs your fact. This is genes influencing who we vs they don't. You're arguing that every pack mammal on earth has distinct behavioural patterns based on sex apart from us. You're the one suggesting archaeological evidence only pointing one way is a coincidence. You're the one arguing the studies that take one second to Google and review are somehow my job to do for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:26 PM
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So where are you that only old people can drive?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:48 PM
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I've given you evidence. You refuse to accept it. I've gone though twin studies, I've gone though historical toys and toys across cultures. I've gone though infant studies, I've been though what happens if you minimise the socal pressures, I've gone though forced transition and I've told you about primate studies that show exactly the same. I don't know what else you want to see. There's multidisciplinary evidence that only points one way. You're only argument is "that's not good enough" while o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:47 PM
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OK so in the UK it's 17. Where are you that it's 25?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:07 PM
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You're not responding to me you're just saying anything about phycology is flawed. You're right. But there's a shit load of evidence that genetics plays a giant role and 0 evidence it doesn't. I'm not really interested in this argument as it's like dealing with a flat earther or someone who denies evolution (you're literally denying evo psych). It's boring. Think what you want. You obviously don't want to engage with a counter factual. So I'm done.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:05 PM
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You're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:48 PM
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16 year olds can drive in the US. Grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:48 PM
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Do you want to answer my question. You have been pushing a lack of thanks. Tell me what changes you want to see. Can you be specific? I also don't know what you mean exactly by sacrificing. Everything is a sacrifice from working to getting a dog to having a partner. Yes children are work but they are also incredibly rewarding. It seems strange to me that you'd expect people to clap or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:44 PM
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If you're unwilling to do something children do because bwaaaa then what are you going to do when actual adult issues come up? When you fail at basic skills no one is going to trust you with advanced ones. That means you're incompetent and not worth being around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:34 PM
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Right everything I mentioned is just all coincidence it's just total luck. I'm bored of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:28 PM
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I'm sorry but what is your argument here? What thanks do you want exactly? Can you tell me what thanks you think are appropriate for having children. Maybe 3 examples and who you expect you to give you them? Oh, wait, I thought it was “no work” at all? You're misreading what I said. I mean she didn't have to go to work not that having kids isn't work. It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:26 PM
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Depends on them. Anxiety doesn't mean you can't drive and being in a wheelchair doesn't mean you can't do most things. If either just stay home and mope about then I'll call them useless incompetents.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:14 PM
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True. I'm not going to be shamed into accepting mentally ill people into my life. They fucking suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:11 PM
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The traditional sacrifices men made to support their family is to work a job and protect the family (and greater community). These are both tasks that do get respected and also paid real life What has this got to do with life today? You may as well be arguing it's hard to do housework today because modern appliences didn't used to exist. You work your job for free and don’t get money for it? I don't get a penny more for having kids while my wife got paid for 2 years for doing no work. I'd love t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:06 PM
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This is blank slate nonsense and has been entirely debunked. Humans are no different from other animals. We don't pick what we are we just are. This is why you have the identical twin studies which although immoral show that we are who we are by genetics unless there's some severe trauma and why the child abuser Dr Money's experiment failed so badly in attempting to raise a boy as a girl after a botched circumcision. You can see the exact same traits throughout history in cultures that have neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:56 PM
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This really doesn't fit reality. I don't know what rewards you're talking about. I have kids I've not seen any rewards from it. Frankly no one gives a fuck I have kids other than my wife and my kids. My wife however has had a load (2 years) of paid time off and now gets to work from home and is part of local mums groups while dads groups don't exist. I certainly can't relate at all to what you're saying. Who exactly is it you think is giving us all this stuff and where can I apply? All I'm sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:25 PM
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You risk getting hurt when you try to do things from change of job to approaching a girl or taking up a hobby. All I'm hearing is "if I don't try, I can never fail"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:13 PM
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How am I being hypocritical because I don't want to date mentally ill people? I tried it, it made my life hell. And yes I wouldn't date a disabled person. I'm very outdoorsy and don't want date a person in a wheelchair.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:52 PM
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I'm not guilting anyone. I'm not saying they must or they have to. I'm saying it's sad that a lack of willingness to try means they'll miss out on the relationships which are going to be the deepest most meaningful relationships you can have. If they don't want to that's fine but it's worth thinking about what you're giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:49 PM
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I'm not sure that's true. I've seen plenty of guys lives ruined by divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:46 PM
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No it's not. That's a scientist idea of insanity because experiments have the same results if you do them the exact same way. That's not the same thing as practice or adaptation. If I try to juggle and fail I'm not insane for trying again and again until I can juggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:45 PM
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Believe me men feel the exact same way. If you don't want to then don't. I don't think people who don't want kids should have them. They're a huge amount of work and if you didn't love them it'd be terrible rather than fantastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:42 PM
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OK allow me to rephrase. The countries that have done the most to increase choice have seem men and women making more stereotypical choices than counties that don't. So when people are free to choose they choose more typical routes. You're acting like this 80/20 split is a 100% guaranteed thing that will happen no matter what No you can probably get some kids to go against their natural interests though praise and punishment but the more you allow them to do what they want the more the 80/20 wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:35 PM
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Yes I don't want to date a disabled person. Cry more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:49 PM
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It's wild that people get to pick there partners based on traits they do and don't like such as not being fucking useless?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:49 PM
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The issue there is that the countries that have done the most to do what you're saying and have more freedom of choice has resulted in more men and women going down more traditional routes. I get you might not like the studies but they all point in one direction and it's about an 80/20 split in terms of personality around the average. So 20% of women will be as into say tech as the average guy and 20% of men will be into kids as much as the average women. However outliers are normally only 1 sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:47 PM
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I have severe anxiety, depression, and OCD, all of which have limited my ability to learn how to drive and purchase a car. And this is why women don't want to date you. It's not just that you "don't have a car" it's what not having a car indicates. You are incompetent and women like competent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:27 AM
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Men don't have an out if they get someone pregnant. Even underage boys who have been raped by women have been forced to take responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:24 AM
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I think this is very sad. You're just saying "I don't like the idea of trusting someone because it could end up hurting me" This is the exact same reason men now refuse to marry. You're giving up the most meaningful relationships you can have, which are the most meaningful things in life, because you're unable to find someone to trust and then trust them. "If I don't try, I can never fail" is a fucking shit mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:48 AM
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Yes we're more likey to both fail and succeed, while women are more likey to stay around the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:08 AM
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No I'm saying there are tendencies in normal distribution. Like If I were to say males are more interested in things and women are more interested in people I don't mean al men or all women. What I mean is that you can do studies on pre socialised infants and see boys more interested in things and girls more interested in people and that then moves onto toys then school subjects then career paths. It's like saying "men are taller than women" I'm not denying that tall women exist I'm just saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:07 AM
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If women who have abortions had self control they wouldn't need abortions in the first place. It was always doomed to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:15 AM
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No it's a test to know if I should take them seriously or dismiss them for looking though the lens of "All differences in outcomes are caused by sexism/misogyny" If something can easily be explained by "Biological sex differences feminists don't like" then I can dismiss their nonsense. E.G. "The WNBA is less popular than the NBA because of misogyny" can be replaced with "The WNBA is less popular than the NBA because men are better at sports because of their biology and people want to watch the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:08 AM
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So my test is "Can it?" not "It always is" A guy shooting women because he hates women, that is not a biological sex difference feminists don't like. Men doing better in highly competitive fields that require temperaments that are more common in men than women is not misogyny. Just like it's not misandry because men are less interested a jobs caring for infants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:02 AM
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One test I use when it comes to "misogyny" is can it be replaced with "biological sex differences I don't like".? For example the reason why there are more successful men than women is a higher percentage of men are willing to sacrifice relationships, are more competitive, are willing to take risks, are willing to move etc. It's like say the lottery is sexist because men win more than women but really it's just men are more willing to take stupid risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:29 AM
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That's fine. At no point would or have I argued obligation. All I'm saying if that if you want to wait until a guy is highly successful before you view him as viable then you're getting up to the same level of delusion as the women who think they can get basketball players to commit by hanging around at their hotels. Pursuit of a collage degree is a guy trying to be successful not a successful guy. You're not being unreasonable by saying you want someone pursuing success, you're right to do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:22 AM
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I think this depends on what you mean by it. If a guy has personality defect then yeah you're right. If you mean the guy isn't successful yet but he's trying then you're wrong. One of the biggest issues I see with women when it comes to dating is you expect to just sit and the finish line and demand half the winnings. If you want to find a guy you need to go for the guy who's working hard to make it and team up and get there together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 10:07 AM
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So fully automated luxury communism?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:42 AM
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It feels like what ever I say you're just going to say no one cares about it. Yes somethings have gone up but consumer electronics have gone right down. I don't really view, basic smart phones, vacuum cleaners, washing machines, fridges, microwaves etc at trinkets as you need them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:20 AM
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If AI pans out like people think it will then the labour market is going to be so flooded that no one will be making any money. Or we're just going to be so hyper productive that everything is going to be insanely cheap. We're already facing an issue where tech mean household management is worthless to men as it's so easy and a stable income is useless to women as they have their own. The only thing that makes these things worth while is when you have kids as that reinforces the gender dynamic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:01 AM
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Prices go down all the time. How much was a blu ray player 10 years ago? how much was a 60" TV? Also, you didn’t answer my question. Medical assistance in dying in Canada can be used because you're depressed. The suicide booth is already in use.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:51 AM
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It's not just a matter of "can a robot do your job" it's "Can a robot make your job so easy any one can do it thus crushing your wages" I always use the taxi metaphor for this. Taxis used to be quite highly paid as it was hard to learn areas like London or new York. Then sat nav came out and all that skill was meaningless then uber came out and connected you to people with sat navs. Now having a taxi is shit. https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2020/09/taxi-medallion-owners-are-still-drownin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:47 AM
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oing to be taken by AI eventually. People stuck in their ways may not like it, but it is infinity times more cost effective than hiring a human and will be adopted ASAP. It's a big question of "What do you do when everything becomes so cheap it's almost free but no one has any money to buy anything despite it costing so little"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:41 AM
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No I'm saying it's easier to live alone than with someone else. You don't think my life would be easier if I got to keep the house, only have my kids 4-5 times a week and my wife had to send me a bunch of cash each month?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:25 PM
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Right so she has her own money and no doubt what ever he's been ordered to give her on top of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:44 PM
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To be fair that's because the husband is still paying aka providing his labour while the wife is doing nothing for him. Remove his cash and let's see how the women feel
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:34 PM
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Sure but the corner stone of the red pill was always the difference between women's stated and observed preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:45 AM
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The biggest difference with my wife and previous girlfriends is that my wife actually wanted to make our lives better and wanted me to be better even if that required work for her. Previous girlfriends, it was more like, I have thing that I bring to the table and they wanted access. It really made me realise that they never loved me they just loved that I improved their lives and I realised if that stopped they'd have been gone. My wife stuck with me though ups and downs. I think what love means…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:37 AM
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To be fair there's a good amount of cross over. Both are anti relationships and both focus on what's the best way to create a situation where you get all the non committed sex you would like. Obviously the redpill has a much bigger philosophy but in terms of actions they're not that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:28 AM
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I think this is a misunderstanding of TRP. The redpill preaches much more "enjoy the decline" over " make enough money to support a family of three kids" If you're redpill you don't want to get married because you're redpilled on marriage so why do you want to set that system up? The best thing to be if you're redpill is to be attractive enough to have short term relationships. This means maxxing out on being "hot" not being a provider. You're aiming to create tingles not deep meaning. What redp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:26 AM
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Are you saying most 5'2 women would be just as happy dating a guy who's 5'3 as they would someone taller than 5'3? If so can you please provide any evidence because the apps that allow women to filter for height say the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:28 PM
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Well "taller than me" and "tall" are 2 very different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:11 AM
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What percentage of men are tall vs what percentage of women want a tall man? If there's more women who want a tall guy than there are tall men then you better either be a very impressive woman or be willing to share.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:02 AM
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It was my now wife's birthday 2 weeks after our first date and I got her a twilight sparkle keyring (because she absolutely hated bronies) and a card. She would have thought it was really weird if I got her something big or sent her $300.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:58 AM
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Everything is understood though comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 07:11 AM
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No. The people who have kids tend to be married and the kids that tend to do best come from married parents. this whole thing seems like a good way for feminists and leftists to just stop existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:18 AM
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by entitlement but I agree it's not a good idea to have someone just stay home all day. It doesn't really even make sense outside of the small time of your life when you have very young children and during that time you can just take time off work as my wife did. I think tech has made "womens work" kind of obsolete. What am I paying a woman to stay home for while the dish washer, washing machine, roomba etc is doing all the work?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:30 AM
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I wanna watch a movie or a TV show without being bombarded by someone's sexuality Then don't watch what seems to be a specific genre that caters to people who do? It'd be like me going to a book store, walking to the erotic fiction section, buying a book with a half naked, jacked dude on the front then complaining it's full of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:14 AM
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Isn't this talking about anime on anime websites? I had to look up half the terms in this post. I don't understand how you think these cartoons are being forced on you when I didn't even know they existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:52 AM
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Honestly it's because I trusted my wife more than I've trusted anyone. We'd been friends was 6 years before we dated and we knew each others flaws and issues. She stuck with me when I was at the lowest point of my life and she makes my life better every day. I don't really think about her "stealing half my stuff" as everything I have, I have because of her. Marriage is great if you find a woman who wants to build something with you. The problem is a huge amount of women just want to latch on to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:29 AM
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Yes they go on them, meet people and then leave. Most people not being on them at any given point is like saying most people aren't in bars at any given point. Doesn't change the fact people go and meet there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 01:20 PM
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Nope, you just live your life and socialise and you might meet someone without activelly looking for them. So your plan is to do nothing and some guy who meets all your needs (which likey means he fills most other womens needs, which makes him in demand) will just fall in your lap while you're getting lunch? That's not a great plan in today's world. Seems like people are now more willing to just stay single. That doesn't sound like a good thing to me. I think a lot of people are going to end up …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:19 PM
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No I'm talk about the tinder match data. Since the majority of people now meet online you can't really downplay it's significance. find another guy or drop/pause dating and focus on social connections. Sometimes you can just stumble upon the right person. Find/stumble on what guy and for what purpose? Do you mean just hop from Chad's dick and stumble onto Tyrones? What I'm really trying to ask you here is what is the broad attitude that if I can't have exactly what I want then I'm just going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:40 PM
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That seems to go against the online dating stats that show women all going the same very small percentage of men. The question is if you can't get the top guy you're all competing for then what's option number 2?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 09:47 AM
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You're going to have to describe what you mean by "their needs" If you're saying that all women NEED the top 5% of men or else they should just not date then considering the top 5% would most likely rather have 5 girls on rotation that one committed girlfriend then about 0% of women are going to get what they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:24 AM
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Well I don't think men are going after women pushing reasonable ideas in the way feminists have gone after moderates like Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan or Chris Williamson. To me It's the same way the left went after people like Mitt Romney like he was a NAZI when he was super boring and moderate. That resulted in Trump because the right went "Fuck it we're going to be attacked no matter what let's just go for the guy who doesn't give a fuck" There's no big attack on women like Louise Perry, JK Row…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:55 AM
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Sure but you can't expect men not to react when they're treated as hostile actors. they're either going to not want to play with you and we've seen roughly 45% of men "checking out" or they just embrace it and go Redpill as That pushes the idea that everything is fucked so just enjoy yourself with minimal responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:40 AM
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This is the argument that the internet isn't real life but it increasingly is. Culture is being created online more than in the real world. There's an increasing divide between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:30 AM
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it would be weird to take a Netflix series as if it was a comprehensive, factually accurate representation of the average >knife crime case in the UK. These shows are entertainment, and as a result they're simplified for the lowest common denominator of users. The problem is it's being treated as a documentary by the writers and now the Prime minister is pushing for it to be played in schools. There's not been a single case of a young white kid who's got loving parents, does well in school and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 09:26 AM
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No it wasn't. She's have to prove it. You can't just say "it's that rich dudes kid" Yes a way of proving it is if he's been showing you off as his girlfriend but if he kept it quiet you'd be screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/25 05:23 AM
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I didn't say it didn't exist I'm saying that it's irrelevant when it's a bastard child and the father can just deny it's his and there's no way to prove it. How would you prove in a court of law it's a guy who you fucked baby before blood and dna testing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 06:55 PM
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And people didn't want them to have to exist. Having a child you can't support is bad. Hence the shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:39 PM
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Safe, legal abortion ended the shotgun marriage because it wasn't reasonable to expect your daughter to die in a back street abortion. Yes women were shamed for engaging in the act of sexual reproduction with a man who hasn't agreed to support her because it makes that child everyone else's problem and women couldn't work and have children back in the day. It's not sexism it's a lack of technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:16 PM
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Barely and they're self reports. What are you even arguing about? And yes looking at pictures isn't having an affair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:13 PM
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And if the woman cheats you'll say he wasn't meeting her needs. I don't make excuses for people who cheat. Just divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:12 PM
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No they weren't. The end of the shotgun marriage was abortion as it gives men the ability to say "why should I when she can just get an abortion"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:50 PM
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Jesus I'm simply saying you should have higher standards for commitment before you let a guy fuck you. I've never used tinder I'm 40 and been with my wife since my late 20s. Can we agree on no sex before commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:48 PM
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You don't but you do need something better than the potato that was taken on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:45 PM
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No men and women cheat at the same rate. Porn isn't cheating. I can't understand the rest of your rambling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:45 PM
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No you don't you're Indian.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:40 PM
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If by high standards you mean demanding commitment I'm absolutely with you. You should do that. If you mean high standards as in trying to date guys way out of your league that's exactly why you keep getting ran though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:39 PM
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If they mean nothing why would they do it given how much divorce screws over men. Also men and women cheat at the same rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:36 PM
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Which ever one is making the most money. I don't follow that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:25 PM
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No you just have ugly friends. If they were actually hot they'd be scouted. The chances you know "many hot women" when I'm talking about 0.000001% of women means you're either wrong or lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:59 PM
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Do you agree that if a company came up with a pill that worked they'd make billions and if yes then what can men do by talking about it? I suppose there could be an equivalent of a cancer research charity but I don't really think it'd make any difference as there's already a giant financial incentive for drug companies to create it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:54 PM
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You're confusing your friend who you think is hot rather than who I'm talking about which Is women who are 1 in 100,000. You're like a guy who thinks his friend is rich because he makes 6 figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:49 PM
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Women initiate almost all divorces - proof - the paperwork But it's men's fault they fail - proof...... Just trust me bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:35 PM
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No it's primarily an economic arrangement and the joining of resources and insurance on breaking up. The only reason why someone would say they don't love you enough is because not getting married is a sign you think the relationship is going to fail so it's a bad economic situation as divorce is extremely expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:32 PM
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Not when we live in a world of 64 megapixel phone cameras.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:29 PM
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Because sex results in pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:02 PM
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Then find a better one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:01 PM
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No marriage is still an economic agreement. You don't involve the law and government in matters of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:01 PM
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Why was shame used on women who had kids with no support?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:58 PM
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Why where they forced. what was the worry if the guy didn't marry his daughter?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:52 PM
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Marriage existed for exactly the reason I said. That's why shotgun marriages where a thing. The fact the system has stopped worked because of divorce rules being expanded doesn't change the fact it was a solution to the problem of children without a provider and it broadly still fills that role. Both women and men should protect themselves when it comes to children either from abandonment or paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:41 PM
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Marriage exists to protect women from men abandoning them. I have no problems with women requiring marriage and don't consider it an accusation that I was trying to knock you up and run off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:32 PM
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Had, In my 20s. I'm 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:58 AM
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Who seriously brings their gf/bf home and announces yo their family “she’s the one!” I pretty much did that with my wife. I told both my friends and family that it was the first time I'd found someone I see spending my life with. My wife did something very similar. If your just fucking them, why waste the effort and everyone’s time introducing them? People meet people who they're dating. Just because I'd be in a relationship I knew I wouldn't be in for very long doesn't mean I can't spend time a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:51 AM
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No simping for both men and women is allowing someone to extract from you while offering nothing in return other than bread crumbing and gas lighting. simping for men is the girl who flirts with you to get you to buy her things and drive her around and use you as an emotional tampon. Simping for a women is letting some hot guy use you as a bang maid while offering no commitment. I'm simply anti simping, there's no double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:46 AM
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Like I said it's only relevant if you're meeting them and declaring your commitment to them. If you're just like "hey this is Anne we're dating but it's not serious" then it's meaningless if it's "hey this is Anne she's my girlfriend and I think she's the one" that has meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:42 AM
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Well the rule I'd apply to men is stop simping which is effectively the same thing. both men and women need to stop letting themselves be taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:38 AM
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And as I previously mentioned moving in with someone or buying an engagement ring would be examples of commitment as both require sacrifice. Would it not be safe to say a commitment is also meeting each other’s families. How so? How did me meeting my fuck buddies parents make me committed? I'm asking seriously here. the only way that kinda makes sense is if he's introducing you to his friends and family as something he's taking very seriously, but simply meeting them is meaningless, it'd be the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:24 AM
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Men will do what they're allowed to get away with. If you want to fuck me for free that's a great deal. If you're a higher class of women and demand commitment then that's fine too. It's up to the people who I want to date to decide if I have value. If you think that men who aren't virgins have no value that's absolutely fine, good for you for having such high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:19 AM
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Then just get rid of any and all legal contracts because everyone should just trust everyone. The reality is some people are snakes and will use the system you're suggesting to abuse people. There's no harm in a contract you plan on keeping to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:01 AM
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The only way women can avoid being fucked around is to demand commitment. I don't think that means marriage but it need to be some kind of sacrifice that's more than he can afford to do if he's fucking girls around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:59 AM
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average men will not sacrifice to get average women I think you're wrong. they'll demand 50/50 dates 50/50 is not a lack of commitment. My wife and I are 50/50 we put our money in a joint account and it's both of ours. That's commitment. and paternity tests Why would that cause you any kind of bother? BOTH genders will not go for it, neither women NOR MEN. Then women will keep ending up in situationships becoming increasingly depressed and anxious and men will continue to either whore around or …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:55 AM
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do men need to sacrifice something just to show they care? Yes and in your book meeting her parents isn't enough so the sacrifice need to be greater? Correct. this just enforce than women need to make their standards and demands even higher to a point the men need to feel like they're sacrifices somthing just for them to be considered. Upping standards for commitment yes. The big issue at the moment is women think they can get high value guys to commit by fucking them. This doesn't work, they ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:26 AM
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I've had that happen and I was absolutely cool with it. Keep fighting windmills though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:20 AM
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My wife is assertive and I love her very much. It's a matter of being on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:10 AM
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An engagement ring or living together isn’t the ultimate sign of commitment. Correct, marriage is however is shows a willingness to sacrifice and deal with cost if you break up. That's commitment. I can rent a house and pay to break the lease but I'd still committed to the house by signing the lease as opposed to staying in an airbnb or hotel. All contracted can by voided but commitment is showing that if you break your word you'll endure cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:09 AM
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Cool and he dumped her within the year so how was he committed? what did he have to sacrifice to prove he's committed to her and only her? Meet her parents? I met fuck buddies parents and went out in public together? I've done that with fuck buddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:07 AM
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It's more that there's no commitment to saying "I won't sleep with other people" if tomorrow you can fuck someone else and there's 0 penalty for your action. dealing with having to get her off the lease or have her keep the engagement ring (which she should if you cheat on her) or best of al marriage where she can take half your shit. That's commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:04 AM
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No that's not commitment because you're not risking anything. Not polygamy is not commitment. If you stay in a hotel room and pay every day that's not commitment because you're not sleeping anywhere else. Commitment is signing a 12 month lease that you can't break without penalty or buying a house. This is why marriage is commitment. You can't leave without a huge penalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:02 AM
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Yes. This is casual dating, not commitment. Commitment is giving you something that he can't afford to give to others. An example would be an engagement ring or letting you live with him. It costs nothing to meet a girls parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:32 AM
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That was a relationship that lasted for a year. Chad fucking you for a year doesn't make you have value. This is why men talk about alpha widows. You think because a guy is willing to extract value from you then he's on your level. It's as deluded as thinking because a women allows you to provide things for her that means you're on her level when she's just extracting from you. A women's level is who she can marry. Everything else is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:28 AM
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Skill at what? Being the guy who women want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:24 AM
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If I didn't date women who fetishized very tall men I'd be a 40 year old virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:21 AM
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You mean If I failed as a husband would I be a used up failure with 2 kids in tow? Yeah pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:52 AM
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Correct. And if you where to describe these women's personalities they wouldn't align with what the vast majority of men find attractive. Of the men who do find having an aggressive dominant women around they're prob kind of submissive and very unmasculine men. Which is fine but likely not what a high flying women want around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:51 AM
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Attractive men don't get effective celebrity status for being attractive. No one is flying out a guy to hang out because he's hot. Women aren't buying hot guys things. Hot women live in another world to the rest of us where they're effectively outside socioeconomic barriers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:35 AM
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No it's accurate I'd advise watching this Ted talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uufXWTHT60Y&ab_channel=TEDxTalks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:33 AM
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Why don't you show me a picture in focus that shows front and side ideally in a bathing suit rather than something that was taken on a camera phone in 2005?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:30 AM
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Are you asking me if I like pets? I have a cat and a dog so I guess I do. If you're asking what I think pets say about a person then I think it depends. I don't like the furbabies thing as I think it's trying to fill a hole that should be filled with children and pets aren't kids. Other than that I think it shows your able to take care of something and put it before you which is a good trait in a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:27 AM
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Where’s your proof for the last point? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34687041/ Here you go. And do you describe successful men the same way? 100% in fact I think they're likely even worse and are likely even more prone to high risk behaviours as that's more of a male trait. The difference is women flock to these guys because men and women find different things attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:24 AM
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I actually only find those women attractive. I've dated girly, very agreeable girls and I'm not into it. My ideal is a strong minded women who aligns with me well. That's not going to be some hyper career focused women as she's going to have specific goals for her that don't work well in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:20 AM
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No as I put in my flair I'm married and live with my wife. We have a great marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:17 AM
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Unfortunately I was asked the same question by 3 people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:59 PM
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10s are incredibly rare. I don't mean pretty I mean flawless. Same reason a lot of unattractive men have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:59 PM
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Oh it absolutely does the only difference is it turns women on while it turns men off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:58 PM
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So explain all the women in their thirties who meet their eventual life partner If smoking causes lung cancer then explain how my uncle lived til 90 and he smoked 2 packs a day? body builders have very high BMIs These women aren't body builders and anyone who says this dumb shit is clearly retarded. Its 2025 Yes and I'm 40. Replace boss bitch with whatever word currently means a cunt with a position of authority. Is it fair then for women to extend this same sentiment to single fathers Do whatev…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:57 PM
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Correct. Neither are multimillionairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:50 PM
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Absolutely but short term dating only.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:50 PM
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There are no poor tens. A woman can be born in trailer park, be 80iq and fail at school but if she wins the genetic lotto she's worth millions. Saying they're at the same economic level is technically true but is a very shallow analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:23 PM
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There are no poor tens. A woman can be born in trailer park, be 80iq and fail at school but if she wins the genetic lotto she's worth millions. Saying they're at the same economic level is technically true but is a very shallow analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:22 PM
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There are no poor tens. A woman can be born in trailer park, be 80iq and fail at school but if she wins the genetic lotto she's worth millions. Saying they're at the same economic level is technically true but is a very shallow analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:22 PM
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I'm going to judge people based on where they put their attention. If it's on money and lifestyle and brands I'm not hugely interested in a relationship with that person. Money and status just aren't what I'm looking for in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:19 PM
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It's between overweight and obese. My point is that whatever word means fat will be used as an insult because being fat is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:17 PM
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because looks and socioeconomics are the same thing at a certain point. There are no poor tens even if they're dumb as a box of rocks. Men will marry them. That's what the men would rather date a women working a McDonalds really means.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:30 PM
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Sorry I meant a guy who plays videogames in his free time. Like that's his hobby and social life in one. Not how he pays the bills. I don't care if it's out of date, I'm 40, I'll use whatever term fits. post wall = Women's desirability drops after 30. I agree the term is used to degrade but it's simply describing a reality. A woman with a BMI over 27 is “a heifer”. I've seem multiple fat women argue that the term obese is derogatory. The reality is it's just a euphuism treadmill because being fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:28 PM
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And pretty women get paid to be pretty. Doesn't mean they're smart or qualified or educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:21 PM
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That's fine but you have to accept that people who are career focused are going to broadly have a similar personality type and that's going to be different from someone who's family focused. It's like If i see a fat person I'm going to assume they eat badly and don't work out but maybe they do sumo. I don't really give a shit about exceptions to rules when it comes to who I want to date. If I had to interview everything because they might not be like that I'd have wasted so much time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:20 PM
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As I described with my videogame analogy, it's a matter that men simply don't find "boss bitches" attractive just like women don't find guys who play world of warcraft attractive. Do you think it's degrading men by saying "I don't want to date a guy who spends all his time playing videogames"? I don't think I'm degrading women by saying I wouldn't want to date or marry some hyper career focused women. Do you view men having preferences as degrading to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:11 PM
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While they're not committing to women who work at McDonalds they are committing with women who are barely qualified to work at McDonalds they're just pretty enough to skate though life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:08 PM
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You don't get to dictate what men do or don't find appealing. I don't think it proves the things you're saying at all. I could say Online video games develop skills like teamwork, communication, problem-solving, adaptability, and strategic thinking—transferable to relationship management as collaboration, effective dialogue, conflict resolution, flexibility, and planning. Does that make you wanna date a guy who spends all his time playing world of war craft? the reality is most successful people…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:58 PM
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You can go on googletrends and search and terms and see the spikes in public interest. Sure people spoke about AI but it wasn't everyone talking about it all the time. Men have talked about male contraception but until a technology that actually works comes about it's not going to be that interesting to people. I don't get what you want us to say to each other. We might as well be talking about simple cure for all cancer or flying cars. Yes we'd like it but what are we supposed to do or say?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:35 PM
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But she's not dating girls, she's dating guys. So the question becomes what's the number of women that are looking for this type of guy vs how many of this type of guy exist. If There's far fewer men of this type than women seeking them, then it becomes a very difficult market for women and a very easy market for the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:17 AM
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I'm not saying there's harm in chatting about it. The incentive already exists in the fact that a solution that's as effective as surgery with similar levels of complications would make the company incredibly rich. The reason people including a huge amount of feminists are discussing ai/vr/ar/sexbots is because there's been a sudden huge leap in the development. We're currently almost at a "Her" and "blade runner 2049" level of development. That was fantasy just a decade ago now it's 5 years awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:59 AM
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Yes we talk about it however it just ends up with the post below that says nothing works. Saying men don't talk about it is like saying men didn't talk about ED or balding before Viagra and hair transplants. It's just wasn't available and as soon as it was everyone rushed to the doctors. Who ever comes up with a good product that works is going to be very very rich but when your only option is to wait then you wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 01:08 PM
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I don't know what you mean by people don't talk about it? I had a vasectomy. Don't you think I'd rather have not gone though with that? I know lots of other men who have too. They'd rather have not had to go though surgery that leaves you forever sterile. The reality is there's no good options for men as it's more complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 08:51 AM
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3 options 1) The father pays for the child he didn't want. 2) Other men who aren't the father pay for the kid via taxes making them poor and unable to afford kids/their kids have to go without. 3) No one pays for the kid which mean women are more selective about who they have sex with/have more abortions/kids end up in extreme poverty. Pick your poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:58 AM
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I think the rock is a good one. I don't really know anything about the others. I think there's an issue that there's few men that other men want to emulate that aren't hated by liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 12:33 PM
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Who seems nice then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 12:10 PM
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So you can't name a single masculine man in a public position that you'd say men should model themselves after? Do you see how that might be a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:13 AM
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What about real people rather than absolute fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:31 AM
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No the opposite. I always felt like something was off in previous relationships. Like I was avoiding the responsibility that should come with sex/relationships because I was really always looking for the door. In the back of my head and I was scared of losing the ability to leave. Being married I feel like I am being responsible and taking sex seriously and I'm not debasing myself or my wife. losing the feeling of guilt and imposter syndrome makes things better as I no longer feel uncomfortable …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:54 AM
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That's literally what she's saying. She's saying I can't get the high value guys to commit but low value guys will. She wants to be treated like how low value guys treat her but with a high value guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 01:42 PM
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Oh shit I have the exact perfect video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09e2iel1u5A&ab_channel=hoe_math
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:21 AM
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The problem is there is no "genuine feminism" it's a no true Scotsman fallacy. I'd advise you read their books but the argument is kinda simple a lot of highly influential feminists are wealthy women who don't like that women are treated as differently, in their careers because they're women and that can hinder their advancement. They then push this kind of blank slate argument . The problem as Perry and Harrington see it is this is a luxury belief that screws over the vulnerable women who are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:16 AM
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I read her book and I'd say she's a feminist. It's just she sees diferent braches of feminism as does Louise Perry. Louse Perry doesn't like what she calls "liberal feminism" and Mary doesn't like "The feminism of freedom" Both think that feminism should be about helping vulnerable women not getting 0.0001% of women are company boards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:34 AM
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So I've had kids. My wife and I are at an age where if she did fall pregnant it's a much higher risk of issues both to her health and increased risk in genetic issues for the kid and we don't want to put that on our other children. Can you describe the issues you have with it? BTW 0 loss in sex drive and I've not noticed any reduction in semen volume (which would have honestly been a blessing)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 09:06 AM
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I'm saying that laws that allow men to lose their property be that money or good are going to make men less inclined to sign up. The more money a guy makes the more incentive a women has to leave him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:56 AM
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how do you know that. Maybe she just quit because her job sucked and the amount they were spending on childcare was more than she was making per hour. I simply don't understand the argument that because you marry someone that makes a lot of money that means that you would have magically been successful yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:53 AM
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No it was slightly less but still more than mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:48 PM
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Yes. She was being paid during her maternity leave. She went back to work when the pay ended.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:43 PM
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She took about a year off per kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:12 PM
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Yes. Again we split things. she does drop off, I do pick up, we both do dinner and we alternate bath and bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 01:48 PM
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Sounds like a very good argument for women to refuse to be homemakers or be financially dependent on a spouse in any way. Fantastic! That's exactly what my wife and I are like. Our lives are much better together and would be a big drop for both our living standards if we split up but we could both absolutely manage on our own. The whole "trad wife" thing is retarded. Most housework is easy now with tech and the internet. All the bills are done online, shopping, banking, I press a button and a ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:45 PM
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which presupposes that you'd be successful if you did. Most people aren't successful and certainly not the kind of people who quit there jobs to stay home all day when you don't even have kids. I don't get to quit my job and demand they continue to pay me because "I could have made more money if I went to work for another company" If you choose to sit at home all day then you have the face the consequences of your choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 11:57 AM
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I wouldn't ever get married if I made enough money that alimony would be an issue. I think it's a matter men are wising up to that fact. Marriage isn't working because men don't see the benefits so choose not to engage. That's not good for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 11:25 AM
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I'm saying giving someone the legal ability to steal from you isn't a good idea even if they'll lose most of the time. There's no reason why you should continue to be funded by someone because of relationship breakdown. I can't quit my job and expect them to keep paying me because I'm used to a standard of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 11:23 AM
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What would be your bar for evidence? That every time someone runs on it they lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 10:40 AM
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I'm not talking about evidence for a paper. I'm saying if something isn't on the table it's because there's a lack of appetite. If only men could vote the divorce laws would be repealed immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:43 AM
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If I said "having your husbands children is no guarantee he will never cheap on you" Would you agree that's true? Can that be sorted to "You can't expect to always get out what you put into a relationship" I don't really get why you're turning this into a gendered issue. Yes it works both ways but men are broadly expected more of in relationships than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:39 AM
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Because the process is the punishment. If you allow people to sue for it then men will avoid it because they don't want a law suit even one they'll most likely win. This creates distrust and suspicion and things like common law marriage which is just co habitation then start being viewed with suspicion. It's like asking why is there a lack of sperm donors. Well because men don't trust they'll be kept anonymous and not have to end up paying. It's risk vs reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:34 AM
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No I'm saying the fact no one dares run on a position that's very popular with men is evidence of a gynocentric society
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:23 AM
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The evidence is that despite most men being against it no one dares run against it as it's a losing issue. It's be like running on women being drafted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:22 AM
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Men demand change No political leader willing to address it "that's not evidence men aren't represented"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 11:30 AM
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If it was a vote winner to have fair divorces they'd run on it but it's not because women are the majority. Politics is catering to what wins the most votes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 06:46 AM
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Did they run against it despite men clearly hating it? No? Well there you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:32 AM
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Person A:dying of thirst in a desert Person B: dying of thirst in a river of low quality but drinkable water.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 10:30 AM
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I don't understand what you're asking me? Are you asking for the polices political leaders run on? Like kamala and Trump both ruling out any federal ban on abortion despite the fact that the majority of men oppose it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:20 PM
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I'm saying they put in policies that advantage women and disadvantage men because women are the majority share holders.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:57 PM
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I said the issue is with government powers You said men are in charge I said women put them in charge to represent there interests so their sex is irrelevant. The question is do you or don't you agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:49 PM
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There's more women than men. Again you're not answering my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:23 PM
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I'll answer you when you answer me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:17 PM
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ou're still trying to push the baseless conjecture that women who stop dating MUST be doing so only after their supposed "alpha fucks" and "dates with chad." I never said this. I'm saying there's a difference between having the option to do something and finding it's not really for you and being unable to do something. I'm saying the guy is a person in a wheel chair and the women is a person who took up running and found it wasn't really for her. There's a difference. I don't care if they dated …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:16 PM
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Your argument is men are in power so they'd vote in their own best interests. I'm saying they're only in power because of women and as it's in their interests to stay in power they do the bidding of the women who put them there. Do you disagree with my premise before you attempt to drag me in to the weeds?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:11 PM
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Wrong it's a 10% difference in how they vote https://www.statista.com/statistics/1096291/voter-turnout-presidential-elections-by-gender-historical/ Women vote at a higher rate than men. Women choosing men to represent them is their choice. They're free to pick a female candidate. The men aren't voting on their interests they are voted in based on the policy positions women support. It could be a robot, it doesn't matter. What matters in they're put in by women, for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:05 PM
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What gender vote in a higher percentage?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:47 AM
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That's quite the little emotional outburst. It's different like this Person A) I can't afford to buy a home, I hoped I would but I've ran the numbers and I can't. I was sad about this but I've learnt to live with it. Person B) I bought several homes but I found home ownership expensive and annoying so I'm just going to sell up and rent unless something really great comes on the market. Do you understand how these 2 things are different?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:46 AM
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Again this isn't moaning at women it's moaning at the system. If men had a legal right to kick the shit out of you and rape you when you're married it would be a bigger issue than now they're not. BTW I'm with you on being careful who you marry and it's very east to see that's why marriage is a dying institution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:40 AM
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Right but there's a difference there. If a guy treats you badly you can just separate. If the woman you're married to does that she has the full power of the legal system to fuck you over for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:22 AM
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Can you define that? Are we talking the bait and switch before and after marriage or just someone who demands princess treatment but never sleeps with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 11:25 AM
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That's not how it works. You'll regret every failed relationship in some way or another but you'll also learn a lot about what you should and shouldn't accept and what you're willing to compromise on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:48 AM
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It just seems like a weird standard. I've befriended guys and introduced them to my other friends after like 2 weeks. I don't get why it's a big deal unless you're worried that your friends won't like them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:32 AM
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Your ick is they want to meet your family and they're enthusiastic about dating you? You should really try and understand how guys see things. If a guy is dating a girl he's not really into he won't let her meet his friends and family and he won't be willing to meet theirs. What they're attempting to signal is that "I'm not just trying to bang you and run off, I'm trying to involve you and I'm hoping you want to involve me." When you say that's ick what guys hear is "she's not that into me" and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:27 AM
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If they're guys with options and they don't want to wait a year to have sex then remember this is a free market and you're not offering what the next girl most likely is. Alternatively you can date guys who don't have options then you can slow things right down but there's normally a reason guys don't have options. Or you can date a more hardcore Christian but that'd be weird if you're not one. If guys keep giving you the "ick" then maybe you're being unreasonable or maybe you're going after the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:05 AM
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you can make an offer that doesn’t align with “standards and norms” and either someone will take you up on it or not Right and in a broad free market prices are set my competition so if you're selling eggs for $5 and everyone else is selling the same eggs for $3 your eggs are going to rot. t I am married to a good man I am highly attracted to. How did that happen? You found a guy with no option so he couldn't shop elsewhere so he was forced to be price gouged by you. It is what you are doing her…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:10 AM
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There is no universal “should” That's the issue here. There kinda is because dating has become a market and in markets there are standards and norms. You can disagree with them but you can't deny the reality. trying to shame women as “playing games” for not fucking on your personal schedule. not my personal schedule I've read enough FDS to know some women play games and I wouldn't put up with that. insulting her for not meeting your standards is you playing the exact same game she is playing. ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 02:51 PM
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Like are you asking how many months would I go where I was the only one spending money and he was mooching off of me Correct. How long should someone have to give up to a perspective partner because they have trust issues. Why is sex on the first date the only form of physical affection that counts? Never said sex on the first date I said making them wait months. Once again mott and baily. If he wants sex faster than I am comfortable with and is happy to get it with other women, then we are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:38 PM
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I think the logic here is that people changing their minds doesn't mean they used you. If 2 people date for 2 months and break up then who ever was broken up with could say "They used me for sex/money and then left. They must have been lying the entire time" but it could just be after a couple of month they stopped liking the person. There's an assumption among more feminist women and RP men that male and female relationships are inherently exploitative in different directions so they look at it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:35 AM
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I'm totally with you that you should get to know people before sleeping with them. I think it means men and women get held to a higher standard and that's a good thing. What I'm really arguing against here is the game some women (see FDS) of making a guy wait as a means of having him prove himself while not doing anything to prove yourself to the man. Personally I wouldn't want to date and certainly not marry someone like that so I'd pick the women who'd not playing stupid games.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:26 AM
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Can you try again without the mott and baily? I said what about month before he's willing to spend money on you. Not if he's going to blow his life savings after knowing you for an hour. I'm asking you a simple question about should a guy be expected to wait for months before you show him physical affection when other women who are just as good are willing to after much less a period of time. As for the personal jibe. I don't sleep around, I've never really slept around, I've had ample opportuni…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:23 AM
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What about after months (others have suggested men should be okay waiting months)? would that be ok or would you rather date an identical guy who doesn't treat you like a gold digger because he has hang ups?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:27 PM
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That's really going to depend on the woman. If she's like top 1% of women then you're right. If she's not then you're wrong. No guy with options is waiting months for some mediocre women who's been ran though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:41 PM
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And then he doesn't want you and he goes and marries some other lady and you're left alone. This is the issue with the "dating market" it creates a kinda race to the bottom. There's an increasingly small number of eligible men who want committed relationships which means women are going to have to figure out what standards are reasonable or end up single and childless by circumstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:17 PM
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I would choose the most perfect man for me And this is the issue at hand. If a guy has options and you're making him jump though hoops (no matter how valid you feel said hoops are) and another woman isn't then they'll pick the other women. Now obviously you can say "Well I don't want to date someone who won't jump though hoops" but that really just sounds like sour grapes because you're unable to get out of your own way and thus unable to secure a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:00 PM
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I didn't say he wasn't. I said if there was an identical guy who also wanted to date you and he didn't have these hang ups which would you rather date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:51 AM
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Why don't you answer my question? If a guy is stingy as fuck because he has hang ups he can equally say "well I just want to get to know you" you're not an idiot you understand I'm talking about a hypothetical situation because it makes it easier to say identical. It's not a matter of no sex at all it's a matter 1 person is playing games because they have baggage and one person isn't because they don't. I'm married. I've avoided one night stands that I had plenty of opportunity for while working…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:14 AM
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and by not a good guy you mean not willing to put up with a worse deal? If you're dating 2 identical guys and one is really hung up on not spending money on you because "I don't want to be used and I've been burnt before and if you expect me to pay for anything you're clearly not a good person" and the other guy was just normal. Would you be picking the guy with the weird baggage and hang ups?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:36 AM
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What if he's not a fuck boy he's a genuine guy who wants to get married and have kids. All things being equal why does he want to date the woman playing games with him about sex over the women who isn't playing games with him regarding sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:15 AM
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It's only psychopath women who feel like this. Most women are nice and want to be supportive of people who they love. You shouldn't trauma dump on them but you should be open enough they feel you trust them to support you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:23 AM
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I don't trauma dump on my wife. If anything I get accused of not being open enough. Not every guy is built for a relationship. So you're going for guys who want a fuck buddy/one night stand?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:17 AM
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No I understand you. It just seems like you're making the male vertion of the crazy cat lady argument. I also broke up with several women because they where unbearably messy. Yes some men suffer from mental health issues but let's go look at the stats for who's the least happy and who's on anti depressants and anti anxiety meds. Oh look it's way more women than men. I absolutely agree with you that quite a few men are not doing great but women aren't doing any better. If you think relating to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:42 PM
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Often (though Im not comfortable saying the majority of) single men live in filth, eat terribly, blow their money and do nothing to maintain human to human social networks. So do women. Most women are obese and relate to the new Yorker cover https://x.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1333964104848068608?s=19 Guys I know are physically fit, clean and love meal prepping. You seem to be talking about weird incels rather than actual men who's role models are Jordan "clean your room" peterson and Joe "just wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:25 PM
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If they are so easy to do yourself why do men consistently fail to do them? They don't. Men increasingly live alone and are absolutely self sufficient and are increasingly moving away from relationships in younger generations. Why is it always women doing all of these things? Women care more about how things are done. For example I don't give a shit about paying a bit more for insurance if it saves me faffing around. My wife however wants to spend more time on it. So I leave her to it. organizin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:56 PM
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My questions is if you're typical tasks have been taken over by tech (they have) and now you're refusing to do the emotional relationship work and sex is being replaced by porn/only fans/ai/vr/ar what exactly is the point of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:29 PM
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I'm not saying women don't take on these roles while in relationships. I'm saying they're no longer valuable roles as they're so easy to do yourself. To paraphrase you, there's no argument that a man can make in terms of protection and provision to a woman in a safe neighbourhood with a good job who owns a gun. I pretty much always had a girlfriend but lived alone throughout my 20s (now 40) never once in that time did I think a woman would make household management easier (and I was right). My p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:23 PM
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I'm not sure why you've responded to this guy rather than me when I was the person who you directed the question at. Also to be clear the question wasn't about children which are optional it's about what tech has replaced women in household roles not childcare roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:45 PM
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Cleaning. Washing machine and dryers, roombas, dishwashers, vaccume cleaners. Clothing. It's now cheaper to replace than repair so that whole skill set is not needed. Online shopping means it's all a breeze and fashion advise is done by the Internet. Grocery Shopping/cooking. Online grocery shopping means everything is delivered to your door whenever you want and now guys are more into fitness and the Internet is great for recipes batch cooking or using services like gusto or hello fresh makes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:59 PM
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So we agree that saying just be nice is massively over simplistic and thus bad advise. Good advice is something actionable and precise. "just be nice" is neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:20 PM
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"Just go to therapy" is once again a modern solution to not relying on each other which IMO is why relationships are deemed not worth it any more. Womens household roles have basically been taken over by tech and so your new crusade is to say that you're not only not going to do anything in terms of the physical labour you're also not going to be doing any emotional labour? It's hitting a point where there really is no point in a relationship for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:47 AM
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I mean the first 2 are just TRP and the last one doesn't work. being likeable often means being agreeable and that's normally the problem they're trying to over come to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:33 AM
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Give us your top 5 bits of good advise women give to men on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 09:01 AM
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Fair enough but I think you have much greater protections in marriage than employment. You take a risk either way. When you look at the stats most women drop there hours significantly after having children as you realise that you're not the most important person in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:23 AM
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You decide by deciding to have sex or not. When you're done having kids get sterilised.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:19 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by men never appreciated it. I'm from the UK so I don't know as much about women's history in the US but in the UK the rough time line was Pre industrialisation women effectively ran the cottage industry that was each person's life from processing materials to brewing and planning while the husband did manual labour. Post industrial revolution it was the upper class woman who created all the charities, foundations, parks etc that later all got rolled into the governmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:55 PM
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what specifically have you personally done, in concrete terms, to support these “female metrics”, as a man? I ask to get a good example of what you think men and women should be doing better. I guess trying to be a good dad which is what creates healthy humans. I think men should be more responsible and less selfish. I don't know what women should be doing. I think the reason woman feel such a need to be independent girl bosses and basically emulate men is because men are failing to support wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 08:34 AM
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Don't like 80% of Americans live pay check to pay check and doubtless that stat is even higher for men under 35?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:59 AM
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Are you going to post your evidence of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:53 AM
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We have different classifications. If you lose your home and the government puts you in a hotel/bed and breakfast you're listed as homeless. That's not the same as street homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:47 AM
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I'm not personally attacking you we're discussing women as a whole. As I said I absolutely agree we don't have a good compensation model for the work women typically do/did. I huge amount has been taken over by government which I guess is a way to pay women for the societal work they would previously do for free. I also broadly don't blame women for not doing well in these metrics. I actually broadly blame men for falling behind so far that women are forced to take up the slack driving them out …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:28 AM
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You seem to think I think doing office work is more important than social or family work. I don't. I think a huge problem we have in society is an inability to properly compensate women for the work they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:04 PM
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Yes but I'm arguing for minimalism not some kind of puritism. I'm more than happy to move to no sex outside of relationships rather than the no sex before marriage model. I think my side is winning. Women are learning that hook up culture is bad for them and men don't want to marry sluts. My ideal would be the end of prescribing the pill outside of medical issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:35 PM
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What are they doing well with vs doing badly with in your opinion? To me it seems like they're doing much better by traditional male metrics - education, career. Financially but much worse in typical female metrics - social, community, family, friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:41 PM
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Because you can't help but be reliant on each other and it changes your perspective from being self focused to focused on someone else and you have to work with another person to do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:32 PM
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I think people should date but not this hook up culture thing that I think is bad for everyone apart from psychopathic men. I mostly agree with the feminist Louise Perry on your question but I don't expect you to read a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:30 PM
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I'd be very happy to see porn banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:02 PM
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I think that changes massively when you have a family and your relationship suddenly reverts back to needing each other. The washing machine is a good metaphor for women being freed from domestic duties meaning they're able to have jobs and freedom but the washing machine also freed men from needing women. Children can't be solved with the invention of the roomba or online grocery shopping.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:58 PM
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Sure that's because you're partner is not dependable. You should both be dependable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:51 PM
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I'd bet your opinion changes if you decide to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:50 PM
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Do you think women have adapted well?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:48 PM
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Your choice isn't just to leave its everyone else who'll date you. If you're partner is genuinely irreplaceable you don't think about your choices of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:40 PM
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No the paradox of choice is a phycological phenomenon where the more options a person is given the less satisfied they are with what they get. Example is if you are given an option to pick out a free t-shirt from 10 different designs you'll be less happy with the t-shirt than someone who was given a free t-shirt with no choice of design. When you add choice you add uncertainty and comparisons this makes you feel like you may have made the wrong choice or missed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:22 PM
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People being free to make stupid decisions doesn't make their decisions less stupid. A person can have no qualifications or experience and say they want a job that pays 10 million a year or they won't work. It's up to them but it's clearly a stupid standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:14 PM
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Some people are certainly more replaceable than others. If I look at relationships I had in my late teens and early 20s it was really just relationships of convenience. I think a lot of divorce happens because people aren't reliant on the other person or aren't living up to their responsibilities so then the question becomes "why am I here" rather than "let's solve the issue" I'm not talking about social pressures. I can't divorce my wife without it having a catastrophic impact on the both of us…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:07 PM
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I'm not talking about dependence in some "you have to do what I want because you depend on me" way. I'm saying together your lives are much better and you're each irreplaceable. I can't replace my wife as she's the mother of my children. There's no one equal to her because of this. Do you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:29 PM
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Co dependence isn't 2 healthy people working towards a common goal and depend on each other to Achive it. It's people with substance abuse issues or mental health issues with a partner who kinda enables them at both of their expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:12 PM
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Well I think it's definitely a good thing if you rely on your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:05 PM
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I don't think people should be dependent on others to survive but I think it's a good thing if people depend on each other. I don't think men are complaining about having to be likeable. I think women expect the same level of financial security that their fathers gave their mothers but we don't live in that world anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:04 PM
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Neither is being 2 highly independent people as you end up with the paradox of choice. Being dependent on each other isn't a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:59 AM
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I didn't say coercion. I'm saying it's a symbiotic relationship where you each need each other and the less you do the more you will end up with the paradox of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:25 AM
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I think this is where we disagree. If you're free to swap and choose at will then you end up with the paradox of choice. You spend your time wondering if the grass is greener on the other side rather than focusing on how to improve your relationship. Comparison is the thief of joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:18 AM
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I more mean when people needed each other it created a deeper connection like having children does as it being you back to that state. If you don't have that then you're relying on just what makes you happy and you're going to have ups and downs in life. The paradox of choice is an illustration of this as the more options people have the less happy they are with what they've picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 10:44 AM
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I'm not sure. I think needing each other is a good thing in a relationship. My wife and I rely on each other mostly because we have kids. I'm not really in agreement with the liberal idea that more free = more good. I think responsibly is what gives your life and your relationships greater value. Is it better than than being forced to marry someone you don't like? Yes. Is is better than being 2 hyper atomised people who treat each other as a convenience to be discarded at the hint of inconvenien…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:49 AM
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Do you ever wonder if this works the other way. Men required women to run the house which allowed men to work which allowed them to provide for their wife. I'm married but I spent multiple years living on my own and it was super easy. Something I don't think women understand is that while modern tech and the internet have freed them from most house work it's also freed men for being reliant on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:26 AM
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So then you agree some women are boring?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:16 AM
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Sorry are you arguing all women are interesting and that there are 0 boring women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 08:35 AM
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Sure but that's not what I was arguing. I'm saying you have to be interesting for people to find you interesting. The reason women say "guys are only interested in sex" is because they are the women who have nothing to offer other than sex, unless you count a shitty attitude as something to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:28 AM
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I married someone who I do find interesting. If I didn't I wouldn't have married her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:20 PM
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I'm in full agreement. Men who think they can buy love are retarded
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:18 PM
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And lots of guys don’t seem to like or have interest in women, aside from sex and whatever they think women can do for them This is just how men feel about everyone. If you have nothing to offer then we don't really want to be friends. Men don't want incompetent boring friends. The only reason men are "Only interested in sex" is because that's the only thing you're offering.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:46 AM
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Isn't the data on this showing that 95% of women would like to get married and have kids (in the right circumstances) but about 40% of women are going to never get married or have kids? To me that sounds like we're about a decade away from disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:43 AM
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Feminists deserve the benefit of doubt. No they don't. Any group that has this oppressed/oppressor view rather than right and wrong should be dismissed as evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:38 AM
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