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Yeah, I see loads of female breadwinners completely fine with them making the money and leaving all of it at the disposal of their male partner, John at as women expect male breadwinners to leave the earning at the disposal of women /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 07:34 AM
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There are many men who don’t feel they are required to be financially well off before having relationship And yet women consider such men degenerates who are unworthy or a relationship and injuring the value of the women they are with. No, I don't see where men get this idea that theyre inherently reviled come from. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:37 AM
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And in the real world the luckier or more talented get what they get, which is genuine attraction from women. You saying that the ugly, untalented men also get attraction from women by being sociable is delusional. Sure, you may think " oh they're a good vibe, women should like him" but that's a bias talking that wants to think women are more virtuous than they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:16 AM
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This is horseshit of the highest order. "It must happen because it a a just world" level justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 08:54 PM
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So what's wrong with applying a blanket standard which is to not talk to women then? And enforcing the reverse, prevent women from talking to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 01:29 PM
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So why do women consider it's a bad thing that men are advised to excise contact with women as much as possible then? I've been told that it's upsetting that I regard women as pointless to consider the option to ask out on dates or if they are attractive to refuse to say that. Like it's something that I'm robbing them of, instead of the truth that women find it offensive and it's better if they never know, and that only attractive men talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 11:53 AM
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As always, men like you seem to be so bamboozled by this. If you had said, “women get more attention than men and far more dating opportunities on average,” and then ENDED THERE…you’d get a lot of agreement from women. If you said “women get several hundred times the matches on apps,” and ENDED THERE, you’d get a lot of agreement from women. This is a bogus standard because you don't hold women to it. Women do not have the point they make get invalidated by going beyond how they're affected to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:53 AM
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Women think male attention is theirs by right to command and control.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:50 AM
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“I’m glad I’m married now and don’t have to date in the current dating scene cause it sucks” That's because he's articulating how shit it would be to go through the dating scene right now. If he'd said "I'm glad I don't have to date right now because all the women are unmitigated pieces of shit" like women get celebrated for saying about men you'd have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:48 AM
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They're higher up in the hierarchy however. There's a difference between "I can't get to work because I've got a flat tyre" and "I can't get to work because I've been carjacked and I've been dumped in the middle of nowhere"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 09:45 AM
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You aren't making the point that a behaviour is wrong. Or wrong for people in general to do. Only that's it's wrong if men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:29 PM
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Because you are describing it as a negative thing when it happens... ...if men do it. Only if men do it. Not if women do it. Not if people do it. Only when men do it. It's the same with a whole host of things. Dodgy relationship where there's a power dynamic? Not a problem if it's women with the upper hand. Coercive control? A phenomenon that concieved of as something men do to women. The other way around? Celebrated. Fucking celebrated. Domestic violence? Again, if a woman is the perpetrator it…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:22 PM
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You've said men only put effort into having sex as a form of self validation. Again, women also do that. I don't see anyone pointing out to them that they're wrong to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:09 PM
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Yeah right, the 40 year old women who beds teenagers is valorised by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:06 PM
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Did you not describe yourself as a slut? Idve thought that means you are as willing to use men to scratch the itch of sex in the same way that men get pilloried for
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:04 PM
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It's clear that you see men as beneath you, and then when you do have sex they're just a mean to an end for it. Why are you not self critical about your choices the way you criticise men for using women to scratch and itch the way you use men to scratch an itch?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:06 PM
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The women on question are getting exactly the same thing out of it as the men are. From their point of view, they're leagues ahead of those men in terms of desirability so it's not like the women feel anything for them. They're just using the men to scratch an itch, just like the men. How on earth are you critical of the men then and not critical of the women doing the exact same fucking thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:04 PM
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In that article is listed: acquittal of shoplifting charges murder charged dropped to manslaughter, with no imprisonment, only probation acquittal of drink driving offences acquittal of murder How are those not comically lenient?!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:33 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/future/article/20191213-pmdd-a-little-understood-and-often-misdiagnosed-condition An entire article making the case that women suffering from PMDD aren't truly responsible for their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:00 PM
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You asked if a woman would ever do such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:45 PM
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And women don't get vengeful?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:41 PM
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https://abcnews.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/scottish-womans-hormone-defense-to-explain-driving-rampage-falls-short-in-court
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:40 PM
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Women taunt men about how repulsive they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:29 PM
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Because it doesn't work. You can only get as far and recognising the utter pointlessness of talking to a woman, you can't get rid of wanting it. You've got to accept to broken and cursed futility of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:26 PM
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Why are you using hormones as an excuse for anything? It's an out there example, but you were happy enough in the previous post to cite it as something women should have to apologise for. Do men get that privilege? Last I saw, men also have hormones. I'm telling you right now a man blaming anything on his hormones would completely rightly be bollocked for hiding behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:24 PM
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So women don't publicly complain about men who have the audacity to talk them if they're too ugly to be seen? Come off it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:21 PM
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I dunno, if I crash a car because I'm having a bad day, I'm responsible for crashing a car and the damage it causes. The fact that a woman doing the same thing can just cite hormones that way you did and everything is fine seems insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:17 PM
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Isn't that just mirroring the language women use to describe undersiable man? As in, she can't stop at being him being ugly. That has to expand into being toxic, and short, and cruel, and unwatmre of how far below her he is, and even further to how he makes her feel disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:14 PM
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That woman only went to have a few drinks with him in the first place because he's physically attractive. She's not going to risk getting beer goggles for an ugly man, but if she wants some, she may well stack the deck. That way, she guarantees only have sex with the highly attractive men and get to claim that "oh he gave me good vibes, and I was just feeling it, nothing to do.with look"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:11 PM
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He was a religions man who waited until marriage. How much more of an undesirable desperate man could you get? He fits the description perfectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:08 PM
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So a woman who gets rejected if she's 30 or older is only being rejected because the man is trying to punish her?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:06 PM
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Women will defend women who are in the wrong. Women get more lenient criminal sentences that if they were a man. Women will with a straight face act like their mood swings absolves them of the responsibility of what they did for those mood swings and have other women defend it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:03 PM
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Ie, the concept that she is rejecting those men hasn't even crossed his mind. And if she was entertaining the advances, what then? Usually the response becomes that she's not responsible for that, either
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:00 PM
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Women are wonderful can't ever be contradicted
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:57 PM
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Women learn how to be good in bed Do they? Or do women learn that they're already amazing and perfect to begin with, so anything that's wrong is not their fault, but the man's?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:15 PM
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He's not blaming her. He's just not dealing with the bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:13 PM
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Being “desired” unless that desire translates to actual tangible benefit” doesn’t mean anything to women And yet if a man says he's not going to bother with a woman because he's not going to benefit from it he's a vicious selfish bastard
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:12 PM
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You're missing the point entirely. It's that the previous men were on a she actually desired versus you who she doesn't. And the way you can tell that is that even if she's the most vanilla or vanilla women, if you always have to do more for her than she ever asked nr expected of the other men for her to want to be around you, the difference can only be down to she doesn't desire you whereas she did desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:09 PM
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Why can't women get blasted for their insecurities then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:04 PM
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prefer the friends to lovers route Doesn't that make you a deceptive liar who wastes men's time and poisons the well?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:09 AM
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I think he is a victim, and could also be a moron True enough for both men and women. Why then can you not say this about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:06 AM
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It sounds like you think that “empathy for men” means women should change to think like men The advice women give here essentially boils down to making men think like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:27 PM
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Therapists would tell you this is the place to use 'I' statements instead of 'you' statements. It isn't 'you play videogames too much,' it's 'I want to do X with you during your videogame time' or whatever. Their perception doesn't really matter, which is why making it more accurate almost never does anything to defuse the argument. Their feeling that they want X matters. That just means her perceptions and what she wants are more important than his perceptions and what he wants. If anything thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:26 PM
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In what way is it a non sequitur? What is the means by which you can demonstrate your capability and improve knowledge etc etc, in the time you spend not doing your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:18 PM
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People face career setbacks when they have career interruptions. You seriously think that doesn't happen to a single woman who decides she's going to spend 3 years "finding herself" across south east Asia and south America?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:48 PM
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That 1/3 of the time that's he suspects he's been cuckolded, he's right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:46 PM
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The playing games thing isn't about how much you actually play but how that feels for the other person. If they feel neglected you could play half an hour a week it wouldn't change anything. Same with having sex. You could get sex once a week and still feel grumpy about it only being once a week despite statistics saying it is average. At this point women are trying to have it both ways. That their perception of what's happening is more important than reality if he's only playing games for half …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:45 PM
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That's not even logically consistent
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:32 PM
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I'm sure that because of the disparity of sentencing that exists, women wouldn't ever face the death penalty, just men. Knowing that, why wouldn't women support it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:10 PM
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So why can't I as a man say to a woman that nothing about her is good enough for me to even consider her, the way women can to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:08 PM
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Women say men are so suit that they have to take what they get, that it's actively offensive not to treat a woman like the sun shines out of her arsehold because amongst other reasons, "shes so.kuch more accomplished that him, he's lucky she's agreed to.meet him.in the first place, he's never going to get a chance with someone so amazing" It's women who state that men are so shit and pathetic and functionally ugly and vile and you mad at men taking what women say word for word without question? …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:45 AM
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Modern women are typically lonely and, much like a lot of men, have had their brains turned to mush by harmful social media algorithms. Except that's not the case because women say that they're fine and perfect and completely uninfluenced by social media as opposed to the pathetic stupid men. And given that we must take what women say as gospel what you just stated here cant be true. being single is harder on everyone, men, women, and NBs, Again, women say they're great, why would being single h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:40 AM
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And what makes you think the men have more of a say than the women do in those situations? Do you really think the charectistic arranged marriage is some 30 year old man with some 18 year old woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:30 AM
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You've never heard women bitch about how all the men aren't good enough for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:51 PM
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She's at fault for agreeing to a marriage she didn't want. It didn't just happen to her, she has responsibility for at least that. What you seem to think is akin to a person who never maintains their car having their brakes fail when a car cuts them off resulting in a serious injury thinking there was nothing they could have done and nothing was their fault. Would you think a man on an arranged marriage to a woman who he dislikes is not at fault? Of course not. What changes if it's a woman then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:50 PM
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Because when you describe it it not a description of being lonely. Its a description of "everything is beneath me".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:12 PM
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I know of some men even who didn’t really want to be married, but he proposed to his wife because he felt that’s what he was supposed to do. Then he's a weak piece of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:02 PM
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A good friend of mine has parents in an arranged marriage, and her mom is lonely despite having built a life with a man. That's her fault and her problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:01 PM
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Why is it a valid question of fairness when it comes to women though? Why can't we mock and deride women who can't get the men they want. I've never seen this energy to tell a woman to "go and find a way to cope with the fact you're ugly, life's unfair, deal with it, you aren't entitled to be happy"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:00 PM
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I don't know why when this energy is mirror d by men we get shit on for it. Women's problem aren't any only our concerned but when you say that your some kind of evil bastard apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:27 PM
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I wouldn't say cruel but certainly not interested. Which is absolutely fine by the way, but what's the point in trying to appeal to people who you never will appeal to? That's just a futile excersize in masochism and any attention you may get us nothing more than proof that you have no backbone and that there's no depths you'll plumb for even derision from women. I wouldn't respect that, nor would I expect anyone else to
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:36 PM
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What would be the point in actively feeding myself to the wolves?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:31 PM
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So you think people are unattractive and have no sexual or romantic attention at all. Then they become attractive and get sexual and romantic attention. But despite the change being in attractiveness only, the reason people are interested in them after the change has got nothing to do with attractiveness. Really?!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:43 PM
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I'm saying they should be honest and admit it's about looks, not the bullshit about personality. At the very least, it shows they are honest and will say what they actually think. Which makes listening to what they have to say far more valuable than someone who will swear blind that looks have nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:03 PM
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It's resentment that they are lying to your face about it being about a charecteristic you always had, rather than you now looking good. It may not be nice, but at least the person going "oh, you're hot now" is actually being honest. The one going "I never noticed before but you're intelligent etc etc" is the lying one there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:50 PM
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So people don't suddenly try and cite things about them which have always been there as a reason to like them? Surely you can seen that when you "glow up" and people start describing your temperament or intelligence - all things that were true pre "glow up" - that it will make people think that those reasons are not the case. Because then they are lying to you, and that is unattractive and enough to trigger a disgust reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:48 PM
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Because it's never the case that they claim to be attracted to the person because theyre hot. They claim to be attracted to them because they're "a good person" or something else which is clearly false.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:49 PM
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If you routinely say things you don't believe, you are a liar then. What's wrong with being taken at your word? I've had lots of things said at me, and when asked why I then treat them definitely, I cite what they said. There's no comeback from that. I believe what I say has meaning, that's why I wouldn't insult someone for something I don't think is bad. If I insult then for something I think is a bad thing, and they don't, at least I'm being honest. I'm not trying to hurt someone, I'm simply s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:24 AM
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If you go around using the fact that being blonde is insulting, then it wouldn't be strange for people to think that you think ill of blonde people. Given that you are happy to use it as an insult, and be known to use it as an insult, it must therefore be the case that you look down on blonde people. Why the insistence that you shouldn't be taken at your word?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:46 PM
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You can't insult someone by using a word you think is a good thing about them. Nobody goes round saying "oh you're tall, good looking, wealthy" as insults, because it makes no sense to insult someone by telling things that are good about them. You insult someone be telling what's bad about them. So by definition, if you insult someone as "short, bald, poor, ugly" that means that you think those are bad things to be. You can't weasel your way out of that. If you don't think that's a bad thing abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:43 PM
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Or just thinks that because it's a woman doing it, it can't be bad because women are never bad
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:32 PM
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Why are you arguing in favour of ignoring boundaries being fine if the consequences for doing so aren't as great as ignoring them in other situations? It's a blanket statement, not a qualified one. There's no wriggle room here. Not for men. Not for women. This argument boils down to nothing more than "it doesn't really count is a woman does it" l, which stinks to high heaven.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:31 PM
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Pretending and then later showing your true colours feels like a betrayal. Women do this and it's encouraged
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:54 AM
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That not the viewpoint being communicated in any of these articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:26 AM
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The women are using it for emotional companionship I imagine a sycophantic yes man is what they imagine an appropriate level of emotional connection actually is. The women already have good interpersonal skills, the boys do not, and AI isn’t helping. If they had good interpersonal skills, they wouldn't have to rely on AI. They're exactly the sort of people who, if male, you'd be crying incel at and trying to hound them out of society. Where's that energy? They're clearly just as utterly pathetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:20 AM
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One person having a feast and another scraping crumbs together doesn't mean both were fed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:13 AM
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The love bombing only works if he's attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:56 AM
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Women. If men say that they don't want to help women because it's not their job to, all hell breaks loose despite the same sentiment the other way round being completely fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:46 PM
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And when the aren't apparently it's a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:42 PM
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If what women were attracted to were perfectly randomly distributed then there wouldn't be clustering of attraction around a few men, there'd be an even distribution. The fact that even culturally speaking, there are men we recognise as attractive, men we regard as average and men we regard as ugly shows that womens attraction has some degree of commonality. And since the attraction of women is highly skewed towards a minority of men (so much so that if you used a Gini coefficient to describe it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:57 PM
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Talking to women, if you ask them straight up how many men in real life they encounter that they think are attractive they wont say more than 2 or 3 %
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:53 PM
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Women say they only find less than 1-2 % of the men they see around as attractive. That discounts them.from seeing average men as attractive. And that's way before you get to being sexually excited and aroused
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:43 PM
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What's inaccurate about that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:33 PM
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Exactly. So despite what is being said, women may well derive sexual excitement from being being desired, but only if the man desiring them is valuable i.e. attractive themselves. This just proves that being ugly or average means that there's no point talking to women, and any woman saying she's interested in you is lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:57 PM
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So an ugly man desiring her is going to work for her the same as an attractive man desiring her? I doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:39 PM
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So the men chased a sexual experience prioritising their own desires. You descred a woman doing this, and it was fine. A man doing it? Evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:29 PM
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Women are not delusional about how men think.of the women they hook.up with. WE KNOW. If women know they why do they say that they get hurt by men using them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:15 PM
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What is important though, is the guy you just hook up with is nothing but an animated sex toy. That's it. Nothing. Oh to see your reaction to men describing women like that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:12 PM
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Most women will say they only find a tiny fraction of the men they see attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:06 PM
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"Women's attraction is all about themselves" Pack it up lads, no way we can compete with a mirror. In all seriousness, this does mean the people saying that a man having to put effort for a woman is never going to who she wants is always going to be correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:02 PM
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For most women, mannerisms and how a man moves, speaks, smells, etc. is part of attraction All true but they can't take notice of every man's movement, smells speech etc etc. That requires paying attention to him. They pay attention to the tall attractive man, they evaluate the tall attractive man. They aren't doing that for anyone else, you can be ugly and have immaculate movement, speech smell, etc, but none of it can be seen because your looks stop anyone from observing that in you. Nobody is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:04 AM
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There's WAY more foul men than there are foul women, that's a fact. Whenever a woman says reasons for breaking up, its almost always "he cheated" or "he had a secret side family" or "he wanted to do 50/50 on the bills while I did all house chores cooking cleaning by myself" or "alchoholic abuser". It's NEVER "he wasn't rich enough" or "he wasn't hot enough". So yeah the water you find in the desert has a much higher probability of being clean than the shit water I have in abunance down in the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:24 PM
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Women love sex. This is a weird take. Yeah, they do. And they're just a degenerate as men about it. The idea that women have exclusively responsive desire is easily disproved when you observe how women act with the attractive men they desire. It's pretty damn spontaneous. People change. This rigid thinking is demonstrative of poor partnership ability. Even with a near-perfect match, both of you will change and evolve in the relationship. People aren't just static. The rigid thinking is necessary…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:17 PM
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It's the women who settle that view their partners as shitboxes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:01 PM
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And it's why a lot of people don't start dating specifically with the goal of finding a life partner. Again, not if youre a man. Then you are a manipulative sex addict monster. She's not going to be able to explain a preference that isn't borne of experience before she has experience. Hell, you're one step away from arguing that someone can only date one race...and that if they switch up and date someone of another race that they 'aren't really attracted to' that 2nd race. If they go round sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:25 AM
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Yes, how does ending up partnered mean they caught a woman's attention. Catching their attention is more than just having something mundane. Those men are the box with 4 wheels vs a coach built Rolls Royce coming the other way. You'll be driving the shit box, passing other shit boxes that don't catch you eye, but one of those comes along and you'll notice. That is catching your attention. Ending up partnered doesnt mean you aren't just the shit box. Utilitarian, and indistinguishable. A car you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:39 AM
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I'd rather be looking for water in the desert than looking for clean water in a sewer. And thats assuming that the water in the desert isn't as foul as the sewer water. What's with this belief that the men are shit and the women are wonderful. Women are just as bad as men, the water is just as foul, you get more of it. My ugly or fat female friends get no dates either and in the rare occasion that they do, it's only to get pumped and dumped, and that's not a "win" for them - they will not orgasm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:36 AM
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What's the difference if everyone is socialised to think that all women are better and more attractive that men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:18 AM
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Most men in real life do catch women's attention How is that possibly true?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:14 AM
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Feminism isn't exactly clamouring to correct the leniency women get in criminal convictions as an example. On the contrary, it seeks to increase it. That's hardly an attempt to establish equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 02:13 AM
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I'm not sure you can banter with everyone. I can banter with my friends, I can banter with people in a football ground. Speak that way to anyone in a normal social context innt going to end well
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:01 PM
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Again, you banter with friends. Id banter with friends. If one of them then said they liked me I'd ask what the fuck was wrong with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:23 PM
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Okay, but what if all of that is just her being immature, or parroting things from her friend group when she has literally 0 experience and doesn't know any better? Doesn't matter, she's an adult and immaturity isn't an excuse or an explanation. It's only an excuse and an explanation for children. Just because she later realizes 5'6" men aren't a bad experience for her, doesn't mean she's faking her attraction, or that she's secretly harboring a preference for a 6' tall guy even after she's been…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:02 PM
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Would you rather he date the 5'6" guy, marry him, and then wonder about taller guys once one of her friends suddenly mentions that she likes her partner's height? Of course not, but I can't control what she feels. I can only make sure to shit her out and never let her back in if this is something she's curious about. For the best for both of us. This way she gets the shove out to justify her sleeping with the tall men it turns out she always wanted to. Or would you rather she date a taller dude,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:47 PM
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This point does not make sense. The point is that women have different preferences. Women will already have developed their preferences prior to meeting men because these form during their childhood and adolescence. She doesn't "need" experience to develop that preference. And because these preferences develop wildly differently because there are billions of people, instead of spending time arguing with women who have different preferences, why not spend that time dating the women who are open t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:06 PM
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Banter is a precursor to flirting. Compliments are not banter, or flirting. They are more overt statements that more clearly signal desire. That's not flirting. The point of banter is that it's a harmless way of testing the waters. If she banters back, she might be interested. If she doesn't, she isn't. If she banters back, maybe try some light flirting and see if she recriprocates that. If she doesn't, she isn't into it, stop. If she does, keep going. So what is flirting then? You keep saying f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:48 PM
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Average men test the waters of flirting by bantering. If a woman is laughing and enjoying his presence - and there seem to be no shortage of men who are capable of doing this, though they often overdo it - then he's already part of the way there. From there, it's simple. Flirting is suggestive, but not explicit. So guys saying "you're hot" or giving her "you're beautiful" compliments isn't flirting. Those are oversimplified expressions of desire that remove all mystery You genuinely think all me…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:57 PM
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You are so obsessed with "ugly" men. We are talking about average men, not basement dwelling freaks with mutated faces, no social skills, obesity, and frail arms, and genetic disproportionism. Are you going to respond to the points made? Or just continue to use "ugly men" as a strawman for why so many average guys are struggling and turning to inceldom Are you going to respond to the point that flirting is a mutual activity? You are shitting on men for being bad at flirting, but they can't flirt…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:13 PM
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Hard to make that call when these men don't know how to be decent company without becoming spineless people pleasers, and refuse to develop basic social skills like banter, or even flirting without fumbling by becoming desperate, horny fuckers because they still don't know what flirting is. What is flirting then? As far as I'm back tell.its just having a normal conversation with a woman with mutual escalation and pushing of boundaries. Again, this means that you can't flirt as an ugly man becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:43 PM
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By acting like a court jester and going on a Sisyphean task to constantly keep it. Oh yeah, sounds reasonable that when of youre the man she wants you don't have to try. Maybe, just maybe, having to try to get their attention is a big flashing neon sign saying "she's not got Ng to want to know you". After all, that's what women want. They don't want men to get their attention, then only want the attractive, desirable men to get their attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:17 AM
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What's gendered is the support/outcry for it. Woman comments domestic violence, there must have been a reason, let it go etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:14 AM
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Are your dates emotional needs your responsibility? No. Then why are your emotional needs his responsibility then. And as for showing affection, you are only going to accept if from the peopem you want to accept it from. Using as a tool to get close to someone is fucked up. Keeping me as backup option Come on, it's women who will date multiple men, it's not the women being kept around as backup options Could be that they stopped being into you (they will never communicate why), they found someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:12 AM
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People are free to choose, but they absolutely should be judged on it,. People are judged all the time on their choices, and it shouldn't be any different if you get an arranged marriage or anything else. Would you personally choose to relinquish all control over who you are allowed to meet and feel attracted to? Really? If you are the sort of person who'd do that, what else would you relinquish control over to avoid responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:02 AM
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The point is women will do all these things, think that they're justified in doing them, and still think they're morally superior to men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:19 AM
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That's just embedding a female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:47 AM
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How? If she wants to take money to have sex with a man that's her choice. If she didn't she wouldn't do it. It's not like she's being treated or coerced.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:25 AM
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What I was responding to was a comment saying consent wrt sex if different to consent with anything else. Which it isn't, consent is consent. If you do think no is no for sex but isn't no for other things then you flat out don't believe in that no means no as a universal principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:19 AM
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If a woman says no to me and her having sex it means no. In exactly the same way I mean no if she wants to talk to me and I say no. In both cases to take the no and you leave. Just because in one example its conversation and not sex that's involved doesn't means for that the no is in question, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:08 AM
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Where did you get the idea that I thought a no didn't mean no?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:24 PM
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You think someone saying no should be ignored?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:21 PM
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I don't see why. Saying no should be understood the same way whether it's a woman saying no to sex or someone saying they don't want to talk
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:10 PM
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So if you are having to agree to a monetary or equivalent benefit then you can't truly consent as there's a power dynamic? How does not extend to a load of things, even like only agreeing to a date if the other person pays for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:50 PM
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Agreed. But she wants you to play those games instead. Fuck those games.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:24 PM
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Attractive people are dime a dozen, especially when men and women are younger. So women can fall back on their attractiveness I their youth and know they have something to offer, whilst can fall back on the complete graveyard of their youth when they're at their best and conclude correctly that they're fucked. Men miss the plot with this because they assume women only find one man attractive. In reality, they can find many men attractive, but that simply isn't actionable until he demonstrates mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:23 PM
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This is literally one of the biggest reasons some guys are falling behind here. "Chads" understand they need to interact with women to elicit attraction in women who have the potential to have it. You can interact with women fine knowing there's no potential for attraction. Being sociable doesn't mean you're attractive. Being attractive just means women want to socialise with not as friends. And that does happen unconsciously within a second. Conventional wisdom says women should maximize their …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:59 PM
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It's not my responsibility to make someone notice me if they don't want to notice me
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:36 PM
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If they got with someone they don't like, why would I believe them if they say "but actually I do like you". Similarly if they previously got with someone who was 'better than nothing' what wrong with questioning them to their face if I'm just better than nothing. If they've used somebody before as a placeholder, how am I not also just a placeholder. It might be a male and female behaviour, but women for some reason think men should be called out for it and face the judgement for it but women sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:59 PM
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Most women just interact normally with men, unless those men are strangers, and then they treat them identical to how people treat panhandlers. They aren't sitting there making value judgments of how to treat them based on looks, generally. And most guys are "average" definition of the word, and women can find average guys attractive, but their attraction requires more than just looks. Especially for women who don't have casual sex, they require getting to know him first.. Nobody here is talking…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:54 PM
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I'm brown, so this: It is also inaccurate to say women only do arranged marriages due to pressure and desperation. Is sadly something I'm that I have seen as super pervasive. Millions of people of people are in arranged marriages - how ridiculous to claim all these men are ugly and worthless. Go ask one their opinion? It's pretty clear what women think of most brown men. Being a brown woman doesn't change that, nor should it. "Because he/she is the same race as me" isn't a description of attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:03 PM
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Women routinely say the man they settled for are shorter than the men in there 20s, as well as uglier, and for whom they asked more. And that they don't find home as attractive or, have as much desire for, and fine less exciting, and the men on their 20s are ones she's still fantasising about. That's in women's own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:53 PM
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Many of them are actively looking for boyfriends and tired of dealing with nonchalant slackers This I believe, but they're only actively looking amongst a subset of men. If you are not amongst the subset of men, nothing you can do is of value to them. If nothing you do is of value, why bother entertaining them? Theyd be as nonchalant as the men they are moaning about (which is a common theme, decrying actions only when its men doing it) or "nice" boys with no personality who stare at them but ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:50 PM
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Good enough to know that if she's with a man with a charecteristic she's denounced previously that's she's in some trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:42 PM
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Good. So whata the problem then with correctly identifying women as not an option and not worth bothering with using the lack of effort then? If you go and talk and have to carry the conversation, that's enough to know not to continue, and not to go back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:40 PM
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It is an either or if you can't buy tickets to the event. It just shows the lack of interest the woman has in you, so when you know that why would you even do the simple thing? I like steak and wine. They go well together. I don't eat steak specifically so I can drink wine. I don't drink wine as an excuse to cook a steak. I can enjoy them separately, quite well. It just happens that they go great together. Again, if you would not have either steak or wine on their own as it wouldnt be good enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:38 PM
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Because men crack down on sons, and women empathise with their daughters. If I, like most men were to go to my parents for advice, my mother wouldn't understand and my father would say it's my shit to deal with. That absolutely wouldn't happen with my sister. It's the same thing as the in group bias women have and the bias towards women men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:34 PM
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Tons of attractive young women who haven't been on a date or had sex in a year or more. And you believe them when they say that? How gullible do you need to be? If one of them said they found you attractive would you also believe that? and there are beautiful women just begging to be asked out, they just want a little bit of a connection first. You should try speaking to women, or even reading what they have to say and that's never actually the case. No woman has ever got to the stage where they…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:32 PM
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I presume being a woman you'd be far more forgiving of indiscretions committed by daughters as opposed to sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:00 PM
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Women also have to convey interest, even if they don't make the first move. Maybe they should, but let's be realistic, if they don't they aren't alone. Women talk about being alone for months at most. Not decades. And that's for time between having sex or being wine and dined on a date. Every woman who's alone for years has had the FWBs, the sneaky links etc etc during that time that they aren't counting. Nonchalant women also get left behind. Again, that doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:58 PM
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Who in this situation are you proposing is “cycling” through sexual experiences? Men or women? Statistically, it will be equal. If 1 man is having sex with all the women, then he is the one doing the cycling, not the women. So stop insinuating that women are sluts when that doesn’t add up. You were insinuating that women being in relationships and having sex and being half the population meant that men were also participating at a similar rate. I gave an example thats statistically the same but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:54 PM
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Where does a mother come in? Why does she have anything to say, and why is it only regarding her son who she wants to control and not her daughter? You are only saying things arent right once it becomes something that can happen to women. When you think it could only happen to men, it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:39 PM
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Bollocks. Do you say women should put effort towards men for the purpose of earning their interest? Of course not because it's demeaning to the woman. In which case neither should men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:34 PM
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Again, men shouldn't do it, but another thing women are encouraged to do. In which case, why can't men do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:31 PM
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And yet you tell a women she's just a starter wife, she's not going to take that well. Almost as thats not a good thing to describe someone - except if youre a woman actualling that way regarding men, then its fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:30 PM
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Again, there's nothing that the women has to do in your description. Yet we see women will put in effort for men that are attractive. Therefore, if there is no effort from a woman, there's no point. Effort becomes a perfect barometer for if a woman actually has attraction to you. And if she's not attracted to you, nothing will make her attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:21 PM
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Common parlance for women is the starter boyfriend and the starter husband. Men are objects that are traded in constantly by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:13 PM
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I just used that as an example. But as this is a discussion about men not engaging with women and that being the cause of the lack of relationships. I'm just flipping that round and seeing if it's seen the same way. Women not engaging with men. That's not seen as an issue. Therefore men not engaging with women isn't an issue. Any argument you have regarding men not making effort, women not getting offers etc etc that come ls downstream of that is therefore irrelevant. You say that men acting dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:11 PM
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And they are called out for it. So would women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:52 PM
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Because if you then tell women, "you're probably gay/bi" they flip out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:48 PM
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If dating around is what gives you knowledge and worth, doesn't that prove that men who aren't as prodigous and women in dating and sleeping around aren't worth it for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:45 PM
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You do have a basic knowledge of mathematics, don’t you? If half the population are men, and half are women, then for every woman having a relationship or sexual experience is also a man having one. (Not including gay community). Not if there's an imbalance between men and women in how many people of the opposite sex then can spend time with. If there are 10 men and 10 women, and 10 sexual encounters, that's not proof that each person is involved. That condition can be fulfilled with each woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:39 PM
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It's "despite her past" because the men she's with aren't at the level of the men in her past. Therefore she can't value him like she did those men, or enjoy him like she did those men, or appreciate his like she did those men. Lowering herself to him creates a debt to her in the woman's mind that the man can't ever repay, and that means he can't truly make her happy. Her "having a past" means entering a situations in which nothing you do or are can every be valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:36 PM
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The point is that women do it all the time. What's wrong with doing it to women? Nobody thinks it makes them more attractive, it's about getting on a level playing field. If someone does something shitty to you, the best response to get them to stop is to do the shitty thing to them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:27 PM
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Would you have turned down her getting tickets to a local band playing in a pub? Said that it's not good enough, and that's she'd need to come up with a better offer if you were going to enjoy going to a gig with her? If you had, then yes, I'd say you don't enjoy spending time with your wife
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:25 PM
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She's going to act distant and be confused why you didn't talk to her. Acting distant is just levelling the palying field.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:16 PM
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Obviously they're mutually exclusive if what's she excited about is the event you are going to and not the opportunity to spend time with you. The former is dependent on the venue, the latter isn't. If I were to ask a woman to a fancy restaurant on a date, she's not excited to spend time with me. All her effort and anticipation is for the event, maybe to meet a man there. I'd just be the way she gets there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:15 PM
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Why do you say its mens coldness and not men calibrating themselves to womens interest in them. I'm hardly going to pretend a women is anything other than going to see me as beneath her. Her perception of me will devalue in her eyes anything and everthing I do. Knowing that, what's the point of not being cold to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:12 PM
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The point is you had to buy your way in. She's not excited to spend time with you, it's only the restaurant, event etc. that you had to sort put that holds her interest. You are just the means to what's she's excited about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:05 PM
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I'm talking about a situation where despite talking to you, it's only because her freinds or teammates or whatever have left, and not because she's actually interested in you. For example, on a night out, and deciding to speak to a man expecting him to buy her a drink for the privilege. She may learn lots about him in that conversation, but as her initial intent was to use him, any subsequent connection that's established is tainted and diseased. Isn't that what women say about speaking to men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:03 PM
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Bollocks, you can improve and withhold it from her the same way she's withholding from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:58 PM
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Because the defend women doing the same actions that they criticise men for. They can only do that because the principle they are adhering to isn't that x or y is a bad thing to do to someone, it's that men are always wrong and women are always justified
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:57 PM
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By not choosing to talk to me or similar as a shit option they were forced into.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:54 PM
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Its worthless if the reason they noticed that in you was because they were bored, not because they liked you. It's like when people try to butter you up to get you to do something. It's makes whatever they said bitter, and disingenuous. So much so that when you can tell that you will reflexively go "can I please stop you. No I won't do what you want now can you fuck off. See how I didn't need to butter you up before asking for what I wanted from you first?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:50 PM
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Does anyone? When they're not there to enjoy your company, but to distract themselves with food until their hookup is free?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:48 PM
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Oh no, the prospects are going from zero to zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:15 AM
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So what's the issue with ghosting then? Surely thats the best thing to do, you as a man shouldn't say that you like or dislike something she does because that could influence and therefore pressure her. She should be free to make her choice and if that doesn't work you should disappear and cut her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:54 PM
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Their choices? It's perfectly normal for a woman tomjudge a man based on his choices, what's the issue with it the other way round?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:57 PM
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That's why I don't get it when people are morally outraged when a woman has sex with a "lowlife". You shouldn't be outraged but you should be able to judge them on it, same as a man and ho only sleeps with junkie women will be judged for it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:46 PM
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you look like you just got punched in the face and skulk away without trying to de-escalate, as understandable as it is, you actually put giant strain on them because now they are feeling bad for you and their couple of hours at gym are truly ruined over something that they never had control over. They won't feel anything about it, let alone feel bad about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:38 PM
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He's highlighting that women see it's as a viable way to treat men. If gender swapping it makes it wrong to do then it was always bad to do and women shouldn't be doing it in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:51 PM
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That's fine, but turning round and saying you're so worried that you'd never go out in public is hyperbolic
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:08 PM
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If women were wery they wouldn't date. They wouldn't fuck. A mind bendingly long time to not have sex for a woman is barely a few months. It's never decades. Unless that's the time between dates for women, saying women are weary of dating and fucking men is hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:27 PM
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Women think dating men is always risky. And yet women routinely go.out and pursue casual relationships, which can only happen if they want the man enough to overcome the risk. So if a woman has overcome the risk to have a one night stand more often than to date an ugly man, she values the one night stand man more
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:05 PM
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And yet women still routinely pursue it all the same
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:41 PM
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even if small is genuine and respectful for the most part. Bold assumption. How is it genuine and respectful if her attention is because she couldn't get the man she wanted? Or it turns out out it's only because she thinks she so far above you you can't possible refuse? Or she's subconsciously (or lets face it, consciously) trying to punish herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 02:41 PM
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I’m not talking about burdens that mean you shouldn’t date - those are big, such as debts, drug/alcohol problems, serial cheating, toxicity/narcissism etc Only the case for men, women are fine ro eate woth such issues. Considering women have learnt since puberty how to deal with monthly pain, weekly hormonal fluctuations and stress, as opposed to men who maybe just get kicked in the balls by mates every now and then, I’d say we are far more capable of dealing with that. Yep, the proof that you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:45 AM
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You responded to my initial statement as if I had said men don't have mood swings when I did no such thing. So given that, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you think it's acceptable that men have to accept from women. No one gets to be a jackass - men or women. Women categorically do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:39 AM
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Except, a relationship is to share burdens and grow together in times of distress. In sickness and in health. That’s what it’s about. Have people ever got into a relationship with someone with that as the driving force and ever not been someone who's given up? As a man, if you have burdens, your are told you shouldn't date as its not right to put that on a woman. You are told that its pointless to being dating of you aren't complete and the full article. You certainly can't be a man in distress,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:36 AM
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I don't think men having mood swings justifies them being cunts, no. I've had to bear the brunt of men having mood swings at me and it's not great, I've let them know I'm not having it and that they can fuck right off with it. The idea that if its a woman doing it I should accept it is mindbendingly preposterous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:23 AM
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If you're an adult you don't push the burden of your problems onto anyone else. You don't snap at people no matter how exhausted or pissed off you are. And if you do slip up, it's not their fault, it's yours. Why should men try and take as much of the burdens off her plate when she won't do the same for him? His responsibilities are his to fulfill, and her responsibilities are hers to fulfill. And if he's failing at his responsibilities it certainly doesn't justify him snapping at her and making…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:19 AM
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Like I said, justifies abuse. If I were to shout at someone, abuse them or hurt them, my emotional / hormonal state would not be an excuse. If I were to meet a man that says "Just to let you know, once a month I'm going to sack off work and abuse you cause of reasons, if it affects you tough shit, just deal with it" I'd want nothing to do with him. Why should I expect it from a woman? If something affects you adversely that's one thing, using it as justification to be a dickhead is another. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:10 AM
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What are mood swings referring to then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:00 AM
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That's not the same as having the financial and emotional responsibility dumped on you them, and them having mood swings allowing them to periodically abuse you. That's reasonable to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:58 PM
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And deal with mood swings?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:53 PM
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deal with her mood swings, or take on financial and physical responsibilities. Who would?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:52 PM
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They are there to socialise with their friend, not with you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 03:12 PM
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I’ve always advocated for extended social circles where you and your friends always kinda know each other and are familiar with each other’s behavior. We're talking about asked Ng women out, why the hell would you do that withing an extended social circle. Everyone within it is on a box labelled friendship and you can't break them out of it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:53 PM
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When a woman likes you, she wants to be near you, she’ll invite you to come closer, if you talk about something you’re doing after work, she’ll be enthusiastic to hear about it. This is obvious, and clear. Yet you are amongst the people who will claim that men should take it upon themselves to "put themselves out there" and talk to women who don't do this, and clearly don't want those men anywhere near them. I've said before, that if a women doesn't seem excited to see you then you shouldn't eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:03 PM
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If that's the case how can the vast majority of individuals do things that call be called misogynistic? As they do not have power. Most men don't have power, so following your logic they can be as dismissive and hateful of women but their lack of power means they can never do anything that qualifies as misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:23 PM
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So why when this happens is the man at fault, and not the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 12:17 PM
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Look if going to see a film - or any other similarly mundane thing - reminds you of an ex and you find that so distracting you can't focus on the task at hand, youre still attached to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:23 AM
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It doesn't matter because she's always going to have access to sex to keep her self esteem up, and when she does want a child shell just go fine and 18 year old to knock her up quick fast. At no point will a woman who doesn't want a man, want a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:14 PM
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It matters because it's evidence that she doesn't actually like you. Now it's not you job to make her like you, and nor is it her fault either. It just means she doesn't like you and you should leave
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:12 PM
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As a woman I do think I am a better judge on the way women think and behave, yes How can you square this with "all women aren't a hivemind"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:54 PM
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That's bullshit, if they didn't want to be reminded of their ex, they wouldn't go on about their ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 10:47 PM
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You don't build a life to suit your friend and that cannot be bought.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:08 PM
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Seems an empty life if all you are there for in to provide funds. If she's not attracted to you, where and why has the need to be with you come from? If it's not there it sounds like friendship, and no matter how intense and deep that is nobody should be building a life to serve a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:51 PM
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But it was never like that… they were always attracted to a combination of looks, confidence, success, and all that… but young guys in their early 20s etc. just don’t HAVE any of the other stuff. The attractive man never had any of that either but women still go for him. That can only be because they're attracted to him so much it doesn't matter, but the rest of us require the other stuff to barter our way in to a date with a woman that doesn't find us attractive. That's a terrible deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:00 AM
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Why? Surely from a woman's point of view it's desirable? You can cut out ever having to interact with a great swath of the underclass, no man you ever talk to or see is going to be attractive to you, you'll all be happier
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:08 AM
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What's the point in trying to solve it? Women want the minority of attractive men and steps to change that are pointless and only delay that. The best thing to prevent this is just not interacting with women so that their desire comes true. They won't disparage men once they only men they ever have the option to interact with are the good looking ones. That's truly the only guaranteed way you'll get women to stop hating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:02 AM
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Are women going to stop? Not a chance. Why would anyone party stop when they consider what they are doing as a reasonable act, and themselves as morally superior as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:40 PM
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Quite similar to the story about Krishna and Kansa, where Kansa is told his eighth born nephew will kill him, so he decides to imprison his sister and brother-in-law, kill all the babies his sister births and when questioned by his minister as to why he won't just spare his nephews and kill the eighth one replies "if you draw a circle and draw eight dots within it, how am I to tell which is the first and which is the eighth?". It's meant to show how monstrous and evil a being he is, but now this…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 11:37 PM
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But when you did it at the time you will have had your justifications, so what were they?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:46 PM
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That's pointless
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:58 PM
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At what point were you interested in a conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:26 PM
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Why do you need to communicate to them that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:25 PM
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You aren't leaving it days or weeks though right? Anyone saying that the men should be giving women grace that can't respond in reasonable time are all just advocating for those men wasting their own time and self esteem
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:01 PM
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Why'd you argue against it on the first pint then if you thought it's only undesirable men involved here? It on women best interests not to ever have to deal with them and only with the minority of men they actually find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:54 PM
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You'd respond "I'm busy" at least
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:49 PM
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Has she announced it? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:48 PM
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If a woman is only excited to get things from you but doesn't value spending time with you in of itself, she's not going to feel pressed about bothering to talk to you is she? So if she's just not talking to you, she's out. Also, her not talking to you is a lot like the ghosting you think women never do. All I'm proposing is that men, rather than making a big issue about it, just read the writing on the wall and follow suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:43 PM
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Why? It also assumes that it matters to the other person. The scenario is all about a woman that doesn't care and has checked out. That means that nothing you can do or say matters to her or can upset her. So what's the point of hanging about just so you can claim that you haven't ghosted? It's an action that has no point to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:34 PM
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Where did I say it's feminine? I said I've observed it's justified when women do it. And if it's fine for women to do then it's fine for men to do, this is justifiable behaviour for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:20 PM
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Justified, not feminine. If you're playing a sport and the other team are getting physical, the appropriate response is to match them, not back off and let them win. If it's wrong, it would be wrong for both sides to do it. If you notice flying elbows and knees not being punished by the referee, well then, it's open season. Maybe it descends into a violent farce, but that's the only way to get it punished if you don't like it, moaning at the referee isn't going to help, that's just being weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 03:16 PM
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"I don't want to continue the relationship, I wish you the best"? You think if a woman cares about being sent that, that's it's because it's well received by her? The only way that's going down if she even does care to read it is a response of "how dare you!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:56 PM
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Women say a man having standards is toxic and misogynistic, because how dare they! The assholes thing is more that despite what women say, you can easily observe that women aren't turned off by it and give it a free pass is the mania attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:53 PM
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So a short message "I can see you don't give a shit, I'm out" Is helpful? How?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:45 PM
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What is good about telling a woman, "I'm leaving now". It's a waste of both persons time. Will she notice or care? No, she's not interested in him. Will he somehow benefit? No. It's not like he's lying. Of course if he was asked he should tell the truth, but the fact that she's not even asking is proof enough that nothing matters and what's the value in going out of your way to basically bitch to her about how she doesn't care?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:40 PM
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Why would a man who she doesn't give a shit about leaving elicit any sort of response from her? If she's disinterested, nothing he can do is going to hurt her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:36 PM
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Do women think that it's fine for them to do it? Yes. So its fine to do it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:27 PM
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That means if women don't communicate attraction to you, that it doesn't exist. That means you should just leave then
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:25 PM
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Women do it all the time and it's justified. That's just the way the game is played, and given that's the case, being happy to dish it out, it's justified to for them to take it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:24 PM
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Because that's what the woman would do? Why would anyone man go out of his way to show courtesy to someone who wouldn't ever show it to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:22 PM
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So you wanted to have a one night stand, no not unreasonably you put yourself amongst the men you find most attractive and valuable. That's the point, when you are attracted to the man, you act like you enjoy being with him and will make an effort to do so. There is no clearer sign that you as a man are unattractive and only seen as a backup to women than her having to get something out of you for it to be worth her efforts to bother being near you, rather than being excited just to spend time w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:19 PM
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So clearly they were so attractive you changed your mind. That makes them better men than ones who are too ugly to be desirable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 04:53 PM
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I don't think anyone believes that, if they did, they'd call it out on principle. They only call it out if men do it. That means they only think it's wrong if men do it, it's all fine if women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:41 AM
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I'm saying women think they should have the man fall head over heels for them, whilst they make him justify why she should choose him. And I agree that's mad, I'm then showing it is by flipping the genders and asking " now, does it still seem reasonable?" , to which the response is always that's it's not, but never because it isn't right in principle, but it isn't right to do to women. Which just creates a justification to disparage women, in much the same way men claiming "it's wrong to lie and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:36 AM
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I take it that not a good thing to say to women, but apparently men are duty bound to rejoice at being told it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:21 PM
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Why else would a woman have to delve into the box of rejects?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:58 PM
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Id counter that with the case of Caroline Flack, whose case in the opinion of the CPS crossed the threshold of a victimless prosecution (one where the victim refuses to co-operate) yet is somehow seem as police misconduct despite the evidence they had. She commited suicide and how there's been a prolonged public image of her as a trouble woman put under strain by an investigation and not just as a domestic abuser. Any man doing what she did would have been seen as a coward who committed suicide …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:56 PM
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Because when you question it, as opposed to taking it at face value, that caveats all come tumbling out. I'm mature now the last guy hurt me you'll won't ask as much from me she's recently broken up Etc etc. You can dress it up but it all boils down to you best try and talk to her while she's hurt before she gets her mojo back. To which they only reasonable response is "why the fuck should I if the only way she's open to talking to me is because shes hurt?".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:47 PM
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Women want to be empathised with but they assume empathy is just men agreeing with them. Empathy for someone is when a person understands what you are thinking and feeling, and whilst that can't necessarily be good or bad, in order to manipulate someone you need to empathise with them, as be a person they are willingly credulous about. Women willingly believe what attractive men say, irrespective of whether what they say is verified or plausible, and if the men are empathetic then that fulfills …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:35 PM
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Why mention it being bad for men to do rather than people to do ( including men)?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:27 PM
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Culturally it's fine for women to hate men, and I doubt you are divorced from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:26 PM
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Which is fine, can I say that to women? "You're fuck ugly, but you'll do"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:24 PM
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No actually. But I don't agree with anyone saying he's dutybound to listen to that horseshit. Anymore than a woman has to listen to a man. But the expectation is that as a man, he is dutybound to listen to her and feel good about it. That's bollocks. You can do the right thing, or perform your responsibilities, but you don't have to like it. Women demanding that the men like it is baffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:22 PM
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Just because you could doesn't mean you will. It does mean she's not pretending to like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:20 PM
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And you'd be happy with being with a man that would sum you up as "Eh, fuck it. She'll do"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:19 PM
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Consolation prize. As soon as he loses the ability to perform that skill she's off. It's not real, and never will be. It's not like she likes him for who he is, she saw that to begin with and was generously, neutral. Who in the world is always top top and kind every second of every day
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:18 PM
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Again, not a question women are asked. All female expressions of emotions are valid, no matter what consequences result from it. Lonely? Cheatings fine. Angry? Hitting men is fine. If that's not right then it should be the case for both men and women. I just don't get why the double standard is celebrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:16 PM
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Why? It's fine for women to have anger and rage at men, those emotions are fine for women to have and express. Why not for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 01:12 PM
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You may think that but the signal.they get is that they are justified in anything they do. Even discussions like this where they may recognise as being about behaviour they do gets undercut with the caveat that it's only bad and should be called out of its men doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:56 AM
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Women also participate willingly in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:54 AM
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I would argue it's rational given that it's going to happen whether you want to or not. Which makes the choice between hoping it doesn't happen and being unprepared when it does, or anticipating it for when it does happen and not being defeated by it. It's the same thing with vulnerability/weakness. You may not want them to be one and the same but sadly if showing vulnerability shows a weakness then they are functionally the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 02:11 AM
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You mention testing your partner instead of trusting them. Women shit test, and it's encouraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:49 AM
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Maybe it's just as prevalent in women but you only want the spotlight to be on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:41 AM
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No woman thinks they're unattractive, and even if they did they still aren't going to see anything but the top men as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:36 AM
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Isn't that a state that women create, their genuine attraction is lto.limitef men, that are attractive to a plurality of women. And women are willing to be a mistress, fling, secret partner to a man in a great number of cases, so they have a part to play in creating that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:35 AM
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You're saying it's a reason that they sabotage relationships. But if that was a valid mechanism that sabotages relationships, it would be true bor both men and women and it's clear from what you say that you're don't think it's relevant for women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 01:33 AM
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Oh come on, women think men are evil useless degenerate bastards and nobody says that's making them sabotage anything, they're celebrated for it. This is yet another example of "It's only bad if it's a man doing it"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:30 AM
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Which means that only the attractive men can engage on a relationship that's not devalued by on party having to trick themselves that she's attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:59 PM
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Right but that means you are saying that the first date doesn't count because you are evaluating them. But that also evaluation doesn't just happen on date one. And that you can only be someone who's "dating" once youve done evaluating someone. All of those things together aren't coherent
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:45 PM
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Attractiveneas is still a necessary and primary condition though, even if it's insufficient
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:39 PM
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What they falsely passed that filter? What if you subsequently find an incompatibility? What if you find that you aren't emotionallly investedM what if any or all of those things occur if the second dates or the fifth date, or the tenth date etc etc? Does that mean none of it counts as you dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:34 PM
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It's not going to be specific to be ne other person is it? If a woman is spending each night in the week in a date with a different man, she is dating
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:17 PM
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So the second date only counts because you've learned all about the person? You're aware of how ridiculous that sounds, surely? What exactly is the threshold of knowing someone enough that it counts as a date then, and why is that threshold only ever passed between the first an second date, and not ever any other point in time?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:15 PM
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In what way? The first date is a subset of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:49 PM
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Sure, and if you only have one pint a night you're teetotal. A first data is still a date. Would you go on a first date with someone you thinks ugly? No. Would you go on one you think is horrible? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 09:48 PM
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How can dates not count as dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:00 PM
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Women do judge men for not being sexual enough, say you are a virgin or inexperienced as a man and the women will judge you far more harshly than any man judges a women with a past and you know that. It's why even women advise men who are inexperienced to lie to women about leat they get weirder out by it. Women who sleep round are judged less hardly than men who don't, and it's not even close
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:20 AM
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All of that to say "It's only shitty when guys do that... and end up hurting women" Only when men do it, women get a free pass. Even when you are trying to argue against it its so embedded in the language you use you can't help but give it away
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 08:55 AM
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Lol, the robot sex toy caveats only there because it's so ubiquitous for women already
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:06 AM
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Nor should you. But in no way should women be able to get away with pretending the man they settle with is in any way one they desire. If there honest about that the man would know he's justified in being as cynical and arms length with her as she is with him - at present women get to benefit from the men they settle with treating them better and in higher regard than the women treat those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 05:00 PM
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You can empathise with the choices someone makes, and still call them fucking idiots for doing it. I can empathise that someone thinks because I'm brown that I want "good Indian boy things". The empathy is necessary to recognise I'm not viewed as a person by them and to avoid interaction with them as much as possible. I can empathise that someone thinks I'm short and therfore will back out of a 50/50 challenge. I use that to know I can go into that challenge and they won't be prepared to take th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:28 AM
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A) why should they? Would womengo out of their way to defend a man who's been abused by a woman they dont know or whose action they condone? B) women are requiring those men to feel guilt for it, as they are asking them to face the consequences for it. A man may not have done either of thise things but he has to agree with the burden of suspicion women place on him. It's used to justify forums where unsubstantiated claims can be just made amount men with no proof and it be treated as fact. Its u…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:17 AM
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Yeah, but women will say that man what an immature selfish and callous man for sleeping round when he was younger when he could have been serious etc etc. and then turn round and say bur it's fine if women do it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:08 AM
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They've seen that that ere no point in dating because in the case of those women, despite then not liking how then treated them, the women still chose them. The point being the woman choosing them. What's the point of trying when you aren't what women will ever choose. And if you aren't what women choose what's the point of caring about their dating woes. It's not like you can help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 07:00 AM
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So you don't see women saying men who treat them cynically and disposable are bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:02 PM
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So why the push back when men say there's no point to dating because women aren't looking to dating them? Women should be cheering on the majority of men not bothering as they are too ugly for women and leaving only the attractive men for them to date, fuck and marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 01:28 AM
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Women are complaining that men are as cynical about them as they are about women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 12:13 AM
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They're complaining that they're doing the same thing that the men they want are doing. In which case those women should have a go at the men they want, not at the men they don't want. Frankly it ruins the only perk of being ugly, that nothing you do actually affect women so really women should have a reason to get upset with you or have a go with you or even interact with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:02 PM
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Women moan about the dating behaviour of men in general, but for me hat reason. How can the choice to not date by men she wouldnt date be a choice that negatively affects her? Women say that all the time to men, hell I've had it told to me by women I knew wouldn't ever date me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:51 PM
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The issue is men are blamed for making things worse for that woman because he's not dating. He's now apparently at fault for her finding it difficult to get a man despite him not being a man she would want to date, and certainly why should he bother to try if the only reason he's duty bound to do so is to make the dating life of people who despise him easier. I certainly wouldn't bother working overtime to get a middle manager a few rungs above me who never has or would even talk to me a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:14 PM
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Men struggle with finding dates with women, but when they do, they often find women who are seeking something long term and are trying to measure compatibility. Why is this such a common assumption that the women out there are somehow "better quality" than men? Women can easily find dates, but when they do, they often find men who are seeking sex instead of a long term relationship and the men are willing to say anything to get the sex that they want. No woman would ever go out with the intentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 07:10 PM
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Yeah, as it's the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 04:03 PM
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That's my point though, if women are using it to describe men who no woman would find attractive, aren't they using it wrongly even in their own definition of that description? And yeah, men do know that when women say these things those women are describing that behaviour from an attractive man. But somehow its an issue to just state that - that the personality only counts from an attractive man, and that as an unattractive man, even if a woman is saying your personality is what woman would wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:14 PM
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So women use it as a way to describe a man women would want to date? So if women use that to describe their friend, who women do not want to date, aren't they wrong then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:14 PM
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Looks are not enough, however they are a necessary but insufficient condition. And I would say for the other traits to be noticed requires them to be looking at you in the first place to notice them. It's not for no reason people either notice that all the men will good personalities are attractive, and all the men with bad ones are attractive. It's not the looks creating those personalities, it's that you pay attention to the penalties of attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:13 PM
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That's like describing a car with a luxury interior being a catch despite all the wheel being stolen and the wiring missing. A catch implies both looks and personality, to pretend otherwise is gaslighting pure and simple. Just because a woman gaslights doesn't make it ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:50 PM
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Look, if a person has a trait, it's visible to anyone who pays attention to them, right? What you are describing is that you have noticed a traite because he's your friend that you think is good, but you aren't attracted to him. If, from his perspective, the only people that notice him are ones he's friends with, then he is ugly, otherwise other people would notice him because they are attracted to him, and notice the traits, and go out with him. Given that never happens, he must be ugly. Do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:48 PM
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If the only people who think he has those good traits are only ones who wouldn't date him, he's ugly. It's just not feasible or realistic to think that you as a man have some wildly attractive traits but that also they are only visible to people who aren't attracted to you. If you were attractive, every so often a woman would come along who'd see those trainers and be attracted to you. The fact that that doesn't happen just means youre ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:13 PM
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If they're ugly they can't be a catch
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:10 PM
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You can have the conversation without deflecting to women, but as you are ably demonstrating, you should expect to be attacked for it. For example, if a woman is upset and confused about why the married man she's become a secret mistress for who stays over for dinner and a sleepover during the week won't leave his wife, I can't point out to her that it's because she's created his perfect situation - a secret and consistent fuck that he doesn't even need to work for and that won't jeapordise that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:19 AM
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I don't, I would never assume that. I'm saying that if a woman did say they were attracted to me that's it's so anomalous I'd have to test whether it's genuine or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:11 AM
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You joke but women do have databases of exactly that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:37 PM
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Men should probably ask a woman if she's talking to him if she's on that part of a period and if she is, shut her down because it's her hormones and not her that wants to talk to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:33 PM
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No, you can do that quite easily, you just have to accept that the woman in question isnt ever going to speak to you ever again. So you just have to say your piece and then walk away
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:29 PM
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You can try, but only your friends are probably coming, nobody new will. Frankly women are going to have more pull that a man when it comes to organising a social activity and have people come to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:16 PM
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Theres a difference between blaming everything on others and refusing to validate everything a woman says and does. If a man were to suggest that how a omwoman is describing him isn't correct, he's automatically a man with a frail ego who can't hack his own mistakes because he dared to say that the woman wasn't perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:11 PM
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Both men and women operate under the general principle that if the man fucks up, it's his fault. And if the woman fucks up, it's his fault. An example of this is how men cheating is because he's a piece of shit, and women cheating is because poor her she couldn't help it and he's a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 09:54 PM
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And how exactly are women held accountable? Do women pay a social price, or show remorse or show a recognition of their inferior decision making? Or, are they socially supported and celebrated?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 09:51 PM
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If they thought it's just their man, that's what they'd say. They don't say that, they say we're all evil. Whats wrong in judging a woman from her own damn words?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 09:48 PM
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You can't flirt at someone, only with someone. And frankly if you're too ugly for women, you aren't qualified to flirt And as for corrupting someone? A man saying that would be ostracised, why'd you get to do it and it be fine and normal rather than the demands of a control freak?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:09 AM
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They know that if the selection was just a bunch of men standing naked in a room, with no futher info about their income, status, family wealth etc, they would probably get omitted even by average or below average looking women. That's the nature of attraction. Isn't this the optimum dating scenario for women - where only the attractive men exist and women no longer have to interact the with rest of men. I'm confused by why this is trotted out as something women wouldn't want when we know women …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:04 PM
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She says she considers herself intelligent and that she went into a trade. She can hardly say that and consider her colleagues morons, can she? I see no indication that she thinks folks in the trades are dumb— especially since she says she herself is intelligent and is in trades. How do those statements contradict each other, genius?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 08:29 AM
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I see no indication that she thinks folks in the trades are dumb— especially since she says she herself is intelligent and is in trades. That's literally what I wrote, and you accused me of not being able to read. maybe you're the illiterate one? I'm picking up on the fact that she only mentions dating people she's qualified as acceptable because she's on their level. I can tell that you and her found out they had an interest in things they didn't share, you'd discount them immediately. I know t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:55 AM
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She says she considers herself intelligent and that she went into a trade. She can hardly say that and consider her colleagues morons, can she?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:26 AM
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All those things you mention, they are relevant only to you, yet you use them as a means to place yourself above others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 10:06 PM
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I mean in the way that if a woman thinks you are uneducated, she won't talk to you. If you appear poorer than her, she won't talk to you. If you are a lower class than her, she won't talk to you. Forget a relationship or a dare or just sex. She will literally see interacting with you as beneath her, so what's the point. It does enrage segregation, sure, but it's what women want. It's less about being fine with being desperate, it's the opposite. It's knowing she's always going to see you as less…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:47 PM
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Again, it a man told a woman "I wouldn't ever date you, you're too poor" it would be beyond the pale. Men on the other hand, know that's what every woman assumes of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:35 PM
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And would you be as cutting to women like this? Obviously not. Because you think women are perfect and men as subhuman
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:53 PM
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To what end? So a woman who's crashes and burned can lie to herself that she's attracted to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:47 PM
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Women should stop trying to fob people off onto those men then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:41 PM
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Why would women want more men to be attractive? A man who has to become attractive can only be inherently flawed. If a man is flaw d he isn't worth a woman's attention, let alone attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:40 PM
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So then, why not as a woman make it clear that unless you are a highly attractive man, that you shouldn't date. Women should be broadcasting loudly that whats ideal for them and society is all women dating and fucking only the attractive men, as that's what means women are all satisfied and removes the penalty for women having to settle with men who she thinks are below her ( all women being 10s).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:22 PM
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Right, but a man has to become economically viable to become worthy of dating. Women don't have to. The whole "date whilst you are making progress" is only for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:01 PM
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I had a friend whom I liked, and whom I would have considered dating if I had been single If you were a man that's already beyond the pale though. You've just described how much more leniently women have it when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:00 PM
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Only an injustice of it happens to women though. Men are supposed to be told they're fucking useless. Women are so unused to it even gender swapping a scenario that originally has them cheering somehow becomes unjust
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:58 PM
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So you entertained it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:47 PM
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That's fine. Its therefore equally valid for men who want get laid to also be the subjects of their desires. Somehow that's evil If I gender swap a situation nothing should change. But it does. That means there's an inconsistency. If it benefits women, your fine with it. Well then, you should be fine with the ones that benefit men then. You are not. Pick one. Either both men and women should be selfish in their desires or neither. Not yes for women and not for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:44 PM
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No emotional or physical affairs then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:26 PM
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What else could it mean that she believe she's supreme to him, so she owns all of him and owes nothing to him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:25 PM
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I see you demand men treat women as someone desirable, but nothing on women doing the same for men. An egalitarian would think women should treat treat men as someone they desire as well, otherwise the women should be ignored for romantic purposes. You then are no egalitarian, but a supremacist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:24 PM
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Difference is in such relationships, the men are aware she's only picked him because she fucked up and had to (though why you would accept that I don't know), but the women go round thinking whes hot shit, and treats him like she's somehow above him and where he has to commit to her, she owes him no such thing (or anything) The whole his money is their money, her money is her money being one such example of this. Another being of he fucks up it's unforgable and she can use it as a get out clause…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:03 PM
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She's still going to covertly date and sleep with attractive men in that instance. He may be committed, she won't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:33 PM
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Average women aren't going to preferentially date an average man over an attractive one though, which is what you are assuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:31 PM
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"economically attractive men" Imagine telling a woman she's "economically unattractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:28 PM
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Those average looking women will not treat those average looking men like they are desirable, especially because they have experienced men who are attractive and desirable. But woe betide those average looking men who dare treat the average looking women like average looking women and not as the best thing that could ever happen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:27 PM
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It does justify that the risk isn't worth the reward, as the risk isn't she says no, it's that she fucks you over with a baying crowd and a legal system cheering her on, in your opinion justifiably.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:20 AM
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So women can lie. Women can defraud. Women can molest. Women can murder. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:15 AM
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What context could possibly justify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:09 AM
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Where have I done that? What you've done is quote an assertion that you've made.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:38 PM
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And how exactly have I done that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:35 PM
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And how's that? As far as I can tell if a man does it it's hateful and wrong, but gender swap it and it's fully justified. How?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:30 PM
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So where's your condemnation? You say men hate women, and condemn that.but the other way around? Just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:25 PM
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Again, women can't ever do anything wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:22 PM
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By that standard women don't like men either, where your vitriol for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:21 PM
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Ah, so when a man does it it's because he's a piece of shit, the woman is fine. When a woman does it she fine, it's because the man is a piece of shit. Pure women are sugar and spice and everything nice, that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:20 PM
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Why don't you shut down women doing the same thing though? Surely that's also wrong, but no, that's justified. Women are wonderful and infallible and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:10 PM
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Sure, sure. In much the same way there are highly educated people who end up taking the shit overnight warehouse job for minimum wage to earn money. But it's not like they want to be there. And god knows they are still allying elsewhere for a job that better suits their skills. And the moment they get it, they are out of there, no hesitation. Except in this case, the warehouse knows as much and aren't being insisted upon to pretend like they the graduate dream employer. But for ugly men, the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:09 PM
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They may wish they were and only in the relationship because of the external socialetal.pressure to be a parent and settled down. That's not exactly a good thing, especially when women themselves would be far happier alone for most of their lives and only briefly with a man as long as the man is actually attractive to them, not just useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:15 PM
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Women are valid in losing interest when there's no spark but what the hell are they doing going round telling men that they should ask out and entertain women who will never have the spark with them because theyre not attractive men? It's like they enjoy making idiots of delusional men. Just be honest, unless you are attractive, no woman is ever going to feel a spark and so the entire business of dating for those men is nothing but pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:13 PM
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Not man is that stupid. Any woman claiming that it is is clearly lying and trying to butter him up for something, likely the guillotine. Run. Away.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:20 PM
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I'm trying to say that it's easy to tell to which group of men you belong. If you are ugly, it's better to act accordingly and not enter the delusion that women will ever want to spend time with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:54 PM
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So if one must "leave immediately" at the first sign of asshole, then the relationship would never get off the ground. Women say constantly that men deserve no empathy or chances. This is therefore entirely coherent with what women say about men. People make dumb mistakes- is he a crappy person or was he just anxious? Did he deserve to be fired? Did he have a bad day or is he always like this? You need time to figure out another person's baseline. And are women asking these questions about the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:53 PM
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I'm saying trusting someone includes knowing what they chose in the past and why. And before you cut me off with "women mature and change", women also use and justify the dissemination of information of what men did in their pasts, so it's definitely a valid thing to use to judge someone and whether there are worth trusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 08:24 PM
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Including what they used to choose?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:56 PM
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So to prove you are worth trusting would require an insight into why you do what you do, wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:53 PM
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If I were to say women are regularly nice to me, you'd never say that they could fancy me, I shouldn't be so baselessly arrogant. Which would prove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:52 PM
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So you should be fine with not being trusted until you prove you can be then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:19 PM
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Ok, what are you ways women show attraction that aren't immediately catorgorisable as just friendly behaviour? The fact is what you list with be laden with caution and nuance and such but when attractive men are around said caution and nuance go out of the window. As an example, the only time I've had a drink bought for me was an incredibly unsubtle bribe to leave a friend the woman hads pent 5 mins pawing at before saying a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:43 PM
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Women are not expecting commitment for making out, what lunacy is that? The entire trope is that she starts making out with him and then has to stop herself before things progress to sex. For the attractive men, of course not. She does that for her own enjoyment. That's entirely valid and correct. If the woman is not showing interest in you prior to sex, that should tell you something. Women (and men) show physical interest prior to sex even if they both don’t want to cross the sexual boundary y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:32 PM
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You can fake that. Plus women will do that with people they aren't attracted to, so I hold them at their word. I guess if that's the case you aren't going to use that as a means to shame... Oh wait, yeah, you are. Guess you have to be a ultra attractive man who regularly sleeps with many women in order to count to women. The fact is that women expect commitment from the less than attractive men to permit engagemenr with kissing and touching or other such "indicators of attraction" because with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:03 PM
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But not because it's fun, or you're attracted to him, or frankly because you want to like times you have have had previously. No, he has to be committed to her. So he's had to barter his way to that point, without any hint of enthusiasm or attraction from your end. And then what happens when it's not gone well, and he leaves? You now have carte blanche to bad mouth him then, with a free conscience. He's broken the contract in your mind, and he has to pay. Yet if he were to say that you have to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:36 PM
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Oh no, men want enthusiastic sex with women as opposed to bartered sex, how delusion of them! Why is that a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:15 PM
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Right but it's not like she acts attracted to those men by being attentive and within his personal space whereas you are throwing brickbats at him right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:13 PM
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Right ght, but the point is even if the men who inspire the attraction may vary between women, they way women respond to it isn't as varied. A woman acting friendly is just being friendly, it isn't attraction so you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking that it is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:12 PM
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Yeah, if you say you don't deal with shitty behaviour, what the hell were you doing not leaving immediately? After missing hat first chance, you hold some responsibility for what comes after because you had the opportunity to leave and you chose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:09 PM
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If I had it would be my fault. No cop out description of "it's not really my fault". Any woman saying she had a bad relationship before and staying that is basically telling everyone that if something goes wrong she's going to blame it all on you, claim that she only made the decision because of some reason that absolves her of the decision making responsibility and that you are evil for taking advantage of that. I am responsible for the decisions I take, so I have a responsibility to avoid that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:31 PM
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I did it because I had low self esteem from an abusive childhood and wanted to save him like I couldn’t save my dead brother. That's tough and all, but you know full well you wouldn't accept a man using that an excuse for their choices, why is it acceptable for you or any other woman using it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:31 AM
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Come on, you know full well with men it's a one strike and you're out deal. Should be the same for women. Men using the "I was young and dumb" excuse is pathetic, women shouldn't be able to use it as a cop out either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:29 AM
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So what's wrong with admitting the truth, which is that woman can only find a tiny monory of men attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:30 PM
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Give the women the chance and those average men are history
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:29 PM
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Yet when do state just that, that women do desire men but only a subset of men, that's shouted down
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:28 PM
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Splendidabrown isn't a forever alone sub, it's a brown womens sub dedicated to making sure they don't have to debase themselves by interacting with brown men. Another example of if it were men it'd be called out for what it is - white chasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:41 PM
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Because they don't want to be treated like they're genuinely subhuman for it, which is what many many dudes (and plenty of gals) do, and that shit is often wielded as a tool, a weapon and an excuse to insult them, ignore boundaries and try to abuse them. Not cool. So just like men who aren't mega successful with women then? But that's just fine and dandy apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:55 PM
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How is it different? Are you saying men should got on dates with women that aren't attracted to them? Why on earth would they want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:50 PM
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I know what you want the answer to be is the 7, but let's be realistic. She's still only talking to me because she's failed to be with the man she desires and has been forced by her own failure to lower herself to talking to me. Why would I look on that with any grace? She's still only there because I'm a "safe option" that should be thankful she's talking to me. A fallback for when it all went to shit. I couldn't do that. Id end up calling out the lie. And hating myself for being such a spinele…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:22 PM
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Either way, why is expected that men should be happy with never experiencing it when if you were to enter a relationship with a woman and tell her that she's not attractive and you have no desire for her that it's abuse? And you say desire is more about who initiates sex? If it's men, then the conclusion is that women don't desire him then, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:15 PM
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Ok, can you see why if a man went on a date with a woman and she didn't seem to show any excitement or interest, or comfort, that it's in the best interest of both of them that he jacks it in rather than trying to get her interested? It's a futile pursuit. And no, there's a difference between a woman being excited to see a film or go to a restaurant or some other event and being excited to spend time with him? All men here are saying is that where this happens, he should leave - if she's interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:26 PM
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Attraction and arousal aren’t the same thing. Attraction is “I like this person and I’d be into them touching me.” Arousal is “I’m turned on right now and want to have sex.” So if you were on a date with someone and you never even sat next to them, it's a pretty open and shut case that you aren't into them then. If you are into them touching you, then you'd be into touching them. If you can't bring yourself to sit next to them, then... When I went on first dates, I sometimes felt attraction, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:54 PM
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No, I think having to jump over a million hoops just for the chance to be noticed means a woman is not attracted to a man. You say turning a woman on takes work, so if that's a means of calculating how much you are valued by someone, it stands to reason that the men women put effort into are the one women actually want. Women aren't putting any effort into men unless they're highly attractive. So by your own yardstick it's easy to see who women want, and it's not the average man. And the questio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:29 PM
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Appearance not being the only filter doesn't change the fact that it's the first filter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:06 PM
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The average guy in this case will fail faster than an attractive one even if both men are doing the same thing in the exact same way. Women will simply be more forgiving of the attractive man than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:59 PM
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Sure. But men aren't going round they're morally superior because they don't do this. Women are. Women are painting themselves as being morally superior to men when that's utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:54 PM
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No, but I don't see how this makes a difference. The online profile of attractive man Vs knowing an ugly man? You'll know more about the attractive man because you'll read his profile Vs not paying attention to the ugly man. The online profile of an ugly man Vs knowing an attractive man? You'll know more about the attractive man because you'll pay attention to him and not bother reading the online profile of the ugly man. The critical condition governing whether you'll pay attention or read a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:53 PM
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Again, will you notice if a ugly man is disrespectful or unkind? No, because you won't have any interaction to find that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:37 PM
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No, if I pay attention to the picture and ignore the video.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:34 PM
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But you only noticed the other aspects of men, good and bad, b cause of looks. It's a human thing. The thing men get shafted for doing, paying attention to who's fit? Women do it to. The idea your brains are less visually stimulated when you describe women claiming they care more about personality than men? If that's the case, why can women recite War and Peace on the pros and cons of attractive men, but the square tool of fuck all on the personalities of ugly ones. Women need to stop pretending…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:33 PM
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They're the same person. They can't be uglier or more attractive on an app as opposed to in person. And my point still stands. You aren't going to look at how a bridge troll holds themselves. How the bridge troll holds themself is not going to register you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:28 PM
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Only shallow people don’t bother to assess someone’s personality just because theyre not attracted to that person. This mindset actually makes more sense about why the sub thinks most people are like this. In the context of dating, sex, relationships? Really? Isn't the whole damn point to be with someone you find attractive? So they it makes sense that women only assess the personality of the men the find attractive. What godforsaken desperate woman is bothering to assess the period a man in thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:25 PM
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Why would the threshold be lower on an app than in real life when the looks threshold determines whether any other aspect of your personality is looked at to begin with? You may get to assess it more immediately in person as opposed to having to arrange meeting up with a man on an app, but in both cases that only reason you are paying attention to it is because he's passed the attraction threshold. That's not a sign the the threshold is actually any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:19 PM
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I think those are all things that become relevant considerations if you are attractive. If you're ugly, every aspect of your personality is irrelevant. You could be the perfect counterpart to someone but it counts for nothing if they aren't looking at you for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:16 PM
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To answer your question, I’ve gone out with people where I felt a bit of connection. I liked something about them and enjoyed their company, but that initial spark didn’t always turn into anything real. More often than not, after a date or two, I realized it was a false alarm. This is precisely the point. Who are you trying to explore the possibility with? Men you are attracted to - spontaneous desire. I don't expect you to go on a date with a man you find ugly as son to explore a possible conne…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:14 PM
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No, the point is there no way in hell a woman would accept a difference in how she's treated. But for some reason men should be fine with accepting a second rate version of "attraction" from women. If women rightly would accept it, then why should men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:57 PM
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Who do you let get to the kissing and caressing stage and what did they have to do for that? Because your find them attractive, interesting, exciting? Or did they have to make sure they entertained you, bought you stuff, proved they liked you without you having to do a thing? That first man, that's spontaneous desire. That second, that's responsible. And it sounds like you actually liked the first man whereas the second had to bargain and barter to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:55 PM
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Well then, what the fuck are you worried about then? Your not in the 95% of men that no woman would ever genuinely desire
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:13 AM
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Because the women will still be dating, having sex, having relationships. Just with the minority of men that are actually desirable to them. The missing bit is enforcing the 90-10 sex ratio that would mean that in futuee, no men or women will be forced into engaging with people they don't desire
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:38 AM
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That not what the post is saying. The post is saying that you artificially create a bottleneck on this generation so that the conditions in the following ones fit what woman want. You aren't being replaced by another man at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:23 AM
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You do realise this requires manipulation of the sex ratio to work right? You'd need to make it 10% male 90% female for this to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 09:40 AM
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Well yeah. Every choice is wrong, so that means I shouldn't make choices. That seems to be the only correct option, so that's what I do. Women are very vocal and agree that any undesirable man should recuse themselves from dating women, that must mean that in principle it should be the same for women. None of this feel good empowerment bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:28 PM
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You're describing a process where you are counter man you don't like and says you find it's dissatisfying. If you carry on doing that you can't exactly say it's the mens fault, it's yours. You could not go on apps. That you keep on doing so is only on you, not anyone else. Why do you have a problem with that? As a man, I get all sorts of shit. I get bollocked for thinking women find me unattractive. I get bollocked for proving it. I get bollocked for deciding not to bother. I get bollocked for n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:15 PM
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Like that's changing anything. Women avoid such men anyways and if asked why, cite that those men must have something wrong with them if no other woman has been interested with them before. It wouldn't be such a problem if women spread that distrust everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:08 PM
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Except when your a man apparently. Then you're always to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:05 PM
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When women claim they are decided by men, they claim that they havld no part in it, and that that therefore they have no responsibility to change anything they do. That's what I'm pushing back on. You're doing something similar. You're describing men saying things on apps, you disapproval of it and somehow that's their problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:04 PM
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People say that they get tricked, that the deception is all on the decievong party. That's not the case, people don't believe the stories told by people they don't want to believe in. Whether the story is true or not. The reason people get tricked is they want to believe the story the person is telling them, and that's what opens the door. If you stop yourself from thinking "he's hot, I'll listen to what he's saying" then you won't get tricked.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:57 PM
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Nobody is in control of the choices that you make apart from yourself. Therefore you are responsible for the consequences of your choices. That applies to women as well as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:18 PM
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No, just be grateful that they aren't in the "instantly regard as human trash" box
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:02 AM
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Better than being so horrifying to women that even talking to them triggers a mental health event for the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:10 PM
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If that's the case all those women should be discarded to the same bin the men are. Of course that wouldnt happen, that's not the equality women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:07 PM
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It's be quite nice to think I'm not having to make up for my height, or race, or wealth, but that's asking way too much of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:00 PM
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So you're saying you're mentally aroused enough to go out with and sleep with a many that's ugly?! Come off it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:55 AM
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It's not just sexual, but social. You can walk into a group setting as a single woman and no one has a problem. Hell you can turn group keetilups as a personal dating event and aggressively flirt and pursue men you find desirable without being kicked out of that's what you wanted. As a single man, you have to be precise with what events you attend, and make sure you limit your interactiona to just that. So meetup to play football? Turn up just before it starts. Play football. Leave. If you want …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:50 AM
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Is a woman being single really the same as a man being single? A single woman isn't deemed a threat or forbidden from social interactions the same way a man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:46 AM
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Surez you need both, but women will still go out with and sleep.with men who just have physical arousal. And then with mental arousal she'll say "oh he has both". This suggests that metal arousal requires physical arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:40 AM
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Well there you go. What's wrong with educating the 95% of lek that they are never going to be attractive to a woman and therefore never to bother doing or turning anything with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:46 PM
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Women have responsive desire except when they don't. Its those 5% of men that women have spontaneous desire for that prove that women do have spontaneous desire, those are the ones women genuinely want and the responsive desire narrative is just really meant to help the rest of men cope. It's not like women would put any effort or value towards the other men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 11:19 PM
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If it helps they act like most men are ugly as fuck as well
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:23 PM
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Ask a woman what proportion of men she finds attractive and the answer won't break 5%. It's women who are saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:48 PM
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What's wrong with what I said? Surely you have the ability to explain why
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:14 PM
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We know that women generally feel safe much less often than men, especially around men. Because when there's a nutter having a meltdown nearby men are completely unbothered by it. Obviously /s Unless a woman knows a man well, and often even then, she won't trust that he won't hurt her. This is drilled into women from birth, that the world is dangerous and there will be people who want to hit you. Men are comparatively pretty oblivious to this. How are men oblivious to the fact that people want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:52 PM
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I think women conflate severity with frequency when it comes to violence, which means that there is a misjudgement of risk. Women, compared to men, experience violence far less frequently, although it can be argued that the severity of it is greater. Women then assume that means they are as a consequence under greater risk of violence, which I don't think is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:40 PM
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God no. For one, most women, even the one who consider themselves highly attractive wouldn't make attractive men. And secondly, not being attractive means any other facets would be rendered pointless and irrelevant. Not to mention that women do get used to acting in ways that are, let's say, problematic if they a man and not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:03 AM
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It's valuable because you can't fake it, or barter it. Attraction isn't a choice, and you certainly can't negotiate it but from what women say makes it would like a fucking haggling nightmare where the man has to offer greater and greater discounts of the true value of the item just to get her interested. It's the act of negotiating itself that shows that she doesn't see the value in the item - the item being him as a person - and is simple haggling to reduce its cost to her. How can Amy man tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:49 PM
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What's wrong with being judgemental? Women are judgemental. Women have no problem with that. Just means they should be fine with it being done back to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:40 PM
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It's not her fault for not being attracted to him. But she is at fault now for falsely claiming that she's attracted to him now. Not being attracted isn't a choice, but lying absolutely is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:35 PM
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I don't understand thos condemnation of men not trusting uncritically the words of a woman but at the same don't trust the words of men and consider themselves worthy and enlightened for doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:33 PM
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Cool, as a mid woman you'd be happy with the man you are with barely giving a shit about you? Because frankly being mid means your love, care and attention simply isn't all that valuable. God knows women constantly remind men of that fact, but of so it applies to women just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:27 PM
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Because money isn't a facet of you as a person, obviously being liked because of money is worthless
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:24 PM
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But only the hot ones! The ugly ones are judging by default, just like the ugly men are dangerous by default. (You have to know how desperately stupid that is. I'm genuinely glad you don't have to navigate as a woman. You'd be gift-wrapped.) I mean women act with a preponderance of caution towards all men, which is efficient. But then throw the caution away for certain men i.e. the attractive ones. Isn't that exactly what you are describing? Sounds like a mental health concern on your end, if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 01:25 AM
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You don't notice any body language, tone, word choice, subtle actions...? What's it like? How can you tell who's judging you, just from the shape of their face and body? (I'm betting it's fat. Is it fat?) Because when you're in a contest with someone, the important part to take note of is how nice they are about tricking you, above the fact they are tricking you. Of course. No, it's actually easy to tell who's judging you, it's the people who you notice shift their position and action to avoid y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:31 PM
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You need to know what they're like, to the extent that you can in the time you have. It's triage. Who's a threat, and what kind? Who's most likely to help if you need it, and in what way? (If you screw it up, and get hurt, it's your fault. So err on the side of caution.) And the point is if he's ugly you just default to "Dangerous. Avoid" as the safe option, whereas if he's attractive you are actually bothering to evaluate him. Guessing you pretty avg, and have a preference for abled partners. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:06 PM
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There's a difference between being aware of someone and paying attention to them looking out for what they're like. One involves minimising contact and the other is increasing contact. I probably would make a shit woman given that all I can do as man is work out who finds me beneath them and avoid them asuch as possible. And no, I wouldn't find it flattering at all that a woman had to lower herself to considering me worth going out with. What that does that show what she thinks about me? That I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:44 PM
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I'm saying that you may well be rejecting a man because he's immature, but you are only aware he's immature because you paid attention to him. And you only paid attention to him because he's attractive. If he was ugly you wouldn't have noticed him to begin with so any traits he has, positive or negative, are never going to come to your attention. And to labour the point regarding being able to tell if a person is false, if a woman who said that they wouldn't ever consider a short man then came t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 06:28 PM
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Lmao because women would totally call out women disparaging men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:52 PM
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Because all these things you say women select for they select for from a pool of men they already find attractive. You can't competence, or life skills or adult responsibility your way into being attractive to a woman's because that's are all things that require her to take notice of you to see and appreciate. So the question then is who are the men ant women will take an in depth look at to see if they have those qualities, isn't it. The upshot is, if you are ugly you can be the most component,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:41 PM
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I think men develop themselves in lots of ways that they know have no importance or relevance to women. And what backs this up is that these traits or skills are never mentioned by women at all when describing those men. So what else are men supposed to conclude from this? And for the cases which you undoubtedly say show women do care about those things in men, it's okay because they are attractive to them in the first place! They are, at best, of secondary or tertiary concern to women if at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:26 PM
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The point is that the woman is the one whose reducing his value to that. But it does mean that those mean shouldn't have any worries about leaving those situations, as because she doesn't value him, him leaving isn't going to upset her either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:57 PM
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I think this is describing a woman attracted to the lifestyle, not to the man himself. That man is essentially irrelevant and interchangeable. He's merely performing a function for her but there's no emotional or sexual bond there. She's attracted to one and not the other. If asked, she can describe what she's attracted to about one man, and for the other only describe what he does for her. She's not attracted to him. Which isn't a good thing because that man is of no concern to the woman, he's …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:26 AM
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Yeah but can she explain why she's attracted to him if he's not the hottest or the best?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:20 AM
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Ugly guys who pull boss babes sounds like it sprung from the delusional imagination of the 5fr nothing Indian janitor. Why would she like him? What is the reason? You can't state things and not have a reason for why it happens. The reason I don't think it's a genuine thing is because people state that it happens to refute a point, but never describe why the woman in that case would make that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:36 PM
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And when women describe those men, they aren't describing attraction but only describing utility. Which is because they aren't attracted, they are being put into a position where useful is all they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:26 PM
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The insufficient but necessary condition in all of this being is the man attractive. Like not interacting with women ever is extreme, but thinking women will be attracted to you if you aren't in the apex is delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:10 AM
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Because men know that the men women are wanting to choose is only a minority of them. The bear / man analogy just demonstrates that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:07 AM
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I don't think men are under the impression women will come after them. It's more questioning the point to trying to essentially negotiate her attraction when we all know if an attractive man dies come her way she'll be off and leave you high and dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:04 AM
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Depends on why
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:07 AM
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How is it a strawman? Its a real phenomenon. Lying to sleep woth someone? Fine if you're a woman. Using AI as a substitute for real life people? Fine if your a woman. Using models as a basis for your physical preferences? Fine if you're a woman. Using online means to interrogate and disseminate information about someone? Fine if you're a woman. Acts of physical or psychological harm? Fine if you're a woman. Expectation to use someone to satisfy sexual frustration? Fine if you're a woman. You can…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:16 PM
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If you are talking about enforcing transparency though there's no way she could walk back to accept a standard whe had previously denounced. It's effectly a ratchet
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:04 PM
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I'm trying to address a consistent double standard here with any behaviour: Is it a man doing it? Bad. Is it a woman doing it? Good. Infact encourage her to do it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:49 PM
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So put in a ratcheting mechanism, she can't walk backwards in any parameter of man, ever?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:39 PM
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There is no way. There's just enforcing what women desire and that's making sure they can't interact with 90% of men and they can't have their merry way fighting for what's left.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:37 PM
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You slept with a man you met whose older? He predated on you. If he's shorter or uglier? He must have used your insecurities against you. You've felt lonely belt or horny? Well if he's ugly you've clearly been tricked in one way or another that's his fault so he's the one in the wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:31 PM
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Which why I'm saying that she shouldn't have ended up with a worse man then. The only explanation is because somethings gone wrong, she's been forced to consider uglier, shorter men and she'll consequently be unhappier for it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:29 PM
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Hey, that's what women are told about interacting with undesirable men. So it must be the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:27 PM
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Maybe you've just been taken advantage of and not realised it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:23 PM
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Think that older women deciding to sleep with younger men are creeps
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:19 PM
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Women themselves say it. They have to settle for worse physiques, shorter, uglier, more acceptable to family and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:19 PM
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So her standards improve, and she's now with worse men. How does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:05 PM
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So why don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:04 PM
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Exactly. So when she tries to pretend that any man below the level she was sleeping with for her personal enjoyment is something she genuinely is attracted to, youd have to be an idiot to believe her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:28 PM
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Me: some people do look negatively at them Clearly you don't though
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:25 PM
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So if a woman spends her time chasing tall attractive men to sleep with, including taking on a load of risks and making questionable.choices regarding personal safety, going along with obvious unrealistic lies for them, and then turns up with a short ugly fat man who she says is safe, you'd honestly think her self described attraction to him is genuine?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:22 PM
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Clearly in such a situation the man is just a front for family, the women will still be sneaking away to sleep with the men she wanted in her 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:20 PM
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And I said that that can apply to men as well, so what about that situation? To which you said nobody thinks the 20s women were creeps, which clearly wasn't what I was referring to. That's a straw man is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:18 PM
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You couldn’t even give one example OF the strawmen you are describing. Not one. Oh no I cant give an example in a medium I'm explicitly forbidden from posting links to, I'm such a bullshitter. You haven't addressed the question of why is the same behaviour that is unjustifiable when it's a man is something you consider good when it's a woman? Whats with the selective moralising?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:35 PM
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The men in those relationships are described as being creeps preying on inexperience and incapable of arratractong women their own age. Why is this not a critical of 40 year old women? And as for your last sentence? Why is that seen as something only relevant for older women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:22 PM
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I gave a response saying that the same thing happend to older men. But they are still not seen the same way. Do you think they should be seen as creeps? If so, why are you defending the older women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:56 PM
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Again, 40 year old gets with mid 20s woman, he's a creep, even if she's the one that pursues him. Should be the same for a woman. For some reason it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:29 PM
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How is it catastrophising? I bet that man is being kept from being seen with her in public, made to pretend they don't know each other etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:20 PM
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Because the men she picked at 21-23 benchmarks the type of men she has genuine attraction for.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:17 PM
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What is forcing her to get together with a man that's lower in her estimation than that man in her past? Because it's evident she's accepting a lower quality man from your description.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:15 PM
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It's not because she may only be getting into a relationship with a man that's socially acceptable for family or society. An example of this are south Asian women getting married to south Asian men. Did that date those men? No. Only got an arranged marriage to them as that's more acceptable to family. The men they are truly more valuable and attractive to them are not those men, the men they marry are only there to mitigate risk, they aren't worth risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:09 PM
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So who are women bedding for the "trial run". It's the attractive, tall, men. Just a coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:03 PM
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Why isn't the older woman in this case not just a loser who having to predate on younger, inexperienced men? She should be as reviled as a man doing the same thing is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:01 PM
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If she's experienced, what went wrong then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:59 AM
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How can you have fun knowing the other party had better than you and therefore the only reason she's there is that something went horrifically wrong? That's not her actually wanting you, thats basically having to rely on a woman having been so comprehensively beat down that she's had to accept a shittier man. That's not exactly fun now, is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:58 AM
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It matters when women state that you need experience to be able to be a competent partner sexually. So if you know you aren't, you are going to be subpar. Why would she agree to that? Is her decision making unreliable? Is she making do with worse because there's something wrong with her that she's not informing you about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:55 AM
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He's entitled to conclude she's not attracted to him, and to leave
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:52 AM
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That doesn't answer my question. What is the meaning of being vulnerable? Going through the pain, am I supposed to stab myself or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:18 PM
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What does vulnerable actually mean? I see it constantly thrown around
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:04 PM
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If I believe the lies whose fault is it? Theirs or mine? Mine obviously. It's not like the other party would feel responsible. Therefore I have a responsibility to myself to be suspicious, because if it all goes wrong I am the only to blame. I have to exhaust all possibilities to verify what I choose to act on. It's not about being secure or not secure. It's only about whose left holding the shit. I get advised to do all sorts of shit and when I asked if they'd take responsibility for when it go…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:54 PM
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It's the settled understanding that women do not uncritically believe the word of men, including their partner. There's lots of words describing why, words from the point of view of women. So then taking them at their word, I have learned that if that is the duty of any responsible person to themselves, I should also apply to myself. That means always questioning their word and trying to determine whether it lines up with their actions. For most people that means just not believing them. For a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:43 PM
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Why would I believe your word?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:31 PM
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Would any woman ever stop looking for signs? No. Men are always under suspicion, their motives always under question. If that's the way the game is played, then right back at them. Being willing to dish that out means they are going to take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:27 PM
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The point is all the signs when together point to an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:02 PM
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Are you both looking for men you are attracted to? Then at it's core, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:01 PM
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She liked him, she slept with him. She "likes" you, she starts you on a Sisyphean treadmill of requirements. There is clearly a difference
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:22 PM
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It's not. How often to women break up with a man and then say how x, y and z was wrong with the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:00 PM
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Yeah, but in order to interrogate the issue you have to come at from the other side. It's deemed acceptable, even encouraged for women to act this way. So what happens when a man does it and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:59 PM
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Because you had to do more to be deemed passable. It's sometimes described as *makes by up for your shortcomings" or "having overlooked x,y or z"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:57 PM
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If that were the case women wouldn't talk about their exes as having always been pieces of shit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:29 PM
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I'm attacking the issue the same way a woman would. To see if it's fine. Apparently it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:28 PM
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Why is the women picking him to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:27 PM
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So it's fine for a man to deal with loss of interest but it's wrong to subject women to it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:26 PM
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The context is that she is capable of enthusiasm and it's not there
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:26 PM
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In such cases they've always had a negative view of them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:25 PM
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Why'd she think he'd be accepting of a facsimile of attraction in the first place. Before the break up or getting together. What about him made him a mark?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 05:24 PM
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It's not making her upset. It's the potential smear campaign that's fought afterwards that's bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:44 PM
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Well, clearly, save the time of men and women both. Whats the point of spending time woth a woman who's had to lower herself to considering you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:09 PM
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I meant why did she assume the man was so pathetic he'd just accept any small morsel of interest she deigned to trow at him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:07 PM
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Men still have the right to ask though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:05 PM
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And we all know how much women hate insecurities in men. I'd say that makes the statement that a woman will always see him as beneath her as valid then
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:01 PM
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Whatever your opinion on men is - and it's clear you think yourself as superior to them - men still have that right, same as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:56 PM
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I'd want to ask why she thought I was so pathetic though. Like clearly that's a personal failing, I'd want to avoid that and I'd also ask why she thought I'd be happy with being the backup.optu9n so.i could prevent it from happening again.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:55 PM
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I wouldn't mention them in the context of "look at what I used love doing, you're too boring for it though"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:53 PM
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The context of saying women change their interests and then only list examples of women losing interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:49 PM
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Nope they have to have consent to ask questions like Do women have to have consent to ask such questions? No. Therefore neither do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:48 PM
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Which is just strange to want to have sex with someone that’s not enjoying it Of course you don't. Which is why it's important to learn whether she's a actually attracted to you or not, and being uninterested or unenthusiastic about you is a sign she's not attracted to you, and that you should do the right thing and leave her as soon as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:47 PM
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Men are as within their rights to ask questions of a woman's past as a woman is to ask questions of a man's past. Women have made that a right enshrined in law, set up online groups with the some purpose of disseminating that and even joined an app that ended up doxxing them in order to do that. Are you going to argue that women should be able to do that? No? Then you must accept that men also have that right to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:36 PM
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Instead if telling her and guilting her and condemning her. Just. Leave. For which she will guilt and condemn him. Which will be fine because it's a woman doing it to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:31 PM
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I see. All women do is lose interest then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:30 PM
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He's not claiming he was into it though is he? Women with their past exploits are mentioning them in a "look how fun and uninhibited I was with all though attractive men that were better than you. Now be happy with me being uninterested"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:29 PM
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If he was attractive the women would be able to describe him as such. Rather than just "comfortable" and "useful".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:18 PM
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Everyone is entitled to ask the motivations of someone trying to associate with them. Even when it's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:04 PM
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That's the point. Hookups happen when all that you need to to be attracted to the other party, that's why women only ever do so with the minority of men. But all of a sudden when they "mature" and "want to settle down" unattractive men are supposed to just uncritically believe women that they're attractive now?! When no women would believe a man just saying "trust me mate, I think you're proper fit"?! No, a woman would ask lots of questions to make that man justify himself. So therefore any man …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:04 PM
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I have done repeatedly. Again, I do a basic is/is not test. You argue it's fine for a woman to do. I consider if its fine for a man to act in the way you have described. I don't think it's right for a man to do that. Therefore it's wrong for a person to do what you have described, male or female. What you are doing is insisting it's fine anyway, rather than trying to address the inherent contradiction of your assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:51 PM
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The same reason she expects him to explain, and justify the statement he makes. She would say she can't just trust the word of a man, that he has to warn her trust and explain his decision in detail in order to see if he's the right fit for her. Why expect this of someone and assume that you are above having to justify yourself to him in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:47 PM
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How is it not the same? Entitlement is entitlement, and it is unjustified whatever form it takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:45 PM
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How? Can she say how? She can't expect to simply declare it and be believed, she, like she'd expect a man, should qualify, justify and explain the cause and effect that has led her to this decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:43 PM
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Look, if I swapped the genders in what you say men should be fine with, so that it's women on the receiving end of it, every man, woman and their dog can see it's wrong. But when it's men on the end of it, all of a sudden its fine despite* nothing in the described behaviour changing!* You say it's not women's problem or responsibility if they act in a anyway that men don't like. That's fine but the reverse must then be true. But nobody thinks that. Everyone says men have to tiptoe and baby every…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:41 PM
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The point is you know full well women hate it. So why would men welcome it then? You think a woman is sitting there going "I really hope he thinks I'm ugly as fuck, but that I can weasel my way in out of sheer usefulness"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:38 PM
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I doubt women are doing that with men who aren't seen as hookup material. Christ if one did that to me it's more a sign that she's drunk out of her head or something has clearly gone very catastrophically wrong for her personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:37 PM
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Casual sex is just sex you have with people you find attractive and don't need to find other reasons to justify your choice. Women have that sort of sex, and then after they don't burden those men with the expectations of covert contracts they've made to themselves to make them feel fine about doing it. Of course men want that. Nobody wants to find out later she only slept with you because she thought that you'd subsequently be honour bound to do something for her any more than women would want …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:31 PM
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That's the line women take, therefore that's the line they should be judged against. Being nice isn't attraction, it's just being nice
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:25 PM
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Just because she won't have casual sex with you doesn't mean she isn't attracted to you. In the absence of any evidence of attraction, only usefulness, what else would you conclude?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:24 PM
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The first is competing with women. The grievance is usually about effort. She doesn't pay for dates. She doesn't approach. She doesn't do whatever he does (real or imagined). And that becomes the whole thing. Not "do I like her, does she like me, are we having a good time" but "is this fair compared to what I'm putting in." As if dating her is a competition between them, and he's losing. And then the next paragraph, when it's how a women would frame that behaviour, it's all fine: And to be clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 12:13 PM
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Because you're literally listing examples of behaviours that you say men are wrong for doing. But they're fine for women apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:59 PM
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But they have had to lower themselves to men they considered beneath them when they could get the men they were attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 05:37 PM
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Lucky him. But most men are in the position where they know women were never attracted to them. That means when one does talk to them they obvious question is "what went so badly wrong that youre having to lower yourself to taking to me then?".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:08 PM
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Positive from the woman's point of view. I doubt they'd mention how they were worse and less attracted to them than the men they were with when they were younger, more carefree and who they had more effortless connection too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:28 PM
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What do you think the whole "oh don't worry women who in their 30s looking for husband material men" comes from?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:24 PM
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If you were being consistent you would recognise that as you being incredibly arrogant and self absorbe, same as if men do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:15 AM
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This is easy to explain. The "average" guy get the most non specific, non committal, maximally deniable "flirting", whereas the attractive man gets the full nine yards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:13 AM
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What's wrong in wanting to divert your efforts towards things that actually will change, as opposed to something that wont
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:52 AM
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Did the women on the thread who were downvoted say they loved their husbands for their wealth, for buying them things, for their quality sperm that made beautiful kids, and whatever else would be the equivalent? You've never heard anything like this? Are your ears sewn shut?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:47 AM
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Bollocks is it. Any man can guarantee if he needs to turn off a woman and get her to leave immediately and never contact him again, all he needs to do is drop "I'm a virgin" because women find it so sickening. We all know it's a severe and fatal moral failing for men. People make moral judgements on other people all the time, this is no different. And no-one bats an eyelid and will be shocked to hear that its wrong to judge men. So it should be for women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:45 AM
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Only if that woman has to lower herself to looking at the pot. That's not sustainable. She won't be able to square her self perceived superiority over him with having to date him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:38 PM
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You are making a lot of assumptions - it’s not dumpster diving if they are viable options is the point But they aren't because the women themselves have put them into that category. Otherwise youd be talking about one pot with 6 men, rather than 2 pots with 4 men they want and 2 that they don't. By literal definition, for women, they are not viable. There is no assumption there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:30 PM
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I have always wanted a man to fall in love with my intelligence, dry wit, varied knowledge, and a bunch of other things. You are literally agreeing with me. You aren't saying " I have always wanted a man to fall in love with my wealth, fertility, homemaking, and a bunch of other things." Nor should you. Neither should men. What about you? You like a woman because she has brown hair, athletic build, perky breasts, high cheekbones? Is this supposed to be meaningful? Hell no, because we all know yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:27 PM
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The fact men think if you aren’t the first guy a woman is attracted to then it’s not worth a relationship speaks a lot more to your lack of understanding of relationships. I don't mean that. I mean it's not worth it if the woman has to literally redefine what attractive is in order for her to consider you then it's not worth it. If I was a certain race that a woman deemed ugly before, there's no way I'm getting involved with her. Same for any other characteristic. If she had a view that any one …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:22 PM
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See that's interesting, what you say there. Complaining about the lack of it certainly. It makes you question what actually about them was attractive - and it's the looks. Enough to make the lack of all of the being nice, showering, hobbies irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:04 PM
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Those men women genuinely were attracted to can talk about what they liked about them. And it will include things about them as a person. But if they only got together with a man because what they can get out of them, they can only really describe them in the same manner as a utility. There's a clear difference. You spend time with the attractive men in your youth because the time spent with them is valuable and exciting, and you are enthusiastic about it. But the useful idiots? Only if it's a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:02 PM
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They could still Compete initially for the same 4 but the difference would be if the last two men were actually seen as options then the women might adjust their expectations Lmao yeah right! Any woman who has adjusted her expectations has never done so willingly. And any choice not made willingly is always never going to last. And why is that supposed to be a good thing? "I was shamed/failed at getting the men I wanted/got older and matured/etc etc. into lowering myself to consider you. Now tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:56 PM
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Yeah you do?! You hear it all the time! "be nice, have showers, have hobbies etc." That must be deliberately shit advice because nobody is saying any of those things are attractive to them personally, but to some ethereal idea of a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:51 PM
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That’s a loss for all the women if 6 women competing for 4 /6 men. 2 women and 2 men going to be left out who Probably want partners. You are imagining that before those 2 men drop out those 6 women are competing for 6 men. They aren't. Those 6 women are competing for only 4 men. Therefore them dropping out doesn't change anything because before and after all 6 women are competing for the same 4 men. If those last 2 men could become viable options then there could be less competition for everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:45 PM
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Yeah. So why would you believe a woman who says she's attracted to you because of that or any other similar pointless reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:29 PM
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But nothing changes aside from not having to deal with unattractive men. She's competing with the same amount of women for the men she wants because those women aren't going to be entertaining the unattractive men either. That's a net benefit, not a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 04:28 PM
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If you were right, those women would be able to describ what they liked about those men without having to say what they benefit from them. They can't. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:40 PM
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Well if they're are trying to make a logical case you'd would think they'd be able to recognise the shortcoming of those men? But if they're decrying them in an entirely unreasonable way, it clearly undermines their argument
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:39 PM
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Once they've had their fun maybe. That's just cashing out chips if you've had a winning streak. If they really loved those men they be able to describe why independent of what those men do for them. Because you know for sure the men she's genuinely was attracted to she could describe in detail things about him they admired etc. that they didn't benefit from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:37 PM
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How does it make it worse for women when the men that are being excluded are the ones women don't want?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 03:33 PM
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I'm quicker to anger if the guy who did something is shorter than me, most guys have this complex though. I think it's extra offensive or just that they are seemingly less of a threat because of their inferior frame. Lmao that's so typical, the amount of times I've been called violent in matches where there a 50/50 ball and the 6ft behemoth juts blithely assumes I'll get out of his way and isn't prepared for the contact vs me trying to win the ball and preparing for the hit after. They're always…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:21 PM
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If a self confessed premier league footballer finds himself on a pay to play contract in the seventh tier, he fucked up big time. Likewise a woman who's had access to abundance and quality having to talk to a normal man for a date has also fucked up big time. Both would get asked what went wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:01 PM
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Treating thenlm like a person shouldn't make them attracted to you. If a woman tells a man that she's attracted to him because he's treating her normally, she's clearly desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 11:42 AM
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It's just judging people badly for having a sexual/romantic past that I disagree with. Why is that? It's fine to judge people at being bad at sex/romance. It's fine to judge people who are inexperienced at sex/romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:30 PM
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Oh come on, women will judge you based on the choices you made on your past. That makes it fair game and proper right? So as it's correct to judge men, hence it is correct to judge women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:31 PM
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It's questioning what went wrong that meant she lost access to the quantity she enjoyed previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:23 PM
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Well yeah, but if they decide to hit below the belt, then they've decided they're fine to keep on doing it. Being nice back won't stop it. Using the first time they do it (and not before, or preemptively) as a declaration that it's open season and all is fair game to do it back, will.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:40 AM
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Only if it's one way only. Apparently it's just what woman fell they have to do. In which case it's a part of the game and they should be equally fine with having it done to them. The adage "don't dish it out if you can't take it" comes to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:17 AM
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So shit test them back. Go full Diego Simeone with the shithousing back and see how they respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:08 AM
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They’re too busy being angry at women for such crimes as “wanting to enjoy a date” or “expecting to have a conversation.” You make it seem as though they don't have conversations with women. They do it all the time. It's just very noticeable that when people go "all you need to do is speak to women normally and with no agenda, and you find some of them will be attracted to you", that they have something you don't, because no conversation ever ends with interest from the other party. So you are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:04 AM
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I wouldn't be cruel enough to say she should put in an indeterminate amount of effort and maybe id give her a chance. Why is this core message being given? This thread is about women who don’t want to have sex with their husbands and why that might happen I guess because she's not attracted to him and is getting her end away elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:41 PM
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Yes, but you are only willing to have that conversation with the men you find attractive. No use bothering if you are filtered out before that. So if you are not passing the filter of "not so ugly she would feel dirty even talking to you", putting effort in isn't going to help is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:33 PM
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That's what women seem to expect men to do to show genuine interest. I'm saying that's it's a clearly absurd requirement. Note I added that she doesn't need that from the men she actually likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:54 PM
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Yeah, that's what you do. She doesn't want to talk? Don't bother her, ever. I'm baffled at the response I get from women when I say this though, it seems to be an affront that I take what they say and act accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:51 PM
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Look maybe you ask once. After that never again. If she's not enthusiastic about it that's not her fault, but it's not your job as a man to change her mind on that. It's also not your job to lie to yourself that "oh she's just shy, she really likes me". What isn't right is this expectation that's your are setting up that the man should engage in some sisiphean effort whilst she goes with someone else with joy. That's bollocks she just likes the other person more. She's not going to come to you, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:09 PM
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I'm talking about her wanting to even entertain the idea of spending time with you. It's telling that for you, women being enthusiastic is just assumed, you must be extremely attractive, and having a chat, sharing a coffee etc. is something that you are lucky enough to not require a visa applications worth of evidence to be eligible for. If I've got to do a DBS check and put a security deposit down to be allowed to talk to someone, I'd just think they don't want to talk to me and not bother. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:21 PM
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This sounds like a person describing a 2 hour long warmup procedure to allow an engine to start up and then going "oh it's very user friendly". Everyone can see that it's not. Maybe a man who has to move heaven and earth to get you in the mood is one you're less attracted to than one who doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 01:02 PM
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He's short so he must have a Napoleon complex. Can't risk that. He's not got a lot of experience so I'll have to teach him stuff. Can't risk that. He's ugly so he's not going to be nice to me. Can't risk that. All those things are acceptable if women do it because their primary responsibility is to themselves. Buts it's based on observation just like what you criticise when men do it. You can't say it's fine for women to do and not fine for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:59 PM
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No it isn’t. When you ignore what a specific woman is telling you and rely on “observing women,” you’re basically projecting patterns you think you’ve seen in other women onto her. Another example of something that is wrong except when a woman does it. Then it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:12 AM
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That's fine. So you ask. And don't get an answer past "because I do". A response so unspecific that it's pointless. You'd conclude that if you ask someone why they like something and they can't answer why, that maybe they don't like it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:35 PM
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Well yeah, if someone says something and does something that don't line up, you'd question it, right? How can it be true that women only go out with men they find attractive yet looks don't matter? They're contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:07 PM
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Well if h s ugly, you aren't attracted to him. People are only motivated to go on a date to get something out of it, whether it's to appreciate their company or enjoy an experience etc. etc. if he's ugly you can't be doing it to appreciate his company because that would imply you'd value it, which b cause he's ugly you would not. Therefore I'd guess such a thing would only happen because you are trying to benefit in some other way. And I'd test that by asking what about him made you want to go o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:58 PM
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So you'd go on a date with a man you thought was ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:53 PM
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A date you would only go on if you found the man physically attractive. It's laughable to pretend it works the other way around. The sentence itself is preposterous: "I liked his behaviour so much I decided to go on a date with him to figure out if he's physically attractive". That wouldn't ever happen and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:49 PM
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Yes. She says something and she is judged on that. What's wrong with that. Men are judged every minute or every day and that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:52 PM
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What they say. She felt lonely - free reig. She felt bored - free rein. She wanted to get one over on him - free rein.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:38 PM
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That women seem to be justified in cheating for reasons that don't justify men cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:29 PM
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One might genuinely find him hot. Another might be drunk and not thinking much about it. Another might simply be horny and think, “eh, he’ll do.” Another might actually be won over because he was charming and fun to talk to. Two of those are definitely not attraction, because nothing about him that she likes is being described here. So they're cases of feigning attraction. The third line is something women say is immoral when men do it to women, and describes a man who ain't actually attracted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:01 PM
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Feigning attraction is an act.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:47 PM
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In making the point that women benefit from being able to act in ways that they don't think men should be able to? Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:19 PM
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Because you, a woman is a perpetrator or because the behaviour itself is acceptable including if a man did it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:32 PM
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But you wouldn't describe yourself as controlling in the same way a man doing what you describe would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:11 PM
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Again, imagine you are fat, ugly, ginger. I then proceed to tell you because of those things you need to cemater to my sexual desires, without question, to personally compensate me for being with someone fat, ugly and ginger. From what you say you respond to that by jumping for joy, celebrating it. Everything you do is for me. If I don't like it, you stop because you aren't allowed to do things that don't make up for your shortcomings. I could go on, but I'm clearly describing an abusive, contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:38 PM
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It reduces the value of what that man is doing to only being worth something because the woman benefits from it. Not in of itself. That's insulting, no matter how you want to assert that it's not. Again, if a woman had a certain passion or skill, but was told it's only value was what it had to her man, rightly, she won't have it. So neither should a man in the exact same situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:22 PM
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That's not the issue. It's being asked to view women's actions with nuance knowing that women wouldn't ever do the same for men. Like cheating. The nuanced view is that whoever cheats felt a lack in their relationships, a void the try and fill with another person. That's sounds like how women's cheating is viewed. Not men. What does that show? Women get to benefit from nuance. Not men. If we're equal, both should or neither, so lowest common denominator it is. No nuance or grace for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:19 PM
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You've only mentioned physical attraction as positive and described how behaviour detracts from it. You haven't mentioned what attracted you for the first man, only claimed that you were. It's all well and good going "there's loads of things that women find attractive in men" but when all that is both mentioned and observed is looks, then its a reasonable conclusion that that is the driving force behind genuine attraction, and other things merely acts as multipliers. Behaviour and personality do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:15 PM
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Why would anyone apply nuance to people who would never give it to them? If I am expected to act without imperfection and judged fatally for any flaw, what's the lesson? That's just the game. You play by those rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:05 PM
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I would want the good things I do or am to stand on their own two feet. If I leaned that it was worth nothing more than an offset for some other aspect I'd nuke the relationship. Do you honestly think any woman would take "the fact you're x, y & z makes up for the fact that you are fat, ugly & ginger, I love that you want to overcompensate for those shit things about you" in the way you expect men to take it?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:02 PM
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Why do you think having to overcompensate is a good thing? Its always used as a pejorative. Would you welcome being described for having to overcompensate for your looks, race or wealth?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:56 AM
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Yeah, so you think we should ask those women. Fine, ask a woman what influenced her decision. If he's attractive she mentions it. If he isn't she dances around it. You observe the ommission and judge accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:53 AM
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I don’t use the word “gay” as an insult, I just know that on social media people do Why not? Using your logic you'd happily call a homophobe gay to hurt them. How are you squaring that with your statement that you don't use the word "gay" as an insult? Surely with your reasoning anything can be used to hurt someone as an insult, sexuality, race, gender, religion, all of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:11 PM
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How can it be an insult if they don't think it's a bad thing? That's nonsensical. The fact that they use it as an insult is conclusive proof they think it's bad. Would you call him gay to hurt him? No, right? Because being gay isn't a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:40 PM
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Let's just chalk this up or the infallible woman then. They are perfect beings etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:28 AM
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How would she believe him? Her actions don't reflect that, especially when they cite his unattractiveness as a reason to think he's trying to fool them. Women ascribe malevolent intent to men who are unattractive more than men who are attractive, despite attractiveness not being a factor in whether a person is actually deceitful or not. It's even cultural, in stories and films etc. ugliness is a visual signifier for evil intent. And futhermore women shit test ugly men more and for longer than at…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:25 AM
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If she finds him attractive, she might want to date him based on that. Right, because she believes his words that he wants something serious with her. She believes that's true. But if he weren't attractive, she thinks he's just lying to get her interested because his ugliness means he has to lie to be an option. The truth is there's no difference between either man in terms of the validity of their words. She's just willing to trust one and not the other. That is her choice and the consequences …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:42 AM
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How is it mens fault that women are unable or unwilling for men to have actual fucking feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:11 AM
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Exactly, she's not attracted to him so it doesn't matter what he says. But if he's attractive she's more willing to believe it, despite what's being said not being any more or less plausible. It's a basic is/is not test. Has the story changed? No. Has the man telling the story changed? Yes. Has the woman's willingness to listen changed? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:10 AM
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Well yeah, isn't that the point? They become willing to believing anything she says, how are women any different?! And when afterwards we all reconvene the men were being fucking idiots who weren't thinking, and let her use them and then discard them, how are the women who do the same thing and better? They're also being fucking idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 07:45 AM
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Do you think men who manipulate do not exist? You can only manipulate the willing, never the unwilling. Sure a man may have spun a yarn, but the woman can only fall for it if she's motivated to believe his story, it's not like she would believe the exact same story coming from a short ugly man a. Thats because she is not motivated to believe his story. She doesn't suspend her disbelief for him, but she will for the man sh finds attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:37 AM
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no inherent sense of decency or desire to respect women and treat us well, merely doing so if they don't have the "option" to get a new partner. As if this doesn't also describe women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 12:31 AM
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Quick thought experiment: Would you be as blase about him talking to his friend about how you compare in bed, exactly what you do, your quirks and what your reactions are, how you feel and what you let him do to you in detail, so much so that his friends know how to play you isln the same intimate detail he does? Would that be all fine?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:26 PM
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Let's say you confide a secret to someone. Then they tell everyone in earshot. You l are mad and hurt, but it's fine and you shouldn't because when you told them you didn't explicit say not to tell anyone. That's your line isn't it? Could be something personally devastating but because you didn't say to them not to tell anyone else (and despite all context) him deciding to tell everyone is actually as it turns out according to you completely justified, and actually how dare you even suggest he's…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:14 PM
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Why would anyone share something personal with someone who's incapable of keeping their mouth shut at best, and at worst thinks that now they know they have the right to tell everyone about it, their feelings be damned. You'd never tell them a word, but according to you, that's his fault for hurting her feeling kg and not hers for being so inconsiderate its better to shut her out because she won't shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:58 PM
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You think it's controlling? What does that make the women who assume they have the conceited right to speak about things that have nothing to do with themselves? I don't want people to discuss things that only concern me and that makes me controlling? I can't imagine what it must be like to be a person who assumes they have the inaliable right to disseminate information about other people, purely because they think they're above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:54 PM
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That fact you think it's a perfectly normal thing to discuss things you have no right to discuss is indicative that the person you are talking about has no importance. Otherwise you would only discuss things that are happy to be discussed, a category that only they have the right to define, and about which if you had any respect for them you would not blithely assume you had the right to talk about
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:32 PM
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“Maybe I've had to be reminded to take out the garbage. But I've definitely had to remind women that my personal business isn't content for group chats. Somehow that never gets the same energy.” Youll argue that he should have to told to take the bins out. Fairly. And then you say she needs to be told that talking about his business isn't on? That's exhibit A in women never thinking their shit could possibly stink! She shouldn't be told. She should know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:12 PM
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Better to be able to have chances to fuck up than to never even have the prospect of a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 12:44 AM
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If you cannot get anyone to hook up with you then obviously you’re not that desirable it is what it is Exactly. So why would you want any such men to deluxe themselves into thinking that women actually desire them and always to have serious relationships with them when they are clearly inhumanly ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:47 PM
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I'm qestional.the underlying assumption that all harm is done by men and only women are harmed. All your example are assuming that women are the victim. It's not unreasonable to infer from that that the principle you hold is that women are always morally right, and men are always wrong, as that seems to be the starting point you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 06:52 PM
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Can't he ask the same question?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:44 PM
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That's what she may say, but its not necessarily what she actually does
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:21 PM
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She may say that. Doesn't mean that's what she'll do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:21 PM
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So we agree. But you do seems uncomfortable with the idea that wen should be called out for it. Would you call.out a woman for it, even if it made her feel bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:19 PM
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If there are no guarantees in relationships, why should men have to prove anything or show any concern for anything on the woman's side? Because women consider that necessary. Sounds a lot like women have guarantees in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:18 PM
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Sure, I would imagine he'd be pretty mad about entering a covert contract agreeing to enter a relationship with her that he wasn't informed about. Sounds like the woman in this situation doesn't understand informed consent at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:16 PM
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And why the fuck would you accept dating a woman who thinks that about you? I wouldn't. What wrong with saying it out loud? Women are empowered to criticise men. Why cant I openly criticise this. I certainly am going to say a woman doing thing that she's full of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 05:05 PM
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Oh come on, you can't seriously think that this isn't what's forcing women to do this? There's a load of context clues that point to this. Having to lower their standards for how tall a man is. Having to lower thier standards for how rich a man is. Having to pretend that they are attracted to uglier men than they wanted. Having to think about a man who would form an acceptable choice for family/cultural reasons. Having to loosen basically any standard they held previously when younger basically.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:49 PM
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Why? It's just an accurate assessment of her. What's pathetic is years of thinking they're above the little people down there and then having to engage with the filthy proles because you fucked it up so badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:41 PM
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You don't get it. This isn't what you think it's describing which is two people while had a past. It's a woman who only wanted tall dark and handsome, only a particular race because its what excites them, and would have loudly insulted you for even thinking about talking to them. And now they want "to settle down, don't need excitement, someone who'll be acceptable for their parents and understands their culture, oh its fine that you aren't super tall, or super handsome etc." And you know you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:29 PM
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Because it logically makes no sense to make this conclusion. Thinking that if a woman has some casual experience, but then stops, it is because she all of the sudden turned asexual and stopped being attracted to men is straight up wrong. I don’t think it’s common to become asexual randomly throughout life. It's not that she has become asexual. It's just a clear sign shes not attracted to him specifically. A man who she's attracted to could walk in the next day and she'd be all over him, and he k…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:18 PM
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Why would she get upset about it? Only the men she's not attracted to will conclude this. The men she is attracted to won't because she'll actually be enthusiastic with them. She wins either way, so what's the bloody problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:15 PM
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The fact of the matter is, that the person who decided to go out on a date with you, at that moment, is interested in you. Only because things went wrong for her. If they hadn't you remain someone she'd turn her nose up at. That's what you are. Someone reliant on something devastatingly bad to happen to someone for them to lower themselves to you. Why on in the world would it be a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 04:03 PM
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It's accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:57 PM
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I don’t believe men should be entitled to sex from women just because she had casual sex before. Correct, but he is entitled to not having to engage in the delusional charade that she likes him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:55 PM
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Yes exactly, you judge men on their lack of sexual prowess. So what's wrong with judging women in return? Why the willingness to dish it out but the shock about having to take it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:54 PM
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Oh, you think relationships are about guarantees? Pull the lever and you get X, Y, and Z? Women. That's who think that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:41 PM
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That sounds like a shitty concealed contract that she's tried to enter into with him, that's all on her, not him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:37 PM
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If that were truly the case then it would be framed as something women engaged in to show their attraction to that man, not as something that was supposed to leverage them into a relationship. You can't simultaneously hold the opinion that men who don't enter a relationship with women are using them and that sex isn't something used to encourage and reward men women want to be in relationships with. They contradict one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:36 PM
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It's not a reward, it's something to be enjoyed. It's just blindingly clear that women only enjoy with certain men, so what's wrong with concluding that those are the men women actually want to be with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:32 PM
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How exactly is it heartbreaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:28 PM
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He wants to be treated like an ultra Chad despite knowing he isn't very attractive or is mid. Obviously you hold the opinion that woman who demand to be treated like princesses and wined, dined and made to seem like the Most Important Woman in the World on dates despite knowing they aren't exactly hot shit themselves (basically all Valentines day is about) are some delusional and degenerate women who are fucked up in the head. No? How interestingly one sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:59 AM
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How the fuck are you managing to deride a man for doing exactly what you fete women for doing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:48 AM
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Its creating a picture of actual attraction from women, useful if you've never personally experienced it and dont want to be fooled by a woman merely imitating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:03 AM
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But unfortunately it was just sexual and just one night but damn what a night! It’s really bad if you use that moment to compare other guys to. And you or other women dont?!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 09:01 AM
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How is holding the opinion that a woman wanting to fuck someone solely because they're attractive is fine but a man wanting to fuck someone solely because they're attractive is wrong not hypocrisy?!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 03:10 PM
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I've never done it. But everyone persistently advises me to and it's baffling. Especially when I ask if I should the expect the same from the woman in question and the answer is always "No, why would she?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 06:55 AM
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I don't understand why you are so offended by the existence of a descriptive term
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:37 AM
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Right, you should just leave her alone, you should leave all women alone. But again that's somehow a problematic statement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:24 PM
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And I think that is what some women are reacting to when they push back on that phrase. Because when you say you feel like a dancing monkey, it implies the woman is sitting there as a superior judge, demanding tricks, dehumanizing you. Most women are not sitting on a throne waiting to be impressed And if that's precisely what they are doing, we can't say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:12 PM
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It was like a fever breaking. Lust or no, I realized he was not someone I could build that romantic love with. Take away the lust, and there was nothing. I moved on. Was I using him? No. My feelings were legit. But they burned out. If you were a man saying this about a woman, absolutely you'd be a lying, deceptive user and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 01:50 PM
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Right but who you are motivated to get to know is not uninfluenced by popularity or looks is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:28 PM
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But if he's an adult human being, such an attribute denies him his agency - that's completely injustice and unfair. You cant be fair to a person and see them as inferior. You can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:50 PM
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As a person you can only be responsible to those under yoru power - your inferiors
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:47 PM
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As an inferior being. One who you don't actually take seriously, how could you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:41 PM
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You wouldn't call someone inferior if you don't think of them as inferior You'd only say such a thing if you believe it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:39 PM
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The description betrays your self perception of yourself as superior, and his as inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:37 PM
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I'm not sure you can claim anything about having a sense of fairness likening men to pets.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:31 PM
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It's at least a better position to take than the women who happily embrace the benefits of benevolent sexism whilst claiming that they have a principled opposition to sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:24 PM
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There is no one singular thing that is a foolproof, “If she does this, she’s attracted to you” signal. You have to look at behaviors as a whole, all of them together. This would be believable if women extended the same grace to men. But if a man does something the wrong way, he's out. Clearly women do not "look at behaviours as a whole".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:23 AM
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What is the point for asking for something that the other party would never in a million years accept? Unless you were trying to get her to leave l, the I'd see the utility in it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:24 PM
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That's true, but the person contributing to the situation they perceive as unsatisfactory and harmful to themselves always has the greater onus on them to stop facilitating their own harm. In this case, that's the woman. The man's contribution is suiting him just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 02:21 AM
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That man? Obviously not. Another completely unrelated man that you are acting as if he did that to you? Yeah, fucked up. You do see that a lot on the discourse as to why women distrust men. They act as if the guilt of the actions of the tiny minority of men at the apex of wealth and power can be ascribed to the rest of us. That the wrongs that were suffered in the past are the fault of those alive today. And you may not personally but the in group preference that women have can and is that stron…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:09 AM
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Are you saying empathy has to be uncritical agreement? I mean for example your man hating era, what's wrong about understanding why you say that but also going "that's really fucked up and wrong of you"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:01 AM
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Like a woman who actually finds ylu attractive will sleep with you immediately. Even if yall are trying to form a romantic relationship. And they never consider being attracted to the man is the bare minimum. But we have to choose to have sex or not based on a million other factors beyond just physical attraction. Like our saftey and emotional security that men just don't think about. Yes but those other factors from the way women talk about it becomes less prominent the more attractive the man …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:58 AM
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Why do red pill men feel entitled to Automatic sex to prove she is attracted to him? We all want something that makes us feel desired or seen in the way we feel most understood I don't know about automatic sex but id say if it seems like she's not excited to spend time with me or she's only there because she had nothing better to do/had to compromise to see me then yeah, if say I'd feel entitled to not want to have to deal with that. That's being desired right? Or is that unreasonable? Notice I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 02:02 AM
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But why do you require automatic validation of your feelings and statements? Surely the validation only has meaning if it's actually what someone thinks, why means they need to be able to not validate you if they don't agree with you. It sounds more like you want a man to state your opinions in his voice, and god knows it's annoying when men demand that. Why would it suddenly be fine for women to demand that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:34 AM
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And I would hope id be able to do that for him You expect actions and behaviour from men that you merely hope you are able to reciprocate? Like it's fine for you to not do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 01:11 AM
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And any woman who there's even a suspicion of not actually desiring but trying to trick me into thinking she does is similarly disgusting to me. However I can't demand that she does find me desirable, I have never thought that. You on the other hand are insisting that men take what you tell them and desire that, in an up is down way. Not only that, but when told men don't see it as a good thing, you insist they change their opinions and actions to suit you, rather than recognising that you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 02:46 PM
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You can't make men think that as much as men can't make women attracted to ugly men. It's a wish you have, not an order you can give
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 01:58 PM
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Nothing in the first list is contradicted by what's listed in the second. And given that the men in the first criteria are the ones the women look for/take notice of/the only men women have physical attraction towards, those men get a chance to then demonstrate their ability to meet the criteria in the second list. And as for men who only fit the criteria of one list, at least the hookup material only men get to spend time with genuinely excited, attracted and enthusiastic women. The husband mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:45 AM
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What you've said there makes it easy to understand why settling is clearly a bad thing, and both men and women's men understand that clearly. But switch the genders and suddenly women seem to b come deaf and dumb to it being wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:56 AM
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That lying to men, either directly or by omission, is seen as permissible by women. But if you hold to the principle that it's a bad thing to do you should punish it as you would when a man does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 07:02 AM
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As with everything, it's not the right thing to do... except if you are a woman. And rather than treating women as harshly as you would treat a man who lies to get what he wants, women are cheered on for doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:51 AM
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How much, if at all, does personality matter when it comes to being successful with women. Does it matter more than LMS, less than LMS, the same amount etc… I disagree with the framing here. It's not really relevant whether looks are more or less important than personality, women do say both that personality has been what turns women off men they are highly physically attracted to and women say that if they aren't attracted to men is doesn't matter how good his personality is. What is revealed h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:44 PM
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Both are possible, women are perfectly within their rights to demand standards that seem to outside observers comically inflated
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:43 PM
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What others are there and how many months is/pounds spent are they shown? I would say being excited to meet and spend time with someone is on,e independent of the thing you are doing together (so excited to spend time with some primarily as opposed to doing the activity primarily). I've seen that a lot. Unattractive men don't get that. Actually for me that's the main one. So much of dating advice for ugly men boils down to "keep on trying and asking women out because eventually you'll get an in.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:05 PM
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A woman might not be ready for a relationship bc of work or she’s dealing with things with her family or in her personal life or she’s planning to move etc. It’s not always bc she’s busy with Chad and then only decides to settle down when he dumps her. True, but that doesn't mean she's celibate or abstaining from dating. She'll still be dating and hooking up. Just with the men she actually finds valuable. Women constantly say actively dating and having sex poses significant risks to them. I beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:47 PM
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Because that's shaming language and judging her
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:41 PM
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Well I'd say it's a pretty solid assumption that a woman isn't attracted to you if she doesn't act, well, attracted to me. Sure I could just wait and see at what point she seems comfortable to share personal space, actually seems interested in spending time with you (as opposed to looking forwards to the thing that you'll be doing primarily )etc, but id say that's a comprehensive not interested and I'll be damned if I'm going to be fooled into believing it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 04:40 PM
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If the relationships requires early sex, then relationship is not the primary goal. If the relationship requires early male financial investment, then the relationship is not the primary goal
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:34 AM
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not saying that never happens but that seems like a very sad, cynical way to view the women you want to date. People grow and change. Just because someone is ready to settle down doesn’t mean they aren’t attracted to their spouse. It's feasible to think when she wants to settle down that she will want to do so with the tall attractive men she slept with in her past. Just the subset of them that are more stable in life. What's bullshit is that story that the short ugly men she found repulsive in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:28 AM
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Standards typically increase. So being willing to meet a man who would have been too short or ugly etc for you previously represents a regression in standards. Which is clearly unrealistic and therefore incredibly suspect
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:22 AM
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The thought process you expressed, which many men have expressed on this sub, strikes me as very black and white thinking on a nuanced topic. Nah, it's nuanced when it comes to how women act, and black and white when it comes to how men act.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:08 AM
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So why then demonise the men who hear that and go "yeah, I'm out, it's not my job to wait around for someone who isn't attracted to me"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:19 AM
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Mutually. At least it's mutual gratification. When a relationship is framed as a trade of providing effort and assistance in someone's life in return for something you have no use for, then yeah why the hell would anyone feel that's a desirable choice? When women think a relationship is not worth the effort, that's all fine. If a man methinks so? He's selfish, and shaming, and small. That's a ridiculous double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:59 AM
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"why aren't you earning enough money", "ive had bigger better men than you before", "I only decided to meet up with you because I couldn't get what I really wanted" Oh yeah, sounds like men should be really psychologically comfortable enthused and horny for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:51 AM
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The perk is the relationship with the woman. And we all know that y'all don't value relationships. When women frame that as her doing things for you that you already do for yourself, and fuck all more, then yeah such a relationship has no value. The amount of times I've been told "a girlfriend would do x, y & z for you" is numerous. But I already do all that shit. Will she be excited about me as a person? No? Then what's the fucking point? To do what, provide utility in her life in return? The w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 05:46 AM
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I agree in principle, however the following statement: "If a man is happy being single then he can have whatever standards he wants" just wouldn't fly
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:31 AM
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Right and that's the logical conclusion when the overwhelming response to being asked what wives like about their husbands are the things they get from him. Nothing to do with who he is as a person, how good he is at things. No. Just what they get out of him. A bargain basement piece of equipment, thrown away the moment it's no longer useful. And if asked what they liked about their flings, hookups etc? Who they are as people, what they're skilled at. Like living breathing flawed human beings, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 07:07 PM
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That's almost all women, given that they're actually attracted to the man in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:45 PM
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So when he marries, he is “settling”, and his boring wife is his last choice lame boring ball-and-chain after he had all his fun in the past with women he was far more attracted to. He views marriage as setting and fucking around as the best option— seems like you expect women to stupidly want to be settled for by a guy who hates wife material anyways. Clearly yes. What woman wouldn't respond to being told "yeah I say I'm attracted to you, but first heres an exhaustive laundry list of things you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:43 PM
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Everywhere I've been, unwelcome advances has been grounds for removal from a premises.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 01:10 AM
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Tell them to fuck off then. That you'll get someone to remove them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:59 AM
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Preferences are fine, and expected in dating. I have no issue with that. But I wouldn't tell someone who doesn't fit my preferences that they should be fitting my preferences, so by the same token I wouldn't expect to be told by women whose preferences I don't fit that I should fit them. So you want someone who's good at sex to form a relationship with, that's fine. But then what is the point of telling virgins that they have to be good at sex? They're virgins, definitionally they won't be. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:58 AM
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The purpose of someone insulting someone is to hurt their feelings. In the case of someone who isn't desired sexually, the insult may break any attraction and thus reduce or eliminate future interactions with them. Therefore, if someone is using an insult to tell someone off, it's highly effective if it hurts them enough that it makes them not want to come back. If someone is constantly bullying you or beating the shit out of you, is going "you're short, and ugly" going to do anything? Of course…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:46 AM
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I did. Neither, the premise is inherent pointless because it achieved nothing. What does attempting to insult someone achieve? Nothing. Therefore what's the point of doing it? You can only say what you actually think about them. If they're genuinely horrible, or mean, or cruel. I say it, because I think those things are bad. So if you call someone a virgin to insult them it must mean you think being a virgin is bad. It's as black and white as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:33 AM
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There is a person who thinks lazy people suck. He sees someone that he wishes to insult I guess where we disagree is that you feel some sort of moral imperative that you need to insult people just to hurt them, whereas I just think it's an entirely pointless endeavour. I just wouldn't insult them. If asked id problem say I think they're lazy, but not to hurt them. I'd just be saying what I think. So I'd only be saying that is bad thing because I think it's bad. But trying to hurt someone for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:20 AM
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Would you insult someone by calling them tall, attractive, smart, resourceful? It's possible someone out there would feel hurt by that, so why wouldn't you do just that if you wanted to hurt them. Or does the idea of calling someone attractive and smart to insult seem inherently absurd?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:08 AM
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It's not. People back them up and make them think they're right and deserving instead, just because they're women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:27 PM
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Look if you insult anyone for a particular reason, anyone seeing that would think "they must think being that thing is bad". So Trump mocks disabilities - it's a fair conclusion that for Trump, being disabled is a bad thing Someone insults a persons intelligence - they must think not being intelligent is bad And so on. Surely you see that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:07 PM
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If I called a woman a virgin it would mean nothing to her and wouldn't hurt her feelings If you did that, what anyone observing you would conclude that it's because you think being a virgin is bad If im trying to make a vain woman insulted ill attack her looks. Not cuz I value looks but because she does An observer would conclude that you think being ugly is bad If I want to insult a woman or person who values their intellect I will insult their intelligence and call them stupid. An observer wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:04 PM
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But you are saying "but they don't really mean it"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 10:59 PM
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The point is, you would only use it as an insult if it's something you regard as a negative. Anybody, including you who uses virgin as an insult only does so because they regard it as a shameful thing to be. Would someone who things there's nothing wrong with being homosexual use gay as an insult? Of course not. You can't obfuscate the fact that you think virginity is a shameful thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:17 PM
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As i commented to another person, that's bullshit. You can't go round and say to people you don't like "Paki this, n-word that, chinky whatever" and then claim "I only said those things because they were dicks and I knew those words would hurt them the most because they were brown/black/east asian" Nah mate, you're just fucking racist. Same for using virgin as an insult "just cause it hurts men". That just means you despise virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:08 AM
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I'm sorry, that's bullshit. You can't go round and say to people you don't like "Paki this, n-word that, chinky whatever" and then claim "I only said those things because they were dicks and I knew those words would hurt them the most because they were brown/black/east asian" Nah mate, you're just fucking racist. Same for using virgin as an insult "just cause it hurts men". That just means you despise virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:06 AM
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Like a woman announces on a first date that she has absolutely nothing going for her, not school, not work, nothing, doesn't intend to raise her own kids either or help whatsoever around the house, and the majority of men are going to think "yup, that's wife material right there." Whether or not a man is going to accept that doesn't affect the fact that women expect men to accept it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:49 AM
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I would absolutely be fine with a man expecting me to maintain an attractive weight, keep my depression at a manageable level, etc Oh, I'm talking about the only way you are seen as fit to associate with is if you do everything they want, as they want when they want, without question. And if you don't, you are some ungrateful horrible goblin. I've had enough of that from parents, extended family, random fuckers who I don't even know. Why the fuck would I accept that voluntarily from a woman, whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 09:36 PM
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Celibacy and virginity is by definition out of your control as ending it requires the consent of another person. The difference is I identified that as the main problem, so I was able to make progress on it and start having sex. Yes, you just start having sex. Only a woman could genuinely say that. Even though you have personal weaknesses and you may work on them, it won't matter since that's the sort of thing that only becomes apparant on knowing somebody. The issue occurs way before that. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:32 PM
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Because the looks are all that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:32 PM
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You can have perfectly high self esteem and recognise that women wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot bargepole. I don't see how you could ignore that, navigating through life knowing that whilst having high self esteem means knowing how to avoid putting yourselves in pointless situations with women, or that any apparent attraction or attention will be faked. It's the fact you value yourself that means you know not to be fooled by it. Also I'm not saying cutting off desire is what you should do. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 03:25 PM
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If what you say is true that women are not attracted to a majority of men, but that at the same time womens attraction is disparate, then you would see a fairly even distribution of female attention across the male population. You don't. What you do see is that there is a clear hierarchy in popularity, some men are clearly more attractive to women than others. Therefore women's taste must be more similar and alike than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:40 AM
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They are not an automatic red flag. Virgins can be good at sex the first time, similar to how I was good at sex the first time after a decade of celibacy with essentially no memory of what sex was like How is that remotely similar? You knew men could and would be attracted to you. You knew that sex is something you had done before, and successfully. No matter how long it had been, that's an unfalsifiable fallback you can rely on. By definition, as a virgin, that isn't there. What is there not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:06 AM
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So your response boils down to "no, it doesn't affect your sense of self because virgins should change their sense of self to deal with it" Do you understand what that means? If you are a human being connection is vital to your sense of self, and yes that includes romantic and sexual. If your advice is to mutilate it by cutting off the desire for romantic and sexual connection, you are advising virgin men to stop being human. I doubt you would tell women they should do that. And once you have do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:55 AM
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How is it pessimism if its real? You said that if they're bad first it's a red flag. Well if you are a virgin you are an automatic red flag then. Its an automatic failure on your part, and it means it becomes pointless to try and pursue women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 08:46 AM
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or who does want sex but it just hasn’t happened and they don’t let it impact their sense of self, The thing is, how could it possibly not impact your sense of self?! Asking for that is tantamount to saying the man shouldn't be human.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:24 PM
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So you have to be good at it first time round otherwise you are forever useless? That's great odds, it's a mystery why male virgins think they're doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:23 PM
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And women use the same rationale to decide on whether they are receptive to men, irrespective of what the man goes on to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:20 PM
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There is no dating scene. It's a non-entity
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:19 PM
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Women absolutely want to be approached by attractive men. Men who are self aware that that doesn't include them therefore don't approach women. Somehow that's a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:18 PM
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Entirely. Because it would be over. It's like original sin. It sullies and poisons everything after.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:51 PM
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Well yeah. Women don't value interacting with normal men at all. So if that's happening it much therefore only be because something is forcing her into doing that. And why would anyone value an interaction driven by nothing other than compulsion?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:15 PM
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Women do the same thing though. Attention is valued or not dependent on the looks of the man providing it. You can't castigate men for it and then at the same time give women a free pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:19 AM
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Preconceived? We've seen our conversation is less than worthless to women. We're just acting accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 08:12 AM
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Right, because the old women weren't the younger women in the past
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:09 AM
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Who else would you socialise with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:52 PM
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Where does anyone go to be social? I don't go to pubs and bars on my own, that'd be pointless. There's nobody to talk to, you have to buy an expensive drink and sit there. Its not worth bothering with unless you are with some friends. Is your idea of being social just appearing somewhere and that's enough? That's revealing
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:47 PM
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That's a loaded and dumb question. Obviously it's never started because women aren't ever going to be interested. You go somewhere to be social, you go be social. Then you go home. There's no point looking around
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:40 PM
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What I like in people is irrelevant and secondary. It doesn't matter what you like if you aren't ever going to have women want to get to know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:08 PM
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Going to a class and vibing with someone after chit chatting after class and light flirting is completely fine and not predatory. If you are going to class to learn, you do so and then leave. The focus on the learning part of it means you aren't going round looking at other people, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:56 AM
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This is the thing. Dating is not feasible when what it requires is you asking them out, you showing them a good time, but not the other way round.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:54 AM
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So in a social situation, being social is special? Come on. That's just nonsense. And why would I ask her for coffee any more than she would? She wouldn't even bother, would she? That would be because she's not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:52 AM
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Whats the functional difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:47 AM
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What's wrong with it? Women are obvious if they find a man attractive, this just wastes less time and energy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:45 AM
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This makes no sense. You can only do that by initially being indiscriminate and then from experience narrowing it down. Women's confidence in this regard comes from this: dating and fucking all sorts of men. Which means that women like yourself are all looking down on and criticising indiscrimination in men even though its exactly the behaviour they themselves engaged in earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 11:34 AM
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There's a difference in desire, urgency, and excitement between friendship and attraction though. Why is it important that men conflate the two? This is not something we try and trick women into thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:31 PM
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That's friendship. Not attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:50 PM
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"we have a laugh and get along" is categorically not "shes attracted to me". I'm not a moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:49 PM
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That's the "we get along as mates" bucket. Cool bucket. Can't get out of it though. If it did it's only because there is a hole in the bucket and that's only happened because something has gone very badly wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:49 PM
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That's great and all, but you are ignoring that her interactions with you are all within the context of the shared activity. Take that away, and you have nothing. There's no reason for her to say yes. I mean you make friends and all, obviously, and do stuff socially with them. You aren't asking them out though are you? Whether they're a man or a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:29 PM
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Explain how going to an event or a class with covert motives isn't inherently predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:13 PM
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Someone meet on job/classes You're there to work and learn some join hobby group You're there to enjoy your hobby Some meet in bar. You're there to get drunk knew a guy who joined dance class to meet woman Surely then if he's not there to focus on dancing, he's being predatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:03 PM
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Look, when those attraction triggers require conscious thought on the part of a woman, that's a really bad sign. Attraction is automatic and unconscious, not a cold clinical decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:25 PM
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You can be the party without being attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:23 PM
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They've got to b open to you as well. And it's painfully clear who they are happy talking to and who they are flirting with. It's a two way thing. You can't talk at, flirt at, date at or have sex at people. Without the openess for it to come the other way, it's not happening, and it's clear when that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:23 PM
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Plenty of people are highly social, gregarious, popular without being desired. This idea that being social is all it takes for women to be open to you is delusional. Men will go somewhere to enjoy themselves, see friends, see something, and know that's all that's going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 02:50 PM
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But if you are going to limit it to apps, and you think b cause I'm not on apps my statement is void, how the fuck are you able to just blithely state woman are better than men on the apps? You're a woman, you'd have zero experience or how women are on the apps and by your own logic your opinion is also void
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:15 PM
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Your statement was about men and women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:07 PM
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I occasionally have couple of months where i have lots of dates and sometimes sex. It always feels like i do dumpster dive to get some decent options. Not that i've swarmed with all so good men and occasionally i have someone sleazy. Almost always i feel like i need to compromise to have a date. And that's only my hookup criteria. I'm so tired of men telling me how good i have it. Sure, i can have men's attention in a quantity they never dreamed of about women's attention, but the quality is als…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:05 PM
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On apps? I'm way too ugly for that, I'm just going my real life. Women are not shy about letting you know.if you are beneath them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:53 PM
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This is how women speak to you to make sure you know they're amazing and you're a piece of shit" - give me example and i give you mine. From real experience, don't make it up. "What the fuck is wrong with you? Go stand over there." At a bar. Where you order drinks. Or "I'm an associate something or other, and you're not even anywhere management" Or "Shut up, short boy" "Constantly. You think greeting women like normal is commensurate to their status as amazing, powerful uberwomen? Obviously not.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:46 PM
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and they start to tell me something specifically crude, in a malicious way just to put me in my place, when did something similar happened to you? This is how women speak to you to make sure you know they're amazing and you're a piece of shit How about a guys who open with insults and expectations that i will jump to prove that i'm different. And i mean insults. That just saying hi was dumb or something. Share similar experiences and how often are those? Constantly. You think greeting women like…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:39 PM
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Personally? No. But putting conditions on others? Loads of times
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:15 PM
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Your example is when was the last time a woman thought a man could only date her if he's willing to pay ridiculous amounts of money out of pocket? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:46 PM
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. I do believe that men don't deal with anything approximate to what women deal with, based on what i hear from men, and how they react when i tell them stuff, show them stuff, or talk to them as other men talk to me. And what do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:37 PM
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Sure, i can have men's attention in a quantity they never dreamed of about women's attention, but the quality is also not something they have dealt with. That's clearly a statement negatively comparing the quality of men to the quality of women, even if it's only implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:00 PM
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My point is your inbuilt bias is clear: you think all women are wonderful and all men are perverse and horrible. Otherwise you wouldnt blithely state that the quality of women is better than the quality of men. If one group had 100 red m&ms and another 5 blue m&ms you would like obviously say the group with red m&ms are better off because they have more and there's no real difference between red and blue m&ms. Anybody could follow that reasoning. But you, like others somehow think it's incompreh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:50 PM
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Why this assumption that the women men come across are any better than the men women come across? The quality is no different, the women just have more opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 02:39 PM
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Nah, sexuality is a core part of being human. Only if you are a woman or an attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:36 PM
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I don't understand what you mean by this
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:50 PM
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I don't think attraction is negotiable at all. I wouldnt trust the word of a person who said they didn't find me attractive until they did. That to me is like someone claiming they made a perpetual motion machine. It's delusional. And then it places the burden on me to choose to entertain a woman who claims she finds me attractive, despite me knowing that it can't be true and that she likely only thinks that because something's forced her into thinking it. So I have to choose to make use of some…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 01:11 AM
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You say you would have passed on him if it were a dating app. What could possibly be different in person?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 01:00 AM
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That sounds tragic if I'm honest. If I wasn't a woman's type, it's reasonable that she ignores me. If I wasn't a woman's type and she didnt pass me up I'd question what the fuck went wrong for her to force her into association with a man she finds ugly as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:43 AM
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And women hate being given access and drinks for free right? Pull the other one. There's no way that a woman evaluates a man online differently to a man in person. All there's to go on are looks. Assuming they're good enough, then his persona, just as easily faked online as in real life. Then his claimed skills. Again, online or in person could be true, could be lies. No difference. The men that pass online will pass it in person, so there's no difference
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:32 AM
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irl meet ups in public areas are most women's go-to meet up places that I know of Right, and who are women open to meeting in those spaces? The men they like on apps. Dating apps are the way they are because they cater to women's preferences, they aren't some parallel space where the rules of attraction are completely different to real life. They cater to women, therefore they have to be shaped in a way that offer women the men women want. Online or offline, the men women will choose are exactly…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:20 PM
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Why would women care? A future in which they don't even see the unattractive men? That's a win. The only men that they encounter are all attractive? Massive win.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:16 PM
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What if you unbetray her by murdering all possible thoughts and feelings about her the moment you realise you are having them? Surely women should want men to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:14 AM
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It's as useful as strategising about what you will do after you've scored a hat trick in the world cup final as a double amputee
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 02:12 PM
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Because whilst I do believe women when they say they are open to being approached more, to being flirted with and chatted up, I'm not naive and stupid enough to believe that applies to any men other than attractive men. I am evidently not an attractive man, therefore there will never be a situation in which my company or conversation will be welcomed rather than reviled
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:45 AM
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Heartbroken? Not a chance. Personally insulted? Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 11:24 AM
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Because it's fine for women to do it. And if it's fine for women to do it to men, it's fine for men to do it to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:26 AM
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So it's fine for you, as a woman, to end a potential connection with a man because he's not into you enough, but woe betide any man who does the same to a woman?! What's wrong with what he's saying? If a woman doesn't seem attracted enough to you, cut her off.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 09:23 AM
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You cant demand that though. Because who is going to legislate who the correct demographic that matters is? You may well go, "obviously we should all care about women, you should put womens interests above all others". What happens when it's no longer women then, and someone else. Will you go along with it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:24 PM
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You have no idea what my opinion on this subject is or where I'm from. I think that being told to have opinions solely on what benefits others rather than being allowed to come to your own decisions for your own reasons is wrong. And I think you do too, given that if I were to say you have to vote a certain way because of the men in your life, or an ethnic minority, or a class, etc etc. you would reject it because you should have the right to choose your own opinions and to choose your own reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 04:10 PM
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True, but why would that be a reason to influence an opinion on this, in either direction. I doubt you or any other women would take kindly to being told that they have to hold a certain opinion because "what about how the men in your life would be affected by it".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:45 PM
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A man who's unattractive isn't going to have a girlfriend, or wife, or daughter to be affected by it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:31 PM
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I'll be dead
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:03 PM
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So if it's such a bad thing to do to someone, how is it acceptable when women do exactly what you describe to men? Women are open about lusting after attractive men, even when in relationships. They will follow attractive men on social media. And the message to men is just that have to suck it up and let them. How do you square that hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:42 AM
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And women don't do exactly this? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:39 AM
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If women didn't want casual sex they wouldn't do it. You can't make people do something they don't want to, and if you asked those same women whether they had ever engaged in it, they'd say yes. So they did want it. Why this view that women aren't somehow sexual? That they gave responsive desire - yeah and as soon as an attractive man turn up, you bet that "responsive" desire turn pretty fucking spontaneous
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:09 PM
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If women didn't want casual sex they wouldn't do it. They do, voraciously and enthusiastically. The idea that women have it harder to date as a result is baffling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:59 AM
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Oh no, one year, how painful, no one else could even compare. Surely the fact that one year for a woman is indescribably bad for a woman shows that women can get sex when they want far easier than men. Your horribly painful bad luck spell wouldn't even register for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:56 AM
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How can you disagree with someone and validate their idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:38 PM
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The maximum rate of messaging is below halfway on the scale and the whole curve skews to the lower end. So the majority are below average in the womens own opinion. What is the genuine reason that would happen in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:18 PM
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Oh you can improve yourself. Improve your upper body strength. Doesn't mean you'll be able to fly by waving your arms about. Those men will have improved themselves in the meantime but have the self awareness to know that it will never make a difference for women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:58 PM
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Even subjectively speaking these women were rating these men in their opinion as ugly. So what the hell would they want from messaging them? Isn't it just wasting both his and her time? And it's what you are saying is happening. That they messaged them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:56 PM
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I mentioned it because it's an example of a man just wanting validation and I don't give it where I disagree. I don't see why I would treat a woman any differently. And I'm not twisting your words, I'm illustrating their ultimate conclusion. You can't say you must always validate women and then say "oh I didn't mean that"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:54 PM
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The point is they have to be perfect, whereas attractive men can be flawed and still not being written off. Now being flawed is realistic. Perfect? Impossible. So it's an entirely rigged game where your failure is guaranteed. Whats the point of taking part in that? Also, the guys Im talking about have had the same problems in their 20s and are now in their mid 30s with no evidence of improvement. Obviously there's no improvement. You go from not being able to achieve the impossible in your 20s t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:57 PM
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It's women themselves who describe themselves as "XX year old teenage girls" as a way to absolve themselves of responsibility for their actions
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:34 PM
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They mess up those chances constantly because they aren't given the benefit of being flawed people. The women who "gave them a chance" did so in a manner that predisposes them to look for any error and to write them off. If an attractive man is a little awkward? They'll persist with the interaction. But if an ugly man is a little awkward? That's it, they've fucked up, no coming back from that. What those chances really are is just a chance for those men to metaphorically hang themselves for the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 01:23 PM
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Have you ever considered that the resolution is her feeling validated? Is that always the solution? What if validating her is actually just reinforcing her bullshit? Is that right? It's what my father wants when he describes his ideas to me. All he wants is for me to go "great plan". Sometimes his ideas are pure bollocks, and then I let him know that. Then he will get mad at me. Still, it's the right thing to do. But if its a woman, I'm supposed to deliver pure uncritical validation no matter ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:16 AM
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Because if you going to go down that route you can't just expect to be the side that's being understood. You also have to understand them as well. Women seem to come at this from a "you need to understand my feelings and issues.... fuck your feelings" standpoint. And amy self respecting man who realises this with anyone, male or female, is simply going to readjust by giving back as good as they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 08:04 AM
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They said they were ugly and then messaged them. Who in their right mind would try and connect woth someone they thought was ugly? Is there sone kind of "oh he's ugly so he has to be thankful: thing going on here? Or "he's ugly so he'll have to try super hard and be super attentive and accept crumbs from me" dynamic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:58 AM
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So women messaged men they think were ugly. What good could possibly come from that, that's just absurdly disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:49 PM
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You tell women to judge men on their past. That's fair. Why can't women be judged by men in return on exactly the same basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:39 AM
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Ooh men can certainly do a lot of wrong. And they don't get a "I was naive" cop out. Neither should women. If a woman was lying to a man, he's not responsible for her lying to him, but to can bet we are going to take the piss out of him for being dumb enough to fall for it. That's the bit he's responsible for, taking something at face value that doesn't even seem plausible. I just hold women to the same standard. Man lies to her, that his fault. She believes his lie? That's her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:06 AM
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Right, and all you worldy, wise and immensely superior and intelligent women only ever notice the inconsistencies after you've fucked him a few times. Does that not seem incredibly unbelievable? You can't be both amazing and intelligent and superior and yet be as naive as a child at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:39 AM
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Fuck it, women get to absolve themselves of all sorts of immoral and ridiculous behaviour just by saying "I'm a 35 year old teenage girl, tee hee", can't do that and claim you don't stand for bullshit cop outs
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:50 PM
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If what you say is true, then women would never have caused to complain that men they've slept with turned out to be deficient in some way, like uncaring, or selfish, or arrogant etc. I find it highly unlikely that none of these things were unknown to women when they met those men. More likely that these men showed those attributes, but given they were attractive, those women found those things to be irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:38 PM
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If the bar is lower for casual sex than a relationship, then any person you would have a relationship with must also be someone you would have casual sex with. Yet that is not the case is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:13 AM
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I don't understand your description of casual sex as something men pursue out of selfishness, to use a woman to get off. And that women choose to avoid it because of the orgasm gap. Implicitly you are arguing that women who pursue casual sex are doing so altruistically, and that it's men's selfishness turning them off. That to me is laughable, because of you are being honest, women pursue casual sex are doing so for the same reason men do. To use another person to get off. In which case it's a *…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 09:11 AM
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You said that every woman you knew is in a relationship with a man they saw casually at first. That means the attraction preceded the relationship. That must mean that if you aren't attractive enough to be desired, you can't have a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:42 AM
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Coming from a person who has had way more sex than the average person would throughout their lifetime... Casual sex is too much of a risk and liability for women. Wayyyyy too much to be worth it anyway. So it's a risk and a liability to women, specifically to you yourself. And yet women still pursue it, religiously. To do something that you see as highly risky must only happen because you value it so highly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:40 AM
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Nobody cares that you've haven't had casual sex. Literally, nobody cares. They care that you're ugly. And if a woman learns you haven't been having casual sex that's a clear sign that whatever their feelings, women don't find him attractive. That's enough for her to subconsciously revise her attraction to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:37 AM
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There's nothing different. Everyone I know who had casual sex, got into a relationship with someone they started out having casual sex with. Well then that backs up that women don't want men they won't have casual sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:26 AM
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Those emotions won't overrule a feeling that she's above him for long. And I'm not sure what you mean by binary thinking. All I'm doing is using the words and actions of people to judge their intent and what they value. The fact that an woman who finds herself valuable for being attractive and wealthy and informed means she won't find value in a man who lacks those things. I don't think that's controversial. And I don't think telling her that she's wrong about that will ever go down well. What d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 09:57 AM
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Because when you look at how women self evaluate, you realise they value sexual and romantic experience in themselves and see it as something that makes them more valuable in their own eyes. They value their own independence as that makes them more valuable in their own eyes. They value their own looks as that makes them valuable in their own eyes. All I'm doing is giving them the benefit of the doubt and thinking that at least they have the good graces to hold themselves to the same standard as…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:26 AM
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Yeah but if she wanted that, not getting it isn't a valid reason to try and trick yourself that a less rich man is actually what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:19 AM
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That's true, but women sure are more tolerant of it. Almost as if the man's attractiveness is what they value in him. That's just the rules of the game. But why should ugly men have to compensate for something they have no control over? If a man is less than 6 foot tall, should he go round going "damn I'm too short, that's a defect I need to make up for" Surely it's better that he doesn't (pointlessly) compensate for it, and women don't have to compromise over it. Everyone wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:08 AM
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Why would you want or need to sacrifice and compromise? Surely if you are having to do so for someone it's not a relationship that's good for you. And if it's not good for you as women then by the same reasoning men having to sacrifice and compromise is also bad. What's the point about kicking the men you'd never date in the first place? Just go for the attractive men you don't have to sacrifice for
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:20 PM
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Unappealing meaning won't automatically and unquestionably bend to any woman's will
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:08 PM
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And we don’t want to be your mommy servant sex dolls And who says that men that won't break their own backs to fulfill any and every woman's whim wants that either?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:04 PM
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At the basic level, a lot of men simply don’t even know about effective attraction dynamics. What's there to know? Be attractive, don't be unnatractive. But be attractive is primary to don't be unnatractive. So looks are primary and behaviour secondary. Therefore attractive behaviour is irrelevant if you aren't good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:02 PM
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Still doesn't make it equitable, that just means you want to maintain an upper hand. I don't know why you need to lie about it, seeing as you are so irresistible to men you could openly be genocidal manics and and get what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:54 PM
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That just doesn't sound close to plausible. The virginity is like a grenade and her finding out about it is like pulling the pin.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:53 PM
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Because if you step back and consider why would she would like a virgin, none of the answers are good. If he's a virgin he's chronically unsuccessful at even attracting women, let alone dating and sleeping with him. Therefore, he's not likely to have the ability to pose a threat to her comfort in the relationship, or even notice any imbalance in the relationship. Maybe it's now an option for her because it's easier for her to keep her other options and sexual exploits blind to her partner's eyes…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 11:55 AM
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Do women give a shit/not act like dicks? No? Then how is expecting men to do that in any way equitable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:16 AM
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Think about it, if people can’t tell that you’re a virgin and say, if a woman likes you THEN finds out that you’re a virgin - odds are it’s a non issue. Why though? It should be an issue. If it's not an issue she must have something causing it not to be, it all was well she could and would just drop you for something better. Her being fine with it is itself a bit of a warning sign
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 09:11 AM
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It's not wrong if your judgement of the situation is accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:40 AM
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You think a womans no, maybe, or anything short of an enthusiastic yes is infact a yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:44 AM
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Why is it wrong? Would a woman accept a man saying he's only attracted to her depending on the context?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:43 AM
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If attraction in only contextual, then it's not actually real
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 12:00 AM
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I mean, even your statement implies failure, and failure is bad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:34 PM
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Your understanding means there no meaning in any description, just and endless series of "it depends". "The skin is peeling off my arms, this seems way too hot" "It depends, are we talking space, or stars or planets, or autoclaves, or freezers, or ..."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:33 PM
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Attraction can grow and shift from a seed. But the seed has to be present. That seed of attraction is something that women will have from a number of men possibly. But they will all be attractive to begin with. If the man is unattractive there's nothing there to grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:30 PM
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They shouldn't start from a point of fantasy, I don't understand how that could possibly be helpful? I would say that none is less likely than >1. Men who are objectively and irredeemably ugly are few and far between. I hope you don't plan to imply that you are one of them. Why would none be less likely than more than 1? You can walk backwards from your results - it's more likely for men to report that women never show attraction than the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:28 PM
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It should have been irrelevant and not worth querying - that is if as you say being a virgin isn't something shameful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:14 PM
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What you've said is that there is no meaningful way to convey the difference between hot and cold and by extension attraction and non-attraction. Wgich would make context pointless as context can't add meaning to something you seem to lack meaning at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:13 PM
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If you're really objectively irredeemably ugly? Yes. So you are encouraging those men to engage in and enact actual self delusion. Wonderful. No. That'd be pretty unusual for only one woman to find a given man attractive. Odds are there would be many more than just one, unless he is actively making himself look worse. None being attracted to him is more likely than many. And many being attracted to him is more likely than just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:09 PM
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What measure would you use then?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:05 PM
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Are you going to go outside, take no notice about whether you feel cold, and report back that's it's pointless to ask because it's not possible.to ever discern if it's hot or cold? Or will you go out and say, "feels a little cold"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:32 PM
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The fact you asked about how it could possibly happen implies disdain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:27 PM
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Ah yes, so if you are ugly you have to hope unicorns exist. Do you think it's plausible that there exists a woman who finds a man attractive if no woman before has, and no woman after ever will? I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:26 PM
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You can tell if it's hot or cold enough to cause an observable change of state. Just like you can tell if a woman's attracted enough to a man - is she excited to be close to him? Its the observed status that's important.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:25 PM
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How in the holy hell is a change of state of matter not a practical distinction?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:36 PM
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Well yeah, the point is that if you are ugly, anything and everything you do is hurting your chances. Theres no winning, only not playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:28 PM
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When water boils it is because the kinetic energy of the water molecule exceeds that needed to overcome the hydrogen bonds between the molecules, breaking it and allowing it to change from the liquid state of matter to the gaseous state of matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:26 PM
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Well, wont ever know unless we try. I mean you can look in a mirror and then look at who she's comfortable with, or fawning over (online and in person). That's a pretty reliable gauge. Have to also see it from a womans perspective, they get approached A LOT. I cant stress that enough. I do, and from her perspective it would be better if she only got approached by attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:21 PM
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Yeah, but you want a sex life with people who want to be with you. You cant demand otherwise, that's rape. If they don't want to experience that with you, that's their desire and you can't change that fact. Therefore engaging in behaviour in an attempt to change the unchangeable is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:19 PM
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Changing a state or breaking an atomic bond is the definition of a practical distinction. It's even measurable. Or is the difference between ice, water and gas meaningless to you? And how is the attraction of women an unmeasurable, indistinct spectrum? Is a woman moving away from you as you sit down not a signal of how she feels?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:16 PM
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Exactly. And if you are an unattractive man, no location is appropriate, nor is any time appropriate. The interest women want is from attractive men. That means the interest of an ugly man is worthless and unwelcome
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:13 PM
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Unattractive man is what I meant. Sure romance is wanted from attractive men. If a woman gets the same thing from an ugly man thats no longer romantic, it's repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:11 PM
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Well yeah. Tact being not to bother and if there is cause to talk to her, to make sure it's as short as painless as possible. At least that way she's free for the men she actually finds attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:10 PM
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The amount of thermal energy, either to change states, emit light or break down atomic bonds. It's not some amorphous spectrum where theres no identifiable boundaries. Likewise women's attraction isn't some spectrum devoid of clear boundaries or breakpoints. That's just wishy-washy nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:09 PM
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They should be doing it in the first place. What exactly is the prize he's fighting for? A woman who doesn't desire him, will dem an him and will leave him at the drop of a hat. Why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:03 PM
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Lol, from "I don't think men get shamed for being a virgin" to "How the fuck could that happen?!" in double quick time. It's the core assumption that you display, that he must have some great defect. And if he has a defect he's worth less. And if he's worth less, he should be shunned. That's what it looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:01 PM
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I mean, it's what women ask of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:54 PM
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What is the practical distinction between hot and cold? Loud and soft? Light and dark? The amount of energy involved. You can even measure such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:51 PM
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Reactive would imply that women would change their minds on being appealed to, even if you have to debase yourself. Rather than the reality of it being pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:49 PM
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But that doesn't mean it's welcome, at all. Surely one standard we can hold ourselves to is that unless she shows even a modicum on enthusiasm about us, we should always lock away the thought about trying to attract her and burn it to ash.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:48 PM
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Men want to experience love, affection, respect, acceptance, approval etc from their partner. Which is what women also WANT to experience from men in return. Yes but the idea that she wants to experience that from an in attractive man is fucking delusional. She wants that from attractive men, and she will show it. Women are not subtle at all about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:46 PM
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It's not like you can get a tape measure out and go "see, I'm not 5ft fuck all like you said"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:28 PM
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It's not okay if a woman does it but it's sure as hell is excused. Encouraged even.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:18 PM
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Or use an unfalsifiable accusation as a retort. Like being short, or having a small dick, or saying he's diseased. Rather than simply accepting the difference in opinion and getting cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:38 PM
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Right, so women are perfect at self evaluation then? What you are observing happens both ways, it's absurd to think its just a male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:35 PM
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I have noticed that males overrate their attractiveness since I was a teenager. This is 100% true. Men set themselves up for failure by not beginning in reality. And when women do the same thing? Are they setting themselves up to failure?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:48 PM
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The delusion comes when someone else rates then below their personal judgment and they think the other person is wrong for thinking they aren't as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:44 PM
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I’m so tired of men not realising the benefits that come with you feeling good about yourself. You will be more confident, carry yourself well, and be more authoritative. Based on what exactly? Do women genuinely go round thinking they're the dogs bollocks for no fucking reason at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:31 PM
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All of those are men women don't want to bother with. Why is them therfore not interacting with woman a bad thing from a woman's viewpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:27 PM
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So why not drive for men not talking to women then? Allowing only women to talk to men will ensure only the attractive men will get the reinforcement that they are wanted and the rest of us men will get the reinforcement that we are too ugly for women. That will allow for women to only gave to interact with men theh want to sleep with and the rest of the men will be able to focus on excising themselves from women. Women win, they only get to see and interact with hot men. Their world gets better…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:26 PM
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they complain that women are not attracted to them and don't treat them like Chad. That being that a woman who claims she's attracted to him acts like she likes him? How unreasonable!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:19 AM
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Connection can only happen when both parties desire to make one. How can a woman connect with a man she doesn't find attractive? It's not like it's something you can convince her to do, attraction doesn't work like that. And from the mans point of view, how can you connect with a woman when you know she's only there because a man who she wanted more isn't there anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 10:10 PM
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Cool, cool, reluctant enjoyment it is then. Tell me why that's a good thing for either party? The woman doesn't get to have the men when actually wants, and has to constantly put in effort to overcome that fact, and the man has to live with the fact that not only is the woman he's with only there because she couldn't get the men she wanted, but that he's also the piece of shit that agreed to be her consolation prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:12 PM
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So we’re surprised when men turn down the very thing they obsess over Sounds like women despise men as a matter of course. Why should men make an effort to change their opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:59 PM
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But it’s not because they know who I am. Otherwise I would have problems making male friends or friends in general - so I know my personality is not the problem. You know that's an irrelevant measure for how attractive your personality is for a relationship. It means nothing, good or bad. They got to see you from a non-friend point of view, and apparently didn't like it. Women say they do this all the time, and so I find it baffling and a woman would claim to be unaware it happens to them as wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:30 AM
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Look, people are responsible for what they choose to do, and so while you are entirely correct that: That there are abusive people who pretend to be normal and healthy, which is not a woman's fault. And that as the abuser chooses to commit abuse, they are responsible for it. However, at the same time, as the victim is not at fault for the abuse, they are choosing to stay, and therefore they are responsible for staying. They have the choice to leave, they aren't being held under duress and they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:24 AM
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So you get rejected once they know who you are as opposed to being rejected out of hand. How is a person taking who you are into consideration worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 08:12 AM
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Because hes so valuable even scraps are worth it. Whereas the second man is worth less to her so she won't accept a hookup. He's only valuable if he offers everything. The men she accept hookups from are clearly worth more to her than the man she wouldn't consider unless he offers to date her with all the material benefits she can gain from it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:38 AM
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Sugar is attractiveness, nutritional value is personality. You have cake because you want to and you enjoy it, whereas you have broccoli because you are forced to to remain healthy. Gee whiz, I wonder why people prefer being the one that's chosen because they are enjoyed, rather than the one chosen because they have to out of necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:33 AM
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It does mean "most important" though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:30 AM
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Would you instinctively agree with this: And I don’t doubt lack of sex and relationships suck. Contrary to popular belief here, there are men who are sexless and turned down by women. Even if they’re fat, old, disabled or disfigured - they still exist. And I feel empathy for that level of emotional and touch starvation. What I can’t do is feel empathy for those who think saying men are all manipulators, can’t love women, use women, settle for their wives, whatever - choose your red pill narrativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 09:51 AM
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You in your response - so your own words by your own hand - wrote that you have empathy when women are alone. And in the next paragraph wrote when you lack empathy, and wrote that it's when it's happened to a man. Basically it shows that for you, unconsciously, if it's female, it's to be empathised with, and if it's male, it's to be reviled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 09:03 PM
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And of those relationships, I'd bet most involve the woman having to come to terms that the man she's with is a downgrade from what she wanted and experienced, and the man coming to terms that he is always on the verge of her displeasure, that he is on a never ending treadmill of placating her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 11:19 PM
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Assortative mating is not what women desire, and I don't think it's a reality women welcome. It's more like a defeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:45 PM
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Even the most floridly promiscuous woman wouldn't find half the men in her age range attractive. Not even close to that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:44 PM
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The point is that only women think their achievements allow them to deserve by right things. As an example, you've written a defense of women thinking this. And not addressed whether men should also do so. I would presume you haven't done so because the notion that men could deserve such things is inherently absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 09:25 PM
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The whole, "I'm mature now, I've good a career and hobbies etc etc. I deserve a man with good prospects that has things going for him". Since when does a man with a career and hobbies deserve anything? They would be deserving of precisely fuck all, and the women themselves will say so, but suddenly when the "deserving" statement is about a woman, it's all so different
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:42 PM
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Baseline attractive. Looks ok attractive. That’s good enough to start. Which is what, 1 in 10, 1 in 20 men women see or come across in their day to day lives? That's roughly the proportion of men women will say they think are attractive at first glance (so baseline/looks ok)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:38 PM
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Most women are trying to build a relationship with men they can connect with. To connect with someone first you need to want to form that connection, otherwise no matter what the other person does it won't happen. Who do women want to connect with? Men they actually desire, not necessarily one they may get along with. So by definition, implicit in your statement there is the truth of that women would only build relationships with attractive men, not that building a relationship makes a man attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:57 AM
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Obviously it's not for men, that's just called being an adult. It's women who use "earn a living, payy bills"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:48 AM
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And I feel empathy for that level of emotional and touch starvation. I can offer empathy all day long. This is what he's on about. Because it's women being talked about you able to feel empathy. You don't catastrophies or add malign intent to their issues. And when it's men? Can't happen
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 06:45 AM
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Isn't putting your shoes on the first step? You may have great endurance and cardio etc etc. but if you are not able to get to the start line you capabilities are irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:30 AM
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This sub is hyperfocused on the first date, not the work needed for a lifelong partnership How does the partnership start without a first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:38 AM
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He wants public praise for paying his bills and refraining from crime. Why the fuck do women see this as some great personal achievement and evidence of great value as a woman then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:15 AM
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They don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:08 AM
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You need to talk so that she can get attracted to you (that's why dating exists, nobody is pre attracted to someone unless they are very hot) Again, would you ever tell a woman: "You need to talk so that he can get attracted to you" Of course not, no woman's supposed to do anything to get a man's attraction. His attraction must be present from the get go. Her having to work for it is always an unacceptable and oppressive burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:07 AM
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There is a baseline level where a woman says “Yeah, he looks all right.” Again, tell me where women are told a man going up to her and saying "you look all right" means she now should go on a date with him? They aren't, because to do so would be demeaning them, they are told "you deserve a man that treats you like a goddess" and barely clearly his indifference isn't that. So why are men having to accept something women wouldn't ever consider acceptable? Now his idiosyncrasies start looking reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:05 AM
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it makes sense to accept it and adapt She's suggests that men do this, yes. Women? Women apparently shouldn't have to accept or adapt for anything
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 06:59 AM
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Your freinds and your family are all real people for whom you would think you have love for. But that is not the type of love you have for your partner. Surely you can see this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:54 PM
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How? Like a friend? A brother? A child? They are all love, but that's not what is needed in a relationship. And women know this. Would you want your husband/partner to turn to you and say "I love you, like a friend"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:59 PM
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She is saying a woman can care about you That's true of family, and friends. It's a necessary but insufficient condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:57 PM
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Why would you advise talking to her when she's not attracted to you though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:03 PM
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Why even talk to her? What's the point of fighting like mad for an impossible prize?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:58 PM
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Women do just that tho. I know plenty of women who live alone with no husband and have been for years, and no sex either That's not what I mean. What I mean is the women who do partner up with the men she's had to settle for and expect to be treated with the utmost regard, like she's the best thing that's ever happened to him when she in no way expect to have to reciprocate that. If women are recommended that the men that get settled for should accept that the women won't ever be attracted to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:54 PM
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You aren't suggesting that men and women should compromise. You only suggest men should.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:47 PM
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That's being a friend to someone. Which people need. But accepting being in a relationship with them is accepting having responsibilities towards them. For what? Nothing. I don't see why that should be a thing to compromise about. You would never suggest women should consider accepting being a dutiful mother and maid to a man who won't touch her. Why suggest men should?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:46 PM
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But what use is convincing yourself of the lie that she's attracted to you when she isn't? At that point you may as well settle for a facsimile of a human being, if you are knowingly accepting a facsimile of human attraction. And we all know how pathetic and limited it is to emotionally tether yourself to an AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:37 PM
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Shouldn't women be left in their entirety to those few men then. It seems they'd want it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:27 PM
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That's a textbook definition of how women think most men are ugly. And that the few men they do experience visceral attraction for are the only men that for whom women being attracted to them is a reality. For the rest of us, as women should only be with men they are attracted to, we shouldn't talk to women at all or accept the second rate thing they call attraction or love.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 08:26 PM
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She'll actually be enthusiastic about spending time with you. Not just happy, enthusiastic
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 09:25 PM
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The point is that if at any point during the process you realise she's not enthusiastic about it? Leave. Because if she liked you she would be. If she was talking about spending time with a man she liked, she'd be enthusiastic about it, so let her go and be with that man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:10 PM
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They advise styling your hair and being fit and smiling and having good posture and wearing clothes that compliment you. That's just looking neat though. Neat and attractive are not the same thing. A neat good looking man is attractive. A neat ugly man is still ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:53 AM
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is that it is natural selection when undesired and undesirable men end up not reproducing. If she wasn't so full of shit and fully into the paradigm of "women are wonderful, men are horrible" she would make that statement about people, but no, just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 06:15 AM
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Nice way to say you don't think women are at fault when putting themselves in a position that were a man put himself into, he would be at fault for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 05:58 PM
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And regarding women in the fuck zone or situationships? Is she exclusively at fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:48 AM
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And the general theme seems to be that women are having sex outside of marriage, but not with you, and hence they should be punished until they either stop the first or start the second. (Why aren't y'all more aiming at punishing the men?) Because when 20 year old women are knowingly sleeping with and dating married men, criticism of the man is valid. Woe betide anyone who criticises and negatively judges the woman. So in the spirit of equality, why would you punish the man sleeping with a marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:27 AM
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Women actively engaging in hookups knowing all they want is sexual gratification from the man proves that wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:37 PM
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If all she says about him was bad things, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 12:43 PM
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I 100% agree. But as an adult, don't palm off the responsibility for the fallout if it goes pear shape onto the rest of us. That's what you leave out. That despite saying rightly that women choose men based on attraction, that women will also blame their party men for her choices and his actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 11:10 AM
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It's actually so weird that you think there's a need to make things "fair" regarding asymmetric harm in domestic violence. He wasn't but you immediately jumped to attacking the idea that men suffer from domestic violence. Hence my stating that this was an exhibit of "it doesn't count if it happens to a man"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:35 AM
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If a woman dates a regular guy, and it's going well, and then over time has to break up with him because the relationship isn't working out, what is she going to say to others post-breakup? "He was so nice, I loved him"? No, she's going to say all the bad things about him. But if she was with him that long wouldn't it be the truth that: I loved him" So why lie? Is it because saying: all the bad things about him. Implies that he only was bad to her? Which makes her look like a morally unblemished…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:27 AM
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That you are perfectly happy to declare that domestic violence is worse for women because of asymmetric harm - that you think women are harmed more than men are - and therefore you should only be concerned about the more harmed party. But if the more harmed party were to be men, that principle is nowhere to be seen. Because the actual principle you adhere to is that it doesn't matter if it happens to men, only if it happens to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:03 AM
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Exhibit A in "it doesn't matter if it happened to a man"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:52 AM
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Oh because women only have sex to lock men into an implied relationship. Sounds like they're all being pretty shitty if that's what they've been doing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:36 AM
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Good is a primary trait The point is thats not the case, at best it's secondary. If it were a primary trait, no women would ever get together with a man and then find out he's bad. If it were a primary trait, it would be a key characteristic driving attraction: not only would every man she's been with share that trait, but every man she's hooked up with, been on a date with, or even been attracted to. Is that the case? Women don't report that, themselves. It's "he was abusive, he was unkind etc …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 08:33 AM
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Do you find what you are describing to be wrong and unconscionable? Yes? So then don't do it to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:17 PM
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I don't think that's a controversial opinion at all actually. On an individual basis, I'd be surprised if any individual woman found as much as 5% of the men she sees attractive. Certainly when you parse what each individual woman says she wants in a man in the aggregate (tall, attractive, wealthy etc) into a proportion of the male population you will come up with a value of less than 1%. I think women have a problem with the idea that as a collective they are only attracted to a minority of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:22 PM
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Remind then that being ugly means that the women aren't going to bother with them. It'd s fact of life, you can't change. Nor should you. Don't negotiate attraction, thinking you can is a trap, youll start on a never ending task that you can't succeed at. And that's a shot positio yo be in. It's not fine. It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be shit. They aren’t women who can just go out to find sexual satisfaction to make them feel better. If you have to tell unattractive men something, at…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:46 PM
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Soooooo again what do you tell people like you? Apparently nothing. Lmao Exactly. If we're here to watch football stick to that. If were heare to do somethinglets do that. If we're here to celebrate something or someone let's do that. What I don't want to hear is "there's this woman I know who's got sick and tired of men using her/she's matured and wants something serious/why don't you go on a few dates? Etc etc". Christ, I've been to weddings where for some reason this topic of conversation com…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:32 PM
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The advice is to learn to be happy. What else should these men be told? Lies? God forbid they’re told the reasons they’re apparently repugnant because lord knows they’ll rage against being expected to “kill” their personalities if life isn’t working out for them. Ironically lies are exactly what they are being told. I can tell you I was told by my friends that if I got an account on the apps Id have women interested in me. I told them that I wouldn't, as although I have no problem talking to peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:54 PM
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That women can't ever understand what the lack of intimate contact does to you when their idea of what that is is beyond the wildest dreams of most men. Do you know how many men can have a date a week with a woman that's actually enthusiastic about him? Women moan about situationships, but that's not something men will get to experience. I can appreciate it's not the ideal, but if you are sleeping with a man wanting more, and then that week going on a couple of dates and having casual sex with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:32 PM
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If a man who constantly fucks enthusiastic women and who's idea of a dry spell is a woman not being into him for a week says it's fine, yeah I'd feel able to tell him he doesn't know what he's on about. Men are used to being called out for not being able to understand the experience of certain groups of people. Men can't talk about the things women experience, fair enough. I dont talk about the issues behind pregnancy or menstruation for example because I know any opinion I have is invalid. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:23 PM
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I agree that the older women get a lot more attention than the 30+ year old male virgin. That's the point. The complaints will be taken more seriously and older men who don't want to provide the attention shamed more despite the fact that the women in question are still in an objectively better position. But that would mean their complaints should be dismissed. Are they? No. They're seen as being more unfairly dismissed than the virgin men. If anything they're the ones who should have their comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:15 PM
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Further. I don’t think it’s BAD advice to tell those folks to learn to be happy single. I also do not think it’s wrong to say if you’ve had zero intimacy for multiple decades of life it is a YOU issue. You say that but when older women enter the zone of irrelevance, where they aren't being asked on dates or having dates or experiencing male desire, they go through a period of self image and self confidence crisis. And telling them that's a them issue and they should get over it does not go down …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:30 AM
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The point is those periods of time that women have been single, they've been: a period of months, not a decade still been going on multiple, frequent dates still been frequently sexually active Of course prolonged single men who are inexperienced/virgins would find their singleness not so bad if that was their experience of it, but they aren't women. But they're not, they're talking about being single for years, with no prospect of a date, and not even a prospect of a hookup to tide them over. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:24 AM
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Having spent four years in a frat, I can say that alcohol was absolutely the primary factor in the vast majority of hookups, not the guy’s appearance. There were guys in my frat who managed to hook up with a drunk girl or two who were hotter than any girl they ever dated. A drunken hookup is pretty much the only scenario where that happens. Alcohol enables bad decisions for both genders. Alcohol doesn't just happen to people. Those women getting drunk at that location is a choice they are making…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:23 PM
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It's not my problem because I didn't choose to do it to her. If you reverse the genders, you know you'd have no problem articulating that as I chose to take the risk against my better judgement, I bear responsibility for the results. And you'd also no doubt say that the idea that you, as a third party shouldn't bear any responsibility for it or have to change your behaviour or choices because of something you had no influence over. And I would agree. You would never sympathise with a man. Fair e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:28 PM
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He's not the one breaking her boundaries though, she is. Of course hooking up with a man you met 5 minutes ago and going to his house or anywhere else of his choosing with nobody knowing so he can fuck you is risky, that's why women would never do it. But then some attractive man comes along, and that same woman whos oh so concerned about her personal safety and wary of the risks and STDs etc etc just goes and does it anyway. She makes that decision, not him. So yeah why would any man care? That…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:43 PM
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No one wants to be with someone who doesn’t find them attractive. No one wants to be settled for. Why do people describe it as a good thing if women do it though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:34 PM
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I don't see how it can be negative if it's true. And I don't see how it benefits women either. Men realising that if they talk to a woman the best that can happen if being a placeholder for her that funds her for a few months while she tries to fuck the actually attractive men liberates him from having to deal with it, and women only have to interact with attractive men. They'd be in a sea of constant desired male attention without the horrible experience of ugly men thinking they want to spend …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:47 AM
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That's reliant on the man mis judging reluctant and intermittent attention as genuine instant and intense attraction. It requires the man to not know any better. Sure it's an imagination issue but it's having to imagine it's better than the reality of the situation. The truth is that no man will be in a good relationship if he's not attractive to the women, he's always on the verge of being thrown away by her as soon as a man she actually desires comes along. Women define a good relationship lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:39 AM
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You said it like "if I'm not a chad she's settling" when it's actually "if she doesn't treat me like a chad, she's settling" Which she won't be. Sure she'll insist that she is, but that's never going to be the truth of it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:27 PM
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Being less horny for Bob the socially awkward guy from Accounting than we are for that hot Running Back that we met on the beach that time If that's the case, what's wrong with Bob knowing this and acting accordingly? You have had that instant lust for a more attractive man and acted on it, he can't control that or expect you not to in the future. So it's prudent of him to hold back. Women if they know about a man's past are always going to remember it and use it to decide how to act. There will…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 10:25 PM
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The dry spell in question being what, 2 - 3 months max? Any man with a sexual encounter once every 3 months would count as being wildly sucessful
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 01:21 AM
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Nah, women don't give a shit and they never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:09 AM
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It certainly implies less enthusiasm, excitement and desire, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 01:07 AM
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I mean, I reckon women would have a lot more enthusiasm for an attractive man to have sex with than a man who's normal. And well, if that's the case, why would would want to be the man she's not enthusiastic about?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 10:05 AM
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women are sexual only with highly attractive men, I don't see what's wrong with this assumption, you'd hardly expect woman to be sexual with men they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:52 AM
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I mean, the ones that are Nazis, yeah. The women who shacked up with the Wehrmacht soldiers in occupied Europe weren't given a pass, and rightly so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:51 PM
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She didn’t know he was a Nazi supporter until after she fucked him Yeah, that's fair enough, I assume you'd, you know, not fuck him after you find out because of your principles right? Sleeping with him again was not a choice I would have made Lmao, then she's as big of a piece of shit as she criticises him for being then. but I could see her logic being she already did it once - why not do it again? And therefore so are you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:49 PM
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Its not a good thing for society. Since when has that been something women find important enough to base personal decisions on? Make that argument to a woman and, completely fairly, they say that's not an expectation they should fulfill. And so if they shouldn't, men shouldn't. Society requires people to partner up. You can say its "bad", but its a necessary evil. Why should that be a concern that men consider when women don't? All that women when they are young and in the prime of life consider…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:17 PM
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I dont have to advise women, they already do it. Which is wrong. They shouldn't. What's wrong in stating that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:43 PM
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"I guess his principles didn't stand up against a nice set of tits" Pot? Kettle? No? It's telling she says that and doesn't question how this shows her principles are as robust as a Cybertrucks window, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:42 PM
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. If you can't find someone you desire, marry a friend. And you would advise a woman to do this? I doubt it. Thats all what betabuxing is. A good friend that you have shared values with and can raise children with. Look, if I were to say to a woman that "I can't really get who I want and you will do. Oh and just to be clear, this is strictly business, I'm here because you aren't repulsive to me, and Thai is a useful if impersonal arrangement but don't ever think I'll actually desire or care for …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:35 PM
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This is the "giving men a chance" that so many men ask for. Which I dont think is right. Being the one she inherently looks forward to spending time with is honest, and right. Being the one she has to reluctantly psych herself up for isn't. I honestly don't understand the psychology of men who want to have dates and relationships with women who aren't attracted to them. Any inkling she's there on a date with you because her actual desired man isn't? End it. Using you as leverage to make him jeal…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:50 PM
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It's not about resources. It's the idea that you should accept that whereas that woman would have willingly been with one or many other men because she was genuinely attracted to them, she's only with you because she's motivated to do so by her failing to make it work with those men. And even then, where she knew she was attracted to those men when she met them, with you it took "her learning about you", which is nothing more than you doing enough to overcome her lack of attraction to you. Noone…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:05 PM
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that still got better than him So she should be with that man then. with a guy who already pulled more than his share, living a better life than the loser Yes, it really sounds like the man she's settled down with is one she desires. Oh how I dream of being with a woman who speaks about me in such effervescent terms. Are you really arguing for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:42 PM
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And so, they should let women use them and encourage it? What kind of fucked up desire is that? No, just as it's right that women should be aware of the sorts of interactions and situations they should avoid, so it's right for men. Women getting to the point where, contrary to their past, they decide to get together with a man they didn't find physically attractive should be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:29 PM
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So how is your attraction to him sincere if it took you warming up to him, where there will have been men that didn't require that for you to like them? It's at best a lesser quality of attraction, and at worst an attraction driven by perverse incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:12 PM
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So she made a friend, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:10 PM
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Nah, what it is is the woman deciding to couple up with a man because of his usefulness, but as she's not attracted to him not being able to desire, enjoy or enthusiastically initial sex with him. It's her putting him in a male version of the Madonna position that if he were to do to her, shed consider perverse and misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:09 PM
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I mean it's the same as the Madonna/Whore complex women consider derogatory. So why is it fine for women to subject men to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:06 PM
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That makes both sense. Why would you ever want to meet them again if you had no attraction? That sounds terrifying from the man's pov
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:06 AM
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That's not exactly great is it. How about don't do that, just try and get with the fre men you do find sexually attractive. At least that's honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:04 AM
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You as a woman, no doubt consider any man who doesn't speak out against any of his friends doing anything dodgy as him tacitly approving of what his friend is doing, right? Especially if what his friend is doing harms women. So I'm just saying that should be a universal concept then, and women who don't speak out against their friends should also be considered as tacitly approving what their friends are doing. Why is that beyond the pale? So when you say: Should we bring back public floggings th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:38 PM
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However you can’t claim that this means that women don’t hold each other accountable. I can and do claim that if women deem men who follow this method you describe as acceptable for women, (not publicly challenging people) as being complicit in the actions of men they don't challenge
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:23 AM
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You mention women getting paid less than men in the first place, how is that relevant to this discussion? It's not even legal. There is no connection. I was just stating why it's not even a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:29 AM
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Because they aren't paid less? Maybe they earn less due to doing less hours, but that's not discrimination. If they did get paid less and it was legal, why would anyone employ the more expensive man over the cheaper woman for the same productive output?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:24 AM
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Like I said, you can leave the nitty gritty until later, more privately if you prefer. But at least say you disagree or that it's wrong there and then. That's all that's really necessary. Hell I've even told someone who I met not an hour earlier who was going on about his women problems that "I'd actually respect you more if you were just fully being a cunt and just straight up pumping and dumping them because at least then it'd be honest, and they'd get over it". That's not me trying to solve t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 09:20 AM
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Again I've said this a couple of times to other responders. All you are doing by that is first backing up her choices. You wait for a one on one discussion, that's what, weeks or months later? In the meantime publicly you back her up. How's that her being held accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:25 AM
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What you are describing is public backing up of her actions, before what you described as accountability happens in private, weeks, maybe months later? It's not about dressing her down in public. It's her saying a shitty thing she's done and you publicly stating "yeah, she's right to do it". That is enabling her shit. Why not an immediate reaction of "that's bollocks mate", or "that's fucked up mate"? It leaves it clear that we don't think what they are doing is right the moment we find out abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:23 AM
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The thing with that is you don't find out about what they are doing one on one do you? There's going to be a delay in time which means until that private discussion you are not holding them accountable at all, you are giving them your tacit approval. Especially if you go the other way and initially defend her actions publicly. Maybe you don't think a quick but immediate reaction of "that's bollocks mate", or "that's fucked up mate" is appropriate, but it leaves it clear that we don't think what …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:19 AM
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Nah, they know perfectly well what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:50 PM
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You are talking as if its not entirely by design
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:49 PM
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Exhibit ZZ in women justifying actions they crucify men for. I've been told off for telling women I'm an unemployed alcoholic 50 year old man for "making her feel bad when she's trying to talk to you", and I can't for the life of me figure out why
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:48 PM
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Women think of attractiveness as options. So if a guy sees 40-50 women he is attracted to every day that means he sees 40-50 possibilities/options every day all he needs is for some of them to be attracted to him back(+effort) and BAM she's replaced . So if they aren't attracted to him they aren't options are they? And she's going to have more men attracted to her than women attracted to him. She has more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:43 PM
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Women do hold each other accountable, just not always publicly or in ways men notice. Some of you act like if it’s not a public spectacle, it doesn’t count. Accountability isn’t always loud or performative. It still happens. Examples then. What form does this apparant accountability take?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:31 PM
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Fair claim if people walked round calling themselves expert paedo detectors. But they don't. Women vis a vis "abusive men" however...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:27 PM
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He picked up his phone from the car he was in to ring his girlfriend, who was also sat in said car? Yeah, you are right, that doesn't make sense at all, but go on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 02:24 PM
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That's cool and all, but you need to tell women to stop conflating their sexual and romantic preferences with moral superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:37 PM
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Do you not understand the meaning of the word "also"?!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:49 PM
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So what's the problem then? We are moving towards the knowledge that only a few men can be desired for casual sex and the rest shouldn't bother talking to women. Women win, only attractive men will interact with them, and the majority of men don't have to live under the delusion that women want anything to do with them
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:32 AM
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Yes, but you speak as if women don't also hit on men with base intentions as much as men do. The difference is most men are on the recieving end of those attempts, there's a stark difference in the experience of an attractive man vs an average man in this regard. I mean it's not like the whole sneaky link, casual sex thing is coming out of thin air, and you aren't saying women are morally deficient or should be ashamed of it, you would say they are sexual beings. Well good, don't lie and pretend…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:20 AM
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You're neglecting the challenge of finding the haystack in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:14 AM
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Then they should suck it up and deal with it like women expect men to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:11 AM
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Ah yes, all male attention is in bad faith and all female attention is morally upright and superior
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:09 AM
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That's what they say. But the likelihood is that they're not looking for anything serious and keeping their hookups discreet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:53 PM
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Really? And how exactly are women punished for not having their shit together? What part of life are they excluded from?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:51 PM
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And since you/we would probably have much less problem doing that with a conventionally attractive woman, we're in no position to judge other's preferences or halo bias. That's fine but that standard should be held both ways right? So women would rather have an attractive man, so they can't be in a position to judge our preferences or halo bias. Does that happen? No. So, it's open season on marking judgements as far as I'm concerned
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 04:51 PM
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I don't see how questioning what she's saying is spiteful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:50 PM
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Do you or do you not think men have to prove themselves to women. It's a simple question, don't hide behind some prose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:16 PM
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So a woman will have to prove me wrong. Apparently that's unreasonable. But you will talk about men having to prove themselves to women so I don't see what's the big problem about asking women to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:11 PM
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Women do say they are perfect. Women speak about themselves as if they are perfect. Even you post describing women as wanting to wait at the finish line because they've always been responsible in their desires implicitly assumes women are perfect and infallible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:10 PM
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If women are choosing to do things, then yes, they are also accountable for the result of those things. They don't get to be absolved of responsibility wjust because they are women. Children are absolved of responsibility, because it's recognised they aren't able to understand the consequences of their decisions. Are you saying women should be treated like children?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:08 PM
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So I should try and attract women knowing they'll take advantage of me, never actually be attracted to me and demand as much as they want from me, and I should just do that willingly? Like the price of her interest is a fucking holiday, and I just do it? What world do you live in? Would you advise women to do this? No? Then why do you advise men to do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:06 PM
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I hold him in equally high regard. You joke with your friends about having to train him up. How's that holding him in high regard. Would you accept him dismissing you in the same way to his friends? Obviously not. Why do women always think it's fine for them to be shitty, when they know they'd never accept being treated like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:38 AM
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It's about the dichotomy of woman saying it took their immaturity and mistakes to learn and grow, but woe betide any man does that, they should know everything about how to serve women immediately. How do women give themselves the grace to be flawed, deny men that grace and say with a straight face "men are immature unlike us, we were looking for serious relationship from the start" when they patiently know that's not true, because they themselves were a young woman who didn't do that either!!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:36 AM
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That what women chase, that's what woman end up doing (they all have that story), that can only happen if it's what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:33 AM
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Women arent passive actors in that. They enjoy being taken out on minimum a few dates per week at no cost to herself. They enjoy casual sex and the validation they get, otherwise why would going a few weeks without it make them so mad? You tell a woman you don't have women interested in you, she thinks you're subhuman, it's not an experience that frankly makes sense in her head, it's so alien
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:32 AM
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Oh come on, you talk about him like he's a pet dog. What if he talked about you the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:07 AM
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The differences is women are not punished for their errors, and men are. So women think they are the ones sinned against, rather than sinners just the same as the men. Women are in a relative constant bender when it comes to "the good times". How long is a woman's sexual dry spell? Weeks. Not years, weeks. How long between dates or interest or just going and getting physical needs met? Women in their 40s or 50s probably do see a marked decrease in their ability to get satisfaction and connection…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:06 AM
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And makes women instantly perfect and infallible?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:02 AM
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They’re more likely to actually want commitment. I think you guys are ignoring that part on purpose. Lmao, yeah, that 20 something is wanting commitment with the 40 something bloke at her office that's able to quietly squirrel her away to paid luxury weekends away at some luxury hotel room, but not with her literal peer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:00 AM
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And women never have to get their shit together. And they aren't expected to use it for someone else's benefit when they do. And they are allowed to have the freedom to explore and make mistakes whilst dating, which men are not - otherwise asking women to wait until their 35 or 49 before even thinking about dating or hooking up would be a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:54 AM
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And yet shell described the mistakes she makes as forgivable because "she was only a 20 something teenage girl". So what is it? Are you fully mature or leaning via making mistakes? And why do you give yourself leeway and not men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:51 AM
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That sounds more like “of if I don’t take any chances I’ll never fail” That's bollocks. What I'm describing is literally how to engage in a contest the a larger opponent who has the power to run through you but you go in the contest anyway to win the ball. You just don't do it without bracing for the inevitable impact. You're trying to win the ball before he gets there. It's literally taking a chance. You are speaking like the other person in the scenario, the bigger taller guy who expects the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:54 AM
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Where am I saying this exactly? Quote please. "A self-defeating excuse. If you wouldn’t love a woman if she were obese and covered in acne, then that means you could never ever love her…" Right there. Answer this question: What do the women you actually want to have fuck you look like? Are they as ugly and horrible as what you insist they need to be attracted to to deserve your acceptance? The point of the is/is not test is to assess whether they themselves fit the criteria that they demand you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:58 AM
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I don't hate myself. I refuse to be taken for a fool and I know that the key to not getting injured in any 50 50 challenge is not to shy away from getting bodied, it's to accept the other guy will run through you and learn how to get hit. The same way it's pointless and more damaging to think people will see you in a more forgiving light than they actually will. You must accept that will not give you any benefit of the doubt and act accordingly. And to do that you must be as hard back. The same …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:06 AM
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Bruh, women aren’t doing that. Most people don’t do it. And I want you to think about what you just said. Why do you think people keep telling you that? That it's not something people need to do. But everyone does it to me. Therefore in people's eyes, I'm less than them, not worth the human respect but beneath them. Why am I expected to celebrate this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 12:49 AM
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Im saying women do it, right? That old lady shopkeeper will go on about how handsome some boy is and being nice to him because of it. That's an example of her treating him differently based on looks. And there so obvious and honest and unashamed of it. Do you want to know how often I get told some variation of "your nicer than I assumed". Constantly. And it sounds like a compliment but in reality it's a poorly veiled insult. It's not a stretch to realise thats how they see men, when the men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:08 PM
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But, to suggest there’s not already an inherent inequity identified between the risks a woman takes on to get to know you in dating vs what you’d risk in the process, and to demand of her to treat you as if you are no more capable of harm to her than she is to you, is where you’re losing the plot. If women feel that they are taking on a level of risk when dating a man that the man doesn't take on themselves, that's one thing. What happens though is that they characterise different men as being m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:02 PM
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I'm not saying they should, but they seem to expect unattractive men to deal with it. If a woman says I have to earn her trust, respect her autonomy, understand her preferences that's perfectly fine but I know for damn sure she's not going to do that for me. So it's not the expectation that makes me feel slighted, it's the knowledge that the expectation will only ever be one sided. For example, it's a given I've got to earn her trust, but if I were to.ask.the same in return? Unreasonable. I've g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:38 PM
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Women are allowed to develop trusting relationships with people who earn their trust. And that's the crux of the matter. Who has to earn you trust Vs who you give it freely to. And whos trust you are willing to earn. I've never heard a woman accepting they need to put the work in to earn the trust of a man they think hadls to earn theirs in turn. Only to the men they freely trust with no proof, no rationale, only attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:02 PM
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Not unless you are forced into thinking about it, no. But thats what you are doing when you are talking to them. Women can hardly be all "out of sight, out of mind" if you are talking to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 09:59 PM
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Have you spoken to women? There's always going to be an underlying concern and wariness about the character of men when they are unattractive that women dont feel if the man in question is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:08 PM
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If women are so worried about men that they need to adapt to survive them, why do women lose their inhibitions and fear to be with those men that inspire it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:06 PM
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You asked how are women supposed to know if it's involuntary or not if he never tells her. It's an irrelevant question because the truth, yes or no, will be taken well or poorly depending on whether she's attracted to him or not. The answer itself is therefore irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:39 PM
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Plenty of men good enough for you to mess around and try with right? You aren't in a position where you know no matter what you do the idea of you wanting love, connection and sex is repulsive. So repulsive even talking about it is never to be done. Maybe you cant be an international player, but people are happy with you in their team. It's not like you've been told noone in the world would ever want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:38 PM
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It's the reverse of the halo effect in action. It's not some extraordinary and obscure phenomenon. Have you listened to the difference in how women talk about attractive vs unattractive men? There's no dividing line on attraction vs revulsion for women when it comes to whether he's taken or not, only if he's attractive or not. That's not insecurity, that's real life experience used to filter how the wider population will treat you going forwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:34 PM
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And your experience with this dilemma is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:27 PM
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How are women supposed to know it’s voluntary or not unless dudes telling them? By the women assuming they are morally deficient people because they're ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:24 PM
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The aspiration to get as many women as the predators do. If getting with a load of people is a defining characteristic of a predator, and women across the board will hook up with an sleep with as many men men as these predators sleep with women, does that make women as bad as those predators? No? Then what the fuck is this arse backwards justification then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 04:22 PM
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It's not a guarantee we want, it's an actual equal opportunity on a level fucking playing field. You gave that rich man a chance because he was funny? Why do I have to give her a non refundable down payment just for her to consider the outside possibility of maybe perhaps at some indeterminate point in a possible or not possible future to perhaps maybe give me a 5 second look? And then when a woman gives what appears to be that same chance as the others? Oh, she's here because her boyfreind spli…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:13 PM
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A self-defeating excuse. If you wouldn’t love a woman if she were obese and covered in acne, then that means you could never ever love her… I mean, this is what you are saying about men, so I don't see where the disagreement is. Why do you argue that someone likes the improved you means they don’t like you? It's an is/is not test. Does this magnet stick to the material? Yes - it's magnetic, no - it isn't. In the same way, would she like the before version of you, with less material possessions, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 04:30 PM
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Improve their presentation? The point is it's an is/is not test. Sure, you can improve presentation, but that's a superficial change. If before women weren't attracted to you, and after some were, the is/is not comparison means that the women that were attracted after the change must therefore be superficial. Women don't want superficial men, why would men want superficial women? Learn to talk to people? I mean women just assume you are a deaf/mute monstrosity if you are unnatractive, people tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:39 AM
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By knowing and anticipating that and not bothering with her in the first place. It's not hard. "She's attractive but would she talk to me? No. Then don't bother." It's solid reasoning online or in real life. And it's what women want, so its a win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 09:34 AM
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when it comes to the way genders interact with one another in real life, Is say using a complete lack of interaction on the part of a woman is a pretty damn solid reason to reject her. Sure that can happen because shes talking to someone else. Why's that? She likes him more to open his message and not yours, which is perfectly fair. It's also perfectly fair to then cancel the match. That's not ghosting, fucking hell. What's the deal women have with moaning about their dating success, as if it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 07:04 AM
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if a person can aim higher they should Lmao, but only if they are women amirite? Your entire argument is that as men are doing this, is causing women issues in dating and that they should stop. I would say any argument that relies on one gender being forbidden to act in a way to allow the other to do precisely that thing is not one to be respected or taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 06:58 AM
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who keeps a list of the people he's slept with, their social media, their ratings, But women do this and it's fine?!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:54 AM
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That's literally just women giving into sexual power dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:26 AM
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I would also point out that the common advice to placeholder girlfriends is to leave because that is not acceptable Or better, don't join in the first place? Just keep in mind that for both men and women, they don’t know from date, one or date two whether you are somebody they want to build a life with. The point is, you are evaluating that on the dates right? So, who you are willing to go on dates with in the first place has the most influence on who you deem as suitable for you. So any ugly ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:29 PM
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I get not wanting men to hit on you when you don't want them to, but don't you feel worse when an ugly man does vs an attractive man? One is affirming, the other undermining.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:21 PM
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In talking with men, many of them are relate a very formative experience in their late teens or early 20s, where they’ve dated a hot chick who’s great in bed, but is a complete nut job. Maybe we weren't all stupid enough to think such a woman was either not a nut job, and second that she's even attracted to you. And vice versa. I mean some of what women say, I'm absolutely shocked the 40 something year old man who worked in the same office as you when you graduated said his wife didn't treat him…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:19 PM
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That a woman can describe her experiences with rose men in vivid technicolour, and then describe her "maturing" and only then being able to describe the men she settles with in flat monochrome. You loved the men you slept with when younger for who they are. The ones you settle for, if asked about them, all that comes to.mind is how he transfers value to you. That's just sad. Why are you doing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:00 PM
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I'm not saying you should. But its implicit in you answer that you consider being with a man who's personality you mesh with as settling. Fair enough. Make that known. The n women will only have to deal woth the kinority of men that are attractive, that's a better world for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:57 PM
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I'm saying don't settle and don't pretend that you ever will. Wouldn't you prefer never having to talk to men that are ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:55 PM
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No, I just don't get where this need to seem like it's not the first think that women filter for comes from. If it was widely understood, we'd be in a world where half the men would date and hookup and enter relationships, and the rest could do other things knowing that no woman would ever want them. And the women would therefore like in a world where they only interact with attractive men, which is what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:54 PM
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You filter first by looks and then personality. When you are able to have the men you want, you go on dates with men you find attractive and then on the date itself to figure if you even like them. The sequencing of it gives the game away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:21 AM
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It's not as apparent in real life even if the sentiment is the same to an extent, but the longer I think about it I genuinely think men largely don't get the way women think. I love the insinuation that men should understand and account for the way women think, but the other way round? Women can't be expected to lower themselves to doing that? Can women, just for a second, just imagine what it would feel like to know the person you are with does not, would have never, and will not ever desire yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:19 AM
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Better than a woman telling you she's only with you because she can't get the better men she used to be able to. In a relationship that's devoid of desire or regard, and you are a useful nuisance to her who's value is only in how you can fund her life
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:26 PM
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Mate, you got married!. To a woman who specified that your desirability and sexual performance extended the relationship. What do you mean you are hookup material and not also husband material?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 10:04 AM
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