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Question For Womenwtknight/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 02:09 PM
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Sure. Women want initial friendliness from a man so they can assess safety and compatibility. Most women become attracted after that fairly quickly, though. So they are bothered when a long-time friend suddenly makes his sexual attraction known.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:44 PM
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Who the hell got you to believe that women strictly go off an evolutionary sense? Because those are base instincts. Women only share men when they think they have a chance to eventually get that man to be exclusive with them. No woman actually biologically wants to share a man unless he is either very rich and she is not well off herself, very high status (although women will only tolerate this for a limited time), or unless she is part of some religious culture strongly influencing her to belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:37 PM
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I’m saying that women need more than “niceness” for attraction - the proof being that many women have male friends who are nice to them who they are not attracted to. Men want to know what these qualities are. Of course, manosphere men are wrong that women prefer jerks. But Blue Pillers are equally wrong to believe that all a man has to do is be a genuinely nice guy and that he will eventually attract someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:32 PM
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Why should men care about this so much? Many already show that they like to do things like hire prostitutes or escorts. Can you imagine how many would use them if they were both cheap and if their wives or partners said that it was okay for them to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:28 PM
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It doesn’t make evolutionary sense for a woman to prefer this if her potential offspring cannot be provided for. This is why only very wealthy men historically tended to have harems, with women who may or may not have consented to being in that harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:26 PM
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If she’s not hideous or super annoying then most heterosexual men won’t be bothered, I think - especially if alcohol is involved at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:23 PM
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There are men who have complained about this on this sub before, but it is rarer. Some men even have complained about being heterosexual and have said that they wish they were gay or bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:12 PM
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Make it real obvious like she puts her hand on my thigh or something like that. It’s not realistic, but you’re asking how men prefer to be approached. And men are not women who will feel threatened by something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 12:10 PM
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So no woman ever has a genuinely nice male friend whom she is not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:10 PM
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Misandry doesn’t work because it just ends up repelling half of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:09 PM
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Women don’t want to share men. Evolutionarily, it means less resources for their offspring if they have to share. Women are more likely to try a dual mating strategy than to share a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:08 PM
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Yeah, two. It is essential that women have more standards because the survival of her and the offspring that she has sacrificed her body and time for depend upon it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:06 PM
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A heterosexual woman can get friendliness from other women. A man is providing something else in addition to that that makes her attracted to him. Men want to know what is, because plenty of them are able to be nice to their female friends who are not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:04 PM
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I don’t buy that. Women have way more opportunities with men than men do women with women. Men freely admit this. Men also have more testosterone than women, which makes them become more aggressive to rejection easier. Women’s estrogen makes makes them more likely to become mopey.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:58 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:55 PM
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That doesn’t mean that it’s not a poor one. It’s the same logic that anyone who practices an -ism uses, including -isms that progressive feminists actually abhor.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:43 PM
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Women approach much higher value men who are more likely to pump and dump or fuckzone them because of hypergamy. This is why women don’t approach more. The men who do approach them are the ones who will be more likely to see them as equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:42 PM
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A lot of men do, I think, because they have fewer chances at sex, and a woman rejecting them impacts his self-esteem much more. Women do get upset when they are “fuckzoned” and find out, though. I will grant you that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:39 PM
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That’s a very poor counterargument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:38 PM
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Because women are concerned for their safety with a man. Men are not concerned so much for their safety with a woman. Men do usually want “nice, empathetic” women, though. The replies here do seem to indicate this, and I think that the men who don’t care about personality at all are a minority. Men care about this on an evolutionary basis because they do want their children to be well-adjusted enough to reproduce someday and pass on their genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:36 PM
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Because I don’t think that normal women react poorly to being rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:31 PM
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One political party of American men. Not “all men”. The men in the Democratic Party evidently took the accusations against Graham Platner seriously and didn’t shrug it off, because he had to suspend his campaign. It’s easy to get negative and start blaming all men when things look bad and not praise them when they do the right thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:30 PM
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My point is that seeing women as more than a sex partner, baby maker, and domestic help is only a recent phenomenon. Yet, women are shocked that some men don’t see women as one of their potential best friends when they start dating them. Men have other men for friends. They don’t really “need” their opposite sex partner to be one. So why care much about her personality? For women it makes more sense evolutionarily, because their own safety is more of an issue when cohabitating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:40 PM
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It’s the same for other men I’ve known too. I think that men like to cherry pick the occasional crazy woman and then claim that it’s most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:32 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:30 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:28 PM
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It doesn’t make sense for men to be attracted to make-acting women, either. If men wanted to date other men, then it would be much easier to just be gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:27 PM
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Or go back in time. It’s catering to women that has brought about the current marriage paradigm. Men didn’t have to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:24 PM
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Maybe they don’t need to spend a significant amount of time with their “partner”. That’s some kind of female preference, I think. I personally like my wife to be a good friend, but not all men need that, and historically that’s not how many marriages were.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:22 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:18 PM
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I liked to date quiet introverts who enjoy intellectual conversations. Other than that, I’m not too picky about personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:17 PM
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Of course women are pickier, as they have to worry about both their safety and pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:15 PM
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I suppose that it makes sense. Big it’s a problem (for both men and women) when they want to be in the other category, whether it’s relationship guy wanting to be casual sex guy or casual sex woman wanting to be relationship woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:13 PM
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I suppose that many people (especially men) see dates more like a job interview than friendly conversation. There aren’t too many people who enjoy job interviews just because it gives them a chance to talk to some new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 12:10 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 11:29 PM
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Please follow the rules of this sub or you will eventually receive a temporary ban.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:19 PM
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What would you think of a man who got up, walked out, and made you pay the entire bill because he thought that you were the one acting up?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 03:16 PM
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It’s caused mostly by young men being able to turn to internet spaces to vent their frustration collectively. It is also caused by men being less social than in the past due to immersive video games, internet porn, and other online distractions. Most of the reaction from progressives is just that: a reaction to something that men already started doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:34 PM
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I think that they do actually dislike a lot of men. However, they make an exception with the man whom they like and date. So many times I’ve read “I don’t like most men. But my boyfriend is different”, or some variation of that. So I don’t think that women like men as much as you think. However, they will still often give the right man a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:21 PM
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Women usually want "equal partners" now. Of course, they can get equal partners from dating a woman, probably even easier than they can from trying to find a man who is open-minded enough to actually act out a woman's ideal equal partners scenario. Therefore, while some women still do like traditional men, especially in less developed countries, it's unsurprising that a lot of western women are just not bothering with men and choosing to date women instead, who are more likely to fulfill the "eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:20 PM
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Nope. I guess I just don't act as mature as I look.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 04:13 PM
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There was all kinds of simping in the old days before the internet. That was how men supposedly attracted women. They then got married, and the woman proceeded to get upset because the man stopped simping, while the man got upset because he didn't have enough sex and his freedom was now restricted ("the old ball and chain"). There were all kinds of romantic songs on the radio designed for men to keep their girlfriends happy so that she didn't break up with him and make him start the search for a…
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I watched that a long time ago because I'm an old guy. One of my favorite quotes of all time that I still often reference is "So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Yeah, you can't virgin shame here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:43 PM
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You need to make your post a Debate post and frame your beliefs as an affirmative statement. Then you will likely get some good discussion, although you will be obligated to defend your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:07 PM
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A woman even being attracted to a man is internalized misogny? Be careful what you say here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:05 PM
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Your warning has been removed since the post was later removed by a different moderator.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:04 PM
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A lot of romance oriented movies and tv shows (and probably romance novels, although I haven't read those) show men behaving precisely this way. I am guessing that a few men can pull it off. I don't think that it's impossible. But expecting most men to be that way is probably asking for too much. Men are usually either quiet and sensitive, the first being not particularly attractive to women. Or they are confident but arrogant assholes, the second not being particularly attractive to women once …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:03 PM
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It makes genetic sense, and one sees the same kind of behaviors from other animals, and humans are animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:00 PM
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If one uses their brain, then one won't die alone. Men can always go to a poor country and cohabitate with but not marry a much younger, poorer woman. He'll be used for his money and she might sleep with other men on the side, but he won't die alone. Women can make friend networks with other women, because women like to do that kind of thing. They don't need some man to keep them company at that point in their lives.
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:42 AM
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I wouldn't say that they are all bad at sex. Some of them are probably good at it but just aren't very interesting to be around. Men often get tired of sex even with attractive women just because men inherently like variety. It often takes a woman with a good personality that is compatible with that man's for him to want to settle down with her.
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 07:23 PM
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Well, not necessarily. It just means that one is attracted to a gender that is not their own. If one thinks that there are 10 genders and one is attracted to the nine of them that is not one’s own gender, then one is still technically heterosexual. But I’m just being technical about this. The way it plays out, gender is mostly dichotomized. I think that are evolutionary reasons why heterosexuality exists, although it is not necessary for all individuals to be heterosexual for a species to surviv…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:35 PM
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You do know that AOC, the prime famous example of these women, is engaged to a man, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 12:29 PM
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Plenty of men still go golfing, hunting or fishing together. I don't see a decline of male spaces. I think that women just have a problem with male-only clubs that give men more privileges than them and therefore help to uphold the patriarchy. Even with golf it is often an activity that lower level male employees develop bonds with upper level male employees, as more men seem to golf than women. Although plenty of women golf, I am not sure as many of them do as men, and I am not sure how often t…
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It usually has to do with when comments get reported and who is handling the moderation queue at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:08 PM
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And I never said that pressuring someone is a good thing. I’m only saying that we still need to be held responsible for our decisions even if they are made due to the pressure of others. Does someone who commits a crime get to avoid jail time because his friend pressured him to do it with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:07 PM
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It’s the idea of variety and trying new things out, including new women. Think of it like a food buffet. Do you always only want to eat the same food at a buffet? Don’t you want to try new foods sometimes, even if you don’t “love” those foods? Men can afford to think this way because they don’t get pregnant like women do. I would venture to guess that even trans men don’t think this way due to the still possible danger of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:03 PM
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I don’t think that it’s completely contradictory to what things to be fairer but also want to be with someone who has ambitious goals. The ambition in a man is kind of a biological marker that he will try to provide well for their offspring, but one doesn’t need to have a grossly unequal capitalist system to desire that. A lot of progressives only want a few important things socialized, such as health care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:58 PM
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it’s really my main argument here to prove age gaps are biologically optimal You say “psychologically optimal” in your title. They aren’t psychologically optimal for a young woman unless that young woman is very poor, and most western young women are not very poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:51 PM
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Sure. This is what male family members should help to prevent, and why it might not be a good idea to let young women live single, by themselves, and on their own. You can say that this restricts women's freedoms. But if you are arguing that some men are not going to change and are not going to abide by restraining orders, then what is the alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:55 AM
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I agree that it is harassment. Some sales pitches are also persistent on a daily basis, though. But if one eventually says yes to an ad that one sees many times, then one did not buy something "under duress". This kind of thing is people trying to avoid responsibility for their own decisions and is one of the biggest problems that I have with the thinking of today's younger generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:49 AM
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Women aren't into men even if they are not scary if said men do not act confidently towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:43 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:38 AM
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I always used chatrooms, and preferred developing bonds in chatrooms. I'd probably be using Discord today if I were young and trying to date and not Tinder or Hinge.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:32 AM
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I don’t think so. Every rejected women I’ve known, including a few that I rejected, took no for an answer easily and just got mopey for a bit before recovering. I’ve never heard of a woman getting overly persistent or overly angry about being rejected like I’ve seen some men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:52 PM
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So if the man sent you a text advertising himself and asking for sex like how companies send out ads to be viewed asking you to buy their product then it would be okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:55 PM
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This is just “treat all guns as loaded” philosophy and is no different from thinking that every man has the potential to be violent or to be a rapist. Someone who has a problem with one perspective should always have a problem with the other. And even thinking “many or most” women is likely no different than thinking the same thing about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:52 PM
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Women possibly caving in to men who ask for sex a lot and then not taking responsibility for their actions is gross to me. I don’t like women who enjoy trying to make themselves into victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:13 PM
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If a company shows you the same ad on television everyday and you eventually buy the product, then did you buy the product under duress?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:02 PM
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Sure. Men shouldn’t be pestering women asking for sex everyday. I even think that it’s grounds for a restraining order if it happens too often. I just don’t think that it’s “rape” if she eventually gives in and says yes. As humans, we need to be responsible for our actions and held responsible for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:59 PM
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There is a law that allows me to block television ads that I’m tired of seeing? I had no idea about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:55 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:53 PM
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Because we live in an adult world. Companies send people ads or make consistent sales pitches all the time. If I eventually buy their product, it is irresponsible of me to say that I did not “consent” to buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:46 PM
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It seems to me that the things on your list promote attachment rather than independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:44 PM
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Urbanization means more dating options, which is good for choosy people who don’t like the fewer options in smaller places. There is certainly a cultural mismatch that some people experience living I. A small town.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:42 PM
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I kind of like it when women are good at something that I’m not as good at. However, from past experience women don’t seem to look highly upon men like this due to female sexual hypergamy. Women seem to like men who are at least as good at something as they already are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:40 PM
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Isn’t this just how to create a “mama’s boy”? Men who are too attached to their mothers are usually not attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:16 PM
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I don’t think that it’s because they are weird about it as much as men are just less social and socially skilled than they were in the past. And for the men who are socially skilled, online women are more aware of the “games” that men play due to private conversations that men previously had with each other now being had online anonymously where all women can see them. Women can form their own social groups online to talk about how terrible men all are-groups much larger and influential in the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:13 PM
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I think that there is a difference between making someone attracted to something that he or she is not attracted to at all compared to telling that person that perhaps some ''icks" are not as really big of a deal as they think that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:36 AM
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Probably for some people. I think that some therapists could talk people into being realistic about their standards, or to give people whom they might not normally give a chance a romantic chance a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:34 AM
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It's not "gaming" the question if it's what a lot of men really think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:14 PM
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Manga is gender-coded in Japan and the companies can basically ignore what the other gender thinks of the genre. In addition, the Japanese certainly don't care much what non-Japanese people think about their genres. They make their media for themselves, not for woke westerners. It's only in the west, where companies are so greedy that they try to appeal to both genders at once, where things like "objectification" become an issue. Frankly, I think that western companies should become more like Ja…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:12 PM
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You got an answer. If you don't like it, then maybe your question is poorly written.
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Was it nine times in a row on the same day, or nine times on nine separate days? There is a stronger argument to be made that the first example is coercion and non-consensual. In the second example, she probably needs to be an adult, use the legal system, and just get a restraining order if she is not interested in the guy and feels like she is being harassed and stalked, or talk to HR if it is happening at her job.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:37 PM
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Well, this is kind of the life that women chose when given a choice. Western women still complain a lot about western men, of course. But whenever some woman from some developing country mentions how life is like in her country, western women are always talking about how much better life is in the west for them in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:34 PM
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I was chatting with multiple women online at the time I met my now long-time wife. The other women had jobs, while my wife was unemployed at that time. She was simply online more often when I was not working, so I developed a stronger rapport with her than I did with the other women. So yeah, the fact that "she was there" played a big part in me choosing her and us ending up together and eventually married, as all of the women whom I was chatting with seemed like pretty nice people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:28 PM
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Most western men don't think that it is something to be ashamed of. Women, on the other hands, often have reservations about having it. This is why men try to find subtle ways to seduce women into having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:36 PM
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By some radical feminists, sure. Liberal choice feminists are usually fine with women doing whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:07 PM
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Sure. Many men think that some other men are the problem. Those individual men just do not want to be grouped in with those men, because they think that they are not part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:51 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:46 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:39 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:01 PM
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If you're not afraid of it, then you do have more power because you have more freedom to walk where you want to walk without fear. Society would be much worse if there were no police force at all, and a police force is mostly a male organization controlled by men for the purpose mostly of controlling men who deviate from social norms decided by men with the input of the women whom they want to employ in the general workforce and whom they want to have consensual sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:46 PM
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That's good to hear. The rhetoric from older women usually tends to be more of the "I'm giving up on men" type rhetoric, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:44 PM
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Corporations don't have an "end game". They are trying to make the most money they can in the short-term. This means having more labor in the labor force (meaning, more women) so that there is more competition for jobs so that they can pay labor less. Corporations also, in general, try to pay women less than they pay men too, which is why there is often still a wage gap despite women often having the same prestigious jobs that men do. Men are usually much more assertive about demanding fair wage…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 08:43 PM
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Women who do make moves often make moves towards men who are significantly above their league. Men can do much better when they have the courage to make the first move themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:55 PM
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Older women always seem more demanding and often get annoyed easier because they have put up with more crap from men (crap judged from their perspective, at least) and have more baggage. Younger women are more difficult to actually attract, but are often much nicer and less demanding than older women if one can manage to actually attract them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:56 PM
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Sure. Being able to survive as a single woman means that women can be more demanding. I do believe in sexual hypergamy. I am not sure that the standards have increased when it comes to basic attraction when a woman first meets a man, but when it comes to what a woman will put up with when man does not behave how she wants, I do believe that he might have to be better looking or more charismatic in order for her to make the decision not to leave him and just live on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:54 PM
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I am not sure why it doesn't. Why are women so afraid of men when they encounter them in dangerous situations in real life, then, such as in an empty parking lot at nighttime? Men certainly aren't afraid of encountering a woman in a similar situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:47 PM
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Humans are indeed animals. They are Homo sapiens, and subject to the same evolutionary principles as other animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:46 PM
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I'm not sure how much someone who is in full adulting mode and someone who is still navigating through young adulthood have in common. I personally don't think 35 and 24 is an issue, since a 24 year old is usually living a full adult life. But 30 year old men pursuing 18 or 19 year old women seems strange to me. I'm not against it, because I am in full sort of adults making their own decisions, but I hardly think that it is some kind of "normal" relationship. The "power differential" argument ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:42 PM
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Sure. We should be better than our biology, but a lot of "base" behaviors such as dating behaviors that seem to be prevalent cross-culturally (such as men pursuing and women being the choosers) likely come back to biology just because they are very common in cultures that are completely unrelated to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:53 AM
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Well sure. Marriage is a piece of paper and the relic of religious institutions that not everyone wants dictating their lives. But I do think that people who date should date for the purpose of wanting things to last for as long as possible with a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:51 AM
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Sure, that is the law of nature. Civilization is actually pretty fragile. If enough people of either gender or some particular ideology are unhappy, things can get bad quickly. It is most men's ability to follow laws at least to a certain extent that keeps everything from unraveling like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:46 AM
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No, of course not, which is why some men embrace far right ideologies that promise a return back to old norms. It is an easier path for them than trying to learn how to relate to women as actual people and to compromise and cooperate with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:43 AM
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Related to this, though, is that with each successive generation of men, men are doing gradually more and more housework. This doesn't end up benefiting said men, though, as Western divorce rates continue to rise, and reasons for divorce initiated by women shifted from 'he doesn't do housework/ support me' to 'he doesn't emotionally support me' Yes, I think that the issue is that women have very quickly taken up the burden of doing full-time 40+ high-income, white-collar work due to rapidly expa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:40 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:34 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:31 PM
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I don't like women who act overly aggressive like men do. I don't like men who act overly aggressive either, but I am not romantically interested in men, so it's easier to try to just avoid men like that, and it's more understandable why men do act like that, since it's their traditional gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:27 PM
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Yes. I have only been in three, and I married two of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:53 PM
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The outdoor work and repairs is not as much of a consistent labor, though, which is why the traditional husband still found time to do these things even while working 40+ hours a week, while the housewife did all of the domestic work. The problem is, most women do not want to be housewives anymore, and they are expecting men to be both traditional men and part-time househusbands. It’s not a role that men have traditionally had to fill. So when men overtly, covertly, or unconsciously rebel, the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:52 PM
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I was hoping to eventually get to that point as long as I continued liking her, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:47 PM
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Largely because mostly men are policing other men so that it no longer is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:41 PM
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I genuinely want someone to explain this to me without falling back on evo psych just so stories. Evolutionary behavior of animals, a category that humans are also belong to, is not a just-so story. Many people believe in evolutionary principles for other animals. Are you a creationist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:37 PM
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what women already bring to the table If she is a woman with any value, then she will do some chores, be pleasant to be around, have interesting conversations, enjoy going on outings, and, yes, be enthusiastic in the bedroom. I’ve never dated a woman who didn’t fulfill all of these requirements, although I am sure that some who don’t are out there. what do you wish women start to bring to the table Most western women, and especially American women, act too much like men. So what I wish more wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:54 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:02 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:19 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:17 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:13 AM
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Either demand is increasing a lot, or supply is decreasing a lot. It is simple economics, and it's likely both are probably happening, as there are more desperate men and fewer women who need or want to have extra money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:53 AM
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The bar is low for men if they act like women. Unfortunately for many men, they have been raised in cultures where they are raised to be like traditional men, where having a job, doing outdoor chores, and perhaps making small repairs, is the important male bar to clear, while doing domestic indoor chores and helping with child care is not as much of an important bar to clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:51 AM
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An average woman can’t have casual sex with a high value man and expect an average man whom she makes wait for sex to be happy with that. Why would he be? Women just need to treat all men whom they want to be potentially intimate with the same. The problem is average young women putting high value men on a pedestal and then taking advantage of the sexual freedoms that feminism has given them, not men putting women in a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:56 PM
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Gender fluidity is not cultural. Trying to destroy it is. My point is that some things, such as men trying to find a variety of partners while women trying to find the best one partner, are likely biological in nature due to their high prevalence cross-culturally. There are also biological explanations for behaviors like this that make a lot of sense and can be seen in many other animal species.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:47 PM
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One can also find hunter-gatherers behaving in very similar ways to more sedentary, supposedly connected cultures. Saying that indigenous American cultures, for instance, are very similar to continental European cultures seems very silly to me. Just the diversity in languages shows how much cultures change over time when they are separated. Yet, I am supposed to believe that highly disparate cultures managed to retain some of the exact same sexual behaviors over time due to only culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:41 PM
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I don’t think that women who can understand the male side of things really should bother dating men, since they don’t seem all that attracted to them because of their seeming inability to understand, lack of desire to understand, or lack of overall empathy, and that they should probably just date women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:34 PM
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A relationship isn’t some kind of contract. I personally don’t like the idea of dating without the eventual intention of something permanent, but I can see how some men don’t consider it “deceptive”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:31 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:26 PM
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I didn’t hang around these men much, but groups of men do talk about certain things when women aren’t around compared to when they are around. My wife has similar stories regarding groups of women who were not her friends but whom she was acquainted with, so I know that it’s not just a male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:25 PM
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That’s not what alpha means the way Red Pill defines it. Alpha is the capability to have sex with women easily because those women are viscerally attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:23 PM
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If every disconnected culture across the entire planet behaves the same way, then it would be very coincidental that they all just happened to develop the same cultural behaviors. It is more faith-like and less scientific to think that they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:22 PM
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Men that get casual sex may be more attractive but that is about it in terms of what features they have that are "better" This is precisely what makes them “alphas”. Men who aren’t as attractive for casual sex but who can attract women long-term through mostly a display of emotional commitment are “betas”. Note that a pure beta often has to wait for sex. While provision of resources is not as important as in the past since many women are better off financially, it is still sometimes important, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 11:12 AM
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But men prefer to not wait for sex. Why put off pleasure? And if the man likes the woman enough after that immediate sex, then he will stick around try to make it into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:25 PM
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Most men do not think that waiting for sex is better than not waiting for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:24 PM
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Then women should understand why this bothers some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:23 PM
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I did not say that I find the men disgusting, just their attitude towards women in this particular situation. Most men like to hang out with other men even if they do not agree with every single way that given way choose to live their lives, and ratting out the things that one does not like about certain men is not a good way to ensure future male friends. Instead, men try to give each other advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:23 PM
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And what does he have to offer? Nothing. This is why some men want to take away women's rights and go back to a world where they did have something to offer since women did not have much themselves. Posts telling men that they do not have much to offer women don't really do a good job discouraging the views of these reactionary men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:21 PM
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Men don't usually do that. That’s kind of breaking an informal code. It’s a good way to get ostracized at best, beat up at worst (although the guys I hung out with didn’t do the latter kind of thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:46 PM
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Because guys talk to each other and say things to other guys, the same as women often do, or at least guys did back when I was young.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:45 PM
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Women not being sympathetic with male issues is just as bad as when men are not sympathetic with women’s issues, in my opinion. If women aren’t going to be sympathetic to men’s issues, then they can’t expect men to be sympathetic to theirs, which is often why they are not, these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:03 PM
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I personally would not have a problem with a woman getting “burned” once by having immediate sex with a man in the past. What men usually have a problem with is when a formerly promiscuous woman is now making him wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:02 PM
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Cross-cultural surveys by evolutionary psychologists have shown that women prioritize different traits when it comes to short-term sexual partnerships compared to long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:58 PM
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Yes they are by definition of the Red Pill definition of it, as they are getting sex purely out of sexual attraction rather than through some form of long term, “beta” promise of emotional support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:57 PM
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No. I knew guys who did this before, or guys who knew beforehand that their first girlfriend was a “starter girlfriend”. I always thought that it was disgusting and usually subtly told these guys so, in which case these guys subtly told me to mind my own business. Social shaming doesn’t seem to work as well when men do it to each other as when women do it to each other. Usually only challenging a man’s masculinity works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:54 PM
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And why do you think that it would not bother the typical man when he has to wait for sex, but “Chad Thundercock” did not have to in some club restroom right after meeting said woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:19 PM
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Why are you laughing? AF/BB is Red Pill 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:17 PM
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Yes, it is. Especially Google Gemini. “While age-gap relationships dominate social media, data shows large age gaps are actually becoming less common.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:15 PM
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I don’t have any sympathy for hypocritical men who want women to act traditionally but also to have full-time, well-earning jobs. Such men deserve to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:13 PM
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Most men on this sub say exactly the same thing, and I believe that cross-cultural survey research from evolutionary psychologists supports this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:12 PM
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Women should be making every man wait, and men should be patient that with every woman that is making him wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:10 PM
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Responses like these are what makes me think that many women don’t really like men. Women who have no empathy towards possible male insecurities should probably either just date other women or become asexual, as that is probably their actual sexuality to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:06 PM
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This is because relationship is a long-term, productive goal and sex is a short-term, hedonistic goal. Of course, women do sometimes want just sex, but a man disguising his intentions when he only wants sex is what is bad. Women want the men who only want sex to be completely upfront about it, because when they are not, then it basically amounts to manipulation because it pretending to want a friendship or a relationship just to get sex is much worse in women’s minds than pretending to only want…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:32 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:26 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:23 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:17 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:14 AM
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If a young man can be just as hurt by another young person too, then just make sex before some kind of state sanctioned declaration of adulthood illegal then. If we want to make 25 year olds “adult” enough to choose to have sex with an older person, then just make sex between two 24-year olds illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:30 PM
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Yeah, of course. But there’s a chance that the guy is still going to stealth or get too rough. And even if he doesn’t there is a good chance that she won’t orgasm. Casual sex was one of feminism’s dumber ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:26 PM
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I’m glad that more younger women are into relationship sex, although it becomes a problem when a woman has a casual sex past. This makes “relationship guy” think that the casual sex guys were more “alpha” than him. Older relatives should be discouraging young women from ever having casual sex for precisely this reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:24 PM
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Men don’t prefer ambitious women. Most men want hot women with nice personalities. They usually don’t place a lot of importance in her job and her ambition as long as it’s not one that is going to embarrass him among his peers in the particular social class that he is in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:20 PM
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That doesn’t bother me. There are plenty of poor women in the world who still need men for what has historically been their best uses, which is their earning power, and their ability to protect women from the environment and from predation. In fact, western women probably still need men for the latter uses, but the system has been built so that men still have an incentive to cooperate in women’s protection. This may not always be the case, though, in which case those women who have male partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:15 PM
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Why? They like young bodies and young personalities, and these people are deemed by society to be adults. My point is that we are not deeming certain people as adults, then why don’t we start making it illegal for them to have sex at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:10 PM
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Age gap relationships are on the rise? What is the source for these data?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:07 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:05 PM
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Sure. Casual sex is gross and dumb and was advanced as a misguided supposed “freedom” for women. But the women who aren’t attracted to men should just stop lying to themselves about being heterosexual too, because a lot of the rhetoric against men makes it seem like some of them aren’t attracted to men at all. By no means do I think that all women aren’t attracted to men, but I get sick of reading the complaints of supposedly heterosexual or bisexual women who don’t seem to be attracted to anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:20 PM
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A lot of men want women to have a preference for a man who is “nice like them”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:19 PM
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This is why more young women listen to music from other women and want to see movies starring women and decentering men. They don’t need anymore since they are becoming more educated and wealthy, so they get to start dictating the culture and the acceptable behaviors now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:03 PM
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These posts happen all the time. 75% of people will usually say “it’s legal but creepy”. The other 25% say that it’s terrible that this happens. Manosphere usually get upset at the 25%, but still don’t like that the other 75% think that the practice means that the guy is kind of creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:58 PM
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You're expecting a person in the first 25% of their life to fully understand and know what they sre getting in But it’s just sex, and a young adult is just as likely to have a bad sexual experience with a young adult their own age. Yet, I don’t see anyone saying that young adults should be completely banned from having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:52 PM
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The debate is that the minds of these young adults are still too young. Child marriage was the past, not the future, which makes it different from homosexual marriage or interracial marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:17 AM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:14 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:11 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:06 AM
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Biologically it is, although I do think that women need to realize that they are only going to be able to attract men in their league, and that the men in their league probably are not going to like it if some higher league man had casual sex with her, but that she is making him wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:02 AM
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A lot of men don't believe that they really can improve themselves much, or enough to attract women, at least. It is kind of like taking something on faith for men to believe women that less attractive men can improve themselves enough to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:00 AM
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What I am saying is that women should recognize that men did not have this same challenge in the past. I am not saying that women need to change. It is men who need to adapt, but women should recognize that men in the past often did not have to behave in ways that they are being asked to behave now, so this is something that is new for many of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:05 PM
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I am not sure why you think that. If you want to argue the warning, then you will need to take it to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:03 PM
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Well, if it works out for her, then of course they are wrong. It is generally accepted that older people have more wisdom than younger people, though, and that friends who are looking at things impartially might have insights that the person who is clouded at the time by emotions or lust might not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:01 PM
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Even women with means are going to prefer partners who make her hypothetical offpsring's life potentially better, I think. It is why women tend to prefer men who have ambition rather than some guy who is just a nice slacker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:58 PM
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That's because it's not exploitation. If they are marrying due to poverty then it is. No. It is these women choosing to make their lives better by marrying a man with resources, just as if she married a man with more money in her own country. Is it exploitation when a poorer woman marries a richer man in her own country? Or if a poorer man marries a richer woman in his own country?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:54 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:51 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:50 PM
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The problem is that all men needed in the past was a decent job in order to bring value to a woman. Now that many women earn good money on their own, they need to bring more value than that, and many men struggle with that. Just being "decent people" alone usually isn't enough. Men who are friendly with women often just become friends. This new western order when it comes to relationships has frustrated many men who do not want to put in the extra work that previous generations did not, and perh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:48 PM
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Sure, women may have exploited hypergamy more when these conditions happened, but I don't think that that means that this is the origin of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:50 AM
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Sure. And if a fat woman lost weight she wouldn't have to date the fat man. Or if an ugly woman had a better face she would date a better looking man. Inequalities are a part of life when it comes to attraction based upon looks, too. Even with something like social competence - men who were born more socially competent would attract better looking women from the beginning, and women who had better "girl game" would attract better men. But when a better looking man marries an average looking woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:49 AM
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I believe that it says that men make value for themselves, but that female attraction naturally comes when men do become valuable for themselves. In that sense, it was meant to distinguish itself from pick up artistry, which was all about "tricks" to attract women and did precisely define value by how often those tricks worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:42 AM
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Yeah, but just being around women usually gives men more confidence to make the kind of conversation that eventually will attract women, even if those friend women at the time have no interest in that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:40 AM
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Huh? There were not really that many men who were just completely asocial in a way where they did not come into regular contact with women when I was young pre-internet and pre-social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:39 AM
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Sure. Families can sometimes be wrong. But when the people whom a person is closest to are telling someone to do one thing, but then that person does the opposite and it backfires on them, that is when it is most appropriate to say "told you so" (hopefully in a sensitive way), even if it has nothing to do with relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:37 AM
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It is why women become more attracted to men with other masculine traits in societies that have more gender income equality. This is hinted at by studies that have been done in Nordic countries. I mean, it makes logical sense for women to be attracted to something masculine about a man, even if it no longer has to be resources. If they were not, then they would just hang out with their female friends, which the women who are disillusioned completely with all men often do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:35 AM
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Men don't get offended when mid women are attracted to highly attractive men. Men get offended when mid women believe that they are entitled to relationships with men who are much more attractive than them. Okay, that is a fine distinction. Of course I meant when women act upon the attraction, which sexually emancipated western women often do these days, rather than just being attracted in their brains to men who are more attractive than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:32 AM
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Hypergamy as defined by the Red Pill is sexual hypergamy. Anything that a woman defines as "better", whether it is status or fitness that makes her select better men, falls under the umbrella, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:31 AM
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Yes, this is a good point. As long as there were groups of "other" tribes that men can take things from, women and their offspring benefitted by being with those men who were able to take those things from those men and thus to provide more resources for their children. I kind of disagree that feminism encourages this dynamic. If anything, it makes women more likely to look for men who will share in domestic duties, as women are able to earn more money themselves under feminism rather than only …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:30 AM
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So it is those women's choices, and not coercion on the man's part. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:21 AM
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A stronger or faster man could still better protect a woman from both animal predators and other men even before agriculture. A better looking man still had the signs of health and virility that less attractive men do not. Women were likely not formerly attracted to weak, inferior men and only became attracted to "better" men once men got patriarchic power.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:38 AM
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However, we don't have good grounds for thinking that women are BIOLOGICALLY hypergamous whereas men are not in the human species, this is a much more tenuous conclusion. We do have good grounds for thinking that women sexually select for "something", as sexual selection is well known in evolutionary science. It would also make biological sense for women to prefer to select for the men who have the greatest amount of that "something", as that would imply that that man's traits and genes are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:02 PM
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What evolutionary psychologists do do is look at traits across many diverse cultures and see if the same ones are present across cultures. When cultures with vastly different origins and vastly different geographies have similar behaviors when it comes to things like sexual choices, then it is much safer to say infer that these traits come from our biology rather than from culture or from genetic drift in one particular population, even though it can never be "proven", of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:58 PM
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Maybe when a lot of friends and family are telling her that the guy is bad news, but she chooses him or stays with him anyways, and eventually gets mistreated. It is probably not appropriate when the man starts acting in a way that most of the trusted people around her did not expect him to act.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:08 PM
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Men get offended when mid women are attracted to men who are much more attractive than them. They think these women are being delusional at their chances of actually attracting these men beyond anything that is sexual. And if they do only want them for something that is sexual, then they feel inadequate when these women eventually "settle" with them for relationships, especially if these women make these relationship men wait for sex when the more attractive men had casual sex right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:06 PM
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The false accusation rate is really pretty low, and I know men who do fine in traditionally feminine occupations like nursing. I don't know many men who have been falsely accused, but I know many women who have been harmed by men in some way. I don't think that the harm levels overall really compare.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:14 PM
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Yeah, the online option only being mentored by toxic men is kind of a big problem. In the past, men really could not help but be around other women when they had a normal social life. The only kind of men who weren't associating with women at all were the very few that were into a hobby like Warhammer 40k, perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:10 PM
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Sure. I think that that is because male sexuality is inherently predatory in some way, and women who are not attracted to a man (women are usually only attracted to a few men) are not open to those advances. Men who know that they have "bothered" women somehow with their "predatory" nature are going to be naturally bothered by the negative generalizations, I think, because they see themselves in some of those generalizations, even if the men who women are really upset at are the ones who go over…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:08 PM
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Sure. It is very easy to choose to be online and disassociate oneself, though. In the past, the alternative was just sitting around bored, so one basically had to find a real social life in order to not suffer from complete boredom.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:04 PM
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They want to go to have a better life with a foreign man. It is often better for them having a poor life with a poor man with overly traditional attitudes in their own country. I think that western women need to think about what the alternatives often are for these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:03 PM
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Men don't instinctively want to kill women. The point of my comment is that men normally instinctively want to protect certain women because it protects their future genes, and many men are not incapable of empathically bonding with women, especially their mothers and sometimes their wives, depending upon that man's personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:01 PM
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Really all of the experience men need is just having some female friends and talking to women. He may not be able to attract one of those friends, but at least he will learn how to talk to women and to understand how their minds are different than men's. It sounds like the type of thing that you are suggesting is more like "gifting" men starter girlfriends. This kind of thing just alienates women. Men need to figure out things on their own, and Red Pill negative stereotypes about women usually d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:57 PM
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Wanting to protect "his honor" is still a natural instinct to protect some women in his family. It just is not for a reason of empathy. It is more for the evolutionary reason of protecting someone whom one shares genes with, and not wanting to have to provide resources to the possible offspring of a rape. I would argue that men do develop emotional attachments to their mothers and often (although not always) to their own wives that go beyond mere genetic and resource provision interests, though.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:22 PM
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Contentless rhetoric really means anything not having to do with directly debating the topics of this sub. Harmless contentless rhetoric likely will not result in a ban, but it can be removed by a moderator anytime at his or her discretion if he or she wishes. Contentless rhetoric that serves only to annoy other users will usually result in a warning or a temporary ban.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:26 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:23 AM
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Yeah sure. Women are like restaurants. Everyone wants food. But some places don’t get many customers even if the food is cheap. And even if that place does get a customer, he doesn’t really want to keep going there long enough to be a long-term customer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:15 PM
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Power imbalances are only bad if the one in power takes advantage of them. Almost everybody has had a boss before, and many times people have had good bosses that did not take advantage of the “power dynamic” that they had over their employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:09 PM
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Most of them are poorer. “Poor” is not an insult word. Generalizations about poorer people are silly to me. The women in poorer countries vary just as much as individual Americans do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:05 PM
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Then how is it “trafficking” if a woman from overseas marries a western man and she is treated well and she is able to get a good job in that man’s country?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:02 PM
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Now you think that women are somehow not surviving in poor countries? The condescending paternalism that many westerners have towards people in poorer countries just astounds me sometimes. Women in poorer foreign countries can make the same rational judgments and choices that western women can and do about men. Please stop considering them as poor desperate children.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:00 PM
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I can’t discuss race on this sub, but I do point out that other -isms have real harms like job discrimination and violence against that group. Men are not being discriminated against due to misandry except for sexual choice. I have a really not been personally harmed because some men who are not me hate women and are violent towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:57 PM
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A lot of masculinity is traditionally predatory and potentially violent. I’m not sure why it bothers so many men when it is pointed out, when they can just say that they aren’t one of these men and be proud of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:54 PM
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There have been studies that show the cheating rates between men and women are nearly identical, even if one does not buy the idea that leaving someone for no real good reason is not disloyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:53 PM
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I’ve never seen women making light of sexual assault when it happens to men. If some do, I think that it’s a minority. While most men also do not assault women, I do think that male assault of women is more pervasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:51 PM
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Everyone seemed to back when I was young. I was about as nerdy as a guy could get and even I got invited to parties. Eventually if a guy talks to enough women he finds one or two who might like him. I don’t think that today’s lonely men get much chance to really socialize anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:43 PM
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No, it makes things more difficult than meeting people at parties and other social gatherings like people did in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:41 PM
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Dating has always been hard. People went to parties a lot more in the past and had more interactions than they do now that they are stuck on the internet and their phones. It was always hard to meet the right person, but now it has become more difficult to even meet people at all, and that makes dating even more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:40 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:14 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:14 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:13 PM
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Why ask for masculine women? Men who really want more masculine presence in their lives should either make more male friends or try dating other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:10 PM
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But she was emotionally cheating with Jim before the breakup, even though Roy was never a good boyfriend. And I was asking about whether a woman is messing around with another man when her current man is physically abusive. Is she being disloyal to that current man even though she is being mistreated because she hasn't left him?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:31 AM
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How so? So if a woman in a poor country gets a job overseas to make money for her family, then the employer is a trafficker? Because this kind of thing happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:28 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:24 AM
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I don't completely understand why men get so upset by this. All they have to do is think to themselves, "I'm not like those other men who women are complaining about." Since it's not really an issue like job discrimination like it is with other -isms, the only thing that I can think of is that men get upset because they actually do see themselves somewhat in the criticisms that women have of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 04:20 AM
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Truthfully, it really varies. Some of the women are like how you describe and some are like how the user whom you are replying to describes. Generalizing all of the women in an entire country is a pretty big mistake to make, and men who know what they are doing know how to "test" the women to tell the virtuous ones from the gold diggers and the ones who are basically prostitutes (although some men don't really mind the latter).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:00 AM
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Are most of your female friends like this with richer western men? If not, then why are you insulting foreign women from poor countries by calling them gold diggers and worse than western women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:54 PM
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It's not an issue if the foreigner and the local both fetishize each other. Then it kind of works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:48 PM
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Yes sure. This applies to the ones who do it who respect the local women and their culture and who are not misogynists who dislike all women and who are just using women in poor countries for easier sexual opportunities. Some of these men are in the latter category, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:44 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:23 PM
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No invalidating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:20 PM
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If she leaves her country and/or gets money, then she is not being taken advantage of unless somehow the harms to her are even worse than the benefits of that, such as actual abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:14 PM
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They probably should care about the costs to society of those choices, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:13 PM
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The prime example of how this is not so cut and dry is the behavior of the character Pam on the American version of The Office. At what point is Jim just a friend and at what point is she being “disloyal” and emotionally cheating on Roy? Eventually, she does physically cheat by kissing Jim, Roy gets mad and shows fully that he was an unsuitable partner to begin with, and Pam’s “disloyal” actions are brushed off by the rest of the office and by viewers. I cite this as an example to show that emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:12 PM
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A prison is not analogous to a bar or a club. The last part of my reply spoke to how there is a difference to the attitudes of men and many women being approached even in places like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:55 PM
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Then it doesn’t really solve much except encouraging more children. It just makes an existing and arguably worse problem worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:53 PM
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If a man actually cares for the women whom he meets, then how would that not be good? Even if he is neutral about her and just supporting her financially, she will end up better off than she was before.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:51 PM
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the left has yet to offer a better alternative to the manosphere, calling men trash and saying everything is our fault doesn't cut it, which is the biggest thing. This is because a lot of them want to get rid of the “patriarchy” age replace it with a matriarchy. They have no interest in men and women working together, so the best way to enable this is to label anything masculine as toxic and to ask men to act like women. Of course, we definitely need less harms of aggressive masculinity such as …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:50 PM
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This is an over-generalization and probably only describes half of men. From everything I’ve seen and experienced, western men can probably be put into one of four roughly equal categories. 25% of men easily to fairly easily attract women. Women either approach or give overt signals of interest to them. 25% of men struggle to attract attractive women, but do not have problems attracting some less attractive ones. 25% of men have to put in an effort to attract almost any woman. They might complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:05 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:36 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:28 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:21 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:15 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:06 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:04 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:02 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:01 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:28 PM
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It is probably a fair question to ask a heterosexual man, then. "Would you be bothered by another man doing the same thing that you are doing towards a woman?" The problem is that I do not think that it is a direct one to one comparison. as I don't think that even men are bothered by other men cold approaching them. Maybe if one asked it as "would you be bothered by a man 100 pounds heavier than you cold approaching you?" Still, I do not think that many men would be bothered by this if it were d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:24 PM
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I am not admitting that men emotionally cheat more. Women do it too when they have male friends that they basically line up to date when their relationship with their current partner does not work out. My point is that there are all kinds of ways to be disloyal besides just actually physically cheating with a partner. Just talking in an overly friendly way to another person who might potentially be a future partner could be disloyal, just as actually leaving a person whom one previously expresse…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:19 PM
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One who treats the women whom he meets well, I would think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:15 PM
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Be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:13 PM
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Having and raising children alone probably just creates more marginalized men, as these men do not have a positive male role model to look up to growing up, and instead turn to online manosphere grifters. Therefore I don't agree with the conclusion of this paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:12 PM
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No, it’s easier for multiple reasons. A man can attract women from a greater age range. Women in their early 30s get more desperate to settle down, or are at least “more ready” to settle down. Their libidos often increase at this age, too. Furthermore, men are more economically established at this age and therefore more attractive to women in their age range. Finally, men in their early 30s have “figured out” women more and therefore know how to attract them better. These men may not be able to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:30 PM
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Women can help prevent this by choosing not to have casual sex with men, but, for at least feminist women of the past, suggesting this was a method of "restricting women's sexual freedoms".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:52 PM
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Just wanting to have sex with women is not really "liking" them. This is certainly how many women see how men like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:32 PM
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That is a fair point that it is not at the same level, but it is still considered "disloyal" by many. Take "emotional cheating", for instance. Nothing is actually happening except talking with a person of the opposite sex, but many women still consider this cheating, and thus disloyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:30 PM
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There are reasons that we do not allow discussion about race, even if one's intentions are not bad, that are outlined in our rules wiki. Please do not bring up race again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:28 PM
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Most of the comments I read on Reddit are along the lines of "I am not into most men, but I really love my boyfriend". I think that women make an exception to their general disinterest in many men with the men whom they are actually interested in. Men often do not understand this because their sexuality does not work the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:24 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:44 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:41 AM
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This is a debate sub, not a circlejerk sub like most subs on Reddit where one will get banned for arguing. I will debate with exploitative passport bros if I see them on this sub and they admit to exploiting women. I already tell the men here that do not already passport bro that I do not think that passport bro'ing is good for the type of man who cannot handle cultural differences well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:36 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:31 AM
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It is not a personal attack to say that you are not putting effort into an argument. Breaking a contract is disloyal, and can get one sued in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:27 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:25 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:21 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:17 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:15 AM
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Not as undersocialized as the comphet posts that are now banned, which this post is dangerously close to being. At least OP is acknowledging that a few men might experience genuine sexual desire from a woman, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:55 AM
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Attracting the best women has always been about outcompeting other men. It is Blue Pilled nonsense to believe that there is “somebody out there for everybody”, and that men don’t even have to try. Women even get offended if they know that men aren’t putting in any effort and expect women to automatically be attracted to them. Western men can outcompete many developing country men. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:34 PM
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Why does the loneliness and unhappiness of average men with the means to travel outweigh the loneliness and unhappiness of poorer local men in these places? The above average men sleeping with average women in the west aren’t thinking about “depriving” those average men. Why should average men in the west be thinking about depriving average developing country men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:29 PM
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As an arguably “good passport bro”, I have better things to do than go on some misogyny-oriented sub and eventually get banned for calling out actual exploiters. This is why I can understand egalitarian feminists not going around “calling out” radical feminists. They just don’t want to be in those spaces to begin with, so when are they realistically getting the opportunity to call them out?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:27 PM
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The difference supposedly is that women are hypergamous, while men are just looking to date and marry their equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:20 PM
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How is that different from long-term prostitution, though, if his only attractive quality is his money?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:19 PM
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If one breaks a verbal employment agreement, is one being disloyal to one’s workplace? And if so, then explain how marriage vows are fundamentally different than a verbal contract. Of course, we allow divorce, but on the surface both of these arrangements are exactly the same, yet you would call one “disloyalty”, while the other is “just leaving”. If you want to convince me of your way of thinking, you are currently doing a very poor job of it. At least I am putting some effort into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:17 PM
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There are evolutionary psychology studies supporting some of the ideas. They don’t support misogyny, of course, but they might support ideas like “attempting to fulfill traditional gender roles in order to satisfy evolutionary needs”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:12 PM
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But you’re being disloyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:07 PM
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I don’t really agree that the average man can’t attract a western wonan. I think that he can, but that he might not like the quality of woman that he can attract. So I don’t agree that it is the “only real” solution for average men. I do think that is the ideal solution for men who either wish to optimize the quality of woman that they attract, whose personal values don’t agree with those of western women, or who no longer find western women all that attractive due to western women becoming more…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:02 PM
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If TRP gave out “licenses” and used many of the “studies” that they cite, I’m not sure how TRP would be structurally any different from therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:46 PM
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It’s disloyal. If you tell someone that you intend to be with them long-term, but then you are not, how can that not be disloyalty?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:45 PM
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I can understand why men might find the prevalence of female therapists off-putting, or might think that talk therapy wouldn't be effective for them personally, but where does this idea that therapy came from or is intended for feminists come from? Probably from men who went through marital counseling and did not like what they were told. My own issues with therapy are only about its expense rather than its efficacy. I’m just saying that some men seem hostile to it and think that it is a “grift”…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:43 PM
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And Red Pillers claim that TRP “can work” too. They are comparable in how the other side can accuse each practice of being “grift”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 11:39 AM
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How is it not disloyalty, especially if there are marriage vows? Monogamy means sticking to one person. Actively avoiding monogamy by choosing someone else, whether through breaking it off with the previous person or not bothering to first, is disloyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:04 PM
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I’ve never dated overly sexual or previously promiscuous women, so this has never been an issue for me. While I have always actively avoided known promiscuous women, I wouldn’t necessarily avoid a very sexualized women. I just don’t think I really matched as well with any of the ones that I’ve talked to. More sexually conservative women seem to feel safer around me and those are the ones I seemed to attract, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:01 PM
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It’s like blaming a difficult video game for being difficult. It’s silly and whiny. If a given man doesn’t want to put in the effort, then he should just decide not to play, or perhaps find an “easier mode” by going overseas.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:56 PM
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I’m not sure that this is borne out in studies. Women cheat as much as men. They just cheat for different reasons. They are also more likely to “legitimately” leave existing relationships and , which is also a form of disloyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:53 PM
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If you would like to challenge the warning and have other moderators look at it, then you can take it to Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:51 PM
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I’m not making any threats. I like most women. I just think that either sex taking a hostile attitude towards the opposite sex is a wrong approach. I dislike misandrists as much as I dislike misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:50 PM
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Recognized by whom? Psychologists? What gives them any more authority? Simply a degree? Furthermore, anyone can say that they are offering some form of “therapy”. I’m not even sure that everyone who calls themselves a therapist is properly licensed in some way. A lot of men already do think that therapy is basically a “grift” since it is feminist-centric.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:48 PM
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How would you even know if you are her best sexual experience? Maybe if she mentions it? Not all women are good at being quiet about things. Alternatively, if one is acquainted with one of her exes or previous sexual partners. Furthermore, many men feel that one man having sex right away while he has to wait as that other man receiving “better treatment”.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:46 PM
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Please report user comments that break this sub’s rules rather than retaliating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:44 PM
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But that is how men view a woman’s “sexual best”, and that is right in the title of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:43 PM
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Why? TRP thinks that they are “helping” men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:42 PM
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Several cultures have some kind of “coming of age” parties for girls or young women. I think that they were historically to mark her as “marriageable”, but there is no reason why they couldn’t be repurposed, or adopted by the cultures that don’t traditionally have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:41 PM
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A woman will make you plan the whole date, then judge you for not making it good enough, even though you're both there for each other. She'll feel she only has to show up and look nice, and if you're/ she is not impressed that's your failure. But a man who exhibits these preferences straight up just look toxic. A man who thinks he's the prize is thought of as problematic. I’ve had women ask me out on dates before. One doesn’t get these kinds of questions when it’s the woman doing the asking. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:42 AM
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I think that there were some famous scientists and academics who were single that society appreciates. I think that what “society” considers important is that a man contributes in some way, but not necessarily by providing for a woman and having a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:40 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:42 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:41 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:34 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:33 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:31 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:29 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:27 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:27 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:17 AM
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I don't think that being raped and a man being slapped by his female partner because he is rude to her are comparable harms.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:16 AM
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Women do not inherently value loyalty. They remain loyal if the man continues to fulfill their expectations. They often cheat on men who do not fulfill those expectations, as statistics about female cheating show.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:15 AM
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Well, it is all about changing the perception that men have of women. If you don't think that it can ever be changed, then I suppose women should just do whatever they want and hope that men won't eventually harm them more than they already do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:14 AM
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That's because their grift requires lying to you, and those lies don't work in a progressive environment. "Therapy works" is arguably a Blue Pill grift, mostly aimed towards women at the moment. And if it is not currently a grift, there are men out there who could certainly grift men by saying that their brand of therapy does work, which would be a Blue Pill way of doing things. Many therapists certainly do like making money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:07 AM
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Men are more likely to be the victims of violence than women. Not when they go on a date or when they are with their opposite sex partner, I think, which is what this question is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:45 PM
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I could like and “love” a friend who has a compatible personality, but I’m not going to commit resources towards a household and potentially a family with her unless we are sexually compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:41 PM
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I wish men understood that women are acting rationally based on the cost/benefits of sex just as much as men are. Our math leads to a different result than men's. The problem is that birth control and the subsequent proliferation of casual sex altered this equation. Many men see some men having a lot of sex with women that is not for the purpose of eventual reproduction. As a result, many men envy those men and want to be one those men, and blame women when they do not end up becoming one of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:39 PM
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I come on here daily telling men what they can do, but not many of them listen. Unfortunately, while there are some smart men, there are also some really dumb, whiny ones. You’re not going to get an argument from me defending the male gender. I’m just telling you how men think since I am one myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:26 PM
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If she has only had relationship sex before or no sex at all and she wants a lot of sex, then I would prefer that woman unless our personalities are not compatible. Women with “compatible personalities” who do not want a lot of sex would be called “friends”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:23 PM
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A man feels he is being treated better if he gets his sexual best from a woman. That is in the title. You can’t edit that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:21 PM
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I don’t know why men say a bunch of disturbing, distressful, and depressing stuff about their own gender and then expect women to grovel and pander to them in response. I don’t expect that. Both men and women know that there are other options out there if the person whom they are with doesn’t meet their expectations. To many men, some of those options might be younger women if said women happened to be attracted to them in some way. For women, it might be a man who is more responsible, more ambi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:20 PM
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Many men will view it that way, though. How someone is being treated is a subjective judgment. And to men, sex is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:16 PM
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Sex isn't a restaurant. It is to many men, apparently. If formerly promiscuous women who treated other men in the past better don’t like that then they can either date other women or stay single, the way I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:15 PM
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I wouldn’t date someone who wanted to either have sex so little or who was promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:13 PM
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Again. This is diabolical. You basically describe men as only loyal because they don’t have the option to cheat. Biology isn’t moral. Women often are not loyal either if a man is disappointing them in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:32 PM
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I quoted right from your post, I believe, although you seem to have edited it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:30 PM
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If someone sees that someone is being treated better, of course they will be upset even if that service is still better than a fast-food restaurant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:30 PM
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Women are nowhere near as indiscriminate in our sexual behavior as men. Yet men want women to act like men with regard to sex, and it’s completely delusional. Men expect it because women are (supposedly) giving that kind of sexual attention to certain men, and they therefore get upset when the average to below average women in their league are giving it to much more relatively attractive men. TRP is supposed to be a “hack” to help these average to below average men and to stop their whining. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:27 PM
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If it’s in your post then it is part of the debate. I’m telling you why men are offended when they are not treated as the “best”. It is because, like at a restaurant, one does not want to see some customers get treated better than oneself when one is “paying” the same amount of money to dine there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:01 PM
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The single dads that I know usually ended up with single moms. As there are many of those, I would say that they are still fairly desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:58 PM
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Women don’t tell men to cold approach. They tell men to get involved in social groups. Most women don’t want strange men cold approaching them, often even at times when it might be expected such as at a bar or club.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:11 PM
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The obvious outcome of this is that most men are going to perceive themselves as failing, which is bad for their self esteem This usually doesn’t happen if a man finds a woman or multiple women to have sex with, hence why men try desperately to attract women when masturbation serves just as well at relieving sexual urges, which is something that single women are often aware of when it comes to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:09 PM
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I’m not sure what this has to do with my point. My point is that men are attracted to many women, and they are often still attracted to their wives even after they no longer look optimal. Many men do not have the option to “trade up” even if they wanted to, as, yes, men age too, and younger women often do not prefer older men, especially when those younger women are capable of supporting themselves financially, as possible financial support is the main advantage of getting involved with an older…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:05 PM
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It should be about the experience with her. Yes, and being treated as well as or preferably better than her other partners is part of that experience. The service that one receives at a restaurant is part of the whole restaurant eating experience. Why wouldn’t the same be true for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:02 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:05 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:02 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:01 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:01 AM
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Removed. You are not really making an argument here, but rather just relating your personal experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:00 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:58 PM
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The ones who go to the developing countries are probably buying something for these young men. I don’t have any evidence since I’ve only heard anecdotes, but I’m not sure why a hot and young but poor man is just going to have sex with an old woman for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:40 PM
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There are male host clubs in places like Japan where women pay for men to be gentlemen towards them. There are also older women who go to developing countries to have sex with young men. Not every woman can get the man or type of man whom she desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:35 PM
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Hence, it makes sense they get upset when the first few dates dont result in sex. They were led to believe women would be eager to fuck strangers. Most men know guys who have casual sex, and many women readily admit to having it, even if they later say that that phase of their life resulted in disappointment with how men treated them. It makes sense that women want their “sexual best” from a woman (having sex as soon as possible), even she has had sex quickly with other men, because men do value…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:27 PM
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They are compatible, though, because they are not as picky as women. Men will still get horny and erect for their flabby wives with stretch marks when younger women are not as option, and even sometimes when they are. Hence, the number of men who have fathered many children with one woman, especially in more traditional or poorer cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:19 PM
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I suppose. I think that the issue is that men, at least until fairly recently, are not given negative messages about how not to act towards women. They are told to be “nice”, but they are not told to not be shy and wishy-washy with that niceness. So instead , they become the “nice guy” that gets friendzoned and eventually becomes bitter towards women. Women’s positive messages towards men are for the men who already attract them. They are telling the good-looking, confident guy with interesting …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:28 PM
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I don’t. It’s why I had better success attracting women from poorer countries. Sexual hypergamy is real. Men have to be more to attract western women, but I don’t actually “fault” western women for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:20 PM
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I don’t fully agree with this. I do think that there is a kind of “social intelligence” that lower IQ men develop in lieu of academic intelligence. Men who are “boors” rarely attract women regardless of their intelligence. I think that what one finds instead is that these lower intelligence men have a kind of “charm” that higher intelligence men just don’t develop, whether it’s because of background or because of being some degree on the autism spectrum, which is what aids in terms of much of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:18 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:47 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:27 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:27 PM
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a man is celebrated when he is assertive and headstrong, and woman are called cunty and bitchy when they are assertive and headstrong. But it makes sense for men to be upset when they don’t like the standard that they are being held to. I was attacked here by some more bluish women previously when I said that I’m not attracted to most western women because they act too masculine, even though I’m in full support of women’s rights, freedoms and education. Nobody likes to be “discriminated” against…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 01:06 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:42 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:39 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:36 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:24 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:15 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:47 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:47 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:44 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:44 PM
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Yes, you are not being giving a black mark that may get you eventually banned here. You are just not allowed to discuss the black pill or incels, because posts about the black pill or incels attract those users to this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:32 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:31 PM
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Governments already screen overseas relationships to ensure that they are legit through an interview process (at least the American government does) before offering a visa. So most of your arguments do not even apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:30 PM
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Be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:25 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:24 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:07 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:04 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:01 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:01 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:45 PM
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I think that the biggest problem with views attacking passport bro-ing is that tbese views infantilize the decisions of foreign people, mostly women, and treats them like they are stupid and incapable of making their own decisions. It is western colonialism all over again. These women are capable of identifying poor value men in their own country just as well as western women can. What makes westerners think that they cannot recognize poor quality western men, as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:01 PM
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I generally agree with this. The toxic, confident guy has enough confidence that he will generally meet someone who does not care enough about his toxicity after going on several dates and the ones smart enough to screen him properly or who have standards reject him. It is awkward, unconfident men who do not necessarily have toxic views about women who have the most problems. Unfortunately, these days these men are steered online due to their lack of success and become both toxic and awkward due…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:25 PM
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I'll give you this, you haven't [so far], tried to cut out my tongue. You will be temporarily banned if you rack up enough warnings, but we rarely permanently ban unless the user is an obvious troll, a ban evader, or a frequent poster/promoter of black pill/incel ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:22 PM
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It is an easy way to get information, and one can click on verification links that are included in the information. These are the same kinds of complaints that people had about Wikipedia when it started out ("anyone can edit it, how can I trust the information?"), so I do not take arguments like this very seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:18 PM
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It is not like I was ruling out western women. I still like them, I just think that it is tougher to date them because they are more demanding than overseas women from poorer countries. My opinions on women are very nuanced, as I believe in evolutionary psychological concepts and that gender essentialism plays a part in heterosexual attraction, but not so much like TRP that I will generalize all women and dislike them because of it. I actually like most women a lot, and I actually prefer the com…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:16 PM
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i agree that passport bro'ing as written is just escorting, but a lot of these men do end up in relationships with these women. A lot of them are fairly high quality women and often have more traditional outlooks than western women, so the complaints that they have about western women do not come into play as much. Sure, there are a few scammers, but women from some of these countries often prefer western men to the men from their own country, so they do not end up just using these men for money…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:14 PM
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We all try to be neutral. I am just saying that we purposely try to have moderators with a variety of viewpoints so that we can call each other out in cases of potential "moderator abuse", and it is why we also suggest that challenges to moderating decisions should be made in Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:14 AM
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Do you have a link for that? I read the opposite when I ask AI. And even if some of them end in divorce, they certainly all do not end that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:11 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:09 AM
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Those men are delusional. On the other hand, there are plenty of age appropriate couples who meet by means of overseas romance, and I would venture to say that many of these couples actually do care for and love each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:02 AM
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The "moderation" here is too myopic and partisan, it doesn't reinforce trust and safety, it amplifies abuse and bad faith argumentation. You are free to start your own sub that is better and fairer than this one, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:00 AM
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You think that every moderator here is the same person?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:59 AM
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American women are not divorcing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:58 AM
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I do not think that one can generalize and say that all men who seek overseas romance are abusive. In the end, these women (and sometimes men) are making choices much like they would choose a partner in their own country. We cannot be treating grown adults like they are children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:58 AM
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Huh what? Having consensual sex with a woman feels much better than using one's hand. I'm always surprised about what I have to explain on this sub sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:53 AM
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I constantly see these younger women developing deep resentment because they aren't truly attracted to the guy. They treat him like crap and use him strictly for his money and status. Is it really worth it? Isn't it better to live in a dignified solitude? Nope. Sex is more enjoyable than solitude. Why do you think men use prostitutes? It is not the same for women because they can always find a man willing to have sex with them, and because there is more of an orgasm gap between men and women, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:51 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:32 AM
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We have multiple moderators here with different viewpoints here to check the influence of other moderators, much like the US Supreme Court does. If you think that every moderator here is abusive, though, then I don’t know what to tell you. This might not be the community for you, then, as we seem to have no problems attracting otherwise users to this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:53 PM
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I don’t warn anyone unless the “circlejerking” is obnoxious in some way, or if it goes on between two users for multiple replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:49 PM
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Because women have higher standards regarding what “attraction” means to them in regards to sex that men do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 PM
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i'm not talking about marriage fraud. i'm talking about women using marriage as a tool to improve their standard of living. That would be a fraudulent marriage if it eventually ended quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:46 PM
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I suppose, although a lot of cultures don’t have sex before marriage, so this is not always an appropriate question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:44 PM
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No. I’m explaining Red Pill philosophy. And yes, Red Pill does explain a lot of complicated evolutionary psychological concepts with simplified made-up words.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:43 PM
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That doesn't mean they love you genuinely, just because they stay. Having regular sex beats not having it. It is why men often make the decision. “Love” is somewhat irrelevant. Do you think the 50 year old guy cares whether the hot 20 year old woman “loves” him?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:42 PM
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If you’re having enthusiastic sex that is what matters. Most men know when they are having enthusiastic sex and when they are not. Furthermore, having any consensual sex at all is better than not having it. Any man who gets married to a woman before having a sexual relationship with is an idiot, whether that man married a foreigner or a woman in her own country. So if a man can go overseas and find a woman willing to have sex with him, whether she “loves” him or not, it beats being sexless and a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:40 PM
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Why do you think that only abusive men are the ones marrying foreigners and that all non-abusive men are perfectly satisfied with women in their own country?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:37 PM
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I don’t think that that’s true. Most American women are doing the divorcing, not more traditional women. It makes logical sense for less traditional women to divorce more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:36 PM
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I used my passport to meet a foreign woman because I was dissatisfied with dating western ones. I’m not sure what other criteria there are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:34 PM
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Yes, the idea is that men believe women do not pair bond, not that they do. Hence, the expression “she’s not yours, it’s just your turn”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:33 PM
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Once again, you can challenge any warnings in Mod Mail. This gives other moderators the chance to disagree with me and to agree with you, as moderators can read all conversations in Mod Mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:31 PM
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They’re upset that women don’t need men as much as men need women. This used to be the case in the past when men oppressed women, but not so much now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:30 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:44 PM
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This is just one woman. She was probably more compatible with the bad boy. Some, but not all, women are. If he is as much of a catch as you say he is, he should just move on and he will find someone more compatible with him soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:41 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:22 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:07 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:04 PM
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Don't make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:31 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:26 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:24 AM
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I don't disagree with any of your points about women, but I'm not sure that manosphere men talk about women and pair bonding as much as you think. From what I have read, men seem to say that women like men for what they do rather than who they are, and TRP always talks about how important it is for a man to maintain frame and not to lose respect from a woman. To me, these beliefs would seem to de-emphasize a belief in a pair bond rather than support men believing that women develop one, as a "bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:22 AM
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Most of the men married to women from overseas are not getting divorced. One is more likely to be divorced from an American woman than a foreign one. Men who think otherwise should just keep dating and marrying western women in their own country and experience for themselves how that works out for them in terms of loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:54 PM
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People who are angry at the opposite gender in general as one gender would probably be angry at the opposite gender in general if they were the other gender too. I think that the people who are angry know who they are, but are likely delusional of they somehow think that they wouldn’t be angry at women if they were men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:39 PM
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So women date up because there are qualities they admire? That's not definition of hypergamy. You are confusing hypergamy with attraction No. That is always what sexual hypergamy has meant to TRP. They are telling men that women will not be automatically attracted to you just because you exist, like men are with most women, or because you are “nice” to them, which is not a hypergamous quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:37 PM
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That rarely happens. An American man is probably more likely to be divorced by an American woman than one from a foreign country with a traditional outlook on marriage, or where it is even illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:34 PM
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You replied to my comment that I made towards another user. I was just pointing out how your comment changed nothing that I originally said to that other user.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:33 PM
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I still don’t think that it’s actually happening. And if you are in immigration law, you should know how legally challengeable these memos and others are. I sincerely doubt that if anything is ever implemented that it is going to impact the K-1 visa program. Once again, if you are in immigration law, you should know how this visa program is already screened for fraud. A lot of these women marry their conservative husbands and vote conservative with them when they eventually become citizens, so i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:31 PM
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There is already a screening mechanism, and any marriage that does not last at least two years is likely to get the immigrating spouse sent back to his or her own country due to suspected fraud. I’m pretty sure that marriage fraud is quite rare based upon everything I’ve read, and many conservative men (I’m not one of them) are the ones desiring to marry “traditional” women from foreign countries in the first place who are eager to adopt American values. There really is no reason to limit spousa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:26 PM
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Sure. I did not go overseas to be a sex tourist or even to hunt for a wife. I met my wife organically online in an international chatroom a long time ago when chatrooms were more popular. I just call myself a passport bro just to point out to people that it is not always a bad thing if one is committed to treating the women well, and likely if one is committed to meeting age-appropriate women, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:17 PM
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How so? The appeal of overseas women is often that they have more traditional outlooks than western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 12:13 PM
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Women not being hypergamous just was not my own experience. Every woman who has been sexually attracted to me (not many that I’m aware of) was sexually attracted to me because I had some quality that they admired. Despite what some women say, women were never attracted to me just because I was “there” and they were horny, like how men are often attracted to women, or because they wanted to increase their number of sexual partners and I was potentially one of them, as men also think about women. …
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:32 PM
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Are you under the impression that the king baby ruling by executive order gives a shit whether or not they have the authority to do this? It would be challenged in court just like everything else he has tried. But I do not get the impression from what I have read that the administration as a whole wants to get rid of fiancée marriages (although certain individuals in the administration might). They are more concerned with things like students or workers overstaying visas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:11 PM
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Another user basically did.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:08 PM
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Because they can’t always do it. Do you think poor Vietnamese women could immigrate to the USA in some other way to be with their male partners after that war? Yes, you can argue that we can make exceptions for veterans, or people from prosperous countries, or whatever. But there already is a vetting process for these interviews. The foreigners are already being interviewed and being required to provide evidence of a genuine relationship before receiving a visa. The people upset about passport b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:07 PM
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The K-1/K-2 visa programs were originally founded to reward service people (mostly men) who met their future spouses overseas. Yet another proposed way to further cement disrespect towards veterans, I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:57 PM
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A guy can get dates with better looking women overseas, though. A western guy who can only attract a 4 in his own country can probably attract a 6 overseas. Should he just be content with the 4 if he knows that he can attract a 6? And before you chastise me for being looks-focused, note that women will openly state that looks are important too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:54 PM
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I’m sure the Americans falling in love with Canadians will love that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:42 PM
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That doesn’t make Vance a passport bro, then. His wife is an American with an American accent and an American education.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:41 PM
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From what I’ve read (and personally experienced a long time ago), adjustment of status is part of the K-1 visa process. If an immigrant fiancée does not adjust her status after marrying, she must leave the country anyway as the visa will then expire. It makes no sense to make a spouse go back to her own country to adjust status after marriage for a visa program that already required it. The administration is targeting people here on other visas, not ones who are expected to become family members…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:37 PM
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I’m pretty sure that JD Vance’s wife was born in the USA, which just makes your comment racist instead of funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:10 PM
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I personally believe that people can simultaneously respect people and also see “good treatment” from those people as a reward. I do not have such a black and white view. I think that the way that manosphere men see women is sub-optimal for a long-term, respectful, loving relationship. However, it is relevant to how many women tend to reward men for casual sex, which is why men pursue the strategies. Naturally, when they see women actually want to be treated differently in a respectful long-term…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:09 PM
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They’re an easy scapegoat, because most men want to be like the men above them. Furthermore, western countries have a distinct historical dislike of Marxist thought due to the history of world Marxism, and attacking the wealthy is only now starting to come back into vogue among some young men, although many men have gone the other direction and become more right-wing and reactionary, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:58 PM
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One can actually see the actual historical marriage rates. I’m pretty sure they were much higher in the past than they are now. Being a military veteran actually helped establish a man enough to find a spouse, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:53 PM
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I’m guessing that in a lot of cases the women find the men around there are to be just as attractive as the poor men their own are in their own country. When there is a large age gap, I’ll agree that it is likely transactional. There was a study posted in the science subreddit recently about how women in poorer countries are more likely to see career and social status as positive qualities in men than women from western countries. Just the fact that these men have the economic drive to have a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:51 PM
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Some men are successful, though, and men strive to emulate the men whom they see are successful. When they see attractive, confident men being successful with women despite these men’s attitudes towards women, men seek to emulate these men. This is why I always say that, for things to change, women need to stop having casual sex, as women tend to disproportionately award attractive, confident, but eventually poorly behaving men when they do choose to have it. Casual sex is not “feminine empowerm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:44 PM
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Because unlike Red Pillers, I like women. And I prefer foreign women, including my wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:41 PM
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It’s not happening. They are biting the hand that feeds them if they do this. Do they think that liberal men are the ones going overseas?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:38 PM
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In a lot of cases where the woman ends up getting married to a foreigner she ends up with a better life than she would if she had married a poor local. Furthermore, this kind of thing brings in remittance wealth to a poorer country. This is why men going overseas to meet women is not always a bad thing, and why it is not likely to ever be banned soon, at least by the poorer countries. I doubt it will be banned by wealthier countries, either. Quite a few conservative men or military men meet thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:30 PM
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They aren’t ending it. Quite a few conservative men find foreign spouses.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:29 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:38 PM
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Most very attractive men like being very attractive because it gives them either an opportunity to cheat with other women, or at least attention from other women, which is validating to them rather than threatening. Men are not women. They do not find the other sex to be threatening, and they value a variety of at least potential sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:50 AM
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since abuse and manipulation from someone with far more life experience and at a complete different stage of life happens far more often than not. I’m not sure how a 30 year old man can manipulate an 18-year old woman more than an 18-year old man can manipulate an 18-year old woman. I knew plenty of manipulative men back when I was 18. In fact, men were more manipulative back then because they were less mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:59 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:47 PM
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It’s no different than a good looking man or woman relying upon his or her looks to “prey” upon others. From an ethical standpoint, if both people’s lives are made better, then I don’t see how it is a bad thing. Living in poverty is soul crushing, and many “low value” western men are still good enough for these women, and likely better than the poor, traditionally-minded men in their own countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:12 PM
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Dads from the previous generation are the ones who have antiquated views and have no incentive to teach their sons domestic values that they do not even have. Many fathers are even absent from their sons lives. Mothers not taking responsibility for molding their sons into better people means that the next generation of men will be just like the previous one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:08 PM
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I would argue that most men see sex like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:04 PM
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Men behaving like toddlers and threatening women isn’t going to make them less lonely. That happened last election, and all that happened is men are now unemployed and can’t afford gas or groceries and women want them even less. They made women miserable too, and misery likes company. Of course, I think that unsuccessful men like money more than making women miserable, so they might vote differently in the next election, but the type of men willing to vote for reactionary conservatives just to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:04 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:00 PM
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If part of one’s enjoyment of sex is being able to make the other person orgasm, then that is not an issue. I suppose some people just see sex as some form of enhanced masturbation, though, so I see your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:59 PM
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I believe that arguing with people is good exercise for one’s brain as it ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 04:57 PM
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Nothing systematic. I’ve encountered some misandrists before, but I have not been disadvantaged by anything systematic like women in some industries might still experience from men, and I have never felt like my safety was in jeopardy because of a woman, although I have met a couple of “creepy” women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:13 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:09 AM
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It’s possible to see a woman as a person and also to value sex as a reward simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:32 PM
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It why many below average men go to impoverished countries to prey on poor women instead of competing at home. How is it preying on these women if they are giving these women better lives than they are having back home? You said yourself that the only reason that these men aren’t attracting western women is because they do not have enough value to attract them. Maybe they do have enough value to attract an impoverished woman, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:31 PM
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And I am telling you that this is how men view sex she how they always will view sex, at least until realistic sexbots or virtual sex exist. Anyone who does not understand this does not understand men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:28 PM
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Who else is supposed to teach them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:21 PM
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A bad encounter or relationship with a woman is not as bothersome for a man as a bad encounter or relationship with a man is for a woman.
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:46 PM
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One can understand what women are (supposedly) attracted to and try to emulate those traits, though, which is what TRP is trying to do. It is not like TRP is telling men "try to argue logically with women and convince them why they should be attracted to you". These men do not think that women are logical to begin with, which is why they call them things like "the oldest teenagers".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:43 PM
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Many do, but many cannot adjust and do become radicalized instead. The world now is a lot different than the world in the past when men were basically guaranteed meeting and marrying wives just by existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:41 PM
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I call men solipsistic too because they assume that women are going to be exactly like them. It is obviously not against sub rules to make generalizations about the opposite sex, and I do not even think that all women are clueless about men like this. More men are probably clueless about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:38 PM
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We're not a prize to be won That is not the male perspective, though, as men enjoy sex a lot and it is not an easy thing for many of them to have like it is for women.
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:33 PM
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How young men are raised by the previous generation is not really preparing them for life with contemporary women. I have had this argument with other women on this sub before, and I do think that this is the case, and that men are not really taught by their parents to by default do domestic duties when they should. Whether women are more biologically inclined to want to do it, or whether they are more likely to want to do it because they are socialized like that is debatable, but there is a dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:33 PM
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I agree that the men who do not want to wear condoms but then advocate for financial abortions are pretty dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:28 PM
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Women are surprised because they solipsistically believe that men will behave exactly like childless women and that these men will be fine with their same sex friend networks and with spending their money on travel and buying new clothes. As a non Red-Pill man, I am not surprised that men are being radicalized at all.
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:07 AM
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If a man has had sex with his traditional wife who has never had a job of her own, does that make him a virgin because he has always been a provider for her, even though he might have multiple children with that woman?
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:23 AM
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Men are bellowing at women that women trap men into fatherhood. Yes, as I said, men do not want children when they are not ready to settle down. That is not the same as never wanting children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:24 PM
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Until they are developed enough that their women don’t want children either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:22 PM
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I think that many men don’t want children at the wrong time while they are still young and with the wrong woman, rather than never wanting children at all like many young western women profess.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:17 PM
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If a man has enough value, then he is that someone to some woman out there. There isn’t anyone else. Men who are not that man to any woman are just low value men. But that is my no means all men out there, and likely not even the average man, as most men report being able to have sex with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:04 PM
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Nah they should join something outdoor to talk to other people in real life. Talking to women just gets a guy female friends unless he actually knows what attracts women and how to attract them, though. So I do think that OP has a good point, although I think that a man needs to know how to attract women and how to talk to them like normal people, which just reading romance novels won’t provide the practical experience for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:58 PM
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Women aren’t any better at knowing which women are high quality and which one aren’t than men, and they might actually be worse. They criticize the conservative women that many conservative men are happy with, for instance. They automatically think that every woman from a developing country is some gullible, easily manipulated woman when some are master manipulators themselves. Women might actually be more prejudiced than men when it comes to women who do not tow their particular approach on lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:19 PM
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Nope. I have no problem enjoying the advantages of being born a man. I don’t think that I would enjoy the physical pain and the consistent harassment involved when one is born a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:01 PM
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Whether men want to admit it or not, we all have women who are interested in us but whom we consider undesirable. We won’t offer them anything more than sex. No, some men are so undesirable that they have nothing to offer women except money. And even then, some of these men don’t even have that. This is a minority of men, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:28 PM
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So would you kill your own child if he or she asked for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:53 PM
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Modern men still do those things, though. Men may be more enlightened than in the past, but many are still harming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:43 PM
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I do nice things for friends, if I wouldn't even want to do nice things for a spouse, why on earth would I be with them? Sex? Men really like sex a lot, and it is much more difficult for them to find it than it is for women to find it from men. Hence, why prostitution exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:42 PM
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And men explain that this is deeply, horribly cruel and they don’t want “duty sex”, they want “real genuine visceral attraction” and they want her to fuck him instantly on the first date on the bathroom floor of the club, and they want to be the very best man she’s ever seen. Sure, this is what men ideally want. But most are happy as long as they are having sex. Men just work differently than women. They would ideally like to “collect” women whom they are equally attracted to. The behavior of th…
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It looks stingy when a man does not want to pay to most women, though, especially when there are other men out there who are willing to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:32 PM
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Like they've no understanding of how human interactions work. A lot of men know how to interact with other men just fine. Interacting with women in a way that attracts them is a different kind of challenge, though, and essentially a “puzzle” to many men who do not know how hypergamy works. Just being a woman’s friend and her “equal” will probably not attract a woman. Women are not attracted to their male friends all the time.
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:13 AM
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Many women still report a lot of bad behavior from contemporary men. Perhaps the problems were worse in the past. But it’s not like modern men today are blameless for at minimum bothering women, at most assaulting and killing women (a minority of men, of course), and in general getting in the way of women’s progress. Of course, some men are more guilty than others, but I don’t blame women for continuing to bring up issues that are still obvious issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:47 PM
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The dead bedrooms thing you describe is not typical. There are many more comments about mismatched libido across Reddit where the man wants more sex than the woman does. As for the women cheating, you make a better point there. However, dual mating strategy does not apply to men, because men cannot have sex with more sexually attractive women than them without paying for it. Yes, you are right that some women cheat because their partners are not “alpha” enough, but I do not believe that, in this…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:11 PM
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I mean how attracted does “attracted” need to be? Men will still do nice things for their wives and girlfriends and have sex with them even if they are more attracted to other women who they can’t attract. As for the “settling” thing, men are bothered by that because women can have sex with men who are more attractive than they are. Women only have to worry about this if men pay with money, which is understandably why most women are against things like prostitution and men going overseas to find…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:05 PM
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Every woman whose post I read on Reddit will gush about how wonderful her husband or boyfriend is, until he is no longer “wonderful” and she completely loses all attraction. Men are not the same way. They can be “kind of” attracted to their wives and still enjoy sex with them while lusting over more attractive women too. If OP wants to know if a man will always be most attracted to his spouse, then that might be a no. But he’s likely not going to lose all attraction and completely ignore her or …
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Even “doctor” still has status. It is just for “marriage sex” rather than casual sex, though. Anything that a woman might boast about to her friends about a particular guy qualifies as status. It’s just that women are not going to boast to their friends about having casual sex with a doctor like they will about having casual sex with some famous celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:31 AM
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Men want lots of women, from the hot celebrities to the average ones whom they can actually marry. Women and their focus on “binary attraction” (a person is either totally obsessed over or completely unattractive) just never seem to understand how “analog” male sexual attraction works. Average men are very much sexually attracted to their average wives, and also sexually attracted to the women who are much more attractive than those wives.
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:55 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:08 PM
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Giving any small group of people too much power is a failure, whether it is government oligarchs or corporate oligarchs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:05 PM
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Yeah they can. More powerful men oppress lesser men all the time. Furthermore, many male norms are fairly toxic and do not have much positive impact to many men’s mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:04 PM
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You can try posting it as a Debate post, but then you have to be willing to have your view challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:02 PM
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Even young men are sexually attracted to older women. Isn’t MILFs a popular thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:57 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:48 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:47 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:44 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:43 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:39 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:34 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:33 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:30 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:27 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:23 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:22 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:20 AM
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Yes, that will get removed. Discussion of the blackpill is not allowed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:19 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:17 AM
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Most women want comments from female friends and acquaintances and men whom they are attracted to. Most women do not need comments from either a plethora of NPC men out there. I don’t think validation from social media is why some men are having trouble dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:58 PM
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I never did. I thought this one older woman in her early 30s was attractive once back when I was in my 20s, but I wouldn’t say that I had a crush on her. She took good care of herself and still looked like she was in her 20s, so I think that is what is key for older women hoping to seriously attract younger men for more than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:47 PM
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Patriarchy helps the men who are at the top and damages the majority of the men near the bottom. Men near the bottom defend it because they either hope that they get near the top, they mistakenly think that they are already near the top, or they enjoy the relatively small amount of power that patriarchy actually gives them in their lives. These are the same reasons why many poor people, both men and women, defend capitalism, even though they suffer compared to the wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:45 PM
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I suppose because I’m the one suggesting the coffee shop or whatever inexpensive first date I end up planning. If a woman insists on a dinner date as the first date, then we would need to split that, or else there is not a first date. On the other hand, if I offer to pay for an inexpensive first date, it is at least proof that I am capable of being generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:20 PM
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It’s thriving due to women not settling down to monogamous married lifestyles while they are young, plain and simple. Men still want sex just as much as they did before, but women do not want domesticity just as much as before. I’m not blaming women here. It makes sense for them to want more education, financial security, and power. But men have failed to adjust, and digital spaces have filled the void that in-person male social activities used to fill for young married men trying to get away fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:11 PM
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Men care because, when they choose not to pay, it puts them at a disadvantage to the men who are willing to pay. But when they do choose to pay, there is a chance that nothing will come of it, or that they are being used for a meal. It is also seemingly at odds with the rhetoric of equality that women like to profess. If most women are willing to pay for dates these days, then that’s great. I personally have paid, but I would not want expensive first dates, nor would I want intimacy on a first d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:35 AM
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I really think that this is an over-generalization. Plenty of men are pro-choice, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:33 AM
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Yeah, it is generalization, but it addresses the main general complaints that each gender has about the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:31 AM
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I don’t have any empathy for men who are not related to me. I don’t expect women to have it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:03 AM
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I don’t know. It’s like going to a gourmet restaurant because there is one particular dish that one really loves, compared to wanting to go to a buffet and trying all kinds of different foods because one just enjoys so many different kinds of foods. They are both intense cravings and loves of food, but they are just different in nature. Women need to understand that men like variety when it comes to women, and men need to understand that women get very excited about certain high quality men that…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:33 PM
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It’s more likely that many women want good looking, confident men and hope that they do not end up abusive. The women who actually like openly dangerous men are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:03 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:59 PM
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Women are not in a “hostage situation”. Plenty of men actually care for their girlfriends or wives. Single women often have the protection of male family members, as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:55 PM
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Not all men, but enough that this is why laws were created - not so much because men care so much about women universally, but because men do not want their wives, sisters, and daughters to be raped by random men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:53 PM
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I don’t fully agree. If those three men had some kind of obvious issues, then that majority of paired up men would not have an issue with those men staying single. Furthermore, men are naturally polygynous. A man who has no special liking for any of those single men would just want to monopolize extra women for himself rather than suggest that men whom they don’t really care for “deserve” women. Most arguments for monogamy were about social stability rather than men caring about other men. Simil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 02:38 PM
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And third world people get to be compared to animals. Sure. I do not agree that poorer people are any more like animals than richer people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:44 PM
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I’m not sure if it is more gender-essentialist than it is that people try to enjoy the opportunities that they have in life. I would not be surprised if the richer women in poorer countries want fewer children, or want none of them at all, compared to the poorer women in those countries. People in many countries that have money now wanted more children when those countries were much poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:38 PM
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Humans consider themselves superior to animals because animals aren't sentient. The whole fields of evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology are studying humans as animals. These are academic fields with both male and female academics involved in them. While I think that it’s wrong to compare only western women to animals, there are a significant number of people who do think that humans, too, are subject to the same kind of animal-like behaviors that other Ai Sox are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:32 PM
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go on Grindr and they would be the object of lust like he desires. Gay men could make them him so desirable. Just forget that it's a man texting you. One could get the same thing talking to an actual woman who is from a poor country - just forget that there is a chance that she just wants your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:59 PM
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There are some African cultures that circumcise at puberty. Filipino culture does too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:56 PM
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They succeed by eventually having a girlfriend. Sexual surveys usually show that the average 50th percentile young man is having sex, and it is especially more likely as that man gets older. The worst it usually gets is 30% of young not having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:53 PM
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I never said they "completely hated all men," this is a bad-faith engagement of my comment. I don't think that it is. You are making it sound like women are not even attracted to men and were only marrying them before due to a lack of say in the matter, which is approaching a "comphet argument". My own position is that more men are doing things that make them less attractive, including talking badly about women in online spaces that women can read or hear about. There are factors fueling this mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:51 PM
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Most of the men I know are pretty good, but I don't have a lifestyle where I might hang out with guys who are not good. I would say that 50% of men are decent enough that I would classify them as "good". Many men have some flaws that don't make them perfect partners, much like many women do, but they are still decent guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:44 PM
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I don't know. I think that enough guys would enjoy jerking off and ejaculating on a woman that I don't really think that it's an issue if a woman cannot give a man an orgasm like what many women complain about with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:53 AM
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Men have been loudly and publicly bitching about how awful women are for millennia. Religion is one of the most obvious instances of this. Women have long known how shitty a lot of men think we are. So why did so many women want to get married before, but now many no longer do? Do you really think that the only reason this was the case in the past was just because women needed men's money but otherwise completely hated all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:47 AM
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Women are pickier than men. The average man does not “fail” compared to the average woman. He just has a tougher time getting to the dating phase. This is because: a) men’s dating and sexual success is much more skewed than women’s (above average men do much better than average women sexually, while above average women often do only somewhat better than average women romantically, and actually have fewer sexual partners than average women. And, b) There are more bisexual women than bisexual men,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:27 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:37 PM
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Fixing things around the house and doing outdoor work are also “chores”. Men who do these things are more attractive to women, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:35 PM
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Any man is going to be available at some point, even if he is dating another woman already at the time. Women are hoping to be enticing enough for those good men when they do start looking for someone again, and then locking him down (somehow). So it’s not like no woman ever has a chance with even the best men. Of course, women do realize that it is difficult to lock down the best men, which is why some classic romance media are about average women who lock down attractive men who are albeit fla…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:30 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:34 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:18 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:14 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:09 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:08 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:02 AM
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Isn’t it still celebrated in some cultures with male circumcision? Manosphere men don’t seem to like that particular celebration, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:32 PM
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I think that the main reason is to try to convince women to take a chance with less sexually attractive men (like them) rather than more sexually attractive “bad boys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:47 PM
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I think that most people do want to find someone compatible, so there is not a desire to always be an actor. I do think that many people often do “act” because they want to be with someone and to not be lonely, but I don’t think that anyone really wants to be an actor forever, and this is why a lot of relationships end quickly. Once people find a compatible person, then the dating world for those people is no longer “acting”. Truly compatible people can be difficult to find, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:07 PM
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That’s arguable because heterosexual men are not attracted to male bodies, male genitalia, and typical male personalities (whether these personalities are created due to biology or due to socialization.). Heterosexual and bisexual women, on the other hand, are already attracted to male bodies, genitalia, and personalities. They just are not attracted to those of many men for some reasons that a lot of men cannot understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:47 PM
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Not to men it is not. Being able to experience sex and physical contact is something that femcels can still experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:40 PM
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Men just want sexual partners. They see the “woman next door” exposing herself to other men as a threat to that. I don’t see it as “terrible”, even if the position is basically an attempt to limit women’s sexual freedom. I’ve explained on this sub several times that men do not have an issue with a small number of women being sexual objects. The threat of OnlyFans is that even their potential future wife is choosing to openly express her sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:39 PM
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Relationships aren’t really subject to equality though Yes, that argument can be made. But it is tough for men to accept because we base so many other principles in life on equality. Monogamy of “attractiveness matches” is also arguably ideal for social stability. Angry men are likely more of a threat than angry women. Instead, the reason that a degree of feminism is widely accepted by elites now is because women are now just as valuable to an information-based economy and one focused on lighter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:29 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:16 PM
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I would say that women are more likely to be able to effectively deal with loneliness than men so that it does not negatively affect their psyche, but I would not say that they are not able to feel lonely. Also, besides that they are more likely to have female friends and to still be close to family than men, one needs to keep in mind how many women are taking antidepressants to deal with the emotions of things like not finding an adequate romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:15 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:54 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:49 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:46 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:43 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:42 AM
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Men obviously care because instead of the principle of equality (the 50th percentile woman dates the 50th percentile man because that’s how monogamy works), the principle of biological sexual hypergamy is being exercised instead. Average women can have casual sex or be in soft harems with better men if they really want sexual intimacy, while average men are stuck masturbating alone unless they work really hard to improve themselves. It hardly seems better for men. An argument can be made that av…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:40 PM
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“Femcels” is what they are often called, because they can have sex, but they struggle to find working relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:55 PM
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You need to either take it to Mod Mail and get another moderator to agree with you, or drop the argument here and not reply at your ad-hominem arguments. You are not going to get me to change my mind about the warning. One cannot make an argument in the manner that you did on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:54 PM
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I think it’s more because any woman whom they associate with can do it rather than that these women are self-employed. It’s not women’s empowerment that bothers them so much as it is the ease of women whom these men think that they could have a chance with instead exposing their bodies to a bunch of other men who aren’t them. Actual porn actresses are more like distant celebrities. And, as I said, they aren’t really respected much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:52 PM
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Generalizing men’s experiences dating always seemed pointless to me, because some men have no problem finding casual sex. Some men have no problem finding girlfriends, but struggle with casual sex. Some men find less attractive girlfriends with great effort. And some men cannot find anybody. These men all have vastly different experiences with women. Women likely have it worse than the first two categories of men, but worse than the last two categories. I do think that women’s experiences can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:41 PM
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I don't know. I don't care about their dating woes. Women are mostly complaining to other women that there aren't any good men out there. I don't think that they are complaining to the men so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:07 AM
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Because to men, theyre losing something of value if theyre not having casual sex. Studies, especially the OkCupid study comma has shown men care a lot about looks, and many studies shows they care more than woman, its just they’ll take a 4/10 if it means sex. Yes, that is the distinction that I am trying to point out here. Men complain because women are picky about sex. And even then, that 4/10 man will date that 4/10 woman long-term for sex, and maybe even start to like her personality, get "wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:05 AM
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The last sentence of your post is what is making things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:02 AM
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No, they do not want them to stop. They shame them to tell them that there only value is for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:00 AM
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You think that men respect porn stars who are not self-employed?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:58 AM
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Some women try it and they don't like it, and I don't think that that is an issue. People often have to try something once to realize that it is not for them. But yeah, I would go to a country where women do not routinely have casual sex before I would date a woman who had it at least somewhat regularly in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:57 AM
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It does not matter whether they will date these men or not. The question is about respect. The men probably would not respect these women if they were capable of dating them, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:55 AM
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A lot of them have female friend networks. There is usually a desire to have a long-term relationship, but women who are not capable of finding a man who can give that to them for whatever reason are often fine with just giving up on men when they are older.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:54 AM
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It depends upon the individual woman how much she is willing to put up with. Women usually do have high standards when they have an actual choice to stay with a man or not, but the height of those standards is not the same for each individual woman. And some women do end up with genuinely bad men. There are a lot of them out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:52 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:48 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:42 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:39 AM
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I do not have casual sex, but I am not sure why someone has to have sex with someone whom they respect. I do not think every woman who engages in casual sex does this either. Some just have sex with hot guys regardless of their personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:37 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:35 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:34 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:32 AM
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If an average man has had casual sex with one uggo and an average woman has had casual sex with several very attractive men, I don’t think that it’s going to make him feel any better or more secure when he settles down into an eventual long-term relationship with her. It’s much better for relationship security, stability, and trust if the basically attractiveness-matched people in long-term relationships have never had casual sex with anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:31 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:27 PM
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It’s not a contradiction if they don’t want relationships with those women, but they would have sex with those women. Sex and relationships are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:09 PM
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They would have supported feminism because it mostly means more money for a household. What some men may not have been supported is the sexual revolution, since some men do not benefit from it as much as others. But even then, the average man still has casual sex once in a while, and sex with his eventual girlfriend sooner, because of the sexual revolution, even if they might not have sex with as many different women as higher value men do. It’s only the lowest value men who do not benefit from …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:15 PM
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Don’t make things personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:02 PM
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The women who do hook up, even if they are average, tend to be picky too. Studies by David Buss have shown that women emphasize certain traits in short-term partnerships that they do not in long-term ones, traits that ostensibly not as many men have. Men do not show the same kind of trait preference. They will often take short-term sex with any woman as long as she is not repulsive. Hence, as I said, your view is only true in long-term relationships, and even then I think it is only true for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:00 PM
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Posts that generalize both men and women are allowed on this sub. TRP is arguably misogynist. If you don’t like posts that criticize men, then feel free to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:52 PM
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Due to economic inequalities, not due to technology. A small number of people hordeing resources is not an inevitability. A works with technology is still potentially a more beneficial one for humans than a primitive one with inevitable starvation and disease because of a lack of that technology. I mean, seriously, do you want to go back to a life without farms and modern medicine and vaccines to living in caves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:49 PM
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Post in the looks megathread and you might get replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:47 PM
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They are not as picky about sex is the point. Attractive men will have sex with very average women. But sure, they are often just as picky when it comes to a committed monogamous relationship, although not all men are as I think that there is more of a stigma for a man to be alone than there is for a woman to be, and men’s egos suffer more if they are not having regular sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:46 PM
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I think that it takes more willful agency to push for sex rather than to submit to it. I don’t think that it is infantilizing to a gender, either. A gay or bi person, whether male or female, can do exactly the same thing to someone of the same gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:43 PM
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most people unless they are literally and truly wired different would prefer a relationship and that's okay, just don't lie about it. I think that this is true when women are younger, but when they get older and are fed up with bad relationships, (whether the men were the cause of them or not), I really think that most of the these women are not larping a desire to be alone. They really are fed up with men, whether it’s because of actually having the bad luck of picking bad men, or because of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:40 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:02 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:49 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:45 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:44 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:38 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:37 AM
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They are individualistic.​ They think welfare state is free and infinite. They think resources are infinite. They think war and police are not necessary. They think being promiscuous has no consequences and men should never judge it. This paragraph addresses that somewhat. It seems like his problem is with the progressive mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:35 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:33 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:32 PM
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Okay, you cannot reply to my argument with a personal attack. I am going to have to give you a formal warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:42 PM
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Even if it is not a rant, you have not structured your Debate post as titled with an affirmative statement. Try again if you want to make an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:41 PM
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Saving humanity from suffering unnecessarily due to death by starvation and disease is arguably not a mistake. If one thinks that merely being alive is suffering itself, then I suppose that your argument might have merit, but I am not so gloomy.
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:59 AM
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Do you have sources for that besides this Dr. Grande person (who I am not sure is even part of the manosphere)? I don't like to "sea lion", but this sub is a pretty good representation of manosphere men, and I do not think that most of the men here are agreeing with what you are saying, so your post is not generating much good discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:56 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:53 AM
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I'm an older man and I do not believe that, although I could listen to an argument where someone tries to argue that men peak in their early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:52 AM
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Manosphere men are "fighting" the best they can (although whether there should be a culture war being fought in the first place is debatable). The problem is that the media are mostly liberal and on the side of women and feminism. Even conservative media like Fox News are somewhat careful of what they say because a lot of conservative women are even offended by some points that the manosphere tries to make, although taking away abortion rights is something that conservative women do not have a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:50 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:45 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:34 PM
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I do not think that it is a mystery that men do not trust many men. The father not trusting the young man dating his daughter is a classic trope. Men just get offended when a woman thinks that they themselves might be one of those dangerous men. Even the suggestion that women might choose a bear over them is enough to offend some men. Nobody wants to think that they might not be trusted and respected and treated with caution at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:21 PM
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I do not think that it is a mystery that men do not trust many men. The father not trusting the young man dating his daughter is a classic trope. Men just get offended when a woman thinks that they themselves might be one of those dangerous men. Even the suggestion that women might choose a bear over them is enough to offend some men. Nobody wants to think that they might not be trusted and respected and treated with caution at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:19 PM
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Things like “the man must make more money than me” and other expectations should’ve completely died out, but haven’t. Yes, some women are fine with getting hitched with a more down on his luck guy, but that’s an exception that proves the rule. I think that there are studies and data that show that many, although perhaps not a majority of, women are dating men who make equal or less money than them, so I think that things are changing. This is not the same as dating a man "down on his luck". He w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:57 PM
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Sure, and it is why now many men recognize that "hypergamy" is real. Many women deny hypergamy, but all it is is the idea that "a man must add something to a woman's life in order for him to be attractive to her". Most women will readily admit this, even if they hate words like "hypergamy" because they are thrown around like insults by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:52 PM
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I am not sure how you are disagreeing with me. That is my point. Since women are better off due to men not restricting their opportunities, men therefore have to impress women more in order to attract them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:50 PM
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Taking care of children is definitely work, and it is work that some men are not willing to do, maybe even a few women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:48 PM
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I think that a better analogy is that western women expect every meal out to be a gourmet meal. When they go to an average, local mom and pop restaurant, they are just not satisfied, even if they are not rich enough to afford to eat at a gourmet restaurant regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:44 PM
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No. I would not date someone who I wanted to emotionally hurt like that. On the other hand, I am not very tolerant of women's "pasts". I would rather just be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:42 PM
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There are Blue Pill men. Of course, I don’t have an issue with western men using their economic advantage to attract women who might need them more, such as the ones living in poorer countries. But I can understand if western women with the position that they are now in don’t want to put up with men who no longer impress them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:28 PM
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If people would rather live in societies full of conflict rather than compromise and cooperation, then I can’t do much, although it saddens me since it doesn’t have to be this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:21 PM
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I do not think that this kind of reaction is widespread, though. Plenty of women report having single male friends. They do not all think that they are terrible people just because they are single, or else these men would not be their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:17 PM
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They shouldn’t. In a society where men have not forcefully restricted women’s ability to educate themselves and to earn their own money, it is up to men to impress women if they want their romantic company. A lot of men are doing a poor job of that these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:13 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:34 AM
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If men and women are working the same number of hours, then what I see upsetting her is more that she is working even more hours when she adds in all the work at home rather than that she is seeing him relaxing. The chores obviously need to get done and the children need to be taken care of, so the man not helping to get them done when they spend the same amount of time at a full-time job is really what is bothersome, not that he has a different attitude towards relaxation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:56 PM
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Perhaps. Apparently there are still enough men happy enough to be helping out women to keep the current system in place, though, so that women can think that they don’t need “low value” men. Things might eventually change, though, although I think it would be in the form of most men just not working hard enough to try to impress women and have families rather than men actually subjugating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:50 PM
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You do realize that this is the type of rhetoric that strengthens future misogyny in the younger generations? Saying that it is okay for one gender to do something but for the other gender not to do the same thing because of “differing outcomes” only serves to anger young men because they feel like they are being discriminated against.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:40 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:07 PM
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Sometimes the woman is just horny, so the preselection does not take long and is mostly influenced by male looks, charm, charisma, and connection. It is not always something planned out in advance by the woman, as women get horny too, just not as often and perhaps not as intensely as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:06 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:52 PM
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What women do not like is the complaining, usually, especially if it seemingly targets them as the ones who are at fault. Whining is also considered not particularly masculine. It’s usually only other women who get much sympathy for it, although some women can be sympathetic if the man makes it fairly clear that women are not at fault. Otherwise, why wouldn’t women take offense if they feel like they are being attacked?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:32 PM
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Romantic relationships do restrict freedom, but only the kind of freedom that you shouldn't care about losing if you take your relationship seriously. Not all relationship partners are cool with another person living their life however they want. Many of the things men do before they are attached are considered very “man child” like by a lot of women, for instance. Being in a relationship means less freedom as a cost with the benefits of companionship, romance, consistent sex, and hopefully a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:28 PM
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I don’t think that a lot of women, and especially the more reasonable women, are moralizing some men’s difficulty being selected. What they are moralizing is the reaction that these men have when they are not selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:22 PM
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This question is all relative. It is worse having a bad job or a bad boss than having a good spouse who respects a woman and treats her well when she stays at home. It is worse being sexually assaulted or raped by one’s spouse than having any kind of job except for one where one is being sexually assaulted as part of that job. Even jobs where one’s life is at risk are better than being sexually assaulted, because the death aspect of those jobs is not a certainty. Manosphere men are frequently co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:18 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:19 AM
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That is up to moderator judgment. Prolific mentioning of Chad is more likely to be in a woe-as-me context, though. What we are really trying to eliminate is woe-as-me rants here. Just noting the existence of high-value men who are easily successful with women does not necessarily fall into that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:57 PM
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Well, it is a matter of perspective. If one does not think that one’s demanding qualities need to be changed, as many women feel, then one does not need to go to therapy, and one can get away with blaming men. Men are more likely to want to try to change for women in some way, whether it is legit therapy or whether it is TRP, because they are sexually thirstier.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:54 PM
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This is true, of course, unfortunately for women. Just going to feminist spaces will show the large percentage of women who have been harassed and even assaulted by men. Very few young women say that no man has ever bothered or assaulted them. Hence, the implication is that men are not very sexually selective, although high quality men are selective when it comes to whom they decide to have a valid relationship with, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:51 PM
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If men are happy with their current partners, then I think that many of them can interact with other women in a non-sexual way. I do think most single, unattached men want sex, though, although quite a few women report having straight single male friends who have never considered them sexually. I’m skeptical, but am not going to completely discount what women say. But some the unattached men who do want sex are capable of respecting women and forming healthy relationships. Not every man is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:38 PM
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"Chad" predates black pill and is a part of Red Pill thought, so we allow mention of Chad as long as a user does not discuss Chad excessively or in a black pill manner (that's my view of how we have dealt with things, anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:00 AM
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We usually allow mention of Chad because it is a part of Red Pill ideology, but "Chad worship" has always gotten a user temporarily banned here since it is more black pill than Red Pill. The entire idea of Red Pill is that men can develop themselves to be at least "like Chad".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:58 AM
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And I am arguing that it is not a scam because the alternative is being dependent upon men for their happiness, and many women have decided that that is a worse alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:05 PM
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The other men will, but women never cared or will care about their treatment. I don't think that is an accurate statement. One can go on social media and read about a lot of women who have basically given up on men because of how they have been treated by them and are either exploring their bisexuality or just living asexual with toys (and who do not seem to have a problem with it like men do living with just their hand).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:04 PM
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It is not a scam if the reaction from men is to get them to change their behaviors to treat women better. It is probably worth the price, then.
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:06 PM
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I personally do not think that it is unless she has had casual sex experiences with better men. If so, it is possible that she will remember the sexual experiences that she had with these men and realize that the average guy just is not in the same league. She might "love" the average man more, but she possibly will not have the same "primal" lust that she had for the above average man at one time. This is one of the reasons why I tried to avoid women whom I knew had casual sex when I was single…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:26 PM
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Most Red Pill men do not want to get married, and one of the reasons that they do not want to get married is the belief that the level of sex will drop off once they do get married. I am not sure whom you are debating with here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:41 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:51 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:21 PM
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You’re welcome. I am working on figuring out how to word the rules now. While we don’t want to deny that comphet does exist in some cases, as is discussed in LGBTQ+ studies, we do want to ban the discussion of the idea that all women are affected by it so much that they are never naturally attracted to men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:08 PM
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Yes, you can absolutely agree in a debate. You cannot circlejerk on this sub. It will earn a temporary ban. This sub was not created so users could post comment after comment agreeing with each other. Please visit one of the many other echo chamber subs on Reddit if you would like to do that, or post as a reply to the AutoModerator.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:01 PM
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No, you do not have to mention specific races in order to talk about nationalities in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:58 PM
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What about a feminine looking and acting man for heterosexual men? I really do think that a lot of heterosexual women are sexually attracted to “penis”, which is analogous to one of the big differences reasons why men are attracted to women and not “feminine men” (the existence of a vagina and other secondary sexual characteristics). By the way, an announcement is likely to be made by moderators soon regarding “comphet” posts and comments. This is just black pill but worse, as users like you are…
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:34 PM
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If I were single and she was attractive enough, then sure. Being a single mother is a “minus” rather than a dealbreaker for most men, I think, even if men try to say otherwise. Single mothers who look like models still get plenty of attention from men.
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:03 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:01 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:55 AM
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It is inevitably going to be socially shamed, as people are certainly going to ask "what is wrong with the women in your own country that you had to go overseas to some poorer country?". Of course, it is not ethically wrong if the man treats the woman well (or vice versa in the rare cases when a woman does it), but I think that socially the zeitgeist is today that when men and women meet and become romantic it should be as equals, including as financial equals. "Unequal power dynamics" always ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:51 AM
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It is inevitably going to be socially shamed, as people are certainly going to ask "what is wrong with the women in your own country that you had to go overseas to some poorer country?". Of course, it is not ethically wrong if the man treats the woman well (or vice versa in the rare cases when a woman does it), but I think that socially the zeitgeist is today that when men and women meet and become romantic it should be as equals, including as financial equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:47 AM
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I just did. If you read the quotes above as Reddit posts, that is circlejerking. The basic principle is agreement (circlejerking) versus disagreement/clarification (debate/discussion).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:59 PM
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Yeah, of course. This is definitely clear for men if they bother reading feminist subreddits and taking them seriously. Women are constantly complaining about the men whom they are not attracted to who are approaching them or indirectly trying to attract them. What women don’t understand is that every almost every man (except the obvious jerks) who does this is putting himself out there and “making himself vulnerable”, as you say. A woman who experiences this as “bothersome” just cannot see it f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:55 PM
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If I post “women/men suck”, and another user replies “yeah, they definitely do”, that other user is performing the simplest version of circlejerking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:50 PM
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Then you are at least admitting that passport bro’ing is an opportunity for all men to optimize partner choice (and number, apparently) when you point out that there are some “high value” men who do it. I like to point out the same thing to men on this sub. And you’ve also admitted that you can’t pre-judge them as “losers”, if 5 out of 200 of them are not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:48 PM
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But men are expected to show a quality personality even for things like job interviews and to compete for status with other men is my point. It is one of the burdens of being a man and having a “forceful” personality, and it is therefore not “jestermaxxing” when a woman who is a potential romantic interest expects the same qualities out of a man that the rest of society does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:42 PM
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Women are equally exhausted, especially when they can’t find men who have the emotional intelligence to actually step up and share the mental and domestic load. A lot of today’s relationship failures seem to happen before a man and woman are even cohabitating and are just in the dating phases. I think that the bigger problem is that men and women are further apart politically and one party is seeing things from a position of privilege and the other from a lack of privilege. I don’t think that an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 07:39 PM
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Men have more sexual partners when one takes into account homosexual men, I am guessing. Otherwise, men and women would average the exact same number of partners if all sexual encounters were only heterosexual. Furthermore, there is likely a skew between the genders. There are men who have many more partners than the average woman, but also men who have fewer partners than the average women. These are the men who “have trouble”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:54 PM
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This is a debate sub, not a sub for people to reply agreeing with each others’ views. There are plenty of other subs on Reddit for that. We do allow circlejerking to posts as a reply to the AutoModerator, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:48 PM
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Okay, you are mentioning one person who does not seem to be a “loser”. I am sure that other men who happen to use the “passport bro” label might not be, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:46 PM
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People in relationships generally don't genuinely love each other. Are you trying to say that love doesn’t exist? No one loves friends or family members? If people can love these people, then why can’t they love their partners, and therefore have no reason to cheat on their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:44 PM
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Consequentialist ethics really determines if this is good if not. If the woman’s life and the man’s life are both made better because of one of them being a passport bro or a passport sis, then it’s a good thing. But this isn’t always the case, so it’s not always a good thing. I do think that there are some mutually beneficial relationships that do sometimes occur, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:17 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:10 PM
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These young guys seriously think they are wanted because they are western, non stop. I blame the American idea that they are somehow superior because they are American. These women do get a better life if the wealthy foreigner treats her well. Do you think that she gets a good life if she marries a poor foreign guy with a traditional patriarchic mindset?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:04 PM
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It’s remnants of dual mating strategy, which is still a form of AF/BB. A young woman can sexually desire hot, fun young men and want material comfort at the same time. There is nothing in AF/BB that says that one necessarily has to happen after the other. It just happens this way either because there is a cultural stigma against female cheating, or because the woman is afraid of being caught. I supppse some women might not be attracted to alpha men at all and want to go directly for material com…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:45 PM
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I think that a lot of men want kids for the legacy aspect and because they enjoy spending time with them. They might not understand how much work and money having a child is before they have one, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:45 PM
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Sure. Plenty of feminist women in New York City had no problem voting for Mamdani. I think the number of women advocating for actual rule by women rather than rule by anyone who has a general interest in equity like socialist men do is low. Still, one can find views such as “even socialist men can’t be trusted” online more often these days, although I’m sure most of these women would rather have Mamdani be their mayor than a MAGA woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:23 PM
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Yes. If you want to challenge your warning, then you will meet to contact Mod Mail to discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:17 PM
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Most people don’t alter their behaviors until something happens to them, and plenty of women eventually have something happen to them involving at least male harassment. Someone’s female relatives warning them about men or just reading online stories usually isn’t enough to alter people’s behavior alone when hormones are so powerful. Most people of both genders optimistically think that things happen to other people once in a while, but won’t happen to them personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:16 PM
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Yeah sure. I think that the presence of the internet, including online porn, has made the gender war worse in many ways, not just with people of different genders arguing online.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:09 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:03 PM
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Sure. I don’t fault some women with thinking that a matriarchy might be better (although I’d personally rather see a system where men and women share equal power). I’m just saying that some women are actively saying that women would run things better than men and actually advocating for it, which is essentially the definition of a matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:55 PM
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Initial attraction is based on appearance, and a lot of women on social media will openly say things like “why are there so many attractive women but so few attractive men?”. So the answer a woman gives really depends upon whether women think that men can improve their appearance based upon things like better wardrobes and better haircuts, or whether women actually think that men are less attractive than women no matter what they do. Of course, charisma is attractive to women too, and it is deba…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:52 PM
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I agree that most feminists are not radical. I just think that one is seeing a rise of more radical feminists that express ideas like a matriarchy being better than a patriarchy. Gen Z young women seem much less tolerant about just accepting the present way things are run economically and politically.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:57 PM
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A person bringing up their personal life does not give another user the privilege to make negative comments about them. That is not what this sub is about.
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Please report any comments that break sub rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:39 PM
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I think that radical feminism is much more accepted now than it has been before. Feminism is moving away from more liberal, sex positive interpretations and focusing on things such as women not doing things for the "male gaze". This whole dynamic is arguably set up by a patriarchic system that exploits women, which is why some women suggest replacing this system with a matriarchy instead. Just reading enough feminist posts from women on social media will show this. I do not think that I have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:38 PM
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Neither. People are just more naturally tolerant based upon economic circumstances. Since more women can earn enough money for themselves and be independent, they are naturally less tolerant of the differences that they have with many men. It really has nothing to do with brainwashing at all.
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:30 PM
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I do not really care. There are certainly women online talking about replacing the patriarchy with a matriarchy. You can choose to not believe me if you want. Here is a Wikipedia link of the women in academia who have discussed it, at any rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:17 PM
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I am curious. You will have to elaborate. You are saying that lesbians get upset when another lesbian will not have sex with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:15 PM
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I did not see enough of the context to see that it was under the AutoModerator. Your warning has been removed and the comment restored.
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:00 PM
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I think that there are plenty of women these days who are fine with 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:41 PM
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Wherever you got it from, you still can’t direct it towards another user.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:39 PM
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Yeah, I don’t collect links. One can find it in various social media if one searches.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:38 PM
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You’re making an opinionated argument. You should turn the title into an affirmative statement and make a Debate post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:35 PM
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I don’t think that people are addicted to it as you think. Most people don’t want more “AI productivity”. Most people don’t want more environmental destruction for the sake of “progress”. And many people (especially women) don’t want to have and raise children in an economy where it is so expensive to have them. Thus, destroying some of the incentives is probably justified until we get a fairer, less destructive system in place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:33 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:50 AM
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I do think that heterosexual men get more upset at women when women do not want to have sex with them. There is no real equivalent of heterosexual men getting upset at other men and then treating them worse for some reason - perhaps if he broke some kind of "bro code" like having sex with a guy's ex-girlfriend or something like that. But that is rarer than a man being denied sex by a woman. Instead, a lot of men take things out on women whom they see as not wanting to have sex with them for what…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:48 AM
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If you cannot follow the rules of this sub then you will likely be temporarily banned soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:34 PM
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It’s not the Arsenal stuff that was problematic. It was the second sentence of your comment. You can’t make things personal towards other users here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:33 PM
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It only takes one person in a poor neighborhood to rob you. Yet, only the most naive people are not going to take precautions in a poor neighborhood just because they don’t want their actions to be considered “discriminatory”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:32 PM
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Plenty of people have met in social third spaces, especially in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:30 PM
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You’ll have to challenge it in Mod Mail if you want the warning removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:29 PM
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That’s not what making things personal means. Users are allowed to make generalizations about genders in this sub. That is essentially what The Red Pill is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:28 PM
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I think that they want to be seen more as equal partners these days rather than traditional “wife material”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:27 PM
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I’m not sure that your post is on topic. I did not read it through. But posts making an argument should be flaired as Debate posts, and you are obliged to reply to replies that challenge your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:26 PM
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I don’t see a lot of feminist women resisting the idea of having power over men. I’ve seen all kinds of material about women wanting to get rid of the patriarchy and replacing it with a matriarchy.
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