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2-3-or-not-2-3/r/RedPillWives23/06/18 09:35 AM
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LTR/MARRIAGE2-3-or-not-2-3/r/RedPillWomen05/06/18 08:35 AM
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Discussion2-3-or-not-2-3/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 01:24 PM
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This is a fine setup for a mathematical problem. Not for the social sciences which human interaction falls under. I'll wait for the solution post.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 06:15 PM
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... but .. but .. by definition it isn't, a person in charge of a organizations designed to reach larger audiences can reach larger audiences....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/18 07:44 AM
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Is this a debate or science piece?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 07:47 PM
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Then you should go research before making a nonsensical post. Height has nothing to do with masculinity and the opposite of "toxic" or "negative" masculinity isn't femininity it's positive masculinity...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 06:59 PM
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So to remove toxic masculinity the argument is to eliminate all masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 06:48 PM
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I would add that the brain is more complex then Bstc structures, if you are claiming their is a scientific consensus (or even a majority) that claim brains are the same between the group's then your not representing the true state of the science (which even as a whole is still developing). What percentage of MtF trans utilize broca's area for their problem solving capabilities? This is a well established function of the female brain that differs from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 05:59 PM
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Enbies?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 04:22 PM
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^
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 04:20 PM
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I have also been thinking this, that the male SMV peaks where it does mainly as a result of female reproduction. If women peaked at 35 then men would peak at 45 as it's a function of resource provisioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 04:15 PM
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See I don't think that's it... I think it's a sampling error. For example my dad is 65, he has no problem dating 55 year-olds and finds them very attractive. Of course he also finds a 22 yo bikini model attractive but the 55 yo smv isn't 0 or even close to it. If we put the population into age groups a similar trend would appear. I think this chart is based on a sample that doesn't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 04:10 PM
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Well if you look at 60 male vs 50 female... intuitively it seems false.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 03:45 PM
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On the smp chart, I can't help but think there's a common error in the approach, older people continue to find those around their age attractive, and if wealth or power plays a role in male SMV then it wouldn't have such a downward trend after 35...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 02:42 PM
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Well when I was looking into paleo it mentioned that grass fed beef was much healthier then grain fed, and I think most studies are looking as the grain fed meats. 100g per day? I thought it would be less.
/r/RedPillWives24/06/18 11:07 AM
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Note I said societal hierarchy. The group you describe are surely destructive, I don't know what percentage that would be, I'd imagine most would make some physical improvements. I'd say that In general it works as a sexual strategy, but without a focused direction of establishing a LTR relationship at a younger age it hurts advancing on the hierarchy and likely puts them steps backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 08:54 PM
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Possibly a percentage less then 100
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 08:30 PM
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You describe a single solution to a stated problem. I identify an additional element of the problem. If your solution doesn't address it then it doesn't solve the problem in it's entirety. Thus insufficient, thus CMV successful
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 07:46 PM
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So this D1 D2 thing causes men to give birth?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 07:22 PM
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A problem between the species is only females can give birth. This creates unequal socioeconomic conditions between the sexes. This is a problem. This problem is not solved within the proposed solution. Successful CMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 07:17 PM
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Me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 07:13 PM
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My only problem with TRP is it takes beta males on the societal hierarchy and turns them into omegas, it's unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 04:55 PM
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:) Well i believe I've used the quote in the correct and intended situation. but it's also more then just military, we are all animals and our nature is to survive, if needed... or tricked... man and woman can do anything. we are socialized to think we aren't capable of the worst atrocities but understanding oneself equal to the capacities of the worst monsters is the only safe guard against becoming them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 01:56 PM
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Do you know how much red meat (grass fed biological) is adviced per week? I find conflicting information.
/r/RedPillWives23/06/18 01:26 PM
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That's an interesting one. If you spend some time thinking about it then it becomes even more interesting... If we use the term "negative masculinity" instead of "toxic masculinity" as that would be the correct opposite (especially related to this post on "positive masculinity"), it means you cannot have one without the others existence. More then that it means that in order to be a "positive masculine man" you must actually know of your ability to manifest the darkest (DT) sides and actively ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 11:09 AM
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It's a good answer, IMHO I'd add that it has a component of lifting up others and that the person assuming leadership isn't doing it just for power but with the motivation that no one else could do it better (Plato's philosopher king or JFK view from 13 days film)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 08:06 AM
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I think one of Jordan Peterson's quotes has it right, "You should be able to be a monster, and then not be one." So it's not just being nice or compassionate but knowing that deep down inside you have developed yourself so that you can be evil and do evil things and that you choose not to (and I would add that you make that choice because you are true to your internal moral compass on what is RIGHT, you are a "man of principal's) This can manifest in many ways and their apex moments can be ident…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 08:00 AM
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The sexual imperative of sleeping with as many women as possible is supreme? I'm not sure, I suppose when there's a huge field in the middle that it's hard to differentiate on the social, "money, land, things" categories, but at the higher economic levels I do think that it plays a larger role in status among their peer group.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 09:42 PM
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Men also retire, a generation to pay their pension could be beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 08:29 PM
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Username checks out?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 08:24 PM
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Great now I'm stuck thinking about how the game play would all work...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:51 PM
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This is a good definition, care to hazard an allocation of the weight of the categories?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:34 PM
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You open yourself up for a cheapshot there... But I'm not going to take it ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 06:49 PM
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Hmm so when n=1 it was 100% and now with n=2 we're at 50%. I bet if we continue to expand the sample size we will get close to the true mean of where people are
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 06:26 PM
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My mistake on clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 06:24 PM
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Well when I commented some 12 hours ago, it was like the second comment... and like I said, my comment simply shows a logic inconsistency that would prove the counter argument correct, and I do post that stuff when I see it... But it doesnt matter,
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:42 PM
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Are you honestly going to take such a simplistic view? Condition of having sufficient productive resources at command that give the capacity to make and enforce economic decisions, such as allocation of resources and apportioning of goods and services. It is the earner of resources who holds command of productive resources. It is the earner who across time rather then at a discrete moment holds capacity to enforce economic decisions. Stated alternatively; a family unit where the man earns 100% o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:39 PM
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Arguments about a wage gap are wrong. The main flaw in them is Your not allow to both disagree and completely agree in one coherent thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:31 PM
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Fair enough, not sure if adding "plausible deniability" items within the cases is "In good faith" ;) I'm not sure how representative the answers are, I know in terms of assault my husband directly fires people, I assume this is a standard thing. I've seen couples breakup and me and my husband knew the father wasn't doing his job providing for the kid and we both looked down on him. Ignorance can always be an argument, would you have a beer with Hitler if you didn't know it was Hitler? On guys ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:19 PM
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I don't see how it's not in good faith. I pointed out the reply shows a bias which favours women but also claimed men as the gender which favours itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:09 PM
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I think you miss the point of my reply, user claimed men are more sexist and used a sexist (a generalization based on sex) argument to support the position...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 03:46 PM
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"Giving to women via taxes" is quiet a stretch... redistribution systems are designed to shift wealth from those with means to those without, I would agree with you that there's a group of women who occupy this area because they lack the economic power of other citizens (m&f). Gifts are a transaction. You are purchasing something with that exchange of equal value. Court orders are based on various means, even if not I can't imagine this represents a significant percentage of the total exchange, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:59 PM
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I think disingenuous depends how you read into it. For example, I have a friend and she is a mother who is a uhm "naturalist", so she doesn't vaccinate her kid, breast fed him until he was 2-3, always had him by her side etc. I disagreed with her on many things and said so, this isnt to rise me up (though of course its my view so could be biased) but its because I think its a total wacko way to raise kids. The same is when kids are running around a store screaming or other things like that, peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:38 PM
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Rereading the OP, I still dont see this... OP stated: baseline expectation for acceptable behavior Why don’t guys police each other as hard for things that are more harmful for society? And provided three examples of topics where policing acceptable behaviour would be beneficial for society. You are bringing up why women don't deal with problems XYZ and how an individual woman benefits from 'putting down others' - which isn't addressing the question or topic. Perhaps one could argue that there's…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:03 PM
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Reality is a hard nut to crack.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 12:25 PM
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Conclusions that seek reasons are always going to find them. Economic power is not spending of wealth it is the acquisition of it, only the poor would put forth such an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 12:20 PM
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any self reported study is troublesome, but what I was getting to was that most of the wage gap claims do the following: Total Income of all Males = 100, total income of all females = 80 (you don't need self reported figures as governments usually keep these stats), they then incorrectly infer that they are paid less because of them being women. None of that really matters for this argument on economic power, as we only need the absolute numbers ... 100 > 80. Arguments about a wage gap are wrong…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 12:10 PM
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Which is going to be my eventual point, they dont show discrimination but they do show volume. If women on average make 10% less (or whatever it is) then by definition men have 10% more economic power (ie you cant infer macro to micro causality without a full model but macro-macro does show this), I can then argue further that men have a larger share of the total labor force which further reinforces the point that "of the total dollars that exist, men have more of them" which is the only valid w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 11:58 AM
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Claiming a lack of expertise is different then "You admit to knowing nothing"... Let me approach this from a different way... Can you explain the methodological error that exists with people who claim there is a wage gap between men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 10:37 AM
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My apologies, a semi -personal attack on honesty isnt justified. My goal was simply to dive into the idea that social norms and values do push all sexes to control/influence the behaviour of others but that they manifest themselves in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 09:08 AM
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I am going to doubt cherry picked facts that imply causality without any in depth thought on the subject as bias... yes. You are clearly entrenched in your position so it's unlikely that I'll change your mind and there is obviously a lot of factors at play. Men hold the most economic power, the trend of employment currently favors women... It seems obvious that a recession is going to unequally affect the primary sector which mostly employed men (and to add globalization and automation affecting…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 09:05 AM
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I think you are not being fully honest here. Assault/Harassment: If you were a manager and this was occurring within your team would you address it and is it only for "legal" reasons? Deadbeat Dad: If you had a friendship with a couple, they broke-up, and the 'dad' decided to turn to alcohol, not support his kids, etc. is that the guy your going to spend your free time with? Cheating: Your friend tells you he is planning on having an affair (not a fling) on his wife, your not going to tell him t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 08:23 AM
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And in a turn of irony, you show the exact same (but reversed) bias... it's all very interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:57 AM
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I am no expert on the US, but I would disagree and do not think your argument could be substantiated. It seems rather clear to me that men hold greater economic power in terms of income, seniority, position and probably every other metric imaginable (read this statement without attributing any causality to why that is). Unless I misunderstand the American political system, it remains based on a 1-person-1-vote idea and there is no intrinsic "voting power" that women hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:46 AM
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Hmm, well I don't know what "a lot" works out to numerically, but I would suggest that for that group, they are implicitly biased favoring their own sex. (So not you as an individual, but the conditions you state as part of the explanation). If we were to dis-gender the statement into a different 'hot-button' topic (a bit of a false equivalent but for illustration), "I am thinking of my future employment, I give no thought or care to the group of children of illegal immigrants who are separated …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:28 AM
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I find it interesting that the answer to the question: But who's actually more biased towards favoring their own sex, in your experience? is: men are way more likely to hold sexist/misogynist views than the reverse. a lot of women simply don't care that much about or even think about men as a group much at all. Are you able to recognize that in your statement you are making a statement of the "group" of men in general holding negative views of women? You are implicitly showing a bias which favor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:11 AM
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One should always be willing to explore the arguments of others...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 06:22 AM
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Well i believe that's a major component, it's what brings issues to people's minds and shapes most views. Like Cassie mentioned in her talk, she would hear men's right advocates point out that for evrey 20 woman's shelter there is only 1 men's shelter (or whatever the stat was) and she would interpret that as being antiwoman because she would filter it through her bias. I would say women have a greater bias and it's a symptom of this... men recognize and agree that rape and other things are bad,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 06:11 AM
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An important addition is that in terms of power men may hold various powers but "women hold the media" which is a very powerful outlet (or at least "the left" does). The other day I watches Cassie Jaye's TEDtalk and she provides a great view on how she herself was conditioned to reinforce her feminist views. IMHO It's a pretty good talk and worth watching https://youtu.be/3WMuzhQXJoY
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:59 AM
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In general? Because men shouldn't be such weak crying victims all the time and when they see something they want to go and try to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 07:04 PM
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You poor thing.... lol so did I
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 01:43 PM
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Avoid entj's at all cost, they are terrible people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 01:38 PM
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There is much to distill, if we are saying TRP as the ideas around evolutionary biology then it is amoral. If we say it as various self improvements it is good. If we then look at group members, group dynamics and TRP as ideology then it is a problem (My bias is the belief that blind following of any ideology without independent thought is bad). giving powerful weapons to children who are incapable of wielding them isn't the best idea Note that I say "children". This can be understood as the per…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 08:00 AM
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I think many are obsessed with blindly following ideology and being part of an 'online-community' and thus don't seek to be partners in a relationship. I don't know what your definition of 'abusive' is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 07:29 AM
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Yes, but ideas vs implementation is lacking. I would agree with top comment that basically giving powerful weapons to children who are incapable of wielding them isn't the best idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 07:11 AM
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My unpopular opinion: Dark Triad can be ok, as long as both sides know the 'rules of the game' which they are playing. And, upon finding a LTR mate they stop playing that game against one another and instead play it against the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:56 AM
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A logical sound argument supporting feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 09:56 PM
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So you are agreeing with me that OP point is over simplified and there's so much nuance we don't want to elaborate on it in a massive wall of text? We can also include globalization, and that when women entered the workforce there's an influx of disposable income of families that it increases consumption etc etc but levels off eventually. I don't think we disagree. If we do I concede all points just to avoid a long debate on economics and history.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 09:13 PM
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On the first point, I think it's far more complex, at the most basic level if you double the supply of workers without increased demand then "price" (wages) sink. Add to this the increase in cost of living, that many families simply can't afford to not both work, and all the new products and gizmos that people can buy. I think it's beneficial that all people are maximizing the productivity of society but there's nuances as several factors make things both better and worse
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 08:38 PM
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Grabs popcorn
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 07:41 PM
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I originally read it as while on a date, so was thinking no matter what side your on you want to impress the girl because otherwise you wouldn't be on the date with her
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 10:39 PM
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Why don't you "come over" "eh" and we can talk aboot it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 10:32 PM
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"Because I totally do"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 10:28 PM
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Well it's half a joke related to netflix thread from earlier. But I don't really mind if some stranger wants to look, I find it cute when younger guys take the multiple short glances because they want to look but not stare And they aren't smooth enough for it to look natural
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 10:23 PM
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For men: having to entertain the entire time and put on a good impression without showing any negative things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 10:02 PM
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Automod. Meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 09:45 PM
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Hmm. Maybe OP can draw a picture of what these aliens look like, would make this easier, I'm a visual person and it seems important for the experiment
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 09:44 PM
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Ja, just make sure you try to find the higher class alien for closest companionship, trade up if need
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 09:21 PM
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At the least they could open jars for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 09:10 PM
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And why are there only females, and if there's only females how is there millions of them? There are questions on this strange reproductive system... I don't get scifi
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 09:03 PM
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What a setup.... though men are rather alien... no I do not perceive their behaviour in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 08:38 PM
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For the meta ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 07:35 PM
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IMHO yelling is closer to approach then to stare
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 07:30 PM
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As long as it's less then 5 seconds it is acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 07:15 PM
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Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 07:13 PM
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Well it actually seems like the more important point doesn't it? OP is clearly miserable and almost giving up on it, almost letting go, and has come to us for motivation to continue not understanding their hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 07:08 PM
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Letting the peasants vote was our first mistake...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 07:04 PM
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I dont know, it could also be "I need to let it go" and we have to argue why they should not let it go
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 06:56 PM
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It says CMV, but what is the particular view to be changed, Can you put it in a single statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 06:34 PM
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This is a fantastic thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 06:32 PM
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Hmmm, my methodologies learning always focused around popper, I will have to check him out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 06:28 PM
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mutual dependency by the very nature of marriage/divorce laws. I know its not worth arguing because you are set in your ideas on how this works. But, we for example have a 'cold exclusion' marriage, we both brought assets in, and we both get half if we exit - and such an action would be rather damaging to our overall equity - thus mutual dependent. On connections, sure you can try to charm your way in somewhere. We still do that when we don't have an "in". But, I foolishly believe that the WE is…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 06:00 PM
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Whatever it takes to maintain the ideology. Sure it's an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 05:44 PM
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1 shows why RP is against LTR. But, creating mutual dependencies forces parties to work together. 2 my networking opens up opportunities for my husband, able to make social connections when needed, my father's connections invested in our first business etc. You seem to consider it a liability instead of an asset, I'd refer back to the poor mate selection comment...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 05:28 PM
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1 poor mate selection- risk&reward 2 society, wealth, professional 3 emphasis is STR & rejection of LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 05:16 PM
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Yes. It depends on what your goal is. I think RP has good theory, good self help advice, but it's direction is off. I wouldn't say it's full Machiavellian but advancement should be the goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 05:09 PM
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Uhm... yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 04:33 PM
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Well royalty is meant as a simplistic example to understand general argument. My position is that the 35 y/o who enters LTR at 25 will be farther ahead and higher on the hierarchy then the 35 y/o who spent those 10 years following TRP. They will have different positions and experiences and that's the trade-off between them. Well i think there is debate within TRP on whether LTR are within it or not. I can be more precise and say either case is suboptimal, monogomy before 30 is more optimal depen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 04:27 PM
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Against LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 04:12 PM
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My husband always says that if he can't do his job in 40 hours then either he is doing something very wrong or the company is. I'd say getting people to that level is a good start, many countries in the EU have reduces it further showing increase in overall productivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 04:12 PM
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The reason royalty used to marry was to merge kingdoms. A team effort of a LTR that combines individual talents and family resources allows quicker gains in the hierarchy and thus higher heights and status. This is counter to RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 04:09 PM
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It allows you to gain outsider perspectives to broaden your view. It's a good thing:)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 04:04 PM
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I think they are playing the wrong game. It's why I recently changed my flair to Purp, I think their tactics work on the dimensions you list, but in the larger game of gaining wealth and power it seems suboptimal, this is why by their definitions Churchill, presidents, tycoons are all "beta" despite that they could squash their proposed alphas with a single nod or sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 04:00 PM
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Not my country. We create rational laws. But you wanted a suggestion, I'm here to give theideas and inspire you to act. I believe you can make the change!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:56 PM
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Change the ability for evreyone to sue evreyone for everything? That's sounds like a good place to begin
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:51 PM
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I'll ask my husband when he's home. He is better at math then me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:47 PM
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*Genetherapy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:35 PM
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For dating you may discriminate against anyone for any reason, just dont look like a dick while doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:33 PM
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Perhaps you just haven't learned the language of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:28 PM
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I'll have to look that up to confirm. ! .. RemindMe
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:25 PM
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It would seem to me that the root of the problem is that you guys let anyone sue anyone else for basically any cause which allows people to influence policy that becomes industry standards and thereby sidesteps and legal systems or challenges. Shouldn't you look at fixing that root problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:24 PM
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Or of 51/100. Agreed, the math checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:22 PM
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Is a minority but not tiny. 1 in 5 of anything is quiet a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:16 PM
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Don't you Americans allow companies to donate like hundreds of millions of $ on elections under "speech". This is also odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:14 PM
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Imho everyone should have a shorter work week.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:10 PM
1

Why the ""?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 03:08 PM
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I would say Acts of Service & Touch - both giving and receiving with SO. In relation to my pill, I guess receiving 'gifts' would be the stereotype. But, neither of us are materialistic in terms of having 'things', we are both impossible to buy gifts for. We try to make all time be quality time, and neither of us are about writing love letters or poetry, words are used as part of an act of service when supporting one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 08:36 AM
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In my defense, I didn't expect such a 'thorough response', to short questions, no goat award for me :/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 08:26 AM
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Just because we can explain something in language doesn't mean that the thing being explained isn't instinct and doesn't exist. Other examples aside from your infant example would be that we yawn when others do, have fight/flight/freeze reactions, react when there is something above our head (the evolutionary reaction against snakes), we have "gut feelings" on things and we become more alert in potentially dangerous situations, when we see someone 'attractive' its not a long mental calculation t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 08:20 AM
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Aren't those three categories true for basically evrey possible statement? You dismiss it, accept it, or reject it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 07:50 AM
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Things to be concerned about: health, happiness, family, stock portfolio, several other things, SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 09:40 PM
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Hi, a really good response. I threw in Hobbes and Rousseau because from my laymen view it seems out of place or inconsistent with TRP. The Hobbian competitive state of nature needs "strong alphas" to create and lead society but at the same time the Rousseau oppression as a result of society exists. It seems inconsistent. My comment on nature was meant in a Anthropocentric way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 06:42 PM
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I am on mobile now, but, I still do not understand the LTR STR argument you are making. It's somewhat important to your overall argument, my position is that a STR is a NECESSARY condition (or state) for a LTR because of time. Alternatively, that there is no LTR that exists which was not a STR first. Could you express your argument on this in a different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 04:56 PM
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You are busy judging people, groups, and clearly have a deep desire express your opinion on them. I am interested in actual thoughtful dialogue involving concepts and ideas. It is clear that you lack the desire and/or capacity to do such a thing. I believe there's some other posts dealing with important issues like what breast size is optimum or how to know a girl likes you. These people need your valuable input.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 04:51 PM
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Ascribing traits to different sides to create ideal types is not strawmanning. But its ok if you don't want to participate. :) Edit kid= If... sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:43 PM
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The positions I am assigning them are: TRP: Argues women fully and uncontrollably follows 'Nature' or 'Instinct' TBP: As a counter/opposite argues women are pure rational being that make all decisions through absolute reason and logic. And my personal view is the answer is in the middle (for both men and women). I am not looking at what 'people' do but in combating these two 'ideas'. If PPD is only going to be debating the idiots on either side then its not going to be a very difficult debate...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:20 PM
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I'm also just poking the Americans a bit ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:14 PM
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Welp, time to close the sub, we got it all figured out ;). Its an interesting and thorough response. I appreciate the effort you took to write it out. There is definitely a lot, so I will have to review the ideas and the other post you mention. A few immediate questions thought; Splitting STR and LTR preferences is a good way to 'resolve' the conflict, but, in my experience a LTR follows a STR, or is a function [STR(LTR)] - the so called 'vacation boyfriend' is too small for real consideration, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:12 PM
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UMC woman Definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 02:48 PM
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Yes... But... it's more interesting to at least 'assign' it a position - even if it has none - so that it can be used to reflect and analyze.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 02:38 PM
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it is probably the reds who started from a position of assuming that relationships are more about conscious decision With a level of generosity, I could interpret this as a reaction to a world becoming more mechanical and more ordered, and a desire to return to our 'animal instincts' our human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 01:39 PM
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No. I do not think this is the primary contention. Moreover, I think its a stupid statement because the instant you join a group you are conforming to that group (otherwise you aren't in that group). However, there is some validity in the statement. There has been much work in the social sciences on societal cleavages which basically state that the "left" is far more likely to protest for change and the "right" is far more likely to try for change via established systems (ie voting) (This is als…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:24 AM
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I think the responses make sense for the most part. I dont think anyone starts a relationship based only on physical attraction, but it plays the 'jump start' role. The way I read it is that if you are on a date for a few hours then its already more then just physical, you've gotten to know a bit about them etc. The alternative would be there's a guy with a 'god like' body, your on a date you find them to be a bad person but you choose a relationship (or theres no conversation and you choose a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 07:41 AM
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I haven't read them, any good?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:59 PM
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Far. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:58 PM
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No they are doing things terribly. But that may be the best they can do. I'm not going to teach a research methods course, they want to know it they can go study. I'm just describing the observable situation to the best I can (while granting much leeway) in some type of method.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:49 PM
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Nah I like just hanging out in PPD, both red and blue sides are... tiring..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:47 PM
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I edited. My bad... also didn't look only from memory
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:42 PM
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"Newspaper articles" possibly linked to studies (No bias) Edit: double checked only last one was a newspaper oops
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:38 PM
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No. Exceptions prove a conceptual model does not fully explain causality. That additional variables are needed (or that probabalistically the model explains a degree of the phenomenon) I'm not saying they are doing it right... I'm saying you downgrade their work as notes (I know they are..) but with a little effort I can place that inside a valid methodology. Any claim that something is "all" is idiotic. But at least attempting to analyse it in a scientific frame is more useful. They will simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:28 PM
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I honestly think they could prove a lot because a lot of it is common sense.... the double decisive proof that women like men who are not only rich but also powerful and good looking... i think that can be proven with a high degree of confidence... I wouldn't waste my time with it but I do find the "science" coming from the feminist side far more suspect then from the RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:20 PM
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Multiple qualitative case studies illustrating "typical cases". It's an ok method, its high on internal validity but low generalizability. Blueside argues that they can point out "deviant cases" that disprove the generalization made from the observable typical multiple contributors have offered. Sound like a better approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:15 PM
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Sigh... We know science is a method and not a "thing" don't we? I mean I think in the referenced post I made a good effort to read the posted journal 2nd comment in and point out reasonable flaws which could create bias... IF YOU WANT SCIENCE THEN YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT! It's not up for debate it's what the thing actually is
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:03 PM
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If you don't know across 3 dates then I don't know what to tell you.... yes she's interested if she's on the third date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:03 PM
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They said 3 times not minutes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:02 PM
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Define quickly and why quickly matters
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 07:31 PM
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If you are married then you're doing it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 04:43 PM
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Well i guess the positive side is that if they are making more money they can enroll more people and distribute costs to lower tuitions
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 04:04 PM
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I dont want to alarm you, but that doesn't seem like a very good way yo advance your society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 04:00 PM
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Why do universities "make money"? We also rose the drinking age 2 years ago from 16 to 18 but I don't think it's had any affects
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:50 PM
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I honestly read the comment and replied outside any and all context until you replied but stand with my point;) as irrelevant as it may be on the particular case
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:41 PM
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Western Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:37 PM
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This makes a degree of sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:34 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with you on the facts, only on the sentiment. The proof would have to be substantial, but if it existed, it would have to be accepted otherwise proof has no value
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:33 PM
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At my university if a girl was raped then they would just arrest the guy and it didn't have anything to do with the university. I guess if it happened on the university they might want to investigate the location or do whatever police do. I'm not saying I'm a legal expert or anything but I find our system a bit more coherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:21 PM
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I no longer put anything beyond you americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:18 PM
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I had an 'Orientation' seminar, we had to learn theories of knowledge, research methodologies, and descriptive statistics... TBH I think you guys have it a bit easier on the education front
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:10 PM
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I genuinely do not understand your system of law.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:08 PM
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I understand post-secondary, I meant, they have actual courses on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:05 PM
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post-secondary consent courses Is this also a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 03:01 PM
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Serious question though, what the hell is wrong with your colleges in America? Why is this even a thing? Students are adults in the US when they go aren't they? I don't understand why such a thing even exists at a university or why the university would play a role. Its very strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 02:57 PM
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I guess my problem with these studies is that when you operationalize a new "scale" of courses being "(a) math orientation, (b) science orientation, (c) gender bias (against women), (d) helpful orientation, (e) money orientation, and (f) creative orientation." ... and then measure the perception of "gender bias (against women)" with these 3 questions (likert scale): “Women in this major experience discrimination based on their gender,” “Women have a hard time succeeding in this major,” and “This…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 02:41 PM
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English is my second language Me too, this is how we learn. Anyways, you have presented your arguments, if others choose to engage with them they now can. I remain unconvinced that we have established: Women Dating Practicality < Terps view of Women Dating Most women [DO NOT] try to leverage the best they can get in any given environment. I do not think that this study can do that and is poor evidence to try and mount the argument that it is attempting to make. Beyond this I think your interpret…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 01:49 PM
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I dunno, honestly I think it's just insecurity coming from short guys. I've never heard men complain about this IRL either. https://youtu.be/ryDOy3AosBw?t=14s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 01:06 PM
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Offenders constituted almost 30 percent of the sample, which both doesn't allow us to present them as some tiny fraction of society Table 3 also shows that the most "reproductively successful" criminals are violent ones, Quickly googling violent crime rate of Sweden I come to a figure of 1.9% (2012), thus a small fraction of the population. men need to jump through enormously bigger stack of hoops than women to have a child that is legally recognized as theirs, I don't think thats how the law wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 12:55 PM
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As no one likes threats of spam, I will bite. What is the point you would like to make? My conclusions from (very very briefly) scanning the article is that in Sweden they found that criminals are more likely to have 'reproductive success' then non-criminals (to keep it short). That doesn't disprove the statement you quote. "Most women try to leverage" because most means most and not all. I mean its an interesting study and all, but; there are more law abiding citizens then criminals, a part of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 11:11 AM
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Well if you know the 'rules of the game' then its ok. If you don't it can just be odd; like getting a promotion and saying the new job is "not bad" and then describing all the positive things about it makes it sounds like the person is just pessimistic or something. I am emigrating this year and thing I will probably end up offending a lot of people because of the social norms
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 10:49 AM
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Except now due to this post you will be more observant and everywhere you look you will see the 2s and 3s. Anytime I can make the observable universe of another redditor slightly uglier then I think I've done a good job. So I'm going to chalk up this post as a success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 10:33 AM
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Ok, fair point. I actually only learned this a few weeks ago myself. My husband in Canadian, I was looking at youtube videos for "Canadian English", and apparently things like "not bad" actually mean "good" instead of meaning slightly better then terrible. We've been together for 10+ years and I didn't know this, and there seems to be lots of speech that tries to move things to a neutral level. IDK, seems strange to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 10:24 AM
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Women are absolutely shamed for rejecting short guys. Really? I don't recognize this. I find it pretty common to state the preference "taller or equal to me" to never get any shame and be a pretty logical position. (Though there may be bias, in the Netherlands we are all like 180 cm (~6ft ish))
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:59 AM
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Looking at that curve makes me think that ratings - the way people talk about them - aren't really based on a normal distribution curve. But that's what I find interesting. I didn't give it much thought until I put the standard model onto a 1-10 attractiveness scale but it shows that we have a cognitive bias, exactly for the reason you say we ignore the bottom half. (Plus in general people aren't good with numbers or using them incorrectly) IMHO attractiveness must - at least roughly - follow a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:48 AM
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I think that RPW actually provides a reasonable framework on this; Alpha traits are in the realm of Attraction and Beta traits in the realm of Comfort. Within both realms there are positive and negative dimensions, and the ideal is to seek a mate that maximizes the good and minimizes the bad (which ignoring all terminology is a pretty logical position). In this light, no one wants an alpha or dis-wants a beta, they want the optimum mix. Both the 'ideal type' alpha & beta are suboptimum. Would on…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 09:29 AM
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If every study in the world said women were 0% machiavellian I would still disagree, because it's what my personal experience shows. I mean, if thats your starting point, then really theres no point in ever having a discussion right? "If there is conclusive proof of X then show me and I will not believe it" seems like an idiotic starting position for any side to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:21 AM
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If either side wins then we all lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:15 AM
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To try and answer in an objective way... I think the issues which explain the variance in opinions on what 'rating' one gets involves the following factors: Lack of perfect memory, lack of perfect discrimination, differences in preference, multiple variables that can be used in determining "attractiveness" - if we were computers we could rate far more accurately. If we say that 'overall attractiveness' falls along the standard model (with St.Dev 1,2,3 at 6,8,9 respectively), (Here I made a graph…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 08:03 AM
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Yup, first action attack, second action look at post history on RPW and then follow to try and get details. Pure garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 09:19 PM
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Don't need creeps with nothing better to do to look through what I was asking. If you weren't a BP troll you'd see I discriminate against all sides on the debate and get along with them as well. You are the reason I choose the red flair, 10x worse then the idiots on the otheraide
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 09:14 PM
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Didn't say service. Said support. Not brainwashed but partners
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 09:02 PM
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Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:50 PM
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No prob. I'm 50/50 into intellectual thought or provoking people. Good economic insights come from observing human behaviour right? So it's good to have such an arduous task if one must write a m.sc. thesis ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:05 PM
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Possibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 08:00 PM
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Well good luck then :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:37 PM
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To be fair, the last post was on cheating. I believe that always to be wrong. For leaving I believe there is no wrong reason (though certainly there are poor ones). Naturally people should always try to get things right again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:28 PM
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How long have you been together?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:25 PM
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Dude I'm not debating, your knowledgeable so just seeing if you have any interesting ideas from your gained expertise because interesting ideas are interesting... I don't care what they do there, they are a bunch of wackos. I think applying the market and supply and demand to relationships to be interesting, but it's been a long time since I've studied economics. Ideas and concepts can simply just be explored. Here's one I had (I'm not an expert and took econ many years ago), if you are setting …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:22 PM
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On the why- just curious
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:51 PM
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That sounds like a pretty good job to have as a student regardless of the economy. Do you have any interesting economic theories beyond the basic supply-demand that could be interesting RP theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:49 PM
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What is your career?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:42 PM
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A person which identifies as a pathway
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:33 PM
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It's going to sound domestic... supporting my husband
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:11 PM
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I actually didn't consider this. If person was a high end cortizan just dating a few elites for awhile it might even be beneficial
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:09 PM
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Lower quality males in the market... I hear ya
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:05 PM
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I have learned to never underestimate a person's ability to do a bad job.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:01 PM
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Not without coercion. There's no need too. There are probably a few that actually choose it but I don't think it's the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:55 PM
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But shows the innate problems of prostituion and capitalism in general. It is profitable to exploit people and those on the front line are the weakest
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:52 PM
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Alot of people are pretty bad at their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:35 PM
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Hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:33 PM
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I don't know, GDP per capita, relative cost of living, social safety net, all play a role. I can promise you that your weather is superior :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:24 PM
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For clarity: you mean the non-pro had the same number of partners as the pro? (Not same as partner)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:12 PM
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Humans have 10 fingers. Some babies are born with 11. They are not average. They are not normal. This is a fractionally small percentage with no need for pushing any negative attributes on. Consider sex as a hygiene variable to normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:05 PM
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Well I don't know it as a "fact", I don't think they keep statistics :) and im not routinely there looking. But that's the cultural norm that I'm aware of. Maybe high end bankers go, or hire someone more discreetly. I can only speak to the stereotypes I know
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:57 PM
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Well we would disagree. C'est la vie
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:51 PM
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I'd say that "normal" status isn't really a status
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:45 PM
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Hi, you live in a fantasy world. I think you should legalize it because the trade is going to happen so having some control mechanisms in place is good. In the Netherlands we have legal prostitution and soft drugs as a "barrier before the dam". The idea is if you allow the little things you can focus on stopping the big problems. But the girls in the red light district rent there space And like evrey other industry remain the frontline workers. If you come to Amsterdam you won't see dutch girls …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:27 PM
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I will take a shot... If we assume that people are naturally interested in profit maximization, then clearly it would be better to not spend money then to spend money on a prostitute. Arguably, we can deduce some generalizations from this statement. First, one must have disposable income to absorb the cost. Second, there must be low chance in obtaining the same service at a lower cost or free elsewhere. If we further deduce that handsome men who have "game" are able to pick up women either at a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:13 PM
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Apparently its a hotly contested issue online and depends on the dictionary. In spoke word its normally fine but in formal writing, like reddit, should be used for 2 options. But its also not my native language and don't know if British and US English differs on the rule When used as a conjunction, “either” implies one of two or more elements. However, if it’s an adjective (meaning “one and/or the other”) or a pronoun (meaning “the one or the other”), then “either” implies one of two only.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 04:02 PM
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Here's the real debate of the thread. No, she is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:51 PM
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Safer to pick berries while looking after the children then go hunt a lion. Seems to make sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:27 PM
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Here in the Netherlands it is seen as something for stupid tourists or for the lower class. So in general I look down upon them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 03:25 PM
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Hmmm, I dont think your wrong but still think that given the subjective nature that 2 points swings are reasonable, especially close to the mean (ie a 4 vs a 6), but at the ends of the spectrum there is far less movement. If we say 5 is the mean, 1SD = 4-6, 2SD=2-8 (thus 7-8's makes up 13.6% of given population), 3SD=1-9 (thus 9's are 2.1%) & 10 are black swans, then 2 points on the scale roughly equals a change in 1SD, with bias for movement at the ends (I think going to such details is silly b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 10:48 AM
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Sound like your line of thinking comes from mismanaged expectations. If you have high expectations then it's easy to be disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 06:53 AM
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Pssst, scroll to other comments ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 09:39 PM
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Checked, that actually does register as normal
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 09:23 PM
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I hear they are very difficult to give birth to
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 09:20 PM
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Or maybe, and this is just a crazy thought I'm putting out there... the opinions of reddit don't mean much and it's probably productive for a married couple to like talk about the seriousness of the problem without considering reddit. I understand your point, but the suggestion remains sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 09:14 PM
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Do you have any other interesting not well known fact on De Niro?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 09:08 PM
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IKR, I don't know what kind of people are here or whose married but my view is that your vow isn't just to the other person, it's also to yourself. And it's for life in general, I can't think of more beta behaviour then someone not even keeping to their own principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 09:03 PM
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I'm glad to have empowered you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 08:54 PM
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That may be the approach used, I don't have a PhD on the subject so I don't know, I was just curious of where I was on the scale now and before I married so I googled redpill girl scale and got an image which seemed like a good measurement. Having some objective criteria, even in a subjective realm like attractiveness is useful in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 08:53 PM
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I guess the question is do you man up and leave or do you break your vow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 08:43 PM
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What a great comment. Well done.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 08:29 PM
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Perhaps reddit is just full of honourable young men who feel compelled to come to a damsel in distress to ensure she doesn't go to the bad part of town but believe that a man as there strong and nobel reddit brethren are suited to handle any challenges. Let's await the comments to test my hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 08:27 PM
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Perhaps but it's apparently a RP scale. That's the numbers and that's the qualifiers. I get the 6 being average idea but if we have 10 numbers then 5 does sit in the middle. IMHO in terms of categorization it's pretty descent, it just sounds bad if you think 5 is low. but I believe that there's like a 2 point st.dev based on preferences (beep bop boop I know),
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 08:19 PM
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That's three questions not 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 07:24 PM
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Me too, 5 is average, 6 somewhat attractive, 7 Definitely attractive, 8 very attractive to everyone, 9 supermodel looks, 10 a 9 which matches your preference.. Imho a 7 is a catch most guys on reddit don't get. Maybe they need to go lift
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 06:35 PM
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Semi related opinion: tv shows are trying to hard to be inclusive with diversity. On your last paragraph on anal: I think it's a mix of feeling, taboo, and power. On lebians: guys like 1 girl guys like 2 girls guys like 3 girls. As others mentioned I think it goes to polygamy nature
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 06:28 PM
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Dude, its Reddit none of this matters. But, my statement is a necessarily true logic statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 03:14 PM
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yes. That is why researchers control for body size in their studies.
/r/RedPillWomen11/06/18 03:04 PM
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Do you believe that for a women to file for divorce a necessary precondition is that she no longer wants to be married to the man to whom she married?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 03:00 PM
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Ok. But this has nothing to do with my assessment of the statement nor does it dispute it so what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 02:25 PM
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Interesting moral judgement. But how is the sentence not self explanatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 02:13 PM
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Why would anyone want to spend time on any pill? Why here, why there? Yes. They are weird, RP is weird, Here is weird. "Cherry pick" - I mean, go right now to RP sub and pick the 7th newest article and tell me the contents, im guessing its not going to be flattering. You point out that they notices losers and stayed to criticize them, and now this post criticizes the sub that criticizes the sub. Maybe just for the meta post a sub in BP about this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 02:08 PM
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Well its overall secondary to my main point. I know there are several examples here in Europe where the credit crunch shrunk house prices and the people that wanted a divorce but couldn't absorb the cost stayed together as they couldn't afford not to until economic recovery. Quickly googling it for the US I come across a blog (so a grain of salt on validity but an indication) https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-marriage-divide-how-and-why-working-class-families-are-more-fragile-today I'd agree that l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 12:08 PM
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I would agree that cheating is more likely related to the physical attraction to another and/or neglect from the partner. This is a logic necessity as cheating doesn't gain any additional resources or status. I can't debate you on what you have seen, but I feel rather confident that if I put in the energy I could find several articles that show correlation between wealth and divorce, where at the lowest end people stay together as a pure survival necessity, that as wealth rises they have the mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 10:31 AM
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OK, and if we take an exact opposite assumption, that a woman has a natural and subconscious mechanism to be "taken care of" by a man, financially (ie positive beta male characteristic), Having achieved marrying a sexual dominant man but living in poverty, the same statement made above applies. its a fully coherent and self standing statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 10:10 AM
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To restate your argument: By the time women are ready to settle down, ..., they may settle for a man who does not satisfy her [compared to others] Isn't this alone, a woman becoming aware that she settled for a man she does not want, rather a self explanatory reason for filing for a divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 09:50 AM
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State-of-the-art only means rescent ;). It's not my specialization, and I dont know if you are disagreeing with what I stated. A year ago I did some research as part of a paper on education methods and wanted to understand the brain as it seemed like an important component to the topic... The studies I used to assemble information above are: Haier et al. (2004), Cosgrove et al. (2007), Elsevier (2010), and Paul et al, (2016) To me it sounds like you are still describing different but equal; as s…
/r/RedPillWomen11/06/18 09:07 AM
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I also had to come over a bump to get there. For me on deferring to my Husband, It wasn't a feeling but a thought process: If there is a decision to make on a pathway to take then how are decisions made. If its a single individual then they assess the options and follow what they deem best. If it is a group, then it can either be led by an individual, by a group, or by vote (democracy). But, when there are only 2 people involved there is no conflict decision making mechanism possible. If both si…
/r/RedPillWomen11/06/18 08:55 AM
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I would consider myself a feminist but would consider that the 'movement' has gotten away from itself. I think it goes towards what you claim your worry to be: I'm just worried as I let go into this that there is in fact a patriarchy and that I am being internally misogynistic by acting in RP relevant ways. Has anyone here ever felt the same fears? How did you deal with them? It's my view that the feminist movement has perverted the idea of patriarchy and its no longer a meaningful term. If we l…
/r/RedPillWomen11/06/18 08:41 AM
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To add/adjust to your point: A man's skull is typically larger than a woman's skull to have some more cushion for impact. This would mean that a women's physical structure is inferior to that of a man's when faced with a scenario that can lead to head injury. Studies have shown that (on average) the male brain is ~2% larger then the female brain (controlled for body size). However, the female brain has been show to have greater cortical thickness, complexity, and surface area (controlling for bo…
/r/RedPillWomen11/06/18 08:20 AM
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G'Morning, You didn't bite at my last message. I would put forward that it followed the line of reasoning of objectification. (if not, then with the correct adjustments it could have been.) I think that if we were to explore the definition provided that we could arrive to a point where every interaction is a form of objectification, or, that it falls into a subjective realm (which I could agree to). In other words, that your statement: Except for the few men out there who can truly be attracted …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/18 07:54 AM
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Hmmm, I'm not sure how to drill down farther then. I've only been active on PPD for about a week, thought it would be useful and interesting for myself to try and engage in a more advanced article. I find your ability to work through the argument very alluring, its a good mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 09:51 PM
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I do not understand, the statements have elements of the positive and of the negative, which should it fit into?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 09:30 PM
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There is a logic gap between these two, how do we deal with: see's variables as good, of benefit to self, and acknowledges persons experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 09:26 PM
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Back to the positive/negative descriptions for this detail, is this accurate adjustment, should the negative scenario be adjusted as well? Positive: he sees intelligence and good personality as qualities and acknowledges the individual gained these through life experiences 'of some sort' Negative: he sees intelligence and good personality as qualities that benefit him and are worth seeking (separated from what they belong to) (without acknowledging the individual gained these through life experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 09:17 PM
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Acknowledging that a history exists or knowing that history? (I'm not sure how one would not know that a person knowledgeable on anatomy did not have a history of learning anatomy)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 09:02 PM
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What does "parts of an entire whole" mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:56 PM
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How would a positive interpretation look and how would a negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:46 PM
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I met my husband online. We chatted on messenger at the time. We did not exchange pictures. Through chatting we began to like eachother, if he had told me, "I find an intelligent woman with a great personality so sexy" Has objectification occurred?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:44 PM
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You don't mind this q&a approach do you? I find it an interesting way to define the boundaries. If the ad had read differently, had it said, "iq 120, charming personality" would that had been different?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:29 PM
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And this is because they have considered the characteristics to be attractive to them? Or because cultural pressures are at the root of the reason why the woman placed this specific information in the ad?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:24 PM
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I would agree, and thank goodness because otherwise the definitions would be literally evreything and that would be difficult. What about a description of the physical woman. When I was young I remember people put dating ads in the newspaper, it might read "f 22, blonde skinny former supermodel looks for.." A guy reading this and thinking they'd desire that person, have they objectified the female in question
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:11 PM
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Hmm, this doesn't provide clarity to what I'm trying to get at. Not intent, but internal process of the mind, i think I know the answer from the rest of your post, but to make sure: If a man read your post, never seeing or interacting with you, then felt pitty or love for you, has objectification occurred?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:04 PM
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As a tool for the objectifiers purpose, do you understand that as purely physical interaction or does it include concepts? If the man's purpose was "love" or "pity" are those within scope?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 07:54 PM
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Do you believe objectification requires any of the listed definitions or all of them? Can the same be said for women towards men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 07:44 PM
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In the western world it is vale signalling and nothing more. Thus meaningless. It's singular only useful aspect is to signal that the blogs going to be biased or the article is going to be conceptually wrong or methodologically wrong or downright rejection of the scientific method. I could provide a more nuances explanation but no article that has the word patriarchy bothers so why should I.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 06:37 PM
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Patriarchy, attack on womens self esteem, white man justifications, rape culture, loose facts between those statements. Yup, the usual unimpressive arguments with enough virtue signalling for me to question even the facts I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 06:32 PM
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Not wrong because it's a meaningless word that intellectual inferiors use to blame things on
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 05:32 PM
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Of course there is. It's part of nature, it's all of the usual flirting techniques, and it's always happening. If I am at a social event with my husband and he is being entertaining you can see the body language of younger girls sending signals sometimes more overt then others, even if they are with someone. People can't help it it's pat of nature. And when you see others do it for "your" possession you compete back. If you pay attention you will see it happens all thetime
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 04:21 PM
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Would be great but it's out of the scope of this debate. Instead let's keep inline with the core debate topic on where babies come from. I posit the following: they come from storks. It has nothing to do with sex. What is your counter argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 10:55 PM
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If you want to debate the virtue of female hypergamy and how it benefits women marrying up to a strong man in his 30's with a career I'd be on your side you doorknob. I'm not challenging your ideas, I'm challenging your intelligence and inability to make a correct post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 10:32 PM
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Uhm. Were you not hugged enough as a child or something? How are we going to debate this? I'll try: no sex has nothing to do with babies. Counter: where do babies come from. Response: damn, you got me. Dude, do whatever you want, none of us care. Are we supposed to debate the morality of your personal view on when you want to have kids? Why is anything relevant to the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 10:22 PM
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You have hit several nails on the head. There is nothing weak about talking of concerns or limitations. Of course if they are routinely crying or depressed on it then that's something else but that's not been my experience. With my husband, I find that where I express and feel my feelings about other things towards him but he "describes" his towards me. It took me awhile to get used to that, and I don't know if it's common. He just takes a super calm rational approach, describes the problem that…
/r/RedPillWomen09/06/18 09:09 PM
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Buy Apple and Google stocks,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 07:31 PM
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Hypergamy is that women will seek for a mate of a superior class based on x criteria. I don't see how disputing the 80/20 rule and median results is a change to that? Perhaps I miss the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 05:53 PM
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I've been to America once. I need no study to tell you that your hypothesis is wrong and significantly more people of both sexes are far far larger. It's truly a bizaro place to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 05:49 PM
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So this sub has men posting in other languages now?... ok good to know.
/r/RedPillWomen09/06/18 05:15 PM
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Well your cmv is on prohibition and that's a legal thing. So if the tech existed and passed whatever health and safety was needed then it would be available to the market. You list reasons why you think this is bad. I believe the burden to describe the mechanism where you would ban a person lays with you. We can then continue with the couple that use it and break up and what the man's rights are etc. If they are banned there then must be banned in current custody. "Controversy everywhere" isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:35 PM
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What would the legal justification be to discriminate a group of individuals? Pick whichever country you want and explain to me how the legal system supports that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 03:30 PM
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Tl;Dr?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 03:27 PM
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Maybe your only attracted to women whose gene #484627395947 Has sequence acgt. And that manifests in different looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 03:25 PM
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Did I misread the abstract? Not making a claim one way or the other on your points. Honest use of facts is the only true RP that can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 03:21 PM
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"Gender Identity" .... You mean gender right? ;) :p
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 03:19 PM
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*same gendered parent study.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 03:09 PM
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I'd say because there's some top level RP ideas, and communities that practice RP and apply those rules in different ways. Stated alternatively, several betas spend their time coming to play on reddit and ask eachother if they lifted or not and that they probably should have lifted. Others, those attracted to alphas come here and engage in the truths ignoring their beta behaviour. Not nice to be lumped in with those wannabee's ya know?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 03:05 PM
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Can you provide your estimate of a reasonable amount (%) that used to be in box 4 and have now moved to box 2? Additionally where would you place women in these questions, what boxes? Have they changes? By how much? Lastly, are we looking at sex for enjoyment or procreation? I'm thinking the latter. Would you place the importance both sexes place on offspring equal or is one greater and by how much? Fyi I don't k ow what I am arguing yet, I'm simply trying to define the game so we can then see i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 12:37 PM
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Has the percentage of men allocated to those two boxes been constant and is it still the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 11:54 AM
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Where are we now? Where were we 70 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 11:36 AM
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There's many different problems with the idea. I'd say if it's evolution we have a basic idea of what helps and it's differences. But that's for baby's what it is for the relationship I don't accept. Perhaps a useful tool when you find someone you like to know if they are prone to a genetic disorder of some sort. But that's going to head in the opposite direction OP wants... more reasons to exclude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 11:26 AM
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I'd agree they don't have much in common and matching would be difficult for a relationship, but if were talking purely DNA then it's not much a problem. Perhaps a better extreme would be a Japan isolationist and aboriginal American. Both were genetic separated and isolated along time ago. I'd bet there's no DNA issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 11:13 AM
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I think it's the opposite... too much similar DNA causes problems...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 11:03 AM
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I dont have a depth of understanding of biology... What does "genetic compatibility" mean? The website seems to suggest that it is "similar DNA". Wouldn't this imply that a male-female twin would have a 100% match and thus the maximum perfect partner for a relationship would be that person siblings? My understanding of evolution was you wanted to exchange different DNA's, two people with different immune systems makes baby with super immune systems etc. I have no depth of knowledge in this topic…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 10:03 AM
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Hmmm, as merely the 'maturest teenager in the house' it looks like backwards induction is difficult for me. I am still not positive of the point, but in the context of OP's argument I think its valid as I would have to accept that idea as its his proposed 'worst case'. I have edited original thread
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 09:56 AM
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When I first typed it I had done that. But I switched it under the thinking that each group is following their default biological nature and allowing the other to do so as well so that would be a cooperative game. If we both deny the other to play their biological nature then that would be cutthroat. and the underlying context of OP is 'hypergamy, the biological nature of women, is out of control' I understand your point, it was my default as well, but is the line of thinking above accurate? or …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 09:02 AM
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If we could make sex bots at the level of sophistication you are describing (stepford wives) do you have any idea how fundamentally different our society would be? Completely ignoring any sexual aspects of it, you are speaking of robots that look like, act, and can do all the same things which people currently do. The economy would be radically different, the concept of "work" itself would be radically different. Trying to describe how this effects relationships in this context is insane. ITs no…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 08:16 AM
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If you were to describe this as a non-zero-sum prisoners dilemma game, how would you conceptualize that? I am thinking (don't know just taking a stab at it, anyone who can define it better join in): Box 1: (-1,-1) = NO Male Polygamy + NO Female Hypergamy Box 2: (-3,0) = No Male Polygamy + Female Hypergamy Box 3: (0,-3) = Male Polygamy + NO Female Hypergamy Box 4: (-2,-2) = Male Polygamy + Female Hypergamy And, that your argument is that the current society is (at the macro level) Box 2, and some…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 07:51 AM
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tl;dr - OP wants sex robot, is trying to recruit people to join that field.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 07:41 AM
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To think along, having a second door and making part of the house a live in apartment may allow you both independence as well as be able to care for them. Or selling that house and buying another where that can be done. I assume this may continue for awhile still.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 06:34 AM
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Can confirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 06:14 AM
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Ok... But I do... and my statement even shows I do as it says how I as an individual benefit from the losses around me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 06:11 AM
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Not with that kind of attitude, that's for sure. I feel confident with my chances, my wealth is secure and liquidable, I might even be able to capitalize if land and stocks crash.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 12:01 AM
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I am no military expert, but, intuitvely I would say sending in troops one by one sounda like a terrible strategy. Our victory is that much more ensured.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 11:50 PM
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You should consider emmigrating. It doesnt sound lile a nice place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:36 PM
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I am unsure of your argument. But, I doubt you'd disagree with the idea that giving a struggling child a dedicated teacher would probably explain a better result. Tho I agree, Americans are a strange group of folks indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:26 PM
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I read an interesting oecd article the other day that explained why Finland does so well in education. When you look at the data the lowest quintile does better then that of others. Simply put, a stupid Fin = an average Dane (or any other nationality). They do this by offering additional help to bad performing students. So there is merit in the idea that helping those at 0 and at the bottom provides a statistical better QoL better future tax base etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:16 PM
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To add to the hypothesis, if you were to model this in a study you'd have to include a time lag so the "when it starts" stat is ok. Common practice with many studies on labour unions etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:13 PM
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Ah just checking if that was the case. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:09 PM
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Are you advocating it is something which needs or which should be constrained in any manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:05 PM
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Ah well the context of the conversation is "not gettin' n e" so I assumed your focus was unique to that. I'd support your statement on the new societal cleavage being routed in economics, Kriesi et al has a substantial work on the subject (2014ish I think). Those problems should be fixed and education seems like the most likely variable to intervene in. My position remains the same though, if they want war... My side will win :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:30 PM
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Apologies I thought you were advocating a supportive position that a continuation of the proposed trend would result in a revolution by a group. As I see no acceptable solution that doesn't infringe on others rights. So if they want a revolution then let them. It will be the lamest group to ever mount an insurrection and they will be quickly dealt with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:17 PM
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42
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:07 PM
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If you poor lot want to try a revolution go for it. You will be crushed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:02 PM
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Can confirm. Men are grosser now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:59 PM
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Didn't you Americans start a global recession around that time
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:58 PM
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Words order in good placed makes help understanding of readers easier. Ffs, Know this everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 04:01 PM
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You understood parts of this? Explain plz
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 03:07 PM
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Well it depends on what's motivating him. To me director level means 2nd or 3rd from top and 120k+ per year. If he is doing it for the money well on an hourly basis a job of 60k and 8 hrs per day is equivilant. If it's for respect and advancement then you won't be able to. I think concern is ok... asking how long he thinks he can keep it up and if it's worth it. Sometimes men can get blinded in busyness and helping reflect upon it can be help. But in a constructive way. Supporting him if he is g…
/r/RedPillWomen08/06/18 02:30 PM
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My husband works at a very senior level and one of his sayings is that if he can't get his job done in 8-10 hours then either he's doing something very wrong or the company is. But your bf is still young and climbing so maybe it's ok but that's not sustainable for him. (More me knowing what my husband would advise him...) I don't really have a solution as the amount he works plus sleep leaves so little time that I don't see how it could be fulfilling. Training sounds wrong but I see it more abst…
/r/RedPillWomen08/06/18 02:00 PM
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Hi, I'm 34, husband is 37, married for 9+ years, dated/engaged 2 years prior to that. No kids yet, but plan to start in next couple of years. I work in basic HR / admin. Husband is highly educated executive. We are in Europe and immigrating to Canada later this year. Grew up traditional. Husband grew up N/A (dont know how to say it, he wasnt traditional not progressive just blank and figured it out himself). A few months ago I started researching men online to try and understand my husband more …
/r/RedPillWives08/06/18 12:32 PM
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A valid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:48 AM
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& females slave to their desires and condition, so goes the circle round that allows strategy to exist. If the 2 men had prepared themselves to have the capacity to act, had the bravery to act, and had the intelligence to act, then the story would be different, any time a woman google those names they would get that result, that would add to their credibility and improve their SMV - The truest of Alpha of course calculating that possibility ahead of time and seeing possible socioeconomic gains f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:41 AM
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My interpretation of the story: Woman was attacked in front of 2 weak betas who did nothing. An Alpha further up in the train saw it happening and to the best of His ability came to assert dominance over his surroundings. Woman chooses to focus on race instead of the true nature of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:04 AM
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In terms of flipping the script, your three statements COULD be accurate but that is dependent upon your view on the State Of Nature. If you accept a Hobbian view (life is nasty, brutish and short) then it is likely that the statements are true. But the State of nature is not an actual state but a conceptualization to explain society. The nuanced position being that there is our natural state and our reasoned state which mitigates those views.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:21 AM
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It sounds like an excellent moderator variable that reinforced the observable biological evolution our ancestors noticed not only within themselves but across various mammals and even specie's. I also don't see it as a negative trait. It makes complete sense to me that one would seek out "best". That doesn't discount the idea of the feeling of love or anything else, those feelings may just be the manifestation of our evolution. It's not a computer with perfect calculations and when you need to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 05:56 AM
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I am against eugenics as well, and am essentially arguing a similar to existing system as being the optimal solution. I am for natural selection and survival of the fittest which is how our current system works. There are both males and females who lose. Those who have DNA traits that cause a thiroid problem that cause sever obesidie or similar examples eventually are weeded out - in part by mates not selecting them and in part by their 'animal' instincts loosing interest because of their weaken…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 10:37 PM
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I am 34. It is very old so I have great wisdom. If I met him in a random lineup with zero interactions I would say he was attractive. If I saw him when he is showing his game and working a room and displaying his power then I would be busy fighting with a bunch of other young women to get close to him. Power IS SMV ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 09:59 PM
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You are not disagreeing with me. I am saying a person that is so insecure that they care about the balding is already weak. My husband's hairline is higher then it was a decade ago but he is to busy being a leader of men then looking at his hair and makeup in a mirror or whatever it is men apparently try to do to look pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 09:44 PM
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I think its odd to suggest an 'education for girls to improve outcome for men' but am guessing the basic intent is how society should be structured which resulted in the best setup for passing on genes (and that this is something which is different then 'sex outcomes' as a raw number of sex held with protected partners. I posit that the ideal system is something very similar to what currently exists. It is undoubtable that the optimum system MUST centers around female hypergamy (defined as enter…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 09:31 PM
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Dude, you can see my flaire, why are you ranting. Your methodology is poor, go learn, improve yourself increase your smv.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 07:55 PM
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But why? Why choose ignorance over truth? JP advocates for truth so why choose to put yourself out of balance. At least if you were purple you'd accept the scientific reality of rp and could continue virtue signalling. But really? Wilful blue ignorance from a JP supporter? I don't even know how it's possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 07:34 PM
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lol, the irony ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 07:26 PM
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Your scientific methodology is so poor that your test is completely meaningless. Please research how to conduct experiments and then provide an articulated post on the findings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 07:20 PM
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For me it would be a deal breaker. I don't see it as increasing smv. I see it as vanity of a man that doesn't have the charisma or natural characteristics to lead and whatever positive that created on looks is wiped away by their clear show of weakness. Of course if I never knew and it looked natural it would probably have a slight positive impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 07:15 PM
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Just for clarity (and not meant as mean) his aimlessness is because your not giving him a target, or even an arrow for that matter. It is too conceptual. I also do not know what it is you want, what the final objective is. "I want outfits", "I want romance" "I want bondage" or whatever possible thing is the outcome of the figuring out is the want, what you are describing is wanting to figure out the want. That's on you because it only can be.
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 06:35 PM
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How does JP's opponents describe him? Has he had financial, popularity, and professional gain? Can u just tell me when you are ready to take the redpill? Will make this all quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 06:32 PM
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And this is precisely the argument used against JP is it not? A group is claiming that what he is doing is hateful and you not do that unto them. I'm a reasonable person, if you have a general law that can apply consistently to JP's case and the case you are making I will accept it. But, I know that this will be a logic impossibility. I'd suggest that what you are doing is exactly the same as what they are doing. Your feelings do not matter, they are no basis for dictating behavior or allocating…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 06:06 PM
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Hmm. interesting. I am cleanly confused. If we were to put this into a general principal or law so I would know when it applies, how would that be defined? It seems important to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:45 PM
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Has JP started using those gender neutral pronouns now? Or, is he and his group continuing to reject the ethics placed on him (and in fact codified into law) by the ethics of a different group? Or, is it the principal shifts depending on what your view is at the time, and whose view should I look out for then. Terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:38 PM
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The view to identify a group which must be controlled as they do not conform to the ethics "you"/"your group" have defined leads to a much different outcome then you suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:25 PM
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Agreed, I dont know the correct 'methodology' in this respect... but value is value, - maybe due to differences in how the sexes build up their respective rank
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:21 PM
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What a terrifying viewpoint you hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 05:04 PM
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hahaha
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 04:52 PM
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That is not a beef with hypergamy, that is a beef with idiots. I cannot help that they exist. Words have definitions, there can be normative interpretations, ie "democracy" for some can mean prosperity etc. but a word has a core meaning. Hypergamy cannot mean polygamy, I cant defend anything beyond that. I would agree with your definition as its the definition of the word... If you understand SMV to include socio-economic conditions then saying its soley above in SMV would also be acceptable as …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 04:50 PM
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I am going to give you some opposite advice. Men like to solve problems and to do this they need to be given a brief summary of what the main issues are. For him to help you figure it out he needs some sort of actionable problem. (I unfortunately do this to my husband all the time where I am figuring it out and never expressing what the problem is or what I want or need. From what you said in post, "I wish sex was playful and explorative" - so describing what those mean and then speaking to him …
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 04:27 PM
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"He needs to read..." doesn't sound like a good strategy to me.
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 04:17 PM
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Do you have a specific disability in mind?
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 04:09 PM
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It depends on the disability. For example I don't know if deafness is inherited but I would say a deaf girl has higher smv then a person missing an arm as that's a physical visible thing. It's only a matter of time until a guy offers the suggestion that a mute would increase smv
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 04:05 PM
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Phew.. It involved some mental gymnastics for me to figure it out :)
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 03:59 PM
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They are welcome to think the idea is ridiculous, that doesn't dispute if it exists. that men and women are the exact same in terms of how they love or choose partners I suppose a start is a proof that men and women choose partners on the same criteria. Moreover, they need to prove that neuroscience if wrong. The male and female brains (things responsible for thinking and feeling) are structurally different and they operate very differently to arrive at near similar intelligent levels (ie male b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 03:54 PM
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Because it falls under the umbrella of the denial of truth. A group that takes a scientific claim then analyzes this and incorrectly (and knowingly) makes a second claim based upon this is committing an immoral act. Whatever action ('application') is associated from that second claim is linked to the falsehood that was derived when the claim was created. It may even be that the first 'sin' of description is worse then the second of the application as the latter can claim naiveté / ignorance. It …
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 02:51 PM
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A third possibility is that the described pain is more an irritation then an agony. It could be explained well and he could still care.
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 02:16 PM
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Yes. I will be the one making him cry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 01:57 PM
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Men and women stop mentally maturing at the age of ~25 when the prefrontal cortex is completed in trimming grey matter (obviously individual variation). This is scientifically proven beyond doubt. So I would partially agree with you. However, I do believe the general observation that women are superior on understanding and expressing emotions over men who are in general better in logic processes. These specializations have different uses in modern civil society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 01:52 PM
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This is a broad question as a specific idea to be disproved is not mentioned. So I can only give a broad answer. I would need an argument that at a minimum includes a synthesis of a rationalist approach and a hard science. An argument that takes only a culturalist or structuralist approach (or combines only those two sides) is not sufficient. The argument has to have a good concept, be properly operationalized and then proven (probabilistic over deterministic is fine). As for descriptive statist…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 01:28 PM
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an illustrative subset. Thanks, got it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 01:01 PM
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If you agree with Red theory on dominance hierarchy and how the sexes handle them, then how is mixed theory any different? I can see it in 2 ways; RP hierarchy is a generalized statistics and the mixed theory is zooming in on a single element of that statistic, ie 'cycling market' where the same phenomenon exists, There is a meta-hierarchy at play, the cycle hierarchy displays the fundamental market activities, above it is the motorcycle market which acts independently but people shift from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:47 PM
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I would first go back to the symbolism. Red pill is knowledge of the truth and blue is chosen ignorance. "Redpill theories" have a degree of diversity where different groups take the knowledge of true knowledge and decide to apply this in their specific way with their specific area. But, the fundamental knowledge remains true. My beliefs are entrenched within that framework that there are truths which can be known. There is no common ground possible outside of this. If a BP agrees then they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 12:21 PM
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Red pill is truth. Truth is based on science and reason. People here are more open to some form of logical thought, thus they are red. They only fear being lumped in with some of the statements of reds - its understandable but a far more attractive evil to be in then the SJW wackos.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 11:50 AM
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No Depression is not an attractive trait. No Anxiety is not an attractive trait. No low self-esteem is not an attractive trait. No Crying does not mean he is less attractive. But it is obviously situational, you cry because your dog died, or anything that a normal person would basically think "thats heavy" then NO, if its that he cries up at a sad film even then NO. If its because his shoes are dirty or some trivial stuff then YES (though worth looking what underlying issue is) The less masculin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 11:37 AM
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Honestly it sounds like you are doing alot of things right. But its never a problem to be more healthy so evrey improvement there is always good. Not to sound harsh against him but he is slipping. He is to busy to do healthy things but has time to play video games all day Saturday shows he is making a choice on how to reduce the study stress. He has time but is not choosing to utilise it well, if he was on RP they'd say stop the games and go lift. I get that studying can be a lot, my husband ret…
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 11:04 AM
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If you were not your boyfriends type... then why did he select to be with you? I'm sure if I gave that description to my husband he would also say that is his type... "Hot babes" are hot. I think alot of what you described is literally cosmetic. You may not want to give that appearance at a job or school or even a party, but it sounds like it would be pretty easy to get in that look for an evening / weekend etc.
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 10:18 AM
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Out of curiosity, you say he has become less physically active, but is that also true for you? Often a behavior change in one might be common in both. I think there is an internal desire for sex, and an external attraction factor. I find that if I am staying healthy, eating right, working out, that I have a greater interest in sex. This makes biological sense as the mammal that feels sick, is obese and cant keep up with the heard, etc. tells itself not to procreate. So on the one side, if you ar…
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 10:13 AM
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Many things are possible. So, I guess. I have no idea on your situation, but you received some good advice above on some approaches.
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 10:03 AM
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Well the problem you describe for your situation is that there is no core biological difference in you being the selector of a mate and the selected mate. Ironically you could say AWALT, you are literally the same sex. If there was some type of biological sub-category existing within the group, then some natural AWALTish phenomenon would arise. I don't know what those groups are but if you had "short hair dyke" category which displayed masculine qualities and "blonde princess" that displayed fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 09:53 AM
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Well in your post you said "...sounds un-pc...", which is a more BP concern, this person is taking a RP analysis and misapplying it. That is not honest. Simply accepting that the market is absolute, and there's an exchange of what you both supply to each other and demand from one another is what is at play. We can pretend to be PC and say no no love is the only thing and we all pick our partners based on random nothingness but its simply not true or useful. From my other comment, you've already …
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 09:02 AM
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Most things are amoral and morality itself, even in action, is subjective - it changes across time and locations. The act of slavery is considered morally wrong, but thousands of years ago it was natural that the strong control the weak. For me, TRP is about truth, and truth is about scientific reality. What is immoral is the denial of truth, or the misuse and/or over simplification of science to provide a false justification of a point of view. Thus, though I agree that TRP is amoral as a scien…
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 08:50 AM
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Hi, Welcome, First, good job on you being you and for deciding to ask questions from the other side - its an excellent redpill approach to search for truth instead of blindly following unfounded beliefs. AWALT shouldn't be meant literally. This is not communist Russia, "everything, always, all the time" is not the intent. Perhaps its easiest to see as highly likely events that across time will most will likely occur. I'm sure someone could put it in a model and determine a 95% confidence interva…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 07:58 AM
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If you are going to take a transactional analysis then your starting point of "all a woman can want" is flawed. He is doing the opposite... not providing any form of financial security or assistance and his activities are actively hurting OP's ability to provide for herself and advance. On every level you are incorrect on the transaction deficiency
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 06:39 AM
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So, he has traditional values, is shy, == except to you == and not 'stereo typically good looking'. I am guessing that the 'stereo typical' qualifier means "others might find his x attribute a minus but its a preference to me." For simplicity, perhaps the following is accurate: "Others would rate him physically a 5 or 6, based on my preferences I would say he is a 6.5" (An objective scale on a subjective matter is meaningless but still useful for communication) - If you factor in his other socio…
/r/RedPillWomen07/06/18 05:58 AM
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Your post on red pill women is very interesting. Guess I should have gone into marketing. Thanks for the perspective, though you probably understand that the guys perspective on the topic is not exactly a ground breaking discovery ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 09:21 PM
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If its purely on physical merits I would say we are about equal, but he is slightly higher. Include socio-economics, ages, and other points of subjectiveness/preferences 2-3 points.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 08:51 PM
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OP Listen to this man! You clearly already see the RP of understanding what needs to be fixed is the right choice, not BP'ing that everything is ok and others should change. That's already the first step. Fitness pal is very useful, focus your energy on eating well and living well and that will also help your mental health. Set goals. Even if guys or ratings weren't in the picture OP you deserve the best from life and it starts with the vessel that takes you move in throughout it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 08:27 PM
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Can hypergamy be understood as a direct consequence of the submissive instinct? IMHO these are opposites. You say "defined as the female need to find a partner that is above herself" but I think this is a bad simplification. First, the criteria can be any material or immaterial value, BUT they all are related to competitive advantage. The big cave man (I heard he lifted) was attractive, but the slightly smaller one (lifted a bit less I guess) who could make fire was pretty useful to have around.…
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 07:45 PM
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From some of your other comments I don't know if RP is compatible (ie woman leading man). I dont really believe in absolutes. Sometimes my husband will take a break from leading, or sometimes I lead on a particular field in our partnership (ie social contacts) or sometimes he gives me the illusion that I am leading but the basics are already worked out. But liking to boss around all the time on all things just isnt RP so I dont see a real answer there. If I had to stretch the idea though - if my…
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 07:20 PM
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I get the point and I'm not disagreeing, but to be precise I said, 90-10 thinking it's a bad idea... he might provide a convincing argument to change thinking or at the most extreme "decide" on the action, but I definitely decide what I think (or at least I think I do ;) )
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 05:58 PM
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Those are already available to him ;)
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 05:49 PM
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I had the same confusion, English isn't my mother language but I understand now, it's a conditional statement. Thanks for clarifying
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 05:47 PM
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Well the questions only lead to one possible answer, obviously he doesnt want me to be a martyr or he wouldnt have put up with me for the last years (not all bad or anything but I should have been so much better). What this has all made very clear to me is that I was too busy focusing on a solution (with some excitement for thinking of one) without really understanding the problem I was trying to fix. And, I think its more then just 'not knowing how to compete with his selfishness'. It feels lik…
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 11:22 AM
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Not making this a surprise or informing my captain is probably the best advice across the thread. I had it stuck in my head that I need to plan everything out and not worry him with it but its been more and more clear that I am probably not capable of doing it right without causing major damage. Before the post I was really uncertain and at 50-50, I am still not sure but am like 90-10 thinking its a bad idea in general and 100-0 a bad idea to do it myself. Thanks
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 10:42 AM
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Thanks for your input, you are welcome to your views and I respect that you have your perspective, but I disagree with some of your outlooks and believe they are oversimplified. I accept RPW ideas, but that doesn't mean that your (or even if its the majority of peoples) interpretation of those are absolute or are correct. If that was the standard then we could all switch to the blue pill now! The Market is absolute, but one market doesn't live in isolation of other markets and (I believe) you un…
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 10:37 AM
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All of your points are good and important to consider especially #3 and #5, after reading the replies of others I think my post came off as being overly naive of the difficulties and problems. I'm not blind to the problems, its more an idea like 'my sacrifice' for the relationship but the worry that it becomes a sacrifice of the relationship because I didn't think through. Just trying not to fail :)
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 09:34 AM
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I don't know if I have bi curiosities, I can find women very attractive and occasionally I can fantasize but I don't know how in reality it would be (i'm guessing in the awkward arena). You have a lot of other good points on the logistics of what how who etc. but I think that gets ahead of itself as I'm uncertain if its a good idea or not so first trying to figure that out. I do agree with you that the other girl is a person too and that how it affects them etc is important (not just for them, b…
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 09:10 AM
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So I read your post, then reread mine, and I admit I sound like a complete ditz. I reread myself and can see the; "Like wow OMG, I like need a present, like maybe a threesome is good"... I can definitely be 'bubbly' at times but I am thinking things through, and can't explain everything from a 10 year relationship into a small post. You would probably think the other reasons are equally wrong, and they are more to deal with feelings then rationality. A big one is that for our last anniversary we…
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 09:02 AM
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Hi, Thanks for the tip, I understand the logic and that the suggestion is based on minimizing potential risk so in that way its a good approach. For our situation I don't think it works. We are actually immigrating to the west-coast later this year from the Netherlands - where we have legal prostitution - and though foreigners often think "Amsterdam cool, smoke weed and go to the red light district", culturally its something seen for tourists and the lower class. I think my husband has internali…
/r/RedPillWomen06/06/18 07:48 AM
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That is not what I suggested. The situation warrants a degree of caution as I mentioned in the other reply :). I agree it sucks to be the First to date someone like that after a long term breakup.
/r/RedPillWomen05/06/18 08:50 PM
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I didn't mean that the past was a red flag... but the crying and immediate clinginess. It doesn't scream leadership and independence but that's why I said the situation may warrant it. But only you can tell really. I don't want to sound tough on him because a breakup can be rough but there's the risk he is just looking to get back to normalcy (committed relationship) and you ranked higher then the other girl (subcontious calculation). It could work to your advantage or be a problem on it's own (…
/r/RedPillWomen05/06/18 08:39 PM
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He sounds very needy... Though even strong men can have moments of weakness and coming out of a 9 year marriage into this wacko dating WORLD might be explanatory, it's a red flag Edited: world auto corrected left incorrect impression:/
/r/RedPillWomen05/06/18 07:13 PM
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No. They don't finish last but they are not coming in first. But it depends on what you include in "nice"... If you are going to continue to apologize and be weak then it's not attractive on the opposite side if your a 9+ and are outright mean your scores gonna drop. Also depends on what you believe the finish is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 05:52 PM
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I also thought of it in that way. Perhaps it's a good teaching opportunity to explain to her how to compliment better instead of focusing on herself and her feelings like that statement.
/r/askMRP05/06/18 05:31 PM
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I have the same problem with ambiguity. My husband is far more rational then I am and able to live with uncertainty. For example for the last few years we have been working on emigrating but the timeline wasn't clear because it depended on various things from his work, from application process etc. He is always patient with me and tries to comfort me because it's such a big step and he will explain it depends on x number of things. I feel like I need to ask and need to know... but that asking hi…
/r/RedPillWomen05/06/18 05:03 PM
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Game is everything. Game/Charisma/Intelligence is the most important variable - even if the 6'3 guy is 'reasonably' charismatic, if the lower rated man has more game then he will pull ahead. I've only been looking into RP for the last month or so to try and understand some aspects of my husband more (he isn't any sort of 'pill' - just is). But, this weekend at my company bar-b-q I could see the 'animal' behavior in action. I (34) just do simple administrative work, my husband (37) is highly high…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 04:42 PM
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