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I'm uncomfortable with the demonisation of 'straight white men' that you see in some corners of the internet (lookin' at you, Tumblr), and I absolutely sympathise with the backlash against that rhetoric. I also agree that in a micro sense, people shouldn't be reduced to and analysed based on their physical attributes - it's not right to assume that one person's problems are less valid because of the colour of their skin. I can't say I really see it happening out in the 'real world', however. Fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/16 12:13 PM
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Logic dictates that for every single mother there's a 'single father' (whether or not he participates in the child rearing) who impregnated her. The argument you present against single mothers (special bond) could equally apply to them. A baby is supposed to be a special connection between man and wife. Sure, if you're into that shit. But there are lots of ways to structure the raising of children; just because you personally favour one way doesn't mean that it's 'supposed to be' that way. Not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/16 11:37 AM
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Just popping in to say that I'm so amused you consider yourself 'intelligent' around here and yet you can't figure out when to use 'they're' and when to use 'their'...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 03:00 PM
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That's not the same at all. When you "come across" those men, do you experience arousal such that, if possible, you would fuck them? If I were single and I felt so inclined? Possibly, yes. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. The only difference I perceive for men and women in the scenario you set out is intensity of frustration (which I concede) - and I don't see how that relates to the question of male vs female hypergamy, which you originally seemed to be getting at. On the whole, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 02:06 AM
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I've never met a woman who passes men she wants to fuck more than her bf every single day. How could you possibly know this? From my own experience, I frequently come across men who could objectively be considered more physically attractive than my SO (don't get me wrong, subjectively they got nothin' on my SO, but I'm obviously biased there). 'Wanting to' doesn't mean you 'will' go there with someone, though - for both men and women. They just don't seem to care much about finding other guys to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 07:40 PM
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Nowadays they've expanded the definition so much that you could easily accidentally rape someone. This is such a problem with the modern rhetoric surrounding the issue of rape. The discourse has become somewhat irrational. While I think it's important to have an open dialogue about these things, we need to make sure that the law in practice is equitable to both parties, and that we're judging a situation based on hard facts and not what one person eventually comes to feel about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 01:43 PM
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How would your response change if this comment had come from a woman? It's not like women in general don't share such a sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 01:28 PM
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Your first two points against anorexic models can be equally applied to obese models. Both anorexia and obesity are physically and psychologically damaging. Neither condition is one we should be promoting, period. Although obesity is unhealthy, I believe that being 280 pounds is nowhere near as unhealthy as having anorexia To be honest, seeing 280 pounds written on paper doesn't mean much to me, but when I look at Tess Munster, I know instinctively that she's unhealthy. I'm seeing numerous heart…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 03:52 PM
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Don't reckon they would. Approaching the 'overweight' threshold maybe, but not obese. But of course, the BMI scale is the devil as far as fat acceptance activists are concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 01:58 PM
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One, you live near grocery stores and 2, you know you have access to food so you don't need to eat shitty fast food. This is such a tired and lazy excuse. Fair enough, you might not be able to afford a gold-plated, ready-to-eat bag of organic wheatgrass at your local Wholefoods, but it's not that difficult to eat the right foods on a tight budget. Fast food vs cheap cuts of basic meat and frozen veg - that's a choice people make, and it doesn't come down to cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 01:54 PM
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Reasonable feminists aren't trying to force everyone to lust after fat women. They just want fat women and the men who do like them to be left in peace. As a feminist, I don't identify with the fat acceptance movement at all. I don't buy that the aims of the fat acceptance faction are as innocuous as you claim. What I take issue with is the notion that it's discriminatory to call out obesity as harmful. I've quite often seen very valid objections to - for example - models like Tess Munster being…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 01:35 PM
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I can see what you're getting at with the idea of being supportive, but I don't think unconditional submission is the way to make a man feel 'competent and needed'. There are other ways to show respect to your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 10:25 AM
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Working together to come to decisions doesn't have to cause disharmony. Setting aside the need to be 'right', if both parties approach a decision in a mature way and are willing to look at each option objectively, it's entirely possible to have your relationship work this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 10:22 AM
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... I don't really understand the point you're trying to make here. What's your beef, exactly? I didn't claim that I was presenting anything other than my opinion. And at that, my opinion doesn't mean any less than the people who do consider it a big event. Their opposite opinion doesn't trump mine, and I'm not suggesting my own trumps theirs - that's not how 'opinion' works. There IS no single objective answer to a question like this. It's inherently subjective, and what I did above was present…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 04:26 PM
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And? For me I found it took the pressure off. Other people might be different. I'm just saying something can be nice and good without being 'special', that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 09:52 AM
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Something can be a positive experience without also being transcendent and life-defining. We didn't treat it like it was a massive deal, and I think that made it better. We can look back and laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 10:03 AM
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The other men do not represent sexual objectives. But why are women more culpable than men for what you see as a lie they both engage in? No. I don't see how it differs. I'm going to assume you don't have a counterargument. Can't see how you manage that one. It's not a "misunderstanding", it's propagated through culture by a variety of means, and academia with fallacious social science nonsense. Well can you cite an example of this intentional 'lie' in active action? This is all very abstract.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:58 AM
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Dear god lol! You're the bloody SJW, not me!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:05 AM
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I feel like TRP often relish the thought of women freaking out about the inception of the sexbot age. My honest answer: I have zero opposition to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:42 PM
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I'm guessing some people will count the ban as a 'triumphant win' in their book No doubt. if it's any consolation, just rest assured that people know the deal. You guys aren't the ones left with pink cheeks in the fallout.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:33 PM
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This isn't about 'sides'. This is calling out shitty debating tactics. You're doing a disservice to the arguments against TRP. you're not really willing to listen to what I say. Because you're just blindly insisting that this women is displaying 'co-dependence' without really basing it on anything except your own distaste. If anyone isn't listening, it's you - nothing this woman has said has suggested she's abused or belittled in any way. You can make whatever assumptions you like about me or my…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:19 PM
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I agree that women have internalised some ways of thinking about themselves, but today those things can be quite easily unlearned. I certainly don't think women today are are taught to be dependent on men - unless you're talking about the kind of woman who absorbs herself exclusively in glossy, vapid magazines. I've always had quite a strong awareness that my life was my own. I don't believe the argument can rightfully be made that women today aren't brought up with some degree of this independe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 10:06 PM
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Yeah, that brand of feminism is doing women more harm than good, IMO. It's a worrying trend. It's not helpful at all to tell people they're victims who aren't able to look out for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:59 PM
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Established thought and its supporters Right, and it also includes plugged in men - the 'before' version of the men we're talking about. If no one's really aware that something is a 'lie' to the point that you yourself are a participator in it, how can you rightfully be angry at everyone else when you change your mind about things? Isn't that a bit like getting viciously angry at people in the 60s for thinking smoking wasn't harmful? They're not, but they're (on the whole) untrustworthy and aber…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 09:54 PM
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Oh. I actually agree with your sentiment then. Perhaps you mean that women are perceived as having a lack of agency, when that's not necessarily the case? If so, I concur. I think that's a huge problem with the kind of feminism that seeks to 'protect' women from any real or imagined harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 06:17 PM
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I get that impression, and I think it's doing your community credit, it's set a good tone. The actions of the other faction are speaking louder than their words. I'm glad people seem to have figured out what's up, even if a lot is being left unsaid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 06:11 PM
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It is co-dependent to value the opinion of someone else above all else Is that the dictionary definition of clinical co-dependence, or just your uninformed opinion? And who said anything about belittling or name-calling? That sounds like a rather desperate and unfair attack tactic. You're making huge logical leaps. Again, I don't even identify as RPW, but I have never seen them advise to accept name calling and abuse. Do you have a link to these allegations? You're fighting a straw man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 05:15 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:44 PM
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I have to say, I'm rather disinclined to take RPS's stickied post on the RPW sub at face value. Something about it stinks of bitterness and face-saving. I think this has all been handled quite gracefully on your end. I enjoyed some of the insights on the old sub. Good luck to you guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:23 PM
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Coming from someone who's not RPW, it's by no means 'everyone'. You're making an unfair assessment. It's not 'co-dependent' to have something you value above all else. I share her view - my relationship is of prime importance to me, because it's fulfilling and a large part of my happiness/contentment is derived from it. I pity the person who wouldn't guard that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:16 PM
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I don't know. I wouldn't advise it as a long term goal, but I think 'knowing how to be alone' can be a valuable attribute in relationship. If you know who you are and what you value in life you're less likely to mess other people around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 04:06 PM
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No, I really don't think they are. As far as I can tell, they went about this with as little fuss as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 03:50 PM
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Who should this anger be directed at, though? Why are particular women responsible for what some see as a collective 'lie' (if that's what you think it is) participated in by the whole of society? Women aren't 'lying' when they say they 'like nice men'; at worst, they're unaware of the subtle differences between 'nice' and 'fuckable' - as are the men getting angry at them. Who and what are they angry at, in precise terms? It seems irrational to me to get angry about a collective societal assumpt…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 03:15 PM
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I'm amused that you seem to think women who are into kinky sex are necessarily sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 11:37 PM
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You realize degenerate has an actual meaning, right? And you realise that your application of the word is merely your opinion, right? I'm not into BDSM either, but that's an opinion and it doesn't mean practitioners are degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 11:35 PM
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Doesn't this question depend a great deal on what your frame of reference for 'femininity' is? I try to live by certain ideals, and on the whole I think I'm quite feminine - but probably in a different way to how some of the RPW ladies on here are describing their own femininity. What's the bar? I don't exclusively wear dresses and cook all day. The scope of my caring and nurturing is generally limited to those I care about (i.e., it's not directed at just any rando). I laugh at coarse jokes. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 10:22 PM
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The label 'feminist' really is fairly meaningless these days, because what one person thinks of a feminist could be vastly different from anther's interpretation (I imagine this is the case with TRP too). Anyway, broadly speaking about issues commonly associated with the modern feminism: I want Tumblr Feminism and the likes of 'trigger warnings' to die in a fire. I think there's too much political correctness in the modern movement, and a lot of feminists seem to go looking to take offence where…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 11:58 AM
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So if you hate read the sub, presumably you hate posted. I'm thinking that's why you were banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:25 AM
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I think it's more that reality posits the (entirely un-radical) idea that women are people, and that's why TRP doesn't like it - because they previously put women up on pedestals only to realise that's not where they belong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 11:58 PM
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Wow, aren't you up and coming? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 11:56 PM
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We say "All cis men must die." I mean. Do we?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 05:17 PM
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Because they're not retarded, I imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 06:15 PM
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If the woman stays at home and never gets a job earning more than £16-21k (depending when she took out her loan) she never has to pay it back. This applies to male students too...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 02:09 PM
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I went over the abortion choice thing in my last comment. You haven't this addressed at all. It should. Again, we're not dealing with 'shoulds'. We're dealing with musts. Ideally, women would pay for raising the child alone; but sometimes women can't afford this, and for the benefit of the CHILD, we need to turn to the other responsible party.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:32 PM
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Well, they might go for it in the UK, where I hear a few other people live.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 05:04 PM
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Well, yes. That's the point. It doesn't have to be this way Yes, but. That's what reality is. It IS that way. The law should change. I was referring more to biology when I talked about unfortunate reality. It's an unfortunate reality that unwanted pregnancies sometimes occur. Generally people aren't okay with leaving innocent children to fend for themselves, so the law makes up for that as best it can by mandating that SOMEONE has to help them. It's her choice, not his. He made the choice to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:55 PM
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Yes, but at the same time, a lot of women who ARE in work and who ARE otherwise responsible find themselves pregnant unexpectedly. In the vast majority of cases, they're already working to feed their kid and just need a bit of extra help. Don't get me wrong, I don't like welfare bums either. My point is that single mothers aren't universally, and on the whole probably usually aren't, in that category. In any case, let's keep it real here. The type of women you're talking about aren't generally g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:50 PM
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It's a really, really tricky subject. I'm personally okay with abortion, and I'd get one in that situation without too much distress. But I recognise that other people, men and women alike, are very much against abortion, and it simply wouldn't be an option for them. For them, it's a much more difficult choice than 'do it or don't; easy'. It's a much bigger burden for them, and it's not as simple for them. Again, that's why I think the best rule of thumb is just to use a condom - bypass that pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:43 PM
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I absolutely agree. Edit Especially this: First, child support needs to be tied to the actual expenses involved in raising the child. Not a percentage of daddy's salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:34 PM
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Sure can. What's your point? The point is that if you don't wear one, you're opening yourself up to the possibility of pregnancy, and at that point you need to be held accountable for your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:30 PM
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Why? How is a single instance of unprotected sex somehow equal to an 18 year financial burden? They're not equitable at all, I agree. But at the same time, it's just an unfortunate reality. It's a high price to pay, but it's part of taking responsibility for your actions. Yes you can. It's called abortion. Women do it all the time. Yes, they do. But some don't, and then we have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:27 PM
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I think a condition of continuing state support should be mandatory birth control, preferably in the form of the implant. It certainly shouldn't be automatic. If the mother wants the baby and for some reason can't support it herself, given that unwilling fathers don't get a say (beyond taking responsibility for their own contraception on the first place - slap a condom on it if you're unsure) in whether they bring a kid into the world, it seems unfair to force them to pay for it. On the other ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:24 PM
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MFM gang bangs are way more common than FMF gang bangs. I have to disagree. I think female sexuality is a lot more fluid than male sexuality, and allows for more FMF situations. I mentioned before that I've never heard of any MFM gang-bangs occurring among people I know, but I know a number of FMF threesomes have happened. I believe they're actually fairly common. Sorry for you though, bro. You're sure missing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 04:05 PM
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I mean, I for one am just taking a quick break between multiple gangbangs today. Aren't you? /s Never known anyone to be in one. I don't think they're as common as porn would have us believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:55 AM
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How is this NOT an example of how social constructs work? A social construct is something that's been brought about by societal conditioning. This fits that bill exactly. For one reason or another, it's not seen as the 'norm' for women to do the asking, and hence it doesn't happen as often. If it were down to biology and inherent to maleness, why do so many men also seem to lack the confidence to do the asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:53 AM
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No I wouldn't. I don't WANT things to be as they are now. Alimony laws and custody conventions are hugely out of date, and I don't think there will be a need for affirmative action for much longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:19 AM
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The law is one thing - your opinion of it is another. Is it your opinion that human rights shouldn't apply to men? That's what your original post seemed to suggest, but I might be misinterpreting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:59 PM
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Great. We'll take it. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:52 PM
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About time. I'm against the draft in general, but for argument's sake, if it's necessary, then women should be eligible too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:49 PM
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Why are men exempt from human rights in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 10:48 PM
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Because I don't consider men to be any more disposable than women and I object to the suggestion that they are? Does this undermine the idea that genders are equal? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 12:01 AM
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Surely you must have enjoyed her company, otherwise why did you chose to spend so much time with her in preference to other people? Enjoying each others' company is all true friendship really comes down to, after all. It's not strictly 'friendship' if you're primarily looking to derive 'value' from it besides (platonic) intimacy and pleasant companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 11:44 PM
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I dislike being constantly told that I am responsible for women starving themselves to death, for women binge-eating, for women having low self-esteem for whatever other reason, Is that really the message you feel you get? Do you feel that it's actually targeting you personally, or even generally as a man? The primary driver of insecurity is other women. I've never heard any woman or feminist deny that (though I am sure there are the usual crazies out there...).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 11:36 PM
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You make a really good point - there absolutely is a disconnect between how the different waves of feminism have perceived the importance of female attractiveness. The emphasis now seems to be on highlighting different kinds of beauty, but I don't personally feel that that's a real 'feminist' issue. I don't think women should be valued ONLY by the degree to which their looks match up to some rudimentary, fluctuating ideal (and I think that was the original angle, probably), but the 'big is beaut…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 11:29 PM
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So you're okay with feminists if they're ugly..?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:37 PM
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I know a number of male feminists, and not one of them is close to the type 2 you delineate. Heck, these guys are players, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:35 PM
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From what I can tell, none of the successful relationships around me, my own included, are 'Red'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:50 PM
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If I wanted to hear Red Pill regurgitated over and over, I'd go to the sub. What I'm saying is that this has not been mine, nor multitude others', experience. You have a good day why don't you. You could probably use a break from PPD...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:44 PM
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if i was pushing the spoon of italian food down her mouth, clueless to her not enjoying it I'm pretty sure you know that analogy doesn't fit to the one described by OP, which is what I took you to mean when you said 'pressure'. overly focused on what they want and deaf or inconsiderate to what others want. Obviously it's courteous to think about others, but short of being aware that it's ultimately each individual's responsibility to take ownership of 'what they want' or don't want to happen. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:42 PM
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Not a problem at all!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:21 PM
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Calling 'bullshit' on everything that doesn't happen to conform to your very narrow worldview isn't exactly scientific. Other people have had experiences that are different to your own, and they are no less valid. Believe whatever the fuck you want, but your calling 'bullshit' doesn't make these things any less true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:21 PM
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You make a good point!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:16 PM
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Your bleak outlook on life does not reflect reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:13 PM
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Yes, neither. I'm starting to see a pattern here...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:11 PM
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It's a pretty big assumption to suggest that the relationships he's talking about are unsatisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:11 PM
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Not a he, but anyway!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:06 PM
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I'm a woman. All the same, it would be HER responsibility to tell me she wasn't comfortable. It's not the responsibility of other people to guess at how you might be feeling about a given situation - what kind of way is that to conduct affairs? We can't judge a situation based on feelings that are kept private. Assuming she gave no outward indication that she didn't want to have sex (and in this case I don't think she did), I'd have to judge based on her actions. If she didn't speak up to let me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 01:18 PM
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That's what I'm saying, I don't think they would - and I'm saying that as a feminist. She was far from raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 08:34 AM
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Looks like someone has memorised TRP encyclopedia. Give a guy 5 minutes around a woman and he'll come up with an SMV that's pretty close to what other guys would agree with. This doesn't seem to be the case at all. [It's not even the case on our relatively small sub] (https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3l75x4/post_pictures_of_what_you_think_a_4_6_and_8_look/). Attractiveness in men is much more complicated [...] It takes a lot of invested effort to tell if a man is attractive Sor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:04 PM
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How exactly does the fact that you posted this on TBP make you less of a troll? It gives you zero legitimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:58 PM
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No it doesn't. You made a choice to have sex. You weren't forced, and I don't think opinion on that would be divided.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:49 PM
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Okay. I'm calling troll on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:48 PM
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Because in real life, outside of the TRP narrative and tumblr, different people have myriad reactions to different situations, and those reactions are usually not dictated by gender. I've seen men acting like brats, and I've seen women acting like brats. I certainly don't think 'leaving a task incomplete' and/or making excuses for this is particular to women. I could apply 'men are children' to any situation and generate confirmation bias from that the same way TRP does. Anyway, why back down fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:37 PM
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On average maybe 5-6 times a week, pretty awesome for both every time, not bored after 6 years... I'll go with yes I think. lol @ sexless downvoter. I'm terribly sorry you can't get laid, and that all you have for consolation is internet points.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:25 PM
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So Red Pillers then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:19 PM
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I'd say personality plays into the decision for a lot of men. Especially post high-school and college.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:16 PM
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If friend zoning is just unrequited attraction, then yes, I've been friend zoned in the past. I accepted that he simply didn't like me that way and we're still friends today - and in retrospect, I'm glad that's all we ever were. I like our friendship and I was able to find a much more fulfilling romantic relationship with a wonderful guy. The key is to not act like a little bitch about it. Not everyone is going to be attracted to you. Some people need to get over themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 12:10 PM
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Maybe because 'the women of PPD' doesn't represent a single viewpoint? Of course there are going to be different opinions and responses. I'm not quite sure what your point is. TRP doesn't present a united front either. In any case, I've never seen the second kind of response in all my time here. How is it 'disregarding the feelings of women' to suggest that women are also interested in casual sex..? I'm honestly at a loss. If you think I've been inconsistent, please do feel free to point it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 11:21 PM
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I'm not out to make TRP look bad. I was pointing out a flaw in OP's logic. This is, after all, a debate sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 11:16 PM
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When does compromise work? Compromise doesn't always have to be a meeting in the middle between two options. More often than not, it's talking things out and realising that one particular option is better. It's that examination of both options and reaching agreement from both parties that counts, not the end result. In theory then, compromise can work with any issue. What does compromise mean to you? Simply put, it's just reaching an outcome that both parties are happy with. Again, that doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 12:00 PM
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In the realm of casual sex though, often the very point is that you're not looking for a relationship. In fact, conventional advice tells women that they shouldn't sleep with a guy they're into on the first date, and a lot of women adhere to that. There are exceptions to that rule of course, but on the whole with NSA sex I think both parties start out specifically NOT wanting a relationship, and that therefore rules out the idea that there's commitment to be won from the guy in the first place. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 11:13 AM
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Seriously? I see you 'lol' around here all the time, usually with a much more derisive tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 11:02 AM
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This relies on the assumption that his NSA sex partners are looking for a relationship or commitment from him in the first place. These days, a lot of people just want the sex. It doesn't really count as being the gatekeeper of commitment when there's no question of commitment in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 11:00 AM
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This is the impression I get of the overwhelming majority of members. It's pure scapegoatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:14 PM
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So is divorce. In fact, divorce is breaking an even more explicit promise In that case, what's stopping you telling your wife? If think it's totally okay, I'm sure she will too, right? I am forcing her to give up her child, home, family, finances, friends, future, dreams, and the entirety of everything she has worked for and built. That's what divorce does And I'm pretty sure her dream wasn't to be cheated on either, whether she knows it or not. Just like it wasn't your dream to be in a sexless …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 08:41 AM
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What is monogamy if it doesn't involve sex? Okay, semantics. I'm talking about monogamy as far as it means being exclusive, i.e. not having sex with other people. Why? I don't want to get a divorce. I want to be married to my wife. I also want to have an intimate/sexual relationship...Because I'm being denied the latter, I also have to give up the former? Well, yes. It sounds harsh, but that's the situation you're in. I'm not saying it's easy. It's not, it's hard - doing the right thing is hard.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 11:28 PM
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For me? 'Assertive' isn't really a priority either. 'Confident' (as in possessing a healthy amount of self-esteem, not cocky) - sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 10:11 PM
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So you don't mind women taking advantage of the sexual market place? A lot of awkward rich guys seem to be easily led on - bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:56 PM
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It's the internet, so can't tell if you're being sarcastic. Pretty sure Kim Kardashian had a sex tape. Don't get the impression Kanye West minds so much, seeing as he uh, wifed her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:55 PM
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Why is it that every single woman (And it is all of them, because none have rejected the premise by denying their desire for all of the following) when asked what she wants in man, asks first and foremost for something along the lines of "STRONG, DECISIVE, ASSERTIVE, HAS HIS OWN OPINIONS, NOT AFRAID, DOESN'T LET ME WALK ALL OVER HIM" Are you trolling? Generally, such 'lists' outlined by women far more frequently include qualities such as 'good sense of humour, intelligent, witty, thoughtful' - a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:51 PM
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How is it that those two concepts keep getting conflated? How exactly am I conflating the two? If anything, I think you are. I'm not saying being monogamous ensures sexual activity. I'm arguing that the only two morally justifiable options in such a situation are 1) get a divorce and seek sex elsewhere, or 2) remain monogamous and without sex (and no, I am not saying that situation is okay either, sex should obviously be happening - but that's a separate issue and doesn't negate the fact that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:45 PM
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Who said these are the same people?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:31 PM
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Because marriage is an arrangement that is usually understood to amount to monogamy. If you don't want to be monogamous, or you feel that your sex life would be better with a different partner, your options are to get divorced or not get married in the first place. You agree to either/or when you marry someone (unless of course you've made another agreement).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:38 PM
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Haha, I think the whole point of divorce is that the marriage doesn't survive...which is really the ideal remedy for someone who no longer wishes to be monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:05 PM
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most political topics Well then I ask again: what subjects in the political sphere do men generally get passionate and confrontational about that women don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 01:48 PM
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The state of monogamy precludes both as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 01:44 PM
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Yeah, I understand that - but it doesn't make not being able to choose between the two and going behind your partner's back okay. If you don't want to be in a monogamous relationship, don't be in a monogamous relationship. Leading people on is unjustifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:50 AM
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And can you imagine that divorce if the other party found out that there was also cheating involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 08:48 AM
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For both genders: cause as much harm as is reasonably necessary to protect yourself. No more, no less - and that last bit is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 12:02 AM
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Usually circle around topics like pacifism, (social) justice, (selective) tolerance, and (the bluepill interpretation of) egalitarianism. In other words: SJWish stuff. When I say politics, I really mean all of politics. There are many issues - hundreds - that don't fall into the SJW category that women involve themselves in. Look at the presidential debates, to take a topical issue. (And from personal observation, I've had as many conversations about these with women as with men - more with wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:59 PM
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I'd say cheating is anything you wouldn't want your partner to know about - if you think you might be crossing a line in your particular relationship, you probably are. Those lines will be different for everyone, but for me I don't even get into a situation where the line is in sight. Nothing beyond friendly contact whatsoever. To be honest I think the real trouble starts when a person even thinks about seeking more-than-friendly contact with another person. I never really understood cheating. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:47 PM
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Different communication styles? Possibly, yes. Tbh the only the only scenario where I've repeatedly seen women argue as passionately and confrontational as men about something was when it was about SJWish stuff Really? What about politics? Religion? This very sub? And what kinds 'big' of topics do men generally engage passionately in that women don't? Hahaha, I'll have to show that to my partner. I think he'd identify immensely with the off-screen person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:25 PM
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I agree that out of those twenty candidates, on the whole the women would probably fold the shirts more neatly than their male counterparts. That would be entirely because they're likely to have folded many more shirts in the past. If you gave ten twelve year old girls and ten twelve year old boys - none of whom have ever folded a shirt before - the same task, then I don't believe you'd see any difference. From a personal perspective, my partner is actually better at a lot of tasks around the ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:57 AM
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'Better' at housework? How so? They might tend to do it more frequently than men, but that doesn't make them 'better' at it. Unlike lifting heavy objects, there's no physical deterrent to men being as good at housework as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:16 PM
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comparing other persons' observations of them to one's own observations Right - and many, many people disagree that women are x y or z. Their observations are different to your own, and in a space like where it often comes down to which group shouts the loudest, there's no way to determine which observation is more valid. It's your opinion you're offering, not fact; and it's misleading to present it otherwise, as you did. The reason studies in any field are conducted at all is to ascertain the v…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:07 PM
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First, there's almost no way to conduct a study on this Right, so there's almost no way you can make that kind of claim with any certainty. You asserted this like it was fact. You can speculate all you want, but you're demonstrating a leap of logic. Most men are secretly furries, btw. There's no way to conduct a study, of course, but I'm going to assert it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:38 PM
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Most of the time they have MORE sexual experience than their husbands. Just curious - is this Red Pill conjecture, or have there been studies conducted on this? Edit: Downvotes are not accepted as valid evidence of claims. Try words.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:29 PM
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40-50 years ago, this might have been true. Not anymore. I have to agree. From a personal perspective, I've never felt discouraged from getting involved in and discussing certain topics by virtue of my gender. In terms of the forums you mention appearing primarily male - I believe that's an observation that could be made about most of the internet (bar of course spaces that are specifically aimed at women). I don't have any stats, but I'd hazard a guess that lurkers are responsible for a large b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:24 PM
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I can relate to the point you're making, but the insight you've shown into these issues in this comment alone suggests to me that you don't really fall into the category of 'don't give a shit/unable to think about the big issues'. In any case, it doesn't seem like your unwillingness to engage with the issues are brought about by your being a woman. I can't speak for you, of course - but would you disagree? Downvoters are the worst. It's so exasperating that they donwvote instead of expressing an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:14 PM
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Personally I don't care about anything that isn't Cosmo or Brad Pitt <3! /s Can't stand vapid shit. Would talk history and politics all day long if I could get away with it, but too many heavy conversations tend to annoy people. There are definitely some women who aren't interested in the 'big issues', but I'd say it was a minority and it certainly isn't 'typical' of women not to care about them in general. Then there are the guys whose conversational abilities extend at the maximum to the footb…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:06 PM
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I never appreciated how much time it took to keep a house clean until I moved into an apartment of my own - and at that my SO and I probably keep our place tidier and more organised than my parents do theirs. With no kids and a fairly small place, two fairly clean adults working full time: Laundry including ironing and folding probably averages out to 2.5 hours a week; grocery shopping and putting it away would be 2 hours; cooking maybe 40 minutes prep time per dinner; 40 minutes on washing up a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 04:25 PM
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Nothing. Finding someone attractive isn't the same as being interested in pursuing anything with that person, and I don't consider it a threat to our relationship. Her behaviour would no doubt be annoying as hell, but I trust my SO not to cheat and I'm comfortable with how he's dealt with this in the past. While it might feel more satisfying to deal with her directly, I think a more just dessert would be to leave her hanging. Let her make a fool of herself; I'll find some fun ways to remind my S…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 11:37 PM
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Pretty sure the 6 million figure relates to the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust overall; it's not the death toll for Autchwitz alone, so in that you're not wrong. I don't think it's beyond the reach of possibility that the sum of Jews killed across Europe was close to that figure though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 06:31 PM
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that elevated me above all the otters (her words) All hail the otter king! :p
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 12:27 AM
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Women need to remember the reality that if they're looking hot, some men are going to take notice. Equally, those men taking notice need to realise and accept the fact that it's probably not a choice that was made for their benefit, and shouldn't try to make it about themselves. I.e., by all means enjoy, but don't take it personally. Women are perfectly entitled to dress for their own enjoyment, and that doesn't always involve a quest for male attention. I don't mind the fact that men might look…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 12:18 AM
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Your perception of it, you mean. It doesn't necessarily align with everyone's reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 11:01 PM
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Speak for yourself please.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:43 PM
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Most men don't knock up their affair partners. If it's a question of 'frequency of knocking up' we also then must accept that most women don't get pregnant by their affair partners...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 09:32 PM
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Do you feel that you're owed credit for the things that other people built, just because you happen to be in the same 'group' as them? Besides, an argument could be made that until very recently, women haven't had nearly the same opportunities as men to create. Of course most human accomplishments so far have accrued to men - they were the only ones allowed in the race. Then you will finally have something in life that men didn't hand you. Again, sensing that you feel you're owed something for s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 09:03 PM
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This isn't true of the UK where the study seems to have been conducted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:02 PM
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I don't have a particular opinion on the study itself, but for discussions's sake I think it's important to note that this is a British study (or I assume it is based on the fact that the BBC are covering it). Race and class issues operate remarkably differently here to the way they operate in the US. I'd say class is a much bigger hindrance to success in life compared to race in the UK, whareas it seems to be the inverse in the US. You can't meaningfully talk about the two countries as if they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:00 PM
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I didn't feel silenced, just didn't feel like the video inspired much discussion. Heh, yeah, it was a pretty desperate bout of attention-seeking. Unremarkable video from a fairly unremarkable guy. I'm not quite sure why he thinks we should care.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 09:32 PM
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'Trying'? It's not a conspiracy. They just happen to like the same things 'nerds' like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 09:25 PM
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FYI, it should be 'more poorly', not 'poorer'. Watch your grammar now, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:53 PM
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You've made your point by conflating 'equal' and 'fair'. I'd say the relationship OP describes is fair, but it also meets my definition of 'equal' given that they both have input in decisions/neither seems to have sole responsibility for decision-making. What definition of 'equal' are you going by? How would it differ from the relationship described?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:51 PM
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I'm on the move right now so like I said I don't have time to dig things out at this point in time. Disregard if you want, but it's pretty ridiculous to deny. The front page of TRP is a testament to the phenomenon - if TRP was interested in objective facts and not just engaging in confirmation bias, the front page would look very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:37 PM
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I don't have time to go trawling through old threads on Reddit right now, but a lot of the TRPers I've come across tend do be very, very dismissive of any study or report that doesn't corroborate their worldview, and at the same time overly reliant on the smallest glean of anything that would seem to confirm it. The weight given to the latter category is immense. It's not like the front page of TRP is offering a fair, balanced or objective look at the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 08:53 AM
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I love that you think you deserve an AMA. Do you seek attention because you don't get any in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 07:51 AM
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And yet TRP claims that it's the world outside of TRP that has no empathy towards these men...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:08 PM
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the goal of TRP is to instil a realistic picture, not paint one. So in other words TRP isn't really very much concerned with the 'truth' at all. Which is perfectly fine, if the truth doesn't happen to have bearing on your end goals, but let's call things as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:05 PM
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I don't really have any concrete advice for you. There is a nucleus of truth to 'just be yourself' inasmuch that is suggests not to pretend to be someone you're not. In other words, if you're not very masculine, don't go after women who exclusively like masculine men, because you won't have much of a chance with them. Trying to tastefully display the positive parts of your real personality (e.g. passionate and geeky - and those traits in themselves can be attractive) should increase the likeliho…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 01:26 PM
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I'd been crushing on him pretty intensely for weeks - it never even crossed my mind that the sentiment could be mutual. I was thrilled and couldn't believe my luck when he (slightly nervously, bless) asked me out. Enthusiastic yes from me, and we've been together ever since. I still feel like the luckiest person in the world. I've learned a lot from our relationship, but one take-away that sticks out in particular is how important it is to nurture a true friendship. We still enjoy each other's c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 12:36 PM
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It's toxic in terms of relationship-suitability Obviously - the very point is that this person has no desire to be in a relationship. Prioritising a career in itself isn't toxic when the person makes no pretenses about that priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 11:53 PM
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Why is it 'toxic' when a woman has goals that she wants to pursue and prioritise?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:55 AM
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I'm sure they have. It's not my job to go looking for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:52 AM
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I think you have far too much misplaced faith in the justice system.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:51 AM
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Yes, but that doesn't mean I agree with the things every other person calling themselves a feminist says. If the 'yes means yes' thing is what you're getting at, I agree with the aim but not the means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:42 AM
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Well, not all women (myself included) are into the super-masculine vibe that TRP advocates. If you're not super-masculine, chances are some women will find you attractive anyway, assuming you have other things going for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:37 AM
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She probably shouldn't be having sex, no - but it's entirely her responsibility to make it known that she's uncomfortable. If she doesn't make this known, she can't expect the guy to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:34 AM
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The BP sub is frequently quilty of finding the very worst comments in TRP and lambasting the rest of the sub for them, overlooking the fact that the comments in question may have no community support. They also do seem to have among their members the worst kind of SJW.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 08:07 AM
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That quote kills me every time. Perfect use here. Thank you for this!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:14 AM
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If this were the case, why would any woman ever go on birth control?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:07 AM
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'It'? Lol. I love men and support their rights - but from what I can make out, you don't. You're only interested in putting women down with baseless claims. You're railing that people here are reacting negatively to you and interpreting it as their being 'shitty', but that's what happens when you go about acting like a complete arse. You're the spoiled and shitty one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:32 PM
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Mate, wtf are you doing on PPD? This place is full of 'worthless females'. Crawl back to TRP with your senseless trash talk; you'll find some form of hollow validation for your bitterness there. You're adding nothing of value around here, you're just wasting everyone's time. No one wants to hear your baseless, childish whining. You can't even keep the rules. Kindly fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 12:55 PM
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So your friends and family dismissed uh, multiple girlfriends' cheating as their expressing their sexuality, and put you down for being upset about it? Hah! That sounds about as true as your fantasy of ever having had a girlfriend. I can tell by the way you keep referring to women as 'females' - you haven't had much exposure, and you view them with some trepidation because of that. No one has wronged you because they didn't sleep with you. Whatever you say Elliot Rodgers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:02 AM
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I pity you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 08:29 PM
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I'm guessing you have a terrible personality Sounds about right - and yet this person has the gall to demand 'effort' from others
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 08:29 PM
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No female I've ever met has EVER treated a man as more than a utility that is designed for her benefit And you would know this how? Your entire post is based on utter conjecture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 08:27 PM
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'What SHOULD the male do', 'what SHOULD' the female do' - exactly the opposite. Don't think about it too much; don't take it too seriously and make fun the primary goal for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 06:37 PM
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Frequently having to make decisions about another person's life sounds pretty exhausting to be honest. I know my SO wouldn't be down for that. In any case, making decisions affecting mostly just one's self does not amount to dominance - most people call it having your shit together and taking personal responsibility. If you make lots of little decisions for someone else who doesn't want to make them, I'd wonder if the character of that person would make them seek to blame you when they didn't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:12 AM
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I don't visit the sub, but the impression I get of TBP is that the only ideology in common is opposition to TRP. Granted, there might be a feminist leaning, but beyond that there's no common line of thought about the way the world works like there is on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 07:01 AM
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Excuse me? Where exactly was I claiming that 'extreme promiscuity' in women in itself makes men 'want to marry them'? Way to twist words much. But you know this fine well. I didn't use any snark - the bitching was all coming from you. You're acting like a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 06:51 AM
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Also - yours is the assertion that's out of touch with reality. Once more: no, it is evidently not the case that 'no man wants used goods'. A look at reality suggests that many if not most men don't care. And on what planet is responding just 'lol' not snarky? Yet you have the gall to bristle at receiving a reply in kind...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 06:44 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:59 PM
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Indeed. The response of someone with a decent and well thought out line of argument. Your debating prowess just astounds me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:05 PM
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no man wants wants to marry used goods Most evidence to the contrary. This is your silopsism talking - clearly many if not most men do not feel this way. And no, 'most' women do not seek to portray their husbands as abusers to leave a marriage. A very small minority do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 05:05 PM
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This is what happens to most tech or STEM professionals - the higher you get, the less technical your work becomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 08:28 PM
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You know that 'cuckold', from which 'cuck' derives, originated in something like the Early modern period right? It's not a term the manosphere invented. It was even used in the same insulting manner you describe back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:46 PM
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I mean. The idealistic picture you paint of this guy makes your story sound like TRP fanfiction. I'm inclined to believe that you're a Terper. Don't get me wrong - I'm completely prepared to believe that some TRPers may well be as good-looking and successful as the guy you describe, so I don't reject the principle that this COULD happen; but I don't think it did in this case. Suspicious 'throwawayBP [no totes guys really]' name doesn't help...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:35 PM
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No? Nice of you to put words in my mouth though. Do you support genocide? Because that sounds pretty barbaric to me. /wild logical leap. What you describe would be gratuitous. In the abortion case, it's not about punishment; it's about respecting the victim's wishes and recognising that the woman took something from him that she doesn't have a right to keep. It's intended as a legal remedy for the victim, nor a punishment for the attacker.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 07:04 AM
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Fair enough. We disagree, I'm of the rather harsh opinion that bodily autonomy is forfeit when you take it away from someone else, but I can see where you're coming from too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 05:01 PM
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End of thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 04:58 PM
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the lesser of two evils when compared to forcing a woman through pregnancy. Playing devil's advocate here, but anyway - how does this stance stand up next to the fact that the man would be forced to watch his rapist have his unwanted child? In this case, shouldn't his decision be given primacy over his attacker's?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 07:50 PM
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Interesting question. My usual stance on abortion is that it's ultimately an individual's decision what happens with their body. In this case however, the individual forfeits that right because she took it away from someone else; it would be somewhat hypocritical to defend her right to bodily autonomy here. On top of that, it's probably not the best environment for a child to be born into anyway. So yes, I'd say that forced abortion might be an option here, if that's what the victim wants to hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 07:44 PM
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Except it isn't because I'm hardly the only man who thinks so. This also doesn't make it an ad hominen. Excuse me? Says who? You think that just because I'm rejecting your irrelevant bullshit that means I've conceded your accusations? I seem to remember you saying as much before. You honestly think that the expectation of men to be more stoic and "tough" compared to women I absolutely don't deny this - but it still doesn't amount to 'men should never how emotion around women'. Who doesn't have m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:38 PM
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So presumably you're also against male civilians voting?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:32 PM
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All TRPers have is also 'only claims'. I have never seen an instance of a woman leaving a man because he showed x emotion - what I have seen and personally experienced are instances where almost the exact opposite happens. All we have is each others' word around here, and all I can say is that my SO has shown various emotions on numerous occasions and it's had nothing close to the effect described by TRP. Oddly enough (or perhaps not) the debates mostly seem to be between women saying, as I am, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:25 PM
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Hah. Did you just pick that phrase up in a philosophy book? Because I don't think you know what it means - it's not an ad hominen when it's directly relevant to the discussion. You've had no relationship experience and yet you're trying to tell people how relationships work. It's kind of like an English grad trying to tell a physicist 'hey actually you're wrong about the speed of light. Trust me I read it somewhere'. My SO has cried with and in front of me on a number of occasions, most notably …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:21 PM
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I think the original goals of feminism have now largely been achieved in western society; there are choices for those who want to take them, and being born female will no longer mean that being a wife and mother while the rest of the world is 'run by men' is the only option. Women aren't oppressed in our society and have pretty much the same opportunities men do. I don't think we need to achieve 50/50 representation in every field - the whole point of feminism for me is that women can also choos…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 07:05 PM
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This has not been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:16 PM
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And you just ignore all the other instances that invalidate it right? It's confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:15 PM
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Says the guy with... how much relationship experience, exactly? Because from someone who's actually in a LTR, this isn't how it works. My SO has been emotional in front of me tons of times and it's only made me admire him more. I'm not saying it wound be a good idea to be super emotional all the time, but it's definitely not as extreme as you're making it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:41 PM
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Because like everyone here I'm allowed to choose which discussions I want to have. I believe that having this particular debate with you would be pointless. I'm not obliged to debate with you because you demand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 06:50 AM
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That will doubt just descend into a tit for tat. Like I said, not really interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 10:08 PM
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I have also seen this, you're not imagining it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:29 PM
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Don't really give a fuck what you think about women but you're definitely not more intelligent a lot of them. There are a lot of intelligent posters around here, Red and Blue alike, but you're definitely not one of them lol. Settle down now pet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:54 PM
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I said AF/BB isn't recognised as a thing, not dual mating strategies. My point stands. TIL TRPers need to work on their basic reading comprehension.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 04:50 PM
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Not everyone accepts the TRP model. Funny, I would have thought you would have gleaned this tidbit earlier given the fact that this is a sub specifically to debate that very point. TIL people have different views to the ones I hold - shock horror!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 02:18 PM
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I don't know. I see what you're saying but your model would suggest that people develop their personalities solely with reference to interaction with/attention from the opposite sex. I don't think this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 10:43 AM
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Debates aside, I really wouldn't advise bringing this kind of stuff up in casual conversation outside these subs. It's a bit of a 'deep' topic for every day life. A bit like religion, not everyone is prepared to discuss these things off the bat. People need to be open to and in the mindset for having their beliefs challenged, and most people are on 'just get through the day' mode most of the time and therefore won't want it or be receptive to it. Trying to challenge another's beliefs uninvited c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 10:20 AM
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Forgive me for not getting the impression that what you're doing is an attempt to 'debunk TRP'...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 10:10 AM
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Probably about the same or more than you have to assert it. I'm not really looking to get in to it right now, just wanted to point that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 10:04 AM
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I would never enter a relationship with someone who remained 'detached and calculating'. Otherwise, what's the point in even being in the relationship in the first place? My SO shares his thoughts and feelings on various matters, and it's only ever made us more intimate. I'd say most women don't want a robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 10:01 AM
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Answering this question kind of relies on the assumption that everyone accepts that AF/BB is a thing. It's a bad assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 09:56 AM
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That's fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 06:58 PM
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The concept of Nationhood in the sense you're using is defined by literal lines in the sand - what does it matter if those lines now have a name? The natives who inhabited the area before thought of the land in a different way, but it doesn't change the fact that the place they called home became a space they shared with people from foreign lands. It's not even like the modern day US is culturally united; it's just a name and a legal system slapped over a rudimentary land mass, like all nations.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 04:59 PM
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Settling isnt IMMIGRATING The only difference was that they didn;t ask the locals' permission. besides this, it's the exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 03:07 PM
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falsely accused of DV by my ex This is such a despicable thing to do. Was she ever charged for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 12:25 PM
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This doesn't contradict anything I said. I stated before that slim people can get sick; I am aware that it's possible to be slim and still develop diabetes. However, this is much rarer in slim people than it is in fat people - fat people will almost certainly develop type 2 diabetes or some other illness related to their weight, whereas someone who is the correct weight will only develop diabetes if they eat crap food and don't exercise. Obese people are 80 times more likely to develop diabetes …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 11:55 AM
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Minimal effect. Marriage rates are already on the decline - it would be a bit of a leap for people to marry more than one person when so many people are opting to marry none in the first place. There might be a bit of an uptake by both genders, but I think it would still be fairly rare. Outside of marriage, the modern casual dating scene pretty much amounts to open polygamy anyway, so I don't think it would have much of an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 11:08 PM
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Health risks does not mean they have anything actually wrong, it just means they could. This is simply untrue, and it's frankly despicable that HAES is promoting this. You suggested before that you weren't trying to downplay the risks associated with being overweight - but you're doing it right now. ANYONE can get sick; what the facts say is that you are more at risk of various illnesses if you're overweight, and statistics are quite clear on that. I don't have time to go find sources right now,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 11:01 PM
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Lol, I don't fit into anything you guys say about women, but that doesn't seem to count.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 08:39 AM
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Doesn't mean it's the same people as the 'strong independents'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 08:33 AM
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He sounds retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 11:54 PM
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just because you are skinnier does not mean you live as healthily as they do or are even as healthy as them See, this is what is so dishonest about HAES. No one is saying that being slim automatically makes you healthy - no one has ever said that. But what being the correct weight does automatically have going for it is that it doesn't carry the numerous health risks which are inherent in being overweight. Slim people can still get sick, sure - but they probably won't get sick as a result of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 07:00 PM
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Please refer to the OP. I'm not saying all TRPers do it, but enough of them do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 05:42 PM
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You are allowed to have that view, but you cannot say that everyone views them the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 05:38 PM
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This is why it can be hard to take TRP seriously - a lot of you seem to be in it just to talk shit about women while downplaying the same things in men. It's like it becomes less about looking for biological traits and more about 'nu-uh, men are definitely better than women'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 07:37 AM
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Oh good, you can see two sides of the coin. Take this thinking and apply it to your view of 'sluts'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 07:33 AM
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Hah, yeah it doesn't really have much impact if on your way out you're shouting 'OKAY GUYS I'M GOING NOW....I'm leeeeaving! REALLY I SWAEAR. Leaving for real this time! BUH BYEEEE. Damnit, acknowledge me bitches!' Edit: to my little downvoter stalker - I do know who you are, and I will be reporting you to the mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:09 PM
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TLDR: It doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:05 PM
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When did I ever say that? You were arguing in favour of HAES, who play down the effect of weight on health. This is not in line with what doctors say. Doctors will still tell you to try to lose the weight. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:02 PM
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Health IS the conventional wisdom. That isn't a HAES thing. We both know fine well what stes HAES apart. their doctor. Most doctors are in agreement here - your weight will cause problems for you. I don't care about the opinion of fat-acceptance bloggers; actual doctors say that to be at optimal health, your BMI shoudl be between 18-15. And yes, I certainly can and will comment on weight when you're going around telling people it won't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:31 AM
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Because they eat right and exercise, like they're already told to. Another direct result of HAES is that people think being overweight isn't a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:56 AM
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Depends on the poster. Some I take with a grain of salt, some I'm more inclined to believe. One thing I've noticed though is that the rule seems to be if a Red Piller says it, it's God's Truth, but anyone else saying it means it's either lying or an anomaly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:44 PM
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A large part of RPW is teaching women not to exhibit the AWALT traits. AWALT is just AWALT. RWP might try to minimise their tendences towards it, but even they admit they're still AWALT (hey, I'm not even Red Pill, just playing Devil's Advocate here!) If I were to guess, I'd say you'd be instructed not to think of your girlfriend this way, because it doesn't seem to be in line with TRP thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:39 PM
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It's about EVERYONE skinnyfat, obese, overweight, normal weight, short, tall... Eating healthy and being active. This is what conventional wisdom tells us anyway. It's not news that you're supposed to eat right and live a healthy lifestyle. But chances are, if your weight is considerably higher than the recommended maximum for your height, you're not fit and active enough and/or you're actually not eating like a healthy person - as in, a diet low in processed foods and sugar, and making sure tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:35 PM
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Well considering two of these women are under 30 I'm pretty sure they didn't 'need' to settle for betas. And why do Red Pillers always assume that women only marry for money? I know that at least one of these women insisted on a prenup herself, and I'm pretty sure the others have them in place too. In any case, some of them earn more money than their husbands. You're going around here telling people they live in bubbles, but you might want to consider that you haven't seen all of the world eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:03 PM
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doesn't come under "AWALT" I'm pretty sure TRP disagrees with you here... That's the whole point of AWALT. Seriously though, aside from the 'submissive' part, this description could fit a lot of relationships. Can I ask what makes her submissive?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:57 PM
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'Reality' isn't what you described though. The PhDs I know are now married to some pretty awesome dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:50 PM
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I'm not RPW, but pretty sure they don't say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:45 PM
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Shockingly, 'appearance' is all we have of any marriage, even Red Pill ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:37 PM
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Maybe I was wrong - I thought by 'all he has is the public's perception of him' you meant that his SMV is overestimated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:36 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's just you. I think it's vaguely narcissistic to assume that someone's going to hit on you/attempt sexual congress just because of their sexual orientation. Chances are, you're never going to encounter this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:27 PM
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I could be wrong but I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:25 PM
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That doesn't change the end result that his SMV is extremely high.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:24 PM
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...Because it's untrue?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:23 PM
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what defines why they wouldn't get respect? Again, it depends on how they arrived at their views, and how much those views were driven by hatred. I'd disrespect what I see as ignorance or an unwillingness to see the 'bigger picture' that actually, all humans are prone to shitty behaviours. I don't disrespect women, I simply don't have respect for them (unless they proved worthy of it over an extended period of time.) I think this is a perfectly reasonable stance. Not having respect for someone i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:22 PM
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I know it's healthier to be overweight (caveat here: slightly overweight - I'm sorry but no, if you are clinically overweight you are NOT as healthy as someone who is in the 18-25 BMI range; I'm talking into the long term here too) than it is to be underweight, but that doesn't change the fact that all the discussion with HAES centres around how it's 'healthy' to be at the upper end of the scale. The reality is that there are numerous health risks both to being overweight and to being underweigh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:12 PM
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Weren't you implying that he'd be nothing without the public's perception of him?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:03 PM
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Most of this guy's value is in the public perception of him. Isn't this all there is to SMV, at the end of the day? Your SMV can be sky high, but unless others perceive this, it may as well be zero...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:01 PM
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Yeah, I really don't think Amal wanted or needed any 'beta bucks'. She's a high-profile international lawyer, she doesn't need his money. I'm speculating, but there's even a chance her net worth was greater than his.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 04:59 PM
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Is it fair to assume you haven't been in a LTR/had regular and consistent access to sex over an extended period (honestly not trying to troll here)? You might give a different answer if that were the case, and the sex was 'on offer' every day. Chances are, one of those times you won't feel like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 04:54 PM
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Too bad you feel insecure about that. That's entirely your issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 04:39 PM
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Hah, thank you and that's kind of you, but you really don't have to do that. I'm mostly being imature about the downvotes, I shouldn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 07:59 PM
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Do Red Pillers get a place in your list? You mean Red Pill men, not women? Some of them would be, yes - I guess it depends on what their views are, and how they arrived at those views. Same for RPW. The question that stems from this is do you think TRP actively hates women? Or simply doesn't respect them? For the record, I'm not really proud of the fact that I dislike these people, because it's really just one aspect of their personality, and the higher order in me knows that there are probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:46 PM
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Well, there's a balance. In the dead bedroom situation, there's probably some lying going on, yes. But in many other instances feeling 'too tired' is just that - it's not only ever an 'excuse'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:29 PM
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Great, it will balance out the downvotes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:26 PM
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By the way, the edit I made to my post earlier wasn't directed at you, just in case you thought it was! Someone has been following me around and downvoting every post I make for a while now, so it was meant to be an open call-out to this person since I don't know who it is - but I now realise that you might have thought it was directed at you. I wasn't very clear, and I suspect that it wasn't you who downvoted by anyway. Apologies if you thought I was speaking to you; no harm meant to you. I tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:20 PM
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Oh right, honestly I hadn't realised it would be taken that way at all - it hadn't even crossed my kind that the OP was doing the downvoting, since it had been happening for a while before that. I guess it shows how easily things can get misconstrued (my fault here, and I will make it clear to the OP that it wasn't directed at him). I've removed the edit, and I'm sorry you had to come in on this one. I think I know thew answer, but is there any way to know who's doing this? I know I sholdn't car…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:15 PM
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Seriously? A personal attack against an unnamed downvoter counts? Isn't that definitively impersonal? I have to say, I can't really see the logic in this. I've been noticing it for a couple hours now - every post I make gets downvoted very soon after I make it, and so I suspect there's a more guilty culprit here who's follwing me around the sub. What am I supposed to do? Ask nicely? Normally I'd ignore it but it's becoming very frustrating. Just to clarify - is it still against the rules to down…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 06:06 PM
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Not 'all of her energies' - as I stated clearly I'm working under the assumption here that this is only an occasional occurance. chances are, if you neglect other responsibilities in life in favour of focussing 100% on your relationship, the relationship will probably still fall apart anyway. People need well-rounded lives to function. I'm not saying that it's cool to constantly turn down sex - but it's untrue to say that being tired has no effect on libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:58 PM
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SOMETIMES. Your post doesn't say this. I've seen dog-tired women ratchet up their libidos for Chad. Uh-huh. You've seen this have you lol? I can only assume you were being a creppy spy. So is the thread over now?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:56 PM
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Well, that seems like a bit of a dick move frankly, but each to their own I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:54 PM
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excuse. Why does it have to be an excuse? It can be the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:52 PM
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Well, it's nice that you ignored the replies in the other thread you started. 'Not being in the mood' or 'being too tired' can be perfectly valid. I get the impression some TRPers struggle to understand this (perhaps because they're not getting as much sex as they'd like to; I can understand why it would seem more important then), but sex becomes less of an all-consuming thing when you get older. When people have full time jobs and whole lives to run, having sex every single night is less of a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:50 PM
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I have had a woman get up and leave on me when I kissed her belly and breathily asked "Have you gained weight recently?" Hah, I've got to say, that was probably not the nest thing to say! Even girls who are in great shape would probably get a bir edgy about this. I'm curious - what was your intent with this question? Were you just asking honestly because you'd actually noticed, or..? Did you think she wouldn't take offence?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:44 PM
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Well, likewise. I've been around for a while. I feel like you probably knew that no one was going to say they respected murderers and theives though... I'm sorry if I was hasty, I kind of assumed you were going to put words in people's mouths. There have been been a few discussions lately about BPs supposedly being 'unable' to say negative things about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:40 PM
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I meant more form the guys side actually. I would be alarmed if I was trying to get busy and my partner told me they thought I was just fetishising.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:37 PM
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Oh right. That makes me kind of sad actually - it says a lot about how much they've internalised the idea that they're ugly. I would not like to be in the situation you described! What do you even say to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:32 PM
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I...can't say I've noticed this myself. The bigger women I know IRL are pretty grateful for any attention they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:27 PM
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I mean, who has respect for murderers and thieves? Do you honestly think anyone is going to come in and go 'nope, I respect them all because pussy!'? As a rule, I actively try not to dislike entire groups based on a rudimentary criteria - I'm pretty such that's what prejudice is, and I don't really aspire to be an unkind person. In fact, I tend to disrespect those kinds of people, women included. They tend to be pretty ignorant. I guess I don't really have respect for the 'Haha I'm just so ditzy…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:23 PM
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I don't think either is abuse; I do think both can potentially be forms of manipulation, which isn't really conducive to a healthy working relationship. The difference I see is that 'witholding sex' isn't always done with malintent, or indeed with any intent at all. Usually the case is that people just aren't in the mood some nights - and this applies to men too. I actually think both partners have a 'duty' to one another and to the relationship to uphold the expectations under which the relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 05:00 PM
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I was going to mention the ECs actually - I got the impression they were older, and I don't think it's a coincidence. You tend to be more... lucid, shall we say, than the average TRP commenter. You're still a minority of the Red Pill community though - I'd still say most non-ECs are on the young side, though of course I can't be sure. Have you guys ever collected any data on that? Hah, I think we had a similar discussion about something very close to this topic not too long ago, so I'm not sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 04:50 PM
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Ugh it is SUCH a load of crap, really makes me angry. What's really enlightening about them is that they don't seem to condone it on the other side of the scale - they don't say that anorexia can be healthy, only obesity. They know what they're saying is bullshit, they just want people to ignore the unfortunate reality that being fat aint a-okay health wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 04:40 PM
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While there are a tiny handful of BP men who are older, it strikes me that most BP men are young and inexperienced The same thing could be said for most Red Pillers though. The Reddit demographic trends young. We'll probably never know for sure, but I'd guess that it's the picture is actually the other way round - the bulk of TRP appears to be made up of late-teens/early 20 year old men. things like female nature, divorce, and custody laws. This is exactly why I don't think TRP comes to rational…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 04:21 PM
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the better you feel about yourself, the more likely you are to treat yourself better and exercise, eat healthily. This is key. I think the movement has value in making people feel less like shit; that's the (intended) idea. This is why it's so frustrating - fat people already know they have issues and don't need an unkind person on the street to tell them - but now HAES is coming along and putting out all these bullshit, mixed messages. The message needs to be that it's NOT healthy to be fat, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:57 PM
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Well, that wouldn't really count as rape, would it? Well no, not if you wanted it. But the definition of rape is that you don't want it. You can't really want actual rape to happen. I mean, we can speculate about the drivers of these fantasies all we want, but at the end of the day we don't know. I suspect both men and women like the idea of unbridled, raw, uncontrollable sexuality, where they ultimately control the direction of events as the 'dreamer'. The important thing is that it's a fantasy…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:45 PM
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Edit wrong comment, sorry!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:44 PM
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One thing that you're missing here is that women can't or won't be empathetic enough to try to see the world from a man's point of view. What I see in RP is a lot of men sharing common experiences and comparing notes about what they've seen and observed in their lives. Women routinely minimize this or deny these experiences and incorrectly assume that there must be some irrational "hatred" on the man's part. Because obviously, no woman would ever do anything wrong or immoral. I don't think this …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:38 PM
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Urgh yeah I do hate that saying. It's not really a good solution to body shaming, and just makes the proponent sound ridiculous. Edit: Not sure if downvoted by 'real men like curves' fat person or terper lol...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:22 PM
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Like someone else said on this thread, I think the fat acceptance movement has been more about fat people feeling okay with their bodies. I don't think many people deny (though some do, I know) that being fat is unattractive. I don't like the fat acceptance movement because for health reasons I don't think it's good to encourage people to stay overweight - but I do think there's a small upside in making people feel kind of okay about themselves. I don't think anyone should be made to feel like s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:20 PM
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You're entitled to that opinion. I think it's a bit of a waste of time bring angry about it though. It's like religion - so long as I'm not being forced to listen, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:15 PM
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Same. I don't see many people suggesting 'men NEED to be attracted to this'. There's the 'real men like curves' gig sure, but that's only one faction of the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:12 PM
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Sure. I completely agree. My point is that I haven't seen that happening - what I see is 'big bodies CAN be beautiful TOO'. We probably both disagree with this sentiment, but they're just trying to present us with a alternative take on things, which is fine in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:10 PM
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It's important to be able to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. People fantasise about a lot of things they wouldn't actually want to happen in a million years. When I was a teenager, I used to fantasise about having different parents, but there was no way I would actually have wanted my own parents to disappear. It was a nice thought, but didn't really jive too well with, y'know, reality. I mean sure, the thought of getting busy with Liam Hemsworth is nice, but if presented with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 03:07 PM
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If that's the case, I don't think that leaning comes through very often. I've seen women criticised there for their role in a relationship's crumbling many times, and it doesn't seem to be weighted particularly against men. In any case, it's a lot closer to the 'centre' than TRP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:30 PM
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What do feminists think? Well as a feminist I think the fat acceptance movement is, (excuse the pun) largely bullshit, and I'm not surprised that people continue to find slimmer people attractive. Slender bodies tend to be more attractive than flabby ones. That said, as much as I disagree with the fat acceptance movement, I think the aim is more about recognising that larger bodies can be attractive, is it not? I know some bigger women try to shame men for not liking their bodies, but most of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 02:26 PM
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They're all lying. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 12:45 PM
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I see what you're saying - of course criticising a thing isn't necessarily the same thing as hating it. With TRP though, it's the rationale behind a lot of the constituent dogma that's hateful. Myself and frankly most other people in the world don't share TRP's views about women being inherently 'less' than men - because there's no solid, objective evidence for this claim. It's a belief system which appears to be perched upon some very shaky foundations, so there must be something else holding i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 11:52 AM
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Not OP, but I really don't think 'the way men [or anyone] wants to be loved' is as complicated as TRP makes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 11:20 AM
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Right, but approximately 0% of women actually want this to take place in real life. Edit: Also, interestingly, the Wikipedia article says that rape fantasies are also common among men. Shall I put the word out that you want to be raped, exit_sandman? I'm sure some lonely incel out there would be very happy to get tucked into you, as you so desire. (Also, because this is Reddit, I feel the need to say that I'm obviously not being serious. I wish that went without saying.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 10:54 AM
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TRP likes this line a lot, but it's not really reflected in modern day reality. Literally all the men I work with are married to other skilled, highly trained professionals. It's all accountants, lawyers or consultants - none of them are marrying the check-out girl. *Edit: I should say all the men I work with who are married/in a relationship. Not suggesting that every single one is partnered off (though like all 25 year old + environments, most of them seem to be.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 08:03 AM
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'All women want to be raped by a high value man.' Doesn't sound all too jolly to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 07:55 AM
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They don't have pro-female leanings - it just seems that way to you because you're so used to the anti-female nature of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 07:48 AM
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In a way though, most attempts to please another could be seen as an attempt to ultimately please oneself. I don't think it's ever been any different - TRP does the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:21 PM
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how can putting someone's, even a kid's well-being, not involve pedestalizing? I think pedestalising has more to do with thinking the person can do no wrong - it's not just about putting their needs first.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:18 PM
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And what, if you were given a choice of women, you would pick the one you were least attracted to..? Sounds like BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:10 PM
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Care to tell me about an entitled, toxic bitter woman you met recently or a woman who has a shitty attitude and personality to men and to dating? Okay, I get it now. You're just looking for a bitching fest, aren't you? Well no thank you - I'm not going to engage in an empty, dumb exchange about people I've encountered recently with some random on the internet to make him feel better, or to prove a point. I'm afraid I have much, much better things to do with my life. I'm sorry you have so much ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:07 PM
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Seems like you're just having a temper tantrum to be honest... It's really starting to seem that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 06:56 PM
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I'm referring to the fact every time BP or women talk shit about someone. Look, not everyone who is non-Red around here is a part of the Blue Pill subreddit. I'm not myself, so I can't speak for them - but I'd guess the reason they talk this way about men and not women (and by the way, those threads aren't about all men - they're specifically referring to TRP men only, so are definitively not bashing all men) is that the subject of their sub is TRP, and making fun of TRP. Their views on womens' …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 06:52 PM
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People aren't obliged to listen to your views. I don't have to stop and listen to a street preacher just because he happens to think he's right. These are two separate issues - 1) she didn't want to have the conversation (entirely acceptable), and 2) she was a bit unkind and dismissive (unnecessary, but I'd wager - and honestly I mean no offence, Xemnas81 - might have been prompted by your behaviour. You can come on a little strong in your views sometimes, and people don't really expect to encou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 06:37 PM
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I'm still lost. So someone disagrees with your views (which they were perfectly entitled to do by the way - they're your opinion, not objective facts) was a bit mean to you about it. It's the internet, get used to it. I've had much worse things said to me because I don't buy into TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 05:12 PM
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Do you think that they know know men will be put off and they don't care I don't think many men are 'put off' though. I agree with the commenters on here who say that a woman's job/career isn't inherently attractive to men in itself - but I don't think many guys look at a woman and go 'damn, she's a lawyer; boner gone'. Sure, there are some - TRPers, namely - but I haven't seen evidence of this in the wider world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 05:09 PM
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How much do I need to repeat myself? Until you can actually back up your claim. You don't have any examples of these threads then, I take it? but every time a shitty personality or shitty phenomena in the dating/gender world is discussed Are you serious though? Most of the debates on here are about how women have shitty tendencies, and whether men have them too. GROUPS OF MEN and INDIVIDUAL MEN who are the villains. These...these things are contradictory. It's either individual or groups we're d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 05:04 PM
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Every single thread about men being entitled, being Nice Guys, not "improving themselves" enough, thinking women should be attracted to them when they aren't attractive, and so on, haven't you seen those threads? Post them please. I've been around here for some time, and threads that exist to attempt to put men in general down don't come up too often. What does come up are threads about what nice guys ARE, and these come up as frequently as threads about what sluts are. About what? Usually about…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 03:10 PM
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I don't know that it affects the romantic lives of too many women, and my own anecdotal experience corroborates this - most of my older female senior colleagues seem to be happily married, usually to men who have similarly demanding jobs. In terms of having children, there does need to be a much more open discussion about the dangers of putting off childbearing too long; and yes, there would probably be some women who might slow their careers down a bit. I don't think these women are worried tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 03:05 PM
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Show me where any TBP or affiliated person makes threads about women being shitty human beings Why on Earth would they be doing that? Seriously, is that your problem? This is a debate sub - if Blue made threads about women being shitty human beings, TRP would just agree and there would be no debate. The reason you might get the impression that Blue/affiliates think women can do no wrong is that they are so often forced to defend against the TRP accusations that women are x degrees worse than men…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:57 PM
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Citing science doesn't make your method scientific. This should be a disclaimer on the TRP sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:21 PM
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Nice straw man there. Women have the same capacity to be shitty human beings as men do. This is where TRP seems to disagree with me though. All I'm ever hearing from bluepillers is allegations of male wrongdoing and scumbuggery and criticism about male subgroups Funny, this is all I ever hear the other way round from TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:15 PM
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When you said 'explained it calmly', do you actually mean you explained your view calmly, or do you mean you tried to foist your views down this person's throat as 'the truth', and get pissed off when they didn't agree with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 02:11 PM
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Shockingly, career-driven women aren't that way because they think it will make them attractive to men. I get the sense that it's more to do with, y'know, the career part.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 01:51 PM
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Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 12:23 PM
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Could be that they add sugar/sweetners to a lot of 'reduced fat' foods to make up for the bland taste when the fat is taken out? That's why I never buy reduced fat anything - I'd take fat over sugar any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 12:21 PM
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I've always found it interesting how MGTOWs never actually, you know, go their own way. Instead they just sit on the internet all day and complain about the world, usually frothing at the mouth. FYI, you're not really free of something if it consumes you with rage. I disagree with alreadyredschool on a lot of things, but I can tell you right now that he is more free of 'the scourge of women' than you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 11:46 AM
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Stop guessing about things you know nothing about lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 11:38 AM
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That really wasn't an invitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 07:33 AM
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Really? Not even in the college library at exam time? This is surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 07:31 AM
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Shorter is automatically non-alpha now? Well, yo asked - here's one woman who doesn't like hyper-masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 07:28 AM
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Not BP, but whatever. I simply recognised that trying to debate with you would be useless, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:53 PM
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Yeah, I gotta say, I don't get the obsession with Nicki Minaj's ass. Looks really weird to me. Decidedly unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:51 PM
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You just have to twist this situation in whichever way you can to paint the woman in a bad light, right? There's no reasoning with that kind of one-track thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:41 PM
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I'm not saying that; what I am saying is that when I was at uni, neither myself nor any of my girlfriends had a 'one off affair with a 30+ guy', which immediately belies his idea that 'most girls' have had this experience. I'm absolutely certain that it does happen, but observable reality tells us that it's simply not as common as he's making out. A minority have, sure. But it's a minority and not most.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:39 PM
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This is definitely something to keep in mind with new relationships - I believe TRP has that much right - but I think there comes a certain point in a LTR where this isn't such a problem anymore. If you're still 'measuring out' your release of emotions after, say, two years, there's probably a bigger problem with the relationship at work. As long as you're not a wreck all the time, bonding brought about by emotional sharing can be very beneficial Saying that, I don't think it would be attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:28 PM
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I don't know. I feel like 17 year old me would definitely have agreed with this statement, would even have lived up to it - but now, not so much. I've come to really value the straightforward easiness I get with my SO. There's definitely an element of wanting to support him emotionally when he needs it, but I don't like the thought of 'fixing' anyone. It's too messy. Maybe it's an age thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:19 PM
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If he was 'whining' all the time I seriously doubt his SMV was very high at all...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:06 PM
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Well, that escalated quickly. How did this go from some women over 30 struggle to conceive to 'most of these women were former CC riders who almost definitely have HPV [some BS reference connecting n count/intensity of sex to infertility]? That's 100% conjecture. Zero logical progression.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 02:00 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 01:55 PM
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People don't feel that way, it's only lonely incels on the internet who like to imagine that they could take their pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 09:17 AM
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Pro-choice until the fetus is viable, but I'd rather abortion wasn't seen as another form of contraception. Ideally to me it's a last resort for people who got unlucky with actual contraception.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 08:59 AM
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You I'm less likely to believe, since you spend so much time hating on TRP that you'd have to be a little retarded to be an 8 and claim our methods don't work to date attractive women. You know that there's zero logic in this, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 08:18 PM
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Weird. My ratings would be exactly the inverse of this. Arya be smokin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:38 PM
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Wait, I just noticed this - In other words, you're going to have trouble finding a woman under 25 who hasn't had at least one affair with a guy over 30. Citation required. Literally not one of my girlfriends has had a boyfriend/fling over 30 (believe me, I would have heard about it), and from my whole time at university I could count on one hand the number of times I heard of this happening. I think this is wistful thinking on your part. It's simply not that common. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:35 PM
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Right. But this is the far, far less common scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/15 06:55 AM
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the salesman is more skilled. Yes the product is better No. That's my point. This does NOT hold in the eyes of college girls - they evidently prefer Chad in his early 20s. If at that moment, a portal opens and 30-yr-old-chad steps through, he looks about the same, but is dressed well, and is a hell of a lot smoother. I'm arguing that he would out-compete the 19 year old version. Your vignette is somewhat ironic, considering that you were chiding the commenter you originally replied to for imagin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/15 08:28 PM
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I think the point is that Chad will have had an easier time picking up 19 year old girls when he was 19 than he will picking up those same girls when he's 30+. While his SMV may have increased in your eyes, it doesn't change the fact that a lot of 19 year old women would prefer to hook up with 19 year old Chad than 30+ year old Chad. Yes, some Chads (but not every Chad) at 30 will have a successful career that may work in their favour - but his age is still a limiting factor for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/15 06:41 PM
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Running is a really good activity to get in to if you're having trouble. Only a decent pair of shoes and a bit of motivation required!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:46 PM
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Not Red. Climbing, running, yoga and pilates, general gym and light lifting are my regular workouts, and I play the occasional game of badminton. I take the odd dance and tai chi class and mean to do more when I have a quieter schedule. Would love to try krav maga - it's on the list!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:45 PM
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Just to acknowledge - I will get round to reading this at some point, hopefully soon. Thanks for posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:38 PM
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Take away all the sex and the dating, would I still want to hang out with her? I feel like TRP plays this aspect of relationships down a lot, but it can be so important! Not to say that sex and dating isn't important, but I think they really need to be supported by this underlying principle in order for the relationship to really thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:36 PM
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I can't imagine how hard it must be for you both to re-start in a new location every few years! Keeps life exciting I guess, but you'd definitely have to be up to a challenge! Respect, sincerely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:32 PM
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It seems amazing, but I don't think I've seen a topic like this come up in my time here yet. Interesting question! We were long distance for a while and it was ~3.5 years before we could finally live in the same shared home (and country), so we had lots of time to talk about these things thoroughly which I think really helped! After 2 years living together we've got things down pretty well now. For finances, we each transfer an equal chuck of our respective monthly incomes into a join bank accou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/15 11:21 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 10:32 PM
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You should make up your own mind based on what's already here - pages and pages of the very debate you're looking for. We're not going to debate on your command because you can't be bothered to do some research.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/15 05:44 PM
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No no, you missed the point of this exchange. The point is that you are a flagrant hypocrite. You admitted yourself that you've stopped trying, and yet you want others to play by the rules rules which you don't bother to keep. This is what my whole point boils down to, and why I started this exchange. I would say I'm sorry, but in reality I'm not. See, there you go missing the point. I'm not looking for you to apologise - those people weren't you, and I don't expect you to apologise on their beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/15 08:16 PM
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Okay, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 08:07 PM
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Right, but if the female version of that happened (she gets fat, stops sexual activity, doesn't put any effort into the relationship) a high quality man would also probably seek to leave her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 07:21 PM
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The same doesn't apply to women This is my exact point - in my experience it's becoming more common for women not to mind this. I wouldn't, the OP you replied to wouldn't, and my colleagues wives' certainly didn't. a guy who achieved more in his life than doing the diapers and the dishes. I think you know that taking a career break for childcare is not achieving less in life than doing the diapers and the dishes. And if that is your definition of what a stay at home parents' life amounts to, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 06:18 PM
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I was just going to say this!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 06:12 PM
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Excellent logic. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 11:53 AM
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I don't disagree that most women want their husbands to have a career of some sort - but being a SAHD is not the same as not having a career, and I doubt most women would see it as that. I could be mistaken, but I believe that most women (again, in these kinds of fields) who take time off for childcare these days also go back to work after a year or two - does that also count as a 'sabbatical'? Most families simply can't afford to do the traditional SAHM thing, where the mother leaves the workfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 09:25 AM
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It's quite true, for the field I work in at least. A lot of my male colleagues are married to women who also work in high earning jobs (surprise surprise, skilled professionals don't tend to marry the check out girl...) In the last year two of these colleagues have taken time off for patenting while their wives went back to work. One of these men just came back to his role a couple weeks back after almost a year away and seemed quite pleased with the decision to split childcare this way - he eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 08:59 AM
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Funny that solipsism offends you. Really? I've barely had a debate on here without a Red Piller calling me solipsistic, telling me I'm hamstering, or indeed much worse. I've been told I have an inferior female brain, that I 'must be autistic', that I must be a 'bitch' to my SO. Suggesting that you're solipsistic is barely an insult, considering how easily TRPers throw the term around. If you can't take it Aerobus, don't dish it out. Either way, I'm not saying it to offend you. I'm saying it's be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 07:33 AM
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Whatever dude. I don't know how many times I've said it - I'm not from TBP. I just happen not to be Red. I flat out don't like TBP sub. Edit: But hey, good effort. Amazing refutation of my points. I am bowled over. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/15 07:20 AM
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Well then you're wrong. Some of them actually enjoy debate. The difference is, TRP thinks of debate as a healthy discussion, and TBP only thinks of debate as when RPers agree to at least a few non-RP ideas. Your solipsism is showing. Some non-Red Pillers enjoy debate. Blanket statements about either side do not apply. I have also encountered dozens of TRPers who are flat out unwilling to debate. I'm not from TBP. I'm not Red or Purple, I'm just not from that sub. I'm not pleased with the Blue Pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 08:27 PM
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How do you feel about poor people for whom the pursuit of money literally dictates a lot of their life? I see what you're saying, but I would still say to that poor person that they should also pursue other things that make them happy. It's not wrong to pursue something, but it simply won't help matters to let it consume you. I know they say a dollar is worth much more to a poor man than that same dollar is to a rich man - but the existence of that dollar does not diminish the fact that there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 08:21 PM
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Do you think TRP is "separated from reality"? In many ways, yes. One of the great ironies for TRP for me has always been the hypocrisy inherent in the 'solipsism!' accusations they level at women/non-Red Pill men/society in general. While TRP men may be experiencing their reality, it's clearly not the reality for much of society - no matter how much they claim it is by saying others are 'asleep'. Many TRPers I've debated with seem unwilling to even contemplate that there's 'another side to the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 08:15 PM
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I'm sorry you're having problems. I hope things improve for you. I agree about the 20%/80% rule. I see what you're saying about the topic of Red Pill being sex; but if the sentiments expressed on TRP are followed through, I feel like the pursuit of sex must dictate - and I mean that in the strongest sense - a lot of Red Pill mens' lives. We may disagree on whether that's actually a problem or not though. I'm of the opinion that diversifying the parameters for what can make them happy might help.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 08:02 PM
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I have seen so much circlejerking from them it's ridiculous. They want this subreddit to be another TBP. I would say the exact same for the Red Pill side. You don't seem willing to debate. All you seem to do is you come in, state the Red Pill stance, and then re-state that same stance when someone engages you. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the mods have had to delete more than a few of your own comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 07:56 PM
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There's nothing at all wrong with valuing sex. I think most people would say they value sex, both in relationships and out. It's an important part of being human. I'm surprised this specific accusation has been leveled at you - I don't think you've come off that way in the past. On the other hand, when I look at TRP, I do get the impression that a great deal of the posters are literally obsessed with sex, as in it consumes their every thought and action. Whether that's because they're not gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 07:11 PM
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Oh right. In that case I do agree! I find that when people actually announce that they're thinking of 'going Red' it's really just attention-seeking 'why don't you BEG me to stay?' nonsense, and they're already decided.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 06:49 PM
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I'm of the mindset that if you are fence-sitting, you are probably going to go full red. I disagree here. I don't don't identify as 'Blue Pill' because to be honest I don't like the sub much, but I'm far from Red Pill. I'd hate to think my only options were 'full Red' or 'full Blue'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 05:08 PM
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Your proposed changes sound like a step in the right direction, though I agree that there will need to be some clarification around subjects which have been 'beaten to death'. If users don't want to get involved in a particular discussion because they've 'been there, done that', what's wrong with them just not joining the thread? There's usually a new perceptive offered when topics are discussed again. Anyway, thanks for all your hard work, mod team!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 05:04 PM
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Crack down on people who don't take this subreddit seriously. Does that include you then? Because I distinctly remember you saying the other day that you 'only come here for entertainment'. Edit: Why the downvote? It's a serious question. Your own posts here tend to be low-effort, standard Red Pill drivel, churning out the same old stuff - and then you complain about non-Red Pillers being unwilling to debate when that's clearly not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/15 04:59 PM
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Not really, because chances are if you're smart enough to realistically even be shooting for doctor at all you recognise that it's a very different career from nursing. 'Nurse' isn't 'Doctor lite'; they're vastly different professions. The only similarities really are that they share the same 'clients' in patients - the same way for example a corporate lawyer and a corporate tax accountant share the same clients which they do different work for. Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 05:28 PM
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It's not women who are obsessed with Chad, it's TRP. For real. Why don't you all get down on your knees and suck him off already?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 05:17 PM
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Nope. Doctors and nurses have completely different career paths - most of those who 'fail at being doctors' go into the sciences or research. Very rarely do you get an aspiring doctor becoming a nurse, or vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/15 05:04 PM
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Christ. Feeling a little angry there, mate? Bit bitter at the world maybe? I came to this woman's defence because you were attacking her for daring to identify the same thing you did. You were being a child and were basically going 'nuh-uh! I have it SO MUCH WORSE"!!!111!' What do you want people to say? Do you want more pity? THAT's why I said you've only yourself to blame. Unlike lepers in India, you're a bit of a cunt - so don't worry. I COMPLETELY understand why you're FA. I get that 100%. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 08:24 PM
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It's not my fault if you don't understand [...] what the "Foreveralone" slang means. Yeah. I don't really consider this a bad thing. You've only yourself to blame if you don't have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 06:08 PM
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Jesus, your witch hunt is getting a bit sad mate. You're obviously just looking for a reason to resent this woman, and no matter what she says you're going to continue that search. If you're FA yourself, consider that this kind of determined hatred will not help you. Calm down, go spend your weekend doing something that doesn't involve scolding some random woman on the internet. I'm sorry if that's harsh but this exchange was cringeful to watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 11:27 AM
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Isn't FA a sub where people go to talk about their problems? They don't go there to get picked up, it's not a hookup forum. The womens' standards aren't the problem - it's the mens' inability to see that FA isn't the correct arena to try to pick up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 11:21 AM
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Because the whole sub appears to consist of the beloved 'anger phase'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/15 11:07 AM
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Why do you buy into TR then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 11:34 AM
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Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 11:29 AM
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Look, I haven't read the studies either. It's not 'my science'; I'm not the OP, and I'm not defending the conclusions. The question of their validity - and by the way, they appear to be at least as reputable as the studies TRP bases a lot of its thinking on - is kind of besides the point here. That's not what I'm debating. My intention was to point out the irony in your apparently uneducated dismissal of these studies in a thread about whether or not men also sometimes put their feelings about a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/15 11:28 AM
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And yet you have ZERO science backing up your own outrage...and who said anything about nice guys or making fun of them? The topic here is whether men also engage in hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 01:24 PM
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I'm honestly not trying to be inflamatory but - isn't this a form of hamstering right here? Trying to explain away what appears to be objective truth because it makes you a bit uncomfortable or doesn't quite jive with how you'd like things to be..? And then you reject these scientific studies with 'what a load of shit'...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/15 06:25 AM
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Dear Fucktard I didn't resort to quite such pathetic lows.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 09:06 PM
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See if you hadn't started this with 'listen twat'? Then I might have engaged you. I don't have time for your type though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 08:52 PM
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Oh fuck off dickhead. Not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 08:49 PM
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I suppose the mutuality of the act doesn't mean that the stakes are the same. Isn't a sugar-daddy still 'used for his money' even if he gives it willingly?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 08:24 PM
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Just to be clear - what we were discussing was the idea that trying to make a woman see her own hamstering was 'similar to trying to explain colour to a blind man.' That's what I was referring to when I asked you how this applied to men who also don't think women hamster more than men. I'll assume this is what you're responding to, but just wanted to delineate that again in case. or it's even possible they recognized some aspect of reality that I haven't. So it basically comes down to a lack of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 08:20 PM
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Wow! This one woman! I think I need to leave this debate now. With that, you have destroyed me. Seriously though, this adds nothing to the debate, except to demonstrate that you are letting your emotions of false superiority take precedence over logic. Also I'm not sure you know what 'literally' means?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 08:07 PM
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Okay, but you accept that there are men who disagree with your opinion that women hamster more than men do, and are thus unable to see this phenomenon that you claim women will never understand? Whether it's hamstering or not to disagree is a bit more subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:24 PM
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By...linking some random image? Because your own post proves nothing. If you've nothing logical to add, please scurry along.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:22 PM
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Thanks for sourcing these. I will come back to them later when I have a bit more time to actually look at them, but for now can you answer my question about men who disagree with your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:16 PM
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Excuse me? What has this to do with me? I said nothing of rape bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:14 PM
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Sorry to start two threads - but this sounds like when I was as Catholic school and teachers would tell me I'd have to feel the faith before I believed it. It couldn't be explained - only the faithful understood. True believers would understand, and sinners never would. I didn't buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 06:25 PM
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Eh, it's more of a personal preference, I wouldn't think anything less of a woman who decided that she didn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 06:23 PM
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women historically had little power to effect change through action given our obvious size and strength differences. Instead, women developed mechanisms in the mind to control behaviour in order to effect the most positive social benefits for herself. Male evolutionary developments were more on the side of problem-solving and physical tasks, as again, they led to survival. This is an interesting read, and I hate to play the 'source' card, but asking honestly: is any of this actually scientifical…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 06:17 PM
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Again, this is just hugely lazy reasoning. What you're doing is making a statement that is impossible to prove and then excusing yourself from expounding upon it with 'only people who agree with me can understand it'. I mean, this is the exact kind of reasoning all those feminist complaints about about x and y are founded upon - 'you have to be a woman to understand precisely why it's so insulting, but of course you still have to accept it'. I'm sure there are plenty of guys who would also disag…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 05:21 PM
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I think inexperience was more attractive when I was younger. Today, if I were looking at all I probably wouldn't actively prefer a virgin or anything. I'm 24 now, so probably past the excitement of 'teaching' anyone anything (not that I ever have). On the other end of the scale, I'd probably find it slightly unattractive if a guy has nailed half the girls in the city. 12-15 would be the upper limit there, but I wouldn't rule out either inexperience or lots of experience on that alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:59 PM
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Why bother then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:51 PM
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This extremely lazy reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:51 PM
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In terms of putting feelings about an issue before the reality of a situation, where that reality might not be a comfortable one to accept - men do this equally often. It's a defence mechanism, a simple propensity to fool yourself. For instance, there was a guy on here earlier telling me I must be autistic because he apparently couldn't accept my point of view. He may well have believed this, but it didn't make it true. To him, this was a reality that satisfied his angry and frustrated emotions.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:48 PM
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Not to mention of course professional trades and services - doctor, lawyer, accountant, teacher/professor, clerk, journalist. There's also business owner, merchant trader, national and local government, inventor/engineer, factory worker, craftsperson, hospitality...plenty of less traditionally labour-intensive jobs, if that's what you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 04:27 PM
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He's doing it to me too. I'd just leave it, this guy sounds beyond help. He's just a lonely guy jerking off at his keyboard. How sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 12:37 PM
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Okay, fair enough. We disagree, but at least you're consistent with your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:32 AM
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Always a sure sign of an excellent debater when you start frothing at the mouth with personal attacks lol. Once again, I'd like to point out that we're not the ones who need an internet how-to guide to human interaction. Do you honestly think that means that you're the socially adept one?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:25 AM
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So I'm guessing by your 'you don't have much experience' that you've run out of steam? That's your best response to my argument, is it? Don't make me laugh petal. I'm not the one who needs an internet guide to tell me how to interact with othet human beings lol. I've sustained a 6 year, stupidly happy relationship, and we wouldn't have gotten this far if either of us had been as dull as you are. I think it's pretty clear which of us has more 'experience' - and for the record, postulating about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/15 07:19 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww So, you'd like to spend large amounts of non-sexual time with this woman then? Sure. Statistics say you're the one who is weird - most people, men included, gravtitate towards people on the same intellectual level as them, for both romantic and platonic relationships. Your holier than thou attitude is empty, and I think you know it. But who knows. In my experience, people who don't value intelligence are generally of low intelligence themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:29 PM
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Fair enough. I just feel like I see a lot of whinging on TRP about how women (supposedly - I think it's becomeing less common, but we probably disagree) are into certain guys because of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:24 PM
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Alpha in DA HOUUUSE
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:20 PM
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I just wanted to pop in randomly to say that I really enjoy your posts! We're sometimes on opposite sides of the debate (though frequently not!), but I always find your posts really insightful. So, thanks, I guess!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:19 PM
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Just out of interest, do you expect to do all the the above for women? Where are you adding value for her, to require this kind of effort? Because I don't think 'lifting' cuts it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:13 PM
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Right, but she can also walk away if she decides he doesn't make enough. That would be her preference and all. In this world, lower income men are, after all, disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:09 PM
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It's very much his business if he intends to commit to you So you're okay with the idea of a woman asking a guy upfront how much he earns? In your world, if seems like it would be very much her busines if she's going to start putting out for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 08:01 PM
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You can't justify it. I think it's wrong. It made sense in the past, when women didn't have their own jobs and society was set up so that men did play the provider role. Now though, we're close to equal pay, so the rationale behind it isn't really there. I think it still exists because it's a tradition people think they need to play up to, but I don't like it when women insist or expect men to pay for dates just because they're the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 07:19 PM
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Fair enough. By those standards then, the first experience for men is just as 'valuable'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 07:14 PM
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I guess so, but that doesn't mean the thing has quantifiable, objective value. Even at that, a lot of people don't think even the first time is valuable - I didn't. I have fond memories, but it wasn't a thing of 'value'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:54 PM
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lol, Maidenhead. I think you've been reading too much Game of Thrones.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:51 PM
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I think the key difference is that it's important to the individual 'losing it', but outside of that it's really not a big deal. The same way the wedding of the that woman you work with is important to her - but why should it matter to anyone else? It has no intrinsic value outside of the value the subject places on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:49 PM
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I have seen you talk about this stuff a lot, and I'm barely around anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 07:08 PM
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No problem. But you know and I know fine well what happened here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:25 PM
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What? Just what? Was this reply meant for me? This isn't a religious sub btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:23 PM
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Excellent post, this was really interesting reading. Thanks for taking the time to set this out!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:15 PM
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Oh cool, are you one of those TRP mimicking bots? I didn't know they had them on PPD!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:13 PM
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen all the time. I'm saying don't deny that that's what happened here, as you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:11 PM
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Some gender traits are nature, others are nurture. As others have said, in general like attracts like. Money/earning potential is becoming a less important factor in female attraction to men as womens' own earning power increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:07 PM
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I've never disqualified a friend from my group due to his IQ I struggle to believe this. Are you saying you would be happy to spend your time with someone who doesn't interest you intellectually? That's not a dimension you value in interpersonal relationships? You don't have to actively 'exclude' anyone, but the case for most people is that they end up surrounded with people who are of a similar intellectual capacity. Being a good person isn't really enough to keep a relationship going. I'll go …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 06:00 PM
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No he's not telling you you're wrong about your relationship. Except that he was. She called it one thing, he denied that this was the case. Red Pillers love speculating about things they know nothing about, including others' relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 05:56 PM
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There have been people yelling about the collapse of society since the industrial revolution, and probably before that. And you know what? We're still here. TRP needs to get over the Hellfire and Brimstone thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 05:46 PM
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I'm not taking it literally - I know even AWALT isn't meant that way. My statement stands though. Even if they don't literally think women are scum (which would be one of those annoying instances where people use 'literally' too liberally anyway! But, I digress), it's safe to say that there's a general contempt for women on TRP that is of a level that is unreasonable to most people; ergo, people take issue with it. I get that TRP kind of shoots above the mark to reach the mark, if you will. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:21 PM
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You keep talking about how you've 'met' a lot of women, but I'm afraid I'm not convinced you've interacted with many. If I'm mistaken, too bad. But I don't think I am. This is a debate sub, yes - but I generally prefer to debate with people who are rational, and who know that saying things like 'the vast majority of women have casual sex and expect betas to pick up the tab!' etc. is bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I've debated with plenty of TRPers on here. Most of them engage rationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:15 PM
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Uh huh. Sure. I 100% believe you. have a nice day bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:10 PM
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Upvoting just to balance the downvote. I've read plenty TRP. I was just mimicking your own words. They may enjoy the sex they get from them, but let's not pretend that TRP has anything less than absolute contempt for 'sluts'. Putting up with? A true TRP man doesn't give a fuck about a woman (as an object of desire, not just anyone on the street) has to put up with. Either put out or next. Sure, whatever. I'm just chucking back at you what you're giving me. RP isn't a teaching. It is an awakening…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:09 PM
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I honestly can't tell if you're a troll at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:58 PM
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lol. Yeah sorry, I'm not reading past your first sentence. Even TRP doesn't take AWALT that far. You are so very wrong. Why don't you looks at some statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 07:11 PM
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I didn't say trp I said rp type knowledge Oh right, fair enough. In that case I still don't think many men learn RP 'type' knowledge - the reality is that most men simply don't believe that women are as described by TRP, and they get on just fine. I DO think those same men have probably learned what makes them attractive (i.e., take care of your looks, don't be a doormat - these are the common sense things most men in society learn without Red Pill and the associated 'AWALT' stuff), but I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 10:18 AM
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I don't know, but just looking at the posting history...maybe not this one. I remember it was something like that though!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 09:35 AM
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lol! I don't think that's the same user...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 09:30 AM
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I'm not Red Pill, but why on Earth was this downvoted? It was hugely reasonable. This down-voting bullshit has got to stop. It's tedius.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 09:26 AM
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I think the general theme of concentrating on yourself is positive, and I really like the mindset of challenging yourself to improve. I'm all for that. I admire their commitment to being a good SO to their partners, and although we might disagree sometimes on precisely how to go about that, I do share that desire with them. From time to time I actually see some posts on there that I agree with. Many of the women over seem genuinely lovely, so forgive what I'm about to say! I'm hugely put off by …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 09:22 AM
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I hate to break it you you, but 'most guys' actually do get on just fine without TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 09:00 AM
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You may not be angry, but you weren't applying much reading comprehension to this exchange. I have no idea why you went on a little tirade about how hard it is for regular looking men to get sex, and made sweet little comments about how much you adore Interview with a Vampire. That's nice, do you like Twilight too? /s Why would women hate the red pill for that? For the reasons I mentioned in my other post. Funnily enough, I'm against alimony where the woman has worked through the marriage, so wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:59 AM
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I invoked the virgin prude narrative because tone was set with references to 'CC riders', which is, to use your words, pretty close to the cheapest zing TRP men use to shame women into putting up with their insecure 'my penis might be smaller than his' bullshit. I haven't read the link TBH, but my point is that you don't need to be TRP to have a backbone; plenty of men already have this without Red Pill teachings, and that is not what women hate about TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:55 AM
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Then do please explain to us why women don't like the red pill? For real? I feel like you're playing dumb here. AWALT, smartest teenager in the house, women can't feel empathy, advice on how to manipulate people by using their weaknesses, etc. You know fine well what I'm talking about. because men are learning about the true nature of women? This might be your opinion, but it is certainly NOT a fact, and therein we have ANOTHER reason people take issue with TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:50 AM
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I'll reply to this in the morning but for now please refrain from straw manning me. Maybe it's a sore point for you, but I didn't say anything about men getting casual sex easily. Calm the fuck down petal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 10:01 PM
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Sure bro. Fool yourself however you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 07:38 PM
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If they'd dumped me for lying about that past, fair enough. I wouldn't put up with that shit from a guy either. Having a backbone though doesn't necessarily mean you're a virgin prude who's uncomfortable with the fact that people have had sexual partners before. It's probably the opposite actually. 'Having a backbone' =/= TRP. I think you know fine well that's not the problem people have with TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 06:17 PM
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Eh, no. I like men with a 'backbone', but I still don't like TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 05:50 PM
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I'm a woman. My relationship works very much like OP above described. It's just really not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 05:16 PM
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Doesn't really work It works for me, and for a lot of people. I don't know why you Red Pillers struggle so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/15 11:21 AM
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You understand that this means very little out of context though? Vague answer to a vague question: in some arenas, women have the innate advantage. In some areas, men do. In many arenas, success comes down to how much effort you're willing to put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 05:05 PM
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Speak for yourself bro. Don't apply your own low standards to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 04:57 PM
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Not shaming. It's just rather sad and desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/15 06:38 PM
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You're a troll. Gotcha. Either way, how sad your life must be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 09:43 PM
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Way are you seeking the approval of a stranger on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/15 08:01 AM
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Just telling it like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 06:31 PM
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Don't worry, most of them have never seen a naked woman before, they're just guessing here. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 05:40 PM
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There's a difference between 'Western' and 'First World'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 01:47 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:29 PM
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That would be disingenuous and petty. People can have a change of heart, there's nothing shameful about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 10:58 AM
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People coming from TBP sub aren't the only voices of opposition around here. But then, TRP always likes to ignore that...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/15 10:49 AM
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Each sex does something the other can't. Except your theory falls flat when you realise that women CAN in fact work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 12:42 PM
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In economics that's called comparative advantage, and it doesn't apply here. If you assumed that the only two 'goods' in society were offspring and labour, and our aim was to constantly produce both, then it might be more relevant, but I'm afraid reality is rather different than that. It would be inefficient to take women out of work to have children all the time. Our modern knowledge-based economy is a lot more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 12:41 PM
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Maybe more women than men, for various reasons, vote liberal now. But as I understand it, the actual Labour movement was spearheaded and organised by working men, who formed unions to assert their rights / represent their interests. This was before the spread of feminism - before women even had the vote, and when most of them never had anything to do with the workforce. The Labour movement was driven by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/15 12:32 AM
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The labour movement has always been spearheaded by working men. It's not something that women brought about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 08:40 PM
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Women have to be given resources one way or another. And yet TRP also complains about women taking jobs from men. If you're Australian, you'll know that spousal support goes both ways there - in the absence of a prenup, women are liable to financially support their former partners the same way men are. Socialism, I.E. wealth redistribution through taxes. I assume you support Abbott then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 08:37 PM
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To be fair, I don't think a lot of the 'Reds' posting here fully understand TRP either. In any case, many of the Red Pill posters seem to have diverging opinions on certain RP topics, so that makes it even harder to find a common understanding. Usually the case is that you're debating one particular person's opinion, which doesn't necessarily reflect the views of TRP. In terms of having a deep knowledge of TRP - I think it depends on what exactly you're looking to debate. Most of the debates her…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:25 PM
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You're the one who's trying to change the premise. Is it the same behaviour we're talking about or isn't it? You couldn't seem to decide. You're stalking away now under the guise of my supposed lack of understanding, but I think the reality is that you've crumbled when asked to elaborate on your reasoning. Don't try to blame me for that. lol, you want the last word, that's why you keep replying. You were insulting me. If you do that, I'll give it right back. Anyway, I'm done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 07:09 PM
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Hint: repeating the exact same thing you just said doesn't really help your argument. Just a friendly tip. You might like to use it in the future. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:44 PM
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Oh great, you just quoted yourself again. Really driving home the point, aren't we? So glad you're able to develop your arguments and not just repeat the same thing and hope someone will glean any sense from it. /s Edit Also, am I right in thinking that you DON'T actually want your view challenged at all after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:43 PM
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If we're citing biological differences now as an excuse to judge behaviour differently, then is it less objectionable when a woman 'branch swings' than when a man does it? It's in a woman's nature to do this, right? So it's not really as bad as when men do the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:41 PM
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No, it's not hypocritical, because they are two different standards. Read this again and tell me how that isn't hypocrisy. That's exactly what hypocrisy IS: judging other peoples' behaviour by different standards than you judge your own. They're different. How exactly arr they different? Again, I'm going to need a concrete example of behaviour, because this all depends really on the context. You didn't explain how you think it's relevant. I have explained a bunch of times now that it's relevant …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:27 PM
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How about you let me go through it one more time, since you seem so intent on arguing against a straw man? You've gone on a whole lot - for pretty much your whole reply - about how men doing x doesn't mean women are innocent. Did I say otherwise? Because I'm pretty sure I stressed in my other reply that 'MDIT' - or at least how I've seen it used around here - is not MEANT to divest women of responsibility for their actions. I think I've addressed that enough for now so I'll leave that there. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 06:22 PM
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You think the person you responded to was wrong, so that's how you chose to deal with it? The OP responded faithfully to the topic at hand, and explained why she thought 'MDIT' was not meant to divest women of responsibility for shitty behaviour. He/she did a good job of that too. I think your response was ignorant, but I'm not going to charge in with 'HAHAHAHA lol!' I know this might be hard for you, but this is the internet, and some people are going have a different opinion from you. They've …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 05:58 PM
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I'm sorry but HAHAHAHAHAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 03:07 PM
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No. When it comes to intersexual behavior, men and women are different. So you're not actually open to a debate then, right? You just want to call women guilty and men innocent of the same behaviour. There's no way around this illogical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 03:05 PM
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Take your trolling somewhere else buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 03:02 PM
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'Men do it too' IS relevant though when you're finding yourself getting pissed off at all women while excusing the same thing in men. It's normal to get pissed off at certain behaviour; what's objectionable is assigning blame to only half of the perpetrators.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 03:00 PM
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I would guess the reason that people respond 'men do it too' is not to justify the behaviour, but to point out hypocrisy. It helps to illustrate that x is less of a 'women' thing and more of a 'people' thing. For example, saying 'Cars made by Ford are fitted with seatbelts because it would be unsafe to drive without them', while true, is not very apt since it is only half of the truth - in reality, all cars are fitted with seatbelts for this reason. So it would be silly to go around saying that …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 02:57 PM
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This. I don't really care about the points in themselves, but it's frustrating when someone obviously disagrees and can't be assed verbalising their reasoning (or alternatively, they have none), so they downvote your comment instead. What's the point in a debate sub where you don't engage in debate? It's petty and wearying. Both sides do it and it's annoying as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 02:30 PM
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Right, and my point is: who are you arguing against? Who is it that's SAYING 'marriage is so good'? The title is worded to suggest that it's Blue Pillers, but this isn't the case as far as I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 11:46 AM
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there are other TBPers who think that marriage is good Right, and there are 'other TRPers' who think that marriage is good. Not everyone from TBP says marriage is 'good' and not everyone from TBP thinks that marriage is 'bad'.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 01:00 AM
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Really? Like where? Can you quote? I'm afraid 'some of the comment sections' is rather vague.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/15 12:52 AM
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Yeah, with you apparently. Please don't insult all men to think that your standards apply to them. That's your solipsism shining through.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 08:52 PM
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Yeah dude, you got low standards. Some people just aren't worth the effort - if you're not, it's not really our problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 08:48 PM
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There are blue pill women attempting to argue that the divorce rate is "declining". Who is saying this? Can you give me an example or quote? This is an attempt to get men to believe marriage isn't really that bad of a deal. Same question. Notice its always the feminists, women's groups and "conservative" focus on the family that are attempting to CONVINCE MEN that marriage is so good. Same question. Because honestly, it's been a LONG time since I heard anyone except religious folk argue that mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 08:46 PM
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Edit: Replied to wrong comment, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 08:42 PM
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Wait, who are you arguing against here? Who is saying that marriage is 'good'? I think a lot of people on both sides of the debate could agree that marriage is only as strong as the people committing to it. The divorce rate is high because, for better or for worse, 'marriage' doesn't mean what it used to. A piece of paper or jewelry doesn't mean shit. Marriage is almost irrelevant in terms of how 'strong' a couple is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 07:39 PM
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Men must be dominante, successful, passionate, fit, funny, sociable, aggressive but not too aggresive, good at listening, and intelligrnt. If you fail at even on e of these, her tingles will break apart. I'm starting to get the impression that Red Pillers only go for extremely flaky, fickle women. Justbnot be TOO fat. You know fine well women need to be more than this to maintain a happy relationship. I can't speak for you, but most men have higher standards than 'not fat'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/15 07:34 PM
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I reported you because you broke the rules. Which rules did he brake, exactly? Because I have to say, I've historically known you to report people a lot and I can't always see what 'rules' they're breaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:18 PM
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Perfect example of why blooper replies keep getting downvoted. It's not though. You get downvoted for anything these days if you appear to lean too far away from Red. I usually try to engage with the intent of having an honest and civil debate, but sadly that's not usually not met with the same intentions. I'm starting to care less to be honest. I don't deny that this guy was trolling, but let's not pretend that that's the only thing it takes to get a non-Red comment downvoted these days. They'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:13 PM
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No, people just get weary of the other side constantly declaring themselves the winner. 'You're wrong; I am right' does not count as winning a debate. I've rarely seen either side conclusively win a debate here. It just tails off until one person tires out. But her, if that all it takes for you to declare yourself the winner, then have at it I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:06 PM
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Exactly, any RP here with a basic level of reasoning can dismiss all arguments that have been made by BPs here, they will never win a debate here, ever. Are you saying that with your fingers in your ears going 'LALALA I CAN'T HEEEEAR YOU'? Because that's the impression I get whenever someone here declares their logic superior no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 05:01 PM
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What else is there to do but troll in the face of a massive circlejerk? Serious question.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:56 PM
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When you lose arguments constantly I'm sure you'll be able to link us some of the arguments that you've 'won recently then, right? If it's that common I'm sure you have many examples to hand. I mean, it's easy to declare yourself the winner when you're not open to debate in the first place, and when you get 17 little upvotes for a dumb comment like this. I'm not a 'Blue Piller' or a SJW, and I'm not looking for a safe space. I took a break from PPD for a while, and I'm not surprised that many ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 04:54 PM
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K
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 09:14 PM
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No. It's 90% full of Red Pillers circlejerking, like yourself. Most non-Red commenters, myself included, seen to be saying things to the effect to the effect that the advice isn't bad but just outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:51 PM
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Ah, okay, that makes more sense then!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:29 PM
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lol Why yes, how did you know? You caught me. I actually keep my SO on a leash and have never done any of these things for him. And this thread alone is solid proof that every woman ever is this way. /s Nah bruh I just think some of you on here need to take a deep breath. It will all be okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:27 PM
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Okay. Interesting. Most of the feminists I know fall into the first, casual category - tbh I don't really have much experience with the second category except online. If you look at most attractive women that are public figures, they're almost never openly feminist. Eh, I dunno. It seems almost the other way round to me. A lot of objectively stunning women in the media have 'come out' as feminists over the last few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:23 PM
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I'm saving this thread as proof Jesus, this thread is getting really fucking sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:15 PM
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The type of women who are low-SMV (re: feminists) Just out of curiosity, what do you make of attractive women who identify as feminist? I haven't personally found feminists to lean ugly IRL, so I know you don't necessarily have to be low SMV to be a feminist. Do you put it down to self-interest also?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 08:09 PM
1

Oh, I didn't know 'willing to debate' meant downvoting people and not, y'know, debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:22 PM
1

Look mate, cut the 'sigh' and the snark. You give it to me I'll give it right back. I'd rather not though, because that's not part of how you have a friendly, open-minded debate. Can we agree not to act like little bitches and keep the snide out of it? I take your point - if you don't see sex as a big deal, you're probably more inclined to have a 'low barrier' for engaging in sexual activity. Subject to my argument below, that could mean cheating in the context of a relationship. However, as you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:17 PM
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The second part of number 1 and number 7 are a bit dumb. Other than that, the advice seems fine, if a little reductive of what will 'make him happy'. In other news, the Red Pill circle jerk going on in here is something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 04:22 PM
1

Of course. The word 'slut' has negative connotations, but the word you happen to use to describe someone who has promiscuous sex has no bearing on that person's morality, or their sense of right and wrong. None at all. That's another fallacy entirely - that having lots of sex automatically makes you a shitty person in some way. Let me ask you: I assume one of your goals as a Red Piller is to sleep with as many women as possible. Do you think the fact that you've slept with x number of people com…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 07:49 AM
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With that attitude, definitely. And it wouldn't be because of who Chad is or who she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 08:29 PM
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I suppose it depends on what precisely you think the morally questionable aspect of cheating is - is it the act itself, or the deception and hurt that it causes? Personally I'd say it's a bit of both, but the two components aren't related. There's no flow of cause and effect. Having sex with x number of people outside of a relationship doesn't mean you think it's okay to hurt someone you love. In any case, you can have promiscuous sex in a NSA context and value it very differently - and for diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 08:24 PM
1

What exactly is an average woman though? I'm a pretty average woman - I just stumbled across TRP one day and found it interesting. I can assure you though that the female friends I've discussed it with, all pretty 'average', have similar feelings about it. I mean, why else do you think TRP has the rule about not talking about it in public? Because the world at large doesn't like TRP. Edit: Whoops, sorry about the triple reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 08:37 PM
3

Thing is, most Terpers haven't finished puberty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 08:28 PM
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I know this is directed at women. Then why are you replying? Also: ladies and gentlemen, the dictionary definition of solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 08:26 PM
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It's simple logic that there's a correlation. There isn't. It's the same kind of thinking that you find people using to rationalise hatred of gays for instance - the logical flow is absent. Having casual NSA sex when you're single is one thing. Cheating on your partner is another. For the latter you need to be okay with hurting people you love. It's an entirely different ballgame
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 07:46 AM
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an indicator to be combined with other observations This is exactly what he is doing. He's just drawn different conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 08:05 PM
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Not Red, but this seems like the obvious choice to me. You have a much more reasoned stance that many Red Pillers. If I were a dude I'd be pretty wary of the type of woman who's 'saving it for someone special' i.e. I have hangups about sex and when we do finally get nasty I will pedestalise and become obsessed with you. Then again, I think it's that exact effect that many TRPers are going for... Hey, not to say the people shouldn't be selective, but... after a while, you realise that sex just is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 05:26 PM
1

I've been meaning to respond to this for a while. The only thing you mentioned previously that differs from TRP is that he is a "feminist", a term that is essentially meaningless without a lot of follow-up detail. He's a feminist in the sense that he thinks women are no less capable than men. He believes, like me, that most gender differences are down to nurture as opposed to nature. His mum was the main breadwinner in the household growing up, and the thought of my making more money than him do…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 05:07 PM
1

I think you're confused. Expecting the same rights as a fellow human does not mean you're trying to be that fellow human. Were black people trying to be white when they pushed for the right to vote? You're confusing the right with the people who have access to it. For example, the right to vote stems not from being white (male), but from being a citizen (human). Equal rights removes gender but it also removes their ability to have a gender. Wut. No. I don't think you even know what you're trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 01:40 PM
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Yes they are. As are men. My point still stands: There might just be more similarities between women and men than between women and pandas.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 01:35 PM
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Eh. I self-identify as straight and have made out with girls before. It's not much of a leap to think a lesbian would do the same. Someone pointed out elsewhere on the thread that female sexuality is more fluid than male. TBH I think very few people are completely straight or completely gay, after you take away societal pressure to be one thing or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 11:34 PM
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FYI, just in case you weren't aware of the fact: Pandas are animals and women are humans. There might just be more similarities between women and men than between women and pandas. Actually, I just read the rest of your post. It doesn't really make sense. Never mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 11:26 PM
1

Porn has some of the most beautiful women in the world? Really? I've found it to be generally the opposite...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:27 PM
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What? What about the above says 'men are pigs' to you? Are you that sensitive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:25 PM
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You're making an awful lot of assumptions about an awful lot of things and people you clearly know nothing about. I'm sorry, but you sound like a frustrated teenager who hates everything and thinks they know it all. Your experience is no more valid than others'. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:22 PM
1

You think TRP in any way represents a fair and balanced view of the world? Hah! Do you also think Fox News represents a fair and balanced coverage of politics?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:55 PM
1

Ah fair enough, it just seems like a lot of TRPers automatically write them off. Eh, I think it can depend on your mindset and your preconceptions about what gender roles and family 'should' be. If a guy had some deep-rooted belief that it's unmanly to stay at home, then if course he's going to feel inadequate in that role. I think a lot of it comes down to societal conditioning - but once you get past that I see no reason it should work any less well than the traditional model.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:46 PM
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If he wanted her to actually make the decision for him? I wouldn't recommend anyone ask another person to make that decision entirely on their behalf. Input from your SO is probably a good idea though, considering taking up care of an ailing parent can be potentially life-changing. I could see why he might turn to a friend for guidance. But yes, if you're constantly making decisions in the personal life of someone else, it would probably get tiresome. I think it would go both ways though - my SO…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 05:50 PM
1

Not everything fits neatly into either Blue Pill or Red Pill. Those are made up terms in the first place. The real world has many more colours.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 11:24 AM
1

PUA =/= Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 10:20 AM
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One of my guy friends and his brother were brought up by their stay at home dad (and they're in their 20s now, so it was even more rare when they were growing up). They're two of the most well-adjusted, socially and professionally successful guys I've ever met. They're pretty good with the ladies too, even by TRP standards. Their dad taught them woodwork and DIY and how to cook. They take career advice from their mum (and dad, but the former knows all about the corporate world). He went back to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:25 AM
1

When would a situation like this ever arise?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:11 AM
6

Thought so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 10:15 PM
5

lol. get out more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:52 PM
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It's incredibly simple. We're pretty chill. Sometimes he makes decisions, sometimes I do. Usually we talk them through and come to the decision we both want. We're a team; we both bring in resources and we decide together how to utilise them. It's not a battle of wills or anything. His penis doesn't give him special decision-making abilities, and my attraction doesn't hinge precariously on whether, god forbid, I have to 'make a decision in the relationship'. I don't think he'd like being the onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:51 PM
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But but. You must be fat or ugly! Please tell me you're fat or ugly! Squeze into my narrow strawman idea of feminist or GTFO! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:41 PM
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lol. You seriously think she has to be a 'fattie' for this kind of relationship to work? If so you're no better than the Blue Pillers who assume all RP relationships are automatically abusive. There is nothing remotely surprising about this dynamic. This sounds like your average, modern day, middle class relationship to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 09:39 PM
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All men want their time, space and attention to be valued. And most women don't need to be 'taught' how to give that, because it's not a man thing or a woman thing; it's a people thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:21 PM
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I know a few girls that are incapable of having an orgasm via masturbation. Seriously? As I understand it, it's much, much more likely to be the other way around (i.e. difficulty reaching orgasm through sex). I don't have them to hand so feel free to take this with a grain of salt, but I'm pretty sure I've seen stats that corroborate this. I was under the impression that a relatively small proportion of women could orgasm through vaginal sex, and that it was a 'skill' that comes with age. Anyway…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:09 PM
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How many outliers make a trend, exactly? Because I feel like I hear 'you're an outlier' a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 06:05 PM
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K. Fair enough. I still think you're wrong, but I'll leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 09:55 PM
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Says someone who can't fucking spell. I know I wouldn't trust you with a nuclear power plant...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 08:29 PM
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Nah. Men don't do AF/BB. The preferred sexual strategy is maximum sexual access to as many women as possible for as little investment as possible. Most men cannot do that. That sounds exactly like AF/BB. Instead of money it's sex, but it's essentially the same principle. Don't give me the 'med are too noble' bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/15 08:19 PM
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By that standard any increase to the population is an expense to men in general. Are we to limit the birth rate now so that a few select men can live unfettered while the rest of us are deprived of civil rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 05:26 PM
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Broad generalisations are one thing, but telling people they don't know what they want is just a massive, massive cop-out. I get why some people do it - it's the need to completely reject something that threatens your worldview. That said, it is incredibly annoying, and immediate confirmation to me that the accuser has never met more than two people in his basement-dwelling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 05:16 PM
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The idea postpartum depression existed even 100 years ago is hilarious. Except that symptoms of it have been documented in different cultures around the world for centuries...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 04:53 PM
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The official TRP advice is that all of those things will turn a woman off, LTR or no. I'm also about 99% certain that being a feminist - read: NOT a 'submissive little bitch', as you put it - is off the table with TRP. And you're absolutely fooling yourself if you think TRP is prepared to give the same amount of respect to women as men. Don't put words in my mouth; of course you have to earn it (and the ironic thing for TRP is that MOST people know apply this principle anyway). Thing is though, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 07:58 PM
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Open marriages are the final goal of modern feminism. Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 05:15 PM
2

What about a guy who can't be monogamous? Does he get similarly looked down upon?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 05:14 PM
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What? Who says this? Judging by the generic 'A feminist', the answer is no one ever, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 05:13 PM
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Oh, are Red Pill Men feminists? Welcome to the club guys! :) I also didn't know Red Pill men respected women the same way they did men! Nor that they show their emotions freely. Nor that they don't give a shit about female partner count. Not that they don't believe in manipulating other people's emotions. Well then, you're a better bunch than I thought! Do not presume to know anything about my SO. He thinks the theory is vile. He reaps his success from other sources. My point is that it's a comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 04:59 PM
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I think we've had this discussion before. The thing with TRP is that is prescribes a rather particular set of parameters that they proclaim will work with women. In doing that, it also excludes certain pieces of advice that other men have found useful in their dating lives. I get that the idea is to 'cast a wide net' but the fact is that a lot of men in the real world - if not most - get by with views that seem to clash with TRP. The Red Pill is pretty particular in its recommendations, and can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:49 PM
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I love that you believe him though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:16 PM
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I think what RPW mean is that they want a naturally 'high value' man. I agree that 'Being a TRPer /= being a "Red Pill man.'', but neither does 'being a high value man = being a "Red Pill man". For the sake of this discussion, we need to determine what DOES constitute a Red Pill man, and I think subbing to TRP is probably the best indicator we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:14 PM
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On the whole they do yes. No one is contesting that. there are some men and women to whom this doesn't apply though. A lot can depend on age and what's going on in your life. It's not a blanket 'this is always true'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:10 PM
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Hah. I think you're the one who literally has no idea what he's talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:09 PM
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He wants to hook up with YOU! Wow. Really??!! Little old me? Such an honour! Allow me a minute to pass out. You're making a lot of assumptions about how well this guy would pull off his game. Being Red Pill does not mean he's going to be great in the sack or anything. On the contrary, given that he needs TRP, there would probably be a lot of areas he was deficient in. This might sound harsh, but given the very nature and purpose of the sub, I imagine your average TRP user (though not all of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 03:08 PM
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I actually think it's a a good idea, and could be really effective. I'd encourage periods of it for both sexes. It's important to build a relationship with yourself so that you don't get too 'caught up' in the world and swept away by interpersonal relationships. In all likelihood, a certain amount of time invested in yourself will only benefit your future relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 02:51 PM
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Alright, fair enough. We don't disagree too far. I'm just not of the opinion that lying about partner count is not all that prevalent outside of certain circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 02:48 PM
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Nope. If you're into someone and you know they like you back, you should show it. Life is too short for anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 02:46 PM
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lol! But you're doing the same thing - you just admitted it above. You know what normal people don't do? They don't 'condition' their SOs in the first place. That, my friend, is fucked. Anyway. I just find it really interesting that this makes you so uncomfortable. Maybe you should think about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 02:36 PM
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If the 'stakes' were as high as keeping commitment, I think she very well could keep it quiet. There are a lot of forces that would go against her speaking about it. Prime among them, being called a 'slut'. These studies are lies to begin with. Right then, so is all the data TRP likes to use. As are your your own anecdotes. Statistics like these are just collected anecdotes after all. You can't just pick and choose which facts you'll accept to confirm your biased worldview. I mean, you could. bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 02:33 PM
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How is it implausible if you're doing it to her? It's already happening. I mean, are you delusional and do you have personality disorders? The motivation is that she thinks it pleases you. Why does the idea bother you so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 02:27 PM
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Is it though? You're doing it yourself; it's not entirely inconceivable she's doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:54 PM
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Welcome to the Pillosphere. Both sides are full of shitty studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:53 PM
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Granted, that sounds pretty terrible. It's one example though. Hah. A 'ho' very much can be a hosuewife. To be honest though, I don't know that many houewives these days...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:51 PM
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Admittedly, I don't hang around that sub - is it a topic that comes up regularly? Can you link me any examples you know of? I'm in my mid twenties, and I do hang around with actual women. TRP seems to pick out the very worst examples and hold them up as representative of everyone. I think my girlfriends would be pretty unimpressed with this kind of advice, and wouldn't give it. Then again, the guys I hang about with probably wouldn't care about partner counts either. It's just not something that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:49 PM
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no benefits at all to her making up something so ridiculous Except pleasing you? If anything, this would matter more in an 'actual relationship'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:45 PM
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This is interesting. Being brutally honest, I probably wouldn't choose to settle with someone who would be happy working behind a bar their whole life. I can't speak for the women in the study you mention, but I can also say with honesty that it's not about the money (because to be honest I'm making enough of that myself, which OP's study seems to suggest is true for many). It does matter to me however that my partner is as ambitious as I am. This has more to do with assumptions I make about int…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:43 PM
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I see what you're getting at, but what does low partner count have to do with this? He's not more likely to catch and STD because he's got a lower count than her. It comes down to protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:17 PM
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I have to say I agree. I wouldn't go as far as this, but if I know something pleases my SO, I'll play it up for him. Wouldn't everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:14 PM
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For a similar example , she finds it physically and mentally impossible to orgasm without me now . Just curious - how do you know she's not just telling you this? It obviously pleases you to think this. Ever wondered if she's got you conditioned that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:13 PM
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Very much so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:10 PM
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Possible STDs from her ho days, This is such a fallacy. Chances are, if you're having that much sex, you know a thing or two about protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:05 PM
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It's pretty common advice among girlfriends advising each other. I'm a woman and I'm telling you I've never heard this. I don't know who you're spending time with, but it's not that common.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 01:04 PM
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It's exactly why women tell other women to lie about partner count, I can honestly say I've never heard this. no man likes a ho for a housewife. Yes but. we're assuming he doesn't know he has a 'ho'. I imagine a woman wouldn't like a manipulator for a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 12:28 PM
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This is poor logic. You really don't think a woman could keep it quiet if she wanted to? I'm not condoning it, but I think it would be entirely possible. lying about her partner count is very important in a woman's sexual strategy Most women don't feel the need to lie about their partner count - for one, studies indicate that the average woman doesn't have that many sexual partners before marriage/settling down; and in any case a lot of men don't care about partner count. To consider lying, I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 12:26 PM
1

You say it never hurts women. I literally just said it may hurt some women the way it hurts men. Actually, I'm done. You're determined to dodge the debate at hand. Oh, and by the way, you're wrong. I don't have to provide any evidence for that stance, because that's not what we're debating. You're just wrong. have a nice evening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 07:34 PM
1

That is true. But you are not providing any evidence for this claim. This is my point. You can't just gloss over the whole debate with 'it's true'. I contest that, and we won;t go any further until this point is settled. That is precisely what's up for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 07:01 PM
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No, you're not asking for evidence. For real? I literally just asked for evidence. Do I have to ask again? Is there some magic string of words that will make it more clear to you? Let it be clear now: I'm asking for evidence. You're dodging now. Saying 'you'd just dismiss it' is not doing you any favours. It makes me think you don't have the evidence I ask for. You say you have anecdotes to back up your claim. I also have some counter anecdotes. Where does that leave us? We need something more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:59 PM
1

A better analogy would be a woman believing that all men were made of fairy dust, and then being shocked and devastated to learn this wasn't the case. There's no reasonable basis for either belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:51 PM
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Context. You can assume, based on said contect, that I am talking about promiscuous sex, because that's what's under discussion. Sure, some women might be harmed by promiscuity. I don;t deny that. Equally, some men might be harmed by promiscuity. What's you point? Is it that sometimes, promiscuity harms some people? Sure, I get that. I get the feeling that wasn't your point though. I get the feeling that what you're getting at it that women are more harmed by promiscuous sex than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:49 PM
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Yes. I'm asking you to reply with evidence, not your opinion. Can you see the difference? Also, once more: calm down. Take another deep breath. It's only Reddit. If you keep Capslocking I'm out. It's a sign of a poor debater.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:45 PM
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Strawmen, goalpost moving, appeals to authority, shaming. Yes, this is what you are doing. I haven't changed any goalposts. We're still talking about women having 'promiscuous' sex and whether it ruins them. I'm saying, on the whole, assuming there have been no traumatic experiences, that it does not ruin them. But it's not true that promiscuity never ever ever harms women. Quote where I said this precice thing. You're the one taking the extreme position here, that promiscuity never harms women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:12 PM
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Look, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm just not having this debate again. I've been over these same points elsewhere in the same thread - the 'Women are Wonderful effect' included. My opinion is that you're pretty freaking naive if you think women aren't capable of the same shitty things as men. I know enough men who've never thought this to draw my conclusions. If you need TRP to tell you that women are human, go right ahead. But don't try to blame society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 06:05 PM
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How would she be broken because of having sex, in a way than a man wouldn't? Assuming of course we can rule out traumatising experiences, which we probably can. You're just running off the TRP party line - and you seem to forget that not everyone subscribes to those beliefs. There's no evidence at all to say that women are 'ruined' by sexual experiences any more than men are. Be honest; you're just looking for a rationale to back up your prejudice here. If you don't want to date 'sluts' that's t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 05:59 PM
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Oh, and these people tell him that women are above human flaws, do they? I don't think so. lol, I watched Disney movies too an I didn't get that message - and neither did plenty of other people. I'm sorry, but it IS your fault if the idea that 'women are human too' is new to you. You were naive. Do you want sympathy or something? I thought TRP was all about facing the harsh reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 05:51 PM
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Or maybe they just think people who do care are dumb and want to demonstrate that. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some guys do give lip service to the idea to impress women. But I'm also talking about living it instead of talking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 05:15 PM
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I mean, I don't care about my partner's count, and yet I'll defend it on the internet. In my experience it's only guys who've had serious trouble getting sex at some point in their lives that get hung up on the 'slut' thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 05:13 PM
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That might or might not be true. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 05:04 PM
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I'm in the UK. It's not wildly different to the U.S. Culturally speaking, we're pretty similar - although I think casual sex is frowned upon more in certain parts of the U.S than it is here. The big population centers will be similar though, and I imagine that's where most Redditers live.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 05:02 PM
6

You said: Red Pilled comments are definitely unfairly deleted It's not my fault if you can;t follow your own thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 11:07 AM
1

This is a really interesting take on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 11:04 AM
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Uhm. No. Comments are only deleted if they break the rules. That goes for both sides. Why don't you go ask on of the mods? I'm sure they'd be pleased to enlighten you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:58 AM
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I'm not American. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the number of people who identify as 'practicing Christian' in America is going down all the time. You should realise that there is a word outside of your religion. Most people in the world aren't Christian. I'm really sorry to spoil it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:57 AM
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I've found the mods to be very fair, and delete both Red and blue comments as appropriate. They don't delete Red comments unfairly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:55 AM
1

Okay. I lol'd.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:53 AM
1

We're not discussing Christianity here. I don't mean to shock you, but some people aren't Christian.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:50 AM
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'She is broken because she has had sex with x number of men' is not a statement of reality though. 'She has slept with x number of men', that's a statement of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:48 AM
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On a side note, why is a guy automatically a 'white knight' if he says he doesn't care about partner count? What if he actually doesn't care about partner count?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:45 AM
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The Red Pill brigades are out in force today. I wonder if using the downvote button makes them feel empowered in the absence of their having a counter-argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 10:00 AM
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Please read what I wrote above again. I disagree and I'm not interested in getting into another debate on this. You're sounding like an annoying street preacher. These are just your opinions; they're not objective facts, so they won't convince me. All I'll say is that, in my experience, it's only men who have had real trouble finding sex who get really hung up on this. Have a nice day. P.S. the canvass upon which the painter paints with his dick lol. Yes, I'm sure you've had a ton of sex in your…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:55 AM
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Huh. I've found the opposite. I don't know if it's different in the U.S., but here no one wants to be a waiter. No one has that as their life dream. They're usually students doing it part-time or people or people who's ambitions for life maybe haven't worked out - I guess you could argue that the latter involved poor decision making at some stage, but I don't resent them for that. I've (usually) found them to be pleasant enough people. Anyway. Random exchange is random lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:54 AM
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Does that mean I get to 'read between the lines' of TRP field reports then? Because I could tell you what I think of those if you like. I'm taking this at face value because anything else would be conjecture. I don't think it's real in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:46 AM
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Okay. I guess I just assumed you'd chosen your words carefully - because 'perfect' is, after all, the word you used. I won't take you at your word in future then, and I think that will clear that up, oh Master of Mincing your Words.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:43 AM
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I don't disagree that we the message from certain sources is that women are somewhat morally superior. However, I don't think anyone could be 'blindsided' to learn that this isn't the case. I mean, if you've ever interacted with a woman who's not your mother, you're going to realise pretty quickly that the pretty image painted by these messages isn't true - she's pretty much got the same stuff going on as you. I had a chat with my SO about this last night - he's obviously only one guy and I can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:41 AM
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Okay. So people are always telling men not to rape. Is that evidence that men always rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 09:29 AM
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The distinction still lies in active vs passive dread. In any case, if there's something in particular you want in from your partner, I've always found that talking to my SO, and he me, has been the more effective course of action. I gather this works for a lot of people. I don't know how you can blanket dislike a profession to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:19 AM
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Well sure. By those standards, it's not different for men though. As far as AWALT means 'women have the capacity to be awful', I agree with it. I think the same applies to men though, and the idea that 'women are just human' is certainly not a groundbreaking one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:16 AM
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Yeah, well they're not unique in that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:11 AM
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Uhm. Well I'd be assuming he's in it for only a two things (read: sex and the feeling that he can dominate someone). If he honestly did her no harm, then I don't see any inherent danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:11 AM
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Hah. Well I'm sure you'll meet the perfect mate for you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:08 AM
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Sorry to spam, but this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:07 AM
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Well, they can be pretty bitchy in their sub. And hey, I'm saying that as someone who actually agrees with some of what they say. But yeah, they're bitches about it. Based on how some of them behave in there, I probably wouldn't want one as a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:05 AM
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Eh. I think it depends on the age difference. If an older guy specifically goes for 18 year olds, we all know it's probably because he knows she'll be easy to manipulate. And I'd think he was way dodgy for that reason. Unless she's particularly headstrong, an 18 year old girl is a pretty easy target. I don't think it should be against the law or anything though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:04 AM
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I guess..? I don't AWALT. I just don't think RPW are special.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:01 AM
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This... This seems kind of ridiculous. Is it real? I mean, if they're both honestly happy, and he's free to open up his side of the relationship is he wishes, then have at it I guess. But no, this isn't really what feminism is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/15 12:00 AM
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Probably. They're not snowflakes either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:59 PM
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I think 'Cool Girl' is the female counterpart to Nice Guy, is she not? Though she perhaps hasn't reached quite as notorious a status as Nice Guy yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:57 PM
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Hmm. I don't disagree about men sometimes being labelled 'assholes' when they aren't. I think the whole 'dread game' thing is another story though. What TRP calls 'passive dread' - as in the kind that is not done on purpose - is not asshole behavior in my book - it's just having a life, they way everyone should. 'Active' dread that's designed to purposefully elicit a particular response is straying into the territory IMO though. Also being needlessly rude to waiters etc. is squarely in asshole t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:54 PM
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I think this about sums it up. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:32 PM
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What he's saying is basically that it's unfair to demonize the Nice Guys because society conditioned them to fail. I'm not demonising them. I'm saying it's shitty behaviour. I contest that society told them they should be nice for the sole purpose of getting laid. If they do that and it doesn't work, they've really no one to blame but themselves. How come so many other men didn't learn this? Isn't that what TRP is all about? Or are we on the hunt for a scapegoat here?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:30 PM
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I'm sorry you're being downvoted. It's a pain in the ass. I don't know what to say to you. I honestly don't see how these things could be actively unattractive to anyone but an incredibly immature and shallow woman. I do find them attractive, because they speak to a certain humility and integrity of character. I certainly don't find the opposite attractive - if I was on a date with a guy who was needlessly rude to a waiter I'd never want to see him again. Women are attracted to men who prioritiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:25 PM
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It's a stereotype for a reason. And it's precisely the kind of guy I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:20 PM
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Look, I'm fed up with this. Catch yourself up with the rest of the thread please. I already know about the women are wonderful phenomenon. Fortunately people noticed the tendency we're describing Then please, please do give me an example. Who told you women are 'perfect'?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:19 PM
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What do you, a radfem lesbian, know about what straight, hetero women say about their men? Probably more than TRP...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:17 PM
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Women want a man that can rack up a high partner count. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:16 PM
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Keep telling yourself that. I knew plenty of manwhores throughout uni who had nothing going for them. They were useless drains on society, but that didn't seem to get in the way... It takes two willing partners to tango.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:16 PM
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Nope. Not what I'm saying at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:10 PM
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You read something in between the lines that wasn't there. What? If you'd been following the conversation I had before you'd see very clearly why I took your statement the way I did. u/Cyralea said as much. It looks more like you didn't read the thread properly... If women don't want assholes, then assholes wouldn't have success with women. See, this sounds like you're implying that women specifically want assholes. If that's not what you're saying, then feel free to disregard this, but otherwis…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:07 PM
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I'm saying that it's not that hard to get laid. At least, my male friends don't seem to have trouble with that here in the UK. I don't know if it's an American thing or a TRP thing...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:02 PM
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I can find tons of stories saying that women are not perfect, which is what the consequences are of telling people initially that women are perfect Are you serious though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 11:01 PM
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A genuinely attractive man has more leeway to be 'an asshole'. Fair enough. I don't think you're wrong. This is not the same thing as women being attracted to assholes though. Many women will want him even more because he doesn't supplicate them. Not being an asshole does not mean you're supplicating. It's not one or the other. I don't know why TRP maintains that it is. This asshole will get more women than a 'nice' guy. There's a bit of a logical fallacy here. This statement is predicated on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 06:23 PM
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You are straight up demonizing males who choose to exemplify their niceness over other qualities. I'm not, and by the way you sound like a feminist when you say this. My point is only that men who are ONLY being nice because they think it will get them laid (i.e. we can infer they're not really that nice) are not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:46 PM
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What evidence would you need to see about this? Any. TV and stories dont work This debate is literally about the media supposedly telling men women are perfect. Consequences proving the existence of the subject does not work. Then why are you here? You say x exists and it's everywhere; I say it doesn't and ask for examples; now you say there aren't any. Edit Ooooh, salty. Downvotes don't count as evidence you know...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:44 PM
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I really don't know why you find this so hard to believe. I don't date assholes, and none of my friends ahve since we were in highschool. My 'not being an asshole' I don't mean a wuss though - correct me if I'm wrong but I sometimes get the impression TRP sees this issue in black and white. Let's see. Assuming of course that you can know someone is genuinely nice, I'd say the qualifiers would be things like taking a genuine interest in the lives of the people you care about (making others feel '…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:36 PM
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You said you already know how TV and other forms of entertainment do this but yet you dont think it exists. The 'Women are wonderful' trope and their ilk =/= 'women are without flaw and above human impefcetions', as the original commenter claimed he was told. I am disregarding what you came up with because it didn't prove your point. There's no way round it; it just didn't. Seriously, give me a specific example and we'll go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:19 PM
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Look, I don't mean to be rude, but I don't want the 'men and women are different' lecture. I've had it before, and I'm bored of it. Let's just agree to disagree - you think sluts are dirty, I don't. I think your reasoning is hamstering, you don't. Maybe male 'studs' are rare in your circles, but not in mine; and I've also met enough women who are turned off by this very male promiscuity of my peers to know that TRP is not correct about some of these assumptions. I've done my research and I've co…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:15 PM
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I'm not attracted to the stereotypical 'Nice Guy' that we were discussing before. I am attracted to qualities that warrant the description 'nice person'. I am decidedly unattractied to 'assholes' or 'bad boys', because I'm not 13. This is not hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:06 PM
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If women did not try and be perfect and that stereotype backed by society there would be no need to tell them to stop trying to be perfect. I'm sorry, I literally just laughed out loud. Jesus Christ. The hamster is strong in you. So are you saying you can't find any examples - you can only find the supposed 'consequences'? In other words, you Googled the words 'women' and 'perfect' (in the absence I'm sure of the specific examples which you say are so rife) and linked the first things you found?…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 05:02 PM
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Mate. Don't blame your opponent if you're not making your point clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:54 PM
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It's a feminist trope used to make women look better for not actually being attracted to nice guys. Again, I think it's a fallacy to say that women 'aren't attracted to nice guys'. I'm attracticed to nice guys, and I really don't think I'm the only one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:53 PM
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Quote please. Also, I can't believe you have the audacity to infer what I may or may not have seen men say and do - TRP literally runs on these unfounded statements about what women said or did.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:49 PM
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The male basis for it is innate, biological. It's also other women doing half of the slut shaming. Yes, I could posit some reasons for why demonisation of male sexuality happens too. I mean, you were arguing that 'men are shamed for their sexuality' - are you honestly comfortable complaining about that in the same breath as condoning demonisation of female sexuality? Both the male and female movements want the demonisation to be removed dfrom their secuality - your argument sounds a lot like wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:49 PM
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What? Dude, have you read these? These articles are about the prevelence of perfectionism in women. Just to be clear - you understand that saying somen have a tendency towards perfectionism isn't the same as saying women are perfect, right? If anything, perfectionism is a negative trait. Look, if a person makes a claim, the onus is on them to back it up. I've done my research and I came to a different conclusion to the person I was debating with. Why don't you read your own sources first? lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:42 PM
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Maybe you should try to follow. I stated above the kind of guy I was talking about: Nice GuyTM, and all the attributes that go with him. The kind of guy who thinks that he's entitled to a woman's affection just because he's so nice. The kind of guy that talks to women about how nice he is all the time. The kind of guy who is playing up the 'niceness' angle for the purpose of getting laid. The kind of person you're talking about is just a regular decent person who happens to be nice. Now, so that…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:37 PM
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Wow dude. Calm down. It's only Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:27 PM
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lol. Cop out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:27 PM
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The exact subtle, covert thing we saw in the original post. 'Women SHOULD like nice guys'. 'That bitch should want me back - I'm so much nicer than all those other dicks!' etc. Also - where did I say this is how it happened? Quote please.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:26 PM
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Modern society has entire campaigns, including thousands strong public walks, to support women being sluts Yes, because they are shamed for it. That's why they happen. Look, I'm not saying that men aren't demonised for the same thing in certain circles - but they're not alone in that. There is nothing even remotely close to this for a man wanting to learn how to have frequent sex. Yes, because straight, 'safe' male sexuality has up till very recently been much, much more acceptable to society th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:24 PM
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you ever rejected a man because he was "nice" and had nothing else going on, and have him tell you "YOU OWE ME SEX!!!" No, because that's not how it happens and I think you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:21 PM
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So let me get this straight: is the only difference that I said 'women' in the general sense and you said the 'right girl' in the particular sense? Please do re-read those two sentences and tell me where they differ. They don't think it will "earn them browny points". Yes. They want sex/women to be attracted to them as a result of their niceness. You're splitting hairs here. Look, I can bold too. It doesn't help your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:19 PM
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Men are demonized for their sexuality This might be besides the point, but enter slut shaming. Welcome to the club, men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:17 PM
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You honestly haven't heard this kind of thinking before? It's where the whole Nice Guy trope comes from - self-proclaimed 'nice guys' being bitter that women won't sleep with them - the implication being that thse women shoudl sleep with them because they're so 'nice'. I mean, there was literally some of that in the original post. That's why this whole conversation started. OP suggested that women SHOULD be attracted to nice men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:15 PM
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Because it's what they were told. Yes. And to my mind, that makes them somewhat less than nice. I'm not saying you shouldn't try to get laid; but if you can only muster 'niceness' for the sake of getting laid, then it's not being nice. None of this is contrary to my original comment - the kind of 'Nice Guys' we're talking about have a host of other qualities that make them unattractive. So why should women be attracted to these 'Nice Guys', as OP posits? Just because they're 'Nice' doesn't mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:11 PM
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A lack of empathy is what draws men to TRP, incidentally. Hah, because TRP is so empathetic. I thought TRP was all in favour of stating the facts without letting how you feel about something get in the way? Besides, what am I suppose to empathise with? Their supreme naivity? What do you suggest I do in the face of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 04:03 PM
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It's because they were specifically told, trained and instructed that if they were nice, then the "right girl" would fall head over heels in love with them. ...You realise this is exactly what I said, right? They're telling [certain] women they're nice because they think it will earn them browny points. Doesn't mean they're actually nice - and my point is that, in my experience, the kind of people who have to say this costantly are far from nice. I'm not arguing that men aren't told being nice i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:54 PM
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Yes, I know about those tropes. I've discussed them elsewhere in the thread. I also happen to think that society is a lot kinder to women on some issues (with a few excpetions), so I'm under no illusions about that. None of these tropes tell us women are all-out 'perfect' and without flaw though, as OP suggests. None of them preclude the idea that women are also only human. I just don't see where OP supposedly got that messge. If you think that, you've only yourself to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:45 PM
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The reason they bring it up is because of their frustration with expectations and reality Yeah, no. The reason self-proclaimed 'nice guys' tell women how 'nice' they are is because they have grand notions of these women failling head over heels in love with them. If getting laid is what's motivating you to be 'nice', then are you really that nice? That seems like more of an act to me, as opposed to being genuiney nice. We might be misunderstanding each other here. When I talk about 'nice guys', …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:41 PM
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every American sitcom and commercial for say, oh I don't know, the last 30 years? Can you give me specific example of a woman being depicted as 'perfect' though? I'm not being willfully ignorant; I honestly haven't seen what OP is talking about. I know about the 'dumb dad' trope (and for the record I think it's unfair), and I know about the 'women are wonderful' phenomenon (again, unfair), and I also know they're both prevalent in the sitcoms you're talking about. However, the claim of OP is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:30 PM
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I mean. This sounds like feminism with the genders swapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:12 PM
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Apparently so!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:11 PM
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If you'd bothered to read the rest of the comment, you'd see that I wasn't being dishonest. Poor effort mate. Frame lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:05 PM
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I see what you're saying, but I don't think it applies to the quality of being 'nice'. To my mind, part of being 'nice' or a decent person in general is humility, which would kind of preclude boasting about just how 'nice' you are. That's not to say that a good person can never describe themselves as 'nice' without losing credit; but if you have to keep reminding people of the fact or bringing it up (as in the case of 'nice guyTM' under discussion), then yeah, I'd be inclined to think something …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 03:03 PM
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I haven't heard anyone do that, and I didn't back-peddle. Read the fucking comment. You come charging in and call me a liar before you've read the comment. What a fucking joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 02:40 PM
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lol! You're cute. <3 Did you read the rest of the comment or do you just not like losing? Oh, and resort to personal attacks again and you're reported. Don't be a baby about it. P.S. You're totally losing your frame here dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 02:15 PM
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You've really never heard "there's the perfect girl out there for you"? Oh course I have. I've also heard phrases like 'there's the perfect man out there for you'. It's a silly thing we tell each other with regards to finding a 'good match' for our personal tastes, and isn't specific to women. It's not the same thing as saying 'women are perfect' - as in without flaw - which is what OP's claiming he's been told. I mean, I don't know what cactus juice you're drinking, but you'd have to be pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 01:19 PM
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Yes, in many instances women are looked on more kindly than men - I don't deny that and I think it's a gender inequality that is (wrongly) not talked about very much. However, OP is claiming that he's been told women are 'perfect' - as in without flaw - and I have yet to see evidence that society tells people this. It's a subtle but important difference. If you honestly think anyone has the propensity to be 'perfect', then you got problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 01:14 PM
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You only think it's not because you've been brainwashed to think that humans are all priceless unique irreplaceable snowflakes. quite the opposite actually. Humans. My point is that to think otherwise is pretty stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 12:49 PM
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Who in the media tells you that women are 'perfect'?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 12:48 PM
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If divorce is a constant threat in order to command obedience and a certain kind of a behavior, then it's not a "happy marriage" in my mind. A thousand times this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:19 AM
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Wouldn't call myself a 'BP' woman. I honestly don't get the whole aversion to 'short guys'. It's not really something I'd take into account if I even noticed to be honest. I've found guys who were shorter than me attractive in the past. On the other hand, I probably wouldn't date someone who was overweight, unless they were actively looking to change. I little bit of 'puppy fat' can be nice (ala Andy Dwyer in Parks and Rec), but I don't find much more than that attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 10:09 AM
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Women ought to like nice guys Why? In my experience, the kind of guys we talk about as being 'nice' DO have all those other qualities you mention - self-described 'nice guys' are never genuinely 'nice'. If you're a decent person you generally don't feel the need to talk about the fact all the time. On the other hand, women DO like 'good men'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 09:57 AM
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I guess you could call it hamstering, but he doesn't seem all that gutted about it Oh, it's definitely hamstering. He's trying to rationalise her reasons for leaving to something that sounds more palatable to him. He doesn't have to be upset about it, but he is trying to make himself comfortable with it. Imagine a woman posting something similar on 2X. TRP would jump all over that as hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 09:48 AM
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(even though we've all been told they exist) Seriously, who the fuck is telling you this? Who told you that [some] women were 'perfect'? I feel like it's a cop out to blame 'society' for supposedly teaching men this. I have not once seen this in action. If Red Pillers used to think this, they have no one to blame but themselves. Women are not flawless, women are only human. They are just as seedy and conniving as men I mean, like this is a radical idea? If you need TRP to teach you this, then th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/15 09:42 AM
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I don't give a fuck either way. Irrelevant I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 07:49 PM
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I'm not sure I trust, uh, blog posts as creditable sources... Besides, this does not seem to relate to your claim that promiscuous women accumulate baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 07:47 PM
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This could be said of anyone, previously promiscuous or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 07:45 PM
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women don't seem to mind if a man was promiscuous before And neither do a lot of men care if she was promiscuous before baggage and relational problems that promiscuous women do Citation required.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 07:42 PM
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Yup, fair enough. I mean I disagree, but I think you're entitled to think that. I'm glad a shitstorm of denials was averted!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 06:32 PM
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Whatever dude. Stay classy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 06:29 PM
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I haven't read up on 'mattress girl' yet. Has it been confirmed that her claims were fake? Because otherwise it's not really evidence of people knowingly supporting a false accuser 'no matter what'. Oh, you weren't implying they were false rape claims? Fair enough. Well, I've seen men get away with things they did too. What does this have to do with knowingly supporting a false accuser..?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 06:27 PM
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I think the statistics you skipped over shed some light on the issue of people supposedly being so willing to believe women...do you want to address these? there would still be people willing to support the rape narrative despite all evidence Do you have anything to support this claim? I have never seen feminists - even ones I don't agree with - take this line of thinking. This is all utter hypothetical conjecture, and not much to build an argument upon. You personally have seen women - suggesti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 06:14 PM
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Hah, I gotta admit, I was not expecting this corroboration from RP. So, is the thread over now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 05:25 PM
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I think you underestimate both the willingness of people to believe women when they make any kind of false claims and the level of pull that women have over their peers I mean, let's first re-establish the fact that in the scenario given by OP, we KNOW that this is a false accusation. Unless you're trying to argue that knowledge would somehow evaporate... Oh, I don't deny that society at large has a more sympathetic view towards women on many issues. I agree with you on that point. It's a gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 05:15 PM
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Just to clarify, because I'm not sure I entirely take your point re believing victims - do you mean to say that people seem more willing to rally around a 'victim' when they haven't been able to get justice as a result of their account being in doubt in some way? If so, it's a very good point and shouldn't go unnoticed. Again, I think part of this might stem from some sort of over-compensation: there is a perceived injustice in how the law has dealt with victims (real or otherwise) of rape in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 01:49 PM
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I'm not RP, but please do stop the trolling. It doesn't help the discussion. It's annoying when Red Pillers do it. No different for Blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 12:13 PM
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Fair enough I guess. There is definitely a faction within feminism that tend to... Over-compensate when it comes to rape, when really we need a much more even-keeled, critical approach that focuses on establishing the facts rather than establishing guilt. Some victims struggle to speak up and that should maybe be addressed - but not at the expense of innocent men. Not everyone is a victim, and not everyone who comes forward with a rape claim is accusing falsely. We need a better way of filtering…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 12:01 PM
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I'm a terper and I don't say it like that Doesn't matter. ARALT
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 11:49 AM
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I'll need to read that later. My point is that the kind of feminists I associate with - regular, bra-wearing, men-loving women, because we probably have different ideas of what constitutes a feminist - would not support OP's theoretical cause. As far as I'm concerned, that is nothing to do with being a feminist and everything to do with being a damaged, misguided person who doesn't know how to deal with pain. What's happening here is that a bunch of people are saying a bunch of things. I agree w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 10:38 AM
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I neither know nor care what matress girl case is. There was a heavily-upvoted thread on the front page of TRP the other day about subverting feminist thought by way of running fake, trojan-horse style scams. Do those people speak for you? Is that your TRP? Edited. Thanks autocorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 10:21 AM
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Well, I'd say the same about the number of batshit insane Red Pillers. Some people are wankers, what can you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 09:30 AM
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Not my feminism. I know there are a lot of crazies out there, but they don't speak for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 07:01 AM
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No? I'm not against lifting. I do think some RPers sound like they take it too far, and as a chick my honest personal opinion is that 'ripped' guys aren't particularly more attractive than more slender guys. But whatever, if you think it's improving your health, have at it. I might add that I'm also strongly against the fat acceptance movement. Health first. Let's be reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 03:56 PM
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Red Pill troll be trollin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 10:04 AM
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Yes I agree - you definitely shouldn't reproduce. All of your children are like to be retarded. I'm glad you have the foresight to understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 10:00 AM
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I mean, do you seriously think anyone would support her? I'd tell have a very frank discussion with her, and if she didn't see sense I'd tell the police and testify against her. I would be incredibly sad to do it; but it would be the best thing for her too in the end. This is not a good way to deal with pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/15 09:57 AM
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Justice is usually a response to a wrong-doing, is it not? What was the wrong here and who was on the receiving end of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 05:37 PM
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Your wife does that, by the sounds of it. I mean, it takes one to know one and all that, right? You're the one who married her dude. But seriously, this one time one of my guy friends thought that we could drive to Paris from Berlin in two hours!!! Who thinks that?! Men in general must be fucking stupid because of that one time! Lol. men. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 05:07 PM
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Absolutely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 04:37 PM
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I agree that the situations are similar enough. I think a large part of the problem in debates about dread game is that both sides are probably imagining very different things. I understand that just 'getting a life' outside of your SO could be classified as 'dread game', and I don't have a problem with that at all - quite the contrary - because in a way the 'dread' is not simply just a means to an end; or at least the reaction from your SO isn't really the sole observable purpose of the action,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 12:26 PM
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Passive aggression is not limited to 'snide comments' and 'sulking'. Literally speaking, you're displaying passive aggression when you express your resentment or displeasure at someone in a non-verbal way. Dread game is very much passive aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 12:09 PM
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Seconded. 5 years together.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 12:00 PM
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The same way TRP misrepresent women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/15 11:53 AM
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I don't have a problem with what he said, which was totally fair enough. But the long-winded explanation was unnecessary and I too got the impression that its intent was to 'wound' and embarrass. Why not just a polite, adult 'we had a nice date, but I'm just not interested. So long'?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 05:41 PM
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Leftist policy, lol. Is tax dodging leftist now? (No offence meant to Greeks!)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 11:35 AM
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It wasn't an argument. It was calling out your bullshit. then you called out with a pretty bullshit 'you just don't get it' response. It was in reply to this nonsense But you do realise that that is exactly how TRP sounds to everyone else, right? I don't care about what goes on in the IRC or whatever - the bald face of TRP is that women are scum and men are either blameless victims of feminism or 'manginas'. I mean, whatever, you're entitled to your opinions, but it's pretty ridiculous to deny t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:33 AM
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Well, you seem pretty intent on denying that 'Blue Pillers' happiness is real as opposed to 'rationalised misery'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:18 AM
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Thanks for the thought, but I'm not really too worried. I said gender-related tendencies - I don't deny there are differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:15 AM
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Oh, did I say that? Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 10:13 PM
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It's a pretty weak argument to just go 'you don't understand how men talk to each other' - especially since you didn't even bother to elaborate on what in particular you were referring to. It's a cheap, blanket retort to nothing in particular that I said. TRP is does not represent all men - it might be how you talk to each other, but the two men who I know know about it and whom I've discussed it with think it's, well, pretty retarded (and yes, I know two men don't represent all men either). Ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 10:12 PM
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I'm not saying most relationships are 100% awesome - far from it - but DB is definitely not necessarily indicative of most relationships, being as it is a rather tiny corner of the internet; and I think the size of TRP relative to Reddit as a whole, and the vitriol the rest of the Reddit population feels towards TRP, is a pretty good indication that it's not quite as popular as you imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 09:57 PM
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Well, it sounds like you and many other TRPers have been raised in a climate that tells you that women are fault-ridden while men are blameless bastions of goodness, as if a particular flaw can dog 50% of the world population and not touch the other. I guess we are indeed at an impasse. Oh, and once again - downvoting isn't allowed here. I think I pointed this out to you before. Find a better way to express your disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 06:18 PM
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In general I don't think that any flaw can be particularly attributed to a gender at large. There are probably some gender-related tendencies, but they're minor and not enough to attest 'AWALT/AMALT'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 06:06 PM
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People will rationalize their misery as being part of successful relationship. That doesn't mean their misery is a good thing. That's the problem with this: the hamster is strong. Why are RPers allowed to claim they're happy, but non-RPers are not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 06:04 PM
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DB isn't the world at large though. It's a very particular subset of people in unhappy relationships, and I don't think it's a good representation of relationships overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:55 PM
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By that same standard, I could say that men are incapable of empathy because they've never truly gotten what it is to be a woman... In my experience, women are no more prone to these things than men. All of the stuff TR accuses women of aren't flaws in women but flaws in humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:51 PM
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Funny then that there's a lot of crossover in users between r/deadbedrooms and r/thereadpill
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:45 PM
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we're two boats who have decided to sail the same course together Randomly popping in to say I really like that analogy!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:42 PM
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Really? You don't think men have big picture thinking etc.? If that's truly what you believe, fair enough I guess - we'll just have to agree to disagree. Everyone is flawed and no exceptions, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:38 PM
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Looks isnt status Aren't they? I was under the impression that's what TRP/RPW argue is all there is to a woman. E.g. a 9 enjoys a higher status than a 6. Either way, the person you're trading in for is better in some way, which theoretically reflects 'well' on you or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:32 PM
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If those things were true, yeah. Right, but the point is kind of that it isn't true. The same way that things like 'women aren't capable of empathy' aren't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:28 PM
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I agree. This could be said for both Red and Blue though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:26 PM
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to marry UP or to go for the highest possible status man she can find Double posting here - but I really how this is different from what TRP advises at all. You're framing them in different terms, but the same thing is happening in both situations. Trading in for a higher-value option relative to what you could 'afford' before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:21 PM
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If he 'trades up' (as TRP often advises followers to do when a better looking or otherwise preferable option comes along), wouldn't that be hypergamy? Or is it only hypergamy when women do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:18 PM
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What if that guide advised the things about men that the OP suggested? Would you be totally okay with your SO buying into a guide that told her you were like a child and only able to think in the short-term etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:14 PM
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Right - and what if that lady guide also instructed adherents that Men have terrible impulse control and are basically unstable children. They tend to cheat due to emotion, run up debts and get addictions. They are happiest getting managed- they're hunters- very single goal oriented with no big picture thinking. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:10 PM
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Not this "even if she didn't enjoy it it, she still owes it to me" shit you're talking about. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, so do feel free to dismiss this - but I'm pretty sure I've seen TRPers getting worked up about their GFs trying something with an ex, not enjoying it, and deciding not to do it again. Like, very worked up. Granted, though, this may have been coming from some of the more whingier types, and I don't know if it's the 'party line'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 04:49 PM
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Look up stories of fat chicks losing weight...a good number of them dump their supportive boyfriend once they become hot. Can you cite any of these stories that are supposedly so common? I mean, if I looked up stories of fat guys losing weight and dumping their girlfriends there would probably be plenty. So your question is hard to answer because it wouldn't happen in real life Funny, this is exactly how I feel about TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 04:46 PM
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...What was the purpose of this post? Do you just like telling random strangers at length how attractive you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 01:39 PM
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'Should I be worried about my girlfriend's past sexual history?'
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 05:54 PM
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...Did you read my post, or are you just trolling? How on Earth is dread supposed to fix her past behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 05:47 PM
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Yes, but she can't fix what she did in the past. She isn't doing anything wrong now - it's her past that OP is bothered about. Dread can only manipulate future behaviour. Oh, the usual 'you don't understand'. I feel like that's a cop out. I've read and have had it 'explained' to me often enough to understand what it means. What this comes down to is that dread simply doesn't apply here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 05:05 PM
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I don't think we could survive without either. Ultimately though, probably co-operation. We're a social species.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 05:21 PM
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Again though, this question is affected by the difference between personal morals and what people will actually do in any given situation. I'd like to think that I'd try to open negotiations with the other group, or even find some way of sharing the resources that took the 'group' / us vs them out of the situation. If that wasn't a viable option though, in reality I'd probably opt for self-preservation - the way most people would, I imagine. That doesn't mean my morality is driven by self-preser…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 05:12 PM
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I'm sorry I didn't see this before. I'm not sure why you've been downvoted. I'm definitely not religious in the slightest haha. In truth I don't know that my morals 'come' from any particular source. Maybe my upbringing? Maybe I see pain around me and I don't like being the cause of it? I didn't say it explicitly, but I feel like if someone is trying to kill you all morals go out of the window. If someone is trying to kill you or people you care about, you tear that person apart, right? My 'do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 04:30 PM
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Yes it was this one (emphasis mine). Here is a study to help your case. They asked women how many sexual partners they had, and then asked again when they were hooked up to a fake lie detector. The reported average was only a couple partners lower than the 'lie detector' average. Women lie or understimate their count, but not by more than 2 or 3 partners. Men slightly overestimate their count. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt; I'm not saying you're definitely lying. What I am saying is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 04:21 PM
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Do you really think that there are a large number of women who are really OK just being non-serious fuck buddies? Probably, if you looks in the right places, yes. What is the best way to go about meeting my sexual needs without crushing someone else's spirit? Can't you just be upfront but polite with your sexual interests from the get-go? It might sting for them to hear it, but better sooner than later. Tell them you're not looking for anything serious right now, you strictly don't want this to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 04:12 PM
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I'm pretty sure male feminists aren't feminists because they think it will get them sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:57 PM
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If that were the case, pretty much most but a few men would be having sex outside of their marriages/relationships. I know it does happen on both sides, but it's nowhere near that common. Honestly, I think most people take the 'unfulfilled' route where they have a higher sex drive than their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:53 PM
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If it came out easily like that it doesn't sound like she was purposefully trying to hide it from you. If she were, I imagine she'd be carrying the guilt of it around like a burden, and probably wouldn't have been comfortable even talking about the subject in general. She would have been much more conscious and hesitant going into that conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:49 PM
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I disagree, I don't think having a high sex drive is mutually exclusive with overcoming that for the sake of the person you love and want to share your life with. Couldn't the same be said for men, who usually do have the higher sex drives?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:46 PM
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How is 'soft dread' going to solve the issue? OP isn't afraid she's going to leave; I believe the issue is that he's bothered she didn't tell him. Dread will accomplish nothing but resentment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:39 PM
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If you're having doubts about this issue, and you have a strong relationship otherwise (and it sounds like you do), it might be a good idea to just talk to her about them. Getting an open discussion going might help you both come to terms with the issue. Aim to understand why she didn't feel she wanted to tell you. It might help you see her reasoning; or it might make you realise that you don't like that reasoning - that's all you have to decide. I wouldn't assume anything off the bat if she's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:37 PM
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You may well have a point - but why doesn't TRP apply this standard to men too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:25 PM
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there is a good reason to lie about it Not really though. These kinds of polls are usually anonymised. Sure, there's probably the odd person who lies - but what is there to gain or lose from lying on an anonymous poll? My point is that statistics are collected anecdotes. By the same standard you propose, you have a very good reason to lie about your anecdote about your 'slutty' friend, don't you? You want to forward a certain viewpoint. The statistics might not be exact, but they're probably not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:23 PM
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Did you read thew part where this was before they got together? Or is everyone who has ever had sex with another person prior to starting a relationship doomed to a life of helpless adultery?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:16 PM
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No. They're "sluts" only because guys like you are too insecure to be cool with girls having as much sex as they want. This is really what it seems to come down to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:14 PM
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Well, I guess from the context I'm assuming that, despite statistics telling another story, you think all or most women 'ride the CC' or have a lot of sexual partners. Am I wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 03:02 PM
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And what are statistics? Ducks?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:38 PM
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Ditto. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 02:36 PM
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Feel free to visit any forum where married men congregate and you'll see the exact same pattern play out every single time. Please do cite them then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 01:33 PM
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Don't you just love it when all they can do is downvote you instead of backing up their arguments? Someone's got their panties in a twist over this...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 01:25 PM
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I don't think the two are correlated. A family friend of hers was pretty much the opposite of submissive, and that didn't help her. She stayed with him till he died. Edit That was meant to be a family friend of ours, not hers. Oops.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 10:31 AM
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So your anecdote trumps reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 10:12 AM
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I don't know. Probably not dead though. I do know that most of the women over at RPW don't seem to be as helpless as you make out; and they are far from the 'wilting wallflowers' that would probably be more likely to end up in danger. From what I can see, (and I have seen the sub in action), the reality of RPW isn't as bad as your description, which is an extreme worst-case scenario and a bit of a straw-man. It's not even a very popular sub, and to be honest I don't see that changing. It's defin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/15 10:07 AM
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'Whether you believe in Jesus or not doesn't change the fact that he was real and that he's the son of God.' Sure. Convincing argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 06:00 PM
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BPers seem to have the most inconsistent and hypocritical beliefs Well, first, there's not really such a thing as a 'Blue Pill' person, unless you're talking about the world at large who don't subscribe to TRP. TBP doesn't offer any counter philosophy to TRP. Secondly, you realise that the same could could be said for TRPers too, right? TRP is pretty renowned for flaky morals. Actually, not even that - this could be said for anyone. It's very rare that you meet anyone whose morals are obvious an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 12:52 PM
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over time Well then, you start with giving me a list of notable male breakthrough scientists in the last 20 years or so, and we'll go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 12:29 PM
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I like to give women more credit than that. Let me first state that I'm far from Red Pill. I might not agree with their model or want it for myself, but I can also allow them to live their lives and assume that they're doing it because they want to. That's part of feminism for me. I've seen that sub - most of the women there sound like intelligent people who are going about building the lives they want for themselves, the same way you or I do. If it sounded like they were doing this involuntaril…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 12:26 PM
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She's not making a mass assumption about 'most' of a gender - so no, that wouldn't be conjecture? I'm not saying her feelings about the situation would necessarily reflect reality, but what she would be doing would be making a statement about her own feelings on the subject. A better analogy would be a woman saying that the average man today is more lazy, stupid and lecherous than the average woman. That would be conjecture, because there's no way to assert that kind of statement with any certai…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 12:11 PM
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I'm wrong because: automatic? Solid answer. For the, like, the 16 billionth!!! time (/obtuse sarcasm) - not everyone subscribes to your niche beliefs about the world. Don't go around arrogantly assuming the way you see the world applies to everyone. If the girl wants a relationship more than the guy wants it, the guy would arguably rule it and call the shots. Besides, isn't the Red Pill stance that men control commitment, and women sex? In this case, OP presumably a man, is looking for something…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/15 11:34 AM
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My thoughts are that the same thing could be said for men. I've heard my female friends complain about Tinder dates flaking on them. The problem is that it's Tinder, and I'm pretty sure that's the point of Tinder. I don't know how many people use it expecting to find a lasting relationship...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 08:59 PM
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And what will this list supposedly prove? There aren't as many 'notable' examples, I don't deny that. Women have only fairly recently had equal access to the same fields as men - of course there are more male breakthroughs right now. That doesn't mean women aren't capable of making the same achievements over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 08:55 PM
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As far as I understand, TBP isn't trying to posit an alternative? It's not there for that. All they're about is being anti-RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 08:47 PM
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lol! Says the guy running around Reddit telling random people that they have inferior female brains Get a grip dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 08:45 PM
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I did Google it. Dude, you're the one making the claim here - the onus is on you to provide the evidence. Don't get all whingey because you can't find any. What I'm saying is that the article you posted is insufficient to back up your claim. lol @ calling me a bully. Weren't you the one who came charging in telling me I had an inferior female brain of something? Oh and P.S - I don't post on TBP. Yes, please do leave. Watch your fee fees on the way out pet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 08:00 PM
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Have you read this? It doesn't actually confirm very much. The research is limited by its use of only college-aged samples. To date, no evidence exists to inform us as to whether children or more mature adults would also show sex differences in automatic in-group bias. So basically, the researchers themselves declare that their findings are inconclusive and that more work needs to be done. Also, I found the following curious and interesting: Thus, men supported our expectation that if they assoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 07:27 PM
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Post the peer-reviewed studies then, and let's see these ideas backed up outside of your mulch-based brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 06:31 PM
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Mods, what is it with this guy? He doesn't seem to try to contribute anything worthwhile to the discussion... He comes in, drops and an inflammatory statement or an insult, and then runs away when asked to backup his arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 06:29 PM
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Fair enough. I think competition definitely drives advancement, but I don't think it's mutually exclusive with co-operation/stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 06:23 PM
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Do you think it's random that there are no matriarchies that have developed Not at all - but we probably have a different view of the causation and effect. I think the person who posited than the only way a female-run society could exist is if men 'allowed' them to had a point. Men are obviously the stronger sex; I don't deny that. If it came down to it for some reason, men acting together could probably over-power an all-female leadership structure. For the same reason, women have never really …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 06:10 PM
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I don't know if you saw my edit - I don't think they're necessarily as successful as other patriarchal examples. I mean they're successful in the sense that they arranged a stable society.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:51 PM
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Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. None of this is based in fact. I was going to write a proper reply, but then: Get that into your inferior woman brain. I know, what business do us silly little wimin' folk having posting on the internets?? It's an outrage, a scandal!! You might even have AIDS now because you interacted with a yucky female! Jesus fucking Christ dude. Shave your neckbeard, leave your parents' basement, stop thinking having a penis makes you special. I hate to break it you you, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:39 PM
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I am merely sticking to the question - the fact is that Iceland is NOT run by women. I'm not downvoting you. I don't know who is. Don't 'typical female' me. Is that seriously all you have to resort to? Typical virgin neckbeard. See how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:30 PM
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Why the fuck are you here dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:28 PM
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You are truly an intellectual giant. Startling level of input. I can only stand in awe of your genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:27 PM
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The question was what the world would look like if it were run by women. Iceland is not run by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:23 PM
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I wasn't trying to prove anything except that there have been successful matriarchies. Edit: When I say successful, I don't mean necessarily technologically advanced - I just mean that they were able to function and build a stable society. I normally wouldn't quote myself, but since I just had a similar discussion and to save me writing it out again I'm just going to drop this in here. there have been far more patriarchal societies than matriarchal ones - the odds of success favour patriarchal s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 05:20 PM
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RPW is a good way to get women killed. Come on. I consider myself a feminist, but I don't think this is going to make it easier for the people you're trying to convince to take feminism seriously. Heck, I can't take this brand of feminism seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:58 PM
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Fair enough. I'm not sure I could come up different examples. To be fair though, there have been far more patriarchal societies than matriarchal ones - the odds of success favour patriarchal societies here because there have been so few matriarchal societies. The flip side of the coin is that there are far more unsuccessful patriarchies than successful ones. What about all those patriarchal societies that are also grass huts? I'm sure you're aware, but I will point out again that matrilineal =/=…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:51 PM
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Yeah I've read about those trends in intelligence. From what I've read on the subject though, I didn't get the impression that men have 'far' more geniuses and idiots - I thought it was a case of there being a few outliers. Eh, I think there would be enough female geniuses to get somewhere. I see what you're saying though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:42 PM
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It's still not run by women. Men are making those policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:28 PM
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Cut the snark. I'm bored of it. I didn't hold them up as a 'paragon'. You said there had never been such a thing as a successful matriarchy, and I demonstrated that this was not the case. That's a ridiculous argument - there are plenty of patriarchal societies that didn't come up with those things either. Why didn't any of those societies come up with cold fusion? Men have not been proven to be more intelligent than or mentally superior to women, which is why I think that women, all other things…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:27 PM
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Totally off topic, but lol Bristol Palin! I love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:18 PM
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I mean, you'd have a better argument if you posited that the Republicans represented the 'alpha' of the two options, being as they are (on the whole) anti gun control and anti abortion and generally with less of a 'nice guy' air about them. I really don't think the Democrats would be the 'alpha' in this scenario. Aside from that, of course there's going to be a correlation between liberals voting liberal and conservatives voting conservative. A young, religious woman with a conservative backgrou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 04:16 PM
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My bad. But my comment still stands. Neither is Iceland run by women. They have a lot of female representation in politics, yes - but men still make up the majority of the leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:58 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:54 PM
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This is really the only sensible answer here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:53 PM
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Wait, what? Ireland isn't run by women...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:50 PM
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Right. I guess it was the part where you said 'in human history' that threw me. As far as I know these guys are contemporary though...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:47 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo Whatever dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 03:11 PM
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Right. And decidedly not 'run by women'. But hey, I didn't know about the matrilineal thing. That's interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:55 PM
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Women doing the work doesn't a matriarchy make. The parts of Africa you're referring to are run by warlords. They're violent, anarchistic autocracies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:34 PM
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Just so you know, downvoting isn't allowed on this sub. Find a better way to express your disagreement. Just because you've had trouble in the past doesn't mean it's the same for everyone, or even most people. As it is, the average woman today is far more selfish, entitled, and manipulative than the average man There's not really any way to argue this point. This is complete conjecture, and there's no way to prove it either way. This is your opinion, not a fact. I could say I think this about me…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:28 PM
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Probably similar to what a world run by men looks like? I certainly don't think it would be any kind of utopia. Power corrupts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:09 PM
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'Have your own things going in life' / 'become attractive' / 'have some self-confidence' / 'don't put women on a pedestal' are common sense. 'Make your partner believe you are cheating on them to get x' is manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 12:30 PM
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Why are you so shocked?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 12:28 PM
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Its very easy to challenge a woman's loyalty, intellect, morals, and logic. And it's very easy to do the same to a man. If you go out into the world expecting to find only stupidity, anger and disloyalty - unsurprisingly that's probably what you'll fund. It's called confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 12:16 PM
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Just curious - do you include yourself in those assessments of what women are like?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 12:12 PM
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what dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 12:04 PM
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I'd have to get a definition of what a 'BP woman' is before I could answer as one, so I'm simply answering as a non-Red Pill woman. As far as wanting the best for my partner - that's a no-brainer. I think some RPW like to act as though other women who don't subscribe to RP beliefs don't give a shit about their partners' needs, and are all 'me me me', which just isn't the case. I love my SO to death and I want to help him succeed in life. Me being a RPW or adopting that kind of 'attitude' wouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 11:59 AM
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Women are just humans too. They're not pretty little princesses, they're not man-eating monsters. They have faults and they make mistakes. It really doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 11:43 AM
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Where do 'sluts' come from then? Isn't that the problem TRP has with sluts - that they've overcome their 'biological imperative' to limit the number of sexual partners they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 07:19 PM
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lol. I think he/she was being tongue in cheek, and was poking fun at TRS's tirades against 'sluts!!11!'. But hey, interesting to know that you find statements like this displeasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:36 PM
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Birth control is pretty awesome that way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:29 PM
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So you reject statistics. And insert your own reality. And then get angry at the way you think the world is. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:24 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/15 06:07 PM
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I'm still not convinced. Sex is obviously important to men (and women - but I'll admit that most men probably want it more in general), but I don't think it's a motivator for the bulk of men in assessing the question of whether or not to settle down; mainly for the reasons I gave above. When it comes to long-term relationships and settling down, there are going to be a lot of factors that play in for both parties before 'regular access to sex' crops up. On the contrary, I'd argue that in many ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 03:03 PM
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Look, it's not my fault you can't keep track of your arguments. Maybe you should go for quality over quantity. My wife has done that for 14 years. If I discovered she had 3 times as many sexual partners before me that she had previously admitted, then that would not change her "quality woman" status in my eyes. Honestly, that's nice, but you're at complete odds with TRP there. I was never arguing that TRP didn't strive for 'quality' or whatever. Like I've said many times, those qualities overlap…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/15 02:28 PM
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Most women also change their whole lives to get married. It's not a one-way street. Well, we disagree. I think sex is important, but if it were the primary motivation for a guy, why would any 'high value' men who never have trouble finding sex ever get married or settle down? Given that marriage is life changing as you say, surely they'd just continue to play the field - or even resolve to pay for it, which is arguably a much more reliable means to the same 'end' in this case. Yet there's no gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/15 07:52 AM
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I can't tell at this point if you honestly can't follow an argument from reply to reply or if you're just arguing disingenuously. You keep changing the goal posts. No, I'm claiming that many men Yes, but as you know we were specifically talking about a Red Pill man's idea of quality, and whether a Red Pill man would consider her quality. Because you lot convinced them of that, largely Who is 'you lot' and why am I supposedly one of them? And lol, you might want to be careful about talking yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 07:59 PM
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Well yeah, I think it's enough of a factor that a husband might feel a bit bitter if his wife stopped having sex with him. I think the biggest motivation for both sexes is probably companionship. A desire for constancy and stability. Someone to share your life with (and I know that sounds cliche, but think it's true for many).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 01:44 PM
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I think most guys get married or cohabitate in large part to get access to regular sex I mean sure, that is probably part of it, but I think this is an unfair assessment of the biggest reason / large part of the reasoning for 'most guys' to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 12:36 PM
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Because I've never seen it appear on a list. What? Are you claiming that a Red Piller would consider a slut an ideal woman..? so your projecting your prejudices on all other women. lol. Why don't we ask her? I'm ASSUMING, given that things like 'feminist' and 'does housework' were on that list, that OP is not fond of TRP and would not consider a Red Piller an 'ideal' partner. But hey, go ahead; ask her and prove me wrong. My wife doesn't count me being RP as a negative. You're saying this like i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 12:27 PM
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Why are you assuming that you know his girlfriend better than he does? He said she's perceptive; we can only take him at his word.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 11:33 AM
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"the majority of the women you want to pursue are going to be like that, so it's best if you act on the assumption that they are all like that", This is actually quite enlightening. I can understand this more than the way it's usually interpreted (both many on both sides I think) that 'every woman actually IS definitely like this because x'. So thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 11:30 AM
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I feel like you're just continuing to argue because you don't want to let it go at this point. I've been very clear in the points I'm making and you're just ignoring them. You appear to be a making a point that an RP man cannot be a perfect man Not the point I was making. Honest question, because this is getting ridiculous: have you actually been reading my replies? Can you confirm that you read this part we're assuming that you know what you're getting with your ideal mate. It's not as if in gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 11:06 AM
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Yes. We already discussed that. Yes, we did. Can you seriously not see the point I'm making?! I've read those threads on TBP. The "I've found one in the wild" ones. Your ability to detect RP men is poor. Get lost. I don't post there. But I've rarely seen an RP man identified Ah, 'no true Scotsman'. How would you ever know if he was Red Pill or not? Just because he was obvious / doing it badly - he would still have been RP. E.g. being a 'bad Christian' does not mean you are not part of the Church…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 12:15 AM
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Yeah, again.... I thought you were coming off the top level comment. Was replying by inbox. Well, it happens, but honestly that's a little exasperating since this conversation has gone on for a while - I'd have thought you would have wanted to keep track of and develop the points you were making. Do you mind reading down the thread again so that I don't have to re-iterate all of the same arguments I've already made? Then maybe we can get on the same page. It's always essentially a modified versi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/15 12:03 AM
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You insist it would be a disqualifier for an RP man For the same reason that a 'slut' would be disqualified from your list in an 'ideal' partner. What's your point ? That, contrary to your initial assertion, a RP man would not 'qualify' for OP's list just because he happens to possess some of the qualities that she likes. As I've said countless times, I know those qualities intersect. In the same way though, a 'slut' might be hot and submissive and a good homemaker (qualities we may presume woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 11:25 PM
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I'm going to come back to this later but misogyny is literally defined as 'hatred or contempt for women'. Look it up. You're the one operating from an incorrect definition, and arguably doing what you're falsley accusing me of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/15 09:24 PM
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I don't think we do that, at least I don't do that Yeah, sorry, but I've seen you do that precise thing so many times. It's either a variant of 'you don't understand' or 'not all Red Pillers'. You're doing it in a conversation we're having on another thread right now. But I digress. I do appreciate the effort. It's a good idea. I'll try to take a look at these later in the weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 10:46 PM
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I didn't define an RP man. I just defined the traits of a man. Red Pill Alpha Trait No. 2, Red Pill Beta Trait No. 1, Red Pill Alpha Trait No. 5, Feminist, Red Pill Alpha Trait No. 6, Red Pill Beta Trait No. 3, Red Pill Beta Trait No. 4, Red Pill Alpha Trait No. 17, Red Pill Alpha Trait No. 47 Right. But misogyny, hatred of women. Is not required. It's part of the Red Pill canon. Just look at the sidebar. It's absolutely inherent. Yes, you could drop those aspects from your own 'game', but then …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 10:30 PM
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But situationally, it can be useful for some guys (I am sometimes that guy). I mean yeah, fair enough. I can see where you're coming from - it can be useful to belittle others in your mind a little to give you more of a sense of confidence in yourself. Why not look at it differently though? Like not seeing it as a thing about women specifically (i.e. this person is inferior because she is a woman) and more of a general 'I'm better than this person because they're a bit of an idiot'? Women are ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:50 PM
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Why do you assume OP thinks that? The question after all was 'what makes a quality man' not 'what makes you a quality partner'. Poor effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:23 PM
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Was misogynist on either of my lists Yeah. Women are 'incapable to empathy' / 'the most responsible teenager in the house' / 'inferior to men'. Sorry, the misogyny of TRP is not up for debate with me. Maybe you personally don't think those things; but if that's the case I don't know what you're doing at TRP. Misogyny is part of the Red Pill canon, and its philosophy of gender is in large part what differentiates it from other PUA models. (And for the record, I don't think it's 'misogynistic' at …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 08:17 PM
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You're changing the goal posts here. I didn't say that TRP gives advice that makes men unattractive to women. What I'm saying is that it's being Red Pill, and manifesting the beliefs that are associated with it, that knocks those points off; and that would probably mean you wouldn't be attractive to the person you replied to, despite how many 'positive' traits you demonstrate that are Red-Pill approved or otherwise. There's a trade off. Being 'confident' might count in your favour, but being a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 05:50 PM
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You were the one who brought up 'lists', suggesting that the OP liked a lot of Red Pill traits and implying that you somehow met her 'criteria' despite her professed dislike of RP. I'm saying that those traits are not unique to Red Pill, and that yes, they're probably attractive to many women. But there are also many, many things about Red Pill that are decidedly unattractive. So yeah, a RP dude might fancy himself confident and personable and whatnot, but there's a lot more to it than that and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 10:41 PM
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Population surges have a direct effect on demand for resources. Demand for resources has an indirect effect on the climate and the environment. I'm pretty sure that hole in the ozone layer could be pretty disastrous for the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 06:57 PM
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I'm just quaking in my boots here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 06:48 PM
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I guess I mean it more in terms of the environment. Global warming and related phenomenons, poor air quality, decreased biodiversity - these are problems that are exacerbated by huge and growing populations. Too many people putting pressure on resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 06:31 PM
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She said she likes slender guys. Aren't you all supposed to be the super-ripped, massive muscles type? And you know, similar metrics of male attractiveness were around long before TRP. Just because those 'lists' overlap in some places doesn't mean all women like Red Pill guys. There are a lot of things about the way Red Pill guys claim to be that would knock him down into oblivion in my list, and the lists of many others I imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 06:09 PM
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Seemingly 'every experience' except the experience of having kids? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 05:59 PM
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Uh... I'm pretty sure the figure you're looking for is 2.1
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 05:57 PM
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If it were a case of population, what's up with the likes of India and the rest of South East Asia, and why haven't they overtaken the West yet? The direction of a society is determined its institutions, not its population.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 05:45 PM
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The planet is already suffering from problems associated with overpopulation, and it's conceivable that generations not long after us will not have enough resources to go around. In light of those facts as they presently stand, why would it be our 'duty' to contribute unnecessarily to that? If anything it's our duty as humans to limit our birth rate to the population replacement rate or below. There are more than enough of us at present that we are not in danger of dying out - and it's a misconc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 05:40 PM
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The notion of being particularly 'successful' with ladies has been around forever yes. TRP strives for that aim and throws a whole lot of other stuff in there that you could take away and still maintain the same success. Be confident and show your worth? Check, that will probably work, and has proven to do so for a long time. Right there with you Red Pill. Cultivate in yourself a sense of female inferiority? You could probably go without that one and still get the success. So I'm not denying tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:47 AM
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Who said anything about rationing out sex? The point in question was the proposition that women should give men 'as much sex as they wanted' so that men would be 'nice'. They're two difference things. By your own standard, men should be aware of the consequences of their actions. See how that works? (I don't want to get into a tit-for-tat debate here btw, just playing devil's advocate to illustrate a point).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:22 AM
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Shortfalls of my gender? Let me think. Women are human. God damn humans can be assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 07:48 PM
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Fair enough. I assumed from the context you were in agreement with the notion that 'women should just give men what they want'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 07:43 PM
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Thanks for giving your insight. The way I see it personally is that you don't have to be RP to have confidence as a man or within your marriage - but different dynamics work for different people and I respect that. I hope things keep working out for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 07:38 PM
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Exactly. If you want men to act nice, don't lecture them. Instead, let them feel like human beings. Let them feel fulfilled. Give them what they want. Not giving you everything you demand isn't being mean. Uh huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 07:26 PM
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Can I ask in which ways your relationship was/is Red Pill? What were the dynamics like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 06:21 PM
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Aww, sweet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 04:25 PM
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I think you've got a very valid point about TBP in terms of the type of humour there (and I do agree) - but humour aside, doesn't this cultivate an audience with a particular strong opinion on a topic many people feel strongly about, usually sociopolitical. Then you stand in front of them and say things they agree with. also describe TRP exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 04:24 PM
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I mean, neither does his post prove anything, being as it is completely devoid of any documented facts and/or statistics - it's based purely on his assumptions and opinions about what he thinks should make women happy. A counter anecdote is a perfectly acceptable rebuttal in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 09:25 AM
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Just peruse the blogs of these women on the internet. They "have it all": a degree, a high paying job, a 20 year career in some HR or other office job, hell, some of them are even raising kids as single mothers from some Alpha Chad that she fucked back in her 20's... Would you mind posting a link to one of these blogs then? Edit: No? Just figments of your imagination then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 09:14 AM
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