Accepting comments, questions and suggestions

strongalfalfa · 2015-08-04T16:27:03+00:00

Encourage more RPW to post here. They're just so shy.

wuboo · 2015-08-04T16:38:52+00:00

Oh look RPer's all over the place again.

Hard to say. Maybe we could do themed weeks. Say one week, have a master post for everything feminism and the next week have one for everything PUA. Mods choose the topic.

One issue may be the same topics get rehashed over and over again, the people who debate them don't change opinions, bluepillers don't really have a stake in the outcome so they get bored and leave.

aybrah · 2015-08-04T23:08:29+00:00

As someone whos lurked for a while, I dont really see an issue. Both BP and TRP seem to tell people to not post here, BP very specifically says so. So I dont think you can overcome that if all they want is their own echo chamber/safe space.

I dont see a problem in post quality.

drok007 · 2015-08-04T14:39:51+00:00

Approved submitters only posting new and interesting questions that haven't been discussed before or or are based on current events. Some pleb shouldn't be able to come in and fling shit while asking the same question asked a million times. RP and BP both do this.

Maybe put some links in the sidebar to definitive basic discussions that were had about specific topics (e.g. What are BP solutions to RP problems, why RP says AWALT, etc.) , so people can read them and know the consensus.

This would help improve overall quality. I don't know how to make it attractive to BPers, they are offended by generalizations and most of their arguments stem from a moral standpoint which TRP doesn't care about.

ReddishBlack · 2015-08-04T16:07:02+00:00

There needs to be a sidebar that educates people on what good argument is, what common logical fallacies are with common examples, and the expectation that you will try to avoid them. There also needs to be a brief, straw man free, summary of the basic position of each side. Finally, there needs to be an archive of high quality discussions on the sidebar that people can skim through.

LeaneGenova · 2015-08-04T19:48:57+00:00

There are several things I can think of that could be beneficial. I've been in PPD since the very beginning, and was involved in RedPillDebate before that (while it lasted).

First, I think that when posts are removed, it would be beneficial to have a mod response that alerts people why. Kinda like CMV, where they just notify why a comment has been removed. It helps show users that mods are active, and not enforcing the rules willy-nilly.

Second, I think there needs to a limit to the hostility. I mean, just look at this thread: np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3fp5xi/i_am_95_certain_this_sub_will_crash_and_burn/. Are we going to say that much of the "discussion" there is at all a discussion? It's a bit ridiculous.

Reginleifer · 2015-08-04T14:46:45+00:00

I think you guys might be overmoderating?

Like certain economists would point out a higher tax rate doesn't necessarily equal a higher tax revenue.

Perhaps making more rules and guidelines is not conducive to a good debate? Maybe some people want to comment on threads meant for a certain pill? Maybe they want to add some relevant information to a CMV thread, maybe they want to shitpost an AMA, and once they get the shitpost out of their system they're more willing to entertain serious debate?

Maybe I'm biased since I'm red.... the Blue's complaints seem to be downvotes and oddly enough the permissive environment of PPD.

Short of a sticky reminding people not to downvote as said by Guitars, or drastically changing the nature of the sub, I don't imagine that we'll be able to properly address the complaints of TBP sub.

Edit: WAIT, kick the incel guy that will probably raise the collective quality of our posts!

dragoness_leclerq · 2015-08-05T04:50:17+00:00

Nothing, to be honest. After starting a completely civil, non-inflammatory thread and having RPers 1) go through my history and post my pictures and 2) repeatedly insult and personally attack me and go completely unchecked...I'm pretty much done here.

Discourse is not what they're looking for.

Fuschia19 · 2015-08-04T17:39:32+00:00

theres certain people (just one really) that asks the same questions again and again. people should search through the subreddits history to see if the question was already posted. if it was posted a while ago, it could be interesting to post it again. but when the same thing is reposted in a short space of time, its just stupid

RojoEscarlata · 2015-08-04T15:51:40+00:00

Most BP idea of an "argument" is badly presented empirical knowledge, and the most common one is "it's true because I feel like it"

For example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3f1u4k/not_caring_about_others_but_wanting_high_status/ctkq1u8?context=3

No idea how can this be fixed this, maybe discouraging that kind of behavior, but since is the only kind of "argument" BP can make I don't see it working (for the sub)

GuitarsAreGettingOld · 2015-08-04T13:59:07+00:00

how we can make the sub more balanced and attractive to BP

By emphasizing and explaining that you don't show disagreement by downvoting. You only downvote comments that don't contribute anything to the discussion.

Do this by having a sticky with something like this:

"Don't downvote. Vote them to the top and then destroy them in the discussion for everyone to see."

Lite-brite · 2015-08-04T15:31:06+00:00

I think TBP having a baseline or some agreed upon ideas tgey cab stand for would help.

wtknight · 2015-08-04T15:22:08+00:00

I don't perceive a problem in post quality. The post quality is pretty much what I expect from a place that is debating a philosophy like The Red Pill.

It takes a certain type of non-RP person to want to debate a philosophy that they see as fundamentally misogynist, and there aren't many people out there like that. Nevertheless, I think it's important to have an interaction forum where both sides can air their grievances and opinions of each other, without becoming abusive, of course.

Roku2021 · 2015-08-04T17:46:14+00:00

I don't mind seeing the same discussion over and over. You never know when someone new might arrive and offer a different viewpoint.

I think some of the Red's are worried that this place might be too PC. I understand the concern but calling someone a "mangina" or anything like that adds nothing to the discussion.

I think it would help for certain posts to have some sort of template (CMV, questions for BP, RP, all, etc.). I think consistent formatting and presentation can go a long way into making the quality posts look better, ensure the proper content is there, and so on. I see the flair on the these posts but I am talking about the text post itself. Clearly format your position, what it would take to change your position, etc.

wazzup987 · 2015-08-04T21:03:19+00:00

Maybe move to an approved submitter model and keep posters to 33 RP/33 nuetral / 33 BP ratio

MissPearl · 2015-08-04T18:33:07+00:00

I participate very little because when I do, the best response I get is "yes, well, you're a special snow flake". At that point its simply not worth continuing because anything I say is being discounted as a weird outlier.

That and the rudeness (insults, accusations of bad faith). It's neither entertaining nor interesting- and it largely doesn't cater to my main interest, which is to satisfy my curiosity about TRP without harassing them in their own space.

Nazrath2112 · 2015-08-05T06:42:32+00:00

Since the mods are fond of changing flair of posts to something the Mods want, why dont the mods come up with a daily post to discuss things. I mean if we really want a debate then usually its the host that asks the questions and mediates, so why dont the mods just fill that role?

winndixie · 2015-08-05T20:13:58+00:00

Are the balls of your betabux really blue? I feel bad for him. Can you at least relay my condolences next time you feed him at his cage?

Nazrath2112 · 2015-08-04T14:31:50+00:00

I am not sure you can make this more appealing with BP's with out letting them mock RP's in this forum. If you really want to improve the content of this subreddit then you need to find people who do not think that the proper reply to RP's is to mock them. That is really the root of the cause isnt it? You want a normal intellent debate but you invite one side that is composed of satirists. I dont know if we can really have debate with those kind of people.

CisWhiteMaelstrom · 2015-08-04T15:24:10+00:00

This sub's so gonna go to overmoderation femradebates style shitsville and chase out all the reds. It's not even like you can just ban the reds and replace them later since you'll be banning the ECs and this sub's gonna lose legitimacy. There are plenty of bloops here, they just wear purple and grey flair to hide their numbers. /r/TheBluePill style bloops aren't productive to discussion since all they do is strawman. I've literally NEVER seen an accurate account of red pill theory coming from one of them. Not once. Anyone who has can drop me a link but I've literally NEVER seen it. Chasing out the reds to make room for strawmen is just not gonna improve the sub or diversity.

pakleader · 2015-08-04T21:08:52+00:00

Both mainstream TRP and BP have made posts about not bothering with PPD. The TRP and BPers who come here are willing to have their views challenged... Perhaps somehow encouraging BPs to directly refute TRP points would lead to more BPs. I think the mood in TBP is that TRP is wrong, and there's no need to discuss it because it's wrong just because.

So not sure how exactly, but changing that mindset will = more BPs. Maybe the BPs here will have to do that themselves.

CaptNextabro · 2015-08-04T23:34:04+00:00

Put a daily max on how many questions a user can post in a day. Sometimes the whole sub gets spammed up by one user and they are usually beating the same drum in every question.

Title	Accepting comments, questions and suggestions
Author	cuittler
Upvotes	5
Comments	119
Date	August 4, 2015 1:54 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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